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Ernst Zundel

My Life and Political Awakening

1979

[German-Canadian revisionist, author, artist and activist Ernst Zundel gives a fascinating account of his life and adventures up to 1979. See table of contents for list of highlights.

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(Words: 13,198 – Duration: 75 mins)

01 “Who Are You? Where Are You From? What is Your Background?

02 I was Born Just at the Outbreak of the Wwii

03 My Mother Saying: “Oh, That’s the Front Coming Closer.”

04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed

05 the Allied Occupation with the Rapes, the Looting, and Then the Starvation

06 the French Allowed US Only 850 Calories Per Day in Ration Coupons

07 We All Looked Like Kids from Bangladesh or Biafra

08 Father Comes Home a Broken Man from an American Pow Camp

09 Zundel Graduates from Public School and Decides to Become an Artisan

10 an Aptitude Test Declares Him as Being “Universally Talented”

11 Enrolled in a Three Year Apprenticeship Training Program as a Graphic Artist at Age 14

12 Completes His Apprenticeship with Flying Colours and Moves Osnabruck in North Germany

13 Zundel is Told He Must Speak German!

14 German Magazines with Full Page Ads from the Us, Canada, Australia, Etc., Saying “Immigrants Wanted!”

15 Zundel Choses Canada Because It Looked Like Home in the Black Forest

16 Arrives in Montreal Canada in the Fall of 1958, and Then to Toronto

17 Gets His First Job in Canada as a Graphic Artist for Simpson Sears

18 Getting Settled Down in Canada, with a High Paying Job, Learning English Every Day

19 Meets a Lovely Young Girl in Night Language School, Leading to Marriage and His First Son

20 Brings over His Mother for a Visit, Travels Around North America, Recession Hits and No Job or Money

21 Moves to Montreal and Starts Job Hunting at 21, but Becomes a Freelancer

22 Starts to Learn French, and Business Succeeds, Puts a Down Payment on a Home

23 Develops an Interest in Politics and Meets Adrien Arcand, the Hitler of Canada

24 Visits Europe and Contacts Many People to Further His Political Education

25 Enrols in University in Montreal to Study Political Science and History

26 Becomes a Public Speaker to Overcome Shyness

27 Declare Himself as a Candidate for the Leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada

28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven

29 the Whole Exercise Only a Method to Gain Attention for My Cause

30 Germans Being Second Class Citizens in Canada

31 a Live Interview Which was Broadcast to Europe in German

32 Received Only $105 in Donations for His Efforts to Help the Immigrant Community

33 Must Now Return to Business Life and Tend to Mending My Fences

34 Separatism by Communists Becomes Violent in Quebec

35 Discovered Indeed That There was a Conspiracy to Shape History

36 Sells House and Goes on On World Tour Through Europe, Africa, Middle East, and the Far East

37 Suffered Culture Shock, Race Shock!

(In progress)

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This is Ernst Christoph Friedrich Zundel. I’m the man behind Samisdat Publishers in Toronto, Canada. At the request of many of my friends, both here in Canada, especially in America, in Australia, in South America and also in Europe, I want to tell you about myself. Many of you have asked:

“Who are you? Where are you from? What is your background? What was your development?”

Many of you have been very generous. In book orders, in tape orders, in donations of money, material and support. I think I owe it to you that I reveal all there is to know and all that those who put their life virtually on the line for me and for our cause are entitled to. I was born on the 24th of April, 1939 in a small town of less than 4,000 souls in the Black Forest of Germany. My family lived in an old cottage, 350 years old at the time. It was, in fact, the oldest house in the whole valley.

Now, the Black Forest, as many of you maybe don’t know, was never conquered by the Romans. The people living within these black, dark forests were fierce warriors. And the Romans found it easier, after numerous battles and engagements which they lost, to circumnavigate, to go around the Black Forest. In effect, they built a wall around the Black Forest, fortified wall, which was called the Limes: LIMES. And you will find it written up in history books. Well, my folks lived in the Black Forest for centuries.

And research with that in my family tree has actually traced it as far back as the 14th century to Switzerland and from there to northern Italy. On my father’s side, we were lumberjacks, peasants. On my mother’s side, she comes from Bavaria, near the town, historic town of Augsburg. We were middle class people, teachers, lawyers, musicians, writers, artisans.

02 I was Born Just at the Outbreak of the Wwii

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I was born just at the outbreak of the war. I was the fourth of a family of six children and the oldest son. My earliest childhood recollections, of course, are of the war. My father wearing his German army uniform, coming home on leave from Russia. He was with the medics, ambulance trains, in fact, picking up the wounded from the battlefields of Europe and bringing them home to Germany, to hospitals, some of them which were in the Black Forest.

And of course I remember as a lad the tremendous joy to be held in my father’s arms and to go on outings with him into the woods, however brief they were the next recollections are bombing raids of strafings by Allied fighter bombers, notably French in this case. And the real horrible nature of war came home to me as a very young boy by being yanked out of bed at 3, 4, 5 o’ clock in the morning when these massive bombing raids by American and British bomber fleets took place. And their flight path, invariably when they went to bomb Nuremberg, Dresden, Aschaffenburg, Munichen, passed over the Black Forest.

And I remember vividly the endless droning of these powerful Flying Fortresses and Liberators. And then also on the way back, Allied planes crippled by German flak, on fire, burning, wings dropping off, pilots jumping out with parachutes and so on. It was just an absolutely frightening experience for a young fellow. And those were my wartime recollections.

04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed

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And then a new dimension was added. In that I could hear the thunder of guns coming ever closer. And I remember my mother saying:

“Oh, that’s the front coming closer.”

Well, I didn’t really quite know what “the front” was, but it was something ominous because everybody was afraid, everybody was frightened. And German troops appeared, on retreat. Old soldiers, some without guns, came through.

And then there were artillery duels with Americans and French guns shelling German positions. The German positions running right through our valley. Germans once in a while firing back, artillery shells exploding all around us.

And then flight. My mother was frightened. She took us, five children at the time, to the forest and there we hid. We took our goats with us, our chickens, our rabbits. We tied them all up in dense bush and waited for the hostilities actually to pass us by. And we saw by peeking through cracks in the Woods that indeed, French army units were moving up the valley and tanks were stopping and they were looting our houses and Germans were being killed. German soldiers were lying by the roadside, German vehicles were shot up and the front passed us by. And shortly thereafter the war was over.

04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed

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However, just at the end of the war, the city of Pforzheim, our neighbor city, was bombed in a massive air raid in which over 20,000 people were killed in this once lovely medieval old city. And the firestorm created by this American bombardment was so horrendous that I remember all the trees in our valley bending towards this town and a tremendous suction taking up leaves and branches and twigs and rushing down the valley towards this town. The whole sky was illuminated, even though the town was over 20 km away.

I remember the next day my mother, who was working with the Red Cross, being called upon to go into this town to help those who could still be helped. And when she came back, she was a changed woman for all the horror she had seen and all the human torches that had shrunken bodies down to children’s size. A town which we knew so well, had been reduced to utter ruins and utter rubble!

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05 the Allied Occupation with the Rapes, the Looting, and Then the Starvation

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Couple that with the invasion, the end of the war, with the rapes, the looting, and then the starvation, and the needless cruelty of the occupation occupying powers to children, man and beast, in fact. My father became a prisoner of the Americans and went through some horrific experience in an Allied prisoner of war camp in Darmstadt, where for four weeks these men lived without shelter in open fields, eating earthworms, bugs, drinking practically their own urine. Just a horrible mess!

And we children, of course, couldn’t go to school because the school was occupied by Allied troops. Tanks, armored cars were parked in the schoolyards. Life seemed to almost have ceased. And then slowly the French, who occupied our area with Moroccan and Algerian troops, colonial troops, got their act together and established civil administrations under the military government. Naturally, the people who governed Germany at that time were quislings, in this case, Allied quislings. They did the bidding of the Allies.

And I remember the very first edict was, that all radios had to be delivered to a central collecting point. So that these radios were then taken as booty to France. Then gold watches were taken, then all rifles, all guns, on pain of death, were taken. Then all cameras were taken. In effect, it became a major crime to photograph or to record any of the Allied misdeeds in Germany. And everybody complied with those rules and those laws, because after all, there was just no way that they could be changed.

The German army had surrendered unconditionally. The German government was a mere shell, prevented in executing its governing functions by the Allied military authorities. In other words, the Germans were disenfranchised.

06 the French Allowed US Only 850 Calories Per Day in Ration Coupons

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Hunger broke out. We were starving. The French allowed us 850 calories in ration coupons. The United Nations today says that man needs 2,000 calories to survive. Towards the very end of the war in German concentration camps, the inmates got 1750 calories. And here we were with 850 calories. What that means, I want to illustrate to you simply by this, that we got two pieces of bread a day. Never mind butter, meat and stuff like that.

But as a young growing fellow, to be having to live on two pieces of bread meant that we were constantly starving! Susceptible to all kinds of diseases, constantly sick, constantly cold, no shoes on our feet, no clothing, because of course the warriors had been very tough on the Germans. And here, where the so-called peace years worse. Then the French confiscated all our seed potatoes, which meant that the farmers had to deliver all our seed potatoes to the authorities. And therefore it was a foregone conclusion, since you couldn’t seed, that there was going to be starvation at the end of the summer.

07 We All Looked Like Kids from Bangladesh or Biafra

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And sure enough, that’s exactly what happened. Children came down with massive hunger and protein deficiency caused diseases, skin sores. We all looked like kids from Bangladesh or Biafra. However, the world seemed not to care.

In the meantime, our mothers were molested by these occupying troops. Our sisters were chased all over. Some were raped. Many a black mongrel baby resulted, because these troops, after all, were colonial color troops.

And I remember coming home from school, which had started in the Evangelical church basement at the time, and seeing a tremendous fracas in the town square, in effect observing a battle between the White French officers and the French colonial troops, which in fact, later on turned to the disarming of the French colonial troops. And only the French officers were bearing arms by that time.

Life began to normalize. Hunger was a constant companion. So was fear. And of course, my father was still a prisoner. We were five at that time. My mother did the best that she could in raising us. I attended the little country school, and it was a horrible period for everybody, also for myself.

08 Father Comes Home a Broken Man from an American Pow Camp

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But finally one day my mother said:

“Papa is coming home!”

And my father came home a broken man from the American prison of war camp. He began to pick up his old life as a lumberjack, and things seemed to go to normal. But we soon discovered that my father’s spirit was indeed broken, and he turned to alcohol for solace. That complicated, of course, our problems. A large family, little income, and now this added burden.

However, my mother was a strong personality. We had our little land, which we tilled, grew our own potatoes, grew our own vegetables, grew our own teas, herbal teas. We had some goats, from which we got milk, some chickens from which we got eggs. Berries we collected in nearby woods, mushrooms in summer, wood for the wood burning stoves. We made our own tools, just like in medieval times. And almost you could say that we lived in a cashless society.

09 Zundel Graduates from Public School and Decides to Become an Artisan

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It was wonderful in its simplicity to be growing up at that time. In my family, we had no radio, we had no television. We had all told 10 books in our bookcase. It was almost as if I was living in a medieval environment. School taught me very thoroughly and very efficiently how to count, how to spell, how to write. I graduated from public school in the top ranks. There was not enough money to go on to high school or higher education, even though the teachers tried to get scholarships and so on. But at that time, Germany had different problems to worry about than to sponsor one of its simple sons to higher education. And therefore it was decided that I should become an artisan.

And since I had been a very good artist and always sketched and drew on every scrap of paper, my mother decided that:

“Well, this is what this boy is going to be. He’s going to be an artist.”

Well, she was soon informed that to go and to study art at some university cost just unaffordable amounts of money. As fate would have it, our old cottage was an attraction for all kinds of artists. Painters, watercolorists. And one day one of these artists, while he was sketching this picturesque scene, spoke to my mother and he was invited for a cup of ersatz coffee. And was of course, introduced to young Ernst’s drawings.

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10 an Aptitude Test Declares Him as Being “Universally Talented”

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And indeed, he said, maybe because he was polite, that:

“Oh yes, this boy has definite talents as an artist.”

But since to become a fine art painter was almost an impossibility, he too suggested that I should become an artisan. Well, he suggested to my mother that I should go to the local manpower or unemployment office where they could evaluate me and advise my mother for a job. Simple matter! We took the train, took the last bit of money that my mother had scrounged and went to the neighboring large town of Pforzheim, that had been devastated earlier in the war and which was now slowly digging itself out of the rubble. And there, amongst the ruins, I went to this special labor service or unemployment office testing center. And some men in white smocks, middle aged men, gave a two day test, an aptitude test. And lo and behold, here was young Zundel. They said:

“Universally talented! I could have become anything!”

Well, that somewhat perplexed my mother. She said:

“Well, but he wants to be an artist again.”

Again the advice was given to her:

“There is no money, no survival in art in modern day Germany, which is in ruins. Let him learn a trade!”

And one of these men suggested I should become a commercial artist. And there were two or three firms that were specializing in commercial art. And they were given notice and we were given their addresses and we went there. And sure enough, after seeing my drawings, one of these firms, a graphic art Institute, adopted or accepted me as an apprentice, an apprentice artist.

11 Enrolled in a Three Year Apprenticeship Training Program as a Graphic Artist at Age 14

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And I was enrolled in a three year apprenticeship training program. 1953, that was my pay was to be a dollar a week for the first year, $1 a week for the first year. Then for the second year it was to be $1.50 a week. And for the third year it was to be $2, not a little over $2 a week, if you can believe this. You heard correctly. My duties were to do all kinds of work, to learn the Graphic Arts business from the bottom up. And during my weekly work at this firm, which comprised working on Saturdays too, 48 hours a week, I was to attend two days of graphic arts college to learn about printing processes and so on.

Well, that meant that as a boy of not quite 14, I had to get up at 5 o’ clock in the morning, walk for half an hour towards the train station, there, take the train for three quarters of an hour in order to commute to this city of Pforzheim. And the same procedure, of course, reversed itself in the evening, where I then would come home about 7 o’clock. So from 5 o’ clock in the morning till 7 o’ clock at night, I was learning and working in this trade. I enjoyed it thoroughly because here I was in my world. It was warm, it was indoors, I could sketch and I could draw. And I learned how to become an artist. And it was just wonderful!

And I passed the tests that, the occasional apprenticeship tests, intermediate tests and so on with flying colors. Graduated at my end of three years learning period with top honors! And immediately was rehired by the firm which had trained me. And they were giving me a very handsome salary for a young fellow at that time. As a matter of fact, at the age of 17, I earned twice as much as my father did, immediately.

12 Completes His Apprenticeship with Flying Colours and Moves Osnabruck in North Germany

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Well, naturally I had been introduced to the city life. Become stimulated by all the things that were available. A larger world opened up. And my mother contributed to this by saying:

“Boy, across this hill there is a world to be conquered!”

Well, maybe I took her a little too literally, because within less than a year I applied for a job in the north of Germany and went there to further my studies. Because by no means is one a fully rounded, complete expert in one’s field after an apprenticeship. This is only rudimentary. And I was immediately accepted by my virtue of my test results and by my samples of my work that I submitted. Immediately got a very well paying job in the town of Osnabruck in the north.

13 Zundel is Told He Must Speak German!

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Well, I bid my family farewell and took the train and onto new adventure to the north. And discovered that the dialect that I was speaking in the south, which was Swabian, was not understood by my fellow Germans in the north. And on the second day, the man in charge of this new company called me in and he said:

“Zundel, you must understand that you must speak German here, not Swabian!”

You see here I was a stranger in my own land. However, youthful vigor and spirit of adventure got the better of me. I very quickly learned to speak high German. And settled down to a new way of life. And I was able to support my family financially with the money that I earned in this firm.

14 German Magazines with Full Page Ads from the Us, Canada, Australia, Etc., Saying “Immigrants Wanted!”

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Well, it was the time of full page advertisements in German magazines and in German newspapers by the United States, Canada, Australia and South Africa. And it said:

“Immigrants wanted!”

And in glowing colors it portrayed these lands of unlimited possibility. Well, there was my mother again ringing in my ear, saying:

“There’s a world to be conquered!”

And I found myself writing away to these addresses in these magazines for brochures and information about these various countries. The United States, Embassy in Germany replied, the South African embassy replied, the Australian embassy replied, the Argentinian embassy replied. And the Canadian embassy replied.

15 Zundel Choses Canada Because It Looked Like Home in the Black Forest

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However, I decided that I was going to go to Canada.

The reason was really quite simple. I liked what I saw in the brochures. It looked very much like the Black Forest. There are lots of trees, lots of mountains, and it was like home.

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Also, the seasons were the same. They were winter, summer, springtime, fall. That also appealed to me. And one of the big deciding factors, Canada had no military draft! You see, I believed in all the propaganda that we were fed after the war, that the Germans were a bunch of war criminals and murderers and an army of looters and rapists and so on and so I had an aversion bred into me by this Allied propaganda. The step from thought to action in my life never was a very long one. I decided to apply for immigrant status to Canada. Within three months. I was granted it.

In those three months, as a precaution, I just decided that I was going to learn some English. So I rode away for a correspondence course and going by the book and by listening to BBC London Foreign Service, I learned English, English. Not realizing that in Canada and the United States, English, English was just about useless. And again I found when Canada finally accepted me and I got on the boat and steamed out of Germany towards this new wonderful adventure. And when I landed in Canada, that nobody could understand my English, English.

And so I had to relearn again. And my German boss’s phrase:

“Boy, speak German!”

Rang in my ears. In this case it meant speak English, meaning Canadian English.

16 Arrives in Montreal Canada in the Fall of 1958, and Then to Toronto

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I landed in Montreal in the fall of 1958, immediately was put on a train and shipped to Toronto, because the immigration officer in Germany at the time had determined for me that my best possibilities for work were indeed in Toronto, the English language area in Ontario. I arrived at the time in Cananda, when there was one of these ever recurrent depressions in this land.

Of course, I had no idea nobody had told me about that. And all my other German friends with different trades were unemployed. And were really suffering. So I took my sample work, went down to the local immigration office, manpower office. And with my limited amount of English, English said to them, qy my name is Ernst Zundel. I’m a commercial artist looking for work. Fine, they said:

“No problem. We will fund your job in no time.”

Well, that made me feel better. I was sent around to various people and found out that indeed I couldn’t speak any English. I couldn’t understand what these people were saying to me.

However, every day I learned 30, 40 words out of the dictionary. And within three days I was sent to a firm, a very large firm, well known to North Americans called Simpson Sears. In America is called Sears Roebuck.

17 Gets His First Job in Canada as a Graphic Artist for Simpson Sears

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Well, I introduced myself again, had the letter from the immigration with me. Which introduced me as a new arrived immigrant needing assistance in the form of a job in my chosen field. I showed the people there my sample work. And the man in charge of this organization of a graphic arts Institute looked at my work and said:

“Impossible!”

And I didn’t know what impossible meant at the time. But I could see by the way he was wrinkling his forehead that he was skeptical. And so with hand and foot, I was trying to explain that here are my test results, Here is my diploma. These are my samples. And he said:

“Ah! Just wait a minute. I have a German lady here. She will translate for you.”

Off he went to return a minute later with a lady from Hamburg. This lady looked at my samples, asked me what my background was, where I was trained. I pointed out my apprenticeship papers, my fantastic test results. And very good references I had in Germany from these German firms. She translated it to him, and his skepticism turned into surprise. He said:

“How is it possible that a young fellow of 18 could be so advanced?”

Well, that led to a discussion of the German apprenticeship training program. The testing that they do over there. And naturally inherited talents being developed to the utmost and so on. And this fellow turned out to be a Scotsman. And he still had this undertone of skepticism. And she told me in her translation that he just couldn’t believe it! Well, that really somewhat angered me. And I said:

“Look, if he doesn’t believe me that I can do this kind of work, I’ll work for nothing! I’ll work for two, three days for nothing. I have my tools with me. And then he can see whether I can do the work or not!”

Well, that pleased, I suppose, the Scotsman in the Scotsman. And he said:

“Great! You can start tomorrow! First thing, 9 o’ clock in the morning.”

Here the immigrant arrived with his satchel on his back, his sandwiches in his pocket. And I settled down in an area that I was assigned to do some work. And for the next three days this Scotsman really put me through my paces. Well, he was astonished! And I could see he came to see me every half hour, three quarters of an hour, hour on the hour, monitoring my work, that he was increasingly surprised.

At the end of the three days he called in the German lady, called me into his office and he said:

“Young man, you are hired!”

And he said at that time, it was $93 a week!

But in the excitement I didn’t really understand that and I thought he must have made a mistake or maybe I misunderstood him in that he said “$39 a week”. Because at that time I was sharing an apartment in a rooming house with a German immigrant, a master, he had two master titles in his trade, bakery and so on. And this man was earning $41 a week. So I thought undoubtedly he must have meant $39 a week. And I had already calculated out that even with $39 a week I could save some money and I could continue to support my mother and my brothers and sisters back in the Black Forest.

Well, Friday came around, payday came around, and of course, with trembling hand I opened my pay envelope and there was a check for $93! I couldn’t believe it! I thought that I had hit paradise! $93 at that time was a fantastic amount of money! And I could live on $25 a week!

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18 Getting Settled Down in Canada, with a High Paying Job, Learning English Every Day

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So very quickly I began to establish a saving account and save my money frugally, sent some money home and was really settling down in this lovely land, learning English every day. I found people extremely kind towards me, all kinds of help when you are helpless as an immigrant. And I found at that time there were only Whites in Canada that I came in contact with. It was just a joy to be amongst these people! There was real brotherhood in the true sense of the word. And I was made welcome everywhere that I went, or so it seemed.

Christmas came around, I was invited by some Canadian people to their homes for Christmas. And homesickness, which was an off and on problem, began to fade.

19 Meets a Lovely Young Girl in Night Language School, Leading to Marriage and His First Son

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Soon I got to know a lovely young girl in night school where I had gone to attend language classes. And one evening the door opens and in came a beautiful looking redhead! And I said to my German buddy who was sitting beside me:

“Boy, she’s gonna be my woman!”

Sure enough, I made sure that I would get to know her better. We became friends, acquainted, engaged, were married, established a family, and soon our first boy was born in the city of Toronto with a lovely French name, Pierre.

20 Brings over His Mother for a Visit, Travels Around North America, Recession Hits and No Job or Money

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But adventure again, gripped me. I had saved all kinds of money. So I decided:

“Ah well, I must bring my mother to this lovely land and pay back a little milk money.”

And had bought myself a car and traveled all over the province and all over the country and short my mother, who had after all given me life and nourished me and had made sure that I could learn such a fantastic and well paying trade as commercial art to give her in return the joy of seeing a land which otherwise she couldn’t have done.

Well, the company which I had joined by that time had promised me leave of absence and that I would have a job back when I got back from my travels.

As it turns out again there was a recession and no job. I had spent all my money on traveling around North America for three months and I had about $75 in my savings account. A small baby, newly married and suddenly no job! Well, my mother had returned to Europe and here I was, $75, all this responsibility, 21 years old. I said to my French-Canadian wife, I says:

“Mon cherie, what are we gonna do?”

Well, she said:

“You always wanted to go to the province of Quebec. I’d like to go be back amongst my own people too.”

21 Moves to Montreal and Starts Job Hunting at 21, but Becomes a Freelancer

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Well, we loaded our belongings, very few as they were at that time, on a truck and moved the 350 miles from Toronto to Montreal and I went job hunting. Well, I soon found that in the city of Montreal the commercial art studios were much smaller. That commercial art was not as well paid as it was in Toronto, because Toronto is the graphic arts center in Canada.

But I also found that many of these smaller studios could not afford a highly paid specialist like myself. However, each one of them assured me that they had repeatedly and off and on jobs that required my specialty of photo retouching and I should leave my name and phone number. Well, I couldn’t find a steady job, so I decided:

“Well, the heck with this, here’s a perfect opportunity to become a freelance artist!”

And I merrily set up shop in one of the bedrooms in the apartment, bought myself a secondhand drawing desk, a small compressor or air bottles for my airbrush. And the first telephone call was received, a man said:

“Mr. Zundel?”

Of course, in French. And I quickly had to teach myself the first few words of French.

“Oh well, I have a job for you.”

So I jumped on my little Volkswagen down, I went to the center of the city, picked up this job and I earned my first $35 as a freelance artist being self employed.

22 Starts to Learn French, and Business Succeeds, Puts a Down Payment on a Home

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The first month was, the second month was a little better. The third month was very good. And within the first quarter year everything was just running beautifully! We were once again beginning to save a little money. I worked very hard day and night. I taught myself French, went to French night classes and went knocking on doors and generally just “hustled”, as the North American expression goes. And within a year or two had saved up enough money to once again travel the whole continent. And I took my wife and my young child and we went out to the west coast, out to the east coast and then we thought:

“Gee, if this is such a well paying trade, we could afford a house!”

Again, from the thought to the act, not very far removed. We paid a small down payment on a house. In those days you could get bungalows for a down payment of $300, with a 35 year mortgage at 5 and 3 quarters or 6% interest. In other words, it was a young couple’s dream. And sure enough we made a down payment on a beautiful home.

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And since we had some money left, we decided we were going to go to Europe while we were young and see Europe as well. So we booked a passage on an ocean liner and we went over to Europe, traveled all over Europe.

23 Develops an Interest in Politics and Meets Adrien Arcand, the Hitler of Canada

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However, in the meantime I had met and developed an interest in politics and met some very interesting people in Canada. The most notable amongst them was the pre-war leader of a French-Canadian fascist type party called the National Unity Party of Canada. And I had met this individual called Adrien Arcand, the Hitler of Canada. Well, that was to have a tremendous impact on my life because this French-Canadian spoke fluent German, and he had a fantastic library of all books in the German language. And he made these books available to me, allowed me to borrow them.

We discussed the content of these books and lo and behold, it was a French-Canadian who turned me into a German! He showed me the lies of World War II, explained to me the propaganda, the reasons why these lies were told, the instigators of the lies!

24 Visits Europe and Contacts Many People to Further His Political Education

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And I took a Political Science course. And at the advice of Mr Arcand, took this tour to Europe contacting all kinds of very interesting people in Germany, in Austria, in Italy, in Switzerland, in Spain, in England and in the Scandinavian countries. And I took what you could call a crash course in political history.

25 Enrols in University in Montreal to Study Political Science and History

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Well, I found on my trip while being over in Europe that certainly my public school education was limited in scope, and I decided to enroll in university as soon as I returned from Germany. I did exactly that. I enrolled in Sir Charles Williams University in Montreal in Political Science and History. I attended university in the evenings. During the day I went after my commercial art business, built up a small thriving studio, and found time to write for German newspapers, the university student newspaper. And above all, I found time to get involved in everyday politics. And we organized demonstrations, mass mailings, and I found that I was a rather shy fellow at the time.

26 Becomes a Public Speaker to Overcome Shyness

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And so I decided that I had to overcome this shyness. And I sent out a flyer to all the Churches and lodges and unions and all kinds of organizations in human society, in offering myself free of charge, of course, as a speaker. I really only had one topic on there, and the topic was “Communism, a threat to our civilization”. Well, I hadn’t expected a reaction to this. I was literally inundated by requests to come and to speak to youth groups, air cadets, student bodies, church congregations, businessmen clubs, Kiwanis, Rotarians and so on. It was just an incredible situation!

And very soon I began to lose my shyness. I took some speaking training at the Dale Carnegie type courses that were offered, and within a year I had overcome my inborn shyness and developed a very passible speaking style.

28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven

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Well, then an event happened in Canadian history. The prime minister of Canada, Lester Pearson, Nobel Peace prize winner, decided that he was going to resign and hand over the prime ministership to the leader of the Liberal Party, that was to be said, selected in the leadership race, which meant that anyone who became leader of the Liberal Party also would become the leader of Canada. And I immediately spotted this as a fantastic opportunity to catapult myself into the public. I had done a tremendous amount of radio talk shows and, as I said, public speaking, writing, had organized some demonstrations of an anti-communist nature, together with some other ethnic groups in the Montreal area. And I was beginning to get known in the country.

And so I decided, fine, I’m going to declare myself as a candidate for the leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada. Well, naturally that was somewhat of a sensation because I was only 27 years old. I was, after all, an immigrant, a newcomer to this country. I was still a student at university, although I was also a businessman, a young man at that.

And our second son arrived. This time he was given the German name to reflect the German part of the family heritage. His name was Hans. I became the candidate for the Liberal leadership and traveled the country giving speeches, press conferences, visiting delegates, collecting signatures. What I had to do in order to become a candidate was to be recognized officially by at least 55 prominent Liberal Party Bigwigs. It was the toughest thing I ever did!

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28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven

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But ultimately I made it to Ottawa with tenacity and drive and fervor and cajoling and a certain amount of good luck, I suppose. I ended up in the sports stadium in Ottawa. The president of the Liberal Party, after some minor obstacles and evasive measures, had to admit and sign me up as an official candidate of the Liberal Party, one of seven candidates. All the rest of the candidates pretty well were drawn from the cabinet. Multimillionaires, millionaires, very well off people.

And it turns out that although my campaign had cost me three months of my life, $3, 500, the man who ultimately succeeded in capturing the title of leader of the Liberal Party and thereby Prime Minister Canada, Pierre Leotudo, had spent, as compared to my $3, 500, $385,000! Well, number one, I didn’t have the money. Number two, I had no illusions of grandeur that I could from nothing catapult myself to the prime ministership in this country.

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29 the Whole Exercise Only a Method to Gain Attention for My Cause

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However, the whole exercise really was only a method to gain attention for my cause. My cause being that I wanted to have the anti-German propaganda, the lies about Germans and German history, especially the lie of the Germans killing 6 million innocent jews and committing all kinds of war crimes, I wanted to have that stopped!

And I thought, what a terrific platform. And that is exactly what happened. I had myself nationwide publicity as an officially recognized candidate for the Liberal leadership race. I was able to speak to all the delegates. There were 2, 700 delegates and, 205,000 spectators in this lovely sports arena, the Civic Center in Ottawa. 371 radio stations and 500 TV stations across the country were plugged in. Every newspaper was represented there. And certainly my wildest dreams were surpassed in the amount of publicity and coverage I got from my cause.

30 Germans Being Second Class Citizens in Canada

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And of course, my remarks about Germans being Second Class citizens in this land and so on were broadcast nationwide. Well, that got me to the attention of the German Embassy in Ottawa. And the press attache, together with the ambassador at the time, visited me in the walking space that every arena has behind the rink and was going to congratulate me for my wonderful activities. And I just told him to:

“Go to hell!”

In exactly that many words for being such a coward! Because the three years before that I had appealed to him to do something about this undetermined propaganda in this land and received absolutely no help!

31 a Live Interview Which was Broadcast to Europe in German

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So now I told him just to:

“Go and beat it!”

Which he did with a shocked expression on his face. Well, the German language section of Canadian Broadcasting Corporation International Service got in touch with me for a live interview which was broadcast to Europe, Trans Oceanic Cable, in German. Again, I could ride an attack against the evils of anti-German brainwashing and propaganda.

And I remember very well how the men in Europe kept saying:

“But this is impossible, but you cannot say this!”

And I had to repeat to him frequently:

“Look, not only am I saying it and you are hearing it, but I’m also meaning it!”

And so he says:

“But this is so unusual!”

I said:

“Listen, I am living in Canada, in the land of unlimited opportunity.”

Well, that’s the way it used to appear, and that’s the way it was in those days, certainly for a young lad of 27.

Well, the leadership race passed. It was certainly a high point in my life, and I had hoped to represent not only the Germans, but also the immigrants in this country.

32 Received Only $105 in Donations for His Efforts to Help the Immigrant Community

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However, I was soon to be sadly disappointed. Very little interest was shown by the immigrant community! Everybody, I suppose, was busy carving out a new life for themselves, getting started. You know, the usual thing that men do when they start out at the bottom of the heap, clawing their way up. And I received a few hundred letters, few hundred phone calls, expressions of support. But the one area where support can be best measured in this materialistic age, in the monetary area, I received one donation of $5 from a Canadian lady and a donation of $100 from a friend of mine, a German fellow!

In other words, for all my struggles and all my expenses, I received $105 in donations. Well, that made it obvious to me that there was no possibility of doing something meaningful in a full-time professional way.

33 Must Now Return to Business Life and Tend to Mending My Fences

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And I thought:

“Well, I must now return to business life and tend to mending my fences there.”

And I became the editor or assistant editor of a student newspaper, became also assistant editor for four regional German newspapers in which I basically wrote articles. In the student newspaper. I had my own column called Politics Today, Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow. At university I was active in the internal radio and TV service in the community. I was busy giving my speeches and doing a lot of talk shows, radio talk shows at the time. And generally settled down to becoming what you could call “an involved young member” of the community.

34 Separatism by Communists Becomes Violent in Quebec

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However, it was during that time in the province of Quebec that separatism became violent and communist inroads were very clearly now breaking into the open in the separatist movements. We had bombs going off here, there and everywhere. The communist rhetoric, clenched fist salutes, communist demonstrations, accompanied by violence. Communist demonstrations at university, race riots at our own university took place. And I got more deeply involved in the reasons behind politics, and soon found that a whole new world was opening up to me.

35 Discovered Indeed That There was a Conspiracy to Shape History

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And I discovered indeed that there was a conspiracy to shape history in a certain way. Well, that called for more study and more learning. And during my appearances I had always found that reporters and detractors and people on radio talk shows kept needling me by saying:

“But you don’t know anything about the places that you speak of, such as Israel, the Middle East, Africa, Asia. You have never been there! You only know your stuff from theory.”

And I was getting so sick and tired of this, answering this, that man can learn indeed by books and by radio programs and by TV programs and so on, that I thought:

“What’s the use!”

And I said to my wife:

“Look, I have the money. I have also the desire. Middle age is creeping up on me. I would like to go and see these far off places and to inform myself firsthand.”

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35 Discovered Indeed That There was a Conspiracy to Shape History

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We sold our house. We took the proceeds from the money, my wife rented an apartment, stayed at home with the children in the province of Quebec. And Ernst went off on a world tour! And for seven and a half months I first toured all Europe, from the North Cape practically Bergen, Lapland, Finland, northern Sweden, Sweden, Denmark, Scotland, northern Scotland, Hadrian’s Wall, all the way through Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Italy, and so on through Germany, Austria.

And then I left Europe behind and went to Greece, down to Turkey, to the Middle East, Israel, Cyprus, then to Cairo, and from there on south through black Africa, all the way to South Africa, Rhodesia, till I ultimately arrived at the southernmost tip at the Cape of Good Hope.

From there I retraced my steps, went over to Iran, India, Pakistan, Southeast Asia at that time to war in Vietnam, Warsan, Cam Ranh Bay, from there to Thailand to Cambodia, Hong Kong, Taiwan, from Taiwan onto Japan, Japan to Hawaii, from Hawaii, back home to the United States and Canada.

I can say that I learned a tremendous amount amongst people of these strange cultures, strange traditions, strange races.

37 Suffered Culture Shock, Race Shock!

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Well, I returned from this world trip, which really was a study tour for which I had prepared a number of years through studying at university, reading books, looking over old historical battlefields, cultural history of Greece, ancient Rome, ancient Aryan civilizations, Buddhism and so on. I went to all these historical places to give myself a feel of how it was, how it might have been then. How it was today. It was an incredible, overwhelming experience.

And I actually have to say that I suffered culture shock, race shock! I suddenly found myself sometimes absolutely alone for days amongst people of different racial backgrounds, standing out like a sore thumb amongst Asians, Indians, blacks, Arabs. It was an absolutely worthwhile experience which I can only recommend to all those who inspire for leadership. It is an absolute must!

Nothing beats practical first hand knowledge, and seeing with one own’s eyes, feeling with one own’s hands and soul, smelling these people of different races, the stench of millions in Bombay, sleeping on the sidewalk. Tasting their strange foods, seeing how primitive many areas of the globe still are, being whisked by jet from the Stone Age to the Space Age.

And I remember sitting in a hotel in India the day when the American space program finally put an American on the moon. And here I was, the only White man amongst all these people. And I asked them:

“What do you think about that?”

And they answered me without any second thoughts and saying:

“Ha! More Hollywood movies. It is impossible that man could do this!”

They just could not perceive that man actually had, thanks to Western technology, through German thought and American money and the industrial capacity of the Western world, in effect. Placed a man on the moon and had reached out for the stars.

It was then that that I realized that:

“Oh yes, there was a difference, that we were different!”

And I then determined to look into the race question far more deeply than I had before.

When I returned to Canada, immediate problems of child rearing, children raising, rebuilding a business, of course, took all my attention. We decided that the best route for us as a family would be to return to Ontario, because in the province of Quebec, separatism by now was absolutely rampant. And since I had been one of the most outstanding, outspoken public figures against the separatist movement, my wife was under constant threat to have our children kidnapped, to have herself molested. And our house was frequently painted with communist and separatist slogans. Added to this was the constant harassment by the Canadian secret police, the plain clothed police of the city of Montreal, who for some strange reason all ganged up on me, who was leading the fight against separatism.

And only later did it dawn on me the reason why I was such an unpopular public personage was that I combined youth, drive, talent, and of course a very clear understanding of the real forces that are at work in Western society and especially in North American and Canadian society, and made no bones about it, and set about organizing an effective resistance against it. So I of course was prime target!

However, since my immigrant community did not feel that they should make a contribution, politically speaking, in Canada, the English Canadians looked at me askance because of course I was berating them for their anti-German bigotry. The jewish community in Canada was frightened because of course I claimed, based on pretty good authority, that there never were 6 million gas jews in Europe and that the Zionists in effect were running a gigantic extortion racket against the German people using the media of the world! So in effect, I was like a prophet in the wilderness.

I had in effect, no power base whatsoever! The only power base that I have was the money that I generated with my own hands, doing my artwork, through the sale of my paintings, through some of my writings, some small fees for public speaking. But really the only people backing me were people who had come to me, converts through my lectures, talks, features, articles, radio shows. But it was just nowhere nearly enough to say that I was going to be able to become a political force in Canadian life. I therefore did make the step and did move back to English speaking Ontario. I retreated, so to speak, into myself, more study to digest what I had learned.

And I did put to use what I had learned in radio talk shows, TV talk shows. Some of the country’s leading TV programs approached me to become a guest on their shows or to be participating as a panelist, and I did exactly that.

One program in Toronto that I participated in several times was the Crossfire program, a program that was delving into controversial issues at the time, such as draft dodging by American Vietnam draftees, modern art, corruption and so on. And I enjoyed myself immensely and was quite popular on these programs. These programs of course, were seen by other TV and radio producers who in turn invited me onto their programs.

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Please contact Gus Stefanis Leader of the Canadian Nationalist Party.

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Zundel is undoubtedly a fantastic German who was dedicated to telling the truth about these jews and what they’ve deliberately done to Germany and its people. This relentless attack upon Ernst because of his honesty and commitment to exposing the truth about these jews and what they did to the German people and for this they’ve attacked him using jewish Liars like Lipsdat etc to attempt to defame and ridicule him in the Courts etc. Ernst has shown us all what these evil jews have done and are still doing to this day and for that he has earned the respect of many. Vale Ernst Zundel.
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The Flipside with Monika – Ep 27 – Germar Rudolf – Jan 18, 2025 – Transcript

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Monika Schaefer

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 27

Germar Rudolf

Sat, Jan 18, 2025

[In this weekly podcast episode The Flipside with Monika on Republic Broadcasting Network, Canadian nationalist and author, Monika Schaefer talks with, writer, translator, publisher, PhD Chemist and holocaust skeptic Germar Rudolf about; the passing of a revisionist giant, Jurgen Graf; Germar’s Holocaust Encyclodpedia; and his latest encounters with “the system”.

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Monika Schaefer: All right. Greetings. Hello, good afternoon, good evening, good morning, wherever you might be listening from. You are listening to Republic Broadcasting Network at Republicbroadcasting.org and this is episode 27 of The Flipside with Monika. And I am your host, Monika Schaefer. And I am very pleased that my guest today will be Germar Rudolf.

Before I bring him on, though, I have some announcements, you could say, a public service announcement. And one is about an event, and the other is sad news that we will talk about with Germar together.

But the first one has to do with there’s a meeting going to happen in Powell River, British Columbia, Canada, and that is on the West coast. It’s on the Sunshine Coast. And I am telling you this because if you know anybody that’s on Vancouver Island or in Vancouver or along the Sunshine Coast, please tell them about this meeting because they should go! What it is Leah Gazan, that is the Member of Parliament from Manitoba, who has introduced a Bill last Autumn that is to criminalize the promotion of hatred against indigenous people. If you are condoning or justifying or downplaying the historical and lasting impact of residential schools.

Now, these are these Indian residential schools in Canada that I have spoken about before. She will be in Powell River this coming Monday, January 20th. And just a little bit about her. She has this thing called “being a survivor”. I mean, it’s in her blood, on her maternal side. Her grandmother was a Lakota Indian and apparently was a survivor of a school. And her grandfather was Chinese. And her paternal grandparents, they were both jewish. Father was born in Holland, the paternal grandfather, I should say. And he was a toddler when Germany invaded, and he spent the war years in hiding in Holland. And the grandmother was in a concentration camp apparently in Germany. So Leah Gazan has this survivorship all really, she’s expert at it. She’s got it down pat. She introduced this bill. To me, this Bill sounds very, very similar to the Holocaust denial bills in various countries, including in Germany, where myself and my brother Alfred were both in prison.

And so, yeah, it’s an issue that I think is really important.

Now, the woman who is the local MP there on the Sunshine Coast and Powell River, somebody Blaney*, I can’t remember her first name. She says:

“It’s not debatable that it occurred.”

And she’s talking about the residential schools happening. Yes, they did happen, just like the work camps in Germany happened.

[* MP Rachel Blaney to host community discussion on Indian Residential School denialism

Powell River, BC – NDP MP Rachel Blaney invites community members to an important and timely discussion on the harms of Indian residential school denialism and pathways toward truth and reconciliation. Blaney will be joined by special guest NDP MP Leah Gazan, a lifelong educator and human rights advocate. The free event will be held on Monday, January 20, 2025, at Evergreen Theatre in Powell River with a welcome reception at 5:00 pm and a discussion at 6:00 pm.

The discussion will focus on the ongoing harms caused by Indian residential school denialism, explore its impact on survivors and communities, and discuss actionable ways to advance truth, justice, and reconciliation. Gazan will also speak about the importance of Bill C-413, a proposed bill aimed at preventing the promotion of hatred against Indigenous people.

“This discussion is about honouring the fact that Indigenous people who have lived through residential schools or are related to survivors of residential schools should not be put in a position where they have to defend that those experiences happened,” Blaney says. “We collectively as a country must embrace the fact that residential schools happened and hold that as a collective truth. It’s not debatable, and every time we act as though it’s debatable that it occurred, we are silencing the voices of people and their families and loved ones who went through that lived experience.”

“Residential school denialism jeopardizes the safety and wellbeing of survivors, their families and Indigenous communities,” said Gazan. “It is simply an incitement of hate against Indigenous people, which undermines any progress made towards reconciliation. We need to protect the stories of survivors and ensure denialism is stopped.”

This event is an opportunity for individuals of all backgrounds to learn, engage, and reflect on how communities can work together to honour survivors and ensure truth is at the centre of reconciliation efforts.

