Mark Collett: Hello everybody and welcome to tonight’s stream. We’re live on Odysee, Rumble, DLive and Entropy. And I’ve got a wonderful panel for you here tonight to discuss the big issue of, well, the last week or so, and it’s obviously Trump’s war for Israel or Trump’s war on Iran for Israel, to be more precise.

 

Now, the guys I’ve got with me I’ll be introducing shortly. It’s of course Natty and Yuro from the Nationalist A-Team. We’re going to cover some of the things we covered last Sunday quickly. And then we’re going to go deeper into things. Everyone’s going to get roughly an equal time to talk. I’m not going to be putting people on an egg timer, but we’ve probably got nine or ten topics and if everyone puts sort of three, four minutes into each topic, it’ll be about a 90 minute presentation. So stick around. It’s going to be pretty entertaining or at least pretty enlightening.

 

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Now, the first is of course Natty. You know him from the Nationalist A-Team and also from numerous other streams that he’s done with me in the past. Natty’s a guy that’s been around since the beginning of PA. He’s been to all the meetings, at conferences, camps, etc, and he’s always someone that everyone likes hearing from.

 

In fact, I always say that if I had a wingman on PWR, it would be this guy here. Natty, how are you doing, my friend? I hope you are well.

 

Natty: Yeah, I’m good. I’m enjoying watching Tel Aviv burn. I’m sure we’re gonna talk about the ins and outs of what that means, but yeah, I’m good apart from that it’s been a bit of a crazy week trying to keep up with everything and I think my wife has suffered constantly looking across at me and seeing my face buried in my phone because I’m trying to, I’m monitoring the situation. But yeah, it’s very interesting times.

 

Mark Collett: Do you ever get it where you’re out on the sort of a supposed family event and the wife’s like:

 

“Why aren’t you paying any attention? All you’re doing is sitting on the phone. What can be so important that you need to be on your phone at this family event?”

 

And you’re like:

 

“Look, you know, Israel is on fire. Tel Aviv is being hit with hypersonic missiles. Chill out!”

 

Natty: It’s like:

 

“Honey, there’s cluster munitions going off above a suburb in Tel Aviv. This is really important. [chuckling] I’m watching it right now! It’s amazing!”

 

Mark Collett: Well, yeah, [chuckling] that’s kind of that’s kind of the str. I’d say that that’s the struggle that we have.!

 

Anyway, we’ve also got Yuro with us tonight. He’s obviously famous because Yuro used to do The Absolute State of Britain podcast.

 

And again, he’s a very able wing man. He has been on the National A-Team standing in for Sam. He always has good takes, he’s a funny guy and sometimes I bully him a bit, which is a little unfair, but that’s because I love him and see him as like my little brother, My little brother who needs the odd sort of monkey scrub and jab in the ribs, but he’s like my little brother, so I still love him.

 

Anyway, Yuro, how are you doing, my friend?

 

Yuro: I’m good. I’ve also been keenly paying attention watching Middle East Spectator and other such channels on Telegram. You know, it’s, I think there’s a lot more censorship obviously during the 12 Day War that was going on between Iran and Israel before. It was very much like:

 

“Well, what can we believe? How much are they not showing you?”

 

And it’s just that more. So we see all of Iran’s failures and then some things that’s like disinfo and we see all of Israel’s successes and then some, and some of that’s disinfo. And it’s kind of hard to even know what’s real.

 

[04:47]

 

Natty: That’s a good point actually because just briefly, it does seem like the information blackout from Israel was way more intense during the 12 Day War. And it seems like now because of the scope and the breadth of everything, just more is getting through or you’re able to find out more. And I’m sure this isn’t true, if you check the BBC or just some other like ZOG regime outlet, you’re not going to be seeing anything hitting Israel. But that’s what everyone’s interested in. That’s what everyone wants to see. [chuckling] You know, how many hypersonics hit Tel Aviv? This time, you know what US asset has just been blown up by a drone in Saudi Arabia or Bahrain or wherever it is. That’s what people are interested in seeing. They want to see the underdog smacking the bully in the mouth. And that’s what happens when a cheap Shahed drone gets through a multi-million dollar interceptor screen and like blows up a THAAD [Terminal High Altitude Area Defense] radar system or something. That’s what everyone’s into, right? Everyone wants to see that. No one wants to see like Iranian suburbs being like caught on fire and hit with JDAMs and hit with Tomahawk missiles because that’s just brutal civilian casualties, which is what ZOG [Zionist Occupied Government] is good at.

 

Yuro: Well, the funny thing is to see America in this war using the copy of the Iranian kamikaze drones. They’ve got their own basically one to one copy of the Shahed drone that they’ve now rolled out and they’re starting to fire back at the Iranians. Because it was just like the near perfect design that they’re like:

 

“We can’t make any better than this. We’re just going to copy it.”

 

Natty: Yeah. You know, for the grand and mighty American empire is reverse engineering Third World brownoid country drones [chuckling] that sound like lawnmowers when they’re flying through the sky!

 

But yeah, that’s what America’s up to these days. I mean, you can’t really claim it’s the European heritage stock that’s like the most genius country in the world. It’s just not that anymore, I’m afraid, guys.

 

Mark Collett: Well, I agree. But we’ve got a lot to talk about. So and we do actually have just. We do have a little sort of running order as well, tonight. I’m not going to read it out, but I was going to post it actually and say:

 

“Look, these are all the things we’ll be discussing.”

 

But there’s a lot to discuss and we’re going to go through things from the start. Now we’re going to speed run some of the bits we talked about on the Nationalist A-Team because for anyone who watched the Nationalist A-Team and enjoys it, look, it is a banger of a stream, except for when I get killed by somebody and get upset.

 

But other than that! It is a good stream. And if you want to watch it, there’s some takes there. And also there’s the Patriarch there as well who provides quite a lot of good comedy.

 

Anyway, so we’re going to start with the wider justification for this because there’s nowhere better to start than the official justification. Now, I’ve seen these videos where Netanyahu, they’re sort of like compilation videos of every time Netanyahu is claimed that Iran is sort of five months, five weeks, you know, two years from getting the atomic bomb. And he’s been doing this, believe it or not, for over 30 years!

 

So the first example I’ve seen of Netanyahu saying that Iran is just moments away from like nuclear weapon capability was actually all the way back in 1995. And the reason that’s interesting, …

 

Yuro: There are people dying in this war on the American side who have not been alive longer than Iran was supposedly two weeks away from a nuclear weapon!

 

Mark Collett: That’s a very good point. That is Yuro. But you get minus points for butting in. You’ve been told about that.

 

Natty: Oh, no [word unclear] battalion!

 

Mark Collett: Wiffle bat to give you a spanking. Right. So these fake nuclear claims that are interesting for two reasons.

 

Firstly, because they are blatantly fake! It’s been, to my knowledge, 31 years. And Yuro does make, … Look to Yuro’s credit, he makes a very good point. You know, the idea that this has been going on longer than some of the people on these American battleships have been alive is incredible!

 

But one thing that struck me immediately with this was I remember living through the time of the Iraq war. And at the time of the Iraq war, Weapons of Mass Destruction became one of the most maligned phrases to have ever been used in British Parliament, to the point that where if you now say “Weapons of Mass Destruction”, it’s sort of synonymous with war crimes, lies and a regime that took us into what was essentially an illegal war. You know, there was no Weapons of Mass Destruction.

 

But one thing that shocks me is this is the kind of thing where people just seem to have either forgotten this or put it to one side.

 

So the Daily Mail is a classic example of this. The Daily Mail is sort of the populist Right-wing, you know, vote Reform, consider voting Conservative newspaper. And they were all against Blair and the Weapons of Mass Destruction and exposing his lies and speaking out about it once it was exposed via the Chilcot inquiry.

 

But now the Daily Mail, like:

 

“We need this war. You know, usually we’re against war, but in this instance, this needs to happen!”

 

And you’ve got all these shill commenters in the sections underneath the Daily Mail articles in the comment sections, and they’re all saying things like:

 

“Oh, I’m against the war, but this is an exception.”

 

And I don’t know whether these are real people, idiot Boomer types or that’s not all Boomers. But you know, the sort. I mean the kind of person that says:

 

“Oh, well, I’m against the people on the small boats, but I would let the genuine refugees in all. Yes! And if somebody comes here and learns to speak English, well, he’s as British as Yorkshire pudding, isn’t he!”

 

Those sort. Is it one of them or is it a shill account?

 

[11:04]

 

But I think it’s really interesting that exactly the same justification for the attack is being used, as was used in Iraq. But the Iraq, War retrospectively is possibly the most maligned conflict and the conflict seen as the most unjust conflict. Probably post World War II. I’d have said that would have gone to Vietnam at one point, but Iraq seems to have, maybe because it’s more recent, seems to have eclipsed that.

 

So what do you guys think?

 

We’ll start with you, Natty. Obviously this is what they’re saying and we’re going to discuss next the real reason and what we think the real reason is. But what do you think to this sort of fake reasoning for going to war?

 

Natty: Well, just listening to you there, I haven’t done this because I was just reminded by what you said. But I’m fairly certain if you went back to the 2000s and had a look at the lead up to the Iraq war, you, amongst the Daily Mail articles, you wouldn’t find opposition to the actual war itself, because none of these publications were really opposed to it in any meaningful way and certainly weren’t like trying to rally people against the war. So you know, post Iraq war when everyone was kind of saying what disaster it was, I’m sure the Daily Mail were jumping on board that.

 

But as even now publications that you would think would be against the war in Iran are kind of talking around the edge of it whilst not decrying the war and certainly not being like anti-war, like proper anti-war publications and laying out all the connections between the Epstein regime and the people connecting in it like Mandelson and like Boris Johnson and Tony Blair and all the rest of it.

 

But yeah, it’s striking. I mean, one of the things I put in the chat earlier was that before this happened. Well, okay, let’s let me take it back a little bit. Before Iraq, the reason why the term “Weapons of Mass Destruction” became such a big thing is because the media and the government, Blair’s regime spent so much time and energy trying to get public approval for it, because they felt like, they obviously felt like they needed it. They needed a justification. They needed something to sell to the British people as to why it was a good idea, why it was necessary to go into Iraq.

 

Now that just hasn’t happened this time. Because I think they understand that the forces controlling the “Epstein Empire” as people are calling it, which is fairly apt, simply are not in the shadows anymore. You know, this stuff has been laid out. Israel is pulling the strings and it’s pulling the strings of America and it’s America’s pulling the strings of Europe because essentially Europe is just a colony of the United States. So they don’t feel they need to justify it so much.

 

Now, obviously there’s like regime mouthpieces and stoolies like Tommy Robinson and Douglas Murray, the Daily Mail and all the rest of it, who are now going out there and running cover and trying to make this war popular or make it so that it seems like:

 

“Well, it’s not a job any of us want to do, but it’s necessary and we need to do this for stability and peace!”

 

But I just don’t think the public are buying it. And the public for the most part didn’t buy it with Iraq, but that doesn’t stop that happening. And they’re not buying it with Iran either.

 

But there hasn’t been a groundswell of opposition to it in the same way as Iraq because they haven’t spent so long trying to justify it. And for a lot of people this just came out the blue. Not for anyone who’s kind of a properly dissident to the kind of Epstein Empire. This didn’t come out of the blue. This was fairly predictable. But probably just for your average person sitting at home and getting on with life, this kind of immediate blow up in the Middle East, where oil prices are about to skyrocket, petrol prices creeping up and we’re probably about to experience an energy crisis, just came out straight out of the blue! And the justifications, unlike Iraq, are all post hoc. They, it wasn’t a media build up to a war, it’s like a media cover plot after the war has started.

 

Yuro: What I find interesting as well is as you say, with the Iraq thing, there was a lot of build up and there was:

 

“Let’s get the UN involved, let’s condemn them, let’s build a coalition, let’s get Britain involved.”

 

But the other thing is they never said Iraq has a nuke. It was always this nebulous “Weapons of Mass Destruction”. And it’s kind of like the, well, we’re going to say that they have Weapons of Mass Destruction and that’s like we will say:

 

“Oh, actually they have chemical weapons which we’re going to classify as Weapons of Mass Destruction. And we’re going to hope that we can gin that up in people’s minds to be like, ‘Oh, they have a nuclear weapon’.”

 

And it was like:

 

“We won’t explicitly state they have a nuclear weapon. We’ll just try and make people think they have a nuclear weapon.”

 

And then there was the thing about:

 

“They can strike us in 45 minutes with their Weapons of Mass Destruction!”

 

But now they just come out and say:

 

“They’re building a nuke!”

 

It’s not Weapons of Mass Destruction. And as you say, that’s because the term is just completely lost all validity. You know, people at the moment, they hear that, they just know it’s Iraq, War 2. But they’re not even like trying to do that lesser thing.

 

It’s kind of like what they do with racism, where you’ve got like the small definition and the big definition. The Weapons of Mass Destruction is like what they do with racism.

 

So if you’re a “racist”, it’s like you just think that different people are different and you care about your own people. Well, that’s a racist. But the moment you get labelled a racist, it’s like you’re a “supremacist who wants to murder everyone who’s not you”. Well, the Weapons of Mass Destruction is chemical weapons could be a weapon of mass destruction, but the moment you get labelled with that, all of a sudden:

 

“You’ve got nukes, you’re dangerous!”

 

[17:31]

 

Natty: Yeah. And the 45 minute claim was like, they can hit the tip of Cyprus. If they drive a Scud launcher right to the edge of the Iraqi border and fire it, they might just be able to hit Cyprus! And that was translated into British headlines as “British territory”. Yeah:

 

“They can hit us in 45 minutes! Oh my God, the sky’s falling!”

 

And the reality was, it was Scud missiles and some Sarin gas artillery shells which have a range of about 10 or 15 kilometers, which they used in Halabja [1988 against Kurds] apparently. I mean, we saw, I, we got trained on that in the CBRA regiment of what happened in Halabja with the Sarin gas shells. But that was passed into, like you said, Weapons of Mass Destruction. Very nebulous. Well, not easy to disseminate term, but very little detail and very little meaning. And you could say to people:

 

“Well, they’ve got Scud launches on trucks which can fly however many kilometers it is, and they’ve got some Sarin gas shells.”

 

But these, in terms of where the United Kingdom is and the rest of Europe, these are absolutely meaningless! And again, it was just to justify the Greater Israel Project and take out one of Israel’s enemies and destroy one of Israel’s enemies.

 

Yuro: Well, I was having to think about this before we started this stream. And I said to myself, you know:

 

“There is one state, there is a rogue state in the Middle East that has Weapons of Mass Destruction.”

 

And by that I mean a boatload of actual nuclear weapons. And they have the capability of targeting Britain, …

 

Natty: And if rumours are to be believed, then the Samson Option is a real thing and Israel is the lunatic state that has no compunction about using these things. Now, I don’t know if that’s a real thing or whether that’s just something that gets disseminated to scare everyone.

 

But you’ve got to remember the only people who have used nukes as an actual weapon of war against living targets is the Epstein Regime in the Second World War. And I don’t separate the people who are running America now from those people. I mean, it’s the same group of people.

 

Yuro: If you look at the way that they behave on the world stage, the way that they behave against the Palestinians, the way that they behave against the Iranians, it wouldn’t be out of character for them to just lash out at everyone else for “not defending them hard enough”. But according to the publicly available information, they have intercontinental ballistic missiles with a range of 11 and a half thousand kilometers, which basically means they can hit everywhere on the planet with the exception of kind of east Australia, New Zealand and some bits of South America.

 

Natty: So those parts of South America where all the Nazis fled to, so unfortunately they [chuckling] can’t touch them!

 

Yuro: The parts where Javier Milei, who’s converted to Judaism, is currently in charge.

 

Natty: Oh no!

 

Yuro: And they might also not be able to quite hit Mexico where (((Claudia Sheinbaum))) is in charge.

 

Mark Collett: Oh, dear! Well, talking about the control that jews wield, let’s talk about what we think is the real reason for this.

 

Now, I’m going to go straight out and say it. I believe the real reason for this is the Greater Israel Project. I think the Greater Israel Project is something that has gathered pace in the last few years, especially under Trump. We’ve seen the attacks on Gaza, we’ve seen the attacks on Lebanon. We’ve seen the fall of the Syrian regime, which was obviously heavily influenced by Israel, who were helping Islamic terrorists in the region. You know, the head chopper ones that we’re told are the great threat to peace and justice and decency, yet Israel is actually supporting those people!

 

And we’ve also seen Israel be involved in the fall of other regimes. Israel were famously involved. And this came out in the Chilcot Inquiry. I actually did a video on this. Israel were very famously involved with meeting, … And Tony Blair admitted this under oath in the Chilcot Inquiry. He met influential jewish leaders from the then current Israeli regime. And he said:

 

“The meetings had nothing to do with military intelligence. They had everything to do with overall strategy and long term goals.”

 

So take that as you will. But I’m taking that as they were heavily involved in getting rid of Saddam Hussein.

 

[22:24]

 

And I think it’s obviously within Israel’s interest to topple almost every sovereign regime in the region. And they do this quite openly. They are doing it more openly now. They’re getting away with it, sadly. And this is a blatant example of that. Although they’ve loosely talked about the nuke thing, like we said, Natty did make an important point that they felt it’s less necessary to sell this like they sold the Iraq, War. And in some interviews, members of the American regime have simply said:

 

“Yeah, we just want to kill these people. We want to kill them, we want to take them out. This is about regime change. This is about Israel.”

 

And I believe it was Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, who said:

 

“It was Israel who forced our hand. They began this and we are there to defend them and assist them. So when they began the attacks, we were forced into going along with it.”

 

Now, Trump then furiously denied this, but it’s a very interesting admission from Marco Rubio.

 

So I think this is all about the Greater Israel Project. And I believe that has been the driving force or the driving ideology behind the destabilisation of the Middle East.

 

Natty: Yeah, totally! And it kind of behooves me to say this and to get people to realise that whereas we’re living kind of day to day and prices of things go up and you’re worried about your children. We’ve been totally separated from any idea of our history and our lineage and where we’ve come from and where we might be going.

 

So it’s kind of hard to understand for us the jewish mindset. And this is a plan that’s been in the making for a very long time, years, decades, where once Israel was created and they have a vision of the Greater Israel Project. There’s a whole, there’s a list of countries. Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Egypt. And through various machinations, they’ve all been, one by one, they’ve been taken out or pacified. Egypt is basically paid off by the United States and is under the sway of Israel, has a border with Israel, but it doesn’t do anything about their genociding of the Palestinians and the destabilising and eventual collapse of the Syrian state. What happened in Libya with Gaddafi ending up with a bayonet up his bum, dragged out into the street, and the subsequent flooding of Europe with migrants, which is a kind of side issue we can get onto if you want. But all of this, …

 

Mark Collett: I’ve got that further down the line, mate, that comes at the end, if you look at the show notes, I’ve actually said:

 

“You know, what are the actual repercussions for this, both for the West and for the Middle East?”

 

And that’s one of the things we will talk about.

 

Natty: Yeah, for sure. And it’s clear now, I mean, in my opinion and the opinion of other people who have been following this, that the reason Trump was so heavily pushed into a second term was that the people who are running him and the jews in Israel believe that he was the best chance of getting this done. You know, this final push to topple Iran, which basically gets rid of the last bastion of resistance to Israel. And you’ve got to think:

 

“Well, why is Israel so hell bent on getting rid of people who resist them?”

 

You think, well, the people who are opposing them, the only real people who are opposing them, committing genocide in Gaza, Europe was on board with it. The United States was supplying them with bombs and had carrier groups in the Mediterranean. The United Kingdom, our own government, was flying surveillance flights over Gaza and letting Cyprus be used as a refueling and an air base for Israel. So Europe was aiding in the genocide in Gaza.

 

And it was only Hezbollah and you know, funded via Iran that was really attacking, and the Houthi rebels in Yemen, who were attacking Israel and trying to hold them account for genociding the Gazan people. And that’s unacceptable for Israel to have that resistance in the region, even though the attacks on it are totally justified and being used as like, defense against people who are being hurt and destroyed in this like, brutal way by this lunatic, lunatic group of people who have been squatting on the edge of a Mediterranean.

 

So the justifications the real justification is the toppling of Iran as a coherent state. And I’ll touch on this before I pass this over to Yuro. But there’s talk of regime change. You know, that’s what they say:

 

“We’re trying to enact regime change here.”

 

But that isn’t quite true. They’re not really interested in a regime swap where they swap one regime for another. What they’re interested in is total destabilisation! Just like with Syria, just like with Iraq, just like with Libya, where these are just failed states with tribal warlords with like Mossad and CIA run groups running around HTS, ISIS, all of these people. Which means no coherent defense, no missile bases, no civil defense, nothing! Just a load of groups that you can pay this group to fight this group and you know, you can pay these guys or stop paying these guys and just let chaos reign while Israel just expands and expands and expands and gets to do what it wants.

 

You know, kind of reminiscent, I’ll just finish on this. Kind of reminiscent to how if you import millions and millions of foreign people into a small island nation, it also becomes destabilised and coherent resistance or coherent defense or coherent politics kind of become very difficult and a very well motivated minority can rule the lot! So there’s your answer as to the real reasons for this war.

 

[28:45]

 

 

Yuro: A few things I wanted to pick up on there. Just as Mark was speaking, you kept using the term “regime”. And that’s like one of those MKUltra trigger words that they’ve put in people’s minds that like “regime is bad, regime is authoritarian, evil government”. It was all it was always the “Saddam regime” and the “Iran regime”. They’re just governments. They’re a different form of government. You know some of them are more or less Democratic than others, but it’s like this regime thing is a trigger word. And along that same lines, Natty, you mentioned the Houthis as “rebels”. I think the ones that we call Houthis are pretty much just the government of Yemen now. I mean, and they have pockets of what’s left of the people that they overthrew. But they’re basically just the government of Yemen. They’re not rebels anymore. They’re not a regime, they’re just that government.

 

But obviously this was all part of a plan. This is something that they’ve been going at for a very long time. They had the Project for a New American Century [PNAC] where they said we want to hit like seven countries in 10 years. And they’ve basically got all of them.

 

I mean, they wanted to get Iraq, they wanted to get Syria, they wanted to get Libya, and of course it’s neocon jews behind it all.

 

So that’s been happening for a very long time. There’s a reason why they caught a bunch of jewish Israelis dancing on 911*, already filming before the first plane went into those towers. They were dancing around, they were happy because they knew that was the excuse that they needed to start their own genocidal campaign. And it’s like dominoes falling. They get this one, then they get that one. And I mean, what happens to Libya? He, Gaddafi, gave up his weapons, chemical weapons and things like that.

 

[* 9/11: A false flag carried out by ZOG with Israel being the lead behind its planning and execution. The aim was to unleash the War OF Terror on the countries around Israel, among other aims. See See Also links below, especially the work by Christopher Bollyn.]

 

And as soon as they were gone, they were like:

 

“Right, well he’s defenseless, we can go in there and kill him now!”

 

So that’s what they proceeded to do.

 

And the other thing as well, like looking at what they’re doing to Iran, I mean, you talked about them wanting to destabilise them. As far as I understand, because they can’t really hit these military targets. They don’t know exactly where all the underground bases are and where they’re being launched from. So they’re targeting, I mean, apart from like primary schools for girls and things like that, which they do just because they’re evil and want to blow up kids when they’re not abusing kids in other ways, they’re just like targeting police stations and things like that. Just like blow up all the police stations in the country and hope it destabilises that way!

 

And of course they had this gayop a few weeks ago, maybe a month ago now, where they tried to incite some sort of terrorist uprising in Iran and that failed.

 

And obviously they wanted to coincide these two things at the same time.

 

Natty: But I was going to say that was obviously hilariously mistimed. [chuckling] Right? So they fermented this terrorist uprising and meanwhile they haven’t got all like the military assets in place to strike it. I mean, you might have a better idea of this than me, you guys, but maybe they thought in the January uprisings that they like funded all these terrorist groups to try and overthrow the government of Iran. Maybe they thought that it was still going to be going on now while they moved all these carrier groups and pulled their troops out of the Gulf oil state bases. Maybe they thought it was still going to be going on and that the Iran government was still going to be fighting these guys, but it was crushed within like a few days. Right!

 

Yuro: I have a feeling that maybe they were trying to like wait a little bit longer, but it was about to be compromised and they thought:

 

“If we don’t do it now, we miss the opportunity entirely.”

 

So they had to launch it. And they spent so long getting carriers into place to attack Iran because they’ve had these problems with the sewage system on the Gerald Ford, which obviously some people are saying that’s like a deliberate thing, that soldiers or sailors have clogged the tubes on purpose to destroy the system because they don’t want to go and die and be the next false flag. But they’ve had problems with that before. So it’s not entirely out of the realms of possibility that it is sort of coincidental to some degree.

 

But yeah, obviously that was something that delayed them. So I mean we can be glad about that because it’s meant that Iran’s not facing these two things at the same time.

 

Natty: I’m not sure. Look, I’m not a, like a military analyst or anything, but I’m not sure even if the like Epstein empire, the Epstein regime, had fermented this terrorist uprising whilst they carried out this first strike against Khomeini in a little girl’s school for some reason, whether if those two things occurred, coincided, even then, whether they’d have been able to pull off this kind of toppling of the regime. It seems like, …

 

Yuro: Regime?

 

Natty: Look, [chuckling] it’s the word everyone uses here! I can try, but I’m as susceptible to the MKUltra* terms as everyone else. Right? I’m just not sure it would have worked even if they had pulled it off at the same time.

 

[* MKUltra was a covert program run by the CIA from 1953 to 1973. Its primary goal was to explore methods of mind control and behavior modification through various means, including drugs and psychological techniques. MKUltra is widely condemned for its unethical practices, including: Lack of Consent: Many subjects were unaware they were part of experiments. Abusive Techniques: Included torture, isolation, and drugging without consent. The term MKUltra is a CIA cryptonym: “MK” is an arbitrary prefix standing for the Office of Technical Service and “Ultra” is an arbitrary word out of a dictionary used to name this project.]

 

Mark Collett: Well, look, we’re going to go on to that anyway, so let’s move a little bit further forward because there are other things we want to talk about.

 

Now, I think the next thing we need to talk about, we’ve placed this into context, talk about the Greater Israel Project. Now I think the next thing that’s very important is discussing the issue of these fake negotiations that America has had with the likes of Iran before all of this kicked off.

 

And they obviously had similar sort of fake negotiations with, I think it was Venezuela, didn’t they? And then they go in anyway. This is something that America started doing, you know, fake negotiations, but then we come and get you anyway.

 

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Yuro: I think they had a similar thing with the, like Hezbollah and Hamas, didn’t they?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, there’s multiple examples.

 

But what I’m getting at is a real, and we won’t labour this because we spoke about this extensively on the Nationalist A-Team the other night, but when we were talking about that, we did make the point that fundamentally at one point the idea of going in somewhere you know, negotiating, but then using negotiations as a reason or as an excuse to then hit another country. So the negotiations aren’t real negotiations. They’re cover that gets the other side to drop their guard. So, it’s like walking up somebody in a bar saying:

 

“Look, mate, let’s just settle this amicably. Let me buy you a drink. What do you want?”

 

And when the other guy turns to have a look at the list of craft beers, you sucker punch him! You know, that’s an underhanded thing to do. Everyone would be like:

 

“Wow, that’s pretty much scandalous! We don’t want to see that kind of behaviour. That’s the kind of behaviour that’s not becoming of an honourable man.”

 

And there used to be this narrative that the West was honourable, that we were the good guys. And I’ll say these fake negotiations are being used as a means to cover up an attack which is I’m imminent. I do think that is a really shady thing to do.

 

And I think that as time goes by, we are going to see more and more people be unwilling to negotiate with the West. Like, why would Vladimir Putin or China or any other nation, North Korea, negotiate with Trump? Why would any foreign leader trust going to America or sitting in a negotiation room with the Americans when they assassinate leaders, carry out fake negotiations, use the hand of friendship to lock their opponent’s hand in place before they sucker punch them? You know, it’s like holding one hand out to shake the other guy’s hand and when he starts giving the handshake, you just sucker punch them! You know, it’s awful! I mean, what do you guys think to this?

 

I think this is going to fundamentally change the way, the implication of this, is going to change the way that every other nation does business with America. And it’ll put America on a even people like the Europeans, who are essentially vassal states of America, are not going to be trusting of Trump again or America.

 

Yuro: Well, Europe is already not going to be trusting of Trump and America because of the whole thing with Greenland for a start. But I mean, I hope at the end of this, obviously Iran’s going to hold out. They’re going to continue to resist until America and Israel, …

 

Mark Collett: This is the summation, what you hope for comes at the end, like, stay on, …

 

Yuro: It’s related to this! It’s related to this. I was going to say I hope that Israel and America run out of interceptor missiles. Iran fights them to a standstill. And they say:

 

“Right, we will negotiate with Trump in this place.”

 

He goes there to negotiate, and then, …

 

Natty: They just blow him up! [chuckling]

 

Yuro: And it would be entirely justified on moral grounds and on the grounds that it’s already been done to them.

 

Natty: They would cry bitter tears if the same tactics they had used, these same underhand, cowardly, sniveling, weak tactics were used on them! And this is something to point out to. I say I’m gonna use Boomer, but, like, Boomer mindset, Civnat, kind of Tommy Robinson-tard mindset where like:

 

“Oh, yeah, no, we’re the good guys and we should stamp these dirty terrorists into the ground! They’re terrorists!”

 

It’s like your pedo jew empire assassinates little girls for some reason, I guess because they’ve just got bloodlust and we can talk about the Purim Fest, if we want. Assassinates little girls, assassinates world leaders, which is supposed to be off the table. Totally violates, like, any notion of the Geneva Convention or the kind of rules of war and does it in a cowardly way. This is like your medieval knight marching out to the front of a battle under a white flag to negotiate terms and then just pulling a knife and stabbing the negotiator. Your entire army would be, they’re like, forfeit. And the enemy army would be totally justified in just slaughtering prisoners and like, just pillaging and doing whatever it wants at that stage! You’ve set the rules. You’re supposed to be the powerful, the one who’s setting out exactly how things are going to go down. And you open the conflict or the latest round of the conflict with an underhand cowardly assassination under the flag of truce and blowing up 170 schoolgirls! Well, I’m sorry, but what space have you now given for quarters? None! And no one’s going to trust you, and they shouldn’t trust you.

 

And the other world powers looking on Russia and China, who we’re going to touch on in a little while, like Mark said, they’re not going to be trustworthy. They’re going to have that in their minds anytime America tries to talk to them, anytime the jew empire reaches out to say:

 

“Oh, we just want to discuss the Ukraine war and negotiate terms in the Ukraine war.”

 

And like, Yuro said, they would be totally justified in shooting down like diplomatic planes, like bombing, like delegations, peace delegations, assassinating the head of state. Who’s to tell anyone now that that is a wrong or immoral thing to do now that supposedly the world police and a global superpower and the most moral army in the world, Israel, has carried out exactly that, such a thing.

 

And I don’t need to belabour the point, but they’ve been doing this for a long time. And you can look back as far as Dresden and the nuclear bombs dropped on Japan, to say:

 

“Well, that’s how these people act! And people who oppose them should act accordingly and plan accordingly.”

 

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Mark Collett: Well, I agree. And not only this or not only what you guys have said, but I do think it’s very interesting that on top of everything you guys have said, there is also the issue of Russia and Zelensky.

 

Now obviously if Russia had wanted to, they could have bombed Kiev, day one of the conflict and absolutely just beheaded the regime. Now Russia never did that. Now I’m not saying Russia are the good guys or shilling for Russia, but it is an interesting comparison to see that everything that Russia has been accused of, the West has done and the West has done it in a much more sort of egregious fashion. It’s quite interesting.

 

And this so-called “Axis of Evil” now appears to be far less evil than the “good guys”. The “good guys” have shown, I said that in inverted commas. Have shown their hand. They’ve, it’s a mask off moment. I don’t know if anyone wants to add something to this because we did talk about this a lot, but I’ll give you the chance to follow up if anyone wants to talk about this.

 

Natty: Yeah, go on. Yuro, you go first.

 

Yuro: I was just gonna say it’s a complete moral inversion. It’s, we are supposedly the good guys because we fight against the bad guys. And they’re all terrorists. They’re inherently evil. I was listening to, I think this was on the Daily Shoah they were talking about basically the term “terrorist” is a social construction. It’s just a word we can use to label somebody and all of a sudden their grievances illegitimate. We don’t have to stick to the rules of engagement. We can just murder them, we can murder their families and put them in jail. We just put this label on them and they are inherently evil.

 

But you know, the Ayatollah was never in the Epstein files. That’s the difference.

 

Natty: Yeah, the Ayatollah never called me a goyim or demographically replaced my people or ethnically cleansed my people. So you know, what beef do I have with the Ayatollah, at this point? And like Mark was saying, the Russians opened Ukraine, the Ukraine conflict by striking out military targets. They were landing at Hostomel Airport and controlling like major supply routes. And the Jewpedo regime starts its war with an assassination of a leader, or a spiritual leader. Not a military strategist or anything like that. A spiritual leader who’s in his 80s as well as his granddaughter and his family members all blown up. And like blowing up a school with 12 to 17 year old school girls in it. Now you tell me, yeah, you tell me who the bad guys are.

 

Yuro: It’s worth pointing out as well that the entire war in Ukraine or although it was something that had been kind of slowly building up for a while, that NATO had been expanding further and further eastward, it was really brought to the fore because Russia was supporting Assad in Syria. And the Epstein empire had to take out Syria in order to stop Iranian weapons getting to Hezbollah and getting to Gaza.

 

And so they started this whole other conflict to take Russia’s focus away from helping their allies in Syria. And that allowed them to get in there and destroy Syria. And it’s all part of the same program.

 

Natty: The same grand strategy. Yeah, I think people, a lot of people kind of don’t seem to understand that. They’re like:

 

“Well that seems, that seems too far fetched that the Pedojew regime would start a war with Russia in Ukraine just to help topple the Syrian government. Or the Pedo jew regime would kidnap a South American president just to support an ongoing or like support a future war against Iran with oil, you know, oil routes and all the rest of it.”

 

Because people are like:

 

“No, that can’t be right, you know, 50,000 Ukrainian men dead and God knows how many Russian men dead just to tie up Russian forces to leave Syria exposed?”

