Tim Murdoch: This is Tim Murdoch. You’re watching WhiteRabbitRadio live in Game Exotica, the interview series. We have on Blair Cottrell. He will be on hopefully for almost a whole show, but most likely only half a show because he’s on a phone and all these, I guess we can say foreign run convenience stores don’t have the right cord for him.

 

So his phones might run out of charge on us and probably will. So get your questions in. We’re here to talk about Joel Davis and things going on over in Australia. Joel can’t be on because of his crazy bail.

 

So how you doing, Blair?

 

Blair Cottrell: I’m doing fine, man! It’s nice and early here. Not that early. What is it, like 8 o’ clock in the morning? But rolled out of bed, frantically searched for the local convenience stores with friendly local neighborhood Indians. Trying to find the Right charger cord. And I bought one not to let you guys down, but then it’s the wrong one. So we’re just gonna have to see how long this lasts.

 

But the reason I’m in a hotel is because a friend and I traveled from Melbourne to Sydney last night. It’s like a nine hour drive. Australia is a big country like America, but when you factor in the couple of stops to get fuel, it ends up being like 10 or 11 hours. And we did that to visit Joel. First time I’ve seen Joel since he’s been released from prison. Been released on bail about a week ago, just less than a week ago.

 

He’s got stacked of new charges on him. He was initially. If you guys don’t know the story, Joel’s someone I stream with down here. Joel Davis, political commentator and streamer from Australia. He was charged with offending a politician [Allegra Spender], harassing or offending a politician in a Telegram post for a comment he made in a Telegram post that was posted to his public channel. And he was held in isolation as a “national security threat” for the last four months. He was finally released on bail by a Supreme Court justice, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of New South Wales. But he had to pay a lot of money to get there. I think he raised maybe 40,000 from his supporters to get to that point to be released on bail from the Supreme Court. But I think he’s like down to his last 4,000 now.

 

So that’s how much it’s cost him just to get bail for a relatively not less than serious charge. It’s not really a serious charge. It typically carries a pretty low imprisonment rate. I think 6.5% of people that get charged with the same offense that Joel’s been charged with actually end up going to jail at all! So almost 95% of people that get charged with this don’t even go to jail at all! Joel hasn’t even been found guilty yet. He’s not even been convicted. He’s just been accused! But he was held in prison because he’s considered a “national security threat” due to his ideology and various opinions that he shares while he’s streaming.

 

So I had dinner with him last night, and he hasn’t changed at all! If anything, he’s, like, sharper and clearer and even more intelligent than he was before. It’s not surprising because when you sit in jail for a while, you’re removed from all of the petty distractions and the quote, unquote, “degeneracy” of normal society, and all you can really do is read and write. And when you do that for four months straight, you come out quite sharp and clear.

 

So, yeah, he’s in great spirits. He’s very happy to be home. Very grateful to everyone who supported him. He is. Everybody who made it possible for him to get bail, who pitched into the fundraiser. That was huge! But yeah, we had a good laugh. We had some food. He’s feeling good. So that’s where he’s at right now!

 

But he’s banned from the Internet.

 

The reason I have to speak for him, I guess, or update you guys, is Joel is banned from the Internet! Okay? He can’t even have a smartphone, guys. The judge has ruled that he has to have an old brick phone that can’t access the Internet. He’s allowed to access the Internet by computer, but he can’t post anything to social media. He can’t comment on anything, and he can’t have access to the Internet from his phone. Those are his bail conditions imposed by the Supreme Court Justice.

 

Tim Murdoch: Can we petition? Can I pay a lawyer to petition to get him on WhiteRabbitRadio? I wonder how funny that would be. How would that go?

 

Blair Cottrell: I doubt it.

 

Tim Murdoch: I think they’d probably throw him back in jail or something, right? Try to throw me in jail, maybe.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah.

 

Tim Murdoch: But anyways. I think that’s kind of funny, though. Well, it’s funny that they’re going to that extreme, but they’re just trying to make an example out of him, and they did. Is there any precedents for trying to keep him off the Internet or denying his civil, … This is denying his Civil Liberties in a modern, …

 

Blair Cottrell: We don’t really have., …

 

Tim Murdoch: Denying him the public square. I mean, he can’t come on a radio show and talk about his case. He can’t have a smartphone and post to his Telegram. Even if he’s not violating, … Telegram is not illegal in Australia. It’s not illegal for him to post on Telegram. It’s just illegal for him to say certain things which they’re constantly trying not to specifically define.

 

[07:18]

 

Blair Cottrell: There is some precedent. Look, this demonstrates the bail conditions imposed on Joel basically being banned from the Internet because the accusation against him stems from a post made on the Internet.

 

And so while the matter is still active and a conviction is yet to be found bail conditions preventing him from using the Internet. This kind of thing demonstrates the disparity between Australia and America. We don’t have Civil Liberties. We don’t have free speech rights down here. Like, so no one has the rights to be criticizing any government official, really. As long as you’re not being overly belligerent. You might be able to, but depending on the language you used, you can be charged with menacing or harassing or maybe something else. It’s getting quite tight down here, especially in recent years. But there’s been a significant shift in the past six months or so.

 

I mean, last year, after our most significant or our worst terror attack in the country’s history occurred on Bondi beach in New South Wales, a couple of Muslim characters opened fire on people on a beach specifically targeting jewish people. I think it was at a jewish festival of some sort. It’s like certain government bureaucrats were so disappointed that the shooters weren’t White guys that they just unleashed on Joel Davis! It’s like the Eye of Sauron was just completely focused on Joel Davis. And Joel’s, like, really surprised by it. When we were eating dinner last night, he was laughing! He’s like:

 

“How is this real? Like, I just posted one thing to Telegram and I’m being treated worse than the actual terrorist who shot those guys on the beach. I’ve been banned from the Internet!”

 

He’s almost struggling. He’s laughing at it, but he’s almost struggling to wrap his head around the logistics of it. And it doesn’t actually make sense.

 

So there is some precedent for people being restricted from using the Internet in a certain way if their accusation relates to something on the Internet in Australia. But the major point to consider is its very different from America. Here, basically, you can be just held indefinitely while your matter is being argued without any proof of guilt. You’re essentially guilty until you try to pay enough to prove yourself innocent. You know, so the whole concept of “innocent until proven guilty”, it exists in legal theory, but in practice it doesn’t exist because you get accused of something and then you sit in jail until the matter is finalized in court, until you pay enough money to prove your innocence, or do a deal and get out somehow.

 

So that’s how it really works.

 

Tim Murdoch: He can talk with his friends, he can talk with you and go to dinner with you. Not a problem. What he’s restricted from like former NSN because that’s been disbanded. For instance, if Tom comes and sees him, can he see Tom?

 

Blair Cottrell: I’m pretty sure he can, but the thing is, Tom has also been charged with a number of offenses which confine him to his state. And Joel resides in a different state right now, the neighboring state.

 

So you can’t cross state boundaries legally while you’re on bail for these offenses. And Joel can’t leave the state either.

 

Tim Murdoch: They basically have to have their cases done with, right?

 

Blair Cottrell: Correct. Yeah. So they can move through states freely again. And that’s very standard for any sort of indictable criminal offense for which you’re on bail. You’re not supposed to leave the state without permission. So technically they could call the police and say:

 

“Look, I want to go interstate to visit my friend and come straight back. Can I do that?”

 

But it just comes down to the whim of some police bureaucrat whether or not you can actually do that.

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah. Not a free country! But none of us live in a free country. Just some more than others at the moment, maybe. When does this, how long. What is the next step for him? How long will this take before he can get to court? Because now he’s released on bail. But the matters are still pending. These guys have all kinds of matters pending, technically, I guess.

 

Blair Cottrell: Right. While Joel was in what’s called Long Bay Jail, New South Wales, in isolation, being held without conviction as a national security risk, he was hit with something like nine other charges, or more than that.

 

I can’t remember what he said. There’s a whole bunch of other charges.

 

Tim Murdoch: Are they more or less serious charges? I remember this, but when it comes to these Australia charges these charges are serious, but they’re not doing it. I mean, these guys really aren’t doing anything! They’re just hitting crazy charges over Telegram posts or crazy charges for getting into an argument with the shitlibs or it’s just total insanity!

 

But nonetheless, the charges are there and the charges are very serious on the books. And the police treat them like these are major criminal offenses and terrorists and so on and so forth.

 

Blair Cottrell: Typically, for this kind of thing, the police wouldn’t usually get out of bed for something like what Joel posted on Telegram, it’s just because of his ideology. And that was more or less admitted by the court system in the magistrates level of court, which is a lower level of a state court in Australia. Magistrates were just like:

 

“Look, usually bail would apply, but because of his ideological connections and the sensitivity around that, given this recent terror attack, he needs to be held in prison.”

 

Basically. That’s what they were essentially saying.

 

But look, all of the charges that Joel has, I think there’s beyond nine of them right now! Nine or ten or maybe even more. They’re all in relation to streaming. Okay. They’re from things. I think he has six charges from one stream! From the things he said about other ethnic groups.

 

[13:05]

 

Tim Murdoch: These are streams with you? These are streams with Americans or you don’t know?

 

Blair Cottrell: Stream with me. Yeah, well, it was just a stream out of Australia with me. The one in question. The’s being charged with a number of offenses relating to “inciting contempt or revulsion of a specific class of people”, which is relatively new legislation under Australia’s Racial and Religious Tolerance Act.

 

Tim Murdoch: This is saying something about jews, probably.

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, one I think is comments about jewish people. One is about Indian people and the other is about black people.

 

And all of the comments, there’s like six different charges I think, if my memory serves me right. But I know he’s definitely been charged a bunch of times in relation to one stream. And here’s the thing man, and this is what’s super interesting.

 

You probably heard Nick Fuentes have a crack at Joel and say:

 

“He’s just a Wignat. This was always going to happen to this guy. What an idiot! Whatever.”

 

But Joel has been charged for essentially being a groiper and streaming, like doing exactly what Nick Fuentes does.

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah, but he’s in Australia.

 

Blair Cottrell: He’s been charged for what he’s saying in streams, and then directing his followers to criticize politicians on X. He’s been charged with doing the same thing. Americans have the freedom to do this apparently, but we don’t.

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah, Nick actually said something that over his sentencing after the fact. But nonetheless, he can be on all sides of the ball, depending on who’s on his nerves on any given day.

 

Blair Cottrell: I think Nick’s great value. When he initially, his comments were:

 

“Oh, this was always going to happen to Joel!”

 

But I think when you look at the charges, …

 

Tim Murdoch: Liek:

 

“The charge this is bullshit!”

 

Or something. I forget what he said.

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, it’s bullshit when you look at the charges. Initially, you’re like:

 

“Okay, Joel was pretty loose!”

 

Everyone can agree that Joel was pretty loose. He was going pretty hard.

 

When you look at what he’s actually being charged with doing. What he’s actually being charged for doing is basically the same thing that Nick does for a living. And you’re like:

 

“What? Hang on, it doesn’t., …”

 

Like I said, it demonstrates the difference legally between Australia and America, and it demonstrates how important it is to have legislation, constitutional rights to freedom of speech, because this is what happens when you don’t have that.

 

Tim Murdoch: Fascinating. So how long will this take before all this particular case is over with and all these other cases. What’s the lineup like?

 

Blair Cottrell: I’d imagine he’s got 12 to 18 months of court appearances, but his next move will be to, at his own convenience, try to get all of the charges heard in bulk in one or two matters, so he doesn’t have to go to court for every single different offense.

 

Tim Murdoch: It’s all the same.

 

Blair Cottrell: Otherwise. It’s just too, …

 

Tim Murdoch: Him running his mouth. It’s all the same stuff. Him live streaming and talking.

 

Blair Cottrell: And there’s the Telegram post, which is a different category of offending, but similar still. And there’s a bunch of other offenses in relation to other things he said. He’s even being charged in relation to private messages he’s had. Because when the police. This is what I forgot to mention. When the police arrested him, the Federal Police, they took his phone, they went through everything, and he’s been making jokes with friends in private conversations that he’s been charged for. Like, literal private conversations that were never public. Because he’s mentioned people specifically in some of those, like, comments, which was all in jest mostly because when you’re talking to the boys, you think it’s private. You say stuff. You say stuff that you don’t think other people would see. But the police have gone through all of it. And he’s got charges in relation to private DMs as well.

 

Tim Murdoch: That’s, its such bullshit! None of these politicians could hold up to those standards. And it’s absurd! But nonetheless, it’s something he’s going through. I remember his fundraiser. I remember putting up and his fundraiser was doing well. Does he have enough money for court? You guys have some good lawyers these days compared to like 10 years ago.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, 10 years ago I was relying on the sympathy, … When I was charged with “hate speech”, I was relying on the sympathy of one lawyer, one lawyer slash barrister, like performing two roles. And I paid him as much as I could, but it was never quite enough. These days there’s a lot more resources available, there’s a lot more sympathy internationally. And the lawyers that Joel has access to, the barrister he used at the Supreme Court, all very professional, top tier stuff. And having access to that for him right now is like indispensable!

 

Tim Murdoch: Plus, there was no such thing as, like GiveSendGo or anything like that, back in the day. There was no crypto.

 

Blair Cottrell: Shout out to GiveSendGo too, by the way. Like just standing strong in the face of all the pressure they must receive from governments around the world and saying:

 

“Look, we believe in free speech. If these people want to raise money, they’re not doing anything illegal. They can raise money.”

 

Like most platforms, most fundraiser platforms would not do that. So GiveSendGo, they’re top notch.

 

[18:26]

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah, I haven’t checked out his fundraiser. I’m assuming it’s still going or I know he hit his goal. That’s all I remember.

 

Blair Cottrell: I think maybe he was saying to me last night that he’s nearly spent at all! Just to get bail.

 

Tim Murdoch: I would imagine.

 

Blair Cottrell: But, I don’t know the details of when he goes to court next and what’s going to be necessary. So once that is known, I’ll help get the information out there and we’ll see what we can do to keep helping him.

 

Tim Murdoch: Okay. And Tom as well. Right. And who else? I know that there’s other guys charged, correct?

 

Blair Cottrell: Oh, there’s a bunch of guys with a bunch of charges. I don’t even know how many. I think the point, obviously is you’re probably understanding Tim. I think the point is just to bog you down.

 

The point is like to just throw this hooked net, this hooked net of just legal nonsense over you that you get entangled in for years. You spend your energy on it, you spend your money on it. And that just kind of holds you back from activism, politics and what you really care about. And that’s the way the Australian government deals with its dissidents.

 

Tim Murdoch: The “process is the punishment”, as they say over here. That’s the whole entire deal. You might get off because it’s all bullshit, but you’re going to have to go through money and it’s all big pain in the ass.

 

Hopefully everyone comes out smarter and more clever. But nonetheless, it sounds like he’s in good spirits. And now this particular program where you can’t be on a smartphone or anything like that, that’ll continue until that particular or trial is over?

 

Blair Cottrell: I think the intent generally, because he has 20 bail conditions, I think, that’s more bail conditions than I’ve ever heard anyone having! Even like the worst criminals don’t get that. I think that the Supreme Court Justice probably just wanted to demonstrate that she was taking everything seriously. She wasn’t just releasing him willy nilly. She wanted to demonstrate to the (((right people))) that she still considers him very threatening. Whatever.

 

Tim Murdoch: Why did he have to be released to his mother and not his wife and kid?