Admission is free; however to help plan for food and setup, those wishing to participate are encouraged to register on Eventbrite. Event Details: Name: From Truth to Action: Ending Residential School Denialism. Date: Monday, January 20, 2025

About Leah Gazan: Since 2019, Leah Gazan has been the NDP MP for Winnipeg Centre. She is a member of Wood Mountain Lakota Nation, located in Saskatchewan, Treaty 4 territory. Her 2022 motion recognizing residential schools as an act of genocide received unanimous consent in the House of Commons, as did her motion to recognize the ongoing genocide of Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women, Girls and Two-Spirit Individuals as a Canada-wide emergency. In September 2024, Leah introduced Bill C-413 An Act to amend the Criminal Code (promotion of hatred against Indigenous peoples) to criminalize the wilful promotion of hatred against Indigenous peoples by condoning, denying, downplaying or justifying the Indian residential school system in Canada through statements communicated other than in private conversation. Source: https://rachelblaney.ndp.ca/news/mp-rachel-blaney-host-community-discussion-indian-residential-school-denialism]

And another parallel, you see. So she says:

“Every time we act as though it’s debatable that it occurred, we are silencing the voices of people and their families and their loved ones who went through that lived experience.”

Again, I see so many parallels with the Holocaust and this is our own, you know, Canadian so-called “genocide”. And they are going to criminalize you if you are merely skeptical about what they are telling us in that regard.

So that meeting again, if you have any friends in that area of either Vancouver Island or Vancouver or north on the Sunshine Coast, tell them about this meeting. It’s January 20th, starts at 5 pm at the Evergreen Theater. And yeah, that was that public service announcement.

And then I have sad news that a great man in our movement and that is the, you could say the “Revisionist” movement. I personally am not fond of that word. I would rather call it “Correctionist”. We are correcting history that we’ve been lied to about.

Nevertheless, Jurgen Graf (15 August 1951 – 13 January 2025), he has passed away this week, Monday, January 13th. And like Germar Rudolf, Jurgen Graf is a giant in our movement of trying to get the truth out there. He not only wrote books, he translated many books, and he apparently was very fluent in quite a few languages. And I think that Germar will be able to tell us more about that after I bring Germar on.

And I think at the beginning I was distracted by the fact that we didn’t have Germar on yet. I forgot to tell you the date today is January 18, 2025.

Also, just a little reminder that if you possibly can, dear listener, if you have the means, please remember that this is a listener supported network and if you go to RepublicBroadcasting.org you will find all the information there for how you can support the network either through phone number, through PayPal, through mailing cash or check. There are different means. There’s a donate button there and there’s the information there.

So all right, now I see that we have Germar here. I’ll just give a little bit of background and then I’m going to bring him on.

Germar Rudolf has written books. He has published many books through this codoh.com, that’s Committee on Open Debate on the Holocaust and Castle Hills Publishers. He will tell us more about all these things. The latest big work is the Holocaust Encyclopedia. Fantastic information in there! And he has been under the gun for all these things.

[Image: Jurgen, Carlo, and Germar]

Now he comes from Germany, he is a PhD level chemist, became curious about certain things that were a little bit of anomalies there in Auschwitz and then started to investigate and get into some trouble he is in the United States. I have no idea where, but he is on the line now. And Germar, are you there? Greetings to you.

Germar Rudolf: I am. Can you hear me?

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Monika Schaefer: Yes, we can. So would you like to just before we get into, actually two topics. One would be to talk a little bit about your dear friend Jurgen Graf, and also your latest adventure, or shall we say your latest encounter with “the system” in quotation.

Before we get into that, would you like to expand a little bit about your history in case we have some new listeners? I’m always hoping that we have new listeners. And on that note, I do encourage listeners to share these programs with others who you think need to hear these programs. Okay, go ahead, Germar.

Germar Rudolf: Yes. Well, where do I start? Shall we start with my dear friend Jurgen?

Monika Schaefer: Yes, let’s start there and then we’ll go into these other matters. Please do.

Germar Rudolf: We both had a similar introduction into revisionism in the early 1990s. We both learned about skepticism on the mainstream Holocaust narrative via the Canadian free speech trial by Ernst Zundel, the second one of 1989, where American expert on execution technologist Fred Leuchter appeared as a witness. And his report [The Leuchter Report] caused quite some stir internationally. Well, internationally you can say, it was translated into a lot of languages. And both Jurgen and I found out about it, got curious about what’s going on since forensic evidence is considered superior to any other, in particular to anecdotal evidence. We both picked up our ears. He was, however, a linguist and not a scientist, where I was a scientist and not a linguist.

[See: Book: White World Awake! — Stopping the Planned Extermination of Our Volk]

Actually, as a matter of fact, I couldn’t speak any foreign languages. My English back then was so bad that I couldn’t even read normal English text fluently.

So he is fluent in, or was, I should say, unfortunately, 12 languages, if I’m correct, maybe it may have been more. And he took a historical-social approach to the topic. He was in touch with French scholar Dr. Robert Farrisson, who is one of the early leading lights in Holocaust skepticism and learned from him the ropes and then started writing a book in seclusion. And I was at the same time going down the scientific, the forensic rabbit hole, trying to figure out whether the infamous Zyklon B deployed in Auschwitz, presumably for mass murdering jews, could have left any long term traces in the Masonry of those alleged gas chambers. And if it could have left them, would they survive the time? And if they survived the time, could we still find them there?

[Image: Fred Leuchter holding up his original report]

So there’s this question that was raised by Fried Leuchter. But it was answered too hastily, too superficially. And I wanted to figure out really properly. I was not doing it in seclusion because as an expert witness, I was then actually showing up in various German trials, summoned by defense teams to testify on behalf of people who were on trial for, quote, unquote, “Holocaust denial”. And that, of course, I had to have my name under the expert report I wrote. And I had to appear under my real name as a witness. And that got me straight away in the cross-hairs of the authorities who were targeting me. And persecution started right there.

My expert report and a popularized book that was broadening the scope to many more topics. Both were published in 1993. At the same time Jurgen Graf had also published his two books. One called “The Holocaust Swindle”. The other one is “The Holocaust on a Test Stand”.

And we found out about each other’s existence only when we heard that each other’s books had been published. It was a little bit surprising because our point of contact should have been Robert, who was in contact with both of us, who advised us. And he actually kind of proofread my first version of my expert report to make sure that from his point of view, everything is straightened out. And he found a few flaws in it, fix it, helped me along the way.

But anyway, he kept us separate. So we found out about each other sometime in 93. We met for the first time in 94, which was about the time that he got in touch with Italian researcher Carlo Mattogno, who is probably the most knowledgeable Holocaust expert on the whole planet. He was just gearing up back then, and the way he geared up, he wanted to go, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, to all the archives that were containing massive amounts of documents on the camps where “it” is supposed to have happened, whatever “it” is.

They were tucked away for decades after the war. The Soviets or Poles, or whoever, had tucked them away for the most part, were not accessible, or not even known to exist to Western scholars, or any scholars for that matter. And after the collapse of the Soviet Union, they became known and accessible.

So Carlo Mattogno, who couldn’t speak neither Polish nor Russian, wanted to get into these archives. Jurgen Graf was fluent both in Russian and Polish. So they teamed up and went on numerous trips to various places where the “crime of the century” is said to have happened. To get not only a forensic look at the leftovers in those camps, but also go into the archives, copy thousands and tens of thousands of documents, and started analyzing these. They sat down and wrote a number of books together, one on Treblinka, one on Majdanek. They are probably the most well known that they did together. They are part of the Holocaust Handbook series that I then started publishing.

So we were kind of a trio with Carlo Mattogno doing most of the hard archival work. Jurgen Graf was being the interpreter, doing the journeys and he was translating Carlo’s Italian stuff into German for me. I was the publisher initially only in German, and later when I was in English or American exile, polishing up my English, improving it to the point where I could actually publish academic level texts, was the one who was getting the message out.

Over the decades to this point, we have published 53 hard hitting archival forensic studies, for the most part. It’s the most comprehensive research study series on the Holocaust that exists in the world. It puts any mainstream work to shame! And it is the one series that makes the saying true that:

“The Holocaust is the best investigated and documented event in history.”

But not as the mainstream claims, but we are the ones who actually document it. The mainstream has, since the war, until the Soviet Union collapsed, collected anecdotal evidence. That’s not documented history! That is “chatted” history.

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Monika Schaefer: I like that what you said, because that’s always what they say:

“This is the best documented event in history!”

And yeah, it is.

Germar Rudolf: Yes it is! Because of holocausthandbooks.com. So 53 books, so much information and they’re complete overkill! Carlo Mattogno has the ability to go into the last nooks and crannies and describe every nut and bolt that was ever fixed in a German concentration camp because so much is documented. The Germans with a bureaucratic frenzy had documented every pencil then pushed from the left to the right of their desks. So I exaggerate here a little, of course.

Monika Schaefer: [chuckling] I think that’s great what you say, because the Germans are kind of, shall we say, putting it politely, they’re teased for being very meticulous about detail. So that is very important. It’s exciting.

Germar Rudolf: And it is fortunate because when it comes to two of the most important camps Majdanek and Auschwitz, there are mountains of documents! And the claim that the Germans destroyed something because they wanted to hide their crimes, it’s just wrong! No, they left it all behind. The Russians grabbed it and hid it in archives. And now it has become accessible, for a while.

In 1998, 99, the German government put both the Polish and the Russian government under pressure to close the archives and make them accessible only to accredited, officially recognized scholars. So we were excluded again from that point onward. But by that time we had enough material and we think the most important material to actually fill all these studies.

Now there is so much material that I have published over the past 35 years, both in English and German, over and over again in new editions and transformed into audio books and ebooks and all the rest of it.

And I had all this knowledge and access to it, but I had no overview. Even though I should be the one that has the best overview. It was just too much information even for me to retain. Many times I was looking for something that I know is written in some of the books. Where can I find that information? And I could pinpoint 3, 4, 5 volumes where it probably is. I had to look it up and search until I finally find it in one of my PDF files. And it happened over and over again! And finally I was sick of it!

And we had the idea we need to do something about it. An encyclopedia needs to be done, where certain keywords and buzzwords can be looked up and all the pertinent information is right there with a reference where you can find it mostly in our own books, but also mainstream literature, in periodicals, articles and so forth, whatever the case may be. So that the eternal search for something:

“I know I published it! Where is it? I can’t find it! This or this, or this?”

It finally ends! If I want all the witnesses that have ever claimed that flames shoot out of chimneys, which for technical reasons it is impossible, it’s invented. This is a cliche of the Holocaust that you can now find which witnesses have said it. How do I know? I go to the Encyclopedia. “Flames coming out of chimney” is an entry in there. Boom! There’s a long list of witnesses, all of which have copied from each other and all of which have lied!

And so there are a lot of features of the Holocaust where you can do that. And you look it up and boom, there it is! You will find it in no other resource. It’s wonderful! And I finally don’t have to search my own books anymore because I have it summarized.

Monika Schaefer: Yay!

Germar Rudolf: Yay!

So it was a selfish enterprise to finally not have to do it anymore. But the thing has been out for two years. We’re in a third edition now. So print on demand. We always make new editions that we keep up to date and correct whatever corrections are necessary. We have sold so far 2,000 copies. Roughly 2,000 copies direct marketing mainly of a specialized encyclopedia. This is unique! We are completely banned from Amazon. No libraries buy our book. Normally these specialty encyclopedias almost exclusively get bought by mid size and large libraries. There is no market really for it. But this one is such an amazing book. People read it cover to cover because every entry is just wonderful!

Monika Schaefer: Well, I can attest to that. I can attest to that. One of those is getting into my home. [chuckling]

Germar Rudolf: We are getting off the track. We were with Jurgen Graf.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, well, we wanted to talk about., … But you know, this is great anyway because I did want you to give some of your own history. And in so doing this is what is going on. So that’s fantastic!

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Germar Rudolf: And just that was created by this trio of Carlo Mattogno, Jurgen Graf and me. I’m putting it out, making it fit for publication, present it that is presentable and accessible. Jurgen Graf has done a lot of the translation work, at least for the German edition. And Carlo Mattogno is the heart and the engine of the whole operation with producing most of the stuff.

So one of these trio of massive revisionist, skeptical producers of hard hitting scholarly material has now died, unfortunately, just a week ago. And I’m very sad for that.

I met him the last time in 2002. He came visit me with his wife. Back then I lived in Alabama, and he was with me for two weeks. We went hiking, we sang our German hiking songs and even back home we were having some campfire romance without the campfire, but the romance was there with singing folk songs. His wife Oda, Belarussian, and she is rooted into Russian tradition of Russian folk music. And there are some German folk music songs which have been translated or borrowed, should say, from Eastern European countries. They have a little bit of a Russian feel to them when it comes to the melody. And she loved it! Listening to music that sounded like home in the middle of America sung in the German language. A cultural mix that was quite amazing!

Anyway, we had a good time, last time I met him in person. Wonderful fellow, dear friend and a genius when it comes to languages. Speaking Indonesian, Chinese and almost all of the European languages they can come up with. A fantastic fellow! Unfortunately a victim of cancer.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, I’ll add, I only got to know him and not in person, not face to face like you, just in the last couple of years because, and I think this is probably it turned out to be one of the last major pieces of work he did because he did become ill during this project. But he did translate my book “Sorry Mom, I was Wrong about the Holocaust” into German. And we worked together on that. He would, because I do have a fairly good knowledge in German, he would send me chapter by chapter as he was translating. And I must say he does his translating work from his head. He does not use any computer translating, what do you call it, program? So it is, I think, very, very superior translation because he would just describe something the way one would say it in German, rather than sentence by sentence, just fixing the grammar or whatever. But really I think the German book turned out better because he made improvements and then the publisher did as well. So usually the translation of a book is not as good as the original, but in this case, that is not correct. I think the German book turned out better because of Jurgen Graf’s amazing work!

And so each chapter he’d sent me, and then if he didn’t, I would read them, and if it didn’t quite get the gist of this or that in the telling, then I would give him my feedback and he would make the corrections to that, and then we’d send it off to the publisher bit by bit by bit.

And I got to know this man, and not only is he a genius with knowing, I didn’t know that until a few days ago that he knew so many languages. Somebody told me 15 languages. I don’t know if that is correct, exact. But he obviously was a genius. He was a genius, but not only in the languages and also in his knowledge about historical events, but a very, very nice man! Good humor, just really sensitive. I have nothing but good things to say about this man. I’m going to pass it back to you, Germar, please.

Germar Rudolf: Yes, yes, absolutely! He was an artist when it comes to two languages. He would turn a book, a text in general that was a little dry, a little on the boring side, a little bit too technical, turned it into a text that was wonderful to read. He enlivened text with spirit! Sometimes he put in irony and sarcasm where I think it was deserved, because some of the material you have to deal with as a Holocaust skeptic is really absurd and sometimes even grotesque. Now, with scholarly text, you have to be careful with sarcasm and irony. And he was pushing it a little bit too much at times. [chuckling]

But when it comes to my. To my personal flavor, I would say:

“Right on, give it to them!”

Sometimes I had to edit it out because the author didn’t want that. So he wants it to be dry because such a controversial topic, he doesn’t want to ruffle any feathers.

But anyway, other than that, yes, he constantly, systematically turned text into something that was better, that was more pleasant to read. So it was wonderful!

He focused on translating from the 12 languages. German, French, English, Russian, Polish, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Spanish, Italian, you name it. He was roaming throughout Europe, and he would lecture in those languages live in those countries to audiences. This is amazing! You have to have this fluent ability to speak and express yourself expertly in all of these languages. And he taught many years German, I think, in other languages in Indonesia and in China. So he learned those languages too, along the process. So quite amazing! Quite amazing!

Monika Schaefer: Germar, I have a question regarding the translating services that he did. The work that he did he translate in both directions? Like, for example, would he translate a German book into French or Italian or whichever other language? Did he do that, or did he mainly translate other languages into German?

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Germar Rudolf: He could, but he refused to. He has done here and there, English text, but he knew that his command of those other languages is not on par level with what he expected the quality of his translations to be. Therefore, he usually refused to do that, and only when pushed would he agree to that.

So, yeah, mostly he would translate from those languages into German, and not the other way round.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

So I think we’re gonna be at the break soon. And the original intent to invite you on my show was to speak about your latest adventures, or misadventures. But I am so glad that you were able to talk about Jurgen Graf, because you know him better than most of us, certainly a lot better than myself. And I just think this was very, very important to talk about him.

And we will talk about some of the things that you, I think you were arrested. Why don’t you just start on that? And then when the break comes, we’ll go to the other side.

Germar Rudolf: Well a little bit of the background. If people had humor in this country, you know, I’d say the cliche is the Germans don’t have humor because I tell people:

“Well, because in Germany, humor is illegal. You can go to prison for it. Therefore, Germans are not inclined to make jokes.”

So I say:

“The shortest German joke is ‘Auschwitz’, because the German word for joke is ‘witz’.”

So the last syllable of Auschwitz is the word witz. So Auschwitz is a witz. Auschwitz is a joke!

Monika Schaefer: Oh, wonderful!

Germar Rudolf: You go to prison for that if you say that! And there are so many other [word unclear], you make jokes about mass immigration, about minorities, you go to prison for that!

So if you have a culture for decades, it started with Frederick the Great, and he started the censorship in Germany, and it’s been a tradition ever since. And it’s gotten worse and worse and worse with the first pinnacle, you can say, under the Nazis. And now in modern Germany, again.

Monika Schaefer: So Germar, we’ll carry on with this after the break and so I hope everybody hangs on and we’ll talk to you in a few minutes. Thank you.

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Monika Schaefer: All right, welcome back to The Flipside with Monika. I will give out the numbers now if you’d like to call in and join our conversation with our very special guest, Germar Rudolf. And the numbers are, 512-248-8252, or 1-800-313-9443.

Now, I just want to say that what I have seen of just the accomplishments of Germar Rudolf is that he must be one of the hardest working people that I know. And it is just phenomenal, how in German there’s a word “fleisig”, he’s just very hard working man. And so I just want to thank him now publicly for all the work that he has done over the years, over the many years and paid quite a price for all that work.

Now, Germar, I wrote you a letter and I don’t think you got that letter. And let me tell you where I sent that letter. I wrote it on December 27th and this is after our long mail strike in Canada. Finally, things were moving a little bit, although they were moving pretty slow, but I think you still wouldn’t have got it. I sent it on December 27th to Cattaraugus County Jail. Am I saying that right? Where is that? And what were you doing there? [chuckling]

Germar Rudolf: I was moved from there the day before. So you wrote it a day after I had been moved from there. So it would have been completely an effort in futility. Cattaraugus Jail, Cattaraugus County is, if I’m not mistaken, the West most county or one of the West most counties of upstate New York.

I was driving in my car west. I was planning to go to a dear friend of mine who had succumbed to cancer and was having health problems. And she was the last survivor of her family and had no one really. And I said:

“I’m coming over, I’m taking care of you. I can take my stuff with me and work from there and we’ll just have a good time, whatever time is left for you.”

Because she was terminal and they didn’t give her a lot of time, even though it turned out at the end it was even faster than they had predicted.

Anyway, I was on the way there and I got pulled over by the police because there was allegedly an arrest warrant out for me for or some minor thing in a different state, that is to say Pennsylvania. And normally that is a non-extradition affair because for misdemeanors they don’t go through the hoops of making extraditions. It’s very complicated. It goes from one state to the next and it’s time intensive and cost intensive and usually they don’t do that. And actually my case was marked as non-extraditable. So they called the Pennsylvania prosecutors and evidently that changed their mind. And he said:

“Yes, we want him.”

Monika Schaefer: And just on that note, I’m going to interject here. Do you think that this changing of their minds had anything to do with your volumes of work that you do? Even though this was on a completely unrelated trivial charge from a couple of years ago? What do you think?

Germar Rudolf: Pure speculation! Fact of the matter is, the case was two and a half years old. And in those two and a half years I have written an encyclopedia and the team I’m working with on marketing and all the rest of it, we had quite some success lately. As I mentioned, we have so far sold 2,000 copies to normal people for all walks of life. This is completely unusual!

So we have two unusual things. Normally a person doesn’t sit down and writes an encyclopedia. That’s to say teamwork of many scholars usually and takes a long time. And I wrote that thing in just five months.

So this is an unusual. A Singularity in history because I had all this knowledge already gathered and on my desk and right there at my fingertips. I was in a unique situation to be able to do that.

And then I had all the energy after my family had collapsed. It’s a different drama story.

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Monika Schaefer: I’m very sorry. I’m very sorry.

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. That has a long story. I don’t want to go into detail, anyway.

Monika Schaefer: No, we don’t really have time to get into those.

Germar Rudolf: Anyway. I was a caregiver of three children and ran a household. That was my primary thing. Revisionism, I was doing on the side.

And then suddenly all this disappeared and I was without purpose and aim. And a good friend of mine gave me purpose and aim back by saying:

“We need this encyclopedia because nobody can wrap their heads around this massive amount of work of 53 volumes. Impossible. You want to read it by the time you reach the middle you have already forgotten at the beginning!”

So I sat down, did it and then we got a good marketing strategy. It’s actually working! We’re breaking through all the censorship and blocking attempts of the enemy, going directly to the customer, circumventing anything of what they have put into the roadblocks there. Working wonderful!

Does it have an impact? When I saw we’re having more success, I said to one of my associates:

“Looking at past successes we ever had, knowing that as soon as we have success, the hammer falls. Some big move comes and they shut everything down.”

So something is coming our way. We don’t know yet what it’s going to be. Is it that? I don’t know. Behind the scenes, maybe it is, maybe it’s not so pure speculation at this point.

Now, coming back to what the background is of, why is there an arrest warrant for me. Let me get back to the humor and try your American-Canadian humor. Talking about cultural collisions. So as an immigrant who, by the time I came, had a fairly good command of the English language already. Not perfect, but fairly good, what struck me, coming from England to America, one of the first things, driving in people’s cars, showing me the countryside, is that you guys park on driveways and drive on parkways. You people need to clean up your language! [Monika’s laughing]

So this is a joke. But no, there’s a second, and that’s where it gets serious. If I were to buy, as a boy, boy shorts and wear them as boy shorts, should that be acceptable?

Monika Schaefer: The boy shorts, you say, or body shorts? I didn’t quite catch that.

Germar Rudolf: Boy shorts.

Monika Schaefer: Okay.

Germar Rudolf: Okay. I’m in the habit of doing triathlons, and that time I was doing triathlons very early in the morning. It started, actually, when I was at the military. I rode my bicycle 20 miles to the barracks early in the morning. And I realized that normal bicycle clothes for men, almost everything, particularly the warmer ones for the wintertime, they’re all black! And back in the days, there were no LED lights.

But if you have LED light, it doesn’t matter. You have so little light on the bicycle. You have black clothes. You don’t get seen by cars. You could get run over. I had near collisions with cars because they weren’t seeing me a number of times. And I threw away all this standard clothes for cycling and went into a store to find gaudy clothes! Neon anything. Neon yellow, green, pink, whatever it is, I want to be seen because I don’t want to get run over!

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

Germar Rudolf: So that was prior to the Internet. I had to actually go to a store for sportswear, and I couldn’t find anything in the men’s department. I went to the women’s department. Rainbow colors, neon pink, neon green. Everything is there! Can’t find in the men’s departments, all black, gray, brown, dark blue. Suicide clothes! I’m not gonna wear this!

So I went to the women’s department and got the shorts and the jogging pants there that have these gaudy colors. I don’t give a rat’s arse. There’s no sex assigned.

Monika Schaefer: Besides just to remind, you were going at like early hours of the morning when it was still dark. That’s the idea.

Germar Rudolf: Having coming to America the issue is that in the areas I lived initially it was as I mentioned in Alabama. But then in southern Pennsylvania, summers gets quite hot. Hotter than the summers are in Europe from what I’m used to.

And if you go to triathlons, you don’t want to wear cyclopants which you can’t go swimming with and you can’t do jogging with. And I was doing also calisthenics. So I needed different clothes. We had the Internet, I went on the Internet and I wanted short legged shorts, gaudy colors. And I found online a pink pair of boy shorts. Wonderful! That’s exactly what I want. Can’t ride up. Keeps my thighs, where there’s massive heat from cycling is produced. Free. So that can cool. And what I didn’t know is that boy shorts is a type of women underwear!

Monika Schaefer: Oh, [chuckling] I didn’t know that either.

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, boy shorts are for girls and girl shorts are for boys! Which brings us back to the yeah, so you can laugh. Everyone can laugh. The problem is some people cannot laugh. If I have pink boy shorts riding on a bicycle that has even pink emblazoned on it. And I don’t know that this is a prominent women’s underwear brand! [chuckling]

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Monika Schaefer: So Germar, I have to just kind of cut in here because we’ve got to cut to the chase a little bit.

And one thing that you told me on the phone, only because we’re running out of time, I’m enjoying this so much. Don’t get me wrong, this is a lot of fun. But we also do have a caller on the line. But I’ll bring him in soon. But not right away.

But one thing you told me on the phone because the whole thing is you got charged with something, what do they call it, “indecency” or something?

But you told me nothing was seen by anyone. Nothing! But wasn’t that something the prosecutor actually said?:

“Nothing was seen by anyone.”

Germar Rudolf: The police report said when they interviewed says:

“They didn’t see any genitals, anything exposed.”

They charge me for indecent exposure anyway because of a case where they said:

“Well even if nobody’s there and nothing is seen, if you expose yourself, you’re still doing indecent exposure.”

It’s a new case law and the legal profession is up in arms because that’s nonsense! Anyone pulling their pants down with no one around 4:00 in the middle of a night going pee. It’s also medically induced exposure.

In other words, we all are guilty of it because at some point when we were hiking, we had to do some business. Indecent exposure, right there! If you confess to having done it, you’re done! It’s insane!

Monika Schaefer: It is why I posed that rhetorical question. I’ll just say it was a rhetorical question. Do you think that all of this has anything to do with your actual work of publishing all these politically incorrect volumes and books?

Now, just before we bring on Chance from West Virginia, and we’re not forgetting about you. Thank you. But where can people get your books and where can people go to find those things? Because we’ve talked a lot about the Holocaust Encyclopedia. I think it’s probably pretty straightforward, isn’t it?

Now I’m going to put these things into my chat room, which is at Flipside Mo Chatango. I did put Codoh already in there for people who are visiting the chat room. But just tell us where they can get your books and then I’ll invite Chance onto the call.

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. The Holocaust Encyclopedia can be accessed, all the information free of charge and a version downloaded free of charge. Or you can buy either ebooks or printed books at holocaustencyclopedia.com Very easy.

The Holocaust Handbooks, the 53 I mentioned can be had at holocausthandbooks.com. Very easy. Now if you go to Holocaust Encyclopedia, it has a link in the top menu it says bookstore. You click on that and you’ll get to the general bookstore, which is armreg.co.uk. Armreg is ARMREG. That’s kind of Germar backwards. It’s actually Gamra, so couldn’t make it quite fit because it is actually Academic Research Media Review and Education Group limited. That’s what it stands for. But it was designed to kind of be my first name backward because that’s the legacy.

Anyway, these are the ways to get to the stuff. Just brief thing. Is there a link? Yes. When I was at my hearing two and a half years ago when they charged me with this, the prosecutor, when it was about bail or not, said:

“Not only do I have these weird habits of wearing weird clothes and gaudy colors and do stuff in the early morning, but I’m also an intellectual pervert because I’m the leading international Holocaust denier who dodges the law by running from one country to another. And that’s the reason why I shouldn’t be allowed to get bailed.”

So there you have it. Clear violation of First Amendment. Throwing stuff in there has nothing to do with it. And declaring me an intellectual pervert because I dare to single handedly write an encyclopedia. That’s perversion!

Monika Schaefer: Bingo. There you have it. They’re trying to charge you with being a pervert. But it’s the intellectual pervert that they are calling you.

Okay, Chance from West Virginia. And we do have only a few minutes left and we’ve also got another caller on the line. So please give your comment or question for Germar.

Chance: Hello. Yes, yes, gutenab Monika and Herr Rudolf. I couldn’t believe Jurgen Graf has passed away. He’s only nine years older than me.

Now, Mr. Rudolf, you rekindled my memory hearing Jurgen Graf’s name. I went to my personal library and I pulled out a book that I bought over to 20 years ago, if you can recall it. The Giant with Feet of Clay.

Germar Rudolf: Of course. I published it. Yes.

Chance: Yes. Raul Hilberg and his standard work on the Holocaust. Yes, and I like that phrase that Raul Hilberg made in the lower right hand corner of the book:

“Superficiality is the major disease in the field of Holocaust studies.”

Germar Rudolf: Includes him!

Chance: Yes, yes. And can I ask you another question, Mr. Rudolf? You wrote a book in German with Sybil Schroeder, it says. I’m skimming through the book right. Now I’m going to reread it again to refresh my memory. I haven’t read it in 15 years. Do you still write with Sybil Schroeder?

Germar Rudolf: Sibyl Schroeder was a pen name of Ingrid Weckert. And that was not a book, that was an article. And it was included as an introduction to the article on Einsatzgruppen murders in Dissecting the Holocaust. You can find it there.

Chance: Yes. It was written in the German language.

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. It’s translated in English, in Dissecting the Holocaust.

Chance: Yes. Yes. This book here, the Giant with Feet of Clay is, I think, the English edition is 2001, I believe. I purchased this book quite a while ago. And Jurgen Graf would have only been 73 or 74 years old when he passed away, correct?

Germar Rudolf: Yes, 73.

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Monika Schaefer: He was born in 1951, so in August.

Chance: Rather young.

Germar Rudolf: The Giant with Feet of Clay exists now in a new edition that was put out just two and a half years ago. Updated and you can find it as I mentioned on armreg.co.uk. You search for “giant”, and boom, there it is.

Chance: If I may ask you real quick before I hang up, if you don’t mind. What part of Germany are you from?

Germar Rudolf: Northwest of Frankfurt. That’s where I was born and grew up.

Chance: My relatives are from the Black Forest region, originally.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, Chance, I’m going to let you go. Not to be rude, but we do have several more callers in just a few minutes left. Thank you very much for calling.

So, Joe from Florida, are you there? Mr. Producer? Yeah, is that Joe? Hello?

Joe: Hey, Monika, thanks for taking my call.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, all right. Do you have a question?

Joe: Yeah, real quick. By the way, I just want to validate what Germar was saying. I’m a crazy addicted man who’s a bike rider and I know exactly what he means about wearing light clothes at night. I totally identify, just FYI. So I validate that.

But here’s the thing. It’s my opinion, Germar, that you are, and Monika and the great Ernst Zundel, you have all done the thing, which is, in my opinion, you have paid great tribute to your ancestors. Okay? And speaking as somebody with Swiss German heritage, we need to honor you and for you and for Monika and somebody like Ernst Zundel.

But it’s interesting. I want to see your idea. It seems as though it was almost necessary for each of you in your own way to actually get out of the homeland, get out of Germany in order to be free enough and courageous, I have to say, to write and do the work that you’ve done that has done such great tribute to your ancestors, who were very viciously maligned by the jewish Mafia in this country and in Germany, which they controlled. What do you think about this idea that it was necessary to emigrate?

Germar Rudolf: This is a German tradition. Karl Marx had to go to England to write his books. He couldn’t do it in Germany.

Now, that’s the polar opposite of maybe, in a way, but there is a tradition. There were German Professors who were fighting for national unification of Germany in the 1840s. And they all had to leave Germany, or many of them, because they were persecuted and they had brought to work from outside Germany. Unfortunately, that is tradition that comes with a tradition of censorship and oppression in Germany that has been there for centuries. It’s not a domain of National Socialism. It’s a domain of German culture and tradition unfortunately. People do not fight for their freedom of speech. They are easy to submit to government demands of ratting out neighbors and thinking pretty correct. And forming a lynch mob against dissidents. That’s an unfortunate tradition in Germany, I must say.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, so that’s a very good observation, Joe, that you make, first of all, about people leaving to be able to speak, and also about honoring our ancestors. And sorry to let you go, but thank you for your call.

Joe: Thank you.

Monika Schaefer: And I’ll take another caller. And we just have a very short amount of time. Barbie from, I’ve lost where you’re from, but please, Mr. Producer, could you bring on. Yes, Washington, D.C.

Barbie: It’s Barbie from Washington, D.C.

Monika Schaefer: Barbie Novak!

Barbie: Yes, I want to talk about the nudity. And I wanted to stick up for him because I was a nude model in Washington, Las Vegas.

My art teacher from Harvard was a nude teacher. I’ve taken lessons with her. And she gave me three of her paintings. I bought one. I have three nude males in my storage. [chuckling] You know what I mean? And it’s like:

“What are they doing to him?”

Now the one thing is, I was going to sell those three paintings. No one on Ebay wanted them. They would give a million dollars for a nude female. Zero. They don’t even exist.

So I think you’re being prejudiced against because you’re a male and nude. And I love to be at your trial! I love to speak up for you! I’ll bring my three paintings, my nude males with me.

Monika Schaefer: Germar, please, can you tell people where and when the trial is that that she could come?

Germar Rudolf: It’s not scheduled yet. It’s not scheduled yet. The schedule may happen in late February, so I don’t know yet. When it comes to this, I’ve gotten in contact with people who call themselves nudists and naturists. And the first encounter I had after these things, and I found out I didn’t even know what that means. And I happened to live together with a guy who called himself naturist. And I must say, I’m neither of these things. I have a completely relaxed German attitude to my body. I think that the natural state of anyone’s body can’t be a crime in itself. It depends on what you do with it.

But I’m just coming from a different culture and I’m thoughtlessly changing in public from one pants to another without thinking anything, because that’s what everyone does in Germany. And I didn’t realize initially it’s a problem in this country. Even though it is not a sexual activity, it’s not indecent exposure. It’s decent exposure for a few seconds to change! And there are other things that are going on. I don’t do these things intentionally. It was cultural collision because it’s just different in Germany.

Monika Schaefer: I like that word. We’re going to end on that “cultural collision”.

And of course you know your intellectual [chuckling] activities that they didn’t like. Thank you so much, Germar. Thank you to the listeners and the callers and thank you to the producer. And we will catch you next week. Thank you everybody.

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Blewitt
January 18, 22:31
I first learned of Holocaust Revisionism from a book written in the 1970s. This book was _The Hoax of the Twentieth Century_ by Arthur Butz, who was a professor of electrical engineering at Northwestern University.

kati
January 19, 09:04
im living near Hannover in germany, von der Leyen is near me here, we are said to be the most humorless in germany, stocksteif hochdeutsch thats what we are, wir gehen zum Lachen in den Keller is a saying we have here, we are serious by nature. Even the most nothern germans at the coast have more humour, south germans sure anyway always, or famous rheinländisch humour, thats not the case here, we go into the basement if we have to laugh.

kati
January 19, 09:21
Gemma oDoherty did a 2 hour talk with Germar too, highly recommended, and Kevin Barrett too, sure he tells the story more detailed when he is over 2 hours at them.
Imho the police did a trap on him, it was on purpose they got him, Germar should be careful in future he does not run into another trap.
And his experience in the jail was pure nightmare for me, they put him on purpose to the blacks, i would be rather with turks together but never blacks, thats the worst. Here in germany the prisons are mostly filled with these, but Alfred sure made that experience. My record is clean, i keep my opinions private, if i had to go to prison here in germany i would lose the last bit i have.
Thanks for the show like always very amazing und Grüße aus Deutschland!

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Monika Schaefer – The Flipside with Monika – Ep 24 – Prof Tony Hall – Dec 21, 2024 – Transcript

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Monika Schaefer

The Flipside with Monika

Ep 24 – Prof Tony Hall

Sat, Dec 21, 2024

[In this weekly podcast episode 24 of The Flipside with Monika on Republic Broadcasting Network, Canadian nationalist and author, Monika Schaefer talks with Professor Emeritus Anthony (Tony) Hall who joins Monika to discuss “how they keep the professors in line” on the prescribed narrative. Tony and Monika delve into the battle which Tony had to fight to regain his position at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta after his association with Monika and Alfred Schaefer and “holocaust denialism”.

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Episode 24: Professor Emeritus Anthony (Tony) Hall joins Monika to discuss “how they keep the professors in line” on the prescribed narrative. Tony and Monika delve into the battle which Tony had to fight to regain his position at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta after his association with Monika and Alfred Schaefer and “holocaust denialism”.

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Monika Schaefer: Hey, everybody. Greetings. You are listening to The Flipside with Monika. I am your host, Monika Schaefer and this is on the Republic Broadcasting Network at Republicbroadcasting.org. It is the 21st day of December in the year 2024. It is the solstice today. So that’s the shortest day in the northern lands and the longest day in the southern lands. And after this, the sun comes back, or if you’re in the southern hemisphere, I guess the days will get shorter for you!

Welcome. It is episode 24 of The Flipside with Monika. I have a few announcements and I guess housekeeping items to take care of and things to tell you about before I bring my guest on. My guest today, I’m very excited about this. I’ve been wanting this to happen for a long time. His name is Anthony Hall. He is a professor. Well, he’s a retired professor now at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta. I know him well. And we are going to present you with an interesting story.

But first I would just like to say that I’m going to take a little bit of a different approach to asking you to support the network.

So this is always a very uncomfortable part of my task because I feel like I’m asking for money, but I have to remind myself I’m not asking for money for myself. The hosts do not get money out of this. We do this because we know what is at stake and it is just critically important that we get to talk about the truth! I’ll just ask you to mute your mic, Tony, until you come on! No problem. Just some interference there.

So, yeah, so the reason, I’m just saying it always makes me a little uncomfortable because I don’t like to ask for money. I don’t want to guilt trip anybody. And again, it’s not for me personally. It is the network. It is a listener supported network.

And what I’m going to do is I’m just going to tell you the facts about it and then it’s up to you, [chuckling] dear listener.

So it is a network that is 90% listener supported and about 10% from the sponsors. So those would be the advertisers. And they have an operating budget. There’s the commercial internet, there’s telephone services. They have multiple lines. There are the satellite connections, there’s the electric bill, there’s rent. There’s equipment repair and replacement. And I can tell you that the staff do not earn much money. And there is free unlimited archives on the Republic Broadcasting Network and in fact, it obviously is a very, very important host, important messages, important things that are being done with this network because there are on average a quarter of a million downloads per month. Now there is unlimited free downloading on RepublicBroadcasting.org you can go there and download to your heart’s content and share these programs. So that happens a quarter of a million times per month. So that’s pretty big, I would say.

So anyway, that’s my little spiel and then it’s up to you. Just letting you know it is listener supported. And they are clean out of cash at the moment. So it is kind of a critical time.

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All right, I’m going to set the stage, so to speak, for before I bring Tony in to tell his story and that we’ll have a little conversation about some of the things that have happened to him. I’m more or less entitling this, “How They Keep the Professors in Line”. As I told you, he’s a university Professor and they have a lot of pressure on them to basically stick with the prescribed narratives on any number of topics. And by now, and I’m sure that most of the listeners listening to this program are aware that we are being lied to on a grand scale.

Okay, so if a Professor steps out of line, what happens to him? And Tony will tell us about that in a few minutes.

But just a bit of history here. I first met Tony in 2015, so about nine years ago, and he was traveling with Kevin Barrett on a speaking tour after Kevin Barrett had published the book We Are Not Charlie Hebdo. And there were multiple authors to that project.

And one of the authors was my friend Tony Hall. And they came, I hosted them in Jasper, Alberta where I lived at the time. And they spoke to do with the Charlie Hebdo incident, you may remember that.

And then in 2016 we traveled together to Germany and that was the year that I made my life changing video, Sorry Mom, I Was Wrong About the Holocaust. We also contributed bits like video pieces which then CODOH, which is the Committee on Open Debate on the Holocaust, they edited together a four minute video in which we answered the question “Why Do You Support Open Debate on the Holocaust?” And Germar Rudolf was at that time, he was the one who was heading up the CODOH website, CODOH.com. He’s no longer heading that up now.

And by the way, he has been arrested! He is currently in jail and awaits transfer to another jail. And this is all to do with something completely trivial and unrelated to what they really are after him for. And he has done a huge amount of work on Holocaust Revisionism as they call it. I would call it “Correctionism”.

But anyway he has published many books, the Holocaust Handbook series and more recently the Holocaust Encyclopedia which is an incredible volume.

And so we will talk more about that with Tony because somehow this all ties together. And actually a little bit more history here. Before I met Tony there was this Tehran conference and I’m sure you’ll tell us more about that, Tony, but in 2014, the New Horizons Conference. But I’m just still setting the stage here to give people a bit of background.

After that conference there were some smear articles against you and I saw the clip there which you’ve included in your epic article, we’ll talk about that. But this newspaper article in which Ezra Levent was also pictured, but we’re not sure who authored these words. But they talked about you:

“Still a madman and poster boy for the end of tenure.”

And that was in 2014. And in 2016 after our trip to Germany together, something happened to you, Tony Hall, that indeed that statement two years earlier was a little bit prophetic.

And tenure for those who don’t know what that means, it basically gives Professors who have paid their dues and put in a lot of work and time and are full Professors, it gives them academic freedom or that is the theory.

Okay, and now one more thing, I’ll just say to set this up, I have a certain relative and his words ring in my ears when I was trying to inform him about the lies. And this was only about 9/11 at the time. I don’t think I’d yet gone down the road of Holocaust, discovering the lies about that. And his words ring in my ears as I was telling him about Bolshevism and how they murdered millions and millions and millions of people and that that was a jewish operation and all those things.

And then this relative says to me:

“You mean to tell me that all the university Professors were wrong?”

And I know I’ve shared that with you, Tony. You said yes, I’ve said it many times. But that sets the stage for today. So welcome, Tony, to the show, first of all, greetings. And why don’t you tell us what happened to you in 2016? Over to you.

Pro Tony Hall: Well, thanks, Monika, and congratulations on having a regular show!

Monika Schaefer: Thank you.

Pro Tony Hall: You deserve it. And your story is very important. You know, just before I get into my own story, this whole phenomena of what happened in World War II, resulting in this production of this narrative which became known as “The Holocaust”. You know that in 1948, there was something called the Genocide Convention at the UN. So “genocide” entered the language, and many genocides have taken place over history. But when does a genocide become a holocaust? And when does “a Holocaust” become “The Holocaust”? Are we seeing a holocaust in Gaza? And how do you get this title of “The Holocaust”?

So The Holocaust becomes a narrative with a huge impact. You know, in a way, the winning side of World War II use their political currency to create the UN, to create Israel, to create the Genocide Convention. And this Holocaust story becomes kind of the core narrative of our times. It sort of defines right and wrong, good and bad, and it certainly becomes the political pillar for the state of Israel. And so as we were socialized to sort of feel very guilty and feel that this act of atonement through the creation of Israel was a good thing and a required thing.

But then, lo and behold, the people who received this first supposedly primal, defining genocide became deliverers of genocide since 2023. And now they don’t want to face the International Criminal Court, the International Court of Justice. They want to say:

“No, no, this is not a genocide. It is not a “Holocaust”.

I would say that the suffering we’re seeing imposed on the people of Gaza and it’s expanding from there, it’s beyond anything, even in the most extreme versions of what happened in the Holocaust, what happened at, say, Auschwitz. Meeting a death, let’s say we assume this controversial thesis that people died in gas chambers in Auschwitz. Dying in a gas chamber is nothing like the harshness, the ruthlessness, the cruelty imposed on people in Gaza who are being starved, no water, carpet bombed, just faced with an incredible array of various forms of genocide.

So I want to acknowledge the people who stand their ground. And you sort of led me down this pathway to see these things, going to Germany and meeting your brother. I mean, it was a great pleasure and honor for me to be invited by you and I took it, you know, it was a personal matter in a way, meeting Alfred [Monika’s older brother]. I’m sure the audience knows who Alfred is.

