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Ernst Zundel

My Life and Political Awakening

1979

[German-Canadian revisionist, author, artist and activist Ernst Zundel gives a fascinating account of his life and adventures up to 1979. See table of contents for list of highlights.

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(Words: 13,198 – Duration: 75 mins)

01 “Who Are You? Where Are You From? What is Your Background?

02 I was Born Just at the Outbreak of the Wwii

03 My Mother Saying: “Oh, That’s the Front Coming Closer.”

04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed

05 the Allied Occupation with the Rapes, the Looting, and Then the Starvation

06 the French Allowed US Only 850 Calories Per Day in Ration Coupons

07 We All Looked Like Kids from Bangladesh or Biafra

08 Father Comes Home a Broken Man from an American Pow Camp

09 Zundel Graduates from Public School and Decides to Become an Artisan

10 an Aptitude Test Declares Him as Being “Universally Talented”

11 Enrolled in a Three Year Apprenticeship Training Program as a Graphic Artist at Age 14

12 Completes His Apprenticeship with Flying Colours and Moves Osnabruck in North Germany

13 Zundel is Told He Must Speak German!

14 German Magazines with Full Page Ads from the Us, Canada, Australia, Etc., Saying “Immigrants Wanted!”

15 Zundel Choses Canada Because It Looked Like Home in the Black Forest

16 Arrives in Montreal Canada in the Fall of 1958, and Then to Toronto

17 Gets His First Job in Canada as a Graphic Artist for Simpson Sears

18 Getting Settled Down in Canada, with a High Paying Job, Learning English Every Day

19 Meets a Lovely Young Girl in Night Language School, Leading to Marriage and His First Son

20 Brings over His Mother for a Visit, Travels Around North America, Recession Hits and No Job or Money

21 Moves to Montreal and Starts Job Hunting at 21, but Becomes a Freelancer

22 Starts to Learn French, and Business Succeeds, Puts a Down Payment on a Home

23 Develops an Interest in Politics and Meets Adrien Arcand, the Hitler of Canada

24 Visits Europe and Contacts Many People to Further His Political Education

25 Enrols in University in Montreal to Study Political Science and History

26 Becomes a Public Speaker to Overcome Shyness

27 Declare Himself as a Candidate for the Leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada

28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven

29 the Whole Exercise Only a Method to Gain Attention for My Cause

30 Germans Being Second Class Citizens in Canada

31 a Live Interview Which was Broadcast to Europe in German

32 Received Only $105 in Donations for His Efforts to Help the Immigrant Community

33 Must Now Return to Business Life and Tend to Mending My Fences

34 Separatism by Communists Becomes Violent in Quebec

35 Discovered Indeed That There was a Conspiracy to Shape History

36 Sells House and Goes on On World Tour Through Europe, Africa, Middle East, and the Far East

37 Suffered Culture Shock, Race Shock!

(In progress)

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This is Ernst Christoph Friedrich Zundel. I’m the man behind Samisdat Publishers in Toronto, Canada. At the request of many of my friends, both here in Canada, especially in America, in Australia, in South America and also in Europe, I want to tell you about myself. Many of you have asked:

“Who are you? Where are you from? What is your background? What was your development?”

Many of you have been very generous. In book orders, in tape orders, in donations of money, material and support. I think I owe it to you that I reveal all there is to know and all that those who put their life virtually on the line for me and for our cause are entitled to. I was born on the 24th of April, 1939 in a small town of less than 4,000 souls in the Black Forest of Germany. My family lived in an old cottage, 350 years old at the time. It was, in fact, the oldest house in the whole valley.

Now, the Black Forest, as many of you maybe don’t know, was never conquered by the Romans. The people living within these black, dark forests were fierce warriors. And the Romans found it easier, after numerous battles and engagements which they lost, to circumnavigate, to go around the Black Forest. In effect, they built a wall around the Black Forest, fortified wall, which was called the Limes: LIMES. And you will find it written up in history books. Well, my folks lived in the Black Forest for centuries.

And research with that in my family tree has actually traced it as far back as the 14th century to Switzerland and from there to northern Italy. On my father’s side, we were lumberjacks, peasants. On my mother’s side, she comes from Bavaria, near the town, historic town of Augsburg. We were middle class people, teachers, lawyers, musicians, writers, artisans.

02 I was Born Just at the Outbreak of the Wwii

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I was born just at the outbreak of the war. I was the fourth of a family of six children and the oldest son. My earliest childhood recollections, of course, are of the war. My father wearing his German army uniform, coming home on leave from Russia. He was with the medics, ambulance trains, in fact, picking up the wounded from the battlefields of Europe and bringing them home to Germany, to hospitals, some of them which were in the Black Forest.

And of course I remember as a lad the tremendous joy to be held in my father’s arms and to go on outings with him into the woods, however brief they were the next recollections are bombing raids of strafings by Allied fighter bombers, notably French in this case. And the real horrible nature of war came home to me as a very young boy by being yanked out of bed at 3, 4, 5 o’ clock in the morning when these massive bombing raids by American and British bomber fleets took place. And their flight path, invariably when they went to bomb Nuremberg, Dresden, Aschaffenburg, Munichen, passed over the Black Forest.

And I remember vividly the endless droning of these powerful Flying Fortresses and Liberators. And then also on the way back, Allied planes crippled by German flak, on fire, burning, wings dropping off, pilots jumping out with parachutes and so on. It was just an absolutely frightening experience for a young fellow. And those were my wartime recollections.

04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed

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And then a new dimension was added. In that I could hear the thunder of guns coming ever closer. And I remember my mother saying:

“Oh, that’s the front coming closer.”

Well, I didn’t really quite know what “the front” was, but it was something ominous because everybody was afraid, everybody was frightened. And German troops appeared, on retreat. Old soldiers, some without guns, came through.

And then there were artillery duels with Americans and French guns shelling German positions. The German positions running right through our valley. Germans once in a while firing back, artillery shells exploding all around us.

And then flight. My mother was frightened. She took us, five children at the time, to the forest and there we hid. We took our goats with us, our chickens, our rabbits. We tied them all up in dense bush and waited for the hostilities actually to pass us by. And we saw by peeking through cracks in the Woods that indeed, French army units were moving up the valley and tanks were stopping and they were looting our houses and Germans were being killed. German soldiers were lying by the roadside, German vehicles were shot up and the front passed us by. And shortly thereafter the war was over.

04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed

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However, just at the end of the war, the city of Pforzheim, our neighbor city, was bombed in a massive air raid in which over 20,000 people were killed in this once lovely medieval old city. And the firestorm created by this American bombardment was so horrendous that I remember all the trees in our valley bending towards this town and a tremendous suction taking up leaves and branches and twigs and rushing down the valley towards this town. The whole sky was illuminated, even though the town was over 20 km away.

I remember the next day my mother, who was working with the Red Cross, being called upon to go into this town to help those who could still be helped. And when she came back, she was a changed woman for all the horror she had seen and all the human torches that had shrunken bodies down to children’s size. A town which we knew so well, had been reduced to utter ruins and utter rubble!

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05 the Allied Occupation with the Rapes, the Looting, and Then the Starvation

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Couple that with the invasion, the end of the war, with the rapes, the looting, and then the starvation, and the needless cruelty of the occupation occupying powers to children, man and beast, in fact. My father became a prisoner of the Americans and went through some horrific experience in an Allied prisoner of war camp in Darmstadt, where for four weeks these men lived without shelter in open fields, eating earthworms, bugs, drinking practically their own urine. Just a horrible mess!

And we children, of course, couldn’t go to school because the school was occupied by Allied troops. Tanks, armored cars were parked in the schoolyards. Life seemed to almost have ceased. And then slowly the French, who occupied our area with Moroccan and Algerian troops, colonial troops, got their act together and established civil administrations under the military government. Naturally, the people who governed Germany at that time were quislings, in this case, Allied quislings. They did the bidding of the Allies.

And I remember the very first edict was, that all radios had to be delivered to a central collecting point. So that these radios were then taken as booty to France. Then gold watches were taken, then all rifles, all guns, on pain of death, were taken. Then all cameras were taken. In effect, it became a major crime to photograph or to record any of the Allied misdeeds in Germany. And everybody complied with those rules and those laws, because after all, there was just no way that they could be changed.

The German army had surrendered unconditionally. The German government was a mere shell, prevented in executing its governing functions by the Allied military authorities. In other words, the Germans were disenfranchised.

06 the French Allowed US Only 850 Calories Per Day in Ration Coupons

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Hunger broke out. We were starving. The French allowed us 850 calories in ration coupons. The United Nations today says that man needs 2,000 calories to survive. Towards the very end of the war in German concentration camps, the inmates got 1750 calories. And here we were with 850 calories. What that means, I want to illustrate to you simply by this, that we got two pieces of bread a day. Never mind butter, meat and stuff like that.

But as a young growing fellow, to be having to live on two pieces of bread meant that we were constantly starving! Susceptible to all kinds of diseases, constantly sick, constantly cold, no shoes on our feet, no clothing, because of course the warriors had been very tough on the Germans. And here, where the so-called peace years worse. Then the French confiscated all our seed potatoes, which meant that the farmers had to deliver all our seed potatoes to the authorities. And therefore it was a foregone conclusion, since you couldn’t seed, that there was going to be starvation at the end of the summer.

07 We All Looked Like Kids from Bangladesh or Biafra

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And sure enough, that’s exactly what happened. Children came down with massive hunger and protein deficiency caused diseases, skin sores. We all looked like kids from Bangladesh or Biafra. However, the world seemed not to care.

In the meantime, our mothers were molested by these occupying troops. Our sisters were chased all over. Some were raped. Many a black mongrel baby resulted, because these troops, after all, were colonial color troops.

And I remember coming home from school, which had started in the Evangelical church basement at the time, and seeing a tremendous fracas in the town square, in effect observing a battle between the White French officers and the French colonial troops, which in fact, later on turned to the disarming of the French colonial troops. And only the French officers were bearing arms by that time.

Life began to normalize. Hunger was a constant companion. So was fear. And of course, my father was still a prisoner. We were five at that time. My mother did the best that she could in raising us. I attended the little country school, and it was a horrible period for everybody, also for myself.

08 Father Comes Home a Broken Man from an American Pow Camp

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But finally one day my mother said:

“Papa is coming home!”

And my father came home a broken man from the American prison of war camp. He began to pick up his old life as a lumberjack, and things seemed to go to normal. But we soon discovered that my father’s spirit was indeed broken, and he turned to alcohol for solace. That complicated, of course, our problems. A large family, little income, and now this added burden.

However, my mother was a strong personality. We had our little land, which we tilled, grew our own potatoes, grew our own vegetables, grew our own teas, herbal teas. We had some goats, from which we got milk, some chickens from which we got eggs. Berries we collected in nearby woods, mushrooms in summer, wood for the wood burning stoves. We made our own tools, just like in medieval times. And almost you could say that we lived in a cashless society.

09 Zundel Graduates from Public School and Decides to Become an Artisan

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It was wonderful in its simplicity to be growing up at that time. In my family, we had no radio, we had no television. We had all told 10 books in our bookcase. It was almost as if I was living in a medieval environment. School taught me very thoroughly and very efficiently how to count, how to spell, how to write. I graduated from public school in the top ranks. There was not enough money to go on to high school or higher education, even though the teachers tried to get scholarships and so on. But at that time, Germany had different problems to worry about than to sponsor one of its simple sons to higher education. And therefore it was decided that I should become an artisan.

And since I had been a very good artist and always sketched and drew on every scrap of paper, my mother decided that:

“Well, this is what this boy is going to be. He’s going to be an artist.”

Well, she was soon informed that to go and to study art at some university cost just unaffordable amounts of money. As fate would have it, our old cottage was an attraction for all kinds of artists. Painters, watercolorists. And one day one of these artists, while he was sketching this picturesque scene, spoke to my mother and he was invited for a cup of ersatz coffee. And was of course, introduced to young Ernst’s drawings.

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10 an Aptitude Test Declares Him as Being “Universally Talented”

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And indeed, he said, maybe because he was polite, that:

“Oh yes, this boy has definite talents as an artist.”

But since to become a fine art painter was almost an impossibility, he too suggested that I should become an artisan. Well, he suggested to my mother that I should go to the local manpower or unemployment office where they could evaluate me and advise my mother for a job. Simple matter! We took the train, took the last bit of money that my mother had scrounged and went to the neighboring large town of Pforzheim, that had been devastated earlier in the war and which was now slowly digging itself out of the rubble. And there, amongst the ruins, I went to this special labor service or unemployment office testing center. And some men in white smocks, middle aged men, gave a two day test, an aptitude test. And lo and behold, here was young Zundel. They said:

“Universally talented! I could have become anything!”

Well, that somewhat perplexed my mother. She said:

“Well, but he wants to be an artist again.”

Again the advice was given to her:

“There is no money, no survival in art in modern day Germany, which is in ruins. Let him learn a trade!”

And one of these men suggested I should become a commercial artist. And there were two or three firms that were specializing in commercial art. And they were given notice and we were given their addresses and we went there. And sure enough, after seeing my drawings, one of these firms, a graphic art Institute, adopted or accepted me as an apprentice, an apprentice artist.

11 Enrolled in a Three Year Apprenticeship Training Program as a Graphic Artist at Age 14

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And I was enrolled in a three year apprenticeship training program. 1953, that was my pay was to be a dollar a week for the first year, $1 a week for the first year. Then for the second year it was to be $1.50 a week. And for the third year it was to be $2, not a little over $2 a week, if you can believe this. You heard correctly. My duties were to do all kinds of work, to learn the Graphic Arts business from the bottom up. And during my weekly work at this firm, which comprised working on Saturdays too, 48 hours a week, I was to attend two days of graphic arts college to learn about printing processes and so on.

Well, that meant that as a boy of not quite 14, I had to get up at 5 o’ clock in the morning, walk for half an hour towards the train station, there, take the train for three quarters of an hour in order to commute to this city of Pforzheim. And the same procedure, of course, reversed itself in the evening, where I then would come home about 7 o’clock. So from 5 o’ clock in the morning till 7 o’ clock at night, I was learning and working in this trade. I enjoyed it thoroughly because here I was in my world. It was warm, it was indoors, I could sketch and I could draw. And I learned how to become an artist. And it was just wonderful!

And I passed the tests that, the occasional apprenticeship tests, intermediate tests and so on with flying colors. Graduated at my end of three years learning period with top honors! And immediately was rehired by the firm which had trained me. And they were giving me a very handsome salary for a young fellow at that time. As a matter of fact, at the age of 17, I earned twice as much as my father did, immediately.

12 Completes His Apprenticeship with Flying Colours and Moves Osnabruck in North Germany

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Well, naturally I had been introduced to the city life. Become stimulated by all the things that were available. A larger world opened up. And my mother contributed to this by saying:

“Boy, across this hill there is a world to be conquered!”

Well, maybe I took her a little too literally, because within less than a year I applied for a job in the north of Germany and went there to further my studies. Because by no means is one a fully rounded, complete expert in one’s field after an apprenticeship. This is only rudimentary. And I was immediately accepted by my virtue of my test results and by my samples of my work that I submitted. Immediately got a very well paying job in the town of Osnabruck in the north.

13 Zundel is Told He Must Speak German!

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Well, I bid my family farewell and took the train and onto new adventure to the north. And discovered that the dialect that I was speaking in the south, which was Swabian, was not understood by my fellow Germans in the north. And on the second day, the man in charge of this new company called me in and he said:

“Zundel, you must understand that you must speak German here, not Swabian!”

You see here I was a stranger in my own land. However, youthful vigor and spirit of adventure got the better of me. I very quickly learned to speak high German. And settled down to a new way of life. And I was able to support my family financially with the money that I earned in this firm.

14 German Magazines with Full Page Ads from the Us, Canada, Australia, Etc., Saying “Immigrants Wanted!”

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Well, it was the time of full page advertisements in German magazines and in German newspapers by the United States, Canada, Australia and South Africa. And it said:

“Immigrants wanted!”

And in glowing colors it portrayed these lands of unlimited possibility. Well, there was my mother again ringing in my ear, saying:

“There’s a world to be conquered!”

And I found myself writing away to these addresses in these magazines for brochures and information about these various countries. The United States, Embassy in Germany replied, the South African embassy replied, the Australian embassy replied, the Argentinian embassy replied. And the Canadian embassy replied.

15 Zundel Choses Canada Because It Looked Like Home in the Black Forest

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However, I decided that I was going to go to Canada.

The reason was really quite simple. I liked what I saw in the brochures. It looked very much like the Black Forest. There are lots of trees, lots of mountains, and it was like home.

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Also, the seasons were the same. They were winter, summer, springtime, fall. That also appealed to me. And one of the big deciding factors, Canada had no military draft! You see, I believed in all the propaganda that we were fed after the war, that the Germans were a bunch of war criminals and murderers and an army of looters and rapists and so on and so I had an aversion bred into me by this Allied propaganda. The step from thought to action in my life never was a very long one. I decided to apply for immigrant status to Canada. Within three months. I was granted it.

In those three months, as a precaution, I just decided that I was going to learn some English. So I rode away for a correspondence course and going by the book and by listening to BBC London Foreign Service, I learned English, English. Not realizing that in Canada and the United States, English, English was just about useless. And again I found when Canada finally accepted me and I got on the boat and steamed out of Germany towards this new wonderful adventure. And when I landed in Canada, that nobody could understand my English, English.

And so I had to relearn again. And my German boss’s phrase:

“Boy, speak German!”

Rang in my ears. In this case it meant speak English, meaning Canadian English.

16 Arrives in Montreal Canada in the Fall of 1958, and Then to Toronto

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I landed in Montreal in the fall of 1958, immediately was put on a train and shipped to Toronto, because the immigration officer in Germany at the time had determined for me that my best possibilities for work were indeed in Toronto, the English language area in Ontario. I arrived at the time in Cananda, when there was one of these ever recurrent depressions in this land.

Of course, I had no idea nobody had told me about that. And all my other German friends with different trades were unemployed. And were really suffering. So I took my sample work, went down to the local immigration office, manpower office. And with my limited amount of English, English said to them, qy my name is Ernst Zundel. I’m a commercial artist looking for work. Fine, they said:

“No problem. We will fund your job in no time.”

Well, that made me feel better. I was sent around to various people and found out that indeed I couldn’t speak any English. I couldn’t understand what these people were saying to me.

However, every day I learned 30, 40 words out of the dictionary. And within three days I was sent to a firm, a very large firm, well known to North Americans called Simpson Sears. In America is called Sears Roebuck.

17 Gets His First Job in Canada as a Graphic Artist for Simpson Sears

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Well, I introduced myself again, had the letter from the immigration with me. Which introduced me as a new arrived immigrant needing assistance in the form of a job in my chosen field. I showed the people there my sample work. And the man in charge of this organization of a graphic arts Institute looked at my work and said:

“Impossible!”

And I didn’t know what impossible meant at the time. But I could see by the way he was wrinkling his forehead that he was skeptical. And so with hand and foot, I was trying to explain that here are my test results, Here is my diploma. These are my samples. And he said:

“Ah! Just wait a minute. I have a German lady here. She will translate for you.”

Off he went to return a minute later with a lady from Hamburg. This lady looked at my samples, asked me what my background was, where I was trained. I pointed out my apprenticeship papers, my fantastic test results. And very good references I had in Germany from these German firms. She translated it to him, and his skepticism turned into surprise. He said:

“How is it possible that a young fellow of 18 could be so advanced?”

Well, that led to a discussion of the German apprenticeship training program. The testing that they do over there. And naturally inherited talents being developed to the utmost and so on. And this fellow turned out to be a Scotsman. And he still had this undertone of skepticism. And she told me in her translation that he just couldn’t believe it! Well, that really somewhat angered me. And I said:

“Look, if he doesn’t believe me that I can do this kind of work, I’ll work for nothing! I’ll work for two, three days for nothing. I have my tools with me. And then he can see whether I can do the work or not!”

Well, that pleased, I suppose, the Scotsman in the Scotsman. And he said:

“Great! You can start tomorrow! First thing, 9 o’ clock in the morning.”

Here the immigrant arrived with his satchel on his back, his sandwiches in his pocket. And I settled down in an area that I was assigned to do some work. And for the next three days this Scotsman really put me through my paces. Well, he was astonished! And I could see he came to see me every half hour, three quarters of an hour, hour on the hour, monitoring my work, that he was increasingly surprised.

At the end of the three days he called in the German lady, called me into his office and he said:

“Young man, you are hired!”

And he said at that time, it was $93 a week!

But in the excitement I didn’t really understand that and I thought he must have made a mistake or maybe I misunderstood him in that he said “$39 a week”. Because at that time I was sharing an apartment in a rooming house with a German immigrant, a master, he had two master titles in his trade, bakery and so on. And this man was earning $41 a week. So I thought undoubtedly he must have meant $39 a week. And I had already calculated out that even with $39 a week I could save some money and I could continue to support my mother and my brothers and sisters back in the Black Forest.

Well, Friday came around, payday came around, and of course, with trembling hand I opened my pay envelope and there was a check for $93! I couldn’t believe it! I thought that I had hit paradise! $93 at that time was a fantastic amount of money! And I could live on $25 a week!

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18 Getting Settled Down in Canada, with a High Paying Job, Learning English Every Day

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So very quickly I began to establish a saving account and save my money frugally, sent some money home and was really settling down in this lovely land, learning English every day. I found people extremely kind towards me, all kinds of help when you are helpless as an immigrant. And I found at that time there were only Whites in Canada that I came in contact with. It was just a joy to be amongst these people! There was real brotherhood in the true sense of the word. And I was made welcome everywhere that I went, or so it seemed.

Christmas came around, I was invited by some Canadian people to their homes for Christmas. And homesickness, which was an off and on problem, began to fade.

19 Meets a Lovely Young Girl in Night Language School, Leading to Marriage and His First Son

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Soon I got to know a lovely young girl in night school where I had gone to attend language classes. And one evening the door opens and in came a beautiful looking redhead! And I said to my German buddy who was sitting beside me:

“Boy, she’s gonna be my woman!”

Sure enough, I made sure that I would get to know her better. We became friends, acquainted, engaged, were married, established a family, and soon our first boy was born in the city of Toronto with a lovely French name, Pierre.

20 Brings over His Mother for a Visit, Travels Around North America, Recession Hits and No Job or Money

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But adventure again, gripped me. I had saved all kinds of money. So I decided:

“Ah well, I must bring my mother to this lovely land and pay back a little milk money.”

And had bought myself a car and traveled all over the province and all over the country and short my mother, who had after all given me life and nourished me and had made sure that I could learn such a fantastic and well paying trade as commercial art to give her in return the joy of seeing a land which otherwise she couldn’t have done.

Well, the company which I had joined by that time had promised me leave of absence and that I would have a job back when I got back from my travels.

As it turns out again there was a recession and no job. I had spent all my money on traveling around North America for three months and I had about $75 in my savings account. A small baby, newly married and suddenly no job! Well, my mother had returned to Europe and here I was, $75, all this responsibility, 21 years old. I said to my French-Canadian wife, I says:

“Mon cherie, what are we gonna do?”

Well, she said:

“You always wanted to go to the province of Quebec. I’d like to go be back amongst my own people too.”

21 Moves to Montreal and Starts Job Hunting at 21, but Becomes a Freelancer

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Well, we loaded our belongings, very few as they were at that time, on a truck and moved the 350 miles from Toronto to Montreal and I went job hunting. Well, I soon found that in the city of Montreal the commercial art studios were much smaller. That commercial art was not as well paid as it was in Toronto, because Toronto is the graphic arts center in Canada.

But I also found that many of these smaller studios could not afford a highly paid specialist like myself. However, each one of them assured me that they had repeatedly and off and on jobs that required my specialty of photo retouching and I should leave my name and phone number. Well, I couldn’t find a steady job, so I decided:

“Well, the heck with this, here’s a perfect opportunity to become a freelance artist!”

And I merrily set up shop in one of the bedrooms in the apartment, bought myself a secondhand drawing desk, a small compressor or air bottles for my airbrush. And the first telephone call was received, a man said:

“Mr. Zundel?”

Of course, in French. And I quickly had to teach myself the first few words of French.

“Oh well, I have a job for you.”

So I jumped on my little Volkswagen down, I went to the center of the city, picked up this job and I earned my first $35 as a freelance artist being self employed.

22 Starts to Learn French, and Business Succeeds, Puts a Down Payment on a Home

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The first month was, the second month was a little better. The third month was very good. And within the first quarter year everything was just running beautifully! We were once again beginning to save a little money. I worked very hard day and night. I taught myself French, went to French night classes and went knocking on doors and generally just “hustled”, as the North American expression goes. And within a year or two had saved up enough money to once again travel the whole continent. And I took my wife and my young child and we went out to the west coast, out to the east coast and then we thought:

“Gee, if this is such a well paying trade, we could afford a house!”

Again, from the thought to the act, not very far removed. We paid a small down payment on a house. In those days you could get bungalows for a down payment of $300, with a 35 year mortgage at 5 and 3 quarters or 6% interest. In other words, it was a young couple’s dream. And sure enough we made a down payment on a beautiful home.

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And since we had some money left, we decided we were going to go to Europe while we were young and see Europe as well. So we booked a passage on an ocean liner and we went over to Europe, traveled all over Europe.

23 Develops an Interest in Politics and Meets Adrien Arcand, the Hitler of Canada

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However, in the meantime I had met and developed an interest in politics and met some very interesting people in Canada. The most notable amongst them was the pre-war leader of a French-Canadian fascist type party called the National Unity Party of Canada. And I had met this individual called Adrien Arcand, the Hitler of Canada. Well, that was to have a tremendous impact on my life because this French-Canadian spoke fluent German, and he had a fantastic library of all books in the German language. And he made these books available to me, allowed me to borrow them.

We discussed the content of these books and lo and behold, it was a French-Canadian who turned me into a German! He showed me the lies of World War II, explained to me the propaganda, the reasons why these lies were told, the instigators of the lies!

24 Visits Europe and Contacts Many People to Further His Political Education

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And I took a Political Science course. And at the advice of Mr Arcand, took this tour to Europe contacting all kinds of very interesting people in Germany, in Austria, in Italy, in Switzerland, in Spain, in England and in the Scandinavian countries. And I took what you could call a crash course in political history.

25 Enrols in University in Montreal to Study Political Science and History

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Well, I found on my trip while being over in Europe that certainly my public school education was limited in scope, and I decided to enroll in university as soon as I returned from Germany. I did exactly that. I enrolled in Sir Charles Williams University in Montreal in Political Science and History. I attended university in the evenings. During the day I went after my commercial art business, built up a small thriving studio, and found time to write for German newspapers, the university student newspaper. And above all, I found time to get involved in everyday politics. And we organized demonstrations, mass mailings, and I found that I was a rather shy fellow at the time.

26 Becomes a Public Speaker to Overcome Shyness

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And so I decided that I had to overcome this shyness. And I sent out a flyer to all the Churches and lodges and unions and all kinds of organizations in human society, in offering myself free of charge, of course, as a speaker. I really only had one topic on there, and the topic was “Communism, a threat to our civilization”. Well, I hadn’t expected a reaction to this. I was literally inundated by requests to come and to speak to youth groups, air cadets, student bodies, church congregations, businessmen clubs, Kiwanis, Rotarians and so on. It was just an incredible situation!

And very soon I began to lose my shyness. I took some speaking training at the Dale Carnegie type courses that were offered, and within a year I had overcome my inborn shyness and developed a very passible speaking style.

28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven

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Well, then an event happened in Canadian history. The prime minister of Canada, Lester Pearson, Nobel Peace prize winner, decided that he was going to resign and hand over the prime ministership to the leader of the Liberal Party, that was to be said, selected in the leadership race, which meant that anyone who became leader of the Liberal Party also would become the leader of Canada. And I immediately spotted this as a fantastic opportunity to catapult myself into the public. I had done a tremendous amount of radio talk shows and, as I said, public speaking, writing, had organized some demonstrations of an anti-communist nature, together with some other ethnic groups in the Montreal area. And I was beginning to get known in the country.

And so I decided, fine, I’m going to declare myself as a candidate for the leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada. Well, naturally that was somewhat of a sensation because I was only 27 years old. I was, after all, an immigrant, a newcomer to this country. I was still a student at university, although I was also a businessman, a young man at that.

And our second son arrived. This time he was given the German name to reflect the German part of the family heritage. His name was Hans. I became the candidate for the Liberal leadership and traveled the country giving speeches, press conferences, visiting delegates, collecting signatures. What I had to do in order to become a candidate was to be recognized officially by at least 55 prominent Liberal Party Bigwigs. It was the toughest thing I ever did!

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28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven

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But ultimately I made it to Ottawa with tenacity and drive and fervor and cajoling and a certain amount of good luck, I suppose. I ended up in the sports stadium in Ottawa. The president of the Liberal Party, after some minor obstacles and evasive measures, had to admit and sign me up as an official candidate of the Liberal Party, one of seven candidates. All the rest of the candidates pretty well were drawn from the cabinet. Multimillionaires, millionaires, very well off people.

And it turns out that although my campaign had cost me three months of my life, $3, 500, the man who ultimately succeeded in capturing the title of leader of the Liberal Party and thereby Prime Minister Canada, Pierre Leotudo, had spent, as compared to my $3, 500, $385,000! Well, number one, I didn’t have the money. Number two, I had no illusions of grandeur that I could from nothing catapult myself to the prime ministership in this country.

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29 the Whole Exercise Only a Method to Gain Attention for My Cause

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However, the whole exercise really was only a method to gain attention for my cause. My cause being that I wanted to have the anti-German propaganda, the lies about Germans and German history, especially the lie of the Germans killing 6 million innocent jews and committing all kinds of war crimes, I wanted to have that stopped!

And I thought, what a terrific platform. And that is exactly what happened. I had myself nationwide publicity as an officially recognized candidate for the Liberal leadership race. I was able to speak to all the delegates. There were 2, 700 delegates and, 205,000 spectators in this lovely sports arena, the Civic Center in Ottawa. 371 radio stations and 500 TV stations across the country were plugged in. Every newspaper was represented there. And certainly my wildest dreams were surpassed in the amount of publicity and coverage I got from my cause.

30 Germans Being Second Class Citizens in Canada

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And of course, my remarks about Germans being Second Class citizens in this land and so on were broadcast nationwide. Well, that got me to the attention of the German Embassy in Ottawa. And the press attache, together with the ambassador at the time, visited me in the walking space that every arena has behind the rink and was going to congratulate me for my wonderful activities. And I just told him to:

“Go to hell!”

In exactly that many words for being such a coward! Because the three years before that I had appealed to him to do something about this undetermined propaganda in this land and received absolutely no help!

31 a Live Interview Which was Broadcast to Europe in German

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So now I told him just to:

“Go and beat it!”

Which he did with a shocked expression on his face. Well, the German language section of Canadian Broadcasting Corporation International Service got in touch with me for a live interview which was broadcast to Europe, Trans Oceanic Cable, in German. Again, I could ride an attack against the evils of anti-German brainwashing and propaganda.

And I remember very well how the men in Europe kept saying:

“But this is impossible, but you cannot say this!”

And I had to repeat to him frequently:

“Look, not only am I saying it and you are hearing it, but I’m also meaning it!”

And so he says:

“But this is so unusual!”

I said:

“Listen, I am living in Canada, in the land of unlimited opportunity.”

Well, that’s the way it used to appear, and that’s the way it was in those days, certainly for a young lad of 27.

Well, the leadership race passed. It was certainly a high point in my life, and I had hoped to represent not only the Germans, but also the immigrants in this country.

32 Received Only $105 in Donations for His Efforts to Help the Immigrant Community

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However, I was soon to be sadly disappointed. Very little interest was shown by the immigrant community! Everybody, I suppose, was busy carving out a new life for themselves, getting started. You know, the usual thing that men do when they start out at the bottom of the heap, clawing their way up. And I received a few hundred letters, few hundred phone calls, expressions of support. But the one area where support can be best measured in this materialistic age, in the monetary area, I received one donation of $5 from a Canadian lady and a donation of $100 from a friend of mine, a German fellow!

In other words, for all my struggles and all my expenses, I received $105 in donations. Well, that made it obvious to me that there was no possibility of doing something meaningful in a full-time professional way.

33 Must Now Return to Business Life and Tend to Mending My Fences

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And I thought:

“Well, I must now return to business life and tend to mending my fences there.”

And I became the editor or assistant editor of a student newspaper, became also assistant editor for four regional German newspapers in which I basically wrote articles. In the student newspaper. I had my own column called Politics Today, Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow. At university I was active in the internal radio and TV service in the community. I was busy giving my speeches and doing a lot of talk shows, radio talk shows at the time. And generally settled down to becoming what you could call “an involved young member” of the community.

34 Separatism by Communists Becomes Violent in Quebec

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However, it was during that time in the province of Quebec that separatism became violent and communist inroads were very clearly now breaking into the open in the separatist movements. We had bombs going off here, there and everywhere. The communist rhetoric, clenched fist salutes, communist demonstrations, accompanied by violence. Communist demonstrations at university, race riots at our own university took place. And I got more deeply involved in the reasons behind politics, and soon found that a whole new world was opening up to me.

35 Discovered Indeed That There was a Conspiracy to Shape History

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And I discovered indeed that there was a conspiracy to shape history in a certain way. Well, that called for more study and more learning. And during my appearances I had always found that reporters and detractors and people on radio talk shows kept needling me by saying:

“But you don’t know anything about the places that you speak of, such as Israel, the Middle East, Africa, Asia. You have never been there! You only know your stuff from theory.”

And I was getting so sick and tired of this, answering this, that man can learn indeed by books and by radio programs and by TV programs and so on, that I thought:

“What’s the use!”

And I said to my wife:

“Look, I have the money. I have also the desire. Middle age is creeping up on me. I would like to go and see these far off places and to inform myself firsthand.”

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35 Discovered Indeed That There was a Conspiracy to Shape History

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We sold our house. We took the proceeds from the money, my wife rented an apartment, stayed at home with the children in the province of Quebec. And Ernst went off on a world tour! And for seven and a half months I first toured all Europe, from the North Cape practically Bergen, Lapland, Finland, northern Sweden, Sweden, Denmark, Scotland, northern Scotland, Hadrian’s Wall, all the way through Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Italy, and so on through Germany, Austria.

And then I left Europe behind and went to Greece, down to Turkey, to the Middle East, Israel, Cyprus, then to Cairo, and from there on south through black Africa, all the way to South Africa, Rhodesia, till I ultimately arrived at the southernmost tip at the Cape of Good Hope.

From there I retraced my steps, went over to Iran, India, Pakistan, Southeast Asia at that time to war in Vietnam, Warsan, Cam Ranh Bay, from there to Thailand to Cambodia, Hong Kong, Taiwan, from Taiwan onto Japan, Japan to Hawaii, from Hawaii, back home to the United States and Canada.

I can say that I learned a tremendous amount amongst people of these strange cultures, strange traditions, strange races.

37 Suffered Culture Shock, Race Shock!

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Well, I returned from this world trip, which really was a study tour for which I had prepared a number of years through studying at university, reading books, looking over old historical battlefields, cultural history of Greece, ancient Rome, ancient Aryan civilizations, Buddhism and so on. I went to all these historical places to give myself a feel of how it was, how it might have been then. How it was today. It was an incredible, overwhelming experience.

And I actually have to say that I suffered culture shock, race shock! I suddenly found myself sometimes absolutely alone for days amongst people of different racial backgrounds, standing out like a sore thumb amongst Asians, Indians, blacks, Arabs. It was an absolutely worthwhile experience which I can only recommend to all those who inspire for leadership. It is an absolute must!

Nothing beats practical first hand knowledge, and seeing with one own’s eyes, feeling with one own’s hands and soul, smelling these people of different races, the stench of millions in Bombay, sleeping on the sidewalk. Tasting their strange foods, seeing how primitive many areas of the globe still are, being whisked by jet from the Stone Age to the Space Age.

And I remember sitting in a hotel in India the day when the American space program finally put an American on the moon. And here I was, the only White man amongst all these people. And I asked them:

“What do you think about that?”

And they answered me without any second thoughts and saying:

“Ha! More Hollywood movies. It is impossible that man could do this!”

They just could not perceive that man actually had, thanks to Western technology, through German thought and American money and the industrial capacity of the Western world, in effect. Placed a man on the moon and had reached out for the stars.

It was then that that I realized that:

“Oh yes, there was a difference, that we were different!”

And I then determined to look into the race question far more deeply than I had before.

When I returned to Canada, immediate problems of child rearing, children raising, rebuilding a business, of course, took all my attention. We decided that the best route for us as a family would be to return to Ontario, because in the province of Quebec, separatism by now was absolutely rampant. And since I had been one of the most outstanding, outspoken public figures against the separatist movement, my wife was under constant threat to have our children kidnapped, to have herself molested. And our house was frequently painted with communist and separatist slogans. Added to this was the constant harassment by the Canadian secret police, the plain clothed police of the city of Montreal, who for some strange reason all ganged up on me, who was leading the fight against separatism.

And only later did it dawn on me the reason why I was such an unpopular public personage was that I combined youth, drive, talent, and of course a very clear understanding of the real forces that are at work in Western society and especially in North American and Canadian society, and made no bones about it, and set about organizing an effective resistance against it. So I of course was prime target!

However, since my immigrant community did not feel that they should make a contribution, politically speaking, in Canada, the English Canadians looked at me askance because of course I was berating them for their anti-German bigotry. The jewish community in Canada was frightened because of course I claimed, based on pretty good authority, that there never were 6 million gas jews in Europe and that the Zionists in effect were running a gigantic extortion racket against the German people using the media of the world! So in effect, I was like a prophet in the wilderness.

I had in effect, no power base whatsoever! The only power base that I have was the money that I generated with my own hands, doing my artwork, through the sale of my paintings, through some of my writings, some small fees for public speaking. But really the only people backing me were people who had come to me, converts through my lectures, talks, features, articles, radio shows. But it was just nowhere nearly enough to say that I was going to be able to become a political force in Canadian life. I therefore did make the step and did move back to English speaking Ontario. I retreated, so to speak, into myself, more study to digest what I had learned.

And I did put to use what I had learned in radio talk shows, TV talk shows. Some of the country’s leading TV programs approached me to become a guest on their shows or to be participating as a panelist, and I did exactly that.

One program in Toronto that I participated in several times was the Crossfire program, a program that was delving into controversial issues at the time, such as draft dodging by American Vietnam draftees, modern art, corruption and so on. And I enjoyed myself immensely and was quite popular on these programs. These programs of course, were seen by other TV and radio producers who in turn invited me onto their programs.

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Patriot Gus
Please contact Gus Stefanis Leader of the Canadian Nationalist Party.

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ShanRiHa
Zundel is undoubtedly a fantastic German who was dedicated to telling the truth about these jews and what they’ve deliberately done to Germany and its people. This relentless attack upon Ernst because of his honesty and commitment to exposing the truth about these jews and what they did to the German people and for this they’ve attacked him using jewish Liars like Lipsdat etc to attempt to defame and ridicule him in the Courts etc. Ernst has shown us all what these evil jews have done and are still doing to this day and for that he has earned the respect of many. Vale Ernst Zundel.
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Ernst Zundel – Media Tactics 2 – Interview with John Reynolds, CJOR Radio – Aug, 1978 – Transcript

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Ernst Zundel

Media Tactics 2

Interview with John Reynolds, CJOR Radio

Tue, Aug 15, 1978

[In this episode of Another Voice For Freedom, German-Canadian revisionist, author, artist and activist, Ernst Zundel talks with former Canadian MP and radio host of CJOR Radio his samizdat publications and his activities as a pro-German advocate against organized jewry’s black propaganda lies, especially the “holocaust” hoax.

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01 What is Samizdat?

02 Some Commentary by Zundel on the Nature of Commercial Radio and Its Effects on Listeners

03 Zundel’s Pamphlet Promoting Books and Tapes About UFOs, the Third Reich

04 The Toronto Sun Calls Zundel a Fanatic, a Neo-Nazi

05 Censorship in Canada

06 Demand for Zundel’s Publications, Including the Book, the Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions

07 Accusing Zundel of Having a Hang-up About Jews

08 The Holocaust Movie and Anti-German Programs Are Hate Propaganda

09 No Six Million Jews – the Red Cross Report

10 There Were No Gas Chambers Anywhere in Germany!

11 Zundel’s Commentary on the Conversation So Far

12 Female Caller Tells Zundel to “Lay Down and Die!”

13 Camps for Japanese, Germans and Italians in Canada, America and Britain

14 Why Don’t You Use Your Real Name?

15 West Germany and East Germany Are Dictatorships

16 Do You Believe in the White Superiority?

17 Problems with Canada and Its Immigration Policy

18 Have You Ever Been to Auschwitz?

19 Red Cross Report on German Concentration Camps

20 Belsen and the Typhus Epidemic and the Germans Told to Protect the Camp Until the British Arrived

21 Zundel’s Advice Re Dealing with Radio Station Hosts

22 Germans Innocent of the Alleged Crime of Killing Six Million Jews

23 Was the Canadian Concentration Camps Not a Crime?

24 Caller Recounts Seeing Ss Shot People

25 There is Always an Uncle Tom.

26 Caller on Japanese in Concentration Camps

27 Zundel’s Commentary on the Typical Canadian Man in the Street on Race

28 Caller on the Suppressed Book ‘All Honorable Men’

29 World War II was Above All a Battle for World Markets

30 Albert Speer’s 20 Years in Spandau Being Brainwashed

31 Caller Claims Innocent Children Put in Gas Chambers

32 Zundel’s Commentary on the Jewish Caller and Their Emotionalism and Lies

33 The Need for All Those Who Believe in the Rightness of the Cause to Help Spread the Message

34 Jews and Their Claims of Having Lost Untold Family Members!

35 Anti-Semitism as a Natural Self-Defence Reaction

36 As a War Measure, the Concentration Camps Can Be Justified

37 Female Caller Supporting the Holocaust Movie

38 Male Caller Somewhat Supportive of Zundel’s Position

39 Israel Has Got Terror Squads Going out into the World Assassinating Diplomats, Etc.

40 Male Caller Denies Gas Chambers and Disputes the Number of Jews Who Died

41 Zundel Talks About the Nuremberg Trials and the Dissenting Opinion of an Indian Judge

42 Zundel’s Commentary on the Radio Host’s Willingness to Let Him Speak Freely

43 Female Caller on the Amount of Hate Mongering That is Going On.

44 Zundel’s Run for the Post of Leader of the Liberal Party in 1968

45 Zundel’s Commentary on the Whole Program and Practical Advice to Callers

01 What is Samizdat?

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Ernst Zundel: Ernst Christoph Friedrich Zundel being interviewed by John Reynolds, former Member of Parliament of Canada, on CJOR radio in Vancouver, August, 78.

Radio Host: Oh, hello, it’s John Reynolds, CJOR. Yes, standby please.

Hello?

Ernst Zundel: Hello.

Radio Host: Yes, we’ll be going on in about one minute. What is samizdat?

Ernst Zundel: Samizdat is a Russian word and it means to be self published in the underground.

Radio Host: Okay, I’ll ask you that.

Ernst Zundel: Thank you.

Radio Host: Do you also call yourself. Is that the only name you use? Or you call yourself the Nazi Party of Canada or anything?

Ernst Zundel: No, no, no, no! We are strictly only publishing books.

Radio Host: Okay. You don’t have any organization, political movement at all?

Ernst Zundel: No.

Radio Host: Okay.

Ernst Zundel: However, I’m German and I was responsible for leading the demonstrations against the movie Holocaust.

Radio Host: Okay.

Ernst Zundel: It is not that we are political, Mr. Reynolds.

Radio Host: Okay, hang on a second. I’ll do an introduction, then we come back about a minute after this. You’ll hear it on this tape. Beep.

02 Some Commentary by Zundel on the Nature of Commercial Radio and Its Effects on Listeners

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Ernst Zundel: At this stage, it is important for our European listeners to understand that in North America, radio stations, most radio stations are privately owned and that they live off radio commercial advertisements. So every once in a while the announcer will be interjecting and stopping for exactly such commercials. And it is during those commercials that I might come in with some explanations of what was being said, the importance of it and so on. And it might be interesting just to leave a few words of those commercials in there for our European listeners so that they can get an idea of the mentality and what shapes the mentality of the North American and what the North American psyche is constantly being subjected to and why Americans and Canadians maybe think the way that they think.

Radio Host: Hi.

Ernst Zundel: Hello.

Radio Host: If suddenly you don’t hear the feed on the line, hang up, we’ll call you right back. Okay? Just in case something happens.

Ernst Zundel: Okay. If I do not hear the feedback, then I’ll hang up.

Radio Host: Yeah, if you don’t when you’re on hold, if you don’t hear the show right, then hang up right away and we’ll call you back.

Ernst Zundel: Thank you very much.

03 Zundel’s Pamphlet Promoting Books and Tapes About UFOs, the Third Reich

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Radio Host: Okay. The present airport temperature 14 degrees. At 8:31 it’s 18 degrees at CJR in the Grosvenor Hot Morning Report. I’m Maury Heskit. Have a good day!

Next to Reynolds Reports.

Good morning. The other day I received a pamphlet in the mail called What’s New at Samizat? It’s got pictures of Nazi swastikas on it. It’s got UFOs that asks questions about UFOs, are they real? It talks about were Hitler and Eva Braun on board, they may be still alive? It tells you can get tapes that you can listen to on the way to work in the morning. Battle songs and marches of the Third Reich. Very strange pamphlet. The gentleman who is an author of a book called UFO and Nazis A Secret Weapon, Christoph Friedrich is with us this morning. He’s on the phone line from Toronto. We’re going to talk to him about this pamphlet and some of the other books he publishes right after these messages.

Ernst Zundel: Again, please pay attention to what Mr. Reynolds has been saying.

The one thing that immediately grabbed his attention were the Nazi swastikas, as he calls them, and also some of the things that we are advertising in conjunction with UFOs. Therein lies the secret. He would never have called me if our advertisement had looked any different. Had it been a straightforward UFO advertisement, I doubt whether he would have called. But it was the combination of swastika and UFOs that got him to call us and we continue to listen to him now.

04 The Toronto Sun Calls Zundel a Fanatic, a Neo-Nazi

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Radio Host: Okay, what is Samizdat all about? The Toronto Sun calls you a fanatic, a neo-Nazi.

Ernst Zundel: Well, one of the writers of the Toronto Sun does, yes, in a kind of a slanderous article that is kind of slippery that you can hardly sue him, or you would spend about $12,000 to sue him.

However, as to your question, what samizdat is or what samizdat means. Samistat is a Russian word and it simply means that all the material by samizdat is self produced, self written and published in the underground.

In other words, Sharansky, Solzhenitsyn, they are Russian samizdat authors. And I found to my complete surprise, in Canada, in the United States, in Western Europe, in the Western world, we have our Sharanski and our Solzhenitsyns. And I happen to believe that I am a Canadian Solzhenitsyn!

Radio Host: You really believe that?

06 Demand for Zundel’s Publications, Including the Book, the Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions

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Ernst Zundel: I certainly do and I can prove it to you. We have suppression of new software, all kinds of intellectual thoughts in this country. We have censorship, not by a government censor, but by self-chosen and self imposed censorship in newspapers due to pressures from advertisers, certain business groups, ethnic groups, labor groups and so on. And I have been in the media field and lecturing, writing for the last, 20 years in my life in Canada. And I can assure you that we have a very definite system of censorship in this country.

Radio Host: Okay, you were born in Germany.

Ernst Zundel: I was born in Germany, lived half my life over there, and now I have lived exactly half my life over here. I came here when I was 19.

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Radio Host:

“And restricted by government agencies to a small group of special authorized listeners. Samizdat that now makes these vital moments of history available to you.”

Are you back there?

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

Radio Host: Okay. How did you get all these documents that you tell us that our allied governments are not allowing the rest of the people to hear? How did you get them? Why are you being allowed to publish them and nobody else?

Ernst Zundel: Well, it’s not a matter of being allowed. So far I have had several visits by threatening people that I should stop this stuff. I’ve been kicked out of magazines because I advertise our books. But why am I allowed? Because I go back to the original German sources. I have made a fairly good amount of money in Canada and I’m independently well off. I have traveled the world and I have searched out the Germans who were involved in World War II on these projects. I’ve got original blueprints.

Radio Host: But doesn’t that prove that your case? You’re saying there’s censorship and this stuff is not being allowed to be shown. Isn’t it really a case of who really cares? Who wants to hear this stuff?

06 Demand for Zundel’s Publications, Including the Book, the Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions

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Ernst Zundel: Well, the 12,000 people, after they were able, through some circuitous means, in fact out through my advertising efforts, underground advertising efforts, hand bills and so on, they were very much in favor of reading it. And I have got several hundred letters by people totally unsolicited who said they just love to read this stuff. They’re waiting for my next books. I put out a second book called The Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions that has sold already in the second edition. And there’s the German translation out of it. That’s selling briskly. The first book is the German edition that’s selling briskly. There’s a Spanish edition in the works and an Italian edition and the French edition.

08 The Holocaust Movie and Anti-German Programs Are Hate Propaganda

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Radio Host: Surely there’s probably always some people that might want to buy some radical material on one end of the spectrum or the other. But aren’t you really creating, it really looks to me here like you’re creating a whole company based on a hatred. A hatred of jews!

Ernst Zundel: A hatred of what? Where do I hate jews? The jews don’t figure. You see, Mr. Reynolds, that’s the problem with you Anglos. You know, you accuse the Germans of having a hangup over the jews. In our thinking, …

Radio Host: I don’t accuse the Germans of having a hangup with jews. I accused you of it.

Ernst Zundel: Okay, basing on what? Is there one word about jews in my pamphlet?

Radio Host: No, he’s very careful that there aren’t any.

Ernst Zundel: Well, that’s the point. Because you people, maybe when you were MP up in Ottawa had to stifle freedom of expression through a Bill called Hate Bill.

Radio Host: Oh, I never stifled anybody. Why did you pick at the movie, Holocaust?

08 The Holocaust Movie and Anti-German Programs Are Hate Propaganda

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Ernst Zundel: Because it’s nothing but lies! Zionist propaganda for profit. It’s that hate propaganda!

If you want to see hate propaganda piped into people’s homes, that was hate propaganda on a massive scale! And Mr. Reynolds, I am very sad to say that not one single nice noble Canadian came to our defense. No official government body. That after all, we Germans do enjoy, I think, some citizenship privileges which is equality in front of the law. We don’t get it! Every single night you can get anti-German programs on television or radio. What is this?

Radio Host: Well, certainly you would be allowed to your own movies if you wanted to and put that on.

Ernst Zundel: But then I’m saying to you, then the censorship comes in that we can’t advertise them, that movie houses won’t carry it. That’s the freedom. That’s what I mean to you. In the Soviet Union we have got the KGB putting Sharansky into jail. In Canada, what do we have? We have the self imposed censorship of certain ethnic groups who wield a tremendous amount of power here!

Radio Host: Are you saying that most of the things that were in the movie Holocaust didn’t happen?

Ernst Zundel: They were lies, outright lies! And that’s why they didn’t make it a documentary, but they called it a “docudrama” therein lies legalistic tricks!

Radio Host: What parts of it were lies? Are you trying to tell me that there were not a bunch of, millions of jews killed?

Ernst Zundel: No 6 million jews! That’s the basic point. Were ever murdered in Germany just for being jews.

Radio Host: Say that again.

09 No Six Million Jews – the Red Cross Report

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Ernst Zundel: No 6 million jews were ever murdered in Germany!

Radio Host: How many?

Ernst Zundel: Murdered? Very few. Died? Maybe 350,000 maximum. I have in front of me the Red Cross Report put out by the International Red Cross in Geneva in 1947. Now you can write to the Red Cross in Geneva and get that same report. It’s an official report of the Red Cross, into the concentration camps of World War II on the German side. There is not one single gas chamber that they found.

Radio Host: What about Poland, some of the other countries?

Ernst Zundel: Well, are you asking about Auschwitz, for instance? Because Auschwitz was in Poland.

Radio Host: Yeah.

Ernst Zundel: The United States, Air Force overflew the concentration camp of Auschwitz dozens of time. Now we know that today from released Air Force documents. They never found one single thing resembling a gas chamber. The United States, Air Force never bombed any gas chambers. You know, World War II aerial photography was so good that the British were able to take out the German V1 bases before they were even built and operational.

Now, if they found gas chambers and the American jewish community was always very strong in favor with President Roosevelt, they could have wiped out those gas chambers. Nothing flat! But they didn’t do it because they were not there. It is Zionist propaganda to blackmail the German people and to cow the rest of the world into their voracious demands!

Germany is not the way it is portrayed in the world. I am German. I was raised in Germany. I didn’t see one single proper German in that [word unclear] Holocaust!

[11:45]

10 There Were No Gas Chambers Anywhere in Germany!

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Radio Host: Are you trying to tell us that there were no gas chambers?

Ernst Zundel: There were no gas chambers anywhere in Germany!

Radio Host: What about anywhere where the German people, where the Nazis controlled the power?

Ernst Zundel: No such thing! When you, if you know the gas chambers, what they were delousing things, but they were certainly not used to gas people.

Radio Host: [words unclear]

Ernst Zundel: No, they were not. There’s a large body of evidence, suppressed again and censored in the usual Canadian and North American way, that states very clearly that there were no gas chmbers. We have a Professor of Northwestern University, Professor Butz has just written a 600 page study in which he comes to the very same conclusion. They have trials in Israel in which Adolf Eichmann was tried. The entire testimony of Adolf Eichmann, not one single time mentions a specific number of jews killed. Mr. Reynolds, we have had stories out of Europe of 11 million jews killed! Nine million jews killed! Six million jews killed!

The Red Cross says they never saw any gas chambers. The Germans statistically have a Red Cross report that talks about all the people died in World War II on all sides. And for the German nation there is 9 million people, including its 358,000 jews who died in German concentration camps.

Radio Host: Gotta go for a break. 685-9181’s our number. 685-9181. If you’d like to speak to Christoph Friedrich from Toronto, the head of Samizdat, give us a call, 685-9181. We’ll be right back with him after these messages. Hang on. I won’t put you on hold this time. I don’t know what happened last night.

Ernst Zundel: Well, I thought we were through.

Radio Host: Oh, did you? You hung up?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I did. I’m sorry, I had no idea what the format of the show was going to be.

Radio Host: Oh, no, thank you. Hang on, we’ll get back and we’ll take a couple of calls. I’ll put you on hold here.

Ernst Zundel: Okay, thank you.

11 Zundel’s Commentary on the Conversation So Far

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Ernst Zundel: We’re hardly into the program and what do we see? This man, a former Member of Parliament, Federal Parliament, obviously not a stupid man and certainly above average in intelligence. Otherwise he wouldn’t do the kind of work that he is doing. This Canadian called 5,000 km across the continent to a guy called Ernst Zundel to talk to him about flying saucers. Fascinated, attracted like a moth to the light by this combination of swastika, flying saucers, Third Reich, speeches of the Third Reich leaders which we advertise in our pamphlet. He only was cursorily interested in the flying saucer issue. Once in a while he comes back to it, touches upon it.

But basically what irks and bothers this man is all the stuff that I’m bringing out on this topic. Let’s return to him and listen to what he has to say.

Radio Host: Okay, John Reynolds back with Christoph Friedrich from Toronto. Are you still there?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I am.