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, this is the funny, this is a weird thing. He’s been banned from Bondi, where his partner lives. And that’s public knowledge now because the media, like doxed her ages ago and, …

 

Tim Murdoch: Right.

 

Blair Cottrell: Literally took a photo on there. Yeah, she was coming out the front of her house. They literally was waiting for her, taking a photo, which I don’t know how that’s legal, is that stalking? The media seems to be able to do whatever they want here. So I don’t know.

 

Tim Murdoch: She’s being a public person now. But they do celebrities. Where there is no decorum, there is no decency in the societies we live in anymore.

 

Blair Cottrell: That’s a good way to put it. Right. And that’s how it feels, definitely!

 

But in Bondi, that’s where the terror attack happened against members of the jewish community. And because of Joel’s public statements considered anti-semitic and because there’s a considerable population of jewish people living in Bondi, that seems to be the reason he’s been banned from that whole suburb. He can’t go to that suburb!

 

Despite the fact that his partner and child live there. And that was his previous residence. That’s where he lived as well. He can’t go home. He’s not allowed to go there because jews live there!

 

Tim Murdoch: Can they come and see him? Can they come to his mother?

 

Blair Cottrell: They can visit him, but I think it’s like an hour’s drive or something, so there’s a bit of a distance to travel. But they have visited him regularly since he’s been out. He’s building a relationship with his son:

 

“My son seems to like me. He’s happy when I hold him.”

 

Is what Joel said:

 

“You know, my son likes me.”

 

So that’s good news. It was just good to see him last night Tim. He’s happy. He’s the same old Joel, but kind of sharper and more energetic than ever!

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah, I know that when he first got in, it was really bad! Right. Did he have any stories from jail that he told you?

 

Blair Cottrell: So many! Too many to get into. It was really funny because even though he’s in isolation, he’s in isolation with other guys in other cells who can all talk to each other through the vents and the walls.

 

Tim Murdoch: Okay.

 

Blair Cottrell: And so, yeah, he met some very interesting characters. Very funny stories. Probably the funniest thing that I could share without stepping on any toes or upsetting anybody. I didn’t know this. I assumed that when Joel was arrested by the Federal Police in Australia, when he was arrested, he was arrested at a cafe while he was eating breakfast. And because it was just down the road from where his partner lives, I assumed that his partner was at the cafe with him.

 

But that wasn’t the case. He said to his girlfriend, who was due to give birth to their baby the next day, he said:

 

“Babe, I’m going to get breakfast. I’ll see you later!”

 

And he never came back! [chuckling] The day before his girlfriend was due. So she was probably sitting at home thinking:

 

“Has he ditched me? What the fuck?”

 

The timing of that [chuckling] was really ironic and funny. Like when he told the story.

 

[23:40]

 

Tim Murdoch: I remember him getting arrested. I didn’t know it was a restaurant. I didn’t know where it was at. I just remember seeing him getting arrested, the picture. I wonder what he was eating that morning?

 

Blair Cottrell: And I think even the cafe owner made a comment to the media, because the media rushed into the cafe, the breakfast cafe, and asked a bunch of questions and even asked:

 

“What was he eating?”

 

I think he was eating smashed avocado on toast. That was his last meal. That was his last meal! But look like credit where credit’s due. The police actually went, Joel said:

 

“Can you at least tell my girlfriend what’s happened? Because she’s going to think I just ran away!”

 

So [chuckling] the police actually went and knocked on the door and said:

 

“Yo, just so you know, we arrested your boyfriend. That’s why he’s not coming home.”

 

Tim Murdoch: It seemed like the media was there as he was arrested, which is kind of shady. They must have known about it or something. Or did they?

 

Blair Cottrell: I don’t think so. I think the footage of him being arrested comes from police body cam footage. Okay, maybe. I think they all have cameras on their chests and these days it’s part of procedure to actually document high profile arrests and stuff like that. So I think that’s where that footage came from. And the media rushed there after the fact.

 

Tim Murdoch: Fascinating. Okay, did he have any words of advice? Is he full of advice and knowledge now?

 

Blair Cottrell: He’s definitely acknowledging that there’s a shift in what is going to be possible in Australian political discourse in the future. Okay, that’s probably the best advice. He hasn’t given any advice directly, but this is what I’m projecting to you guys as what I think is probably the best advice given the situation. Joel’s acknowledging pretty much openly that the stuff they were doing before, stuff him and the NSN were doing, the kind of activism they were doing, has essentially been made a “hate crime”. It’s illegal now to openly criticize the jewish community is basically illegal in Australia now. You can’t do that.

 

And so you need to approach discourse in a way that appreciates that new reality. And Joel’s acknowledging that, everyone’s acknowledging that’s why the NSN has disbanded, to prevent their members from going to jail for 10 years for being a member of a hate group.

 

So that chapter of the NSN, the way it was, is done. And a new chapter in Australian political discourse is opening. But what that’s going to look like isn’t clear yet because the laws that have been imposed are so extreme, no one’s sure what’s going to be allowed and what’s not. And it’s going to come down to the whim of political bureaucrats.

 

Tim Murdoch: Sounds like a bunch of bullshit, that’s for sure! Let me get to a Superchat because this one’s for you, actually:

 

“Happy to hear of Joel’s release.”

 

Thank you White Bitch Triple Six. What a handle she has, eh? See what we’ve got here. Okay, up here:

 

“Happy to hear of his release. Hope him and his family, …”

 

Let me get this right here:

 

“Hope him and his family are doing well despite these bogus charges. Wondering if Blair does one on one fitness consultations. I would pay for an hour of his fitness wisdom.”

 

Actually, I think you have something going down that particular line. You’re lining up websites and stuff like that and that’s something you do know about, but go ahead.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, thanks for asking. I do provide. That’s what I do to support myself. And I think I’m pretty good at it. I can basically solve your problems in that regard. And I try to offer a lot more than most people do and I’m very pretty passionate about that. You’ll have to DM me on either Telegram or Instagram at the moment because I’m still setting up a more convenient way for contact. And that’s nearly finished.

 

But if you’re keen to get onto it straight away, just send me a DM on Telegram. It’s at Blair Cottrell. Just my full name. Or you can find me through my main channel, which is at Real Blair Cottrell. And that’s what I do. I help people burn fat and build muscle. I’ve been doing it a while.

 

Tim Murdoch: You can also email me White Bitch Triple six, since I know who you are and I will put up his information because I have all of it. I’ll send it back to you in an email if you didn’t get any of that or you need to know how to get a hold of him. I’ll try to hook you two up.

 

But yeah, that’s what he does. But go ahead, finish.

 

Blair Cottrell: That’s fine. I appreciate it, Tim. Cheers. That’s basically. There’s not a lot more to say.

 

But before the show started, you were asking me about Ben Roberts Smith, the veteran who was recently arrested. That’s a big deal in Australia too, guys! Like this is like a huge deal! This guy Ben Robert Smith, if you don’t know, he’s like a 6 foot 7 chad, Special Forces SAS, Australian army veteran who in Afghanistan was basically responsible for rescuing his colleagues, which he was very good at doing. He’s known for storming significant numbers of enemy troops on his own and somehow winning! This guy’s like basically being hailed as a war hero ever since the war in Afghanistan. There’s certain situations where Australian troops were betrayed by members of the local army or police who offered to kill them in exchange for doing a deal with the Taliban at the time. And they were pinned down by enemy fire, they were betrayed, they were murdered in their sleep. And Ben Robert Smith was the guy who hunted those guys down to save any colleagues that had been captured or pinned down.

 

[29:18]

 

Tim Murdoch: He was in some type of anti-terror squad?

 

Blair Cottrell: I think SAS is kind of like a Special Forces or like a more serious, … I don’t know exactly! Tom Sewell would be much better explaining.

 

Tim Murdoch: I can tell you what the problem was in Afghanistan is that there was a continuous issue on the rules of engagement, where someone could fire at you, throw a grenade at you, throw a bomb at you, or do something like that. Then they would make sure the village they were hiding in they would drop the gun, run back to the village. They would basically make sure that they were unarmed at all times because you couldn’t really do anything with an unarmed individual. It became like a police operation for a lot of different guys. But there was various different teams hunting these guys down. Yeah, playing these games. It was very nasty!

 

Blair Cottrell: It was. And that’s the thing. Basically the Australian army was in Afghanistan supposed to be hunting terrorists, terror networks, members of terror cell groups, but they basically had an arm tied behind their back and their feet bound at most cases. Like they couldn’t actually do their job properly because the rules of engagement kept changing. You just described it in a great way. They would like fire on Australian soldiers, then drop their rifles and act like they were just citizens.

 

Tim Murdoch: Well, this was a problem. This is a problem with my friends that were there from America. So no, this is what they were doing. They were feathering or floating the rules of engagement, terrorists were to make sure that:

 

“Well, they can’t kill me because I’m unarmed.”

 

When they just basically killed one of their friends, you know, an hour for something like that they were constantly playing these games where they became a policing operation. You have to go in and fingerprint them and try to prove the crime. It was a fucking mess, it wasn’t a war, basically.

 

Blair Cottrell: Look the big drama is one of our war heroes from that time, from that era, from Afghanistan. The main one who became a bit of an icon was Ben Robert Smith. But there’s this huge, complex investigation that’s taken place behind the scenes, headed up by I think a combination of media and the Australian Federal Police, they’ve like sent people over to Afghanistan to try to get statements to use against their own soldiers. And the name Ben Robert Smith, that’s the one they kept targeting. There was a defamation case initially against media bureaucrats, specifically a journalist named Nick McKenzie who called Ben Robert Smith a war criminal without evidence. So Ben Robert Smith took him to court and said:

 

“That’s slander, I’m not a war criminal, I’ve got all these medals, what the hell?”

 

But the courts ruled in the favor of the media and they said:

 

“Well look, it could be true, so we don’t know the truth, so it’s not slander.”

 

So it’s like it basically just demonstrates that journalists can say whatever they want about anyone in Australia without any real basis. But now, a year or two after that finding, he’s actually been charged with five war crimes. With apparently either shooting people or commanding his comrades to shoot people who weren’t actually soldiers, weren’t Taliban or weren’t connected. That’s the accusation.

 

But this is the thing, guys, whether he’s guilty or not isn’t really what matters. What matters is the ripple effect that this has on our sense of national pride, the trust our soldiers have in each other and in our government and military, the willingness to actually join the military and go fight for the country. All of that gets pole-axed. That gets steamrolled now by the fact that they can’t even feel confident to go and kill their enemies to do what they’re trying to do without being thrown in jail for life for it when they come back. Because that’s a war crime! That’s the kind of feeling that this is created.

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah. When I first heard it, I thought it was like ICC. I thought it was going to be a big international deal. Then I looked and I’m like:

 

“Holy shit, they’re bringing him up on charges inside of Australia!”

 

This is like some kind of shitlib ordeal, where they actually put up billboards and had advertisements over in Afghanistan for testimony and stuff like that you know, they’re like drumming stuff up!

 

It is somewhat unprecedented now, I assume, because a lot of these guys from my experience, aren’t necessarily on our side. In fact, the ones I know I would kind of consider assholes. [chuckling] You know, our societies are heavily degraded. These guys aren’t necessarily hugs and cupcakes or nice individuals. Many of them you could describe as Zogbots to a certain extent. “Rah, rah”, you know, patriots. But they would line us up against the wall as well if ordered by the government. What is his politics like? Is he being targeted for political reasons or is he targeted because he’s just a military icon and they’re trying to degrade a famous White military icon? You know what is the deal? Because he’s on their side.

 

Blair Cottrell: Like most soldiers he probably doesn’t have politics. And even if he does, it doesn’t matter! When you’re a soldier, you don’t have politics. You’re [government] property!

 

Tim Murdoch: Right, true.

 

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Blair Cottrell: So that’s like the way I see it. Even if the charges aren’t political, they might as well be, as I explained just then, because they really have a dramatic negative impact on our sense of pride as Australians and our trust that our army members of the Australian Defence Force have in our government and each other. It just makes people not want to fight for this country and not want to take this government seriously.

 

Tim Murdoch: I didn’t mean to interrupt you, but in America that’s already happened long ago. So I’m taking it, this is like we’ve got upset veterans handing in medals. You guys have never had anything like this before where people are saying:

 

“You know, fuck this! I’m not fighting for this government!”

 

This is like the next stage from Covid Covid was a big trust hammer in Australia. This is another thing that’s really putting the nail in the coffin, so to speak?

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah. Like you said, there’s been really good articles put out there by Noticer News, which is huge source of news. Really good source of news in Australia. Probably the best source we have down here in Australia. And they just did a story I think yesterday or the day before, and war veterans all over the country are handing in their medals in disgust that the government has gone after this guy just for following orders, for being one of our best soldiers.

 

Tim Murdoch: It is years after the fact and you’re putting up advertisement. It’s years after the fact. It’s not like you’re dealing with fresh off Afghanistan and ICC charge or some type of formal investigation. Formal charge that this guy was doing really shitty things or unbecoming of an officer, so on, so forth, etc.

 

Blair Cottrell: Exactly! Why now? What’s the point of this?

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah. Years after the fact doesn’t make any sense.

 

Blair Cottrell: When something like this happens to him, like who benefits? What is Australia getting out of hunting or targeting its own soldiers? For, like, historical war crimes that probably didn’t even happen. And even if they did, where, … Let me ask you this question. Where’s the Taliban? The government there that’s still in place now. Where are they charging their soldiers with war crimes?

 

Tim Murdoch: They don’t give a fuck!

 

Blair Cottrell: Who are they investigating?

 

Tim Murdoch: They don’t have our standards. They don’t have our moral standards.

 

Blair Cottrell: That’s what I’m saying, right? The Talibani government would never drag its own soldiers who did commit war crimes! There’s no doubt about it. It’s well documented. They’ll celebrate them as heroes! They’re doing the opposite. Right. So that just goes to show, …

 

Tim Murdoch: We’ve always had a very high standard for soldiers and soldier behavior. This is just years after the fact. This is Australia advertising they wanted to do this. And they’re doing it inside of Australia. And it all just doesn’t. I mean, hey, maybe he’s a piece of shit, Zogbot? Maybe he said, “kill all Nazis”. Whatever. I don’t know anything about the guy. But he’s being, you know, railroaded, giving the White nationalist treatment, as what I call it, really. And it’s all inside of Australia, and they’re kind of like, okay, you know, he killed a guy and drank out of his prosthetic or something like that. Well, why are they waiting so long if he’s doing all these terrible things?

 

Blair Cottrell: Exactly! It’s like, why now? Who benefits? What’s going on here? What’s the point? Is it really just bureaucratic procedure that took ages to roll around? And if that’s the case, it’s kind of female coded.

 

Because if you’re fighting a war and you’re holding yourself to certain standards of war crimes where you can’t actually even kill your enemies when they’re there, but your enemy’s not doing that, well, it’s no wonder we didn’t win that war. Right? But what was even the point?

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah.

 

Blair Cottrell: I don’t know. But there’s this thing going on right now that’s the new head of the AFP. I think her name’s, [Krissy Barrett] I can’t remember her name. That’s that woman.

 

Tim Murdoch: It’s obviously political. This is the thing. We’re in a heavily degraded society, as I always say, and it affects everyone. And there is a problem of behavior amongst a percentage of Whites, especially in charge, especially in positions of power.