And then you made Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the Holocaust, a story that you told me very many times about your mother. And we made together this other video called “Why do you believe in open debate on the holocaust?” Which led me to become a kind of marked man. When I was saying it at the time, it seemed to me it was a no-brainer, this idea that of course we should have open debate on everything.

And as a university Professor Guarding the principles of academic freedom as I thought, it was a no-brainer to look in the camera and say that and justify that. And I was astonished by my colleagues in the university who didn’t take that as a given! We can’t allow the precedent to be set that there’s things we can’t talk about and issues we must avoid.

So very quickly after we returned to Jasper, you were immediately spurned and blocked from lots of things. The Legion, which was the major musical venue, you couldn’t play there, and then you couldn’t be on the environmental committee, and then you couldn’t be in the fiddle teaching business. And you know, it was just amazing to see all these institutional things shutting you down. And then most everybody, I saw, most every one of your friends turned against you and said:

“Well, now you’re a holocaust denier and you really seem to actually support the National Socialists. And I just can’t be friends with such a person.’

And I have to say that watching you at the time, you handled it well and strongly. But there were times I saw such sadness in you and it was something to behold. I wrote letters to explain how wrong it was to judge you by your political beliefs, to say whether or not you could teach fiddle. I would say to the fiddle people who run that school:

“Well, now you’ve gone into the political business of deciding thought policing. So you’re not really a credible fiddle teaching agency anymore or environmental agency.”

All of this thought control stuff came into place and I watch and actually one of your close friends decided it must be me. It couldn’t be dear sweet Monika, who was becoming this horrific Holocaust denier. And they figured I must be leading you [chuckling] astray.

Monika Schaefer: You and my evil brother, you know! [chuckling]

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah he’s in there, too!

And I have to say, it was one thing to defend open debate on the Holocaust, but then quickly I could see there were other things involved in this.

And so, anyway, I started to take the flack for this and be demonized because of it. And lo and behold, that next term, this was shortly before the term started in September of 2016, there was a major assault on my reputation, led by something called B’nai Brith Canada, the extension of the Anti-Defamation League in the United States, who, I imagine most people, if you’re listening to this show, probably know what that is.

But basically they see themselves as, they’re going to find the future Nazis and make sure they never get in power, and they’re going to defame and diminish and ruin the reputation of and make them unemployable, people who they think might be going to raise issues that they do not want raised.

And so there was a terrible scam that Facebook and B’nai Brith played where they made up a Facebook post on my Facebook wall saying that I was saying:

“All the jews should be killed and they should be strung up. And the Holocaust didn’t happen, but it should have happened, and kill all jews!”

Was in there.

And so this was spread around without me knowing it on the Internet. And then I became aware of it. Oh, my God!

And so it turned out that this was the preparatory work to what became my suspension. I was literally kind of dragged out of the classroom in October and told:

“You cannot be on campus. You are a trespasser on campus!”

So one day I’m a tenured full Professor with my classes going. The next day I’m criminalized without any due process and told, I can’t come back on campus. And then it came out that the technique was to put aside the collective agreement, the rule book, the policy book, and the university went to the Human Rights Tribunal and said:

“Hall has violated the Human Rights act of Alberta.”

And so this was kind of bizarre, but they didn’t tell anybody. Well, Hall is accused of this by the university itself. All that appears in the paper is:

“Hall is under investigation by the Human Rights Tribunal.”

And anyway, so then suddenly, there I am, trying to gather myself. At the time, I couldn’t really think of anything like it that I really knew about in Canada. I’d read about Professors in the United States and I started to do a lot of research about them.

And of course, this initial statement that Hall, you know, says:

“Kill all jews the Holocaust never happened, but it should have.”

And intertwined, inter intermingled in all of this was the fact that you and I had been in Germany and that I made this film. And they played clips of this film, me saying there should be open debate on the Holocaust.

And so it sort of fit together that somebody who made a film like that might be saying those kind of things. And it was quite expertly woven together, this fiction about my beliefs at the time and everything. I hadn’t, as you know, gone into a lot of study of the Holocaust, ever! You know, I had written some things about the fact that US businesses, British businesses, had funded Hitler and that Auschwitz was actually IG Auschwitz was actually a slave labor camp to produce jet plane fuel and tires. And this new technology, this IG Farben with German technology being applied in a very dirty way, that this was a slave labor camp.

And so I’d written about that, but not about transforming, so the story goes, Auschwitz into a death camp, into an industrialized death camp to produce this astonishing number of victims of the Holocaust, this 6 million number. I mean, I wasn’t really in any position to judge that whole story one way or another.

But nevertheless, I was suddenly a Holocaust denier, an anti-semite and a conspiracy theorist! Those were the three things that those phrases become the weaponized terms. And so eventually we got, in order to have a court case, my faculty association, the collective body of university Professors, you know, at first they were astonished that this was happening.

But then I have to say that that the image of you was kind of exploited in a way.

Like I was reading Tadzio Richards on Alberta Views, which is a Left-wing progressive magazine, a kind of place where I might have looked for some support. And I was looking at an abbreviated version of this article, and it’s almost all about you, Monika.

And so this story where you stand your ground and say:

“Yes, I don’t believe in the Holocaust and yes, I like National Socialists.”

I mean, I wasn’t at the point where I could say that, but you were saying it. And that was said because I’m friendly with you and that somehow this is my opinion too. And that seemed like a very shoddy approach. Do you want to get, …

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I’ll just interject that smear by association, that is a really common theme. It’s something that is used, it’s weaponized against us. Because I have experienced other people being smeared by association too. And even you know, second degree, third degree associations, people being smeared that, I don’t know, I guess they, the psychology of that is interesting.

And I think that those who seek to destroy us as the usual suspects there, they seem to know us better than we know us and they know that that’s something that people are very affected by in general. Like that their general population is very affected by that.

And earlier you said that some of my friends or former friends in Jasper, they just couldn’t fathom that I had become this quote, unquote, “evil person” because of course they’ve been raised and indoctrinated and programed to react in Pavlovian style to this term Holocaust scenario. And Monika, who was formerly, you know, pretty well liked and I was very active and wore many hats in my community in culturally and environmentally and I had, you know, politically as well. And I’d been writing lots of letters to the editor and I had lots of friends and all that and:

“Oh, how could she become so evil overnight?”

So they did blame the that on these men in my life. So that would be my brother Alfred and Tony Hall, [chuckling] like you were alluding to earlier. But yeah, the smear by association.

So about that article that you just alluded to. It was actually, you’re saying it was about you but somehow it ended up that they wrote more about me in it. But you are the bad man because suddenly you’re a Holocaust denier too. Or can you explain that a bit?

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah, they into the story on the edges of things, but it, you know, it was an abbreviated version of the article and I want to say Tadzio Richards, a journalist that has a lot to answer for. That was a real scam, dude! If Tadzio Richards ever comes up and you know, obviously Alberta Views is the answer to Alberta Report. You know, my background is like you is as a sort of liberal Left progressive, you know.

And so it was Owen Holmes, who was the founder of the University of Lethbridge, he wrote to Alberta Views about what was being done to me and the prosecution and persecution of me and lo and behold, surprise, surprise, it came out with yet more smear. But I just want to, I’m sure there’s going to be a break soon. I Just want to clarify that this situation of me at the university trying to cope with my role in the faculty association and where there are votes and there are assemblies and meetings and various executives that I was hoping to bring those people along. They would have a big say over what would happen.

And what did happen, we did get into court. It wasn’t me going into court. It was me in partnership with my faculty association, which had to have the approval of the fellow Professors. And I didn’t. I know a lot of them were having real trouble with the substance of this story and my role in it. Even the little movie, “Why do you believe in open debate on the Holocaust?” And there I was beside you and Alfred, and the three of us were strong on the same page, which in that case we were.

So there’s that phase of this story. But I just want to emphasize the point that now I’m Professor emeritus, but I’m retired. I’m not teaching anymore. They got me out of the classroom. But what you’ve done in standing your ground is of global importance!

And the fact you were put in jail for a year in Germany of this I’m connected to this, and I’m proud of it. And it’s one of the Summit moments of my career and my life really, to have participated in this basic, fundamental issue is, what is this thing the Holocaust? And how come you can’t debate it? And how come you can’t talk about it freely and openly?

Monika Schaefer: That’s a great way to take us into the break and please stay with us. We’ll come back in a few minutes after these messages.

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Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I’m going to bring us back in and we have a lot to talk about still. We’re just getting going on a roll.

I’m just going to recap a few things here, Tony. You had talked about I had lost all my friends in Jasper. Not all of them, by the way. There were some who stayed very loyal to me.

But you know, through all this adventure [chuckling] of discovering that we’ve been lied to and then and then doing some things about it, I gained new friends. And I’m telling you those new friendships I have made are so rich and deep and I never had any regrets. And I and I’m so happy that I did go down this road.

Now I do remember you lumping some terms together. They seem to love to do that. And at the time it was these four terms, 9/11 truther, holocaust denier, anti-semitic and conspiracy theorist! So you were all of those things and that wrapped up your career. Right?

But just before you come back in, I’ll just tell the listeners that there is no live show next week. So RBN is taking a break from doing live broadcasting. But there will always still be broadcasting. But so since there is no live show that means there’s no call-ins.

As far as call-ins today, I’m not sure if we will have time, maybe near the end if somebody had a burning question or comment for the good Professor. And I wanted to also say that on the Chatengo site which I have now, which is this new address, it’s flipsidemo.chatengo.com I did post this epic, epic article that Tony has written recently and it is called “On the Condemnation of Holocaust Denial”. It’s a big essay that it could be a university course.

In fact, in our universities after this terrible system that we are under now where they fire Professors for speaking truth. But when that collapses and we have universities that are real and where you really do have academic freedom, that article you wrote, it should be a university course. And I have posted that on the Chitango site. I will also, as soon as the show is over, post the CODOH video.

And again, that’s, CODOH.com but they asked the simple question, why do you support open debate on the Holocaust? It’s less than four minutes long. You can also find it on my Odysee channel. So just go to Odysee.com and put in my name, Monika Schaefer and then you can look for that video. Why do you support open debate on the Holocaust? Four minutes. Less than four minutes of your life will be taken up by taking a look at that.

One more thing I wanted to tell you, Tony. I talked with Alfred, my brother this morning and he sends you the very warm greetings. He has the utmost highest respect and regards for you.

And so I just wanted to pass that message on to you. So back to you, Tony.

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah, so when you find yourself being referred to as something called a “Holocaust denier”, to me that is the harshest term they can come up with. To be called an “anti-semite” these days? Well, big deal! To be called a conspiracy theorist. Well, if you’re not looking into theories about conspiracy and you’re trying to be a public intellectual, what the hell are you doing? Obviously, people make theories about conspiracies, and it has to do with the exercise of power.

But this “Holocaust denial” phrase, it kind of has a judicial ring about it, a juridical ring about it. Like some judge somewhere has hammered down the gavel and said:

“Guilty of Holocaust denial!”

Like, what does that mean? So as you know, internalize it, and nothing would be more incentive of internalizing it than when you find yourself called that in hundreds of newspapers. And this smear operation to which I was subjected, I want to emphasize, it’s not like just in a few little sites here and there. It becomes a news story around the world and in Israel, throughout the United States, in Europe.

And so that becomes, you know how people who’ve never heard of you, who could care less that you existed and don’t really know what the University of Lethbridge is, let alone Lethbridge itself, and suddenly it’s reported as this major news.

So the demeaning character of such a statement, who I now know to associate with a Professor of Holocaust studies, Deborah Lipstadt, who wrote a book called Denying the Holocaust and kind of formalized and publicized this concept of “Holocaust denier” because it hasn’t been around that long. It’s a kind of new phrase. You know, it sort of leads me to believe it’s an approach saying:

“Hey, goys, you’re not entitled to talk about this! This is like a religious, sanctified thing that only our selected people can talk about, but you are allowed to say, ‘thumbs up’.”

“Yeah, I saw Schindler’s List, and it looks pretty good to me. And I got no problem with that.”

Or if you have any questions about any of the vast array the Holocaust is called, like, as if it’s one thing, but it took place in many countries, what they refer to the Holocaust. It’s a complex series of events. It’s World War II. So people were suffering and being punished in all kinds of ways, including, no doubt, some jews. Germans, of course, would get their Holocaust after World War II, when they were punished in different ways.

But say you want to debate one aspect of it, one or another aspect of it, and this was generally referred to before Deborah Lipstadt as “Holocaust revisionism”. That you want to improve history. History is all about revisionism. You know, history’s never done. You know, it’s improved attitude. People try new theories, interpretations. Other people say:

“No, that’s wrong! This is right.”

This is how history evolves. And as the state of the world unfolds, you need to sort of reorganize history a bit to pull out of it from history what you need.

Monika Schaefer: I’ll just interject, if I may, Tony. So I’ve taken to using the word “Correctionism”, because we know that we’re being lied to on a whole lot of things. And I mean, I have looked into this Holocaust narrative quite a lot, and no evidence for their story!

And that’s why they criminalize people, that they have to use force because they don’t actually have evidence. Because if they had evidence, they would just show us the evidence. But since they don’t have evidence, they can’t use facts and arguments because they don’t have any.

But anyway, I like to use the word “Correctionism” because revisionism, when I first heard that term, I didn’t like it because I thought:

“Well, wait a minute, they’re the ones who actually changed history.”

Like something either happened or it didn’t. Something either happened or it didn’t.

And so that word to me, I mean, I’ve had people explain it to me and justify the word “revisionism”. It’s just revising what you know, based on let’s say you find new evidence for this or that or the other thing. And I know that’s what you are saying, that if when you find other evidence that you hadn’t seen before, well then you have to revise your interpretation of what actually happened. So I know that is what you are saying, but I just wanted to interject that it has always kind of bothered me.

So now I’ve got this other word, correctionism in my lexicon. And about that term, like you were saying being called a Holocaust denier, it’s like it’s a bomb! It is a weapon, and these labels are weapons and all those other labels are weapons.

Pro Tony Hall: So you can go to jail for it. And you did go to jail for it!

And so you are a testimony, an embodiment of the punishments attached to this thing called “Holocaust denial” and all the ways it’s expressed in other forms and terms in the legal firmament. So ironically, there is a revisionism in Zionist history. Jabotinsky and the people who created Likud, which Netanyahu is in this very Right-wing extreme version of wanting an expanded Israel, a Greater Israel. They call it Zionist revisionism.

Anyway, this is just the starting point into a huge question. And so I’ve written this this year, and it sort of was like a just a gusher coming out of me because I’ve been thinking about this term Holocaust denial and what it can do to you and how it’s being manipulated and how it’s being transformed into a crime, a literal crime for which you can go to jail. What else is what other ideas or what other ethnic groups have this kind of power?

And so it obviously, this power to define a Holocaust denier is an expression of a power that is gross! Which is being manipulated, which is out of hand, which is disproportionate.

So this article I just went through looking at it from many, many Angles. One thing that was very interesting to me was to look at the literature of jewish communists who see themselves as you know, critics of this word that we could debate. But fascism, World War II had this image of communism versus fascism, although Adolf Hitler himself saw himself as a socialist.

Monika Schaefer: National Socialist.

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah, National Socialist. But I found in Tony Greenstein’s new book about zionism during the Holocaust, during World War II, and that’s based on largely Lenny Brenner, another jewish communists who were. Both of them went into a great amount of detail about the Transfer Agreement.

The fact that the Zionists of Germany and the National Socialist government, with Adolf Eichmann as kind of the chief minister responsible for jewish affairs, they got along very well. And they, very quickly after Hitler came to power, negotiated an agreement that tens of thousands of jews from Germany and later beyond Germany would be helped to emigrate to Palestine, which was then under the British mandate of the League of Nations.

And in fact, there was a very thriving group of German jews in Palestine who could not only emigrate there, but they could get at their money and they could use their money to establish farms and such. And I think, actually begin to import products into the Middle East. And there became a market for those products. And it became a very big part in the Genesis of Israel, in the Zionist Genesis. You know, they hadn’t yet, before World War II, achieved creating a jewish state, but they did have the Balfour Declaration from the British saying that Palestine was to be a jewish homeland.

And so there was this very concerted movement involving some jews to create Israel as a country. This was their objective. So these jewish Communists wrote about how the Zionists of Germany and the National Socialists got together and then how these Zionists kind of manipulated Hitler into the position. And like Greenstein says they wanted jews to stay in position. If a jew wanted to go to the United States or emigrate, they didn’t want that. The only legitimate thing was to migrate to Palestine.

And then he sort of implies that they also wanted to keep a certain amount of jews on hand to be killed in what they now call the Holocaust. Incidentally, Yad Vashem had a Holocaust museum being planned in 1942. Yad Vashem is the main Holocaust museum in Israel and is kind of a center where the official story of the Holocaust is ratified. So imagine that already in 1942 they’re planning Holocaust museums!

Monika Schaefer: Kind of reminds me about the fact that the 6 million narrative was tossed around many, many, many times well before World War II, like World War I. And I mean, I’ve seen images of the articles and videos have been made about this, that:

“The 6 million lost souls or 6 million jews are under threat, or 6 million, you know, jews are being persecuted.”

That was tossed around a long, long time ago already and I think they even used, possibly they even used the word Holocaust in some of those articles.

But with this so-called Holocaust, they didn’t actually come out with that word until I think in the 60s. Like if people are saying that if they looked into an encyclopedia in the 50s, they would not find that word “Holocaust” with relation to World War II. Maybe you know something about that, Tony.

But yeah, that 6 million number was tossed around long before. And what an interesting fact that you just brought out about Yad Vashem Museum with their Holocaust Museum in 1942, already.

Pro Tony Hall: Yes. So this, I’m getting this out of the book of Tony Greenstein. And of course he’s a darling in the progressive media and especially Mondo Weiss and Electronic Intifada, which get big audience, but they wouldn’t touch “The Holocaust” with the ten foot pole.

But taking the critique developed by Tony Greenstein of zionism during World War II, it’s pretty significant. It overturns a lot of preconceptions and stereotypes that just don’t apply. And there was this boycott of Germany, which I think was conducted in a way to put pressure on Hitler to sit down and negotiate with the Zionists of Germany.

Monika Schaefer: Are you talking about, … Sorry, I’ll just interject. You’re talking about 1933, within a few weeks of Adolf Hitler coming to power, that “Judea Declares War on Germany”?

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah. That famous newspaper headline. But Hitler hadn’t even been voted into power. He would soon get a majority vote where he was made sort of worthy of the title that Hindenburg already had given him, which is Chancellor.

So he had become the Chancellor. Anyway, just like the snap of a finger this Untermyer and other Zionists in New York organized this boycott. But it seems the boycott is to pressure Germany. It’s very sort of interesting how Zionists can manipulate situations and play both sides and whatnot. So that’s how I’m interpreting it.

So in any case, then there is the story of the Toronto trials. And the Toronto trials in 1985 and 1988 were the big moment for Ernst Zundel to take the stage. He was charged with a crime of “spreading false news”. And his response was to say:

“Yay! There’s going to be a platform!”

And, boy, did he ever make a platform. He brought in Robert Faurisson, who is an amazing analyst of all of this and really has the gas chamber story and the frauds involved in the gas chamber story down cold.

So then there was David Irving. He managed to pull in David Irving, who was sort of new to the subject of what was going on. But there were this exhaust system in the gas chamber in the reconstructed, what we’re told is the gas chamber that couldn’t have been there. And I saw he and David Cole doing a tour of Auschwitz. And the exhaust from the gas chamber was right outside the kitchen of the SS! And how practical would that be for scientific engineer Germans to construct it that way?

So the Toronto trials were sort of triumph where the chief historian [Raul Hilberg] of the Holocaust, you would remember his name. And these eyewitnesses were sort of humiliated on the stand. There was Doug Christie, the lawyer. And Faurisson gave him the backing, helping him out, gave him the information how to do stunning cross examinations of these people and demonstrate that these foremost authorities on the Holocaust couldn’t come up with evidence and eyewitnesses were proven to be wrong. And ever since then, there have been no eyewitnesses!

Monika Schaefer: I’ll just say Ernst Zundel amassed an amazing team now, the “Exterminationists”, so those who made the charges against Ernst Zundel, they thought that:

“Oh, they’ll be done within a few days, this will be over. They’ll just wipe their feet on him!”

And they actually afterwards conceded:

“Oh, my goodness, that was a bit of a victory for the revisionist side.”

And they got smeared.

And we only have about probably half a minute left, Tony.

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah, give me that half minute, if you would.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, you go ahead.

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah.

So this then results in Deborah Lipstadt entering the picture. And Deborah Lipstadt is a Professor of Holocaust studies, whatever that’s supposed to mean. If she was a real professor, she would have invited Ernst Zundel to speak in her class. But no, instead she writes this book, Denying the Holocaust.

Monika Schaefer: Which Germar Rudolf refuted.very word of it!

Pro Tony Hall: It’s very popular to refute her. And she is a real disgrace and shame to the academy. That woman is not of a high caliber to be teaching in a university. And so out of that came this Holocaust denial term. David Irving was smeared and there was this big trial resulting in the movie “The Denial”.

Monika Schaefer: We’re gonna have to have you back, Tony, I can see. Just a final word, I guess, like Happy Yule. Merry Christmas. Happy Solstice.

Pro Tony Hall: Well, Merry Christmas to you, Monika, and to your family.

Monika Schaefer: Okay. Thank you, Tony.

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah.

Monika Schaefer: All right. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you, Mr. Producer. Thank you, dear listeners. And we’ll see you in the new year.

All right, everybody, thank you very much. Bye bye.

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The Flipside with Monika – Ep 20 with Kathleen Dudley – Nov 16, 2024 – Transcript

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Monika Schaefer

The Flipside with Monika

Ep 20 with Kathleen Dudley

Sat, Nov 16, 2024

[In this weekly podcast episode The Flipside with Monika on Republic Broadcasting Network, Canadian nationalist and author, Monika Schaefer talks with Kathleen Dudley.

Key points include:

The host Monica Schaeffer introduces her guest Kathleen Dudley, a Canadian-born American citizen living in New Mexico (0:00-2:00)

Kathleen is described as “a poet, a singer, a healer, musician… a writer” with many talents (30:00)

They discuss the misuse of the term “fascist” as a weaponized label (3:00-5:00)

Kathleen explains fascism means “nationalizing” and “control of a nation by its nationals” (7:00-8:00)

Adrian Arcand, a Canadian fascist politician, is discussed as explaining fascism clearly (9:00-11:00)

Fascism is described as affirming tradition, high culture, God, family, and free enterprise (12:00-14:00)

Communism is portrayed as the opposite of fascism, denying God, freedom, and private property (14:00-15:00)

“Fascism is basically nationalism” and is demonized by those opposed to ethnic loyalty (16:00-17:00)

Adrian Arcand spent 6 years in a Canadian concentration camp during WWII (20:00-21:00)

Ezra Pound is mentioned as an American poet who supported fascism in Italy (23:00-24:00)

Kathleen suggests embracing the term “fascist” positively: “Thank you, I’m a fascist” (32:00-33:00)

They discuss how weaponized language is used to manipulate people’s emotions (34:00-36:00)

Kathleen has been deeply reading Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s works, especially “The Gulag Archipelago” (40:00-45:00)

Solzhenitsyn’s experiences in Soviet gulags and his method of memorizing his writings are described (45:00-47:00)

“One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich” is mentioned as Solzhenitsyn’s first published work (48:00-49:00)

The publication of “The Gulag Archipelago” led to Solzhenitsyn’s exile from the Soviet Union (50:00-51:00)

Solzhenitsyn’s Harvard speech warning of “communist aggression and the weakening of the moral fiber of the West” is recommended (52:00-53:00)

Kathleen received Solzhenitsyn’s book “200 Years Together” about “the Jewish problem in Russia” (55:00-56:00)

A caller mentions a 1944 letter about distracting public attention from “the doings of The Red Army” (57:00-58:00)

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[00:34]

Monika Schaefer: All right, greetings. Hello everyone. Good day. Good afternoon wherever you are. Today is November 16th, 2024. You are listening to the Republic Broadcasting Network at RepublicBroadcasting.org. This is episode 20 of The Flipside with Monika. I am your host, Monika Schaefer.

And today I am absolutely delighted to have a guest who is a very good friend of mine, Kathleen Dudley. She was born and raised not too far from where I grew up near Edmonton, Alberta, in a small town just north of there, but now is residing in the United States, in New Mexico, in fact, and has been, I think you became an American citizen quite a few years ago.

Before I bring Kathleen on, I’ll just remind the listener that this is listener supported. So if you possibly can support the Republic Broadcasting Network, go to the website@republicbroadcasting.org and you will find the donate button there. And there are different ways of donating, either directly or by supporting the sponsors.

And I always encourage people also to share these shows, tell other people about the Republic Broadcasting Network. There are many good shows on this network and you’re not going to hear this kind of stuff on the mainstream media or what some people call the “Mockingbird Media”. Okay.

And I will also tell people about the chat room. It’s at the flipside w.monica.chatango.com and you can share things there. And I share things there from time to time. And yeah. So I wanted to tell you about that.

Okay. So Kathleen, are you there? Can you hear me?

Kathleen Dudley: I can. And thank you very much, Monika. I’ve been looking forward to this and what a surprise and a privilege and a joy.

Monika Schaefer: Thank you. Well, I’ve been looking forward to this for quite some time. This has been sometime in the making, I think we could see. I’ll just tell the listener a little bit about how we first met. You interviewed me. You were producing some content. You had a YouTube channel and I think you still do, although probably a lot of the videos that were a little bit more in the forbidden territory. You have, I think, an Odysee channel or maybe you can tell us about that in a moment. But where you have most of your content. And you were interviewing me. That’s how we first met.

And then you ended up in your own big battle. It had nothing to do with World War II history, like my big court epic, you know, battles. [chuckling] But I found it quite amusing, to tell you the truth! It was rather amusing. That doesn’t matter what somebody’s trials and tribulations are about somehow there seems to always be a jew in the mix that brings in the Holocaust into it! [chuckling]

And the background to that is that I attended your trial, but it was virtual trial. Everybody was on Zoom and there were a bunch of people visible on the screen. And at some point, one of these people on the other side of things was pointing out to the judge:

“Oh, there’s somebody there on, in the witness in the room here, like on the Zoom screen. Do you know who that is?”

And I can’t remember exactly how they put it, but it was really quite comical, if you ask me, that somehow they managed to bring the Holocaust into it because they were pointing at me, my presence there and that I am, you know, quote, unquote, “a Holocaust denier”.

So this was supposed to smear you by association, which., … Well, there you go. Even though your trial had nothing to do with the Holocaust or World War II history, it was about other things.

But that’s not what we’re here to talk about today. Unless you wanted to share, you know, any background about that, Kathleen, because I know that in your process of going through the court system, you learned a lot! Do you want to talk touch on that at all?

Kathleen Dudley: Well, not unless it comes in indirectly in the rest of what we’re talking about. I think I’d rather stick to our plan, thank you.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, well, that’s the thing, our plan. Actually, Kathleen had approached me a few weeks ago and said:

“Well, I’m really looking forward to when you have a guest on that’s going to explain somebody who’s really an expert on fascism. Who can tell us what is fascism, what is that?”

And here we are today and it’s you and me talking about this subject of fascism because we, we’ve talked about this a little bit and you know, this term “fascist” is a term that is thrown around, bandied about willy nilly, constantly, all the time. And I would guess that 99% of the people who use that term just willy nilly to basically, if somebody’s bad:

“Oh, they’re a fascist!”

Or if some government or politician:

“Oh, that’s a fascist!”

You know. [chuckling] And I don’t think they have a clue what is fascism. So we both kind of dug into that a little bit, although I think you did more than I did.

So that’s what we want to unravel today a little bit. What is that? I mean, is fascism, does that deserve to be used as such a weaponized label that just means something really bad and what do people actually mean by it when they call somebody a fascist? I really think they have no clue. What do you think, Kathleen?

[07:19]

Kathleen Dudley: Well, I tend to agree with you. I think words are weaponized, as we know, and they’re the grimoire, the book of magic spells and incantations. And we’ve seen that you use the word “Trump”, and all of a sudden someone goes ballistic, or you use the word “Nazi” and someone goes ballistic.

But more than that, a picture, an image is created in their mind, and it evokes emotions and there’s no thought. It bypasses the reason. It bypasses the brain. It bypasses the capacity to be logical.

And that’s how words have been used. And they’ve been used that way for hundreds and hundreds of years. And fascism is one of those.

And so when I first talked with you about this, Monika, I said there’s two words, Nazi and fascist. And I said:

“Both of those need to be really torn apart and explained.”

And fascism has been on my radar. And between the two of us, I now have a sense that I understand “fascism”. And I’d like for other people to understand it so that they don’t get caught into that incantation, that spell, that grimoire of the word. Because how we use language expresses our clarity and our understanding of life. And if we aren’t clear with the use of our language, then we’re not clear in the direction in which we walk in life.

So to me, it’s critical. What’s your thought on that?

Monika Schaefer: Absolutely! Before I got a little bit of a deeper understanding of what is fascism, Because I’m still certainly no expert on it, but I do know a little bit more now than I did even just a short while ago. I still had the feeling, though, that people were using it wrongly and that it was just another one of these demonized words like Nazi. A demonized, you know, weaponized word. What does it actually mean?

And so I would say to people, when they use that word, or even people who are in our community of truth tellers and people who seem to know that were being lied to about this and that, but they would still use that word. So to those people, I would say:

“Look, I think that that word has been wrongly vilified and used, even though I myself did not yet know really what it was, but I still had the sense that they shouldn’t be just calling somebody a fascist if in the sense that, oh, that’s bad. You know, they’re bad.”

And so, yeah, it, we do need to stop people in their tracks when they’re using it, when we know that they should know better.

So that’s our mission today, to bring that out a little bit. Why don’t you talk a little bit about. Oh, well, in our, in our discussions we were talking about Ernst Zundel and then who was Ernst Zundel’s mentor? Adrian Arcand. And that’s the man who really helped Ernst Zundel wake up! And in his own words, he felt “born again”, born again to the truth! Adrian Arcand, he is a Canadian, was a Canadian man. He’s no longer alive. That was a while back. And he did, I think it was like a 10 minute talk that we both really liked because he explains fascism. Do you want to tell us a little bit about that?

Kathleen Dudley: Sure. Adrian Arcand was born in 1899 and he died in 1967. He was a politician and a writer and a journalist.

And the interesting thing is, of course, when you look at the jew Wikipedia, you know, he was a “fascist” politician. You know, it’s like name calling. It’s juvenile use of words, because it’s not meant in a descriptive way, it’s meant in a demonizing way.

So when he was interviewed, and I love this interview because it made it very, very clear.

And if you do a deep dive and you go on Wikipedia and you go on to the online dictionaries, the story of what fascism is so convoluted. What he says is:

“Fascism means nationalizing.”

He said it is:

“It’s the control of a nation by its nationals.”

And then you go:

“Oh, what’s a national?”

“So it’s having or expressing strong identification with one’s own nation and vigorous support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.”

So, for example, as a German born woman, while you’re a Canadian born, but you’re of German ancestry, you might have very strong nationalistic identification for Germany and its culture as it was. Would that be correct?

Monika Schaefer: Yes. Basically fascism is nationalism.

And it’s important to distinguish the word nationalism from patriotism, because nationalism means nationhood. And nationhood means your ethnic racial group. This is what you are loyal to this is who you want your country to be, geared towards the benefit of your people, basically.

And so now that really would explain why in our mainstream, you know, weaponized lingo that’s been foisted upon us, that word has been turned into a weaponized label that is just so demonized! Because, I mean, who is it that owns the banks and owns the media? It is jewish. You know, it’s organized jewry. It’s jews who don’t like fascism precisely because it is basically an opposite of their agenda. It’s people working in their nations for their nation. And if your leaders are fascist, that’s a good thing. They are working for our interests in our nation and our nationhood. Back to you, Kathleen.

[14:26]

Kathleen Dudley: Okay.

And so what’s most interesting, too, if we look at what is happening today, to identify as a White woman, to identify with my ancestral origins, is considered very negative. That I could be considered a criminal in one way or another. It’s leading in those directions.

[See: What World-Famous Men Said About the Jews]

Now, one of the things that Adrian Arcand said was that the First World War was a revolt against the high culture and civilization of Germany. And it was to implant communism in Russia. And so that was what the First World War was about. And it was the most strategic place in the world because it was touching Europe, the Near East and Asia.

And then the Second World War, it widened the scope of communism, it spread it, and it smashed down the empires of the Western world. Now high culture is what has been targeted by the Bolsheviks, the jews, both in Russia in the Bolshevik Revolution and World War I and World War II in Germany. And we see today the Christian ethics being absolutely trounced upon.

So one of the things that Adrian Arkan looked at was what was happening right at the time he was in Canada and doing his work as a journalist. Rene Levesque was powerful at that point in time as well. And I remember, as you mentioned, I grew up in Canada. I remember his party. He was hard Left. And he described that he himself was far-Right. And he said, and this is defining fascism in a broader sense. And he’s saying:

“The Right affirms the sum total of tradition, which is made of high culture. And high culture consists of music and the arts and literature and science and mathematics. And it’s about revering these cultural classics.”

And he said:

“It’s also about the existence of God, the existence of a human soul and the dignity of man and freedom, private property and the sacred rights of family, also of free enterprise, the free activity of free men and free markets.”

On the opposite spectrum of socialism, where Rene Levesque was postulating and socialism was defined by the Soviets, it denies God, it denies the human soul, it denies freedom, the dignity of man, it denies the sacred rights of family. It denies free enterprise. It denies private property and private initiative.

So if you take a look at everything on the Left having to do with socialism, which in essence was the precursor to communism, which is Marxism, it’s all negative. And there was no substitution, there was no alternative.

Whereas on the Right, it’s about family, it’s about high culture, it’s about valuing individuality.

And so all we have to do is take a look at, here’s this man who’s been claimed and called a fascist, and he acknowledges that he is, but his values are the values that are of very high morals and ethics. And I would be proud to walk beside and be a part of his legacy, which I feel like I am. And I’m proud to know that fascism, in fact, is a very positive and important word that embodies Christian ethics.

So if you take a look at who’s throwing the daggers at the fascists, it’s the communists! It’s the Marxists! They’re the ones.

And as I was doing my reading and looking at definitions and articles on fascism, the editors or the authors of those articles were, in one case, a Sephardic jew. And who is building Wikipedia on our computers?

So here we have a very clear explanation, in my opinion, of the difference between fascism and communism.

Monika Schaefer: Basically, they’re polar opposites. So fascism, …

Kathleen Dudley: Exactly!

Monika Schaefer: It just sounds to me like fascism is the opposite of communism! And when you say you would be honored to walk beside this man, you’re talking about Adrian Arcand, are you?

Kathleen Dudley: Yes!

Monika Schaefer: And let me just mention that Adrian Arcand spent six years in a concentration camp.

Now, when I heard that, I thought:

“Oh, I just assumed in Europe.”

Like, somehow I didn’t know why. I didn’t know that much about him. I didn’t know why in Europe, but I just thought, well, that’s where these concentration camps were that we all have heard about so much. But, no, he was in a concentration camp in Canada for six years during the war.

Now, the war didn’t last six years, so did he go into the concentration camp? Was he pulled in? You know, was he arrested and thrown in there before the war?

Kathleen Dudley: Yes.

Monika Schaefer: Or did they just keep him? Is that correct?

Kathleen Dudley: I think it was 1940.

Monika Schaefer: Oh. So after the war began. But then they held him in there for six years in a Canadian concentration camp. That blew my mind! I didn’t even know that that existed. Although we’ve all heard about the camps for the Japanese and that. But here was this French-Canadian guy from Quebec, right?

So, yeah, but he was a fascist, which is the polar opposite of communism, and communism is what the Bolsheviks were. And we know that that was overwhelmingly a jewish operation. And even the jews say it themselves basically that:

“Judaism is communism and communism is Judaism.”

So that’s one and the same thing. So we could just call it what it is.

Kathleen Dudley: Right. And so here we do have this name calling, and yet it is actually a compliment if you believe in God, if you believe in the sacredness of family, if you believe in individuality, if you believe in free market enterprise, if you believe in the right to own property.

So why would someone be hurling the word “fascist” against someone with spit and venom, when in fact it’s really an accolade? It’s such a positive characteristic!

And if you look too this has been going on for so long, and fascism originated from my reading in Italy. And Ezra Pound, who most people will know and will be very familiar with his Cantos and his famous poem on usury, Usura. He was an American poet and he had many protege. He had T.S. Eliot and Ernest Hemingway. And my mind goes blank on the others, but there were four Pulitzer Prize winners, and he was never awarded that Pulitzer Prize himself.

But he went to Italy, and during the wars, he was doing broadcasting, exposing the communist spread that was taking place in the Soviet Union as a result of the Bolshevik Revolution that hit in October 1917. And after the war, he was imprisoned by the US military and was kept in an iron cage. And then he was declared insane and put in St. Elizabeth’s Hospital in Washington, D.C. Where he wrote his most famous work, the Cantos. And finally he was released through the help of his friends. One was Ernest Hemingway. But we see how demonized, how threatening words are.

And so if you can take a word and twist it, turn it upside down, flip it, the flipside, right? And if people don’t do the deep dive and really look at, well, what does that word mean, then they become under the spell, that grimoire.

And so it’s our responsibility to pull apart everything that is being used against us so that we can shine light on it and walk proudly, knowing that with fascist beliefs, we are honorable people with integrity.

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Monika Schaefer: Well said, Kathleen. That is so well said!

In fact, from now on, when somebody throws that word around, going to say:

“Thank you, I’m a fascist. That’s a wonderful thing to be!”

And then if it’s people who are throwing that word around unknowingly or ignorant of the meaning of it. Because like I said earlier, even people who understand the truth about the “Covidocaust” or about the “Holocaust”, they understand they’re kind of most of the way there in terms of waking up to many of the lies around us.

I mean, I suppose we’re always learning more and more, but they will still bandy about that word. And to them, that would be very effective, especially to them, because it will stop them in their tracks:

“Say what? What do you mean?”

And then it gives us the opportunity to explain this word in the shortest form, you say:

“Well, it’s the opposite of communism.”

And then we can expand on that and wow, that was a wonderful explanation. Yeah, really good!

And I just want to say before the bottom of the hour, and I should have done this at the top of the hour when we began, but I really was just coming off of the previous hour with Frederick C. Blackburn on his Saturday Snack Shack.

And I encourage listeners, if you don’t already tune into his show, you really should because it’s just such a great show and you can always find it in the archives.

So I was a little bit, not completely my brain was still sort of wired on that. But I just wanted to say, Kathleen, a little bit of background on my friend Kathleen. She’s a poet, a singer, a healer, musician with, I think, several instruments, a writer. And you have many talents and skills that I think you should name a few more because I think I only just touched on those things. But the healing really intrigues me. You have a lot of knowledge on healing ourselves, and that is a very, very wonderful and important skill to have. And maybe you can share with people where they can find you if they are seeking healing help, for instance, because I know that you do this as your work.

Kathleen Dudley: Well, thank you, Monika. Yes, I’m a reflexologist. I’ve also studied homeopathy and a lot of herbs and nutrition. And I have a website, it’s katdudley, KATDUDLEY dot com, and you can find me there.

And I’m also a builder of steps and, …

Monika Schaefer: Construction, we’re talking about?

Kathleen Dudley: Yes. And carports. And I love to build as well, so I have a strong intellectual draw, but I love the physical as well. I’m spreading large rock at the moment and rebuilding rock walls, so it helps keep me spry. [chuckling]

Monika Schaefer: That’s wonderful! [chuckling] Yeah. It actually just was so much fun for me to see the things you are building. And I’m thinking:

“Wow, that’s really very nice that you just take this on, you learn how to do it and you obviously must have acquired a few tools and just go at it!”

That’s great!

Kathleen Dudley: Thank you. Before we go to the break, I wanted to mention one thing that Adrian Arcand said in his, in that interview. He said:

“He said there is no anti-semitism. It never existed! He said it is a natural reaction against an assault of anti-gentilism which is non-jewish.”

He said:

“It’s a jewish conspiracy because I read it from jewish authors!”

Monika Schaefer: That’s great! [chuckling] That’s beautiful, Kathleen. Okay, hold on everybody. And we’ll be back in a few minutes.

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Monika Schaefer: All right, I’d like to welcome you all back to The Flipside with Monika. And I would like to first of all, give out the numbers. We invite people to call in the second half of the hour.

So the number you can call in is 512-248-8252. That’s 512-248-8252 or 1-800-313-9443. We invite you to join our conversation with Kathleen Dudley and myself. And I’d also like to remind you that if you have the means, if you can possibly support this network because it is listener supported and some older equipment, I know that they’re looking to replace some of their older equipment.

But anyway, during the break, Kathleen and I were kind of laughing about the fact that she had asked me to have a guest that would explain these words, “fascism” and some of these other words.

And I said to her, well, careful what you wish for, [chuckling] because here she is and she’s doing a marvelous job of explaining the fascism and fascist, the whole concept of that.

So, okay, Kathleen, why don’t we carry on with that discussion? And we had mentioned that there are some other words as well that we could go into that perhaps people don’t have really the best understanding of well, one word that came to mind right at the beginning that you mentioned already was “Nazi” and we know there’s a history of that. It was actually a jew who put that word into the lexicon to denigrate the National Socialists. Do you want to talk about that a little bit?

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Kathleen Dudley: Well, I haven’t done the deep dive on that.

Monika Schaefer: Okay.

Kathleen Dudley: But one of the things that I found very interesting from Adrian Arcand was that he said that the term “fascism”, when it arose in the 1920s in Italy, the word “Nazism” arose in Germany, but that that had to do with Nazi-lism Nazi-nationalism, and that it was really about nationalistic perspectives expressing strong identification with one’s own nation and vigorous support for its interest. So I was quite surprised by that.

And then also in Spain, there was another term using their Spanish language, which I don’t recall. So that’s really all I can contribute at this moment.

Monika Schaefer: Okay. No, but that’s even just that about the Nazi-lism with the “l” in there. So nationalism. And that is that word that the Bolsheviks, the jews, they don’t like that concept of nationalism. And that would be like fascism. That would be so that’s why those words are so demonized! And anybody that does anything bad these days is called a Nazi, or a fascist. That’s why those terms are so demonized!

But you know that this is something that I am very, very interested in and have talked quite a lot about. My brother Alfred talks about it a lot, is our language and how our language has been so turned against us to compartmentalize our brains, to stop us from thinking straight, to frighten people, to make people think:

“Oh, we can’t talk about that. And we can’t talk about this!”

And make people scared to say anything anymore. And that’s all it is, really.

And so if we can take these words, first of all, to clarify in our heads that they are just weaponized words, and in most cases, they actually have been turned upside down to mean the opposite. Like you illustrated so well with the word fascist.

And then, you know, run with it. When somebody calls you something bad like this, say:

“Thank you. Thank you for noticing!”

It’s surprising how quickly it takes the wind out of their sails. You know, if somebody says:

“Oh, you’re an anti-semite!”

“Oh, thank you. Thank you for noticing. Yeah, you should be too!”

Something like that. [chuckling] Right? So it’s what we do with these epithets thrown at us that we can kind of change the discourse. What do you think about that?

Kathleen Dudley: Well, and people don’t even know that Semites are Arabs.

And so when you say you’re anti-semitic, you’re against the Arabs, well, that doesn’t even make sense because we’re talking about the jews and we’re talking about the Sephardic jews, and we’re talking about the Khazarian jews. We’re talking about. We’re not even talking about the biblical jews because the Hebrews, the descendants of that is so minuscule today.