Radio Host: Okay, we’ve got some callers that want to speak to you. We’ll get to them in just a second. I just want to warn everybody because I’m sure, Mr. Friedrich, there’s going to be some people who want to yell and scream at you, but we won’t put up with that if you want to talk sensibly, talk to Mr. Friedrich. If you agree or disagree with, and I hope nobody will yell at either side of us, have to cut you off because nobody can understand people yelling, go ahead.

12 Female Caller Tells Zundel to “Lay Down and Die!”

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Caller 1 (female): I couldn’t hear what he’s been saying recently. However, I have a statement here and I’d like to continue with it. It’ll take about 10 minutes.

Radio Host: You have to be quick because we’re going for the news. Go ahead.

Caller 1 (female): How dare do the [words unclear] come in now and [words unclear] this very many times? Do they think we’ve forgotten the horrors committed against the European continent and their plans to conquer the world?

Ernst Zundel: Oh dear!

Caller 1 (female): Who was the top spy in the USA, Reinhard Heindrich [sp], working with the American First Ambassador Hotel in New York with ITT, General Motors, Ford Company, Texas Oil, Standard Oil and defied the Neutrality Act by shipping supplies to South America and on to Germany. The then President Roosevelt, drafting his [word unclear], fearing impeachment, dared not make public firsthand information from William Stevenson, a Winnipeg born Canadian who headed the Secret Service in Britain. He’s the man called Intrepid. Germany was close to producing the A bomb and thousands of men and women sacrificed their lives to gather information that later helped to change all. If it had not been for Churchill, Roosevelt and Hitler, plus the Russian invasion, you might have won, but you didn’t! Lay down and die!

Ernst Zundel: [chuckling] Talking about hate. Was that love, Mr. Reynolds?

Radio Host: Well, you see, that’s what I was trying to tell you. I think what you do sometimes generates that kind of hate when you try to bring back some of the things the Nazis did during the Second World War.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, I want to tell you something that’s entirely the typical Canadian and North American attitude. You people think that you have a monopoly of what is truth and what is history. What you in effect have is your own World War II propaganda parading as history!

Now, when we Germans stand up and ever so mildly and meekly ask for equal time, never get number one, equal time. I have to send out a flamboyant pamphlet and I have to demonstrate, to denigrate myself, to demonstrate in front of newspaper offices, human rights commissions and so on, because we are not even getting equal rights and equal treatment in front of the law.

[17:48]

Radio Host: Well, it will be interesting to see if any of our German friends in Vancouver fall out because I’ve talked to a number of them who don’t feel exactly the way you do. Go ahead.

Caller 2 (female): Oh, good morning. This is the first time I’ve done this. I’m a little nervous, but I am so angry because listening to that voice in the radio, it brings it all back. And this is a tragedy of the German people. This man is talking in arrogance. He is talking from a prideful position, saying that we should tolerate him, that we should put up with him when he’s caused millions of people to [word unclear]. This whole thing is going to continue. The German people, unfortunately, are going to have to suffer for several generations, as long as my generation is alive. Who can remember being bombed in the UK you can remember the first pictures of the concentration camps being opened when there were children. You can remember everything about the war.

13 Camps for Japanese, Germans and Italians in Canada, America and Britain

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Ernst Zundel: Okay, may I come in here, please? For equal time.

First of all, the United States, England and Canada bombed the living daylights out of Germany, killing 3 million Germans! 30,000 Englishmen were hurt, didn’t die, but were hurt in World War II bombing of England. So the score is certainly far out of proportion. That’s number one.

Number two, you had concentration camps in Canada in which you put innocent Japanese, robbed them of their property. And you also put Germans in concentration camps and Italians in concentration camps. You had the same in the United States.

Now we were in Germany. We are a dictatorship. You were a Democratic country. What did you, madam, do in England when you were in England at that time about those imprisoned in English concentration camps under the 18B regulation.

Radio Host: Okay, listen, let’s go for the 9 o’ clock news. We’re right back with Christoph Friedrich after the 9 o’ clock news. CJOR. Thanks for your call.

Caller 2 (female): Thank you. I was just child at the time. I couldn’t do anything.

Ernst Zundel: Well, so was I. But now we can do something.

Caller 2 (female): No, we’re not.

Ernst Zundel: Yes, we can prevent the same thing from happening again by speaking the truth!

Radio Host: Okay, thanks. Listen, we’ll call you back in five minutes, okay?

Ernst Zundel: Okay, thank you.

Radio Host: Make sure you don’t use your line.

Ernst Zundel: No. Okay, I can’t help incoming calls.

[break]

Ernst Zundel: Hello.

Radio Host: Yes, I got you. Okay, I’ll come back in about 30 seconds.

Ernst Zundel: It is interesting that during the next 30 seconds I could not monitor what he was saying. So I have absolutely no idea if he was going to give me some kind of a bad introduction or bad mouthing me or telling the listeners I was some kind of a nut case. That’s a very interesting point. Let’s return to the program.

[break]

14 Why Don’t You Use Your Real Name?

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Radio Host: Tom Reynolds back and on the phone lines Ronald Christoph Friedrich out of Samizda. Are you the president of Samizda?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I own it lock stock and barrel.

Radio Host: You own it. It’s no shareholders. It’s one man. Listen, somebody phoned me yesterday and told me that your real name is Ernst Zundel, that Christoph Friedrich are your two middle names.

Ernst Zundel: That’s right.

Radio Host: Why do you use those as your name for publishing?

Ernst Zundel: Well, because I run a fairly successful two other businesses. And when I started out, this Samizda thing, it was not flying saucer strictly. And you have to admit it’s a somewhat [word unclear] subject and people are leery of dealing with nuts. So I thought I might get myself a little protection. It’s nothing illegal. Everybody in the arts and in writing has nom de plumes, you know. It’s a perfectly natural and normal occurrence.

Radio Host: Let me ask you another question before we go back to the callers. You talk about censorship in Canada and the United States. Would you be allowed to do what you’re doing with your talking about your UFOs about Hitler, about the Nazis, if you were living in Germany today?

15 West Germany and East Germany Are Dictatorships

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Ernst Zundel: No, because West Germany and East Germany are the most horrific dictatorships. They make Hitler pale into insignificance!

Radio Host: Why would you say West Germany is a dictatorship? They have elections. The German people elect all the people that go into their legislature.

Ernst Zundel: Because, number one, it’s a matter of having no choice. In West Germany, the Allies have riddled Germany with spy networks and we have a strictly political police and a political judiciary in Germany. The nation’s element which carries the German State for 13 years, is completely outlawed, has been killed, is rotting in jails.

Consequently, what we have in Germany are quislings. We have in West Germany, West German, pro-American, pro-British, pro-French, pro-Canadian quislings. And in East Germany we have pro-communist, pro-Russian quislings. Germany is occupied country! It is not independent. The people who have been speaking for Germany are executive organs of the occupying powers.

16 Do You Believe in the White Superiority?

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Radio Host: One final question before we go back to the calls. Do you believe in the White superiority?

Ernst Zundel: No. No.

Radio Host: You are not [word unclear] with leader of the Nazi party in the United States then?

Ernst Zundel: He’s a jew!

Radio Host: Yes, I know that.

[22:43]

Ernst Zundel: Okay, fine. Now if you have a jewish agent, he might be a jewish hero in Nazi uniform if he brings out lines like that that conform with the Hollywood image which Hollywood has created about National Socialism and about Germany, that’s one thing. Hitler in all of the 800 pages of Mein Kunk not once mentioned the word Aryan “superiority” or “master race” or stuff like that! This is strictly Anglo-jewish propaganda! It is not true.

Radio Host: Go ahead.

Caller 1 (female): Hi John. I was born after the war, so this is really all history thinking, but I don’t feel any angry towards this guest. But I am kind of fascinated with him. Fascinated in the sense that I think he’s really taking us for a really good ride. I think he’s really capitalizing on our ignorance, on all these things and all that. But it kind of frightens me too in the other sense because people are angry and not these kind of things get stirred up.

Radio Host: That’s a very good question though. Christoph Friedrich, are you just really capitalizing on the Holocaust and other things that are happening to make yourself some more money?

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds? I don’t need to make more money. What I’m telling you is that I am now 39 years old. I’ve got children born by a Canadian mother going through the Canadian school system that are being brainwashed with lies and nothing but lies which will disarm them in any future conflict that we are seeing coming up on the horizon! The western world is in a life and death struggle and doesn’t realize it, because it is looking constantly over its shoulder flailing a dead horse called Nazism while there are Marxists in the highest places in government, the military, the media in this lovely land! That is my point!

Caller 1 (female): But sir, you must think we’re really fools because all these things have been past for so many years.

17 Problems with Canada and Its Immigration Policy

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Ernst Zundel: You are asses because you allow non-subversives and certainly incapable people of running the affairs of this nation. Canada is a paradise, and it could be a paradise. And it was almost a paradise when I came to these shores. What we have now is our old people robbed of their pensions. We have got riots in jails, we have got kidnappings, we have got muggings. We have got murders on a scale that is unprecedented before. If you were such intelligent people and exercising your duties of citizenship properly, we could not get the kind of rotten leadership we are getting!

Ernst Zundel: Well, sir, I just don’t take you very seriously.

Ernst Zundel: Well, that’s okay. I don’t take you very seriously either.

Radio Host: Christoph Friedrich one of the reasons we’ve got these problems because of our immigration policy.

Ernst Zundel: Certainly, yes!

Radio Host: What should we do about our immigration policy?

Ernst Zundel: I was the only person in 1968 that appeared in front of the Parliamentary committee and the Senate committee on immigration and said:

“For God’s sake, do not change the immigration policy in this country or your children will curse you!”

Mr. Reynolds, what has happened is not the children are cursing the politicians of that 1968 Parliament. Their wives, their mothers, their grandmothers, their uncles and their hands are cursing them!

Radio Host: What should we do with our immigration policy in Canada?

Ernst Zundel: Don’t import problems!

Radio Host: Are you saying what types of people are the problem and what countries do they come from?

Ernst Zundel: Ask any police official. Who are being picked up for, numerically speaking, for dope peddling, pimping, distribution sniffing and stuff like that.

Radio Host: Are you talking about the blacks and the yellow people that are coming in?

Ernst Zundel: You know, that’s a loaded question.

Radio Host: I’m sure it is.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, I’m saying to you that we didn’t have it before, but certainly we now have it. Does that answer the question fairly?

Radio Host: More White immigration from England, Germany and the other such as that?

Ernst Zundel: Certainly.

Radio Host: Okay, go ahead.

Caller 4 (male): Mr. Frederick?

Ernst Zundel: Yeah?

18 Have You Ever Been to Auschwitz?

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Radio Host: Have you ever been to Auschwitz?

Ernst Zundel: Pardon me?

Radio Host: Have you ever visited Auschwitz concentration camp?

Ernst Zundel: No, but I’ve entered Dahau. I don’t need to go to have a piece of fictitious history paraded in front of my eyes.

Radio Host: I have visited Auschwitz and the place where it is said that the gas chambers were, which is right beside the incinerators.

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

Caller 4 (male): Is right in the middle of the camp. You say, if the British believed there were gas chambers, they would have bombed them.

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

Caller 4 (male): With all the tens of thousands of inmates in Auschwitz, it would have been another “Holocaust”. Tens of thousands of prisoners who would have died through the bombing.

19 Red Cross Report on German Concentration Camps

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Ernst Zundel: Okay, may I respond to that? I have in front of me the Red Cross Report, page 92. That’s an official document. No Germans participated in writing it. It is strictly based on the work done by the International Committee of the Red Cross, which by the way went to see every concentration camp in Germany and had even delegates living within some concentration camps. Now I put it to you, if the Germans had something to hide, they would certainly not allow number one to visit, number two, allow delegates to live there.

Now, the Russians don’t allow Red Cross delegates to go and visit their concentration camps, but the Germans did!

Now, on page 92 it says that the confidence man, the man of Kofiyas [sp], is the French reporter that I’m looking at was a British commando who was captured by the Germans and he was in Auschwitz. The Red Cross delegate asks him:

“What are these rumors about Sal Didush, meaning shower bars?”

And he said:

“They are nothing but rumors. We have been unable to verify that there were such things.”

Now, the concentration camp of was in September 44. Shortly thereafter, the concentration camp of Auschwitz was closed and the German razed it to the ground! Every single German concentration camp in the east that the Germans abandoned was razed to the ground! So any structure that you see there, built today was built after the war! So much for your historical accuracy.

[28:34]

20 Belsen and the Typhus Epidemic and the Germans Told to Protect the Camp Until the British Arrived

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Radio Host: And you say the same for Belsen?

Ernst Zundel: No, I can explain to you Belsen very easily.

Radio Host: That was raised to the ground also?

Ernst Zundel: No. That was not in the East. If you were to listen and hear what I’m saying, you could get someplace in the story. Belsen is in central Germany.

Now, the commander of Belsen was forced to take up, because of the situation of the war, 20,000 more prisoners than the camp was designed for. Now typhus broke out because Medicines and food couldn’t get to the camp because England and America destroyed the entire German railroad system in Operation Thunderclap, which knocked out 9,000 German railroads stations and railroad junctions. Now the system of transportation and food supply broke down. Food rations had to be cut. Belsen suffered a typhus epidemic. And the German commander said in radioing to the International Red Cross in Geneva:

“We have this situation here. If the war comes to our camp and these prisoners go out into the land, they will infect the occupying army, namely Montgomery’s army, and also the whole population of Europe. What should we do?”

And the British commander and the German commander agreed that the German SS guards were to go and protect the camp and keep it while the war raged around it. And when the war was just about over in this area, the British came and they took over the camp. And in typical English, World War II fashion, they grabbed the guys who had agreed to stay behind and they, number one, had them beaten up and the torture of the guards and the story of how you Anglos at the end of World War II got your lovely show trials and stuff like that. That’s another kettle of fish.

Radio Host: Now you saying, … Gotta go for a break. I have to let some other callers. Thanks for your call. 685-9181’s number. We’ll be right back after these messages. Back in about a minute. I won’t put you on hold just in case we get cut off.

Ernst Zundel: Okay. Fine, thank you.

Radio Host: How’s the weather in Toronto?

Ernst Zundel: It’s a beautiful day, Mr. Reynolds. It’s a beautiful day. I wish I could talk to you about something simple like flying saucers. But I want to thank you for giving me the opportunity, believe me. I do appreciate it, believe me. There are far too few people in the Western world today like yourself.

21 Zundel’s Advice Re Dealing with Radio Station Hosts

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[Zundel’s commentary]

Ernst Zundel: Now a very important lesson to be learned. Always congratulate your host. Always be deferential to him and be kind to him. Never bully him and never embarrass him! Always leave him a way out, because he too has a boss. He too has a station owner, station manager, program manager, advertisers. Don’t burn the bridges behind him unless you want to destroy him. And those cases ought to be very few. Always behave in such a way, even if you have to give a point or two, that you are the nice person, that you are the friendly one and a well mannered one. You don’t have to be mealy mouthed. Be hard and be soft. [chuckling] What I mean is be gentle and be kind. It has paid for me tremendous dividends. And time and again I’ve been told by moderators of radio and TV, the reason why they had me back on was because I always allowed them a way out with their station managers.

Now let us rejoin the program and carry on with the interview.

[Interview continues]

22 Germans Innocent of the Alleged Crime of Killing Six Million Jews

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Radio Host: John Reynolds back with Christoph Friedrich, the head of Samizdat out of Toronto. Mr. Friedrich, let me ask you a question. You mainly deal in other than things with the records and the tapes about German music and so forth, but UFOs, why would [n’t] you stick to UFOs, and stay away from the Nazi angle?

Ernst Zundel: Because it’s a matter upon which our civilization fails or survives!

Radio Host: Explain that.

Ernst Zundel: The German, supposed German guilt for World War II has taken the militarily, economically, politically strongest nation in the heart of Europe which after all is the heart of our culture and has made it the [word unclear]. We are the outcast today. You have had no German input of any significance since the end of World War II.

Mr. Reynolds, we have had 138 wars since 1945.

Radio Host: In British Columbia the largest ethnic group is German.

Ernst Zundel: Of course.

Radio Host: They’re top citizens. They’re leaders in business. This situation with the “Holocaust”, and what you’re trying to promote is passe with a lot of people. Jewish families involved in the war. German families involved in war that maybe have some guilt, have some hard feelings. But the young people today don’t have those types of feelings.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds. That’s exactly my point. Why can we not discuss it sensibly? And why can we only judge it from the Jewish-Anglo, jewish angle?

Radio Host: What talk about it all?

Ernst Zundel: No, we can’t do that, Mr. Reynolds. Why should German people collectively bear the [word unclear] and individually the stigma of coming from a group of people that have murdered 6 million people, if they are innocent of the crime, why should we? We are not, …

Radio Host: Number one, that I don’t think is a stigma. The German people living in this country. Number two, there was a crime there.

Ernst Zundel: Okay, was Dresden not a crime? Was Hamburg not a crime? Was Nagasaki not a crime?

[34:48]

Radio Host: That’s a crime.

23 Was the Canadian Concentration Camps Not a Crime?

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Ernst Zundel: Was the Canadian concentration camps not a crime? You see, even, …

Radio Host: I agree with you. The way we treated the Japanese in the Second World War was a crime.

But it’s well talked about.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, but no restitution has been made, and to put it in proper perspective. You see, we have to first heal the wounds of the old before we can start anew. Humanity is like an organic body. If you have a cancer growing in one area, the body is sick, you see? And I’m saying to you, I want the wounds of World War II healed properly, not festering. And all those people who put on the Holocaust movie that was seen in 70 million American homes at one and the same time. And it was full of lies! ! Mr. Reynolds, they are the hatemongers! I tried to have that movie stop before it started. I am the nice guy! The others are the aggressors in this thing.

Radio Host: Go ahead.

Caller (male): Mr. Friedrich. How old are you?

Ernst Zundel: I’m 39.

Caller (male): So you were what? About six years old when the war ended?

Ernst Zundel: That’s right.

Caller (male): Do you really have no firsthand knowledge of what went on?

Ernst Zundel: My dear man, I have firsthand knowledge of being frightened like a dog by bombs falling on our head, by our house collapsing around us. By my mother being chased by American and Algerian invading troops. By the cruelty of your occupation, by the starvation. Don’t come unto me with honeyed words and say I have no recollection of the war. I do!

Caller (male): I happen to be German too. I came from there.

Ernst Zundel: Hey, that’s nice.

Caller (male): And I happen to be a lot older than you are.

Ernst Zundel: Good.

Caller (male): I saw it was, …

Ernst Zundel: It doesn’t make you necessarily wiser or more knowledgeable, though.

Caller (male): I’m not saying that I’m wiser, but you know, when I’m listening to you, I can understand, you profess to represent what German people think or say.

Ernst Zundel: I never did. I never did!

Caller (male): You don’t?

Ernst Zundel: I say what some German people think, those who think and not those who think they think.

Caller (male): I’m glad to hear that. Because, …

Ernst Zundel: You see, you don’t think, you just think you think.

Caller (male): I can quite see if somebody listens to you, then you just get turned off. If that is what comes out of Germany. Good God! You know, you’re a nut!

Ernst Zundel: What would you like to come out of Germany? Tell me! More reparations for crimes we didn’t commit? More flagellating, more self incriminating for things we didn’t do?

24 Caller Recounts Seeing Ss Shot People

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Caller (male): All right. I happened to be in Germany and outside of Germany during those years and I have seen what was going on.

Ernst Zundel: You were outside those years in Germany, is that it?

Caller (male): Let me finish, please. Just don’t butt in all the time!

Ernst Zundel: No, look, get your story straight. Were you in Germany at that time or out of Germany?

Caller (male): Yes, I was in Germany. I was in Poland. Let me tell you. I have seen how the jews were rounded up. I have seen them running around in droves being driven by SS people. I’ve seen them being shot. Shot! Just because somebody was straggling, couldn’t follow the rest.

Ernst Zundel: And what did you do about it?

Caller (male): What I did about it? Nothing! I couldn’t do anything.

Ernst Zundel: Exactly!

In other words, you were a coward then and you are a coward now!

Caller (male): Let me tell you something right now. I may have been a coward! I probably was. I was at the time, 15 years of age.

Ernst Zundel: Well, if you saw somebody shot and didn’t do something about it, you were a coward!

Caller (male): I probably was.

But I can tell you one thing, it certainly has weighed very heavily on my conscience. Because what was going on, that was not right. And I don’t give a damn how much you rant and rave.

Ernst Zundel: I’m not ranting or raving.

Caller (male): You will never be able to obliterate the darkest period in German history. Okay?

Ernst Zundel: Well, if the Canadians are doing as well, and the British and the Americans and the jews in obliterating their dark parts in their history, we’d have a beautiful world. But as long as it’s only one sided, I Intend to speak the other side as long as good God gives me a breath to do it.

Caller (male): I just hope that people don’t regard you as representative of Germany.

Radio Host: 685 918 was the number. We’ll be right back after these messages.

[break]

You get any interference from the RCMP coming in to look at your membership list?

Ernst Zundel: Not anymore. Not anymore.

Radio Host: They did it one time?

Ernst Zundel: I used to be [word unclear] two or three times a week. Yeah, but not anymore. The main problem now comes from the Canadian jewish Congress and their agents.

25 There is Always an Uncle Tom.

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[Zundel’s commentary on the caller]

Ernst Zundel: It never fails. There is always an Uncle Tom! The blacks have him, the jews have him and the Germans have him. That is if the caller indeed was a German as he claimed to be. He did have some strange accent, that’s for sure.

However, I practically smelled him coming from left field and decided early on that here was one guy that was going to be nailed. And he certainly was! And I’m happy that that is now. There is no way that you can allow people like that to dominate the program by trying to be overly kind to them. People like that who mess into their own bed, you have to be short and swift! Back to the program.

[39:59]

Radio Host: John Reynolds back with Christoph Friedrich in Toronto. 685-9181 the number go ahead please.

Hello?

Caller (male): Hello.

Radio Host: Go ahead.

26 Caller on Japanese in Concentration Camps

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Caller (male): What he says about immigration coming in this country. Well, I’m in agreement what he said about only the White race, that White people should immigrate here. But I wasn’t in agreement with what he said about the Japanese being innocent because it was myself I think it was a good thing that they were put in concentration camps because if the Japanese had landed here the ones that were in the country would have helped the Japanese invading forces.

And one of Japanese was educated in Vancouver here went to school and had his education here. He went over to Japan during the war and he was one of the worst ones over there. He beat the Canadian soldiers with whips in the camps there and [word unclear] for it.

Radio Host: Does that mean that all the rest of them would have been the same?

Caller (male): Pardon?

Radio Host: Does that mean that all the rest of them would have been the same? Why would a Japanese Canadian be any lesser Canadian than you were?

Caller (male): Well, I mean I don’t have any agreement with it. It wasn’t very innocent. You didn’t know what’s behind it. They [word unclear] truckloads of rifles and war stuff and short waves receivers and everything.

Ernst Zundel: And Mr. Reynolds.

Radio Host: I don’t know believe that gives us the right to take away people’s property.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, if I may interject here. I have read the story of the tragedy of the American Japanese and the Canadian Japanese. I am not aware of one single instance where truckloads of Japanese rifles were taken away. That is a red herring of wartime propaganda. Now in the calmer days 30 years after. That’s simply not true.

Number one, I’d like to say on principle Japan did not declare war on Canada. Number two, Canada meddled in Japanese affairs 10,000 miles away from home in Hong Kong. Number three, the Japanese people who were in this country were legally admitted immigrants, had an excellent work record, were frugal, thrifty, pillars of society. They were robbed in the most sneaky, slimy way of their hard earned property. Proper restitution has not been done. When Premier Kuro went over to Japan and apologized to the people of Japan, the columns and the radio stations in the Toronto area were so full of hate towards our own Prime Minister. Just apologizing, that I am telling you Canadians have some skeletons in the crossing and their skeletons are intolerance and hate! And I am bringing those out. And if I speak forcefully, I speak with the eloquence of emergency. Because I can assure you if you Canadians are going to let this thing get done to the Germans today and you were allowing it yesterday to the Japanese, tomorrow you will allow it to another ethnic group. I’m telling you, if we don’t come to grips with this cancer in Canadian society tomorrow, it might be you!

Caller (male): Why don’t you speak to some of the Canadians that was taken Christmas day, prisoners in places there, and they were tortured.

Ernst Zundel: Sir, my question to you is, what business did they have to do over in Hong Kong? Did Canada have no problems in their own country?

So you see, if you meddle in a fight between two bullies, if you meddle in that and you get a black eye, it’s not like, don’t come back, complaining!

Caller (male): Well, they landed here, they came here by the submarine. They were just about pretty close to taking over the Aleutian islands. They had places dug in rock there and they confixated all their supplies. Don’t worry my friend, they were just about right to our doorstep here.

Ernst Zundel: This was after the war was on.

Anyway. Listen, this is a very fruitless discussion. I frankly think that the Japanese were maltreated and Canadians cannot make any excuses and cannot treat it under the rug. Justice is what we want. Justice for all the people, including jews, Pakistanis and Indians. What I’m saying to you is that I was the only one in 1968 to prevent problems from happening. Don’t you see? 1968, the United States was experiencing civil war on a massive scale where blacks were burning down practically every large city. You know, Watts and Detroit and so on. And I said at that time to the special Commission sitting in Montreal:

“Gentlemen, please learn from what is happening. We don’t owe these people anything!”

Canada didn’t have empire, you see I can see England having to import these people, but Canada should have a policy that is best for Canadians.

Caller (male): Well, the Black Panthers are stirring up the Indians here in Canada. And the Indians didn’t have enough sense to fight for themselves. But until another outfit came in here called the Black Panthers and they just stir these Indians up and it’s just making trouble for the Indians. And the Canadian government is surprised that they let these leaders come in from the United States.

Ernst Zundel: No, afraid I have to once again put it in the proper historical perspective. You Canadians in World War II allied yourself with Marxism, international Communism!

Now, because they were your allies then, you feel kind of uneasy about cracking down on them now because it would mean you made a mistake then. So what are you doing? You are allowing all kinds of Marxist infiltrators into your university, into your news media, and into the book publishing business and into education. And what they turn out are young commies. And these young commies then go out agitating minorities. Naturally, they’re not going to actually agitate the mass of Canadians because they are so lethargic. So they go after the Indians and other minorities.

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27 Zundel’s Commentary on the Typical Canadian Man in the Street on Race

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Radio Host: Okay, thanks for your call. 685-918 was the number. We’ll be right back after these messages.

[Zundel’s commentary]

Ernst Zundel: What you have just heard is the typical average Canadian man in the street, World War II veteran speaking. A simple man with a bigoted viewpoint. Basically what he is a racist, but afraid to say it.

Now, here in me, he had found somebody who was very seldom on Canadian airwaves these days, willing to put in the good word for the Whites and point out their desperate situation. And the poor devil called up and couldn’t really make his point coherently.

Yet he had lived this kind of viewpoint for all his life and ended up trying to defend the indefensible. Interesting also is that the moderator, former Member of Parliament, all he could think about was the Japanese property being taken away. It didn’t occur to him that that’s not the main beef. It was not that the property was taken away. It was the fact that in a Democratic country that was not under immediate attack, was not being invaded, the dignity of human beings was being insulted that they were being herded into concentration camps. Men, women, children, father, mother, grandfather, grandparents and so on. They were robbed of their fortunes. They were robbed of their fishing boats and their fishing gears, their farms and so on. And Canadians can make no excuses. And he tried to make an excuse with World War II propaganda. What he pulled on the Japanese, they’re trying to pull on the Germans. Back to the program.

Radio Host: Okay, John Reynolds back. My guest is Chris Christoph Friedrich, head of Samizdat. 6859181 is the number. Go ahead.

28 Caller on the Suppressed Book ‘All Honorable Men’

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Caller (male): Yes, hello, Mr. Reynolds.

Radio Host: Yes.

Caller (male): I know you’re first, please. Thank God from your political deal. Is the other gentleman on the line too? Have either of you people ever read the first publication of a book called All Honorable Men? All Honorable Men.

Radio Host: Christoph Friedrich, have you read the book All Honorable Men?

Ernst Zundel: Is that by the English writer Douglas Reed?

Radio Host: English writer who was in Germany after the war. The book was suppressed. A new version came out which is completely different from the original publication of the book called All Our Men. Unfortunately, I loaned it out to somebody. I never got it back. There is a book out All Honorable Men, but it’s not the same version.

But in the original publication of the book, All Our Men showed how the Second World War was perpetrated!

Now, you realize that IG Farben was never bombed in Germany. IG Farben had a subsidiary in the United States. They made their deal and in United States manufactured and it said on there, it documented made in Germany was sent to South America. The money came back to Germany.

By the way, I’m a disabled war veteran.

And when I read that book, the original publication, which was the suppressed, showed how Schrader [sp], who was a companion of Roosevelt went to Germany and became the financial expert in Germany. I am in complete agreement. And I fought against you people. I speak German fluently. I’m a disabled war veteran.

Radio Host: Make your point, please.

Caller (male): Pardon?

Radio Host: Make your point.

Caller (male): Yeah, but what I’m saying is this. If you could, any of you, Mr. Reynolds and the gentleman there, could get the original edition of All Honorable Men, there is documentation after documentation. And I happen to agree. And Mr. Reynolds, but the other gentleman there were that not many jews were that. Now I don’t agree with all of them.

Radio Host: Okay, thanks for your comment.

29 World War II was Above All a Battle for World Markets

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Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds. May I say something to that, please?

Radio Host: Go ahead.

Ernst Zundel: There’s no doubt that World War II was above all a battle for world markets. You see, and it is clearly expressed in the British Foreign Office documents which have been recently released after the 30 year time is up and American Foreign Office or Secretary of State offices and documents which are now being declassified after 35 years.

The fact is that Japan and Germany being geographically in a small area, being devoid of raw materials, these two nations must export in order to live. So they were in effect disturbing the international trading pattern. And high finance and international multinational corporations got together the way this fellow describes out of this book, All Honorable Men, got together and they decided:

“Well, if we can wipe out the competition, we will have the world markets to ourselves!”

You see?

Radio Host: Let me ask you a question. What about a gentleman by the name of Speers? You know him?

Ernst Zundel: No.

20 Belsen and the Typhus Epidemic and the Germans Told to Protect the Camp Until the British Arrived

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Radio Host: You haven’t read his book? He was one of the German officers who was tried in Nuremberg.

Ernst Zundel: Oh, Speer. Well, okay, I’ll be happy to respond to this. I’ve corresponded with him. Mr. Reynolds, that man was in allied custody for 20 years! He was only allowed to read what four different nations censored for him.

Now, if you and I can put on commercials in advertising and sell cars with 1 minute exposure over the radio or television, then a man whom I have for a 20 year captive audience is brainwashed so beyond recognition that he is a totally altered, different personality! The Albert Speer who came out of Spandau is an allied zombie!

Radio Host: So you’re saying the books he wrote about the atrocities are things that have been planted in his head by the Allies?

Ernst Zundel: After 20 years of confinement under sole allied tutelage, where only allied approved psychologists took his head apart and his brain apart, they only supplied him with the books that they allowed him to. Every newspaper is cut out meticulously as to articles which you’re not supposed to read, I ask you in all honesty, can that man be balanced?

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Radio Host: May not be balanced. I don’t think he was balanced to do what he did in the first place.

Ernst Zundel: What did he do in the first place? He was our ministry of war production. You see, Mr. Reynolds, that’s my point. How can a grown up man like yourself, a Member of Parliament, say that he shouldn’t have done what he did in the first place? Nations in war, always find men who run the war machine for them. Canadians did. Americans did. Churchill did. Why should we not have very capable ministers of war? He was a very capable technocrat.

Radio Host: He also knew the atrocities that were being committed.

Ernst Zundel: He says he didn’t. He said he should have thought about it. But you see, the point is, if he says he didn’t, then I put it to you, if a guy in that kind of elevated office doesn’t know about it, maybe it is because they didn’t exist.

Radio Host: Oh, you heard the previous caller say he was a German from Poland and they did exist.

Ernst Zundel: Well, a 15 year old kid who was too cowardly to protect somebody from being shot, then to take his word, believe me, he doesn’t stand up against hard evidence.

31 Caller Claims Innocent Children Put in Gas Chambers

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Caller (male): Hello?

Radio Host: Yes, go ahead.

Caller (male): Yes, I would like to know what business this German fellow has to criticize Canada and United States. I mean, listen. They have killed babies in pregnant women and send them the gas chamber. He’s lying! He’s a nobody! He was a little child at the time the war was on. What he know about it? How many innocent children was put in the gas chamber? And I lost myself 40 people for my family! He has a face, he has a nerve to come on the radio and talk lies like this. And people have to listen this. Not ashamed! You let him go on the radio station. You should send him to Germany. He wouldn’t talk like this in Germany. He don’t know nothing about the whole history!

There was not killed Japanese children. There was not food to give them. They let the people work till he died. Until he got killed in heavy stones. And he telling stories for the people. They wasn’t killing the jews and they don’t killing. They want to kill the whole world! There was the whole song made up from the Germans. Germany is small, the whole world is ours! What do you think men like this you let go on the radio. This is a shame! I can’t understand how can a person talk on the radio to the public like that? There’s nobody to give him the answer on it. How everything he is saying is lying. What mixing up Japanese and other nations in this program? They talk about Germany. Did Germany know that there was only 6 million jews only killed?

Ernst Zundel: I’m afraid you have had the, …

Radio Host: He’s allowed to say is a free country, whether we want to believe or not. 685918 was the number. We’ll be right back after the event.

32 Zundel’s Commentary on the Jewish Caller and Their Emotionalism and Lies

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Ernst Zundel: Well, finally here we had it. I was waiting for that call for the very first part of the program. Usually, in the olden days, or certainly in Eastern Canada and in the Eastern United States where there is a far greater concentration of jewish people, we get this type of call by the dozens! Monopolizing the airwaves with their emotionalism. Trying to once again cry, moan, whine about all the things that have been done to them, offering no evidence. But for the gullible public, they certainly talk a good persecution and a good crime.

Now, is it interesting that the moderator did not allow me to get back at that man and to nail him. He just cut him off. And then, of course, went conveniently to some commercial announcements which gave me no chance to respond to this man’s accusations.

However, for the European listeners, this can serve as the typical call. This is why it is so very important that this issue of anti-German propaganda and of this monstrous, horrific lie about Germans killing 6 million jews must be exposed wherever we can! This is the pivotal question! Once this lie has been exposed as a propaganda lie, the world will change upside down, inside out! And our people who have been hated and maligned will become the angels of the world!

And this is what those who peddle the lie are afraid of they have gambled wildly and recklessly that they can can control all the channels of communications for all time. If it is possible for us to break through that curtain the way I have broken through with this interview, for instance, on this Canadian radio station, which was the largest radio station on the east coast in Canada, large enough so that they have two private helicopters looking after traffic reports, their own reporters, roving reporters, large enough that they not shy the expense of paying for a long distance call from Vancouver to Toronto over a distance of 5,000 miles for an hour and a half.

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33 The Need for All Those Who Believe in the Rightness of the Cause to Help Spread the Message

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Now, when we can break through day in, day out, year after year, through this media curtain with our facts, our figures, our proof, then a new age will be dawning. This is why it is so absolutely crucial that the people who believe in the same things that I believe in, who are unable because of age, lack of faith in themselves or talent in the media, maybe because they speak English with even more of an accent than I do, that they help us in financing my work. Because the proof certainly is given in this interview again that we can make breakthroughs and we can reach the public. And you can see there were all kinds of people out there who are willing to agree with us and who are willing to listen to us.

We have all kinds of allies. But right now they are isolated and we are isolated. We cannot reach them for lack of funds. If we had the money, we could buy radio time on every radio station, we could buy TV time on every TV station. Within a very few short years, we could change the German image in the world, the image of National Socialism, which, after all, was an attempt by White Europe to save itself at the end of a cultural cycle and to start and Make a glorious new beginning.

If people would only realize the importance of this, we could change the world together. I cannot do it alone. Obviously, some of the members of the jewish community made their usual quick phone calls to rustle up support and to get their fellow racial comrades to get under the airwaves and to give this German, of all people, a piece of their mind and to give them a hard time. Because it is so seldom that Germans speak out in public, and especially even more seldom that they speak out on the airwaves as frankly and as freely as I did in this particular interview. The reaction was equal. Just as we heard by the previous caller every old propaganda lie rehashed, even the canard of “Deutschland ueber alles” or the “tomorrow the world” business. So often has this story been told in Heideggerd UN Deutschland Und Morgen die ganze Welt, that I’m so sick and tired of trying to even explain it. If all the songs that every army in the world had ever sung was broadcast, I think that there would be some pretty red faces and embarrassed politicians.

34 Jews and Their Claims of Having Lost Untold Family Members!

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And the fact that he lost 40 members of his family, well, gee, it is incredible! Everyone that I meet of these people lost 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 80 members of their family. Some 200 members of their family! Hell, I can’t even remember 20 members of my family. But these people, they can remember 200! And they all lost them. And yet they’re all here!

35 Anti-Semitism as a Natural Self-Defence Reaction

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The next caller is a female, and she also brings out the old war horse of jewish propaganda, namely that the German people had to suffer and have to suffer because of the world retaliating against us. Nobody ever bothers to reflect or give meditation or to think about why the Germans turned against the jews in the first place! Ours was a reaction of self defense. This is why the word anti-semitism or anti-Judaism was coined and created. It is inherent in the very word itself that ours was a natural reaction of a body politic, of a nation, of a state, of a culture, of a race, if you want, against intruders. If we had been for the jews, it would mean pro-semitism. But because of the way these people behaved, it was anti-semitism. If they had behaved beautifully, it could have been becoming philo-semitism. Or if they hadn’t been there would have been no anti, no pro, no nothing. You see, nobody bothers to think about those things.

36 As a War Measure, the Concentration Camps Can Be Justified

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And it is once again important that we make this point again and again to the people of the world, that our reaction was natural, that as a war measure, the concentration camps can be justified. However ugly they are and however little we like them. Nobody likes to be deprived of their freedom. Neither do I. But the fact is we do not have to be forever bow our heads in shame because there were concentration camps and there were people in concentration camps. Because just about every country involved in World War II had people rotting in jail, forgot about their so-called human rights and civil rights. Imprisoned men, women and children. And in many countries, notably the glorious Democratic ally Joseph Stalin killed people by the millions and nobody cared and nobody squawked! So we should forget about defending ourselves but to take the initiative.

Back to the program.

37 Female Caller Supporting the Holocaust Movie

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Radio Host: Hello, Good morning.

Caller (female): Yes, I would like to say a few words to your guest too. He seem to be awfully upset about a story that we saw on Holocaust. That story should have been told long time ago. You shouldn’t be upset because that’s a crime that was done and it should be told. Same like all other wars when they’re on TV, nobody’s upset.

But now when that story is told, he seems to be awfully upset because it’s something to be upset about. Because seeing something like that really is unbelievable!

Ernst Zundel: Madam. Has the mass murder of the civilian German population ever been shown in an eight hour television special all over North American television? Have the rapes of the 100,000 women in Berlin by the Soviets and Mongolian troops, ever been featured played? Have the rapes of the Viennese? Have the murders, the tortures in allied concentration camps after the war, have they ever been shown? No!

Caller (female): They might not be. But after the things that they did, they might be understandable why the people wanted to retaliate because of that you should understand that that story should be told a long time ago to remind us all the time what was going on.

Ernst Zundel: I’ve been in Canada for 20 years and I’ve heard nothing but this story from one side. Until finally after 20 years, …

Caller (female): [word unclear] not have got enough guts to [word unclear]

Ernst Zundel: You know something lady? I have enough guts, … Grant me enough guts from my side to speak up for our side.

Look. Grant me the guts from my side to speak up to our side. There is no not only your side. There’s always two sides to a story.

Caller (female): There is many nation sides and they all agree. Except you!

Ernst Zundel: They don’t all agree, my dear. They don’t all agree, my dear.

Caller (female): They do!

Ernst Zundel: In Tokyo during the war crimes trial., …

Caller (female): They do agree on this story, except you!

Ernst Zundel: Because you, my dear woman, there are thousands of books, there are thousands of books written in the world about the jewish lies about Holocaust, the blackmail that it is, and so on. It has nothing to do with fact at all! It is a money making racket employed internationally. Just the fact that a thousand guys tell a lie does make the original lie, not the truth! It is a lie!

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38 Male Caller Somewhat Supportive of Zundel’s Position

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Radio Host: Thanks for your call. Go ahead.

Caller (male): Hello. Good morning, John. First of all, let me put the record straight. This Holocaust business, this is a drama which has backfired completely. It has been produced by the jews themselves. Secondly, we are they always talking about the 6 million jews, but they never mention that there are 22 million during the Second World War who are gentile, Canadian, British, Russians, Germans as well, they have been killed as well.

Thirdly, those 6 million jews they have been smuggled into the United States. And quite a bit of them, they went into Palestine itself. To legitimize their claim in Israel.

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

Radio Host: All these facts they have not been told to the people!

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

Radio Host: [word unclear] can look for one side and neglect the other.

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

Radio Host: And two wrongs do not make right!

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

Radio Host: Exactly what has been practiced by the Germans on the jews and the victims of the jews by the Germans they are by Eichmann himself, who was a jew.

And finally the jews they have been compensated for all the damages. They got $35 billion out of West Germany for this so-called story of the 6 million jews. People better go to library and start to read and look to the two sides. I do not believe in killing, but two wrongs do not make right because exactly the jews are doing it in Palestine on the 3.5 million Arab Palestinians. And this is all that I have to say. John. Okay.

39 Israel Has Got Terror Squads Going out into the World Assassinating Diplomats, Etc.

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Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds. The week that Holocaust was being shown in the Western world, Israel invaded southern Lebanon.

Now, Israel has had three wars in the last generation. Germany has had none. Israel has got terror squads going out into the world assassinating diplomats and those whom they suspect of being terrorists. And there have been several mishaps reported where they got the wrong man.

In other words, we have hit squads roaming the planet, abducting people, kidnapping people, assassinating people, silencing people, burning people’s homes down like they did to this German in France, Jochen Pieper and so on.

Now there is an international gang of terrorists loose on the planet and they are camouflaging their international power by stuff like that. And we don’t like it. And the world should be grateful for a guy like John Reynolds and for a guy like Christoph Friedrich Zundel to get on the telephone and to alert them to the fact of what is happening! We are a planet in the grip of a gang of terrorists who are using this emotional propaganda to camouflage not their bygone deeds, nobody’s ever talked about them, but their current deeds!

Radio Host: Don’t thank me, Christopher. I’ve only got you on because you’re, …

Ernst Zundel: Controversial!

Radio Host: Controversial.

And I think people should know that you’re around because I think you’re, …

Ernst Zundel: What?

[Call cut out]

40 Male Caller Denies Gas Chambers and Disputes the Number of Jews Who Died

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Radio Host: Hello? Hello, you’re there, Go ahead, go ahead Conor, go ahead.

Caller (female): The war was over. Hello?

Radio Host: Yes, go ahead again.

Caller (female): When the war was over I was 15 years old. When I’ve been around in Eastern Europe and then in Western Europe. When I hear this story it’s been told over the Holocaust, you know all the murdering goes on. It’s unbelievable what kind of lies! Because I’ve been down after war and around Bavaria with how concentration camp used to be. There was nothing! There was no gas chamber whatsoever! The gas chamber been built 1948!

Ernst Zundel: A Hollywood movie.

Caller (female): American supervision.

Ernst Zundel: A Hollywood movie.

Caller (female): In a little chamber, supposed to burn 6 million jews. Like in Canada, anybody who you listen to in the radio television he’s always:

“I was lucky I survived!”

How could he survive in Europe, in only 3 million jews? When you go back to Russia now and count the population the jewish in Poland how many immigrants to South America, to Palestine, the United States, Canada, you know how many are left who got killed? One million, two hundred thousand. That’s proven from the Swiss Red Cross. But that story they never told, people died of starvation. It was from 1944-45 because there was no transportation, no food! The food rationing was anyway. I mean there was no way to get the food to the people.

Ernst Zundel: In other words, …

Caller (female): Other people died. I saw him laying on the road as we marched from Poland to [word unclear] in front of the Russians, you know. And I thought he been shot down, you know from bombs and everything. But after the war when we stayed in Bavaria, so after you went to north German plain there, when his story’s been told [words unclear] brainwashed. The older people over there, they’re dying out. They forget, you know. It’s unbelievable, …

Radio Host: Anything that happened at the Nuremberg trials was true?

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41 Zundel Talks About the Nuremberg Trials and the Dissenting Opinion of an Indian Judge

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Ernst Zundel: Let me tell you about the Nuremberg trials.

Radio Host: I haven’t read them all but I’ve looked, …

Caller (female): Yeah, that’s the trouble, you know you only read the one side of it, you know.

Radio Host: Hey, thanks for your call.

Ernst Zundel: Mr Reynolds.

Radio Host: Go ahead.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds I have in front of me a book put out by the British trial lawyer who defends Field Marshal Manstein in a war crimes trial in Germany after the war. And he quotes in there an Indian judge. He refers to him as “the great Indian judge Rahabino de Pal”, who wrote the dissenting judgment which he delivered as one of the judges of the International Court at Tokyo. Now he would have never been chosen number one as a judge had he been pro-German. He was completely neutral, an Indian judge, one of India’s great judges. Here is what the judge said as a dissenting opinion in Tokyo. And the same holds true for Germany:

“The so-called trial held according to the definition of crime now given by the victors obliterates the centuries of civilization which stretch between us and the summary slaying of a defeated in war. A trial with law thus prescribed would only be a sham employment of the legal process for the satisfaction of the thirst for revenge. It does not correspond to any idea of justice and may justly create the feeling that it is much more a political than a legal affair. To say that the Victor can define a crime at his will and then punish would be to revert back to those days when he was allowed to devastate an occupied country, appropriate all public and private property therein and kill the inhabitants or take them away into captivity.”

Mr. Reynolds, I will tell you that the United States, that the Soviet Union, that England, Canada, Belgium and France behave in exactly this manner!

In other words, the Indian judge calls them barbarians!

Radio Host: Okay, 685-9181. We’ll be right back after these messages.

42 Zundel’s Commentary on the Radio Host’s Willingness to Let Him Speak Freely

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Ernst Zundel: Well, I have to admit to our listeners that in all the TV shows and in all the public debates and so on that I’ve ever made in North America, this one is turning out to be something else. This moderator is allowing me to say things unopposed. I can’t believe it! This has really in all honesty never happened to me before, that I would have been able to so openly state the German case and also to so openly and continuously attack the Allies. There is very little opposition from the callers that come in. We have had an Arab for the first time, an Arab coming to our defense. The reason why I am stressing the Arab is that I used to fight for the Arabic and Palestine Palestinian cause versus the Israelis with great vehemence and never received any support at all Over The Airwaves. And I was completely disgusted by it.

However, that was in Montreal. It does seem that the population composition of Vancouver is different and that this is why we can say more and be on the air.

43 Female Caller on the Amount of Hate Mongering That is Going On.

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Radio Host: Yes caller.

Caller (male): I really, I can’t understand this program this morning. It just seems to be made up of hate!

But what I want to say is that can you tell me any country in the world that has not done, you know, terrible things to other nations, like even right today, right in Ireland, look what’s going on. And because a madman, Hitler, and he was proven mad! I mean, because he did these things, why blame the German people? The German are well educated. They’re one of the smartest people in the world. And not saying there’s lots of other smart people, but just because one madman did it, why is it all this hate perpetuated?

Radio Host: Because of Mr. Friedrich, I think, and what he’s doing.

Caller (male): Jewish people, too, seem to have a heck of a lot of resentment.

44 Zundel’s Run for the Post of Leader of the Liberal Party in 1968

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Ernst Zundel: You see, it’s interesting, Mr. Reynolds, that I am supposed to be the hate monger. You can say about German people the most foul lies and the most horrible things. And you can say it over Canadian radio, over Canadian television. You can say it in Canadian newspapers and you can say it in our Canadian university textbooks. Mr. Reynolds, I went through your school system here and through your university system. I ran for the post of leader of the Liberal Party in 1968. I know what Canadians think, and I know what they do you know! You are the people, in effect, who have love on your lap and hate in your heart when it comes to Germans! It’s as simple as that!

Radio Host: How much did you get when you ran against Trudeau for the Liberal leadership?

Ernst Zundel: Pardon me?

Radio Host: How many votes did you get?

Ernst Zundel: I purposely dropped out five minutes before the balloting.

Radio Host: Why?

Ernst Zundel: Because I wanted to make the statement that a man with his own money, totally independent, could run and arrive in Ottawa and make it to the same podium, speak to the Canadian people. And I spoke to them strictly about anti-German hate propaganda. Nothing more, nothing less! I’m not a megalomaniac. I know exactly the limits of my personality. But I use that as a platform to say:

“Canadians, look in the mirror, stop hating us, number one, we don’t deserve it, number one. Number two, it doesn’t make you look any better for kicking around on us!”

You know, it’s okay to kick around a defeated enemy, but after 30 years, it reflects on the guy that does the kicking.

Radio Host: Why didn’t you continue and see how many votes you’d get?

[1:18:47]

Ernst Zundel: I had no misconception that Trudeau was going to win the election because I understand my fellow Canadians. You know, they were swept up by Trudeau mania. The media manufactured it.

And since I didn’t have the media behind me, thanks to my infiltrated cronies in the press, I certainly had no chance, just as little as Robert Winders or Paul Helio or anybody else. But if I had made it.

Radio Host: Thank you very much for being with us this morning. I don’t wish you any success because I think what you do, …

Ernst Zundel: Really, Mr. Reynolds, if I had made it, the country would be in much better shape, believe me.

Radio Host: Okay, well, that’s how you feel, I guess you’ve got the right in this country to do what you want to do.

Ernst Zundel: The results are obvious. Thank you.

Radio Host: Thank you very much.

45 Zundel’s Commentary on the Whole Program and Practical Advice to Callers

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Ernst Zundel: Little remarkable remains to be said about this interview. On the whole, it is one of the most remarkable ones that I have done because of the length and because of the truth that I was able to say. Believe me, in 90% of the cases I couldn’t have been on that radio station for five minutes, and I would have been cut off.

But it seems that either the mood of the population is changing, or that the mood of the men in the media is changing, or that this man in particular doesn’t like what is happening and is using me as a mouthpiece. I do not know. I don’t understand it.

But as they say in English, why should I look a gift horse in the mouth? The program cost me nothing. The radio station paid for the telephone call. And my cause and my German people’s cause has been once again well defended and well served.

For those who are about to get into the media field, I think that this tape could serve as a good training tape, if I may say so, with all modesty, if you pardon the pun. But I have done so many of these radio shows that I’m beginning to consider myself somewhat of an expert.

Look at some of the callers that call in. They are amateurs and you can tell that they are amateurs. They are wandering all over the landscape. And again and again the moderator has to remind them:

“Make your point. Make your point! What’s your point? Come to your point!”

In other words, if you’re going to call in a program like that, write down what you want to say point for point, Rehearse it a little, say it out loud. Nobody’s around anyways. Most people are at work. And then state your case clearly, succinctly and carefully.

I learned my lessons and worked hard in polishing my media stance. I just wish I could have more opportunities like this one to make use of my 10 years of training, my 20 years of training, actually. And naturally, more than anything else, I wish I could do it back home in Germany.

However, there must be people who have to do it over here in North America. And as long as we are here, working here, living here, it is our duty to speak out and to stand up for what is right and for what is true. Naturally, I appeal, since this is in English, to all our many English speaking friends across this land, the United States and around the world.

This problem is not a German problem. It is your problem. It is our problem. It is a world problem. The German people didn’t create it, you helped create it. If you are too young, your father or your grandfather helped to create it. Now it’s your responsibility and my responsibility, our responsibility to change it. Because we live in this world together. It is up to you and I to pass on to our children and to future generations a better world, a healthier world, an honest world, a clean world and an unpolluted world. Not only unpolluted, that we have clear streams, clear oceans, clean air, but also clean brains! And thoroughly cleaned souls! Because we without those two, the other will, number one, not matter, and number two cannot be achieved.

Therefore, it is almost ironic that this problem of undetermined propaganda, of hate programs against Germans drag down those who do the hating and inhibit them in growing, because hate makes blind. And throughout this program you will have noticed that I speak very firmly and very quickly and very much to the point, but never with hate.

When in my early years and younger years I was so full of pain as to why and what had happened to Germany, and when I first discovered the horrendousness of this lie, I used to get so distraught that I suppose I hated, and I lost every radio program.

As a consequence I would say to check one’s emotions, to make sure one is relaxed, not tired, not agitated, and to try very hard to keep one’s emotions under control because the public airwaves are no medium for sounding like some raving lunatic. Speak by all means with feeling, but never with hate. Otherwise you will lose your audience, you will not be understood, and many people won’t be able to follow you. Therefore, try to state your case without hesitation, without humming and hawing, and rather be short and to the point than try to be long winded. And always keep in mind to whom you are speaking. If you are speaking to Canadians, address them on Canadian topics such as Canadian concentration camps, Canadian war crimes and Canadian skeletons in their closets. Don’t roam around the world about the 1918 revolution and this control and that stuff. Nobody’s interested.

[1:27:06]

Another thing to remember, stay away from figures. Nothing is more deadly and more boring than to discuss statistics and figures on radio. The counting of dead bodies is stupid and lurid and sad enough on paper, but it has absolutely no place on radio and not on television. I have seen how people have lost audiences left, right, front and center because they try to impress them with their knowledge of figures. Believe me, you can use it as a tactic to throw your opponent, of course, but don’t ever think you can score points. It’s a waste of time and it’s a waste of airtime. Stick to simple things that people can relate to, like stealing somebody’s property, beating, raping, mugging, torture, prison, stuff like that. Now that they can see every now night on television, they can relate to that. And if you relate that to them in our case, your point will be well made. Otherwise you’re going to get bogged down in 6 million and 9 million, minus 472,000 and so on. So many jews in Poland and all this, it is useless! Nobody cares. Nobody cares!

People basically think what the Germans did was monstrous because all they can relate to is that they might know a jew who is nice, or a jewish woman or jewish kid whom they like. And of course we murdered in effect the people whom they liked. So what we have to say is exactly what I said in this program. It is not our fault. We didn’t start this whole mess, somebody else did. It could have been solved differently if people had been willing.

Now, we don’t want to shoulder all the blame.

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Ernst Zundel – 1967-68 Radio Shows in Montreal Discussing Israel and Jewish Topics 2 – Transcript

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Ernst Zundel

1967-68 Radio Shows in Montreal

Discussing Israel and Jewish Topics 2

Mon, Jul 15, 1968

[The transcript is part of a 1967-68 radio show in Montreal featuring Ernst Zundel discussing Israel and Jewish topics.

At the start, a caller accuses the host of allowing “poison to be spread” by permitting anti-semitic views on air

The host defends himself, saying he tries to be fair by allowing different perspectives

A caller named Mr. Lippman joins and argues against zionism, saying jews fought against it in Europe before WWII

Mr. Lippman claims German reparations to jews came from American taxpayers, not Germany

He accuses Eisenhower of whitewashing Nazi crimes by saying “let bygones be bygones”

The host cuts to news, saying they’re late

(To be cont’d)

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Caller 1: The present day European jews came up through Spain. They came through North Africa, through Spain, from Italy and from the Middle East, and they went through Germany and they went to Poland. That’s the route that they followed. The jews are now in Israel.