 

But there’s also a huge problem in this case of a White woman who obviously is targeting this guy, you know, would this be happening if it wasn’t for her? I don’t know. Seems like?

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, there’s this weird shift. There’s all these new task forces that are being created in Australia, specifically within the Australian Federal Police. There’s like, Task Force Against Anti-semitism, a task force to Promote Social Cohesion by targeting racism.

 

And all of that’s come about, Tim, in the last six to eight months. This is all really new stuff. So there’s these new like, it’s almost like the AFP was quietly overthrown. I mean, this is just speculation, but it was quietly overthrown.

 

And now it’s in the hands of someone. I don’t know, someone with hostile intentions. Because it’s like it’s being turned into a political police. And it happened very suddenly. It’s weird! I can’t explain it at this stage. All I know is that Australia is changing rapidly! It’s targeting its own citizens, its own veterans, its own people, to the benefit of (((foreign lobby groups))), foreign nations often and historically hostile to Australia.

 

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Tim Murdoch: Yeah, I saw one particular piece from the Daily Mail and the quotes were, … You know, they were analyzing, these particular departments and whatnot were analyzing all his tattoos. And he has a Christian cross tattoo, or we’re calling a crusader tattoo.

 

Blair Cottrell: That was a patch. Yeah, he had a patch. This is Ben Roberts Smith, the soldier who’s been charged. There’s this famous photo of him which was allegedly taken immediately after he just charged in against superior numbers and rescued a bunch of his comrades under heavy fire.

 

And as he’s walking away from that battle, he has a crusader knight’s cross patch, like a red Christian cross on a White shield. But the media in Australia edits the Christian cross out of the photo before they publish it in order not to offend Muslims or offend anyone who might not like that.

 

I mean, that just goes to show where we’re at! If there’s that level of political censorship happening in media, then it’s not unreasonable to assume that he’s being targeted for political reasons. That’s why he’s been accused of war crimes.

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah. They’re targeting Whites across the board, and he’s obviously a symbol and they’re going after him for that particular reason.

 

I mean, there might be something legitimate. I’m not going to say that the guy’s perfect. I don’t know anything about him. He might be evil. [chuckling] There are some badass veterans in the US Army that I wouldn’t want to live near, that’s for sure. So you never know! We don’t know anything about him. But what I think is shitty is that if he’s doing something and it’s that over the top and there’s all these charges, why are they waiting so long, and why are they doing it with inside of Australia, like they’re doing it?

 

So I don’t know. And putting advertisements, putting up advertisements?

 

Blair Cottrell: There’s appeals to Afghanistanis, … There are more Afghanistanis living in Australia now, who have come from Afghanistan recently who have served in the army. Right. Because they have to over. There are more of them living here now than they, than the amount of Australian soldiers that were ever in Afghanistan.

 

So it’s like we have this fifth column and what the government’s doing and the police, they’re putting out advertisements appealing to those people in Australia saying:

 

“Hey, if you have any information about Ben Roberts Smith or any other soldier doing something mean or wrong to you, come and report it to us. And we’ll put it into our investigation.”

 

So it’s mind boggling! It’s like, how is this real? How is this happening?

 

Tim Murdoch: This is within the military, the confines of the military justice system of Australia. Correct? Or is it outside of the bounds of that? Because they have these laws on the books, war crime laws on the books and I don’t even know how old they are. Australia has these laws on the books that they can go after soldiers for war crimes regardless of the international law or anything like that it’s just kind of like internal to Australia. Now there’s always been a court martialing and stuff like that in America and behavior unbecoming of an officer and so on and so forth, et cetera. We have a military court of law here, but I don’t understand how it’s going over into civilian. I guess I don’t really know Australian courts.

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s definitely an Australia internal thing, because it’s the Australian Federal Police that are leading the investigation. But they’re not really confined to the borders of Australia geographically. Like I said, they’ll send cops and investigators over to Afghanistan to get information from former Taliban fighters about Australian soldiers so they can go home and prosecute their own soldiers. I just think we need, regardless of this guy made some mistakes. I don’t care! This guy went to fight a war in another country against the enemy. That’s what he’s trained to do! And we need to stand with our own, even if they do make mistakes sometimes. It was easy to make mistakes in an environment where your enemy isn’t abiding by any specific rules of engagement. I’m not even saying he did make mistakes. I don’t know. I wasn’t there. The cops certainly weren’t there.

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah, I’m not interested in trusting the advice of Afghanis that you’re soliciting, that are known liars, that they’re soliciting advice from. We have to see the evidence. But I just don’t like the way they’re doing this years after the fact. If he’s that much of a bad apple as they’re suggesting, you should have easily done something when he committed these acts because supposedly this is like known stuff and he’s a bad actor and he’s this big asshole and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, fine. Why are you waiting so long? And why are they having to solicit anything? Shouldn’t you have collected evidence right then and court martialed him or whatever? That’s normally what happens.

 

Blair Cottrell: Exactly! But look, guys, this is just what we’re going through down here in Australia.

 

I’m sorry to check out early, but my phone’s about to die. I’m just gonna give you guys the warning before it does. And like, look, we did kind of like a spontaneous drive up to visit Joel and have dinner with him last night. And so that’s why I’m like in disarray. I’d usually go sit with you guys for a bit longer. Yeah, thanks, Tim, for having me on. And thanks for the questions. Maybe in a couple of weeks or whenever you’re free again, we could say may, I could see up Tom Sewell. He could come on and he, Tom Sewell would be excellent at explaining the Ben Robert Smith Australian army situation because he spent a couple of years in battalion as a soldier. He has much more inside knowledge about how things really work.

 

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Tim Murdoch: What blew me away is they’re doing this outside of the military, … Well, I don’t know how Australian military works, but they’re doing it, … I mean this is something that happened in a war, but they’re doing it outside military court of law, which I think is pretty crazy! But and they have their own little war crime, their own little war crime ordeal.

 

But anyways, I appreciate it, Blair, for coming on and being a good sport. Guys, I’m going to let’s see what I’m going to do here. Hang out here a couple minutes and look what’s going on in the chat. I thought he’d be on a couple hours obviously, but his phone ran out and what are you going to do when your phone runs out?

 

But this case is one to watch. It’s definitely a political trial. We’ll have to see what evidence there is and why they waited so long. It all stinks to me. But we do appreciate Blair coming on. His phone ran out and he had the wrong cord.

 

Let me see what you guys are saying here. Yeah, it sounds like Joel’s doing quite well. He’s doing okay. Bo Nilson, thank you very much for the sub. But I’ll stay around a couple minutes. Let me cruise around and see what’s going on and then I’ll let you guys go. And for the weekend I’ll be back on Sunday. Yeah, I’ll get those guys on again soon. I’ll get Tom Sewell on again. I have on Warren Balogh but I’ll try to get on Tom Sewell or I’m trying to think of who else. You know, Tom I think was in the military. So.

 

But anyways, I appreciate you guys tuning in and supporting the show. I will be back Sunday. I was planning on doing a two hour show with Blair but nonetheless these things do happen. We do appreciate him being a good sport and coming on for 45 minutes. I was hoping he’d make it on at least an hour but he got close. But I do appreciate it guys and I guess I’m going to go ahead and let you guys go. You guys have a wonderful Friday evening and Saturday and I’ll be back on Sunday same time, same place, about 5:30 PM. Need we’ll talk about everything going on. I know they’re meeting with, … Let’s go over to Drudge. What’s up? Crafty Booms. I know they’re meeting on, … Trump’s vowing complete decimation of Iran. They’re meeting with Iran tomorrow in Pakistan.

 

Okay, so get this. They’re meeting with Iran in Pakistan and Did Do Nothing Replay, bro:

 

“Catching live. Great show. Thanks for what you do, sir.”

 

Well, thank you for support. We got Crafty Booms. Thank you 14 for the 88. I do appreciate it. I appreciate you guys generosity.

 

But this whole entire Iran situation is not over with. It’s not over with. It might die down for a bit. But why Pakistan? Pakistan arranged the meeting. There’s a few different theories on it. They’re a Muslim country. It’s kind of like they’re not in the war and they arranged the ceasefire. Or maybe Trump, through a back channel, had it. I think what they’re trying to do is stall for a period of time to build up enough forces to try another angle. They’re not going to be happy, they being Israel, is not going to be happy until the IRGC, the current regime in Iran, is gone.

 

So they’re going to keep going at it, and they’re going to obviously stall by time, until they can degrade that regime enough and kill enough of them. What they keep doing, obviously, is killing the elites they’re meeting with. So really, how are you going to meet with them anywhere if you’re killing them other than a situation like this? I mean, Pakistan escorted the jet from Pakistan, when it flew into Pakistan’s airspace. The jet containing the Iranian dignitaries and Iranian authorities, negotiating authorities in Pakistan.

 

I mean, the Israelis just keep on killing. And so Israel is supposed to be backing down in Lebanon, but of course, Israel let loose, what, 100 bombs in 10 minutes, dropped 100 bombs, missiles in 10 minutes and totally destroyed Lebanon. It’s just insanity! So Pakistan was a neutral player and they’re trying to, … There’s probably more explanation than that. But the Iranians can’t go just anywhere and meet just anywhere. They just can’t. Because everywhere they pop up, the Israelis kill them.

 

So, I think what Trump wants to do is build up a force to break them another way or maybe take oil or do something. He’s pulling something! The Iranians so far haven’t trusted anything, though. They don’t trust the Americans at all! Let’s see what Field Marshall has to say:

 

“Thanks for getting our Blair on. Hi, Joel. Thanks. Good luck, everything. Congrats to you and yours. The birth of your first child. Done.”

 

Thank you very much, Field Marshal. I do appreciate it. And when Joel can come on, he’ll be on, that’s for sure. I guess he has to get back on Telegram first and get these cases over with. We’ll see.

 

Yeah, I don’t know. There’s like a long explanation on why they did Pakistan and there’s a few conspiracies about it. But the Iranians. Who are you going to trust if you’re Iranian? So now the negotiating team. The negotiating team is JD Vance and it’s Trump’s son-in-law and it’s the main negotiator. Hold on here.

 

Okay. Daily Signal:

 

“I’ll see Vance to lead the negotiating team.”

 

Yeah, we’ve got like four or five guys in the negotiating team. See here, Steve Witkoff. Yeah. Jared Kushner. They’re both going to be there with J.D. Vance.

 

[52:17]

 

But there’s a fourth as well. I want to say maybe it’s Ambassador to Pakistan. Pakistan has four dignitaries there. Pakistan sets modest goal. Let’s look at Al Jazeera:

 

“Pakistan sets goal. A deal to keep talks going.”

 

They want to keep conversations going. The problem with this particular war so far, one of the reasons that I think the English speaking world elite and sections of Europe really don’t give a shit is that it hurts the BRICS. It really hurts the developing countries. That has become very clear. The developing countries, the BRICS countries are being hurt by the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, which is kind of an interesting thing because Trump doesn’t like the BRICS countries.

 

But one of the side effects is they are hurt by the closure of the Strait of Hormuz and only 15 tankers a day can get through. So the whole entire situation actually hurts the BRICS countries, which I find intriguing. They’re the ones suffering the most.

 

And so that’s probably one of the reasons behind it as well. Pakistan, developing countries. You know, these guys are all like:

 

“We’ve got to stop this war if we can.”

 

The Iranians, supposedly, what they’re saying is they’ve come a long ways in agreeing to various different things, supposedly, but I don’t know. Well, Iran doesn’t want to look like a bad guy internationally. They don’t want to play into the bad guy role. They’re not the aggressor. They’re defending their country, they’re defending their homeland. If Pakistan [Iran] would have shut down the Strait of Hormuz any other time, all hell would have broke loose. The whole entire international community would have came down on Iran and probably removed them somehow some way. But because of the way it happened, No one could really blame Iran. The blame would go to Israel, against Israel in the United States.

 

And Iran has the upper hand and they don’t want to lose that, which is very clever of them. They basically have been playing it very well. They’ve been doing a bang up job in handling themselves so far. I don’t think they’re going to make any mistakes. But they’re going to have to be ready to fight to the death, there’s no doubt about that. Because they’re not going to be happy until they get they get the particular uranium. They don’t want them to have nukes. And Trump wants to send them back to the Stone Age. He’s saying that again. He vows complete decimation and ceasefire warning to Tehran.

 

Now I am guessing he’s saying a lot of this shit just to get them to the table because this is hurting the American economy. But I do know in the back of everyone’s head these guys at the top don’t like the BRICs and they want a way to harm the BRICs. Having the Strait of Hormuz shut down harms the BRICS countries, more than anyone else. You know, the Chinese are prepared, the US is prepared more than most. Europe’s got issues, but the BRICS really has issues, that’s for damn sure!

 

But anyways guys, I’ll be back on Sunday. We’ll talk about it more, 5:30 PM. Thanks you guys for tuning in and I’ll get Blair back on when he can bullshit for a couple hours. White Bitch Triple Six get a hold of me via email if you need Blair’s contact information and he can hook you up with a fitness consulting. That’s what he does. And he’s very good at it.

 

But anyways, cheers guys and thanks for tuning in and supporting the show, as well as all the support out there.

 

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MountainMan1847
1 day ago
Australia for the white man o/ Heil to my Aussie brothers
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xSTRAWMANx
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Ken oath mate
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traceywilliams
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Would’ve loved to hear Blair finish a sentence.
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LiftWaffen
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He is really great at interrupting!

Tristan_Blixt
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you need to listen more and talk less. let blair do the talking
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timmurdock
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20 hours ago
I had lots of questions and only an hour to get them in. Cut me a break or get your own show.
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Correctifier
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Wotan bless me Aussie mates!
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TheWhitenessoftheWhale
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Do they want to humiliate SAS?
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renunciate
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22 hours ago
Ben R Smith is a war hero. His treatment is intentional demoralization.
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BradC1988
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Its great to hear Joel Davis has been released on bail and that he hasn’t changed a bit! Hail White Australia! o/
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KingTut999
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after Joel got released his Go, Send, Go or whatever fundraiser link got nuked. so not sure what happened exactly.