 

It’s like:

 

“Yeah, that’s how these people think. That’s what they’re willing to do.”

 

And that’s what they did do. And in Syria, Russian troops, Russian air power in Syria was halting Israeli aggression and you know, Western aggression. It was the CIA, it was MI6 and was Mossad, was paying ISIS, which has now become HTS, which is basically ISIS, to mess up Syria and mess with Assad and sanctions on Assad’s government that was turning the place inhospitable. Making it so that just to live there was pain and it wasn’t the government was obviously suffering and trying its best, but the people suffer when you put sanctions on a country. So on behest of like jewish paedophiles and Israel, America just makes people’s lives a misery around the world, everywhere! You know, Ukrainian men dead, Syrian families wiped out, little girls in Iran, hundreds of thousands of civilians everywhere, in Iraq, in Gaza, in Libya, all dead! Because jewish paedophiles just cannot get enough blood.

 

Yuro: And until the extent that they have any support for the Israeli regime in places like the UK, people in the UK who support Israel, they see this as a war against the Muslims. And they hate Muslims because of what gangs of Pakistani men do to White girls after jewish people like Peter Mandelson and his friend Tony Blair, people like that brought them to our country.

 

And it works for them both ways because it destroys the youth of the British people. It destroys our homogeneous country. It creates resentment against Muslims which they can then use and say:

 

“Well, don’t you hate the Muslims, you hate the Pakistanis who are raping children over here!”

 

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Natty: Yeah:

 

“Live vicariously as we bomb them in the Middle East. Oh, we’re getting those dirty Muslims for you know, goyim! Don’t worry, we’re bombing them. You love it, don’t you? Rah, rah, ra! Let’s go Israel! Israel’s defending you! If we weren’t fighting them here, you’d be fighting them in your streets!”

 

Well, how? Okay, thanks, Schlomo. How did they get onto my streets in the first place? Anyone fancy answer that, answering that question?

 

Mark Collett: No, that’s a very good point. Now obviously we discussed that.

 

So when we discussed the Ayatollah being killed, we’ve discussed the schoolgirls being killed. I mean, know, as you said, the paedophiles are now murdering children. And this says something about America and Israel.

 

Now, I don’t think this was an accident. I don’t think that school being hit was in any way an accident. I think they did that on purpose. I think that’s the sort of people that they are. I think they do things like this because it pleases them to do things like this. And it pleases them to do things like this because to them this is they could avoided doing this, but they don’t want to avoid doing this. What they want to do is they want to cause as much hurt and pain as possible. Now these missile systems that they have, they are probably the best missile systems in the world. They understand where they can strike and where they can’t strike. Those missiles are pretty damn accurate.

 

So when they hit a school, I think that’s by some sort of sick design. I don’t believe it’s accidental. I don’t know if you guys want to add anything to that.

 

Natty: Yeah, there’s a term called “sub-metre accuracy” and I think Tomahawk missiles, I’m not sure about JDAMs, but certainly Tomahawk missiles and the types of missiles that the Jewpedo regime uses all have sub-metre accuracy.

 

So the claims about:

 

“Well, this girl school was next to a Iranian military base or something.”

 

These munitions have sub-metre accuracy, which means they can target within a metre, which is where they drop these bombs. I mean, are we supposed to pretend that the Pedojew regime is somehow like squeamish about blowing up children and civilians? A regime that goes out of its way to target hospitals and suburbs and then when it’s blown up the hospitals and suburbs, then blows up the tent cities that spring up around it to house all the refugees and injured people that you’ve just like totally displaced.

 

So these people are not squeamish about killing civilians then. They never have been. They never have been. Not for the last 70 years and probably not before that.

 

Yuro: We’re always told that we have the most advanced, precise, ultra accurate munitions. We can take out a terrorist in a crowd without killing anyone else:

 

“Oh, look, we dropped a bomb dead centre on that school. Total accident! We don’t know how it happened!”

 

Do you remember when they were attacking Gaza? I mean they’re always attacking Gaza, but in particular in the aftermath of October 7th and there were various organisations that went there to try to provide food relief and they had a car with a big logo on the top that says, “Food Kitchen”. It’s a non-governmental organisation, it’s a charity that’s bringing food to starving people in Gaza. And they sent a munition. It’s like a missile, but instead of a bomb, it’s got just like razor blades all around it.

 

And you can see the picture of the car, they sent it straight through the roof, directly on top of the driver’s seat and cut that man to bits! That’s how accurate they can be when they want to be. So they have the ability to do that they have the ability to do it. It is not an accident when they, …

 

Natty: The other interesting thing about the strike on the girls school was in the immediate aftermath, like there were shills online, there were online shills and righttoids and jews and all sorts of like scum coming out the woodwork claiming again, like they used to do in Gaza or like they have done in Gaza, that:

 

“Oh, this was an Iranian missile that kind of missed a target or misfired as they fired it out of Tehran and fell back on the girl school.”

 

Which was utterly disproved! And yet, you know, none of the people who were claiming this was like an Iranian misfire will ever be held to account or ever be made to apologise or made to like confront their lies about what this was. So the misinformation is hot and heavy.

 

But if you think, like I said, I’m going to reiterate this, if you think the Pedojew regime is squeamish about blowing up children, you’re mistaken. They’re not squeamish about blowing them up. Probably the only disappointing thing for the Pedojew regime is that these girls were blown up and didn’t have a chance to be like, sent off to Epstein’s island or something like that.

 

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Mark Collett: Thank you. The next thing is, this is quite interesting because it’s not the first time that Israel have admitted to bombing civilian populations. And we’ve discussed that they did it in Lebanon. They do it quite indiscriminately, they do it in Gaza.

 

But one thing’s quite interesting about these particular bombings and you guys made the point that they were bombing police stations. And I think they believe that they bombed police stations and took out government leaders and spiritual leaders, that there was going to be a revolution. And we’ve constantly heard this nonsense in the West, haven’t we? That the Iranian regime is hideously unpopular, that normal people in Iran hate the Ayatollah, they hate the government, the police, every organ of the state. I’d actually say more people in Britain hate Keir Starmer than people in Iran hate the Ayatollah.

 

But one thing that’s been very interesting is post these strikes and these indiscriminate missile attacks on schools, police stations and other sites around Tehran, we’ve seen more people out in the street supporting the Iranian government and wanting to fight back against America. I think that really underlines the fact that this idea that the Iranian people are all kept down, they have the Ayatollah’s boot on their head, this is nothing more than propaganda.

 

Natty: Oh, of course! It’s quite interesting to juxtapose it.

 

Can you imagine like a protest, or a march with hundreds of thousands of people ever coming out for any European government? I mean, the closest you got in the West was Trump, right? And that is quickly turned to ash in a lot of people’s mouths. He’s been exposed as basically just another neocon.

 

But if you put yourself in the shoes of like an Iranian, a normal Iranian citizen who’s just watched every single country where his kind of ethnic people, I know that Persians are maybe looked at differently than other people are on the Gulf states, whatever. All the other countries around him who aren’t in league with Israel have been like, brutally broken up and just left as failed states. Well, you’re going to want to cling to anything that stands up to these people and anything that resists being destroyed by them, because you know that if your government falls, that’s the end of any semblance of stability or normality you’ve got. You’re just going to have to either flee or deal with a failed state of a nation. So, of course they support it!

 

And you listen to like the BBC or Piers Morgan or some of these shows and you would think that, …

 

Mark Collett: Andrew Neil!

 

Natty: Yeah, he’s the worst! He’s a total Zio boot licker, man! I’m surprised he hasn’t drowned in jewish semen! [LOL] But like, you listen to these people and you’d think that every single person in Iran is just waiting, crouched behind their door, ready to rise up and take out this hugely unpopular government that everyone hates.

 

And like you said, there’s no government in Europe or anywhere in the West that is as popular with its people as the Iranian government. So take that as you will.

 

Yuro: Obviously, you know, Iran, I mean, I’m guessing, but much like most of the Middle East is awash with weapons from previous gayops and plans that we’ve had to overthrow them in the past.

 

But if you turn this around and let’s say some foreign actor blew up Parliament with every MP in it and blew up every diversity police station across the country and just dropped a bunch of weapons the chance of having a revolution would be much more likely here than it ever would be over there!

 

Natty: Yeah. And just to add on to this point, funnily enough, the strikes on Bahrain, and Bahrain’s a tiny little island nation. I mean, it used to be part of Iran. But the strikes on Bahrain look like they might actually foment a revolution because they’re kind of the Pedojew empire installed monarchy in Bahrain has lost its grip thanks to the Americans retreating and the actual people in Bahrain absolutely hate their rulers. And possibly, you know, news blackout and all the rest of it might actually foment a popular revolution in Bahrain and change governments there, [chuckling] which is supposed to be like a stronghold for the American empire and the Epstein regime and the headquarters of the Fifth Fleet, which controls the Persian Gulf or it used to control the Persian Gulf until the Pedojew regime started this war. So yeah, good one, guys. How’s it going? How’s this war going for you?

 

Mark Collett: Well, I would say that you’ve got a very good point there. And it’s a good point because we are moving on to how is this war going? Well, this is the interesting thing. Trump was elected as the guy who was going to be the President of peace and he was also elected on this America First ticket.

 

The idea that he was going to look after the average American. Now since Iran has closed the Strait of Hormuz, we’ve seen sort of panic buying. Oil prices have spiked. This is something that isn’t helping normal Americans who are already struggling with Trump’s idiotic tariffs.

 

And I would say, for Trump, when you actually look at, you say, how’s it going for him personally? It’s not going well domestically, but his approval ratings are at an all time low. They’re actually beneath his previous approval ratings for his first term and actually beneath Biden’s approval ratings. Now he’s getting savaged.

 

Now obviously he’s going out on TV:

 

“Oh, none of these mean anything. This is rubbish! The people love me!”

 

And I’ve spoken about this before. Post World War II don’t think any Western leader has built a cult of personality as intense as Trump has done with the MAGA movement. Trump has truly built a cult of personality where people see him as the supreme leader.

 

But I think that can be a good thing and it can be a bad thing! It’s a good thing because you have a dedicated support base. It’s a bad thing because often you become insulated and you only listen to that dedicated support base. And because you have that insulation, because you have that ring of people cheering you on and like:

 

“Up Trump! Yeah, you’re doing it right! You’re getting it right! Donald’s got it perfect! Bomb them all!”

 

You don’t actually hear the people outside of your immediate circle. And I think Trump has got this wrong. I think this is going to bring more misery on normal Americans. And I also think it could cost the Republicans the midterm.

 

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Yuro: I don’t think Trump got this wrong. I think Trump did this because his handlers wanted him to do this. I mean, was it Marco Rubio who basically came out and said Israel told us they were going to attack and when they attacked, we were going to get hit in response, so we just had to join them, basically, the tail wags the dog. We had to join in. They forced our hand.

 

And of course, Trump’s all over the Epstein files. He’s part of the Epstein class. He is part of that jewish Zionist Occupied Government [ZOG]. He’s not doing it because he thinks it’s going to make him popular. He’s doing it because he is either severely compromised or that’s just his team.

 

Natty: Yeah. And to assume that Trump cares anymore, I mean, he’s not up for a third term. And if he doesn’t care, do you think the jews who are running him and the Epstein, whoever takes over from Epstein cares about Trump’s reputation or cares even less about the American people and what they want? They were just dupes who were fooled into voting for him. And you can say:

 

“Well, the 2016 Trump train.”

 

Which was a lot more based and had a lot more kind of like groundswell, Right-wing energy behind it. Well:

 

“They were tricked as well. Right?”

 

But if you fell for it again and voted for him this time, they really must despise you and just think you’re the most stupid person ever going! And it’s been proven right. I mean, Trump has now burned any credibility he’s had. This is an extremely unpopular war, but it doesn’t matter. His reputation isn’t on the line anymore, and it’s not a consideration for the people pulling his strings. They wanted this war done. Trump was their best shot of getting it done. And so they’ve got him to enact it.

 

And what we’re seeing is the fallout. And who knows where this ends? I’m sure we’re going to move on to that point. But the suffering of the American people, the suffering of European people is not any concern to these people! And you might argue that European suffering and American suffering is just a little bit of icing on their cake.

 

Yuro: This is something that they’ve wanted for decades and they’ve realised that as time’s gone on its getting less and less possible. So they’ve done it now because now is more likely than tomorrow as bad as it is and as badly as they’re doing and not winning what they want to be. If they’d waited longer, they would have had even less chance.

 

So it’s just like it’s do or die. It’s all out now because they’ve got no other choice.

 

Natty: Right. That’s what I totally agree with that.

 

And what I’m saying is the considerations that like a rational government that cared about its people would make, and there’s going to be an energy crisis, our people are going to die in this war. It’s hugely unpopular. This doesn’t benefit us in the slightest. None of that is like, none of that is in consideration. And it’s clear when you listen to people that they don’t quite understand that. And you listen to like the media class trying to justify this war and just grasping for anything.

 

Whereas like the reality, the truth, that this is purely for Israel and purely for the pedojew empire just doesn’t, it’s quite a hard pill to swallow.

 

Yuro: And as always, it’s going to affect Europe and it’s going to affect the UK so much worse than it’s going to affect America, because America has its own energy supplies.

 

Whereas, you know, Europe has been deliberately cut off from Russian energy supplies and made to not take fuel from Iran in the first place. And so Europeans are probably going to freeze this winter because of what the Americans have done or the jewish-American empire has done. Yeah.

 

Natty: Not content with cutting off via like a jewishpedo regime war with Russia. Not content with cutting off like the majority of European energy supplies. Now [chuckling] the pedojew empire now starts another war in the Gulf, which will just totally screw energy prices. And I like you guys know this, but I’m in the middle of, I’ve almost finished building my house and part of that was installing a heating system and we’ve got like a central heating system.

 

Yuro: Didn’t install a heat pump, did you?

 

Natty: We did not install a heat pump. We installed a central heating oil boiler which we needed to run up as like commissioning the system [chuckling] and like we went to fill it up the day after this started and the price of central heating oil was like 63 per litre. And the day after this thing started and Iran closed the Strait of Hormuz, it went up by like 33 P per litre and it’s now at like 1 pound 33 a litre. So I know this isn’t funny because this is going to affect everyone, but it’s like these are real effects and no the people who started this war just don’t care about this. You haven’t felt this at the pumps yet, but my God, like you are going to and the whole of Europe is going to, so.

 

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Yuro: And it will be White pensioners who freeze whilst illegal migrants can turn up the heating as much as they want in hotels and non-Whites all over will get preferential benefits and help to make sure that they’re looked after while our people suffer.

 

Natty: Yeah, I mean that’s a given at this point.

 

But yeah, we’re about to be hit with this thing. I mean, unless it wraps up quickly, which is not going to happen.

 

Yuro: Even if it did wrap up tomorrow, we’d still have the price shocks. I mean this is what always happens when there’s a, like the price of oil shoots up, petrol prices shoot up, the price, …

 

Natty: Two days for it to rise. 106. Yeah, six weeks for it to creep its way back down. Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: They’re very interesting points and obviously it sort of goes into what we said before about Venezuela. It puts everything into context.

 

Now one of the things that he’s really. We’re going to talk a bit about the fight back here and what Iran has done, its retaliatory strikes, but one of the most disappointing things is they talk about this Axis of Evil, but so far Russia have condemned this. I’m not sure what China have said, if anything at all, but there’s largely a wave of silence about this, isn’t there? There isn’t sort of the international, … So when Russia started their, in inverted commas. They’re not my words, but their words, “the Special Military Operation”, you know, there was this wave of condemnation from every European country about the invasion of Ukraine.

 

However, here, this so-called “Axis of Evil”, China, Russia, etc, there doesn’t seem to be much in the way of pushback other than a couple of snappy press statements.

 

And I think this does tell you something about Russia and China’s ability or readiness to get involved. Now I would say China is more concerned with potentially taking Taiwan. And the knock on effects of this is, well, China will look and say:

 

“If America can take out the leadership of countries they don’t like, why can’t we do the same to Taiwan?”

 

And I think Russia is still tied up in Ukraine, which is probably by design. I think part of the issue with Ukraine was pulling Russia so deep into Ukraine that it depleted their resources in places like Syria. So regimes did fall in areas that America wanted them, America and Israel wanted them to fall.

 

But what do you think about the lack of sort of international pushback on this?

 

Yuro: It’s obvious that the Chinese and Russians are helping the Iranians in terms of intelligence gathering, satellite imagery. Supposedly the Iranian missiles use like an encrypted Chinese GPS as opposed to the American run satellites.

 

But yeah, they’re not coming out and publicly saying a lot and they could be doing a lot more kind of out in the open. And if they were really serious, the Chinese and Russians could help the Iranians develop an actual nuclear weapon to allow them to have a deterrent to defend themselves. And that could have happened, you know, within the last decade, but we don’t see them doing it.

 

Natty: Well, I made this point to mark the other day. This is where I kind of disagree with you a little bit. I think there’s only so much they can do. And Russia can’t just import a nuke into Tehran or into Iran without them asking for it. And if you’ve been paying attention, …

 

Yuro: Well, they should ask for it then!

 

Natty: Well that’s, maybe you’re right and they probably should and they probably will if they ever, if they get through this thing in one piece. But Russia has to be asked to provide that nuke. And the Ayatollah, Ayatollah Khomeini has famously had a fatwa on acquiring nuclear weapons. Which, you know, looking back to how we opened this thing puts lie to the fact that:

 

“Iran is two weeks away from having a nuke. Iran is five weeks away from having a nuke!”

 

For the last 30 years, every couple of weeks. So for one, Iran has to ask these countries for things. And I’m fairly certain that Russia is providing military assistance. You know, maybe not flashy supersonic missiles and all the rest of it, but you know it’s a short hop across the Caspian Sea for Russia to send boats and send equipment down to Tehran as much as it can. Like you said, Mark, they’re tied up in Ukraine as per the pedojew regime’s plan.

 

And like you said, Yuro. They’re using encrypted Chinese satellite data for their missiles. And I’m sure, like satellite imagery of the surrounding Gulf states and areas that Iranian like ballistic missiles and drones are hitting is provided by the Chinese.

 

So I think Russia and China understand the stakes here and understand that if Iran falls or we’re kind of at a turning point in history of the future of the Pedojew regime empire and where it stands and if it manages to pull this off and destroy Iran, then who knows what’s next? And we, I guess, we can talk about that. But for Russia and China, they probably think that actually halting the Pedojew regime here is probably a good thing to do.

 

And as much as much as they can do under the table, they’re going to do. And if it gets any hotter than that, well, who knows? But I disagree with you that they’re not helping as much as they could be.

 

Yuro: I don’t expect them to hand over a dozen nuclear weapons and say:

 

“Here you go!”

 

But why is Iran using such an antiquated air force instead of more modern Russian fighter planes, for example? Like, things like that would not be outside of the realm of possibility.

 

[1:12:38]

 

Natty: Well, because that’s not where the Iranian like, national defense has been focused. America, whatever you like to say about it, dominates the air and it always has. It has the most advanced and the most aeroplanes that it can put in the sky. You know, carrier groups all over the place, air bases all over the place. And Iran has had a long time to prepare for this. They’ve watched what’s happened around them and has decided actually our best national defense is in this missile capability and drone capability. And if Russia sent a squadron of like Su-22s or whatever the latest MIGs are, they would probably be shot down in fairly short order, which would be waste of resources.

 

So I think this idea, like I said, I think this idea that they’re not helping as much as they can is misplaced.

 

And interestingly enough, Arab Natsoc in the chat has just said Iran has a hyper fixation on self sufficiency. And he says it’s noble, but it’s not always the best way.

 

And I think that’s probably correct. Like I said it’s not up to China and Russia just to unload the docks in some port somewhere. Just tons and tons of military hardware that Iran never asked for. You know, they’ve got to agree these things and they’ve got to ask for it and they’ve got to trade for it and give things away and they probably feel they don’t need to. And judging by what’s happening so far, maybe they’re right. They didn’t need it. Maybe whatever they’ve asked for, they’re utilising and anything they haven’t asked for, they don’t really need.

 

Yuro: [with a Russian accent]

 

“I’m sorry, comrade, I didn’t mean to leave that pallet of nuclear weapons. You can do what you like with them.”

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, [chuckling] I did say this in all fairness, mate, I think I did say to you it would probably, to do something like this or to create a deal of that sort you would probably actually need for the Iranian regime to fundamentally turn around and say:

 

“Look, you’re gonna have half of our country, you’re gonna have X amount of our oil production. You’re going to be able to put your own bases on our soil. You’re going to have this power over us.”

 

And then Russia or China might say:

 

“Well, this is actually worth it. Then we will put bases on your soil. This is absolutely worth it! We’re going for it. Thanks. Thanks a bunch, guys. You know, this works.”

 

But the Iranians might not actually want that they might not actually want Russia and China to have that much control over Iranian politics.

 

Natty: Yeah, that’s absolutely right!

 

And if you think about it, that would turn Iran into a, like a, not exactly a vassal state, but as a, like an arm of Russia or an arm of China.

 

Whereas if they come out of this unscathed, they emerge as the regional power in the Middle East, which has much bigger implications for them and then makes them bigger on the world stage than just being an outpost of Russia or China.

 

Yuro: But they could trade on more equal terms with the North Koreans. And the North Koreans have come out and said:

 

“If they ask for a nuke, they’ll get one.”

 

Natty: Well maybe they will. I suspect the Iranian government is going to be much more looking at that idea much more favourably after this.

 

Mark Collett: Well, that is an interesting point.

 

And ultimately I’ve said this on many streams, but we are in a situation where that is the only way that you can keep America off your back. That’s the only reason North Korea didn’t fall. It’s the only reason Russia probably hasn’t been invaded or struck by the Americans. I think if Russia didn’t have nukes, undoubtedly America would have attacked them.

 

But despite them not having nukes, I will say this. I think the Iranians retaliatory strikes have been extremely impressive! But amongst those retaliatory strikes, it is noted that, because when this all started, I was thinking:

 

“Why are they bombing refineries? Why are they attacking refineries in other Arab nations? Surely that’s going to annoy potential allies. Why would they do such a thing? You know, we don’t do that, guys, because if you do, you’re going to end up being a pariah state and you know, your next door neighbours aren’t going to want to essentially work with you.”

 

And then the other day it comes out that effectively what you’re seeing here is not Iran striking these oil refineries, but the strikes on the oil refineries have been carried out by Israel!

 

So what do you think to Iran’s actual retaliation and what do you think of Israel’s rather underhanded attacks? Because, and this isn’t just theory crafting. We’ve actually seen over the last, 24 hours scores of Mossad agents being arrested around the Middle East for being involved in false flag operations in numerous Middle Eastern nations.

 

And of course, this is something that we all know happens. This is something that we all are completely aware of you know, we know that Israel is regularly involved in sort of false flag events. This is something that has happened many, many times in the past.

 

And I think it’s interesting that this is being exposed. So we’ve had the USS Liberty, [we’ve had 9/11] we’ve had bombings in the Middle East. We’ve had potential or we’ve had sort of “terror attacks” in inverted commas in numerous countries which have turned out to be the work of Israeli agents. And we’re seeing that again now.

 

So I think Iran has performed far more ably than people might have thought. Sadly, they don’t seem to be winning this. Their navy seems to be taking major hits.

 

But some of these retaliatory strikes are looking questionable, are actually the work of Israel.

 

[1:19:06]

 

 

Yuro: Well, supposedly, I mean, who’s to say that the attack on our base in Cyprus was actually carried out by Iran? Because didn’t Keir Starmer say:

 

“Oh, we won’t actually engage in hostile actions, we’ll only defend Israel with our planes!”

 

Which is, of course, kind of a schizophrenic point of view in the first place. But then all of a sudden:

 

“Oh, look, our base in Cyprus is attacked and now we can kind of get in fully without restriction.”

 

Natty: So that’s a good point. I mean, we can talk about RAF Akrotiri, but if you look at where Cyprus is on a map, any Iranian weapons, munitions, whether it’s drones or missiles or whatever, have to fly over, like directly over Israel. So there’s speculation it was like Hezbollah or possibly someone else or even maybe a, like an Israeli false flag, which is certainly possible. And who can say?

 

But it does seem like the refineries in Saudi Arabia and Qatar are Mossad operations to blow them up. With the point being to try and engage those countries on behalf of Israel to come into the war on behalf of Israel and do what they can or do more for Israel.

 

But coming back to your point, Mark, about the strikes that Iran have carried out, it’s not clear to me that they’re losing. I mean, you say it seems they’re losing. I’m not sure that’s totally true. And we spoke about this before I think a few months back on the Nationalist A-Team, where I think they’re doing much more, they’re doing a much more capable job than anyone except expected them to in the sensibility and where they’re striking.

 

So they’re hitting US bases in these Gulf oil states, you know, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia and Qatar. And they’re forcing the Americans to retreat, which stretches their logistic lines. And like we said earlier, they may have fomented an uprising in Bahrain and they’re making these Arab states which have been paid off or controlled by Israel in some way unstable and shaky. And the Israeli installed governments and monarchs and regimes in these countries are looking incredibly shaky or shaky as you’ve just put in the chat, that you’re on shaky ground. And hitting Dubai, well, that’s just popular with everyone in the entire world. So what do you say about that?

 

Yuro: It’s kind of, it’s almost like their own kind of Samson Option, except inherently justified and not evil because they’re only going after the American bases and the people supporting the Americans and the Israelis.

 

But you know, they’ve said:

 

“If we’re attacked from here. We’re going to take this, and just kind of everything in the region, every American base.”

 

And it’s entirely justified because these countries can’t claim to be not involved:

 

“Oh yes, we’re not involved in this. We just have a base where your enemy is launching attacks on you, but we’re not involved!”

 

And then the moment Iran says:

 

“Okay, well we’re not going to attack you, we’re not going to attack your people, but we’ll take out that base.”

 

And then say Saudi Arabia:

 

“So we’re under attack, we’re being attacked.”

 

Well, no!

 

Natty: That’s American soil. That’s American soil there buddy! A totally legitimate target by anyone’s standards.

 

Yuro: I mean, it seems like Iran is taking a kind of “tank and turtle” strategy. You know, it’s like when you play a, like a strategy game and you can put a lot into units or you can just build up your base and wait for them to come to you. And it can be risky because there’s a possibility that you get overwhelmed.

 

But if you’re turtle enough you can withstand that storm and then you can turn around.

 

Mark Collett: Is Yuro the tank or the turtle? That’s the question. [chuckling]

 

Natty: Depends what he’s had to eat. [chuckling]

 

Yuro: Turtling and tanking, kind of the same thing.

 

Natty: But I think like Iran by its like geography is kind of is able to naturally turtle and the fact is that there’s so many assets that America have placed around it and like the jewpedo regime have around it. And the fact that Israel is within striking distance means it can strike effectively. And America is very powerful and has a very powerful military, but that military still has logistical concerns and still has aircraft carriers that are clogged [chuckling] with like fat Mexican sailors poo!

 

Yuro: American aircraft carriers are as full of shit as Donald Trump!

 

Natty: Well, [chuckling] yeah, agreed.

 

Mark Collett: Well that’s the thing. Look, I mean, we haven’t seen an aircraft carrier at the bottom of the Persian Gulf yet, have we? Now you might be saying:

 

“Oh well, Mark, that’s a big ask.”

 

Because Obviously, if that happened, we would actually probably see the beginning of World War III! Because at that point, I think Trump would have to put boots on the ground. It actually might be the end of him. You know, it’d be one of the other, wouldn’t it? He’d either have to put boots on the ground or it’d be the end of him. But we are yet to see an aircraft carrier effectively being scrapped.

 

Now, that doesn’t mean they’re not doing anything in retaliation, but they’re not hitting the big targets. And look, we’ve had American commentators, some of these American commentators that do these sort of big takes on these things. You hear them talking about this Axis of Resistance and saying:

 

“Oh the time will come when these hypersonic missiles are going to be putting aircraft carriers at the bottom of the Persian Gulf!”

 

We yet to see that, are we? I mean, we’re also yet to see any of these sort of hypersonic super weapons take out leading members of the Israeli government or the Israeli regime. You know, I know Yuro doesn’t like the word “regime”, which we keep using, but that is an interesting point. We haven’t seen Israel struck. Israel has been proved to be not invincible, I think it’s fair to say that. But we haven’t seen the Israeli government reeling in the same way that the Iranian government has.

 

[1:25:49]

 

Yuro: Well, there’s a couple of points to make here. First off, with regards to the aircraft carriers, the American Navy has been keeping the aircraft carriers at a much greater range than they would normally use them to attack somebody because they are scared of those missiles. And the Iranians have launched small salvos of kind of like four missiles at time at them and got them to basically back off and back off to a greater distance, which means they can do much fewer kind of bombing runs at once and they have more fuel requirements and greater maintenance on the planes. So it is diminishing America’s capability to attack.

 

There was also satellite footage, I think, from a Chinese satellite that showed a fire on one of the destroyers in one of the aircraft carriers escorts. So potentially that was hit by Iranian missiles and although not sunk, caught fire. So they’re keeping them at bay. The Americans know if they get any closer, they will be hit.

 

And with regards to the missiles that they’re firing, it seems like they’ve used a lot of their kind of crappier munitions and their older munitions, like everything they’ve been launching at the other Gulf states is short range ballistic missiles that don’t have the range to go anywhere else. So they might as well use them on these targets. And they’ve been using up these older, less advanced munitions and drones and still still getting so many interceptors wasted before they actually bring out the big guns. And we’ve seen within the past day or two they’re starting to launch these missiles. I can’t remember the name of them, but they’re like a very large cluster munition that drops about 60 different submunitions on the way down and they’re dropping those on Israel.

 

And as I said in the very beginning, we just don’t know how much is actually getting through and how much damage they’re actually doing because it’s censored and covered up.

 

Natty: Yeah, we did touch on this and like you said, like an interceptor system, like a THAAD or like a Patriot battery or whatever, costs like in the millions, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars. And they’re being used up [chuckling] like drones with lawnmower engines and like a few kilogram warheads. And Iran’s just like churning these things out, like churning them out and churning them out and they’re still intact and they’re at some point America is going to run out of interceptors.

 

And I don’t know if you saw this, but the pedojew regime in America like called its defense manufacturers, heads of its defense manufacturing industry in for like an emergency meeting to say:

 

“We need more missiles! We need more stuff like come on, make it happen!”

 

But I was listening to something earlier saying this is very well demanding that, but there’s a lot of a very expensive gear that goes into this stuff, like certain gases and certain rare earth elements and guidance systems and radio radar systems and optics and all the rest of it that has to go into this missile production.

 

Meanwhile, you know, Iran can get like a cheap [chuckling] Chinese lawnmower engine, stick it in a, like a fiberglass Shahed drone shell, put a bit of explosive on the tip of it and just launch it wherever it runs, you know, within a few hundred mile radius, which is enough to cover the Gulf states and Strait of Hormuz and all this oil production that Europe relies on and lots of other people rely on and it’s going to destabilise all these countries that surround it.

 

Yuro: There’s a psychological aspect of them just doing the drip, drip, drip, dropping wave after wave of missiles on the Israelis, that’s definitely going to be wearing the Israelis down.

 

And also let’s say they absolutely opened up and dropped every missile that they had on Tel Aviv and the surrounding areas. Well in that situation the Israelis would come out and enact the Samson Option, wouldn’t they? And just you know, destroy them with their own nuclear weapons so that obviously they’re not going to feel like they can just drop everything on them at once because they don’t want to force them into that corner where they say:

 

“All right, well we’re doomed anyway!”

 

Natty: Well the other thing to remember is for Iran, the people in Iran and the government in Iran understands this is like a fight for survival. Like I said earlier, if they lose now, if they fail in this defense of their nation, they turn into a failed state. Israel has free reign and MI6 and the CIA have free reign to just fund all sorts of horrible like disgusting groups like ISIS and like the Kurds and everyone else to come and storm their country and make it into a living hellhole, just like they’ve done with Syria and Iraq and Libya.

 

So they understand this is a fight for their survival. So they’ve got to bend their entire will to doing this. Israel and America can stop anytime and can be forced to their knees if their civilian populations demand it. You know dropping cluster munitions on Tel Aviv is like a terror tactic. Well I mean “terror” in like air quotes, right? But at some point the Israeli people, the jews in Israel were going to have had enough of air raid sirens and cluster munitions raining on their heads and could be going to demand that it ends one way or another.

 

And this is what happened in the 12 Day War. I mean if you listen to shills and like pedojew media you would think that Iran lost a 12 day war, but it was Israel who cried off, who’d taken enough punishment from everything I can see. And it’s only a matter of time. I mean if Iran can sustain what it’s doing the Iron Dome is not stopping a giant like cluster warhead that like you said drops 60 submunitions on the city in a suburb somewhere, they’re going to cry uncle and they’re going to bend the knee to Iran.

 

[1:32:14]

 

Meanwhile Iran can’t stop and it simply can’t otherwise it fails. And I’m sure almost everyone in the country understands that.

 

Yuro: This is like a boxing match where the other side controls the bell. You know, you’ve got Mike Tyson there and he’s got the bell. He chooses when the match ends. You don’t want to give it everything you’ve got and gas out too early because it might go on another five minutes.

 

So they are happy to let this draw out. And everything that the Americans and the Israelis has done has all been about, let’s go in there with the alpha strike, let’s drop as much on them as we can, let’s take out this, let’s take out that, and then we’ll just walk away and say:

 

“Mission successful, we can walk away now.”

 

And the Iranians are like:

 

“No, we’re not surrendering! We’re going to keep on fighting!”

 

Because as time continues it gets more and more in their favour. What they don’t want to do is say:

 

“Right let’s have a ceasefire!”

 

And three months, six months down the line, it starts all over again. They’re better off just continuing it now.

 

Natty: Yeah, I agree with that.

 

I mean, this is, like I said, this is a long, long time in the making. This is a long term plan of Israel’s to destroy and destabilise Iran. So if there’s ever, if there’s a ceasefire, if this stops, it’s going to be back on again at some point. And in the same way that a Gaza ceasefire isn’t really a ceasefire and at some point Israel is going to move on Gaza again and try and wipe those people out. So I think the Iranians understand that. Well, hopefully they understand that.

 

So we’ll see what happens.