Ernst Zundel: Hundreds of thousands come from under the stars in the Pale of Settlement. Can you tell me that.

Caller 1: They came from Poland?

Ernst Zundel: Oh, they came from Poland. They came from Poland and from Germany.

Ernst Zundel: I’ve heard of big migration from Khazars into Poland and into Germany under Frederick the Great, to be exact.

Caller 1: No, no, no! You’re speaking of the Oriental jews who came up from the Caucasus Mountain. The mountain jews who came from Babylonia and some Assyria.

Host: Ah, well, when it comes to this area, …

Caller 1: Let’s forget about it.

Ernst Zundel: No, in a sense, why would you want to discuss it? Because it’s going to., …

Caller 1: What’s that got to do with the jews who are now in Israel?

Ernst Zundel: Because then 80% of those jews living in Israel, according to the Arabs and according to this interpretation of it, are not Semites. Therefore they have no historic attachment to the Wailing Wall.

Caller 1: Good. Good heavens. You know what you sound like? Yesterday I read a book about a guy who said that the South American-Indians were the lost 10 tribes. They wandered across from Mesopotamia to India and to China. It crossed that Alaska and then down. The Incas and the Aztecs were descended from the 10 lost tribes.

Ernst Zundel: You are referring to the Book of Mormons, I suppose.

Caller 1: Oh, good heavens!

Ernst Zundel: I’m not saying it, man! It’s the Jewish Encyclopedia that is.

Caller 1: I don’t believe you! I don’t believe you!

Host: Well, in terms of history, according to Jewish Encyclopedia, we have a caller who is well versed in jewish history and we’ll go to him in just a second. Okay, just one second now. I think this is the line. Is that you, Mr L?

Caller 2: Yes, yes.

Host: Okay. You’ve been listening. Have you been listening?

Caller 2: Hello.

Host: Have you been listening for the last few minutes, Mr. Lipman?

Caller 2: Yes, hello?

Host: Hello.

Caller 2: Mr. Lipman. Yes, speaking. Hello?

Host: Yes, just one second now.

Caller 2: Speaking, please.

Host: Okay, there, you’re on the line now. Pardon?

Caller 2: Yeah, I’m the caller, Mr. Lipman. I want to speak to the Nazi and I want to speak to the jew there.

Host: Well, the jew hung up and the Nazi, as you call him, [chuckling] is on the line.

Caller 2: Did you laugh at the Nazi there?

Host: Yeah, go ahead, Mr. L.

Ernst Zundel: I beg your pardon.

Host: Go ahead. You’re on the air now.

Caller 2: Is the jewish man there, too?

Host: No, he hung up.

Caller 2: Well, if he hung up. Hello?

Host: Yes.

Caller 2: Wouldn’t be surprised if you’re listening while I’m talking.

Ernst Zundel: Yes, the jewish man is here. Go on.

Caller 2: Hello?

Host: Hello? Go ahead, sir.

Caller 1: First of all, I would like to bag the jewish fellow to take my telephone number and call me personally. I want to speak to him personally after I’ll finish. My number is [bebbed out] Sometimes you can still have my telephone number. I’m not hiding anything.

And I’m not hiding anything. And I can debate with you what I want to know, Mr. Caller Number One. Hello?

Ernst Zundel: Yes?

Caller 2: Caller Number One, is that you?

Ernst Zundel: Well, are you referring to the, …

Caller 2: Are you caller Number One?

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

Caller 2: Tell me, what capacity do you speak of the name of the Arab? Are you in capacity of making a peace between the jews? And are you official representative that you talk with such authority, or you just an ordinary journalist which writes in the yellow tabloid of [word unclear] Gable? Answer me the question, sir.

Ernst Zundel: First polite question.

Caller 2: I like concrete, man! I don’t like to talk nonsense! In what capacity do you speak to make peace between jews and Arabs?

Host: All right, he’s going to answer the question. Mr. L.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. M. Would you be polite?

Caller 2: Yeah, I will. Yes.

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

First of all, I’m not writing for Julius Streicher.

Caller 1: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: I’m not writing for Julius Streicher. And the other gentlemen because their papers have gone out of business.

Caller 1: Yeah, but there’s plenty of Streichers at the moment. Plenty of Streichers roaming around in the streets of Montreal and in New York and in South America.

Host: Well, sir, let me. Just for the benefit of listeners, your response can be interpreted two ways. You’re not writing for them because they no longer exist. Does that mean if they did exist, you would write for them?

Ernst Zundel: No, but I was just trying to find out how, …

Caller 2: Listen, give me an answer, man! I want you to give me an answer. Caller number one.

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I, …

Caller 2: In what capacity do you speak to make peace between the jews and the Arabs?

Ernst Zundel: Well, all night stated in a, …

Caller 2: Yeah, go ahead. I didn’t hear.

Ernst Zundel: Well, then you have, …

Caller 2: Repeat yourself.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Lipman, are you there?

Caller 1: I’ll beg your pardon.

Ernst Zundel: Okay. Would you hang on for just a second, …

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Caller 2: Yeah, wait a minute. I’ll close the radio. I’ll be able to hear.

Ernst Zundel: Okay, very good.

Caller 2: Go ahead.

Ernst Zundel: Radio done?

Caller 2: Yes, go ahead.

Ernst Zundel: Now, Mr Lipman, if you have been listening and you have been hearing not what you wanted to hear, but what I said.

Caller 2: Yes, what did you say?

Ernst Zundel: I said repeatedly tonight that I spoke as an individual.

Caller 2: Wait a minute. Yeah, but you speak like you’re sitting at a conference table with the jews.

Ernst Zundel: No.

Caller 2: And trying to make peace between the Arabs and jews!

Ernst Zundel: Oh, I say it as a suggestion. It’s a free country we are in.

Caller 2: Well, no, no, no, no, wait a minute. There’s a different. There’s a dialogue, man! We can criticize the jews. We can criticize anybody.

Ernst Zundel: Sometimes I wonder.

Caller 1: Yeah, we can criticize the jews. They are right sometimes. Don’t give me that stuff, mister. You know well that we can criticize the jews.

Ernst Zundel: Anybody that listens to the headline tonight must wonder the, …

Caller 2: The [word unclear] doesn’t wonder. The only thing is I can’t understand Mr. Bell. I told him one time how does he allow such poison to be spread when there Streichers and so many Meyers and so many. What you call them? You call yourself Meyer. Your father was Meyer, you said. And so many [word unclear] walking around in the streets of Montreal.

Host: All right, now if you’ll let me say something for just a moment.

Now, there are callers who are barred from the line because in my opinion, they are guilty of what you suggested Mr. L.

Caller 2: Yes.

Host: In my opinion, this gentleman is not guilty of what you suggest and it escapes me how you can accuse him of this.

Now, as I have said before.

Caller 2: Yes.

Host: I take issue with some of his figures. Another gentleman called up with other figures. We have a few more lines loaded. People with other figures.

Caller 2: From the jewish Congress they called.

Host: How’s that?

Caller 2: From the Congress. Jewish Congress they called.

Host: Yeah, well, I have somebody on another line with more figures. In other words, over a figure dispute whether the man, … And a few statements that he has made. He could be historically inaccurate.

Now, when quoting from the Jewish Encyclopedia. I don’t know. I’ve never read the thing.

Caller 2: Yes, Mr. Bell.

Host: Yeah.

Caller 2: Not only inaccurate, he’s full of lies. And I can prove it to him!

Ernst Zundel: Okay, wonderful! Why don’t you prove it?

Caller 2: I’ll prove it to you right away.

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

Caller 2: Listen. No, wait. I proved it to you! Give me a chance to prove it to you. I’ll prove it to you. I’ll prove it to you, man! I’ll prove it to you. I’ll prove it to you!

Ernst Zundel: I believe you.

Caller 2: Listen, listen! Will you listen?

Ernst Zundel: No, one hundred percent.

Caller 2: Will you listen?

Ernst Zundel: In other words, that we are going to be positive and not negative, that we don’t engage in name calling.

Caller 2: No, I wouldn’t call it a name calling, but just listen to.

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

Caller 2: I want to expose you that you are working for the Nazis! And you’re an agent of the Nazis. Okay.

Ernst Zundel: Okay. How much is my pay?

Caller 2: Do you know? I don’t know.

Ernst Zundel: And where is the headquarters by the way?

Caller 2: The headquarters in Nazis are still in Bonn. And it’s still in Cairo.

Ernst Zundel: So in other words, …

Caller 2: It’s still in Cairo!

Ernst Zundel: Is the Nazi headquarters in the, …

Caller 2: Is still in Bonn and Cairo. Will you listen? Will you listen? I want to refute your argument. Okay. I want to refute your argument.

Ernst Zundel: You’re wonderful!

Caller 2: I want to refute your argument. Oh, will you listen?

Ernst Zundel: Oh, yeah.

Caller 2: Well, listen. You made a statement that Germany restituted the jews so much. And you give figures, right?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I did.

Caller 2: You did fine. Do you know that whatever they give 800 some million dollars it’s restitution, right or not?

Ernst Zundel: No.

Caller 1:800 million. I don’t argue. You had a figure. $826 million. They give a restitution to the jews. You said so.

Ernst Zundel: No, I didn’t.

Host: I’m the one who said that.

Caller 2: Hey, beg your pardon.

Host: I’m the one who said that.

Caller 2: Where did you get the figure?

Host: I got the figure from the Almanac.

Caller 2: Okay, fine, let’s be. So I’ll take this figure too. $826 million was given restitution by the German to the jews.

First of all, if you know history, and history is very young, that when Grynszpan* made an attack on the German ambassador in Switzerland or in Sweden, I don’t remember exactly between these two places.

[Image: Police photos of Grynszpan]

[* Herschel Feibel Grynszpan was a Polish-Jewish expatriate born and raised in Weimar Germany who shot and killed the German diplomat Ernst vom Rath on 7 November 1938 in Paris. The NS’s alledgedly used this assassination as a pretext to launch Kristallnacht, “The Night of Broken Glass”, the pogrom of 9–10 November 1938. Grynszpan was seized by the Gestapo after the fall of France and brought to Germany; his further fate remains unknown. Wikipedia]

Ernst Zundel: I thought it was in France.

Caller 2: Wait a minute, wait a minute. Give me a chance to explain myself. So Hitler right away confiscated all the jewish wealth which amount to $4 billion. Before even he started to persecute the jews outside of Germany amounted to $4 billion.

Ernst Zundel: Not true.

Caller 2: It’s true! It’s in the paper. The start of civil life. I started the life here in Montreal. I’ll prove it to you. Number one.

Second thing. The money that Germany gave to the jews, it’s not her money. It’s American money from American taxpayers. Because Mr. Eisenhower and the rest of his gang wanted to whitewash the dirty deeds of the former Nazi. And he said “let bygones be bygones”. And he contributed $4 billion to build up again the Bonn government.

So it’s not their money, it’s American taxpayer pay the money. Is it right?

Ernst Zundel: Mr Lipman.

Caller 2: Wait a minute, I’m not finished yet. You got to listen. I listen to you. Because I listen to your story, which is full of lies. And I’m surprised that the jew that is a well capable man and that he converse with you. Because listen, I said to Mr. Bell, There is four brothers, four characters. Evil man, evil man, right or wrong. You still tell you that you’re wrong. So why they debate with you? You’re not an official capacity. You’re not an official capacity from the Arabs or from the Germans. What right have you got to speak in the name of the Arabs or the Germans or anybody else?

[10:12]

Ernst Zundel: That’s why you don’t like to talk to me. I’m just a goy.

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: You don’t like the other chap to even converse with this fantastic goy.

Caller 2: What goy? Anyway, go on. This language is French to me.

Ernst Zundel: You don’t speak Yiddish?

Caller 2: I speak Yiddish, yes. Goy is Hebrew. Goy means if you know Hebrew, goy means a nation, it’s not an individual. And he don’t even know the interpretation of goy. You don’t even know the interpretation of goyim.

Hello, Wait a minute. Listen, big shot. Goyim is plural, means nation. Goy means one race.

Ernst Zundel: And who is referred to usually as goyim?

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: Who is usually referred to as goyim?

Caller 2: They referred goyim. Because these people that say goy, they are ignorant. They don’t know what they’re talking about. Because goy means a race, one, a nation, I mean. And goyim is plural. So they don’t know. You just inquire if I’m in the wrong, I’ll give anything. You see?

Ernst Zundel: Right. Go on.

Caller 2: And number one, and we don’t use such language as “dirty jews” or any or anything else. When we. In our scriptures, if you want to know it’s written, when we go to the synagogue, we say:

“My Lord, forgive us all our sins. And also to those who live among us. Strangers that live among us.”

In other words, we pray for the non-jews too.

And as far as persecution is concerned, no jew persecuted yet a non-jew. It’s in history. And we were persecuted for 2,000 years.

And let me tell you one thing. I said sometimes I speak French. It’s [words unclear] English. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Give me a chance.

Ernst Zundel: I think the Old testament.

Caller 2: No, no, no! I want to prove my point that the worst jew, the worst jew, which is called Judas Ishkariot, had a conscience. And when betrayed Jesus Christ, he gave him the kiss of death. His conscious part of him. And he hanged himself. And I never seen non-jew that is conscious of him by attacking a jew, he shall hang himself. I never seen yet.

I said this to French people many times. But I’m French. I live with French more than the jews. If I speak French just as fluent as Yiddish.

Ernst Zundel: Are we a bit far off the point, don’t you think?

Caller 2: Go ahead. No, no, This is a good point. Pardon me. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. I’ll listen to you. Then ask me question.

Ernst Zundel: No. You guys want to repeat all my arguments and call me and find out that I was a real liar and spreader of poison?

Caller 2: Yeah. I prove it to you and I mean it. If I said the word liar, it’s too mild. But I wouldn’t use any more of this word. I’ll debate with you like man to man. I’ll debate with you like man to man without any insults anymore.

Ernst Zundel: Would you say I’m maybe a super liar?

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: Maybe I’m a super liar.

Caller 2: Well, even this is mild.

Ernst Zundel: Oh, well, maybe we can find some other adjectives.

Caller 2: Yeah. Anyway. No, no, don’t worry. You’re a coward because when the man put you to the wall, cornered you last time, you ran away because you couldn’t take it.

Ernst Zundel: When was that?

Caller 2: That was two, three nights ago.

Ernst Zundel: Was the same man I spoke to?

Caller 2: The same man you spoke to? Yeah. He cornered you and you ran away and then you came back.

Ernst Zundel: The same man that I spoke to tonight for one hour that hung up on me!

Caller 2: No, no, no, no! You spoke tonight to the jewish family is well eloquent, but you’re still not acquainted well, with jewish history and world history.

Host: Right. That’s why I got you on the line, sir.

Now if we can dispense with personalities. You have accused the man of being a Nazi and of spreading poison. And you can’t for the life of you see why I permit it on the program. You will have to give me an example of a lie that amounts to spreading poison.

Caller 2: Yeah, I’ll give it to you.

Host: Good.

[13:48]

Caller 2: Of course, I’ll give it plenty. I got it in my [word unclear] my dear man, I got in my [word unclear].

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

Caller 2: And then here I give you the first example.

First of all, he said that the jews always lived with the Arabs. And first in harmony all the time, the Semite Arabs, I mean. And Palestine around there in the Middle East. The jews were always persecuted by the Arabs in Casablanca they had no right to walk on the sidewalk. Just like the negro had no right to walk in Alabama. Exactly the same thing for the last, 2,000 years! People in Casablanca lived in a ghetto and they couldn’t go out and they couldn’t show their faces, number one.

Ernst Zundel: But I didn’t say it’s the same.

Caller 2: No, no, no, no! You said once before. Not tonight. You said before the jews lived well with the Arabs. And I know history. You don’t know my history, but I know your history, my friend.

Ernst Zundel: I never said that.

Caller 2: Yeah, you said it last time. I’m not speaking tonight. And many Arabs made the statement that the jews never fought with the Arabs before. They lived in harmony, they understood each other, they were brotherly till the zionism came. I’m not a Zionist. I never will be a Zionist. I’m a jew.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Lipman, why not.

Caller 2: What?

Ernst Zundel: What are the points that you differ with zionism?

Caller 2: What are the points differ what?

Ernst Zundel: Can you give us points where you differ with zionism?

Caller 2: Speak louder. I can’t hear good.

Ernst Zundel: Mr Lipman.

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: Why would you not be a Zionist?

Caller 2: Why?

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

Caller 2: Because theoretically I don’t agree with them.

Ernst Zundel: Well, in other words, you wouldn’t say that the idea of zionism to found a jewish homeland in Palestine, …

Caller 2: Yes.

Ernst Zundel: Doesn’t please you?

Caller 2: Yeah. It doesn’t mean to say that I’m a Zionist, because if jews have to have a home. First, I’m a Canadian and first, the 6 million jews are Americans, they’re not Zionist. Not all of them are Zionists. If they’re Zionist, some of them is their business. But I’m not. I’m speaking myself.

Ernst Zundel: Yeah, but listen, I’m very interested.

Caller 2: Yes, yeah, I’ll do to you. I’ll give it to you.

Ernst Zundel: Very good.

Caller 2: Well, all right. If Mr. Bell permit a time, I’ll give it to you as much as you want.

Host: Well, you have seven minutes, sir.

Caller 2: Okay, then listen. I made a statement that if I’m not mistaken to Mr. Bell that we jews in Europe before the Hitler Holocaust, before the Nazis tried to spit their dirt in the world, we jews fought zionism with all our might in the street because we find it impractical! We said that we live in Europe 10,050 years. We have more right to demand our rights in Europe and live there than to the rights on Palestine. Right? Listen to this. Just a moment. I’ll give it to you. This story. We had a jewish organization which is called Bund.

Ernst Zundel: Oh yes, I know about this.

Caller 2: Yeah, you know everything. Hey, you’re a real Nazi! You know all the information!

Host: Sir, you asked him if he knew. He said yes, he knew!

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Host: I said you asked him if he was aware of a certain fact. He admitted to being aware of the fact.

[16:46]

Caller 2: Okay.

Anyway, I’m hearing the Nazi organization, the jewish bund, which is a socialistic organization, they didn’t believe that the sand of Palestine shall be recultivated. And they said we have no right to think of Palestine because it’s impractical. Because the jews are living at their roots are in Europe. They live 10,050 years. And we shall try to fight our best for the rights of the jews which they entitled to.

Host: Which agrees with what the caller number one read from the encyclopedia. So I would assume that the encyclopedia is basically Zionist in its thinking.

Caller 2: I beg your pardon? I didn’t hear that.

Host: Did you hear me caller number one?

Ernst Zundel: I did.

Host: Would you agree with that?

Caller 2: Did you repeat that? I didn’t hear all this conversation tonight.

Host: Well, what you just said is similar to what the caller number one read from a Jewish Encyclopedia.

Caller 2: What do you read?

Ernst Zundel: Well, you will listen.

Host: Well, what you said, sir, basically what you said is what he read from the encyclopedia. So I am suggesting that because the other gentleman questioned the encyclopedia, I am suggesting that conceivably it is a Zionist publication.

Ernst Zundel: I suppose so.

Host: Would you say that does sound reasonable to you, number one?

Ernst Zundel: Not really, no. I don’t think that the Jewish Encyclopedia that I’m referring to is a Zionist publication.

Host: Well, curiously, it’s, …

Ernst Zundel: Let’s say, it saying the same thing.

Host: I shouldn’t have said that. I should have said, as I phrased it the first time Zionist in its, …

Caller 2: Mr. Bell, let me explain, please. Mr. Bell.

Host: Yeah, okay, go ahead.

Caller 2: I know my history well and I can explain it. And even a man who is 100% against the jews, you cannot refute my argument because the truth speaks for itself. You can expose, you cannot expose the truth! You can expose a lie.

Host: Right? Well, again, that’s why I brought you on the line because you know, we have had a number of discussions based on jewish history. And you do know jewish history.

Caller 2: I’ve had many conversations with ardent jew baiters in Quebec City. And I spoke with a man two and a half hours and in his hotel, and there was pleasant 20 Frenchmen. And he spoke the same language as Hitler and I exposed out of him and the Frenchman, which is a wonderful people. The moment he sees the truth, he came over. And he slapped him in the back and he said to him, you lost your discussion because the jew had the best of you! You see.

Ernst Zundel: Listen.

Caller 2: Hello.

Ernst Zundel: I just would like to find out. You said before that the jews had lived in Europe for 10,050 years.

Caller 2: Yes.

[19:26]

Caller 2: Not 10,050 years. Thousand and fifty. Not 10,000.

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

Caller 2: If you know history, man!

Ernst Zundel: Well, I wonder if it is your, …

Caller 2: I wish you should know your history as I know! You don’t know your history. You just try to, …

Host: Well, I suggested that we not engage in personalities. We try to stick to the facts. So if you’ll proceed sir, …

Caller 2: I want to speak about the bund.

Host: Yeah, well the seven minutes you had is now three minutes.

Caller 2: Well, I don’t know. What can I do? Listen, you gave him so much time. You don’t give me time, Mr. Bell.

Host: I’m giving you time to make your case. But you are wasting all of your time by engaging in personalities.

Caller 2: You spend so much time to give him and you don’t give me time to explain to refute the argument.

Host: Well, you are one of many callers who are calling in to refute the argument. But you’re wasting your time with personality.

Caller 2: I’m not talking out of my people either. Like the rabbis, the rabbi. The rabbis, the religious rabbi were against Palestine too before it the holocaust of Hitler. Because they, from religious point of view, they believe that Messiah has to come. And they [word unclear] evil freedom. And the [word unclear] jew didn’t believe in that. He believed that we had to free ourselves with our own capability and with our own power.

And that’s why they fought those Zionists in the streets of Warsaw, in the streets of other places where jews live. That we shall fight for our rights in Europe. But here came Hitler and many Hitlers. He said after we lived in Europe 1,050 years, we are fifth class citizens and they try to destroy us. And we had to leave against our own will. So every jew, even a non-zionist like me, I’m a non-zionist. I came to convince that every jew, a jew is supposed to have a home. And where he lives, if he hasn’t got a home, his place is in Israel. And if he’s got a home in Canada, he has no business to think of Israel. Except, shall I say spiritually and financially he could help and morally. But as far as physically, it’s got nothing in common with Israel. You hear me?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I hear you.

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I hear you very loud and clear, sir.

Caller 2: You hear me?

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

[21:43]

Caller 2: Okay. So it shows you that a man like me that was against Zionist and yet many times debates in Europe against zionism and we.

And today I’m 100% backing Israel because every jew that knows after what we went through. Wait a minute. Besides that, I want., … This is not the point. I want the proof, facts, never mind statistics. You, I want to [words unclear] from the subject. The compensation that the Germans give these murderers that murdered 6 million jews. I don’t mean the German people, the German rulers. I don’t accuse the German people. I accuse the German ruler.s These German rulers and that killed the people. They paid their [word unclear]. They took away 10 times, 10 times 100 times as much as they give. And what they give, they give you one cent of their own. That was American taxpayers money. Because Eisenhower and the rest of the American people, I mean that’s the American rulers, not the people, wanted to whitewash their crime and to give them asylum and those that will run away from there and to give them as anti-[word unclear] against whatever political views they have. And they wanted to keep them in line to whitewash their faces. Because you cannot whitewash a criminal! Every criminal is a criminal!

Ernst Zundel: What crimes did Eisenhower commit against jews?

Caller 2: When he said “let bygones be bygones”. When he’s seen himself what happened in Belsenberg, he see with his own eyes the way the jews, … The English bulldozers were cleaned away to their grave because they couldn’t come near to them. They had to use bulldozers. And he had the nerve, the audacity to say that bygones be bygones after what he’s seen. That no human being can finish him like that, what he’s seen.

Ernst Zundel: And for that statement he paid $4 billion American dollars. Right?

Caller 1: And not him alone! The only paying behind them, the rulers, not the American people. The American people, the taxpayers pay. But he forced them to pay $4 billion to build out the Germany. Isn’t it seen that Germany has to lend money now to Canada. And she was defeated by us.

Ernst Zundel: Mr Lipman, who was the gang behind Eisenhower?

Caller 2: What was the gang?

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

Caller 2: All these Republican wheelers and dealers. All these Republican wheelers and dealers. And the same time applies not only the American wheelers and dealers. Applies to the Canadian wheelers and dealers. Applies to the English wheelers and dealers. I’m not speaking of people, the people are innocent. The jews, the Arabs are innocent. The English are innocent. The Americans are innocent. They are suckers!

Ernst Zundel: Are the German innocent?

Caller 2: The Germans are innocent to a certain extent. But one thing I say the Germans never express themselves to the, at least not all them are guilty. How shall I say morally they are guilty, but not physically. Because not everyone participates in the murder of the jews. It’s stupid to say that! But at least they should have collective shame. They didn’t even express collective shame. I didn’t see a German yet to bow his head and say:

“We are sorry what happened to the jews!”

They still stick to their own.

[24:54]

Host: Gentlemen, we’re a couple of minutes late with the 2 o’clock news and we have to break for it now.

Caller 2: Hey, anyway, listen. Don’t allow this poison to be spread. Let him go and hang himself like Ribbentrop!

Host: Well, sir, you’ve been on for some time and you still haven’t given us an example of poison.

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Roberts.

Host: Well, [chuckling] he hung up on us again. Since the program as of next Monday starts running around 9:00. Complete idiot or something. I fail to see why I am being accused of being anti-Israeli. The caller on the line right now has stated a time or two that he is not anti-Israeli.

Ernst Zundel: Not at all Mr. Bell. I have no reason for anti-Israeli. Like in every other subject you must look at all sides in as unemotionally as possible. Now I know Mr. Lipman, I have heard of him. I also have read. I read all the jewish papers. I know what they are saying. I understand that they are very much involved. And I deplore the bloodshed in Israel. I deplore the terrorist raids against Israel. That’s why I suggested a very humble suggestion. I have stressed that and stressed it again. Possibly this might prove a way out. But I’m definitely not anti-Israeli! And everybody that knows me at university and has read my political party program when I was running for the Liberal Party, everybody knows. And I am a card carrying member of the Liberal Party. I am not, as one the first caller suggested, a neo-Nazi, or a Nazi as the second caller suggested. I don’t see where name calling gets us. If I am something. I am a young man that will have to live on this planet for a good long time. I hope 40, 50 years. And so my two sons that they are born in Canada by a Canadian mother.

So you see, all I am saying is I don’t want the world to blow up. So as a young man, a student at University of Political Science, I’m saying, have I maybe got an original thought? Is that a crime? I don’t want to offend anybody or hurt anybody. I’m just making this as a I hope a legitimate suggestion. Now if some of my figures are wrong, then I am sorry. I will certainly call these people back and I will certainly tomorrow call the Israeli consulate and find out what they have to say.

Host: Right, good. I’m glad you committed yourself to that.

Ernst Zundel: I definitely will do that.

Host: Fine. Would you say standby please and on CKGM. Good morning, sir.

Caller 3: [words unclear] I’ll hang up.

Host: Pardon?

Caller 3: [word unclear]

Host: Yeah, go right ahead, sir.

Caller 3: An upline show. I’m not by CKGS, the forum of healthy controversy and exchange of opinion.

Host: That’s true.

Caller 3: Yes. About two hours ago I opened the radio. I listened to some enormous deliberate distortions of facts! So that I was unable to go to sleep.

Actually I should have been in bed now because I had moved [word unclear] very early in the morning. But I couldn’t go to sleep. It’s a person whom I heard already a few times. In fact a few weeks ago he called Mr. David Bassett. As I answered later. He started to throw in figures like $14 billion. And he said that the figures were supplied by the German consulate.

Of course this is a lie! And after Geobbel’s said:

“Repeat a lie a thousand times and people will believe it!”

It’s such a big lie! I don’t know because he doesn’t seem ignorant because I don’t know if he realizes what $14 billion means. Here I have the figures in the latest. The New Middle East issue of December. It’s a monthly issue. A monthly paper issued in London. And they give the figures between. It’s a study about Israeli economy and they give the capital in different tables. And one table I see capital import sby major [word unclear]. From 1950 to 1967, 17 years German personal institutions $1, 190,000. German reparation. It just means to the government.

Host: I assume you mean 1,019,000,000.

Caller 3:1, 190,000,000. Yes.

Host: Yeah.

Caller 3: German reparation means to the government, [word unclear] which gives a total of over $1, 900,000,000, from 1950 to 1967. This is one fact. And this gentleman started to come with a figure like 15 billion.

And then he changed. He said maybe 7 billion. And then I don’t know.

[30:27]

Caller 4: (female) [garbled voice] What happened to the jews. It doesn’t matter whether it’s jews. Any nationality. It’s hard. It’s trans to me shaking. And you said you don’t give a damn. Those words are you in my ears. And the doctors and nurses that hurt you and shame on you’re not a nice man. You’re a nervous man. You’re crazy! You’re not just saying the clay. You’re just soft. Good relaxing voice in the middle of the night. People like to hear a nice soft voice so we get.

Host: Well, they can listen to Red Gail, ma’am. He’s got a nice soft voice.

Caller 4: [garbled] They told me that you’re cold one day. Yes. You want to even send a meter down for you’re a nervous. Look, you’re not for this job. Get out the way and give the job to Mr. Lagock or Mr. McCray or all these nice boys who have a little bit of heart and knowledge of everything. You are cruel, man! Very cruel. And you did say that you don’t give a damn what happened to those poor people in the ovens. And you know it! You and your passions are. You have any. And goodbye. Okay.

Host: So I can’t know who she is. Not only do I know who she is, I know she’s been here longer. Because when we taped the call yesterday, and when we taped the threats she’s made against my life, it was compared with another tape when I was not even here.

But she also threatened Hank [word unclear] ’s life. And we have a tape of that also.

So I suggest to the ladies and if you want me to prove who you are, call back. I’ll tell you off the air who you are because we. There’s a lot of people who know you and have been calling us off the air, suggesting that no matter what you say, you’re not dangerous. But let me put it this way. If there’s another threat of the nature that you have made through Hank and to make myself, I’ll do everything in my power to have you committed.

Nightline.

Caller 5: Hello, Mr. Bell?

Host: Yeah. Nightline.

Caller 5: Hello.

Host: Yes, Right. Nightline.

Caller 5: Is that Nightline?

Host: It is.

Caller 5: Is that you, Robert Bell?

Host: Yes, it is.

Caller 5: Okay. I’d like to know what the hell the conflict about anti-semitism was.

Host: Well, it’s all starting. Started with the, …

Caller 5: Let me make myself a little clearer. I am the Anno Automata for sale.

Host: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Caller 5: Now, I listen to the two babes yelling at each other and you played a kind of neutral role. Now, where do you stand?

Host: Where do I stand at? One was attacking me, one was defending me. I guess I stand with the one who defends me. [chuckling]

Caller 5: I’m not interested in whether they attacked or defended. But did anybody have some right to say what they said?

Host: No.

Caller 5: Come on, you can do a little better than that!

Host: Well, you asked if they had a right to say what they said. They have a right to say what they want. Of course. Assume you mean say, …

Caller 5: I mean, did they reflect something you’ve done in the last couple of days or said in the last couple of days, pro-or anti?

Host: No. What was referred to? I answered the charge. The charge was that I said I did not give a damn. What I said was during the course of a hysterical conversation where the lady was screaming and hollering at me.

Caller 5: Keep the conversation out of it. But what is your feeling?

Host: My feeling about what, sir?

Caller 5: I think the charge was anti-semitism and pro-semitism or what?

Host: That’s right. Yes. Huh. Do you know what anti-semitism indicates?

Caller 5: All right, you tell me. What does it indicate?

[34:15]

Host: Well, for one thing, a Semite is descended from Shem. So this. This includes Arabs and Israelis.

Caller 5: Yeah, they were blood tests, as I recall.

Host: That’s right. They’re all Semites.

Caller 5: Right.

Host: Now, in the context that most people use it, which is incorrect, anti-semitism denotes anti-jewishness.

Caller 5: Well, yeah, but it’s sort of in a practical sense that you can accuse [word unclear] ’s at pragmatic. It sort of is the way it works. Right.

Host: Right.

Caller 5: Okay. Now let’s go back to what I listened to. These two broads, two young ladies that were talking to you. I couldn’t figure out what the hell is happening because I tuned in a little late and I haven’t listened to program for the last couple of days.

Host: Well, one called me a Hitler and one said I wasn’t.

Caller 5: Well, what the hell is the real score?

Host: Well, we’ve been dealing with the Middle East situation.

Caller 5: Right. And?

Host: And there are Arabs who say I am anti-Arab, and there are Arabs who say I am pro-Arab. There are jews who say I’m anti-Israeli, and there are jews who say I am pro-Israeli.

Caller 5: I don’t give a damn what you are! I’d rather you told me what you are!

Host: Well, [chuckling] if you don’t give a damn what I am, that doesn’t follow. Are you trying to ascertain with whom my sympathies lie in the Middle East dispute?

Caller 5: No, no, the point isn’t. I’ll correct myself. I didn’t mean to say. I don’t give a damn what you are. What I really meant to say was I want you to tell me what you think.

Host: I think, you’re talking about the Middle East situation?

Caller 5: That’s what you told me you were talking about.

Host: Right now there is a state, a Republic called Israel, in that area.

Caller 5: Was established in 1948.

Host: Right.

Caller 5: By the United Nations.

Host: Right.

Caller 5: And I’m sorry, go ahead.

Host: Anyway, the state is in existence. The Arab world does not recognize the existence of this state.

Caller 5: Well, they don’t do it. Well, they sort of recognize it, but they don’t recognize it from a political point of view.

Host: Right. My position is it is there. To me it exists. I recognize it. There will never be a relaxing of the state of hostility until the Arab world accepts the existence. There are many reasons why they do not accept the existence.

Caller 5: I follow you. Go ahead.

[36:47]

Host: Now in allowing Arabs to come on the line or anyone to come on the line and explain the other position, I opened myself to being charged with being anti-Israeli. The term has been anti-semitism and second Hitler and so on and so forth.

Caller 5: Wow! Second Hitler. You have a mustache.

Host: No, I don’t.

Caller 5: Okay. [chuckling] And you’re not a second Hitler. No. But have you made any pronouncements that have made these broads talk the way they do?

Host: No. Except in a private conversation with the hysterical one.

Caller 5: You shouldn’t have had a private, …

Host: I know I shouldn’t have!

Caller 5: This is the first place., …

Host: And I rarely break that rule! I rarely talk to anybody except on the air. And whenever I do, I’ve done it twice. [chuckling] It’s bad news.

But anyway, I did, fortunately, because of the equipment here. Taken the precaution of taping, you know,. So and also I taped her threats against my life and so on so forth.

Caller 5: [word unclear] this provocative conversation that set me up to this hour. My wife is listening here we have seen it.

[buzzer sounds]

Mr. Bell?

Host: Yeah.

Caller 5: When and if I hear you saying something wrong, I’ll get on and be even more malicious than these young ladies can be. Will you tell them to control their emotions and bring a little bit of rationalization or rationale to their conversation? I’m the guy who told you a couple of weeks ago that you are too patient with some of these idiots. Remember the day, …

Host: I don’t remember the conversation, but I do remember, …

Caller 5: I remember listening about five minutes later and some drunken old gal got on and she said:

“Well that pseudo intellectual comes on and tells us to be rational.”

Remember that?

Host: Yeah, vaguely.

Caller 5: Okay, that’s where I remember. No, but kidding aside, I’d like to hear your position on it. If there is a position or if you have a position and you’re going to be attacked no matter what your position.

Host: True, I’m in the position, the historical position of the jews who I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t but I have stated that I am basically., … Pardon?

Caller 5: I said being a jew, I know what the name of the game is.

Host: Ah.

Caller 5: Go ahead.

Host: Anyway, I have said that, as with most of the Western world, my sympathies are with the jews in this matter. In other words, I would be more, …

[39:24]

Caller 5: I’m not even sure I am a Democrat sympathetic to the jews. I think the Arabs have got a you know, they got a lot of problems. And I’m being facetious at the moment. But not completely because I think there are a lot of poor people, poor uneducated people that could benefit by what Israel could contribute to the Middle East. Not looking at something, not looking at it from a Westerner point of view, but just looking at it from the point of view of what fits to the Middle East. I think that the jews that have come there, who are mostly Europeans, highly educated, highly sophisticated, you know, technologically skillful, they could, you know, remake the goddamn Arab world and they’re ready to do it! I don’t mean every one of them. I’m not talking about orthodox religion, I’m talking about the people who would do it!

And I think that that the whole damn Middle East has become a boiling pot for western both politics and Soviet, US deal and they’ve lost sight. And guys like Nasser and maybe some of the jewish leaders too, have lost sight of the fact that if they want to make something good for their people, which is presumably what we’re all born to do, they’ve got to stop playing games, stop worrying about whether Mr. [word unclear] is an anti-semite because I don’t give a damn if he is, but if you are, don’t walk across the street with me at the same time, [host chuckled] stop giggling! I think if they., …

Host: That was a chuckle, sir.

Caller 5: Pardon?

Host: That was a chuckle.

Caller 5: I don’t know. You might have burped. I think the point is that if we really care about the Middle East for the Middle East sake, then we ought to tell the Arabs, and I think the jews have been trying to do that they don’t always do it very carefully. But then again, the gentile world hasn’t done it very gently all the time either.

If you want to cooperate. Cooperate. You want to be a bunch of silly [buzzer]. You know, just. Did I hear any deep beats?

Host: I don’t know what he’s doing in there.

Caller 5: Something to either.

Host: I think he may be softening your conversation a bit. It’s a little colorful.

Caller 5: Who’s the he?

Host: Pardon?

Caller 5: I said who’s the he?

Host: My engineer.

Caller 5: I thought it was a censor. No, I think if you want to tell him, keep on with your own idiocy and keep up this nonsense in this part of the world, fine. I think the jews by any right have a right to Israel. And it’s debatable, but they are there and they’re a force for good so long as the Arab world wants to accept them. The Arab world wants to [word unclear] you on any kind of silly nonsense like filthy punk termite Carmichael that Canadians don’t own Canada because the Eskimos was here first and we are in a democracy because the Indians owned it first. Then you can listen to these guys and they’re right up to a point, and they’re seeing a certain amount of social injustice. But deep down, Israel the jews, have a right to that land on any international basis. And they proved it by virtue of their skill. And they could make the Arab lands richer, healthier.

Now their emotionalism is going to say:

“We don’t want the jews, we want our land back. We want to go back to the 17th century.”

Then, okay, they have a right to do that they have a right to do as Arabs, as Nasser did in 1968, 67, remember?

Host: Yes.

[44:07]

Caller 5: He said on Sunday:

“We’ll throw them into the ocean!”

The jew said:

“Look, if we’re going to be thrown into the ocean, like Mr, we’re not going to let you do that. We’re going to do the best we can to stop you.”

So then the rest of the world said:

“The jews were the aggressors.”

Because they sort of stopped the guy that would throw them into the ocean from throwing them to the ocean. Mr Bell, do you have anything to contribute?

Host: No. You’re saying, in effect what has been said over the past few days. And I have said over and over again, you know, there are three sides to the story. There’s the Arab side, there’s the Israeli side, and then there’s the truth! Because the Israelis are blinded on one side, the Arabs are blinded on one side. And you cannot be objective over an issue like this. It’s impossible! This is why it is fairly obvious that, at least it should be fairly obvious that I am. You know, if I have to be one or the other. I’m basically pro-Israeli. However, …

Caller 5: … Myself., … Problem.

Host: No, but that’s just my personal feeling.

Caller 5: But I gotta wait and that’s my problem. Now you go ahead.

Host: Yeah. Now, I think it cannot be objective. That does not preclude your being fair. And that is what I try to do, functioning on this program. I try to be fair.

In other words, there are these sides to be heard. And of course, because it’s an emotional issue and you cannot be objective about it. And I don’t expect anyone to be objective about it, I open for myself to incredible criticizm and threats against my life and so on and so forth.

Caller 5: Why don’t you expect anybody to be objective about it?

Host: I don’t see how it’s possible.

Caller 5: Why?

Host: Because it is such a highly charged emotional issue.

Caller 5: Pardon?

Host: Because it is such a highly charged emotional issue on both sides.

Caller 5: [buzzer sounds] Highly emotional? The French-Canadian separatism problem, the problem of the atom bomb, the problem of communism, of separatism, of everything. These are all highly emotional issues! No, I think you’re right. Most people are not capable of being objective. Including me and maybe you. I’m not including you because that’s your prerogative. But I don’t think it’s valid. Can’t be reasonably objective.

Host: Right. When I say, you know, ideally, objectivism or to be objective, it would be an ideal way to deal with it. But because it is unlikely, I say that there is no reason why you shouldn’t be fair.

Caller 5: Fair?

Host: I’m using that in place of the objectivity that you could use in reacting to another issue. In this particular type of issue, as I say, objectivity is unlikely. Are you open to taking a call, sir?

Caller 5: Pardon?

Host: Are you open to taking a call?

Caller 5: I’ll take any calls at all!

Host: Go right ahead.

Caller 1: (female) Good evening.

Host: Good evening.

Caller 1: May I please speak to the gentleman who’s on with you now?

Host: Yes, go ahead.

Caller 1: Listen, Mr, I don’t know your name, but anyway, Mr Bell hasn’t been leveling with you at all!

Caller 5: Hello here. Would you talk a little louder?

Caller 1: Right. Mr. Bell hasn’t been leveling with you at all! Did you hear the night line last night? From 12 o’clock till 5 o’clock this morning?

Caller 5: Oh, dear! I Was busy sleeping, I think.

Caller 1: Well, let me. And it was obvious to everybody who was listening. It took a few hours, he [words unclear] that this man was upsetting every jewish person in Montreal.

Caller 5: Now, baby doll, he wasn’t upsetting me.

Caller 1: Well, he wasn’t upsetting you?

Caller 5: No, I wasn’t listening to him then.

Caller 1: He was upsetting me.

Caller 5: Okay, I’m sorry if he upset you. What did he do to you, [word unclear] idiot?

Caller 1: This neo-Nazi carried on for five hours!

Caller 5: What did he say?

Caller 1: He spoke all sorts of nonsense! We had very articulate jewish people on the line. We had very hysterical people on the line, people who had lost all their relations.

Caller 5: Okay, but what did Mr. Bell do?

Caller 1: Mr. Bell was absolutely neutral if he had anything to do. He gave the other chap all the time. He gave some people seven minutes. He gave some people a little longer.

Caller 5: I hear. Would you hold on for a minute? Okay. Mr Bell?

Host: Yeah.

Caller 5: You there?

Host: I am.

Caller 5: Did you do that?

Host: No, I did not. The gentleman was on the line, but in terms of time, my time and his time put together did not anywhere near equal the time in opposition, which, in effect was the jewish side.

Caller 1: He kept the man on five hours!

Host: Madam, I’m sorry. The jewish callers kept him on.

Caller 1: Mr Bell there were two callers. You gave them seven minutes, even then if they came back. I tried to get the line for five solid hours!

Host: Right. Now. When you add up all what we’ll call the jewish time and put it, let’s say, against the caller and my time and the news, you’ll find that the jewish callers had proportionately more time.

Now, I did not keep him on. The callers kept him on.

Caller 1: He kept me on the air for five hours with my position and [word unclear] beat the Arab people, I have no issue with Arabs coming on the line and explaining their side.

[49:52]

Host: Madam, when you called up, you want to talk to this gentleman, and I said:

“That’s fine.”

Now, if somebody calls up and wants to talk to you, that’s fine, too. You can hang on if you don’t object to taking their calls.

Caller 1: But I wanted to tell this gentleman that you were not telling him what went on last night, keeping him [words unclear] natural offender.

Caller 5: Dear, you listen to me for a minute. I didn’t listen to the conversation last night.

Caller 1: But I’m telling you I’m not, …

Caller 5: Hey, dear, I heard you and I got the message. Bell must be a rotten. Mr. Bell, you listening?

Host: Yeah.

Caller 5: Well, you must be kind of some kind of pervert! But he also is a very confident man that’s handling this kind of job. Are you listening, dear?

Caller 1: Yes.

Caller 5: Maybe from time to time, this kind of job is a battle. So don’t attack him until he tells you he’s an anti-semite.

[sound cut out]

Host: I mention to you that we are undergoing some technical difficulties. I have three engineers and they’re working on it. So you will be cutting out from time to time? Possibly. It’s unfortunate, but that’s where it has to be for the moment.

Caller 1: Is that Mr. Bell speaking?

Host: Yeah.

Caller 2: (female) I am the third party, Mr. Bell, and I would appreciate very much. Even if it’s off the air, I would appreciate to speak to that gentleman and, …

Caller 5: And Just a minute, dear.

Caller 2: Is it possible?

Host: Well, you’re talking to him now, ma’am.

Caller 2: Thank you.

Caller 5: Mr. Bell.

Host: Yes, sir.

Caller 5: Okay. I’m Hope, Chief Charity. And I said you’re Faith, …

Caller 2: Sir.

Host: So we have Faith, Hope and Charity on the line.

Caller 2: I am a human being. This is what happened. I appreciate the fact that you got, …

Caller 5: I wasn’t there and I didn’t look there, …

Caller 2: I appreciate the fact that you got out. The fate of the whole situation. I am not going to, … You know what that means?

Caller 5: I don’t speak that language. But go ahead, dear.

Caller 2: Oh, yes you do.

Caller 1: And I know what you mean.

Caller 2: You do?

Caller 1: Yes, I do.

Caller 2: Well, listen, the woman pulled up, …

Caller 5: How many women? Mr Bell.

Host: Yeah.

Caller 5: How many women, …

Host: Sir, you’re cutting out. Would you mind repeating what you said?

[52:32]

Caller 2: Hey, I said I appreciate the fact that the judgment got [word unclear] It saved the whole situation because that’s what we need, more brilliant people on the line, not just trusted on. If he’s such a hardened nurse, why listen to the stomach sickness in these days. Why isn’t she nursing? That’s the nurse I’m speaking of now, the gentleman was saying that the two women were young. I am in [word unclear] for the last two weeks, sir. And I heard everything. I heard the Sterling fellow and everybody. And I couldn’t cope with the way that both of the women were attacking Mr. Bell And I faced him. I came to his rescue. I don’t know if he cares to. There was such excitement. Well, why can’t Mr. Bell defend himself? He’s quite capable of defending himself. Oh, are you the lady? I’m the lady. Are you still the you call yourself a lady too? I’m not yelling at. I came on to speak to the gentlemen, and to Mr. Bell. I want to have a full weight.

Caller 1: [words unclear]

Caller 2: You’re not saying anything else, but the same thing all over again.

Caller 1: Please believe me. You didn’t believe me that I am jewish. I want to tell you I had more friends than you will ever have and I never had any misunderstanding with any one of them.

Caller 2: Mr. Bell, I came on. And you called me an anti-semite.

Host: All right, well, just moment. Let’s take space for a second. Go ahead.

Caller 5: Faith, faithful and charity.

Caller 2: Mr Bell, I came onto the air.

Host: Yeah.

Caller 2: To the gentleman, may I have my chance? May this lady please come on later.

Caller 1: Yeah, I’ll wait.

Caller 2: Well, I’ll be the judge of that, ma’am. Just stand by you have been designated Faith, hope and charity. Madam, you are Faith. Go ahead.

Caller 2: Now, Mr. Bell, if you knew that you were a upsetting so many people last night for five hours, why didn’t you cut this man? Why didn’t you stop the whole thing?

Host: Because upsetting one is no basis for cutting anyone off the air. We’ve had other discussions. I won’t even mention what they are, but they have upset people too.

Now, no matter what you talk about, if you’re dealing with an emotional issue, you’re going to upset people. And that just narrows what we, … I don’t want to get into budgie birds and puppies dogs and, …

Caller 2: Neither do I Mr Bell. But the whole point is this, that you knew quite well that the jewish people of this city whose relations are in Israel who are going to part of the war are in a panic anyway. You don’t need neo-Nazis to put us into a bigger panic!

[55:20]

Host: Well, you see, you’re accusing someone of being a neo-Nazi. That is your opinion. You are entitled to it. It is not my opinion and I am running the show.

Caller 2: Hey, but what about all the dozens of others or [words unclear] and accuse him of being a neo-Nazi too?

Host: Well, what about the dozens and dozens of calls that came in not accusing of being a neo-Nazi?

Caller 2: Because you really compare the intelligence of the few people who called you up to compliment you and say:

“Oh, Mr Bell, we enjoy your show. Carry on. You do the good work.”

To these people who came on this articulate woman last night, who gave you the position of Israel to the man who comes on pretty often. Do you know that this particular Nazi, and we probably do know by now, does not get onto Mr. Burns, sir, Mr. Burns says:

“I smell this Nazi and he never gets onto that show!”

So if Mr. Burns thinks he’s a Nazi, surely you appreciate Mr Burns intelligence? I mean, really, Mr. Bell, there’s something so sadistic about you and this man and this, …

Caller 5: Hey, doll, can I interrupt?

Host: Yes, sir, go right ahead, Hope.

Caller 5: Dear, I haven’t heard a thing and I didn’t listen to the program last night, but I haven’t heard of a thing that Mr. Bell did last night. I was wrong to start [word unclear] some character talk. Did he do anything other than that?

Caller 2: Do you want me to answer?

Caller 5: Yes, you’re the one that’s caught me.

Caller 2: He upset people to such an extent, …

Caller 5: No, no, I’m asking you a question here.

Caller 2: Yes. This is one of the suggestions he made, that the Israelis should pay the refugees reparation.

Caller 5: I think it’s a pretty goddamn [buzzer sounds] I’m all of the, … Go ahead.

Caller 2: Would you like the 6 million jews plus the 28 million, 24 million other people to come out and also have to pay the reparation? How do you pay for these human lives?

Caller 5: Well, I don’t know how you pay for human lives. And you’re right.

Caller 2: And don’t you., …

Caller 5: Mr Bell.

Host: Yes.

Caller 5: Just a minute.

Host: Yes.

Caller 5: Mr. Bell ought to participate.

Caller 2: Mr. Bell does not participate!

Caller 5: Now, baby doll, quiet down. Quiet down, …

Caller 2: I’m not your baby doll.

Caller 5: Well, if you’re not my baby doll. You’re somebody else’s.

Caller 2: That’s for sure.

Caller 5: Okay, fine. Sure. You got to be somebody’s baby doll. Mr. Bell.

Host: Yes, sir.

Caller 5: Come on! You, sir, participate.

Host: All right. In terms of evaluating the lives lost and the caller was on earlier referred to it as a grisly subject, which it is.

Caller 2: [buzzer sounds]

Host: On one side with his lawyers and a jewish leader on the other side with his lawyers arrived at a settlement. Let’s say. That was a figure was arrived.

Caller 5: In relation to what?

Host: In relation to the lives lost in Germany.

Caller 5: Okay, all right, now I got the message. Go ahead.

Host: Well, this term, rather this figure was based on, as the caller mentioned, the fact that a father is responsible for the upbringing of children up to the age of 21. So then the state took over at that point. In terms of other members of the family logic. It was arrived at in similar logic, let’s say a lawyer’s logic, I guess, for lack of a better term.

Caller 5: Yeah, I got the message. Go ahead.

Host: Well, that is all that I’m saying on that point.

Caller 5: What the hell is this broad [word unclear] you up?

Host: It’s upsetting the jewish population of Montreal.

Caller 2: Well, why is it upsetting the jewish population? They know that’s [word unclear] for no reason.

Caller 5: You’re not a baby doll. I know. Okay.

Caller 2: Isn’t that awful?

Caller 5: No. Okay. It’s not awful!

Caller 2: Now, what sort of a remark is that from that woman? Isn’t that awful?

Host: Well, let’s listen to the [word unclear] charity. Go ahead. Charity.

Caller 2: I mean, this is ridiculous! Wouldn’t like to get on three, four times a day.

Host: Okay, now Charity is on the line. Go ahead, Charity.

Caller 2: There’s a point of this that it’s a well known fact, or it should be to Mr. Bell.

Host: One moment. You’re Faith, you’re Faith.

Caller 5: I’m sorry. [word unclear] responsibility. Mr. Bell.

Host: One moment, sir. One moment, sir.

Caller 4: You know you’ll never change that woman’s mind. She sticks to the same story. I shall tell tomorrow to every one.

Caller 2: And I discuss this with Mr. Bell. I don’t want that woman on the earth. I have nothing to do.

Caller 4: I can say the same things for you, my dear.

Caller 2: But I didn’t call up to talk to you, madam.

Caller 4: I didn’t talk to you.

Caller 2: I mean, you’re just a false spoke to the wheel.

Ernst Zundel: I would like my listeners to realize that all three individuals arguing with one another so vehemently are jews. Faith, Hope and Charity. All three are jews! The debate raged on. Much material was brought out and I would like you to have the opportunity to inform yourself further to these issues. You can obtain material book list from us from Zamistad, 206 Carlton Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Postal code M5A 2L1. Telephone number 416-922-9850. [No longer valid]

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Ernst Zundel – 1967-68 Radio Shows in Montreal Discussing Israel and Jewish Topics 1 – Transcript

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Ernst Zundel

1967-68 Radio Shows in Montreal

Discussing Israel and Jewish Topics – 1

Sat, Jul 15, 1967

[The transcript is part of a 1967-68 radio show in Montreal featuring Ernst Zundel discussing Israel and Jewish topics.

Zundel says he got “a really good public hearing” on these controversial topics.

He says there was pressure on the radio station from jewish groups over his appearances.

Zundel criticises the argumentation tactics of jewish callers, saying they use “constant interruption, constant deflection manoeuvres, constant ridiculing.”

A jewish caller accuses Zundel of being “a German pro-Nazi.”

Zundel defends himself, saying he was only 6 years old when WWII ended.

There is debate over German reparations payments to Israel and jewish individuals.

Zundel cites figures from the German consulate about reparations payments.

A jewish caller challenges Zundel’s figures and sources.

There is discussion of German scientists working for Arab countries after WWII. (25:00)

The bombing of Dresden is brought up as a counterpoint.

Zundel suggests Israel should pay reparations to Palestinian refugees.

The caller argues this is impractical and wouldn’t lead to peace.

There is debate over Israeli retaliation for terrorist attacks.

The caller accuses Zundel:

“I haven’t heard you say a good thing about the Israelis.”

The origins of Ashkenazi jews are debated, with Zundel citing the “Khazar theory.”

The caller strongly disputes this theory:

“What are you talking about?”

Throughout, there are heated exchanges and accusations of bias on both sides.

The host tries to moderate and says “There are three sides to this story. There’s the Israeli side, the Arab side and the truth!”

Zundel frequently cites statistics and historical claims that are challenged by the callers.

There are repeated arguments over who has legitimate claims to Israel/Palestine.

The tone is often combative, with interruptions and personal attacks.

Zundel presents himself as offering a “German perspective” on these issues.

The caller accuses Zundel of anti-semitism and Nazi sympathies.

The radio host allows Zundel to speak at length but also gives time to opposing callers.

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Ernst Zundel: This is Ernst Christoph Friedrich Zundel. I’m about to share with you what by now is a historical series of interviews, talk shows, tape recorded excerpts of radio shows and reactions to radio shows which I did in Montreal in 1967-68.