Spaceman69
1 day ago
ben robert smith is being crucified by hes OWN CREW testifying against him because he cross some big lines and deserves all that he is getting. rules of engagement brothaaaaaa. you aint above the law big fellow. imagine how bad things were your own crew ratted you out, and rightly so!!! dont take my word for it, go read the court transcripts for yourself or watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J896i3yrTbQ&t=2s come at me nazis, this is the only place you can exercise your racism these days…. prove me right. prove the hate speech laws right!
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You couldn’t resist squawking buzzwords, could you? “Nazi” “racist”. Both propaganda terms used by communist agitators. Label someone with a negative name to justify persecuting them. GFY.
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Spaceman69
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA are we pretending like joel davis was not a self proclaimed racist nazi LEADER? blaire use to be as well till he got kicked out cause hes missus cucked him with another member of NSN, so he chased the guy down with toma hawks then burned the guys house down- hence went to max security prison.. ohh boy, ya cant make this shat up.. hey whitey.. feel free to white wash the information to your liking… but now its the age of the internet…. that hitler brain wash bullshat aint gonna float. the truth is out there. the internet never forgets
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BradC1988
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Shut the fuck up retard LOL
Spaceman69
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blair sounds funny. like he forgot to take meds or sumthin. joels arrest, that racists try to white wash is that the female politician he had hes nazi possy harass AKA “rhetorically rape”, well she ended up quitting her job and moving house for her families safety because of the degree of online treats and harassment she received. i imagine she also took out intervention order against him and hes nazi friends. so yeah its kinda serious!!! you cannot threaten people like that even “rhetorically” especially a politician. thanks to NSN nazis and racists, Australia has passed laws against hate speech. basically it is now ILLEGAL to be racist in Australia. which i think is freaking awesome! an example to the world. these dumb nazis seem to think their freedom of speech includes insulting people to their hearts desires on the daily! like a aussie magistrate has said, people have the right to go about their daily lives without being subjected to your vile hate filled racism. on behalf of immigrants here in aus, thank you nazis for making racism illegal!!! we couldn’t have done it without ya… now we sit back eat pop corn and watch the overwhelming avalanche of court cases these racist dickheads are about to face.. they make for a perfect example of why these laws are necessary. nazi racism destroys common sense!
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bthor29
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Are you referencing the multi million dollar mansion she inherited then spent $800k renovating using her political influence to assist with council approval?
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Spaceman69
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completely unrelated. next you’ll be talking about affairs and sex scandals… are you trying to justify rhetorically raping her with threats and harassment?!? because she had an opinion about NSN?
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BradC1988
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Joel’s comments were totally justified, retard. However, your presence in a White country has no justification. You and the rest of the unwelcome brown/black hordes contribute nothing but crime to the host country.
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5 hours ago
Again, shut the fuck up you antiWhite piece of shit. Also, you will be going home to your shitty country. Its only a matter of time, shitskin! LOL
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leibekohne
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https://www.noticer.news/joel-davis-released-bail-telegram-post/ Joel is free after 133 days, this zog cowardly act must never be repeated, zog should pay huge compensation, and be replaced. Viva; White international unity p….

GreenGladeAryan
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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Mark Collett: Hello everybody and welcome to Patriotic Weekly Review, episode number 358. We’re live tonight on Odysee, Rumble, DLive and Entropy. Please do share the links wherever you’re watching it. It really helps.

 

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Anyway, we’ve got an amazing guest on the show tonight. I’m lucky enough to have met this man in person. He’s a good friend of mine. We do talk and correspond when we’re not streaming. He not somebody I just message out the blue saying do a stream. We do talk to each other and I really like being in his company actually. He’s one of those people that I’ve met offline, met in the real world and he’s an amazing guy. And he really is the kind of person that you should look up to, you should support because he is the real deal! He’s a true gentleman in the real world as much as he is on stream and he is someone you can look up to. He’s intelligent he keeps himself in good shape, and he helps young men overcome the problems of obesity, inactivity and low testosterone by helping them get in shape, designing them fitness plans. And these things are super important because they help boost people’s confidence, which help them get on in life where they need to be. This guy is a hero of our people, and he’s living in one of the most oppressive nations in the world.

 

Blair, how are you doing, my friend? It’s good to have you back. It’s been a while. I hope you’ve been well.

 

[05:00]

 

Blair Cottrell: I’m doing great, mate. Thanks for the warm welcome, as always, and it’s good to be back. It’s been a little while since our last catch up, our last live catch up, and I think it’s been a few months since I’ve done a live stream as well. The last one I did would have been by myself, but then prior to that, I would regularly stream with my colleague Joel, Joel Davis, who on that point, he’s got a Supreme Court bail hearing today. So Joel’s going for bail today. If you don’t know who Joel is, Joel is a close colleague of mine and an activist known for public demonstrations, public speeches, and streaming down here in Australia. He’s Australian nationalist, very active, very aggressive, and quickly became very popular over the last couple of years. But because of a Telegram post allegedly threatening a politician, Joel’s been in jail. He hasn’t been found guilty of anything, but they’ve held him anyway and they’ve stacked a lot of other charges on him while he’s been in jail, all in relation to, quote, unquote, “hate speech”.

 

So when Mark says, this is one of the most oppressive nations, Australia, my country, is one of the most oppressive nations right now! I’m sure he’s referring to that, among other things. But Joel’s going for bail today and he should get it. I think. I’d be very surprised if the Supreme Court didn’t grant him bail.

 

So if you do know who Joel is and you have supported him, thanks very much. But if you don’t and you’re looking for more information, I’ll send a link to Mark and he can maybe share it with you guys in the comments. But that’s the most pressing part of news for Australia for today.

 

Mark Collett: How’s he holding up? Is he still in good spirits? Because I know that jail affects different people in a different way. And there’s some people who go through the system and they come out of jail and they’re like:

 

“Well, it wasn’t too bad. I met loads of cool people. I’ve got friends, I was popular on the wing.”

 

And there’s other people who have a tough time and they can’t cope with being in there. They get into confrontations. There’s other things that go wrong for them and they just find it very difficult. How is Joel dealing with his time inside?

 

Blair Cottrell: Very well, I think. Especially considering that when he was arrested, his girlfriend was pregnant with his first child. And a few days after he was arrested she was heavily pregnant. Joe she gave birth to their first son. His boy is very healthy. Joel hasn’t actually been able to spend a lot of time with. I think he’s had one visit officially. He’s been in prison for four months and because of his status as a high profile offender, but because of the nature of his offending, because of his politics, basically because of his ideology, Mark, let’s be honest, he’s been classified as a “national security risk or threat” and that means he goes in isolation. He doesn’t get a lot of contact with any people except a select few. He wasn’t even given a Bible or access to a lawyer for a couple of weeks. It took them weeks to get a lawyer back onto his phone list. He’s been kept in pretty low conditions, pretty harsh conditions. But considering all of that, considering that he’s sitting in jail thinking:

 

“God, my girlfriend just had my son and I can’t even hold him.”

 

Considering that he’s holding up pretty well. I’ve spoken to him probably over a dozen times. He isn’t able to call me anymore though. For some reason they just took me off his phone list, and they didn’t explain why, initially, they didn’t explain why. And then they said:

 

“It’s because of your national security classification, you’re not allowed to talk to that person.”

 

But look, I’m hoping that he’s released today. I was hoping to get up because he’s in another state in Australia to me and Australia is a big country. I was hoping to travel up there [from Victoria to NSW] to be there for him today, but I’m not going to be able to make it. But I’m sure a lot of the boys up there will be waiting for him at the front of the Supreme Court. And it’s going to be great to have him out. I’m pretty confident he will get bail. I’ll be really shocked if he doesn’t.

 

If he doesn’t, it just demonstrates that the courts, the judges, could be compromised all the way up to Supreme Court. And if that’s the case, that’s really shocking! And the reason it’s so shocking, …

 

Mark Collett: It wouldn’t shock me.

 

Blair Cottrell: Just so you guys understand the situation, the charge that Joel is being held for is “menacing or harassing someone through a carriage service”, you know, mentioning someone in an online post. It was only one post, okay? It wasn’t actually proven to have caused any harassment or resulted in any damages. That charge is a pretty low tier offence and doesn’t usually result in a term of imprisonment, even when convicted, even when found guilty. It’s got a less than 6.5% rate of imprisonment. That means almost 95% of people who get charged with this never even go to jail. They get bail, they go to court, they might get a fine. That’s it!

 

Joel is being held without being proven guilty, and has been held in a maximum security facility as classified as a national security threat for the last four months. Hasn’t been able to have access to basic rights that other prisoners get access to.

 

And the irony is he was arrested in the same suburb where our worst terror attack in the nation’s history just took place late last year. The Bondi shooting, where a couple of Muslim characters targeted some people on a beach, specifically trying to target jewish people. That terrorist is literally, has literally had access to more rights than Joel. He’s had access to an imam inside the, inside the prison, which is like the you guys probably know this. It’s like our version of a priest. He’s been given a Quran, which is like our version of a Bible. He’s been able to contact friends and family. Joel’s had none of that! Okay? Joel wasn’t given access to a priest. He wasn’t given a Bible. He wasn’t able to call his friends and family. He wasn’t even given access to a lawyer for a while there, all because of his “national security classification”.

 

So that’s the situation. I’m hoping to see him out today, though. He should get bail today.

 

[11:34]

 

Mark Collett: Well, I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t. And I’m not saying that because I want to depress anybody. I’m saying it because it’s just the way I see things. You know, I watch one of my best friends go to jail for stickers that the police said:

 

“Well, the stickers were legal. We are not going to argue the truth of any of them because as far as we can see, they were truthful. But we think they’re intended to stir racial hatred.”

 

Obviously, that’s Sam Melia. I just find that if they want to screw you, they will screw you! And it’s cases like the Rob Rundo case. I mean, Rob Rundo punched a guy on a campus somewhere. Well, okay, punching a guy on a campus, what’s that, three months in jail? You know, a fine. Well, they chased him halfway across the world and deported him on a private jet with a bag over his head, as if he was Osama Bin Laden’s right hand man, for just sticking it on some Leftie at a demo!

 

And I sometimes wonder when we talk about cruelty and police brutality, when the police and the system go for us, they go for us in a way that they would never go for any other group, or have gone for any other group. And I mean, if somebody wants to point out, like there’s another group that have experienced this kind of prejudice, this kind of extreme level of sentencing, this kind of extreme level of persecution, I don’t know, I’ve never heard of it. I mean, you know that there are groups in America, Left-wing groups that committed crimes, horrendous crimes, acts of terrorism. They were all allowed to leave jail and came out and became college and university lecturers and wrote books and became phenomenally wealthy because of their crimes. There are people out there in this country who were serious Muslim terrorists. And there are essentially state funded groups that are there to work out ways to ensure these men get out early. And they all appear to be “reformed”.

 

Whereas with us you might as well just lock us up and throw away the key. And when people like Sam Melia came out of jail, one of the worst things for him is they were like:

 

“Well, you can come out of jail, but you can’t go and live with your family. You’ve got to go and live in a hostel. And you’ve got to be back in the hostel for 7 PM every night. You can’t even playut your kids to bed.”

 

And I sometimes wonder the people behind this, they must be the most soulless, wicked people imaginable! And what they’ve done to Joel is arguably from what you’re saying, I would argue this point is actually worse than what they’ve done to Sam because at least Sam got regular visitation and at least Sam was allowed to move freely in general population, made friends, got a job in prison. It seems with Joel, they’re doing everything they can to break his spirit. I just hope that when he does come out, somehow you guys manage to give him some incredible warm welcome.

 

Blair Cottrell: How is Sam going? Have you been? I didn’t actually catch the stream that you did with him or the show that you just did.

 

Mark Collett: He’s really. He’s doing really well! His book became a number one bestseller on Amazon. He’s doing really well! He’s knocking out the park. He feels really good about everything. You know, obviously he’s been back with his family now for some time. He’s back at protests, he’s back giving speeches. He’s an incredible guy, and I am so pleased that he’s come out of this the other side. And if anything, it’s made him stronger and more sort of dedicated in terms of his “love” for the system. I’m sure that’ll do that for Joel as well, I mean probably Joel better than anyone. How do you think he’ll react when he gets out?

 

Blair Cottrell: I think he’ll be very glad! The first time you go to jail, for whatever reason, I’ve been a long time ago, when I was a young scamp. The first time they release you, the first thing you notice is how green everything is, because you don’t see trees or grass, especially not in Australian prison. Everything’s just concrete and you don’t see the horizon. There’s just this huge concrete wall on the outside of your field of vision.

 

So the size, the scale of society, of the world and how green it is, you start to really take all that in and you appreciate everything. So it’s going to be an experience for him. Joel’s very good at sort of coldly experiencing reality, though. Joel’s good at processing his emotions in such a way where he doesn’t really necessarily express them or allow them to affect his demeanor.

 

[16:14]

 

So if he’s gonna walk out, for example, and there’s going to be, like media cameras there filming him, I’m sure he’ll walk out as a real cool cat that doesn’t really feel much at all! [chuckling] But I miss the guy so much, I’m just really looking forward to seeing him.

 

But in relation to what you said about how hard the authorities go on, people who come from nationalism, nationalist activism, I think what happens, I really think it comes down to human naivety. I wish I could be a fly on the wall, actually, in a meeting like this. I think certain police units that are quite green to this kind of politics and this kind of activism. That is to say they are taken from other fields where they’ve been stationed for a while. So they don’t really know much about characters such as you and me. They haven’t been exposed to this stuff before. They’re put into a room, these coppers, and some political bureaucrat, some police bureaucrat stands there and explains that these guys are “terrorists”! Basically:

 

“They’re a terror threat, they’re extremely dangerous. They have knowledge of all sorts of dangerous stuff, weapons, etc, they’re known to be violence, etc, etc, etc!”

 

So they basically brainwash these naive cops that don’t really know much about us. And the cops go in really hard thinking that they’re doing something great for the community. When really they’re being focused on pretty much the ownly, the last semblance of resistance against the end of society! That’s kind of how I see what we’re doing sometimes the fall of our civilisation. We’re trying to resist that.

 

But I think that’s what happens. It’s just naivety and it’ll continue because speaking of prison, they do the same thing in prison, Mark. They shuffle around the prison guards so that you don’t get the same guards in your unit for any longer than about a month. They put new ones in that you haven’t seen before and then they stay for about a month, maybe six weeks. They move them on. Their new guards come through maybe from another prison, because the prisons are typically run by either the government or private security companies that have a great deal of personnel working across the entire country. Right. So you often don’t spend a lot of time with the same prison officers when you’re in jail. Just as you probably won’t deal with the same police officers very frequently in Australian activism, nationalist activism. And the reason that that revolving door of personnel exists is to keep everyone naive as to the reality of like, what these people are actually doing and to prevent anyone from developing sympathies or friends. Do you understand what I mean?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, I can imagine that it makes it harder as well. So when you’re in jail. I’ve never been in jail, but I can imagine when you’re in jail, things like familiar faces, people that you used to make it feel slightly easier. And Sam did say this to me, he said:

 

“When he was inside, knowing the lads on the wing, knowing the guys that you did your job with.”

 

So one of Sam’s jobs was the cafeteria in the cafeteria. Now, interestingly, he said that basically the pedos made the food, the pedos cooked the food so they were out of the way. Then they would send it up and then him and his team would serve it in the servery to everyone, and then they would clean up afterwards.

 

And one of the great things about being on the servery was not only were you out of your cell, but you’re out of your cell for a long time and working with the same group of lads. And after a while it felt a little bit like it was your group of friends you knew everyone, you got on them. There was a bit of banter, but he said by moving people around, it took that away from them. And it’s almost like a reset.

 

So if you’re getting on really well with everyone in one prison and they move you to another prison, you are starting from scratch again. Everyone’s got to get to know you. Everyone’s like:

 

“What are you in for, mate?”

 

And you have this sort of big reset.

 

And obviously all of this is designed to persecute some more than others, because if they want to make your life slightly easier, they keep you around the same people, they keep you on the same tasks, they allow you to build friendships. If they don’t want you to have any of those things, they keep moving you, they keep you on lockdown, they keep moving you from wing to wing, stop letting you have a consistent job. And that’s all part of the punishment. And then it punishment starts to stray into the territory, almost of torture, because some of these guys aren’t allowed to speak to friends and family.

 

And we’ve had the same thing in the UK where we’ve been speaking to political prisoners. And then all of a sudden the guy stops calling and you get word from someone else that he’s still allowed to call, that he’s not allowed to call you anymore because the state have just updated their lists of people he isn’t allowed to speak to. It’s all very unfair.

 

But one other thing I wanted to ask you is what’s happening with obviously the NSN was forced to close down. What’s happening with that law? Has that law been formally brought in yet? Or is it still sort of in the process of coming in?