And so the jews that have evolved to today have moved into countries, have moved into religions, have moved into businesses. They’ve basically taken on the sheep’s clothing that the wolf is wearing. And it’s been done slyly, very cleverly. And so everything has been done with duplicity. And that’s what we’re finding as we unbury the garbled of these words, the grimoire, the confusion.

And so once we find the truth in all of that, then we can shine the light on it. And that is what the rats in the center of the room don’t want. They’ll scurry to the edges.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, they will.

Now, Kathleen, there is something else that you have been doing over the last few months. I think you’ve been doing a lot of reading, and once you started, you just couldn’t get enough. Why don’t you tell us a little bit. What got you started in this direction? I won’t mention. I’ll let you talk about what have you been getting into so deeply reading, reading, reading lately? Tell us, please.

Kathleen Dudley: Okay. Well, I’ve always been a reader, but in January of 2023, I did a deep dive on 19th century and, 20th century writers, which introduced me to Ezra Pound and all of his contemporaries, T.S. Eliot, Robert Frost. And then there were quotes by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn in that. And I was in the courts at that time.

And so there was tremendous angst and tremendous pressure and assault. And I needed a place to be able to go for truth and for some sense of a spiritual lift. And I was talking to a friend and he had been reading The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

And I thought:

“Okay, it’s time for me to read him.”

I remember when he was exiled from the Soviet Union, and it’s time, it’s just time. And there are three volumes of the Gulag Archipelago, and I started diving into them.

Now, at that time, I was being threatened with imprisonment. And so I was trying to figure out how this arrest was going to go. And curiously, the first chapter in the first volume of The Gulag Archipelago is called The Arrest. And it was as many a hundred different ways to skin a cat. You know, they came at night. It was always secretively done. Innocent people were taken and they were shipped off to Gulags, they were shipped off to prisons in Siberia. They were separated from family, and the rest of the citizens didn’t know or at various times, and they were threatened and they kept silent. And this went on and on. It went on as a result of the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917. And now Solzhenitsyn was born in 1918, so it was even a year after the revolution. But he was raised in this communist milieu.

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Now, his mother was of the Christian Orthodox faith, and his father had been killed when he was in the army. And so he was raised by his mother, and his mother wanted to raise him with Christian values. So he was taught the Russian Orthodox Christianity.

But he became a communist because that was just the way he was programed, along with all of his peers. And he was a writer just by nature, and wanted to be a writer. He knew he wanted to be a writer from the time he was about was very young, but I think about seven years old. He was in the army and he was corresponding with one of his compatriots, and his letter was intercepted and he was thrown into the Gulag under Stalin for speaking against Stalin’s concepts. And he was there for eight years, and then later he was exiled for three years.

And what he did during that time was he observed and he wrote. He was a real man of spiritual life, and he loved humanity, he loved the people, and he loved the Russian people.

And so he managed to develop his memory to such a degree that he memorized everything he wrote, and he memorized everything that other people told him, including writers, verbatim. He could quote them. And he had to store all this in his mind. And he did that whole time, the eight years that he was imprisoned.

And he was one of the very first to expose all of the atrocities of the Soviet Union’s repressive system and that they had been secretly perpetrating against their people. It was upwards of 100 million Christian Russians were murdered under Lenin and Stalin and even Khrushchev, even though that was considered the thaw. But he was then also removed because he was lessening his rule too much.

So Solzhenitsyn wrote these amazing books, his first one that they allowed to be published, because under Communist rule, under these repressive rulings, the censorship doesn’t want anything to move out into another country so that anyone can know what the atrocities are, what is going on. But because Khrushchev did this thaw, he allowed the book called One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich in 1962. And it was the first time a household could sit around the table and read about what had been going on to their people and how they’d been sent to the prisons and how they’ve been tortured and how they’ve been murdered, had they been pulled out of society and destroyed.

And this was it was allowed because Khrushchev thought that this was something that Solzhenitsyn was writing about, about Stalin and Lenin and didn’t realize that it also was being written about him. And it was also under Khrushchev that he was exonerated for his crimes, that he didn’t commit any crimes, but he was still exonerated.

And then he was writing the book called The Gulag Archipelago. And that book was a real deep dive. It’s the one that I read the three volumes of all of the tortures and all of the horrors of the Russian people.

And he had to pass it around on pieces of paper and on transcripts because he was constantly being followed. And it couldn’t get into the authorities hands or he would have been killed. But it did slip into the authorities hands through the secretary. And she was tortured and she ultimately committed suicide because she felt so responsible for the fact that she was the one that allowed the authorities to get this document.

And so he managed to get it out of the Soviet Union to the West. And it was published, and that was in 1973. And as a result of that publication, he was exiled from the Soviet Union.

And ultimately he moved to the United States in 1976, where he wrote the Red Wheel, which was the Russian Revolution of 1917 and dramatized. But this man is one of the most famous and most important Russian writers of modern time. And just his courage to be able to take the words and to honor the lives of all these people who were destroyed in the Gulags and under Stalin’s bloodbath.

And finally, when the Soviet Union collapsed, his wife and he regained their citizenship and in 1990, went back to Moscow, and he lived to quite an old age of 89. His wife is still alive. They have three sons. One of them, Ignat Solzhenitsyn, is a musician and a conductor who lives in the United States.

The other two are in the Soviet Union. But he’s known very famously for his Harvard speech. And I would highly recommend everyone going on YouTube and listening to it, because he’s warning about the dangers of the communist aggression and the weakening of the moral fiber of the West. And he says the materialism is really what has destroyed us in the West.

And I think if we do some reflecting, we can see how that is possible. And it is astonishing! He lived a tremendous life, and I am so grateful to him.

Monika Schaefer: That’s for sure. You know, interestingly enough, my brother Alfred, he was able to get these books from the prison library, The Gulag Archipelago, and he read them in prison. I was quite surprised by that they were available for him to read there. Wow! That’s such an interesting story. But I’m so surprised that when he had these books published, he was exiled for it. I’m kind of surprised they didn’t just, … Well, I suppose it would have put more attention on the books if they had just killed him. Right. Maybe they didn’t want to do that, but they didn’t want to, …

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Kathleen Dudley: He was certainly concerned that his family and he were going to be killed. So the fact that they didn’t kill him and they exiled him is probably correct, that it would have brought too much attention because the books had already been published.

Monika Schaefer: Right. He would have been a Martyr. It would have Martyred him, and then even more people would have read the books.

Kathleen Dudley: Yes. Yes!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. This way they just kind of put him out of the way and hope that it just nobody is much interested in them. I do have the books, and I haven’t read them yet, but you are causing me to want to read them soon. This is always my trouble. I have so many books that I want to read and to find enough time to do so.

But now he also wrote a book, Two Hundred Years Together. Do you know anything about that? Has it been translated into English yet?

Kathleen Dudley: Actually, I just received it in the mail today. And it’s the history, quote, “of the jewish problem in Russia”. And he is writing about what happened prior to the Revolution, the October 1917 Revolution, and what it was like living in Russia with the jews. Because under the czars, you know, up until Nicholas the First, they were excluded from society, and they were very limited. And when Nicholas the First allowed them in, what ended up happening is they grew. They created their capacity to build their Bolshevik Revolution, and they brought all their revolutionaries in from all over the world.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, okay. Thank you know, Kathleen, we do actually have a caller on the line now. So and we only have less than two minutes left, so I would like to invite Mike in Kentucky on line one. Are you there?

Mike: Yeah, I should have called earlier, but stop me if you’ve heard this one:

“We cannot Reform the Bolsheviks, but we can do our best to save them and ourselves from the consequences of their act.”

And that is the opening letter from E. Hewitt, Assistant Secretary, I think it’s the Ministry of Information:

“The Ministry can enter into no correspondence of any kind with regard to this communication, which should only be disclosed to responsible persons.”

And it’s a letter to the clergy asking them for their expression of belief into the allegations against Japan and Germany in order to distract the public’s attention from the doings of the Red Army. 1944. That’s in a book published in 1959 by Edward J. Rosnick called Allied Wartime Diplomacy.

I was going to bring that up on Blackbird9’s thing about how they killed the Russians, I mean, the general who wanted to go after Russia, Patton.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, thank you. Yeah, we just have a few seconds. Do you want to comment on any of that, Kathleen? That’s very interesting.

Kathleen Dudley: Well, I think I’ll leave that for you, Monika.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, just wait. Well, I can already hear the music, but, Mike, I really appreciate that you called in and yeah, too bad you didn’t call earlier. It sounds very interesting, what you have there, the good information. Thank you, everybody for listening and thank you, Kathleen, for giving us a great talk about fascism. And thank you, Frank, that’s the producer. And thank you most of all the listeners. Bye bye.

Kathleen Dudley: Thank you.

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The Flipside with Monika – Ep 18 with Jürgen Neumann – Nov 2, 2024 – Transcript

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Monika Schaefer

The Flipside with Monika

Ep 18 with Jürgen Neumann

Sat, Nov 2, 2024

Key points include:

• Guest is Jürgen Neumann, Ernst Zundel’s former videographer (1:30)

• Discussion of recent Canadian report on alleged “mass graves” at residential schools (2:00)

• Criticism of efforts to criminalize “residential school denialism” in Canada (4:00)

• Recap of previous episode about Ernst Zundel’s work challenging Holocaust narrative (7:00)

• Ernst Zundel found guilty in 1985 trial but verdict overturned on appeal in 1987 (15:00)

• New trial ordered in 1988, lasting 4 months (18:00)

• Fred Leuchter brought in as expert witness on gas chambers (20:00)

• “Fred Leuchter said, ‘This is BS'” upon seeing alleged gas chamber at Auschwitz (25:00)

• Leuchter Report not allowed to be shown to jury, only entered as “lettered exhibit” (28:00)

• David Irving changed his views on Holocaust during testimony (35:00)

• Ernst Zundel found guilty again but the law “spreading false news” ruled unconstitutional by Supreme Court in 1992 (40:00)

• “The Supreme Court basically said that he had the right as a minority to say whatever he want, even if it was false” (45:00)

• Zundel charged under Human Rights Commission where “truth is no defense” (46:00)

• Zundel moved to US but arrested and deported back to Canada after 9/11 (48:00)

• Spent years in solitary confinement in Canada before deportation to Germany (49:00)

• Served 5 years in prison in Germany (49:30)

• Jürgen Neumann has a Bitchute channel “JohnRobinson101” with historic footage re Ernst Zundel (50:00)

• Also has book archive at archive.org under the name “Researcher-PDF” (50:30)

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Monika’s book: https://barnesreview.org/product/sorry-mom-i-was-wrong-about-the-holocaust/

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Monika Schaefer: I’m not hearing the broadcast yet. Can you hear me? Thank you.

All right. Good day. Good evening. Hello everybody. Welcome to another episode of The Flipside with Monika. And it is November 2, 2024. You’re listening to the Republic Broadcasting Network on RepublicBroadcasting.org and this is episode 18 of The Flipside with Monika. I am your host, Monika Schaefer.

I’m going to bring in a return guest. I’m very excited about that it’s Jurgen Neumann. But before I bring him on, I’m just going to give you a little update about some recent developments in Canada. I would say, you know, Canadiana, it’s really important actually, this stuff. And in the end, this all relates very much and very deeply to the topic we’re talking about today. And that will be about centering around World War II history and the so-called “Holocaust”, Ernst Zundel’s work, because Jurgen Neumann was Ernst Zundel’s videographer and worked with him for decades.

So what I’m talking about is our own little quote, unquote, “Holocaust” developing scene. And I say that quite deliberately. I use those words deliberately because they, there are so many parallels, … I’m hearing some noise in the background. Are we? This is going out though, is it? Okay, so anyway, I’ll carry on here.

I’ve talked about this story before about Canada’s own so-called alleged genocide. It’s these mass graves or unmarked graves. And yeah, so October 29th, that’s just a few days ago, there was the release of a report by Kimberly Murray, she’s the special interlocutor on these mass graves, the missing children at the residential schools.

Now this story goes back to May of 2021 when it went like wildfire around the world in big headlines that Canada has these mass graves and has murdered all these children at the residential schools.

And in the meantime, have any of these graves been dug up? Did they find any evidence? In spite of millions of dollars being spent on investigations or perhaps we should say non-investigations, nothing, nothing has been found. No evidence.

So this report that came out on Tuesday of this week, it highlights the need for, … Drumroll, please, legal mechanisms to address “denialism”. And now the report says that children were “disappeared”. So what started out as these absolutely incendiary reports about mass graves, they then became unmarked graves. That all came about because they had some ground penetrating radar that found anomalies. You know, these could be rocks and roots. And now they haven’t found any evidence.

So I guess the Canadian government and, or the Churches who ran the residential schools, they just simply “disappeared” the children. That’s a verb. They disappeared them. They got disappeared.

So I guess that’s why they have to now make laws to criminalize you if you question the story. And this has really been ramped up in the news lately. And, oh, funny enough, this past month there was a Bill tabled in the House of Commons, Bill C413, by an NDP Member of Parliament, Leah Gazan. She introduced a Bill that would indeed criminalize residential school denialism. She says:

“The purpose of the schools was to extinguish indigenous cultures and languages. And if government is serious about reconciliation, it needs to protect survivors and their families from hate.”

[chuckling] Oh, my goodness, there’s so much to say about that. I could go on for hours about just this topic. I did talk about this topic in episode seven. You could find that in the archives. But I’ll just ask a couple of questions here and then we’re going to move on from this topic.

But why would it be that some of the Indian chiefs and families, they were lobbying the government to keep the schools open when the government was closing them? All right? So they wanted them to be kept open. That’s one question to ask if they were genocidal places where children went missing.

And by the way, why didn’t the parents report these children missing? Like, there’s no evidence that there were reports of missing children at the time. Now these parents just go:

“Oh, okay, well, so what? Our child didn’t come home this time.”

And no. Anyway, another question to ask. Why is it that these the Oblate fathers, they actually created syllabics to have these languages?

Okay, so I’m just hearing noise there. I’m not sure if. Okay, I’ll carry on. The syllabics were, … This was a form of written language for these native languages. Now, this was done by the Oblate fathers. These were some of the Oblate, … Okay, thank you, Frank. I’m just going to carry on with this subject a little bit longer and then I’ll bring our guest on.

So they wrote these languages down. These languages had never been written before. Now, if one of the charges against the schools and the government is that the purpose of the residential schools was to obliterate the languages of the indigenous people. Why would they create a written language for it? Methinks that it was to help to preserve these languages! So anyway, that’s just some questions to ask about it.

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Okay, I’m going to now give you a little bit of a recap of episode 15 of this show that we had on October 12th with the guest Jurgen Neumann, just to bring you up to speed. And then we’re going to carry on and I’ll bring him in. Jurgen Neumann was Ernst Zundel’s videographer and helped Ernst Zundel for decades with his work. Ernst Zundel was a German. I’m hearing a lot of background noise. I don’t know if that’s going out on the airwaves or if it’s another line. Anyway, …

Okay, so Ernst Zundel was a German immigrant to Canada who challenged the mainstream Holocaust narrative. He had his moment of awakening when he met Adrian Arcand, a French-Canadian who had been in a Canadian concentration camp. Yes, you heard that right. A Canadian concentration camp, for six years during World War II. Arcand, he showed Ernst Zundel historical information, his immense library of books and just so much information which he had been denied all those years. And Ernst Zundel felt he was “born again”. That’s the way he described it. [chuckling] He was born again with the truth! In the late 1970s, Ernst Zundel ran for leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada. It gave him a platform to speak about issues facing German immigrants at that time.

And in 1980, there was a major raid on Ernst Zundel’s supporters in Germany because he had done a lot of mailings and he had a lot of supporters. I think some maybe 2,000 of these German homes were raided by the police. It was the largest peacetime police raid as far as I know, in modern times in Germany.

And then after that, reports about that that led to, or it was followed by protests against him in Toronto.

And then he began to use video to document events and spread his message. He met Robert Faurisson, the world’s foremost revisionist who focused on questioning existence of gas chambers! And then some big legal troubles began, including his mail being cut off. And he was charged with, quote, unquote, “spreading false news”. In 1985, there was a trial that lasted six weeks. And the trial included testimony from Holocaust survivors. First time that former camp inmates were properly cross examined by a lawyer!

In other words, they didn’t, you know, shrink back from doing that thinking:

“Oh, but that would be too insensitive!”

Anyway, that’s about where we left off last time in our episode 15 with Jurgen Neumann.

And I just wanted to give a shout out to katana, his website, katana17.com he did do a transcript of that last episode and he does transcripts of a lot of videos and talks and interviews that he deems worthy of preservation. And so that is a great compliment to that show we did three weeks ago. And I encourage the listener to visit that website at your earliest convenience. It’s Katana. That’s katana17.com. And you will find a lot of good stuff there.

Okay. So, Jurgen Neumann, are you there?

Jürgen Neumann: I certainly am. How are you this evening?

Monika Schaefer: Good. Welcome back. Welcome back!

So, yeah, we talked this morning about carrying on from, … And I just did that little recap. I’m sure you heard it. That’s what we talked about generally last time. And you had told me you had touched upon the fact that there was an appeal.

Well, first of all, that Ernst Zundel was found guilty. Right. And then there was an appeal a year later in 1986. Can you carry on with that story, please?

Jürgen Neumann: Sure.

So after the trial in March 1985, that was when he was found guilty on, actually, he was charged under two charges. One was about the booklet Did Six Million really Die? And the other one was about, I guess you might call it a leaflet or pamphlet called The West, War and Islam.

And so which we think they just threw that in just to kind of mix things up, keep people kind of confused. So they didn’t just concentrate on the main subject.

Anyway, he was found guilty on just “Did Six Million really Die?”, but he was found not guilty on the “The West, War and Islam”.

So after that, the next month, he was dragged in for the his deportation hearing. They were going to deport him. It seems they started deportation proceedings about halfway into the trial. [chuckling] So I think they already had a plan, but the plan eventually got upset.

Monika Schaefer: So are you talking about the, … Excuse me. Are you talking about, they started their procedures to deport Ernst Zundel back to Germany? Is that correct?

Jürgen Neumann: Yes.

Monika Schaefer: It’s so interesting because I remember hearing over the years back then, that was kind of a topic that came up over and over again in the news to deport Ernst Zundel. And they never did. They never did until much later, you know, following the debacle when he was arrested in Tennessee, years later. And of course, that was following 9/11, when they had whole new set of rules. [chuckling] But please carry on.

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, they started working on his deportation papers and all that stuff before the trial was even over! I mean, normally you wait till the person’s guilty before you do that.

So anyway, they started that. And of course, they couldn’t exactly deport him right away because he was appealing the decision. So in 1986, they went to the Ontario Appeal Court. And it was heard by the Chief Justice and five justices, five judges, for the appeal. So that was a pretty big appeal. So they heard it and that was in the summer of 86. They didn’t come down with their verdict until January of 87, at which time he won the appeal. They said:

“Yes, it was wrong, what happened during the trial and so therefore, we overturn the verdict of the trial.”

And immediately the authorities stepped up and they appealed the appeal. And so it went to. What was that? That was spring of 87. So April and June. Well, April they went to the Supreme Court of Canada with us.

And so they heard the case and they thought it over. And in June, they come back with their verdict, and that again, was overturned, the verdict of the 1985 trial. So therefore, in that case, what happened was the deportation hearing or deportation order were thrown out because that was based on the verdict, which is no longer good.

And also his, what do you call it, his gag order was also null and void because of that.

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Monika Schaefer: Oh, good. Just on a point here, people might be wondering why they threw out the 1985 verdict. Was it because of things that happened during the trial that were actually improper? Like they didn’t do proper proceedings? Like they did illegal things, perhaps during the trial?

Jürgen Neumann: Well, they didn’t really say the things were illegal, but they were improper. The judge of the trial made improper decisions and refused to allow evidence that should have been allowed, and allowed things that shouldn’t have been allowed and things of that nature.

Monika Schaefer: It’s funny that it just kind of reminds me of the Schaefer sibling trial in Germany in 2018! [chuckling]

Jürgen Neumann: Ha ha! Yeah!

Monika Schaefer: They didn’t allow any of our witnesses that would have been favorable to our side of the story. They didn’t allow any of those to even appear. And then they did all kinds of things that were completely illegal, every single trial day. [chuckling] But carry on with this, your story, please.

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah. I think it was even the next day when the Attorney General of Ontario, I think it was, he had the choice of either dropping the whole thing or ordering a new trial. And so undoubtedly, under pressure from certain (((groups))) and things, he decided it was best to have another trial. So he ordered a new trial.

And, oh, by the way, for those who don’t know, the concept of appealing something is its not another trial if there is a problem with the legality and all the technical things of the trial. It’s not a new trial.

So anyway, so therefore new one was ordered. And as it turns out, evidence surfaced that jewish groups had gone around to various news outlets and stuff and discussed with them that they should not report that trial the same way they reported the first trial. First trial got mega coverage, millions and millions of dollars! I mean, Mr. Zundel was a household word all across Canada and part of the northern United States, because it was broadcast everywhere for six weeks.

And of course, they didn’t want that to happen again.

Monika Schaefer: Very true, because there were a lot of details in the fine print of, for example, newspaper articles in mainstream newspapers that had I read past the headlines, I would have learned a lot. They actually reported what was going on in that trial, and evidence coming forward was not favorable to the mainstream orthodox narrative, was it?

Jürgen Neumann: No.

Monika Schaefer: So that was really quite something. It was very historic!

Jürgen Neumann: And especially the TV newscasts and stuff. They were really devastated.

So anyway, so they did actually manage to curtail the media reporting, restricting it for the second trial. There was nowhere near the amount of information that got out, which, of course is too bad because there was a lot more information that was revealed during the second trial. Second trial was actually four months long. It was even longer.

And anyway, so went to trial the second time around with everybody. Ernst got all his people together again. And so we started on the second trial. And during the second trial, it was Faurisson, for who you have mentioned, Robert Faurisson, who, by the way, had been, … Oh, no, he hadn’t been yet. Okay.

Anyway, it was him that kept saying:

“We should do this in a technical material fashion. We have to find somebody who knows something about the technology of gas chambers.”

And stuff like that. Because he was sure that what is suggested are gas chambers over in Auschwitz and stuff is total nonsense, because he had been there himself and looked at it. Right?

But he didn’t have the expertise in order to say it. Because he tried to introduce that evidence in the first trial, but he was not allowed because he was not an expert in execution equipment and gas chambers. So the judge disallowed him. So, Mr Faurisson said:

“Well, we have to find somebody.”

And so they started sending, during the trial already that’s when we started sending out letters to American prisons and to the state prisons, things who had executions, they had capital punishment, and those who had gas chambers and stuff, and asked them, the wardens and whoever else, if somebody would be willing to talk about this. Become maybe a witness for that kind of stuff.

And I think it was the was Missouri. I forget which state it was. Maybe Missouri.

Anyway, he only got one really. Well, he got a couple of replies and they said:

“No, actually we wouldn’t want to do that.”

But the warden of the one state penitentiary, Bill Armentrout, he replied that:

“Yeah, sure he wouldn’t mind.”

He understood the freedom of speech aspect and he thought:

“Yeah, sure, if my expertise and my evidence could be helpful, I would gladly be one.”

He said:

“But if you really want to know the nuts and bolts about gas chambers and things like that, you should talk to our engineer, Fred Leuchter.”

So right away we got in touch with Fred Leuchter. And so Robert Faurisson, he talked with him and they agreed. He flew down, flew to Boston where Mr. Leuchter was living, and he discussed it with him, and said:

“Yeah, this and this, and would you be willing to take part in all this?”

And Fred Leuchter said:

“Yeah, I would be willing to do that.”

So he flew back to Toronto and talked to Ernst. He said:

“Okay, he’s willing to do that, but, oh, we got a problem.”

And Ernst said:

“What’s that?”

He said:

“Well, Fred Leuchter believes in the Holocaust and the gas chambers.”

And Ernst said:

“Not to worry, not to worry. Didn’t we all at one time?”

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Monika Schaefer: Exactly! Just like everybody else believes, that’s what we all learned, that’s what we all heard. So he probably hadn’t given it any more thought than that.

Jürgen Neumann: Exactly:

“So we’ll let him do it. And what he finds out is what he will find out.”

So he paid for him to fly to Toronto and he came and he discussed everything with Ernst and Faurisson on everything. Went over all the evidence and all the documents and everything and oh, that’s right. What had happened during the first trial was, … No, hold on a second here. I got this kind of or was it? I think it was made up for the second trial.

Yeah, one of our supporters is a professional model maker. And so we gave him the blueprints of the alleged gas chamber buildings and stuff like that. And he made proper scale models of these buildings that you could take apart and stuff and look and discuss and point out what’s what with them. So he pointed that out. He showed Fred Leuchter that as well. And Fred Leuchter was quite amazed at the whole thing. So he agreed that:

“Yeah, okay, we’ll go.”

So we set a team together, which is translator, Fred, Fred’s wife, the secretary, a draftsman, and myself as a video man. And in February during the trial, we flew to communist Poland and we started investigating these areas. And I’ll always remember the first time. And it was cold in February, it was cold!

Anyway, we were the Auschwitz camp and we approached the building that they claim is the gas chamber. And we were about 20 yards away, or more, and Fred stopped, so we all stopped. And he looked at it probably for a minute or more and he said:

“This is bs!”

He hasn’t got in the building yet, but he can already see for a distance that there’s something wrong with this one. And so anyway, so we went there and sure enough we went through the whole thing and he made his report on it. He also took samples from the walls. Because if it had been a, a homicidal gas chamber, there should be residue of the gas used, which was the same gas supposedly used, or the same gas that was used at American gas chambers was the one supposedly used here to murder people.

And of course that’s what made him an expert for these ones as well, because it’s supposed to be the same gas. So technically it should be, generally speaking, the same technology. Which of course it wasn’t.

So anyway, he took all these samples and we went through Auschwitz and Birkenau and Majdanek and eventually we got back, took the stuff back. He took the samples to a very well known lab in Massachusetts, I think it was, and they checked it. You know, he said:

“Oh well, didn’t want it biased, the test.”

So the laboratory was told that these are samples from an industrial accident and could they please tell us how much hydrogen cyanide is in the samples. So they did that.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, that was, that was wise, I would say, wasn’t it? Because if they actually told them where it was from Auschwitz, that might have skewed the procedures for actually telling what’s in it.

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, it definitely would have. I mean, later on the guy who did the testing, who was actually the manager of the lab, actually said that in a documentary that was made about it afterwards, he actually said that:

“Well, if we had known it was from Auschwitz.”

Well, right, that tells you everything you need to know.

Anyway, so Mr. Leuchter wrote his report, et cetera, came to the conclusion that all is not the way they say it is. And so it was tendered as evidence in the trial, right near the end of the trial, because it took a while for everything.

And of course that just absolutely blew everybody away! All the prosecution and the judges, everything. They were basically speechless!

Monika Schaefer: And yeah, quite something. It would have been like this big smoking gun going off, wasn’t it?

Jürgen Neumann: Yep. So they brought this in and after they realized what it was, the judge said:

“The jury has to leave the room.”

So the jury filed out so they could discuss this. So they discussed it and the judge said:

“Okay, we can allow this as a lettered exhibit.”

Whatever that actually means, because it wasn’t allowed to be shown to the jury.

Monika Schaefer: Oh!

Jürgen Neumann: So I don’t know what alleged “lettered exhibit” actually meant, but it wasn’t allowed to be shown there to them.

Monika Schaefer: So they were going to withhold this very, very critical piece of forensic evidence? They were withholding that from the jury. Did I hear that correctly?

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, you heard that correctly. Absolutely! See, because if he gave as regular exhibit, they could have access to it and actually read it and think about it.

Monika Schaefer: Right! Jurgen, this is just actually got me on the edge of my seat because even though I knew quite a bit about this, I didn’t know that that that was withheld from the jury. But we’re going into a break. I just heard the music begin. Please stay with us and we’ll also invite callers after the break. But this is really interesting. Thank you so much!

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Monika Schaefer: All right, I’d like to welcome you back to The Flipside with Monika. First, I’d like to remind you, dear listeners, if you possibly, possibly can do support this network and there are three ways you can support Republic Broadcasting Network, but I will tell you right now there is an urgency. So I’ll say the first method is the best. And that would be a direct financial donation. You can go to RepublicBroadcasting.org and you’ll find the donation instructions or call 1-800-724-2719 to make an immediate contribution. And the reason being that I say there is urgency to this because they are barely able to cover their bills for the next couple of weeks. So it seems to happen from time to time that they get very low on funds. So that is the case right now.

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And another is, and this is really important, you know, sometimes people, they might say:

“Oh, you’re just in an echo chamber!”

Well, I say, no, not if we share these shows. If you like what you’re hearing, if the show is good, you can pass it on to somebody. Because these kind of networks, these kind of shows, they don’t get spread around very easily unless we do it directly. So share, share, share!

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Okay, that was a first thing I wanted to take care of oh, well, there it is. There’s the address. Thank you. 2251 Double Creek Drive 302 Round Rock, Texas 78664 USA.

So that’s the mailing address. If you wanted to do it the old fashioned way, write a check, that kind of thing.

Okay. I also want to tell you we are really having to condense this incredible story that Jurgen is telling right now. But he has a channel on Bitchute and the channel name is called JohnRobinson101. So go to Bitchute, put John Robinson 101 in the search bar and you will find a ton of videos because he is very actively re-uploading some of the old stuff plus new stuff. So you’ll find a lot of good, good things there.

And actually when you come back on Jurgen, you can give your other website, I think on Odysee if you like. I don’t have that in front of me right now. I’ve also put a couple of links to things in the chat room, and that’s the flipsidewmonica.chatango.com.

And one more thing, the call in numbers. If you’d like to join our conversation today, it’s 512-248-8252 or the toll free number is 1-800-313-9443.

Okay, with all that said, I don’t want to take any more time away from Jurgen. And we were just on that part which illustrates the extreme corruption of the court system. I would say it’s the criminals are on the wrong side of the they should be in the docket, or in the dock or whatever they call it! [chuckling] But they’re running the show where you said that the jury was not permitted to actually read The Leuchter Report . The Leuchter Report was a bomb that like, it just blows apart the Holocaust narrative right now! And of course that’s why they wanted to keep it hidden from them.

Carry on from there, please, Jurgen.

Jürgen Neumann: Okay, before I say a little bit more, I would like to comment a little bit on Fred Leuchter’s character, him and his wife who were there. And that is, he was a very honest and dedicated guy. He had a great sense of humor. When we were there, I got this headache and I didn’t know what to do about it. They had aspirins and stuff here:

“Here, here, have some aspirins.”

I had some aspirins. At night in the hotel room they brought along a deck of cards, played cards. They were always upbeat, smiling, great people! I really enjoyed it. And he was very dedicated in his work. When we were in Auschwitz Birkenau, which is the big camp, when they had destroyed the so-called, what do you call it, gas chamber buildings and stuff, crematory gas chamber buildings. In order for to get proper samples from that one, the only way you could access it was to go down, there was one hole that was left over in the ground. So he’d get into the basement and do these things.

And so he was going to crawl down on there. Remember, it’s February, it’s super cold. He gets there and he can’t fit through the hole because of his heavy coat. So what does he do? He takes off his coat, he’s all cold, and he goes down in there and we videotape that where he gets down there in the water and everything else and takes all the samples, etc. So he’s very, very dedicated.

Monika Schaefer: Wow!

Jürgen Neumann: So back to the trial, they couldn’t read the report itself. However, Fred was then called as a witness and he was allowed to testify in front of the jury and so on. So he talked about everything that he had done and what he had seen and so on and so forth, and so jury at least got to hear him personally, although they couldn’t verify anything by reading the report.

Monika Schaefer: Do you think that it might have made them wonder, though, why are we not allowed to see the report that this man produced? Do you think that, or would they even have been privy to that information, that there existed a report but they were not permitted to see it? Like this is very puzzling to me. Any logically thinking person would, it would raise their alarm bells, would it not?

Jürgen Neumann: I would hope so.

Monika Schaefer: Yes!

Jürgen Neumann: I will say that I was not in the courtroom at that time.

Monika Schaefer: Okay.

Jürgen Neumann: So from what I heard afterwards in the debriefings and stuff, was that when the judge told the jury to leave the room and stuff, that was before they actually talked a lot about the concept of the report. So I have a feeling that maybe they didn’t quite realize that there was a written report for that.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, right.

Jürgen Neumann: I think so, anyway.

Monika Schaefer: Mmm.

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Jürgen Neumann: Anyway, so the last witness was David Irving. He was a very controversial British historian. And he himself, when he got up there, he actually changed his mind on the stand. Because the prosecutor said:

“Oh, you believed in the Holocaust. You’ve said so in your books and stuff like that.”

He said:

“Yeah, well, that was until now. And so now I’m going to have to change this and I’m going to have to change that, and I will change all these things to conform with the new evidence that I now know about, et cetera.”

So that was a big sensation as well.

Monika Schaefer: Incredible, isn’t it? It is sensational! It really is, yes.

Jürgen Neumann: So anyway, it’s all over.

And once again, as was expected, he was found guilty. Right. So then, time to go for another appeal.

So, okay, so the appeal, this went on for a while. September 1989, Professor Faurisson, who was the number one helper for number one revisionist, number one person helping research, I think, for the trial, and a witnesses at the trial as well, near his home in France, he was beaten almost to death in the park by three assailants who, they don’t know, never did catch them.

So he was in the hospital for quite a while in critical condition, had to wire his jaw closed and all kinds of different things. But that did not deter him! He still kept on with his revisionist views, etc. Turns out that he had actually been beaten altogether about eight times, and that never stopped him at all! That did not terrorize him into silence!

Monika Schaefer: A man of integrity, honesty, and his favorite word, exactitude!

Jürgen Neumann: Yes. We must not forget courage.

Monika Schaefer: And courage! Yes, thank you. The most important of all. Thank you. Go ahead.

Jürgen Neumann: Yes.

So anyway, put in the appeal, because when we want to go to the Supreme Court of Canada, you ask for leave to appeal, you don’t automatically get one. So we put together the factum, put together all the material that’s necessary, and then it was handed into the Supreme Court so that they could have a look at it and see if an appeal was warranted. And so wait a month, a month later, finally in 1990 the Supreme Court agreed to hear the appeal after they thought about it for 10 months, which was pretty good that they even agreed to hear it. So that was good.

So then they set the appeal for, I think it was 1991. So it’s going to be a little while down the road. In the meantime, Ernst went back to Germany. He had helped organize this great big huge, what was called the Leuchter Congress. Great big meeting of all kinds of revisionists in Munich, et cetera. They rented a hall in one of the big museums there.

And of course on the day when they got there, the museums canceled their contract:

“Oh no, you can’t do this.”

Monika Schaefer: Oh! I’ll just interject a little bit very briefly here. That is how the enemy operates. They will wait till the day of or the day before an event. Surely they knew well in advance this was going to happen. But they wait till the day of, just so that it’s very difficult for the people to deal with that then, just to carry on with some kind of an event. They don’t give them notice, in other words, so that they could reorganize elsewhere.

And the other thing to make note of is that is prior to 1994, because I think it was 1994 when it would have been difficult to even enter Germany for Ernst Zundel without risk of being arrested. Isn’t that correct? I think 1994 is when they came down with their Paragraph 130. I might be wrong on that. But anyway, carry on please.

Jürgen Neumann: Well, they may have come with a more stringent one, but at that time so-called “Holocaust denial” was still against the law.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, okay, it was already against the law already.

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, which was very interesting. So everybody was there. This is in March of ’91. All these people, hundreds and hundreds of people were there for the Leuchter Congress and stuff.

And so what they decided to do was they held it in the street outside of the museum.

Monika Schaefer: Oh great! [chuckling]

Jürgen Neumann: And the police were there and everything and they allowed it, so everything got going, etc. And then when Fred got up and he was going to talk, everybody of course can’t say anything because you of what you really want to say because you’re going to get arrested and all that.

But as it turns out, the lawyer had already been in touch with the legal department with the local authorities and stuff like that. And he told them about the Leuchter Report and so on and so forth. And the decision was that, well, this is a scientific technical report and therefore you are allowed to talk about it.

Monika Schaefer: Wow!

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, wow!

Monika Schaefer: That’s something.

Jürgen Neumann: It’s not propaganda. So therefore he did have a few words to say about that in public. And it was really quite an amazing day. We produced a couple of videos on that one, but it’s all in German language pretty well, so.

Monika Schaefer: Okay. We might have some German speaking listeners. You never know. Are they on your BitChute channel or that other channel?

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, they are.

Monika Schaefer: And just while we’re on that, I forgot to get you to actually give that other channel on Odysee. I think it’s got another name, Dzray or something. Did you want to give that out too?

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Jürgen Neumann: Well, I rather do a little bit more of this stuff here and then maybe at the end I will talk about that more.

Monika Schaefer: All right, great!

Jürgen Neumann: Anyway, during this time Ernst came over and he was trying to keep a low profile, of course, but eventually they found him and they did arrest him. And that started a whole series of trials in Munich.

So eventually he went, …

Monika Schaefer: So you are saying Ernst Zundel was arrested there?

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, he was.

Monika Schaefer: Oh my goodness!

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, he was arrested.

So anyway, so he had to go through all the trials for that. Eventually at that time he kind of was found not guilty. And he had to fly back and forth a couple of times for the trials, etc.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, so when he was arrested, they didn’t jail him, but they just basically told him to get lost, get out of the country? Because you’re now talking he’s flying back and forth, which means he’s not in jail.

Jürgen Neumann: No, he’s not in jail. They held him in custody, charged him and all that and said:

“This is it. And do you give your word that you will come back for the trial?”

He said:

“Yes, he wouldn’t miss it for the world!”

Monika Schaefer: [chuckling] That’s how Alfred and I talked to them. But they didn’t care about that they threw us in jail anyway before the verdict! [chuckling] Okay, carry on.

Jürgen Neumann: Well, the paragraph that you’re talking about were put in afterwards after his legal thing. I think they thought:

“No, this is not going to work. We got to add something more stringent.”

Anyway, so he managed to win that one as well. They had even taken away his passport, which he managed to get back through legal channels and so on. So he was always busy, always busy, busy, busy!

So eventually, in 1992, the Supreme Court came down with their verdict and they said that the law under which Ernst Zundel was charged, was unconstitutional and they scrapped the law. And therefore all the charges against Ernst were dropped. Which is very interesting!

Monika Schaefer: These are now the Canadian charges. Right? Because you were talking about being in Germany. He was charged, arrested and charged.

But now we’re talking back onto the Canadian, the 1988 trial. But this was the last appeal and they threw that out, Is that correct?

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, the Canadian Supreme Court threw out that law, “Spreading false news” because it was against free speech.

Monika Schaefer: And it was hundreds of years old, that law, was it not?

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah. Like from, was it 12th century or something? 13th century, something like that.

Monika Schaefer: Well, taken over from the British Commonwealth. I mean, from the UK, Right? Yeah.

Jürgen Neumann: Yes. Which is very interesting. They said it was unconstitutional nine years before, wherever it was when he first got charged with all this. The first argument that our lawyer, Doug Christie, made in court when the trial started was that the law was unconstitutional. And they said:

“No, no, it’s fine!”

So it took nine years and half a million dollars and all the BS for the Supreme Court of Canada to say, finally:

“Yes, it’s unconstitutional!”

They could have done that at the beginning, you know! Nonetheless, it was incredible! Definitely incredible!

Yep. So anyway, that was ’92.’93 we started doing the another Voice of Freedom series of videos and we’re broadcasting them via satellite and so on. And that was very groundbreaking. Caused a lot of stir, etc. As a matter of fact, [chuckling] our opposition was so upset that one of the broadcasting facilities which we bought time from down in the US was burned to the ground. So it was arsoned!
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Monika Schaefer: Yeah, all kinds of attacks on him still, of course, but this is just incredible stuff! Yeah, go carry on, please. We just have a couple of minutes left, so.

Jürgen Neumann: Well, exactly!

So eventually the Supreme Court basically said that he had the Right as a minority to say whatever he want, even if it was false, etc.

So he had won all these rights. And did that stop them? No, it didn’t stop them. They created this so-called Human Rights Commission and he was charged under that. And of course, the basics of the Human Rights Commission is that “truth is no defense”.

Monika Schaefer: I’m so glad you just said that because that is that famous or infamous line that came out of the mouth of a Canadian judge that “truth is no defense”.

Jürgen Neumann: Yep, that’s right.

And so he realized that they were just trying to bankrupt him because to bring in his lawyer, you know, once a month or whatever it was exorbitant and money and all that kind of stuff. So he said:

“Enough of that nonsense! I can see where this is going.”

And so he married an American citizen, moved to Tennessee, and he was working on getting his citizenship, green card and citizenship, all through legal channels, etc.

And then the 9/11 thing happened. The Department of Homeland Security was created and under those new laws, they came one day to his place in Tennessee and arrested him. And his wife said:

“Hey, you can’t take him!”

Lawyers and all this stuff. They just ignored her and took him away, and they flew him back to Canada, of all places. Because they didn’t know where else to put him.

Monika Schaefer: We have one minute left. So he spent a couple of years in solitary confinement. I do believe he was in solitary the whole time he was in the Toronto jail. Then they finally did succeed in their deportation back to Germany and he spent five years in jail there. But, Jurgen, please give us information where people can find your videos. That would be like, this is just incredible! There’s so much. And if people want to see some of this historic footage of these shows, these interviews, all kinds of stuff, please go ahead.

Jürgen Neumann: Okay, the two channels that I would suggest are my main one on Bitchute, as you mentioned earlier, JohnRobinson101, that’s all one word.

And the second one I would recommend is I have a PDF channel on archive.org for reading. I’ve got over 200 books and papers and things like that on there that I would think that people would probably really enjoy.

Monika Schaefer: Is that also UnderJohn Robinson101 when they go to archive.org?

Jürgen Neumann: No, it’s called Researcher_PDF.

[Note: Type in Researcher-PDF. at archive.org, i.e., hyphen, not an underscore.]

Monika Schaefer: Okay, thanks. Researcher underscore PDF. I want to thank the listeners. I want to thank you, Jurgen, for coming back. I was on the edge of my seat. I want to thank the producer, Frank, and thank you everybody.

And remember, please, if you can support RBN, we’ll see you next week. Bye Bye!

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Blewitt
November 2, 22:38
It was not hydrogen cyanide itself that was looked for but a compound resulting from a reaction of hydrogen cyanide with iron that exists in bricks and mortar, which compound is extremely stable and will not deteriorate for many, many years.