I used to live in Montreal for nine years amongst French-Canadians. Enjoyed my stay amongst the French-Canadian population immensely. It was a very interesting time for me in that I attended university in Montreal and was very active politically speaking. Sometimes four times a week at different places in churches, businessmen’s clubs, union halls, air cadets, Boy Scouts, schools and so on about political topics, mainly communism, separatism, and of course, my always and ever ready favourite topic, namely the swindle of the 6 million jews.

In those days, this was completely new terrain for me, as it was for everybody else. No one in the Western world publicly had discussed this topic very much and it was positively dangerous to one’s health to touch upon this topic.

However, I was writing a column in the university student newspaper and gave speeches at the university and so on, and always ready and willing to have an intellectual scrap, or whatever you want to call it.

I decided one night that I would like to discuss this particular topic on radio. And it came shortly after the war in 67, the Arab-Israeli war. And the reaction was so fantastic that I decided to tape some of these talk shows. Unfortunately, it would take hours and hours and hours to bring all the tapes that I have. So these here are really excerpts. The moderator of the show was a young English Canadian whom I have never met to this day, certainly only knew from the air, never even spoke in private via the telephone, always only while we were on the air or during commercial breaks. He was about my age, and later on I heard through somebody at the radio station that his father was in fact an RCMP, a Royal Canadian Mounted Police captain.

Now, I have no idea if this was the reason why this young man was allowing me so much airtime. It was an absolutely incredible situation in that he did allow me sometimes five hours of often very little interrupted time to expostulate and to expound my outlooks and theories on life. So much so as can be deducted later on from some of the statements made by jewish scholars who are complaining about the amount of airtime that I got.

He was a very kind fellow. I thought he was eminently fair. And for the first time I felt that the gentile side, or certainly my side or the German side of this issue got a really good public hearing and a good airing.

This issue that we are discussing in the following tape the Arab-Israeli dispute and the German reparations payment was so intensely and intensively discussed that delegations from the Canadian jewish Congress and from the Israeli consulate used to visit the radio station, putting all kinds of pressure on that radio station. And it’s again evident by what the moderator later on is saying when he repeats that he has had death threats and assassination threats, boycott threats and so on.

Also it is evident from the reaction of the jewish callers themselves. I would like to draw your attention to the fact of argumentation, how the jewish community of Montreal, both young and old, European and Canadian, male and female, of how they argue, the tactics and the methods that they employ. It is a tremendous lesson to be learnt.

All the hate and the vilification that can be mustered against an individual totally unknown to them, except for what is being said on the radio comes through there. You can see the intolerance towards me and towards things German. You can also see how impolite these people are in that they constantly interrupt me in this particular case. And they would do the same with other Gentiles, never to allow us to bring a thought, to develop it and to draw it to a logical conclusion. Constant interruption, constant deflection manoeuvres, constant ridiculing!

And another interesting feature of the discussion is obviously always the attack from the jewish side against the individual that is launching some kind of an idea. Never so much as to the content of the idea. Usually the attempt is made to destroy, in effect, the accuser. And I’m called a Nazi, a Neo-Nazi, a German, in the most hateful undertones, and men and women alike. It is very interesting.

The man is desperate and asked me during a commercial break to please come to his rescue. This is Mr Bell, the moderator, and to say something nice about the Israelis. Not that I had said anything that wasn’t nice, but he thought I should get him off the hook and get some of the pressure off him by stating my case of what the heck I was really driving at. Because he was being accused on air, off air, by the station manager and by the station employees, many of them who were jewish, of being an anti-semite of the worst kind!

And so that young man was desperate. And since he treated me very fairly, I also came out to take the pressure off him with one of my statements about my policy on Israel and so on.

Now, when one listens to this whole tape, I want to be specifically reminding you, listen to what happens to statistics when money is discussed. Statistics, sums of money, sums of people and so on. Money and numbers of money and amounts of dollars and amounts of people have nothing to do in the discussion on the airwaves. People get lost, confused! Just listen to the pauses in the argumentation whenever we are discussing different statistical facts and so on. This is a very important point.

[09:19]

In closing, I will have to point out yet again that the station manager was forced to have flown by a special courier plane every morning the five hour long tapes to the board of broadcast governors at that time in Ottawa, the capital of Canada. And these men would sit there and listen to the argumentation going on because the president of the Canadian Jewish Congress, Dean Maxwell Cohen, had stated in front of a Senate committee at the time that Ernst Zundel was:

“Poisoning the air and pitting jew against gentile.”

And so on in Canadian society. And the station was under threat to lose its licence. In effect, what happened, the programme was pushed back towards very late at night. The times were changed for the program. Sponsors were lost. This young man, Mr. Bell, in effect was again fired from his job, lost his livelihood and the station closed this particular talk show down!

Once again, jewish pressure had succeeded in silencing a voice. Listen to the tapes now.

[Start of radio show recording]

Ernst Zundel: An inexpensive way for Israel of gaining allies and of undermining Nasser and the other high hats. The $1 billions. This is pretty close to what the war costs currently. New budget came out in Israel and it allocates 37% of the total budget of the state of Israel for defense.

Radio Host: Right. Okay, there’s a call on the line now. And I don’t know whether this caller has figures or opinions.

Hello?

Caller 1: Hello? Hello. Yes, I want to explain something. This man who is talking to you is a German pro-Nazi, you understand? I know him. I don’t understand why you’re so interested in these stories.

Ernst Zundel: Well, is there a law against being interested in those stories?

Caller 1: I know that you are pro-Nazi German.

Ernst Zundel: It’s wonderful how you throw labels around. What are you?

You want to declare yourself? What you are?

Caller 1: Don’t try to come out and [words unclear] Speak to him. You’re in Canada, you’re not in Germany.

Ernst Zundel: I know I’m in Canada, that’s why I’m speaking Over The Airwaves here.

Caller 1: No, come on! Here you understand. Go to Adolf [word unclear]. You are pro-Nazi. I know who you are.

Ernst Zundel: Yeah, you are pretty rude, sir. Truth hurts doesn’t it?

Caller 1: You try to come out to Mr. Bell, but you never have a truth.

Ernst Zundel: Very true. I don’t have a chance with Mr. Bell.

Caller 1: Right. You are a pro-Nazi. Go to [word unclear] Okay?

Ernst Zundel: Maybe it indicates something. Maybe it indicates something.

[Caller hangs up]

Radio Host: Now we’re dealing right now with some figures that are contrary to figures I have. And we’re getting callers. You have a few calls to take here.

Ernst Zundel: Right.

Radio Host: Now, I don’t know if anyone has any figures against the figures you have, which you got from the consulate here. This is not the first time that whether you are on the air or off the air, that someone has accused you of being a Neo-Nazi or something. How do you react to that?

Ernst Zundel: Well, of course, being a German, they think it sticks.

But I would like to remind them that I was born in 1939. That made me exactly, let’s say three years old when Hitler was at his supreme. It made me six years old when the Allies liberated us. Moroccan troops and Algerian troops. And I had three sisters at the time. And I would like to tell those people how it felt to be liberated as a 6 year old boy. I also saw 141 bullet holes where my mother was chased across a field By a, [word unclear] you know.

Radio Host: Algerian and Moroccan troops. Where were you? Where were you exactly?

Ernst Zundel: Black Forest.

Radio Host: In the Black Forest?

Ernst Zundel: Maybe Freudenstadt, was burned down completely. The hospital city of Freudenstadt is about half an hour away from where I was born. Neighbor city of Portheim was bombed in February and, 20,000 people got killed in one night. All that as a boy. You never forget those things, the sirens wailing, the bombers coming across and everything else, you know.

Anyways, I was 6 years old when the war was over. Now I have a boy, he’s 8 years old. If I were to ask him, are you a conservative or liberal? He wouldn’t know. Certainly was no card carrying member of the Nazi party. I immigrated to Canada at the youth of 19, not even. I have been here for the last 10 years.

So I don’t quite see why I should go and discuss my ideas on the Middle East with Mr. Fontaine. As a matter of fact, I think it’s very intolerant from the man they called. Am I any less a Canadian because I am of German origin? I would like to remind this man that we are Canada’s third largest ethnic group by far. That we are far more numerous than the Ukrainians and that we are far more numerous than the jewish Canadians.

In other words, I have just as much legitimate right to be discussing anything that I believe, including the Middle East.

Radio Host: Right. Well, you don’t feel that you’re anti-Israeli?

Ernst Zundel: No, I’m not. No, I’m not anti-Israeli.

But as I always say in every discussion, there is not only two sides to a coin, there is three sides to a coin.

Radio Host: That’s what I say.

[15:08]

Ernst Zundel: And if I look at the Middle East, I look at those hapless Arabs in their tents and those Arab soldiers, I know they have no axe to grind against Israel. They are victims of very emotional propaganda, because anybody that has a short wave receiver can pick it up. The operator of Radio Cairo. And the argument always emanating from Cairo is:

“That the jews have stolen your land and that’s why you are living in misery and in poverty.”

That’s why your Radio Cairo is lying.

So [word unclear] last week called and suggested that possibly a way out for the Israelis would be to pay a settlement to those people that lost their home, and their fields, in their stores in 1948 and possibly 1953. Is that a crime? Is that unreasonable? Is that being Nazi? I don’t see so.

Radio Host: Well, I think we have a gentleman on the line that you were talking with originally.

Sir?

Caller 1: Yes.

Radio Host: You’re on the air.

Caller 1: Okay.

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

Caller 1: Okay. Now, I don’t know about what you were when you were six, but you’re not six now. So the fact that you were six when Hitler was in power doesn’t have any logical reference to what you might be. Now, I’m not saying what you are or are not, but that has as illogical as an argument.

Let me ask you this.

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

Caller 1: You say that two things. In the first place, you gave a figure, incidentally, I’m the chap you spoke to you last week.

Ernst Zundel: Right. I recognise your voice.

Caller 1: You gave a figure that a certain number of billions of dollars was paid to individuals, right. In Israel. What was that figure?

Ernst Zundel: According to the German consulate, it’s seven billion.

Caller 1: Seven billion?

Ernst Zundel: Right.

Caller 1: Now, how many jews were in Germany in 1933? German jews?

Ernst Zundel: 680,000.

Caller 1: How many German jews were killed by the Nazis?

Ernst Zundel: I think the figure is 320,000.

Caller 1: Well, I have a figure for you.

Ernst Zundel: Right.

Caller 1: It’s a very large one. In fact, I think it’s a bit exaggerated. But even if that’s a true figure., …

Ernst Zundel: How much is it?

Caller 1: About 100,000 German refugees, German jews were left after the war. I think that’s a high figure, but I’m not sure. But even if that’s a high figure, if they all went to Israel, which they didn’t do, you see, if they all went to Israel, which they didn’t do, and if they were all paid according to you, they would all, by my calculation, they would all receive, have received about $55,000 a piece!

Ernst Zundel: Just a moment, sir. Just a moment. I know figures.

Caller 1: Let me ask you this now.

Ernst Zundel: No, just you let me answer you right back.

Caller 1: Okay.

Ernst Zundel: So we don’t get off the track here.

Caller 1: Okay.

Ernst Zundel: The missing 200,000 or 250,000. Between my figure and your figure. Did you ever think that many jews between 1933 and 1938 went to Czechoslovakia?

Caller 1: Are you kidding?

Ernst Zundel: No, I’m not on that. I’m dead serious, man! I can bring you very [words unclear] that went to Czechoslovakia and that went to Vienna and that went to France and that went to, …

Caller 1: Are you kidding?

Ernst Zundel: I’m dead serious.

Caller 1: How can you be. How can you be. How can you be dead serious?

Ernst Zundel: Okay, we have a very prominent Montreal journalist that is always interviewed, that writes for many tourist papers. If Mr. Bell wants to pass the name up, I’ll give you the name. He left Germany in 1933.

Caller 1: Of course. Of course, there was some. But it required a great deal of money and they had to leave most of their property behind.

Ernst Zundel: But he didn’t. This man’s father didn’t.

Caller 1: Yeah, well, you have an individual case.

Ernst Zundel: Just a moment.

Caller 1: You have an individual case.

Okay, so how many were left? 300,000, you say. If there are 300,000 German jews left.

Ernst Zundel: No, I didn’t say that. The figures that, as you said to yourself, there are some exaggerated figures.

Caller 1: No, no, my figures exaggerated 100,000. I think it was very much fewer. But even if it’s 100,000, that would give each one of them $55,000. Is that what they got in reparations from Germany?

Ernst Zundel: Sir, I didn’t count the money. All I did is some research. Told the authorities that paid the money and that had the money on the book.

Caller 1: Now, did you go to the people who received the money?

Ernst Zundel: No, sir, I didn’t try to.

Caller 1: Well, let me give you some advice. If you go down the street from the West German consulate, there’s the Israeli consulate.

Ernst Zundel: Right.

Caller 1: Why didn’t you bother to take the figures that you got from the German consulate down to the Israeli consulate, and ask them if they put the same interpretation or indeed if they have the same figures that you got from the Germans? Does that ever occur to you? If you’re a journalist?

Radio Host: That’s a fairly good idea.

Caller 1: You’re a journalist, aren’t you?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, sir, it has occurred to me.

Caller 1: Well, before you get on the earth, before you send any stories to any newspapers, before you publish anything, go and check your figures from both sources. You say stories have two sides, and these three sides!

Ernst Zundel: Would the New York Times be a good source for accurate information?

Caller 1: I just told you what to do. And why didn’t you go to the Israeli consulate?

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Ernst Zundel: Sir, would the New York Times you good source?

Caller 1: No, I don’t trust. I don’t trust any newspaper.

Ernst Zundel: Don’t eh?

Caller 1: No.

Ernst Zundel: Well, maybe I’m a bit more trustworthy. I trust that the Minister of Finance.

Caller 1: All I have of course is your report of what you read in the New York Times.

Ernst Zundel: The Minister of Finance of Germany had faced 482 Parliamentarians in Germany. Plus the whole press corp.

Caller 1: Yeah, yeah.

Ernst Zundel: Plus the Canadian [words unclear], plus the Canadian Jewish Eagle, plus the International Scientist Organisation and stated that we have, …

Caller 1: Let me ask you something else. Let me ask you something else.

Ernst Zundel: Go right ahead.

Caller 1: You mentioned the Canadian Jewish Eagle, eh, This is a Yiddish newspaper.

Ernst Zundel: Right.

Caller 1: I have many, many Christian friends here in Canada. As a matter of fact my adult years were all spent amongst non-jews. I’m a very jewish person. I would have to speak to 1,000 of them to find out anyone who has ever heard of the Canadian Jewish Eagle. How come you’re so interested? How do you know about it?

Ernst Zundel: Is it a crime to be?

Caller 1: No, no!

I’m just curious as to how you come to know about it. Do you read Yiddish?

Ernst Zundel: Do I read Yiddish?

Caller 1: Yes.

Ernst Zundel: That’s my business. I just might, you know.

Caller 1: You just might.

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

Caller 1: Just like [word unclear] and he reads Yiddish too.

Ernst Zundel: Let me tell you something. If maybe that indicates something to you that my grandfather’s name was Isidor Meyer.

Caller 1: Isidor Meyer?

Ernst Zundel: Yeah. How do you like that for [word unclear] You think about that for a while.

Caller 1: Listen, listen. If you know any German history, you would know that German history is filled with a man like, … Do you know any German history? Ever hear of a man named Peppercorn?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I know a man.

Caller 1: He went by the name named Peppercorn, lived about 400 years ago.

Ernst Zundel: That’s right.

Caller 1: And he was one of the worst anti-semites, a convert, that ever lived. I don’t care what your grandfather was called. You see, that’s not evidence of any kind.

Ernst Zundel: I didn’t say whether I read Yiddish or not.

Caller 1: I’m just curious about your interest in it, you see. What is your interest?

Ernst Zundel: My interest is.

Caller 1: Yeah.

Ernst Zundel: I’m interested in many things. You want to have a couple of statistics?

Caller 1: No, no, just why are you. Why are you so interested in the jewish question and Israel?

Ernst Zundel: Because it is very vitally involved with Germany and with the history that we are being taught.

Caller 1: Can I read something to you in a moment, Mr. Bell?

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Bell.

Radio Host: Yeah, I’m listening.

Caller 1: You got a moment there? Can I read something? I’ll give you the name of the guy who wrote it just in the paper as well, but just let me read it, if we’re concerned with these raids back and forth and the German interest in it.

Radio Host: Ah ha.

Caller 1: One of the more efficient leaders. This is a publication date of January 3rd.

Ernst Zundel: What year?

Caller 1:1969.

One of the more efficient leaders of the Al Fatah terrorist organisation is a tall, slender man who calls himself Al Hatch, “Pilgrim” in English. Al Hatch heads a group of specialists trained to assemble bombs which in turn are smuggled into crowded civilian areas of Old Jerusalem. In all likelihood, the recent terrorist attack which cut scores of lives in all Jerusalem, most of them women and children, are the work of this man.

Al Hatch is a master of disguise. He crosses the border sometimes in Arab guard, but more often dressed like a European. He also sports a forged Swiss passport. In his European clothes, he does not look one bit like an Arab, and for this reason, he was able to cross practically at will until his identity became known. There’s a good reason why Al Hatch is able to pass as a European. He is none other than Richard Winterhalter, formerly of the SS Death head squad. Winterhalter, wanted by West Germany, Poland and Czechoslovakia for war crimes, operated both in Terezin, Theresienstadt and Auschwitz. Winterhalter was the key man who arranged for the death trains bringing elderly people from Terezin to the Birkenau extermination factories. He has also trained the special command of Auschwitz prisoners temporarily reprieved from the gruesome task of bringing bodies of murder victims from gas chambers to the crematoria.

Winterhalter escaped from a British prisoner of war camp during the summer of 1945 and crossed him to Italy. From there he made his way to Egypt, where he converted to Islam. During 1949, he made his pilgrimage to Mecca, calling himself Al Hatch. The newly created Mohammedan, promptly joined the battle against Israel and served under the notorious Mufti of Jerusalem. So, on about the deliberation plan.

Ernst Zundel: Now, who writes? What paper is it?

Caller 1: This is written by Peter Lust.

Ernst Zundel: Oh, well, Mr. Peter Lust. Wonderful.

Caller 1: Yeah. Now, this information, since he names this name, it suggests to me several things. In the first place, I want to ask a general question. I don’t dislike the Germans. I’ve been to Germany several times. I’ve met many young German people, in fact, in Israel. But I don’t understand. This is what I just can’t get through my mind about the German engineers who worked in Egypt, the German engineers who are working in Syria.

The Germans are helping these people now to fight the jews. Why can’t they just leave them alone? You know, they tried to get rid of them 30 years ago, 20 years ago. Why can’t they just leave them alone? Why just have to go on and on trying to get rid of what Hitler left over. Can you explain that to me as a German?

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Ernst Zundel: I don’t know.

Caller 1: Have you ever thought about it?

Ernst Zundel: I don’t. Look, I came to Canada when I was 19 years old.

Caller 1: Don’t give us that bit again. You know. How old are you now? You’re 30?

Ernst Zundel: Yeah, I’m 30.

Caller 1: So you read newspapers?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I do.

Caller 1: So you read about your fellow Germans who work for the Egyptians and the Syrians? What do you think about it?

Ernst Zundel: What do I think about it?

Caller 1: Yes.

Ernst Zundel: They’re engineers. They were forbidden by the allied, …

Caller 1: What do you think about it? No, don’t tell us about what they were forbidden. What do you think about it as a fellow German?

Ernst Zundel: You don’t have to be so aggressive. Anybody that shouts and screams indicates usually that he is [word unclear]

Caller 1: Not necessarily. If he gets stupid replies, he has to shout.

Ernst Zundel: I haven’t even made my replies, because you are so aggressive. So.

Caller 1: Well, what do you think about it?

Ernst Zundel: What do I think about it?

Caller 1: Yes.

Ernst Zundel: These people like for instance, Messerschmitt that build a plane for the Egyptians and the engineers like. Well, I think Metzgar is one of his name that builds El Kahir that never brought fire during the Arab-Israeli war, which is a rocket with a 600 mile range, along the V2 line. These men, by the treaties of or by the Nuremberg Judgment, are forbidden to build this kind of stuff in Germany. So they were looking for new fields.

Caller 1: Yeah, but why did you mean. Was that the only place. You know? There are many Germans who go to Israel to work. I’ve met them there. I’ve met them working in the kibbutzene, if they wanted. If they wanted to go someplace to work.

Ernst Zundel: If you are Messerschmitt that had designed jet planes and rockets, you’re hardly inclined to continue your career in an Israeli kibbutz.

Caller 1: I suppose. I thought he could have gone to Brazil where Dr. Mengele is, you know.

Ernst Zundel: Yeah. What is Dr Mengele, is he a rocket engineer?

Caller 1: No. Well, I could have gone to Brazil needs. It’s a funny thing, but they always end up. They always seem to end up on the side facing the jews! What do they want from us?

Ernst Zundel: Wernher von Braun is he facing the jews, sir?

Caller 1: You got one example there. And you had dozens working in Syria and Egypt.

Ernst Zundel: Anybody that followed Apollo lately knows precisely how many German rocket scientists are in America.

Caller 1: I’m not so excited about Wernher von Braun either I’m interested in knowing from him he’s going to testify in a trial. You know, I’m interested in knowing from him just as I’m interested in knowing from other just plain soldiers when they were in Germany for that long period. And since they are not stupid people. He knew exactly what he was doing when he was designing the V2s. You know, his conscience is not that kind that gives me admiration. I would just assume, just assume if he had been told that if he didn’t design the vehicles, they would shoot him, that he had let himself be shot. You know, he’s not one of my great heroes.

Ernst Zundel: How many of you Russian scientists that created the what they call the Stalin Organ rocket?

Caller 1: I haven’t the slightest idea about that.

Ernst Zundel: All right, how many of the, …

Caller 1: Let me ask you one last question.

Ernst Zundel: How many of the Canadians. Hang on for a moment. Do this one by one. Okay.

Caller 1: Yeah.

Ernst Zundel: You thought you could bring in a couple of good points and let me answer them.

Caller 1: Yeah.

Ernst Zundel: Those people that designed Liberator bombers.

Caller 1: I haven’t the slightest idea.

Ernst Zundel: Jews themselves.

Caller 1: Liberator bombers?

Ernst Zundel: That turned Dresden into a fiery inferno.

Caller 1: Are you? You’re not serious, are you?

Ernst Zundel: I’m dead serious.

Caller 1: The more you talk. You know, you’d be smart if you hung up right now. The more you talk you give yourself away.

Ernst Zundel: Why are you afraid you’re losing the argument?

Caller 1: No, what’s the point of bringing Dresden into this?

Ernst Zundel: Because in Dresden the estimates are apart from Mr. Peter Lust that was invited by Walter Ulbricht at his expense to go behind the Iron Curtain. I think Mr. Irving in England wrote a book about it.

Caller 1: Yes, I read the book. I read the book.

Ernst Zundel: All right. He says 300,000 people got killed in one single bombing raid.

Caller 1: Yeah, well, if the Germans had been smart in 1933 and they sat on Hitler, they wouldn’t have killed in 1944.

Ernst Zundel: We are not talking about who is smart. We are talking about what crimes.

Caller 1: Well, the Germans themselves were responsible for it. That was no crime. I’m against it. I’m against killing anyone. I wouldn’t have killed that one. You know, I’m against killing everyone. But once you start on that road, once you start on that road, that’s the way you end up.

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Ernst Zundel: Yes, but anyway, doesn’t that answer my original argument again?

Caller 1: No, it has nothing to do with it because the people, …

Ernst Zundel: Wernher von Braun should have shot himself?

Caller 1: Yes, absolutely! Before even trying to [word unclear].

Ernst Zundel: Just a minute. Air Vice Marshall Harris that was in charge in England of the bombing of Dresden. There over 300,000 people, mainly refugees and women in an undefended city. It was called an “open city” via the Red Cross from Geneva. There was not one fighter plane that protected it. No [words unclear].

Caller 1: I can just imagine Hitler doing that. Well, my dear chap, I mean this is the information you get from what side?

Ernst Zundel: These 300,000 people got killed. I don’t see Air Vice Marshall Harris shooting himself.

Caller 1: That’s hardly a comparison, you know. Air Marshall Harris was fighting against an aggressor. It was Hitler that started the war!

Ernst Zundel: Well, you know, finding out [word unclear] is very interesting because, …

Caller 1: I see. As I told you’d better hang up. The longer you talk, the more you give yourself away.

Ernst Zundel: Just a minute. We’ll come back to it because you, …

Caller 1: You certainly sound like a six year old.

Ernst Zundel: Fine. I’m taking history at Sir George Williams University, sir. And you know what they are teaching us there? That at the very same time, I think it’s Sep 9, 1939, that Hitler walked into one side of Poland, Stalin walking to the other side of Poland. He occupied half of Poland and Hitler occupied the other side of Poland.

Caller 1: Two birds of a feather.

Ernst Zundel: Pardon?

Caller 1: So how does that make Hitler less an aggressor?

Ernst Zundel: If you are fighting the aggressor. Your point was that Air Vice Marshall Harris was fighting an aggressor?

Caller 1: That’s right. Hitler walked into Czechoslovakia, …

Ernst Zundel: Just a minute. Why was Air Vice Marshal Harris not also bombing Moscow?

Caller 1: They weren’t fighting with Moscow? Moscow wasn’t the enemy.

Ernst Zundel: Moscow was an aggressive, just as much as Hitler was!

Caller 1: Yeah, but Moscow hadn’t attacked England. Moscow wasn’t firing V2s at England. Besides that Hitler had, …

Ernst Zundel: [words unclear] aren’t you?

Caller 1: No, no. Yeah, you give yourself away.

Let me ask you one last thing. Let’s get back to 1968. Let’s get back to 1969.

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

Caller 1: We follow your advice. The Israeli government from the $14 billion plus the $7 billion it’s got for the individuals.

Ernst Zundel: I didn’t say that.

Caller 1: Incidentally, is that the word that the Germans are using reparations that they paid to Israel?

Ernst Zundel: No.

Caller 1: What word do they use?

Ernst Zundel: In German they call it [word unclear] That means “to make good again”.

Caller 1: I see, Right. It’s not reparations since Israel wasn’t at war with Germany, right?

Ernst Zundel: And then some Germans wonder if Israel didn’t exist as a state, why Germany should pay for it as it didn’t exist?

Caller 1: Yeah, that’s a good question. Do you wonder that too?

Ernst Zundel: No, but I’m just pointing out to you.

Caller 1: Let me ask you guys. Let’s carry on then here, eh? You say you’re suggesting to solve the problem in the Middle East. East that Israel with its $14 billion and its $7 billion.

Ernst Zundel: I didn’t say 14 billion and 7 billion. You got the figures wrong. You should listen more closely, let hear what you want to hear.

Caller 1: Didn’t you say that the reparations, so-called, to Israel was $14 billion and the money paid to individuals was $7 billion? Isn’t that what you said?

Ernst Zundel: No, I didn’t.

Caller 1: What did you say?

Ernst Zundel: I said that under the treaty with the state of Israel directly, Germany made payments to the state of Israel to the tune of $3, 450,000,000. And this, …

Caller 1: What’s the 14 billion dollar figure?

Ernst Zundel: Pardon?

Caller 1: What’s the 14,000,000,000 dollar figure?

Ernst Zundel: I said up to 1969 all the reparations by policy paid to individuals, to the state, people living outside Israel was $14 billion.

Caller 1: Including people living outside Israel?

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

Caller 1: What’s that got to do with the Israeli government?

Ernst Zundel: Okay, I’ll try. I’ll do it slowly for you. Okay.

I said separate treaty. One is between Israel as a state, you know as a state government of Israel?

Caller 1: Yeah.

Ernst Zundel: Between the Bonn government and the Israeli government. Money involved in that?

Caller 1: Yes, that’s 3, 450,000, you say.

Ernst Zundel: And there were payments involved between Israeli and between jewish individuals and carrying Israeli passport. But they don’t have to live in Israel, because Germany allows a dual citizenship in the case of a jew. Do you understand?

Caller 1: So you’re not including the figure of German ex-German refugees who had never gone to Israel? You’re not adding in that figure? You know, not all German refugees went to Israel.

Ernst Zundel: I know that.

Caller 1: So you’re talking with German refugees who either went to Israel and left or else they got the Israeli passport and here’s the passport. Okay, well this is a small thing. The first thing, let me repeat that you better, you’d better go to the Israeli consulate and find out what their side of the story is. Now in addition to that, let’s take your figure for what it. Let’s take your figure for what it may be. I accept your figure!

Ernst Zundel: Israel and James Weissman and David Ben Gurion and Levy Ashbolt, they have never quarrelled with these figures. Because these figures are open for everyone to see, including Mr [word unclear]

Caller 1: I accept them all. I’m not quarrelling with them either. I accept them in total, including your translation into German Reichmarks, so it sounds like 50 billion. But I’m not quarrelling with that. You’re suggesting, you’re suggesting, …

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Ernst Zundel: Just a minute. I’m afraid I have to translate it into German marks because Germany doesn’t deal in [word unclear] or in [word unclear].

Caller 1: Yeah, but what purpose was there for you to mention German marks at all? All Canadians can understand dollars.

Ernst Zundel: It’s the currency to start with, ..

Caller 1: Yeah, I know, but you you said whatever the figure was 50 billion Marks. That sounds like $50 billion to someone not listening carefully.

Ernst Zundel: One second after I gave it in dollars. So look, don’t, …

Caller 1: Yeah, okay.

Ernst Zundel: You’re terribly suspicious, I must say.

Caller 1: So we’ve got whatever billions of figures you got there. And you’re suggesting that they should take some of this money and pay to whatever refugees are within their reach. Well, how much to each one.

Ernst Zundel: Nope. The last time I suggested. And this is my suggestion as an individual, it’s not a German government policy. They would be horrified if they heard me discuss this problem anyways because they’re such cowards when it comes to this.

Caller 1: What have you got to do with them? You said you’re a Canadian. What do they care what you say? What do they care what you say?

Ernst Zundel: I’m just declaring it to you.

Caller 1: Yeah, okay. So what’s your figure? 500 bucks a piece?

Ernst Zundel: No, I said commensurate with what they lost. And this is very easy.

Caller 1: But they didn’t lose anything, you see. They weren’t chased away. They left of their own accord, as you said yourself, because the legislation, the agreement, or rather the resolution that was passed at the United Nations at that time in 1947, which divided Palestine, remember not including Jordan, just Palestine, west of the Jordan, into two states, gave to the Israelis only that part of Palestine which was generally occupied by jews on land which they had bought from the effendis, and for which, incidentally, they also paid the peasants who didn’t own it at all!

In other words, these refugees didn’t leave from any land which at that time belonged to the jews. They left of their own accord, as you have yourself admitted on broadcast. On broadcast from their Arab neighbours. Okay, now, so what should, what should they be compensated for?

Ernst Zundel: Let me continue. First of all, many people that left were not peasants. Many of them were, …

Caller 1: I didn’t say that they were peasants. Those that left from [word unclear] weren’t peasants.

Ernst Zundel: You know, in other words.

Caller 1: But they weren’t chased away.

Ernst Zundel: Look, this wasn’t my argument at all! You’re always trying to put words in my mouth. I didn’t say that you don’t have to be hostile.

Caller 1: So why should they have to be recompensed for what I said?

Ernst Zundel: Oh, hold on. Look, tonight when I came on again, if Israel is in need of allies, which I think she is, and Israel says she is, then those 2 million Arabs would be very good allies.

Caller 1: What makes you think that?

Ernst Zundel: What makes me think that?

Caller 1: Yes.

Ernst Zundel: Because these people are, I’m sure, very tired of living in tents. They would be very good friends of Israel if they thought that the Israelis were giving them a hefty deal than the Arabs.

Caller 1: And it’s your speculation that if they were paid by the Israelis, they would suddenly become friends of the Israelis. Is that your speculation?

Ernst Zundel: Hold on, those Arabs that are living in Israel since 1948, you yourself and every other jewish caller that called said they are treated like an Israeli, they are prospering, they have all the military service and everything else.

Caller 1: Okay.

Ernst Zundel: Are they hostile to Israel?

Caller 1: Generally speaking, no.

Ernst Zundel: Okay. You see what I mean?

Caller 1: No, but it’s hardly the same thing, you know.

Ernst Zundel: It’s the same thing. Right now hundreds of thousands of Arab refugees are living in territory administered by Israel.

So what I was suggesting was extend the same policies that you, …

Caller 1: That’s not the same. That’s not the same policy, at all! You know, if you were to pay them whatever figure you think would be adequate, would they be then brought back to Israel or would they be left where they are? Where would they go? With their little payment, with their little check? Where would they go?

Ernst Zundel: Hold on for a minute. It would be in the interest of Israel, I suppose that they would settle them somewhere, which I think Israel is trying to do.

Caller 1: In Israel? In Israel? In Israel?

Ernst Zundel: No, in the new territory.

Caller 1: What new territory? The Israelis aren’t keeping those territories.

Ernst Zundel: According to the Montreal which I have in front of me, it says that these territories are called the “new territories”.

Caller 1: These territories are called the new territories?

Ernst Zundel: Right.

Caller 1: What date? What story is that?

[News Break]

Radio Host: You had a question you wanted to ask? Go ahead.

Caller 1: The other end is not just taking up your time. But he considered what he suggested, a practical solution to the problem. Now does he consider. We didn’t finish before we went to the news. Is he suggesting, if I may be wrong, suggesting that these people would, the refugees would come into Israel to get paid.

In other words, the one and a half million who are now outside would have to return to Israel. They would get to pay whatever. He didn’t specify what amount of, let’s say, several hundred dollars. And they would remain in Israel, Is that the suggestion?

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Ernst Zundel: I can’t decide where they wanted to go, where Israel wanted them to. It’s entirely up to them. But my main point in bringing up the payment angle is that I know that those people live on handouts from the United Nations and they are always in every story that we hear and read it, that they were dispossessed by the Israelis.

Caller 1: Yeah, but this. Yeah, I know, but, …

Ernst Zundel: You see what I mean, it would be a good point as far, not as a publicity stunt, I wouldn’t want to say it that way. But it would be a great deal in the favour of Israel as far as the world situation is concern. And specifically for those small Arab people, whether they be peasants or herdsmen or former storekeepers. To them, I’m sure it would show the goodwill of Israel and it would make life out of every statement that emanates from Beirut or from Cairo as [word unclear].

Caller 1: It doesn’t require this to show up the statements that emanate those countries as lies tell people to those people.

Ernst Zundel: People with a full stomach and a square meal and more comfortable mud hut rather than a, …

Caller 1: But don’t you don’t, in the first place, if you base your suggestion on the moral question that they were dispossessed by the Israelis, therefore the Israelis would look better in the eyes of the world by recompensing them in one way or another. This is from a false start because they were not dispossessed by the Israelis.

This point has been made time and time again! And it doesn’t matter how often uninformed people say that they were dispossessed by the Israelis, it still doesn’t make it true, because you can’t turn back history and say because it’s repeated, therefore it becomes true. The only reason there should be any compensation, I mean, if the Israelis had it and if other governments had it, they should give it to their human being.

But from a practical point of view, I don’t see, looking at the way the Arab governments around there operate, I don’t think it would make any difference whatsoever to forming, to getting peace with the Arab countries. This is what the Israelis are after. They want to sit down with Egypt and with Jordan and with Syria, if Syria can stay on one seat for a long enough time and sign a peace treaty after 20 years.

Now, how payments to the refugees who would either be kept after that they can’t be admitted to Israel because Israel hasn’t got room for them. What they would do with the money, that they would go to Amman or they would go to Cairo. Those countries could have taken them before and they didn’t. They kept them there for a special purpose. And for you to think that because they will get several, on the contrary, it’s very likely that what would happen if they got the money, it’s such an impractical suggestion. How would the money get to them outside? Would they be in checks or in cash? In Jordanian money and Egyptian money? You know, if they got it, they would probably end up in their mind having the money taken from them by those governments. What makes you think that if they were to receive that money, it would make the slightest difference in the attitude of the Arab governments, the Arab governments to Israel?

Ernst Zundel: First of all, I have to. Maybe I am naive, I doubt it. But the point is, if Israel wants to have peace, it is obvious that the Arab government for the last, 20 years, the government, the cliques in power, whether they be the Bath party, whether they be the colonels of Nasser or whatever they are, those in power are not speaking for the small peasants, but they are using those peasants as a weapon and as a tool.

Caller 1: Let me ask you something. Have you been to the Middle East?

Ernst Zundel: No, I haven’t.

Caller 1: Have you never been to Turkey?

Ernst Zundel: No, I haven’t.

Caller 1: Or Egypt? None of those countries?

Ernst Zundel: Have you been to the moon?

Caller 1: Yeah. No, no, I’ve been to those countries and it doesn’t make the slightest bit of difference what the peasants think. It’s the colonels that are in Cairo that matter at this point. I don’t see what the peasants, how the peasants [words unclear] at all!

They’re medieval countries, you know.

Ernst Zundel: I don’t see that the [word unclear] himself has stopped across the border, planted a mine in the market in Jerusalem and blown up 10 Israelis.

Caller 1: He might as well have. What difference does it make? He tolerated the people who did it.

Caller 2: Not partial at all! This is the World Almanac of the 1966 Yearbook of Britannica. Now, there’s no bias in there or any prejudice. I will quote you if I may.

Ernst Zundel: Right. Well, I got my figures from an almanac too.

Caller 1: Oh, okay. The overall picture, this is page 430. Under the topic of Israel. The overall picture was one of continuing prosperity and expansion, tempered by a growing balance of payments problems which was expected to become more serious because of the ending of the German reparations payments. This I assume, is in 65, which had ended.

Ernst Zundel: [words unclear]

Caller 2: Just a minute.

Ernst Zundel: World Almanac reparations payment too.

Caller 2: These had accounted for about $70 million annually. Now, if you carry that for 20 years, that would be a total of 1, 400,000,000. Which does not come anywhere close to your figures.

So how do you account for that? This is to the state of Israel, money reparation.

[45:22]

Ernst Zundel: Well, how do I count for that?

Caller 2: You said 7 billion.

Ernst Zundel: I thought I went to the horse’s mouth.

Caller 2: I beg your pardon.

Ernst Zundel: I thought I went to the horse’s mouth.

Caller 2: Yeah, but you went to the wrong horse.

Caller 1: Your zoology is all wrong.

Ernst Zundel: It’s the person that pays the Bill usually less in funds than the person that, …

Caller 1: He usually tries to build up what he paid, though.

Radio Host: Well, in terms of Britannica, though, I would assume that to arrive at any figure they would go to more than both sides. Again you have to, …

Caller 1: Definitely! And through the fact that it involves the changing of funds into international currency of some kind.

Radio Host: Right. Well, when we use the term dollar, it is accepted that it is the American dollar.

Caller 1: Yes, that’s right. That’s the international currency.

Ernst Zundel: Hold on for a moment. I’m mulling this thing over here.

Caller 1: Yeah, it’s probably 7 billion in Reichmarks is that would make it a billion 400,000!

Radio Host: Yes, it wouldn’t it?

Caller 1: Yeah, 7 billion Reichmarks would make it a billion 400,000.

Ernst Zundel: The ratio is not.

Radio Host: No, the ratio is 3 to 1, isn’t it?

Caller 1:5 to 1.

Ernst Zundel: No, no.

Caller 1:4 to 1. Something around there.

Ernst Zundel: It’s now 32 cents per mark.

Caller 1: That’s now. So that’s now. The dollar has fallen. The Mark is up, is very strong.

Radio Host: Right. So there are three marks in the dollar, roughly.

Ernst Zundel: No more. There’s, …

Radio Host: Well, like in terms of 31 billion marks, you got your figure. $10 billion.

Ernst Zundel: Roughly. Yeah.

Radio Host: I mean, we’re being rough, but you know.

Caller 1: So you speak German? Maybe they told him in Germany he doesn’t understand!

Ernst Zundel: Very funny, very funny!

Radio Host: Well, anybody can look it up if they have Britannica.

Caller 1: Yeah, of course, you shouldn’t argue with [word unclear].

Radio Host: Anyway, this is curious. I’m looking up to find, you know, where I. Again, you see, there are cross indexes here and I have the United Nations roster to find out, you know, where to find West Germany. I can’t find them on the roster here.

Caller 1: Look for it on the Republic of West Germany.

Ernst Zundel: No no, West Germany is not a member of the United Nations.

Radio Host: I was coming to that conclusion and I was afraid to say so, but it appears it is not a member of the United Nations.

Caller 1: I wonder why?

Ernst Zundel: Germany wasn’t at the time considered to be fit to be part of member nation.

Radio Host: Well, well, well, there are 124 members. Neither Germany is here.

Ernst Zundel: No, neither will you find, I think South Korea and North Korea. Neither South Vietnam and North Vietnam.

Radio Host: That’s right. They’re not here.

Ernst Zundel: That’s right.

Caller 1: Let me go on. Can I go on for something that has a similar, two similar suggestions that are made that relate somehow to your suggestion, it’s a speculation as to whether what you do will have the desired effect. You know, Israel can pay out this two or $3 billion or whatever it happens to be, and it should go down the drain, down the Suez Canal and hear no more about it. And they should be just as violent.

So it would be a pretty dangerous thing for Israel to carry that out on your say so.

Let me ask something else now. It is suggested that Israel, in the case of this attack on Beirut, that as a matter of fact, the message came the Pope after he had been criticised for his first statement, he made another statement which wasn’t a very satisfactory either one. It sounded like he was saying:

“Well, you’re both wrong, so both stop fighting.”

It suggested that if the Israelis wouldn’t retaliate, which is what they’re being charged with, that the Salahi, that the Al Fatah and the terrorists would stop crossing the border.

Now, anyone who thinks that if the Israelis would not respond, then the people on the Jordanian side, the terrorists would stop, you know, must be out of his mind! What else can the Israelis do if they’re being shot at? They shoot back. You know, they were to stop in order to conform to what the Pope suggests and other very kind people are suggesting that they should stop escalating it. They’ll be run over!

Ernst Zundel: The jews have a law, a eye for a eye, a tooth for a tooth.

Caller 1: Oh, come on now!

The next thing you’re going to tell me, the next thing you’re going to tell me is that I belong to a tribe. You know, you sound like something out of the Middle Ages!

Ernst Zundel: Well, Life magazine has [word unclear] that.

Caller 1: I don’t care what Life magazine does! You know, what’s this “eye for an eye” business? That went out of fashion 2500 years ago!

Radio Host: Well, it’s back in vogue now because it’s interpreted by many as referring to transplants! [chuckling]

Caller 1: Israel is clear that the reason for their attack on the Beirut airport, and they made specific, they made very good, very good care that no one should be hurt, was to teach the Arab countries around there that the Israeli Airlines was not something that could be just thrown away. They had to show them it wasn’t an eye for an eye. It wasn’t revenge of any kind. It was to teach them that if they carried on the path that they were following that they would suffer for it! Which would make them stop. And this has been the reason for all the Israeli so-called retaliation. What they get is the time of peace. And usually it has happened. There has been hardly any fighting around this way because the Israelis hit back hard!

[50:39]

Ernst Zundel: Every news commentator that I have listened to from the United States, from Europe and the GDC, they all say that these terrorist organisations have succeeded in their primary aim and that is to make Israel overreact. Would you say Israel overreacted?

Caller 1: No, I wouldn’t. I don’t see how she could overreact. I don’t see how she could overreact by destroying 13 aeroplanes in exchange for human life. That’s not an overreaction.

Ernst Zundel: [words unclear]

Radio Host: How’s that?

Ernst Zundel: Everybody else seems to think so. Including [word unclear].

Caller 1: Now, tell me something. What difference does it make in a question of right and wrong what everybody else thinks?

Ernst Zundel: Well, first again there is your right and there is they are wrong and there is you’re wrong and they are right.

Radio Host: Okay, just before somebody calls up and correct us on it, let me correct it.

As far as the Deutsche marks is concerned, there are 3.988 per US dollar. Okay gentlemen. The last gentleman who is on the line. Are you satisfied with the point you made?

Caller 2: Yeah. I have one more point to make.

Radio Host: What is it, sir?

Caller 2: Have you ever heard of the flying carpet notion whereby about a million jews would [word unclear] all the Arab countries including Yemen, Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt and Syria, were all thrown into Israel without a penny in their pockets and it was the Israeli government who undertook them, closed them, fed them and gave them jobs. They came into Israel without a penny in their pocket.

Radio Host: Right. Well, in terms of restitution or reparation, it has been suggested by our caller that these people be included.

Caller 2: Yes, but why they forgotten? When everybody talks about the Palestinian refugees, what about these people?

Radio Host: Well, as was suggested when I when mention it that it had not been mentioned before. It’s a suggestion from a staff member who was in the booth with me at the time.

Caller 1: Would the restitution come from the Arab government? They should be the ones responsible because that’s where they came from.

Caller 2: Exactly!

Caller 1: And can you imagine them doing it?

Ernst Zundel: Well, look, why don’t give them the benefit of the doubt.

Caller 1: Give whom the benefit of the doubt?

Ernst Zundel: The Arab government, put you on the spot.

Caller 1: Are you a journalist? Did you say you’re a journalist?

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I’m a journalist.

Caller 1: Why are you dreaming? Why are you having these dreams?

Ernst Zundel: You know something? I have to make a very basic point here.

Caller 1: Yes.

Ernst Zundel: You people. And this is so evidently so when you listen to these open lines. You are extremely sensitive! And you are always having such a perfect taste.

Caller 1: It has nothing to do with this! It has nothing to do with it!

Ernst Zundel: I’m a fan of Sherlock Holmes and of Perry Mason and you know about Perry Mason? Everybody that watches television, you know what Perry Mason does? He usually investigates the guy with the perfect alibi first.

Caller 1: Do you know something else? I’ve listened to you two evenings. I haven’t heard you say a good thing about the Israelis.

Ernst Zundel: I haven’t?

Caller 1: No.

Ernst Zundel: Well, my suggestion was that they should possibly pay restitution.

Caller 1: What kind of a good thing is this? This is the sort of a dream that has no relation to reality.

Caller 2: Can I bring in another point just for a second? It says here in the same yearbook, just a little bit smaller paragraph below, it says:

“A new series of terrorist attacks in border areas originating mainly in Jordan and Syria and later also in Lebanon, began during the year.”

Now, this is back in 65.

Caller 1: Of course, this is true. I was in Israel last spring. I was shooting a film there. And part of my filming was along the Lebanese border. There was an old synagogue about three miles from the border. Just about three hours after I had passed there and done my work, a mine was blown up. Now, this was way over, way over near the Western, near the Mediterranean Sea, just south of the Lebanese border.

Now, for any Jordanian or Syrian to have been able to go all the way from there east of the Jordan to plant that mine would have been impossible. This was a Lebanese mine. And there have been incidents from Lebanon time after time after time! The Israeli intelligence is excellent! As a matter of fact the Jordanians have just today hunt two spies, or they call them spies who are spying for Israel, if you can imagine that.

So the Israeli intelligence is pretty good. When they say that they know what’s going on inside Lebanon, I’m pretty sure that they know.

[54:56]

Ernst Zundel: Yeah, I agree with you.

Caller 1: Okay?

Ernst Zundel: That’s a good thing to say about Israel?

Caller 1: Well, you’re absolutely impossible! Here you have a country. You know, I feel, when I read my, I don’t understand it when I read my Bible, I feel embarrassed about something that the Israelites did 2,000 years ago. I say:

“Why should my people have behaved like that?”

You know, I’m not really guilty, but I feel sorry that they should have. That it shouldn’t be one of our traits. Here you have a people in the Middle East whose only existence., … Now, I’m not a Zionist, that’s why I’m saying this. Whose existence, Israel is due solely at this point in history. Who knows when they might have created, if at all! At this point in history, it’s due solely to the behaviour of your people! You see, and you have the gall, the chutzpah to come along on a public show and to make criticism of them, why they’re there they shouldn’t have been there in the first place or something else.

Ernst Zundel: Did I say that?

Caller 1: Well, you certainly suppose that from the way you talk.

Radio Host: Well, again, you see, the caller accused you of hearing what you want to hear before, and this is evidence of it. He never did say that.

Ernst Zundel: I would be perfectly happy to give you the Arab case. What they say:

“Why you shouldn’t be there, if you want to.”

Radio Host: Well, I don’t know if any of you are listening on my Saturday morning program. Late in the program, we did get someone who outlined it on Viewpoint Tonight. If any of you are watching, it was outlined again. There are three sides to this story. There’s the Israeli side, the Arab side, and the truth!

Caller 1: Well, of course, that doesn’t necessarily follow. It’s possible that one of the two sides is true.

Radio Host: Unfortunately, no. This is, it’s just like in the case of a divorce or anything else. There’s his side, there’s her side, and then there’s the truth!

Caller 1: That’s very clever. But in an actual situation where you have two antagonists, it’s very possible that one of the side is more right than the other.

Radio Host: According to whom, though? You see, according to the Israelis, they’re right. The Arabs are wrong. According to the Arabs, they’re right. The Israelis are wrong.

Now, I’m not saying to be objective. I do not believe anyone can be objective. And I don’t care who says that you can be objective in this case. All I say is that you should be fair!

This is why I am accused by Arabs of being anti-Arab and I’m accused by Israelis of being anti-Israeli.

Caller 1: That’s quite unfair to you because you have to be fair as a moderator and present both sides of the coin. I can understand the Arab point of view, although I think it’s wrong.

Radio Host: Yeah. But on this issue, I’m the only host of a programme on this station to my knowledge that is getting threats against my life and so on over this issue.

Caller 2: It won’t come from me. I think you’re pretty good.

Caller 1: What I was going to say is this. If you take the Israeli and the Arab position, the Israelis have nowhere else to go. There’s some suggestion made that on the part of so-called anti-zionist and some Arab books I’ve read and articles that the European jews. Let me state now several things here, that the European jews who are now in Israel who came from Eastern Europe should go back since they’re not Mediterranean, but they’re probably descended from the Khazari who were a Turkish people in the Crimea 1300 years ago. That they’re really Europeans, blue eyed, blonde, so they shouldn’t be in Israel at all! You can well imagine this kind of a suggestion that Ben Gurion, who was born in Russia, that the Russians would let him back into Russia.

In other words, he’s going to stay there. Certainly the Israeli disciples who were born there are going to stay there.

And can you imagine the Yemenites who were born in [word unclear] to go back there? And the Egyptians to go back to Egypt? So it’s not very likely to happen.

Ernst Zundel: May I just come in here?

Caller 1: Let me just finish that. So the Israelis, when they say they are going to stay, they’re going to stay.

That’s one side of the coin. You can believe that’s their point of view and I can see their point of view and I don’t see how anyone else can. I mean, what’s wrong with that point of view?

But then you get the Arab side of it which says they’re going to drive them into the sea, get rid of them! Can that be correct as well? How can it?

Ernst Zundel: Well, can I come into the point here?

Caller 1: Yeah.

Ernst Zundel: According to The Jewish Encyclopedia, Volume 4, Pages 1 to 5, it deals with what you just outlined, the Khazars.

Caller 1: The Khazaris, yeah.

Ernst Zundel: Right. And it says in there:

“That the Khazar Empire, it was founded by Asiatic Mongol people in the first year after the birth of Christ and existed till about the 14th century.”

As you said. But it had its peak in the seventh and eighth century. These people were heathen and they’re converted to Judaism.

Caller 1: That’s true. Okay, so what’s that got to do with the Israelis right now? And the Mediterranean in 1969.

Ernst Zundel: This is on which much of the Arab argument is based on. If you had heard the UN debate.

Caller 1: Yeah, but you see, you’ve got to start from where you are. You can’t start from where you were 500 years ago. The Israelis are now. What is going to happen to Ben Gurion, for example? Would he go back to Russia?

[1:00:19]

Ernst Zundel: No, no. May I make a point here, a philosophic point, if I may?

Caller 1: Yeah. Okay.

Ernst Zundel: So the Arabs and [word unclear] that was speaking at the United Nations, he was horrified over CBC at the time of the Arab-Israeli war. He said precisely that.

In other words, he said:

“The Khazars were converted to Judaism or what was called then Talmudism.”

And like, …

Caller 1: Watch, watch it. What’s Talmudism? There’s no such thing. Just stick to what you know.

Ernst Zundel: Look, I’m quoting the Jewish Encyclopedia, volume 4 pages one to five, …

Caller 1: Talmudism? Okay.

Ernst Zundel: In the seventh century, Judaism. It wasn’t called Judaism. It was called Talmudism.

Caller 1: Oh, come on! I don’t know who wrote that, but this is all nonsense!

Radio Host: All right. Who wrote the Jewish Encyclopedia?

Ernst Zundel: I suppose a couple of anti-semites!

Radio Host: [chuckling]

Caller 1: So what? They disappeared. They disappeared in the 14th century. What’s that got to do with the German jews?

Ernst Zundel: They didn’t disappear. That’s precisely the point!

Caller 1: Of course they became Christians. They were absorbed into the Russian Empire.

Ernst Zundel: They didn’t become Christians.

Caller 1: Where are they?

Ernst Zundel: They were spread all over the Soviet Union, all over the Balkans. And this is why you have such a big amount of Eastern European jews. They are called the Khazars. And do you know, difference between the Sephardic and Ashkenazis?

Caller 1: The Khazars, …

Ernst Zundel: The total percent, the [word unclear] state. And the Jewish Encyclopedia has a map in the book. 80% of the world’s jewish population today are Khazars. In other words, they are converted!

Caller 1: What are you talking about?

Ernst Zundel: Precisely. That’s what the Arabs are saying.

Therefore. Just a minute now. Look, this is the argument. You have to look at their argument and you have to look at your argument and then we can arrive at something. That’s why the Arabs say that, …

Caller 1: Well, the Arabs don’t know what they’re talking about and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Because, … Let’s forget about it. Let’s forget about it!

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Ernst Zundel

Another Voice of Freedom Radio

Why World War II Started

Wed, Jun 15, 1994

[In this audio recording Ernst Zundel gives a brief “laymans” summary of why WW2 started. Key points:

Introduction to Voice of Freedom broadcast, hosted by Ernst Zundel

[1:30] Overview of Germany’s situation after World War I, including reparations and hyperinflation:

“Germany was condemned to pay reparations, huge amounts of reparations which were to only run out in the year 1988.”

[3:30] Rise of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party through democratic means

[5:00] International boycott called against Germany shortly after Hitler came to power

[6:30] Germany’s economic crisis and rumours of potential invasions by France or Poland

[8:00] Reichstag fire and Hitler’s implementation of emergency measures:

“Hitler used this as his means of introducing draconian repressive measures inside Germany ”

[10:00] Comparison to Canada’s use of the War Measures Act in 1970

[12:00] Hitler’s governance and Germany’s economic recovery in the 1930s:

“Hitler made Germany prosper. He made the trains run on time.”

[14:30] Hitler’s opposition to Communism and Bolshevism:

“Adolf Hitler was a strong opponent of Marxism. He considered it almost like an evil religion.”

[16:30] Germany’s actions leading up to World War II, including the invasion of Poland

[18:00] Hitler’s pre-emptive strike against the Soviet Union:

“Hitler knew that he was not strong enough to just merely defend himself against Russia.”

[20:00] Comparison of Hitler’s tactics to Israel’s actions in the 1967 Six-Day War

[22:00] Germany’s initial success against the Soviet Union and subsequent challenges

[24:00] European volunteers fighting alongside German forces:

“Europe’s men, we have to remember that the Hungarians, the Slovakians, the many Polish volunteers, Ukrainian volunteers, Danish, Dutch volunteers…”

[26:00] Framing of Germany’s actions as defending Europe against Bolshevism:

“The Germans defended Europe and European style civilisation against Soviet Bolshevism.”