 

And obviously I’m going to get Tom Sewell on again at some point to give us an update on the legal case. But since all of that, what’s the feeling from normal Aussies there about freedom of speech? Because to us in the UK, when we were watching this from the outside looking in, it just seemed this huge blow for freedom and huge blow for any nationalist group that even wanted to start a political party.

 

[22:24]

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s a good question, actually. I’m not really sure what’s happening with that law. I’m also not sure what’s happening with the process of challenging that law.

 

But from what I understand, there is currently a some sort of move to try to get the High Court, and this was my understanding of what Thomas Sewell is currently doing. He’s dealing with lawyers behind the scenes. He’s trying to get the High Court in Australia to make an injunction that the, … Let me start from scratch in case people don’t understand what’s happened. After the Bondi terror attack in Australia, that I mentioned earlier, where people were shot on Bondi beach. It’s like a major beach in New South Wales, Australia. It was the worst terror attack in our country’s history. Off the back of that terror attack, the government introduced a new threshold of crime they’re calling “hate crime”. It doesn’t have to be violent crime.

 

Basically, “hate crime” can be something you’re saying on the Internet. It can be an ideology that you’re subscribing to and certain groups with an ideological or religious basis that the government feels is threatening, they can be outlawed as “hate groups”.

 

Basically, it’s a whole new category of crime, and it’s a whole new way for the government in Australia to list so certain groups as terror groups without them actually doing anything related to violence or terrorism. It’s a pretty egregious law. In the actual legislation, it says things like, “no criminal convictions required, no procedural fairness required”.

 

Basically, there will be a bureaucratic process within government, amongst certain government officials that decides who’s allowed to exist as a political protest group, or a political party and who’s not, on the basis of their ideology and perhaps even their personal character. It basically cancels democracy, Mark put it that way. We have new hate crime legislation in Australia which cancels democracy! And it’s being celebrated by the government as a fantastic thing! So far, though, interestingly, they haven’t used it to list the National Socialist Network or Tom Sewell’s White Australia as a hate group.

 

However, while the legislation was being passed, and you kind of know stuff like this is going to pass, even though it shouldn’t pass in any fair, Democratic country, you know it’s going to pass when they introduce it. You just like when you hear the sort of people that are trying to get it through. The Prime Minister supports it. The opposition kind of supports it too. You’re like:

 

“Okay, this is going to pass. Jesus!”

 

So while it was passing, Tom Sewell disbanded the National Socialist Network and White Australia, completely. Well, I think the White Australia Party, the logistics required to register that party still exists, but the registration hasn’t been completed because the Australian Electoral Commission basically hasn’t responded to them. They’re not really sure whether they can register them on the basis of these new laws. That’s my understanding. I could be wrong. I could be getting my facts wrong with the AEC. I’m not sure if a registration has been put forward to the AEC. It was my understanding that it had been done, but I’m not exactly sure at this stage.

 

But what I will say is what’s happening now, my understanding of what’s happening now is that in order for the White Australia Party to be registered so people like Thomas Sewell and Joel Davis and Jacob Hersant and Jack Eltis can contest elections in the future, and you know, various other candidates can pop up, Senate candidates or regional candidates. You know, everyone who’s anyone in Australia in Right-wing activism is considering being involved or was considering being involved with this White Australia Party, … Which I believe is what prompted the government to introduce this hate crime law and rush it through off the back of a terror attack. Because right now there is a giant space for a far-Right presence to really pick up a lot of votes in Australia. There’s a very dissatisfied White Australian working class down here! They just don’t have anyone to vote for.

 

There’s One Nation but it’s just not far-Right enough. People need something a little bit more hardline. And they’re looking for someone to vote for. And the White Australia Party, although it might sound a little crass to people who don’t understand the history of Australia, the policy upon which Australia was founded was called the “White Australia Policy”. So it has roots in Australian history, this stuff. It’s very clever what the boys were doing. But the government introduced, introduced this hate crime legislation and in order to prevent him, all of his boys from going to jail overnight, Tom Sewell publicly disbanded the group.

 

But what he’s doing is trying to get the High Court, he’s working with some lawyers to try to get the High Court to make a special injunction that that hate crime legislation cannot apply to a political party.

 

And I think it’s a reasonable injunction for the High Court to make. I think in order to preserve any semblance of democracy, they would need to make that injunction, because political parties being denied registration or banned and outlawed on the basis of their ideology without having committed a crime, without having encouraged violence and without any procedural fairness or any route of appeal, like that’s not even a democracy! It has no relation to democracy!

 

[28:00]

 

So that’s my understanding of what’s going on. I’m not sure where that’s at. I do talk to Tom pretty regularly. He’s a close friend of mine, but he’s been pretty busy for the last few weeks and I suppose I’ll drop him a line and he’ll give everybody an update as to what’s going on with that. The ideal result, Mark, the ideal result is that the High Court does accept or make an injunction. The High Court does rule that this hate crime legislation cannot be used to ban or wipe out political parties. Can’t apply to political parties. The boys register White Australia, and then all the remaining traditional working Australians have someone to vote for. They have a banner to rally behind. I think that’s what the current government is terrified of and I think that’s why they’ve done what they’ve done with the hate crime legislation, with the police pressure, with the stacks of criminal charges they’ve pretty much slapped on every single member or leading members of White Australia. And I don’t usually get into, I’m pretty fair, I don’t usually weigh in too much on the conspiratorial stuff, but when you look at all the evidence, there’s a strong effort by the existing government, the existing political parties, to gatekeep their community, to gatekeep their class, the political class. They don’t want to allow White Australia a seat at the table because I think they know White Australia could run away with a victory and pretty much seize control of the country if they’re not careful. So a lot is being done to prevent that at a government level.

 

Mark Collett: Well, I’m not sure whether a party like White Australia would sort of storm it at the ballot box. It’s very difficult to do that. And I’ve thought that many times myself. You know, when I was in the BNP, I was expecting us to walk away with it. And there was always a softer option presented at exactly the same time. And that softer option was always the thing that the public decided to vote for, instead of voting for us.

 

But I think what they fear with groups like White Australia is once you are a political party, once you’re on the ballot paper, it gives you a degree of, or over an ear of respectability where you can say:

 

“Look, we are the real deal. We are officially registered.”

 

And at that point you have protections. And I believe that that’s what they were scared of in your case.

 

Because if you had the protections to keep doing what you were doing and you were officially registered, I think it would have been very hard at that point for them to do the things they were doing to.

 

Blair Cottrell: You are right. You are right! You have to understand that I had the same opinion. I thought even if these guys get registered, I don’t think they’ll get a lot of votes. I was thinking it’s going to take them a long time to cement themselves into official political culture because people tend to vote either one way or the other with this is like a two party system that we have in Australia, just like in most countries. And they’re very traditional about that. But the Boomers are traditional about that. There’s this whole new generation even us, we will vote more radically than the Boomers. We don’t want to vote for any major party. You know, we’re in our 30s and 40s, so pretty much anyone that age and below is going to vote for something more radical and is really fed up with what’s going on in the country.

 

And when I saw, August 31st last year, the first ever March for Australia rally, which was a huge phenomenon, and Tom Sewell and the NSN, how should I explain? They acted as sort of a makeshift security that allowed that rally to go ahead. When I saw how regular people reacted to literal Nazis walking into this rally to participate in it, to protect it and to play a leading role in it, I was shocked! I was actually shocked. I didn’t expect to see that. And when people, the way they reacted is they supported them wholeheartedly. They cheered them, they shook their hands, they wanted to get in photos with them.

 

And when I saw interviews later of regular people being asked about Tom Sewell and the guys, like:

 

“What do you think about these guys? Like, isn’t it a problem that there’s Nazis at your rally?”

 

The people shrugged. The people shrugged and said:

 

“Well, they’re against immigration. That’s what the rally’s about. So I don’t care!”

 

And someone would say:

 

“Really you don’t?”

 

Some journalist was trying to bait them, saying:

 

“You don’t care that there’s a Nazi up there speaking right now?”

 

And they’re like:

 

“Nah!”

 

I [chuckling] was like:

 

“Wow, that’s how fed up people are!”

 

People are so fed up that I think they would vote for a White nationalist party in Australia. I think that’s the way, you have to understand the Australian demeanor, the Australian character. We won’t always fight aggressively and in the moment, but I think sticking it to you know, rejecting official bureaucracy in a way that’s like profound, sudden, unexpected, we’re a rebellious spirit down here.

 

And that’s why I think the White Australia Party would actually get a fair few votes. Well, you got to understand, One Nation down here was a party that was a bit of a phenomenon. It kind of broke into the scene of official politics very suddenly, and Pauline Hanson was the leader of that party, still is, and she had a lot of problems back in the day. She even was put in jail for a while for some tax reason or something. But it was all political, whatever. But I feel that that phenomenon could have been repeating with White Australia, which is why in this case, the existing government, the existing political class, they were thinking:

 

“Hey, we’ve seen this before. We’re kind of more schooled in this process than we were the first time, so let’s not let it happen again.”

 

I’m just hoping the High Court makes that ruling so they can participate in official politics.

 

[34:05]

 

Mark Collett: I have a slightly different sort of more grim view of things than you, obviously, but it might be different in Australia and I hope it is. Here in the UK, when push comes to shove, people always take the how can I say it? The softer option. So people in this country are so scared of being called “racist”.

 

But anyway, one of the big things I wanted to talk to you about, and you’ve been talking about this a little bit on your own sort of Telegram page, is the situation that’s unfolding with petrol prices, with food prices, with really the fallout from what’s going on in Iran.

 

Now, I’m not sure what your take is on this, but since my sort of earliest days in nationalism, the old hands in the nationalist movement, the people that I was meeting and talking with, that had been doing, so when I came into things in about the year 2000, the 1970s weren’t that long ago. I was only sort of in my early 20s and there was people who had been in the National Front in their 20s or in their 30s, and now they’re in the BNP. And they were in their sort of 40s or 50s, a lot of life left in them very eager. And they would always sort of cool us down when the younger ones were saying:

 

“This is our time! We’re going to do this, we’re going to smash it!”

 

And they would always say:

 

“Look, it’s not going to be that easy. If we’re going to win the first thing that we need is a situation whereby there is genuine economic hardship.”

 

You know, these guys had seen years of election campaigns, they’d seen sort of decades of nationalists building up through big marches and then getting nowhere and then at the ballot box getting a derisory vote.

 

And one of the things that I was always told was:

 

“Until we get this big economic collapse, until there’s a depression, until, until people can’t afford to turn the heating on and don’t know if they can feed their family anymore, people aren’t going to be dislodged. People aren’t going to decide to vote for an outsider group.”

 

And here we are and we are starting to see genuine hardship. You know, I was traveling past a forecourt the other day which is usually the cheapest in our area. It’s over £1.50 a litre for petrol and nearly £1. 90 a litre for diesel, which is record, record price levels. People won’t be able to afford that. Is this what people need for the final push over the edge? Or do you just think this is going to be another big blip where:

 

“Oh, well, you know, two, three years down the line. Well, remember when it was really bad and Trump took people into Iran and the petrol almost ran out, but here we are and we’ve forgotten about it and we’ve moved on and we’ve got on with life!”

 

Or do you think we are moving to a time where there is going to be genuine hardship? Or maybe this is going to be something that our government seizes upon, to get rid of petrol cars, to ration petrol, to bring in more controls on our lives like they did through Covid? How do you think this is going to play out?

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s only one piece of the puzzle. You have to be ready for a crisis like this. You have to be prepared. You have to have the right kind of manpower and political force to capitalise on it if you are going to use it to your advantage, or if you are if you’re going to use any sort of crisis to your advantage.

 

And that’s why it’s curious that such a strong effort. It’s curious to me, that so much has been done to shut down and White Australia Party, shut down and criminalise them right before this crisis has panned out. Maybe that’s connected, maybe not.

 

But I know that if the White Australia Party did get registered, let’s say late last year when they intended to, before the hate crime legislation was rushed through Parliament, they’d be in a very strong position right now to deconstruct or de-legitimize the existing government and assure people that they could put their faith into them rather than the existing Labour government in Australia. But rather the situation we have instead is that that group has been forced to disband by emergency law changes off the back of a terror attack. This crisis has come into being and Albanese is just ruling Australia with an iron fist. His main political opposition, the Liberal Party, is just in absolute tatters. They can’t even figure out who’s going to lead which state.

 

And so it’s going to be a Labour government in Australia for a while. They’re going to be able to do whatever it is they please, which is another reason Joel’s just being thrown in jail without really any fair due process, like they pretend that there is, but there’s not.

 

[39:08]

 

But look, the petrol prices, the diesel prices are similar in Australia. When you compare the differences in currency for us, we’re looking at about $2.50 a litre for petrol, and that’s shitty 91 petrol, which they don’t even have. When I went to England 18 months ago and caught up with you, Mark, I noticed they don’t even sell 91 through most of England. It’s 95 minimum, I’m pretty sure. And so 91 is a rat grade, rat shit grade of fuel that most of Europe doesn’t even sell. And in Australia that’s $2.50 a litre, just for that. Plus the government has made some ruling here that the sulfur content of fuel can now be higher in order to stretch it out more. So it’s even worse than 91, probably. It’s really probably bad for your car, but they don’t care. They just want to keep everything ticking over as long as they can.

 

Diesel is the real problem. Australia is a huge consumer of diesel. And as a result of diesel being understood as more efficient, which I think it is, it burns a little slower and pound for pound, it gets you a little further. A lot of diesel engines have been sold to people. Diesel cars, just regular SUVs for families. But anyone who thought they were being smart by buying a diesel engine is now really suffering because the price of diesel just recently approached $3.50 per liter, which works out to be about the same as the fuel prices in England, as I said.

 

But look, the government’s come in recently and said:

 

“Hey, we’re going to cut the fuel tax in half to ease the pressure for you guys.”

 

So 50% less tax on fuel for everybody. But the funny thing is it took about a week for that price reduction to come into being, to be implemented by the fuel stations.

 

And by the time a week rolled around, the price had actually increased so much. All the fuel tax cut achieved was actually leveling out prices for a few days. It didn’t really reduce prices very much, maybe by about 15 cents in some regions, but it didn’t really have that much of an impact.

 

But this war, this war, I suppose we’ve got a lot to say about this war. Mark, what do you think about this war? Did you foresee something like this? Is this the time it was supposed to happen? What are you thinking?

 

Mark Collett: Well, I’ve been posting a few mashups on my Telegram of Trump saying he’s going to be the President of peace, he’s going to be the guy that stops the wars, he’s going to be the guy that stops American military interventions. This is going to be a new era. It’s America First. But he has become slavishly pro-Israel to the point where he would do anything they said.

 

Now, with Trump, it’s always hard to kind of see where he’s going to go. So when he went into North Korea, what happened? Well, he came out of North Korea, you know, singing the praises of the North Korean leader, the North Korean establishment, and being best buddies with you know, and that was the end of North Korea as the bad guy. And Trump is very unpredictable in how he behaves. You’re not quite sure what you’re going to get with him, and it’s little things that can throw him off.