Blewitt
November 2, 23:33
The Jews destroyed Leuchrer’s business, which provided the money he lived off, in response to his testimony at the Zundel trial. Leuchter’s business was to build various kinds of execution equipment, including plans for a gas chamber for one prison, for prisons throughout the United States that executed prisoners. The Jews contacted all the prisons that did business with Leuchter and persuaded them to cut ties with Leuchter. Leuchter was also charged with the crime of practicing engineering without a degree in engineering (he had a bachelor’s degree in history, not engineering — which was irrelevant for the man was an inventor, not an engineer). A lawyer freed Leuchter from this charge, but Leuchter eventually became embittered because he felt the right-wing people who persuaded him to produce his Holocaust-denying evidence must have known that the Jews would respond by destroying his execution hardware business.

kati
November 3, 09:05
Someone edited all parts of the german holocaust into one big video, 15,5 hours i listened it sure 10 times by now, downloaded it so i got it local, one day its gone from the archive
https://archive.org/details/ernst-zundel-the-german-holocaust-the-complete-collection-parts-1-34
here is one of the better Zuendel archives of all his samisdat
https://odysee.com/@ErnstZundelArchive:6

kati
November 3, 09:17
I have to thanks Mr Neumann thanks to him i listened to all interviews i could find, Ernst Zuendel was very wholesome and he would be a good leader if they let him, my favorite interview is this 3h40m long one, its very good
https://odysee.com/@ErnstZundelVideos:8/AVOF-258—261—The-Ultimate-Interview-with-Ernst-Zundel—full—July-21st-1999:9

katana17
November 9, 02:26
Thanks kati for that reference.

kati
November 3, 09:24
Mr Neumanns bitchute channel is blocked here in germany, Operas buildin vpn is already enough to watch the videos here in germany, really good collection and videos he has there

kati
November 3, 09:35
Grüße aus Deutschland, sicher sind hier deutschsprachige Zuhörer.

katana17
November 9, 02:22
[The Flipside with Monika – Ep 18 with Jürgen Neumann – Nov 2, 2024 – Transcript]

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 18 with Jürgen Neumann – Nov 2, 2024 – Transcript

[In this weekly podcast episode The Flipside with Monika on Republic Broadcasting Network, Canadian nationalist and author, Monika Schaefer talks again with Jürgen Neumann and his time working with Ernst Zündel, the famous Canadian-German revisionist.
Key points include:
• Guest is Jürgen Neumann, Ernst Zundel’s former videographer (1:30)
• Discussion of recent Canadian report on alleged “mass graves” at residential schools (2:00)
• Criticism of efforts to criminalize “residential school denialism” in Canada (4:00)
• Recap of previous episode about Ernst Zundel’s work challenging Holocaust narrative (7:00)
• Ernst Zundel found guilty in 1985 trial but verdict overturned on appeal in 1987 (15:00)
• New trial ordered in 1988, lasting 4 months (18:00)
• Fred Leuchter brought in as expert witness on gas chambers (20:00)
• “Fred Leuchter said, ‘This is BS’” upon seeing alleged gas chamber at Auschwitz (25:00)
• Leuchter Report not allowed to be shown to jury, only entered as “lettered exhibit” (28:00)
• David Irving changed his views
on Holocaust during testimony (35:00)
• Ernst Zundel found guilty again but the law “spreading false news” ruled unconstitutional by Supreme Court in 1992 (40:00)
• “The Supreme Court basically said that he had the right as a minority to say whatever he want, even if it was false” (45:00)
• Zundel charged under Human Rights Commission where “truth is no defense” (46:00)
• Zundel moved to US but arrested and deported back to Canada after 9/11 (48:00)
• Spent years in solitary confinement in Canada before deportation to Germany (49:00)
• Served 5 years in prison in Germany (49:30)
• Jürgen Neumann has a Bitchute channel “JohnRobinson101” with historic footage (50:00)
• Also has book archive at archive.org under the name “Researcher-PDF” (50:30)
– KATANA]
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Monika
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Thank you once again, Katana, for all your fantastic work to preserve these interviews in a written form!

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Monika Schaefer

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 15 with

Jürgen Neumann on Ernst Zündel

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[In this weekly podcast episode The Flipside with Monika on Republic Broadcasting Network, Canadian nationalist and author, Monika Schaefer talks with Jürgen Neumann and his time working with Ernst Zündel, the famous Canadian-German revisionist.

Key points include:

Jurgen Neumann worked as a videographer for Ernst Zundel for decades.

Ernst Zundel was a German immigrant to Canada who challenged the mainstream Holocaust narrative.

Zundel had a “moment of awakening” when he met Adrian Arcand, a French Canadian who had been in a Canadian concentration camp for six years during WWII.

Arcand showed Zundel historical information that contradicted the mainstream narrative: “he started showing him his library of thousands of books and started giving him all the other information that he had been denied all these years.”

Zundel described this experience as being “born again” with the truth.

In the late 1970s, Zundel ran for leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada, giving him a platform to speak about issues facing German immigrants.

In 1980, there was a major raid on Zundel’s supporters in Germany, leading to protests against him in Toronto.

Zundel began using video to document events and spread his message in the early 1980s.

Zundel met Robert Faurisson, described as “the world’s foremost revisionist”, who focused on questioning the existence of gas chambers.

Zundel faced legal troubles, including having his mail service cut off and being charged with “spreading false news.”

Zundel’s 1985 trial lasted six weeks and received extensive media coverage.

The trial featured testimony from Holocaust survivors that was heavily scrutinized: “it was the first time that former camp inmates were properly cross examined by a lawyer.”

A second trial in 1988 lasted almost four months and included even more information challenging the Holocaust narrative.

Jurgen Neumann accompanied Zundel on several trips to Auschwitz.

Neumann now maintains a BitChute channel called “John Robinson 101” where he uploads videos related to Zundel’s work. It contains “over a thousand videos” related to Holocaust revisionism and Zundel’s activities.

The discussion portrays Zundel as a truth-seeker facing persecution for his views, and Holocaust revisionism as a legitimate historical inquiry, rather than as hate speech or anti-semitism.

– KATANA]

https://www.republicbroadcastingarchives.org/the-flipside-with-monika-october-12-2024/

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https://odysee.com/@MonikaSchaefer:2

Monika’s book: https://barnesreview.org/product/sorry-mom-i-was-wrong-about-the-holocaust/

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[01:05]

Monika Schaefer: Good evening. Greetings. You are listening to the Republic Broadcasting Network at Republicbroadcasting.org. It is October 12, 2024. And this is The Flipside with Monika. And I am your host, Monika Schaefer.

Okay, good news. We have a very special guest, and we had a small technical glitch, but I understand he is on the line.

And so I’m going to bring him on without too much further ado. But I’ll just set the stage a little bit and then invite my guest to give a little bit more background. His name is Jurgen Neumann, or Jurgen Neumann, I’m not sure how he likes to pronounce it. And he worked for many years, in fact, for decades, as a videographer for Ernst Zundel, or Ernst Zundel, pronounced German. And he was pretty much Ernst Zundel’s right hand man and did very many interesting things, went over to Auschwitz, not just once, but several times.

And probably most of you are familiar with the name Ernst Zundel. He was taken through the court system for reaching the wrong conclusions about World War Two, that untouchable topic that we are all supposed to believe in. Only one narrative, the Holocaust narrative! So that’s a big story.

And I always say this is still very relevant. Obviously, it is still very relevant. They put people in jail still to this day for doubting that story. And there are ever more countries that are criminalizing people who question that narrative. And Ernst Zundel was one of the greats in exposing the lies and revealing the truth about World War Two history and what exactly happened or did not happen in Germany. And Jurgen Neumann is continuing his work to this day with re-uploading videos from that are old interviews, old radio broadcasts that Ernst Zundel did decades ago. And he is busy every day doing this work.

And so I would like to welcome Jurgen Neumann to the show. Are you there?

Jürgen Neumann: I am, Monika. Thank you for having me on.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, you’re so welcome! I’m very, very happy to have you on.

And I think that people are going to learn a thing or two because I learned something new just today, earlier today when we were talking for 20 minutes or half an hour on the phone in anticipation of tonight’s show. And that was really, really great. I learned something new.

So anyway, why don’t you just set the stage a little bit more with your own background and involvement. Because then we will be talking mostly about Ernst Zundel and the greater story about that. But I do want people to know a little bit about you. So go ahead, please.

Jürgen Neumann: All right. Basically, for me, it started back in the early 1970s, anyway.

Now, my father was a German army veteran from World War Two, and so I have a little bit of a connection to that time, etcetera.

And so what happened was that he discovered through another veteran he was talking to, that there was going to be some sort of a meeting going on in Buffalo, New York. And he asked me if I would like to go along, that has something to do with at some German group there. So I agreed to go with them. We went, and I’ll cut this short, of course.

And so we went there, and they showed some films and did some speechifying and things of that nature. And afterwards, there were some book tables around. So I wandered around, figured I should buy a book. So I did. I walked over to a book table, looked at what they had, picked one up, went to, give the money to the gentleman sitting behind the table.

And I always remember that he just looked up at me. It seemed like a long time, but I’m sure it was only a few seconds, but he just did look at me.

And then he opened the book cover and wrote something in it, gave it back to me.

Came home. I got interested in topics, ordered a few books from the United States, and I decided:

“Well, someplace in Canada, maybe I could find some books rather than send my money there.”

And so eventually I thought to myself:

“Oh, somebody wrote something in one of my book covers.”

He did. He wrote his name and phone number, and it was Ernst Zundel. I phoned him, and my father and I went down to see him. And that was in 1975, when I first got to meet him. And we all hit it off with each other, and we started volunteering to come down on weekends and things and do stuff for him, etcetera.

And eventually, in 1980, there was a, … Well, he had been promoting his ideas, of course, to many people mailing out. He would do great mailings, big mailings, to not only his supporters, but to every MP, every MPP, church leaders, things like that, get them informed about what he was discovering.

So eventually, …

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, sorry, I was just going to ask, when you first met him and he was doing these mailings, was that about the topic of World War Two, or was that more about the immigrant situation? Because I know that he had a experienced some disappointments as a German immigrant in Canada, thinking that this would be such a great and wonderful free country. But what was, were those early mailings about? Was it about his discoveries about World War Two?

[07:53]

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, it was.

And as you say, yes, he was very disappointed when he got here because he, at first, he didn’t notice it that much because he only spoke limited English. So he made his [commercial art] business, he got very successful and he learned English. Went to night school to learn English, where he met his wife. And he asked her where she was from and she said:

“I’m from Canada.”

And he thought:

“I’m Canadian, here to learn English. What’s that?”

Turns out she was from Quebec. She only spoke French.

But once he learned English, he started seeing all this anti-German propaganda that was around because it had absolutely nothing to do with what he knew about his people and so on. Then they moved to Quebec and he learned French. And the French language stuff was just as bad.

And that’s how he started getting into this. And he started meeting people, interviewing people who were there, and that’s what he was sharing with his, …

Monika Schaefer: Right. And we had talked earlier about his great moment of “awakening” and he called it being born again [chuckling] in quotation marks, I’ll say And why don’t you set that up for us a little bit?

And then we do have a clip. It’s a four minute clip about his, that moment in his life when he learned the truth! Because when he left Germany as a 20 year old in, I do believe he was 20. He was born in 1939. Is that correct? Am I getting the dates right? He came over in 1950, or maybe it was 58 or 59.

Jürgen Neumann: So he was 18 going on 19.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, okay. He was even younger. And he was very much a pacifist. He just wanted out of war torn Germany.

And of course, he believed all the narratives that were being told then. Correct?

Jürgen Neumann: Correct.

Monika Schaefer: So then just set this up for us before we play that clip. Tell us about the man who helped him. Yeah.

Jürgen Neumann: So anyway, he got active in politics in the sixties, around the mid sixties or so. he was very active. He got on radio talk shows and things, talking about the Arab-Israeli debate. I think it was around the ‘67 war, or something. And anyway, he did a lot of activities and things.

And eventually he was approached by a retired RCMP called special constable. And he said:

“Oh, Mr Zundel, he said, you are interested in all these things. There is a fellow in Quebec that you should actually go see, because he has a great library about all these subjects. And he was involved in a lot of this stuff back in the day, so you should go see him.”

And so he did. He packed up his wife and child, went to Quebec, dropped her off with her mother, I think it was relatives.

And then he went to see this man whose name was Adrien Acand*. He’s a very famous Canadian, especially back in, let’s say, in the thirties and so on. He had a kind of a neo-Fascist party, political party in Quebec.

[* Adrien Arcand was a Canadian fascist politician, writer, and journalist. He founded and led the far-Right National Unity Party of Canada from 1934 until his death in 1967. During his political career, he proclaimed himself as the “Canadian Führer”. Arcand was detained by the federal government for the duration of the World War II under the Defence of Canada, Regulations. Wikipedia]

[See: The Greatest War in History, Now On! — International Jewish System Against National Patriotism – 1937]

So they were doing very well with getting support and running for things. And he was also an army officer in one of the well known French regiments, Quebec regiments. And he was also an editor for one of the largest daily French newspaper, French language newspaper, outside of France. He went to see him and he discovered that as the story went, he goes in there and he introduced himself, Acand looked at him, said:

“Oh, you are one of those brainwashed Germans!”

He said:

“Oh!”

“Yeah, well, come on in, sit down. Would you prefer us to speak in German? Would it be easier for you?”

And he was blown away. This man spoke perfect German.

And so they got to know each other and he started showing him his library of thousands of books and started giving him all the other information that he had been denied all these years.

And so he was quite blown away by the whole thing.

And one of the things that really shook him was the fact that on the day that Germany invaded Poland and Canada declared war on Germany, or three days later.

Anyway, on that day he was arrested with a number of his major people in the party, put in a Canadian concentration camp, without charge for the duration of the war.

Monika Schaefer: That blew my mind! That’s the bit that I learned today. I had heard, I kind of knew that Adrian Arcand had been in some kind of a concentration camp, but I had assumed it was in Europe, that he was still in Europe. So that blew my mind! This was in Canada and that was like basically at the very start of World War Two. Please continue.

Jürgen Neumann: Yes.

So anyway, he said, after his first meeting with Arcand, which lasted about 3 hours, he said, he just kind of “floated out of the room”. He just could not [chuckling] believe what he had heard. And it made sense to him, from what he has already experienced with his own relatives and what he had seen in Germany and so on. Everything he heard made perfect sense to him.

Monika Schaefer: Thank you for that. I think this would be a perfect time to play that clip. So, Frank, if you could play that clip now, that would be great!

[14:26]

Ernst Zundel: Then I had a good fortune. Some people said misfortune. I think it was a good fortune to meet a French-Canadian in Quebec. And I was introduced to him through an Irish-Canadian, who said that this French-Canadian had a very big library about these topics, meaning communism, Bolshevism, jews, race, and I should go and see that man, because to my surprise, he said he was in concentration camp in Canada for six years during the entire Second World War. That was the first time that I heard about non-German concentration camps.

Up until that point, I was 20 years old. I always thought only the Germans had these concentration camps for political dissidents. Well, I was always a person that from the thought to the action, to inform myself or to do anything was a very short one. Some people take a long time, contemplate this, do that, plan this. I say:

“Oh, so there’s this guy in Quebec, even he’s supposed to speak German, because at the time when I was still learning the two languages, I’m gonna hop myself in my old Beetle Volkswagen and make a beeline for Quebec. Look that man up!”

And boy, oh boy, I thought I had culture shock before. Well, let me tell you, I walked into this French-Canadian’s home. It was a room somewhat like this, surrounded by many books, modern art. And he could hear by my accent that I was still struggling with the languages. And so instead of speaking French or English to me, he immediately proceeded to speak German. Big surprise to me! He was a native born Canadian, speaking pretty good German.

And it turns out he had taught himself in the concentration camp, through German prisoners to speak and read German.

And so this French-Canadian, who had been a political party leader in Canada of a very large political party before the Second World War, first called the national social Christian movement, then the National Unity Party of Canada, with a swastika under a little beaver.

So he obviously had national sort tendencies. They were somewhat in the vein of [Oswald] Mosley, you could call him a Canadian Mosley. And he proceeded in a tour de force to take me through German history and European history and world history in about three and a half hours that afternoon. And he had memorized, phenomenal memory, all these books, the points that he was illustrating to me, many of them illustrated by jewish authors, some of them dating back 100 years.

I remember one, a book called Unity in Dispersion, about the jewish dispersion and diaspora around. And about Bolshevism, the jewishness of Bolshevism, the early Bolsheviks. Blew my mind! He was the first one to make the connection between Freemasonry and revolutionaries, bankers. What it was a kind of a very condensed march through European history with the aim of showing me that there was a different side to the story! There was the standard, ordinary version of history, which turned out to be the allied propaganda version of history. Then there was very real European history.

And I’ll tell you, after three and a half hours, I walked out of that man’s room, his library. I don’t think to say to “walk out” is a correct description. I “wafted out” of that place! And it is only comparable, I think, to what Christians, born again Christians say when they found Christ, they are born again. Well, let me tell you, Ernst Zundel was born again in 1960!

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, indeed!

Monika Schaefer: Oops, I forgot to unmute.

Thank you very much, Mr Producer, for playing that clip. That indeed, yes, indeed. That was The Voice of Ernst Zundel telling the story of when he was quote, unquote, “born again” with the truth! And like you were saying, Jurgen, then he felt that everything made a lot more sense!

And so from then on, I think it became a mission of his life to restore the honor of the German people. Would you say that that’s basically the theme, the thread of all his actions in the next few decades? Would you say that would be pretty accurate?

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, that would be a very accurate description. As you say, restore the honor, the reputation of the Germans, generally speaking, and of the wartime generation in particular.

Monika Schaefer: Indeed.

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, that’s what he did. So, as I say, he was doing a lot of his activities in the sixties after he met Adrian Arcand.

And then eventually they had some really big problems in Quebec. And so he decided, him and his wife, they decided to move back to Toronto again. So they moved back to Ontario. And he carried on. He said he mailed out all these things.

And eventually, in 1980. Well, yeah, yeah, he was mailing out all these things. And there was big raids on his supporters in Germany.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, let’s just backtrack a little bit here, because that would have already been in the eighties then. I’m not sure.

But let’s just give a little more background for folks who may note, know this. What a big figure Ernst Zundel was.

He was an extraordinary man.

Now, what he was a very successful businessman, you could say. But what his business was he was a graphic artist, right? And he was earning very good money being a graphic artist, because he was an extremely talented man, very good artist.

Jürgen Neumann: Just to show you how good an artist he was, when we were having problems with the JDL* and things, he was in his office and a jewish gentleman came in to pick up his job that Ernst had retouched for him.

[* The Jewish Internet Defense Force was an organization ran social media campaigns from 2,000 to 2014 against websites and Facebook groups that it described as Islamic terrorism or anti-semitism. The group’s website, whose former domain now links to a gambling site, described the JIDF as a “private, independent, non-violent protest organization representing a collective of activists”. The JIDF was termed “hacktivism” by the BBC and Haaretz. Wikipedia]

And while he standing there waiting for us to pack it up, I asked this jewish gentleman:

“How is it that he could deal with Ernst, who has such big notoriety about the Holocaust and all this kind of stuff?”

And his answer was:

“Ahh, that doesn’t mean anything! Because I come from New York. And in New York, we have the best of everything, because we have the money to pay for the best of everything. And here in Toronto, Ernst is New York quality!”

[22:04]

Monika Schaefer: [chuckling] Wonderful! So he was just the best at it. So, okay. He became successful doing that. When was the race, the leadership race for the Liberal Party in which Ernst Zundel participated? Do you know what year that was?

Jürgen Neumann: I believe that was 1978, I think.

Monika Schaefer: Okay. That’s what I thought. I think it was the seventies still or late seventies. Just so the people listening, I think perhaps most of the listeners are not Canadian here. So you may not know this, but Ernst Zundel, he ran for the leadership of the Liberal Party, which was up for grabs at that time. And the winner of that leadership race would automatically land at 24 Sussex Drive, which is the home of the prime minister of Canada.

In other words, it was between elections that, I don’t know the details anymore of why there was a leadership race, who was stepping down and whatnot? Go ahead.

Jürgen Neumann: It was because the prime minister at the time had become very ill. I forget whether he had cancer or something like that. So he wanted to step down. So he was going to resign because of his illness.

And that’s why it was opened up to a leadership race within the party to become leader of the party, which would automatically make that person prime minister of Canada.

Monika Schaefer: Now, this gave Ernst Zundel a stage, a big, big audience. He was talking on the stage. This was in front of, what, 30 or 40,000 people?

And, of course, it also got broadcasted in the not just in Canada, but in other countries. So millions of people got to see and hear Ernst Zundel talk.

And I think his main issue was the treatment of immigrants in Canada, particularly German immigrants. We’re not talking about the kind of immigrants that are coming now who are the invaders, [chuckling] but from all kinds of third world countries. We’re talking about German immigrants at the time, who, it seems to me, the German people, wherever they went, they would work hard. And basically build up the country wherever they went. So yeah. And he didn’t have any expectations of winning, but it did certainly give him a platform from which to speak.

Jürgen Neumann: He did also talk on behalf of Eastern European immigrants, too, as well.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, good. Yes.

Jürgen Neumann: Because they were also looked down upon, generally speaking, in society. So he was also on their side as well.

Monika Schaefer: Right.

So okay, then let’s go forward to kind of the next major thing that happened in Ernst Zundel’s life. Back to you Jürgen.

Jürgen Neumann: As I kind of jump forward there a bit, to 1980, where there was the German government took upon itself to initiate the biggest raid in German history! And that was a raid on over 2,000 of Ernst supporters in Germany. And they raided all their houses, got all their addresses illegally through the post office. And they weren’t nice about it either. So they raided all these people, they were looking for all Ernst Zundel’s material, videotapes, … Well, not video, audio tapes, booklets, newsletters, all those types of things. And they took it away.

And that spilled over into the news here, of course, etcetera. And the jewish community in Toronto decided that they should demonstrate in front of Ernst Zundel’s place to denounce him as a neo-Nazi and a hate monger, all those things. So we got news of this demonstration and we were preparing for it.

And it turns out that one of his supporters was there who had an electronics business, you know, Hi-Fis, turntables, radios, things like that.

And so he said:

“Ernst, they’re going to come and demonstrate. Have you ever thought of video?”

Because he’s already been working with eight millimeter film, already done a few films. And he said:

“Well, I don’t know, I’m really busy right now organizing this stuff.”

He said:

“Well, okay, I’ll go out and I’ll videotape some of this stuff, this demonstration and you can have a look.”

He said:

“Yeah, yeah. Okay.”

So it happened. The guy went out there, he videotaped what he videotaped. And then after it was all over, come back in, and we’re sitting there winding down. And he said:

“Okay, Ernest, would you like to see what I did?”

He said:

“Yeah, okay.”

So he hooked it up to the television, and I remember this like it was yesterday. He pressed play, the video started, and Ernst eyes got big, looked at it, and he said:

“This is the future!”

Monika Schaefer: This is wonderful, wonderful story! [chuckling]

Jürgen Neumann: So he said:

“Oh, yeah, this is great!”

We watched it, etcetera, for a while, watched it. Then he said:

“Okay, well, we’re going to get into this! Who can we get to do the videos?”

So I put up my hand:

“I’ll volunteer. I’ve never done it. I’ve never done this before, but I will volunteer for it!”

Monika Schaefer: Oh, that’s wonderful! Who was it that did the original, that first video? I thought it was you. It was somebody else, was it?

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, it was somebody else did that.

Monika Schaefer: Okay. Okay, great!

But then you volunteered.

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, the video that is up on the Internet, the part where Ernst is sitting there talking about it. I was the camera guy for that. But all the exterior stuff was this other fellow.

Monika Schaefer: Right. But then you put up your hand and you decided:

“Okay, I’ll volunteer. This is great. Okay, here we go!”

Jürgen Neumann: It was actually 1981, in May 31st, as I recall. It was almost like, depending on who, what source you believe. There was about 2,000 demonstrators out front.

Monika Schaefer: Wow!

You know, I think we’re about to go into a break now, Juergens. So we’ll continue this after the break. And this is just getting me on the edge of my seat. It’s just really, really good! I thought I heard the music. Is that music coming on there? Oh, yeah. Okay. Hang on, everybody.

We’ll be back in a few minutes.

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Monika Schaefer: All right, we are back. The Flipside with Monika and our guest Jurgen Neumann. Before I ask you to continue, Jurgen, I’m just going to remind the listeners that if you have the means and if you possibly can, please do support the Republic Broadcasting Network. So go to Republicbroadcasting.org and you will find the means and methods to donate there, telephone numbers and whatnot.

And I’ll also just let you know that I do have a chat room at the Chatango site. And that is The Flipside W Monika dot Chatango.com. And I did, just before the show, I posted Juergen’s BitChute channel there and his alias there is JohnRobinson101 at Bitchute. And he has been working very, very hard Right to this day. I think daily there are new videos that he is posting and many of them are some very old videos. I think he does some upgrading of the sound and whatnot. Improving the sound. And old Ernst Zundel broadcast radio shows that he used to do. A Voice of Freedom, many of those. And Ernst Zundel did a lot of activity and radio interviews and whatnot.

Okay, so just before the break you were starting to talk about, … Actually, what [chuckling] were we talking about, Jürgen? We had gotten into the early eighties, I think. And the firebombing. Not quite firebombing yet, but the protests, that comes later. That’s right, with the trials. But we’re getting almost there to where that did happen. Go ahead.

Jürgen Neumann: We left off where I volunteered to be the video guy.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, yes, yes! [chuckling] That’s right. And all these people were protesting and that’s how that came about. That’s right. Okay, continue please.

Jürgen Neumann: One of the most, just as a kind of an aside, one of the most things that really sticks out to me in that video of the protests out in front of Ernst Zundel’s place was the police. There was a police line there, right to stop anything untoward happening, storming the house or something of that nature. But what really stuck out, it’s 1981, and how the police were dressed, right? They were dressed in slacks and short sleeve shirts. How were the police dressed nowadays?

Monika Schaefer: Well, they’re like.

Jürgen Neumann: Body armor, machine guns, all this stuff.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Jürgen Neumann: Things have changed a lot. And not for the better.

Monika Schaefer: No, that’s right, yeah. And just on that, I would say they are dressed differently now because it is becoming more and more clear that the government is at war against their own people.

And so they do need to be dressed that way because they know that they are at war with their own people. Back then, it was a little bit more hidden and I think we just didn’t know it yet. But all those lies and whatnot, that was setting the scene for what is going on now. But that’s just an aside. But carry on. Go ahead, please.

Jürgen Neumann: So going back one or two years, in 1979, Ernst met the man who turned out to be the world’s foremost revisionist. A Frenchman by the name of Robert Faurisson. He was a Professor at French universities, so on.

So they had, I guess it was the inaugural opening meeting of the Institute for Historical Review, and it was in Chicago. And so Ernst was invited to that. So he went there, he met Faurisson. He had to actually read Faurisson’s paper, everybody, because Faurisson was so tired from all his traveling and stuff that he wasn’t really in much shape. So he asked Ernest if he would do that.

And by talking to Mr Faurisson he realized that Faurisson said to him, he said:

“He’s been looking at this and investigating and everything, this story about the Holocaust.”

And he said:

“He missed the obvious question at the beginning.”

Which he now says. He says:

“We have to look at what is a gas chamber? It doesn’t matter all the other anti-jewish stuff, it doesn’t matter. What matters is the gas chambers. What does it look like?”

Because he’s been to Auschwitz and stuff like that. And when you get down to the real nitty-gritty, there’s not much of a comparison between a real one and what they were talking about in Auschwitz.

So therefore Ernst, he started, of course, promoting this, promoting all that. We actually, a little later on, we did some videos with him about that subject.

Monika Schaefer: With Robert Faurisson, do you mean?

Jürgen Neumann: Yes. First he was given the publication in German called the, it was entitled, I think was Auschwitz Luge, perhaps by a German World War Two veteran by the name of Thies Christopherson.

Monika Schaefer: Right. And that means the Auschwitz Lie.

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah. So he read that and he was blown away by that.

And so he decided he’s going to go and visit Mr Christopherson, which he did. He went there and he discussed it. It turns out that Christopherson had been, he was in the army, 1939, I believe. Yeah, it was 1939, the Polish campaign. He got a bit of a wound and then they considered him to be a non-combat anymore. He wasn’t good enough to fight anymore. He didn’t agree, but they did.

So eventually he had been a farmer and so they got him by 1940 or so, they sent him to Auschwitz as a agronomist, I guess they call them. And he used to study plants, kind of dandelion plants, grow them, because they produce kind of an elastic type of liquid if you crush them and all that. The whole point of Auschwitz was a plant to produce synthetic fuel and rubber for the tires and all that. And so they were going to use this as one of the additives. So he was there for, I think, a year and a half or something.

[41:36]

Monika Schaefer: You don’t say! It was a place where they were producing stuff. It wasn’t just a place where they, [laughing] you know.

Anyway, I’m just interjecting there. [chuckling] Okay, go on.

Jürgen Neumann: Well, the actual Auschwitz plant that they built there is still today the biggest chemical plant being used by the Poles in Poland. [chuckling]

So anyway, so he talked to him. And so that was another thing he started promoting. And not long after that, he was introduced to that booklet, Did Six Million Really Die? And so he was promoting that everywhere.

And because of that, next thing you know, [chuckling] he was invited onto a TV show in Hamilton. It’s called Cherington [The Tom Cherington Show (1983) – https://www. BitChute.com/video/omGAPCI4YOuK /]. The host was a well known fellow, talk show type of deal. And Ernst was invited on there to face the woman who had charged him for his postal hearing. Or did I not mention that yet?

Monika Schaefer: No. Yeah, that’s right. Go ahead. Mention that. [chuckling]

Jürgen Neumann: 1980 postal hearing. He got a letter from the Minister of Posts.

Monika Schaefer: Like you’re talking Canada, Post.

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, Canada, Post. The letter said:

“This is the last letter you will receive.”

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, they were doing something completely unheard of and completely unlawful! And they were cutting off his mail! Which had serious repercussions. It means he wouldn’t get any correspondence, let alone bills that he had to pay. Or for his work, you know, contracts, whatever.

Jürgen Neumann: So, yeah, and we had to go get the electrical bill and the insurance bills and then pay. He’d write out checks, and stuff. We’d have to go back and hand them back into the company because there’s no mail.

So this went on for about a year, until we finally got a hearing. And the hearing was longest one in Canadian history. I think it was about a week long. And the woman who made the charge against him, Sabina Citrone, she brought in a file, kind of a binder, about two, three inches thick, of all kinds of materials. And here’s all the hateful stuff that Ernst Zundel was sending in the mail. Because, you know, he’s trying to get it back. Of course, it’s an appeal.

So we looked at all the stuff. Eventually, it was quite obvious that 99% of what was in that binder had nothing to do with Ernst Zundel. So he hadn’t produced any of it, hadn’t mailed any of it. He didn’t even realize half of it existed.

Monika Schaefer: What was it? They it just put a bunch of other stuff from other people into the binder? Like, was it just, what was it?

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, it was just mostly stuff like KKK type of racist material.

Monika Schaefer: They just put stuff on him basically. They wanted to just smear him by some kind of a association or non-Association or whatever?

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, that he had been mailing this around. Anyway.

Monika Schaefer: Lying! Anyway. Lying! [chuckling]

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah.

Anyway, he won. He won it.

And then they refused to give him a copy of the transcript. But that took him, I forget how many years, ten years or something, to finally be able to look at it, but they wouldn’t give him a copy of it.

So he had his lawyer with him, and she typed out the whole transcript on her laptop, because they wouldn’t give a copy of it.

Monika Schaefer: Wow!

Jürgen Neumann: Anyway, (((Sabina Citrone))), she was the one who’s going to be on this Cherington Show with another lawyer. And Ernst was going to be sitting across from them. And they went to it. And it was a really good show. It was like an hour and a half, I think, something like that. Live. It was really neat. He did very good job.

And then after it was over, we left the studio. We’re sitting in the lobby and you can still you still hear the program running because they had TVs in the lobby and stuff for people who would sit there. And Cherington said:

“Oh, and we’ll guess we’ll see what will happen, because there’s going to be a court case and we’ll see what’s going to happen.”

Monika Schaefer: Oh! Wow!

Jürgen Neumann: And Ernst pricked up his ear and:

“Oh, what? Court case? What’s this?”

Hadn’t heard anything about it.

And sure enough, two days later, along comes the serving of the papers that you have been charged with. Well, actually, they didn’t charge them with “hate” or anything, they just charged them with “spreading false news”.

Monika Schaefer: Right, this spreading false news.

But I find that very interesting, that these television sorts seem to have the inside knowledge of what’s going to happen.

Now, who was putting that into their ear, I wonder? And why did they have that inside knowledge of that Ernst Zundel was going to be charged? I find that very interesting! Wow!

Jürgen Neumann: Anyway, so that went on to his moving ahead to his first trial. Went to court a couple of times, preliminary hearing. Had to fight our way into court. And just that every time we went into court, judges say:

“Oh, the prosecution’s not ready yet. Has to come back.”

He had do that three times, to fight our way into court.

[47:30]

Monika Schaefer: Wow!

And fighting your way into court, just to clarify for people who don’t know, that meant you were kind of running the gauntlet of all these violent thugs!

Jürgen Neumann: Oh, yeah, it was a literal fight. Literally fight! The first one, first two times, there was no police around us. Ernst and us supporters we literally had to fight our way into court. Because, of course, if you didn’t go in, then you’d automatically lose by not appearing in court.

Monika Schaefer: Right.

Jürgen Neumann: The third time, I think they finally brought out a lot of police to try to keep everybody apart.

Monika Schaefer: Right.

Jürgen Neumann: Anyway, and it was during that trial that he first reached out to the revisionist community and said:

“Okay, everybody, now’s your chance! I need witnesses, we need information.”

And that’s when revisionism really got off the ground.

Monika Schaefer: Indeed.

Jürgen Neumann: Because it was broadcast, well, kind of around the world, but certainly in North America for, was it six weeks?

Everyday in the news, the newspapers and everything.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, exactly! And I’ll just interject here briefly. Like, I do remember, that was 1985 and I was a young adult.

And I remember it was daily news. Daily news! But for me at that time, it was kind of just background noise. But I did I didn’t think much of it. I didn’t look into it yet. And I was very much still asleep at the wheel and in The Matrix. But the media, the way they presented things, it. Ernst Zundel sounded like kind of a kooky guy, sort of a madman and a bad man, too. But I didn’t make that judgment of, oh, he’s evil. No, nothing like that. But he just was kind of a:

“Well, wow! Why would somebody do that? What he’s doing? Like the holocaust? I mean, of course it happened!”

You know, it was just as solid as the nose on your face that it happened. That’s how it was for me, my impressions.

But, yeah, it was daily news. Daily news. I mean, you couldn’t not hear about it if you lived in Canada at that time and were not with your head totally in the sand.

But you know what I did find out later when I learned more about it and read about it, if I had looked beyond the headlines, like in the newspapers, for example, if I had actually read the fine print, I would have learned a lot! It was amazing what the newspapers actually did, write! I mean, their headlines, the titles of their articles were very bad!

And a lot of people just skim over the headlines and then they move on to the next page or whatever. But within those articles, there was absolute, like, bombshell! Like it was a bomb. Like it was amazing! It was just blowing their narrative straight out of the like, it was just blowing apart their narrative, really, because they were writing what was actually going on in that trial. Back to you, Juergen.

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, exactly what was happening.

And what was very interesting about it was the court proceedings started at 10:00 am in the morning, and people started lining up to get a seat in the court at 08:00 in the morning to make sure they would get in.

Monika Schaefer: Wow!

Jürgen Neumann: That’s how much interest there was. And one morning, everybody was standing there in the hall outside the courtroom. Big line up there, people waiting. And what comes along, a jewish school class comes in and they usher them right into the courtroom.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, boy!

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah. Oh, boy! Was there a revolution out in the hall! And there was an outcry to such an extent that they removed the school class.

Monika Schaefer: [laughing] I hadn’t heard about this before. Wow! Carry on.

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah. You guys gotta wait your turn like everybody else. That was good. I never thought that they would do that, but they did. So that was good. There was some honesty back then.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Jürgen Neumann: So, yeah, so anyway, it was six weeks or thereabouts, and then there was an appeal, and then the appeal was lost. No, it was won. And then it was up to the Attorney General. Not the Attorney General, but, …

Monika Schaefer: Crown prosecutor?

Jürgen Neumann: No. The main legal head of Ontario.

Monika Schaefer: Right.

Jürgen Neumann: Who to say, either we dropped the whole thing or have another trial. And he said:

“We’re going to have another trial.”

So that turned into the 1988 trial, which had even more information that went on for almost four months.

Monika Schaefer: Right! Now, I’ll just say a couple of words about these trials. The 1985 trial, there were “Holocaust survivors”. I’m putting that in quotation marks. Eyewitnesses on the stand. And did those eyewitnesses come back in 88, or did they have other eyewitnesses in 1988, Juergen?

Jürgen Neumann: No, they did not return, because as far as history goes, it was the first time that former camp inmates were properly cross examined by a lawyer!

Monika Schaefer: Right.

Jürgen Neumann: And what came out guaranteed that they are not going to come back again. [chuckling]

Monika Schaefer: Right. In other words, their testimony was absolutely shredded to bits!

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, absolutely! Totally!

Of course, one of the favorite ones was the fellow who said:

“Oh, yeah they were burning all these jews in Auschwitz. And I could tell. I look at the crematoriums, and the color of the flaming smoke coming out there would tell me the ethnic background of the jews that they were burning that day. Green for Polish jews, and red for Hungarian jews.”

Even the prosecutor kind of hurried that up.

Tried to shut him up.

Monika Schaefer: Because they knew it was just so much garbage. Oh, my goodness!

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Jürgen Neumann: Oh yeah. I mean, even the prosecutor could see that.

Monika Schaefer: Even the prosecutor was kind of embarrassed about that and knew this is not going to bode well for our side if these witnesses are making up such ridiculous garbage! [chuckling] Anyway, it’s pretty funny, that one. Yeah. It’s so unbelievable that it’s hard to believe, but there it is. It’s in the transcripts that got said in court. There are many witnesses [chuckling] that had heard that.

Jürgen Neumann: Oh, yeah. The other interesting thing is, of course, they have a preliminary hearing to see if there’s going to be a trial.

And one of the witnesses at the preliminary hearing before the trial started was Sabrina Citrone, because as a teenager, she was picked up and sent to Auschwitz. So she was there. And in the preliminary hearing, her testimony was such that she didn’t come to the trial. Because her story really didn’t fit well with the holocaust narrative.

Monika Schaefer: Okay. So her, her own handlers advised her:

“You better stay away!”

Is that correct?

Jürgen Neumann: I imagine.

Yeah, if we have enough time. I’ll give you a quick rundown on her story.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah! Please!

Jürgen Neumann: She’s young. She gets scooped up. She gets off the train on the selection ramp at Auschwitz. We know that everybody says:

“Now, you go to the Left, you go to work, you go to right, you go up the chimney. Nobody gets out of Auschwitz except for up the chimney.”

So here’s what she said:

“She gets off, she’s sitting there. And the officer, whoever it is, comes up, says ‘Okay.’ And so he looks at her, ‘Okay, you’re young as well. You go over there with that group who’s going to work.’ And she said, ‘I’m not going to work for you Nazis!”

Paraphrase a little bit:

“Yes, you are! No, I’m not! Yes, you are. No, I’m not. Okay, if you’re not, then you go with that group!”

So she goes off with the other group. What does the other group do?

The other group goes off to the barracks. They get all decked out. And whatever they did, and she hung around and did nothing for a week. Just goofed around, ate, you know, wandered around, did whatever she wanted to do.

And then at the end of the week, her and the rest of the people from that group got put on another train and shipped out of Auschwitz to Germany.

Monika Schaefer: Wow! This is not something.

Jürgen Neumann: Late 1944. But here’s what’s really something. The train that they were on was a regular passenger train.

Monika Schaefer: Hmm. Not a cattle car?

Jürgen Neumann: It was regular passenger trains. She said the only dead jews that she actually saw was as they were driving through part of Germany and the train were attacked by allied fighter bombers.

Monika Schaefer: Right.

Jürgen Neumann: She [words unclear] and some of the jews got killed by the allied fighter bombers.

Monika Schaefer: Juergen, I can see that. I have to have you back soon. We only have about a minute left, and there was so much more to talk about. I mean, your trips to Auschwitz. We didn’t even touch on that. We haven’t really touched on the 1988 Trial and we are just touching the surface here. This is just incredibly interesting, but I want to make sure that people know where to find you. I alluded to it earlier.

Can you just tell us about your BitChute channel and what’s your alias there? How to find you?

Jürgen Neumann: It’s not actually an alias. It’s just the title of the channel.

Monika Schaefer: Okay.

Jürgen Neumann: Anyway, for those who want to get there and have a look at all these things, it’s go to the BitChute platform and type in JohnRobinson101 [https:// www. BitChute.com/channel/pcBHZPgCtR2a]. All one word, and my channel should come up and you could enjoy and be educated.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, that’s fantastic! Yeah. I did say that you had been several times to Auschwitz. But you know what? I would like to have you back. And I do hear the music.

Is there anything else you’d like to say? Just going out words. Yeah.

Jürgen Neumann: One more quickie on my channel. I have over a thousand videos! So you’ve got a lot to look at.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, yes. And it will be a good education. Juergen, thank you so very much for being my guest today. The hour just flew by. That’s a good sign. [chuckling] And I’ll see you all next week. Bye bye for now.

Jürgen Neumann: Bye bye.

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1  Harry October 15, 03:04 How could there not be a decent sounding clip of Ernst Zundel audio? It’s clipping badly like someone amplified the volume all the way up…. And after the clip, she thanked the producer for playing it. Whereas I might have had some choice words… Seriously guys, it’s 2024 and we’ve all been doing this for years, so let’s get things right. I’ve been hearing so many technical errors and downright incompetence, I’m almost starting to think it’s deliberate. As if this is the new controlled opposition, where we won’t necessarily tell lies or conceal the jew, but we WILL be incompetent and waste everyone’s time with technical issues, vulgarity, etc.  Reply to this comment

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The Flipside with Monika – Ep 08 with Alfred Schaefer – Aug 17, 2024 – Transcript

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Monika Schaefer

The Flipside with Monika

Ep 08 with Alfred Schaefer

Sat, Aug 17, 2024

[In this weekly podcast episode 8 on Republic Broadcasting Network, Canadian nationalist and author, Monika Schaefer talks with her brother Alfred about youthful rebellion with examples from their teenage years, …:

Key points include:

• Monica interviews her brother Alfred about their rebellious youth and current societal issues.

• They discuss how their parents disapproved of rock music, with Monika saying “Dad was just disgusted by the music that we chose to listen to.”

• Alfred claims the Beatles were “an absolute artificial construct imposed on us by their handlers.”

• They talk about the Laurel Canyon music scene and its alleged connections to military intelligence.

• Monika mentions her past arguments with her father about tolerance for homosexuality, saying “I just didn’t see the harm in it back then.”

• They describe the progression of LGBTQ acceptance as going through stages, ending with “total conquest.”

• They discuss how men’s hairstyles were a point of contention with their parents in the 1970s.

• Alfred shaved his head as an act of rebellion, which Monika describes as “so shocking.”

• They talk about Alfred getting arrested for marijuana possession, which upset their parents greatly.

• A caller named Chance shares his experiences with rebellious youth and criticizes modern (c)rap music.

• Alfred refers to (c)rap as “pure jewish imposed destruction.”

• Another caller, Misty, shares a story about a 6-year-old girl saying “I think I’m a boy” after starting school.

• They discuss the dangers of transgender ideology being pushed on children in schools.

• Monika mentions Canadian legislation making “conversion therapy” illegal, saying “you are doing the crime” if you counsel a child against transitioning.

• They advocate for homeschooling to protect children from indoctrination.

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Monika Schaefer: Greetings. Good day. Good evening.

Hello, everyone. It is August 17, 2024. You are tuned in to Republic Broadcasting Network, and this is your host, Monika Schaefer. And it’s episode eight of The Flipside with Monika. And before I introduce my guest I’ll just give you the numbers for calling in after the bottom of the hour, which we’ll invite people to do so after the bottom of the hour. 512-248-8252 or 1800 313 9443.

Okay, so today I’m going to have my brother Alfred on for the second time on this show, and I’m just reading the note here. Okay, so, great! So, Alfred, are you there? Can you hear me?

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah, Monika. And thanks for inviting me back on. There’s so much happening. Things are moving so fast. I’m glad we’re having this conversation again.