 

Mark Collett: Well, it is interesting because they haven’t begged, have they haven’t begged and they haven’t cucked! I think they know there is no negotiations. That’s one of the big problems earlier that we talked about though. You know, when you make it so negotiation is meaningless, you essentially do put people with their backs to the wall. You know, if you’ve got a guy, you know, stood in his house with a pistol and the police are like:

 

“Look, let’s negotiate.”

 

But you know that when the police come through that door, they’re going to shoot you no matter what. At that point, what are you going to do? Is it going to be fight to the death, blaze of glory time, or is it going to be:

 

“Well, I’ll spend 12 hours negotiating only to be shot in the head anyway.”

 

At that point, you are creating an interesting sort of situation where fundamentally the American word is good for nothing! And the only answer is to fight to the death. And look, you know, without going into World War II, many, many Germans surrendered in good faith, believing that they were going to be treated like human beings, that they were going to be treated honourably, that surrendering to the Americans would be the right thing, that they would go home, that they would be treated as prisoners of war. And then they were brutalised and starved to death. I mean, surrendering to America is often, …

 

Natty: Or sent to Russia as slaves.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Natty: Even starved on the banks of the Rhine or sent to Russia as slaves. Yeah, you shouldn’t imagine that you’re going to be treated fairly if you surrender to these people. They’ve shown, as we discussed earlier, they’ve shown that they’ve got no honour. They’ve shown that they’re dishonourable people and they don’t treat civilians well. Those are the lessons that should be taken from this.

 

Yuro: They protest for their right to rape captives. When their own people have been caught on video, you know, sodomizing prisoners like Gazans that they’ve captured, they protest. And they don’t say it didn’t happen

 

Natty: Out in the street.

 

Yuro: Yeah, they said they turn out in the street to protest and say:

 

“We should be allowed to sodomize them!”

 

Is there any other country in the world where you would get that?

 

Mark Collett: Well, I think one of the interesting things about Trump, and this is sort of just one of my sort of notes on this, is that Trump came in as this “art of the deal”, wanting to put world peace on the table, get America out of the foreign wars that have dogged it for some time. And essentially what we’ve actually seen is quite the opposite. Trump actually does seem to be. And this isn’t meant to be a compliment, by the way, but it probably comes off as a little bit of a compliment. But he does seem to be sort of the ultimate ZOG warlord, doesn’t he? Trump as a guy, as a mad sort of emperor stood, you know, addressing his troops does seem to be a role that he slips into far more easily and readily than the role of peacemaker.

 

Now, I’ve seen him in these interviews. I’ve seen him talking about future operations. I’ve seen the way he really does love having this power and being able to tell other nations to bow to him or else. And that’s what he’s saying, really, with Iran:

 

“You’ll do what I say or I’m going to completely raze you to the ground!”

 

Now saying that, do you think there has ever been a more philo-semitic president? And following this, do you think this will change the way Americans vote in the future?

 

[1:37:45]

 

 

Natty: I doubt it. And there may have been more philo-semitic presidents, but certainly not in our time, or I mean, our time is in a time when I’ve been a, like an adult. I think I was 12 at the time when the first Gulf War started, when Bush rolled into Iraq and dragged Blair in and dragged the rest of the British people in. But it’s hard to imagine a more philo-semitic president.

 

And I think part of the problem is. Well, maybe it’s not a problem for them, although it might turn out to be, who knows, depending on how this thing goes, is that more and more people were just nakedly seeing it as that it’s like, why, what possible reason could the American people, like the people in America have for engaging in this terminal war with Iran? What possible cause do the British people have against the people of Iran? You know, flimsy excuses like:

 

“Oh, they’re a terrorist nation and you know, they might at some point have a nuke!”

 

This just doesn’t cut it. This isn’t a reason that sensible people would launch wars against people and go on these destructive campaigns against people.

 

Yuro: Sunni Pakistanis rape children. So we need to fight against them

 

Natty: Yeah:

 

“We need to fight a Shia country, a Persian Shia country!”

 

Yeah, absolute lunacy! But people, I think people genuinely understand more now. But this is just jews! This is a war for jews. It’s a war for Israel. And Trump is like deeply, deeply friends with the jewish paedophile who was the mover and shaker for the evil jewish paedophile regime. This is their guy. You know, he is their guy and he’s the guy who’s going to see this done. Not for you, not for your family, not for the American infrastructure, not for the home country and what it means for the future of America, but for Israel and for his jewish handlers. And people, I think, understand that. More and more people understand that, which is why this war is so unpopular.

 

Yuro: We see more and more people waking up to jewish power every day. And in America, I mean, you see mainstream Leftists like Ana Kasparian from the young Turks goes out and just says:

 

“The goyim are waking up! Deal with it!”

 

And that’s amazing to see and it’s a great thing! But at the end of the day there’s no one for them to vote for. The two party system in America is so entrenched, they’re not going to have that option anytime soon to actually get out of it. I mean you’re just going to have a continuation of the same thing where you have presidents get elected and have lower and lower approval ratings, but the people just won’t believe it.

 

Natty: And that’s like you said, no other choice. And I’ll remind, you know, Mark was saying that President Trump ran on like a “no foreign intervention, no foreign wars” ticket. Certainly in 2016 he did. But every president has done that and most of the prime ministers and most of the regimes in this country have run on the same kind of, “we’re not for foreign wars”!

 

And yet every time there’s a foreign war on behalf of Israel and the jews, these people snap to. And all of a sudden it’s:

 

“Well, this war is justified. And this is a terrorist regime and Syria used Sarin gas on its people and Iran is a terrorist state and Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction!”

 

So these people know that foreign wars aren’t popular and you know, foreign wars within justifications, but foreign wars where there is literally no justification apart from the jews want us to do this, are extremely unpopular! And burn through the veil that these people use to hide what they do and kind of hide the levers they pull in order to get what they want.

 

Mark Collett: That’s very interesting. And I do concur. I don’t think there is anyone else to vote for. But I’m not really here to correct anyone tonight. I think everyone’s made excellent points, but you are actually wrong that it was just, 2016. There are pictures floating around that I’ve actually shared showing with Trump and Vance stood together and it’s the kind of text around them is “the peace ticket”, you know, saying:

 

“You’re voting first, you’re voting for peace!”

 

This is what they ran on this time as well. And Trump did make these huge sort of overtures to the Nobel Committee, that he wanted the Nobel Prize Peace Prize, that he was going to stop these wars, which obviously he hasn’t done.

 

Natty: I think I’m probably guilty of paying less attention to the Trump campaign in 2022, [chuckling] when it was in 2016. But, yeah, I can well believe it. And I’ve heard, I’ve seen that in headlines, quoted for the peace ticket. And Trump lambasting Obama on Twitter at the time, saying:

 

“Oh, Obama’s going to start a war in Iran because he’s such a terrible negotiator and he sucks at being a peaceful president.”

 

And it’s like, yeah so many years later, you’re the guy. You’re the guy these people have activated to get this done.

 

[1:43:07]

 

Mark Collett: Well, indeed. And the next point, because we’re sort of getting towards what do we think’s going to happen?

 

But before we do that, I think one of the interesting things about this is we’ve seen, so there are a lot of, what can I call them, “Shitbag influencers” like Tommy Robinson, Douglas Murray, Andrew Neil. I despise Andrew Neil! Fat, worthless toad! The day he has sort of a gigantic Coronary as he sat eating his sort of duck pate on his terrace in the south of France will be a good day for the world! That guy is always on the wrong side of everything. He wants to attack Iran, wanted all the Covid restrictions. I can’t remember him ever saying anything good. He is scum of the earth!

 

But on the other side, we have seen this in interesting bipartisan pushback. We’ve seen Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Thomas Massie, Ana Kasparian. There has been this mass awakening to Israel! I mean, Tucker Carlson stood in front of Turning Point USA getting a standing ovation for saying:

 

“Israel needs to get out of American politics!”

 

That is seismic. You know, he is still the biggest American political voice in terms of being an influencer. I think this is incredible!

 

Now, I was somebody that was quite happy for Trump to get in for a couple of reasons, but one of the reasons being that I believed that this would bring things to a head. I believe that the Trump regime would be the regime that accelerated things to a point where numerous people who had previously been extremely philo-semitic would end up coming out, breaking ranks, and there would be a mainstream acceptance of our points. I remember saying that, actually I was briefly invited on WarStrike, of all streams, the night of the election.

 

And I was like:

 

“Look, this isn’t a bad thing! Don’t have a cow over this basically. This is something that may well bring us certain benefits.”

 

And I think that we are sort of seeing this to a large degree now. What do you guys think about this? Because I can’t really remember the last time we’ve actually seen a such a bipartisan move against Israel. And it’s not just the ones I’ve mentioned. I mean, Marjorie Taylor Greene has been incredible! Tucker Carlson’s leading the charge with young Right-wing males and females. Turning Point USA, which used to be absolutely ZOGged, is now a hive of like counter-semitism, if you like.

 

And on top of all of that, having the absolutely delightful and wife ready material known as Ana Kasparian.

 

Yuro: She’s absolutely perfect! [chuckling] Coming out for me!

 

Mark Collett: What? What did you say Yuro?

 

Natty: What did you say?

 

Yuro: It’s a bit brown for me.

 

Natty: Get out! Booted from this stream!

 

Mark Collett: You know what? Do you know what? Yuro’s got this thing, right, where you show any girl who’s got the mildest amount of than, and he goes into some kind of like tail spin as if like White women have never ever set foot out of the house!

 

Yuro: Are Armenians White?

 

Natty: This one is. This one certainly is!

 

Yuro: If she’s anti-semitic, she’s White! Okay.

 

Mark Collett: The question is, Yuro, are you White? [chuckling] Because the fact you’ve asked this of our lady in chief, …

 

Natty: Perfect Queen.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, a perfect Queen means maybe you’re, …

 

Yuro: I’m not as big as simp as you are mate!

 

Mark Collett: Mate, there’s nothing simpy about loving Ana!

 

Natty: It’s [chuckling] a justified simpery.

 

Mark Collett: It’s justified simpery. Yeah. And so why I like Ana as well is when she gets angry, she just doesn’t hold back, does she? She’s one of those people, sometimes watching somebody get really angry, …

 

Natty: There was a clip, there was a clip of her on Piers Morgan and she was like yelling at these like jews. There were like six of them on the panel and I think they were all jews apart from her and Piers Morgan. And she’s like yelling and screaming at them because they’re trying to dissemble and you know, do what “aboutery” about the killing in Gaza and the killing kids in Iran and stuff. And she’s really letting them have it! And she’s screaming at them. There was some like Boomer in the Facebook comments, like:

 

“Oh, I tried to watch it but I couldn’t take the screeching!”

 

I just, I put underneath it, I was like:

 

“I would listen to her scream about jews in my ear all night!”

 

Mark Collett: Look, [chuckling] that is how I feel that like she has come out and when she does it? She does it! So if you’re screaming like some mad, sort of disheveled, for want of a better term, “Karen” and so you’re sort of mad because there was only, …

 

Yuro: Karen is a slur.

 

Mark Collett: Well, it is, but Karen can also, you know what I mean? You get some women who’ll go crackers over like the fact there’s only seven olives in there, you know, olive pasta. And the menu shows eight or something and they throw an absolute fit over it! But the way she blows up, it’s so attractive. She’s like:

 

“Don’t give me this! You disgusting Zionist pig! You make me sick!”

 

And she’s enunciating every one of her words and she’s not holding back either. She’s like:

 

“You child killing monsters!”

 

Natty: It’s like righteous fury at the people she’s like, that’s been put up on these panel shows.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. Exactly! And when you’re watching it’s extremely attractive! It’s not sort of like I said, I know “Karen” is a bit of an anti-White slur, but it’s not Karen-esque. It’s not like an overly liberal White woman and who’s outraged because of something minor that normal people are like:

 

“Look, just pull yourself together.”

 

The way she does it, I find it to be absolutely cracking! I love it!

 

Anyway, that’s enough glazing of Ana Kasparian. I mean, look, can there ever be enough glazing about the Kasparian? That could be a two hour stream in itself!

 

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Natty: It’s for Yuro, apparently. I mean, Yuro’s not on the Kasparian train here, unfortunately. Maybe we’ll have to have a word with [word unclear] after the stream.

 

Mark Collett: We have to, … You mean a beating? [chuckling]

 

Natty: You’re going to a re-education camp.

 

Mark Collett: After the show in the green room, we give him a kicking!

 

So what do you think of this bipartisan movement, though? I find it refreshing. I like it. And it’s got real gravitas. Because, look, I was on the David Duke show earlier and obviously I work with David probably more than anybody else in the world, for better or worse. And I love David! He’s a real character. He can be a bit difficult at times, but he’s a real character. But sadly, David does not have the influence he once had.

 

And I’m not saying that to sort of mock David or deride David. I’m just saying that as a statement of fact. But somebody like Ana Kasparian does have that power! She does have that gravitas, but so does Thomas Massie and Marjorie Taylor Greene. You know, Tucker Carlson. Absolutely massive! And you’re watching these people tear in to the Zionist cause and attack these Warhawk jews. It is very refreshing! I mean, well, for me, it is anyway. I mean, I don’t know about you guys, but I love it!

 

I mean, how does this make you feel after all the years of being in the wilderness? Look, being in the wilderness is something that. I am still very much in the wilderness, despite all my hard work over the years, despite my incredible consistency. Like, if I’m not the perfect guy, okay, not by a long, long means, I am very good at debates, but I’m not the perfect guy. I have my foibles. I screw up, …

 

Yuro: Not good at controlling your temper.

 

Mark Collett: I was gonna joke there by exploding at you!

 

Natty: Yeah. [chuckling]

 

Mark Collett: I’m not brilliant at controlling my temper, but one thing you’ve got to say for me is that throughout all these years, I have been extremely consistent in what I’ve stood for.

 

Now, when it comes down to it, seeing these people, for me, anyway, come out and be sort of so, you know, completely anti-Israel. It’s the first time I’ve ever seen it. And it’s not just relying on, as I said, this isn’t to knock David, but it’s not just to rely on me and David Duke making the point anymore. You know, these points are being made by these more mainstream individuals who’ve got serious gravitas. And I actually like that. I think it’s something that I think is really important. Seeing Ana Kasparian and seeing all these others doing it. I think this has taken our message to a new crowd. And it’s interesting to see that there are people all over the political system who have had enough of Israel.

 

Natty: Yeah. And I think having this kind of, it’s not perfect. The things they say aren’t perfect. Right. And the problem isn’t just Israel. And I think most people get that. And this isn’t to kind of pee on your cornflakes, Mark. But even the things they’re saying do give amount of headroom for anyone who’s less sizable and less influential from them to kind of push those boundaries a little bit more. And there is further to push.

 

I mean, we shouldn’t be coming around the campfire at this stage to stretch your wilderness analogy. We should be trying to, we should still be in the wilderness telling the truth and putting the final truth to it. Because, like I said the things are saying are anti-Israel, which is like 90% of the way there, right?

 

And like I said, giving headroom for more, not extreme, that’s not the word, but for a greater and more deep understanding to come forth.

 

And I think that you are going to see from this war with Iran, you’re going to see a tranche of politicians and people emerge who are willing to say these things. And sure, amongst those people there are going to be shills and they’re going to be subversive people, but at some point it just becomes like a political football whether you support Israel and whether you’re going to do their bidding.

 

I mean, one of the disappointing things with Rupert Lowe is he hasn’t really come out against, he hasn’t made a statement against Israel, which I’m sure none of us really expect, but now would be the perfect time for someone in his position to make that leap. We haven’t seen it yet, but I think this just pushes that football a little bit further down the road. You know, pushes the can a little bit further down the road to give space for that to happen.

 

Yuro: I think every day that the Rupert Lowe goes out and doesn’t support Israel, even if he won’t explicitly say that he’s against them, obviously that’s giving us room and whatnot.

 

But another thing, sort of talking about, obviously, the goyim waking up and Trump, I think it is great that we see all these people realizing the extent of jewish power.

 

And I think Trump especially is to thank for it, because he is just so openly philo-semitic in a way that no previous president, even if they love jews as much as he does, they just wouldn’t do it so openly! You know, he goes out there and declares himself the King of Israel and he says this, that and the other. And it’s again, with the attack on Iran and the thing with Venezuela, there’s not even a pretence anymore. It’s just:

 

“We’re doing this because it’s in our interest and we’re attacking Iran because that’s what we want to do!”

 

They’re not having the pretence anymore.

 

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Mark Collett: I don’t like to cut across people because we’ve all been pretty good at not cutting across people. But I just wanted to further your point. You know, when Trump does things which are so sort of egregious [chuckling] that you sort of wonder why he’s saying them. Like when he said:

 

“Oh the Adelsons basically bought me the White House! So whenever they want to just walk in and ask for a policy to be passed, what am I gonna do? It’s the bloody Adelsons! They gave me about half a billion. How are you gonna say no to the people who gave you half a billion? Come on, guys, let’s get things going!”

 

You’re thinking to yourself:

 

“Are you actually saying this? Are you actually saying to people, ‘look, the Adelsons bought me the White House. So then when they want a policy passing, I just bring them in and say, ‘What do you want?’ And when they say, ‘I want this.’ I just give it to them’.”

 

Most people would know which bits not to say out loud. You know, it’s like when you were a kid, your mom was like:

 

“Did you clean up the house?”

 

You’d be like:

 

“Yeah, I did!”

 

But you wouldn’t be:

 

“Well, actually, I spilt the water from the big vase, partially flooded the living room, spent ages dabbing it up, and have hid the stain under the mat!”

 

Because there’s part of it that you don’t say out loud, isn’t there? And there’s part that you say out loud. But Trump, he says it all out loud, and it becomes sort of so almost jarring to hear him say it, because for years, we’ve heard that politicians are bought, they’re sold. You know, powerful foreign forces pay for politicians to do their bidding. And here’s Trump just honestly saying:

 

“Well, that’s exactly what happens! I do it all the time! The Adelsons basically funded me, and I did everything for them. So when they want a policy, I give them!”

 

You don’t say that out loud, do you? You say:

 

“The Adelsons are an important part of what we’re hoping to do, and no one has undue influence over me, but I’m happy to hear from them.”

 

He doesn’t do any of that. There’s no beating around the bush. He basically says:

 

“Jew’s got me in. And when they want a policy passing, I give it to them!”

 

I mean, is that refreshing to hear? For me, it is, because it confirms everything that we’ve always said.

 

Natty: Yeah, he is known for slurping up the “juju come”. As someone put in the chat earlier.

 

I think the worrying thing is, or I guess it’s not worrying. I mean, it’s interesting. So there was like just this ground swell of JQ awareness, like Israel hatred after October 7th because of what Israel was doing to Gaza.

 

And then the media gets to declare:

 

“There’s a ceasefire, Gaza’s over. We can look away now. We can look away from the fact that Israel has been bombing hospitals and stuff.”

 

Because of the nature of the news cycle and everything else, people let it drop. And then this big orange slave, jew slave, Trump, comes along and starts a war with Iran, like, totally on behalf of his jewish handlers in Israel. And all of a sudden it’s like:

 

“Oh, right, my awareness is shaking again.”

 

Like:

 

“Now there’s just another thing that’s like, cannot be ignored where we have to bring out this question again to the public and try and explain why this war for Israel isn’t anything to do with jews and is secretly about Russia.”

 

Or whatever else it is. You know, so, yeah, I mean, awareness, awareness rising!

 

Mark Collett: So we pretty much wrapped up a lot of the things we were going to talk about. And we’ve already said that Israel has been proven through this not to be invincible.

 

And I think that’s one of the key things here. At one point, Israel touted the Iron Dome. It touted their invincibility. I think this has shown something that’s very interesting. It’s highlighted that America is Israel’s lapdog! But it’s also highlighted that without America, Israel couldn’t exist. And that’s important, I think, for two reasons.

 

There’s this symbolic idea of Israel being this invincible outpost in the Middle East that the Iron Dome protects and they can stand alone if necessary. I think Israel have been really undermined here, not just from a moral perspective, but from the view that they can be hurt, which is important. You know, one of the big things, if you’re ever in some kind of conflict, facing what appears to be an immovable or unstoppable enemy, to show that that enemy is, in fact, fallible and can be hurt is very important.

 

And although we’ve hardly seen Israel sink into the Mediterranean, I do think the strikes on Israel have been significant from the point of view that it has shown them to be scared, that if they don’t have the West on their side, they can’t defend themselves.

 

Yuro: Well, it’s like with October 7th. When October 7th happened, it showed the world that they’re not all powerful, they’re not all knowing, they’re not always just gonna win because they’ve got everything on lockdown. Their power does have limits. And there’s some amount of White nationalists who come out and say:

 

“Oh, no, they let that happen1 You know, they let that happen on purpose! That they have a reason to do this.”

 

But actually, it’s like you’re unwilling to believe that they just screwed up that badly.

 

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[Remainder of Transcript in Progress]

 

 

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Mark Collett: Look, I’m not going to get into a big debate, but I actually believe they let that happen. I believe that that was part of their plan and gave them this imperative to do what they did in Gaza.

 

However, I think Iran’s a different kettle of fish. I think that what we’re seeing with Iran here is something fundamentally much more damaging for them, because they have nothing to gain by letting Iran smash through the Iron Dome. They have nothing that they can say:

 

“Well, this gives us the moral imperative to do X.”

 

Because in the case of Iran, they’ve already done X, haven’t they? X has already been committed to, it’s already been carried out.

 

So I think there’s different things here.

 

But look, let’s wrap this up and we’re going to wrap this up before we do the questions and answers. If anyone wants to Superchat. If you’ve enjoyed the stream, please consider sending a Superchat. But we’re going to wrap this up with, obviously we’ve said this is for the Greater Israel Project and we’ve talked about the political ramifications around the world for America, for Russia, for China, for future conflicts.

 

But one thing we haven’t talked about is the political ramifications here in Britain. Now, obviously Starmer hasn’t embroiled himself and he’s made the right choice in that case, but probably for the wrong reasons. Rather than doing this because he doesn’t want to serve Israel, he’s done this because he doesn’t want to turn the Muslim bloc vote against him any further because he fears losing the next general election.

 

But what we can see here, or what I see here, is a major problem with refugees and they’re talking about potentially two, … There was the, I think it was the Telegraph that stated this. The calculation is that 2.5 million people will be displaced from the region due to this conflict. At the present time, that number could obviously rise and they’re all going to be coming to Europe, they’re not going to be going to Israel.

 

And I’ve always described this as sort of the twin evils of Israel. On one hand, Israel menaces, murders, maims, terrorizes states in the Middle East for its own gain and to maintain dominance in the region. However, the blowback is never for Israel! The blowback of all this ends up hitting Western nations who take the refugees or the people that are displaced.

 

And I think that’s the final piece of the puzzle, that the Greater Israel Project makes Israel more powerful, but by extension due to the knock on effect, it weakens the West, it pushes us closer to a demographic shift that will be unrecoverable and fundamentally takes us a step nearer to being a minority in our ancestral homelands!

 

Natty: Yeah, destabilising its immediate neighbours, like I said earlier, destabilising its immediate neighbours with missiles and bombs and gayops and all the rest of it, is a short timescale. But destabilising European countries with mass immigration and kind of ethnic cleansing and all the rest of that, that’s still just destabilisation. It’s just on a longer time scale. And I alluded to this earlier, but the Israeli gayops and the CIA and Mossad and MI6 operation, well I mean it was the open British government was just aiding like terrorists in Libya, overthrowing Gaddafi. Gaddafi had an agreement with Italy where Italy would pay him to stop, just endless floods of migrants crossing the Mediterranean into Europe. And Israel uncaring that that was in place or seeing that actually destroying that was a good thing because it helped destabilise everything, not just Europe, but top to Libya, decided to enact you know, plans against Gaddafi that ended with him, like I said, with a bayonet up his bum, dragged out into the street.

 

And that led to the migration crisis in 2015, 2014, 2015, which is ongoing today. And I just posted in the private chat there because I just looked this up, Morgoth’s Law, which was spoken by Morgoth himself:

 

“No matter where the conflict is in the world, the refugees coming to Europe will be fighting age black and brown men!”

 

And that’s going to hold true for this conflict.

 

Now that might be coincidental in other cases but certainly with Iran this is the double, not the double edged sword but like the win-win situation for Israel. They get to destabilise nations by direct war against their like direct competitors. But they also get to destabilise their so-called “allies” in terms of European nations in America with all these displaced people who then through their human rights groups and refugee groups and these kind of NGOs get to set up migration routes into the countries who are supposedly their allies that they help destabilise. The knock on for politics in this country, unfortunately there won’t be much because we don’t have much of a choice. And if Reform was in power at the moment it would probably be just balls out gung-ho for Israel. So what choice do you have in this country? I mean it’s probably less than anywhere else.

 

Mark Collett: I will say though, I think Yuro is right in what he said. Every day that Rupert Lowe spends not endorsing Israel is a victory from our point of view. You know, I know that might sound like a cucky thing to say, but it has been so long since we’ve had anybody in any form of position of genuine power who hasn’t immediately been a slave to Israel. And it’s one of the things that Tommy Robinson’s been quite upset actually by a number of things Rupert Lowe has said and done. I don’t know if you saw, but Tommy Robinson said:

 

“You know, Rupert Lowe needs to clarify whether black people can be British. Rupert Lowe needs to clarify his position on all these things!”

 

Well, I find that very interesting because that suggests that Tommy and his handlers are getting quite nervous that Rupert isn’t going to be the Zio lap dog they hoped he would.

 

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Natty: Yeah, the kind of the cucked civnat stuff that always bends towards this like piss-weak conservatism, as we’ve seen with Reform, where it just turns out they’re just as I mean they’re not really even civic nationalists, they’re just Conservatives in that anyone’s British, anyone who steps foot on this island is British.

 

So yeah, I mean funnily enough, Tommy wrote, those questions from Tommy Robinson he tried to put to Rupert Lowe:

 

“We’re in the wake of the Iran war starting and Rupert Lowe not coming out in support of Israel.”

 

And all of a sudden here you’ve got Tommy Robinson popping up like fresh from snorting up lines of coke on a mirror somewhere in America asking him about the same, well as pulling the same gay ops that he tried with the BNP all those years ago, which you know about very well, Mark.

 

Yuro: And after hopping off his private jet with his son, who’s posting about it on Instagram while he begs for money from poor White people who haven’t got a dime to scrape together.

 

Natty: Yeah, Tommy Robinson, just to reiterate, is absolute scum! He is scum! Everything out of Tommy Robinson’s mouth is like a jewish handler somewhere. And that has become more and more clear! There’s no like, no intersection of lines from real dissidency in this country in the West. And Tommy Robinson, this is like a literal jewish mouthpiece being paid by Israel to say the things he does.

 

And if you think there’s some part of Tommy that’s still good or some part of him that’s still worth listening to, then you simply haven’t been paying attention. And you need to, I don’t know, get with the programme or get your head right, because he’s evil, he’s terrible, and he’s a scumbag!

 

Mark Collett: I concur.

 

So I think we’ve had a pretty robust chat. We’re going to do the Superchats in a couple of seconds. If you want a Superchat, please do.

 

But I’ll say this, I think in conclusion. I’ve said this many times before, but the judeo-American empire is the greatest threat to the world!

 

Yuro: And I’ve said they are the great Satan!

 

Mark Collett: Well, it’s not just the greatest threat, is it to White people. Now we obviously are fundamentally our thoughts are for White people. That’s the most important thing for us, that we look after people of European descent.

 

However, it’s not just people of European descent that suffer under the judeo-American State. Obviously Arabs suffer immensely.

 

And a lot of the problems created by the judeo-American States, actions such as these unnecessary wars, these toppling of sovereign regimes, the murder of government leaders in foreign countries, like Colonel Gaddafi. And look, when we say this, we’re not saying that Colonel Gaddafi is our hero or that we loved everything he did, but he was stopping millions of people passing through his country and entering Europe. And I’m sure that when he was toppled, there were many people within the Israeli regime and many leading jews in America and Europe that were very happy that there was going to be even more migrants headed to Europe.

 

And I believe that the only real way that the world can achieve freedom is for the judeo-American Empire to fall. I don’t know whether you guys agree with that. Obviously have 30 seconds each to sum up, or a minute or whatever you need.

 

Natty: That’s totally correct! And that is the line of, like I said a second ago, real dissidency, and this kind of rightoid, Right-wing, edgy conservatism. Like you said, the judeo-American Empire is the threat, is the problem! And if you’re not willing to say that, if you’re not willing to like cheer on its losses, then you’re not on the same level as you should be. I mean, you’re not where you should be. And I’m sure everyone listening to this is pretty much there, but those are the lines. There’s not a Left, Right, divide. There’s not a third Worldist, whatever it is, divide. It’s just you’re either hoping for this evil entity to fail or you’re not at this point. But, and we’re seeing, hopefully we’re seeing part of it sailing here. We’re going to see it fail more and more.

 

So that’s what I’m looking forward to. Not just that, but the visceral feeling when you, like you said, see a cluster munition raining down on Tel Aviv, feels good too. So enjoy it.

 

Yuro: White people the world over shall not be free until organised jewry is disempowered! Inshallah!

 

Mark Collett: That [chuckling] was the most concise you’ve been all night mate. Superb!

 

So, yeah, I think it’s been a very productive stream this evening.

 

And I think we’ve talked about a lot of things that people would want us to talk about. And without being boastful, I think that tonight we’ve kind of hit on more or less every major point, unless we haven’t.

 

But I think we put a lot of effort, obviously into ensuring that we did hit every major talking point tonight. And this was the, probably, I’d say the most comprehensive coverage of this particular issue that anyone will get. So I’m hoping that you guys enjoyed it. And we are going to do the Superchats now.

 

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So thank you to everyone who has Superchatted. And if you haven’t, there is obviously still time. And remember, if you do send a financial contribution, it’s gratefully received because it’s what allows me to keep doing things like this and doing these streams.

 

Anyway, Mr. Skywalker gave $3. Thank you so much! And he said:

 

“You and Red Ice were definitely correct about ZOG’s superior tactical advantage, which I never doubted. Still Iran and its proxies and have fared better than expected. Landing hits on ZOG’s military assets.”

 

And he goes on with another $3 and said:

 

“It appears ZOG is carpet bombing civilian structures in Iran now, as many military bases and missile sites are up to a thousand feet below ground, very difficult to destroy. Do you think ZOG will use ICBMs?”

 

I think we’ve said that actually that fundamentally we are seeing probably a better sort of defense than people may have initially thought. However, obviously going up against the judeo-American empire is absolutely not an easy thing to do they are doing better than we thought.

 

And interestingly, the Americans are already resorting to these horrific tactics of bombing civilian structures. Do you think Trump would go as far as using an ICBM?

 

Natty: It’s possible. You know, who knows? At every juncture where you think Trump isn’t going to do something, you know, sometimes, well, quite often he will just go ahead and do it. The problem with nukes is, one that’s a line that if you cross has real implications. If you drop a nuke on a country just because you started a war and are then subsequently losing that war,

 

Yuro: If you started a war to stop them having nukes and then when you have lost you use them!

 

Natty: Yeah, it kind of undermines, it’s a massive red line. Like I said, probably implications that none of us even can think about at this stage.

 

The second thing is, nukes, for all this talk of tactical nukes, they’re a surface weapon. You detonate them above ground. So they don’t really, in this war against Iran, they don’t really have like a tactical purpose and they would only be used to destroy, like, surface, weak, soft civilian targets, like cities. I mean, nukes are designed to be used on cities that are all like massed troop build-ups, which Iran doesn’t have. So morally it would be reprehensible and tactically it’d be stupid. Although it would just, it would literally just be against civilians. To use them in this war would be like, against civilian targets.

 

Yuro: Yeah, it wouldn’t benefit them one bit. And there’s no way that Russia and China would not respond to it. And that’s not saying that they would launch nukes themselves, but there would have to be some kind of bigger response from them. To get more actively involved.

 

Mark Collett: And I think Natty hit the real point here. The only time nukes have ever been used are on civilian targets. They are not a weapon that is used really for military sites. There’s all this talk of:

 

“Oh, well, people have got tactical nukes now, and a tactical nuke does this and the fallout’s not as great.”

 

And we’ve heard all of these sort of takes before, but fundamentally the only proven use for a nuke is to be used against a civilian target. That’s just the way it is.

 

And I personally believe that if the Americans did this and took it down that route, it would be this fundamental turning point that I’m not sure the world could recover from that you know, it’s happened obviously twice before and it was horrific what the Americans did to the Japanese. But to do it now and for America to be doing it because they started the war and it wasn’t going their way, I think the world would change in a way that we probably couldn’t actually completely understand right now! But I don’t think it will go nuclear.

 

Thank you so much for the two Superchats, though. Ruins in a Landscape gave $50. Thank you so much for such a generous Superchat. Bay of Kings gave $5. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Thanks, Mark. It appears Natty’s dropped out.”

 

One of his devices has come unconnected, it says on the screen. I’m sure he’ll be back. Arab Social Nationalist gave $10. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Thoughts on the spectacle of the Nigerian leader of the opposition, Olukemi Olufuntu Adagoki Badenok and Farage arguing that Starmer hasn’t done enough for the Yanks. There is no opposition in the British establishment. Ignore a whisper of dissent in Parliament. War for jews unites the establishment.”

 

I think this is very interesting. And obviously Badenock and Farage are looking at what got Trump to power. Now, fundamentally, Farage and Badenok are both out of power at the moment and I think they’re both kissing up to Israel as much as they can, hoping that that will be their ticket to a Trump style run at Parliament. And let’s face it, although at the moment Farage is the favourite to win the next general election, that can all change. And he is looking at sort of shoring up his position. But Kemi Badenok is looking at going into a general election where she will be decimated.

 

So it is interesting to see both Badenoch and Farage fighting to see who can be the most philo-semitic on this particular issue.

 

But I’ll say this, and this isn’t meant to be like a cold way to leave the stream, or a black pill at the end or anything of the sort. But there are still an awful lot, and I call them Boomers because they generally are from that sort of age bracket. Now, it’s not to say all Boomers are evil, but there generally is this sort of Boomer mentality of:

 

“Well, bomb them all! Get rid of the Arabs! We need to support Israel! They’re our greatest ally!”

 

And that rhetoric does still appeal to, I would say, a sizable portion of the Boomer population.

 

Natty: Yeah, I agree. And because they don’t really want to think about it and the implications of it. So looks like:

 

“Oh, something else is going on. Well, to hell with them all! Just blow them all up! Bloody Arabs!”