Closing remarks.

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Ernst Zundel: You are listening to Another Voice of Freedom broadcast financed through the free will donations of listeners like yourself. I’m Ernst Zundel, your host and moderator. The opinions expressed by our guests or in editorials and stories are always those of the originators. We believe that personal opinions freely expressed are not a danger to any democratic society. We don’t have to agree with any or all of the opinions expressed by others. We owe it to ourselves, however, to listen, to evaluate, and to possibly learn something new or different in the process. You may reach us at 206 Carlton Street Toronto, Ontario, Canada, M5A 2L1. Telephone 1492-29850 [Note: All contact details out of date].

And now we have another interesting program for you.

I’m Ernst Zundel with Another Voice of Freedom program. A number of our listeners from around the country, and some even as far away as Europe, have contacted us about our recent programs relating to D-Day and the period in Europe after D-Day, and some of our revisionist viewpoints that we hold on this topic. Well, some of them complained that I, in my programs had not spelled out in more detail what the Second World War was all about and how it came about.

So let me try to give it a layman’s overview. Nothing academic, just a layman’s overview. The Germans in the First World War were defeated by a coalition of forces, and the German government under the Weimar Republic was asked to sign a treaty in Versailles. And one of the stipulations of that treaty was that the Germans had to declare themselves solely responsible for the First World War.

And of course, with the loss of Germany’s territories in the east, coupled with this slap in the face for the entire German nation, who knew that they had not been solely responsible for this tragedy, which was the First World War. This meant there was a fertile soil for nationalists, or even extreme nationalists to agitate against the existing order of things.

Germany, you must understand, was under some form of Allied tutelage, was under military occupation in some regions. Germany was condemned to pay reparations, huge amounts of reparations which were to only run out in the year 1988! I want to repeat that these massive billions of dollars worth of gold marks of reparations the Germans were to pay to the Allies, were to be running till the year 1988. That was reparations the Germans had to pay for the First World War.

The reason why I’m stressing that is because, of course, it bankrupted the German nation, led to hyperinflation where people were paid three times a day, mornings, noon and night, because the money devalued between breakfast and lunch, sometimes by millions of marks!

And so when men were receiving their paycheck, they didn’t go and bring a wallet at the end of the week, they usually brought a basket.

And finally, some of the store and shop owners paid their people every single evening, because hyperinflation was running away with the currency in Germany.

My own mother, a very simple young girl, said that she worked for a whole month and at the end of the month, all she could buy with her earnings for that month in 1923, was a stamp with which to send a postcard to her parents. That is what the situation was!

In that situation, Adolf Hitler, a very gifted young orator in Germany, started his struggle for power. And he struggled against those who had signed this shameful treaty in Versailles and against those who had imposed it on Germany. And he found increasing resonance amongst the German population. At first the working people, finally an ever increasing number amongst Germany’s students, then amongst the more middle classes, and finally even amongst the intelligentsia, meaning Professors, doctors, dentists, lawyers and so on.

Then Adolf Hitler democratically moved into the Reichstag, and because his party was the party that had Garnered most votes in a coalition with other nationalist forces, finally became the government of Germany in 1933, on 30 January.

While Hitler was struggling for power, he had said over and over in thousands of speeches and talks and articles in his party newspaper and so on, and many of his Members of Parliament, the Reichstag at that time said to the German population:

“Understand that a vote for National Socialism does not mean a change of government in Germany.”

In other words, it’s not a change of administration. It’s not the Democrats being replaced by the Republicans, or in the Canadian context, the Liberals replacing the Conservatives. He said:

“What you are doing with this election, it is a plebiscite on which way Germany is going to go.”

In other words, there are going to be some fundamental changes in German society. And he had outlined them to the German population quite openly and quite freely, what he thought Germany should look like in the 1930s. The Germans were not sucked into or conned into voting for yet another politician who had made all kinds of promises that he wasn’t going to keep.

My own mother and my own father, who had been unemployed for four years by the time Adolf Hitler finally did come to power, said that they had tried the Conservatives, they had voted for the Catholic Party, the Christian Center Party, they had even voted for the Social Democratic Party. Other Germans, disgusted by all this party wrangling voted for the Communist Party.

And there was a polarization of political opinion and political action and the political spectrum in Germany in the 1930s between the extreme Left and, yes, the extreme nationalist Right.

Hitler represented the Right, the forces of the Right, and together with a number of smaller parties, finally did form the government, as I said. And he was hardly in power when an international boycott was called against Germany.

And the reason why I’m mentioning this is because in the next few programs, we are going to take a look exactly at what happened in “Nazi Germany”, the way the popular press calls it, or National Socialist Germany, in Hitler’s Germany after he came to power.

[07:46]

Let me just say to you that in studying this period of time, I found that Germany was in a terribly shocking state! And that, for instance, in the state of Thuringia, which is in the east, the budget for social welfare was two thirds of the state’s budget was eaten up by social welfare. Two thirds. You can imagine, that means so many people were unemployed, were on the dole, were half employed and so on. A state cannot function with this kind of budget. And so a crisis was looming large in Germany.

Also, the foreign currency reserves of Germany had gone down to such a level that when the German economics minister mentioned this to the new government, Hitler was alarmed. It was down to some 480 million marks, which, for a trading nation like Germany that depended on financing exports and so on, it was virtually the death knell. Germany was, to all intents and purposes, bankrupt!

How to get out of this situation was what dominated the mind of the new government. And during this particular time, there were rumors around the world that they were going to be preventive wars. There was going to be an invasion of Germany either by France or by Poland or by both governments.

Now, at the time, these two countries were, in a European context, superpowers. You must understand that the Treaty of Versailles condemned the German government to a force of professional soldiers of 100,000 people, just 100,000 men! That meant the entire German armed forces could fit into the Berlin soccer stadium.

Now, picture that. The Berlin soccer stadium. The only weapons that they had were machine guns. When they were practicing with tanks, they were bicycles with cardboard cutouts made to look like tanks. Because Germany was the only totally disarmed country and it was forced to disarm under the Treaty of Versailles. Hitler knew all this. In other words, he was in absolutely no position to threaten anybody! Others were threatening his government.

And suddenly there were these news from North America that the jewish community in North America was Calling for an international boycott against Germany! There was a man called Samuel Untermeyer, who had gone to Amsterdam for a conference. And when he returned to the United States, he gave a nationally broadcast radio program in which he called for a holy war against Germany, a national boycott.

And naturally, Hitler’s ambassadors and consular officials reported that back to Germany. So did the media. Hitler was alarmed! Here was the threat of military invasion, economic strangulation. Inside Germany the communists were restive. And so Hitler did what other German Chancellors had done before him, perfectly Democratic measure to call out some kind of an Emergency Measures Act. In Canada, we would call it the War Measures Act.

Into this period fell a fire that was started by apparently a communist, or a man with communist leadings called Van der Lubbe, who tried to burn down the Reichstag, meaning the German Parliament. Apparently as some kind of a note to other Leftists, to start simultaneously all over Germany similar activities and to try to have an overthrow of the German government.

Now, I know that in Allied propaganda, Hermann Goering is supposedly himself having carried a canister of gasoline through some secret tunnels into the Reichstag, and he’s supposed to have had a kind of a hand in burning down the Reichstag. Well, perfectly independent people and historical commissions and inquiries by independent historians during, before, during and after the war have come to the conclusion that, in effect, the Nazis did not torch the Reichstag! That it was a canard put out by communist and Leftist propaganda.

Hitler used this as his means of introducing draconian repressive measures inside Germany, outlawing political parties, political movements, arrest without habeas corpus and so on. It was a typical emergency measure act!

Now, I want you immediately to understand this is not to excuse Adolf Hitler and him breaking the civil rights of Germans. I am just trying to explain to you that this is nothing new in European history, certainly absolutely nothing new of the period. And in Canada, as late as 1972, we had what they called “the invoking of the War Measures Act”.

Actually, it was earlier still, during the FLQ crisis, the Front des Liberation Qui Pequoi, which was a Leftist group that was blowing up mailboxes, the stock market building and so on. And the Canadian government, in perfect peacetime, prosperous, not surrounded by enemies that were trying to invade our country here, imposed a War Measures Act. I lived there during the time in Quebec, and I can assure you here is what happened.

Hundreds, many, many, many hundreds of French-Canadian activists who had been politically vocal in wanting to have separation between Quebec and the rest of the country were rounded up at night. 4:00, 5:00, 3:00 o’clock in the morning. And they were arrested without any legal representation. They were put into sports arenas, meaning concentrated into the same kind of area that Hitler would take his dissidents and so on in the early 30s.

They were kept in there. Some of them were kept in jails in Canada without having the rights that we normally have to be brought before a judge speedily and so on, because the War Measures act had declared a national emergency, saying that there was imminent danger to the survival of Canada as a society and as a state. And then your civil rights went out the window.

Well, that’s exactly what happened to Germans in the Hitler era, as soon as Adolf Hitler came to power, because there was this perceived threat to the German state, the overthrow of the German government. And Hitler invoked what he called the Enabling Act, where he spelled out what his moves were going to be.

And so Germany, that moment, became somewhat of a dictatorship. True, there were elections and there were plebiscites later on, but ultimately, Hitler governed Germany under this kind of draconian enabling legislation, which allowed him to forbid parties and movements and seize newspapers, outlaw publishing houses and stuff like this, very much the way the West German state has been doing in the last six to seven months.

[15:26]

And again, Germany has no threat of invasion. Germany has no threat that the state is going to be overthrown. Yet the ruling clique in power in Germany says:

“Oh, we have got political dissidents here that are getting entirely too testy. They are having these big marches of 4, 5, 10,000 people. Our police forces can no longer control them, meaning they cannot cow them into silence. And even 10,000 policemen last fall could not prevent a march in honor of Rudolf Hess, for instance. And so therefore, we are going to pass this draconian legislation.”

Which they tried to do recently on the 20th of June with their what they call crime bill. But the German Parliament, at that time, the Upper House, at least voted down this draconian law.

Well, in Hitler’s Germany they did not, because National Socialism at that time, as I said, had the superior numbers. And so Germany began to rebuild under those measures with limited freedoms, restricted freedom of expression. And Hitler managed by all kinds of means, which we are going to cover in future programs, to prevent the invasion by France and by Poland, to prevent the boycott from crippling and destroying the German economy. And Adolf Hitler and his government went on and governed Germany in peace time for another six years.

And by the year 1936, we are able already to absorb all the millions and millions of unemployed in Germany and the surrounding countries. Two million people worked as guest workers in Germany in 1937 and 38, at a time when the rest of Europe was, and America, may I say, and Canada was still very much suffering under a depression!

Hitler’s Germany was like a beautifully tended garden surrounded by a bunch of gardens full of weeds.

And of course, the envy of the people who tilled the gardens, meaning the governments of the particular day, was rife everywhere! Not the people. For instance, Hitler had this program where he was going to [actually did] send hard working miners and farmers and so on these cruise ships to distant places in North Africa, in Egypt, in Greece or in Norway.

And it was such a hit with the working people of Europe that ordinary people could actually go on cruises that England forbade the landing of these German cruise ships in British ports! Because rather than giving their own working people such a break, they found it much easier just to restrict German ships from landing and not getting British workers envious.

What I’m saying to you is Hitler made Germany prosper! He made the trains run on time. Things hummed in Germany. Germany broke all kinds of records on the ground, in the air, with cars, with planes. National Socialist Germany in peacetime was a progressive, thriving country. And the people that lived there during that particular time apparently kind of allowed this restricted freedom that they couldn’t have different opinions and so on. They traded social security, financial security, bread and butter stuff over freedom.

It has always troubled me that that’s the way it was, but that’s the way it was. I personally am far more of a believer in individualism and freedom than that particular generation. But the Germans, after all, if the majority does rule by their majority, and by constantly reaffirming Hitler in power and his government decided that was the way they were perfectly willing to live, who am I to say in 1994 that they didn’t have the right to do that?

Now, why did the war break out? Because apparently Hitler was a sworn enemy of Marxism, Communism, then called Bolshevism. And Europe had these Bolshevik uprisings, especially in Hungary, Romania. Also in the east, especially in Russia, where a lot of blood was spilled, where hundreds of thousands, millions we know today, tens of millions of people were butchered in the most gruesome way, worked to death in the Gulag, worked to death while building canals through mosquito infested swamps and so on.

Today, now that the archives are open and the mass graves are being found in the Crimea and in the Ukraine and in Russia proper. Mass graves that hold 200, 240, 300,000 people and we have only just scratched the surface.

So the Bolsheviks who were in the east, armed to the teeth, had always said that they believed in world revolution and they were appealing to the workers around the world in uprising after uprising.

I know, I’ve got a book in my bookshelves here about a communist uprising in Brazil. Then we had the communist uprising in Spain. It was known at that time in Europe that communism was a huge threat to Western values and Western civilization.

Adolf Hitler was a strong opponent of Marxism. He considered it almost like an evil religion. And when President Ford, and later on much more so President Reagan and President Nixon before them had certain anti-communist statements made, President Reagan was the one that coined the phrase “the evil empire”. Well, let me tell you, Adolf Hitler had called Bolshevism and the Soviet Union “an evil empire” already in 1920s! And had initiated policies to contain the evil empire in the late 1930s. Making what he called the anti-Comintern pact with Italy, Japan and Germany.

[22:05]

And he also knew from his intelligence services that Russia [Soviet Union], armed to the teeth as they were, were pulling together troops at the Eastern border.

And so he knew that they were going to attack Germany and Western Europe. How did he know? Because the German armed forces and the German spy system against communism worked. They had lots and lots of ethnic Europeans in the east who were siding with the German government. And so their information was excellent!

But when Hitler finally ended up in this terrible tragedy with Poland, which France and England used as a declaration, as the reason for a declaration of war against Germany, Hitler knew that he had to quickly finish the continental powers in a kind of a pre-emptive quick strike in order to keep his back free, because he knew that the Soviet Union was arming and ready and rearing to go and invade Germany from the East. Germany didn’t have enough land, enough depth, geopolitically speaking, geographically speaking, to absorb the massive invasion forces which were then beginning to build up on her Eastern Frontier.

And so, luckily for Germany, France was subdued quickly, Holland and Belgium also. And Hitler could now turn his attention to the east. By now, his air force, using the very latest in technology, high altitude planes, quite similar to the later the very famous U2 spy planes which Francis Gary Powers used to fly over the Soviet Union. Hitler had similar planes, not quite as sophisticated, of course, but he could penetrate with his reconnaissance airplanes, flying at tremendously high altitudes for the first time using pressurized cabins, way into the heartland of Russia.

How do we know it? Because we have books about it. One man has been on my mailing list for three decades. His name is George Pemler. George Pemler, P E M L E R. He has written a book called, Der Flug zum Don, published by Drufel publishing house in Germany, in which he details and shows with all kinds of photographs the massive build-up of Soviet forces on the German border.

And so Hitler knew that he was not strong enough to just merely defend himself against Russia. And so they decided to pre-emptorily strike at the build-up of the Soviet forces very much the way Israel did in a repeat policy. And many people said, using a copycat plan against the Arab world in 1967 with exactly the same results. The Israelis attacked air fields in Egypt, in Syria and in other places, in Jordan, destroying the planes on the ground. They attacked missile batteries, destroying them on the ground.

And once they were silenced, then the ground forces, Israel’s tank forces, could sweep through the desert, driving the Arab forces before them into the desert. And ultimately Israel scored a stunning defeat in a very, very short war called the Six Day War.

Hitler’s forces did exactly the same thing in 1941 in the east. And the German air force that was opposed by over 14,000 Soviet planes knocked down over 12,500 planes or bombed them underground within the first two weeks of the war. The German air force at that time had less than 4,000 3,750 planes. The same could be said for ground forces, tank forces and so on. It was not German massive armor that won this. It was superior German generalship and planning. And also the elandes, the spirit of the German troops.

However, they were unable to deliver a knockout blow against the Soviet Union, which the world had expected. Basically, we know today because of treason in German ranks! Treason was the reason for Hitler not winning the war against the Soviet Union. And this is why Germany got stuck in the east!

And this is why these huge battles of attrition in Stalingrad, where over 300,000 German men marched into Stalingrad and where only 6,000 of them came back after the Second World War from Stalin’s Gulag. 96,000 prisoners were taken. About 90,000 of them vanished!

And you wonder why there were so few planes, so few troops, so few tanks in the West. Well, I tell you, they were in the east defending Europe, Western Europe against the Soviet onslaught, against the hordes of the evil empire, as President Reagan would have called it.

And so Europe’s men, we have to remember that, the Hungarians, the Slovakians, the many Polish volunteers, Ukrainian volunteers, Danish, Dutch volunteers. Alone in Denmark, four times as many people were serving in the SS in the German armed forces of Danish nationality than were serving in the Danish armed forces and police! This is an incredible statistic which very few people know.

[See: The Epic Story of the Waffen SS – Leon Degrelle]

So Hitler’s Germany was defending Europe’s interest in the east. And this is why the Allies had such an easy time in the West. This is why the there were only 270 operational tanks and only 375 planes to meet the Allies’ 12,000 planes in the West. They were bleeding to death in the east for Europe. And so look at it in the context of a German or of Germany. The Germans defended Europe and European style civilization against Soviet Bolshevism.

And so this was the reason that I should have given you before we went into Normandy.

However, the next series of programs that you’re going to hear have to do largely with Israel and German jewish relations. And I think it is timely because very, very little has been said about this period in history and the German side of it.

I am Ernst Zundel speaking for The Voice of Freedom. Yes, I am a son of the Germans using the facilities of North American radio stations and the freedom guaranteed to me by the United States, Constitution, by the Canadian Bill of Rights, or the other way around, to bring you dissident or different information. And all I’m asking you is. You don’t have to believe me. Just open up your mind to our German viewpoint and our Germans.

We are located at 206 Carlton street in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Our postal code is M5A 2L1. Our telephone 416-922-9850 [Note: All contact details out of date]. Thank you very much.

Ernst Zundel here thanking you for your support.

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The Flipside with Monika – Ep 36 with Jürgen Neumann on Ernst Zundel – Mar 22, 2025 – Transcript

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Monika Schaefer

The Flipside with Monika – Eps 36 with

Jürgen Neumann on Ernst Zundel

Sat, Mar 22, 2025

[In this weekly podcast episode The Flipside with Monika on Republic Broadcasting Network, Canadian nationalist and author, Monika Schaefer continues her 3rd episode with Jürgen Neumann on heroic revisionist Ernst Zundel. Key points include:

At the start, the host Monica Schaefer introduces the show and guest Jurgen Neumann, who worked with Ernst Zundel as his right-hand man for decades.

Ernst Zundel was described as “an absolute giant” who revealed truths about World War II.

Jurgen discusses Zundel’s “Another Voice of Freedom” broadcasts starting in 1993, which included TV and radio programs.

The broadcasts faced opposition, including an incident where a US broadcasting facility was “burned to the ground”.

Zundel’s work was distributed through Public Access TV stations in the US.

In 1991, Zundel organized the “Leuchter Congress” in Munich, Germany. When the original venue cancelled at the last moment to sabotage it going ahead, the event was held on the street with speakers standing on a car, then a flatbed truck.

Zundel was arrested after the event but released on the promise to return for trial.

A caller, Joe, praises Zundel as a “true hero” and “one of the free speech pioneers”.

Jurgen recounts firsthand a 1984 pipe bomb attack by jews on Zundel’s building: “They had set off a pipe bomb, as the police discovered”.

In 1995, there was an arson attack on Zundel’s building while he was away. An eyewitness saw the arsonist but police never interviewed him.

A powerful mail bomb was sent to Zundel: “It was a bomb. And it was set to go off when the package was opened.”

The RCMP warned Zundel about a potential female assassin: “we have information that seems that there’s been assassin to assassinate you.”

Jurgen mentions having about 500 Ernst Zundel videos on his Bitchute channel “JohnRobinson101”.

Jurgen also has a PDF channel on archive.org called “Researcher_PDF” with related historical books and documents.

Throughout, the host and guest emphasize the importance of keeping Zundel’s memory and work alive.

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[Intro music]

[00:33]

Monika Schaefer: All right. Good evening. Greetings far and wide. You are listening to the Republic Broadcasting Network. It is Saturday, the 22nd day of March, 2025. And this is episode 36 of The Flipside with Monika. I am your host, Monika Schaefer. Welcome to the show today.

So I would just like to send a shout out to last week’s program. Last week’s show we had a twofer, you could say a doubleheader with Blackbird 9 on his famous Saturday Snack Shack show preceding mine. And we did the two hours together with my brother Alfred. And you can find those shows in the archives. And yeah, we had a good time with that. And I would just like to remind the listener that this is a listener supported network and we just would like it if we could keep this network on the air. So if you can, please do consider supporting the network.

And if you are already a supporter, thank you so very much for supporting the network. And I’ll just give you the numbers. You can go to the website, of course, at RepublicBroadcasting.org, you can find all the information there. Various ways to either send cash or check in the mail. The address is there and here are the numbers that you could call, 512-246-9549, or toll free number 1-800-724-2719. Okay, now I have return. Okay, great, thank you.

So after the bottom of the hour, I will give out the numbers for if you would like to call in and join us in our conversation. I have a return guest today. His name is Jurgen Neumann and he came on in episode 15 and 18. If after you’ve listened to this one and you think, gee, I want to listen to the archives of the previous two shows, you can find them from last fall, episodes 15 and 18.

So his name is Jurgen Neumann and he was, I guess you could say, the right-hand man for Ernst Zundel or Ernst Zindl, if you pronounce it in German, for several decades. And Ernst Zundel [24 April 1939-5 August, 20017] is no longer with us. He died a few years ago, may he rest in peace. But I consider him to be an absolute giant in terms of having been a man who helped us along tremendously in our quest for truth about what actually happened during World War II. And the narrative about World War II, at least for my generation, and I would say for all of us, is probably the most distorted and lied about event in history. Everything was turned on its head and was really backwards.

I mean, the things I grew up with learning in school and through (((Hollywood))) and through the mainstream media is completely upside down and reversed from what actually happened. And Ernst Zundel did much to reveal that to the world.

And of course, for his efforts, he was persecuted, prosecuted, jailed, all those usual things. A great man who had so much to offer to the world. So in our first episode, we talked a little bit about his own awakening. Ernst Zundel, he didn’t know the truth about World War II until he was a grown man. He was born in 1939, so he was a war baby. He’s from Germany. He came to Canada as a young man. I think he was 18 or so.

And so, yeah, in episode one [15], we went through that, talking about his awakening and then some of the trials and tribulations. In our second episode [18] that we had last November, we continued with that. We talked about the Leuchter Report or Fred Leuchter who went to Auschwitz and did some actual investigation of the physical place there, and then his various trials and things that happen. So we really went into quite a lot of detail with that.

So today we would like to expand on some of the, I guess you could say, the epic work that Ernst Zundel did because there was so much that he did through the years.

So, first of all, greeting Jurgen Neumann. Are you there? Frank, did you say that you were able to pull him up?

Okay, so I guess I’ll just carry on until you do get him back on there.

So I’ll just tell you a little story. I pulled up a video from one of Jurgen’s online platforms. Not sure if it was on his Bitchute or Odysee channel. And it just randomly pulled up a video of Ernst Zundel addressing a crowd of people back in, I think it was in the early 1990s, I’m not sure. And I couldn’t find it just now to refresh my memory. But something really struck me, and it was quite amusing. In the first few minutes when he was greeting the large crowd in the room, and it was packed, I don’t know, maybe 50 people or so. he told the audience that a jew that he had been talking to before this talk, and I think he was talking mainly about Adolf Hitler in this talk, and the audience was mostly young people. And Ernst Zundel addressed that point and was so delighted that there were so many young people in the audience, because he says:

“Usually I’m speaking to a lot of gray hairs!”

So there were a lot of young people there. They were very interested to hearing Ernst Zundel talk. And then he told about what the jew had said. He said:

“Oh, you could do that, talk in a telephone booth.”

And Ernst says:

“Well, this is a mighty big telephone booth!”

And everybody, of course, roared with laughter.

Now, some of the young listeners to this show might not even get the reference to the telephone booth because we don’t see too many telephone booths out there in public anymore. [chuckling] But you might know from old movies and such, that was a pretty small thing that was on many street corners back in the day before everybody had a phone in their hand or in their pocket, you see. So yeah. Do you have our guest on the line yet? No! Maybe. Okay, no problem.

[08:17]

So what we’re going to address today is radio, I think it was all by radio, perhaps Jurgen will correct me, it might have been with video as well, but it was called “Another Voice of Freedom” that Ernst Zundel did, these radio shows or these programs. And I think he carried that on for a number of years.

Oh, wonderful! Jurgen, are you there?

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, I am. After going through a jungle of static and all kinds of other stuff, looks like we’re clear and full speed ahead!

Monika Schaefer: We are good to go. So perfect timing. I just gave a little bit of an introduction, talked about our previous shows that we did, and then I told the little story about the phone booth that Ernst Zundel, you know, was told by this fellow that. Yes, so I told that story already. And then I just started talking about the fact that he did many programs on something called A Voice of Freedom. And I wasn’t even sure if that was just radio or if it was with visual as well. I’ll pass it over to you to tell us a little bit about that and maybe how many years he did that for this show called, Another Voice of Freedom.

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, we got into that when we got enough support to be able to get some reasonable consumer video equipment and audio equipment in order to make material that could be broadcast. And we started off with video TV broadcasting. Chose, Another Voice of Freedom as the title, and we started it in June 1993. So we decided to get our outreach out there, better than it was.

And so this is before the Internet was a big thing, and we certainly weren’t conversant with the Internet at all at that time. So therefore, we’re doing the best we can. And this was satellite broadcasting. Down in the US they have companies that will broadcast for you up on satellites. There’s old satellites that are floating around in space that no longer fit the needs of the people who originally put them up there and now they put up new ones. But the old ones are still kind of useful. So they sell these companies time on the satellites that are still useful at a cut rate.

And then we send them our material and then they will broadcast it on a given time. Usually it was on a Sunday evening. So that of course, once we started that first thing we do, Ernst did, was send copies of the programs to the media.

And of course they just, they were very excited about that one. So we got lots of interviews about that and newscasts about that they even showed clips of the videos that we sent them. And so it was quite a job. Eventually we ended up, I think we were broadcasting about 275 programs.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, wow!

Jürgen Neumann: A lot of work over a number of years. And of course our opposition, they got very upset. And within the first six months, [chuckling] I think they went to the broadcaster that we had at the time and they said, this is the way I understand it, right? The broadcasting facility of that company was burned to the ground! So consensus was it was probably because of Ernst. They contacted the broadcasting company and they said:

“Look, we don’t like this here. We want you to, basically to censor him. You shouldn’t be putting that on there. It’s hateful. It’s this, it’s that.”

And their reply was:

“Well, we don’t censor things. This is the United States. We have freedom of speech here. But tell you what, we will make a deal with you. If you like, you can make counter programs against him. And we will play it before his program or after his program or before and after his program. But we’re not going to censor.”

So therefore that’s probably why it had something to do with burning the place to the ground.

After that, anyway, we got another one and that worked out quite well. And then we also started doing radio programs as well at the same time. Our TV video broadcasts were like once a week, but the radio programs were like every day.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, wow!

Jürgen Neumann: So he had two programs. One was on an AM station and one was on an FM station right in the heartland of the U.S. It was quite a large reach.

And yeah, we were pouring out the material. I was the, of course, editor for the video parts of it, stuff. And we had another supporter who did all the audio stuff.

So yeah, we were going concerned for a long time, that’s for sure! I think we had for five or six hundred radio shows, I think. All this is like all half hour stuff, right. Et cetera. So yeah, it was really interesting. They were all wound up about that, needless to say.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, I’m sure they were! [chuckling]

Jürgen Neumann: And at about that time we had a lot of supporters down in the US and they have a thing down there called Public Access TV stations that they are required by law to have to allow local people to make content and broadcast content on their cable networks.

So a lot of them would contact us and request our shows. So we would mail them to them and they would broadcast them in their local communities. But it wasn’t all the same.

[15:05]

Monika Schaefer: Oh, it wasn’t all the same. Go ahead. Sorry.

Jürgen Neumann: No, I mean like we were making half hour programs, right. But some of the public access stations, they didn’t broadcast half hour, they broadcast one hour. So there we had to re-edit stuff and maybe make something new just to fit the one hour slot. And all the formats were kind of different too. Some stations had regular VHS tapes, some used SVHS tapes, some used 3 quarter inch pneumatic tape.

So we had to get into all these different formats so we could fill the orders and they could broadcast all our material down there. So that was also a going concern. And they really got upset about that one too!

Monika Schaefer: You must have been working hard, Jurgen, because I understand that you were basically the guy who was really the tech guy and Ernst, you know, he was busy with the actual talking and that kind of thing. Right? I mean, you must have been really learning and working hard because this would have been a lot of new stuff for you?

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, for some, yeah, it was pretty new. We were working an average of probably about 10 hours a day. And there for a while there when we were pumping a lot of material, we actually worked for about almost two weeks straight without a pause, about 12 hours a day.

So that was really something else. Certainly was happy when that was over. The big rush! Everybody putting it up. And then one of our supporters down in Canandaigua, New York, he had, they really came down on him a lot of the Holocaust lobby, I’ll call them, Shelley Shapiro and a bunch of these other, basically anti-revisionist jews who went down there and they put pressure on the station to cancel his broadcast and so on and so he was going to have a press conference and so Ernst went down there as part of the press conference and yeah, it was quite the thing.

They had police there, they had everything. One guy had a big boombox where he was cranking up some audio thing. I forget what it was offhand, but you know, trying to drown Ernst out from talking to the media and so on. Yeah.

So it took a better part of the day and the station actually got Ernst inside and interviewed him about that, what that was all about. That was nice to do that.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, of course! And it sounds like Antifa type of activities, doesn’t it? I mean these days that happens a lot with protests and then counter-protesters trying to scream louder or something so that nobody can hear the actual speaker. [chuckling] Yeah.

Jürgen Neumann: And if you want to know more about that incident, that’s in one of our another Voice of Freedom programs which you can find on my Bitchute channel. And it’s called. I forget the number of it, but it’s called Public Access and Freedom of Speech.

Monika Schaefer: So speaking of that, can people find all these, Another Voice of Freedoms on your Bitchute channel or your Odysee channel? Do you want to just tell people.

Jürgen Neumann: The BitChute channel is where the complete collection is on there.

It’s JohnRobinson101, all one word.

Monika Schaefer: Fantastic!

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah. So you can go through the whole works if you like. Lots of very good information on there.

Monika Schaefer: Indeed! It’s just heady times, I would say doing that. And just to put this into context for the listener, if you have aren’t fresh up on when things happened with Ernst Zundel and all his trials. The trials, the big Holocaust trials in Toronto, those were in 1985 and 1988. So this is after that.

[See: Andrew Hitchcock with Monika Schaefer on “Sorry Mom” — TRANSCRIPT]

So I think that’s absolutely fantastic that work that you both did! And yeah, so people can go and find those and listen to those and just there’s endless. You know, you can really learn a lot from those programs. You know the other thing that really caught my interest and we touched upon it in our last episode together that you and I did.

But then I started to learn a little bit more. And I’d like you to go into more detail about the Congress that Ernst Zundel organized in Germany called the Leuchter Congress. And things happened there [chuckling] made it very interesting. Can you get into that story, please?

Jürgen Neumann: Yes. It was by 1991. This is when the actual meeting took place. By that time Ernst has been on the wanted list for Germany, right. He’s a wanted man because of his revisionist activities. So they always after him, but that didn’t stop him. [chuckling] So he flew in somewhere else and then drove him to Germany. And he talked to all these people to organize this Congress.

Of course he wasn’t going to be officially part of it because otherwise he’d be arrested. But he was there anyway and helping them along. And it was one of the main organizers was a young man by the name of Ewald Althans [sp].

And so they got this whole thing together and they got speakers like all lined up like for revisionism, had people like Fred Leuchter, right, which they named the whole Congress after him. And French revisionist Robert Faurisson, Swedish revisionist Ditlieb Felderer, and of course famous British author David Irving, who hardly needs any kind of introduction or anything.

And then there’s another gentleman German former judge by the name of Wilhelm Stäglich. He wrote, he was back in the day, he was, I think he was part of an anti-aircraft unit as a young man around in the Auschwitz area.

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[Image: Wilhelm Stäglich]

So anyway he wrote a book about that. And of course he had been retired at the time. So they took away, I think most of his pension and took away his judge credentials and all that, for that.

So it was all set up and it was on. It’s going to be in Munich in one of the big museums there. They had a big hall for rent, very big hall, perfect for our purposes. So we get there, everybody, you know, gets to Munich, we’re all set to go and wa laa, the last moment the hall cancels! Needless to say we were a little bit upset about that. Our lawyer, our main lawyer, Jurgen Rieger, he went in there and you know, needless to try to get them to change their mind stuff, but they weren’t having any of that.

Monika Schaefer: I’ll just jump in here Jurgen, because this is classic, absolutely classic tactic of our opponents! They knew that Congress was taking place. They could have said:

“No, you can’t do it here!”

They could have done that I’m sure a month ahead or even months ahead. But this is a classic tactic. I’m sure that other people have heard of events or been at events where the same thing happens.

I had it happen in Jasper, little town of Jasper where I organized a speaker event. And my downfall or the disadvantage was that I did have time to organize this. And so people knew well in advance. And the last day before this event happened they were going to cancel me. But I kind of managed to actually get the woman who was on the board of this church hall. I talked to her for over an hour and at the end she says:

“Monika, you are very persuasive!”

But I’m talking about a small town where [chuckling] I had known this woman for decades. You know, so!

But there was a big storm. We could not have had it outside at all! But yes, I’ve heard of big events in big places where that happens. But do carry on and tell the story. What happened next?

Jürgen Neumann: I mean, yeah, they just try to get you to waste your time and your money.

So anyway, so everybody was kind of:

“Okay, what are we going to do about this? Everybody’s here, all the people are here, etc.”

So it was decided that:

“Okay, heck, we’re just going to do it right out on the street in front of the museum!”

And of course all the police were there, etc.

And so we started off with a car where the speakers would come up and they would open the door and you’d stand up, you know where you get into the car, you stand on that, look over the roof of the car and speak to the crowd. And those who couldn’t speak German. Then Mark Weber from the IHR, California, he was there and he would translate from whatever the speaker was saying in English to German.

Monika Schaefer: Institute for Historical Review.

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, review.

Monika Schaefer: Continue.

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, they have their own website, people can check that one out. They’re an excellent group to find all kinds of good solid intellectual information on these subjects. Plus they do a lot of political stuff.

Monika Schaefer: IHR.

Jürgen Neumann: Actually I think it might be IHR.org, okay, check both.

Monika Schaefer: But basically with the abbreviation IHR, not all spelled out is what you’re saying.

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, it’s just IHR.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, so people can find that. Okay, carry on.

Jürgen Neumann: After be talking for a while, Fred Leuchter got up and he initially wasn’t going to say much because who knows who’s going to get arrested for what. So eventually our lawyer who had been talking with the authorities came up to Leuchter and he said:

“Look, just been talking to the judges lawyer, showed him the Leuchter Report and they agreed that it was just a scientific report and we can’t censor scientific reports. So you’re allowed to talk about it.”

So he did. The crowd went wild. They were just great! Everybody loved it!

And so after a bit of course it was decided that this car is not good enough. So somebody went out quickly and rented a truck, flatbed truck, and they brought that up and so all the speakers and everybody got up on the truck, so it was much better. Everybody could see you and everybody could hear you better. We had a sound system up, better sound system on the truck and so on. So it worked out very well. There was a like back in the day the Leftists in Germany were nasty to the point of being terrorists.

But the only Leftists that showed up on that day was about half a dozen of them in a bus, in a regular street bus, who went by holding signs up in the bus.

So everybody got a laugh out of that. Obviously they’re not what they used to be.

So, yeah, it was a very exciting day and a lot was said and a lot was done. And then something happened. After it was over, we all went to the various beer halls and stuff, restaurants, got together and so Ernst showed up for that. And not long after that, somebody said something to the authorities because the authorities came in and they arrested him. They found him and they arrested him.

Monika Schaefer: Oh my goodness!

Jürgen Neumann: Yes. So they took him away to jail, etc. So that was kind of not the best of all things. [chuckling]

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Monika Schaefer: Remind us what year this was.

Jürgen Neumann: 1991.

Monika Schaefer: Okay.

Jürgen Neumann: Then he negotiated his way out of there. They said:

“Okay, well, you’re going to be charged with anti-Holocaust activities and so on. Denying the genocide of the jews.”

And so on, which is a law in Germany, right. So what you can get, I think they had a maximum of five years, for that. So eventually they put him on parole because he said:

“Yeah, okay.”

Not parole:

“But you can leave, but you have to come back for trial.”

So they thought he would do that, and he would do that because, oh yeah, there’s a big chance he wanted to try to organize a Leuchter type trial in Germany. So he was all good with that.

And about that particular issue, his trial and so on, there are videos of it up on my channel, Ernst Zundel in Munich, Munich trial in German and in English, where he talks about all that. So I’m not really going to get into that. I haven’t really brushed up on that particular thing. But if you want to see hear more about it, you can go there or we can do another show on it at some point.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. And we will come back after these messages. Thank you.

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Monika Schaefer: All right. Welcome back to The Flipside with Monika on the Republic Broadcasting Network.

So before the break, Jurgen Neumann, our guest, was telling us about this Leuchter Congress in Munich, I think it was in Munich. Did I get that right?

Anyway, in Germany in 1991, and exciting things were happening, and then he ended up being arrested and went to jail. How long did he go to jail for? He was let out pretty quick. Oh, yes, you said he was let out on the promise that he was going to be back for trial. Do you want to just carry on with that story?

And then we do have a caller on the line. He’s been waiting very patiently for a while, which is wonderful! Oh, and actually, I did forget to do that, is give the calling numbers if you’d like to join the conversation.

So I’ll just do that first and then Juergen, if you could tell the rest of that story and then we’ll start with callers.

So the number is 512-2488252 or 1-800-313-9443. Okay. Over to you, Jurgen.

Jürgen Neumann: Well, I must confess that I hadn’t brushed up on that story. So as I’m sitting here right now, my memory says:

“Well, can’t think of a whole lot but say about it at this moment.”

I just did mention [word unclear], but if we were going to ever do another show, I would brush up on it and we can get into some details.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, no problem!

Jürgen Neumann: Flopping around like a fish out of water wouldn’t work very well right now.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, God!

Jürgen Neumann: I would like to say one thing.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, go [chuckling] ahead.

Jürgen Neumann: I would like to say to me one of the final things about the Leuchter Congress that reflected in my life afterwards. And that was later on that year. This took place in March. So a few months later on, I was visiting my mother. And while I was there, the mail came. And in her mail was a copy of National Geographic. She’s never ordered National Geographic. She never reads it. So this was a mistake. This actually was addressed to somebody else on a different street, maybe six or eight blocks away. But it showed up in her place. Well, I thought:

“Just for fun, let’s have a look at it.”

So I pulled it out of the wrapper. And I had just started paging through it and lo and behold, what do we see? We see that National Geographic had been in Germany at that time of the Leuchter Congress. They were doing a thing about Germany and about the political situation and so-called Right-wing neo-Nazis, all that kind of stuff.

So they actually had part of their article on the Leuchter Congress. And they had a big picture, a big picture of that truck and the people standing on the truck talking. And on the truck, also on the left hand side of the picture was yours truly, me with the camera!

Monika Schaefer: Hey!

Jürgen Neumann: You couldn’t really see my face, the camera was covering it. But there I was.

And so I pointed it out to my mom and she was really excited:

“Wow, that’s cool!”

She never got another National Geographic, before or since!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, into the National Geographic. That’s fantastic! That National Geographic magazine was meant to come into your hands even though it was mis-delivered. Yes, that’s wonderful, wonderful!

So we had Johnny from Michigan, but I guess he dropped off.

But we do have a caller, Joe in Florida. Are you there? Would you like to join our conversation, ask a question or give a comment on anything about Ernst Zundel or ask Jurgen a question, anything you want. Welcome.

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Joe: Yes, Monika, thank you for taking my call. And greetings to Jurgen. Yeah, just a quick thing I want to say.

So thank you, Monika and Jurgen, for keeping the memory of this great man, Ernst Zundel alive. The other day recently I don’t know, Candace Owen, very kind of big, very popular blogger now she’s doing her pieces on the Hoaxicost is what I call it. And the lie of those events. And I just can’t help but think that, it’s Ernst that did the great groundwork. I mean he would be very proud.

But it’s on his amazing work that now it’s basically going mainstream. The lies that they built. I just wanted to say that thank you both for keeping his memory alive. And then Jurgen, the real question I wanted to ask you a question was. So among the things that jews like to do is to promote the idea that they’re all still peaceful people, but there can be very violent. And among the things they can be violent with this there preferential is bombing. We saw the King David Hotel, right? Jewish terrorists bombing people!

[See: Guns and Butter interviews Christopher Bollyn — The War on Terror – Dec 18, 2019 — Transcript]

So tell us about, if you can, how it was that Ernst was really the first, one of the first victims of this bombing in Toronto. And am I right in thinking they bombed his house, which was a residence, or exactly how, where, was that a place that he worked out of but tell us what you can remember about that terrible incident.

Jürgen Neumann: Okay. Talking about bombings and stuff, as far as I’m aware, when it comes to revisionists, the very first bombing was in France, I think it was 1965. Maybe a French revisionist by the name of François Duprat. Him and his wife were going out. They got into their car, turned the key, and there was a car bomb. And it blew up and killed him and took off her legs below the knee. So that’s first one, and probably worse for revisionist terrorism.

[Image: François Duprat – Source: https://revisionists.com/revisionists/duprat.html

Now come up to 1984. And we are at Ernst Zundel building. Okay. So what it is, or what it was, really was his, number one, was when he first got it, he was an artist. And so he made it, he had his business, commercial art, and then he was also fine art painted. He was the most prolific artist in Canadian history. Actually sold over 600 paintings.

Joe: Wow!

Jürgen Neumann: And so he had his gallery on the main floor and his commercial art business in the back. And upstairs he had the usual living quarters. That’s his home, dining room, kitchen, bedrooms, stuff like that. So, yeah, it was a combination of our work environment plus his home.

Actually, as it turned out, I ended up staying there with him for a decade or two. I’d stay there basically during the week and then go home on weekends and stuff. So that’s basically what the building was.

So 1984, there was a bit of an explosion we had. And it turns out at the back, by his garage door, they had set off a bomb, pipe bomb, as the police discovered, you know, told us about later, a pipe bomb. So it blew up the garage door and actually sent splinters all around the neighborhood, damaged cars and stuff. If anybody was walking by and been hit by those splinters, they could have been fatal. Not that they care, of course.

So that was the first one. But what was interesting about it was the police said:

“Oh, yeah, we’re investigating, etc.”

After a week had gone by, or 10 days ago by nothing. We hadn’t heard anything. So Ernst contacted the police. And the one officer was very honest about it. He said:

“No, we’re not investigating, actually. We think that you did it yourself for publicity.”

Monika Schaefer: Wow!

Jürgen Neumann: So, yeah, well, I was right. Okay, fast forward to 1995. About the anniversary of Victory in Europe Day, May 1995. Ernst was off on a speaking tour, Western Canada way. And I was holding fort there. And where I sleep is in, it’s a long building, right. Not wide, but deep.

So I was sleeping in the back on the second floor beside the washroom, my little bedroom. And I’m lying there in the neighborhood in which we were located, it’s called Cabbagetown. And always a lot of weird stuff happening. There’s a lot of weirdos in that area and stuff. So it’s not unusual to hear all kinds of interesting things happening.

But anyway, I was sleeping and suddenly I woke up. And I mean woke up just like snap of the finger from asleep to totally wide awake! And I thought:

“Wow, what’s that?”

So I’m lying there for a second, wondering, and I hear way in the back, some very low voice called “Fire!” So I thought:

“Oh, yeah, a bunch of, … I wonder what’s going on in the neighborhood tonight?”

So I lie there for a little longer. And then The Voice gets louder, it gets closer:

“Fire! Fire!”

I thought:

“Oh, no, I better go have a look.”

So I get up, and when I step out of the out of my bedroom, I can look down the length of the house, the second floor, right into the kitchen. And the kitchen has a big window out on the street. And here’s flames rising up above the second floor window.

Joe: Wow!

[Image: TORONTO, ON, 206 Carlton St., Ernst Zundel’s house on May 7, 1995, showing the aftermath of the fire there]

Jürgen Neumann: That’s what the fire is about. All right, so I ran up forward a little bit, grabbed a phone, but that one had already burned out for that one.

So I went downstairs and I got another phone and phoned you know, 9/11. And they said:

“Oh, yeah, oh yeah, no problem. Don’t worry about it.”

They said:

“Other people have already called in, so everybody’s on their way.”

I said:

“Okay, great!”

So I started getting myself together, getting stuff. I’m going to leave the house, right? I hear this pounding at the side door. So I go over the side door, and all it is kind of a regular framed wooden door. It’s got a couple of hooks and that’s it. And the fire department’s out there and they can’t get through this door.

So anyway, I go out and unhook it, and they come in:

“Oh, are you alone here?”

“Yep, I’m alone.”

“Well, you know, get out this fire. We gotta go!”

I said:

“No, I’ll leave when I’m ready.”

They said:

“No, you have to leave.”

I said:

“No.”

Monika Schaefer: Good for you!

Jürgen Neumann: :

“And when I’m ready, I will leave.”

Because I still had a couple of things I wanted to do. So I quickly packed up the last of the things and then I left. Oh, I did phone. Make one more phone call. One of our supporters lived about three, four blocks away. And this is about five in the morning. So I phoned him and I said:

“If you want some excitement, Ernst’s house is on fire, so come on over!”

Then I went outside and away. Eventually other people came up, our supporters, they came up to see what was going on, etc. And he showed up eventually and he said:

“Well, he said, boy, your voice was really calm for what’s going on.”

So we’re sitting there or we’re standing there. I was talking to one of the fire-fighters and we were talking about response time, you know how you get there fast. And he said:

“It doesn’t really matter how fast we get here.”

I said:

“What do you mean by that?”

He said:

“We can’t touch it until Toronto Hydro comes and turns off the hydro, so that we don’t get electrocuted with water touching the electricity. So they actually have to be here first.”

I said:

“Oh, okay.”

So we’re standing there waiting and a man comes up to me and says:

“Are you one of the people from the house?”

I said:

“Yes.”

He said:

“Well, I saw the whole thing.”

I said:

“Oh, really?”

He said:

“Yeah, I’m in the store next door to us.”

Somebody had broken their plate glass window.

And so he was there replacing the window. And he said the man walked past him with his container of flammable liquid. He saw him walk. I mean, he could have reached out and touched him as he walked by. So he walked up to the house, poured the liquid on there and a trail out, which he lit up and away it went. And then he walked past him again.

I said:

“Oh, so you’d be willing to talk to the police?”

He said:

“Sure. That’s why I’m still waiting here.”

“Okay.”

So I went and told the police:

“Hey, we’ve got an eyewitness!”

The guy waited another hour and a half and then he had to go because he had other business to do. And the police never did talk to him.

Monika Schaefer: Unreal!

Joe: Unbelievable! Yeah.

Jürgen Neumann: So that was that one.

And then about a month later, it was about that, maybe a little longer, maybe two months later, got a package in the mail. It was a brown box, basically, reasonably light.

And so I brought it in, mailman brought it in, and Ernst looked at it, looked at, and he’s getting, he’s very sharp man, experience. He says:

“Okay, everybody, nobody touched this. Something I don’t like about this.”

It’s addressed to him. It’s got a return address out in British Columbia. So, okay. So he put it on the shelf. And the way we went about our business, except me being a foolish man at the time, I couldn’t resist. I went over and picked it up when nobody was around, shook it a little bit. Very foolish!

But anyway, I didn’t hear anything, didn’t feel anything. Put it back. This one.

So eventually a fellow phoned Ernst and it was one of our supporters from out west BC. So he asked him about the PO Box address and he said:

“Oh, that was an address I used to have a couple of years back. So obviously somebody else is using it, blah, blah, blah.”

So this is suspicious. So we took the box down to the police station, told them it might be a bomb. They freaked out!:

“It might be a bomb! And you brought it here! What’s the matter with you?”

Anyway, they cleared out the area around the station by about three blocks. So they took it and eventually they took it down to the bomb disposal place where they set it off. And they got back to us and said:

“Yeah, it was a bomb.”

And it was set to go off when the package was opened. Having done so, it would have killed everybody within 100 meters.

Joe: Unbelievable!

Jürgen Neumann: Very powerful!

So that was the explosive encounters that we had.

Joe: Unbelievable! Thank you Jurgen and [word unclear] tell me to say thank you. So Ernst is a true hero, right? In other words, he was one of the free speech pioneers and they obviously tried repeatedly to kill him and he stood his ground.

So thank you, Monika, for this show, keeping his memory alive, because he is a real hero and it’s great to see if only he ived long enough to see that what his efforts really are paying off where people can speak truthfully about history. Thank you.

Monika Schaefer: Joe, I really appreciate. Yeah, I really appreciate that you called. That was an excellent call with these questions. And those stories are incredible! Thank you so much! Thank you again. And yes, we do intend to keep Ernst Zundel’s memory alive.

And I’m gonna do a shout out to Katana who encouraged me to do exactly that. And that did prompt me to call you up, Jurgen, or to write to you and say:

“I’m gonna have you on regularly. Like maybe every couple of months we’re gonna do another show on Ernst Zundel because there are very many things to talk about.”

So a shout out to Katana. He has a website, katana17.com. His specialty is making transcripts out of videos, or out of talk shows, or things that are in audio form, he turns into transcripts quite a lot. And his website is excellent! Has a lot of resources there. I would encourage everybody to visit that website again. That’s katana17.com. And katana with a ‘k’ and just like it sounds, so just another.

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Joe: God bless you, Monika.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, bye bye. Joe, thank you so much!

Joe: Thanks. Jurgen too. God bless.

Jürgen Neumann: Bye bye,

Monika Schaefer: Bye bye. Jurgen, something else about those attacks and who, … Somebody claimed responsibility for at least one of them, did they not? Do you know about that? Didn’t a jewish, …

Jürgen Neumann: 1984 one? Some kind of jewish, I don’t know, it was a very convoluted name anyway. But yeah, it was some jewish organization that claimed responsibility for the 84 bomb.

But what was interesting is that one thing that not too many people know about that. Around the beginning of the 1985 trial, as it was just about to get underway, Ernst was approached by the RCMP, which is the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. And they gave him a folder and they said:

“We have information that seems that there’s an assassin. An assassin has been put on a case to assassinate you. It’s a foreigner who’s going to be coming into Canada, or might already be here. And it’s a woman. And so you should be careful and on the lookout.”

And in the folder they had a picture of her even:

“So that if you can recognize her, everybody should look at the picture and if you see you’re wandering around or something, you know what’s going on.”

So that was nice of them to do that.

[Image: Police image of Merchant assassin]

Monika Schaefer: Wow, isn’t that something?

And yet the contrast to the police not being interested seemingly in talking to the eyewitness at the later episode. I think that was the later up episode. And then also just, yeah, they didn’t seem to want to uncover this or they didn’t seem to want to help Ernst Zundel. You know, this slow response, what not. I just find that quite interesting.

But good that they did warn him and good on Ernst Zundel that these things did not stop him from carrying on with his epically important work. And it was always his intention to restore the honor of Germany and the German people once he realized what had happened with the lies and deceptions.

But we don’t have a lot of time left. I want to pass it back to you. Do you want to tell people where they can find your channels? We did already talk about the Bitchute channel. John Robinson 101. I do believe you have an archive also. Do you want to talk about that, please? Where do people find your work?

Jürgen Neumann: Okay, yes, on Bitchute, you might call it my flagship channel. It’s called JohnRobinson101, and it is all videos. And I have about, I’m guessing about 500 Ernst videos on there. Want to look at it? But I have well over a thousand videos.

And so it’s not just material about Ernst, but there’s material from other sources about subject matter that would be of interest to all of our people and all people who are interested in different points of view on various documentaries. I even have culture on there. I’ve got some classical music, orchestras playing and so on. Everything that may be a interest to us and help for us, I have on there.

Now on archive.org I have, I had a couple of other channels and they’ve been kind of deleted in the meantime.

But finally, of the two that have been deleted, I finally figured out that maybe the problem there was is that I had a lot of material about Holocaust revisionism and Ernst Zundel. So I figured, okay, I’ll start another channel on there and stay away from those directly.

And so I started a PDF channel called Researcher_PDF and it’s all books and David Irving books, pamphlets, all kinds of stuff. If you have an interest in history from our point of view, that’s a good one.

Monika Schaefer: That’s on archive.org is it?

Jürgen Neumann: Yes.

Monika Schaefer: Okay.

Thank you so much for joining us again. Jurgen Neumann, and we will talk to you again next week. Thank you very, very much, all the listeners and the caller and the producer. Thank you all. Bye bye.

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(Comments as of 3/24/2025 = 4)

kati
March 23, 05:21
Here my favorite of Ernst Zuendel, all episodes of his “german holocaust” in one big video file, i sure listened them 10+ times, as german alot new things.
https://archive.org/details/ernst-zundel-the-german-holocaust-the-complete-collection-parts-1-34

kati
March 23, 05:25
All Samisdat episodes of Ernst Zuendel, about 300 maybe, are sure on Archive org too, or easier to watch on Odysee, this link you will have all episodes https://odysee.com/@ErnstZundelVideos:8

kati
March 23, 05:39
I linked the Odysee, here, i cannot watch Jürgens Bitchute here in germany, it gets geoblocked cause of the content against our laws, but the Odysee channel is not blocked.
Im avoiding bitchute in general now, too much blocked in germany and the ads are annoying.

kati
March 23, 05:48
Micheal Collins Piper told me alot about Mark Weber, its now silenced but Weber took shekels to let nationalist books out of print, you can hear the story on Pipers podcasts over several episodes. I asked a friend of Piper, the one who runs now FTJ if the story is true, he said yes.
So im careful to recommend Mark Weber now, sure the IHR is not to blame, its jsut Webers doing long ago, maybe 2 decades ago. I think “Silesias Inferno” is one of the books he run out of print, i got the german version here, its witness reports from what the red army did in Silesia/Schlesien, its the most graphic book i ever read and i had to pause a day after most reports. You can still buy the english version sure, for a good price. The german version is cheaper, from 1966 i think and not printed anymore, noone would print that now, i paid 2€ for it.

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Monika Schaefer – The Flipside with Monika – Ep 24 – Prof Tony Hall – Dec 21, 2024 – Transcript

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Monika Schaefer

The Flipside with Monika

Ep 24 – Prof Tony Hall

Sat, Dec 21, 2024

[In this weekly podcast episode 24 of The Flipside with Monika on Republic Broadcasting Network, Canadian nationalist and author, Monika Schaefer talks with Professor Emeritus Anthony (Tony) Hall who joins Monika to discuss “how they keep the professors in line” on the prescribed narrative. Tony and Monika delve into the battle which Tony had to fight to regain his position at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta after his association with Monika and Alfred Schaefer and “holocaust denialism”.