Monika Schaefer: Okay. [chuckling] Yeah, I know. Last time we talked about some good stories that you had that you related to current events, which was really, really cool! The ice skating story and sailing story. And this time, we’re again, going to cover some topics that we don’t generally talk about when we’re invited onto other folks talk shows and videos and etcetera. But since we are brother and sister team here and we grew up together and have a lot of history behind us, we can talk about these things.

And this is a topic that we’ve discussed quite often, and that is the topic of our, perhaps you could call it “rebelliousness”, in our youth. I think that we were not alone in being somewhat rebellious. You were in particular, you were the rebel of the family. I have to say, [chuckling] of the five kids, you were the most rebellious! And just some of the influences that were in our lives and some of the things that we really bumped heads with our parents on some of the topics. I know I had some big arguments with dad about some big topics that now I see that he was right on.

And, yeah, so let’s get into it. We discussed a few specific items, and we could talk about were these things just organic, or were they synthetic? You know, were these influences put upon us? And we just had no idea. We were in our, you know, teenage years. And beyond and just thought:

“Wow, this is just the way it is. You know, we rebel [chuckling] against our parents!”

Alfred Schaefer: So, yeah, you know, can I say a few words? Much of the rebellion, we now realize so many years later, they were basically engineered by the (((eternal destroyer))) by making those things that our parents thought were the most normal, whether it was dress code, whether it was our style of hair, whatever it was, mocking it, making it, like, ridiculing it.

It’s right in line with the attempts, just more recently, of the slogans in German, it would be Oma, Oma Umweltschwein [sp], which was a slogan from the Fridays for a Future kind of movement, which tried to drive a wedge between the young people like the teenagers and younger and so forth, against their parents by calling their grandmothers absolute environmental pigs kind of thing. Environmental destroyers, Oma, Oma Umweltschwein!

Monika Schaefer: That’s a good one, Alfred. I didn’t actually hear about that. Yeah, an environmental pig.

So the grandma is using up all the resources. So grandma is bad. Well. So oh, my goodness, that’s so interesting! So in our day, when we were young, I mean, probably the thing that I remember that our parents were just so unhappy about was the music we were listening to the pop, the rock and roll music. They, especially dad, he just absolutely could not stand it! And we bought records for each other at Christmas time and whatnot, and it was good old rock and roll, and we really liked it, and they did not like it!

And, I mean, the music that they were playing that we would hear on Sunday mornings kind of thing, it was either classical music or, I do remember, Bavarian folk music. A lot of that. I loved that. I just love that stuff. And the classical music, I have to say, it went right into my bloodstream. I loved that, too!

However, I didn’t fully realize how deeply my appreciation for that was nurtured until later. Until much later, actually. Then I realized, wow, this is really deep in my blood.

But anyway, why don’t you talk a little bit about the pop music? Because I know that you have had since done some research about that, and you even included some information about that in some of your very educational videos that you had posted. Go ahead.

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah, what we were listening to back then, well, I’ll just give you an example. The Beatles, for example. I remember how they were hyped up to be, oh, the mega stars!

And yet now we find out that now, if I listen to some of that old Beatles music, It’s finding obnoxious, actually, quite honestly, I don’t like it.

And at that time, though, we thought:

“Oh, if we didn’t like it, we’re supposed to like it.”

So we began to like it because that was hyped up as the passion. Everybody was listening to it.

So the entire type of music came out of the Frankfurt School, where, I don’t want to go into all the details of that, but the Beatles, it turns out, were basically an absolute artificial construct imposed on us by their handlers, if you will, like the Adorno kind of thing. And whether it was the lyrics, whether it was the music, whether it was the off note, like, there wasn’t real harmony in it. It was just like anybody who, in a natural environment and you heard their music, you’d probably run away, because it was, …

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Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I mean, the Beatles was still very, very tame, I would say. And some of their music was actually very melodious, I thought, anyway. But I suppose I didn’t listen to all of it, or a lot of it, and that what I did here was pretty good.

But, you know what came later, and I’m not sure the timeline of this, if it did indeed come later, but the canyon, Laurel Canyon. I read a book not too long ago about Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon* and all the musicians that came through the canyon, Laurel Canyon, sort of a suburb of, I believe, Los Angeles area, and it was right by a military base, too, where they were doing I don’t know, some kind of secret intelligence type of stuff. I don’t remember all the details, but that was artificially constructed. All these musicians that went through there.

[* Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & the Dark Heart of the Hippie Dream

https:// www.goodreads.com/book/show/18617616-weird-scenes-inside-the-canyon

David McGowan, Nick Bryant (Foreword)

Laurel Canyon in the 1960s and early 1970s was a magical place where a dizzying array of musical artists congregated to create much of the music that provided the soundtrack to those turbulent times. Members of bands like the Byrds, the Doors, Buffalo Springfield, the Monkees, the Beach Boys, the Turtles, the Eagles, the Flying Burrito Brothers, Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention, Steppenwolf, CSN, Three Dog Night and Love, along with other singer/songwriters as Joni Mitchell, Judy Collins, James Taylor and Carole King, lived together and jammed together in the bucolic community nestled in the Hollywood Hills.

But there was a dark side to that scene as well.

Many didn’t make it out alive, and many deaths remain shrouded in mystery to this day. Far more integrated into the scene than most would like to admit was a guy by the name of Charles Manson, along with his murderous entourage. Also floating about the periphery were various political operatives, up-and-coming politicians and intelligence personnel—the same sort of people who gave birth to many of the rock stars populating the canyon. And all the canyon’s colorful characters—rock stars, hippies, murderers and politicos—happily coexisted alongside a covert military installation.

Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon is the very strange, but nevertheless true story of the dark underbelly of a hippie utopia.]

I mean, the influences the drugs and rock and roll and free love and sex and all that stuff that came. I think the Beatles was the beginning of it, but it was relatively tame. I mean, they couldn’t start all at once with what then, you know, came a little bit later, I think. Anyway, that’s just my opinion.

Alfred Schaefer: Yes.

Monika Schaefer: I’m not an expert on this, but I just wanted to touch on that, because it’s something that caused a lot of strife in our home, the music.

I mean, I never forget. Dad was just disgusted by the music that we chose to listen to. So that was one aspect.

Then I want to move on to something that I had many arguments with dad about, and I think you had already left home. You’re older than me, so you had left home by this time. But it was just the beginnings of the “plea for tolerance”. That’s how it starts. The plea for tolerance for homosexuality. Okay. So I used to just think:

“Hmm, live and let live. Love and let love!”

That was kind of my own little slogan that I made up.

And I remember dad, he was really just so opposed to any kind of you know, tolerance for this new lifestyle that seemed to be pushed.

And I think a lot of the stories they brought in the mainstream media about gays being lynched and gays being, you know, hard done by this and that and happening to them, I think just like they lie to us today about events and things, they make things up. I bet you they made a lot of that up then, too, to make us feel sorry for these poor, oppressed people who just because they want to love somebody of their own sex, that others were beating them up or murdering them and whatnot. I don’t know. I’m just guessing, Alfred. But that’s something that I had arguments with dad about. Not that I had any tendencies towards homosexuality at all!

However, I just didn’t see the harm in it back then. But there are these five stages in this process.

The first is the plea for tolerance. Second is the plea for acceptance. The third is the plea for normalization. The fourth is the demand for compliance. And the fifth stage is total conquest!

I don’t know. Where do you think we’re at right now, Alfred, with this LGBTQ agenda?

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah, well, we are with the LBGTQ and XYZ agenda, the same as with all the other components of this vilific or I or rotting out, destroying our roots, our culture. And it is at this point where we have now learned and understood how this has been engineered into us. I like the five steps that you just mentioned. That’s very important to understand.

That’s how they do that with everything, whether it’s our accepting just everything, everything that’s gone wrong in our society now was imposed or was brought in slowly and then ramped up, increased until it was mandatory to accept that and comply with that you know, and if you have an entire population that doesn’t have any roots anymore because they’ve all been nibbled away and destroyed, then we are a mass of atomized individuals, not able to co-ordinate any kind of a resistance to our own subjugation. And that’s where we find ourselves now.

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Monika Schaefer: And, yeah, I find that when they start out with the like you say, it applies to many, many aspects of their demoralization of our people. And it’s a full spectrum warfare. But they always start out with, you could say, “nice packaging”. Nice packaging. The packaging sounds really good. So at that time, the packaging would have been:

“Hey, you know, they’re not harming anybody and they’re being discriminated against. They’re being oppressed. They’re not just being discriminated against, they’re being beat up! You know, they’re being treated badly. And we don’t want to be like that! We’re not meanies. We’re nice people, so we should just tolerate them.”

And so the packaging is nice. Same thing with the packaging for the feminist agenda. It’s very nice packaging. It sounds good. Like, yeah, equal opportunities for equal work or whatever, and we’re all equal. Equal! Equal! You know, this sounds reasonable, doesn’t it? Like, I mean, me as a woman, I thought:

“Well, that sounds okay.”

But not understanding, until more recently what actually the feminist agenda is. And it’s just a completely disruptive and destructive agenda! And it pits men and women against each other, rather than the natural order in which we complement each other.

And also the fact that we are very different from one another. That is just a natural and biological fact. But the packaging is always good.

And, I mean, that makes me think of the packaging of the Green Party, and I call it the “Watermelon Party”. It’s all green on the outside, but red on the inside. Very Communist Party. But, gee, I got totally sucked in by the Green Party. It sounded so good!

Alfred Schaefer: Let me just add a few words there, Monika. Is that a big part of them imposing this agenda on us is by packaging this deviant behavior, if you will, like, for a man to put his penis into another man’s rectum is not normal, actually. Even if throughout history, there’s always been deviants who have done that, but it’s not actually called normal behavior.

And yet they make us believe through the propaganda that this deviant behavior is that if we attack it or vilify it or impose sanctions on it is as if you impose sanctions on someone who has, let’s say, a broken arm or something, or is down with a flu or something like that. Or they try to package it and make us look like we’re meanies, like we’re just meanies!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah!

Alfred Schaefer: But it’s not the case. They make it impossible for us to have guidelines for proper behavior because there’s no such thing anymore as proper behavior. You can do anything you want. And beware he who tries to stop anybody from behaving any way they want. This is where we are today. That’s why we have the crumbling of our civilization as we see before our eyes now, is because we have lost our direction. We have lost our guidelines, our rules, our structure in which we used to live as a civilized state.

Monika Schaefer: Excellent point. Excellent points. Like we’ve lost our moral compass. There is no moral compass. It’s just all over the place. Anything goes!

And back to bringing it back home to dad. I mean, he was a practical man in the sense that he told us about how dreadfully unhealthy the homosexual behavior was. Like we’re talking physical health. We’re not just talking the mental deviance of it and the sickness of it, because really, you can call it a mental illness. Instead, in their propaganda, they called us sick or mentally ill. Those of us who don’t like this or don’t think that it should exist. If we’re saying that they are mentally ill. No, they’re reversing it and calling us mentally ill for doing that!

But no, he talked about the actual diseases that would happen because of this very abnormal, unhealthy behavior of putting the penis where it should never go. I mean, really, that is disgusting and sick!

So anyway, let’s get on to the next subject. And you touched on it a few minutes ago, and just “hair”. I mean, oh my goodness, did we ever have battles in our home about the boy’s hair? You and our other brother.

And at that time, when you were in high school, that was in the seventies, mid seventies, there were no men that even had their ears showing. Even men in business suits, you know, who were bankers or whatever at that time. It was just generally that the men’s hair was longer. But the guys in school, like you guys, I mean, you were wearing your hair way longer, like down below the neck or whatever. At least our other brother was, anyway. But tell us about your little adventure there. [chuckling]

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah, I remember. Okay. We used to, as you know, when I was a little boy there kind of thing, you know, grade two, three, four and so forth. My mom, of course, would give us the hair cut as German boys would have their hair done all the time in Germany.

And that was basically fairly short all around the ears. And then up on top you’d have a bit of longer hair, but all nice and quite short. And this, the term or the mocking that was introduced to make that absolutely impossible for a young boy to wear was:

“A bowl cut! Ha ha ha! He’s got a bowl cut!”

So a bowl cut was mocking the typical German hairstyle. And nowadays, of course, you see it a lot now when people are waking up now, they’re carrying bowl cuts which were mocked back in those days.

And another club or hammer that they used to have us to leave behind our traditional haircuts was the Beatles with the Beatle look. I don’t know what they, there was a name for the way they wore their hair, but that was a huge propaganda effort and succeeded very well to make the Beatles cut, where they all had their big mane of hair kind of thing. And that was a big effort there to get us completely going in a different direction. That would detach us from whatever our parents generation considered normal and that they were used to that was a big, major driving a major wedge into that part of our behavior, basically.

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Monika Schaefer: And it is. It’s sort of this generational divide, right? I mean, it sounds innocent enough. The length or shortness of your hair is not going to affect you in any kind of a biological way, or a health way or anything like that. But it was a big battle. It was just, it was a huge battle.

Now, nowadays, I don’t think the young people would really be able to have an understanding for what a big issue it was back then, because now anything goes as far as hair. You could have it shaved, you could have it long, you could have it short, like a nice cut, you could do anything now, and it’s, it doesn’t matter. But back then it was very, ah! It was just so, how would you say, just uniform, like everybody kind of was driven in one direction to have their hair a certain way.

Now, I want to tell a little story, if you don’t mind, Alfred, about what you did when you were, I think it was grade eleven. You were, I think, grade eleven age, [chuckling] and you came home one day and you said:

“Okay, mom, yeah, give me haircut!”

You’re sort of submitting, right? You’re going to get the short haircut.

Actually, you said to her:

“Shave it off!”

Well, mom refused to shave it off. She wasn’t going to do that to her boy. She was going to give you good haircuts. So she cut it short. But then you handed the shaver thing to our sister and said:

“Okay, you do the rest of it. You just shave it off!”

So she did. [chuckling] And this was at a time, like I say, you didn’t see men’s ears showing, even the guys in suits and ties. And it was just so shocking that the next morning when I woke up after a night’s sleep, I honestly had to go running to your bedroom to check if it was just a dream that I had had, because that’s how shocking it was. [chuckling] And so surprising. Like, you did nothing, see boys or men that had just shaved their head off. I mean, unless they were old men that were bald or something. [chuckling]

So you did that. It was kind of an act of rebellion. Funny that, eh, Alfred? That you were a little bit rebellious, [chuckling] but anyway, do you want to talk about that?

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. Now in hindsight, I can’t even remember what actually motivated me to do that. But, yeah, it was just general rebellion. I guess it was getting fed up with just, …

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. The timing of that was very close to the timing of something else that happened. And when this happened to young people, it was kind of a bad stain because you’d have a record. But you got caught, you got busted with a little bit of marijuana, you and a bunch of other people in a van, and then you got held, you got thrown into jail, and dad had been out of town, and then he got home, had not yet seen you with your shaved head.

And I think you also picked up a big, long, black trench coat from the salvation army place, and he had to go get you out, like on bail or something.

Alfred Schaefer: Yes, correct.

Monika Schaefer: He had to go get you out of jail. And this must have nearly given him a heart attack! There he goes to get his son, who’s newly shaven, in a long, black trench coat, out of jail!

I mean, this was just the most shocking thing for our poor parents, who had to go through a lot with our rebellious years. Particularly yours! [chuckling]

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. For our parents, our rebellious behavior was absolutely a shock! How could it be? Why are they misbehaving this way? And I guess I was the worst of the of us kind of thing at that point. It’s a little bit like if the parents nowadays, before they get shocked, what their kids do, I don’t know if anything can shock them anymore because of the depraved way our society has become.

Monika Schaefer: Well, I would say that the biggest shock now for parents, or let me turn that around. I think that when the young people come to their parents with their lover, their partner, who they want to be with, the parents are deeply, deeply relieved if it is a partner of the opposite sex.

So I think these days, the big shock comes for parents, perhaps. I’m thinking it would be. The big shock would be if your child is going to have a either a homosexual relationship or worse than that, tell the parents:

“Well, I’ve just cut off my penis or I’m going to switch into the other sex because I don’t. I was born in the wrong body!”

Probably that’s the perhaps nowadays, which is infinitely worse. Right?

[26:28]

Alfred Schaefer: There are people nowadays, Monika, they really try to drive the children into taking that route, a sex change through hormonal intake and even surgical move. And then they actually have gone so far as to pressure or even sanction parents who interfere with that.

And yet it turns out that all these people who have the children who do that, most of them commit suicide not long after because it’s not normal for children at a certain age when they get into puberty, they get rebellious, they want to do this or that, different than, you know what is customary.

But when children are allowed to opt out for a sex change, you might as well give them a pistol and they can shoot themselves in the head. That is a permanent, it’s death for them in the end, because whatever is driving them to go there, nothing of that is resolved.

And then they think:

“Oh, if little girl thinks, if I’m a boy, they can design me a little penis there or something, everything’s going to be good!”

Nothing’s going to be good afterwards. The problems are going to be so much worse afterwards. It’s not something they can just sort of get out of this age of getting into puberty and then everything is good again. If they do a measure like that, or a boy cuts off his penis, well, he might as well go and commit suicide. This is the level that we have come to in this “everything’s okay” because nothing is okay at the point where we find ourselves today.

Monika Schaefer: Absolutely! Like those things now that the children, well, might be upsetting the parents about are more permanent things. And I’d like to talk about who’s driving this. Do you think this is just natural and normal that kids rebel against their parents generation? Do you think that’s just normal? I don’t think so.

Alfred Schaefer: It is all driven by this Frankfurt School, as they call it, you know how to subvert, how to clip the roots of the plant that you want to kill, how to chop, to nibble at the roots of the tree. As they say, a tree without roots, the slightest wind comes along and it falls over. This is what’s happened to our once great civilization. And we either re-grow our roots, we find our history, or we will be going down!

And we are now at a very, very critical point in this time.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, that’s a very good analogy about the tree. If you cut the roots of a tree, in other words, you cut our ties to our ancestors, then you kill the tree.

And I do hear the music now.

And so we’ll see you after the break.

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Monika Schaefer: All right, I think I’ll bring us back in. I usually let the music go a little bit longer, but we just have so much to talk about. And, yeah, we had a good chat in the break here, and so I just wanted to carry on with that.

You know, we talked about the suicide rate of children who, after they’ve had their bodies mutilated, that they aren’t happy with that it’s interesting to note that we never hear about those suicides, but on the contrary, how do they get parents to go along with this sick agenda? Is they scare, they frighten the parents into saying that:

“Oh, if your child feels that your child has been born in the wrong body, they will commit suicide if you don’t go along with this agenda!”

You see? So that’s their tactics. They reverse everything.

Anyway and then, Alfred, you had mentioned during the break that I should bring up Laurel Canyon again.

One of the things we mentioned was that how many of the musicians there that were actually put together into bands were sons and daughters of military folks and military folks in high, high places like Jim Morrison of The Doors. He was the son of a very high ranking military guy. And there were many, many others. Yeah, why don’t you talk a little bit more about that?

Alfred Schaefer: There was a time when so many of our rock and roll heroes seemed to all die in, through overdose of drugs or something, or at age 27. And what was happening in the background, which we did not, where we were not aware of it at all at that time was people like Jim Morrison from The Doors. These people were basically at the beginning, I believe the story that I had read or understood was he didn’t consider himself a musician at all! And they said:

“Qu no, no! We’ll get you’ll be a star. Let us manage you. No problem!”

So, of course, a youngster at that age being promised to be able to use the finest studio equipment to practice, and somebody’s got a team going to make something out of him. Well, who’s not going to do it?

Of course the average guy will go along with it, of course. So then these guys like Jim Morrison did, you know, became a real star. I loved that. I loved The Doors back then.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, me too.

Alfred Schaefer: And then they start to figure out what the agenda, or ever more of the agenda behind what has made them a hero. And they start asking questions, started thinking about it, and then they become dangerous for the system.

And he’s not the only one who was suddenly dead at age 27, a typical age kind of thing. And I would say that is because you get them at very young age, start making them the stars that they will then become, because you’re promoting them through all your Avenues and you’re giving them lots of drill and training at this thing, rock and roll music.

And then they start asking too many questions, and then they become dangerous. And at 27, I guess that’s the age when you do start asking more and more questions.

[40:09]

Monika Schaefer: Well, it did seem odd that, and I don’t remember at what age who died when, but I just remember thinking, geez, there’s so many of them that happen to die at 27.

And I don’t know if there was something sinister behind that or if, like you say, it just was a coincidence that that’s the age they were at. I don’t know.

But anyway, shall we take our first caller, Chance from West Virginia?

Chance: Hello, and Guten Arban to you, Schaefer kids!

Monika Schaefer: Guten Arban!

Chance: You know, I hope you don’t mind. You brought back some memories for me, too.

I was born in 1960, and I had the long hair then. And I listened to the rock music. Used to drive my poor daddy crazy in the late sixties and all through the seventies. Yeah, you know, another thing with the long hair, you’ll get a kick out of these stories. I’m about the age of you guys. I had really long hair as a teenager, and my daddy would say to me:

“Why don’t you get a haircut? You look like something straight out of Haight-Ashbury!”

Monika Schaefer: Out of where? Sorry.

Chance: Haight-Ashbury. San Francisco, during the hippie age.

Monika Schaefer: Okay.

Chance: Yeah, but my mama had more attacks. See, my sweet mama used to say this. That’s how my daddy handled it. He was from Eastern Europe. But my mama, my mama had more tact. [chuckling] She used to say:

“You’re so handsome. You would look so much better with a shorter haircut!”

That’s [chuckling] mama for you. That’s a mama for you! You brought back those memories because they all passed on. I was the only one with the long hair and a rock and roller. My baby brother, God rest his soul, he kept his hair short. And I was a rebel of the family. Yeah, but talking about the music now, I still like classic rock. I’ll be honest with you.

I was born in 60, but I also like all kinds of music. The only kinds of I could listen to every. I have a ridiculous music collection, all different genres. But the only thing I can’t understand is how White people, even people close to my age, can listen to that filthy hip hop that shouts rhymes and every other word is an F word. And I say to myself:

“Wow! Of all the different genres of music, I could detect talent, whether it’s vocal talent, instrumental talent. I don’t care what genre it is, whether its country rock, Motown, real reggae. But with this crap, I says, all it is is rhyming, shouting rhymed words, and every other word is a vulgarity!”

So how could people, especially White people, actually listen to this? And it shows me the degradation that White people have as a whole, have fell to.

Monika Schaefer: You’re so right. Yeah.

Chance: I’ll be honest with you, looking back now, my entire family has passed on and but now I find myself looking at the younger folks the way I guess my daddy looked at me in a way, but for different reasons. I says, wow! Because even though, all right, some of the rock music was a little loud, but it was my thing back then. You know, I even played guitar and stuff.

But now they would be totally shocked hearing this rap music where every other word is. I don’t even want to mention the words. I mean, I don’t have the keenest mouth around myself, but my God, what’s in this music is, … It’s every other word!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I agree, Chance. I mean, that the some of the rap, and it’s just basic screaming and a lot of very hateful stuff in there. [chuckling] It’s just like, pretty bad.

And I also have to say I still listen to some rock and roll. I enjoy it. I also very much appreciate the classical music and the folk music. Folk music is just like wonderful, traditional stuff.

Chance: I got such a huge music collection. I have everything. I have Motown. I have rock, country, real reggae. Back Bob Marley days and Peter Tosh and easy listening, Engelbert Humperdinck, Tom Jones. You know, I listen to everything., …

Monika Schaefer: So, Alfred, did you want to make a comment to anything that Chance was saying?

Alfred Schaefer: Yes. The rap music that chance is talking about, Doctor William Luther Pierce calls that the negro, basically destructive negro music.

But it’s not even native to the negroes. This is pure jewish imposed destruction where people can vent their hatred and primitive. It’s just primitive! It’s basically tearing everything apart.

Chance: It’s ghetto music, Alfred.

Alfred Schaefer: It’s ghetto music!

Chance: Yeah. Now, I moved here to West Virginia about 15 years ago from the New York metropolitan area. Okay? And I heard that up there. But when I came here, I was shocked to hear people play it on jukeboxes here, young people. And I says:

“Wow, I can’t believe!”

Not all, not as much. I mean, up in the New York area, you had the cars with the boomboxes. That was horrendous! You know, I don’t hear that here.

But when you go to a public place or something, you’ll hear young people, White people. And I says:

“Wow, I can understand this!”

It actually infected rural areas.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Chance: To make matters worse, people in their fifties, some of them listen to it, and I just can’t understand. I don’t know. Now, don’t get me wrong, but more than I would have imagined when I moved here to this state.

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Monika Schaefer: Yeah, it is. Go ahead, Alfred.

Alfred Schaefer: The jews know the power of media over us, over driving us to believe certain things. And this type of music has been, through advertising and stories and lies and so forth, we have been led to believe that it is somehow “cool”, somehow “modern”. You know, these are the words that they use to get us to swing us in that direction, to drive us in that direction, away from what our true, what we actually think if we didn’t have these blaring messages of this is the way we’re supposed to be. So you get White people thinking somehow that:

“Oh, the negroes and their way of walking and talking and behaving is somehow cool, and we are somehow uncool!”

So they want to imitate that what is taking us down, driving us down.

Chance: Yes. Now, folks, two more very quick comments. I’ve noticed, it’s shocking how vulnerable Whites can be to fads and trends, without thinking, without using their mind.

Now, I remember the day in the late sixties, early seventies, when White and black people both liked Motown, everything was nice. Everybody appreciated it. And Motown was mostly black, but it was great music, right? Whites and blacks both liked it. And there was anti-war songs that were being sung by White rock bands, by soul groups, by R&B groups. You don’t hear any of that now. Now you just hear a music being ghettoized rather than bringing people together. I don’t see it bringing people together. I see it ghettoizing people.

Monika Schaefer: Very good point you make. I do believe that it is meant to do exactly that. What you’re saying, it atomizes us.

Now, Chance, we do have another caller on the line, so do you have any final, brief comments before we let you go?

Chance: No, that’s it. Gutenaben!

Monika Schaefer: Gutenaben, thank you so much for your call. Thank you for your input. Okay, could we have Misty from Kansas?

Misty: Hello.

Monika Schaefer: Hi, there. You’re on the air.

Misty: Hi. Loving you two together. This is a great show. And I just want to say that I appreciate the your views on the experience you experienced, where you were from.

But, I want to say. You know what I’m saying? I like hearing y’all’s history. It’s excellent! Truth. Powerful. Okay.

But going back to the transgender weirdness, I have a friend that has a granddaughter, and she’s six years old. Started her first day of school in the first grade, and all of a sudden, this baby girl comes home and says:

“I think I’m a boy.”

Monika Schaefer: Oh!

Misty: Oh, yes. Truth.

Monika Schaefer: Unbelievable! In grade one.

Misty: Yes, ma’am. Yes, ma’am. Here in the States. And the person told me about this. And they said:

“Well.”

I said:

“Well, you know what happened?”

Well, they decided to ground the little girl for a week. Ground her because, …

Monika Schaefer: Keep her out of school? Is that what you mean? Like, keep her out of school?

Misty: No, no. She was grounded because the parents decided that’s not acceptable behavior. So my question was, why is the baby being punished?

Monika Schaefer: Yeah

Misty: And why ain’t you going at the school? And apparently, the child would not say where she came up with this.

And what I’m saying, how they do now out here in the States. They will threaten you now, if you don’t go with the program, we’ll just take your kid.

Monika Schaefer: Yes. It’s happening in Canada, too. I hate to say it, but parents are being criminalized for going against this agenda, and it is just causing absolute havoc! And oftentimes, it’ll cause marriage break-ups because one parent will be supportive of the child, they say, you know, for the child to mutilate him or herself and the other parent is just totally against it! And they’ll criminalize that parent who is against it. And it just is causing havoc! And you just wonder, wow! How is this happening? I mean, is this just natural? Is this organic?

So what do you think?

Alfred Schaefer: Can I say something? Yeah. Thanks, Misty. That’s very important, what you have been, what you’re telling us, and that is happening all over the place. In a healthy society, a teacher in an institution that let’s something like that happen. The little six year old confused about the gender, that teacher, that the parents would go there and that teacher would be strung up on the next tree. Nobody would allow that to fly. That is absolutely! It is our obligation, our holy obligation to ensure the healthy conditioning or environment for our most vulnerable. And these are these little children. Every little child can be brought to believe or question:

“Oh, maybe I’m this? Maybe I’m that?”

And then for the authorities, so-called “authorities”, the authorities that should not be, to force us to let them do that is absolutely outrageous!

And I like your comment also that, well, why didn’t they go to the school and rectify the situation there instead of grounding the poor little girl? And they should have started telling the girl:

“No, you are a girl. And what makes you think otherwise? What is the problem?”

Yeah, that’s the approach that should have been taken. That needs to be taken. And I would be delighted to hear of incidents where people will go to the school and string up these people that are doing that. And forget about the fear mongering. This is what we have to start seeing now.

Misty: Amen. I agree 100%.

At the same time, I live in an area, and it doesn’t matter where you live, home-school those children! Get them out of it! Jesus! It’s not that hard.

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Monika Schaefer: If that’s the biggest message we could put out in this entire hour, that would be it. Take them out of the schools.

Misty: [words unclear] planting gardens, whatever. They don’t need to be indoctrinated!

And at the same time, I look at the parent and I go:

“Why the heck are you going to keep this child, brand new baby, into this system when she comes home with this?”

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. So, Misty, I agree with you 100%. And the trouble is, we are just so trusting. And most people have no idea how quickly the school system has degraded.

And, I mean, there were already these influences in our youth which we talked about on this show today, and that was just the beginnings, you know, those were the beginnings. And that was very mild in comparison to what is going on now. And it’s this induced, well, you could say this division between the children and their parents. It’s the mutilation of the children. They do these things behind the parents backs. They get the children onto these hormone therapies behind the parents backs.

I mean, when the Covid came out, they vaccinated children behind the parents backs at a certain age, I think age twelve or something.

I’ll tell you something else. Since 2022, we have legislation here in Canada making conversion therapy illegal! Now I will just explain that. It is the opposite of what it sounds like. To me, that sounds like you’re making it illegal to let people convert children or to convert somebody. Convert somebody to the opposite sex. No, it’s the opposite!

So if you want to coach or counsel a child who comes home from school like the one you just described, and you want to coach that child and say:

“No, no, no, you are a girl and this is just something that’s been put into your head. Stop that nonsense!”

Then you are doing the crime! And this is now a crime in Canada to actually give counseling to a child to put them right again.

Misty: People better just, how about. [words unclear] Don’t you agree? I’m sorry. This is a touchy subject.

Monika Schaefer: We just have a minute left, so please make your comments quick because then I’ll have to close out the show. Okay.

Misty: Well, I just appreciate you all. Thank you very much.

Monika Schaefer: Thank you for calling and thank you for sharing that story. It was very, very important.

Something I do want to say to folks. Please do support Republic Broadcasting Network. You can go to the website if you’re not already on its Republicbroadcasting.org. There is the information there for how you can support them, support the sponsors. Now if you have the means, please do that if you don’t have the means, you can always share these programs, these shows. That is another way of supporting Republic Broadcasting Network. It’s very, very important because we get accused sometimes of just preaching to the choir. Well, let’s not just preach to the choir. Share these programs. If there’s something you liked in it and other shows, then that’s what you can do. And Alfred, thanks. Do you want to say a final word while the music is going?

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. Thanks. And like Monika says, let’s all do our part for getting this right.

Monika Schaefer: All right.

Thank you so much for joining. It’s the middle of the night for you, and we’ll see you all next week.

Thank you very much. Bye bye.

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Monika Schaefer – The Flipside with Monika – Ep 04 with Oscar – Jul 20, 2024 – Transcript

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Monika Schaefer

The Flipside with Monika

Ep 04 with Oscar

Sat, Jul 20, 2024

[In this weekly podcast episode on Republic Broadcasting Network, Canadian nationalist and author, Monika Schaefer talks with long time fellow Canadian nationalist and founding member of the Truth and Justice for Germans Society, Oscar.

This discuss historical events, especially WWII, the “Holocaust”, 9/11, conspiracy theories, the demonization of Germans, race relations, democracy, nutrition, etc., from the perspective that we have been deceived about these topics, by the (((usual suspects))).

And btw, Monika very graciously gives myself and this blog a plug! Thank you Monika!

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Monika Schaefer: Good evening. It is Saturday, the 20th of July in the year 2024, and you are tuned into the Republic Broadcasting Network. I am your host, Monika Schaefer, and this is episode four of The Flipside with Monika. I’d like to encourage you, first of all, if you have the means, to support RBN. It does cost money to run a network such as this and they are doing a summer fundraiser in which you can get something in return for your donation. Well, you always get something in return. That is a wonderful free speech network!

But more specifically, they do have some special T-shirts to give away. You can find the information how to donate like the telephone number on their website, Republicbroadcasting.org. Before I introduce today’s guest, and I am hoping he does show up, I just talked to him less than 2 hours ago, but I think we’re having a hard time reaching him right now.

But anyway, before I do that, I have some other things to say. So I’d like to give a shout out to a patriot whose online persona is Katana. He has a website, katana17.com. And I’ve been acquainted with Katana since just days after I made my video in 2016. That was that fateful video called Sorry Mom, I Was Wrong About the Holocaust. And the reason I got acquainted with him then is because he transcribed it right away, and he put that transcription onto his website with memes and images. It was really nice. I was quite surprised, actually, that that showed up.

So then I was introduced to his work. And what he does is he transcribes a lot of videos and interviews, which he thinks are important to preserve in this other format, the written format or the printed word. There are many advantages to having things in a written form, and he had a section back then – I’m sure he still does on his website – that explained the many different advantages to having things like videos and interviews in the written form.* I mean, you could print it off and read it. It does give it some degree of permanency. Some people prefer to read things rather than listen to an interview. There’s all kinds of reasons.

Anyway, then, over the years, since 2016, I have received a tremendous amount of support and encouragement and assistance from Katana.

In fact, his encouragement for me to write a book was absolutely critical! And I don’t think I ever would have written that book that I wrote without Katana’s encouragement. And the book that has the same title as my fateful video, the Sorry Mom, I Was Wrong About the Holocaust. The video was just six minutes long the book is a little bit longer than that! [chuckling]

Anyway, so I just want to say thank you, Katana. Oh, and of course, and the reason I wanted to do this shout out now, I’m very grateful to him for also having transcribed the first three episodes of this show, The Flipside with Monika.

So thank you to Katana!

Okay, now I would like to introduce my guest. I’m wondering if he’s had any luck getting on or., …

Oscar: I’m on now.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, good.

Okay, so I’d like to introduce my guest, who was one of the founding members of the Truth and Justice for Germans Society back in 2014. And his online persona is Oscar.

Now, through the years, I have learned so much from this man. Every time we had conversations together, he shared his insights with me, not only on historical events, but about race relations, about democracy, and even about nutrition.

So I think we might connect some of the dots on these seemingly disparate topics tonight.

But first, let me welcome Oscar onto the broadcast and ask you if you could please tell us, just give us a little bit of background. What led you and what motivated you to become a founding member of the Truth and Justice for Germans Society? Which, by the way, just before you do that, I just wanted to mention that I am involved in that society. So is of great interest to me. And the title of that society does say it all, really, what it’s about. I mean, obviously there’s lots to it, but the Truth and Justice for Germans Society. Okay. Welcome Oscar onto the show.

Oscar: Hi, Monika. Can you hear me okay?

Monika Schaefer: Yes, I can. Thank you.

Oscar: Okay. Yeah. Thanks for having me on. So I joined the Truth and Justice for Germans Society, I believe it was 2014. The society was started by a German fellow who had been, … This was kind of like a project he’d been working on for a long time. He put a lot of information together in a website, and then he wanted to create, like, an organization, a society to go along with the website. So he approached myself and a couple other people, a couple of friends, and asked us to help them set up this society. So that’s sort of how it started.

Now, myself and the two other people that he approached to help set it up, I mean, we all knew each other. We were sort of, I guess, at that point called “conspiracy theorists” because we were discussing, and 9/11 and all sorts of other things, and the direction society is going in. And, of course, you know, World War Two plays a big part in that. So that’s sort of how it initially got started.

[08:15]

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. And obviously, if you were friends with him and he asked you to help with the founding of the Truth and Justice for Germans Society, it means that you had opened your eyes to what is going on in the world.

And you mentioned the word “conspiracy theorists”. Yeah, that’s a great term that was foisted on us, I think probably back in, after the Kennedy [JFK] assassination, because they noticed that too many people were noticing that something was wrong with their assessment of things. So they turned that term into such a derogatory term. And it’s been used ever since to make fun of or belittle people who are actually seeing, noticing patterns.

But, yeah, go ahead.

Oscar: It’s just to discredit people who are interested in finding out the truth and what’s really going on.

And also researching and discovering that most of what we’ve been told about history is a lie! You know, most of everything we’re told in society is a lie! You know, whether its history, nutrition, immigration, “Holocaust”, everything!

Monika Schaefer: Exactly!

Oscar: It’s all a big lie!

Monika Schaefer: That’s why I thought we might connect some of those dots today. Because even if it sounds like those topics that I mentioned, that I have personally learned a lot of things from you, and that was including nutrition, sounds like that doesn’t really have that much to do with the other topics like history, Holocaust, race relations. What does nutrition have to do with that?

But then, …

Oscar: Well, …

Monika Schaefer: Go ahead, please.

Oscar: Nutrition has a lot to do with it because really, I mean, what our enemy is doing is weakening us! And they poison our food, and then they give us an upside down food pyramid. When you’re not eating a nutritionally sound diet you’re going to be weaker physically and mentally. So it’s part of the overall war against White people.

Monika Schaefer: Exactly!

Oscar: Nutrition factors in very, very much. I mean you have the vegan and vegetarian cults which ensnares, like, most young women, and this creates more health problems. It makes it harder for them to conceive. So it’s also an attack on White fertility.

Monika Schaefer: I agree.

And you mentioned against the White race in particular. Do you think that the nutritional attack or the assault on us through false information about nutrition, do you think that is specifically aimed at European people, at White people?

Oscar: Completely! Because pretty much every young White female girl is ensnared in the vegetarian-vegan cult. They get them young and they get them in this cult, and it creates nothing but health problems. And like, I said, it’s going to make it very difficult for these people to conceive children.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I mean, I would agree with you. And they, I think they can do it through taking advantage of the empathy, we love nature, we love animals. Isn’t that part of it?

Oscar: Yeah. Yes, very much so! The whole thing about the cruelty to animals and, it’s like the vegans are all about:

“Oh, you know, we’re against the killing and torture of animals!”

And meanwhile, that person has like a nice watch with a leather strap and leather jacket. And I mean, there’s a lot of hypocrisy that goes along with this whole agenda as well. But, at the end of the day, it is what it is. And it’s just one of the many weapons of used to attack the White race.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I agree. You know, the other day we were talking on the phone in anticipation of this, and we were talking about diseases in the past, and specifically we talked about the plague.

And I think that many of us have reached different conclusions now about that. Do you want to talk a little bit about that?

Oscar: Well, again, I mean, we were told that the plague was this highly contagious disease that was spread from human to human.

And I think certainly the Covid scam has opened a lot of people’s eyes to the fact that viruses are not real and like, human contagion is not a thing. You know, the concept that humans pass disease to one another. I mean, if that was true, we would have gone extinct a long time ago.

So this brings you back to the other theory of poisoning of the wells, which now seems to have a little more legitimacy once we start realizing that it wasn’t a contagious outbreak spreading from human to human, it was something else.

I mean, there is some documented evidence of people being caught poisoning wells, and tried and executed. But the six o’clock news is not going to talk about stuff like that.

Monika Schaefer: No, and neither are they going to teach that to the children in school what the real causes of the plague were. And they probably won’t mention the (((tribe))) that, who were these well poisoners. These are things that were not taught in the mainstream sources nor in our public education system!

And interesting. I’m glad you brought the, made the connection between then and now. This Covid, the bio-weapon, which they coerced through very strong measures. Like people were fired, people were not allowed into places, young people were not allowed into universities, or institutions like that, if they didn’t roll up their sleeve and get that bio-weapon. Oh, excuse me, they called it the “vaccine”. But even now it’s like that has disappeared from the news cycle because they’ve got other things to distract the public from.

Like, for example, Trump’s ear supposedly being shot and everybody’s talking about that now. And this other huge matter which is affecting millions of people who are either dying or are severely injured, that’s just gone away. It’s like it’s being forgotten. Or is it being forgotten? Do you want to comment about that? And bring then to now?

[16:57]

Oscar: The mainstream news is not going to ever address the number of vaccine injuries or the number of people who’ve died from the vaccine. They’re just going to ignore it. The only place you’ll get any news about that or information is on the alternate media.

And like you said, they’re just going to move on to their next pandemic or their next crisis or whatever, like the supposed assassination of Donald Trump. I mean, all these events are very fishy.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, yeah, that’s definitely an understatement. I would say! [chuckling] It’s a piece of theater. And even at that, even if it was real, we’re talking about a governance system, which we touched on this in our pre-show conversation the other day, too, about democracy.

And I hope we’re not jumping topics here too much, but I do think this is all related, and we can tie this all together then. But this governance system that I was taught in school:

“Oh, it’s government for the people, of the people, by the people!”

And this was hammered into our brains! And we just thought it was so great because they always told us it was the best system, really the only system. Like, it was so solidly implanted into our psyche that really we could just think:

“Well, how can it be any other way? Of course this is the best system.”

But what do you think about that, Oscar? Should we even be paying attention to voting and democracy? And is this working for us? Do you think this is really working for us? [chuckling] Go ahead.

Oscar: Well, no, it doesn’t work. Your vote doesn’t matter, really. I mean, democracy is just a, just a warm up round for full on communism. You know, we certainly saw that with the Covid pandemic. We all had this notion that we live in a democracy, and you wake up the next day and you’re not allowed to leave your house, and if you don’t take an injection, you’re going to lose your job. It’s like, how did that happen overnight? That’s, well, so much for our democracy!

Monika Schaefer: Actually, I find that a really interesting statement to say that democracy is actually a stepping stone to communism. To me, that’s a new idea. It’s really, really good, actually. We should expand on that a little bit more. We should explore that a little bit more. How does that happen? You’re right. Like, going from, … yeah, go ahead.

Oscar: Well, your vote doesn’t matter. I mean, let’s say you run a business and you have a family, you own a house. You have a vested interest in the state of the economy. You have a vested interest in the health of your country s But when you go vote and then let’s say this 20 year old girl with pink hair and she’s a transgender lesbian. Well, your vote carries the same weight as her vote. She has no stake in the economy. You know, she just wants to tear everything down!

So that’s another problem.

Monika Schaefer: I guess that is a communist idea, isn’t it? That everybody is equal, so everybody has a vote! No matter what position you have in life. That right there is, …

Oscar: Well, again, I mean, this notion of “everybody and everything is equal”, that’s a communist ideal, because nothing is further from the truth!

Monika Schaefer: Exactly!

Oscar: People that have no vested interest in the economy, the state of the nation, whatever, their vote carries the same weight as people that have a very definite vested interest in the economy and the nation. So this is a problem.

And Western countries are all multicultural now, and different cultures have different values, different outlooks on life and they’re going to vote for the party that’s soft on immigration so they can bring all their relatives into the country. Democracy doesn’t work. It creates, like, a mob rule.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. No, this is a very profound idea, I have to say. I mean, I was so into the whole “democracy thing” all my life, and then I even ran as a candidate, and please don’t hold it against me, but I ran in that Green Party, which I now understand to be “watermelon party”, which is really the worst of them all!

And what I mean by “watermelon”, it’s green on the outside and red on the inside. It is really a communist party!