 

But with Iran, he seems to have been absolutely doggedly pro-war, but that’s part of a wider shift. And all of a sudden, you know, it started around Venezuela, then he started threatening Colombia, Cuba, Greenland. Now it’s Iran. It almost seems like he’s on a little bit of a rampage. And some of this, I’m not saying that the guy’s a good guy or anything like this, but he’s obviously being led round by the nose by Israel. They have got him into this to a large degree. And even the mainstream media have said that originally Israel was saying:

 

“Look, this is only going to be a week of bombing. We just need your help for maybe three or four days, you know, eight days tops!”

 

And here they are like a month later and the world economy’s grinding to a halt. America has been largely humiliated. There are now dead Americans, and Trump can’t see his way out other than by sending ground troops in. And some of this is obviously Israel, but I’ve spoken about this on other shows and said some of this is actually a result of how isolated Trump is so when you look at Trump now, he’s not in the White House, he’s not in the Pentagon, he’s at Mar a Lago surrounded by fewer and fewer people. The people he was close with, the people that did surround him in the White House, they’re not there anymore. The people who are surrounding him are increasingly of jewish descent, very war hawkish. They’re the ones he’s listening to. And he’s even cut off on social media. So rather than making proper social media posts on X, he posts on Truth Social. So he can immediately ban anybody who says something that he doesn’t agree with. An isolation of that kind is usually very bad for people.

 

Now, I don’t want to go down the line of being like:

 

“Well, the Democrats were so professional because when they did war, they did it from the White House or the Pentagon!”

 

But there is something about doing war from the White House or the Pentagon.

 

And one of the things that shows that Trump is in this state of mental flux, and I spoke about this earlier in the week on Patrick Slattery show, is if you remember when we went to war with Iraq, the lies were quite consistent for a long period:

 

“Weapons of mass destruction, 45 minutes to deploy the missiles. We’ve got to get Saddam Hussein in a box before he puts us in a box. Where’s he going to strike next?”

 

That was consistent. It was a lie, but it was a consistent lie.

 

[45:18]

 

 

Now, what we’ve heard around this war, it changes on a daily basis. Regime change, energy stability, getting rid of the Ayatollah, supporting people in Iran who are protesting, stopping Israel from being wiped off the face of the map, stopping the nuclear weapons. Well, they weren’t going to have a nuclear weapon, but maybe they were going to have one. They were developing one, but they’ve been developing one for 50 years:

 

“Oh, well, we have to get rid of the Ayatollah.”

 

Well, you’ve already said that, but then you said that wasn’t the reason. And you’re looking at Trump and it’s almost schizophrenic.

 

And you can see that in four weeks of Iran, there has been less consistency, more chaos, more lies, more uncertainty and more humiliations for Trump than there was really for Bush and the Americans in the whole of the Iraq war.

 

Now, I know more soldiers, more American soldiers died in the Iraq war, but Bush didn’t claim he was negotiating with the Iraqi leaders, only for them to release a press statement saying:

 

“We’ve not even spoken to this guy. He’s a clown, he’s making it up.”

 

I mean, the world’s looking at him thinking, what are you doing? You know, mainstream newspapers are producing memes or cartoons where Trump’s talking to himself in the mirror. Saying:

 

“These negotiations are going very well indeed!”

 

You know, he looks like a madman. He’s isolated, cut off. There’s reports that he’s had some arguments with Israel, which is insane because he basically works for them. And it’s quite hard to understand where he’ll go next. You know, I wouldn’t be surprised if I woke up in the morning and Trump had said:

 

“It’s over! We’ve proved everything we’ve needed to prove. We’re backing away. They’ve agreed to no more nuclear missiles. I’m the President of peace because I’ve got rid of nukes in the Middle East!”

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if he did that. If I woke up in the morning and 40,000 Marines were headed to Iran for a full on ground invasion, I wouldn’t be surprised about that either because it’s just total chaos! And the people he’s surrounding himself with are the worst of the worst! Pete Hegseth, he’s not a professional. You know, he’s a, I think he was a Fox News analyst. They’re people who are sycophants. And employing sycophants, it might make you feel good, but they’re not the right people. You know, if you say:

 

“Well, who are you going to employ as your doctor? This guy who doesn’t really agree with you on a lot of things, but he’s a trained medical professional or your best mate who watched a couple of episodes of Casualty once?”

 

And he’s like:

 

“Well, I’m your best mate. You know, I have watched a few TV documentaries on surgery, so employ me!”

 

You’re not going to employ your best mate just because he’s your best mate. But Trump, unfortunately, has employed all of his, like, low IQ mates who can’t actually do the job. And it’s not really working out for him, is it?

 

Blair Cottrell: A friend of mine uses a term, “quantum politics”. Basically, it means that in Modern Politics, it’s like everything is happening and not happening at the same time. Trump is invading Iran! He’s not! He is at war with Iran, but he’s also not! He’s going to keep bombing Iran. He’s not! The straits open, the straits closed! It’s like, which do you want to believe? And the Internet is just so overloaded with opposing viewpoints that are representing opposite realities that whatever you want to believe is there for you to believe if you choose to.

 

And I don’t know if that’s a good or bad thing for average people. It’s probably not a good thing. Probably better for everyone to be kept on the same page by a more centralised source of information. But usually when that happens, the centralised source of information is controlled by the wrong people.

 

So, look, I agree with you. I agree with you. I’ve been watching, I’ve been reading too much and watching too much about this conflict between America and Iran. Israel, America and Iran, or just the Middle East, however you want to describe this. I’ve been reading and studying it so much, reading about and studying it so much that it seems to have almost affected my outlook on life generally. I’ve become much more cynical and negative. And I noticed this in myself a few days ago because I was starting to think, what’s even the point of going to work today? And I realised its because my mind is so fixated on these broader worldly matters. This foreign conflict, which isn’t necessarily consequential to me right now!

 

And so I pulled myself up and for the last couple of days, I haven’t been looking into it as much. Because I’m learning so much as this conflict unfolds, it’s like every 30 minutes there’s something new happening that I didn’t understand, I initially don’t understand, and then I begin to understand it. There’s so much I can say about it. I’ll do my best to be concise, give you my opinions.

 

Trump seems to be embarrassed. He’s visibly embarrassed and frustrated. Okay, when he says that Iran is begging to make a deal, clearly that’s not the case. Truth. Maybe people are telling him that and maybe he’s believing it, maybe they’re saying it to make him feel better.

 

But look, hats off to the guy for basically taking over America and just doing whatever he wants, going into other countries, bombing schools, stealing leaders, kidnapping leaders, and starting wars that he just writes off as military operations. They’re not actually wars for legal reasons. The guy has basically taken over America and is now the commander in chief of what is understood to be the most powerful military in the world.*

 

[* No, Trump is a puppet of ZOG and is their PR front man/actor entertaining and befuddling the masses with his antics. Same with all the other jokers that are presented as making decisions – Kat]

 

And I’m sure various statesmen and politicians in the recent, in recent history have dreamt of doing that with America, but never quite got there. They had to go through the proper processes, the Congress and whatever else goes on with the bureaucratic procedures there.

 

But Trump, to use a Churchill expression, seems to have “gripped America by the hair on its head” and is doing whatever he wants with its forces. Look, some people are saying they’re going as far as suggesting that it’s just a proxy war and an excuse to cause economic chaos, to bring about 15 Minute Cities, get rid of meat, get rid of petrol, cars, you know, Agenda 2030, that kind of stuff. And that very much could be the case. But for us mortals down here on the bottom plane, where we unfortunately have to reside, all we can do is speculate about stuff like that.

 

[52:04]

 

However, based on the way things are panned out and based on what I’m hearing, what I’m seeing from all the different sources of information I’m getting on the war, I do feel it will escalate quite sharply over the Easter weekend. That’s this weekend.

 

Basically, if Trump is going to send in ground forces to secure oil infrastructure, which it looks like he might want to do, however, he’s making it seem like he doesn’t need to do that. He’s making it seem like America has plenty of oil:

 

“I don’t even care about the Strait of Hormuz! (He’s saying) if Australia, Europe, England, if you guys want oil, go to the Strait of Hormuz and open it yourself!”

 

It’s almost like a dismissive, passive-aggressive statement too, because I think he feels let down by the lack of support from Europe, from England and Australia as well. I think he expected them to send some war boats and there was going to be some coalition. You know:

 

“The cool guys are going to come in together, the boys are going to come in together. And reopen the strait forcibly and then go into Iran and conquer it together!”

 

I think Trump felt like that he could, with one word and no real process, just summon all the forces of the world to his bidding. And because that didn’t happen, he’s now saying:

 

“Well, screw you guys like I don’t even care about you. If you guys want something, you go take it for yourself. I’m not babysitting you anymore.”

 

So that and other things seem to be demonstrating to me that the world is receding, reverting back into a place that consists more of exclusive empires that are a little more independent and self sufficient, that the world of the future won’t be so interconnected and countries around the world won’t be so dependent on very volatile and unreliable sources, routes of resources.

 

Australia, for example, doesn’t actually logistically need the Strait of Hormuz. It does because it hasn’t got the infrastructure to pump its own oil out of the ground. But we have up to 50 years of oil to refine and provide to keep our country going at its current consumption rate, for about 50 years. And I’m sure we could find ways to stretch that out to make it even longer. But because of globalism and politicians that are just generally unscrupulous, they cave to foreign market planning and manipulation, they’re easily bought off, easily led into traps. Politicians over the last few decades in Australia have literally shut down all of Australia’s oil refineries, have built no infrastructure to pump our own oil out of the ground, and are just buying everything from overseas!

 

But we don’t even have 30 days worth of diesel or petrol stored in this country. So we rely on places or routes of resource, routes like the Strait of Hormuz. We rely on that not because we actually need it, because we do have what we need here in this country, but just because of weak and unscrupulous scrupulous leadership, just corrupt leadership that sells out to the international market and leaves the country completely open to foreign market manipulation. That’s why, like Albanese doesn’t want to say it, the Australian government officials don’t want to say it.

 

But the reason petrol prices, diesel prices are so high, yes, it’s downstream from the war in Iran, but the real reason is because the political class in Australia has left Australia open to this manipulation. These volatile regions in the world, because they’ve refused to make our country self sufficient. They’ve plugged us into the global matrix. Even though it was a very unreliable and bad decision, they plugged us into this globalist system and now Australia is suffering the consequences when we never needed to be plugged in the first place, which is the frustrating thing!

 

But look, you know what the truth is, Mark? The truth is the if Trump is going to send ground forces into Iran, he’s going to have to bomb the shit out of it beforehand. He’s going to have to decimate the Iranian forces to make it more accessible to American troops, because otherwise American troops are going to get smashed!

 

I mean, they’ll win, they’ll eventually win, but they’ll incur heavy losses. And there’s been talk about dropping a nuke on Iran, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they did it. I wouldn’t be surprised. Israel would do it in a heartbeat. Israel’s like, think of it this way, Mark. Trump’s war room. I guarantee you this has happened. Trump’s war room. One AM, one night, someone said:

 

“We could just nuke them!”

 

And then there was some low chuckles around the table. And then the guy who said that made the comment in the first place, he leaned back and as the laughter died down, they all exchanged some looks and he goes:

 

“I’m serious, we could.”

 

And then the response would have been:

 

“What kind of what shape are our nuclear facilities? What shape are they in? Have we tested a nuclear bomb in the last few years? Do they even work? Can someone look into this?”

 

[57:09]

 

 

So that’s what’s happening right now in America, or that probably happened three weeks ago. So and Israel will nuke the shit out of Iran in a heartbeat! They don’t care! They don’t care about anyone who’s not jewish. They’ll nuke the shit out of Iran. And America has dropped an atomic bomb called Little Boy on Japan, after Japan refused to surrender at the end of World War II. So there’s nothing, there’s no humanitarian barrier for them doing this. If it means a faster end of the war and getting rid of Iran as an opponent in the region, then they’d be considering it, that’d be seriously considering it. And I think there’s been open talk about it, too, coming out of your Israel, maybe.

 

But I’m just trying to focus on what it means for us down here in Australia, as I’m sure you’re trying to think about what it means for England. And my gut feeling, because I’ve carried on about this for some time now, my gut feeling is that what this means is there is going to be a reshaping of the world to some extent. This is going to change our lives permanently. It’s going to change the way things roll out.

 

We just had an address to the nation, as I think you guys did too, from Kier Starmer. We had an address to the nation from Anthony Albanese. And Donald Trump also gave an address to the nation regarding the price of fuel and the effect that the war is having on the global economy. But what’s curious is this address to the nation. I don’t know what yours was like, but it was kind of a nothing burger! There was not really much in it. It was just “everyone needs to do their part”, lines like that:

 

“Use less fuel, drive less if you can, and everyone needs to do their part to get us through this difficult time.”

 

So really, there was no point in anything that Albanese said in this address to the nation. But the last time there was an address to the nation by England, Australia and America simultaneously at the same time, that was just prior to the Covid dilemma and the lockdowns.

 

And a lot of people think that we could run dry of fuel to the extent where people are confined to certain regions, driving a petrol car will be viewed as something abhorrent that you shouldn’t be doing because it’s too costly and it’s bad for the environment. Obviously, there’s elitists in the world who aren’t going to waste this opportunity to impose a sort of regime like that there are people in the world who want people to live in a regime like that. And this looks like it could be a very good opportunity to impose something like that. So we’ll see what happens.

 

But I’m just curious to see what’s going to happen over this weekend, this Easter weekend. I feel like it will be, I don’t know, I don’t want to say decisive. I don’t know if there’s anything that can bring about a fast end to the war. Trump doesn’t want to be embarrassed. He’s looking for the least embarrassing exit from the situation, but there’s no way to get out of it without sort of either acknowledging some level of defeat or dropping a nuke and just decimating the out of him. So then he can finally say:

 

“Hey, I told you I won. They said they wanted to do a deal, but then they wouldn’t agree, so we took him out! Fuck them!”

 

You know, something like that. If he’s going to be driven by ego, he could do something like that, and I’m sure Israel would back it. But it’s a terrible thing when something like this happens. I suppose I’m getting a bit softer as I get older and I think about children getting killed. I think about this school that’s being blown up, the girls school, and you think more about that stuff, especially when you’ve got people in the family having children, you Mark have your own children, you get a little bit softer on the humanitarian side of things, despite us being depicted by mainstream media as “gruesome fascists”. You know, it leaves you with a bad feeling when you see the kind of devastation that war like this causes for people that aren’t even involved and don’t want to be involved, for people who are just trying to live their lives. And that’s I suppose that’s always just a consideration in war or it’s a consideration for some people, for some people that are considerate at all!

 

But how do you think it’s going to go? What do you think the point is?

 

[1:01:08]

 

Mark Collett: As I said earlier, there’s so much chaos around this, it’s difficult to ascertain. So the other day Trump was saying:

 

“Well, we’re in this to reopen the Strait of Hormuz.”

 

Well, the Strait of Hormuz was open until you started this! You know, it was your meddling interventionism nonsense, naked aggression that closed the Strait of Hormuz. It wasn’t Iran, it was America’s actions that led to the Strait of Hormuz being closed.

 

But now one of the reasons we’re doing this is for energy stability. Well, we had energy stability until this began, until America started off down this route. And as I said with Trump, I think there was something on the Daily Mail site earlier, Trump had made another. I’ll see if it’s still there. But Trump’s all over the place!

 

So this is one of the things:

 

“Trump reveals he’ll torch NATO in landmark speech tonight as he absolutely threatens to quit disgusting alliance.”