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Episode 24: Professor Emeritus Anthony (Tony) Hall joins Monika to discuss “how they keep the professors in line” on the prescribed narrative. Tony and Monika delve into the battle which Tony had to fight to regain his position at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta after his association with Monika and Alfred Schaefer and “holocaust denialism”.

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Monika Schaefer: Hey, everybody. Greetings. You are listening to The Flipside with Monika. I am your host, Monika Schaefer and this is on the Republic Broadcasting Network at Republicbroadcasting.org. It is the 21st day of December in the year 2024. It is the solstice today. So that’s the shortest day in the northern lands and the longest day in the southern lands. And after this, the sun comes back, or if you’re in the southern hemisphere, I guess the days will get shorter for you!

Welcome. It is episode 24 of The Flipside with Monika. I have a few announcements and I guess housekeeping items to take care of and things to tell you about before I bring my guest on. My guest today, I’m very excited about this. I’ve been wanting this to happen for a long time. His name is Anthony Hall. He is a professor. Well, he’s a retired professor now at the University of Lethbridge in Alberta. I know him well. And we are going to present you with an interesting story.

But first I would just like to say that I’m going to take a little bit of a different approach to asking you to support the network.

So this is always a very uncomfortable part of my task because I feel like I’m asking for money, but I have to remind myself I’m not asking for money for myself. The hosts do not get money out of this. We do this because we know what is at stake and it is just critically important that we get to talk about the truth! I’ll just ask you to mute your mic, Tony, until you come on! No problem. Just some interference there.

So, yeah, so the reason, I’m just saying it always makes me a little uncomfortable because I don’t like to ask for money. I don’t want to guilt trip anybody. And again, it’s not for me personally. It is the network. It is a listener supported network.

And what I’m going to do is I’m just going to tell you the facts about it and then it’s up to you, [chuckling] dear listener.

So it is a network that is 90% listener supported and about 10% from the sponsors. So those would be the advertisers. And they have an operating budget. There’s the commercial internet, there’s telephone services. They have multiple lines. There are the satellite connections, there’s the electric bill, there’s rent. There’s equipment repair and replacement. And I can tell you that the staff do not earn much money. And there is free unlimited archives on the Republic Broadcasting Network and in fact, it obviously is a very, very important host, important messages, important things that are being done with this network because there are on average a quarter of a million downloads per month. Now there is unlimited free downloading on RepublicBroadcasting.org you can go there and download to your heart’s content and share these programs. So that happens a quarter of a million times per month. So that’s pretty big, I would say.

So anyway, that’s my little spiel and then it’s up to you. Just letting you know it is listener supported. And they are clean out of cash at the moment. So it is kind of a critical time.

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And by the way, speaking of mail, the postal strike is over in Canada. They were on strike for a whole month, which I think was part of their agenda to make us all go digital and online with banking and all our other needs.

But anyway, I am getting sidetracked. The address if you’d like to mail either cash or check, RBN2251 Double Creek Drive, Suite 302, Round Rock, Texas. And the zip code is 78664 in the USA. So that’s that.

All right, I’m going to set the stage, so to speak, for before I bring Tony in to tell his story and that we’ll have a little conversation about some of the things that have happened to him. I’m more or less entitling this, “How They Keep the Professors in Line”. As I told you, he’s a university Professor and they have a lot of pressure on them to basically stick with the prescribed narratives on any number of topics. And by now, and I’m sure that most of the listeners listening to this program are aware that we are being lied to on a grand scale.

Okay, so if a Professor steps out of line, what happens to him? And Tony will tell us about that in a few minutes.

But just a bit of history here. I first met Tony in 2015, so about nine years ago, and he was traveling with Kevin Barrett on a speaking tour after Kevin Barrett had published the book We Are Not Charlie Hebdo. And there were multiple authors to that project.

And one of the authors was my friend Tony Hall. And they came, I hosted them in Jasper, Alberta where I lived at the time. And they spoke to do with the Charlie Hebdo incident, you may remember that.

And then in 2016 we traveled together to Germany and that was the year that I made my life changing video, Sorry Mom, I Was Wrong About the Holocaust. We also contributed bits like video pieces which then CODOH, which is the Committee on Open Debate on the Holocaust, they edited together a four minute video in which we answered the question “Why Do You Support Open Debate on the Holocaust?” And Germar Rudolf was at that time, he was the one who was heading up the CODOH website, CODOH.com. He’s no longer heading that up now.

And by the way, he has been arrested! He is currently in jail and awaits transfer to another jail. And this is all to do with something completely trivial and unrelated to what they really are after him for. And he has done a huge amount of work on Holocaust Revisionism as they call it. I would call it “Correctionism”.

But anyway he has published many books, the Holocaust Handbook series and more recently the Holocaust Encyclopedia which is an incredible volume.

And so we will talk more about that with Tony because somehow this all ties together. And actually a little bit more history here. Before I met Tony there was this Tehran conference and I’m sure you’ll tell us more about that, Tony, but in 2014, the New Horizons Conference. But I’m just still setting the stage here to give people a bit of background.

After that conference there were some smear articles against you and I saw the clip there which you’ve included in your epic article, we’ll talk about that. But this newspaper article in which Ezra Levent was also pictured, but we’re not sure who authored these words. But they talked about you:

“Still a madman and poster boy for the end of tenure.”

And that was in 2014. And in 2016 after our trip to Germany together, something happened to you, Tony Hall, that indeed that statement two years earlier was a little bit prophetic.

And tenure for those who don’t know what that means, it basically gives Professors who have paid their dues and put in a lot of work and time and are full Professors, it gives them academic freedom or that is the theory.

Okay, and now one more thing, I’ll just say to set this up, I have a certain relative and his words ring in my ears when I was trying to inform him about the lies. And this was only about 9/11 at the time. I don’t think I’d yet gone down the road of Holocaust, discovering the lies about that. And his words ring in my ears as I was telling him about Bolshevism and how they murdered millions and millions and millions of people and that that was a jewish operation and all those things.

And then this relative says to me:

“You mean to tell me that all the university Professors were wrong?”

And I know I’ve shared that with you, Tony. You said yes, I’ve said it many times. But that sets the stage for today. So welcome, Tony, to the show, first of all, greetings. And why don’t you tell us what happened to you in 2016? Over to you.

Pro Tony Hall: Well, thanks, Monika, and congratulations on having a regular show!

Monika Schaefer: Thank you.

Pro Tony Hall: You deserve it. And your story is very important. You know, just before I get into my own story, this whole phenomena of what happened in World War II, resulting in this production of this narrative which became known as “The Holocaust”. You know that in 1948, there was something called the Genocide Convention at the UN. So “genocide” entered the language, and many genocides have taken place over history. But when does a genocide become a holocaust? And when does “a Holocaust” become “The Holocaust”? Are we seeing a holocaust in Gaza? And how do you get this title of “The Holocaust”?

So The Holocaust becomes a narrative with a huge impact. You know, in a way, the winning side of World War II use their political currency to create the UN, to create Israel, to create the Genocide Convention. And this Holocaust story becomes kind of the core narrative of our times. It sort of defines right and wrong, good and bad, and it certainly becomes the political pillar for the state of Israel. And so as we were socialized to sort of feel very guilty and feel that this act of atonement through the creation of Israel was a good thing and a required thing.

But then, lo and behold, the people who received this first supposedly primal, defining genocide became deliverers of genocide since 2023. And now they don’t want to face the International Criminal Court, the International Court of Justice. They want to say:

“No, no, this is not a genocide. It is not a “Holocaust”.

I would say that the suffering we’re seeing imposed on the people of Gaza and it’s expanding from there, it’s beyond anything, even in the most extreme versions of what happened in the Holocaust, what happened at, say, Auschwitz. Meeting a death, let’s say we assume this controversial thesis that people died in gas chambers in Auschwitz. Dying in a gas chamber is nothing like the harshness, the ruthlessness, the cruelty imposed on people in Gaza who are being starved, no water, carpet bombed, just faced with an incredible array of various forms of genocide.

So I want to acknowledge the people who stand their ground. And you sort of led me down this pathway to see these things, going to Germany and meeting your brother. I mean, it was a great pleasure and honor for me to be invited by you and I took it, you know, it was a personal matter in a way, meeting Alfred [Monika’s older brother]. I’m sure the audience knows who Alfred is.

And then you made Sorry Mom, I was Wrong About the Holocaust, a story that you told me very many times about your mother. And we made together this other video called “Why do you believe in open debate on the holocaust?” Which led me to become a kind of marked man. When I was saying it at the time, it seemed to me it was a no-brainer, this idea that of course we should have open debate on everything.

And as a university Professor Guarding the principles of academic freedom as I thought, it was a no-brainer to look in the camera and say that and justify that. And I was astonished by my colleagues in the university who didn’t take that as a given! We can’t allow the precedent to be set that there’s things we can’t talk about and issues we must avoid.

So very quickly after we returned to Jasper, you were immediately spurned and blocked from lots of things. The Legion, which was the major musical venue, you couldn’t play there, and then you couldn’t be on the environmental committee, and then you couldn’t be in the fiddle teaching business. And you know, it was just amazing to see all these institutional things shutting you down. And then most everybody, I saw, most every one of your friends turned against you and said:

“Well, now you’re a holocaust denier and you really seem to actually support the National Socialists. And I just can’t be friends with such a person.’

And I have to say that watching you at the time, you handled it well and strongly. But there were times I saw such sadness in you and it was something to behold. I wrote letters to explain how wrong it was to judge you by your political beliefs, to say whether or not you could teach fiddle. I would say to the fiddle people who run that school:

“Well, now you’ve gone into the political business of deciding thought policing. So you’re not really a credible fiddle teaching agency anymore or environmental agency.”

All of this thought control stuff came into place and I watch and actually one of your close friends decided it must be me. It couldn’t be dear sweet Monika, who was becoming this horrific Holocaust denier. And they figured I must be leading you [chuckling] astray.

Monika Schaefer: You and my evil brother, you know! [chuckling]

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah he’s in there, too!

And I have to say, it was one thing to defend open debate on the Holocaust, but then quickly I could see there were other things involved in this.

And so, anyway, I started to take the flack for this and be demonized because of it. And lo and behold, that next term, this was shortly before the term started in September of 2016, there was a major assault on my reputation, led by something called B’nai Brith Canada, the extension of the Anti-Defamation League in the United States, who, I imagine most people, if you’re listening to this show, probably know what that is.

But basically they see themselves as, they’re going to find the future Nazis and make sure they never get in power, and they’re going to defame and diminish and ruin the reputation of and make them unemployable, people who they think might be going to raise issues that they do not want raised.

And so there was a terrible scam that Facebook and B’nai Brith played where they made up a Facebook post on my Facebook wall saying that I was saying:

“All the jews should be killed and they should be strung up. And the Holocaust didn’t happen, but it should have happened, and kill all jews!”

Was in there.

And so this was spread around without me knowing it on the Internet. And then I became aware of it. Oh, my God!

And so it turned out that this was the preparatory work to what became my suspension. I was literally kind of dragged out of the classroom in October and told:

“You cannot be on campus. You are a trespasser on campus!”

So one day I’m a tenured full Professor with my classes going. The next day I’m criminalized without any due process and told, I can’t come back on campus. And then it came out that the technique was to put aside the collective agreement, the rule book, the policy book, and the university went to the Human Rights Tribunal and said:

“Hall has violated the Human Rights act of Alberta.”

And so this was kind of bizarre, but they didn’t tell anybody. Well, Hall is accused of this by the university itself. All that appears in the paper is:

“Hall is under investigation by the Human Rights Tribunal.”

And anyway, so then suddenly, there I am, trying to gather myself. At the time, I couldn’t really think of anything like it that I really knew about in Canada. I’d read about Professors in the United States and I started to do a lot of research about them.

And of course, this initial statement that Hall, you know, says:

“Kill all jews the Holocaust never happened, but it should have.”

And intertwined, inter intermingled in all of this was the fact that you and I had been in Germany and that I made this film. And they played clips of this film, me saying there should be open debate on the Holocaust.

And so it sort of fit together that somebody who made a film like that might be saying those kind of things. And it was quite expertly woven together, this fiction about my beliefs at the time and everything. I hadn’t, as you know, gone into a lot of study of the Holocaust, ever! You know, I had written some things about the fact that US businesses, British businesses, had funded Hitler and that Auschwitz was actually IG Auschwitz was actually a slave labor camp to produce jet plane fuel and tires. And this new technology, this IG Farben with German technology being applied in a very dirty way, that this was a slave labor camp.

And so I’d written about that, but not about transforming, so the story goes, Auschwitz into a death camp, into an industrialized death camp to produce this astonishing number of victims of the Holocaust, this 6 million number. I mean, I wasn’t really in any position to judge that whole story one way or another.

But nevertheless, I was suddenly a Holocaust denier, an anti-semite and a conspiracy theorist! Those were the three things that those phrases become the weaponized terms. And so eventually we got, in order to have a court case, my faculty association, the collective body of university Professors, you know, at first they were astonished that this was happening.

But then I have to say that that the image of you was kind of exploited in a way.

Like I was reading Tadzio Richards on Alberta Views, which is a Left-wing progressive magazine, a kind of place where I might have looked for some support. And I was looking at an abbreviated version of this article, and it’s almost all about you, Monika.

And so this story where you stand your ground and say:

“Yes, I don’t believe in the Holocaust and yes, I like National Socialists.”

I mean, I wasn’t at the point where I could say that, but you were saying it. And that was said because I’m friendly with you and that somehow this is my opinion too. And that seemed like a very shoddy approach. Do you want to get, …

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I’ll just interject that smear by association, that is a really common theme. It’s something that is used, it’s weaponized against us. Because I have experienced other people being smeared by association too. And even you know, second degree, third degree associations, people being smeared that, I don’t know, I guess they, the psychology of that is interesting.

And I think that those who seek to destroy us as the usual suspects there, they seem to know us better than we know us and they know that that’s something that people are very affected by in general. Like that their general population is very affected by that.

And earlier you said that some of my friends or former friends in Jasper, they just couldn’t fathom that I had become this quote, unquote, “evil person” because of course they’ve been raised and indoctrinated and programed to react in Pavlovian style to this term Holocaust scenario. And Monika, who was formerly, you know, pretty well liked and I was very active and wore many hats in my community in culturally and environmentally and I had, you know, politically as well. And I’d been writing lots of letters to the editor and I had lots of friends and all that and:

“Oh, how could she become so evil overnight?”

So they did blame the that on these men in my life. So that would be my brother Alfred and Tony Hall, [chuckling] like you were alluding to earlier. But yeah, the smear by association.

So about that article that you just alluded to. It was actually, you’re saying it was about you but somehow it ended up that they wrote more about me in it. But you are the bad man because suddenly you’re a Holocaust denier too. Or can you explain that a bit?

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah, they into the story on the edges of things, but it, you know, it was an abbreviated version of the article and I want to say Tadzio Richards, a journalist that has a lot to answer for. That was a real scam, dude! If Tadzio Richards ever comes up and you know, obviously Alberta Views is the answer to Alberta Report. You know, my background is like you is as a sort of liberal Left progressive, you know.

And so it was Owen Holmes, who was the founder of the University of Lethbridge, he wrote to Alberta Views about what was being done to me and the prosecution and persecution of me and lo and behold, surprise, surprise, it came out with yet more smear. But I just want to, I’m sure there’s going to be a break soon. I Just want to clarify that this situation of me at the university trying to cope with my role in the faculty association and where there are votes and there are assemblies and meetings and various executives that I was hoping to bring those people along. They would have a big say over what would happen.

And what did happen, we did get into court. It wasn’t me going into court. It was me in partnership with my faculty association, which had to have the approval of the fellow Professors. And I didn’t. I know a lot of them were having real trouble with the substance of this story and my role in it. Even the little movie, “Why do you believe in open debate on the Holocaust?” And there I was beside you and Alfred, and the three of us were strong on the same page, which in that case we were.

So there’s that phase of this story. But I just want to emphasize the point that now I’m Professor emeritus, but I’m retired. I’m not teaching anymore. They got me out of the classroom. But what you’ve done in standing your ground is of global importance!

And the fact you were put in jail for a year in Germany of this I’m connected to this, and I’m proud of it. And it’s one of the Summit moments of my career and my life really, to have participated in this basic, fundamental issue is, what is this thing the Holocaust? And how come you can’t debate it? And how come you can’t talk about it freely and openly?

Monika Schaefer: That’s a great way to take us into the break and please stay with us. We’ll come back in a few minutes after these messages.

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Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I’m going to bring us back in and we have a lot to talk about still. We’re just getting going on a roll.

I’m just going to recap a few things here, Tony. You had talked about I had lost all my friends in Jasper. Not all of them, by the way. There were some who stayed very loyal to me.

But you know, through all this adventure [chuckling] of discovering that we’ve been lied to and then and then doing some things about it, I gained new friends. And I’m telling you those new friendships I have made are so rich and deep and I never had any regrets. And I and I’m so happy that I did go down this road.

Now I do remember you lumping some terms together. They seem to love to do that. And at the time it was these four terms, 9/11 truther, holocaust denier, anti-semitic and conspiracy theorist! So you were all of those things and that wrapped up your career. Right?

But just before you come back in, I’ll just tell the listeners that there is no live show next week. So RBN is taking a break from doing live broadcasting. But there will always still be broadcasting. But so since there is no live show that means there’s no call-ins.

As far as call-ins today, I’m not sure if we will have time, maybe near the end if somebody had a burning question or comment for the good Professor. And I wanted to also say that on the Chatengo site which I have now, which is this new address, it’s flipsidemo.chatengo.com I did post this epic, epic article that Tony has written recently and it is called “On the Condemnation of Holocaust Denial”. It’s a big essay that it could be a university course.

In fact, in our universities after this terrible system that we are under now where they fire Professors for speaking truth. But when that collapses and we have universities that are real and where you really do have academic freedom, that article you wrote, it should be a university course. And I have posted that on the Chitango site. I will also, as soon as the show is over, post the CODOH video.

And again, that’s, CODOH.com but they asked the simple question, why do you support open debate on the Holocaust? It’s less than four minutes long. You can also find it on my Odysee channel. So just go to Odysee.com and put in my name, Monika Schaefer and then you can look for that video. Why do you support open debate on the Holocaust? Four minutes. Less than four minutes of your life will be taken up by taking a look at that.

One more thing I wanted to tell you, Tony. I talked with Alfred, my brother this morning and he sends you the very warm greetings. He has the utmost highest respect and regards for you.

And so I just wanted to pass that message on to you. So back to you, Tony.

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah, so when you find yourself being referred to as something called a “Holocaust denier”, to me that is the harshest term they can come up with. To be called an “anti-semite” these days? Well, big deal! To be called a conspiracy theorist. Well, if you’re not looking into theories about conspiracy and you’re trying to be a public intellectual, what the hell are you doing? Obviously, people make theories about conspiracies, and it has to do with the exercise of power.

But this “Holocaust denial” phrase, it kind of has a judicial ring about it, a juridical ring about it. Like some judge somewhere has hammered down the gavel and said:

“Guilty of Holocaust denial!”

Like, what does that mean? So as you know, internalize it, and nothing would be more incentive of internalizing it than when you find yourself called that in hundreds of newspapers. And this smear operation to which I was subjected, I want to emphasize, it’s not like just in a few little sites here and there. It becomes a news story around the world and in Israel, throughout the United States, in Europe.

And so that becomes, you know how people who’ve never heard of you, who could care less that you existed and don’t really know what the University of Lethbridge is, let alone Lethbridge itself, and suddenly it’s reported as this major news.

So the demeaning character of such a statement, who I now know to associate with a Professor of Holocaust studies, Deborah Lipstadt, who wrote a book called Denying the Holocaust and kind of formalized and publicized this concept of “Holocaust denier” because it hasn’t been around that long. It’s a kind of new phrase. You know, it sort of leads me to believe it’s an approach saying:

“Hey, goys, you’re not entitled to talk about this! This is like a religious, sanctified thing that only our selected people can talk about, but you are allowed to say, ‘thumbs up’.”

“Yeah, I saw Schindler’s List, and it looks pretty good to me. And I got no problem with that.”

Or if you have any questions about any of the vast array the Holocaust is called, like, as if it’s one thing, but it took place in many countries, what they refer to the Holocaust. It’s a complex series of events. It’s World War II. So people were suffering and being punished in all kinds of ways, including, no doubt, some jews. Germans, of course, would get their Holocaust after World War II, when they were punished in different ways.

But say you want to debate one aspect of it, one or another aspect of it, and this was generally referred to before Deborah Lipstadt as “Holocaust revisionism”. That you want to improve history. History is all about revisionism. You know, history’s never done. You know, it’s improved attitude. People try new theories, interpretations. Other people say:

“No, that’s wrong! This is right.”

This is how history evolves. And as the state of the world unfolds, you need to sort of reorganize history a bit to pull out of it from history what you need.

Monika Schaefer: I’ll just interject, if I may, Tony. So I’ve taken to using the word “Correctionism”, because we know that we’re being lied to on a whole lot of things. And I mean, I have looked into this Holocaust narrative quite a lot, and no evidence for their story!

And that’s why they criminalize people, that they have to use force because they don’t actually have evidence. Because if they had evidence, they would just show us the evidence. But since they don’t have evidence, they can’t use facts and arguments because they don’t have any.

But anyway, I like to use the word “Correctionism” because revisionism, when I first heard that term, I didn’t like it because I thought:

“Well, wait a minute, they’re the ones who actually changed history.”

Like something either happened or it didn’t. Something either happened or it didn’t.

And so that word to me, I mean, I’ve had people explain it to me and justify the word “revisionism”. It’s just revising what you know, based on let’s say you find new evidence for this or that or the other thing. And I know that’s what you are saying, that if when you find other evidence that you hadn’t seen before, well then you have to revise your interpretation of what actually happened. So I know that is what you are saying, but I just wanted to interject that it has always kind of bothered me.

So now I’ve got this other word, correctionism in my lexicon. And about that term, like you were saying being called a Holocaust denier, it’s like it’s a bomb! It is a weapon, and these labels are weapons and all those other labels are weapons.

Pro Tony Hall: So you can go to jail for it. And you did go to jail for it!

And so you are a testimony, an embodiment of the punishments attached to this thing called “Holocaust denial” and all the ways it’s expressed in other forms and terms in the legal firmament. So ironically, there is a revisionism in Zionist history. Jabotinsky and the people who created Likud, which Netanyahu is in this very Right-wing extreme version of wanting an expanded Israel, a Greater Israel. They call it Zionist revisionism.

Anyway, this is just the starting point into a huge question. And so I’ve written this this year, and it sort of was like a just a gusher coming out of me because I’ve been thinking about this term Holocaust denial and what it can do to you and how it’s being manipulated and how it’s being transformed into a crime, a literal crime for which you can go to jail. What else is what other ideas or what other ethnic groups have this kind of power?

And so it obviously, this power to define a Holocaust denier is an expression of a power that is gross! Which is being manipulated, which is out of hand, which is disproportionate.

So this article I just went through looking at it from many, many Angles. One thing that was very interesting to me was to look at the literature of jewish communists who see themselves as you know, critics of this word that we could debate. But fascism, World War II had this image of communism versus fascism, although Adolf Hitler himself saw himself as a socialist.

Monika Schaefer: National Socialist.

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah, National Socialist. But I found in Tony Greenstein’s new book about zionism during the Holocaust, during World War II, and that’s based on largely Lenny Brenner, another jewish communists who were. Both of them went into a great amount of detail about the Transfer Agreement.

The fact that the Zionists of Germany and the National Socialist government, with Adolf Eichmann as kind of the chief minister responsible for jewish affairs, they got along very well. And they, very quickly after Hitler came to power, negotiated an agreement that tens of thousands of jews from Germany and later beyond Germany would be helped to emigrate to Palestine, which was then under the British mandate of the League of Nations.

And in fact, there was a very thriving group of German jews in Palestine who could not only emigrate there, but they could get at their money and they could use their money to establish farms and such. And I think, actually begin to import products into the Middle East. And there became a market for those products. And it became a very big part in the Genesis of Israel, in the Zionist Genesis. You know, they hadn’t yet, before World War II, achieved creating a jewish state, but they did have the Balfour Declaration from the British saying that Palestine was to be a jewish homeland.

And so there was this very concerted movement involving some jews to create Israel as a country. This was their objective. So these jewish Communists wrote about how the Zionists of Germany and the National Socialists got together and then how these Zionists kind of manipulated Hitler into the position. And like Greenstein says they wanted jews to stay in position. If a jew wanted to go to the United States or emigrate, they didn’t want that. The only legitimate thing was to migrate to Palestine.

And then he sort of implies that they also wanted to keep a certain amount of jews on hand to be killed in what they now call the Holocaust. Incidentally, Yad Vashem had a Holocaust museum being planned in 1942. Yad Vashem is the main Holocaust museum in Israel and is kind of a center where the official story of the Holocaust is ratified. So imagine that already in 1942 they’re planning Holocaust museums!

Monika Schaefer: Kind of reminds me about the fact that the 6 million narrative was tossed around many, many, many times well before World War II, like World War I. And I mean, I’ve seen images of the articles and videos have been made about this, that:

“The 6 million lost souls or 6 million jews are under threat, or 6 million, you know, jews are being persecuted.”

That was tossed around a long, long time ago already and I think they even used, possibly they even used the word Holocaust in some of those articles.

But with this so-called Holocaust, they didn’t actually come out with that word until I think in the 60s. Like if people are saying that if they looked into an encyclopedia in the 50s, they would not find that word “Holocaust” with relation to World War II. Maybe you know something about that, Tony.

But yeah, that 6 million number was tossed around long before. And what an interesting fact that you just brought out about Yad Vashem Museum with their Holocaust Museum in 1942, already.

Pro Tony Hall: Yes. So this, I’m getting this out of the book of Tony Greenstein. And of course he’s a darling in the progressive media and especially Mondo Weiss and Electronic Intifada, which get big audience, but they wouldn’t touch “The Holocaust” with the ten foot pole.

But taking the critique developed by Tony Greenstein of zionism during World War II, it’s pretty significant. It overturns a lot of preconceptions and stereotypes that just don’t apply. And there was this boycott of Germany, which I think was conducted in a way to put pressure on Hitler to sit down and negotiate with the Zionists of Germany.

Monika Schaefer: Are you talking about, … Sorry, I’ll just interject. You’re talking about 1933, within a few weeks of Adolf Hitler coming to power, that “Judea Declares War on Germany”?

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah. That famous newspaper headline. But Hitler hadn’t even been voted into power. He would soon get a majority vote where he was made sort of worthy of the title that Hindenburg already had given him, which is Chancellor.

So he had become the Chancellor. Anyway, just like the snap of a finger this Untermyer and other Zionists in New York organized this boycott. But it seems the boycott is to pressure Germany. It’s very sort of interesting how Zionists can manipulate situations and play both sides and whatnot. So that’s how I’m interpreting it.

So in any case, then there is the story of the Toronto trials. And the Toronto trials in 1985 and 1988 were the big moment for Ernst Zundel to take the stage. He was charged with a crime of “spreading false news”. And his response was to say:

“Yay! There’s going to be a platform!”

And, boy, did he ever make a platform. He brought in Robert Faurisson, who is an amazing analyst of all of this and really has the gas chamber story and the frauds involved in the gas chamber story down cold.

So then there was David Irving. He managed to pull in David Irving, who was sort of new to the subject of what was going on. But there were this exhaust system in the gas chamber in the reconstructed, what we’re told is the gas chamber that couldn’t have been there. And I saw he and David Cole doing a tour of Auschwitz. And the exhaust from the gas chamber was right outside the kitchen of the SS! And how practical would that be for scientific engineer Germans to construct it that way?

So the Toronto trials were sort of triumph where the chief historian [Raul Hilberg] of the Holocaust, you would remember his name. And these eyewitnesses were sort of humiliated on the stand. There was Doug Christie, the lawyer. And Faurisson gave him the backing, helping him out, gave him the information how to do stunning cross examinations of these people and demonstrate that these foremost authorities on the Holocaust couldn’t come up with evidence and eyewitnesses were proven to be wrong. And ever since then, there have been no eyewitnesses!

Monika Schaefer: I’ll just say Ernst Zundel amassed an amazing team now, the “Exterminationists”, so those who made the charges against Ernst Zundel, they thought that:

“Oh, they’ll be done within a few days, this will be over. They’ll just wipe their feet on him!”

And they actually afterwards conceded:

“Oh, my goodness, that was a bit of a victory for the revisionist side.”

And they got smeared.

And we only have about probably half a minute left, Tony.

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah, give me that half minute, if you would.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, you go ahead.

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah.

So this then results in Deborah Lipstadt entering the picture. And Deborah Lipstadt is a Professor of Holocaust studies, whatever that’s supposed to mean. If she was a real professor, she would have invited Ernst Zundel to speak in her class. But no, instead she writes this book, Denying the Holocaust.

Monika Schaefer: Which Germar Rudolf refuted.very word of it!

Pro Tony Hall: It’s very popular to refute her. And she is a real disgrace and shame to the academy. That woman is not of a high caliber to be teaching in a university. And so out of that came this Holocaust denial term. David Irving was smeared and there was this big trial resulting in the movie “The Denial”.

Monika Schaefer: We’re gonna have to have you back, Tony, I can see. Just a final word, I guess, like Happy Yule. Merry Christmas. Happy Solstice.

Pro Tony Hall: Well, Merry Christmas to you, Monika, and to your family.

Monika Schaefer: Okay. Thank you, Tony.

Pro Tony Hall: Yeah.

Monika Schaefer: All right. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you, Mr. Producer. Thank you, dear listeners. And we’ll see you in the new year.

All right, everybody, thank you very much. Bye bye.

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Monika Schaefer – The Flipside with Monika – Ep 15 with Jürgen Neumann on Ernst Zündel – Oct 12, 2024 – Transcript

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Monika Schaefer

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 15 with

Jürgen Neumann on Ernst Zündel

Sat, Oct 12, 2024

[In this weekly podcast episode The Flipside with Monika on Republic Broadcasting Network, Canadian nationalist and author, Monika Schaefer talks with Jürgen Neumann and his time working with Ernst Zündel, the famous Canadian-German revisionist.

Key points include:

Jurgen Neumann worked as a videographer for Ernst Zundel for decades.

Ernst Zundel was a German immigrant to Canada who challenged the mainstream Holocaust narrative.

Zundel had a “moment of awakening” when he met Adrian Arcand, a French Canadian who had been in a Canadian concentration camp for six years during WWII.

Arcand showed Zundel historical information that contradicted the mainstream narrative: “he started showing him his library of thousands of books and started giving him all the other information that he had been denied all these years.”

Zundel described this experience as being “born again” with the truth.

In the late 1970s, Zundel ran for leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada, giving him a platform to speak about issues facing German immigrants.

In 1980, there was a major raid on Zundel’s supporters in Germany, leading to protests against him in Toronto.

Zundel began using video to document events and spread his message in the early 1980s.

Zundel met Robert Faurisson, described as “the world’s foremost revisionist”, who focused on questioning the existence of gas chambers.

Zundel faced legal troubles, including having his mail service cut off and being charged with “spreading false news.”

Zundel’s 1985 trial lasted six weeks and received extensive media coverage.

The trial featured testimony from Holocaust survivors that was heavily scrutinized: “it was the first time that former camp inmates were properly cross examined by a lawyer.”

A second trial in 1988 lasted almost four months and included even more information challenging the Holocaust narrative.

Jurgen Neumann accompanied Zundel on several trips to Auschwitz.

Neumann now maintains a BitChute channel called “John Robinson 101” where he uploads videos related to Zundel’s work. It contains “over a thousand videos” related to Holocaust revisionism and Zundel’s activities.

The discussion portrays Zundel as a truth-seeker facing persecution for his views, and Holocaust revisionism as a legitimate historical inquiry, rather than as hate speech or anti-semitism.

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[Intro music]

[01:05]

Monika Schaefer: Good evening. Greetings. You are listening to the Republic Broadcasting Network at Republicbroadcasting.org. It is October 12, 2024. And this is The Flipside with Monika. And I am your host, Monika Schaefer.

Okay, good news. We have a very special guest, and we had a small technical glitch, but I understand he is on the line.

And so I’m going to bring him on without too much further ado. But I’ll just set the stage a little bit and then invite my guest to give a little bit more background. His name is Jurgen Neumann, or Jurgen Neumann, I’m not sure how he likes to pronounce it. And he worked for many years, in fact, for decades, as a videographer for Ernst Zundel, or Ernst Zundel, pronounced German. And he was pretty much Ernst Zundel’s right hand man and did very many interesting things, went over to Auschwitz, not just once, but several times.

And probably most of you are familiar with the name Ernst Zundel. He was taken through the court system for reaching the wrong conclusions about World War Two, that untouchable topic that we are all supposed to believe in. Only one narrative, the Holocaust narrative! So that’s a big story.

And I always say this is still very relevant. Obviously, it is still very relevant. They put people in jail still to this day for doubting that story. And there are ever more countries that are criminalizing people who question that narrative. And Ernst Zundel was one of the greats in exposing the lies and revealing the truth about World War Two history and what exactly happened or did not happen in Germany. And Jurgen Neumann is continuing his work to this day with re-uploading videos from that are old interviews, old radio broadcasts that Ernst Zundel did decades ago. And he is busy every day doing this work.

And so I would like to welcome Jurgen Neumann to the show. Are you there?

Jürgen Neumann: I am, Monika. Thank you for having me on.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, you’re so welcome! I’m very, very happy to have you on.

And I think that people are going to learn a thing or two because I learned something new just today, earlier today when we were talking for 20 minutes or half an hour on the phone in anticipation of tonight’s show. And that was really, really great. I learned something new.

So anyway, why don’t you just set the stage a little bit more with your own background and involvement. Because then we will be talking mostly about Ernst Zundel and the greater story about that. But I do want people to know a little bit about you. So go ahead, please.

Jürgen Neumann: All right. Basically, for me, it started back in the early 1970s, anyway.

Now, my father was a German army veteran from World War Two, and so I have a little bit of a connection to that time, etcetera.

And so what happened was that he discovered through another veteran he was talking to, that there was going to be some sort of a meeting going on in Buffalo, New York. And he asked me if I would like to go along, that has something to do with at some German group there. So I agreed to go with them. We went, and I’ll cut this short, of course.

And so we went there, and they showed some films and did some speechifying and things of that nature. And afterwards, there were some book tables around. So I wandered around, figured I should buy a book. So I did. I walked over to a book table, looked at what they had, picked one up, went to, give the money to the gentleman sitting behind the table.

And I always remember that he just looked up at me. It seemed like a long time, but I’m sure it was only a few seconds, but he just did look at me.

And then he opened the book cover and wrote something in it, gave it back to me.

Came home. I got interested in topics, ordered a few books from the United States, and I decided:

“Well, someplace in Canada, maybe I could find some books rather than send my money there.”

And so eventually I thought to myself:

“Oh, somebody wrote something in one of my book covers.”

He did. He wrote his name and phone number, and it was Ernst Zundel. I phoned him, and my father and I went down to see him. And that was in 1975, when I first got to meet him. And we all hit it off with each other, and we started volunteering to come down on weekends and things and do stuff for him, etcetera.

And eventually, in 1980, there was a, … Well, he had been promoting his ideas, of course, to many people mailing out. He would do great mailings, big mailings, to not only his supporters, but to every MP, every MPP, church leaders, things like that, get them informed about what he was discovering.

So eventually, …

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, sorry, I was just going to ask, when you first met him and he was doing these mailings, was that about the topic of World War Two, or was that more about the immigrant situation? Because I know that he had a experienced some disappointments as a German immigrant in Canada, thinking that this would be such a great and wonderful free country. But what was, were those early mailings about? Was it about his discoveries about World War Two?

[07:53]

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, it was.

And as you say, yes, he was very disappointed when he got here because he, at first, he didn’t notice it that much because he only spoke limited English. So he made his [commercial art] business, he got very successful and he learned English. Went to night school to learn English, where he met his wife. And he asked her where she was from and she said:

“I’m from Canada.”

And he thought:

“I’m Canadian, here to learn English. What’s that?”

Turns out she was from Quebec. She only spoke French.

But once he learned English, he started seeing all this anti-German propaganda that was around because it had absolutely nothing to do with what he knew about his people and so on. Then they moved to Quebec and he learned French. And the French language stuff was just as bad.

And that’s how he started getting into this. And he started meeting people, interviewing people who were there, and that’s what he was sharing with his, …

Monika Schaefer: Right. And we had talked earlier about his great moment of “awakening” and he called it being born again [chuckling] in quotation marks, I’ll say And why don’t you set that up for us a little bit?

And then we do have a clip. It’s a four minute clip about his, that moment in his life when he learned the truth! Because when he left Germany as a 20 year old in, I do believe he was 20. He was born in 1939. Is that correct? Am I getting the dates right? He came over in 1950, or maybe it was 58 or 59.

Jürgen Neumann: So he was 18 going on 19.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, okay. He was even younger. And he was very much a pacifist. He just wanted out of war torn Germany.

And of course, he believed all the narratives that were being told then. Correct?

Jürgen Neumann: Correct.

Monika Schaefer: So then just set this up for us before we play that clip. Tell us about the man who helped him. Yeah.

Jürgen Neumann: So anyway, he got active in politics in the sixties, around the mid sixties or so. he was very active. He got on radio talk shows and things, talking about the Arab-Israeli debate. I think it was around the ‘67 war, or something. And anyway, he did a lot of activities and things.

And eventually he was approached by a retired RCMP called special constable. And he said:

“Oh, Mr Zundel, he said, you are interested in all these things. There is a fellow in Quebec that you should actually go see, because he has a great library about all these subjects. And he was involved in a lot of this stuff back in the day, so you should go see him.”

And so he did. He packed up his wife and child, went to Quebec, dropped her off with her mother, I think it was relatives.

And then he went to see this man whose name was Adrien Acand*. He’s a very famous Canadian, especially back in, let’s say, in the thirties and so on. He had a kind of a neo-Fascist party, political party in Quebec.

[* Adrien Arcand was a Canadian fascist politician, writer, and journalist. He founded and led the far-Right National Unity Party of Canada from 1934 until his death in 1967. During his political career, he proclaimed himself as the “Canadian Führer”. Arcand was detained by the federal government for the duration of the World War II under the Defence of Canada, Regulations. Wikipedia]

[See: The Greatest War in History, Now On! — International Jewish System Against National Patriotism – 1937]

So they were doing very well with getting support and running for things. And he was also an army officer in one of the well known French regiments, Quebec regiments. And he was also an editor for one of the largest daily French newspaper, French language newspaper, outside of France. He went to see him and he discovered that as the story went, he goes in there and he introduced himself, Acand looked at him, said:

“Oh, you are one of those brainwashed Germans!”

He said:

“Oh!”

“Yeah, well, come on in, sit down. Would you prefer us to speak in German? Would it be easier for you?”

And he was blown away. This man spoke perfect German.

And so they got to know each other and he started showing him his library of thousands of books and started giving him all the other information that he had been denied all these years.

And so he was quite blown away by the whole thing.

And one of the things that really shook him was the fact that on the day that Germany invaded Poland and Canada declared war on Germany, or three days later.

Anyway, on that day he was arrested with a number of his major people in the party, put in a Canadian concentration camp, without charge for the duration of the war.

Monika Schaefer: That blew my mind! That’s the bit that I learned today. I had heard, I kind of knew that Adrian Arcand had been in some kind of a concentration camp, but I had assumed it was in Europe, that he was still in Europe. So that blew my mind! This was in Canada and that was like basically at the very start of World War Two. Please continue.

Jürgen Neumann: Yes.

So anyway, he said, after his first meeting with Arcand, which lasted about 3 hours, he said, he just kind of “floated out of the room”. He just could not [chuckling] believe what he had heard. And it made sense to him, from what he has already experienced with his own relatives and what he had seen in Germany and so on. Everything he heard made perfect sense to him.

Monika Schaefer: Thank you for that. I think this would be a perfect time to play that clip. So, Frank, if you could play that clip now, that would be great!

[14:26]

Ernst Zundel: Then I had a good fortune. Some people said misfortune. I think it was a good fortune to meet a French-Canadian in Quebec. And I was introduced to him through an Irish-Canadian, who said that this French-Canadian had a very big library about these topics, meaning communism, Bolshevism, jews, race, and I should go and see that man, because to my surprise, he said he was in concentration camp in Canada for six years during the entire Second World War. That was the first time that I heard about non-German concentration camps.

Up until that point, I was 20 years old. I always thought only the Germans had these concentration camps for political dissidents. Well, I was always a person that from the thought to the action, to inform myself or to do anything was a very short one. Some people take a long time, contemplate this, do that, plan this. I say:

“Oh, so there’s this guy in Quebec, even he’s supposed to speak German, because at the time when I was still learning the two languages, I’m gonna hop myself in my old Beetle Volkswagen and make a beeline for Quebec. Look that man up!”

And boy, oh boy, I thought I had culture shock before. Well, let me tell you, I walked into this French-Canadian’s home. It was a room somewhat like this, surrounded by many books, modern art. And he could hear by my accent that I was still struggling with the languages. And so instead of speaking French or English to me, he immediately proceeded to speak German. Big surprise to me! He was a native born Canadian, speaking pretty good German.

And it turns out he had taught himself in the concentration camp, through German prisoners to speak and read German.

And so this French-Canadian, who had been a political party leader in Canada of a very large political party before the Second World War, first called the national social Christian movement, then the National Unity Party of Canada, with a swastika under a little beaver.

So he obviously had national sort tendencies. They were somewhat in the vein of [Oswald] Mosley, you could call him a Canadian Mosley. And he proceeded in a tour de force to take me through German history and European history and world history in about three and a half hours that afternoon. And he had memorized, phenomenal memory, all these books, the points that he was illustrating to me, many of them illustrated by jewish authors, some of them dating back 100 years.

I remember one, a book called Unity in Dispersion, about the jewish dispersion and diaspora around. And about Bolshevism, the jewishness of Bolshevism, the early Bolsheviks. Blew my mind! He was the first one to make the connection between Freemasonry and revolutionaries, bankers. What it was a kind of a very condensed march through European history with the aim of showing me that there was a different side to the story! There was the standard, ordinary version of history, which turned out to be the allied propaganda version of history. Then there was very real European history.

And I’ll tell you, after three and a half hours, I walked out of that man’s room, his library. I don’t think to say to “walk out” is a correct description. I “wafted out” of that place! And it is only comparable, I think, to what Christians, born again Christians say when they found Christ, they are born again. Well, let me tell you, Ernst Zundel was born again in 1960!

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, indeed!

Monika Schaefer: Oops, I forgot to unmute.

Thank you very much, Mr Producer, for playing that clip. That indeed, yes, indeed. That was The Voice of Ernst Zundel telling the story of when he was quote, unquote, “born again” with the truth! And like you were saying, Jurgen, then he felt that everything made a lot more sense!

And so from then on, I think it became a mission of his life to restore the honor of the German people. Would you say that that’s basically the theme, the thread of all his actions in the next few decades? Would you say that would be pretty accurate?

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, that would be a very accurate description. As you say, restore the honor, the reputation of the Germans, generally speaking, and of the wartime generation in particular.

Monika Schaefer: Indeed.

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, that’s what he did. So, as I say, he was doing a lot of his activities in the sixties after he met Adrian Arcand.

And then eventually they had some really big problems in Quebec. And so he decided, him and his wife, they decided to move back to Toronto again. So they moved back to Ontario. And he carried on. He said he mailed out all these things.

And eventually, in 1980. Well, yeah, yeah, he was mailing out all these things. And there was big raids on his supporters in Germany.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, let’s just backtrack a little bit here, because that would have already been in the eighties then. I’m not sure.

But let’s just give a little more background for folks who may note, know this. What a big figure Ernst Zundel was.

He was an extraordinary man.

Now, what he was a very successful businessman, you could say. But what his business was he was a graphic artist, right? And he was earning very good money being a graphic artist, because he was an extremely talented man, very good artist.

Jürgen Neumann: Just to show you how good an artist he was, when we were having problems with the JDL* and things, he was in his office and a jewish gentleman came in to pick up his job that Ernst had retouched for him.

[* The Jewish Internet Defense Force was an organization ran social media campaigns from 2,000 to 2014 against websites and Facebook groups that it described as Islamic terrorism or anti-semitism. The group’s website, whose former domain now links to a gambling site, described the JIDF as a “private, independent, non-violent protest organization representing a collective of activists”. The JIDF was termed “hacktivism” by the BBC and Haaretz. Wikipedia]

And while he standing there waiting for us to pack it up, I asked this jewish gentleman:

“How is it that he could deal with Ernst, who has such big notoriety about the Holocaust and all this kind of stuff?”

And his answer was:

“Ahh, that doesn’t mean anything! Because I come from New York. And in New York, we have the best of everything, because we have the money to pay for the best of everything. And here in Toronto, Ernst is New York quality!”

[22:04]

Monika Schaefer: [chuckling] Wonderful! So he was just the best at it. So, okay. He became successful doing that. When was the race, the leadership race for the Liberal Party in which Ernst Zundel participated? Do you know what year that was?

Jürgen Neumann: I believe that was 1978, I think.

Monika Schaefer: Okay. That’s what I thought. I think it was the seventies still or late seventies. Just so the people listening, I think perhaps most of the listeners are not Canadian here. So you may not know this, but Ernst Zundel, he ran for the leadership of the Liberal Party, which was up for grabs at that time. And the winner of that leadership race would automatically land at 24 Sussex Drive, which is the home of the prime minister of Canada.

In other words, it was between elections that, I don’t know the details anymore of why there was a leadership race, who was stepping down and whatnot? Go ahead.

Jürgen Neumann: It was because the prime minister at the time had become very ill. I forget whether he had cancer or something like that. So he wanted to step down. So he was going to resign because of his illness.

And that’s why it was opened up to a leadership race within the party to become leader of the party, which would automatically make that person prime minister of Canada.

Monika Schaefer: Now, this gave Ernst Zundel a stage, a big, big audience. He was talking on the stage. This was in front of, what, 30 or 40,000 people?

And, of course, it also got broadcasted in the not just in Canada, but in other countries. So millions of people got to see and hear Ernst Zundel talk.

And I think his main issue was the treatment of immigrants in Canada, particularly German immigrants. We’re not talking about the kind of immigrants that are coming now who are the invaders, [chuckling] but from all kinds of third world countries. We’re talking about German immigrants at the time, who, it seems to me, the German people, wherever they went, they would work hard. And basically build up the country wherever they went. So yeah. And he didn’t have any expectations of winning, but it did certainly give him a platform from which to speak.

Jürgen Neumann: He did also talk on behalf of Eastern European immigrants, too, as well.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, good. Yes.

Jürgen Neumann: Because they were also looked down upon, generally speaking, in society. So he was also on their side as well.

Monika Schaefer: Right.

So okay, then let’s go forward to kind of the next major thing that happened in Ernst Zundel’s life. Back to you Jürgen.

Jürgen Neumann: As I kind of jump forward there a bit, to 1980, where there was the German government took upon itself to initiate the biggest raid in German history! And that was a raid on over 2,000 of Ernst supporters in Germany. And they raided all their houses, got all their addresses illegally through the post office. And they weren’t nice about it either. So they raided all these people, they were looking for all Ernst Zundel’s material, videotapes, … Well, not video, audio tapes, booklets, newsletters, all those types of things. And they took it away.

And that spilled over into the news here, of course, etcetera. And the jewish community in Toronto decided that they should demonstrate in front of Ernst Zundel’s place to denounce him as a neo-Nazi and a hate monger, all those things. So we got news of this demonstration and we were preparing for it.

And it turns out that one of his supporters was there who had an electronics business, you know, Hi-Fis, turntables, radios, things like that.

And so he said:

“Ernst, they’re going to come and demonstrate. Have you ever thought of video?”

Because he’s already been working with eight millimeter film, already done a few films. And he said:

“Well, I don’t know, I’m really busy right now organizing this stuff.”

He said:

“Well, okay, I’ll go out and I’ll videotape some of this stuff, this demonstration and you can have a look.”

He said:

“Yeah, yeah. Okay.”

So it happened. The guy went out there, he videotaped what he videotaped. And then after it was all over, come back in, and we’re sitting there winding down. And he said:

“Okay, Ernest, would you like to see what I did?”

He said:

“Yeah, okay.”

So he hooked it up to the television, and I remember this like it was yesterday. He pressed play, the video started, and Ernst eyes got big, looked at it, and he said:

“This is the future!”

Monika Schaefer: This is wonderful, wonderful story! [chuckling]

Jürgen Neumann: So he said:

“Oh, yeah, this is great!”

We watched it, etcetera, for a while, watched it. Then he said:

“Okay, well, we’re going to get into this! Who can we get to do the videos?”

So I put up my hand:

“I’ll volunteer. I’ve never done it. I’ve never done this before, but I will volunteer for it!”

Monika Schaefer: Oh, that’s wonderful! Who was it that did the original, that first video? I thought it was you. It was somebody else, was it?

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, it was somebody else did that.

Monika Schaefer: Okay. Okay, great!

But then you volunteered.

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, the video that is up on the Internet, the part where Ernst is sitting there talking about it. I was the camera guy for that. But all the exterior stuff was this other fellow.

Monika Schaefer: Right. But then you put up your hand and you decided:

“Okay, I’ll volunteer. This is great. Okay, here we go!”

Jürgen Neumann: It was actually 1981, in May 31st, as I recall. It was almost like, depending on who, what source you believe. There was about 2,000 demonstrators out front.

Monika Schaefer: Wow!

You know, I think we’re about to go into a break now, Juergens. So we’ll continue this after the break. And this is just getting me on the edge of my seat. It’s just really, really good! I thought I heard the music. Is that music coming on there? Oh, yeah. Okay. Hang on, everybody.

We’ll be back in a few minutes.

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Monika Schaefer: All right, we are back. The Flipside with Monika and our guest Jurgen Neumann. Before I ask you to continue, Jurgen, I’m just going to remind the listeners that if you have the means and if you possibly can, please do support the Republic Broadcasting Network. So go to Republicbroadcasting.org and you will find the means and methods to donate there, telephone numbers and whatnot.

And I’ll also just let you know that I do have a chat room at the Chatango site. And that is The Flipside W Monika dot Chatango.com. And I did, just before the show, I posted Juergen’s BitChute channel there and his alias there is JohnRobinson101 at Bitchute. And he has been working very, very hard Right to this day. I think daily there are new videos that he is posting and many of them are some very old videos. I think he does some upgrading of the sound and whatnot. Improving the sound. And old Ernst Zundel broadcast radio shows that he used to do. A Voice of Freedom, many of those. And Ernst Zundel did a lot of activity and radio interviews and whatnot.

Okay, so just before the break you were starting to talk about, … Actually, what [chuckling] were we talking about, Jürgen? We had gotten into the early eighties, I think. And the firebombing. Not quite firebombing yet, but the protests, that comes later. That’s right, with the trials. But we’re getting almost there to where that did happen. Go ahead.

Jürgen Neumann: We left off where I volunteered to be the video guy.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, yes, yes! [chuckling] That’s right. And all these people were protesting and that’s how that came about. That’s right. Okay, continue please.

Jürgen Neumann: One of the most, just as a kind of an aside, one of the most things that really sticks out to me in that video of the protests out in front of Ernst Zundel’s place was the police. There was a police line there, right to stop anything untoward happening, storming the house or something of that nature. But what really stuck out, it’s 1981, and how the police were dressed, right? They were dressed in slacks and short sleeve shirts. How were the police dressed nowadays?

Monika Schaefer: Well, they’re like.

Jürgen Neumann: Body armor, machine guns, all this stuff.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Jürgen Neumann: Things have changed a lot. And not for the better.

Monika Schaefer: No, that’s right, yeah. And just on that, I would say they are dressed differently now because it is becoming more and more clear that the government is at war against their own people.

And so they do need to be dressed that way because they know that they are at war with their own people. Back then, it was a little bit more hidden and I think we just didn’t know it yet. But all those lies and whatnot, that was setting the scene for what is going on now. But that’s just an aside. But carry on. Go ahead, please.

Jürgen Neumann: So going back one or two years, in 1979, Ernst met the man who turned out to be the world’s foremost revisionist. A Frenchman by the name of Robert Faurisson. He was a Professor at French universities, so on.

So they had, I guess it was the inaugural opening meeting of the Institute for Historical Review, and it was in Chicago. And so Ernst was invited to that. So he went there, he met Faurisson. He had to actually read Faurisson’s paper, everybody, because Faurisson was so tired from all his traveling and stuff that he wasn’t really in much shape. So he asked Ernest if he would do that.

And by talking to Mr Faurisson he realized that Faurisson said to him, he said:

“He’s been looking at this and investigating and everything, this story about the Holocaust.”

And he said:

“He missed the obvious question at the beginning.”

Which he now says. He says:

“We have to look at what is a gas chamber? It doesn’t matter all the other anti-jewish stuff, it doesn’t matter. What matters is the gas chambers. What does it look like?”

Because he’s been to Auschwitz and stuff like that. And when you get down to the real nitty-gritty, there’s not much of a comparison between a real one and what they were talking about in Auschwitz.

So therefore Ernst, he started, of course, promoting this, promoting all that. We actually, a little later on, we did some videos with him about that subject.

Monika Schaefer: With Robert Faurisson, do you mean?

Jürgen Neumann: Yes. First he was given the publication in German called the, it was entitled, I think was Auschwitz Luge, perhaps by a German World War Two veteran by the name of Thies Christopherson.

Monika Schaefer: Right. And that means the Auschwitz Lie.

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah. So he read that and he was blown away by that.

And so he decided he’s going to go and visit Mr Christopherson, which he did. He went there and he discussed it. It turns out that Christopherson had been, he was in the army, 1939, I believe. Yeah, it was 1939, the Polish campaign. He got a bit of a wound and then they considered him to be a non-combat anymore. He wasn’t good enough to fight anymore. He didn’t agree, but they did.

So eventually he had been a farmer and so they got him by 1940 or so, they sent him to Auschwitz as a agronomist, I guess they call them. And he used to study plants, kind of dandelion plants, grow them, because they produce kind of an elastic type of liquid if you crush them and all that. The whole point of Auschwitz was a plant to produce synthetic fuel and rubber for the tires and all that. And so they were going to use this as one of the additives. So he was there for, I think, a year and a half or something.

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Monika Schaefer: You don’t say! It was a place where they were producing stuff. It wasn’t just a place where they, [laughing] you know.

Anyway, I’m just interjecting there. [chuckling] Okay, go on.

Jürgen Neumann: Well, the actual Auschwitz plant that they built there is still today the biggest chemical plant being used by the Poles in Poland. [chuckling]

So anyway, so he talked to him. And so that was another thing he started promoting. And not long after that, he was introduced to that booklet, Did Six Million Really Die? And so he was promoting that everywhere.

And because of that, next thing you know, [chuckling] he was invited onto a TV show in Hamilton. It’s called Cherington [The Tom Cherington Show (1983) – https://www. BitChute.com/video/omGAPCI4YOuK /]. The host was a well known fellow, talk show type of deal. And Ernst was invited on there to face the woman who had charged him for his postal hearing. Or did I not mention that yet?

Monika Schaefer: No. Yeah, that’s right. Go ahead. Mention that. [chuckling]

Jürgen Neumann: 1980 postal hearing. He got a letter from the Minister of Posts.

Monika Schaefer: Like you’re talking Canada, Post.