 

And that’s a cultivated mentality. That’s not an accident that people say things like that and think things like that. This callous, cold, bloodthirsty, you know, mentality that’s been instilled in people through, I mean, basically like a real use of the term racism, where it’s:

 

“Yeah, Arabs are like dirty brown people and killing them anywhere is good!”

 

It’s like well, a normal human being, a moral human being doesn’t actually think that way. And if you’ve been led into thinking that some like, cartoon villain version of like, I don’t know, like a Western man, is ridiculous and retarded and immoral, and the people who put that idea in your head have taken a long time to do it, but have succeeded, if you come out making statements like that.

 

Yuro: And to the extent that it is a naturally occurring phenomenon, it’s as a result of having the Pakistani rape gangs that jewish people and organisations brought here and having the Sunni Wahhabi terrorists who are created by the funding of Saudi Arabia and Israel’s allies.

 

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Natty: Oh, yeah, when Israel needed a recruiting ground for ISIS to destabilise Syria, they just used our country. And the overspill where like little girls were getting blown up in concerts or people were getting stabbed on London Bridge, that was exceptional.

 

Yuro: It’s just a bonus to them.

 

Natty: Yeah, that was just like a little side project for them.

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you so much, guys. We’ll go on to the next Superchat. It’s from Tomorrow’s Victims who gave $5. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“The vast majority of us here in Yank land do not want the stupid war. Cheers to all my UK people.”

 

Thank you so much! Some Guy 14 gave $10. Thank you so much! And he subscribed for $10. Well, that’s much appreciated. Remember, you can subscribe to me over on Entropy and Rumble, and that means you make a monthly donation.

 

And obviously on Entropy you can subscribe for any amount and Rumble is fixed, $5. But on Rumble, we’ve got a good number of subs now, a good number of followers, and if we had sort of 4 or 500 subs, that would just be phenomenal! And obviously it would really help me financially and it wouldn’t really make a massive difference to people as $5 is what, the price of a large can of Red Bull these days. But if enough people did that, it’d make a huge difference to me.

 

We also have one Superchat over on Rumble, only one tonight, and it’s from Archie P007. Thank you so much! Okay, $5. And you said:

 

“I was all in with Trump, the great awakening and all that he has sold his soul for Israeli gold. No one wins a war, only the people suffer always. Follow the money. Trump is Israel first, it seems.”

 

Well, yeah, I mean, I obviously, I completely agree with that. Trump is Israel first. And Trump is someone who is absolutely committed to Israel, I think, in a way that I’m not sure we’ve ever seen before. I don’t think we’ve ever seen a president this committed to the state of Israel, which is obviously interesting in itself to say that, to say we’ve never had a president that is this committed to Israel, but he certainly is.

 

And at the moment, he is proving his loyalty to that nation to an unbelievable point! And whether this works for him in the long run or not, who knows? But I think it’s fair to say that he is risking everything for his loyalty to people who, …

 

And the interesting thing with these people is they did not support him when he was out in the wilderness. One of the interesting things with Trump is when he was saying:

 

“Look, the election was rigged.”

 

Netanyahu was actually the first foreign leader to say to Biden, to congratulate Biden on his victory. Can you remember that? I mean, Trump went mental about that at the time because he thought Netanyahu was his best friend. But it just goes to show, Trump isn’t actually. Well, he doesn’t actually have any principles whatsoever, does he? Trump is actually a guy that the Israelis can kick him, they can treat him like he’s their boy, their little dog. And when it comes down to it, he will take it time and again.

 

Natty: Yeah, I mean the only difference, just to add the only difference is how open it is now. I mean, like I said earlier, the other president have probably done everything to the detriment of their own people on behalf of Israel. But Trump is just open about it and everyone gets it and everyone knows now and he’s just still ploughing ahead with it. So there’s the difference with this one.

 

Mark Collett: Anything to add Yuro?

 

Yuro: No, no, I think we’ve covered most of that already.

 

Mark Collett: Okay, well look, that brings us to the end of the stream.

 

Thank you so much to everyone who has been here and obviously if you haven’t Superchatted and you’re watching this on replay, you can donate anytime you like on replay.

 

And if you do support these streams, especially these long form discussions which take a reasonable amount of time to prepare and we put a lot of effort into, please do consider sending a Superchat and we will keep doing them. Anyway guys, if you want to say good night, we’ll go around the group and then we will wrap things up.

 

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Natty: Night guys. I have been looking at the chat and there’s been a lot of like pretty decent discussion in there. So I appreciate everyone who’s been here and you know, it’s good, it’s good getting all this down and talking about this because a lot of this stuff is beyond the kind of political divide that you see in this country between even nationalists who say things like:

 

“Oh, I don’t care about either side and they can kill each other!”

 

And that’s like the best you can hope for out of supposed Right-wingers and dissidents in this country. But I think a sober analysis and a sober talk about what it all means and what’s happening is worthwhile. So thanks to you two and thanks to the chat for turning up and I’ll see you around.

 

Yuro: Yeah, thanks for having me on. It’s been a good talk with both of you. Obviously we do get a bit of this chat going on with the A-Team, which I’m no longer going to be with because Sam’s back unless I’m a stand-in when someone’s away. But it was good to talk about this stuff. And maybe going forward I will get back into doing some sort of show again on my own. Maybe I’ll revive TASOB. Who knows?

 

Natty: Be very happy if you revived TASOB, buddy. So look forward to it.

 

Mark Collett: Well, look, thank you to both of you, it’s been a great chat. I just want to wrap things up by saying thank you to everybody.

 

Well, thank you first to Natty and Yuro for giving up their evenings. You know, obviously we enjoy doing this. We’re friends in real life and I think we’ve got pretty good chemistry and I think it’s been a pretty entertaining stream. I would also like to say a huge thank you to everyone who donated. Remember, you can donate at any point you wish.

 

And finally, a massive thank you to everybody who tuned in. We had really good attendance night. Lots of people tuning in, lots of people enjoying the stream and a really sort of quick, moving, interesting discussion on both the Odysee and the Rumble chat.

 

So thank you to everyone who participated.

 

Anyway, I won’t be back on Sunday. It was unlikely I’ll be back on Sunday because it was my son’s birthday this week and we’re having a little party for him on Sunday. So that will likely be something that may run on and I don’t really want to be rushing through that to do a Sunday night film review or stream. I probably just want to enjoy just a little bit of family time, which I’m sure no one begrudges me. And I will be doing that.

 

Anyway, I’ll be back on Wednesday for Patriotic Weekly Review. Until then, thank you everybody, good night and look after yourselves.

 

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Mark Collett
9 days ago
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@RonP1
9 days ago
On YT comments, I’ve noticed more people seem to be realising that Kosher Tommy’s brand of Nationalism is fraudulent & serves no purpose to British people.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Like the English, the Iranians have no other country. Resistance is the only option.

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Aspect of Divinity
5 days ago
I pray to God that the Iranian people succeed in their war against the Zionists and their Western puppets

@RonP1
9 days ago
A safe rule: Never get into bed with the Jew

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago
I have a cousin that married a Jewess. He is dead to me. I used to talk to his Mom frequently and she would complain how his wife basically ended Christmas in their family and how she’s rarely allowed to see her grandchild. I eventually told her “well what do you expect, he married a Jew”. She won’t talk to me anymore lol. My whole family is a bunch of sleepers, but that particular family is fuked. Her other son adopted a South Korean baby when he could have adopted a White baby. I’m done with that whole family.

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@RonP1
8 days ago
Not a good move, I guess people who are not race-conscious fall into this trap,
they probably believe ‘It’s just a religion’ and end up with an ugly contaminated baby

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago
Especially someone who marries a Jew, not much you can do there, especially once kids are involved. Even if they subconsciously start to realize their mistake, not only will they never attribute it to the spouse being a Jew, but they are caught in a bind not easily remedied. Same with White people who adopt non-White kids. Dead to me. If there was any possibility to fixing them in the past, that possibility is long gone.

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@RonP1
8 days ago
Imagine working out their Holo story is BS, but having to go along with it for the rest of your life because the wife is Jewish! lol

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago(edited)
I have my doubts my cousin would ever believe at any point that the holo story is a hoax. An old friend of my family also has a son who married a Jewess and from what I know about the 2 families, they are identical – the Jewess wears the pants, the family is Jewish to the core and Whiteness and Christianity has been stripped away. It’s pathetic.

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@Theos19
6 days ago
Sounds like jgew hollywood did its work well on that family bro, sorry to hear this. There is nothing more shameful for a white man than to have a mixed breed child. Adopting another child not of your race is one of the most cucked things you can do. Raising another mans offspring with resources that should be for your own – how f-cking cucked is that. Someone else fcked your girl and put a kid in her, and you are raising their kid LOL. I was in the queue for the checkout once and I got caught staring at a man with his yellow wife (fat b-tch) and his mixed breed freakish looking son, I was with my wife and son around the same age. I couldn’t help but stare, it was like looking at a crash at the side of the road, or someone freakish you know? The cashier had to call me out and ask if she could help. After he noticed me the guy looked crestfallen and his yellow wife didn’t have any respect for him whatsoever lol.

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Alice1488
8 days ago
I’m ashamed to admit that I started out as anti jihad, solely because of my job… I tried to rescue English girls from Pakistani Muslims who were mass raping torturing them, I did 20 years in my profession and saw the government as 100% anti White, anti English in every way. Mark et al helped me understand the truth!

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@Theos19
6 days ago
Were you a social worker? I recall some of your comments on live chats over the years, harrowing stuff. Thank you for trying to stand up to evil. God will recognize his own.

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Alice1488
6 days ago
Yes for 20 years! I did rescue many English girls, the youngest was age 8! The government is extremely anti White.

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@RonP1
9 days ago
Purim explained…
“One of the principal Jewish feast-days is that of Purim. This feast is an orgy of hate against Haman, the story of whom is found in the Book of Esther of the Old Testament. The story, which is probably a myth, is that Xerxes, King of Persia, became enamoured of a Jewess, Esther, and made her Queen in place of his rightful wife. Haman, the King’s minister, complained to him of the conduct of the Jews who, he said, did not keep the laws, and obtained from the King an order to slay them. Esther pleaded with the King and prevailed upon him to summon Haman to a banquet. There, Queen Esther further prevailed upon the King to spare the Jews and hang Haman on a gallows prepared for the execution of her guardian. Instead of the Jews being destroyed, their enemies were slaughtered, including Haman’s ten sons, who were hanged. This feast is often celebrated by an exhibition of gluttony, intoxication, and curses on the memory of Haman; and even to this day in London, the Jewish bakers make cakes in the shape of human ears which are eaten by the Jews on this day, and are called “Haman’s Ears,” revealing once again the inherent hate and barbarism of the Jew in our midst”
JRM by Arnold Leese

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago(edited)
The Young Turks, Anna K and all that group are not “awakening”. They are still anti-White and that will never change. While Anna does have harsh words for Jews as well as Israel, she and TYT are still anti-White libtards. Please stop blowing a load in your shorts because you think she’s hot. It is, indeed, simp behavior and quite embarrassing for us all.
She is/They are ANTI-WHITE. Got it?
Covington was right. Being pro-White is something Whites have a really hard time doing, even those that are racially conscious.

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Judy_Izzum
8 days ago
anti-white or not, she is still the guest of honour at my hand party

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@RonP1
9 days ago
Civ Nat = Kosher Nationalism

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Trump comes from the jewish community. He has been around them his entire life. They made his career in realestate in New York. He has belonged to them his whole adult life.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Remember: these jews bombed Qatar to kill Hamas’s chief negotiator. They’re out of control, and they cannot be negotiated with.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
It’s not that they don’t think about it: the British establishment is actively antagonistic towards native British people; it’s not indifference, it’s active malice.

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@noreplacement
9 days ago
Jews, Muslims, darkies in general. They all gotta go

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago(edited)
Next false flag: Nuclear attack on USA, EU country or both. Could be an EMP nuke instead of ground attack.
Lots of dissent for this war on both sides of political aisle, they need something like a “9/11” to force more Westerners to support the war. Approval is falling hard. They need a false flag event. Also would “justify” nuking Iran.

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Truth hurts
8 days ago
Shalom

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9 days ago
Excellent episode title. Spot-on. Thanks for your incredibly important work, Mark.

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Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
THE JEW CRIES OUT IN PAIN AS HE SHITS HIMSELF AT THE BOMB SHELTER!

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Secure the future of our people
9 days ago

@Jagdtiger
yes I know a jew was in charge of the Armenian genocide. And the fact that Armenians are Christians made it so much enjoyable for the jews.

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Secure the future of our people
9 days ago

@Natty
I like that the left woke up to the jq but make no mistake they still hate white men. And want white genocide.

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago
The left did not “wake up to the Jewish question”. They still love and defend Jews. They do not see the Israel problem as a Jewish problem, they see it as a White Supremacy problem. I know it all sounds so contradictory and stupid, but that is what you get with a brainwashed group of people. They only oppose and support what they are told to, without thinking about it.

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Prison Ships
9 days ago
The Honourable Pastor Chuck Baldwin leads +40k AntiZionist Christians out of Liberty Fellowship Montana.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Tommy Robinson drives a Bentley, all while his rightoid followers pay for his “legal fund”.

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Alice1488
8 days ago
The likes are 101 and they need to be 109! Or 110, 111 etc

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Edelweiß
8 days ago
Unless Judeo-Christian civilization is destroyed, the European race will die. Crush Jehovah! Hail Jupiter and give us victory!

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Alice1488
8 days ago
We Whites must destroy the enemy race; they have relentlessly been attempted to destroy us for centuries! We Whites, of European descent must end this madness for the sake of all humanity.

@Aunt-Sally
9 days ago
it was a bit like watching the A-Team but without the game and gay dancing tbf

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Natty
9 days ago
night guys

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Cheers goyim \o

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@RonP1
9 days ago(edited)
Remember before the 2016 election when the bell end said he would re-investigate 9/11 if he ever got into power

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Ulrich22
9 days ago
most people dont have real opinion at all. they all hope that it goes away and they can forget about it like they did for the last 80 years or so.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Decades of Hollywood propaganda had a big part in it.

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@Aunt-Sally
9 days ago
Well done lads, I’ve learned a lot tonight

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Alice1488
8 days ago
Me too, watching on replay! My friends dog is healing well, and has thoroughly enjoyed the chicken , skin and stock .

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Imagine a future Britain that has normal relations with foreign countries. It’s not asking for much.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago

@MarkCollett
– Starmer SAYS he’s not getting involved, but as we know from Gaza, he can assist Israel secretly. Don’t be quick to believe his public stance.

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@Stryker!
9 days ago

@VesselofGrace
I may have to return to my roots. lol

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
“Peace through perpetual war, goyim!”

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@N-towerConstructor
9 days ago
No Iranian ever called me a goyim

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MarcoEire
9 days ago
I don’t like this new term “Epstein regime” it takes away from “ZOG”, which is much more poignant.

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago
“ZOG” deters from Jew though.

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Bronze Green Oakwood
5 days ago
“I’m surprised he hasn’t drowned in jewish semen”
That came out of nowhere, nearly spat out my drink there.

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago(edited)
“We tried the internet and spent years tapping to one another on keyboards, because we bought into the idea that ‘education’ was the answer, and if we could just get the truth to people, then things would change. Well, education without action isn’t worth a bucket of warm spit. We got the truth to people, all right, and it turned out to be nothing but a bunch of noise that was simply ignored, because the internet was where it stayed. Nobody ever did anything except tap on keyboards. Tapping on keyboards was no threat to them, we just let off steam and nothing changed. It is now crystal clear to any white man with two brain cells to rub together that the only thing that will make these dogs in power hear the word no is the sound of…”
Brigade

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
They are banking on the Americanisation of British politics, and I think they’re miscalculating.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
You’re not as much in the wilderness as you think, Mark. It’s the Dissident right that has moved the mainstream to the Jewish Question.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
I wouldn’t lend a jew my lighter, much less die for him. Imagine it.

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MarcoEire
9 days ago

@ArabSocialNationalist
His father before him was the exact same.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Iran, in principle, doesn’t want to be anyone’s vassal. They want mutually beneficial relationships, not to be a junior partner.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
This relationship with Russia is new. Historically, Iran didn’t have options for buying a new airforce, plus they’re fixated on developing their own capabilities.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
The jew stands atop a pile of dead children and declares “AND WHAT, GOY?”

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
The strength of the jew is that he is bold, and he is willing to shock the enemy with acts of depravity that are unthinkable for normal people.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
There’s no nobility in Western leadership anymore. These decrepit democracies have allowed the lowest filth of society to take power. Good men, sound men, competent men, are locked out of power.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
You can’t be pro-White and drive wedges between Western countries the way Trump does. He’s a diplomatic vandal.

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@why
9 days ago
lol.. its a fun song

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@Germanicus
9 days ago
Purimfest 2026, that’s what I’m calling it

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@noreplacement
9 days ago
Howdy good folk

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Natty
9 days ago
howdy troops

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@Stryker!
9 days ago
Lana Loktef or Anna K….choose one

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago(edited)
Dumb question on a channel like this. Anna K is a commie leftist no matter what her views
are on Israel and even Jews. She still believes Whites are evil. She is Anti-White! Lana, on the other hand, it 100% OUR PEOPLE. So, again, dumb question.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
They’re White enough, for goodness sake.

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago(edited)
I generally like your comments, but as semite you’re non-White thus you have no place defining who is and is not “White”. That is OUR turf. Respect the boundaries (pun intended).

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@why
9 days ago
jews rock

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@why
9 days ago
I LOVE JEWS

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@why
9 days ago
bruh jews rock

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@why
9 days ago
wtf

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@why
9 days ago
jews behind it all????

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@why
9 days ago
gubbermints

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@why
9 days ago
bayonet up the bum is gonna feel like a good option

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Truth hurts
9 days ago(edited)
This comment was slimed to death. (Click to view)

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– 🗲 GamerMosleyMomentUK 🗲 –
8 days ago
Maybe not all you Jews are paedophiles, but enough are that we can make these generalizations.

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9 days ago

@Aunt-Sally
brutal

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
o/

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
maybe switch every episode between players so all can play?

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
good night volks

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@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
o/

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
That seems like an age ago

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Boomers-of-the-soul, I call them. And they are mostly evil. It’s okay to say so.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Trump is capable of going nut and ordering a nuclear strike. He kept asking about it during his first term, apparently.

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8 days ago
I believe nuclear false flag first on USA, EU or bother, then they blame Iran and will nuke Iran.

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Secure the future of our people
9 days ago

@Jagdtiger
hahaha

Truth hurts
9 days ago(edited)
As far as the ” Greater Israel ” is concerned, Israel has every right to annexe terriories from Judea and Samaria,not because of ” biblical rights ” but because ever since Israel was created has faced constant aggressive wars from its neighbours..
When an aggresor wages a war and looses he has to pay a price.
Palestinians had many chances to create their own state yet they rejected everyone.

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@W_Poe_White
8 days ago
“ever since Israel was created”
The creation of Israel was itself the original massive aggression which initiated all the interminable ongoing wars and unrest.
“Palestinians had many chances to create their own state”
The Zionists would never allow any viable, truly independent Palestinian state to arise. Such an option has never been on the negotiating table. The Zionist maximalists were determined to complete the ethnic cleansing of Palestine begun with the Nakba right from the beginning. Such hardliners have been openly running Israeli governments since Likud was first elected in 1977, and even before that exercised power from behind the scenes. For example, the creation of the Israeli nuclear weapon capability led by Shimon Perez at the behest of Ben Gurion; and the hardliner initiation of the 1967 Six Day War to take control of the West Bank and Golan Heights.

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Truth hurts
8 days ago
So you think that when Israel was created in 1948 ,by concetration camps survivors and a few others and was attacked by 5 Arab countries ,it was able to conduct an aggressive war.Ok

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Truth hurts
9 days ago
So you guys think that if Israel is destroyed, UK and USA will be safer with the goat loving Agiadolahs, who beleive martyrdom and the 72 virgins ,being in charge of Iran’s nuclear arsenal.
That’s fine.

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@W_Poe_White
8 days ago
The only reason Muslims pose even the slightest threat to the US or UK is because Jewish-led elites have mass imported them into the US and UK as part of their Great Replacement. The Great Replacement is the Jewish master strategy for stealing White nations from their people. It is not merely Muslims being mass imported. It is infinity non-Whites, both Muslim and non-Muslim.
Jewish supremacism is the fundamental problem, never part of the solution.

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Truth hurts
8 days ago
Wow .I didnt know that the Pakistanis and the Somalians are in the UK because of Israel. Thank you for letting me know.

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@W_Poe_White
8 days ago
Pakistanis and other immivaders are in the UK because of powerful British Jews and the treasonous elites like Tony Blair who are allied with them. Jewish supremacism includes but is very far from being limited to Zionism.

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Truth hurts
7 days ago
Blair brought the Pakistanis
ok.

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@W_Poe_White
7 days ago
You really are clueless about history. There were some Pakistanis in Britain before Blair but it was Blair’s New Labor government which opened the floodgates to mass non-White immigration into the UK. I recall reading an article by Keith Woods a few years ago about this. He quoted statistics.

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TDOF
5 days ago
Read:
https://archive.org/details/the-death-of-fragility-2nd-edition_202507

@ゼロHope
6 days ago
1:37:25
It is far more accurate to say Trump is saying, do as a I say and i’ll shot. There is no out option for Iran. It’s like “shame they won’t come to the table” but also Unconditional surrender, and we blew up the table and the guy negotiating with us.
There is nothing to negotiate. This is like the last time we attacked Iran, Trump started with the negotiating position of, “bomb yourself.” What is there to even to discuss? Especially after killing the pope-king of shia islam. You can’t simply do that, declare victory and leave. Everything of value with in striking distance, Iran will strike. They have choice, they couldn’t surrender if they wanted to.

Kevin
6 days ago
Ben Gavir currently in hospital and his house burning. so yes, we have seen such attacks

Kevin
6 days ago
they did hit one of the carriers with a drone, but they moved them too far away. why dont you know anything about what you are trying to talk about?

Kevin
6 days ago
Russia can’t produce infinite airplanes! come on! they don’t even have enough planes for their own war

Kevin
6 days ago
Russia is helping and Russia has made many public statements, they are just not covered. before the whole thing started every day Russia was sending plane after plane of weapons to them. Russia also spoke to Trump today and seems to have warned him they won’t let the US topple the government. right after Trump started talking about backing out.

@Kubatism
8 days ago
You are probably right, but the Venezuelan stuff also points to a broader context not discussed here – the China future war. All Chinese allies: Russia (bogged down in Ukraine), Venezuela (oil), Iran (supports Russian war effort and oil) you’ve got South Africa next (the current Afrikaner emigration policy of US, Ramaphosa humiliated) you’ve got only Brazil and India left – and India won’t help China

Alice1488
8 days ago
I love listening to Mark, Natty and Yuro! Actually real information about what’s going on! I pray that Isreal is nuked!

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
ALOHA SNACKBAR

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
lol

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Warren Balogh is the master of this line of thinking

@Natty

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
The Colonel’s Fried Chicken was the best

0KT0BER
9 days ago
https://rocketreach.co/orla-minihane-email_748059991

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
DIdn’t he mention Ian Wright in particular?

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
In British politics, crumbs from politicians feel like a slap up meal, alas.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
That agreement still has legal force in Libya, if the EU decides to keep up their part.

@vengeance
9 days ago
i dont though

@vengeance
9 days ago
dawson agrees with you mark

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6rg_Haider

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
I think every leader will get assassinated that are against jews. Remember that Austrian far right prime minister that was killed in a strange car crash?

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@W_Poe_White
8 days ago
Jörg Haider, killed in a car crash in 2008 while leading the polls in elections to the Austrian parliament.
“[Haider] was Governor of Carinthia on two occasions, the long-time leader of the Freedom Party of Austria (FPÖ) and later Chairman of the Alliance for the Future of Austria (Bündnis Zukunft Österreich, BZÖ), a breakaway party from the FPÖ….. Haider died in a car accident shortly after leading the BZÖ in the 2008 Austrian parliamentary elections.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6rg_Haider

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
It’s because he’s thick, Mark. It’s as simple as that.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Yes Trump’s crass vulgarity and his lack of discretion and restraint have helped a lot.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
*more

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Lowe is a tory of the soul, and he’s on a journey. Perhaps he will do it.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
This stream is the funniest :joy:

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
kek

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
They’re not National Socialists, but they don’t need to be.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
We crank anti-semites are vindicated. Years of naming them, against the protests of pearl-clutching rightoids is bearing fruit. Enjoy the compliment.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago

@utopia148800
the donmeh Turks were jews

Natty
9 days ago

@utopia148800
i get it, shes right now though

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
kek

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
It’s like a British person working for an Indian as a servant.

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9 days ago

@Natty
Yeah but working for people who genocided you shows a lack of self respect.

Natty
9 days ago

@utopia148800
everyone comes from somewhere buddy

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Come on Mark an Armenian woman working for Turks? I like people with self respect.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
She wants to be careful though. Sometimes, she’s seconds from throwing Romans.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
hahaha

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9 days ago
NO HE IS GREEN!!!

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
She is Armenian

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
MAGA or MIGA

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Tucker is a very naughty goy. He might end up having some sort of accident.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Tucker was recently denounced by Trum and kicked out of the “MAGA” movement.

Obscure Truth
9 days ago
The Iranians have developed small submarines that are essentially underwater “drones” with which they can target American ships. It’s not just missiles that are a threat to Americans.

@Stryker!
9 days ago
Had a boomer tell me yesterday: “thank g-d trump bombed Iran. My grandbabbies are safe” hhhhWuuuuut???

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
My beloved Ana. Watching her journey has been terrific.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
+his jewish mentor

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Yep

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
lots of Russian cargo planes delivered something to Iran

Obscure Truth
9 days ago
We don’t know because help would certainly not go through official channels. Who knows how much Russian aid actually is.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
“You have the clock, but we have the time” – Some Ayatollah.

@bagelsandloxism
9 days ago
they have hypersonic Iran is an advanced country

@vengeance
9 days ago
there are no more missles. they cant be made any faster.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
lawnmowers of mass destruction

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
they say 80%

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
then the party starts

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Yeah they’ve used the old stock to drain the AD systems. The good stuff is yet to come, when the jews run out of American interceptors

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
I hope they wait for the interceptors to be used up first

@vengeance
9 days ago
death, death

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
lol

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
lol

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9 days ago
or Mario

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Iran has no allies only jew controlled enemies.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
It’s becoming impossible for Iranian moderates to argue against getting the nuclear bomb.

Ulrich22
9 days ago
they suck

Ulrich22
9 days ago
lol russia cant do shit

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
It didn’t help Syria

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Sanctions – and historic Russian reluctance to sell them jets

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
because that costs a ton of money

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
I’m sure that fatwa still stands now that he’s dead.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Iran has this hyper-fixation on self-sufficiency. It’s noble, but it’s not always the best way.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
China will look at this shitshow and conclude that they’ll defeat the Americans if they attempt to stop unification with Taiwan.

Ulrich22
9 days ago
russia and the US suck

Ulrich22
9 days ago
endless whataboutism

@noreplacement
9 days ago
The heat pumps are good for some things. But not homes and DHW

@noreplacement
9 days ago
Heat pumps are noisy and do not get hot enough. We have one

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
Winter in Europe will get interesting

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
110%

@Natty

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
can you imagine making love to jigsaw

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
imagine the smell…

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago

@DoubleOhSieben
I wonder what his reaction was when he first saw her knob?

@noreplacement
9 days ago

@DoubleOhSieben
yuck.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Nihil sub sōle novum, governments have been doing this since the dawn of time since the first peasant revolts.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
he needed to attack before the midterms

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Trump is in constant touch with Laura Loomer, and he thinks that she is connected to the base and he listens to her jewish lies.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Franco,

@MarkCollett
Let’s not forget Franco. He lasted till the 70s.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago

@utopia148800
Doing that might be the point of no return.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago

@ArabSocialNationalist
it depends how much murder the government is willing to commit and I think they will just start mass killing people.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
The Peace President

Obscure Truth
9 days ago
Of course, everything was done on purpose, I wouldn’t be surprised if they said that the girls read Mein Kampf.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
They could topple the regime. The monarchy is despised.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
Murdoch Murdoch episode with the Trump train lol

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9 days ago

@DoubleOhSieben
LOL!

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Andrew Neill looks like a clump of haemorrhoids

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
gross

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9 days ago
HAHAHAHAHA

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
They think they can make the state collapse, which means that they refuse to believe that Iran is a real, capable country. This tendency to underestimate and insult the enemy could be their undoing. They did the same with Yemen. They couldn’t understand the resilience of the Yemenis.

@noreplacement
9 days ago

@ArabSocialNationalist
shows the power of PR and sticking to the script

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
they wanted to hit the girls school

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago

@utopia148800
yes!

@noreplacement
9 days ago

@why
who is that aimed at?

Natty
9 days ago

@why
do we?

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9 days ago

@Jagdtiger
I don’t know it’s all the same fake terrorist org working for israel

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
We’ve been assured they do “surgical strikes” for decades. Either they can, or they can’t – or they won’t. It’s clearly deliberate.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
“Iran military says Strait of Hormuz remains open, but any US, Israeli ship will be targeted” lol

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9 days ago

@why
9 days ago
yet you support faggots who want to blame women and hitler — like keith woods and nativist

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
isis k

@utopia148800

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
You guys remember when a jew was screaming at a Russia Today reporter that Russia will pay for supporting Iran than a few months later a giant ISIS terrorist attack was launched at a Russian Mall?

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
they did the legal games with the German soldiers after the war, too. Instead of POW, called them Disarmed Enemy Forces. To circumvent the Geneva conventions.

0KT0BER
9 days ago
Terror Cimbricus

@noreplacement
9 days ago

@ArabSocialNationalist
I don’t think America actually has allies, but I think you hinted at that

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
always, because America is controlled by jews so they essentially act as jews.

@teja
9 days ago
Trump Judenknecht!

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Yes America does betray its “allies”.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago

@ArabSocialNationalist
no people just have short memories, When Bush senior told the Shias to rebel against Saddam and America will help them than when they revolted Saddam brutally massacred them and America refused to help.

@N-towerConstructor
9 days ago
I’m waiting for the sequel to USS Liberty

Obscure Truth
9 days ago
Right.

@noreplacement
9 days ago
It’s obvious now why Trump kidnapped and took over Venezuala. Oil

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Trump, with his bad-faith fake negotiations has changed America’s international standing forever. Who on earth would do a deal with them now? He’s a diplomatic arsonist. Look what he’s done to Canada.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
Epstein clique works too

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
They are using the term regime since Saddam

@why
9 days ago
what are we talking about guys?

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
And I imagine there no advisors around Trump who are willing to tell him things he doesn’t want to hear.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Trump hates nuance, and complexity, and he wants reality to match his simplistic hopes. He wants this to be easy, and he cannot accept that it isn’t easy at all.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
or, or, jews being stoned.

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9 days ago

@why
hahah jews don’t think so. That’s why they had Sam Hyde fired.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
They’re targeting the organs of the state: police stations, hospitals, etc.

@N-towerConstructor
9 days ago
Every Single Time

Obscure Truth
9 days ago
Yes, it’s amazing how they managed to conquer all those countries one by one.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
They are the government. The capital is theirs, and they act as the state.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
I mean what do you except? Tommy is an ex convict and a petty criminal and fraudster. And He claims he is jewish.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
he went full jew slave. Bet he is circumcised too like a good slave.

@N-towerConstructor
9 days ago
Trump went full retard

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago

@Chief_Moody
Hi Chief. I understand why people follow Tommy Robinson, jews are putting tens of millions of Pounds behind him and he has a large organization and social media boost. Essentially he has hundreds of liars on the payroll.

Chief Moody
9 days ago

@ArabSocialNationalist
That is true. lol

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago

@Chief_Moody
Tommy’s been on a coke bender since October 7. I’m not sure he’s slept for three years.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Albert Einstein wrote a letter to Roosevelt imploring him to use nuclear weapons against Germany but the letter sat on Roosevelt’s desk because Roosevelt has died overnight.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
Andinia Plan

Chief Moody
9 days ago
Tommy Robinson and co have been very ghoulish over Iran. How people still support them, I’ll never understand.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
The Israelis are colonising Patagonia right now.

@noreplacement
9 days ago
Japan had already offered surrender 3 times. They still nuked ’em

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
It’s real, Natty. Israeli journalists are happy to talk about it.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
It’s real. They talk about it in Hebrew media.

Chief Moody
9 days ago
It’s very blatant what Israel are doing with Iran. It’s shameless at this point.

Based and butterfly-pilled
9 days ago

@DoubleOhSieben
Being desribed as America’s streetwalker is like getting pimped out by a literal whore

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago
Well that actually happens once an opportunistic whore ages – she becomes a pimp.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Well, there is no planning for this war. The war aims change hour to hour, and Iraq was extremely well-organised.

Based and butterfly-pilled
9 days ago

@DoubleOhSieben
It’s always demoralizing to see conservative patriots in America viewing our country’s greatest ambition as being Israel’s bitch

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Yeah they just don’t care. What will the goyim do? Nothing.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
“The Dossier”. At least they had that.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago

@DoubleOhSieben
Farage has been absolutely hysterical over this. “We have angered the Americans!”

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
9-11 made the anti-war position more difficult back then.

@noreplacement
9 days ago

@ArabSocialNationalist
Not me. The state of most young fatties, they won’t even make it to a hospice

MarcoEire
9 days ago
Has anyone else seen Asmongolds blatant warmongering?

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Once the Bush administration got away with lying about Sadam and terrorism ties and a complete fabrication of weapons of mass destruction, it was GAME OVER for government accountability.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Boomers using their final breaths to comment from their hospice beds.

@noreplacement
9 days ago
Plenty of young folk think that way too sadly

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago
100%. GenX is largely Boomer 2.0

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
The Bahraini government is illegitimate, and delusional. I wouldn’t be surprised if the government falls during this conflict. The Bahraini people stand with Iran, by and large.

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9 days ago

@noreplacement
There was a Yemeni calling in to a Bahrain TV show and the Bahrain TV host said there is no war in Bahrain

Based and butterfly-pilled
9 days ago
Bibi WhataYahoo

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Netanyahu has such contempt for the goyim. The fact that he thinks Americans are stupid is becoming very obvious. A rational person wouldn’t buy a used car from him.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago

@noreplacement
The israelis and the the jew controlled countries hiding a damage.