 

So here’s Trump sperging out because no one wants to be involved in the conflict. You know, that’s pretty telling about the mental state he’s in, that he’s not calling meetings.* He isn’t getting people together and saying:

 

“Right, let’s get all the heads of NATO around to discuss this, discuss what we should do.”

 

He’s just saying:

 

“Right, I’m going to make a speech and tell everyone they’re absolute asses in front of the world’s media, because that’s going to make things better!”

 

I think there was something earlier today and I’m looking for it in the news feed, but I can’t find it. And it was about, …

 

[* Trump’s chaotic behaviour is all just theatrics for public consumption as a kind of live stream drama. Real calculated decisions are made behind the ZOG curtain.]

 

Blair Cottrell: He seems to be doubting that much of Europe even has the military might or the will to help anyone in any war.

 

And the problem with a lot of Europe, especially Western Europe, England has the same problem as Australia, is they’re so locked down in a demographic crisis with mass immigration just basically tearing the countries apart, tearing England apart, tearing Australia, dividing Australia, that neither country is in a position to support anyone’s war.

 

I wrote about that in a Telegram post recently. Like, we have such a large Muslim population that’s influential. If Australia openly supported a war against a Muslim country, you’ve got like war on the streets in some suburbs here that are heavily Muslim populated. You’ve got a massively increased threshold of terrorism and possibility of terrorism suddenly. So getting into any foreign war for England or Australia means chaos for us in our streets, in our homes! And I think, like that’s what kind of prevented Australia from supporting Trump’s war more directly.

 

Mark Collett: Well, another headline that was up today:

 

“Trump says Iran’s new leader has asked for a ceasefire and he’s considering it if Hormuz is opened. Britain to host 35 nation talks on reopening the Strait of Hormuz and getting oil and gas flowing again to the lower prices. After Trump’s get your own outburst.”

 

It’s complete chaos. And this is what I mean about the Iraq war. The Iraq war wasn’t a good thing. It wasn’t a just thing. It was a terrible thing! But despite all of those assessments, it was at least something that seemed orderly. And the countries that participated had clear goals and they did things in a way that seemed militarily expedient. And anything could happen next.

 

But I mean, look, it’s like these 15 Minute Cities, okay? Now, people are going to crucify me for saying this, but Britain was full of 15 Minute Cities at one point. Britain was a country where people would bike or walk to the shops in their village because working class people didn’t have motor cars really in vast numbers until the 1980s. Both of my grandparents, both sets of my grandparents never even learnt to drive. They walked to the shops, they biked to the shops. They got their groceries from the local green grocers, the butchers, the bakers. It’s quite recent that every family had two motor cars. That’s something that’s a post 1980s change.

 

Now, if you said to me we were going back to a homogenous White nation where people, rather than using motor cars and going to the supermarket, walk down to the village green grocers to get their vegetables, went to the butchers, went to the bakers to get their goods every week, i’d be far happier with that than I am now with families piling into the car, driving 25 minutes to buy all of their food from a giant solar supermarket that has its foot on the neck of every farmer and supplier, driving down their quality of life and making this country a worse place. It’s a complex thing, and to me I see sort of threats and opportunities here.

 

Now, obviously, 15 Minute Cities are a dirty word, it’s a dirty concept now because everyone’s used to cars. But was Britain a better place when motor car ownership was less common and people use local services and amenities? Or is it better now when we’ve got rid of the trains, the bus services all the local shops and you just travel to out of town retail parks to buy you shopping. And even they’re closing down now because Amazon does it all. You know, if you want community back, you have to deal with community, you have to deal with your local butchers, your bakers, you have to go to the local shops, you have to know everyone in your village. You know, one of the things that atomized us was this idea that we’d all sit our own little cars and drive 30 minutes to get our food. You know, that wasn’t how this country ever was, until very recently.

 

So I’m not against people building local communities again. As for the war and whether that will do that, I doubt it. I should imagine that, if I was a betting man, I always bet on nothing really ever happening and things returning to normal. And if people say:

 

“Well, why do I, why do I bet on that?”

 

I bet on that because I lived through Covid and I saw people locked down in their houses, … Do you know what, this is weird, but there was a woman in my city centre the other week, probably the first I’ve seen in a while still wearing a Covid mask. So there are people still walking around in Covid masks.

 

[1:08:11]

 

But one of the things I’ve got to say is, the strange thing is a lot of people thought things would never go back to normal after Covid. There were a lot of content creators saying, when Covid hits:

 

“This is different, this is the game changer!”

 

But everything went back to normal. So somehow I always just foresee things going back to normal and are still just engaging in this slow decline towards minority status and the end of our people. That’s just how it’s been and how I foresee it. If I was a betting man now, as I said, I could wake up tomorrow morning and Trump’s new [word unclear], and you’re looking at it thinking:

 

“Oh, my God! Why did he do that?”

 

But he could also wake up tomorrow morning and he’s pulled everyone out and gone off in a huff saying:

 

“I’m not helping anyone again, and I’m starting my own version of NATO because I’m a big fat baby!”

 

You know, he is just. He is sort of so chaotic and wild, you honestly don’t know what he’s going to do.

 

And now he’s embroiled in problems at home, too, because it looks as if his anti-birthright citizenship bill, not bill, presidential decree, is going to fall as well at the Supreme Court. So he’s sort of embroiled in failure every which way. And if he seemed to be the president of failure, his own party will turn on him. Because he’s only got one sort of term as president left. He’s only got until the end of this term and then he’s done anyway, because you can’t be a president for three terms. But here’s the issue, Blair. There’s lots of politicians surrounding him that are banking on being a Congressman, or a Senator for many more terms. And if they’re eternally tied to Trump, if he goes down like the Hindenburg, they go down with him!

 

And I think what might restrain him is the fact that these midterms are coming up in November and that’s closer than you think. And there are many people within the Republicans who are getting very worried about their prospects of re-election and potentially a disastrous midterm election ending up leading to a second impeachment.

 

Blair Cottrell: Did things go back to normal after Covid? Do you really feel like they went back to normal the way they were before?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, people forgot about it. People got on with life. No one cares, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Ostensibly. But to me, it feels like post Covid society is like a pretend world that only resembles reality, a pretend world preceding some sort of vicious change. That’s what it feels like. Everyone’s retarded, Mark, and everyone hates each other now. That’s what Covid achieved. There’s so many people out there not working now with medical issues on a disability pension. You go down to the shopping centre in the middle of the week at like 11 o’clock in the morning or 2 o’ clock in the afternoon when everyone would typically be at work and there are so many people there! There are so many cars, you can’t even get a car park. And everyone is fat and bitter! Everyone is fat and bitter!

 

And I just think to myself every time I go out in public:

 

“This can’t go on much longer. Where’s this going? A colony which feeds its sick and it’s weak and puts the worst of itself first. Where’s that going? It’s going into the ground and it’s going into the ground within a generation or two!”

 

So I’m looking at this whole post Covid system and just how sick and embittered everybody is.

 

And in my heart, in my gut, I feel that it’s about to have a big full stop put on it! I don’t know how that’s going to happen, but, …

 

Mark Collett: Don’t you worry, Blair, that, don’t you worry because what you’re saying, I can’t argue with anything you’ve said. Okay. But don’t you worry that all these fat, useless, embittered, permanently sickly people who live off the state are all essentially in some kind of chains. Like I bet I think I know you pretty well. You’re an intelligent guy, but you’re resilient and you’re the kind of guy that wouldn’t like to live off anybody else. And if somebody said to you can live in a gilded cage, or you can be free and go and build a shack over by that watering hole and essentially live a harder life, but have total freedom over what you do, what you say, the way you think. Or you can live in this gilded cage and you can have lots of nice things and free money and computer games and TV, but you have to say the right thing and come out of your house and clap every night for the Covid special workers. I bet you’d go and live by the watering hole, build a shack and live free.

 

But most people wouldn’t!

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, I might initially think:

 

“Well, the nice things sound pretty good. I might try that out.”

 

But then it wouldn’t last very long. Like within 48 hours I’ve already committed a hate crime and done some hate speech without even meaning it. And now I’m forced to go out to the shack, and I’ve probably got the coppers chasing me on my way there.

 

But yeah, I don’t know. What I’m trying to say is I’d be very surprised, I’d be very surprised if some society reshaping didn’t come about as a result of this Iran situation. I’d be very surprised. Because it’s a huge, it’s a huge opportunity, Mark. Even if it hasn’t been planned around this specific incident, even if this is Trump being wild, I think like the Strait of Hormuz being shut effectively is huge! It’s a huge excuse to suddenly shake up the economy and change the way things work. It’s a huge opportunity and I’d be surprised if elitists wasted it. I mean, at the very least it’s going to be used to make a lot of money and that’s already happening for some people in the right place.

 

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Mark Collett: It is! Yeah. And that’s how it’s going to be. But I worry that everything you’ve just described is going to lead our people further into chains. I mean, one thing I’ve noticed today, I was reading something, it said that one in eight children born today will be registered as disabled. That seems insane to me!

 

Blair Cottrell: It seems higher like that doesn’t even seem like it matches what I’m seeing in society. When you say one in eight, it feels more like one in four. And it probably will get there. And what’s this desire people have to be disabled?

 

Mark Collett: Oh, [chuckling] I was gonna say that!

 

Blair Cottrell: Why does it? Yeah, you’re gonna get to this, right? It’s almost like that’s your identity:

 

“I have this disability, I have this mental illness. This is who I am.”

 

Well, there’s two things at play there.

 

First of all, it’s financially incentivised. You get paid to be disabled, you get paid to have a mental illness, you get full-time care and you get to sit at home and do whatever you want on a government pension. When there’s a financial incentive to do something, people try to do it! And people will even lie and say that that’s what I am in order to get the money, in order to get the care, in order to get the benefits.

 

The second thing at play is people aren’t given any strong sense of identity or personal pride. We don’t live in a society that allows national or personal pride to any significant degree.

 

And so people are searching for identity, they’re looking for two things. They’re looking for money, they’re looking for identity. And disabilities, mental health crisis, whatever, mental health issues fill both those voids. They give them something to identify with:

 

“I’m bipolar now, I’m super ADHD depressive disorder. And that sort of is my whole existence.”

 

They’ll write it in their bio, on Instagram or something. That’s who they’re not Australian, they’re not English, they’re “ADHD, bipolar”. That’s their identity.

 

And like I said, they also need money. Everybody needs money and they get that from it as well! So this system is rewarding people and giving people identity for being retarded!

 

And so that’s why everyone is retarded! Because there’s incentive, there’s a reason, it’s very easy to understand. The way to stop that is to do the opposite is to actually incentivise people to be healthy, to take care of themselves is to reward people who are saying no to the immediate benefits and who are putting in the work to actually live a healthier lifestyle and build something to make themselves self sufficient. If the government would stop taking the easy route and just exploiting people’s base nature and selling them bullshit and convincing them that they’re super anxiety depressive disorder, so they could sell them drugs. You know, if there was incentive and reason for people to be healthy and strong, if there was a identity that they could plug into their national identity that they could take pride in, then they wouldn’t be searching for drugs and mental health issues to identify with in the first place. Right?

 

So that’s the essence of the problem. It’s very simple! Like people are doing what they’re paid to do and they’re doing what they feel identity for doing. You know, like this, the sense of identity.

 

Mark Collett: Do you know what, though? We’ll have to the Superchats thing. Not many people are Superchatting tonight, especially on Entropy. I don’t know if there’s a problem there. I’ve heard they’re having problems, or maybe no one wants to donate one or the other. But like it has been very sort of not really anyone has made a donation. Well, we’ve got one.

 

Blair Cottrell: Get some Superchats in, guys! If you’re watching this from Australia, it’s too early in Australia for most people.

 

Mark Collett: Come on, guys! If everyone gave a bloody dollar, they wouldn’t even notice it. But I’d be very happy, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Give some support to Mark Collett, man! Give some support, guys, come on!

 

Mark Collett: But look, I need to see.

 

Blair Cottrell: Open our hearts! Let’s open our hearts and open our wallets too. Ask us a question. Ask me a question. Ask Mark a question. Give us a subject matter and we’ll get into it. Let’s do it!

 

Mark Collett: But look, this is something I want to say. There’s two things I want to say here, Blair. One is I am a bit of a freak! And I want to admit this, right? When I collect computer games, I like the boxes to be in perfect condition. And if the corner of the box gets dented, because I drop it, it upsets me.

 

Now, I wouldn’t say I’m mentally ill, okay? I just like my boxes in good condition. I like everything on the wall in the right order and I like all the boxes to be neat and I like the labels on the games to be perfect.

 

Blair Cottrell: No, no. I think you need to go to a specialist. This sounds like, you need medication, … [chuckling]

 

Mark Collett: This is what I mean, like today, but today a child will be playing in the sand pit and he’d be like, I don’t want to get my, like sand in the joints of my Power Ranger because it’ll ruin it. And somebody like:

 

“Whoa! You’ve got ADHD, kids better get him a diagnosis!”

 

So on one hand, everything today is a mental illness. You like to keep things nice. You’re mentally ill! You don’t want to do some of the things the other kids want to do. You’re mentally ill!

 

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Blair Cottrell: It’s very self centred, isn’t it? Like you would need to be thinking a lot inwardly about yourself. I’ve said that before, that mental illness is like the religion of the self. It’s like:

 

“How can I develop this identity around my own lived experience, my own personal vessel, this vehicle that I’m in? Everything’s about me and my special demeanour and my special way of doing things. Here’s my bottle of special pills. It has my name on the bottle, see, it’s specially for me!”

 

Never mind that 60% of the population is in the exact same frame of mind, living in the exact same bubble, taking the relevant, same drugs. It’s not actually special. You’re just doing what everyone else is doing.

 

Mark Collett: It’s worse. Because the second part of what I was going to say before we do these couple of Superchats, is fundamentally, and this is the crazy thing, the parents are proud of it!

 

So when we were kids, if there was something wrong with you try to overcome what was wrong with you and you didn’t want people to know. So if somebody was ill, or somebody had something wrong with them, or like say you were slightly dyslexic, you would go to special classes, you would get special books, you do special things to try and overcome it, but you won’t wear a big badge saying, “I am dyslexic!”

 

And then there was a thing that came in where if you were dyslexic, you could have an extra 15 minutes in the examination room because you found it harder to understand the question. So you got a little bit more time. But now you might as well get a special hat, a sparkler, a big badge, and everyone wants the big badge!

 

And I’ll tell you this, as a dad who meets other parents, you get parents who come up to you and they boast about the autism, or the things that are wrong with their kids. So you will actually have parents who will come up to you and be like when you know, like kids in the playground talk about which Pokemon they’ve caught. They will talk about their kids mental illnesses, like their Pokemon, like:

 

“Gotta catch them all. This one’s got this one’s got that. He’s neurodivergent!”

 

And they love it!

 

Blair Cottrell: They’re all waiting to talk about themselves and their own kid. They’re not even listening to you. They’re all waiting for their turn to talk about their own problems. Imagine living in a community like that. Here’s the thing is, Mark, I’ve, since I was young, I’ve expressed plenty of qualities of ADHD, as I’m sure you’ve been told. You’ve got the same thing. Mild autism. Everyone’s always said that there’s something wrong with me, but I’m just like, even if there is, it’s just the way I’m wired, man! I’m not getting into it. I’m not going to get some fucking, pardon my language, some diagnosis. I’m not getting someone to tell me to categorize me.