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, Canada, Post. The letter said:

“This is the last letter you will receive.”

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, they were doing something completely unheard of and completely unlawful! And they were cutting off his mail! Which had serious repercussions. It means he wouldn’t get any correspondence, let alone bills that he had to pay. Or for his work, you know, contracts, whatever.

Jürgen Neumann: So, yeah, and we had to go get the electrical bill and the insurance bills and then pay. He’d write out checks, and stuff. We’d have to go back and hand them back into the company because there’s no mail.

So this went on for about a year, until we finally got a hearing. And the hearing was longest one in Canadian history. I think it was about a week long. And the woman who made the charge against him, Sabina Citrone, she brought in a file, kind of a binder, about two, three inches thick, of all kinds of materials. And here’s all the hateful stuff that Ernst Zundel was sending in the mail. Because, you know, he’s trying to get it back. Of course, it’s an appeal.

So we looked at all the stuff. Eventually, it was quite obvious that 99% of what was in that binder had nothing to do with Ernst Zundel. So he hadn’t produced any of it, hadn’t mailed any of it. He didn’t even realize half of it existed.

Monika Schaefer: What was it? They it just put a bunch of other stuff from other people into the binder? Like, was it just, what was it?

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah, it was just mostly stuff like KKK type of racist material.

Monika Schaefer: They just put stuff on him basically. They wanted to just smear him by some kind of a association or non-Association or whatever?

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, that he had been mailing this around. Anyway.

Monika Schaefer: Lying! Anyway. Lying! [chuckling]

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah.

Anyway, he won. He won it.

And then they refused to give him a copy of the transcript. But that took him, I forget how many years, ten years or something, to finally be able to look at it, but they wouldn’t give him a copy of it.

So he had his lawyer with him, and she typed out the whole transcript on her laptop, because they wouldn’t give a copy of it.

Monika Schaefer: Wow!

Jürgen Neumann: Anyway, (((Sabina Citrone))), she was the one who’s going to be on this Cherington Show with another lawyer. And Ernst was going to be sitting across from them. And they went to it. And it was a really good show. It was like an hour and a half, I think, something like that. Live. It was really neat. He did very good job.

And then after it was over, we left the studio. We’re sitting in the lobby and you can still you still hear the program running because they had TVs in the lobby and stuff for people who would sit there. And Cherington said:

“Oh, and we’ll guess we’ll see what will happen, because there’s going to be a court case and we’ll see what’s going to happen.”

Monika Schaefer: Oh! Wow!

Jürgen Neumann: And Ernst pricked up his ear and:

“Oh, what? Court case? What’s this?”

Hadn’t heard anything about it.

And sure enough, two days later, along comes the serving of the papers that you have been charged with. Well, actually, they didn’t charge them with “hate” or anything, they just charged them with “spreading false news”.

Monika Schaefer: Right, this spreading false news.

But I find that very interesting, that these television sorts seem to have the inside knowledge of what’s going to happen.

Now, who was putting that into their ear, I wonder? And why did they have that inside knowledge of that Ernst Zundel was going to be charged? I find that very interesting! Wow!

Jürgen Neumann: Anyway, so that went on to his moving ahead to his first trial. Went to court a couple of times, preliminary hearing. Had to fight our way into court. And just that every time we went into court, judges say:

“Oh, the prosecution’s not ready yet. Has to come back.”

He had do that three times, to fight our way into court.

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Monika Schaefer: Wow!

And fighting your way into court, just to clarify for people who don’t know, that meant you were kind of running the gauntlet of all these violent thugs!

Jürgen Neumann: Oh, yeah, it was a literal fight. Literally fight! The first one, first two times, there was no police around us. Ernst and us supporters we literally had to fight our way into court. Because, of course, if you didn’t go in, then you’d automatically lose by not appearing in court.

Monika Schaefer: Right.

Jürgen Neumann: The third time, I think they finally brought out a lot of police to try to keep everybody apart.

Monika Schaefer: Right.

Jürgen Neumann: Anyway, and it was during that trial that he first reached out to the revisionist community and said:

“Okay, everybody, now’s your chance! I need witnesses, we need information.”

And that’s when revisionism really got off the ground.

Monika Schaefer: Indeed.

Jürgen Neumann: Because it was broadcast, well, kind of around the world, but certainly in North America for, was it six weeks?

Everyday in the news, the newspapers and everything.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, exactly! And I’ll just interject here briefly. Like, I do remember, that was 1985 and I was a young adult.

And I remember it was daily news. Daily news! But for me at that time, it was kind of just background noise. But I did I didn’t think much of it. I didn’t look into it yet. And I was very much still asleep at the wheel and in The Matrix. But the media, the way they presented things, it. Ernst Zundel sounded like kind of a kooky guy, sort of a madman and a bad man, too. But I didn’t make that judgment of, oh, he’s evil. No, nothing like that. But he just was kind of a:

“Well, wow! Why would somebody do that? What he’s doing? Like the holocaust? I mean, of course it happened!”

You know, it was just as solid as the nose on your face that it happened. That’s how it was for me, my impressions.

But, yeah, it was daily news. Daily news. I mean, you couldn’t not hear about it if you lived in Canada at that time and were not with your head totally in the sand.

But you know what I did find out later when I learned more about it and read about it, if I had looked beyond the headlines, like in the newspapers, for example, if I had actually read the fine print, I would have learned a lot! It was amazing what the newspapers actually did, write! I mean, their headlines, the titles of their articles were very bad!

And a lot of people just skim over the headlines and then they move on to the next page or whatever. But within those articles, there was absolute, like, bombshell! Like it was a bomb. Like it was amazing! It was just blowing their narrative straight out of the like, it was just blowing apart their narrative, really, because they were writing what was actually going on in that trial. Back to you, Juergen.

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, exactly what was happening.

And what was very interesting about it was the court proceedings started at 10:00 am in the morning, and people started lining up to get a seat in the court at 08:00 in the morning to make sure they would get in.

Monika Schaefer: Wow!

Jürgen Neumann: That’s how much interest there was. And one morning, everybody was standing there in the hall outside the courtroom. Big line up there, people waiting. And what comes along, a jewish school class comes in and they usher them right into the courtroom.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, boy!

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah. Oh, boy! Was there a revolution out in the hall! And there was an outcry to such an extent that they removed the school class.

Monika Schaefer: [laughing] I hadn’t heard about this before. Wow! Carry on.

Jürgen Neumann: Yeah. You guys gotta wait your turn like everybody else. That was good. I never thought that they would do that, but they did. So that was good. There was some honesty back then.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Jürgen Neumann: So, yeah, so anyway, it was six weeks or thereabouts, and then there was an appeal, and then the appeal was lost. No, it was won. And then it was up to the Attorney General. Not the Attorney General, but, …

Monika Schaefer: Crown prosecutor?

Jürgen Neumann: No. The main legal head of Ontario.

Monika Schaefer: Right.

Jürgen Neumann: Who to say, either we dropped the whole thing or have another trial. And he said:

“We’re going to have another trial.”

So that turned into the 1988 trial, which had even more information that went on for almost four months.

Monika Schaefer: Right! Now, I’ll just say a couple of words about these trials. The 1985 trial, there were “Holocaust survivors”. I’m putting that in quotation marks. Eyewitnesses on the stand. And did those eyewitnesses come back in 88, or did they have other eyewitnesses in 1988, Juergen?

Jürgen Neumann: No, they did not return, because as far as history goes, it was the first time that former camp inmates were properly cross examined by a lawyer!

Monika Schaefer: Right.

Jürgen Neumann: And what came out guaranteed that they are not going to come back again. [chuckling]

Monika Schaefer: Right. In other words, their testimony was absolutely shredded to bits!

Jürgen Neumann: Yes, absolutely! Totally!

Of course, one of the favorite ones was the fellow who said:

“Oh, yeah they were burning all these jews in Auschwitz. And I could tell. I look at the crematoriums, and the color of the flaming smoke coming out there would tell me the ethnic background of the jews that they were burning that day. Green for Polish jews, and red for Hungarian jews.”

Even the prosecutor kind of hurried that up.

Tried to shut him up.

Monika Schaefer: Because they knew it was just so much garbage. Oh, my goodness!

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Jürgen Neumann: Oh yeah. I mean, even the prosecutor could see that.

Monika Schaefer: Even the prosecutor was kind of embarrassed about that and knew this is not going to bode well for our side if these witnesses are making up such ridiculous garbage! [chuckling] Anyway, it’s pretty funny, that one. Yeah. It’s so unbelievable that it’s hard to believe, but there it is. It’s in the transcripts that got said in court. There are many witnesses [chuckling] that had heard that.

Jürgen Neumann: Oh, yeah. The other interesting thing is, of course, they have a preliminary hearing to see if there’s going to be a trial.

And one of the witnesses at the preliminary hearing before the trial started was Sabrina Citrone, because as a teenager, she was picked up and sent to Auschwitz. So she was there. And in the preliminary hearing, her testimony was such that she didn’t come to the trial. Because her story really didn’t fit well with the holocaust narrative.

Monika Schaefer: Okay. So her, her own handlers advised her:

“You better stay away!”

Is that correct?

Jürgen Neumann: I imagine.

Yeah, if we have enough time. I’ll give you a quick rundown on her story.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah! Please!

Jürgen Neumann: She’s young. She gets scooped up. She gets off the train on the selection ramp at Auschwitz. We know that everybody says:

“Now, you go to the Left, you go to work, you go to right, you go up the chimney. Nobody gets out of Auschwitz except for up the chimney.”

So here’s what she said:

“She gets off, she’s sitting there. And the officer, whoever it is, comes up, says ‘Okay.’ And so he looks at her, ‘Okay, you’re young as well. You go over there with that group who’s going to work.’ And she said, ‘I’m not going to work for you Nazis!”

Paraphrase a little bit:

“Yes, you are! No, I’m not! Yes, you are. No, I’m not. Okay, if you’re not, then you go with that group!”

So she goes off with the other group. What does the other group do?

The other group goes off to the barracks. They get all decked out. And whatever they did, and she hung around and did nothing for a week. Just goofed around, ate, you know, wandered around, did whatever she wanted to do.

And then at the end of the week, her and the rest of the people from that group got put on another train and shipped out of Auschwitz to Germany.

Monika Schaefer: Wow! This is not something.

Jürgen Neumann: Late 1944. But here’s what’s really something. The train that they were on was a regular passenger train.

Monika Schaefer: Hmm. Not a cattle car?

Jürgen Neumann: It was regular passenger trains. She said the only dead jews that she actually saw was as they were driving through part of Germany and the train were attacked by allied fighter bombers.

Monika Schaefer: Right.

Jürgen Neumann: She [words unclear] and some of the jews got killed by the allied fighter bombers.

Monika Schaefer: Juergen, I can see that. I have to have you back soon. We only have about a minute left, and there was so much more to talk about. I mean, your trips to Auschwitz. We didn’t even touch on that. We haven’t really touched on the 1988 Trial and we are just touching the surface here. This is just incredibly interesting, but I want to make sure that people know where to find you. I alluded to it earlier.

Can you just tell us about your BitChute channel and what’s your alias there? How to find you?

Jürgen Neumann: It’s not actually an alias. It’s just the title of the channel.

Monika Schaefer: Okay.

Jürgen Neumann: Anyway, for those who want to get there and have a look at all these things, it’s go to the BitChute platform and type in JohnRobinson101 [https:// www. BitChute.com/channel/pcBHZPgCtR2a]. All one word, and my channel should come up and you could enjoy and be educated.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, that’s fantastic! Yeah. I did say that you had been several times to Auschwitz. But you know what? I would like to have you back. And I do hear the music.

Is there anything else you’d like to say? Just going out words. Yeah.

Jürgen Neumann: One more quickie on my channel. I have over a thousand videos! So you’ve got a lot to look at.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, yes. And it will be a good education. Juergen, thank you so very much for being my guest today. The hour just flew by. That’s a good sign. [chuckling] And I’ll see you all next week. Bye bye for now.

Jürgen Neumann: Bye bye.

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1  Harry October 15, 03:04 How could there not be a decent sounding clip of Ernst Zundel audio? It’s clipping badly like someone amplified the volume all the way up…. And after the clip, she thanked the producer for playing it. Whereas I might have had some choice words… Seriously guys, it’s 2024 and we’ve all been doing this for years, so let’s get things right. I’ve been hearing so many technical errors and downright incompetence, I’m almost starting to think it’s deliberate. As if this is the new controlled opposition, where we won’t necessarily tell lies or conceal the jew, but we WILL be incompetent and waste everyone’s time with technical issues, vulgarity, etc.  Reply to this comment

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The Flipside with Monika – Ep 09 with Grace Eki Oyama – Aug 24, 2024 – Transcript

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Monika Schaefer

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 09

with Grace Eki Oyama

Sat, Aug 24, 2024

[In this weekly podcast, episode 09, on Republic Broadcasting Network, Canadian nationalist and author, Monika Schaefer talks with her guest, Grace Eki Oyama.

Key points include:

Background on how Monika met Grace at Arthur Topham’s speech crime trial in 2015, in Canada.

Discussion of Grace’s background in writing, translation and meeting influential figures like Eustace Mullins and David Icke.

Grace’s short video, The World Owes Germany an Apology for World War Two.

Grace’s comment on war: “Without deception, war is not possible, that war is propaganda.”

Introduction of the topic of musical frequencies, particularly A440 vs A432.

Grace explains: “Verdi thought this was the best that it should be. This was the best pitch.”

Discussion on how 432 Hz tuning feels more natural for singers.

Grace mentions: “When I changed my piano tuning to 432, my daughter, who was in kindergarten, said, ‘much more relaxing’.”

Introduction of the topic of three stages of childhood development in Japanese philosophy.

Grace discusses the importance of protecting childhood innocence and the dangers of over-sexualisation.

Caller Kathleen mentions a book called “The 440 Conspiracy” about the shift to 440 Hz tuning.

Caller Nightingale shares a personal mystical experience from childhood.

Grace comments on the importance of silence: “Silence is the base of everything.”

Discussion of water crystal experiments showing different patterns at 432 Hz vs 440 Hz.

Caller John from New Hampshire expresses interest in connecting with Grace due to shared Italian background.

Brief discussion of the 528 Hz frequency.

Caller Chris provides information about “The 440 Enigma” book.

Grace’s final comment: “Remember that your voice is the free gift of so-called God and nature, an instrument you already have inside.”

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Guest – Grace Eki Oyama – long time revisionist, writer, translator and artist. We discuss music frequencies – which have been tampered with – as well as Japanese philosophy on the three stages of childhood, and how development is arrested by certain malevolent forces.

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Monika Schaefer: Greetings. Good day. Good afternoon. Hello, wherever you are. Today’s date is August, 24, 2024. This is episode nine of The Flip Side with Monika. And I am your host, Monika Schaefer. Before I introduce today’s guest, I’ll give you the phone numbers to call after the bottom of the hour. We like to invite guests or callers to call in. And those numbers are 512-248-8252 or 1800 313 9443.

Okay, today’s guest is Grace Eki Oyama. And I’ll just give you a brief, a story of how I met Grace Eki. And this was back in 2015. So nine years ago almost. I attended the trial, the speech crime trial of Arthur Topham in Quesnel, British Columbia, Canada. And there I met some very interesting people.

And one of the people I met was Grace Eki Oyama. And it turns out she had attended other such trials and was very, very knowledgeable in many things.

And at that time we were talking about World War Two history, those kinds of things. The kind, the very subject that I got into some trouble with the powers that should not be, the Holocaust subject and all those things. So Grace Eki Oyama has been in this for a long time.

And today we’re going to talk about some other subjects a little bit different from that. But I’ll just, before I bring her on, I will just say that in my Chatango site, this is the chat room. And how you can find that chat room, it’s all spelled out The Flipside W Monika. So instead of with. It’s just a W.

So the Flipside W Monika Chatango. That’s Chatango. Chatango. Chatango.com. And I posted a video. It’s a five minute short video. It’s called The World Owes Germany an Apology for World War Two. And that’s a video of Grace Eki, who made this very brilliant and succinct little five minute talk, which was this apology.

And so I’ll let her talk a little bit about that too, because we were just revisiting that a few minutes ago. But the subject we’re going to talk about today are about musical frequency. And people have probably heard about 440 being the standard tuning for A and many people these days are aware that perhaps 432 might be a better frequency. So that’s one of our subjects.

And the other subject, and I had put this into the show notes, if you’re going to find this in the archives, is on the three stages. This is a Japanese philosophy about the three stages of development, childhood development. And I will let her just discuss that at length. So, Grace Eki, are you there?

Grace: Yes. Hello, Monika.

Monika Schaefer: Welcome.

Grace: Thank you.

Monika Schaefer: Would you like to start about this, the title of that video? Because we just talked about that a few minutes ago.

Grace: Yes. Because often it’s not me who put the title, but what I wanted to say. And if you. The idea was war is war. And then I feel that the world does owe an apology for what happened to the Germans, actually, after the war, how they were treated, and also the fact that there is no real official peace treaty, and the expellees, et cetera, et cetera. I think that’s very important for people to know and understand, because it leads away for the problem in what’s happening now in Palestine. There is a similarity, but the fact that it is not known at all, it’s a shame, because it’s things that, oh, including the Nuremberg, which was not a real trial, nor was it very fair.

And so that was the part that I wanted people to be at least conscious of.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, thank you for that. Just clarifying that that wasn’t, you know, our main subject today. But it does give the audience, the listener, a little bit of background about first of all, I explained how I met you was at this speech crime trial. And why don’t you give a little bit of a snapshot about background of yourself? I know you’ve done many things. You’ve lived in many places. You’ve been a writer, you’ve been a translator.

Can you just give maybe a couple of minutes, a bit of background of yourself?

Grace: Well, a couple of minutes.

Monika Schaefer: Maybe that’s not possible! [chuckling]

Grace: Once we get into the detail, we can go all over. But maybe, just as an honor to my father, I just want to add the fact that my father participated in World War Two. And the fact that he is a martial artist of karate.

So I wanted to say that you are brought up in a different environment than if my father was a banker, or a businessman, or a Professor, let’s say. And that was one thing.

And then later on, I worked with this researcher, a Japanese researcher who would also make history on his own. But his name is Ryu Ota. And Ota is the one who got me very much interested in, … Well, what really happened was when Eustace Mullins came to Japan, there was a presentation with a professional translator. And the translator, I realized, wasn’t really translating, not accurately. And it was about 9/11. And whatever Mr Mullins was saying, basically, she was translating it the opposite. I almost thought she could be a saboteur. But later on, I understood this, that we, first of all, in Italian they say, “translator traitors”. “Traditore, traditore”. Because it can’t be helped because you can only translate something that you understand. So she wasn’t, I feel, purposely doing that. But from her standard of knowledge and common sense, the alternative so-called conspiratorial theory sounded so absurd, I think she just couldn’t digest it and kind of purified the translation.

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Monika Schaefer: Wow! And when you say 9/11, you’re talking about 9/11, the events of September 11, 2001, right?

Grace: Correct?

Monika Schaefer: To clarify, yes. Oh, that’s very interesting.

Grace: Well, he said a lot of interesting things, but she was diluting it down.

But anyway, so what I did was I wrote out what Mr Mullins said and what the translator said, and how I would have translated what I feel he really said. And I showed it to Ota. And ever since then, he’s asked me to basically become his translator. And through him, I met really not just Eustace Mullins, but he had more than 13 books by John Coleman translated into Japanese. Now he’s famous for the Committee of Three Hundred. He also, I think, was the first to talk about Bohemian Club and Bilderberg. I was also his translator when David Icke came two times when Ota called David Ike to Japan, for example. And he would have called Webster Tarpley. But unfortunately, he became ill and died. And that was about 2009 anyway.

So that taught me very much. That’s how I found out a lot about true history in the West. Yeah, true history in the West.

Despite this slogan of “democracy and freedom”, there really wasn’t., … You know, one of the reason about Arthur Topham’s trial is like, do we really have free speech? And ever since I found out about Zundel.

Monika Schaefer: Ernst Zundel.

Grace: Yes. And when the court in Canada, when the court judged that “truth is no defense”, I was so shocked! Because, well, how else are you expected to defend yourself? Yes, I just found it so absurd!

And I think that is, at least in, as far as Canada is concerned, that was when things started to crack. That was like the beginning of the cracking of the justice system.

And the other thing is that I really, honestly believe in freedom of speech. Even for your enemies, even for things that you don’t like. Because that’s the only way. I don’t want to sound like cliche, but the only way to peace is through negotiation and through diplomacy and so forth. And it saddens me also to see what is happening with Ukraine and Russia, too.

But instead of diplomacy or negotiation, basically a dialogue, it seems that the world has gone mad, and it’s like more money, more arms, more of the things that’s, more sanctions more of the things that’s really not a solution or working!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. And I would say the really important element is deception. Right? In all these things that are happening.

Grace: Well, like, I think we would all agree that without deception, war is not possible, that war is propaganda!

Monika Schaefer: I’ve never heard anybody say it that way. That’s really, really good! That’s profound. I would say. [chuckling]

Grace: Thank you.

But I also think you have to demonize the enemy, because if you had one drop of sympathy, imagination, or compassion, you really could not have war.

So you have to demonize or as an “alien”, I say alien in quotation Mark because it can mean many things, but something so foreign and different and something to be demonized! And I’m sure you would understand.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

And, I mean, otherwise you wouldn’t have all these soldiers going and killing people who look like them, especially all these brother wars. Cousin wars.

Grace: Yeah.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. For sure. So, Grac Eki, that’s really very, very good! Thank you. I didn’t know how your beginnings were in translation, but that’s how you met all these people and then learned a lot about true history. And then I know that you were a writer for a while, I think, at the American Free Press.

Grace: No. Well, I had a job with them at the Barnes Review for a while, but it was very short. It was work, but that’s how I managed to go to Palestine in Israel.

So I am very appreciative of their help at that time.

Monika Schaefer: Right, right. Okay. Well, would you, do you feel ready to jump into the first of our subjects that we., … And the reason we’re going to talk about this, people might say:

“Well, why? This is kind of unrelated to anything else.”

But Gracie spent a few weeks with me a month or so ago, and we, of course, had time to talk about lots of things.

And I like to play music, and we talked about these frequencies. And generally, people, the standard tuning is for A is 440.

Now, anybody who plays and tunes up their instrument, they’ll know that.

Now, we talked about this other frequency, A 432. And I was just delighted and surprised to hear Grace Eki talk about this because you revealed to me that a lot about this.

And so I thought:

“Oh, well, we have to talk about this on the show.”

[chuckling] So tell us a little bit about how did that come to be that this frequency of 440 was pushed upon us. I think that’s what we had talked about when you were here.

Grace: But Monika, it’s not always 440. It can be 442. And I have heard of 446, so it isn’t always 440 either. It can even be higher.

Monika Schaefer: Well, I’ve heard that there are some orchestras that in Europe, for example, who are pushing to have the 442 tuning, and it’s just kind of tightening things up.

I feel like it’s tightening up a tight wire and to the bursting point or something. So go ahead and talk about the history, perhaps.

Grace: I would also say from 1980 to 85, I was in Italy actually studying music, you see, and around that time, there was also this revival of Baroque music and original instruments.

So I was always interested in this. But in order to save time, I will be a little bit practical.

I happen to be very, very fond of the Italian composer Verdi. This is also called La Verdiana, meaning Verdi’s A, meaning. He thought this was the best that it should be. This was the best pitch. So I assume that was the pitch he was writing in.

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Monika Schaefer: Sorry, which was the best pitch?

Grace: Well, it depends how you count it. But basically 432.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Grace: If you want to really get into the science and all this is actually supposed to be like 430.8 or something, but because it depends how you count it from, the, C equals 256.

But in order to simplify, I also, later on, I knew, have you ever heard of Schiller Institute in Washington, DC?

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Grace: But anyway, there was a politician called Lyndon Larouche and his wife Helga, who is German. She heads the Schiller Institute. They only doer. Music and performances in a A equals 430 or 432. And from their Institute, if you Google, you can see musicians actually performing for you in two different pitch. I was lucky. I tried to look for some of the things that I managed to experience a long time ago, but not everything is on the Internet still, and I couldn’t find it.

So I’ll tell you one radio program with Carlo Bergonzi, but he was like the Italian star tenor. And in that radio program, he actually has three, like, graduate students in music singing opera arias in both pitches.

And all of them said that it feels so much natural to sing in 432 as opposed to 440. And Bergonzi would explain why he feels that is. I also, …

Monika Schaefer: Can you tell us a little bit about that? Why that is? Why does it feel better?

Grace: Well, first of all, I think you are getting, apparently the standard for classical music was about 430, 32, definitely until the fifties with Fruk Wengler [sp].

Now, you know, there are many people who like retro recordings. Could there be a possibility that the pitch does also influence? Is one.

And the other thing is that let’s try to get nearer to the composer’s original intent.

And the other thing is that without going into too much detail, we have chest and middle voice and high voice.

Now, if you, if the tuning is too high, your voice register changes at the wrong place, and that may not reflect correctly with the words that’s meant to be colored. Before you go and ask me, let me just add, I was also fortunate enough, … So there was a time when these musicians were actually doing presentation, like Norbert Brining. He was like the head of the Amadeus Quartet, and he actually played Bach Partita in two tones right in front of you, and you can feel the difference.

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

Grace: Now, at the same time, I also want to tell you that there are people who like brilliant, who don’t like, who prefer the more brilliant tilling sounds.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Grace: And, but anyway, Verdi lost. Why? Apparently the Russian military equipments were already tuned higher and it, they can be more penetrating and they can be heard much better at distance. So for like, military bands in the 1800s.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Grace: That was their preferred pitch.

Monika Schaefer: I just want to, if I may jump in, for people who have not heard about this and they might think, well, why don’t you just play in a different key? That’s not actually what happens with this different tuning. It’s not just simply playing in a lower key. Like instead of C being C, go to B flat or something. That’s not what’s happening. This frequency is, I would say it’s less than a quarter tone or something. It’s really just a change in frequency. And it literally just is., … It’s something that we, … We all have a vibration. We all have a frequency. Everything around us is vibrating at a frequency. And the 432 frequency for the A is, to my knowledge, a more natural frequency that we simply, our bodies will vibrate more naturally to that.

So that’s the important point to make here. Otherwise people will say:

“Well, why don’t you just play lower, play in a lower key?”

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Grace: Just like when you change the tonality, the coloring of the piece changes. It’s a very subtle difference. But I would just say that for people interested, try looking for this kind of experiment that was done where they would switch the pitch, and you can also see what you, how you feel.

And as a last comment on this, I want to add that when I changed my piano tuning to 432, my daughter, who was in kindergarten, said:

“Much more relaxing!”

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Grace: That was the key for me.

Monika Schaefer: Yes. So I did that once, Gracie Aki. I paid the piano tuner extra because it took longer, and I got him to tune my piano down to 432.

But then my next music jam, when I was asking all the musicians to tune their instruments down the guy with the twelve string guitar, [chuckling] and they didn’t appreciate it! [chuckling] So it didn’t work out. Well, that’s the problem. When we have this standard tuning that everybody’s tuned to and when we’re playing with people, we have to come to the agreement where we’re going to be tuned at. And what about accordions? I mean, all these instruments are tuned to that certain frequency.

So that’s a little bit of a, just a technical problem with this.

But it’s an interesting subject, and I do hope that maybe we’ll get some callers after the bottom of the hour on that subject.

I mean, I don’t want to be sounding like we’re jumping around one subject to another, but I think these things all kind of do relate back to us because it’s like we’re being, you know, damaged or assaulted on all fronts, and this is one of them. I do think that the musical frequencies is just another way that those who wish us harm are, you know, degrading us and this kind of thing. But unless you had something more that you wanted to talk about that.

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Grace: Well, yeah, let me ask you, more for people can also try and find things, but 432 mathematically is two to the fourth power times three to the third power. And I have seen documentation how it corresponds with many other amphithegorian numbers.

But we don’t have time to really go into that. But I feel like, and before we go into that, let me, can I give you my favorite quote of Mozart, which is that he said:

“Music is painted on the canvas of silence.”

And that’s the other thing we are lacking. We don’t have enough silence!

And the other thing is that I think there is, music is used especially, … How can I explain this? Okay. Records used to, the sound would come in waves.

And I’m not so sure about the cassette, but I think it’s still rather relaxing compared to the CDs, all this digital sound, they actually come in square blocks exactly like in the computer screen. If you enlarge it’s made from little squares.

Monika Schaefer: Yes. Pixels and pixels, right?

Grace: Correct. And it’s the same thing with music. You break it down into blocks and then you remake it, but it’s in blocks as opposed to waves. This is my personal comment, and I’m very much interested if anybody else ever felt the same, but I don’t listen so much to CDs anymore. It hurts my ear after a while.

Monika Schaefer: That’s so interesting. There’s a real resurgence in people buying records. Records, actual records, because it is a different quality of sound. It really is. And I’m sure that many people are nodding their heads as we’re speaking about this. For sure. For sure.

And that quote, because I just interrupted just when you were saying it was Mozart, did you say?

Grace: Yes. It’s hard to find the original, so I cannot guarantee.

But it’s supposed to be something he wrote in a letter.

Monika Schaefer: I think it’s very apt. We do need silence, and it’s Sorely lacking. [chuckling]

Grace: And [chuckling] the fact that it’s only beautiful because there’s the pause is one. And second. Mozart was like a kind of child prodigy that can say:

“Oh, the birds are Twittering in G major.”

For example, and I think he could hear natural sounds and decipher them better than many of us.

But I think that’s one of the reasons why his work is so eternal. And it seems to, … I’ve read research is how it increases the IQ of children.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, yes.

Actually, that’s a very good point. People say if you have Mozarte while you’re studying, you do better on your exams! [chuckling]

Grace: Interesting! No? And so but shall I, … Let’s move to the next.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, I just found this was the most interesting thing. And we’ll just have a couple of minutes before the bottom of the hour to touch on, but we’ll continue after the break. But you had talked to me about this Japanese. It’s a philosophy about the three stages of childhood. Go ahead.

Grace: It’s like a seven year cycle, but actually it corresponds very well to what Rudolph Steiner felt and thought, at least as far as education is concerned.

But this is the way I interpret. Well, in Japan, you are not adult until you are 20.

Monika Schaefer: Or 21? No? Because you said three times seven. The seven year cycle. Yes?

Grace: Well, although let’s say in the year that you will be 21, you are officially an adult. And it seems strange because if it’s just physical, you seem to have matured much earlier on. But apparently research has shown that human brain takes that long to genuinely finish maturing and growing, 20 years.

And the other thing I was trying to say is that, okay, for the first seven years, you’re just growing physically and you need a lot of physical activity. And then seven from 14, then you get your education in grammar and the basis. And then from, like, 14 till later, it’s, I think it corresponds to the classical concept of rhetoric. You know, grammar first, dialectic first, and then rhetorics. But it also, I don’t know exactly where and how I got this idea, but you’re physically, maybe even a 14, 15, you’re more or less done.

But as far as the concept of philosophy, physics, abstraction, spirituality, that kind of realm, you really don’t understand, you have to be at least 14, more or less. You know, we all have, like, I’m not talking about child prodigies or exceptional people. But usually it takes that long for you to really start to have that kind of capability to comprehend.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, it’s like the philosophical, the spiritual development, all of those things start after maturing.

We’ll come back after the break, Grace Eki, and you can discuss some of the factors that are stalling those processes. So please stick around and we’ll be back after the break.

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Monika Schaefer: All right, welcome back. That music is so beautiful! And it just makes me think of what you just told me about before World War Two, anyway, that it would have been commonplace for families in Europe and Germany to be playing chamber music together after supper, after dinner.

And can you imagine the enrichment that provided in their lives as opposed to being stuck in front of a screen.

But anyway, before we go on with our discussion, I’m just going to remind the listener, if you have the means, please, please do support the Republic broadcast broadcasting network.

And if you go to the website, there will be all the information there. There’s still the special on T-shirt that’s still going on right through September. A special T-shirt? I would say if you do, I think it’s a $100 donation.

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Okay. So we were going to get onto these three stages of development and this third stage, which is critically important, but it’s less visible to the eye because the physical growth has happened. And the learning, a lot of the learning is in school, like, you were talking about the grammar and this, that.

But this other thing that happens, it’s like philosophical spiritual development that comes in that third stage, does it not? And we had talked about, what are some of the things that could arrest that development? This is the critical part. Go ahead.

Grace: Well, like, I’ll put it bluntly. Sexualization! Over sexualization at a young age.

Now, the West is theoretically at least a Christian country.

And I think it’s somewhere in the Bible or the New Testament. Doesn’t it say something like:

“Children should not see wicked things.”

Or do you know?

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, no, I’m not familiar with, did you say a Bible verse?

Grace: But, anyway, innocence should be protected and childhood should be protected. It’s like you don’t offer a cigarette to a six year old.

Monika Schaefer: Right? No! And what are we seeing in the schools? I mean, this is a subject that we talk about often. I’ve talked about it before, the hyper sexualization, and it is shocking what is going on in the schools. And this is a direct attack on us, on our people, on our children. And my goodness, it’s beyond even just exposure. It’s like downright, you know, poisoning of the minds. And then even physical like:

“Oh, yeah, you don’t feel like a girl today. You want to take these hormone puberty blocking things and, oh, well, oh, well, just. Sure, we can cut off that penis!”

I mean, it is just over the top, outrageously bad what is going on! And I mean, it already, it started a while back, but now it’s just accelerated to beyond belief! And, you know what you say:

“Okay, there’s hypersexual or over sexualization of children at too young, of age.”

This arrests, arrests their emotional development.

Grace: And many other things. And it’s like, I think this was the metaphor I gave to you. It’s like you cannot force open a flower to blossom while it’s in the bud. You would damage it forever! You have to have patience, and it has to grow. Everyone, basically, personally, you have to discover so-called sex or sexuality in some ways on your own, because the internal makings of a human being is far more complicated. And you have to let it blossom in quotation Mark “naturally”, because we have been so cut off from nature. So everyone has to kind of figure it out by refining their instinct.

But it’s just like children can mimic words to appear sophisticated, but to have had the experience to back it up.

And frankly, there was a Japanese writer that said he feels sorry for the younger generation of Japanese because in Japanese there is a word for “love”, and there is another word specifically for “falling in love”. And he said that children have no time, basically, to discover that mysterious emotion of falling in love, for example.

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

Grace: And the other thing is you know why I think the other thing is, in childhood you must play a lot!

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

Grace: It’s very important. Well, one of the things, and also you can’t, I think, the way they keep the children so occupied. So yeah. Because sometimes you must have a lot of breathing space and you must sometimes even be bored for you to become creative. I wonder if that’s an oxymoron.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, you’re absolutely right! I’ll just tell you, the German word for “boredom” is “Langeweile”, which literally means “long while”.

So it’s a completely different meaning on that. And I love that.

But, you know what? We have a couple of callers on the line.

Kathleen: Yes.

Monika Schaefer: And let’s take Kathleen from Texas.

Hello, Kathleen, are you there?

Kathleen: Hey, Monika and Grace. A great show. And I called because I heard an author interviewed about ten years ago, maybe on RBN, and he wrote a book called the “440 Conspiracy”. And it was all about. I heard him interviewed several times. It was very interesting. And he had said many of the things you’re talking about, but he was talking about that 432 was actually what everybody played before the Rockefeller changed it to all the marching bands of the horns were all made with the 440. And it was unnerving, and it was very good to get people nervous and upset about going to war or something.

Monika Schaefer: Well, is that something? So that sounds like a good book. Grace Eki, are you familiar with that book?

Grace: No, I don’t know that book. So thank you.

Monika Schaefer: Who was the author, please?

Kathleen: I don’t know that. I don’t remember the author’s name, but it was called, The 440 Conspiracy.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, I’m gonna write that down and I’m gonna look that up. That’s great!

Kathleen: It was about ten years ago, so.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, thank you. Do you have any additional comments?

Kathleen: No, I love your show. I mean, I heard you for a long time before you had the show. And you just been great. So I’ve enjoyed every one. And thank you so much!

Monika Schaefer: Thank you so much, Kathleen, for your call.

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Kathleen: Yes. Oh, I loved it when you said that you’re an ice skater in the wild. [chuckling]

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. [chuckling]

Kathleen: Wild skating. Oh, that’s so great.

And then all of your music, it’s wonderful! And, Grace, I really appreciated everything that you said, too.

Grace: Okay. So thank you so much!

Monika Schaefer: Well, thank you for your call. Okay. So, Mr producer, could we please have Nightingale on line three? Are you there?

Nightingale: Yes. Monika, can you hear me?

Monika Schaefer: Yes, we can. Thank you. Would you like to add a comment or question?

Nightingale: Thank you so much! I’m overjoyed to meet you. I want to say it’s an honor to meet such a brave, talented, honorable lady. Thank you so much! Just a fact that you play the music for your bumper music. I said, wow, RBM is getting classy. Fun! [chuckling] It was so beautiful! What a change. Usually I shut the bumpers off. Some of the host I listen to, I run to the phone and say:

“I don’t want to hear that!”

And I wait till the ads and the music are gone. [chuckling]

But with you, …

Monika Schaefer: That’s sweet of you. Thank you. Did you have any questions or comments for your guest, Grace Eki?

Nightingale: Yes, yes, I’m getting there. This has been fascinating! I just turned it on. Sometimes I listen live, sometimes it doesn’t work for me. I’m always on the cell phone, but sometimes it does a bit, and I turn it on just when your wonderful guest, her name is Grace. She’s been very, very personal to me. What I heard, very fascinating! She talked about a beautiful., … It was a beautiful anecdote. She thinks it’s from Mozart. That “music is painted on the canvas of silence”.

And I wanted to add that that is so beautiful, because it’s not just music, but it’s, I think, pretty much everything. Mystic experiences, the feeling of sacred is also. Everybody talks about it. All the mystics are on the, come out of silence. Even our myths of creation come out of silence. Things were “created by the word”, Elvero Incarnado, which is Spanish. What is it, the word incarnate? I don’t know if that’s that. But yeah, but it’s sound. Started creating the manifest world, I guess.

So this is very, very beautiful. And I heard many beautiful things. I heard the comment about spirituality, Rudolf Steiner ideas, spirituality developed later on.

But I have to say that I have to disagree with that a bit because I had, personally, some very mystical experiences. A very, very young child. And they did start going away. I totally agree with the over sexualization, because I think that’s when they started going away for me. Sex was just very much in my face with the world I lived in, my parents, and a lot of violence and jealousy! [chuckling] And it was always sad for me as a very young child.

But then when I hit puberty, I was very, very curious, and I did naughty things. You know, I wanted to see what this wonderful thing was. Right? And I learned that it wasn’t what it was touted to be. If love is not involved, if the falling in love, like you mentioned, but it can be a lot of fun. But it’s not falling in love. That’s a totally different thing.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Nightingale: This has been very personal, what you were speaking of, because, yes, I had a, as a very young person before I was into sex, you might say, I had even incredible out of body experience, which I will always cherish. I hope that just before I die, I get there again, because it was like total unity.

I don’t know if you guys ever felt that, but the only experience I’ve ever had that I reserved the word “bliss” for. And it was just, it was just fascinating because I was totally not there. But you’re in everything when you exist, I guess, what people call a cosmic consciousness. And it was this overwhelming, powerful light that was so incredibly beautiful.

But then I was, it was going to annihilate me, which is a very mystery because I was not there, and yet I felt totally annihilation. And somewhere, I guess I was very young, somewhere in the body, I guess I wasn’t ready to go. And I was at the moment, so I realized that fear the root of all our issues, because it was fear that brought me back into the body. And then I felt so horrible to be back in the cave, and I just hated myself for being a coward! But someday maybe it’ll come back and I’ll be ready too.

Monika Schaefer: That’s an incredibly profound experience. Thank you for sharing that, Grace Aki, do you have any comments about it?

Nightingale: Well, it has a lot. Yes. It relates to everything you’re speaking of and I think I was lucky enough, even though I did have a very turmoil, not very happy household growing up. And yet my father did play classical music, and so I was imprinted with that. And it was the old vinyls, I must say! [chuckling]

And I think that is what, …

Monika Schaefer: Sorry, go ahead. Grace, did you want to comment on that.

Grace: Yes. That I wanted to say. I agree with her. You know, silence is the base of everything. And she was saying the Bible, I think. No, sorry the Testament in the beginning was the word, and word was “God”, but the word is “vibration with intent”. And I do kind of agree and with silence will show how important this intent and so-called vibration is, even more in the future.

And as speaking, I just wanted to make a comment as far as the frequency is concerned. You know those famous water crystals?

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Monika Schaefer: Yes.

Grace: Photographed. Well, if it’s the ones I have seen anyway, at A 432, it actually makes a flower. At A 4040, it makes the outline. It’s different.

Monika Schaefer: Yes. And it scrambles it, doesn’t it? That’s what I’ve seen and heard.

Grace: Oh, it’s not as beautiful as 432. 432 definitely looks like a flower.

Monika Schaefer: Isn’t that something?

Grace: Yeah. Interesting!

Monika Schaefer: So, Nightingale, did you want to make a quick final comment? And then we’ll let you go, and I really appreciate that you called in and shared a your story with us. Yes, Nightingale.

Grace: Oh, perhaps she’s already gone.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, so let’s have John in New Hampshire, please. Are you there? Okay, yeah, that’s great! You see, this is such an interesting subject. I find it just fascinating! And the vibrations, the music, and then, of course, this. Go ahead.

John: Hello? Am I on?

Monika Schaefer: You are on. Is this John?

John: Right, right. Okay. Thanks a lot, ladies. That Grace perked me up because when she mentioned Verdi, I was born in the same province as Giuseppe Verdi, Parma. I was very, very happy to hear that. And I’m wondering maybe, hopefully, maybe I can get in touch with her. And I got some interesting stuff.

So maybe somehow we can get connected through you, Monika, or through the board. I don’t mean to be rude, but I also would like to see if I could get in touch with Kathleen from Texas. I’ve been trying to get in touch with her, too. So maybe through the board op or something. But if you could call back in, or I could leave my number or something like that.

But anyway, yeah, this is a very fascinating conversation. And that, Grace, you’re a pretty amazing, remarkable woman!

And, I mean, I love my Italian heritage and I love, … I was born in Parma, but I was only 14 months when I came to this country. But most of my relatives still live in Italy. So maybe we can get in touch or something like that. But anyway. Okay, see what you can do.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, I’ll just tell you how you can get in touch with me. My email address is posted on RBN. If you go to the host the page where they have my brief bio and that kind of thing. There is a, an email address posted there. Okay. So you could get in touch with me and then I could send your, I’ll get you connected with Grace.

John: Okay, I appreciate that. Do you think that would be a good way to get in touch with Kathleen from Texas?

Monika Schaefer: I have no idea. You’ll have to perhaps take that up with the producer. [chuckling]

John: Okay, great!

Monika Schaefer: So, yeah, and if you have a brief comment, final comment, because we have a couple of more callers on the line.

John: No, no, no, I’ll go, I’ll defer to them.

Monika Schaefer: So if that was John, thank you so much for your call. We have John from California.

Another John, are you there?

John: Yeah. So 528. I don’t know what, you know, about it. Good frequency or bad frequency?

Monika Schaefer: I don’t know. That’s a good question. Grace Eki, do you know, this 528?

Grace: I think it’s like you. Continue. I think it’s just a, C higher.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I don’t know. I think I’ve heard things about it that are actually kind of terrifying about it, but I don’t know. I’m not sure. [chuckling] What do you know, about it, John?

John: Yes, well, I don’t know a lot about it. I know that it’s titled. There’s a guest, I won’t use names that comes on this RBN that claims it to be a love frequency. But I’ve heard from others that it’s a not so much.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. This is something we’re gonna have to do some more research on. Maybe the next caller will know. [chuckling]

Grace: But let me add that everything has a plus and a minus, the yin and the yang. So something that’s positive in one sense is possible, that it’s very, quite negative in another sense. But I’ve heard of this number. I think it was just, 2056 that you keep on going higher up. But I could be wrong.

Monika Schaefer: Okay. John, did you have anything like to add?

John: Well, yeah, I don’t know a lot about it. Supposedly it’s called Esophageal [sp]. I don’t know if I pronounced it correctly, which was something that was kind of in Rome, they had this thing kind of under wraps for a long time. And supposedly someone got a hold of this following. It’s supposed to come from the Bible and, …

Anyway, I just wondered what you knew about it. But thank you very much. Great show.

Monika Schaefer: Okay. Thank you for your call. Let’s take Chris from Alabama. And we really literally have just, 20 seconds left or so. chris, are you there?

Chris: Yeah. Hi, Monika. Sometimes when I have more time. I’m Chris from Alabama. I moved here from California along. I live in California. Born there in 57, married a Canadian woman in 88, and she’s lived in the United States for all this time. We’ve been to Canada many times. British Columbia.

Monika Schaefer: Did you have something for our guests?

Chris: That book is called The 440 Enigma, and it’s basically trying to blame the 440 frequency on a collaboration between the Rockefellers and the Nazis. And it has a swastika on the cover of it. And like everything else, they want to blame everything on the Nazis! I’m just adding that right now.

Monika Schaefer: Ha! Thanks for that. It does sound like we know that they’re lying to us about who are the “Nazis”, quote, unquote, and what they did and all that stuff. So that’s a little bit suspect, isn’t it? And the producer did write in the notes. Maybe it’s The 440 Enigma by LC Vincent.

Grace. Do you have a final comment? Just while the music is taking us out?

Chris: It’s a pleasure listening to you.

Grace: Yes. I wanted to say that, remember that your voice is the free gift of so-called God and nature, an instrument you already have inside and so is your body. And I think it’s in our DNA to love, to dance and sing, and it should help one when one that’s not really so happy. Thank you.

Monika Schaefer: Beautiful! Thank you for being my guest, and thank you to all the callers. Thank you very much.

Monika Schaefer: And thank you to the producer, too. Awesome job!

Grace: Thank you.

Monika Schaefer: Keeping everybody straight. Okay, bye bye.

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[John Friend talks with Monika Schaefer on a proposed law by ZOG Canada that would make “Holocaust” denial a criminal offence. Making it a crime to expose a diabolical lie.

The only reason such a law is being pushed, nearly 80 years after WWII is that Orgjew fears their hoax of the 20th century – the “Holocaust” of six million jews being mass murdered – will be exposed to more and more thinking people, which in turn will cause exposure to their actual White genocide agenda now in progress.

Orgjew’s strategy is to make any form of White resistance to Orgjew’s genocide agenda of Whites as being genocidal to jews, using the “Holocaust” hoax as “proof”. As in the Polish saying, “The jew cries out in pain as he strikes you!”

— KATANA]

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Canadian “Holocaust Denial” Bills

May 31, 2022

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The Realist Report – Monika Schaefer: Canadian “Holocaust Denial” Bills

May 31, 2022 Realist Report

On this edition of The Realist Report, we’re joined once again by Monika Schaefer, a German-Canadian activist and revisionist. Monika is back to discuss some recent news items, including a controversial bill introduced in Canada that would criminalize “Holocaust” denial, and to give some updates on her brother Alfred. Alfred is currently imprisoned in Germany due to his publicly expressed views

on the alleged Jewish “Holocaust” and other aspects of WWII history. We also discuss the Kehillah, a very hierarchical Jewish secret society that Ben Klassen wrote about in his book Nature’s Eternal Religion.

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John Friend: All right folks. Welcome back to another edition of The Realist Report. This is your host John Friend. Today is Tuesday, May 31st, 20022.

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All right, with that said, let me introduce our special guest. Monika Shaefer is joining us once again. Monika is a German-Canadian activist and revisionist and her website is freespeechmonika.com. All right. Monika Schaefer. Welcome back to the program. How are you today? It’s great to have you.

Monika Schaefer: I’m doing very well thanks John! I’m just so looking forward to this interview and talking with you again. Yeah thanks.

John Friend: Yeah, you’ve been a guest a number of times on the program. And you’re one of my favorite people to talk to. And, of course, there’s no shortage of topics to cover. And I want to kind of jump right into it. Your website is freespeechmonika.com and I will, of course, have a link to your website when I post this podcast program. I’ve also got your website linked on the right-hand sidebar of my website under the recommended sites. So people can find it that way as well, or just go to freespeechmonika.com.

And I know you’re also involved in the Truth and Justice for Germans Society which is truthandjusticeforGermans.com. And I recently read an article that just came out just a couple days ago. And it was a sort of like a Q&A written conversation that you had with NS-Kampf ruf. Am I pronouncing that correctly?

Monika Schaefer: Yes it was also in the New Order this is NS, National Socialism. But it’s a fellow in the United States, who has also been persecuted and jailed for his views on, you know, National Socialist Germany. And he did this interview with me back in during the winter. This came out in the January and the February issue. And I had it on my own website. But I just recently put it on to the Truth and Justice for Germans website as well.

John Friend: Okay. Very good. Yeah, it’s great. Yeah. I know it’s great. It kind of gives your background and your sort of wake up to Revisionism. And I want to remind everybody we actually did a what it turned out to be a really good Q&A as well. Sort of similar to this. We covered a few different topics but we actually published it in the Barnes Review, as sort of like a written Q&A interview with Monika Schaefer, persecuted Canadian thinker. And we talked about your situation in Germany, and your views on the “Holocaust”.

And kind of got into some of the information relating to Alfred, your brother, which we’ll talk about as we wrap up this podcast.

But I just wanted to remind everybody that was in the November, December 2020 issue of the Barnes Review. And, of course, I would highly recommend everybody to go out and subscribe to the Barnes Review. It’s really the last like Revisionist print publication. One of the top ones in America. I know this other one that you mentioned, the New Order. Do they actually print physical, …

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

John Friend: Okay. So there is, …

Monika Schaefer: And they get translated into many languages as well, online. Now their website got taken down recently, but the fellow who is doing this he is working hard at getting a few like a series of websites back up. It’s incredible actually. It’s Gerhard Lauck. And you may have heard that name, or perhaps, yes?

John Friend: Yeah, I know that sounds familiar.

Monika Schaefer: He’s an incredibly hard worker. And he’s been out this for decades really. I mean, he was born into activism, I think! [chuckling]

John Friend: Very good. Well, that’s cool. I’m glad to hear that. There’s not enough printed material anymore. It’s always a challenge to do that. There’s costs involved with it. But I think it is important. I mean, as you said, we can get censored so easily online.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, and his publication it’s like four pages each time. And it’s just pages that are stapled together. So it’s not like the Barnes Review magazine, which I will do a shout out, to add to what you just said, to highly recommend that people subscribe to. It really is excellent that publication. And I was just so honored that you did that interview with me! Thanks, John! [chuckling]

John Friend: Yeah, of course, no problem. Yeah, I think it turned out really good. Very sort of unique and the Barnes Review is always covering a lot of very unique aspects of history. So again everybody check it out. It’s Barnes Review.org, or you could go to Barnes Review dot com it basically takes you to the same place. And you can check out some of the articles, some of the interviews. And, of course, subscribe to the print publication.

There’s also a huge list of books for sale including pretty much all of the major “Holocaust” revisionist books. So check it out!

Anyways, Monika I want to talk first about this recently introduced. Well, I guess it was back in February, there was a government budget that was introduced in Canada. Basically criminalizing “Holocaust” denial.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I don’t want to interrupt you.

John Friend: But, oh no, just real briefly. Just some quick background. It was a basically from my understanding – you can correct me if I’m wrong – it was a new Criminal Code offense for denying the “Holocaust”. And this was inserted into a recently proposed Budget Bill.

And then there was also from what I understand a near identical piece of legislation that was proposed in the House of Commons by a Conservative MP named Kevin Waugh, W-A-U-G-H. I’m not sure if I’m pronouncing that correctly.

Monika Schaefer: I think you are.

John Friend: It was basically introduced as an actual piece of legislation. And then also it was introduced as part of the Criminal Code in the Budget Bill. And it, from what I understand, both of the legislation and the actual budget are still in the process of being ratified. So it hasn’t officially been adopted from what I understand.

But anyways, why don’t you comment on that. What do you know, about the situation? Carolyn Yeager wrote a really good article on May first, that I’ll have linked when I post this podcast, kind of outlining everything and discussing it. And, of course, talking about the jewish organizations that were central in promoting this legislation. So go ahead.

Monika Schaefer: I’m going to read that article. I haven’t read that article yet. But here’s what I know. It seems to be that the Criminal Code amendment, … See the Criminal Code of Canada already has this Hate Speech law in it, Section 319 of the Criminal Code of Canada. And they want to add this other part, to that specifically makes “Holocaust” denial a criminal offense.

Here’s the thing John, why did they embed this in the Budget Bill? Now, what does legislating how history went down. First of all that shouldn’t be legislated in the at all! I mean, isn’t it a ridiculous thing to legislate our history? Isn’t that something that historians should be dealing with, not the law?

But even if it was something that was appropriate for the lawmakers, what are they doing putting it into the Budget Bill? It kind of reminds me of I used to hear a lot about your Omnibus Bills in the States, where they would put, you know, maybe 300 different things within an Omnibus Bill, so that half the people, the representatives that are voting yay, or nay, they don’t even know what’s in it! They just go along with what they’re supposed to do. Like the party Whip tells them how to vote.

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So a Budget Bill, that’s an annual thing that happens every year. And the NDP in Canada that’s the New Democratic Party. There are, I’ve already said, they’re supporting the Liberal Party which has a minority. So they basically are constituting the government. And it’s already must have gone through the third reading, because it’s in front of the Senate right now.

I read an article, just a few days ago, what the B’nai Brith Canada, they are making recommendations of course, you know. That’s how it works. These jewish organizations, and B’nai Brith is 100% jewish organization, they make recommendations to the Senate on this new “Holocaust” Denial Bill.

So some of the things they’re saying is, well they want this word “distortion” in it, rather than “downplaying”. So anybody who distorts the so-called facts about the so-called “Holocaust”, that instead of this word, “downplaying”. I’m not sure what their reasoning on that is. But here’s the big one that we need to take note of they specifically say that they want to remove the ability for anyone to use “defense of truth” against the charges.

So if you’ve been charged with this “Holocaust” denial Criminal Code offense, then you cannot say in my defense “I have truth” in my defense. You cannot use that since, quote:

“The facts around the ‘Holocaust‘ are well established, and well documented.”

This is what they’re saying. I mean, isn’t that the mantra? Yeah go ahead.

John Friend: Well isn’t that a common tactic in some of these “Holocaust” trials where the judge will take, I believe they refer to it as “judicial notice”?

Monika Schaefer: Exactly!

John Friend: Where they basically affirm the standard “Holocaust” narrative. And they basically say it’s common knowledge. And it’s not really up for dispute, or questioning, therefore you can’t even present your perspective. Yeah, it’s really, talk about like Orwellian, tyrannical like in your face!

Monika Schaefer: They brought up Ernest Zundel’s case, B’nai Brith did in their recommendations to the Senate. So they were saying, because Ernst Zundel, the retrial in his case, the court there took judicial notice that the “Holocaust” existed, and allowing a defense of truth would be a step backwards. This is what they say. This would be a step backwards.

Yeah, they want this, because otherwise this “defense of truth” can be used to repeatedly litigate whether the “Holocaust” happened. You see, they really don’t like it when the “Holocaust” goes on trial, because they don’t have any facts on their side.

John Friend: And they get exposed big time. Yeah, they don’t want any sort of discussion, or honest debate, or questioning, or just open dialogue on this subject.