But now we’re talking about the whole idea of democracy is communist, but the Green party legitimizes it. Go ahead.

Oscar: The hidden agenda of the Green Party, and like because about the same time, Green parties appeared in pretty much every Western country. But the Green party was used as a vehicle to start introducing all these crazy “green initiatives”. And then over time, all these ideas eventually became adopted by the mainstream parties. But they used the Green party to float these ideas out into the public sphere. And then over time, the mainstream parties just eventually adopted all these policies.

Monika Schaefer: Bingo! You nailed it! Because this is the idea that’s been percolating in my head, too. This very idea that the Green Party actually sets the agenda, even though they are still, and they have been very much just on the fringe. Took them a long time before they even got a single seat. Then they got a few seats, and yet they are setting the agenda, all the way!

In fact, I’ll just tell you a little quote from Elizabeth May. And I used to think it was so noble! Elizabeth May, the leader of the Green Party of Canada back then, when she said this, and now still she says:

“I will always.”

Sorry. No, this is a different quote. She said:

“I don’t care if they steal our ideas, as long as they implement them! I don’t care if they don’t give us credit for their ideas. I just care that they use our ideas and put them into practice, like implement them.”

So I thought that was really noble because I thought:

“Wow, she’s so modest. She doesn’t need to take the credit.”

And yet what I see is that she was basically encapsulating exactly what happens, is that the Green party sets the agenda. They bring forth the ideas, and then the main parties, the big parties, the “gray parties”, as the Greens used to call them, they implement them. Isn’t that interesting?

Oscar: Yeah, well, once they’ve, you know, been floating around in, out there on the media for X number of years, people get used to hearing this and then over time they just become more acceptable to these ideas. When you look at these green policies they’re trying to implement, like this Green New deal right now. I mean, really it just ties into Agenda 2030.

So it’s not about going green. It’s about going without!

Monika Schaefer: Indeed.

Oscar: You know, we have an abundance of energy and resources. But those who pull the strings, want everyone to be equally poor. And that includes being energy poor.

[26:53]

Monika Schaefer: Through a big, big fat lie about carbon and carbon dioxide. I mean, that like, … Go ahead. Sorry.

Oscar: That’s the biggest lie of them all, is the CO2 is going to destroy the atmosphere and kill us all!

Monika Schaefer: And yet CO2 is the stuff of life! [chuckling]

Oscar: Like the pre-industrial CO2 levels of 280 parts per million. I mean, that was dangerous. Dangerously low!

Monika Schaefer: Exactly!

Oscar: That’s approaching extinction level.

Monika Schaefer: Exactly!

Oscar: So now it’s up to, like, around 400, or more. But the result of that is the earth is getting greener and agricultural yields have improved. And when plants get more CO2, they can survive with less water. So it’s an all around better situation if there’s a bit more CO2 in the atmosphere.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I think it’s interesting that you say:

“That’s the biggest lie of all.”

Because I think you’re right. And it took me longer to dissect that lie or to come to terms with it than the Holocaust lie, even though the Holocaust has been drummed into us since we were born, basically. And the Holocaust lie is punishable if you question that one.

Whereas if you questioned their narrative on climate change, so far anyway, you don’t go to jail for it. Although they start inserting words like:

“Oh, climate denier!”

And we know that that weaponized term has its power from the “Holocaust denier” term. So who knows in future what all they will deem us criminal for disagreeing with their narrative on.

But, yeah, that one is a huge lie because they are using that narrative of climate change and that we are burning up and we are responsible for ruining the planet. They are using that for their 2030 agenda or whatever all these other agendas are called.

And I think we are going to a break now, but we will be right back.

[29:21]

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[37:00]

All right, I would like to welcome you back to The Flipside with Monika. And I would like to also invite you, if you would like to call in, the number is 512-248-8252. And there’s also a 1800 number if you can’t call on that number, it’s 1800 313 9443.

But first, I’d like to just make some more observations with my guest, Oscar. And you probably know what song that was on the bumper music after the ads, before and after the ads there. And the fact that there are many German people who have been so brought down to their knees that they flinch when they hear that music because they have been made to feel badly about their national anthem. Do you want to comment on that, Oscar?

Oscar: Well, I guess that’s all part and parcel of the, … After World War Two, they instituted the so-called de-Nazification program. You know, pretty much every school book, every book published between 1933 and 1945 was destroyed by the Allies. They were the real book burners of history!

So that was part of the de-Nazification process. I mean, everything about National Socialism had to be destroyed, because it was the most effective form of governance that the modern world has seen! It wasn’t just the economic miracle. It was also a cultural and spiritual revolution as well. And if it wasn’t squashed with World War Two, it would have spread to most of the Western world.

So this is one of the main reasons for World War Two, what Hitler and what the Germans were doing. It was showing everyone that there’s a better way! You know, it was really a struggle of European nationalism versus jewish globalism.

And unfortunately, the end result, the bad guys won and the good guys lost. I’m referring to the Germans. They were the good guys in World War Two!

Monika Schaefer: Indeed, indeed! Everything been turned on its head, hasn’t it?

Oscar: Yeah, I like to quote what Goebbels said once. He said:

“If we are to lose this war, the world will fall into a state of eternal darkness.”

And, well, right now things look pretty dark in the Western world! [chuckling] You know, we’re being massively overrun with third world immigrants. Our economies are being trashed. We just went through this whole Covid scam where they injected 80% of the population with some mysterious poison.

Now they’re throwing this climate change green agenda at us. And there’s the digital currency looming on the horizon somewhere.

So, yeah, I mean, this is everything that Hitler and the Germans were fighting against. This is exactly what they were fighting against!

Monika Schaefer: Exactly! Yeah. It makes me weep to know that, to learn that! And then to have Hitler be so demonized! I’m telling you, it took a long time, even after I learned the truth about World War Two and that the Holocaust didn’t happen. And actually, everything was kind of backwards and reversed in terms of what they told us. Even then, it took a while before I could decontaminate myself from those lies about Hitler. Because even though I then understood that he was a good guy, not this devil incarnate, I would still flinch when I saw him portrayed in a positive light.

I have, in the meantime, been very successful at decontaminating myself from that mind poison, so I do not flinch any longer! And I really think he was one of the greatest men that ever lived!

And I will just say the jews, they head up making the curriculum, and they own the media, the mass media, and they have poisoned us with their lies and deceptions about Hitler. And I guess it’s because of that fantastic way of governing, the National Socialist way, and what you just described that was really, really great.

And I think you could expand on that. It was spiritual in addition to their attitude towards the environment, everything about it was so good! Like you say, it would have spread to many more countries. Go ahead.

Oscar: It definitely would have, especially when they can see that Hitler circumvented the international bankers, that the German economy was thriving. And other countries could have easily followed that same program and achieved similar levels of success. Because Germany was thriving in the middle of The [Great] Depression.

Monika Schaefer: Exactly!

Oscar: The United States and England were mired deep in the recession, mass unemployment, poverty, misery. And by 1935, the German economy was booming. The standard of living was rising dramatically. People were happy. People were optimistic about the future. So yeah, I mean this why, …

Monika Schaefer: And brought., … Go ahead, finish your thought there.

Oscar: Oh, yeah. I sort of lost it!

Monika Schaefer: Okay, no problem. He brought the Germans out of a state of poverty and suffering. Like after World War One, there was hunger in Germany. I know that from firsthand. Well, actually, I guess I should call it secondhand, it’s from my parents. Does one call that firsthand or secondhand?

Anyway, my parents, they lived that poverty after World War One. My dad was born in 1919. And, I mean, his mom took him to the doctor at age four because he was bow-legged*. So malnourished and he hadn’t started talking yet, and she was concerned about him. The doctor said:

“No, don’t worry, he’s fine.”

[* Rickets is a condition that results in weak or soft bones in children, and is caused by either dietary deficiency (Vitamin D) or genetic causes. Symptoms include bowed legs, stunted growth, bone pain, large forehead, and trouble sleeping.]

But that was the poverty that he was born into. And my mother, well, she was born a little bit later, 1928. But Germany after World War One was so poor that so many suicides took place. All kinds of things like that.

And then after Hitler came to power in 1933, things really, really changed!

And like you said, the middle of [The Great] Depression in the rest of the world, and Germany was doing very well, and leaders from various countries went to Germany to see:

“How did they do that here?”

And to see how he was doing that economic miracle.

So, yeah. Did you want to just comment? And then after that we could take a caller.

Oscar: Yeah, well, it’s actually not a complicated formula. He freed his people from the clutches of the jewish banking cartels. And of course, he also got rid of all the jewish sponsored degeneracy that was going on in Germany in the late twenties and early thirties, the Weimar Republic, I mean, so, …

Monika Schaefer: So, yeah, I like what you say. It was not a complicated formula! [chuckling] Get rid of jewish influence, jewish power! That is not complicated formula. Yeah.

Oscar: You have to get rid of the jewish money power and the jewish influence over your society. And I mean you just look at the United States today. Well, that’s like Weimar 2.0.

Monika Schaefer: It certainly is. And here in Canada, too.

Oscar: Yeah, but I mean, I’m not sure there’s a Hitler in the waiting to get us out of this mess!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah!

Oscar: I think this time every individual’s gotta see their own way out of it. And hopefully enough will do that it’ll create a big enough movement and change in society.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, that’s right. Everybody needs to act. And if you’re looking for leadership, just look in the mirror, and don’t wait for somebody else to do something. I think we’re at that stage. You’re absolutely right!

Oscar: Donald Trump, unfortunately not the savior of the White race.

Monika Schaefer: That’s right. I agree 100% with you.

Oscar: Anyone who’s put their hand on the Wailing Wall* is not someone you can trust.

[* The Wailing Wall, also referred to as the Kotel, the Western Wall, or Solomon’s Wall, and whose lower sections date to about the first century BCE, is located in the Old Quarter of East Jerusalem in Israel/Palestine. Built of thick, corroded limestone, it is about 60 feet (20 meters) high and close to 160 feet (50 meters) long, though most of it is engulfed in other structures. A Sacred Jewish Site: The wall is believed by devout jews to be the Western Wall of the Second Temple of Jerusalem (destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE), the only surviving structure of the Herodian Temple built during the realm of Herod Agrippa (37 BCE–4 CE) in the first century BCE. The temple’s original location is in dispute, leading some Arabs to dispute the claim that the wall belongs to the temple, arguing instead that it is part of the structure of Al-Aqsa Mosque on the Temple Mount.]

Monika Schaefer: I agree with you. Well, let’s take a caller, Bradley in Texas.

Oscar: Okay.

Monika Schaefer: Can you, …

Bradley: Hello. Great to speak with you.

Monika Schaefer: Well, welcome to the show. So do you have a question, or a comment?

Bradley: A comment, I guess. It’s just very enlightening to hear, very refreshing enlightening people talk about the history that we’ve been denied. [chuckling] You know, the big book burning that happened in Germany, though they didn’t show you the books, they were perversion books. Kind of like what’s going on now with what they’re pushing LGBTQ, all this crap!

[49:41]

Oscar: Yes, that’s correct. Yeah.

Bradley: Yeah. And I’m very aware of the Holohoax. You know, it was garbage too. And so few people are aware of these things. Most of the stations I listen to are limited hangouts. I met John Stadmiller back around, 2000, under Lisa Beeth and her husband, Bill Beeth. We’re at a conference with Ron Paul. Really interesting to meet him, and I love his network.

And so I thought I’d tune in, listen to what show he has playing. And lo and behold, some really enlightened people. It’s really refreshing. I enjoy your talk.

Monika Schaefer: Well, thank you so much! And did you have a question for our guest?

Bradley: I can’t think of one, really. [chuckling]

Monika Schaefer: Okay. Well, it’s really, really nice. It’s very refreshing to have your call. Thank you so much!

Bradley: Okay, thank you.

Monika Schaefer: Okay.

Bradley: Bye bye.

Monika Schaefer: So, Oscar, is there anything in particular you want to lead the conversation into, or carry on with?

Oscar: Well, I’ll just touch on the Holocaust for a minute.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, very appropriate. Because I do see that as the linchpin lie, underlying jewish power. That’s how I see it. Anyway, do, …

Oscar: But, yes, I mean, that’s correct. I mean, in a way, they very much predicated their future on the Holocaust lie. And that’s probably one of the reasons they so fiercely protect the Holocaust lie. I mean, pretty much every Western country now has laws against denying the Holocaust. I mean, even in Russia, it’s against the law to deny the Holocaust.

But there’s a very simple formula I use, and this applies to any agenda!

So when you have any agenda that requires censorship, you know it’s a lie! Whether it’s the Holocaust, Covid, 9/11, whatever! If it requires censorship, it’s guaranteed to be a lie! The truth never requires censorship!

Monika Schaefer: I agree. I agree 100%! The truth does not fear investigation and it does not fear debate about it. Yeah, that’s absolutely true!

And I would say that the Holocaust epitomizes the jewish narrative of always being the persecuted people and that everybody’s out to get them. And the Holocaust is the modern day, like, it epitomizes that narrative that goes back a long ways! I think they’ve been crying the blues about being the persecuted people for a long time! But now, Holocaust is the modern episode of that.

And why are they making all these laws in all our countries? It’s because if that, it’s not a matter of if, it’s when, because it’s already happening big time. The Holocaust lie, when that falls and really falls, their whole house of cards tumbles down!

This is what I think. Because boy, oh, boy, I think the Holocaust lie underpins everything! I mean, when we object to immigration, they shout:

“Oh, racist! That’s Holocaust is gonna happen! Another holocaust is gonna happen [chuckling] because you’re racist!”

I mean, that’s just one example, but it underpins their power, let alone all the money they’ve extorted for it.

We have another caller, Ed, in Iowa. Would, would you like to bring in Ed?

Oscar: Sure.

Monika Schaefer: Mr producer. Do we have? Okay, Ed.

Ed: Hello?

Monika Schaefer: Hello. Welcome to the show.

Ed: Okay. I wasn’t sure. I didn’t know I was on.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, go ahead. Do you have a question, or a comment?

Ed: I have a comment. And it’s a extremely important for everybody to listen to this. What do you think is the biggest lie that we’ve been told to keep us in check? What do you think it is?

Monika Schaefer: Go ahead, Oscar, if you want to answer that.

Ed: Do you guys know what it is?

Monika Schaefer: I mean, me, I think it’s the holocaust, but go ahead, Oscar.

Ed: No, no, it’s not even close! The biggest lie that they’ve told us is that they are the sovereigns. Okay? Here, what I’m saying. They have told us over and over and over and over that they, the government, and of course, the people that will operate the government are the sovereigns. That’s what they’ve told us over and over and over.

And so what does that do to the mindset of all the people? It makes them believe, obviously, it makes them believe that they don’t own anything, that they are serfs, I guess, if you want to call it that.

But the truth is, Donald Trump has said this several times. And I guess it goes in one ear and out the other. But he said many times:

“This country belongs to you guys!”

And that is absolutely, 100% correct!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I guess in terms of thinking that we are governed, who has the right to govern us. That’s what you’re saying, right? In effect.

Ed: Right!

Monika Schaefer: Oscar, do you want to comment on that? Because we only have a little bit of time left, and I’d like to give you the chance to comment on that, Oscar.

Oscar: Well, that’s a very good point, because most people, you know, look to government to solve all our problems, and they’re the ones creating all the problems. So it’s, again, it’s kind of an upside down situation. We have to stop being so dependent on the government. But the government, that’s one of the things they do is they want to make us more and more dependent on the government. You know, they want to bring in Universal Basic Income and all that stuff.

Monika Schaefer: Very communist. So we only have a minute left, and I would just like to thank you so much for coming on, Oscar. That was really, really interesting. I enjoyed it a lot.

I also want to tell the listener that next week, Blackbird9 is going to be taking my spot. This was a commitment I had even before I took on this show. So he’s going to be gracious enough to extend his Snack Shack to 2 hours. So I will see you all in two weeks from now. But thank you, Oscar!

And if you want to have a last word, you have about a half a minute. And thank you also to Ed and the other callers for calling in. Thank you. Go ahead, Oscar.

Oscar: Okay, Monika. Yeah, thanks for having me on. I would just say that from what we’ve seen, especially with Covid, don’t comply with the next fake agenda that they try and push on us. You know, don’t comply with digital ID, digital currency, don’t comply with bird flu, or don’t comply with anything to do with the Green New Deal. Vote with your dollar. It’s much more effective than your vote at the ballot box.

Monika Schaefer: Thank you. Those are really good last words. Thank you so much! Okay, bye for now!

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The Flipside with Monika – Ep 03 with Paul Fromm – Jul 13, 2024 – Transcript

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Monika Schaefer

The Flipside with Monika

Ep 03 with Paul Fromm

Sat, Jul 13, 2024

[In this weekly podcast episode on Republic Broadcasting Network, Canadian nationalist and author, Monika Schaefer talks with Paul Fromm, a veteran activist focusing on free speech issues and non-White immigration into Canada.

Key points include:

1. Paul Fromm introduces himself as a long-time activist for free speech and patriotic causes in Canada since 1965.

2. He worked as an English teacher for 25 years, keeping his political views separate from teaching.

3. In 1991, Paul makes a comment to an Indian (feather) at a meeting that causes controversy.

4. The Canadian Jewish Congress and others demand Paul’s firing from his teaching position.

5. A lengthy inquiry is conducted into Paul’s activities.

6. In 1997, the School Board votes to fire Paul following a new Supreme Court legal precedent.

7. Paul fights the firing for seven weeks with help from lawyer Doug Christie.

8. Paul’s union initially supports him but later withdraws support.

9. Paul loses his appeals and his teaching career.

10. He takes various jobs to earn a living.

11. Paul later returns to substitute teaching.

12. Complaints are made against Paul to the Teachers Federation.

13. The Federation votes to revoke Paul’s teaching license, ending his career.

14. Paul has since run organizations promoting free expression.

15. He opposes mass immigration.

16. Paul has assisted others facing speech crime trials in Canada, like Arthur Topham.

17. The conversation discusses two current political prisoners.

18. Leslie Bory is mentioned as one of the political prisoners.

19. Brad Love is also mentioned as a political prisoner.

20. Both Bory and Love are reportedly in prison for their speech.

21. A caller, Lark, brings up the threat of Communitarianism.

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[Intro Music]

[01:39]

Monika Schaefer: Good evening. Good day. You are listening to The Flip Side with Monika, episode three on the Republic Broadcasting Network. I am your host, Monika Schaefer. It is July 13, 2024.

I am very much looking forward to having a guest this evening. And he is a fellow Canadian. He has been in the trenches, you could say, for years. Actually, for decades. He was aware of really, the big picture of what is going on in this world long before I was! I think I was still playing in the sandbox [chuckling] when he was starting to tell the truth and do some things that got him into some hot water! And I’ll get him to tell his story.

But first, I’m going to just tell you about the summer fundraiser that the RBN is having. The Republic Broadcasting Network. And before I read their blurb about the summer fundraiser, I’d just like to say a word about this sort of thing about fundraising. Please never consider it as “charity”. Think of it more as this is just part of the cost of life. And when we are in an upside down world, then we need to take these things into our own hands.

Now, if we were not in an upside down world and we were living in a world where there were no lies and deceptions from government and from our institutions, then this type of thing would be paid for through our taxes and our, we would be just living a world where the mainstream media would be us! [chuckling]

But it’s not! So think of it as part of the cost of living. Cost of life. Yes.

So I’m just going to read their blurb. Please participate in this fundraising effort to help us get over this financial hump for the next three months. That is, for July, August, and September. Donors who contribute $100 or more within this timeframe may request a unique RBN T-shirt. And the first ten participants will also receive an RBN gift package. This will include an additional classic RBN T-shirt, bumper stickers, and business cards. And thank you for your participation. And T-shirts will be sent after the summer fundraiser is over, October 1. And please do include your shipping information and T-shirt size. And you can donate by telephone at 1800 724 2719, extension three. Or go to the Republicbroadcasting.org/news/Summer-fundraiser and you can find all the information there. There are other ways to donate as well. PayPal or., … Yeah, anyway, I’ll let you sort that out. You could always phone that number. 1800 724 2719, extension three.

Now, to introduce my guest this evening, I’ve mentioned he’s a Canadian and he’s been at this for a long time. Paul Fromm is my guest, and I’m so happy to welcome him.

And just before I get him to say hello, I would just like to tell you that when I was first in the “hot seat”, you can say after I did my video [Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the Holocaust] and I was starting to endure the wrath of the people in my own community as well as further afield, one of the first things that I was smeared by association, I was smeared by association for I had associated with this man, Paul Fromm! [chuckling] I think it’s quite funny now. I mean, it’s comical!

Unfortunately, we tend to be very much a herd creature, our people in general. We like to be part of the group, the group mentality. It seems to be very important to us in general to be accepted by our group.

Now, that is fine if we’re not infiltrated by an enemy. But it is really a hindrance for us when we have an enemy that moves among us, hiding themselves and doing their business by stealth and lies and deception and tricking us into believing that they are part of our group and they are not!

And I’m just going to give one little story about how powerful that “by association” thing is. And Paul knows all of these characters that I’m going to talk about. He knows them well.

When Arthur Topham was facing the Inquisition and for speech that our enemy does not like, I was putting out the word on social media, Facebook and whatnot, I was saying:

“You’ve got to support this man. It’s about free speech. And even if you don’t agree with everything that he says, it’s really a fight for all of us. Because if he loses this battle, then we all lose!”

Because really think of it as a battle for free speech. Well, then one of my good friends at the time, who I played lots of music with, and he was a very intelligent man. He was a chief forester. So he really was very competent man. But he comes back to me with this. He says:

“Well, I’ve checked out Arthur Topham’s website.”

The radicalpress.com, that he had at the time. And I guess the most recent article there was, he did a very complimentary piece, like an obituary, you could say, for Douglas Christie, who had just died recently at that time. And Douglas, and my friend says:

“Douglas Christie, he defended Ernst Zundel! And now Arthur is writing good things about Douglas Christie! So, no, I’m not going to support this man. Sorry, Monika. No. Done! I’m not!”

So this was like a third degree of association, really. Third degree of association. So a lawyer defends Ernst Zundel. Ernst Zundel, in this man’s eyes, was bad. And then Arthur writes something nice about Doug Christie after Doug Christie dies. And this man, this former friend of mine, does not want to support the court case, or he doesn’t want to support this man, who is really in a big fight. And I was saying:

“You know, listen, support free speech for this.”

So there you go, by association.

[09:07]

So this similar thing happened with me. People were writing things in the local paper in Jasper:

“Oh, she associates with Paul Fromm!”

Talking about me. So in this upside down world, Paul, I would take that as a great compliment.

Now, of course, it’s when we’re still in that world, it just seems, you know, hurtful and whatnot for both you and me. But really, we should both take it as a compliment.

So welcome to The Flip Side with Monika, Paul Fromm! Hello? Are you there? Okay, Paul, do you want to unmute? Perhaps you’re muted now. I see a mute button on Paul’s, …

Hello? Paul? Hmm. Okay. We might have to just maybe figure that out, and I’ll carry on. And then as soon as Paul can get through, I would sure appreciate it if he could let us know. [chuckling]

Well, I’m going to get Paul to tell his story, because he had his own trials and tribulations. He used to be a teacher, I believe, math and English. I might be wrong on that. I’ll have to get him to tell us. But he did upset a certain group of people. That same group of people who is that we’re always up against, the ones we’re not allowed to criticize, lest we be called “anti-semitic”. It’s always them. They’re the ones who are responsible for having put my brother and myself in jail for saying certain things that disagreed with their narrative of World War Two, history, the so-called jewish Holocaust.

Anyway, I’m not exactly sure what it was that Paul was saying at the time, but he was fired from his job. I do know that. And so since then, he’s been hard at work. He’s got several organizations under his name, the CAFE, which is the Canadian Association for Free Expression and C-FAR, I think.

Okay, I’m not getting a clear signal. Are you getting something there?

Paul Fromm: I can hear you.

Monika Schaefer: There you go. You are there. Good! Okay, Paul, would you like to tell a little bit your story?

Paul Fromm: Oh, okay.

Monika Schaefer: I don’t know if you could hear me. Could you hear me?

Paul Fromm: Yeah, I can hear. I heard everything.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, good. So why don’t you carry on and fill in the blanks there. I was just starting to get into it.

Paul Fromm: Okay. Well, I’ve been a long time activist and freedom and patriotic causes going back to about 1965. And I, without going into my whole history, I have to say, and I do this by way of introduction. Well, I have two big issues, free speech and immigration. Not enough free speech and too much immigration!

And that’s what I’ve been pursuing for the better part of five decades. I was very sympathetic to you when you got into all this trouble. And it’s typical of the tactics of our enemy.

And immediately, one of the things that Doug Christie used to say about these so-called “hate charges”. That there’s a process. And it’s defamation, isolate, criminalize! So first of all, the media and others usually egged on by the usual suspects defame you. There are hysterical articles about how horrible you are and so on.

And then the next thing, the goal of that, among other things, is to isolate you. And exactly, exactly what you’re describing happened to you:

“Oh, I won’t help Arthur Topham because you said something nice about Paul Fromm. Or you associated with Paul Fromm.”

And so eventually, [words unclear] your supporters, because your friends or supporters are all intimidated and scared. Now that does not always work, but it’s what’s in place.

So in my own case, I’ve been an activist for a good number of years. I’ve been an English instructor in Peel County for 25 years. And I had a former Director of Education called me an “exemplary teacher”. So there’s never any problem with my teaching. And I kept my politics out of the classroom. I taught English, and I had fairly high standards. And I know I was appreciated because I was regularly called to do night school or summer school. So teachers who are not very good or real screw up, don’t get the invitation. I did. So, yeah, I was a successful professional.

And then in 1991, I went to a meeting of the Dramas [sp] Committee on community and racial relations. And at that meeting, there was a native Indian who was promoting, who was demanding more and more repression, that fascist groups should not be allowed to use facilities for meetings and so on and so on.

And he listed a number of things and then he said, and other measures. So I piped up [words unclear]

Now, I thought that was very funny. And many other people did, when I told the story over the years. What I was saying was:

“How far would you go? Just start [words unclear] free speech.”

Well, anyway, their meeting went nuts, …

Monika Schaefer: Paul, excuse me, can you just repeat what you typed up? Because your connection is not super clear. Not in my ear, anyway. And I just missed. What did you type up that sent them into a fit?

Paul Fromm: Well, no, I didn’t type up. I piped up. I heckled up.

Monika Schaefer: You piped up! I’m sorry. [chuckling] Okay.

Paul Fromm: And I said:

“Scalp them!”

You know, like how far? He was saying, “and other measures”.

And I said:

“Scalp them?”

Question mark. Like:

“How far would you go?”

Anyway, this was quite upsetting.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Paul Fromm: And so I was thrown out of the meeting. And the next day, the Canadian jewish Congress and others started demanding my Board of Education fire me!

[16:55]

Notice there’s nothing I did in the classroom or said in the classroom. On my own time, on my own dime, I made a comment.

Okay, well, this was fought over and finally the Board of Education decided to give me a reprimand that:

“I shouldn’t say things like that and I shouldn’t do it again.”

I never agreed with that. I thought I was on my own time, you know?

Anyway, so by now, though, the dark forces were really gunning for me. So they came across a film about 18 months later that I had of a meeting I’d attended in December of 1990. And it was for the Nationalist Heritage Front, and I had given a speech about freedom of speech.

Anyway, they alleged that somewhere in the corner of the room there was a swastika.

Now, I didn’t put it there, I didn’t waive it and so on, but I gained guilt by association. So now they were really after me! And the Board of Education was so flummoxed that they called upon the Minister of Education to do something, because the Minister of Education had the power in those days to take away your teaching certificate.

Monika Schaefer: You know, Paul, just to pause there, I find that interesting. Oh, somewhere in the room they found a swastika, and you mentioned you didn’t put it there.

Now, aside from the fact that the swastika is, it’s been demonized, and that’s just a really false thing because swastika has always represented something good. But just aside from that, probably it was provocateur that did that, because that’s how they operate. They want to get you, so they’ll do some action that’s like it’s a provocation. And they do it themselves. Like those who want to take you out, probably did that.

But anyway, carry on with your story.

Paul Fromm: Well, that’s possible. So they asked the Minister of Education to take away my teaching certificate.

Now, the Minister of Education at the time was an NDP’er [sp], but he didn’t! He investigated the case.

And apparently there were censorship groups that burst into his office cursing him and swearing and carrying on because he wouldn’t take it away.

Anyway, so what he did was he set up a special committee, sorry, special inquiry under an NDP lawyer who is going to look into me and my case. So that inquiry, which was supposed to be over in a month, ended up extending about, if I recall correctly, about seven months. And they heard from various lobby groups, they heard from a few students, they heard from a few teachers.

And I actually did have some support from a number of other teachers. One who was, I think, an NDP’er. And she said:

“Well, I don’t agree with Paul, but he’s always been a good teacher and he’s never brought his views into the classroom.”

And several others said the same thing.

And I was at that time the most investigated teacher ever in the province of Ontario!

Now I hadn’t molested students or stolen the coffee fund or anything like that! I had expressed my own views on my own time, off school property.

Okay, the inquiry, it was a complicated finding, but it said:

“Well, his remarks didn’t go far enough for him to be fired under the present legislation, but he should be. The legislation should be changed and then he could be fired and then, …”

Anyway, so the board of education didn’t know what to do with me, so they decided they would put me into adult education. And many people said that was the punishment because I would now have to deal with a lot of non-Whites. Well, it wasn’t a punishment! I mean, I didn’t see it as such.

The adults were very motivated to learn. They’d come back to school as adults and they came back because they wanted to get their high school diploma and they wanted to learn! Whereas many of the adolescents, I mean, some of the adolescents didn’t want to learn. They’re going through a rebellious stage and they hate adults. They hate everybody! So I had virtually no trouble with any of the adults, even though over 50% of them were non-White. And I’m supposed to have been made so angry by that. I wasn’t. Things went well.

But finally, we now skip ahead to 1997. So they’ve been after me for six years.

Finally, in 1997, the board voted to fire me. And that’s because the Supreme Court had heard the Malcolm Ross case. He was a teacher in New Brunswick and he had written a number of books, one against abortion, one against the jewish lobby, and so on. Again, on his own time, on his own dime, off school property.

And it was alleged in the human rights theory that he created a “poisoned environment”. And we would hear that more and more:

“Your very existence on this earth creates a poisoned environment!”

And you probably heard that, Monika, in Jasper. Your very being alive, poisons things!

Monika Schaefer: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. This is so interesting, Paul. Yeah. The poisoned environment and the fact that they had to make special, you know, different laws. I mean, it reminded me of Robert Faurisson. For whom they made a special law in France, just for him! It’s just really amazing how they pursued you. And they really had a hard time to fire you because you did your job very well! [chuckling]

You’re the kind of guy they don’t like at all because you’re intelligent, you do your job well, you’re conscientious, but somehow they have to get rid of you because you’re too wise to the situation and you’re seeing things way in advance of most of us, I have to say. Like way before, most of us have seen really what was wrong with this mass immigration and mass immigration from third world countries and whatnot. That it would change the very fabric of our nations. And look at where we are at now! My goodness! And you were really ahead of the of the curveball there on that. But please carry on.

[24:08]

Paul Fromm: Unfortunately, those were the old days and there have been enough cases since then, not just in education, that we have a new form of slavery. Your employer owns you 24 hours a day! It used to be your employer was entitled to seven or 8 hours a day of your work and diligence. And what you did on your own time was your business in more. In many cases now, that’s no longer the situation.

Anyway, so I hired Doug Christie. We had a couple meetings with the Board. And he put up a fantastic fight! And I was supposed to be fired in a week. And we dragged it out for seven weeks.

And finally my union leader said, and the union was backing me at this stage. He said:

“Boy, your lawyer has made some great speeches. He is really powerful! But you’re going to lose.”

I said:

“What do you mean? You just said, I’ve got a great lawyer.”

He says:

“Well, I’ll tell you what. You’re going to lose, because the day they fire you (sorry), the day after they fire you, the phone calls stop!”

Monika Schaefer: The phone calls. What? Sorry?

Paul Fromm: The phone calls stop!

Monika Schaefer: Oh!

Paul Fromm: The pressure. And so in other words, …

Monika Schaefer: The board was getting probably many, many phone calls. And I wouldn’t doubt that there was a big organized lobby that was making these phone calls happen. And I just would venture to say that it was very likely the jewish lobby. They are very organized. That’s just., …

Paul Fromm: It was them!

Anyway, in January of 1997, I was fired!

Now, I’ve had a 25 year career. I had a wife and two small children. That didn’t matter. I was out on my rear end! I applied for unemployment insurance and was turned down because I was “fired for cause”. Well, I said:

“We are in the process of, the union and I, are in the process of aggrieving the firing!”

It didn’t matter.

So we went to the Court of Appeal, and I had a good lawyer, Barbara Kulaszka, or the late Barbara Kulaszka. The government’s Lawyer was an oriental woman. And the judge, I swear, was drunk! And he mocked both lawyers, and in the end, ruled against me.

So I’m unemployed, and although we’re appealing the firing, I have no income. The appeal, nothing goes quickly in Canadian justice. Took about a year and a half, and I lost on a two to one vote by the Arbitration Board. And I did various things to earn a living. And I got back into education with a different board as a substitute teacher. And this would be about seven or eight years later.

And then the Teachers Federation, under complaints, after complaints of the (((usual suspects))), the Teachers Federation, decided they would try to take away my teaching license. So without a teaching license you can’t teach in Ontario. And after a big fight, they did! They voted. They said that I had “consorted”. That was the term, “consorted with disreputable people”, one of them being Representative Dr David Duke. I had been at conferences in the United States, again, all my own time, off school property. And I had “bad friends”, or, I mean “bad acquaintances”. Pretty much what was being said about you and Arthur Topham. You knew bad people, so therefore you’re no good and you deserve no help!

And so that ended my teaching career.

And I had to look for other employment. And it’s a pretty ruthless world! And I learned a lot about human nature.

Monika Schaefer: No doubt! No doubt you did, Paul, as did I. This isolation tactic, and you perfectly said it earlier, that first the defamation and the isolation and then the criminalization!

Paul Fromm: Yeah. Now, because once you’re isolated, it’s easier to take you to court. You’ve got no friends, presumably now, no money, except your own, if you have any. And you know, you’re the ideal victim.

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Monika Schaefer: We’re coming up against the bottom of the hour, but please hold on and we’ll be right back after these messages.

Thank you very much for listening.

[29:28]

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Monika Schaefer: Okay, I think we’ll like to welcome you back to The Flipside with Monika and our guest, Paul Fromm. And we have a little bit more to discuss and talk about, and then we would like to take callers in the last 15 minutes of the show. So the number for that is 512 248 8252 or toll free 1800 313 9443.

Now, Paul, you were just going to tell us a story about your association or what they perceived as your association with the KKK. Why don’t you tell us what you had in mind there.

Paul Fromm: A radical Leftist author at the time dealt with the so-called Right in Canada and did a profile on me. And she called me a sort of a Fred McMurray character. You know, shirt and tie, gentle spoken, button down, and a good teacher. Okay.

But when it came time for my, … When they were trying to take away my teaching certificate, one of the allegations by one of my former department heads was:

“Well, the rumor was I was a member of the Ku Klux Klan.”

And so when I had her on the witness stand, I said:

“Well, okay. Would that concern you?”

She said:

“Well, yes.”

I said:

“Well, where did you get the information?”

“Well, it was sort of general knowledge.”

I said:

“Come on, you’re university educated. You know the scientific method. I mean, you have to prove things. Well, what was the proof?”

“Oh, well, it was generally known.”

And I said:

“Okay, you thought that was the case. And you saw me every day in the English department office. Why didn’t you ever ask me? I mean, ‘is it true you’re a member of the Klan?’.”

“Oh, well, people were afraid of you.”

I said:

“Why was that? Did I ever threaten you?”

“No.”

“Did I ever threaten anybody else around the school?”

“Well, no.”

“Did I threaten the students?”

“Well, no.”

“So I said, nobody ever threatened you had this concern or belief, but you never asked me!”

Monika Schaefer: Isn’t that something!

Paul Fromm: And I thought:

“Honest to God, these people are disgusting!”

You know?

Monika Schaefer: Well, that’s, … I mean, I could think of many examples of similar stories like that wherever they could have just asked a simple question. Like the judge in Germany at one of my bail hearings, when afterwards, the justification for keeping me in jail was longer than our meeting itself, or it took longer to read it than the meeting took itself. And there were some ridiculous assumptions they made that I thought:

“Well, they could have just asked me that!”

But they didn’t. They just have their preconceived agenda, or their notion. And besides which, I’ll just say this, Paul, about the KKK. It’s another one of those things that, my goodness, have we ever been lied to about that whole organization! Not that I want to get into that now. I would be going down a whole another rabbit trail for our hour now.

But it’s just another one of those things that we’ve been really, really deceived about the nature of that organization and the history and whatnot, and what they did and what it was about.

So, yeah, just to put that. But there you go. They didn’t even ask you if you were part of it, but they just assumed you were. And that’s it. Verdict is made, and then, …

Paul Fromm: The fix was in. I was never going to win that hearing anyway, but I certainly landed a lot of, … Messed these witnesses up pretty well. And even through the help of Dave Lindsay, who is a sort of he doesn’t like being called a paralegal, because legally he’s not. But he probably knows more about the law than most lawyers anyway.

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

Paul Fromm: I was told at one point it would cost., … The hearing was supposed to go on for about 20 some days, and it would cost about $1,000 a day for the transcript. And there’s no way I could afford it. By this time, the union was no longer supporting me. So my entire defense was out of my own pocket.

Well, Dave said:

“We will challenge that before the committee on the basis that the Magna Carta says that ‘justice shall not be bought or sold’.”

And we knocked them on their rear ends with that argument!:

“Look, if I’m not allowed to have the transcript, if I have to pay for it and I can’t afford it, justice is being denied to me!”

Well, that absolutely flummoxed them! And in the end, I got my transcript free!

So we won a few. Maybe I didn’t win the main battle, but it was a great fight. Oh, yes!

And at one of the sessions, two members of the jewish Defense League [JDL, not the ADL, but similar], they were picketing the hearing that day. I mean, God knows why! They wanted me gone. But okay, that’s what the hearing was about.

So the two members jumped into this elevator as I got in and they tried to attack me! And two metro police were in the elevator. They did it right in front of the cops and the cops restrained them, so they never landed the blow on me. And yeah, yeah, it was, as they said back in those days, a hairy time!

Monika Schaefer: Oh, my goodness! Yeah.

And so, okay, so thanks for telling us about your story. Basically, I’m sure there, we could talk for hours about it and we still wouldn’t have heard all the interesting details about it.

But then, you know what I find so admirable is then what you’ve been doing for the last several decades with the Canadian Association for Free Expression and with C-FAR. What does C-FAR stand for?

Paul Fromm: It stands for Citizens for Foreign Aid Reform. But our major endeavor is publishing the Canadian Immigration Hotline. Our major issue is [word unclear] immigration.

Monika Schaefer: Right. And then you’ve also assisted and been involved, I think, to some degree or other, with many speech crime trials in Canada. And Arthur Tophams, that’s where I first met you face to face. And I know you were involved in many others. And there are current political prisoners. The two that come to my mind, and there might be more, but I’m not sure right now. But Leslie Bory, who is in prison in Ontario, and it’s probably the worst prison in Canada, it sounds like the conditions are just horrendous!

And then there’s Brad Love in northern Alberta. And he’s going to come out of, and yeah, … I hear some music, but it’s for a different show there! [chuckling] Okay. That’s it! It’s taken care of thanks.

Yeah, so we could talk a little bit about both of them. I had thought about reading excerpts, but I probably should dedicate a whole show to reading some excerpts out of their letters. I’m in correspondence with both of them. Brad Love is soon coming out. Like, I think in just a few days, maybe in a week from now or so. he did just a little tiny blurb here when he was writing, this was back in, let’s see, May. And there were lots of fires.

And so he was a bit concerned about his home. Because eight years ago he lost everything. And he says:

“Please, not again, Lord. But my landlord says all is well up there. Yet, still I’m nervous. I’d call the Mayor up there, but he would call the cops on me or he called the cops on me in 2020. I’d call the newspaper. But yeah, the same thing I kid you not! Oh, yeah. Radio station as well. And two MP’s. Should I continue?”

So [chuckling] you see, he’s in jail for writing letters and making phone calls to these representatives that are supposed to be available for us, the citizens! But that’s what he’s in jail for, because I guess they feel that he is pestering them too much.

And then there’s Leslie Bory, who has been in jail now for 16 months plus. And he has not yet been formally charged. Is that correct, Paul? Can you talk a little bit about that? And then we’ll take some callers before we reach the top of the hour.

[46:37]

Paul Fromm: The great abuses of the Canadian justice system is the remand system.

Now, you have a right, if you’re accused of a crime, charged with a crime, to get reasonable bail. That is a right. And it can only be canceled for very serious reasons.

Now, we, without naming names, but summarizing, there are a number of instances recently of people even, who’ve been accused of murder, who are out on bail, armed robbery, shooting people, blah, blah, blah, out on bail!

But political dissidents, like one of the leaders of the truckers Freedom Convoy, Tamara Lich, she’d been in jail for 57 days, denied bail, and when she finally did get bail, she was virtually a prisoner in her own home, not allowed on the Internet, etcetera. Political dissidents have trouble getting bail. And that was Leslie Bory. Leslie had his own little television program on the Internet, I think it was called Brantford TV. And he took some pretty strong stands about, about jews, about police, and so on.

And so he did a broadcast on February 11th of 2023. Four days later, …

Monika Schaefer: Two days later, I believe.

Paul Fromm: Yeah, two days later the police show up armed, to the job he held in a workshop, and guns pointed. The guy was unarmed.

Monika Schaefer: He said he had a lunch kit in one hand and keys in the other hand, and they took him down, you know, SWAT team, like. Yeah, like a dangerous criminal style!

Paul Fromm: The police were raiding his home. They stole his computer and various towers, and his wife was taken off in handcuffs, put in a police cruiser. They put those spike strips across the street, blocked the street off. The woman is unarmed! And she was never charged. There was nothing to charge her with. But anyway, …

Monika Schaefer: So it’s to make a big scene, isn’t it, to show the neighborhood:

“There’s a very dangerous man living here!”

I mean, they did that to me. They came with their flashing lights, two of their, you know, reds and blues vehicles. And I lived like half a block from the RCMP station in Jasper, and yet they drove over with their lights going full bore. And I lived in a co-op there. So dense housing and so that all the neighbors could:

“See what a dangerous person lives here!”

[chuckling]

Paul Fromm: What did she do!:

“Oh, my God! Are our dogs even safe around her?”

But so it was a high impact takedown, and he was charged with three counts of uttering threats against groups, not individuals.

And then later he was charged with one count under the hate law:

“The willful promotion of hate against a privileged group.”

In this case, jews. And one count of:

“Willfully promoting genocide.”

And, okay, all these are non-violent offenses.

Monika Schaefer: If I could just interject, Paul. He’s the messenger. The long and the short of it is that he is the messenger. I say don’t shoot the messenger!

I mean, this is how it is right now.

And we do have a caller on the line, but if you’d like to just complete that thought briefly, we’ll take the call.

Paul Fromm: Anyway. He’s basically in there for running his mouth in a politically incorrect way.

Monika Schaefer: Right.

Paul Fromm: He had bad thoughts as opposed to people who get bail who did bad things, or I should say, do bad things, anyway.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. The irony is he could be in jail already, sitting in jail longer than what the charge would merit, as in the he’s already, … Like, they won’t let him out until he’s already served the time. That even if he’s guilty of some crime, like, you know what I mean? Like, they just hold him there.