@noreplacement
9 days ago

@utopia148800
that’s what I meant ha ha

MarcoEire
9 days ago
All true, I wish we weren’t inundated with ai slop of Tel Aviv

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
jews and degenerates; European America is in the past.

Natty
9 days ago

@noreplacement
it only looks that way

Based and butterfly-pilled
9 days ago
The absolute state of the USA…

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Winged Lawnmowers from Hell

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
I just want to see Tel Aviv flattened.

@noreplacement
9 days ago
It is difficult to find any Iranian fight back video. It all looks one way success for the Epstein coalition

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
The UAE is cracking down on videos; Bahrain has banned street gatherings; the jews are cracking down on footage of Tel Aviv. The true extent of this madness won’t be cleat until the dust – or sand – settles.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
It’s hard to be circumspect, but it’s best to be cautious and not get one’s hopes up.

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9 days ago

@Aunt-Sally
haha you do it than.

@Aunt-Sally
9 days ago
Yuro needs a wedgie tbh

MarcoEire
9 days ago
PURIM FEST 26

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Evening volks!

MarcoEire
9 days ago
Excellent Germanicus

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
It’s karma for Mark being very mean to Sam last stream!

Based and butterfly-pilled
9 days ago
Greetings fellow Social Nationalists

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
\o

Esau rising
9 days ago

@ArabSocialNationalist
o/

@Aunt-Sally
9 days ago
Natty

Natty
9 days ago
thats good lol

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Greetings war-weary goyim.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
o/

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
Epstein regime

@vengeance
9 days ago
o/

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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Ernst Zundel: This is Ernst Christoph Friedrich Zundel. I’m about to share with you what by now is a historical series of interviews, talk shows, tape recorded excerpts of radio shows and reactions to radio shows which I did in Montreal in 1967-68.

 

I used to live in Montreal for nine years amongst French-Canadians. Enjoyed my stay amongst the French-Canadian population immensely. It was a very interesting time for me in that I attended university in Montreal and was very active politically speaking. Sometimes four times a week at different places in churches, businessmen’s clubs, union halls, air cadets, Boy Scouts, schools and so on about political topics, mainly communism, separatism, and of course, my always and ever ready favourite topic, namely the swindle of the 6 million jews.

 

In those days, this was completely new terrain for me, as it was for everybody else. No one in the Western world publicly had discussed this topic very much and it was positively dangerous to one’s health to touch upon this topic.

 

However, I was writing a column in the university student newspaper and gave speeches at the university and so on, and always ready and willing to have an intellectual scrap, or whatever you want to call it.

 

I decided one night that I would like to discuss this particular topic on radio. And it came shortly after the war in 67, the Arab-Israeli war. And the reaction was so fantastic that I decided to tape some of these talk shows. Unfortunately, it would take hours and hours and hours to bring all the tapes that I have. So these here are really excerpts. The moderator of the show was a young English Canadian whom I have never met to this day, certainly only knew from the air, never even spoke in private via the telephone, always only while we were on the air or during commercial breaks. He was about my age, and later on I heard through somebody at the radio station that his father was in fact an RCMP, a Royal Canadian Mounted Police captain.

 

Now, I have no idea if this was the reason why this young man was allowing me so much airtime. It was an absolutely incredible situation in that he did allow me sometimes five hours of often very little interrupted time to expostulate and to expound my outlooks and theories on life. So much so as can be deducted later on from some of the statements made by jewish scholars who are complaining about the amount of airtime that I got.

 

He was a very kind fellow. I thought he was eminently fair. And for the first time I felt that the gentile side, or certainly my side or the German side of this issue got a really good public hearing and a good airing.

 

This issue that we are discussing in the following tape the Arab-Israeli dispute and the German reparations payment was so intensely and intensively discussed that delegations from the Canadian jewish Congress and from the Israeli consulate used to visit the radio station, putting all kinds of pressure on that radio station. And it’s again evident by what the moderator later on is saying when he repeats that he has had death threats and assassination threats, boycott threats and so on.

 

Also it is evident from the reaction of the jewish callers themselves. I would like to draw your attention to the fact of argumentation, how the jewish community of Montreal, both young and old, European and Canadian, male and female, of how they argue, the tactics and the methods that they employ. It is a tremendous lesson to be learnt.

 

All the hate and the vilification that can be mustered against an individual totally unknown to them, except for what is being said on the radio comes through there. You can see the intolerance towards me and towards things German. You can also see how impolite these people are in that they constantly interrupt me in this particular case. And they would do the same with other Gentiles, never to allow us to bring a thought, to develop it and to draw it to a logical conclusion. Constant interruption, constant deflection manoeuvres, constant ridiculing!

 

And another interesting feature of the discussion is obviously always the attack from the jewish side against the individual that is launching some kind of an idea. Never so much as to the content of the idea. Usually the attempt is made to destroy, in effect, the accuser. And I’m called a Nazi, a Neo-Nazi, a German, in the most hateful undertones, and men and women alike. It is very interesting.

 

The man is desperate and asked me during a commercial break to please come to his rescue. This is Mr Bell, the moderator, and to say something nice about the Israelis. Not that I had said anything that wasn’t nice, but he thought I should get him off the hook and get some of the pressure off him by stating my case of what the heck I was really driving at. Because he was being accused on air, off air, by the station manager and by the station employees, many of them who were jewish, of being an anti-semite of the worst kind!

 

And so that young man was desperate. And since he treated me very fairly, I also came out to take the pressure off him with one of my statements about my policy on Israel and so on.

 

Now, when one listens to this whole tape, I want to be specifically reminding you, listen to what happens to statistics when money is discussed. Statistics, sums of money, sums of people and so on. Money and numbers of money and amounts of dollars and amounts of people have nothing to do in the discussion on the airwaves. People get lost, confused! Just listen to the pauses in the argumentation whenever we are discussing different statistical facts and so on. This is a very important point.

 

[09:19]

 

In closing, I will have to point out yet again that the station manager was forced to have flown by a special courier plane every morning the five hour long tapes to the board of broadcast governors at that time in Ottawa, the capital of Canada. And these men would sit there and listen to the argumentation going on because the president of the Canadian Jewish Congress, Dean Maxwell Cohen, had stated in front of a Senate committee at the time that Ernst Zundel was:

 

“Poisoning the air and pitting jew against gentile.”

 

And so on in Canadian society. And the station was under threat to lose its licence. In effect, what happened, the programme was pushed back towards very late at night. The times were changed for the program. Sponsors were lost. This young man, Mr. Bell, in effect was again fired from his job, lost his livelihood and the station closed this particular talk show down!

 

Once again, jewish pressure had succeeded in silencing a voice. Listen to the tapes now.

 

[Start of radio show recording]

 

Ernst Zundel: An inexpensive way for Israel of gaining allies and of undermining Nasser and the other high hats. The $1 billions. This is pretty close to what the war costs currently. New budget came out in Israel and it allocates 37% of the total budget of the state of Israel for defense.

 

Radio Host: Right. Okay, there’s a call on the line now. And I don’t know whether this caller has figures or opinions.

 

Hello?

 

Caller 1: Hello? Hello. Yes, I want to explain something. This man who is talking to you is a German pro-Nazi, you understand? I know him. I don’t understand why you’re so interested in these stories.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, is there a law against being interested in those stories?

 

Caller 1: I know that you are pro-Nazi German.

 

Ernst Zundel: It’s wonderful how you throw labels around. What are you?

 

You want to declare yourself? What you are?

 

Caller 1: Don’t try to come out and [words unclear] Speak to him. You’re in Canada, you’re not in Germany.

 

Ernst Zundel: I know I’m in Canada, that’s why I’m speaking Over The Airwaves here.

 

Caller 1: No, come on! Here you understand. Go to Adolf [word unclear]. You are pro-Nazi. I know who you are.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah, you are pretty rude, sir. Truth hurts doesn’t it?

 

Caller 1: You try to come out to Mr. Bell, but you never have a truth.

 

Ernst Zundel: Very true. I don’t have a chance with Mr. Bell.

 

Caller 1: Right. You are a pro-Nazi. Go to [word unclear] Okay?

 

Ernst Zundel: Maybe it indicates something. Maybe it indicates something.

 

[Caller hangs up]

 

Radio Host: Now we’re dealing right now with some figures that are contrary to figures I have. And we’re getting callers. You have a few calls to take here.

 

Ernst Zundel: Right.

 

Radio Host: Now, I don’t know if anyone has any figures against the figures you have, which you got from the consulate here. This is not the first time that whether you are on the air or off the air, that someone has accused you of being a Neo-Nazi or something. How do you react to that?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, of course, being a German, they think it sticks.

 

But I would like to remind them that I was born in 1939. That made me exactly, let’s say three years old when Hitler was at his supreme. It made me six years old when the Allies liberated us. Moroccan troops and Algerian troops. And I had three sisters at the time. And I would like to tell those people how it felt to be liberated as a 6 year old boy. I also saw 141 bullet holes where my mother was chased across a field By a, [word unclear] you know.

 

Radio Host: Algerian and Moroccan troops. Where were you? Where were you exactly?

 

Ernst Zundel: Black Forest.

 

Radio Host: In the Black Forest?

 

Ernst Zundel: Maybe Freudenstadt, was burned down completely. The hospital city of Freudenstadt is about half an hour away from where I was born. Neighbor city of Portheim was bombed in February and, 20,000 people got killed in one night. All that as a boy. You never forget those things, the sirens wailing, the bombers coming across and everything else, you know.

 

Anyways, I was 6 years old when the war was over. Now I have a boy, he’s 8 years old. If I were to ask him, are you a conservative or liberal? He wouldn’t know. Certainly was no card carrying member of the Nazi party. I immigrated to Canada at the youth of 19, not even. I have been here for the last 10 years.

 

So I don’t quite see why I should go and discuss my ideas on the Middle East with Mr. Fontaine. As a matter of fact, I think it’s very intolerant from the man they called. Am I any less a Canadian because I am of German origin? I would like to remind this man that we are Canada’s third largest ethnic group by far. That we are far more numerous than the Ukrainians and that we are far more numerous than the jewish Canadians.

 

In other words, I have just as much legitimate right to be discussing anything that I believe, including the Middle East.

 

Radio Host: Right. Well, you don’t feel that you’re anti-Israeli?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, I’m not. No, I’m not anti-Israeli.

 

But as I always say in every discussion, there is not only two sides to a coin, there is three sides to a coin.

 

Radio Host: That’s what I say.

 

[15:08]

 

Ernst Zundel: And if I look at the Middle East, I look at those hapless Arabs in their tents and those Arab soldiers, I know they have no axe to grind against Israel. They are victims of very emotional propaganda, because anybody that has a short wave receiver can pick it up. The operator of Radio Cairo. And the argument always emanating from Cairo is:

 

“That the jews have stolen your land and that’s why you are living in misery and in poverty.”

 

That’s why your Radio Cairo is lying.

 

So [word unclear] last week called and suggested that possibly a way out for the Israelis would be to pay a settlement to those people that lost their home, and their fields, in their stores in 1948 and possibly 1953. Is that a crime? Is that unreasonable? Is that being Nazi? I don’t see so.

 

Radio Host: Well, I think we have a gentleman on the line that you were talking with originally.

 

Sir?

 

Caller 1: Yes.

 

Radio Host: You’re on the air.

 

Caller 1: Okay.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

 

Caller 1: Okay. Now, I don’t know about what you were when you were six, but you’re not six now. So the fact that you were six when Hitler was in power doesn’t have any logical reference to what you might be. Now, I’m not saying what you are or are not, but that has as illogical as an argument.

 

Let me ask you this.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

 

Caller 1: You say that two things. In the first place, you gave a figure, incidentally, I’m the chap you spoke to you last week.

 

Ernst Zundel: Right. I recognise your voice.

 

Caller 1: You gave a figure that a certain number of billions of dollars was paid to individuals, right. In Israel. What was that figure?

 

Ernst Zundel: According to the German consulate, it’s seven billion.

 

Caller 1: Seven billion?

 

Ernst Zundel: Right.

 

Caller 1: Now, how many jews were in Germany in 1933? German jews?

 

Ernst Zundel: 680,000.

 

Caller 1: How many German jews were killed by the Nazis?

 

Ernst Zundel: I think the figure is 320,000.

 

Caller 1: Well, I have a figure for you.

 

Ernst Zundel: Right.

 

Caller 1: It’s a very large one. In fact, I think it’s a bit exaggerated. But even if that’s a true figure., …

 

Ernst Zundel: How much is it?

 

Caller 1: About 100,000 German refugees, German jews were left after the war. I think that’s a high figure, but I’m not sure. But even if that’s a high figure, if they all went to Israel, which they didn’t do, you see, if they all went to Israel, which they didn’t do, and if they were all paid according to you, they would all, by my calculation, they would all receive, have received about $55,000 a piece!

 

Ernst Zundel: Just a moment, sir. Just a moment. I know figures.

 

Caller 1: Let me ask you this now.

 

Ernst Zundel: No, just you let me answer you right back.

 

Caller 1: Okay.

 

Ernst Zundel: So we don’t get off the track here.

 

Caller 1: Okay.

 

Ernst Zundel: The missing 200,000 or 250,000. Between my figure and your figure. Did you ever think that many jews between 1933 and 1938 went to Czechoslovakia?

 

Caller 1: Are you kidding?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, I’m not on that. I’m dead serious, man! I can bring you very [words unclear] that went to Czechoslovakia and that went to Vienna and that went to France and that went to, …

 

Caller 1: Are you kidding?

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m dead serious.

 

Caller 1: How can you be. How can you be. How can you be dead serious?

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, we have a very prominent Montreal journalist that is always interviewed, that writes for many tourist papers. If Mr. Bell wants to pass the name up, I’ll give you the name. He left Germany in 1933.

 

Caller 1: Of course. Of course, there was some. But it required a great deal of money and they had to leave most of their property behind.

 

Ernst Zundel: But he didn’t. This man’s father didn’t.

 

Caller 1: Yeah, well, you have an individual case.

 

Ernst Zundel: Just a moment.

 

Caller 1: You have an individual case.

 

Okay, so how many were left? 300,000, you say. If there are 300,000 German jews left.

 

Ernst Zundel: No, I didn’t say that. The figures that, as you said to yourself, there are some exaggerated figures.

 

Caller 1: No, no, my figures exaggerated 100,000. I think it was very much fewer. But even if it’s 100,000, that would give each one of them $55,000. Is that what they got in reparations from Germany?

 

Ernst Zundel: Sir, I didn’t count the money. All I did is some research. Told the authorities that paid the money and that had the money on the book.

 

Caller 1: Now, did you go to the people who received the money?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, sir, I didn’t try to.

 

Caller 1: Well, let me give you some advice. If you go down the street from the West German consulate, there’s the Israeli consulate.

 

Ernst Zundel: Right.

 

Caller 1: Why didn’t you bother to take the figures that you got from the German consulate down to the Israeli consulate, and ask them if they put the same interpretation or indeed if they have the same figures that you got from the Germans? Does that ever occur to you? If you’re a journalist?

 

Radio Host: That’s a fairly good idea.

 

Caller 1: You’re a journalist, aren’t you?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, sir, it has occurred to me.

 

Caller 1: Well, before you get on the earth, before you send any stories to any newspapers, before you publish anything, go and check your figures from both sources. You say stories have two sides, and these three sides!

 

Ernst Zundel: Would the New York Times be a good source for accurate information?

 

Caller 1: I just told you what to do. And why didn’t you go to the Israeli consulate?

 

[20:05]

 

Ernst Zundel: Sir, would the New York Times you good source?

 

Caller 1: No, I don’t trust. I don’t trust any newspaper.

 

Ernst Zundel: Don’t eh?

 

Caller 1: No.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, maybe I’m a bit more trustworthy. I trust that the Minister of Finance.

 

Caller 1: All I have of course is your report of what you read in the New York Times.

 

Ernst Zundel: The Minister of Finance of Germany had faced 482 Parliamentarians in Germany. Plus the whole press corp.

 

Caller 1: Yeah, yeah.

 

Ernst Zundel: Plus the Canadian [words unclear], plus the Canadian Jewish Eagle, plus the International Scientist Organisation and stated that we have, …

 

Caller 1: Let me ask you something else. Let me ask you something else.

 

Ernst Zundel: Go right ahead.

 

Caller 1: You mentioned the Canadian Jewish Eagle, eh, This is a Yiddish newspaper.

 

Ernst Zundel: Right.

 

Caller 1: I have many, many Christian friends here in Canada. As a matter of fact my adult years were all spent amongst non-jews. I’m a very jewish person. I would have to speak to 1,000 of them to find out anyone who has ever heard of the Canadian Jewish Eagle. How come you’re so interested? How do you know about it?

 

Ernst Zundel: Is it a crime to be?

 

Caller 1: No, no!

 

I’m just curious as to how you come to know about it. Do you read Yiddish?

 

Ernst Zundel: Do I read Yiddish?

 

Caller 1: Yes.

 

Ernst Zundel: That’s my business. I just might, you know.

 

Caller 1: You just might.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

 

Caller 1: Just like [word unclear] and he reads Yiddish too.

 

Ernst Zundel: Let me tell you something. If maybe that indicates something to you that my grandfather’s name was Isidor Meyer.

 

Caller 1: Isidor Meyer?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah. How do you like that for [word unclear] You think about that for a while.

 

Caller 1: Listen, listen. If you know any German history, you would know that German history is filled with a man like, … Do you know any German history? Ever hear of a man named Peppercorn?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I know a man.

 

Caller 1: He went by the name named Peppercorn, lived about 400 years ago.

 

Ernst Zundel: That’s right.

 

Caller 1: And he was one of the worst anti-semites, a convert, that ever lived. I don’t care what your grandfather was called. You see, that’s not evidence of any kind.

 

Ernst Zundel: I didn’t say whether I read Yiddish or not.

 

Caller 1: I’m just curious about your interest in it, you see. What is your interest?

 

Ernst Zundel: My interest is.

 

Caller 1: Yeah.

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m interested in many things. You want to have a couple of statistics?

 

Caller 1: No, no, just why are you. Why are you so interested in the jewish question and Israel?

 

Ernst Zundel: Because it is very vitally involved with Germany and with the history that we are being taught.

 

Caller 1: Can I read something to you in a moment, Mr. Bell?

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Bell.

 

Radio Host: Yeah, I’m listening.

 

Caller 1: You got a moment there? Can I read something? I’ll give you the name of the guy who wrote it just in the paper as well, but just let me read it, if we’re concerned with these raids back and forth and the German interest in it.

 

Radio Host: Ah ha.

 

Caller 1: One of the more efficient leaders. This is a publication date of January 3rd.

 

Ernst Zundel: What year?

 

Caller 1:1969.

 

One of the more efficient leaders of the Al Fatah terrorist organisation is a tall, slender man who calls himself Al Hatch, “Pilgrim” in English. Al Hatch heads a group of specialists trained to assemble bombs which in turn are smuggled into crowded civilian areas of Old Jerusalem. In all likelihood, the recent terrorist attack which cut scores of lives in all Jerusalem, most of them women and children, are the work of this man.

 

Al Hatch is a master of disguise. He crosses the border sometimes in Arab guard, but more often dressed like a European. He also sports a forged Swiss passport. In his European clothes, he does not look one bit like an Arab, and for this reason, he was able to cross practically at will until his identity became known. There’s a good reason why Al Hatch is able to pass as a European. He is none other than Richard Winterhalter, formerly of the SS Death head squad. Winterhalter, wanted by West Germany, Poland and Czechoslovakia for war crimes, operated both in Terezin, Theresienstadt and Auschwitz. Winterhalter was the key man who arranged for the death trains bringing elderly people from Terezin to the Birkenau extermination factories. He has also trained the special command of Auschwitz prisoners temporarily reprieved from the gruesome task of bringing bodies of murder victims from gas chambers to the crematoria.

 

Winterhalter escaped from a British prisoner of war camp during the summer of 1945 and crossed him to Italy. From there he made his way to Egypt, where he converted to Islam. During 1949, he made his pilgrimage to Mecca, calling himself Al Hatch. The newly created Mohammedan, promptly joined the battle against Israel and served under the notorious Mufti of Jerusalem. So, on about the deliberation plan.

 

Ernst Zundel: Now, who writes? What paper is it?

 

Caller 1: This is written by Peter Lust.

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh, well, Mr. Peter Lust. Wonderful.

 

Caller 1: Yeah. Now, this information, since he names this name, it suggests to me several things. In the first place, I want to ask a general question. I don’t dislike the Germans. I’ve been to Germany several times. I’ve met many young German people, in fact, in Israel. But I don’t understand. This is what I just can’t get through my mind about the German engineers who worked in Egypt, the German engineers who are working in Syria.

 

The Germans are helping these people now to fight the jews. Why can’t they just leave them alone? You know, they tried to get rid of them 30 years ago, 20 years ago. Why can’t they just leave them alone? Why just have to go on and on trying to get rid of what Hitler left over. Can you explain that to me as a German?

 

[25:08]

 

Ernst Zundel: I don’t know.

 

Caller 1: Have you ever thought about it?

 

Ernst Zundel: I don’t. Look, I came to Canada when I was 19 years old.

 

Caller 1: Don’t give us that bit again. You know. How old are you now? You’re 30?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah, I’m 30.

 

Caller 1: So you read newspapers?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I do.

 

Caller 1: So you read about your fellow Germans who work for the Egyptians and the Syrians? What do you think about it?

 

Ernst Zundel: What do I think about it?

 

Caller 1: Yes.

 

Ernst Zundel: They’re engineers. They were forbidden by the allied, …

 

Caller 1: What do you think about it? No, don’t tell us about what they were forbidden. What do you think about it as a fellow German?

 

Ernst Zundel: You don’t have to be so aggressive. Anybody that shouts and screams indicates usually that he is [word unclear]

 

Caller 1: Not necessarily. If he gets stupid replies, he has to shout.

 

Ernst Zundel: I haven’t even made my replies, because you are so aggressive. So.

 

Caller 1: Well, what do you think about it?

 

Ernst Zundel: What do I think about it?

 

Caller 1: Yes.

 

Ernst Zundel: These people like for instance, Messerschmitt that build a plane for the Egyptians and the engineers like. Well, I think Metzgar is one of his name that builds El Kahir that never brought fire during the Arab-Israeli war, which is a rocket with a 600 mile range, along the V2 line. These men, by the treaties of or by the Nuremberg Judgment, are forbidden to build this kind of stuff in Germany. So they were looking for new fields.

 

Caller 1: Yeah, but why did you mean. Was that the only place. You know? There are many Germans who go to Israel to work. I’ve met them there. I’ve met them working in the kibbutzene, if they wanted. If they wanted to go someplace to work.

 

Ernst Zundel: If you are Messerschmitt that had designed jet planes and rockets, you’re hardly inclined to continue your career in an Israeli kibbutz.

 

Caller 1: I suppose. I thought he could have gone to Brazil where Dr. Mengele is, you know.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah. What is Dr Mengele, is he a rocket engineer?

 

Caller 1: No. Well, I could have gone to Brazil needs. It’s a funny thing, but they always end up. They always seem to end up on the side facing the jews! What do they want from us?

 

Ernst Zundel: Wernher von Braun is he facing the jews, sir?

 

Caller 1: You got one example there. And you had dozens working in Syria and Egypt.

 

Ernst Zundel: Anybody that followed Apollo lately knows precisely how many German rocket scientists are in America.

 

Caller 1: I’m not so excited about Wernher von Braun either I’m interested in knowing from him he’s going to testify in a trial. You know, I’m interested in knowing from him just as I’m interested in knowing from other just plain soldiers when they were in Germany for that long period. And since they are not stupid people. He knew exactly what he was doing when he was designing the V2s. You know, his conscience is not that kind that gives me admiration. I would just assume, just assume if he had been told that if he didn’t design the vehicles, they would shoot him, that he had let himself be shot. You know, he’s not one of my great heroes.

 

Ernst Zundel: How many of you Russian scientists that created the what they call the Stalin Organ rocket?

 

Caller 1: I haven’t the slightest idea about that.

 

Ernst Zundel: All right, how many of the, …

 

Caller 1: Let me ask you one last question.

 

Ernst Zundel: How many of the Canadians. Hang on for a moment. Do this one by one. Okay.

 

Caller 1: Yeah.

 

Ernst Zundel: You thought you could bring in a couple of good points and let me answer them.

 

Caller 1: Yeah.

 

Ernst Zundel: Those people that designed Liberator bombers.

 

Caller 1: I haven’t the slightest idea.

 

Ernst Zundel: Jews themselves.

 

Caller 1: Liberator bombers?

 

Ernst Zundel: That turned Dresden into a fiery inferno.

 

Caller 1: Are you? You’re not serious, are you?

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m dead serious.

 

Caller 1: The more you talk. You know, you’d be smart if you hung up right now. The more you talk you give yourself away.

 

Ernst Zundel: Why are you afraid you’re losing the argument?

 

Caller 1: No, what’s the point of bringing Dresden into this?

 

Ernst Zundel: Because in Dresden the estimates are apart from Mr. Peter Lust that was invited by Walter Ulbricht at his expense to go behind the Iron Curtain. I think Mr. Irving in England wrote a book about it.

 

Caller 1: Yes, I read the book. I read the book.

 

Ernst Zundel: All right. He says 300,000 people got killed in one single bombing raid.

 

Caller 1: Yeah, well, if the Germans had been smart in 1933 and they sat on Hitler, they wouldn’t have killed in 1944.

 

Ernst Zundel: We are not talking about who is smart. We are talking about what crimes.

 

Caller 1: Well, the Germans themselves were responsible for it. That was no crime. I’m against it. I’m against killing anyone. I wouldn’t have killed that one. You know, I’m against killing everyone. But once you start on that road, once you start on that road, that’s the way you end up.

 

[29:23]

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, but anyway, doesn’t that answer my original argument again?

 

Caller 1: No, it has nothing to do with it because the people, …

 

Ernst Zundel: Wernher von Braun should have shot himself?

 

Caller 1: Yes, absolutely! Before even trying to [word unclear].

 

Ernst Zundel: Just a minute. Air Vice Marshall Harris that was in charge in England of the bombing of Dresden. There over 300,000 people, mainly refugees and women in an undefended city. It was called an “open city” via the Red Cross from Geneva. There was not one fighter plane that protected it. No [words unclear].

 

Caller 1: I can just imagine Hitler doing that. Well, my dear chap, I mean this is the information you get from what side?

 

Ernst Zundel: These 300,000 people got killed. I don’t see Air Vice Marshall Harris shooting himself.

 

Caller 1: That’s hardly a comparison, you know. Air Marshall Harris was fighting against an aggressor. It was Hitler that started the war!

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, you know, finding out [word unclear] is very interesting because, …

 

Caller 1: I see. As I told you’d better hang up. The longer you talk, the more you give yourself away.

 

Ernst Zundel: Just a minute. We’ll come back to it because you, …

 

Caller 1: You certainly sound like a six year old.

 

Ernst Zundel: Fine. I’m taking history at Sir George Williams University, sir. And you know what they are teaching us there? That at the very same time, I think it’s Sep 9, 1939, that Hitler walked into one side of Poland, Stalin walking to the other side of Poland. He occupied half of Poland and Hitler occupied the other side of Poland.

 

Caller 1: Two birds of a feather.

 

Ernst Zundel: Pardon?

 

Caller 1: So how does that make Hitler less an aggressor?

 

Ernst Zundel: If you are fighting the aggressor. Your point was that Air Vice Marshall Harris was fighting an aggressor?

 

Caller 1: That’s right. Hitler walked into Czechoslovakia, …

 

Ernst Zundel: Just a minute. Why was Air Vice Marshal Harris not also bombing Moscow?

 

Caller 1: They weren’t fighting with Moscow? Moscow wasn’t the enemy.

 

Ernst Zundel: Moscow was an aggressive, just as much as Hitler was!

 

Caller 1: Yeah, but Moscow hadn’t attacked England. Moscow wasn’t firing V2s at England. Besides that Hitler had, …

 

Ernst Zundel: [words unclear] aren’t you?

 

Caller 1: No, no. Yeah, you give yourself away.

 

Let me ask you one last thing. Let’s get back to 1968. Let’s get back to 1969.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

 

Caller 1: We follow your advice. The Israeli government from the $14 billion plus the $7 billion it’s got for the individuals.

 

Ernst Zundel: I didn’t say that.

 

Caller 1: Incidentally, is that the word that the Germans are using reparations that they paid to Israel?

 

Ernst Zundel: No.

 

Caller 1: What word do they use?

 

Ernst Zundel: In German they call it [word unclear] That means “to make good again”.

 

Caller 1: I see, Right. It’s not reparations since Israel wasn’t at war with Germany, right?

 

Ernst Zundel: And then some Germans wonder if Israel didn’t exist as a state, why Germany should pay for it as it didn’t exist?

 

Caller 1: Yeah, that’s a good question. Do you wonder that too?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, but I’m just pointing out to you.

 

Caller 1: Let me ask you guys. Let’s carry on then here, eh? You say you’re suggesting to solve the problem in the Middle East. East that Israel with its $14 billion and its $7 billion.

 

Ernst Zundel: I didn’t say 14 billion and 7 billion. You got the figures wrong. You should listen more closely, let hear what you want to hear.

 

Caller 1: Didn’t you say that the reparations, so-called, to Israel was $14 billion and the money paid to individuals was $7 billion? Isn’t that what you said?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, I didn’t.

 

Caller 1: What did you say?

 

Ernst Zundel: I said that under the treaty with the state of Israel directly, Germany made payments to the state of Israel to the tune of $3, 450,000,000. And this, …

 

Caller 1: What’s the 14 billion dollar figure?

 

Ernst Zundel: Pardon?

 

Caller 1: What’s the 14,000,000,000 dollar figure?

 

Ernst Zundel: I said up to 1969 all the reparations by policy paid to individuals, to the state, people living outside Israel was $14 billion.

 

Caller 1: Including people living outside Israel?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

 

Caller 1: What’s that got to do with the Israeli government?

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, I’ll try. I’ll do it slowly for you. Okay.

 

I said separate treaty. One is between Israel as a state, you know as a state government of Israel?

 

Caller 1: Yeah.

 

Ernst Zundel: Between the Bonn government and the Israeli government. Money involved in that?

 

Caller 1: Yes, that’s 3, 450,000, you say.

 

Ernst Zundel: And there were payments involved between Israeli and between jewish individuals and carrying Israeli passport. But they don’t have to live in Israel, because Germany allows a dual citizenship in the case of a jew. Do you understand?

 

Caller 1: So you’re not including the figure of German ex-German refugees who had never gone to Israel? You’re not adding in that figure? You know, not all German refugees went to Israel.

 

Ernst Zundel: I know that.

 

Caller 1: So you’re talking with German refugees who either went to Israel and left or else they got the Israeli passport and here’s the passport. Okay, well this is a small thing. The first thing, let me repeat that you better, you’d better go to the Israeli consulate and find out what their side of the story is. Now in addition to that, let’s take your figure for what it. Let’s take your figure for what it may be. I accept your figure!

 

Ernst Zundel: Israel and James Weissman and David Ben Gurion and Levy Ashbolt, they have never quarrelled with these figures. Because these figures are open for everyone to see, including Mr [word unclear]

 

Caller 1: I accept them all. I’m not quarrelling with them either. I accept them in total, including your translation into German Reichmarks, so it sounds like 50 billion. But I’m not quarrelling with that. You’re suggesting, you’re suggesting, …

 

[35:03]

 

Ernst Zundel: Just a minute. I’m afraid I have to translate it into German marks because Germany doesn’t deal in [word unclear] or in [word unclear].

 

Caller 1: Yeah, but what purpose was there for you to mention German marks at all? All Canadians can understand dollars.

 

Ernst Zundel: It’s the currency to start with, ..

 

Caller 1: Yeah, I know, but you you said whatever the figure was 50 billion Marks. That sounds like $50 billion to someone not listening carefully.

 

Ernst Zundel: One second after I gave it in dollars. So look, don’t, …

 

Caller 1: Yeah, okay.

 

Ernst Zundel: You’re terribly suspicious, I must say.

 

Caller 1: So we’ve got whatever billions of figures you got there. And you’re suggesting that they should take some of this money and pay to whatever refugees are within their reach. Well, how much to each one.

 

Ernst Zundel: Nope. The last time I suggested. And this is my suggestion as an individual, it’s not a German government policy. They would be horrified if they heard me discuss this problem anyways because they’re such cowards when it comes to this.

 

Caller 1: What have you got to do with them? You said you’re a Canadian. What do they care what you say? What do they care what you say?

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m just declaring it to you.

 

Caller 1: Yeah, okay. So what’s your figure? 500 bucks a piece?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, I said commensurate with what they lost. And this is very easy.

 

Caller 1: But they didn’t lose anything, you see. They weren’t chased away. They left of their own accord, as you said yourself, because the legislation, the agreement, or rather the resolution that was passed at the United Nations at that time in 1947, which divided Palestine, remember not including Jordan, just Palestine, west of the Jordan, into two states, gave to the Israelis only that part of Palestine which was generally occupied by jews on land which they had bought from the effendis, and for which, incidentally, they also paid the peasants who didn’t own it at all!

 

In other words, these refugees didn’t leave from any land which at that time belonged to the jews. They left of their own accord, as you have yourself admitted on broadcast. On broadcast from their Arab neighbours. Okay, now, so what should, what should they be compensated for?

 

Ernst Zundel: Let me continue. First of all, many people that left were not peasants. Many of them were, …

 

Caller 1: I didn’t say that they were peasants. Those that left from [word unclear] weren’t peasants.

 

Ernst Zundel: You know, in other words.

 

Caller 1: But they weren’t chased away.

 

Ernst Zundel: Look, this wasn’t my argument at all! You’re always trying to put words in my mouth. I didn’t say that you don’t have to be hostile.

 

Caller 1: So why should they have to be recompensed for what I said?

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh, hold on. Look, tonight when I came on again, if Israel is in need of allies, which I think she is, and Israel says she is, then those 2 million Arabs would be very good allies.

 

Caller 1: What makes you think that?

 

Ernst Zundel: What makes me think that?

 

Caller 1: Yes.