Monika Schaefer: And the history of this judicial notice goes right back to the Nuremberg Trials in which Articles 19 and, 201, so people can look this up. We don’t just make this stuff up.

Those two articles in the Nuremberg Trials basically – just to paraphrase it because I don’t have them in front of me. But they said that evidence is not required, because it is something that is common knowledge. And something that is common knowledge does not require evidence. So if it is self-evident, it does not require evidence.

So they basically just declared the “Holocaust” happened. And there was not going to be any room for defense, or facts about what actually happened, or didn’t. Well, in particular, any facts that were telling the truth about what didn’t happen.

You see here they allege something happened. And then they put the onus on the people who are saying it didn’t happen, to prove it didn’t happen, which I really think that the onus is on the wrong people here. Like in all the cases since then, where they took judicial notice thereof.

And the Ernst Zundel trials in the 1980s, in Toronto, that was a big exception, where evidence and facts actually did make it into the court. And it was historical! It was absolutely phenomenal! And if I had taken the time and the care at that time – I was in my 20s – to read the fine print of the newspaper articles that reported on this, I would have learned a lot. Because the newspaper articles if you read the fine print, they actually did report a lot of what was said.

However, the headlines were still even portraying Ernst Zundel as kind of a madman, a bad man, maybe a crazy man. All those things, right. And also the radio. I mean, day after day. I remember my father liked to listen to the CBC radio news. And so it was kind of background noise. Actually, it wasn’t. I was out gone from the home. But I guess I listened to this stuff. It was background noise for me. I didn’t really pay too much attention to it. But all I knew was:

“Sounds like this guy is kind of a nut case!”

That’s how they portrayed him. However, if you had read the fine print [chuckling], you would have learned a lot! [chuckling].

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John Friend: Yeah. And realize:

“Oh, this guy actually makes a lot of sense!”

And is presenting a very legitimate and rational perspective. And he’s not at all this evil monster, or this irrational, jew hater, or something like that. I mean, he was a very knowledgeable, bright, funny, compassionate, very affable man. I mean, that’s how Ernst Zundel was. And that’s the way he came across if you just sat down and listened to him.

Monika Schaefer: All of the above is true! It’s so true! I mean, I’ve listened to quite a few of his interviews, and I’m telling you cannot help but like the man. And he is highly intelligent. And yeah, I mean, he’s a pacifist. He’s a self-proclaimed pacifist.

He came to Canada, I think he was 19, or 20 years old. He was a war baby he was born in 1939. So his childhood was kind of shaped by war-torn Germany. And then he wanted to go to a country where there was no draft, because of his pacifism, and this kind of thing.

And then it was sometime after he arrived in Canada that he started to learn about the truth about Germany. And he wanted to restore the honor of Germany and Germans. Like he wanted to restore the honor, because really Germany and Germans have been vilified and demonized, not just during and after World War II, but decades before that. And ever since! Don’t you think John? I think that the vilification of the Germans hasn’t really abated.

John Friend: No, you’re absolutely right! And I think it’s actually only expanded to incorporate the entire Western world.

Monika Schaefer: Actually, yeah, you’re right. It’s expanded to incorporate all White people!

John Friend: All White people, exactly.

Monika Schaefer: All White people.

John Friend: Well Ernest Zundel’s struggles to restore Germany’s honor are definitely carried on by people like you, and the Truth and Justice for Germans website, that society. I think that’s some very, very, very important work.

And really anybody talking openly and honestly about World War II, about the alleged jewish “Holocaust”, and engaging in historical revisionism sort of carries on this legacy, and I think it’s one of the most important endeavors. Certainly from a scholarly, or historical perspective.

Because this is one of the most weaponized narratives of history, that is constantly rammed down our throat! It almost seems like every month there’s some sort of like “Holocaust” Remembrance Day, whether it’s in America, or Israel, or any country around the world. There’s these “Holocaust” Museums everywhere! All across the world!

Monika Schaefer: They’re certainly ramping it up, aren’t they?

John Friend: Yeah, it’s insane! One thing I was curious, do you think that this is gonna backfire? I mean, won’t it sort of wake more people up to the concept of “Holocaust” revisionism, and get people to start to question, why can’t we openly discuss this one event in history? What is so special about this?

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. I think you’re right. Although they just carry on, they carry on. However, I think what has woken people up, or caused people to maybe look twice at all of these things, more than anything else, is this last couple of years of this Covid scam! And all the things they’ve been doing to us with that!

I know a lot of people have gone along with it. But they do skew the numbers on that, too. I mean, I know we see masked people. And so a lot of people have fallen for it. And they’re very, very afraid of that very, very bad, bad, bad, virus! [chuckling] And now it’s going to be the Monkeypox!

But so many people have actually woken up. That is a really good thing. And so then it’s really important, it’s up to us to connect the dots for people that when we do talk about World War II history, the “Holocaust”, all these new laws and, …

John Friend: Okay Monika. I’m sorry about that. I’m not sure what happened.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, it just suddenly lost.

John Friend: Yeah. But look we could just pick up right where we left off. You were saying something about how these new laws were gonna start sort of waking people up, I believe is where you’re going.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, basically connecting the dots with what they’re doing right now with the Covid scam, what they’ve been doing in the last two two and a half years, with all of that. So many people know there’s something not quite right with that. And so this is the time when we really need to connect all these dots for people. That these things are not separate from each other. They’re not in little boxes, and categories, separate from each other. I think that is really important right now.

John Friend: Yeah. I know. I tend to agree with you. And that’s also what some Civil Liberties groups in Canada are saying. I’m looking at an article here from the National Post, which I believe is one of the top newspapers in Canada, correct?

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

John Friend: Like one of the more mainstream.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, it’s definitely mainstream.

John Friend: This is an article from May 19th. So just a couple weeks ago. And the title is “Government Bill on “Holocaust” Denial Ineffective and Likely Unconstitutional”. Civil Liberties group. So the Civil Liberties group is basically saying that this is not even going to work. And it’s probably illegal! Let me just read a couple excerpts here from this article:

“Civil Liberties groups say a proposed law that would make “Holocaust” denial a criminal offense is likely unconstitutional and unlikely to be effective in dealing with anti-semitism. The Liberals have included a proposed change to the criminal law in their budget that would make, quote ‘condoning, denying, or downplaying, the “Holocaust” a criminal offense’. Cara Zwibble, director of the Fundamental Freedoms Program at the Civil Liberties Association said the Bill is more about politics, than actually addressing anti-semitism. Quote ‘we are opposed to this. But that’s not, because we don’t think “Holocaust” denial is egregious, and terrible. And it’s not, because we don’t think it’s harmful. It’s because we don’t think that the criminal law is the way to approach it.’ she said ‘We’re talking about putting people in prison for things that they said.’”

Yeah, it’s so crazy! Like we have to say that out loud. Like that’s literally what they’re saying. Like, we’re gonna throw you in jail for something that you said!

Monika Schaefer: That’s right. I did see that article. And I think that that Civil Liberties group is a controlled opposition group. Well, you can see that just from what they say that:

“Oh. It’s not that we don’t think that “Holocaust” denial is egregious.”

And basically terrible and evil. But that we should just have freedom of speech. So yeah. What do you think? I think it’s controlled opposition. However it’s hopeful that they said this law wouldn’t even work. But I don’t know what to make of that. It could be just, … They kind of create the frame for what we’re allowed to talk about:

“But oh, “Holocaust” denial is still really bad!”

And so pretending that we have true opposition to it. I don’t know. What do you think about that?

John Friend: It’s interesting. I think you’re probably right. It probably is some sort of limited hangout, controlled opposition type group. Just like the ACLU [American Civil Liberties Union] is in America.

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

John Friend: And if they were genuine defenders of Civil Liberties and free speech, they would be suing the government to prevent this Bill from even being passed, because it’s a total violation of freedom of speech. Which I believe is actually enshrined in the Canadian Charter, right?

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. I mean, …

John Friend: Maybe not to the extent it is in the First Amendment.

Monika Schaefer: It’s not like what you have in the States. And actually, I can’t really address that right now. I’m not fresh! I’m not sure exactly what’s in there. But it’s not like what you guys have. Like we always look to the Americans for any remnants of hope for maintaining that freedom of speech, even! You guys don’t really have it either, because they find other ways to go after you, right?

John Friend: Oh, absolutely! Well, one of the big concerns that this lady has with the Civil Liberties group is that she actually cites in this article the case of Zundel, that we talked about previously. And she basically wants to prevent a trial like that from taking place, which would give somebody like Zundel, or somebody like you, or I, a platform to make the arguments against the official “Holocaust” narrative. And so that’s one of her big concerns.

She also talks about how there’s already basically laws on the books that criminalize promoting hatred, which is tied into questioning the “Holocaust”.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, that’s Section 319. And I mean, people like Arthur Topham. He was chased, and criminalized, and dragged through the courts for more than a dozen years. And they used that Section 319, this Hate Speech law. So really that would be my answer to what we just talked about a moment ago about do we have free speech in Canada. No! They say:

“We do. Oh! But hate speech is different!”

Right. So all these countries and, you know, where lawmakers, where they say:

“Oh yeah! We have freedom of speech. But this is different. Like hate speech is different!”

In Germany, when I was in jail. And I would tell fellow prisoners what I was there for and I said:

“Yeah, just for words spoken.”

And they say:

“Oh, no. That’s not possible. We have total freedom of speech in Germany! It’s in the gungazettes [sp]!”

Which is the foundational law. And then I would tell them but it was about the “Holocaust”. And they’d say:

“Oh yeah! That’s different!”

John Friend: Yeah, that’s different! Yeah. You can’t question, the “Holocaust”! You can’t criticize, or say mean things about jews. I mean, if we really do have free speech, then we should be able to question, the “Holocaust”. We should be able to question any aspect of history, no matter what it is. No matter whose feelings it hurts. No matter who gets upset by it. We should be able to openly discuss, and talk about, and criticize specific groups of people, whether they’re jews, or blacks, or Whites, or whatever.

I mean, certainly we can openly criticize and condemn White people!

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Monika Schaefer: Oh. That’s the only people you can openly criticize and condemn these days. That’s the only group of people you can do that to! And like that’s just fine, White people.

But here in Canada right now it’s getting to the point where you can’t even point out anything about what the native people are doing, factual, or otherwise. It doesn’t matter. That’s like your “Black Lives Matter”. We’ve got the equivalent going on with the native people here. And we had those supposed mass graves found. Not a single bone has been found, or dug out.

John Friend: It’s basically another atrocity propaganda hoax.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, it is.

John Friend: Yeah, it is. It absolutely is. I’ve followed it. In fact, I wrote an article for American Free Press. It’s probably been about a year ago. But I remember Lauren Southern did the documentary about it. That was really well done.

Monika Schaefer: So yeah, people don’t want to talk about it. Because they know that it’s to their advantage to kind of just conceal the fact. Like they didn’t want to talk to Lauren Southern when she tried. And no, no! They don’t want to do that, because she would expose that, gee there might be some problems with these graves that they supposedly “discovered”. And so the native people it’s in their interest to keep it hush-hush. They’re going along with the mainstream agenda that is basically to elevate them into some higher status.

And it’s to get Whitey off the land here. I mean, the bills that they have passed, Bill C-15, it’s one that basically is out to dispossess us of our lands. I was recently visiting a friend in Powell River, BC, and the natives there are trying hard, or it’s a handful of people are trying hard, to change the name of that city. And I mean, it just goes on and on. It’s basically dispossess Whitey.

John Friend: It’s White genocide.

Monika Schaefer: It is.

John Friend: I mean, it’s part of the broader, global, White genocide agenda.

Monika Schaefer: It is.

John Friend: Taking place in every formerly Western country, including Canada, including the United States. Including basically every country in Europe. It’s obvious. It’s on display on a daily basis. And yet it’s never presented in these terms. It’s never pointed out this way.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, and why is it that it’s happening all over the world in White countries, all at the same time? And the same things get reported in the press, like almost word for word for word. Some people sometimes put together these little sound bite collages, where reporters in Australia, reporters in New Zealand, Canada, United States, and UK, everywhere they’re saying virtually using the same words when there’s some new idea, or new event, or new something.

John Friend: It’s like they all have the same talking points as if they’re somehow like internationally coordinated through some sort of like jewish secret society.

Monika Schaefer: Oh yeah!

John Friend: Right. And, of course, we’re referring to the Kahilla, which is a word. And it’s something I was sort of familiar with that I come across in doing research over the years. But you actually sent me an interesting article that we’ll talk about here in just a moment. There’s just a couple things I want to mention more in this article from the National Post. And then we can move on and discuss that topic.

Let me just pick back up here. There’s just a couple of last excerpts that I wanted to read here and get your take on. The article continues. It says:

“The new Criminal Code offense was included in the Budget Bill, but a near identical piece of legislation was also moving through the House of Commons, as a private member’s Bill, which was introduced by Conservative MP Kevin Waugh.”

Again, I’m not sure if I’m pronouncing that correctly. And I sort of alluded to that previously. It says here:

“The Budget Bill is currently working through the House of Commons. It also includes funding for education programs around racism and anti-semitism, as well as 20 million dollars toward a “Holocaust” Museum in Montreal.”

And then it quotes the Simon Wiesenthal Center President and CEO, Michael Levitt. And he’s basically advocating in favor of this new Criminal Code, saying that:

“Anti-semitism is on the rise. “Holocaust” denial is on the rise.”

Which, I don’t know. Is that true? I mean, you live in Canada. Are there people out there like denying the “Holocaust” and condemning jews left and right? Is that going on? It’s like the jewish community, you read the jewish press, you read like the ADL, you follow groups like the ADL. And every single day there’s a report about how anti-semitism is rising in Canada, in Germany, and Brazil, in Argentina, in Australia! Everywhere around the world! It’s like this constantly reinforced meme and persecution!

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Monika Schaefer: Yeah! Who does that? Who is it that sets up events that make it look like oh anti-semitism is on the rise? And which high-ranking rabbi was it, maybe you remember, who said that anti-semitism is their best friend! They create these things, like when there’s gravestones that have been painted with swastikas, or whatever.

It’s always jews who do that, because they need to have this idea, this meme out there, that anti-semitism is on the rise! It’s not like there’s people out in the streets standing on their pulpits saying.:

“Yeah. The “Holocaust” didn’t happen!”

I mean, yeah. I think a lot of people are waking up to the truth about that the jews lie about history. And they’ve been lying about events. And that they’re behind the Covid thing. And I mean, a lot of people are waking up to what the jews are actually doing. But when they call this:

“Anti-semitism is on the rise!”

You know, maybe they’re really scared and worried, because people are starting to wake up to their game. And what they’re really doing.

John Friend: Right. It’s like those memes of like the rabbi on the telephone:

“The goyim know! Shut it down!”

[chuckling] And that’s what it is. It’s the organized jewish community, they simply cannot have anybody knowing and looking into what they’re up to! They can openly do these things, and talk about how they want to fight anti-semitism, and lobby the government for more money for “Holocaust” Museums, for Israel, for jewish organizations.
I mean they run like one big extortion racket. It’s like one big international criminal conspiracy that they openly, … You follow them and read what they have to say, or hear what they have to say, in their press conferences and stuff, and this is how they operate. Yet, if you notice it, and if you’re opposed to it, or criticize it, then you’re some irrational hater! It’s totally ridiculous!

Monika Schaefer: You just have to point it out, right, John. You just have to point out what they’re doing in real time. We don’t even have to talk about history, we could talk about what they’re doing in real time, reporting things from their own press. But they see that you are noticing. And then they call you “anti-semitic”. They call you the “hater”.

John Friend: And all of their puppet politicians line up and say the same thing and back this stuff up. And pledge their unwavering support for Israel and the jewish community, and how they have to continue to fight anti-semitism and bigotry, and all this other nonsense! They’re all totally controlled, at least almost every single one of them.

Monika Schaefer: And back to that Civil Liberties organization and that article that you were quoting from. That’s why it bothers me when groups like that, just the fact that they’re such controlled opposition. The fact that they had to put that in there:

“Oh, it’s not that we don’t think that ‘Holocaust’ denial is egregious.”

Because really what they’re doing is they are propping up and supporting – by making that statement – they’re supporting this money being spent on these “Holocaust” Museums. Like this huge budget amount that goes towards the “Holocaust” denial prevention, or whatever they want to call it.

John Friend:20 million for a museum in Montreal! Why does Montreal need a “Holocaust” Museum? And if they do, why can’t the jews themselves organize money to fund it?

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Monika Schaefer: Yeah. And then there’s that Kotler, Irvin Kotler, I think is his name. He’s the minister in charge of whatever it’s called. I don’t know what the ministry is called. But somehow this anti-semitism ministry, or whatever!

John Friend: He’s like the anti-semite, or anti-semitism envoy. Like the US government has a position it’s a ambassador level position in the State Department. The Envoy to Combat Anti-semitism. And it’s that hideous jewish witch, Deborah Lipstadt!

Monika Schaefer: Oh, my!

John Friend: Yeah, she was recently nominated and was actually just sworn in recently. I put up an article, it’s actually on American Free Press’s website and on my website right now. It addresses it and talks about her position. And I think we’ve actually talked about it previously.

It’s a position that was basically created by the federal by the US federal government to basically advance jewish interests around the world. And there’s positions like this in almost every Western country. You could look at Canada, you could look at the UK, you could look at all these European countries. And almost all of them have some sort of like anti-semitism envoy.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

John Friend: That’s there to sort of prevent the goyim from knowing, right.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. Why don’t they have a minister for preventing the hate that’s being told and spread about White people? Why don’t they have a minister that’s in charge of teaching people about our own history, and about our own heritage, and about our own culture, and all that stuff? No! Like they don’t teach that!

And in high school curriculum in Canada, my friend showed the high school curriculum to me, the Social Studies curriculum. And I just was astonished! I thought:

“Wow! If all the White children don’t commit suicide before the end of the school year, I’d be astonished!”

Like it was nothing but guilt! Guilt! Guilt! Guilt! Not one stitch in there about anything about their own European heritage! Where they came from, their culture, their traditions. Nothing! It was all guilt!

John Friend: It’s psychological warfare.

Monika Schaefer: It is!

John Friend: That’s what it is. It’s weaponized narratives designed to target us at a very deep emotional and psychological level. The way Western history is presented all over the Western world, it’s presented as if White people are the oppressors, like the evil people that have been responsible for all of the world’s problems.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah!

John Friend: When in reality, like an objective assessment of Western history, would be 100% the opposite. And this is what was so astonishing reading Mein Kampf, and hearing Hitler present it this way.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. Who goes to Africa to build schools, or to volunteer to dig wells and whatnot? It’s always White people who do these kind of things!

John Friend: Yeah. Who’s cleaning up the parks on the weekends? Who’s cleaning up the harbor? Who’s cleaning up the streams and the rivers and the lakes? Who’s taking care of the environment? Who’s taking care of the homeless?

Monika Schaefer: Yeah! Who takes care of the beached whales! Like who does all that?

John Friend: Who takes who takes care of these refugees, in their little dinghies washing up on shore in Italy, or Greece, or California? I just saw a video the other day of a bunch of Mexicans – I’m assuming they were Mexicans – well, you know, Central Americans, Mexicans, washing up and just scattering as soon as they got on the beach. Just running for the hills basically!

Who’s taking care of the unwashed masses of the world? Well it’s White people! It’s White money. It’s White societies. And, of course, it’s all part of this broader jewish plan. But yeah.

Monika Schaefer: It’s this guilt thing John. There’s just one thing that just popped into my head. When I was in Powell River and I attended a meeting where the public could talk about this name change, pro and contra. And there were these young White women, you know, blonde, blue eyed, young women. Those were the ones who were the most fanatical about that we must change the name. And they were saying things like:

“Oh, I’m fifth generation colonialist!”

And this one in particular, still the image’s in my mind, like she was just about in tears. She’s feeling so guilty for her forefathers fifth generation colonialist! She’s absolutely just dripping with guilt! And I’m thinking:

“Oh, you poor girl!”

She’s been traumatized.

John Friend: Yes, she has had her mind poisoned!

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

John Friend: By anti-White, jewish propaganda! That’s it. I mean, that’s what it is. And it’s totally unacceptable!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

John Friend: So it shows how effective this propaganda is. And we have got to take control back of our destiny, and think for ourselves, and stop listening to these people. Because this is how they present everything. It’s always the White, you know, devil’s fault for everything.

And it’s just totally not even true, first of all time objectively. We ought to be proud of founding America, and founding Canada, and founding all of the great civilizations in the world, all throughout history.

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Monika Schaefer: Yes indeed. That’s why it’s so important to tell the truth about our history. That’s what it comes down to. Because we have to, like you say, take pride in our people, love our people. And also if we are so ashamed of our ancestors it means that we don’t want to take on their traditions, or keep their traditions alive. Which means that there’s a vacuum.

And what does that vacuum get filled with? Smut and degeneracy that the jews are pushing on us!

John Friend: Every time! All throughout history.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

John Friend: Well, get this. There’s one last thing here I want to quote from the article. And then we’ll move on. They quote a guy, a David Taylor, who’s a spokesperson for justice minister David lametty. And he’s basically saying he’s representing the government. He’s basically, again advocating for this law. And he says:

“Our government takes the fight against anti-semitism and all hate crimes very seriously. No jewish Canadian should be subjected to racism and hateful rhetoric. That has no place in our country.”

And this sort of rhetoric is exactly what you hear from US officials, and British officials, and German officials, and any government spokesman, the whole world over, essentially. And this guy Taylor, the spokesperson for the justice minister, said that:

“They are confident that the Bill will stand up to any judicial scrutiny.”

And he says, … Get this. Okay. This is the hypocrisy and the double think you have to engage in to actually take what these people say seriously. He says:

“Freedom of expression is a fundamental freedom protected under the Charter. Like all rights and freedoms it is not absolute, and maybe subject to reasonable limits under the Charter. This Bill was reviewed for consistency with the Charter. It is our government’s position that the offense is consistent with the Charter. And this proposed new offense mirrors existing hate crime provisions.”

So I mean, again, think about it. The total hypocrisy of our elected officials, who say they support free speech and freedom of expression, yet they back bills criminalizing using free speech and free expression, and freedom of intellectual inquiry to basically criminalize anybody that is voicing criticism, or skepticism of various aspects of history, especially the alleged jewish “Holocaust” narrative.

So I mean, it’s just a total, in your face, blatant hypocrisy, that is just insulting!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. The Charter, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, that has that “not withstanding” clause in it. And while that excerpt from the article didn’t exactly say those words, the “not withstanding” clause, you did refer to it though, where reasonable limits like “subject to these reasonable limits”. So yeah, we have all these rights except for there need to be these reasonable limits. That comes from this “not withstanding” clause. Which is like basically okay you have this Charter. And then you just shred it! It’s just well, worthless!

John Friend: Right. Well, you have free speech unless it offends jews. And then you don’t. And then you don’t have free speech [chuckling]! Either jews, or they’re like puppets, you know, minority groups that they’re manipulating and using to advance their anti-White agenda. That’s basically what they’re saying. So we’ll see. It’s pretty outrageous.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we start seeing calls for legislation similar to this in the United States. Shortly after the alleged shooting in Buffalo, which took place a couple weeks ago. And that’s a shooting that I have a lot of questions about. An alleged shooting, I should say, because I’m not even sure that anything like that even really took place there. It looks extremely suspect.

But anyways, immediately after that there were calls for more domestic terrorism laws. And they passed a resolution in the Congress that was approved by everybody except for one representative Thomas Massey, a Republican from Kentucky. And it was an anti-semitism resolution that condemned “Holocaust” denial, and condemned anti-semitism, and condemned unquote “conspiracy theories”, like the Great Replacement, which they say is this delusional conspiracy theory.

Meanwhile you look at any demographic statistics from any city, any state, any Western country, and it clearly shows that there is, in fact, a great replacement happening. And the White European demographic continues to decline. And we’re going to be replaced in the countries that our ancestors founded!

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Monika Schaefer: Yeah. And I think it’s kind of interesting that they can call this “conspiracy theory”, and they call it bunk when those same politicians, or their colleagues, can talk quite openly about how:

“Oh by the year such and such, Whites will be in the minority in this region, that region. And the other regions.”

John Friend: They celebrate it! And they brag, and they boast, and they celebrate it. Yeah, exactly!

Monika Schaefer: They celebrate it. And then on the other hand they’re saying.

“Oh. This is just a bogus conspiracy theory! Where’d you get that idea?”

John Friend: Well, that’s the psychological warfare. That’s the gas lighting! The in your face abuse that you’re supposed to sit there and put up with.

Monika Schaefer: Thank you. “Gas lighting” is a good term for that. It really is! It makes you crazy have isn’t it? I mean, it just makes you crazy. That’s what they’re trying to do. That’s what they do with that kind of stuff.

John Friend: Yeah, exactly. It’s enough to drive you crazy! It makes me crazy just sitting here thinking about it. [chuckling] Yeah, it’s outrageous. And yeah, we’ve been talking about this sort of stuff for a long, long, time, over 10 years. And you start scratching your head. It’s like:

“Is anybody paying attention? Are we going to actually do anything about this?”

I think we’re making some progress. But it still feels still feels very, … I don’t want to say hopeless. But I think the political solutions are very, very limited at this point.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, definitely! The political solutions like in terms of voting and getting representatives, … I mean, like Ezra Pound’s words on democracy. He says:

“Democracy is jews speak for country run by jews.”

John Friend: Yes. Absolutely! Well, Hitler said the same thing about democracy. One of the best books I’ve ever read is For My Legionaries by Cornelius Codrianu. A Romanian, basically like National Socialist type revolutionary figure. Are you familiar with that book?

Monika Schaefer: No, I’m not.

John Friend: Oh you’d love it. Yeah you got to read it. It’s great! I can’t remember off the top my head. But I want to say he was active right around the time that Hitler was as well. But anyways, the book is outstanding. And he basically makes the same points that basically in a democracy whoever controls information, whoever controls the media, basically controls the government. And that’s exactly what we have in every Western country. And it’s been this way for a very, very long time!

Monika Schaefer: It has.

John Friend: And that kind of leads us into the next topic. This Kahilla sort of organization that you actually brought to my attention shortly before we started the podcast. And I’m going to have a link over to an article that was actually published at the Renegade Tribune, renegadetribune.com. A really good website. I used to sort of be affiliated with the Renegade Tribune. But they still do a lot of good work. And it’s an excerpt from a chapter in Ben Klassen’s book, Nature’s Eternal Religion. And you can actually download that book online for free as a PDF. I’ll have a link to do that in this podcast post, when I post it. And this chapter talks specifically about the Kahilla. Am I pronouncing that correctly, by the way?

Monika Schaefer: That’s what I think. I might be wrong on that. But I just have Kahilla. I’ve heard that word for a long time. But I didn’t really know what it was all about until I read this article. It blew my mind! Right. Well it’s basically like an organized secret society of jews based on a very strict hierarchy. And this would explain how they’re able to instill and reinforce these narratives and talking points in public policy all across the world. Right?

Monika Schaefer: Yes. This principle of sevens, did you want to talk about that, or would you like me to talk about that briefly?

John Friend: Yeah, go ahead. And then there’s a really good excerpt that I’ll read from the chapter. But yeah, go ahead. I want you kind of explain it to us.

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Monika Schaefer: So over the entire world they’ve got a leader in the Eastern hemisphere, and a leader in the Western hemisphere. And the Eastern hemisphere is based out of London. The Western hemisphere based out of New York City. That’s where the headquarters are. It’s on the “sevens principle”. So there’s seven layers of seven so okay they make decisions. And there’s a board of directors. That’s 300 people. They have to be over 60 years old. And they are full bearded jews, okay.

So there’s board of directors. They’ll discuss things and make decisions. And then this leader in the Western and the Eastern hemisphere, they each call seven people that are under them, and tell them do this, or do that. Then those seven call each of them call seven under them. So you got 49. Then each of them calls seven under them. Now, I don’t have the numbers in front of me. Then there’s seven layers like that. By the seventh layer you’ve got almost a million people in the Eastern hemisphere. And in the Western hemisphere, each.

So you’ve got like over one and a half million worldwide. And it’s very secretive. The people who are being called, they’re all jews, of course. They don’t even know who each other are. And they carry out this agenda. And that’s why really any one of them only has to make seven calls. And then there’s the seven layers of this. And that’s how you can get this huge number of people.

And these jews have insinuated themselves everywhere, like into organizations, into government, into media, into everywhere. And that’s how they can so quickly have their agenda unfold and be in lock step with one another world wide! I mean, it is amazingly fast and efficient method to communicate.

And in 2017 Alfred was on a speaking tour in Canada. And he talked about internet stuff. And he talked about this jewish internet before the internet existed. And I don’t think he named the Kahilla, or named this specific method of organization. But he said that they long before we had heard about any of these things, they had their methods of communicating really quickly all over the world. And I guess this is the method. This is how they’ve been doing it I don’t know how long this specific, the Kahilla, has been in existence. But this is just incredible!

John Friend: Yeah. You’re right. You make a lot of good points. And it’s an interesting way of looking at the situation. I don’t know if there’s too much concrete, hard proof, of the existence of this sort of organization. Maybe it existed at some point in history. And I’m not even denying that it exists today. I wouldn’t be surprised if it does. But you can just look at the way jewish organizations network with each other. And the way they coordinate. And they’re all on the same page, always!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

John Friend: And most of these organizations have connections to the media. They have connections to the government. They have connections to synagogues, local synagogues, international. So they’re all very, very, well networked and organized.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. Church organizations, not just synagogues, right. But there’re all the other churches, they’ve been all infiltrated. And then teachers organizations.

John Friend: In Masonry, unions, exactly.

Monika Schaefer: Absolutely.

John Friend: Well, let me just read briefly an excerpt here. It says here:

“With a secret, dedicated, fanatically loyal organization, with this kind of structure it is easy to see how orders can be communicated and carried out with the minimum of delay, or red tape. When the hemispheric head of the Kahilla gives orders to his seven, from there on there are only six steps down the line of command in order to have every one of the one million Kahilla members notified in short order. All that is necessary to make seven sets of phone calls down the chain of command. Remember each man only has to make seven calls to the seven men below him, and in a matter of minutes the whole network of one million members has been given their marching orders. This is how the jews manage to set in motion strikes, agitations, student riots, or whatever is the order of the day, all over the world at the same time. This is the leadership principle at work. Among other things the Kahilla members are taught to infiltrate the management of our schools, colleges, and universities, in order to indoctrinate our younger and rising leaders with their false philosophies.”

And it goes on to discuss how they’ve also infiltrated media organizations, and other secret societies, like Freemasonry, and the Catholic Church, and the Jesuits, and things of this nature. So this actually makes a lot of sense. And even today I don’t know if necessarily it’s this sort of a hierarchical. Because there are so many jewish organizations that are so well networked and connected. That it’s almost this is just how they operate.

I mean look at how like the Black Lives Matters protest got off the ground, back in 2020. Nationwide in a matter of one night, virtually every major city in the country had a major, basically violent revolution at on their hands! That’s how these people operate.

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Monika Schaefer: That’s right.

John Friend: We see that same thing going on recently with the Supreme Court leak. I don’t know if you followed that, but somebody within the Supreme Court. It had to be one of the clerks working for one of the Supreme Court justices, leaked a draft opinion that would have basically overturned Roe vs Wade. And it was leaked to the media.

And almost overnight there were massive protests. And all these radical crazy abortionists, and feminists, and Antifa. And all these very crazy like Left-wing radicals were out in the streets. They were protesting in front of Supreme Court justices private homes. They were surrounding the Supreme Court in Washington DC. I mean, like literally like an insurrection organized instantly. That’s how these people work. That’s how these people operate. None of that happened organically [chuckling]!

John Friend: No! Absolutely not!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. No, it’s quite something isn’t it?

John Friend: Yeah. Anyways, very interesting. I’m glad that you brought that to my attention. Like I said, I was sort of familiar with the concept. But that article is very interesting. And if anybody’s interested definitely check out the article. And you can even download the full book and read it. I’ve actually never read Nature’s Eternal Religion. I am familiar with Ben Klassen. I know he’s like very anti-Christian which has always kind of turned me off to his writings, and his work, and stuff. I haven’t really investigated it all that closely. But for anybody interested it’s there. You can find a link to it when I post this program. Was there anything else you wanted to mention about this topic?

Monika Schaefer: No. We could move on.

John Friend: Okay. I gotta ask you really quickly. And we don’t have to spend a lot of time on this. I’m just curious if you have any opinion on these alleged mass shootings that have recently taken place. I talked extensively about the alleged shooting in Buffalo with Russ Winter on a recent podcast. So I’d encourage everybody to check that out if they haven’t heard it already. But between then there was also another alleged shooting in Texas, which was very, very bizarre. It almost looks like, …

Monika Schaefer: You’re talking about this Uvaldi [sp], or whatever it’s called? It just smacks of false flag, and lots of problems with that.

John Friend: Yeah.

Monika Schaefer: I’m not somebody who has looked into and researched all the details there, but right away a lot of red flags went up. So I think that there’s a lot of problems with their story, with the authenticity of it.

John Friend: Absolutely. It’s one of the most bizarre official shooting stories that I’ve ever heard. It very much reminds me of like a Mexican version of Sandy Hook! Like Sandy Hook was extremely bizarre. And the interviews with the alleged parents, and none of it added up. The official story didn’t make any sort of sense. And it’s the same exact thing in this case.

I actually just read an article that was published by the New York Post – so not some like random blog on the internet – talking about how there was a drill, a mass shooting drill, that took place in the same town at the high school. But this was back in March. And so it seems like there’s always like some sort of drill involved leading up to an alleged mass shooting. I don’t know what to make of that. But it is very interesting.

And if you just read the official story. I mean, it’s literally like the most asinine, ludicrous story! This kid shoots his grandma in the face with the weapon that he only recently purchased. He apparently bought two of these high powered assault rifles. Which, I mean, they’re like thousands of dollars. Where is this kid getting the money to purchase these weapons, to purchase all this ammunition? He had tons of ammunition. How was he carrying it on himself and like running around and shooting everybody.

He apparently got in a truck and drove his truck into a ditch. If you drive your truck into a ditch how are you not injured? I mean, he like instantly like jumped out of his truck and was like running around and like shooting people, shooting at people. And then he entered the school, and the door was opened by a teacher. [chuckling] I mean, it’s just like the most ridiculous story!

[60:10]

Monika Schaefer: And then the part that I thought was really weird makes no sense, is that the police didn’t go in for an hour!

John Friend: Exactly!

Monika Schaefer: What’s that all about? I couldn’t even make sense of what they’re trying to achieve with that part of the story.

John Friend: It’s almost like they’re trying to like discredit the police. And they’ve been trying to do that for a long time with these Black Lives Matters sort of protests, and police brutality, and yeah all this other nonsense. And the police do make mistakes. Obviously, they’re not perfect.

Monika Schaefer: But it’s part of that drive I think to defund the police. And then you have total mayhem right.

John Friend: Yes. Exactly! And to make them look totally incompetent. And in many cases. I think they probably are incompetent.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. No doubt. But still there’s an agenda here. Because then they’ll, you know, accompany that with the violent sort of BLM which I call, Burn Loot and Murder [chuckling]! It’s what it stands for.

John Friend: Absolutely. So anyways, we don’t got to spend a lot of time on it. I don’t know how closely you’ve looked into it. But it is a very, very weird bizarre situation that makes absolutely no sense!

Monika Schaefer: I put that into the false flag, you know, staged event category. And we can move on.

John Friend: Yeah, okay, all right, good. So we’re on the same page there then.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

John Friend: I kind of figured we would be. We’ll go ahead and wrap up with our last topic. And that is I wanted you to provide some updates on Alfred. You have a letter, it’s like excerpts from letters.

Monika Schaefer: Excepts from four different letters that he wrote recently to me. And I just thought he really has a knack for thinking of comparisons, metaphors, analogies. He has a wonderful way of being able to formulate our problem that we have, and make comparisons to nature. I just think there’s some real words of wisdom in his writings, and I was inspired to put this article up. I hadn’t done one in a while where I’ve just put Alfred’s letters and stuff.

So yeah, you had put a little excerpt there in your message to me. Do you still have that in front of you. It was just very, very short. Why don’t you start with that. That would be good.

John Friend: Yes I do. He was talking about free speech. Let me see.

Monika Schaefer: Oh yeah!

John Friend: Yeah I have it. And, by the way, let me mention this. I’ll have a link to this post on your website. But again your website is freespeechmonika.com. And it’s the most current post right now anyways, as we’re speaking. It was published may 28th. So just a couple days ago. And he says:

“We do have free speech, that has been granted to us by god almighty at the time of our birth. That is our birthright. And by that we shall live, and also die as free men and women.”

And boy, that totally resonates with me! Certainly!

Monika Schaefer: Yes. It’s really important. It also kind of reminds me of when I was in jail and I wrote this in some letters. And I really felt it. I genuinely meant this when I said:

“I feel a thousand times freer than the jail boss.”

So that is related to what Alfred said there with the freedom of speech. That we have freedom of speech, it’s a god-given right. I mean, they can pretend that they’re taking it away. Those are just blots of toner on paper. He talks about when their laws, their so-called laws against, that we can’t say this. And we can’t say that. He just calls it “blots of toner on paper”. Well they mean nothing! We have these rights, they exist! They can’t take these away.

John Friend: Right. And what’s so incredible about America is that the founding fathers recognized these as specifically god-given rights that could not be taken by any man. These were rights that were given to us by our creator. And they were in enshrined in the US constitution in the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights. And Canada and other Western countries have sort of a version of this, although it may not be as explicitly stated as it is in the First Amendment to the US constitution.

Monika Schaefer: No. We really don’t, we really don’t. Then there’s that Hate Speech law that just nullifies and voids anything that we might think is freedom of speech.

John Friend: But nevertheless this is a bedrock principle of Western civilization!

Monika Schaefer: It is.

John Friend: And it’s something that our societies and our civilization has been based on, and founded upon. And it’s something that we all ought to take very, very seriously. This is what our society is all about. And what made us the greatest civilization in the history of the world!

[65:12]

Monika Schaefer: That’s right. And I think that White people in general have this very strong spirit. It’s an individualistic spirit. It’s a spirit of that we have this innately in our blood. You could say that we feel that we have the freedom to speak, to be, and not to have somebody lord it over us. Now, we have been rendered quite ill right now. And I say collectively, we have become ill, because we have been subjected to decades and decades of lies, and deceptions, and demoralization, and degeneration.

But genetically we do have this free spirit. And it still courses through our blood. And we have to get back up on our feet. Which is what we are, you and I with this. And all the work you do, and the work that I’m doing, the work that Alfred’s doing.

This is what we’re trying to do, is it is get our people back up on their feet again. So that we reclaim these natural, god-given rights and blessings and abilities. And just our natural selves, who we are.

But I guess all those reasons, all those qualities that we that I just talked about, is why the jews hate us so!

John Friend: Right.

Monika Schaefer: Is why they hate us. So we are the biggest obstacle to their being, their agenda, all through history. But they also love to be in the parasitic relationship with us. Because we create, we have this creative spirit. We create stuff, and create civilizations.

And they, you know what better host than somebody who’s creative for the parasite to be latching on to. But you see it’s this love-hate thing they have for us. And right now, they’re hell-bent on destroying us. And yeah, it’s not going to work out very well for them, is it now [chuckling]?

John Friend: Yeah. I pray. And Alfred, yeah you’re right, he’ll have some extremely profound statements in a lot of these letters that you come across. Some little gems that you frankly won’t really hear, or see anywhere else. He goes on with this quote. He says here:

“If someone thinks they stand above god almighty, let them step forward. But we shall never abandon, or relinquish, or abdicate, this god-given right, especially not if the psychopaths asking us to do so, are known mass murderers, and child rapers, …”

That second part. I mean, yeah, that’s a little bit more controversial. But absolutely these people that would basically legislate our right to free speech, to freedom of expression, to freedom of inquiry, of intellectual, or historical inquiry, these people are the scum of the earth! They are mass murderers. Many of them no doubt are sexual predators, and sexual deviants. There’s no doubt about that. And they have no right to rule over us, or to take away our rights!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. That’s right. There’s another very short quote here I’d like to read. And it was in response to, … I had recently been in touch with Kai Muros. I don’t know if you are familiar with him. But he has made some excellent speeches! Very, very inspirational. Anyway, when I sent his greetings to Alfred in a letter. Then Alfred writes back. He says:

“Oh, of course, I know Kai Muros! His quotation is so wonderful! His words have never left my inner compass. It has been people like Kai Muros who have left an indelible mark on me and gave me the total confidence that we will reach our mark. He speaks from the very core of our DNA. The tiny message from you about Kai is like a turbo boost of energy for me, because I know the power of words in this dark and stormy sea! They are the lighthouses that guide the ships to the safety of the harbor of truth!”

Isn’t that beautiful?

John Friend: Yes, absolutely!

Monika Schaefer: :

“I know the power of words in this dark and stormy sea, they are the lighthouses that guide the ships to the safety of the harbor of truth!”

I just love that statement there! Oh, it’s actually giving me, you know, tingly feeling up and down my arms and my back! It’s beautiful.

John Friend: Yeah, absolutely! Well I gotta ask you one last thing I guess, unless there’s any other topics you wanted to get to. But at the very beginning of the excerpts that you have in your recent post, he talks about the criminality that we see today is beyond imaginable. And he was actually talking about how you can’t even leave Canada without taking the jab. I know he’s been very, very suspicious of this whole fake pandemic, right? From the beginning.

Monika Schaefer: Right.

John Friend: Yeah. And he refuses to wear the mask. He refuses to get tested, and get, of course, get the jab. Can you not leave Canada without taking the jab, like without presenting proof that you took the vaccine? Is that true?

[70:45]

Monika Schaefer: Well, I think it is. I mean, I’ve been talking to quite a few people about it, and from all indications I think it is true, although some people say:

“Oh well, if you drive you can’t go. And if you fly you can. Then you go to quarantine for 14 days.”

But it’s very confusing. Like, I myself, am not going to go buy an airplane ticket and then get stopped, because it sounds like we cannot leave. That’s from all accounts.

Now if somebody can tell me otherwise that’s great, if there’s a way. I think that maybe there’s a way to go and just, I don’t know.

John Friend: Gosh, it’s so unbelievable, we’ve gotten to this point!

Monika Schaefer: We’re behind the Iron Curtain here at the purebloods. The purebloods were behind the Iron Curtain. And I have kind of heard rumblings about this Monkeypox thing that they’re rolling out. It’s going to be very different from the Covid roll out. They’re going to be putting intense pressure.

And they’ll start with certain segments of the population, perhaps the gay population. Because the gay population is very, very Leftist, bought into the agenda already. So they’re going to be easy to kind of get high compliance on getting the jab for the Monkeypox, now. Even though this Monkeypox supposedly is very mild. And I think it really is just the effects of the first jabs series, right? So people are going to have lesions on their skin, and this and that. So then they just call it this new virus. And they’re going to say:

“Okay, we need another vaccine jab.”

And then they start with some segments of the population and then really come down hard on those who are going to resist. And all the way up to putting them in camps. I don’t know it’s just something some rumblings I’ve been reading and hearing about how they’re going to perhaps roll this out very, very differently than what they did with the Covid, with general lockdowns. It could be that it’s quite different.

And also when they do these things by incremental, then people just kind of carry on, just keep going, and just go along to get along. And:

“Okay, it’s not happening to me. So I can just carry on.”

Like it’s kind of a dangerous situation. We need to really be alert to that. So I’m just putting that out there just to, I guess, just to have people be alert to what methods they are gonna roll out here.

John Friend: Right. Well I think the biggest thing is just people have got to stand their ground and have a backbone, and just say no! I mean this whole time that’s been my approach is like:

“Look. No, I’m sorry, I’m not taking a vaccine. I’m not doing this.”

Yeah. I mean, in certain situations especially with like the face mask it was almost impossible. Like, if you’re taking a flight, for example. But I mean, I think much of this medical tyranny that we’ve seen over the past couple years has really just been the public caving in, and just giving in, and not even fighting back.

Monika Schaefer: Absolutely!

John Friend: That’s the biggest part of it. Including people that like will tell you that they don’t want to take the vaccine. They’re skeptical of it. They don’t trust the science. They don’t even buy into the whole narrative. And yet they will still go out and take it, because they think they have to, or whatever.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, they want to travel, or to keep their job, or to do this, or to that, which is really this disastrous situation. Because what they don’t fully understand where this is taking us. And also what that jab may, or may not do to them. I mean, depending maybe they got the placebo. But if they are against it, but they take it anyway, I guess they don’t really understand it. Like if it’s just to:

“Oh I want to travel.”

Or:

“I want to have my job.”

Well, you’re not going to have any of those things if you keel over!

John Friend: If you have a heart attack for taking it. Yeah, I just saw an article. There was a marathon in Brooklyn recently. And it was like, I can’t even remember off the top of my head. It was like 10 people. Like, I don’t know if they died, I can’t remember. I should have pulled it up before. I didn’t even realize we’d be talking about this.

But this is happening all over. Professional athletes, and just all sorts of people, are having very, very serious negative health consequences, and other consequences, after taking the vaccine. And I don’t know exactly what is going on. You mentioned there may be like some sort of placebo. And other doses may be actually the real deal. And it’s really impacting people.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

John Friend: I don’t know. I think vaccines in general tend to impact everybody differently, depending on your, I don’t know, your genetics. I mean, everything, your diet, your overall health in general. I think everybody’s impacted by these things differently. And some people may not, you know, face any sort of negative health repercussions. Other people may be severely debilitated.

Monika Schaefer: Absolutely, or keel right over. Right?

John Friend: Yeah. And that that appears to be definitely happening from all indications. And it’s so evil. And so wrong yeah. And it breaks my heart that people have just caved in like this, when simply all you to do is say:

“No!”

Look you ought to be a free person to make your own choices and not be bullied into taking, basically like a forced medical intervention. I mean, it’s insane!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, it is. If everybody had just said “no” right from the get-go about the masks, we could have really stopped it in its tracks. I think right from the get-go if everybody had just said:

“No! Sorry.”

John Friend: I don’t think I could wear a mask again, at this point. I think if they wanted to kick me out:

“Okay. Sorry, I guess I just won’t shop here.”

Whatever. I mean, I haven’t even been forced into that sort of situation for a long time now. But for a very long time, you know, especially when this the whole thing first rolled out in like 2020, it was like you couldn’t even step foot anywhere without somebody asking you to put a mask on, or threatening to kick you out, or whatever. So it’s tough! It’s tough. But I think, at this point, no. I do not comply! I will not take the vaccine! I’m not putting a face mask over my mouth. I’m not going along with this.

Monika Schaefer: And there’s a lot of us John! Like they skew the numbers on purpose to make it sound like everybody’s taking it. But no. There’s a lot of us who just will not comply. And that’s great! And we need to really reinforce that message for people that there are many of us. So yeah,

John Friend: Including your brother.

John Friend: Yeah. That’s the whole reason he’s in solitary confinement since December 3rd, 2020! He has been in solitary confinement. And then they upped the level of solitary, in a quarantined solitary confinement, when he refused to even take the test. So he’s standing on principle, because he insisted on breathing freely. Like this is why they put him in solitary since then. It’s absolutely unbelievable that this could happen in a so-called Western, free, democratic country!

John Friend: Right. Well, anyway he’s getting out! He’s getting out of jail! He’s got his get out of jail card for July 4th, independence day for you guys.

John Friend: How appropriate!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, he likes that. He likes the symbolism of that, that’s for sure. But it’s just amazing to me, because when it was starting to get close, because it was always like this forever thing. Like it seemed like he was in jail forever. For me it just seemed like:

“Oh this is just forever!”

And then about two months ago I just realized:

“Oh my goodness! This is coming right up. And it’s gonna go so fast!”

And it is indeed. Like now it’s just a matter of weeks. And he’s going to be out. And we’re going to be able to talk in real time via Skype, or whatever. I would love to fly over there John to meet him at the gate. Oh my goodness! I would just like that so much. But I can’t!

John Friend: Yeah.

Monika Schaefer: It’s not possible. But he’ll want to do interviews, I know that. So I know he’ll want to talk with you. You were one of the very first people that interviewed him when, I think it was after he did his first major video. And you had contacted him. I think you, or maybe one other, was the first to reach out to him for one of these kinds of interviews. So there you go John. He will be happy to talk to you again, that’s for sure.

John Friend: Oh yeah! I know. I very much look forward to doing just that.

Monika Schaefer: Great!

John Friend: Yeah, well okay Monika. Thank you so much for joining me once again. This has been a great conversation, as I knew it would be.

Monika Schaefer: I’ve enjoyed it immensely! Thank you so much for having me on again.

John Friend: No problem.

Monika Schaefer: And I look forward to doing it again.

John Friend: Okay, sounds good. Yeah. We’ll stay in touch, and we’ll have to coordinate something as we approach Alfred’s release date. Which is, as you said, in about a month, a little over a month.

Monika Schaefer: Just over a month, yes.

John Friend: Very good. Okay. Well, god bless you and god bless your brother.

Monika Schaefer: God bless you too.

John Friend: Yeah, I very much look forward to speaking to Alfred. Okay, take care Monika.

Monika Schaefer: My pleasure. Thank you.

John Friend: No problem. Thank you very much. Bye.

[80:18]

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Realist Report May 31, 2022 5:06 pm
Here is a link to the Q&A I mentioned at the beginning of the podcast:
https://truthandjusticeforgermans.com/ns-kampfruf-frontline-report-monika-schaefer-on-the-holocaust-politics-national-socialist-germany-and-adolf-hitler/
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Freya June 1, 2022 3:56 am
(banner) HONK IF YOU KNOW THE (6 MIILLION) HOLOCAUST IS FAKE
Exposing the crime is not a crime! It is the right thing to do, right?
Exposing the Jewish crimes against humanity is not a crime! It is the right thing to do, right?
Telling the truth is not a crime! It is the right thing to do, right?
EXPOSING the crimes (of Jews or non-Jews) is not the crime! COMMITTING the crime is the crime, right?
What “Semites” are the Jewish criminals talking about? It is not about “Semites” – It is about the Jewish criminals hiding behind self-invented illogical WORDS … in order to evade criticism and legal prosecution for their most heinous crimes!
Most of those who call themselves ‘Jews’ are not even Semites! Ergo: Critisizing them for their crimes CANNOT be “anti-Semitic”… right?
https://therealistreport.com/is-anti-semitism-a-crime/#comments
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Stephen Yuill June 1, 2022 8:00 am
Thank you John for bringing on Monika once again. I always look forward to the interview. Monika is a heroine for those of us in the know in this sad country of Canada. Can’t wait for your interview after Alfred’s release.
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Karin Joy Passmore June 2, 2022 2:23 pm
Not enough said about atrocities against Christians. I’m learning that our clergy have been mercilessly targeted and genocided in countries taken by the communists, and yet people do not point that out nor educate each other about such things. Let us change our focus from the “holocaust” and teach our children what has been done to our own ancestors. That will cause the needed bond, and free our children from guilt before any man, though not before the Lord.
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Kate June 3, 2022 5:40 pm
Love Monika! What a heroine! Like Joan of Arc!
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Victor Paul Fletcher June 5, 2022 5:48 pm
Met Monika briefly in Toronto when she was released from German jail where a support meeting group took place to welcome here now that she is back in Canada.
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Ernst Zundel

My Life and Political Awakening

1979

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CONTENTS

“Who are you? Where are you from? What is your background? What was your development?”

02 I was Born Just at the Outbreak of the Wwii

04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed

“Oh, that’s the front coming closer.”

04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed

05 the Allied Occupation with the Rapes, the Looting, and Then the Starvation

06 the French Allowed US Only 850 Calories Per Day in Ration Coupons

07 We All Looked Like Kids from Bangladesh or Biafra

08 Father Comes Home a Broken Man from an American Pow Camp

“Papa is coming home!”

09 Zundel Graduates from Public School and Decides to Become an Artisan

“Well, this is what this boy is going to be. He’s going to be an artist.”

10 an Aptitude Test Declares Him as Being “Universally Talented”

“Oh yes, this boy has definite talents as an artist.”

“Universally talented! I could have become anything!”

“Well, but he wants to be an artist again.”

“There is no money, no survival in art in modern day Germany, which is in ruins. Let him learn a trade!”

11 Enrolled in a Three Year Apprenticeship Training Program as a Graphic Artist at Age 14

12 Completes His Apprenticeship with Flying Colours and Moves Osnabruck in North Germany

“Boy, across this hill there is a world to be conquered!”

13 Zundel is Told He Must Speak German!

“Zundel, you must understand that you must speak German here, not Swabian!”

14 German Magazines with Full Page Ads from the Us, Canada, Australia, Etc., Saying “Immigrants Wanted!”

“Immigrants wanted!”

“There’s a world to be conquered!”

15 Zundel Choses Canada Because It Looked Like Home in the Black Forest

“Boy, speak German!”

16 Arrives in Montreal Canada in the Fall of 1958, and Then to Toronto

“No problem. We will fund your job in no time.”

17 Gets His First Job in Canada as a Graphic Artist for Simpson Sears

“Impossible!”

“Ah! Just wait a minute. I have a German lady here. She will translate for you.”

“How is it possible that a young fellow of 18 could be so advanced?”

“Look, if he doesn’t believe me that I can do this kind of work, I’ll work for nothing! I’ll work for two, three days for nothing. I have my tools with me. And then he can see whether I can do the work or not!”

“Great! You can start tomorrow! First thing, 9 o’ clock in the morning.”

“Young man, you are hired!”

18 Getting Settled Down in Canada, with a High Paying Job, Learning English Every Day

19 Meets a Lovely Young Girl in Night Language School, Leading to Marriage and His First Son

“Boy, she’s gonna be my woman!”

20 Brings over His Mother for a Visit, Travels Around North America, Recession Hits and No Job or Money

“Ah well, I must bring my mother to this lovely land and pay back a little milk money.”

“Mon cherie, what are we gonna do?”

“You always wanted to go to the province of Quebec. I’d like to go be back amongst my own people too.”

21 Moves to Montreal and Starts Job Hunting at 21, but Becomes a Freelancer

“Well, the heck with this, here’s a perfect opportunity to become a freelance artist!”

“Mr. Zundel?”

“Oh well, I have a job for you.”

22 Starts to Learn French, and Business Succeeds, Puts a Down Payment on a Home

“Gee, if this is such a well paying trade, we could afford a house!”

23 Develops an Interest in Politics and Meets Adrien Arcand, the Hitler of Canada

24 Visits Europe and Contacts Many People to Further His Political Education

25 Enrols in University in Montreal to Study Political Science and History

26 Becomes a Public Speaker to Overcome Shyness

28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven

28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven

29 the Whole Exercise Only a Method to Gain Attention for My Cause

30 Germans Being Second Class Citizens in Canada

“Go to hell!”

31 a Live Interview Which was Broadcast to Europe in German

“Go and beat it!”

“But this is impossible, but you cannot say this!”

“Look, not only am I saying it and you are hearing it, but I’m also meaning it!”

“But this is so unusual!”

“Listen, I am living in Canada, in the land of unlimited opportunity.”

32 Received Only $105 in Donations for His Efforts to Help the Immigrant Community

33 Must Now Return to Business Life and Tend to Mending My Fences

“Well, I must now return to business life and tend to mending my fences there.”

34 Separatism by Communists Becomes Violent in Quebec