Paul Fromm: He probably already has. Anyway, that was February 14, 2023. Despite numerous attempts to get bail, they have failed. Bail denied. He remains there in warehouse. And there is a very large number of people in Canada, particularly in Ontario, who are essentially being warehoused. They call it “remand”. They’re not given bail, and they’re just there in bad conditions in a prison week after week.

He is now being in for over 500 days. We’ve had six protests outside the prison to support him, and this is a real injustice. His alleged crime are bad words and bad thoughts! He hasn’t hurt anybody. But the system fears the thinker far more than they do the guy that goes and beats someone.

Monika Schaefer: That is the key, Paul! The system that is composed of the criminals. The criminals are running the show. They fear the speech. You know, the truth more than anything else, because that is exactly what will undermine their power!

[52:33]

Paul Fromm: If your audience has ever read Alexander Solzhenitsyn. He described the conditions in the prison camps, the Gulags, and yes, things were not very good for anybody. But killers and rapists and robbers were not treated as badly as the political prisoners. That incident is punished far more!

Monika Schaefer: This is what we’re seeing now. Mr Producer, could you bring in Larkin from Texas? Because we just have five minutes remaining and we’d like to., … He’s been waiting for a while there. Are you there, Lark?

Lark: I am. Thanks, Monika.

Monika Schaefer: Go ahead.

Lark: And how are you, Paul? Paul, I must say that I’ve long wanted to talk to you. Quickly. Are you familiar with Sam Dixon?

Paul Fromm: Oh, yeah. Great friend of mine.

Lark: Yeah. Maybe you could talk to him sometime. He did a keynote address on behalf of Richard Spencer and his group a dozen years ago and you can find it online. It was called America the God that Failed. And in the first couple. In the first couple of minutes, Mr Dixon describes himself as a communitarian.

So this is an important word that I want to bring to your attention because I’ve been researching this for 20 years. You know, I learned quite a bit about what you are confronting by a Professor, the late Doctor Harrell Rome.

Paul Fromm: Oh, yes, I knew him years ago. Yes.

Lark: Yeah. His stuff is still to be found on the Internet. But and this is for you too, Monika.

The truth is, you guys are running into what’s called R2P, or Responsibility to Protect. And this is a part and parcel of communitarian law.

Now, all law enforcement in America since the Patriot Act post 9/11 has been communitarian law enforcement. And it’s taken hold of the courts. Don’t forget that on day 9/11, 2001, it was a Canadian that was captain of the ship there at NORAD in Colorado Springs, Colorado. They basically were part of the command structure.

So the point is that a lot of Canadian history, as we all know, has been tied to the hip with the events that occurred in America over time. And we’ve heard talk about the North American Union and stuff like that. Well, this is actually occurring right on our watch.

But here’s why it called. If you do a search, it’s called COREVALUES, all capped. One word. COREVALUES. It was published in 2013. I’ve already supplied a link to the board op for your benefit, Monika and Paul.

Monika Schaefer: Thank you.

Lark: And yeah, if you guys look at that, you’re going to get at the root of how it is that you’re being railroaded and essentially being harmed by the justice system. And because we have simply not been made aware, we were never sent the memo that the new law of the entire world in a hyper connected time is the same law as the European Union, because that’s the legal undergirding. And that law in the European Union is known as Communitarian Law. So I’ve dropped you a few breadcrumbs. You can always reach out to me if you ever want to talk. But this is what’s at the root of what has happened to you, Paul.

Paul Fromm: So you’ll have to give us a contact.

Monika Schaefer: Thank you, Lark, for that call. Excellent call! And I do see the link there, so maybe, Paul, you can see it as well. We can use that link before we lose after the end of the call here. And we just have about a minute left. But thank you again, Lark, for the call. Excellent information.

So, Paul, would you like to tell people where they can find your work, your newsletters online, that kind of thing? Go ahead.

Paul Fromm: Yes. Well, first of all, if you want to contact me and get samples of my newsletters, email me at Paul@paulfromm.com. That’s Paulfromm.com. The free speech website is CAFE. Cafe.nfs.host.com. Or go online for the Canadian Association for Free Expression and you’ll get the contact there.

Monika Schaefer: Paul, 10 seconds. What about any other words to take us out?

Paul Fromm: It’s really important that you support the people who are in prison, the political prisoners. Get the address from Monika or me and drop them a note.

Monika Schaefer: Freespeechmonika.com has the political prisoner addresses. Thank you so much! Thank you, Paul, for coming on our show. And thank you, Mr Producer, for your excellent work. And we’ll see you next week.

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Monika Schaefer

The Flipside with Monika

Ep 2 – Alfred Schaefer

Sat, Jul 6, 2024

[In this weekly podcast episode on Republic Broadcasting Network, Canadian nationalist and author, Monika Schaefer has her brother Alfred Schaefer as a guest. He talks about real life stories which become metaphorical for our epic struggle that we find ourselves in. One is an ice-skating story and the other is a sailing story, both of which were life-threatening situations.

Key points include:

1. Monica introduces her brother Alfred as her first guest on her new show.

2. Monica provides background that they grew up in Canada but Alfred now lives in Germany.

3. Alfred tells a story about ice skating on a frozen lake in Germany.

4. A man fell through the ice but was able to pull himself out, becoming hypothermic.

5. Alfred yelled at the man to crawl to safety but he refused due to hypothermia confusion.

6. Eventually the man crawled to Alfred with encouragement.

7. Alfred connects this to people today not understanding real dangers due to indoctrination.

8. Alfred discusses a sailing trip where the rudder failed crossing the Atlantic.

9. The crew had to stabilize the boat without steering.

10. Some boastful crew members complained while others stepped up.

11. The crew neared the Irish coast using teamwork and skills.

12. Alfred believes a similar approach is needed as more people awaken to real problems.

13. He maintains voting will not solve the issues and that hands-on work is required.

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Monika Schaefer: Good evening and good day, everyone. It is Saturday, July 6th, in the year 2024, and the producer is working hard at there was a little technical glitch, and that’s why there’s no music. But I am sure we’ll get that going before the end of the show.

Yeah. My name is Monika Schaefer, and this is episode two of The Flip Side with Monika. And I am very happy to welcome my first guest on this episode, and that would be my brother, Alfred Schaefer! I’m going to give you a little bit of backstory for I’m always hoping that there are new listeners.

And actually, before I do that, I want to make a shout out to a couple of people. One is a shout out to Frederick, that’s aka Blackbird9 of the Saturday Snack Shack fame. Because he’s really been taking me under his wing. It was through his show just over a month ago that I even got this gig here on the Republic Broadcasting Network, and I’m just so grateful for that. And I didn’t really do a proper shout out to him last week, so I’m doing that now. Thank you so much, Frederick, for helping me out and kind of taking me under your wing. Yes, thank you!

And also Mer Bailey. She has a show on Sundays on the Republic Broadcasting Network. The title, which I believe is Yours Truly with Mer, I believe that’s the full title. And she did set up an account for me on Chatango.

So it is the Flipside W Monika.

So the W short for with so The Flip Side with Monika, but the just The Flipside W Monika dot chatango. Chatango.com. And that is a chat room where people can post things or ask questions or make comments, that kind of thing. It’s not very active yet over there because I’ve just begun! And I’m just hearing something in the background, but I think, yeah, we’ll carry on.

So I wanted to take care of those two messages of thanks to Mer for setting up that account.

Okay. So my brother Alfred, just briefly, we all grew up in Canada. So our parents, they immigrated from Germany to Canada in the early 1950s, and they had five children. We are all Canadian. And Alfred is the second eldest. I am the fourth in the family. So the second youngest in the family.

And Alfred, it turns out, reverse migrated in the eighties, in the 1980s. So he’s been living in Germany since several decades. He worked for a while in Canada, saved up enough money to do some traveling, cycling, and whatnot, and ended up staying in Germany.

And so that’s how it came to be that Alfred is living in Germany and I’m living in Canada, but we grew up in Canada together. And that’s kind of an important point because a lot of people have been a bit confused by that, including the judge in our trial! [chuckling]

Okay, so today we’d like to talk about some stories that probably Alfred hasn’t talked about on too many broadcasts before. And these are nice stories from the past, which happen to connect and tie in very nicely with the predicament that we find ourselves in now. One is a sailing story. One is a skating story. So you might wonder what this has to do with the predicament that we find ourselves in. But we’re going to get into that.

But before we do, I just want to say, welcome to The Flip Side with Monika! And welcome to this episode number two. And my first guest, and that is Alfred.

How are you today? In the wee hours of the morning, I might add, because it is the wee hours, Sunday morning for you.

Thank you so much for getting up so early. [chuckling]

Alfred Schaefer: Okay. Yeah. Thanks, Monika, for, first of all, for hosting the show and having me on your show. Yeah. It’s 02:00 am in the morning for me now, but that’s not a problem. This is a 24 hours job for us now to get this right. [chuckling] What’s going on in the world.

Yeah. There’s an event that happened to when I was quite new in Germany, actually.

You know, I think it might have been 1985 or something like that. I don’t remember the exact year.

Monika Schaefer: Are we talking about the sailing event, Alfred?

Alfred Schaefer: No, the ice!

Monika Schaefer: Oh, okay. If you want to start with that’s fine, because that was what then you, … I was going to give a little bit more backstory for why that is important right now.

But, yeah, let’s go with that.

Basically, in the trial, which took place in 2018. And this was a trial in Germany for us, both Alfred and myself. And it just had to do with, you know, Paragraph 130. And that’s the so-called, “Holocaust Denial Law”.

But anyway, Alfred did speak for about a day and a half. The German system, justice system, whatever else you might say about it, though, the one thing remaining that is still good about it is that they do give the accused “the last word”. And you can talk for as long as you want, as long as it is relevant to whatever it is that the charges are against you. And if they, the judge might question on that. Well, if you can demonstrate how it is relevant, then you carry on talking.

And so Alfred did talk for a day and a half at that trial. And he basically wove the whole thing into this tapestry of this story that he’s going to tell you about in a moment. And that is this ice skating story. And the judge did actually question Alfred, like:

“How is this relevant, and how is that relevant?”

And always you were able to bring it back to how it is relevant. And I was actually really moved by that, how you wove this tapestry together with this story.

So with that bit of an introduction to that story, please go ahead and tell what happened there back in, when was it, in the 1980s, when you were pretty new over there? Okay.

[08:42]

Alfred Schaefer: Correct. Yeah. Thanks, Monika, for bringing this additional information. Yeah, this is a story, I find it such a coincidence that this story happened to me. Because it’s helped me so much in helping to understand what’s at stake for us now, basically.

So I’ll just go into the story.

It was in the wintertime, obviously, and Ammersee, which is the lake where I was living at the time, is here near Munich. It had frozen over, which doesn’t happen very often, maybe once every ten years or so. and a snowstorm was set to come in. So I say:

“Well, I’ve got to skate across this lake one last time.”

Because it was just so beautiful, so wonderful! The pure, clear ice. And coming from Canada, of course, young people in Canada generally all skate.

So, anyway, I take off with my skates, go from the Herrsching to the other side in Diessen, it’s probably, I think, maybe 25 minutes or something to cross. I don’t even remember exactly how long it took.

But as I was going across, the snow was starting to set in stronger and stronger. And I get to the other side. There was some ice hockey players there and so forth.

So I just basically touched the other shore and headed back. And the snowstorm was increasing rapidly. Until the vision was basically like in a fog. I couldn’t see much at all anymore, but I could still maintain direction. That wasn’t the problem. Then suddenly I saw this. It looked like a seal laying on the ice. And I said:

“What the hell is that? A seal on the ice?”

So I went in that direction. And then suddenly, an arm! The seal raised an arm, and I could hear a help cry:

“Hilfe! Hilfe!”

And I said:

“Holy smokes. What’s this here? There’s a guy laying there on the ice. What’s he doing there?”

And then I reduced my speed, because I was skating, I reduced my speed. And then I heard the ice starting to make cracking sounds underneath my feet. So I instantly go down on all fours to spread my weight a little bit. And I started communicating with him, and I asked him:

“Hey, what’s wrong? What’s the problem?”

And he says:

“Well, I broke in. I broke in!”

But he wasn’t in the ice. He was laying on top of the ice.

And then through this continuing dialogue, he told me, yeah, he had broken in, and he managed to crawl out onto the ice, which is a major feat! Normally when somebody breaks into the ice and doesn’t have a pick or something as some kind of a tool to pick his way out of the ice.

Monika Schaefer: Like to anchor.

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah, like an anchor, right. It’s very hard, and very few people could do it. But this guy was obviously very athletic. He was fairly young, you know, healthy, athletic. And he managed to pull himself out of the ice. He wasn’t on skates. He was walking on foot. But he had these, at that time, these Walkmans were kind of in mode kind of thing, and he wasn’t paying attention to the sounds around him. And he broke in.

But he did manage to get out, and here he was. Had managed to get himself out of the life threatening situation that he had suddenly found himself in, namely, broken through the ice. Managed to get out, and then he started to. He was shocked, I guess it was, …

Monika Schaefer: Hypothermic, you could say. He must have been hypothermic. And you don’t think clearly anymore.

Alfred Schaefer: Exactly! Exactly! That’s exactly what happened. Hypothermia was setting in, and he thought it was more important to get his hands warmed up than to just start moving and get away from the hole where he had broken into.

And so I says:

“Hey, well, come on, come to me. I cannot come to you! You’ve got to move. Crawl! Crawl on all fours towards me, or on your belly. Crawl over to me. I cannot come to you!”

And of course, that was way before we had cell phones or anything like that.

And for me to go and get help would have been also his end, because the snow was setting in, and it was a pure coincidence that I happened to see him on my way back across the lake.

If I would have left him to go get help, we’d never find him again. And time is life or death in a situation like this.

And no matter how much I tried to convince him:

“Hey, your hands are not important. Just start moving towards me!”

He refused! He just says:

“No, I have to warm my hands. My hands are cold!”

And he’s laying on his belly there, rubbing his hands, thinking that’s important. His mind had., … It was like he did not understand! He could not reason anymore. And no matter how much I screamed at him, his hands were more important. And he just laid there.

And finally I got more fierce and more ferocious until he finally, I guess, finally I did make an impression on him. And after considerable screaming and yelling and insulting him and whatnot, he did start crawling towards me.

[14:24]

Now, all this yelling and screaming was not because I was angry with him. No! It was simply because I understood. Growing up in Canada, one learns the effects of hypothermia, and why when you’re getting cold and you’re hiking or something, you are not supposed to sit down and think, you can rest. You have to keep moving until you can actually find something where you can to warm up somehow. Because what if you sit down in the snow because you’re tired, that’s the last time you ever sit down, and you will die in that position.

And this guy was in a found himself in a position where he had actually managed to get with his own self, get himself out of the water.

And yet the hypothermia put him in a state of mind where he did not understand the next steps that he needs to follow through with to ensure that he survived.

And this is very much akin to what we collectively find ourselves in today in our world with what’s going on in our indoctrinated state of mind! We have been indoctrinated all our lives to the point where now the zombies, if you will, who still, who believe these lies, they are no longer capable of making the decisions that will save their lives!

And I mean, like fear from Corona snakes and getting a bioweapon vaccine, I mean, how many people has that already killed? And how many people will be dying and are dying every single day now because they listen to this nonsense and allowed themselves to be injected with a bio weapon.

Monika Schaefer: So Alfred, yeah, that’s fantastic!

And just before you carry on with that the analogy to today’s zombies basically not making the right decisions for their lives. I’m sure that the listeners are very curious how it actually ended with this guy. [chuckling] You just got to complete the story!

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. Okay.

Fnally, he was more afraid of my screaming at him than he was concerned about his poor cold hands. [chuckling] And he did start moving towards me. And then finally, as soon as he made his first little move, I was just elated:

“Okay, he’s coming! He’s coming!”

So I kept yelling and yelling and yelling until he got close enough to me. And then we backed away from the area where he was. And then I got up, and I helped him get on his feet, and then I walked with him. I was on my skates. He was just on his feet. And we headed towards the shore where these ice hockey skaters were.

After his first steps, he could see, he’s getting better. He’s getting better. He can do this! We’re going to make it!

And then when I got in sight of the shore, I say:

“Okay, you see those people over there? I’m going to go over there and tell them that you are on the way to join them. You need to get into a warm place and so forth.”

So I scooted ahead, told those people:

“You see that guy out there? He’s coming in your direction. He was in the ice. He needs help. He has to go into a warm place.”

He was saved with them.

Monika Schaefer: The reason you did that. I know that you had told us at the time it was getting dark. You needed to get yourself back across the ice, and the snowstorm was just getting bigger and bigger. Isn’t that the way it was, Alfred?

[Image: Monika skating safely in Canada]

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. Yes. And my whole concern there was this, because the snow was just getting more and more intense. I wanted to get myself back to the other shore. And seldom in my life did I feel such intense fear! Every time there was any kind of sounds that were like. Because this was this was in my bones now!

Monika Schaefer: Oh yeah!

Alfred Schaefer: Like, I just strided back to the other side, …

Monika Schaefer: And to avoid that fall. And here you are in the snowstorm. I can imagine that would have been spooky. And I do know from a lot of experience of ice skating on lakes, I call it “wild skating”. It’s one of my passions. I just love it! And I seek every opportunity to do. So but if somebody hasn’t done this before, and if they’re with me, they freak out at every little “ping, pong”. You know, you hear these sounds when the ice is making sort of these distance, distant, like, cracks form. That’s just a natural thing, even if the ice is thick. And there’s these “pings”! You know, and it’s a lot of fun, but in your state there. Yes. And it’s getting dark. I can only hardly imagine, actually, how frightening that would have been. Carry on. Thank you.

[Image: Monika avoiding becoming a seal, …]

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah, but this experience of having., … But just the only thing I physically did for this man who had broken in the ice was “words”. Yelling at him! Screaming at him! I did nothing else for him. He did it all for himself. And that’s what we have to do now. We have to reach our people who are just refusing to open their eyes! Refusing to want to grasp what is going on, but they do need to be reached!

And then, with their own strength, with their own resolve and power, we will save ourselves from this death matrix under which we are presently suffocating!

And, I mean, I noticed you and I, Monika, we were indoctrinated just like everybody else was.

Monika Schaefer: Certainly were! [chuckling]

Alfred Schaefer: And we’ve come out of it, and coming out was a very traumatizing process.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, yeah!

[20:13]

Alfred Schaefer: And these people who have not yet made the first step, they will all be needing incredible help and care when they do come out of this matrix. Because you change in your entire being once you detoxify, you know, decontaminate yourself from these horrible poisons, these toxins of these lies!

And that’s the process we’re seeing now in full steam, in full force. It’s really going fast now.

But this experience proved to me that it is possible. And without that, having had that experience, I don’t know if I would have had the perseverance to keep going in the struggle that we’re in now. But having experienced that, I know it is possible. It is possible!

And I’m seeing signs of every time I meet somebody who understands everything, I’m just elated because:

“There’s another one! Another one who understands!”

And so forth. And now our numbers are growing very rapidly, Monika.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, that’s fantastic! And I will just reiterate how you wove that into your “last word” as you were basically discussing our situation that we find ourselves and always bringing it back to that. And, it’s related also to this old saying about “don’t shoot the messenger”. You know, in this case, yeah, you had to really scream and yell at that guy. And you finally did get through to him in spite of his hypothermic state of mind and just how you must have just really had to scream and probably use some words that we can’t repeat on the radio here today, to just get through.

And then he did save his life with his own effort. Well, you did save his life. You really did! Because like you said earlier, I mean, if you hadn’t have just happened to come along, he would have sunk deeper into that hypothermic state. And when a person does go into that state, they actually do enter a pleasant state where they hallucinate.

I mean, there are lots of people who have, you know, been rescued from the hypothermic state where they will tell afterwards:

“Yeah, they were enjoying themselves!”

And people who are in a snowbank at 30 below, they’ll take off their jacket and mitts because they’re feeling really warm and toasty and enjoying themselves!

But that also compares to our current state, doesn’t it, Alfred? Because people are just going around just thinking everything is tickety boo. Perhaps some of the members of our own family are in that category. [chuckling] We don’t have to mention their names or anything. But yeah, but yet, okay, … When we’re bringing our message! Yeah, that’s what we’re trying to do, is rattle people awake. And go ahead. You have something you want to add to that?

Alfred Schaefer: What I had mentioned a few times during our court trial was that this is as if that guy who I had saved, whose life I had saved, just by screaming at him about getting him to understand the reality, as if he would come to me now, years later, and accuse me of not being polite enough!:

“Oh, you weren’t nice enough. You weren’t politically correct enough. You called me bad names and you hurt my feelings with those bad names.”

This is a life and death struggle that we are in. And everybody will, at some point in time, many will know it as they die:

“Oh. Oh! That was a mistake!”

But others are waking up. More and more are waking up. And this isn’t about being nice and being polite and so forth. This is about flying a flight path, or a course that where we don’t crash into the mountain, kind of thing. It should never have come to this point as we find ourselves now. That’s how it is.

And thank God, Monika! Thank God, that we are now seeing in this death matrix the typical last phase is when they make laws against naming the problem! And that’s always the last state, because then they just go into a panic kind of thing. And that’s what we’re seeing these days.

So now is a good time for everybody just to understand what’s going on and go full force! Completely ignoring any blots of toner or laws that they may have, telling us what we are allowed to say and not allowed to say. These people have no right to tell us what we are not allowed to say, as they are trying to kill us!

Monika Schaefer: Exactly! Exactly! If anybody thinks that they even have the right, or who would even dream of thinking that they can make a law to put our history into existence in a certain way. Does that even make sense? Or making a law that you’re not allowed to dislike a certain group of people or name a certain group of people, or just point out simple facts about that certain group of people? Well, if they need to make laws against that, then we know that there’s a problem with that certain group of people! It just is so obvious!

And I guess, we just have to carry on trying to wake people up to these very simple things! I do have a hard time sometimes to fathom that it is not becoming quite apparent to everybody. But the spell, the spell is so deep and so big that has been cast on our people and through words. Through word magic, really, even just the word “spell”, that also means to spell a word, like spelling. You know, we all participated in spelling bees in grade school, so to spell a word, but it also means this thing that is like casting a spell, like magic! Isn’t that interesting? Oh, there’s so many words when you study the language and how they have these multiple meanings, that they actually tell us things.

[26:32]

And while I’m thinking of this word magic, here’s an interesting one. It’s different from our topics here, Alfred, but I just am thinking of it, so I’m going to throw it out there. Think of the word “Aboriginal”, because lately I’ve been talking and thinking a lot about in Canada we’ve got this, these stories being concocted about the graves and mass graves and whatnot. And it’s very similar to the stories they concocted about World War Two and the so-called “Holocaust”.

And we’re getting our own “holocaust” set being set up right now as I speak. But think of the word “Aboriginal”. This is how they call the indigenous peoples of North America. Also in Australia, I know they use the word Aboriginal. Okay, think of the word “normal” and “abnormal”. Now think of the word “original” and “Aboriginal”. I’ll leave it at that they tell us things with the words! A dear friend of mine just pointed that out to me, so a shout out to him.

Okay, so, Alfred, there is another story that I would like you to tell the listeners, and that is when you were, … You had done quite a few sailing trips, and you could give a little bit of background about that beautiful old schooner that you had the privilege of getting onto. And I know we’re coming close to the bottom of the hour, and I’m not sure if the producer has sorted out the music.

[Image: Alfred pondering rudder design, …]

So if we hear that break well, … We’ve got a couple of minutes so we can get the story started and then continue after the break. But tell a little bit of background about the schooner, because I think that’s such a neat story.

And then about your sailing trip and where you found yourself in the middle of the Atlantic without a rudder [chuckling] and what happened next.

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. Before I start that story, I just want to say thank you for talking about this spell that we are under.

Red Ice Radio: Nicholas Kollerstrom — TRANSCRIPT

And I remember Nick Kollerstrom, and he had written that book, Breaking the Spell, and it was about the Holocaust, the “hollow hoax”. And I find that’s a very good way of looking at these things because it is a spell! It’s a spell like somebody has a magic wand and can get you paralyzed with that with abracadabra! Saying a few words and down you’re on your knees. That’s what these things are like, the Holocaust spell.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah!

Alfred Schaefer: And setting up these. And teaching our children these things in schools. That is actually a “mind rape”, is what that is.

Monika Schaefer: It is.

Alfred Schaefer: And it’s an absolute mind rape.

Monika Schaefer: And back to your skating. And the guy who pulled himself out of the ice water there, the hypothermic state that he was in, it’s a different kind of a mind. It’s not a spell, but it put him also into a state of mind where he could not think clearly.

So that was a very, very good analogy and a good story.

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. It’s like an anesthesia to the mind. It’s like a lobotomy. You are these people. It’s like a runner who has a broken leg. He cannot run as he could if his legs were healthy.

Monika Schaefer: Whoops! I think we’re up at the break now.

Alfred Schaefer: Okay. We’re into the break.

Monika Schaefer: Without the music! We’ll get that sorted out for next week because we did have bumper music. Nice, classic music. But okay, here we go.

Alfred Schaefer: Here we go. Okay.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, good. There it is.

[music break]

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[37:28]

Monika Schaefer: Welcome back to The Flip Side with Monika. And thank you so much, Mr Producer, for getting that music going. That is just such a beautiful piece.

So, Alfred, before you get into this sailing story, we had another very short story, but it gives me the opportunity to highlight and mention and give a shout out to the absolutely critical and fantastic work that Professor Robert Faurisson did over the course of about four decades. He worked incredibly hard at putting, pulling together, investigating evidence, actual physical evidence, topographical evidence, documentary evidence, all these different kinds of evidence at Auschwitz, predominantly, I think, and to basically refute the mainstream story that we’ve been told about what happened at Auschwitz.

But anyway, I missed out on the great pleasure of meeting him. I never met him in person. But you did, Alfred.

So why don’t you just share this little short story? Because it does demonstrate that in all the serious, … And he was a man who was. What did he say? Something about “attention to details”. He said it a little bit differently. Maybe you remember exactly the words he used. Always attention to details.

But he also had a wonderful sense of humor, I think, because this story kind of does show that. Go ahead, Alfred.

Jim Rizoli Interviews Prof Robert Faurisson, Oct 2015 — TRANSCRIPT

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah, yeah. That was a Professor Robert Faurisson. And the amazing thing is that he persevered for so many, like so early on he understood somehow where these lies were heading, where in our minds they were just, we didn’t even take them seriously. But he knew. No, no, this has to be taken seriously. And he was completely and totally uncompromising when it’s came to the details of the truth! You know, no compromising on that. And he always said:

“With the Holocaust, you’ve got to start with the gas. And there was no gas for any human beings! For like, that was a complete fabrication and absolute total fabrication!”

And so forth.

Of course we know that.

But anyway, I want to tell you, I was so lucky, so fortunate to be in a little group that went and visited him in Vichy on his 88th birthday in France there. And there’s quite a number of people there.

And when I got to sort of in the line to shake his hand and say hello to him, he was sitting in his chair there. And I says:

“Yeah, hi, I’m Alfred Schaefer.”

He looks up at me, says:

“Who’s Alfred Schaefer? I don’t know Alfred Schaefer.”

And I [chuckling] said:

“Well, I’m Monika’s brother.”

And with my arm, I pretended I was holding a violin and, like, playing a violin. And he instantly recognized who I’m talking about! And he jumped up from his chair and just gave me a huge hug! Like a real bear hug. A big hug! And he says:

“This hug is not for you! It’s for your sister Monika! I give this hug to your sister, Monika!”

And of course, I’ll never forget that. So I gave you that hug back several times.

Monika Schaefer: It was in court. In court! It actually in the courtroom is where you passed on. No?

Alfred Schaefer: Oh, yeah. There. Yeah. Yes, it was!

Monika Schaefer: Because this birthday party, I think it took place while I was in prison [chuckling] or somewhere around that time. No? But I think you’re exaggerating that he did know who you were. And you’re very humble, Alfred, to tell it as if he didn’t know who you were. [chuckling] Because it’s not how I heard it last time. I think he jumped up and just gave you the hug and then said:

“It was not for you, but for your sister!”

But anyway, you’re being very humble there that to say he didn’t know you, [chuckling] but I wasn’t there, so maybe that’s how it went. [chuckling]

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. Because it’s like he meets a lot of people and so he can’t know everybody.

But then at that time, Monika, that piece

, Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the Holocaust. It really hit a chord! It was unique! We never had anything like that before. And that’s a what brought this enthusiasm and joy to people was to see such a simple message, and it just sticks in their minds.

Basically. This five minute video, Monika, undid hundreds of millions of dollars worth of indoctrination that they had spent and invested to get us believing all this utter nonsense! It was so powerful, Monika! So innocent and so beautiful! So that was a piece of history! So that’s, you know. Yeah.

Monika Schaefer: Well, that’s real nice. Thanks, Alfred.

Okay, so let’s get on to the sailing story. Tell us about that!

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. Through a chain reaction of coincidences, or whatever you want to call it. I was a crew member on an old sailing schooner, as a yacht, or whatever you want to call it was a built as a ship, an old wooden boat built in 1937, I think it was.

And the first time that we sailed this thing across the Atlantic, the North Atlantic, was in 2003. It was the Daimler Chrysler North Atlantic Challenge. And we were actually overstaffed, if you will, on this boat. Normally it’d be eight people on this boat, and we had, I think about eleven or something like that.

And anyway, the day after, our navigator said:

“Hey, listen, as we’re halfway from Newport, Rhode Island, Newport, halfway to Ireland, because it was going to go over the north of the UK kind of thing and so forth, halfway between Newport and Ireland and equally far to Greenland or Iceland.”

And that night, it was the other watch, the other shift kind of thing that was at the helm. Then the skipper went through the boat and he says:

“We have a rudder failure. Rudder failure!”

And I’ll never forget that, because we had a mechanical rudder failure, meaning that we couldn’t steer anymore with the steering wheel. And from an instant., … Oh, do we have music coming in? Okay.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I’m not sure. I wasn’t thinking that we had another break. I’m thinking we keep going.

Alfred Schaefer: Okay, we’ll keep going, I guess.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Alfred Schaefer: Anyway, from an instant, our entire being or existence on this ship went from getting the sails, always having the sails in perfect trim, and the course like, go, go, go! Like, it’s a race, like a regatta. It went from that mode into a mode of:

“Holy smokes! This is survival now!”

Like, we’re in danger of sinking if something happened, like, things could happen that would have us sink!

But this was a long keel boat, and the skipper and the people who understand this know that in a long keel boat, if you can get it pointed in the right direction and get the sail set properly, you can actually keep it on course without the rudder. You know, you can stabilize it somehow, but you don’t need it to keep your direction going.

And anyway, what happened, though, in this scenario, like, it took several days before we got the ship in a stabilized direction and going, you know, heading towards Ireland kind of thing. But with the people that were the loudmouths before, we thought they were the heroes and so forth and were on top of the world, there was a couple like that in that crew. And they were the ones who were the whining little wimps after this paradigm change! Which is what it is when you go from racing mode into survival mode.

And another group of people were the ones who would stay calm and just figure out:

“What do we do? What actions do we need to take?”

And then another group. So it was like three groups, basically.

Another group basically stayed below deck and stayed out of the way, were not a problem, but they just kind of went into their corners and kind of hid there.

Monika Schaefer: Basically stay out of the way, but not whimper and whine, …

Alfred Schaefer: Eaxtly!

Monika Schaefer: But available if needed, I guess. Right?

[46:38]

Alfred Schaefer: Yes, correct, correct! And my own role was basically, there was a couple guys that the skipper had hired, like professional sailors who had lots of experience and so forth. And I was neither the navigator nor was I the expert. But they always:

“Schaefer, come on, get up here! We’re gonna do this with that!”

Like, I was always there like holding stuff or doing this and doing that.

And this is a situation that we are facing now with this paradigm change that we are in at the beginning of right now, where we are dismantling the death matrix. And we’re going to come out of that understanding what the facts are, the truth of the matter is, and what needs to be done to reconquer our old civilization, like get control over our civilization again. This is what’s inevitable! We either do it or we die! This is one of the same situation as on that boat.

And those people who are now the big mouths on TV every day telling us this and telling us that, you will see them hiding. They will be hiding in the cracks! Because if anybody catches them someplace, they probably won’t survive. You know, if they walk down the street and somebody recognizes them and they happen to have a pitchfork in their hand, they’re going to get the feel the pointy end of that pitchfork real fast. I mean, it is so obnoxious what they are doing to us. And they will disappear. And the people that will be running and driving things are people that we don’t even necessarily know of, or have ever seen yet, but they will come out of this mass of people who are waking up and so forth.

So that’s also an experience that I had that clearly shows me what we can expect in the immediate future, if you want to call it that.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I just think it’s so interesting. I remember you describing that a few years ago when you described that scenario where, like you say, it’s a paradigm shift, complete and utter paradigm shift, from just going along racing mode, everything’s good, and then to survival mode.

And then these three groups that emerge from the crew that you have that nobody foresaw that, they emerge, and you get your natural. Okay, the people who step up to the plate and they just get into action. And like you say, these people in our current situation, like, sometimes people are looking for a leader, and often it’s a matter of, okay, maybe just look in the mirror. You might find one there! [chuckling] But it can be surprising where, you know how people then react or where they’re going. And like you were saying that the ones that were kind of the, I don’t know where they boasting and bragging or just loud mouth people, and they go whining and whimpering and say:

“Oh, we got a call for help!”

Or they, weren’t they the first that called for they wanted you to all do the SOS call. Right?

Alfred Schaefer: Yes!

Monika Schaefer: Maybe you can continue with the story, because again, people are going to be wanting to know how it all ended! [chuckling] You didn’t crack! We know that!

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. At the end, we did make it to the Irish coast. And then when we were really close to the shore, then we radio to have a, the Coast Guard come in and tow us into this secure port because you can’t maneuver.

Monika Schaefer: Tell us how you did that. How did it go? Because you were rudderless and you were kind of floating like a cork, right?

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah, exactly! And we secured what was left of the rudder so that it would not get torn off, which could have created a hole in the Hull and then you’d have, …

Monika Schaefer: Well one of these fellows, the young strong guy, didn’t he kind of hang upside down and he, like, literally, … Off in the water? [chuckling] I mean, incredible, right?

Alfred Schaefer: Yeah. I won’t get into all the details of how we actually did that because that’s a story for itself. But, yeah, yeah, we had a couple of very competent people there.

But the interesting thing was these boasters, these bragger types who:

“Oh, I was here! I was there!”

They’re always bragging about how, you know what heroes they are. And these were the ones that were just whining and telling the skipper:

“He’s going to do an SOS! We got to get help!”

And so forth.

But if you have an SOS call out at seat on a boat like that and those people who come to get you, also get to keep your boat, you know, these are the “laws of the sea” sort of thing! [chuckling] So we managed with our own strength, with our own ingenuity to stabilize the boat, to get it on our own power sort of thing., …

Monika Schaefer: Like hobble. Basically, the analogy would be to hobble in. To hobble in, …

Alfred Schaefer: Yes, correct. We crawled or hobbled into port kind of thing. Yeah, that worked out very well.

But it was so interesting to see how those people who portrayed themselves as being the big heroes were actually whining wimps when suddenly the narrative changed! The paradigm shift happened!

And we will be seeing that here, too. See, we’ve been led to believe that life consists of buying shiny, nice little toys and things and so forth. And the more shiny toys you have, the more you are seen as being a successful person.

And yet the death matrix under which we are now being suffocated is our absolute certain death for all of us! Life does not consist of having a thing called money to buy toys. We have to think about where this is taking us. Having no borders. Everybody who has thinks it’s nicer to be in Germany or Canada or United States than a slum in Lagos or Calcutta.

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Of course, we are an attractive place to go because we have everything, but that is artificial. Normally, all the stuff that we have, our infrastructure was not intended for those people who are poor in one of these teeming slums in the third world or something. We will turn into a steaming slum if this trajectory is allowed to continue. That’s what our situation is right now. Just like when our rudder failed, we had to do certain things. We did those certain things, and then we could continue our path, or we had a trajectory that took us to the coast safely. That’s what we have to do now. We have got to find a trajectory that will secure our future.

And right now, we are like in an airplane with a pilot who’s drunk. We’re heading to a mountain range. And if we continue on this flight path, we will all die! That’s our situation now.

But because people are waking up in droves, we will muster the strength and energy that we need to get this right!

But everybody has to understand. Just like that guy on the ice who didn’t understand his predicament, in the end, he did understand, and he did actually save himself with his own strength.

The only thing he got from me was screaming and shouting and orders. That’s all!

Monika Schaefer: You know, both of these stories actually are, they have parallels in that you know, the guy who was hypothermic, he did save himself. I mean, with your screaming and yelling obviously, but he did with his own strength, actually move.

And then in the sailing story, you all say you brought yourselves within reach of the shore where, yeah, I realize you just got the last bit, you got towed, but basically you were there, you hobbled in yourself. You rescued yourself. You rescued yourself!

So this, I think that’s really important for people to understand. Like, if people are still thinking:

“Oh, well, let’s vote harder and get ourselves out of the predicament!”

Nah! I don’t think that’s going to happen. You know, voting harder isn’t going to be the solution with this system we’ve got. No, this whole thing, it’s, …

Alfred Schaefer: Yes, there’s no voting our way out of this predicament! And we will come out of this predicament, but it’s going to be by rolling up our sleeves and doing what needs to be done!

And once we have understood what the facts are, what the reality is, and who it was who has brought us into the situation, then we will get the job done! Those people who, through treason, through utter treason and lies, brought this situation will no longer be at the helm! They will be dealt with. But they will probably find themselves behind bars, if they’re lucky, or dead, if they’re a little bit less lucky.

This has happened many times in history. This kind of a false trajectory, a trajectory to death. And we will, through our life, generally, does invest everything it can to rectify the situation. And what we are seeing now is a typical healing process. Any organizm, before it begins to heal, it understands what the problem is, and that is the point at which it starts to heal. After it understands! Your individual cells in your body, if you have a cut or something, it’s only after they understand your individual cells what the problem is, that they start to do the right thing to get the cut fixed kind of thing. And that’s what we’re seeing.

Now, we are all beginning to see what the problem is. It’s called a jew problem. You can call it that. And yet often some of our best fighters are actually jews, because they come out of this, they understand their bad instructions that are leading them to do what they do, and that makes them good people to help us get out of the situation.

So this is its all hands on deck right now! And we’re going to get this done, and we’re going to get it right!

Monika Schaefer: Yes, indeed! All hands on deck! And, Alfred, we’re almost out of time.

Actually, we’re pretty much within a minute of the top.

And I just want to thank you so much for those stories and for staying up so late or getting up so early, whichever way you want to look at it!

And I want to thank everyone for tuning in and listening. And please do support the Republic Broadcasting Network. I have heard many other hosts say that, and I am a new host here, and so I should say it, too. This is a cutting edge broadcasting, and we can tell you the truth about things. And I do hear the music coming in, and so I will say goodbye until next week. Thank you so very much. All right. Bye bye.

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What a great show thanks Monika and Alfred
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Thank you so much for tuning in, Adam!
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Ernst Zundel – My Life and Political Awakening – 1979 – Transcript

Ernst Zundel

My Life and Political Awakening

1979

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CONTENTS

“Who are you? Where are you from? What is your background? What was your development?”

02 I was Born Just at the Outbreak of the Wwii

04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed

“Oh, that’s the front coming closer.”

04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed

05 the Allied Occupation with the Rapes, the Looting, and Then the Starvation

06 the French Allowed US Only 850 Calories Per Day in Ration Coupons

07 We All Looked Like Kids from Bangladesh or Biafra

08 Father Comes Home a Broken Man from an American Pow Camp

“Papa is coming home!”

09 Zundel Graduates from Public School and Decides to Become an Artisan

“Well, this is what this boy is going to be. He’s going to be an artist.”

10 an Aptitude Test Declares Him as Being “Universally Talented”

“Oh yes, this boy has definite talents as an artist.”

“Universally talented! I could have become anything!”

“Well, but he wants to be an artist again.”

“There is no money, no survival in art in modern day Germany, which is in ruins. Let him learn a trade!”

11 Enrolled in a Three Year Apprenticeship Training Program as a Graphic Artist at Age 14

12 Completes His Apprenticeship with Flying Colours and Moves Osnabruck in North Germany

“Boy, across this hill there is a world to be conquered!”

13 Zundel is Told He Must Speak German!

“Zundel, you must understand that you must speak German here, not Swabian!”

14 German Magazines with Full Page Ads from the Us, Canada, Australia, Etc., Saying “Immigrants Wanted!”

“Immigrants wanted!”

“There’s a world to be conquered!”

15 Zundel Choses Canada Because It Looked Like Home in the Black Forest

“Boy, speak German!”

16 Arrives in Montreal Canada in the Fall of 1958, and Then to Toronto

“No problem. We will fund your job in no time.”

17 Gets His First Job in Canada as a Graphic Artist for Simpson Sears

“Impossible!”

“Ah! Just wait a minute. I have a German lady here. She will translate for you.”

“How is it possible that a young fellow of 18 could be so advanced?”

“Look, if he doesn’t believe me that I can do this kind of work, I’ll work for nothing! I’ll work for two, three days for nothing. I have my tools with me. And then he can see whether I can do the work or not!”

“Great! You can start tomorrow! First thing, 9 o’ clock in the morning.”

“Young man, you are hired!”

18 Getting Settled Down in Canada, with a High Paying Job, Learning English Every Day

19 Meets a Lovely Young Girl in Night Language School, Leading to Marriage and His First Son

“Boy, she’s gonna be my woman!”

20 Brings over His Mother for a Visit, Travels Around North America, Recession Hits and No Job or Money

“Ah well, I must bring my mother to this lovely land and pay back a little milk money.”

“Mon cherie, what are we gonna do?”

“You always wanted to go to the province of Quebec. I’d like to go be back amongst my own people too.”

21 Moves to Montreal and Starts Job Hunting at 21, but Becomes a Freelancer

“Well, the heck with this, here’s a perfect opportunity to become a freelance artist!”

“Mr. Zundel?”

“Oh well, I have a job for you.”

22 Starts to Learn French, and Business Succeeds, Puts a Down Payment on a Home

“Gee, if this is such a well paying trade, we could afford a house!”

23 Develops an Interest in Politics and Meets Adrien Arcand, the Hitler of Canada

24 Visits Europe and Contacts Many People to Further His Political Education

25 Enrols in University in Montreal to Study Political Science and History

26 Becomes a Public Speaker to Overcome Shyness

28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven

28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven

29 the Whole Exercise Only a Method to Gain Attention for My Cause

30 Germans Being Second Class Citizens in Canada

“Go to hell!”

31 a Live Interview Which was Broadcast to Europe in German

“Go and beat it!”

“But this is impossible, but you cannot say this!”

“Look, not only am I saying it and you are hearing it, but I’m also meaning it!”

“But this is so unusual!”

“Listen, I am living in Canada, in the land of unlimited opportunity.”

32 Received Only $105 in Donations for His Efforts to Help the Immigrant Community

33 Must Now Return to Business Life and Tend to Mending My Fences

“Well, I must now return to business life and tend to mending my fences there.”

34 Separatism by Communists Becomes Violent in Quebec

35 Discovered Indeed That There was a Conspiracy to Shape History

“But you don’t know anything about the places that you speak of, such as Israel, the Middle East, Africa, Asia. You have never been there! You only know your stuff from theory.”

“What’s the use!”