 

Ernst Zundel: Because these people are, I’m sure, very tired of living in tents. They would be very good friends of Israel if they thought that the Israelis were giving them a hefty deal than the Arabs.

 

Caller 1: And it’s your speculation that if they were paid by the Israelis, they would suddenly become friends of the Israelis. Is that your speculation?

 

Ernst Zundel: Hold on, those Arabs that are living in Israel since 1948, you yourself and every other jewish caller that called said they are treated like an Israeli, they are prospering, they have all the military service and everything else.

 

Caller 1: Okay.

 

Ernst Zundel: Are they hostile to Israel?

 

Caller 1: Generally speaking, no.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay. You see what I mean?

 

Caller 1: No, but it’s hardly the same thing, you know.

 

Ernst Zundel: It’s the same thing. Right now hundreds of thousands of Arab refugees are living in territory administered by Israel.

 

So what I was suggesting was extend the same policies that you, …

 

Caller 1: That’s not the same. That’s not the same policy, at all! You know, if you were to pay them whatever figure you think would be adequate, would they be then brought back to Israel or would they be left where they are? Where would they go? With their little payment, with their little check? Where would they go?

 

Ernst Zundel: Hold on for a minute. It would be in the interest of Israel, I suppose that they would settle them somewhere, which I think Israel is trying to do.

 

Caller 1: In Israel? In Israel? In Israel?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, in the new territory.

 

Caller 1: What new territory? The Israelis aren’t keeping those territories.

 

Ernst Zundel: According to the Montreal which I have in front of me, it says that these territories are called the “new territories”.

 

Caller 1: These territories are called the new territories?

 

Ernst Zundel: Right.

 

Caller 1: What date? What story is that?

 

[News Break]

 

Radio Host: You had a question you wanted to ask? Go ahead.

 

Caller 1: The other end is not just taking up your time. But he considered what he suggested, a practical solution to the problem. Now does he consider. We didn’t finish before we went to the news. Is he suggesting, if I may be wrong, suggesting that these people would, the refugees would come into Israel to get paid.

 

In other words, the one and a half million who are now outside would have to return to Israel. They would get to pay whatever. He didn’t specify what amount of, let’s say, several hundred dollars. And they would remain in Israel, Is that the suggestion?

 

[40:12]

 

Ernst Zundel: I can’t decide where they wanted to go, where Israel wanted them to. It’s entirely up to them. But my main point in bringing up the payment angle is that I know that those people live on handouts from the United Nations and they are always in every story that we hear and read it, that they were dispossessed by the Israelis.

 

Caller 1: Yeah, but this. Yeah, I know, but, …

 

Ernst Zundel: You see what I mean, it would be a good point as far, not as a publicity stunt, I wouldn’t want to say it that way. But it would be a great deal in the favour of Israel as far as the world situation is concern. And specifically for those small Arab people, whether they be peasants or herdsmen or former storekeepers. To them, I’m sure it would show the goodwill of Israel and it would make life out of every statement that emanates from Beirut or from Cairo as [word unclear].

 

Caller 1: It doesn’t require this to show up the statements that emanate those countries as lies tell people to those people.

 

Ernst Zundel: People with a full stomach and a square meal and more comfortable mud hut rather than a, …

 

Caller 1: But don’t you don’t, in the first place, if you base your suggestion on the moral question that they were dispossessed by the Israelis, therefore the Israelis would look better in the eyes of the world by recompensing them in one way or another. This is from a false start because they were not dispossessed by the Israelis.

 

This point has been made time and time again! And it doesn’t matter how often uninformed people say that they were dispossessed by the Israelis, it still doesn’t make it true, because you can’t turn back history and say because it’s repeated, therefore it becomes true. The only reason there should be any compensation, I mean, if the Israelis had it and if other governments had it, they should give it to their human being.

 

But from a practical point of view, I don’t see, looking at the way the Arab governments around there operate, I don’t think it would make any difference whatsoever to forming, to getting peace with the Arab countries. This is what the Israelis are after. They want to sit down with Egypt and with Jordan and with Syria, if Syria can stay on one seat for a long enough time and sign a peace treaty after 20 years.

 

Now, how payments to the refugees who would either be kept after that they can’t be admitted to Israel because Israel hasn’t got room for them. What they would do with the money, that they would go to Amman or they would go to Cairo. Those countries could have taken them before and they didn’t. They kept them there for a special purpose. And for you to think that because they will get several, on the contrary, it’s very likely that what would happen if they got the money, it’s such an impractical suggestion. How would the money get to them outside? Would they be in checks or in cash? In Jordanian money and Egyptian money? You know, if they got it, they would probably end up in their mind having the money taken from them by those governments. What makes you think that if they were to receive that money, it would make the slightest difference in the attitude of the Arab governments, the Arab governments to Israel?

 

Ernst Zundel: First of all, I have to. Maybe I am naive, I doubt it. But the point is, if Israel wants to have peace, it is obvious that the Arab government for the last, 20 years, the government, the cliques in power, whether they be the Bath party, whether they be the colonels of Nasser or whatever they are, those in power are not speaking for the small peasants, but they are using those peasants as a weapon and as a tool.

 

Caller 1: Let me ask you something. Have you been to the Middle East?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, I haven’t.

 

Caller 1: Have you never been to Turkey?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, I haven’t.

 

Caller 1: Or Egypt? None of those countries?

 

Ernst Zundel: Have you been to the moon?

 

Caller 1: Yeah. No, no, I’ve been to those countries and it doesn’t make the slightest bit of difference what the peasants think. It’s the colonels that are in Cairo that matter at this point. I don’t see what the peasants, how the peasants [words unclear] at all!

 

They’re medieval countries, you know.

 

Ernst Zundel: I don’t see that the [word unclear] himself has stopped across the border, planted a mine in the market in Jerusalem and blown up 10 Israelis.

 

Caller 1: He might as well have. What difference does it make? He tolerated the people who did it.

 

Caller 2: Not partial at all! This is the World Almanac of the 1966 Yearbook of Britannica. Now, there’s no bias in there or any prejudice. I will quote you if I may.

 

Ernst Zundel: Right. Well, I got my figures from an almanac too.

 

Caller 1: Oh, okay. The overall picture, this is page 430. Under the topic of Israel. The overall picture was one of continuing prosperity and expansion, tempered by a growing balance of payments problems which was expected to become more serious because of the ending of the German reparations payments. This I assume, is in 65, which had ended.

 

Ernst Zundel: [words unclear]

 

Caller 2: Just a minute.

 

Ernst Zundel: World Almanac reparations payment too.

 

Caller 2: These had accounted for about $70 million annually. Now, if you carry that for 20 years, that would be a total of 1, 400,000,000. Which does not come anywhere close to your figures.

 

So how do you account for that? This is to the state of Israel, money reparation.

 

[45:22]

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, how do I count for that?

 

Caller 2: You said 7 billion.

 

Ernst Zundel: I thought I went to the horse’s mouth.

 

Caller 2: I beg your pardon.

 

Ernst Zundel: I thought I went to the horse’s mouth.

 

Caller 2: Yeah, but you went to the wrong horse.

 

Caller 1: Your zoology is all wrong.

 

Ernst Zundel: It’s the person that pays the Bill usually less in funds than the person that, …

 

Caller 1: He usually tries to build up what he paid, though.

 

Radio Host: Well, in terms of Britannica, though, I would assume that to arrive at any figure they would go to more than both sides. Again you have to, …

 

Caller 1: Definitely! And through the fact that it involves the changing of funds into international currency of some kind.

 

Radio Host: Right. Well, when we use the term dollar, it is accepted that it is the American dollar.

 

Caller 1: Yes, that’s right. That’s the international currency.

 

Ernst Zundel: Hold on for a moment. I’m mulling this thing over here.

 

Caller 1: Yeah, it’s probably 7 billion in Reichmarks is that would make it a billion 400,000!

 

Radio Host: Yes, it wouldn’t it?

 

Caller 1: Yeah, 7 billion Reichmarks would make it a billion 400,000.

 

Ernst Zundel: The ratio is not.

 

Radio Host: No, the ratio is 3 to 1, isn’t it?

 

Caller 1:5 to 1.

 

Ernst Zundel: No, no.

 

Caller 1:4 to 1. Something around there.

 

Ernst Zundel: It’s now 32 cents per mark.

 

Caller 1: That’s now. So that’s now. The dollar has fallen. The Mark is up, is very strong.

 

Radio Host: Right. So there are three marks in the dollar, roughly.

 

Ernst Zundel: No more. There’s, …

 

Radio Host: Well, like in terms of 31 billion marks, you got your figure. $10 billion.

 

Ernst Zundel: Roughly. Yeah.

 

Radio Host: I mean, we’re being rough, but you know.

 

Caller 1: So you speak German? Maybe they told him in Germany he doesn’t understand!

 

Ernst Zundel: Very funny, very funny!

 

Radio Host: Well, anybody can look it up if they have Britannica.

 

Caller 1: Yeah, of course, you shouldn’t argue with [word unclear].

 

Radio Host: Anyway, this is curious. I’m looking up to find, you know, where I. Again, you see, there are cross indexes here and I have the United Nations roster to find out, you know, where to find West Germany. I can’t find them on the roster here.

 

Caller 1: Look for it on the Republic of West Germany.

 

Ernst Zundel: No no, West Germany is not a member of the United Nations.

 

Radio Host: I was coming to that conclusion and I was afraid to say so, but it appears it is not a member of the United Nations.

 

Caller 1: I wonder why?

 

Ernst Zundel: Germany wasn’t at the time considered to be fit to be part of member nation.

 

Radio Host: Well, well, well, there are 124 members. Neither Germany is here.

 

Ernst Zundel: No, neither will you find, I think South Korea and North Korea. Neither South Vietnam and North Vietnam.

 

Radio Host: That’s right. They’re not here.

 

Ernst Zundel: That’s right.

 

Caller 1: Let me go on. Can I go on for something that has a similar, two similar suggestions that are made that relate somehow to your suggestion, it’s a speculation as to whether what you do will have the desired effect. You know, Israel can pay out this two or $3 billion or whatever it happens to be, and it should go down the drain, down the Suez Canal and hear no more about it. And they should be just as violent.

 

So it would be a pretty dangerous thing for Israel to carry that out on your say so.

 

Let me ask something else now. It is suggested that Israel, in the case of this attack on Beirut, that as a matter of fact, the message came the Pope after he had been criticised for his first statement, he made another statement which wasn’t a very satisfactory either one. It sounded like he was saying:

 

“Well, you’re both wrong, so both stop fighting.”

 

It suggested that if the Israelis wouldn’t retaliate, which is what they’re being charged with, that the Salahi, that the Al Fatah and the terrorists would stop crossing the border.

 

Now, anyone who thinks that if the Israelis would not respond, then the people on the Jordanian side, the terrorists would stop, you know, must be out of his mind! What else can the Israelis do if they’re being shot at? They shoot back. You know, they were to stop in order to conform to what the Pope suggests and other very kind people are suggesting that they should stop escalating it. They’ll be run over!

 

Ernst Zundel: The jews have a law, a eye for a eye, a tooth for a tooth.

 

Caller 1: Oh, come on now!

 

The next thing you’re going to tell me, the next thing you’re going to tell me is that I belong to a tribe. You know, you sound like something out of the Middle Ages!

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, Life magazine has [word unclear] that.

 

Caller 1: I don’t care what Life magazine does! You know, what’s this “eye for an eye” business? That went out of fashion 2500 years ago!

 

Radio Host: Well, it’s back in vogue now because it’s interpreted by many as referring to transplants! [chuckling]

 

Caller 1: Israel is clear that the reason for their attack on the Beirut airport, and they made specific, they made very good, very good care that no one should be hurt, was to teach the Arab countries around there that the Israeli Airlines was not something that could be just thrown away. They had to show them it wasn’t an eye for an eye. It wasn’t revenge of any kind. It was to teach them that if they carried on the path that they were following that they would suffer for it! Which would make them stop. And this has been the reason for all the Israeli so-called retaliation. What they get is the time of peace. And usually it has happened. There has been hardly any fighting around this way because the Israelis hit back hard!

 

[50:39]

 

Ernst Zundel: Every news commentator that I have listened to from the United States, from Europe and the GDC, they all say that these terrorist organisations have succeeded in their primary aim and that is to make Israel overreact. Would you say Israel overreacted?

 

Caller 1: No, I wouldn’t. I don’t see how she could overreact. I don’t see how she could overreact by destroying 13 aeroplanes in exchange for human life. That’s not an overreaction.

 

Ernst Zundel: [words unclear]

 

Radio Host: How’s that?

 

Ernst Zundel: Everybody else seems to think so. Including [word unclear].

 

Caller 1: Now, tell me something. What difference does it make in a question of right and wrong what everybody else thinks?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, first again there is your right and there is they are wrong and there is you’re wrong and they are right.

 

Radio Host: Okay, just before somebody calls up and correct us on it, let me correct it.

 

As far as the Deutsche marks is concerned, there are 3.988 per US dollar. Okay gentlemen. The last gentleman who is on the line. Are you satisfied with the point you made?

 

Caller 2: Yeah. I have one more point to make.

 

Radio Host: What is it, sir?

 

Caller 2: Have you ever heard of the flying carpet notion whereby about a million jews would [word unclear] all the Arab countries including Yemen, Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt and Syria, were all thrown into Israel without a penny in their pockets and it was the Israeli government who undertook them, closed them, fed them and gave them jobs. They came into Israel without a penny in their pocket.

 

Radio Host: Right. Well, in terms of restitution or reparation, it has been suggested by our caller that these people be included.

 

Caller 2: Yes, but why they forgotten? When everybody talks about the Palestinian refugees, what about these people?

 

Radio Host: Well, as was suggested when I when mention it that it had not been mentioned before. It’s a suggestion from a staff member who was in the booth with me at the time.

 

Caller 1: Would the restitution come from the Arab government? They should be the ones responsible because that’s where they came from.

 

Caller 2: Exactly!

 

Caller 1: And can you imagine them doing it?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, look, why don’t give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

Caller 1: Give whom the benefit of the doubt?

 

Ernst Zundel: The Arab government, put you on the spot.

 

Caller 1: Are you a journalist? Did you say you’re a journalist?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I’m a journalist.

 

Caller 1: Why are you dreaming? Why are you having these dreams?

 

Ernst Zundel: You know something? I have to make a very basic point here.

 

Caller 1: Yes.

 

Ernst Zundel: You people. And this is so evidently so when you listen to these open lines. You are extremely sensitive! And you are always having such a perfect taste.

 

Caller 1: It has nothing to do with this! It has nothing to do with it!

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m a fan of Sherlock Holmes and of Perry Mason and you know about Perry Mason? Everybody that watches television, you know what Perry Mason does? He usually investigates the guy with the perfect alibi first.

 

Caller 1: Do you know something else? I’ve listened to you two evenings. I haven’t heard you say a good thing about the Israelis.

 

Ernst Zundel: I haven’t?

 

Caller 1: No.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, my suggestion was that they should possibly pay restitution.

 

Caller 1: What kind of a good thing is this? This is the sort of a dream that has no relation to reality.

 

Caller 2: Can I bring in another point just for a second? It says here in the same yearbook, just a little bit smaller paragraph below, it says:

 

“A new series of terrorist attacks in border areas originating mainly in Jordan and Syria and later also in Lebanon, began during the year.”

 

Now, this is back in 65.

 

Caller 1: Of course, this is true. I was in Israel last spring. I was shooting a film there. And part of my filming was along the Lebanese border. There was an old synagogue about three miles from the border. Just about three hours after I had passed there and done my work, a mine was blown up. Now, this was way over, way over near the Western, near the Mediterranean Sea, just south of the Lebanese border.

 

Now, for any Jordanian or Syrian to have been able to go all the way from there east of the Jordan to plant that mine would have been impossible. This was a Lebanese mine. And there have been incidents from Lebanon time after time after time! The Israeli intelligence is excellent! As a matter of fact the Jordanians have just today hunt two spies, or they call them spies who are spying for Israel, if you can imagine that.

 

So the Israeli intelligence is pretty good. When they say that they know what’s going on inside Lebanon, I’m pretty sure that they know.

 

[54:56]

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah, I agree with you.

 

Caller 1: Okay?

 

Ernst Zundel: That’s a good thing to say about Israel?

 

Caller 1: Well, you’re absolutely impossible! Here you have a country. You know, I feel, when I read my, I don’t understand it when I read my Bible, I feel embarrassed about something that the Israelites did 2,000 years ago. I say:

 

“Why should my people have behaved like that?”

 

You know, I’m not really guilty, but I feel sorry that they should have. That it shouldn’t be one of our traits. Here you have a people in the Middle East whose only existence., … Now, I’m not a Zionist, that’s why I’m saying this. Whose existence, Israel is due solely at this point in history. Who knows when they might have created, if at all! At this point in history, it’s due solely to the behaviour of your people! You see, and you have the gall, the chutzpah to come along on a public show and to make criticism of them, why they’re there they shouldn’t have been there in the first place or something else.

 

Ernst Zundel: Did I say that?

 

Caller 1: Well, you certainly suppose that from the way you talk.

 

Radio Host: Well, again, you see, the caller accused you of hearing what you want to hear before, and this is evidence of it. He never did say that.

 

Ernst Zundel: I would be perfectly happy to give you the Arab case. What they say:

 

“Why you shouldn’t be there, if you want to.”

 

Radio Host: Well, I don’t know if any of you are listening on my Saturday morning program. Late in the program, we did get someone who outlined it on Viewpoint Tonight. If any of you are watching, it was outlined again. There are three sides to this story. There’s the Israeli side, the Arab side, and the truth!

 

Caller 1: Well, of course, that doesn’t necessarily follow. It’s possible that one of the two sides is true.

 

Radio Host: Unfortunately, no. This is, it’s just like in the case of a divorce or anything else. There’s his side, there’s her side, and then there’s the truth!

 

Caller 1: That’s very clever. But in an actual situation where you have two antagonists, it’s very possible that one of the side is more right than the other.

 

Radio Host: According to whom, though? You see, according to the Israelis, they’re right. The Arabs are wrong. According to the Arabs, they’re right. The Israelis are wrong.

 

Now, I’m not saying to be objective. I do not believe anyone can be objective. And I don’t care who says that you can be objective in this case. All I say is that you should be fair!

 

This is why I am accused by Arabs of being anti-Arab and I’m accused by Israelis of being anti-Israeli.

 

Caller 1: That’s quite unfair to you because you have to be fair as a moderator and present both sides of the coin. I can understand the Arab point of view, although I think it’s wrong.

 

Radio Host: Yeah. But on this issue, I’m the only host of a programme on this station to my knowledge that is getting threats against my life and so on over this issue.

 

Caller 2: It won’t come from me. I think you’re pretty good.

 

Caller 1: What I was going to say is this. If you take the Israeli and the Arab position, the Israelis have nowhere else to go. There’s some suggestion made that on the part of so-called anti-zionist and some Arab books I’ve read and articles that the European jews. Let me state now several things here, that the European jews who are now in Israel who came from Eastern Europe should go back since they’re not Mediterranean, but they’re probably descended from the Khazari who were a Turkish people in the Crimea 1300 years ago. That they’re really Europeans, blue eyed, blonde, so they shouldn’t be in Israel at all! You can well imagine this kind of a suggestion that Ben Gurion, who was born in Russia, that the Russians would let him back into Russia.

 

In other words, he’s going to stay there. Certainly the Israeli disciples who were born there are going to stay there.

 

And can you imagine the Yemenites who were born in [word unclear] to go back there? And the Egyptians to go back to Egypt? So it’s not very likely to happen.

 

Ernst Zundel: May I just come in here?

 

Caller 1: Let me just finish that. So the Israelis, when they say they are going to stay, they’re going to stay.

 

That’s one side of the coin. You can believe that’s their point of view and I can see their point of view and I don’t see how anyone else can. I mean, what’s wrong with that point of view?

 

But then you get the Arab side of it which says they’re going to drive them into the sea, get rid of them! Can that be correct as well? How can it?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, can I come into the point here?

 

Caller 1: Yeah.

 

Ernst Zundel: According to The Jewish Encyclopedia, Volume 4, Pages 1 to 5, it deals with what you just outlined, the Khazars.

 

Caller 1: The Khazaris, yeah.

 

Ernst Zundel: Right. And it says in there:

 

“That the Khazar Empire, it was founded by Asiatic Mongol people in the first year after the birth of Christ and existed till about the 14th century.”

 

As you said. But it had its peak in the seventh and eighth century. These people were heathen and they’re converted to Judaism.

 

Caller 1: That’s true. Okay, so what’s that got to do with the Israelis right now? And the Mediterranean in 1969.

 

Ernst Zundel: This is on which much of the Arab argument is based on. If you had heard the UN debate.

 

Caller 1: Yeah, but you see, you’ve got to start from where you are. You can’t start from where you were 500 years ago. The Israelis are now. What is going to happen to Ben Gurion, for example? Would he go back to Russia?

 

[1:00:19]

 

Ernst Zundel: No, no. May I make a point here, a philosophic point, if I may?

 

Caller 1: Yeah. Okay.

 

Ernst Zundel: So the Arabs and [word unclear] that was speaking at the United Nations, he was horrified over CBC at the time of the Arab-Israeli war. He said precisely that.

 

In other words, he said:

 

“The Khazars were converted to Judaism or what was called then Talmudism.”

 

And like, …

 

Caller 1: Watch, watch it. What’s Talmudism? There’s no such thing. Just stick to what you know.

 

Ernst Zundel: Look, I’m quoting the Jewish Encyclopedia, volume 4 pages one to five, …

 

Caller 1: Talmudism? Okay.

 

Ernst Zundel: In the seventh century, Judaism. It wasn’t called Judaism. It was called Talmudism.

 

Caller 1: Oh, come on! I don’t know who wrote that, but this is all nonsense!

 

Radio Host: All right. Who wrote the Jewish Encyclopedia?

 

Ernst Zundel: I suppose a couple of anti-semites!

 

Radio Host: [chuckling]

 

Caller 1: So what? They disappeared. They disappeared in the 14th century. What’s that got to do with the German jews?

 

Ernst Zundel: They didn’t disappear. That’s precisely the point!

 

Caller 1: Of course they became Christians. They were absorbed into the Russian Empire.

 

Ernst Zundel: They didn’t become Christians.

 

Caller 1: Where are they?

 

Ernst Zundel: They were spread all over the Soviet Union, all over the Balkans. And this is why you have such a big amount of Eastern European jews. They are called the Khazars. And do you know, difference between the Sephardic and Ashkenazis?

 

Caller 1: The Khazars, …

 

Ernst Zundel: The total percent, the [word unclear] state. And the Jewish Encyclopedia has a map in the book. 80% of the world’s jewish population today are Khazars. In other words, they are converted!

 

Caller 1: What are you talking about?

 

Ernst Zundel: Precisely. That’s what the Arabs are saying.

 

Therefore. Just a minute now. Look, this is the argument. You have to look at their argument and you have to look at your argument and then we can arrive at something. That’s why the Arabs say that, …

 

Caller 1: Well, the Arabs don’t know what they’re talking about and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Because, … Let’s forget about it. Let’s forget about it!

 

[1:02:21]

 

 

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Monika Schaefer: All right, greetings. Hello everyone. Good day. Good afternoon wherever you are. Today is November 16th, 2024. You are listening to the Republic Broadcasting Network at RepublicBroadcasting.org. This is episode 20 of The Flipside with Monika. I am your host, Monika Schaefer.

 

And today I am absolutely delighted to have a guest who is a very good friend of mine, Kathleen Dudley. She was born and raised not too far from where I grew up near Edmonton, Alberta, in a small town just north of there, but now is residing in the United States, in New Mexico, in fact, and has been, I think you became an American citizen quite a few years ago.

 

Before I bring Kathleen on, I’ll just remind the listener that this is listener supported. So if you possibly can support the Republic Broadcasting Network, go to the website@republicbroadcasting.org and you will find the donate button there. And there are different ways of donating, either directly or by supporting the sponsors.

 

And I always encourage people also to share these shows, tell other people about the Republic Broadcasting Network. There are many good shows on this network and you’re not going to hear this kind of stuff on the mainstream media or what some people call the “Mockingbird Media”. Okay.

 

And I will also tell people about the chat room. It’s at the flipside w.monica.chatango.com and you can share things there. And I share things there from time to time. And yeah. So I wanted to tell you about that.

 

Okay. So Kathleen, are you there? Can you hear me?

 

Kathleen Dudley: I can. And thank you very much, Monika. I’ve been looking forward to this and what a surprise and a privilege and a joy.

 

Monika Schaefer: Thank you. Well, I’ve been looking forward to this for quite some time. This has been sometime in the making, I think we could see. I’ll just tell the listener a little bit about how we first met. You interviewed me. You were producing some content. You had a YouTube channel and I think you still do, although probably a lot of the videos that were a little bit more in the forbidden territory. You have, I think, an Odysee channel or maybe you can tell us about that in a moment. But where you have most of your content. And you were interviewing me. That’s how we first met.

 

And then you ended up in your own big battle. It had nothing to do with World War II history, like my big court epic, you know, battles. [chuckling] But I found it quite amusing, to tell you the truth! It was rather amusing. That doesn’t matter what somebody’s trials and tribulations are about somehow there seems to always be a jew in the mix that brings in the Holocaust into it! [chuckling]

 

And the background to that is that I attended your trial, but it was virtual trial. Everybody was on Zoom and there were a bunch of people visible on the screen. And at some point, one of these people on the other side of things was pointing out to the judge:

 

“Oh, there’s somebody there on, in the witness in the room here, like on the Zoom screen. Do you know who that is?”

 

And I can’t remember exactly how they put it, but it was really quite comical, if you ask me, that somehow they managed to bring the Holocaust into it because they were pointing at me, my presence there and that I am, you know, quote, unquote, “a Holocaust denier”.

 

So this was supposed to smear you by association, which., … Well, there you go. Even though your trial had nothing to do with the Holocaust or World War II history, it was about other things.

 

But that’s not what we’re here to talk about today. Unless you wanted to share, you know, any background about that, Kathleen, because I know that in your process of going through the court system, you learned a lot! Do you want to talk touch on that at all?

 

Kathleen Dudley: Well, not unless it comes in indirectly in the rest of what we’re talking about. I think I’d rather stick to our plan, thank you.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes, well, that’s the thing, our plan. Actually, Kathleen had approached me a few weeks ago and said:

 

“Well, I’m really looking forward to when you have a guest on that’s going to explain somebody who’s really an expert on fascism. Who can tell us what is fascism, what is that?”

 

And here we are today and it’s you and me talking about this subject of fascism because we, we’ve talked about this a little bit and you know, this term “fascist” is a term that is thrown around, bandied about willy nilly, constantly, all the time. And I would guess that 99% of the people who use that term just willy nilly to basically, if somebody’s bad:

 

“Oh, they’re a fascist!”

 

Or if some government or politician:

 

“Oh, that’s a fascist!”

 

You know. [chuckling] And I don’t think they have a clue what is fascism. So we both kind of dug into that a little bit, although I think you did more than I did.

 

So that’s what we want to unravel today a little bit. What is that? I mean, is fascism, does that deserve to be used as such a weaponized label that just means something really bad and what do people actually mean by it when they call somebody a fascist? I really think they have no clue. What do you think, Kathleen?

 

[07:19]

 

Kathleen Dudley: Well, I tend to agree with you. I think words are weaponized, as we know, and they’re the grimoire, the book of magic spells and incantations. And we’ve seen that you use the word “Trump”, and all of a sudden someone goes ballistic, or you use the word “Nazi” and someone goes ballistic.

 

But more than that, a picture, an image is created in their mind, and it evokes emotions and there’s no thought. It bypasses the reason. It bypasses the brain. It bypasses the capacity to be logical.

 

And that’s how words have been used. And they’ve been used that way for hundreds and hundreds of years. And fascism is one of those.

 

And so when I first talked with you about this, Monika, I said there’s two words, Nazi and fascist. And I said:

 

“Both of those need to be really torn apart and explained.”

 

And fascism has been on my radar. And between the two of us, I now have a sense that I understand “fascism”. And I’d like for other people to understand it so that they don’t get caught into that incantation, that spell, that grimoire of the word. Because how we use language expresses our clarity and our understanding of life. And if we aren’t clear with the use of our language, then we’re not clear in the direction in which we walk in life.

 

So to me, it’s critical. What’s your thought on that?

 

Monika Schaefer: Absolutely! Before I got a little bit of a deeper understanding of what is fascism, Because I’m still certainly no expert on it, but I do know a little bit more now than I did even just a short while ago. I still had the feeling, though, that people were using it wrongly and that it was just another one of these demonized words like Nazi. A demonized, you know, weaponized word. What does it actually mean?

 

And so I would say to people, when they use that word, or even people who are in our community of truth tellers and people who seem to know that were being lied to about this and that, but they would still use that word. So to those people, I would say:

 

“Look, I think that that word has been wrongly vilified and used, even though I myself did not yet know really what it was, but I still had the sense that they shouldn’t be just calling somebody a fascist if in the sense that, oh, that’s bad. You know, they’re bad.”

 

And so, yeah, it, we do need to stop people in their tracks when they’re using it, when we know that they should know better.

 

So that’s our mission today, to bring that out a little bit. Why don’t you talk a little bit about. Oh, well, in our, in our discussions we were talking about Ernst Zundel and then who was Ernst Zundel’s mentor? Adrian Arcand. And that’s the man who really helped Ernst Zundel wake up! And in his own words, he felt “born again”, born again to the truth! Adrian Arcand, he is a Canadian, was a Canadian man. He’s no longer alive. That was a while back. And he did, I think it was like a 10 minute talk that we both really liked because he explains fascism. Do you want to tell us a little bit about that?

 

Kathleen Dudley: Sure. Adrian Arcand was born in 1899 and he died in 1967. He was a politician and a writer and a journalist.

 

And the interesting thing is, of course, when you look at the jew Wikipedia, you know, he was a “fascist” politician. You know, it’s like name calling. It’s juvenile use of words, because it’s not meant in a descriptive way, it’s meant in a demonizing way.

 

 

So when he was interviewed, and I love this interview because it made it very, very clear.

 

And if you do a deep dive and you go on Wikipedia and you go on to the online dictionaries, the story of what fascism is so convoluted. What he says is:

 

“Fascism means nationalizing.”

 

He said it is:

 

“It’s the control of a nation by its nationals.”

 

And then you go:

 

“Oh, what’s a national?”

 

“So it’s having or expressing strong identification with one’s own nation and vigorous support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.”

 

So, for example, as a German born woman, while you’re a Canadian born, but you’re of German ancestry, you might have very strong nationalistic identification for Germany and its culture as it was. Would that be correct?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes. Basically fascism is nationalism.

 

And it’s important to distinguish the word nationalism from patriotism, because nationalism means nationhood. And nationhood means your ethnic racial group. This is what you are loyal to this is who you want your country to be, geared towards the benefit of your people, basically.

 

And so now that really would explain why in our mainstream, you know, weaponized lingo that’s been foisted upon us, that word has been turned into a weaponized label that is just so demonized! Because, I mean, who is it that owns the banks and owns the media? It is jewish. You know, it’s organized jewry. It’s jews who don’t like fascism precisely because it is basically an opposite of their agenda. It’s people working in their nations for their nation. And if your leaders are fascist, that’s a good thing. They are working for our interests in our nation and our nationhood. Back to you, Kathleen.

 

[14:26]

 

Kathleen Dudley: Okay.

 

And so what’s most interesting, too, if we look at what is happening today, to identify as a White woman, to identify with my ancestral origins, is considered very negative. That I could be considered a criminal in one way or another. It’s leading in those directions.

 

[See: What World-Famous Men Said About the Jews]

 

Now, one of the things that Adrian Arcand said was that the First World War was a revolt against the high culture and civilization of Germany. And it was to implant communism in Russia. And so that was what the First World War was about. And it was the most strategic place in the world because it was touching Europe, the Near East and Asia.

 

And then the Second World War, it widened the scope of communism, it spread it, and it smashed down the empires of the Western world. Now high culture is what has been targeted by the Bolsheviks, the jews, both in Russia in the Bolshevik Revolution and World War I and World War II in Germany. And we see today the Christian ethics being absolutely trounced upon.

 

So one of the things that Adrian Arkan looked at was what was happening right at the time he was in Canada and doing his work as a journalist. Rene Levesque was powerful at that point in time as well. And I remember, as you mentioned, I grew up in Canada. I remember his party. He was hard Left. And he described that he himself was far-Right. And he said, and this is defining fascism in a broader sense. And he’s saying:

 

“The Right affirms the sum total of tradition, which is made of high culture. And high culture consists of music and the arts and literature and science and mathematics. And it’s about revering these cultural classics.”

 

And he said:

 

“It’s also about the existence of God, the existence of a human soul and the dignity of man and freedom, private property and the sacred rights of family, also of free enterprise, the free activity of free men and free markets.”

 

On the opposite spectrum of socialism, where Rene Levesque was postulating and socialism was defined by the Soviets, it denies God, it denies the human soul, it denies freedom, the dignity of man, it denies the sacred rights of family. It denies free enterprise. It denies private property and private initiative.

 

So if you take a look at everything on the Left having to do with socialism, which in essence was the precursor to communism, which is Marxism, it’s all negative. And there was no substitution, there was no alternative.

 

Whereas on the Right, it’s about family, it’s about high culture, it’s about valuing individuality.

 

And so all we have to do is take a look at, here’s this man who’s been claimed and called a fascist, and he acknowledges that he is, but his values are the values that are of very high morals and ethics. And I would be proud to walk beside and be a part of his legacy, which I feel like I am. And I’m proud to know that fascism, in fact, is a very positive and important word that embodies Christian ethics.

 

So if you take a look at who’s throwing the daggers at the fascists, it’s the communists! It’s the Marxists! They’re the ones.

 

And as I was doing my reading and looking at definitions and articles on fascism, the editors or the authors of those articles were, in one case, a Sephardic jew. And who is building Wikipedia on our computers?

 

So here we have a very clear explanation, in my opinion, of the difference between fascism and communism.

 

Monika Schaefer: Basically, they’re polar opposites. So fascism, …

 

Kathleen Dudley: Exactly!

 

Monika Schaefer: It just sounds to me like fascism is the opposite of communism! And when you say you would be honored to walk beside this man, you’re talking about Adrian Arcand, are you?

 

Kathleen Dudley: Yes!

 

Monika Schaefer: And let me just mention that Adrian Arcand spent six years in a concentration camp.

 

Now, when I heard that, I thought:

 

“Oh, I just assumed in Europe.”

 

Like, somehow I didn’t know why. I didn’t know that much about him. I didn’t know why in Europe, but I just thought, well, that’s where these concentration camps were that we all have heard about so much. But, no, he was in a concentration camp in Canada for six years during the war.

 

Now, the war didn’t last six years, so did he go into the concentration camp? Was he pulled in? You know, was he arrested and thrown in there before the war?

 

Kathleen Dudley: Yes.

 

Monika Schaefer: Or did they just keep him? Is that correct?

 

Kathleen Dudley: I think it was 1940.

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh. So after the war began. But then they held him in there for six years in a Canadian concentration camp. That blew my mind! I didn’t even know that that existed. Although we’ve all heard about the camps for the Japanese and that. But here was this French-Canadian guy from Quebec, right?

 

So, yeah, but he was a fascist, which is the polar opposite of communism, and communism is what the Bolsheviks were. And we know that that was overwhelmingly a jewish operation. And even the jews say it themselves basically that:

 

“Judaism is communism and communism is Judaism.”

 

So that’s one and the same thing. So we could just call it what it is.

 

Kathleen Dudley: Right. And so here we do have this name calling, and yet it is actually a compliment if you believe in God, if you believe in the sacredness of family, if you believe in individuality, if you believe in free market enterprise, if you believe in the right to own property.

 

So why would someone be hurling the word “fascist” against someone with spit and venom, when in fact it’s really an accolade? It’s such a positive characteristic!

 

And if you look too this has been going on for so long, and fascism originated from my reading in Italy. And Ezra Pound, who most people will know and will be very familiar with his Cantos and his famous poem on usury, Usura. He was an American poet and he had many protege. He had T.S. Eliot and Ernest Hemingway. And my mind goes blank on the others, but there were four Pulitzer Prize winners, and he was never awarded that Pulitzer Prize himself.

 

But he went to Italy, and during the wars, he was doing broadcasting, exposing the communist spread that was taking place in the Soviet Union as a result of the Bolshevik Revolution that hit in October 1917. And after the war, he was imprisoned by the US military and was kept in an iron cage. And then he was declared insane and put in St. Elizabeth’s Hospital in Washington, D.C. Where he wrote his most famous work, the Cantos. And finally he was released through the help of his friends. One was Ernest Hemingway. But we see how demonized, how threatening words are.

 

And so if you can take a word and twist it, turn it upside down, flip it, the flipside, right? And if people don’t do the deep dive and really look at, well, what does that word mean, then they become under the spell, that grimoire.

 

And so it’s our responsibility to pull apart everything that is being used against us so that we can shine light on it and walk proudly, knowing that with fascist beliefs, we are honorable people with integrity.

 

[25:08]

 

Monika Schaefer: Well said, Kathleen. That is so well said!

 

In fact, from now on, when somebody throws that word around, going to say:

 

“Thank you, I’m a fascist. That’s a wonderful thing to be!”

 

And then if it’s people who are throwing that word around unknowingly or ignorant of the meaning of it. Because like I said earlier, even people who understand the truth about the “Covidocaust” or about the “Holocaust”, they understand they’re kind of most of the way there in terms of waking up to many of the lies around us.

 

I mean, I suppose we’re always learning more and more, but they will still bandy about that word. And to them, that would be very effective, especially to them, because it will stop them in their tracks:

 

“Say what? What do you mean?”

 

And then it gives us the opportunity to explain this word in the shortest form, you say:

 

“Well, it’s the opposite of communism.”

 

And then we can expand on that and wow, that was a wonderful explanation. Yeah, really good!

 

And I just want to say before the bottom of the hour, and I should have done this at the top of the hour when we began, but I really was just coming off of the previous hour with Frederick C. Blackburn on his Saturday Snack Shack.

 

And I encourage listeners, if you don’t already tune into his show, you really should because it’s just such a great show and you can always find it in the archives.

 

So I was a little bit, not completely my brain was still sort of wired on that. But I just wanted to say, Kathleen, a little bit of background on my friend Kathleen. She’s a poet, a singer, a healer, musician with, I think, several instruments, a writer. And you have many talents and skills that I think you should name a few more because I think I only just touched on those things. But the healing really intrigues me. You have a lot of knowledge on healing ourselves, and that is a very, very wonderful and important skill to have. And maybe you can share with people where they can find you if they are seeking healing help, for instance, because I know that you do this as your work.

 

Kathleen Dudley: Well, thank you, Monika. Yes, I’m a reflexologist. I’ve also studied homeopathy and a lot of herbs and nutrition. And I have a website, it’s katdudley, KATDUDLEY dot com, and you can find me there.

 

And I’m also a builder of steps and, …

 

Monika Schaefer: Construction, we’re talking about?

 

Kathleen Dudley: Yes. And carports. And I love to build as well, so I have a strong intellectual draw, but I love the physical as well. I’m spreading large rock at the moment and rebuilding rock walls, so it helps keep me spry. [chuckling]

 

Monika Schaefer: That’s wonderful! [chuckling] Yeah. It actually just was so much fun for me to see the things you are building. And I’m thinking:

 

“Wow, that’s really very nice that you just take this on, you learn how to do it and you obviously must have acquired a few tools and just go at it!”

 

That’s great!

 

Kathleen Dudley: Thank you. Before we go to the break, I wanted to mention one thing that Adrian Arcand said in his, in that interview. He said:

 

“He said there is no anti-semitism. It never existed! He said it is a natural reaction against an assault of anti-gentilism which is non-jewish.”

 

He said:

 

“It’s a jewish conspiracy because I read it from jewish authors!”

 

Monika Schaefer: That’s great! [chuckling] That’s beautiful, Kathleen. Okay, hold on everybody. And we’ll be back in a few minutes.

 

[29:34]

 

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Monika Schaefer: All right, I’d like to welcome you all back to The Flipside with Monika. And I would like to first of all, give out the numbers. We invite people to call in the second half of the hour.

 

So the number you can call in is 512-248-8252. That’s 512-248-8252 or 1-800-313-9443. We invite you to join our conversation with Kathleen Dudley and myself. And I’d also like to remind you that if you have the means, if you can possibly support this network because it is listener supported and some older equipment, I know that they’re looking to replace some of their older equipment.

 

But anyway, during the break, Kathleen and I were kind of laughing about the fact that she had asked me to have a guest that would explain these words, “fascism” and some of these other words.

 

And I said to her, well, careful what you wish for, [chuckling] because here she is and she’s doing a marvelous job of explaining the fascism and fascist, the whole concept of that.

 

So, okay, Kathleen, why don’t we carry on with that discussion? And we had mentioned that there are some other words as well that we could go into that perhaps people don’t have really the best understanding of well, one word that came to mind right at the beginning that you mentioned already was “Nazi” and we know there’s a history of that. It was actually a jew who put that word into the lexicon to denigrate the National Socialists. Do you want to talk about that a little bit?

 

[39:02]

 

Kathleen Dudley: Well, I haven’t done the deep dive on that.

 

Monika Schaefer: Okay.

 

Kathleen Dudley: But one of the things that I found very interesting from Adrian Arcand was that he said that the term “fascism”, when it arose in the 1920s in Italy, the word “Nazism” arose in Germany, but that that had to do with Nazi-lism Nazi-nationalism, and that it was really about nationalistic perspectives expressing strong identification with one’s own nation and vigorous support for its interest. So I was quite surprised by that.

 

And then also in Spain, there was another term using their Spanish language, which I don’t recall. So that’s really all I can contribute at this moment.

 

Monika Schaefer: Okay. No, but that’s even just that about the Nazi-lism with the “l” in there. So nationalism. And that is that word that the Bolsheviks, the jews, they don’t like that concept of nationalism. And that would be like fascism. That would be so that’s why those words are so demonized! And anybody that does anything bad these days is called a Nazi, or a fascist. That’s why those terms are so demonized!

 

But you know that this is something that I am very, very interested in and have talked quite a lot about. My brother Alfred talks about it a lot, is our language and how our language has been so turned against us to compartmentalize our brains, to stop us from thinking straight, to frighten people, to make people think:

 

“Oh, we can’t talk about that. And we can’t talk about this!”

 

And make people scared to say anything anymore. And that’s all it is, really.

 

And so if we can take these words, first of all, to clarify in our heads that they are just weaponized words, and in most cases, they actually have been turned upside down to mean the opposite. Like you illustrated so well with the word fascist.

 

And then, you know, run with it. When somebody calls you something bad like this, say:

 

“Thank you. Thank you for noticing!”

 

It’s surprising how quickly it takes the wind out of their sails. You know, if somebody says:

 

“Oh, you’re an anti-semite!”

 

“Oh, thank you. Thank you for noticing. Yeah, you should be too!”

 

Something like that. [chuckling] Right? So it’s what we do with these epithets thrown at us that we can kind of change the discourse. What do you think about that?

 

Kathleen Dudley: Well, and people don’t even know that Semites are Arabs.

 

And so when you say you’re anti-semitic, you’re against the Arabs, well, that doesn’t even make sense because we’re talking about the jews and we’re talking about the Sephardic jews, and we’re talking about the Khazarian jews. We’re talking about. We’re not even talking about the biblical jews because the Hebrews, the descendants of that is so minuscule today.

 

And so the jews that have evolved to today have moved into countries, have moved into religions, have moved into businesses. They’ve basically taken on the sheep’s clothing that the wolf is wearing. And it’s been done slyly, very cleverly. And so everything has been done with duplicity. And that’s what we’re finding as we unbury the garbled of these words, the grimoire, the confusion.

 

And so once we find the truth in all of that, then we can shine the light on it. And that is what the rats in the center of the room don’t want. They’ll scurry to the edges.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes, they will.

 

Now, Kathleen, there is something else that you have been doing over the last few months. I think you’ve been doing a lot of reading, and once you started, you just couldn’t get enough. Why don’t you tell us a little bit. What got you started in this direction? I won’t mention. I’ll let you talk about what have you been getting into so deeply reading, reading, reading lately? Tell us, please.

 

Kathleen Dudley: Okay. Well, I’ve always been a reader, but in January of 2023, I did a deep dive on 19th century and, 20th century writers, which introduced me to Ezra Pound and all of his contemporaries, T.S. Eliot, Robert Frost. And then there were quotes by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn in that. And I was in the courts at that time.

 

 

And so there was tremendous angst and tremendous pressure and assault. And I needed a place to be able to go for truth and for some sense of a spiritual lift. And I was talking to a friend and he had been reading The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

 

And I thought:

 

“Okay, it’s time for me to read him.”

 

I remember when he was exiled from the Soviet Union, and it’s time, it’s just time. And there are three volumes of the Gulag Archipelago, and I started diving into them.

 

Now, at that time, I was being threatened with imprisonment. And so I was trying to figure out how this arrest was going to go. And curiously, the first chapter in the first volume of The Gulag Archipelago is called The Arrest. And it was as many a hundred different ways to skin a cat. You know, they came at night. It was always secretively done. Innocent people were taken and they were shipped off to Gulags, they were shipped off to prisons in Siberia. They were separated from family, and the rest of the citizens didn’t know or at various times, and they were threatened and they kept silent. And this went on and on. It went on as a result of the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917. And now Solzhenitsyn was born in 1918, so it was even a year after the revolution. But he was raised in this communist milieu.

 

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Now, his mother was of the Christian Orthodox faith, and his father had been killed when he was in the army. And so he was raised by his mother, and his mother wanted to raise him with Christian values. So he was taught the Russian Orthodox Christianity.

 

But he became a communist because that was just the way he was programed, along with all of his peers. And he was a writer just by nature, and wanted to be a writer. He knew he wanted to be a writer from the time he was about was very young, but I think about seven years old. He was in the army and he was corresponding with one of his compatriots, and his letter was intercepted and he was thrown into the Gulag under Stalin for speaking against Stalin’s concepts. And he was there for eight years, and then later he was exiled for three years.

 

And what he did during that time was he observed and he wrote. He was a real man of spiritual life, and he loved humanity, he loved the people, and he loved the Russian people.

 

And so he managed to develop his memory to such a degree that he memorized everything he wrote, and he memorized everything that other people told him, including writers, verbatim. He could quote them. And he had to store all this in his mind. And he did that whole time, the eight years that he was imprisoned.

 

And he was one of the very first to expose all of the atrocities of the Soviet Union’s repressive system and that they had been secretly perpetrating against their people. It was upwards of 100 million Christian Russians were murdered under Lenin and Stalin and even Khrushchev, even though that was considered the thaw. But he was then also removed because he was lessening his rule too much.

 

So Solzhenitsyn wrote these amazing books, his first one that they allowed to be published, because under Communist rule, under these repressive rulings, the censorship doesn’t want anything to move out into another country so that anyone can know what the atrocities are, what is going on. But because Khrushchev did this thaw, he allowed the book called One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich in 1962. And it was the first time a household could sit around the table and read about what had been going on to their people and how they’d been sent to the prisons and how they’ve been tortured and how they’ve been murdered, had they been pulled out of society and destroyed.

 

And this was it was allowed because Khrushchev thought that this was something that Solzhenitsyn was writing about, about Stalin and Lenin and didn’t realize that it also was being written about him. And it was also under Khrushchev that he was exonerated for his crimes, that he didn’t commit any crimes, but he was still exonerated.

 

 

And then he was writing the book called The Gulag Archipelago. And that book was a real deep dive. It’s the one that I read the three volumes of all of the tortures and all of the horrors of the Russian people.

 

And he had to pass it around on pieces of paper and on transcripts because he was constantly being followed. And it couldn’t get into the authorities hands or he would have been killed. But it did slip into the authorities hands through the secretary. And she was tortured and she ultimately committed suicide because she felt so responsible for the fact that she was the one that allowed the authorities to get this document.

 

And so he managed to get it out of the Soviet Union to the West. And it was published, and that was in 1973. And as a result of that publication, he was exiled from the Soviet Union.

 

And ultimately he moved to the United States in 1976, where he wrote the Red Wheel, which was the Russian Revolution of 1917 and dramatized. But this man is one of the most famous and most important Russian writers of modern time. And just his courage to be able to take the words and to honor the lives of all these people who were destroyed in the Gulags and under Stalin’s bloodbath.

 

And finally, when the Soviet Union collapsed, his wife and he regained their citizenship and in 1990, went back to Moscow, and he lived to quite an old age of 89. His wife is still alive. They have three sons. One of them, Ignat Solzhenitsyn, is a musician and a conductor who lives in the United States.

 

The other two are in the Soviet Union. But he’s known very famously for his Harvard speech. And I would highly recommend everyone going on YouTube and listening to it, because he’s warning about the dangers of the communist aggression and the weakening of the moral fiber of the West. And he says the materialism is really what has destroyed us in the West.

 

And I think if we do some reflecting, we can see how that is possible. And it is astonishing! He lived a tremendous life, and I am so grateful to him.

 

Monika Schaefer: That’s for sure. You know, interestingly enough, my brother Alfred, he was able to get these books from the prison library, The Gulag Archipelago, and he read them in prison. I was quite surprised by that they were available for him to read there. Wow! That’s such an interesting story. But I’m so surprised that when he had these books published, he was exiled for it. I’m kind of surprised they didn’t just, … Well, I suppose it would have put more attention on the books if they had just killed him. Right. Maybe they didn’t want to do that, but they didn’t want to, …

 

 

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Kathleen Dudley: He was certainly concerned that his family and he were going to be killed. So the fact that they didn’t kill him and they exiled him is probably correct, that it would have brought too much attention because the books had already been published.

 

Monika Schaefer: Right. He would have been a Martyr. It would have Martyred him, and then even more people would have read the books.

 

Kathleen Dudley: Yes. Yes!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. This way they just kind of put him out of the way and hope that it just nobody is much interested in them. I do have the books, and I haven’t read them yet, but you are causing me to want to read them soon. This is always my trouble. I have so many books that I want to read and to find enough time to do so.

 

But now he also wrote a book, Two Hundred Years Together. Do you know anything about that? Has it been translated into English yet?

 

Kathleen Dudley: Actually, I just received it in the mail today. And it’s the history, quote, “of the jewish problem in Russia”. And he is writing about what happened prior to the Revolution, the October 1917 Revolution, and what it was like living in Russia with the jews. Because under the czars, you know, up until Nicholas the First, they were excluded from society, and they were very limited. And when Nicholas the First allowed them in, what ended up happening is they grew. They created their capacity to build their Bolshevik Revolution, and they brought all their revolutionaries in from all over the world.

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, okay. Thank you know, Kathleen, we do actually have a caller on the line now. So and we only have less than two minutes left, so I would like to invite Mike in Kentucky on line one. Are you there?

 

Mike: Yeah, I should have called earlier, but stop me if you’ve heard this one:

 

“We cannot Reform the Bolsheviks, but we can do our best to save them and ourselves from the consequences of their act.”

 

And that is the opening letter from E. Hewitt, Assistant Secretary, I think it’s the Ministry of Information:

 

“The Ministry can enter into no correspondence of any kind with regard to this communication, which should only be disclosed to responsible persons.”

 

And it’s a letter to the clergy asking them for their expression of belief into the allegations against Japan and Germany in order to distract the public’s attention from the doings of the Red Army. 1944. That’s in a book published in 1959 by Edward J. Rosnick called Allied Wartime Diplomacy.

 

I was going to bring that up on Blackbird9’s thing about how they killed the Russians, I mean, the general who wanted to go after Russia, Patton.

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, thank you. Yeah, we just have a few seconds. Do you want to comment on any of that, Kathleen? That’s very interesting.

 

Kathleen Dudley: Well, I think I’ll leave that for you, Monika.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, just wait. Well, I can already hear the music, but, Mike, I really appreciate that you called in and yeah, too bad you didn’t call earlier. It sounds very interesting, what you have there, the good information. Thank you, everybody for listening and thank you, Kathleen, for giving us a great talk about fascism. And thank you, Frank, that’s the producer. And thank you most of all the listeners. Bye bye.

 

Kathleen Dudley: Thank you.

 

 

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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Judge Napolitano: Hi, everyone. Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom. Today is Wednesday, October second, 2024. Colonel Douglas Macgregor joins us now. Colonel, no matter what we’re about to discuss, it’s always a pleasure and a gift for me to be able to pick your brain.

 

So last week, President Zelensky came to the United States, visited an arms manufacturer in Scranton, Pennsylvania, gave a speech at the UN, made the rounds at Washington, went home empty handed. Prime Minister Netanyahu gave a very belligerent, belligerent, contemptuous speech to an empty General Assembly chamber, went to an office in the same building and ordered a murder 5,000 miles away, which took place. What do you see happening?

 

Col Doug Macgregor: Well, as I understand it, that Zelensky did not go home completely empty handed, that some promises were made for more money and equipment.

 

Now, how much it was, I’ve heard various figures. I think we have to accept the fact that the war is obviously lost in Ukraine. I don’t think there are very many people who privately reject that notion, but they’re going to sustain the facade that there is a Ukrainian government of some significance in Kiev, at least until after the election. So he was treated accordingly.

 

I think the other issue is a much more serious one right now because everything strikes me in Washington as kind of being on Autopilot. We’re sort of flying as a nation in the direction of a major regional war in the Middle East. And we’re treating the Ukrainian disaster with the usual disinterest that arises when it becomes clear that you’ve lost. All of it is bad news for the American people. And what was even more striking to me than what you’ve mentioned is that last night the word “Ukraine” did not even come up for discussion. I had hoped that perhaps future Vice president Vance would have at least asked about Ukraine and what had happened to the hundreds of billions of dollars and many millions of tons of equipment and ammunition that had been shipped over there. But it never came up.

 

Judge Napolitano: How dangerous was the Israeli assassination of Nasrallah using 160,000 pounds of bombs to kill one person and a dozen or so people around him?

 

Col Doug Macgregor: I think we need to understand that it could not have happened at all without us. We have considerable ISR assets, air force and army navy engaged in supporting the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, and its attacks on Lebanon.

 

So I think that’s the first thing. We have the capability to harvest very sensitive information, voice and otherwise, that the Israelis simply don’t have. And then we can lase these targets, providing very exact data to the Israelis, which we did.

 

So I think we have to understand that when you see these kinds of successful operations take place, it’s not an “Israel only” operation by any means. Was it dangerous to do this? Not from the standpoint of Mr Netanyahu.

 

And I think we need to understand something that clearly is not understood in Tehran. I don’t think it’s understood in Moscow. And that is that Mr Netanyahu is waging a ruthless war of extermination against his enemies. He’s already told us who they are the people in Gaza, the Arabs on the West Bank, and the Arabs south of the Latani river who are part of Hezbollah.

 

And in the meantime, he’s also struck a number of very lucrative targets across Syria.

 

So this is a very powerful war that’s underway, and we’re on Autopilot. We’re just flying in the direction. We’re helping it, we’re enabling it, we’re pushing it. And I’m sure you’ve seen the interview with, I think it’s Colonel Jacques Baud who talks about the fact that we have been encouraging this behavior from the beginning. And I think we have, and we are!

 

So the American people aren’t being consulted and there’s really no debate about it because everyone in Washington is quite comfortable with what’s happening.

 

Judge Napolitano: Did the White House encourage the Israeli government to invade southern Lebanon?

 

Col Doug Macgregor: It would appear that they have. That seems to that seems to be widespread consensus. Nothing is happening that Washington has not wanted to happen. And that makes perfect sense, judge for the reasons I just outlined. We control all the resources and we have access to and dispose over very considerable sensitive technologies.

 

So if we don’t want something to happen, it’s not going to happen! And anything that does happen happens because we’ve allowed it.

 

Judge Napolitano: But by what constitutional or moral standard do we wage war against Hezbollah? We haven’t a declared war on Hezbollah, it poses no threat whatsoever to the United States. We don’t have a treaty of alliance with Israel. I’m wearing my constitutional scholar hat.

 

Col Doug Macgregor: Well, we’re in a strange set of relations with Israel that are analogous to some extent to FDR’s relations with the British Empire and the Soviet Union before World War Two. Very few people are aware that FDR dispatched Harry Hopkins to Moscow in July of 1941 to offer Stalin virtually anything he wanted and anything he needed. And we, of course, were not at war with Germany. The bombing at Pearl Harbor had not yet happened. We had a war ongoing for almost two and a half years, trying to provoke the Germans into attacking our warships when we actively aided the British and Canadian navies in moving supplies to Great Britain.

 

So this is a similar set of circumstances. And I think it also has potentially very grave consequences for us. But as you point out, none of this is constitutional. But very little of what FDR did was constitutional.

 

So I don’t think anyone is remotely interested in discussing constitutional law at the moment.

 

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Judge Napolitano: Well, what will the consequences to us be? Will it be Russia coming to the aid of Iran? Will it be American boys coming home in body bags?

 

Col Doug Macgregor: Well, I think we have to reckon with some losses in the Middle East. I don’t see how we avoid them. We know that we’ve had losses in Ukraine. It’s simply being decided not to report those publicly and to dismiss the allegation that Americans have been killed in Ukraine by finding cover stories for them, dying in other settings, other places, particularly in the United States.

 

I think things in the Middle East will be different. It’ll be harder to provide those cover stories, harder to conceal. And the reason is very simple. This ruthless war of extermination is going to be confronted soon by overwhelming deadly force, provided first and foremost by Iran, also augmented and extended by Russia, and I would argue, eventually the rest of the Islamic world.

 

But we’ve always said this, and you judge, have had these discussions with others on your show. No one in the region wants a war with Israel and the United States. The only people that are interested in a war in the region consist of Israel and primarily us. That’s it! No one else really wants a war.

 

And this has now attracted the attention of everyone in the Islamic world. We’ve been listening to lots of harumps and harumps and threats, most of which have gone nowhere from Turkey.

 

But that is changing now. And the Turks are making it very clear that the catastrophic destruction of Lebanon is not something they’re going to stand by and tolerate. They’ve got three or 4 million refugees on their territory at the moment. They can’t take any more. A million people have left Lebanon. More than 7,000 people in Lebanon have been killed. And these are hardly Hezbollah fighters. All of this is coming together. We’re seeing action in Iraq, action in Syria, action in Yemen and Egypt and Jordan continue to reach a boiling point. Precisely when that will boil over and change the governments is anyone’s guess, but I think that’s inevitable.

 

So we’re on the march to a regional war that always has the potential to go global. The Russians are well prepared to fight now. They’re stronger militarily than they have been in 30 years. And the same thing is true, unfortunately, with China. The Chinese don’t want any sort of confrontation and they’re undoubtedly sweating bullets over the Straits of Hormuz. But the Israelis are determined to hit those Iranian oil facilities and I think we’re going to see that once that occurs, it will bring in the rest of the actors who are actively opposed to Israel.

 

Judge Napolitano: Tell me about Jordan. The population of Jordan cannot be in sync with the King. The King used the Jordanian military to help Israel defend itself the other night. When? I guess it was last night when, last night Israel time when Iran sent 200 missiles there. I’ll ask you about the missiles in a minute. But is the King of Jordan on thin ice because of the overwhelming, nearly unanimous view of the public over which he claims to reign, that Israel is the enemy?

 

Col Doug Macgregor: Yes. Well, remember, the majority of the people serving in the Jordanian army tend to be Bedouin in origin. In other words, people from Bedouin origins, much like the King himself. But he’s got 11.2 million Palestinians living in Jordan, and they are very anxious to help their brothers on the West Bank and in Gaza. So they’re fuming.

 

When does this change? I know that the Iranians undoubtedly have agents on the ground in Jordan, probably pushing levers there in the hopes that the Jordanians will rise up, push the government out of business and take the reins of power themselves. I’d be very surprised if that was not also the case in Egypt.

 

In both cases, however, both sovereign leaders are entirely dependent upon the military. And as long as the military does not take them into custody, remove them, assassinate them, they will stay. The question is, where does the military stand at this point? I know from firsthand discussions, people just returning from Egypt, that the Egyptian military is ashamed of themselves and embarrassed that they are doing nothing against Israel. I suspect you have a similar attitude in Jordan,

 

Judge Napolitano: Chris, do we have the clip? It’s not on today’s list. But you still have the clip of King Abdullah of Jordan addressing the United Nations? He’ll look for that, colonel, and then I’ll ask you what you think of it. He was harshly critical, harshly critical of Israel at the UN, and then he used his military to defend Israel when the Iranians attacked.

 

What happened the other night? What type of weaponry was hurled by Iran at Israel, what got through and what damage was done, as far as you are able to understand, just, 24 hours later?

 

Col Doug Macgregor: Right. Well, most of the weapon systems were medium range ballistic missiles, as I understand it. These are not hypersonic, most of them. How many of them ultimately penetrated or simply attracted attention from the air defense systems, the Arrow 2 or the Iron Dome or our own Patriot systems, I don’t know. But I do know that some number and I don’t know how many hypersonic missiles were used, and they all penetrated the air and missile defense system. No question about it.

 

Judge Napolitano: Did they reach, I don’t remember the name of its a major Israeli air base in the middle of the desert. It’s the place from which the jets that bombed and killed Nasrallah came into which they returned. Did the Iranian missiles reach that military base and do any damage there?

 

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Col Doug Macgregor: Well, they reached the base. I think it’s Hatzerim Air Base. At the same time, there were claims made that some F35s were damaged or destroyed along with some F16s. We have no way of confirming that, and that also seems unlikely. I imagine the Israelis probably launched most of those aircraft in order to ensure they were not on the ground when the missile attack started.

 

And remember, the Iranians signaled the United States and virtually everybody else when they were going to launch. This was another attempt to demonstrate, I think, Iran’s precision strike capability in a way that would awaken some concern in Washington and Jerusalem. It hasn’t!

 

In other words, this was another, if you will excuse the expression, a “wasted opportunity” on the Iranian side.

 

And I think they’re going to be hit very, very hard by the Israelis in response. The Israelis do not believe in symmetrical warfare. Everything they do is inevitably asymmetrical. In other words, if you want to kill the flea, you use a jackhammer, you don’t use a fly swatter.

 

And so I think Putin and Najee [sp] have been advising the Iranian leadership to embrace restraint on the assumption that if they restrain themselves, a war can be avoided and negotiations will take place and can sort things out. I don’t see any evidence for that.

 

I mean, Israel has failed thus far to achieve its objectives in Gaza. It’s also failing in its objectives against Hezbollah, although that has now just started on the ground. How serious it is, I don’t know.

 

And then they have not achieved their objective in Iran, which is to destroy that regime and remove Iran as a great power in the region, period. So those things are unachieved.

 

And I think there is no evidence that there’s any willingness under any circumstances in Jerusalem or Washington to contemplate any sort of talks or negotiations over anything until those objectives are secured.

 

Judge Napolitano: The two principal American diplomats slash bureaucrats negotiating or dealing with the Israeli government on a day to day, hour by hour basis for the United States, Brett McGurk and Amos Hochstein are bellicose and in favor of war. Are they not?

 

Col Doug Macgregor: That seems pretty clear. I don’t see any evidence to the contrary. So they’re not representing the supposed interest that exists, if it exists at all, inside the Beltway in Washington for a negotiated outcome.

 

On the contrary, they are completely aligned with what I just described.

 

Judge Napolitano: Right.

 

Col Doug Macgregor: So I think the Iranians have wasted time, money and resources. They should prepare for an all out assault which is coming. The same thing is true for Hezbollah.

 

So the time for restraint as far as they are concerned, I think, is over. But they’ll have to figure that out on their own.

 

Judge Napolitano: We’re going to play the clip from the King of Jordan. You tell me if this is sincere or if this is consistent with the behavior of his military the other night. Chris, while we’re playing this, can you find the comment? It may be here, and I just don’t see it by President Biden yesterday saying that whatever the Iranians did was defeated and ineffective.

 

But in the meantime, here’s the King of Jordan at the United Nations last week.

 

King Abdullah: In the absence of global accountability, repeated horrors are normalized, threatening to create a future where anything is permitted, anywhere in the world. Those who continue to propagate the idea of Jordan as an alternative homeland.

So let me be very, very clear. That will never happen! We will never accept the forced displacement of Palestinians, which is a war crime. For years, the Arab world has extended a hand to Israel through the Arab Peace Initiative, offering full recognition and normalization in exchange for peace. But consecutive Israeli governments, emboldened by years of impunity, have rejected peace and chosen confrontation instead.

 

Judge Napolitano: Trying to accomplish by speaking out of one side of his mouth and shooting weapons out of the other side, if you’ll pardon the awkward analogy.

 

Col Doug Macgregor: Well, he sounds like the man who beats his wife periodically and then is subsequently remorseful and says:

 

“I will never beat my wife again!”

 

And then proceeds to go back and beat her. This is eloquent but irrelevant! Unless he, General Sisi in Egypt, take the reins and assert themselves against Israel in some fashion, everything he described happening will happen.

 

In other words, he will watch as millions of Arabs are driven out or killed from Gaza and ultimately the West Bank. If nothing is done, then the same thing will eventually happen to Hezbollah unless Iran intervenes to come to its assistance.

 

And you have to know that behind the scenes, the Arabs in Jordan and in Egypt are talking privately with the Turks and saying:

 

“You know, historically we live in your sphere of influence, yet you are all talk and no action. Why do you expect us to impale ourselves on Israel if you are unwilling to do anything?”

 

Remember, Iran is a Shiite power. The Persia, the Persian Iran that we talk about is an outsider in that area. They don’t view the Iranians as natural leaders inside the Islamic world. But the truth is, thus far, it’s the Shiites who’ve been leading and the Sunnis who have done almost nothing. It’s a very strange set of circumstances.

 

Judge Napolitano: Here is President Biden yesterday afternoon. Tell me if you agree with him Colonel.

 

Biden: I’ll say a few words about Iran’s missile attack on Israel today. At my direction, the United States military actively supported the defense of Israel, and we’re still assessing the impact. But based on what we know now, the attack appears to have been defeated and ineffective. And this is testament to Israeli military capability and the US military. It is also a testament to intensive planning between the United States and in Israel to anticipate and defend against the brazen attack we expected.

 

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Judge Napolitano: Defeated and ineffective?

 

Col Doug Macgregor: Well, certainly it was not defeated per se, because it was not designed to kill large numbers of people, but at the same time, it turned out to be ineffective. I think that’s arguably true. Strategically, I’m sure the Israelis breathed a huge sigh of relief. You’re talking about the capability to launch 100 missiles an hour for 24 hours, 48 hours, 72 hours, 96 hours with deadly accuracy. That hasn’t happened.

 

Judge Napolitano: Is Iran’s capability?

 

Col Doug Macgregor: Yes! And that has not happened.

 

And as long as that does not happen, I think the Israelis are going to take advantage of the opportunity. They’d be fools not to. And they’re going to go after Iran with a vengeance.

 

There’s a struggle inside Iran right now between the new regime, which is actually moderate in its outlook, and wants to align itself with what we consider to be normalcy in the world and normalcy in the region. People in Iran who are on the other side of that argument, the so-called hardliners, they’re saying:

 

“You’re fools! You’ve lost your minds!”

 

Judge Napolitano: That would be the Ayatollah and his crew.

 

Col Doug Macgregor: Well, I would think. So but I don’t want to name names that imputes things to people without knowing precisely who they are. But the bottom line is, …

 

Judge Napolitano: Understood. Understood.

 

Col Doug Macgregor: Bottom line is they very definitely are standing around and they’re saying:

 

“What are you crazy? The Israelis and the Americans are coming for you. They are going to destroy you! Why are you holding back?”

 

Judge Napolitano: Why are you holding back? What is President Putin doing while this is happening? Is he talking to the new president of Iran, saying, “be restrained”? Or “how can I help?”.

 

Col Doug Macgregor: There is some evidence that the former chief of defense, Defense Minister, if you will, Shoigu may well be on the ground in Iran, along with the current Russian prime minister and thousands of Russian technicians and military advisors, trying to put together and maintain this elaborate air and missile defense network. Along with probably other weapons systems that have been provided.

 

So I think the Russians are there and they’ve told the Iranians:

 

“We will stand by you.”

 

But at the same time, I think Putin has always been predisposed to advise caution and restraint.

 

Now, that’s actually worked thus far very well, I would argue, in Ukraine. It is Ukraine that is dying! It is Ukraine that has bled to death! It’s the American military establishment and its equipment that has failed miserably to successfully halt any Russian advance.

 

But the situation in the Middle East is quite different. So giving that advice is probably not necessarily the Right advice at this point.

 

At the same time, you have Xi in China. He does not want the Straits of Hormuz to be closed, and he’s worried about the destruction of the oil facilities in Iran and access to those straits. I mean, why would the Israelis allow business as usual through the Persian Gulf and the Straits of Hormuz if they’re at war with Iran? I think it’s pretty clear that they’re not going to hold back.

 

And that’s why I’m saying that that battle in Tehran is being fought out as we speak. And I don’t know what the outcome will be, but I think ultimately the hardliners are going to win!

 

Judge Napolitano: What has Netanyahu, who it is obvious now, never wanted peace, exploited October 7 well beyond its initial meaning as an instrument with which to expand the borders of Israel well beyond, never mind 1967, but where it is today? What has he done to Israel by this belligerence to the country that he leads?

 

Col Doug Macgregor: Well, the Israeli economy is in ruins. There’s no question about that. It’ll take a long time to recover from all of this. That’s not terribly important as long as they swim in a sea of American cash.

 

If you look at the credit ratings in Israel, Israel’s credit rating is tied to ours. We essentially underwrite Israeli economic strength, power and stability. We underwrite their currency. We underwrite everything! So as long as this continues, I think the Israeli population is certainly 80 plus percent behind what Mr Netanyahu is doing. I don’t think that is a reflection of whether they like him or not. That’s another matter entirely.

 

But I think what he’s doing is something they strongly support. They want to rid themselves of the quote, unquote “Arab problem”, the Palestinian Arab problem. They want to get rid of it. They want to rid themselves of the quote, unquote “Hezbollah problem”.

 

Now, we could sit here, we can go back into the past, and we can debate how it got this way and how the Israelis shot themselves in the foot several times, cultivated the emergence of their own enemies. It doesn’t make any difference. This is what they want to do.

 

And remember that if you can move into Lebanon, where they’re headed now, you also exert considerable control over the water table and water resources. Water resources in that region of the world are as important as gold, and that would put them in a very strong position. The deeper they go into Lebanon, and ultimately their operations in Syria are the same.

 

Again, this is why ultimately, and I say this, ultimately, when all is said and done, we will watch Turks enter this conflict. The Turks will not sit there and do nothing in perpetuity! And we will see Jordan and Egypt explode! It’s coming, but it’s coming very slowly.

 

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Judge Napolitano: Will the Turks turn off the spigot of oil, much of which goes to Israel, or are they more interested in the commercial desirability of continuing to sell oil, even to a country that’s adverse to theirs?

 

Col Doug Macgregor: The destruction of Lebanon, which is ongoing, is pushing them in the direction of shutting it down, finally. And the pressure inside Turkey on President Erdogan and his regime, which is accused of all sorts of corruption problems right now, is enormous. I think he’s going to be pushed into these actions whether he likes it or not.

 

And again, this is the street, if you will, the popular attitude in the Arab, Turkish, Persian world:

 

“What are we going to do?”

 

I mean, I’m sure you saw President Netanyahu talk about the Israelis liberating Iran from their oppressive government. Yes, of course, that drew a lot of laughter inside Iran, because the Iranians said:

 

“We may not like this government, but if you think we’re going to align ourselves with the jews in Israel against our own government, against our own country, you’ve lost your mind!”

 

Judge Napolitano: One wonders what that comment that he made was aimed at. Maybe it was Iranian expats living in the United States? But let me switch gears before we end.

 

The killing of Nazarallah, a cultural icon, a religious leader, a cult leader, if you will. But is it very significant militarily that he’s now dead?

 

Col Doug Macgregor: I think it’s significant militarily only insofar as it stiffens the resolve and the willingness to fight inside Hezbollah. Remember, his predecessor was also assassinated. The problem with all of these assassinations is that they do not fundamentally change anything! They tend, on the whole, to inspire those who don’t want to negotiate in any case. It tends to discredit anybody who argues for moderation.

 

It makes people in Israel and in the United States feel good because they’ve been able to find someone they don’t like who is opposed to them and kill them.

 

It also opens up another can of worms, which is what could happen to us and what could happen inside Israel. No one is immune to this sort of thing. When you start this assassination program, there’s always a danger that it becomes a tit for tat operation.

 

But it doesn’t change anything strategically, because ultimately all of these people are replaced. I mean, somebody said to me the other day, what happens when you remove the CEO from General Electric or Chrysler or any of the big automobile organizations, Ford or something else? Well, you replace them! Somebody else comes in and takes over. So you don’t fundamentally change anything. But you do anger, and you do inspire people to fight back!

 

Judge Napolitano: And in this case, the replacement might be more strident than the person that was assassinated.

 

Col Doug Macgregor: Well we remember we killed Soleimani, General Soleimani, and we don’t need to go back over that. I thought that was a misguided act at the time and thought it was also, as you would point out, unconstitutional because we don’t assassinate the members of other people’s governments. Well, all of that went by the wayside. Has his force been any less effective? I don’t see much evidence for that. Is Iran or the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps any more willing to do business with us? Of course not! So killing him changed fundamentally nothing!

 

Judge Napolitano: Colonel, thank you very much for your time, my dear friend.

 

Col Doug Macgregor: There’s one last thing I’d like to say that people need to keep in mind. There are many ways to define genius. Both Goethe and Einstein said:

 

“Genius consists of knowing when to stop!”

 

The truth is that the Israelis are on the edge of the abyss, and we are with them, encouraging them to jump off the cliff and into the abyss. However good they may think things look at the moment, whatever advantage they think they’ve achieved is temporary. And over time, the massive enormity of opposition to them in the region is only going to metastasize and grow. So knowing when to stop is genius. I keep looking for it in Washington, in Kiev, and in Jerusalem. I can’t find it.

 

Judge Napolitano: It doesn’t exist. You’re certainly not going to find it in Netanyahu. We know that, Colonel. Thank you. Thanks for your time. This is the largest audience you’ve drawn of the many huge live audiences that you’ve drawn on this platform. I’m deeply grateful. We all are for your time and for your analytical skills. All the best, colonel. I hope we can see you again next week.

 

Col Doug Macgregor: Sure. Thank you, Judge.

 

Judge Napolitano: Of course. A great man and a very, very insightful series of operations about both Ukraine and the Middle East. Coming up at twelve noon today, live from Ukraine, Patrick Lancaster at 1:30, Aaron Mate. At 2:30, Phil Giraldi. Judge Napolitano for Judging Freedom.

 

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@rezakarampour6286
8 hours ago
US Needs a declaration of independence from Israel .
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@mrunderhill3970
7 hours ago
Never allow dual citizens in office if we ever have a choice again
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@oliveoil5789
7 hours ago

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@Stonesour1
7 hours ago
Amen
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@lilyBeans-cz4rm
6 hours ago
Canada likewise
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@ji8698
6 hours ago
But no other dual citizen can do what they are doing and get away with it
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@ziegle9876
6 hours ago
Making Garfield President sealed the deal…
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@johnringoo756
6 hours ago
Should be law
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@4570Govt
6 hours ago
We nose who you mean
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@adinahaun6001
6 hours ago
Agreed!
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@mohamedalsalmi6656
5 hours ago
In companies is considered conflict of interest and a person could get fired for it.
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@Hellvine
5 hours ago
As a US Marine and dual citizen of Mexico, I agree.
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@Howardlifts
5 hours ago
Huge issue
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@briandam8126
5 hours ago

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@thunderd78
5 hours ago
Never allow “gods chosen” in office.
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@totallynotthefeds
5 hours ago
​ @4570Govt
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@jacobjorgenson9285
5 hours ago
You won’t have a choice
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@georgestavri4474
4 hours ago
@jacobjorgenson9285 Why ?

@lcollins4313
4 hours ago
President’s couldn’t be “ duel citizens. The Constitution said “must be a 2nd generation of two American citizens. Our Founding Fathers Specifically wanted the Republic to be safe from tyranny from all European influences. Loyalty to the New Republic. A Nation represented by the people, for the people . Indecent of outside Oligarchs.
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@censorshipagainstthemiddle6198
4 hours ago
Wjen will yall accept that y’all have no say so in that matter.
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@whitetigress4543
4 hours ago
You need to vote third party because these two are owned by AIPAC
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@ellenrichardson7819
3 hours ago
Dual citizenship never allowed when some became US citizen until Israel & the Lobby.
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@majorintel9623
2 hours ago
No dual citizens in any National Security, legal, or law enforcement role.
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@HeavyMental1000
2 hours ago
I’m actually surprised that we allow this

@icemaxwell2000
2 hours ago
To all mothers in US prepare to give your children away to the new war in the middle east. The never-ending conflict that young American lives that need to be sacrificed for people that live at the other side of the world. Incredible…
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@Davidnumber23
1 hour ago
the most stupid move that everyday people dont even realize its illegal elsewhere lol
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@peppersghosttheater
1 hour ago
There will always be a special rule for Israel regardless of anything they decide in the future
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@brutus4013
1 hour ago
Australia doesn’t allow dual citizens to hold elected offices. Well done my Aussie friends .
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@Queef_latina
1 hour ago
It’s too late. They are everywhere
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@Inafadal
1 hour ago
Do we have America any one who don’t have dual citizenship including Biden who Ireland citizens trump Germany Obama Kenya

@Freedom_Half_Off
57 minutes ago
​ @Inafadal Dual citizen is not just random reference to heritage or ancestry . dual citizens can actually carry the passport of the other nation … It has nothing to do with Grandpa came from country X
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@AlexaTaganrog
6 hours ago
Free USA from Israel!
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@flesz_
7 hours ago
Free USA from AIPAC
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@JeeeeeZ289
3 hours ago
And the owners of the federal reserve
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@melaniestafford182
2 hours ago
Free the world from AIPAC
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@gene8675
2 hours ago
Yes, & don’t sleep on cair the Arab version
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@selma5885
7 hours ago
As an American, a tax payer, and a grandmother, I am deeply depressed and discouraged the direction our country has taken. Backing a campaign of extermination by Israel. God help us.
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@KizzieWiz
5 hours ago
I truly wish Doug Macgregor was standing for President of America!
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@johnsammers
7 hours ago
Does anyone else think that Iran was demonstrating they could have flattened Tel Aviv if they wanted to?
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@michaelidarecis
7 hours ago
Iran, Lebanon and Palestine has the right to defend themselves
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@63saruman
7 hours ago
Isn’t it time for all the members of Congress who stood up to clap to Netanyahu to go to the frontline?
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@mohammaddoofesh4963
6 hours ago
The US and Israel are solid partners, and should be held accountable jointly.
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@Kidbako1
6 hours ago
Not voting for anyone who looks favorable on Israel.
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@jaysteven8135
7 hours ago
Free America from Israel
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@polybius666
7 hours ago
Free America and Palestine (From israel)
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@thaile100
7 hours ago
The Noble Persians, they’ve got Class! They don’t hit recklessly at civilians and civilian property. Unlike the coward Natenyahu!
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@EduardoArtistaDelavega
4 hours ago
Instead of arming Israel, Ukraine and Taiwan; US tax payer money should be spent on infrastructure, healthcare, education, homelessness etc.
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@kirikoo9981
7 hours ago
How a Jordanian speaks such perfect English. This guy is an American planted there by the British and the Americans to defend Israel.
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@deansawich6250
7 hours ago
Thanks. Biden has to read a script, what a joke.
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@Faiez-rh1gm
7 hours ago
I can’t stomach that traitor King Hussein
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@nomayor1
4 hours ago
140,000 people across the globe turned to you within just four hours to get a picture of what is happening. Thank you Judge and thank you Col. MacGregor l.
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@nejlababali7901
5 hours ago
Israel is also occupying America
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@gabrielkourieh5920
8 hours ago
The Israelis better not retaliate against Iran because they will regret it very badly,it looks like iran ran out of patience and it is ready to go all the way.that is bad news for Israel.
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@mdob5724
7 hours ago
If we had 100 million American voters watching and liking this channel would I have any hope for our future.
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@gethappycyclingcampingoutdoors
5 hours ago
Iran, Lebanon, Palestine have the absolute right to defend itself!
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@Mary-f1k8t
7 hours ago (edited)
The Colonel deserves a full hour on your show, Judge.. if he could spare the time.
But.. every minute that he shares his wisdom with us is worth its weight in gold.
Thank you and God bless you, Colonel.
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@roshanmashoor766
7 hours ago
Respect to the judge and the colonel
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@jacktheanswer172
8 hours ago
We have to protect this channel and at all costs
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@All_Lives_Matters
7 hours ago
Is Israel the first country that wouldn’t celebrate it’s 100 year anniversary because they caused their own destruction?
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@sabirficic3537
6 hours ago
Our country has become the laughing stock of the world with our leaders
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@stavrosaristidou5779
8 hours ago
Colonel is spot on with all the predictions he has made so far.He is a brain indeed as the judge said.
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@elizabethholloway6945
7 hours ago
He’s brilliant. Always clear and balanced.
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@LindaMcPheeters
7 hours ago
Of course this interview has drawn the largest audience of all the Colonel’s interviews on this platform to date. People are discovering that that Col. Macgregor always delivers a balanced, insightful, well-informed understanding our current geopolitical reality, and does it with a rare level of eloquence and style. Thank you both, Judge and Colonel, for a weekly, much needed dose of truth!
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@hbela1000
6 hours ago
Huge respect for Col. Macgregor,thanks.
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@zekyday8064
8 hours ago
Thanks for the opportunity to hear the Colonel.
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@tatagata6268
8 hours ago
May this video be spread widely
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@gerry4281
7 hours ago
Brilliant man. He should be president.
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@skibidi.G
7 hours ago
Thank you Judge and Col. McGregor.
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@malcolmt7883
8 hours ago
These people have been kicked out of their host countries over a hundred times, (through no fault of their own, of course)
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@riaadhoosain
8 hours ago
Always a pleasure listening to you Colonel – a voice of reason and a reality check vs the bias of western media.
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@ddevilisinthedetails
7 hours ago
we need Col’s report MONDAYS & FRIDAYS
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@koko2bware
6 hours ago
Col. Douglas MacGregor’s analysis is brilliant as usual!!
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@ismaelamaro7728
7 hours ago
Iran is a peace-loving nation.
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@kpoonwah
7 hours ago
Times of India reported that IDF admitted several air bases were hit, including aircrafts
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@almercy
6 hours ago
Col. Douglas MacGregor is a national gem!! Keep speaking the truth!!
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@martinmcconville8401
7 hours ago
An exceptionally sobering conclusion by the Colonel. Another great interview by Judge Napolitano.
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@nmkzf
7 hours ago
One basic problem is the establishment of the “Israel” project. the project and its owners are going down with it.
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@jimmycricket7385
7 hours ago
Especially during an election season in America, I keep seeing presidential candidates grovelling to Israel in order to secure big donations from rich jewish oligarchs.
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@josephszot5545
6 hours ago
Colonel, If Trump gets in he won’t send billions to Ukraine, he’ll ship it to Israel, So what’s the Dif? Taxpayer screwed either way!
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@eileenjames9929
7 hours ago
great men of America these two. love their discussion the col such knowledge and integrity
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@Mxr282
8 hours ago
Brilliant man,Col
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@katalinhorvath8139
7 hours ago
Thank you so much to both of you, regards from the UK.
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@polromulo2475
7 hours ago
Always very interesting to listen to Col. Macgregor!
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@keithfazio6519
7 hours ago
So distressing. Thanks for bringing the real reporting, as opposed to the propaganda seen elsewhere.
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@javaidakhterkhan
7 hours ago
Excellent analysis let Americans listen to this and save themselves and the World.
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@tommyNix4098
7 hours ago
Brilliant analysis from two of the greatest minds in America. Thank you for bringing some sanity into a world of madness.
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@vincenthickey9760
4 hours ago
Watching from Ireland these are 2 incredible intelligent human beings and a long with scot Ritter and George Galloway are the only people i choose to hear a balanced truthful dialogue unlike the bought mainstream media lies
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@bobbybieln853
3 hours ago
Colonel is spot on! Only a matter of time before things go south for the IDF and Bibi yahoo
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@MeLodiCarAma
8 hours ago
Guess what…the Saudis and the rest of the gulf now have a better picture of what the Russians and the Chinese can do after this recent demonstration by Iran. Ooops, I forgotten….the North Korean and Pakistan too.
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@hanzkoenig
5 hours ago
Thank you both from Grim Britain.
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@Maryellen514
1 hour ago
God bless you Col. Douglas Macgregor and Judge Napolitano
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@richarderwin2369
7 hours ago
As always, Truth! Thank You.
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@eddie-o5u
8 hours ago
Thank you so much for your brilliant show and incredible guests. Must watch programing! Best show on YouTube.
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@cemalparla4911
8 hours ago
Colonel rocks
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@kevga2758
4 hours ago
Thank you both, great to see , so many folk watching
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@2581nbl
3 hours ago
The Judge and Col McGregor deserve a lot of credit for doing their best to keep us informed. Im glad this channel continues to grow. People are sick of mainstream media
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@minn.1
7 hours ago
What kind of democracy is it when people or voters have no say about their government’s full support of a terrorist country in these crimes against humanity?
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@rashlatif9478
7 hours ago
Absolutely well said by Col. Douglas
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@katedocherty264
7 hours ago
Thank you Judge for this lively and honest discussion with Col. MacGregor.
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@Vegandi_Z
8 hours ago
Judge, I love you, but you gotta stop asking endless questions, when the Colonel already got it and tries to answer…
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@Sw-nv4hw
8 hours ago (edited)
Thank you 2 and my dadda designed missles too. Yet im a disabled aussie seaman. Loved and not! 2 The world needs more men like you judge and the good col. Period!
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@simonemindfulness1057
3 hours ago
Much love to all Palestinians and Lebaneses from Brazil
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@928pcar
7 hours ago
The Iron Dome turned into the IRAN DOME last night LOL
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@G.oogleIsCensorship
7 hours ago
THE KING OF JORDAN MAKES ME SICK. CESSCH OUT
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@sws-vlogs
8 hours ago
Idf Juz expect us to believe they had no prior knowledge of 10/07
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@rac1030
7 hours ago
You’re both great men. God bless you all.
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@plank8241
5 hours ago
So great to have COL. MacGregor on your channel! Love the man’s honesty and straightforwardness, it takes a hell lot of courage to articulate the issues that he does considering today’s situation with the freedom of speech and mass media being rather tools of repression than information sources
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@20luzer52
6 hours ago
The problem with Judge Napolitano and Douglas Macgregor is that they have a sense of morals and principles
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@99PUTNAM
7 hours ago
Thank you for Macgregor… brilliant and commitment to reality in opposition to the ZIONIST crazies
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@sankheroshamoun7624
6 hours ago
Thank you Judge you get the wisest gests on your show.
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@MarcWiedmann
4 hours ago
German here – staying up to date on information on Ukraine and the Middle East on a weekly basis due to this channel. Thanks Judge Nap, thanks Col. Macgregor. We need competent, analytical and intelligent people. I hope you are a lightpost for a lot of people. “The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either — but right through every human heart — and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. And even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained”
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@MikeMelia51
5 hours ago
Thanks Colonel
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@jimtaleb4364
7 hours ago
$5.00
Thanks!
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@mindbliss7764
4 hours ago
I have so much respect for Col Douglas. Such a great thinker
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@Frankchiew59
7 hours ago
King Abdullah will be deposed very soon.
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@Smiff1066
7 hours ago
Meanwhile 10,s of thousands Americans are suffering in the South East, maybe up to a thousand have died, wheres their help?
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@ceaget7252
7 hours ago
Colonel Macgregor has superb knowledge, analytical skills and wisdom. A rare individual indeed.
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@BerndSchmitt-Martinique
5 hours ago
Aristotle: ‘Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms.’
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@Mary-f1k8t
7 hours ago
The We Love Africa channel is very good about posting UN speeches.
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@WORKOUTSOLUTIONS
8 hours ago
ХРИСТОС ВОСКРЕСЕ
БОГ С НАМИ ПРОТИВ ЗЛА И ИСКУШЕНИЙ
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@JacquelineAgnesGilfillan
5 hours ago
Thanks for all this clarity, Judge and Colonel
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@jonnyboy8781
6 hours ago
Judge, your show last eve with Scott was epic. History being made in real-time. Love the show, all your eminent guests & your great presenter skills. Fantastic.
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@richardpquette6992
6 hours ago
Complete BS: we (USA) are Ordering it, We are Arming it, We are Loading it, we are Surveilling it, we are funding it, we are deciding it, we are loading the strike data….
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@mickgallagher6717
6 hours ago
Thank God for this highly astute, logical, sane Spiritual beings, truthtellers, Peacemakers!
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@AngelaOMeara-th1en
2 hours ago
thanks Colonel, your voice is needed Louder and Louder.
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@thomashand1316
6 hours ago
How many military men quote Goethe and Einstein ? Colonel McGregor is one of a kind.
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@williamgianopulos636
8 hours ago (edited)
It’s not an Israeli-only scenario, as our guest points out. Of course not. Israel didn’t produce the 60-80 bombs that flattened the apartment complex in Beirut. We are the only game in town, so let’s start considering other options, like talking to one another again. As Churchill said, Meeting Jaw to Jaw is better than war.
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@lucienleech-larkin7544
8 hours ago
Colonel, How Do You “Debate” A Mendacious Pseudology?!! There’s No Point At All In Arguing Against A Narrative Which Has No Relationship To The Actual Facts!! All You Can Do, Is Get Rid Of The Bastards Who Are Lying To You; Anything Else Is Just Irrelevant!!
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@bittertruth3295
6 hours ago
Great man col McGregor, always on point. Thank you Judge for inviting him.
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@williammichael2156
6 hours ago
Thanks gents,blessings from Glasgow
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@bravestone8933
8 hours ago (edited)
King of Jordan is like the former president Ashraf Ghani of Afghanistan.
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@vancouver_dad5195
7 hours ago
Love from the Philippines
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@a.j.rainey3024
7 hours ago
After last April’s missile exchange, Russia supplied Iran with S400/500 air defense systems along with most advanced “radar jamming” systems. If US/Israel attacks Iran many fighter/bomber jets will be downed. Manned jet fighters are rapidly becoming obsolete in todays war theater.
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@MochoCoLaTo911
5 hours ago
From Canada, I seriously think that if we put the people we use to see in Judge Napolitano Chanel in charge of the Gov. they will make USA great again and for a long long time !
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@johnoneill192
7 hours ago
It’s quite obvious that the leaders of Egypt and Jordan still have PTSD from 1967 particularly and also 1973 and are frozen with fear of a repeat of those wars against Israel ( and of course America as they could destroy Israel if they combined forces if America wasn’t backing Israel unconditionally ) but I think the ordinary people of all the Muslim nations have really had enough of Israel’s atrocities against fellow Arabs. This Netenyahu maniac wants war with all his neighbours and is only in a position to prosecute these wars on multiple fronts because of American backing
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@Harvey-Sp
8 hours ago
Judge, You among the wise men in our country. The UAP threat is real. What’s going on in the Middle East is nothing comparable to the UAP threat.
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@feryag
7 hours ago
From a very insightful man “genius consistent of knowing when to stop.” Thank you, Col. Macgregor.
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@bulentunal3832
7 hours ago
you are right judge. he is a waste, King Abdullah
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@ShortbusMooner
7 hours ago
Thank you so much, gentlemen!
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@louisepelte2942
7 hours ago
Very depressing as usual.
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@NoorFalastin110
6 hours ago
Thank you for all you do gentlemen. Thank you for choosing humanity
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@juanluistostadocanales3955
7 hours ago
That is right Colonel
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@SADIKDIN
6 hours ago
A little 3 yr old girl being stucked under a rubble with 1 arm decacipitated crying and pleaded, ‘Mummy I want to go home,…I want to go home’. But her parents already died under the rubble and no way to rescue the little girl. The nexf day the little girl died of agony being pinned under the rubble. Can we sleep at night knowing all these horrifying events are happening to thousands of little children?
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@chrisnicolis1304
2 hours ago
The judge has compiled an impressive list of guests over the last couple of years. I never fail to be impressed by the knowledge and wisdom of Colonel Macgregor
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@davidlaw1690
4 hours ago
America is Israel’s little nodding duck
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@christiancommunistpartyoft8691
5 hours ago
Israel is doomed
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@Linus-k6c
6 hours ago
It’s always a big joy to listen to you and to Macgregor. The final statement is brilliant. The final statement will remain in history. The final statement is truly inspiring. Hope to see you soon. Thank you very much.
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@lindachan5610
17 minutes ago
Good final reflection from Colonel Macgregor. Stopping in time is better than losing everything.
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@nazhamerabi4395
7 hours ago
The Iranians need to listen to Col. Macgregor. Why are they holding back? That was Hassan Nasrallah’s mistake listening to them. It’s now or never!!!
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@chrisgreene2623
7 hours ago
The Colonel is in the house!
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@craigaxle1096
6 hours ago
Praying for peace, healing & reconciliation in the middle east, Ukraine-Russia, Sudan , China, …
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@sinaisapour7584
3 hours ago
Long live Iran and the resistance
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@elwoodguy7955
8 hours ago
Wonder how Bibi reflects on his speech at the UN LAST week? Given how Iran responded to it l believe he thinks it may of been an error. Whilst the UN has been giving speech after speech -deploring Bibi -iran steps up well done Iran
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@arifurrahman2891
7 hours ago
Colonel’s last words are highly terrifying. Something extremely devastating is going to visit the entire ME region in the months and years ahead. Current standing of things will only keep deteriorating from this moment onward.
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@paullilliott7565
6 hours ago
‘Safe and effective’……
‘Defeated and ineffective’
same script writer?
Very valuable last words, Colonel. Thank you both for keeping us informed.
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@mariojcollado1384
1 hour ago
Col. MacGregor is a valuable asset as we pursue clarity and potential resolutions for conflicts home and abroad
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@fordshaw5833
4 hours ago
Colonel Macgregor’s mention of Israel’s habit of heavy handed use of lethal force
reminds me of the Confucian maxim, “Never use cannon to kill mosquito”. So far Israel has shown little economy of effort in their combat operations which says something about whose picking up the tab for their war which would have otherwise bankrupted the Israeli tax base.
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@MrCarhoo
7 hours ago
Thanks doug
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@RobinaOmar-o3e
7 hours ago
Absolutely fantastic, madness he has said is repeating an exercise and expecting a different result. Israelis have been doing this for decades and hoping for a different result.
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@kilok9599
7 hours ago
Brilliant analysis as always. Luv the Col!
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@RNX09
6 hours ago
Thanks Judge for persisting with these videos with your informative guests. All of them are great.
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@mariadasilva3444
5 hours ago
Thanks Judge and Col. MacGregor. Good to know unbiased truth.

@HoldTheBacon
1 hour ago
I don’t understand how we can pass bills in congress in a matter of seconds when it comes to giving Israel billions yet we can’t fix healthcare or our infrastructure at minimum.
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@peaceb4
3 hours ago
I’m almost certain that America’s own law would forbid the sale or supply of weapons to any country that has Nuclear Weapons while not being a signatory to the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty!
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@nicholasmartiau1728
6 hours ago
Col. Ma Gregor is 2nd to none with his unique inside insight gained from decades of commanding soldiers and armies who executed some of histories most daring and consequential actions. Thanks Judge for having Colonel MacG on you show! We really appreciate it.
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@EduardoArtistaDelavega
4 hours ago
Iran is not our enemy.
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@wanderingquestions7501
5 hours ago
I would like to see episodes in which guests are able to identify for us voters which of our politicians are strongly owned by AIPAC. This would be helpful for identifying who one may wish, or not wish to vote for.
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@avinadehnad1058
7 hours ago (edited)
Colonel Macgregor, thank you for your thoughtful insight. The only thing that was not accurate was that:
Iranians would never align themselves with the Israeli government because they are morally against the Israeli governments Genocide and Indiscriminate killings, and because of over 40 years of illegal sanctions, assassinations, and malignment of Iran, just because they criticize Apartheid in Israel. It has nothing to do with the ‘not aligning with Jews’* as you mentioned, although I understand the spirit of what you said. If Iranians have any problems with their government, Iranians are very capable of dealing with it together, and don’t need Netanyahu stick his murderous axe in.
*Iran has one of the largest and oldest Jewish populations in the middle east. They have lived in harmony with other religions in Iran for thousands of years. Iran being against Jews is part of the Pompeo warmongering narrative that has been debunked by historians and Iranian Jews continuously through intelligent media.
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@jkb728
3 hours ago
Judge and colonel mcgregor absolute wisdom
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@RuaidhriOSioradain
3 hours ago
Thanks Judge excellent as per usual, Col, I salute you, wonderful analyst
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@volkiruski1221
7 hours ago
That Jordan Puppet King is also and only Bla bla, real arabs, lots of talking, like always!! Time for change to another king. I tought his wife has more guts?
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@gustav4539
6 hours ago
I know I’m being “directed” by a YT algorithm because I watched a few videos featuring John Mersheimer and Jeffrey Sachs, but it seems like American critics of the actions of Israel are getting more numerous. When I started understanding this situation 25 years ago it was mainly lefties like Chomsky and Finkelstein who were criticizing Israel. This is a good development, even if right-wingers came to this through America First.
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@AshrafAnwar-e7s
3 hours ago
Brilliant as usual. Thank you both.
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@jackypackham7666
6 hours ago
I’d vote for him, shame he isn’t standing in the UK.
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@nm1978
7 hours ago
man speaking logic
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@farishtajebran7317
8 hours ago
We salute IranWe support IranWe stand with IranWe pray for Iran,s victory Thank you Iran
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@MohamedAhmed-sc3yq
7 hours ago
Well said.
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@nosceteipsum997
3 hours ago
Extremely wise words, colonel! Thumbs up from the UK!!

@mattyarrow4406
2 hours ago
Thanks to the both of you for a great interview.
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@ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow
8 hours ago
Say hello to our heretic October surprise…… Pope Clement 14th birthday is October 31st and we are going to honor his Devotion to expelling Jesuit order from all the de facto Roman cartel Nations
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@miss_rini
6 hours ago
Something about McGregor’s energy, it makes me feel just a little safer. Like it might feel if the US did have leaders who could convey strength and power with the people; as opposed to power over people.
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@byronhay1648
2 hours ago
Colonel Douglas Macgregor’s Analysis is right on.

@danielperez-sz2ii
35 minutes ago
Great analysis by two real Patriots! Thank you gentlemen.

@RUcookoo
3 hours ago
Is America still paying Egypt and Israel millions a year not to fight each other ?
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@musajallow5710
7 hours ago
great colonel indeed
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@AntonioJose-fy3zh
1 hour ago
Thanks Coronel Douglas Macgregor…for exposing the world of reality

@hussmortada
5 hours ago
The most revealing and honest interview I have seen since the start of the conflict. Very interesting indeed, calling a spade a spade. Hat off to you both.
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@MA-sk4fg
7 hours ago
The sad thing about these futile wars is that lots of people got killed for absolutely nothing!!! What a waste of souls.
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@Puzian
7 hours ago
The Colonel isn’t correct about Türkiye. So far, all the Turks have done is talk. They will not fight. They will not stop the oil.
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@betweendrinks8885
4 hours ago
One day you’ll wake to NO judge and Doug – no internet – no TV broadcast – no power – skies blazing from afar and darkening – sirens in distance – heat unbearable- and no going back to what we once had
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@maxmurphy7306
3 hours ago
Great full cycle analysis guys.
Thank you judge Napolitano and colonel macgregor.
TRUE AMERICAN GRIT.

@Al7amed
8 hours ago
Iran didn’t signal anyone this time ! That was the last time, not this time.
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@neviocapodagli4742
7 hours ago
Amazing
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@dbassman27
5 hours ago
I value Col. Macgregor’s comments. Voice of sanity and reason in a maelstrom of hate and insanity.

@POLISHAMERICANLEGIONS
1 hour ago
Thank you very much for the great analysis great us Patriot colonel graduate of two military institutes and also to the Justice Napolitano for your great analysis every day and I am Polish American from McLean Virginia
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@MultiPrairiedog
6 hours ago
A vote for Trump or Harris is a vote for israel.
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@TheVigilantEye77
8 hours ago
The Constitution? What is that ?
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@INNIMA
1 hour ago
Im sick and tired of the iranian restraint
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@davetrump1584
8 hours ago
Hypersonic weapons, like ballistic missiles, fly at speeds of at least Mach 5, or roughly 1 mile per second. Unlike ballistic missiles, hypersonic weapons do not follow a ballistic trajectory and can maneuver en route to their target.
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@carlosorff
6 hours ago (edited)
Iran must not fall, as it is the gate to Russia from the south. So be prepared for Russia and China to protect its interest.Also the Turks. 31:37 I really do admire the wisdom of Mr. MacGregor and I agree fully with his last thought.
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@RiyadHaybe
3 hours ago
I agree with last Statement that the Colonel made. Very Dangerous!
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@McKav
9 minutes ago
Col. Macgregor (ret.) is brilliant. His analysis is crucial to understanding the true facts

@xp3703
7 hours ago
King of Jordan: “Elocuent but irrelevant” Precisely. So well said
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@L16s13O-
7 hours ago
Future VP Vance? How presumptuous of you. I’m not for neither one of them but Trump is no better.
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@litttoe
3 hours ago
It’s unbelievable that we are at this point in reality.
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@peaceb4
3 hours ago
A fair and just UN would send UN Peacekeepers to Gaza and UN Weapons Inspectors to Israel
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@gnosticbrian3980
7 hours ago
Read the Brookings Institute strategy document titled: “Which path to Persia?: options for a new American strategy toward Iran”. Written in 2009, it sets out how America could use Israel as a proxy to sow discord and war throughout the Middle East. And that template appears to have been followed.
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@letterpress01
7 hours ago
Other podcasts have reported that the Israelis were taken by surprise and there was a great deal of damage done. Some of the videos show dozens of ballistic missiles hitting the airbase. The opposite of what you are describing though I am a fan Colonel.
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@DarrenSmith-tq2xz
1 hour ago
Thanks for the great content once again God bless you col Douglas magregor and judge napalotano stay safe and well both of you

@bullasbullas
3 hours ago
Another great show Judge. Keep it coming.

@mariadasilva3444
5 hours ago
The King of Jordan speech is convincing! However, it’s just “empty” words! Don’t trust him at all!
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