 

Humans love to categorize each other, don’t they, Mark? You know why they do that? Because it helps them think, they understand things. It helps them feel like they’ve got it figured out when they really don’t know shit about anything! Even the, especially the experts. All these categories that we develop for different types of people, whether it’s ADHD or depression or autism or Asperger’s. I’m not saying these things don’t exist. There’s something going on that makes people, just neurologically different, unique. But developing these word based categories to make us think that we understand things is a very arrogant human endeavour. We don’t actually understand what’s going on. And we certainly can’t control it with drugs, but we can make money through drugs. And that’s what it’s all about, guys.

 

But I think this is why we’re talking about this as a problem. But I always like, because I’m a male, Mark’s male, so he probably thinks the same thing. I like to think of solutions. I like to just think about how do we get around this, how do we stop this happening instead of just complaining about it.

 

That’s why I’ve always been in favour of the Church making a comeback, a centralised religious institution. I know that these can become pretty corrupt as well. Or at least that’s what the mainstream media has led us to believe about the Church. Probably for subtle reasons. They’re probably trying to achieve an outcome where the Church didn’t have as much power anymore because it was a problem. It was a problem for selling junk to people, for selling drugs to people, and for bringing mass amounts of foreigners into your country. The church probably would have stood against that in its old form. So getting rid of the Church was a necessary step for whatever this excuse of a country we have now is.

 

But see, when you have a central church that everyone goes to on Sunday, when you have mass or something like that, when you have a religious structure that everyone kind of links into everyone’s Christian, whatever it might be, it doesn’t really matter what it is, just as long as everybody agrees that that’s the Church of the nation. Well then when someone else comes into your country and says:

 

“Bipolar disorder, here’s my Medicine for the cure!”

 

You say:

 

“No, no, like we don’t do that here. We go to church on Sunday, we talk to the priest if we have a problem, we don’t take drugs here. We don’t do this ADHD thing. Sorry mate!”

 

So you reject outside identities and efforts to try to sell shit, whether it’s pornography, the Church would be against that, whether it’s drugs, some other identifying factor that some grifter, some (((merchant))) is trying to sell to you’ll reject it on the basis that you already have a strong identity, a national religious identity.

 

[1:25:02]

 

And I think that’s what the benefit of having a strong central church was in the beginning. It basically makes people necessarily stubborn. You might say that people being closed minded as a result of being exposed to too much religious dogma is a bad thing! I would argue against that. I would say it’s a good thing. Because look what open mindedness has done to our country. When people don’t have that closed minded, “this is my country, this is my church” kind of mentality, then they just become a worm of consumption that accepts and consumes whatever it is that some merchant is trying to sell to them. Suddenly everything and everything just swamps that nation and it just becomes a place for merchants to decimate and exploit.

 

A strong church, I think would have, I think a big comeback from the Church would prevent that. I just don’t know if it’s possible. The ideal situation for a church to make a comeback actually, or the Church to make a comeback is people suffering, people really suffering. Because when you’re suffering, when you’ve actually got nothing left and you’re in a really bad place, that’s when you’ll find yourself hoping that God’s real and hoping that maybe he’ll listen.

 

Now I’m not even religious, guys. I’m not trying to shill Christianity, I’m not trying to shill a religion. I’m just saying that going or reverting back to a time, to a set of circumstances where we had a little bit more faith in something central and something unifying would protect us psychologically from the sort of bullshit ideologies and drugs and mental health crap that is so effectively sold to people today.

 

Mark Collett: Well, look, really quickly before we do the Superchats, something you said there. Something is something I said to Adam Green. Me and Adam Green had a bit of a debate the other week and by the way, David Duke has agreed to debate Adam Green. So we’re sorting that out. They’re gonna have a debate about Christianity, whether it was good for the West or bad for the West. Duke thinks Christianity was good. It was a uniting cause. It helped, you know, know Europe beat back Muslim invasions. Adam Green thinks it’s basically the biggest evil in the West. That debate’s going to happen.

 

But one thing I’ll ask you is “struggle”. You see, I actually like struggle and I think as a man without struggle, you are less of a man. And you go to the gym and I go to the gym, I don’t know whether you feel this way, but do you ever go to the gym and you work a muscle in a way that you haven’t worked it for some time, and the day or so later, you feel sore, but the soreness is kind of a constant reminder that you pushed your limits, that you sort of went to a new level.

 

And I actually like that! I like that sort of feeling that, like my body is reacting to the pressures I put upon it. And part of sort of improving is fighting through that discomfort. That’s why I liked running. I like that challenge, that struggle. And I think when you remove struggle from the life, especially of men, not so much women, but especially men, men without struggle do become worthless slobs!

 

And I think the comfort that we have been given by our masters, the bread and circuses, have a lot to answer for and why we are now weak.

 

Blair Cottrell: That soreness you’re talking about, the soreness in the muscles after having done some vigorous exercise, that is a signal that that muscle is regenerating. The cells in that region are regenerating. In order for those cells in the muscle to regenerate, they need a good amount of blood flow and a good amount of oxygen and a good amount of nutrients to come from the GI tract, the gut.

 

And that means the gut needs to work more efficiently in order to feed and repair the muscle. And so the gut does actually start to process and absorb nutrients at a superior rate than it would have if the muscle was not used.

 

What I’m saying is pretty simple to understand. If we’re not regenerating, then we’re just getting weaker, we’re dying. If you’re not suffering to some degree, it’s called the “fitness effect”, and it actually has been applied in a social, political sense by an author named David Kilcullen, who’s someone that I’ve read quite a bit. I actually brought him up in the speech that I gave at the conference you hosted. Not the last one, but the one before in the October conference in England.

 

It’s called the fitness effect, basically, and with the right amount of pressure, the organism we’re talking about, and here we’re talking about individual people, your biology. Your body gets stronger, it develops itself, and you just become stronger. Everything works better in your body because it has to. You’re creating a reason for your body to work more efficiently, so the experience of life becomes better, because the more efficiently the body’s working, the happier you’re going to feel, the better mood you’re going to be in the better your gut’s working, the better you’re going to feel. It’s very simple.

 

That’s why I don’t understand how people don’t stress their muscles to the bare minimum necessary degree each week, which I think is minimum three times per week in the gym for about an hour each time. You know, hitting things like squat, overhead press, deadlift, leg press, major compound movements that are going to stress your body and your central nervous system in a way that your body has to adapt, it’s forced to regenerate and therefore everything starts to turn over more efficiently because it has to in order to regenerate the muscle effectively.

 

[1:30:53]

 

 

So muscle mass actually is one of the, scientifically, one of the greatest determiners of longevity. Meaning generally speaking, the more muscle you have, the longer you live. And that ties exactly into what I’m saying, because in order for your body to retain, to build and retain more muscle, your cellular regeneration process, your gut, your brain, your nervous system, everything has to fire optimally in order to make that happen. And if you’re putting your body under the necessary stress, the bare minimum three times a week in the gym, and you’re giving your body a reason to have that extra muscle mass, then everything in your body has the reason to operate efficiently. It’s like a machine getting greased up, so to speak. But it’s much more complex really because of our turnover, our cell regeneration system.

 

Yeah, if you’re not training, you’re dying. You’re not getting stronger, you’re getting weaker. There’s no average existence where you can just sit at and stay healthy. If you just do nothing, you just get fatter and sicker and sadder and weaker. Gradually you always have to be exposed to that bare minimum level of stress, which in my view is three times a week, three hours in the gym doing the major compound exercises relatively heavy.

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you. Well, let’s do these Superchats. Thank you to everyone who has Superchatted. There’s still plenty of time if you want to. We’ve had one from Open Borders for Israel for $5. Thank you so much! He said:

 

“Hail Blair. Would be good to get him on for a PA Aussie movie night, maybe. Rabbit Proof Fence?”

 

Yeah, we do movie reviews once a month and you’ve not actually been a guest. I don’t know if you’re a fan of movies, but if you chose a movie, we’d be happy to review it.

 

Blair Cottrell: Hang on, hang on, you guys you do movie reviews personally?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Blair Cottrell: That’d be awesome! I’ve done one for. What was it? Guide to Kulture? Do you know Guide to Kulture?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, I do. I’ve done them. I’ve done every one of his film festivals all. So yeah, I know. We literally do a movie every month. We must have done probably about 50 or 60 movies now.

 

Blair Cottrell: Maybe my review wasn’t so good, but I’ll try to find it. I did a review on Good Time with Robert Pattinson. Have you seen that?

 

Mark Collett: No, I’ve not even heard of that, to be honest.

 

Blair Cottrell: I reckon, write that down, Mark, because I reckon, and you guys in the audience, too. It’s a very underrated film. It’s a very simple plot. It just starts with a bank robbery, but it’s set in modern America. And I find it very gritty and realistic! And I find the main character very interesting to psychoanalyze. He’s clearly mildly sociopathic, but he’s intelligent and it’s entertaining and fascinating to see how he deals with the degrading circumstances after this bank robbery. So good time with Robert Pattinson, actually I really rate Robert Pattinson as an actor.

 

Mark Collett: He’s a great actor. He did a version of Batman. He was really good at that.

 

Blair Cottrell: He was, but he’s also talented. He’s the kind of guy who can do a lot. He’s a musician and he can play different roles. He doesn’t always play the same role over and over again! He can play a different character, which I think is a good indication of talent in acting.

 

Mark Collett: I agree. And as I said, I thought he was going to be terrible as a new Batman. And when I saw him as Batman man, I thought it was a really enjoyable film. And I was actually looking forward to the sequel. I’m not a guy that usually looks forward to sequels. But, yeah, he was good. He was very good.

 

So if you want to choose a movie, Blair, you’d be welcome on any month. All you have to do, choose one. And we will get you booked.

 

Blair Cottrell: Is it always movies or can it be shows? Does it have to be a film?

 

Mark Collett: We’ll usually do a film. I’ve just looked it up. We’ve reviewed 57 films. It’s actually 59 because some have been double features where we reviewed two films together that are both linked. So we did Zulu and Zulu Dawn and we’ve also done several comparisons where we’ve done the original Snow White and the modern Snow White or we’ve done the original Running Man and the new Running Man.

 

Blair Cottrell: I can imagine there’s a breakdown of modern propaganda.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. Two hours long. This little panel who are regular us. But look, pick a film, tell me when you’re free, and we’ll get you booked in. It’d be very good. Purple Sage gave $10. Thank you. And he said:

 

“Thank you both for all you do.”

 

Well, thank you so much, my friend. It’s very kind of you to donate. Kenny Smith gave $10. Thank [chuckling] you so much:

 

“Sir, I’ll be fine in any food shortages thanks to my fat stores. All those kebabs will pay off!”

 

Thank [chuckling] you. Full Camelot gave $3. Thank you so much! And he said:

 

“Well, Blair, Victoria is the Garden State. Absolutely! I had a ZD Fairlane V8 dual fuel. And regularly travelled south to volcanic bush and rock beach, camping alone for days. Return to society refreshed.”

 

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Blair Cottrell: My dad had a Fairlane. I remember when I was 18, I just got my driver’s licence a couple of weeks prior. And I asked my dad if I could borrow the car. I had this date organised with a girl, and my dad said:

 

“No, because you’re not on the insurance, if you crash it, then., …”

 

And I said:

 

Ahh! Anyhow he had two cars, so he went out somewhere. So I took it anyway. Of course, I’m 18! I’m gonna take his car anyway. Took his car, went on the date, came back. When I came back, he was home. I got punched in the face for it! So, yeah, it was a tough gig being 18.

 

 

Mark Collett: Do you know what? I always find it really strange because you meet people that have had a fight with their dad and have been punched in the face by their dad. And have fought back, and then you meet other guys and you say, like:

 

“Have you ever punched your dad in the face?”

 

And they say:

 

“No, no, me and my dad have never had that.”

 

Blair Cottrell: I wouldn’t do it. No, no, I wouldn’t do it! My dad’s the only person I wouldn’t hit back. My dad’s only hit me once, actually. It was this car thing. I don’t know why I think it was, …

 

Mark Collett: You’ve never actually had a, … Have you ever had a fight with your dad? So you’ve never actually had a fight?

 

Blair Cottrell: No, no, never! No. And my dad’s the only bloke that if he hit me, I’ll just stand there and take it. I wouldn’t hit him back. Never!

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. I don’t have that level of restraint. Me and my dad when I was younger we have had sort of physical altercations because I was quite wild at times and you know, it’s not something I’m sort of like mega proud of, but as a young guy I find it kind of weird when you meet people that have never had any kind of altercation with their dad. I could never understand that. Because I often did things where I did deserve a sound whacking. You know, I could be quite, I could do stupid things but then be quite sort of unrepentant or cheeky!

 

Blair Cottrell: I got a funny story, I got a small funny story I can interject with. Like my dad and I definitely had some rows. Is that how you say it? Rose or rows? Yeah. We had some, we had some disagreements and, but we didn’t want to hurt each other because my dad, his father, my grandfather, he used to beat the shit out of my dad. So my dad was against hitting me. He didn’t want to do that to his son.

 

But you know, maybe he needed to sometimes because I was a real little shit! But one day he just broke my computer. He broke my computer in a rage because I can’t remember the reason I hadn’t done something. And he was so frustrated that I hadn’t done it that he saw my computer sitting there and I had World of Warcraft sitting there just idle. I’d been playing it. And he just broke it. I remember he threw it across the room and it broke.

 

So then I went and took his big sliding saw, expensive Makita sliding saw out of his shed that next day and I took it down to The Pawnbroker and I swapped it for a new computer! I did a deal with The Pawnbroker! And then he noticed a week later that his sliding saw was gone. So he came in and sort of, he said:

 

“Where’s my sliding saw?”

 

And I said:

 

“Well you broke my computer and you didn’t pay for it. So it had to be replaced, dad. That’s the way things work!”

 

So you know what I mean? There was, that’s the sort of run-ins that I’d have with my dad.

 

 

Mark Collett: Well, I can tell you this. I have had physical altercations with my dad and I have fought back as a young guy but I would never have been bold enough to have taken something my father’s and sell it because he would have, I think the thrashing at that point, I wouldn’t have I. As a young man, I never got the better of my dad. I mean, now things are different. Obviously he’s like an older man. So like if he got mad with me, I’m not gonna start going give him a good kicking.

 

But as a kid, I did get up to things that I shouldn’t have done and there was a couple of situations where he gave me really sound advice, and I didn’t take it, to sort of my detriment. And it was one of those things where I probably should have listened to him a little bit more when I was younger and being sort of, … But when you’re young, your head-strong, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Did your dad try to get you to buy property early?

 

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Mark Collett: No, my dad, my dad sort of, it’s kind of strange because my dad was obviously a big part of my life, but I used to talk to my mom more about decisions that I was going to make. And it was one of those things where I was very close to my mum and obviously she passed away a few years and sort of left a big hole in my life. But I was brought up in a world where mum was the stay at home mum. Your dad was out at work nearly all the time. You spent very little time with your dad as a kid, but you spent a lot of time with your mum. And because of that, I was kind of super close with her and my mum was. My mum and dad were both really political, but my mum was sort of super uber political! So she loved talking about politics, like constantly. And that was something where me and her could speak for like an hour or so on the phone about the way the world was, how things were.

 

And so it’s not that I’m not close with my dad, but I was just super close with my mum. So when it came to that kind of advice, I take more time talking things through with my mum than my dad, to be honest. Who were you sort of closer with? Was it your dad who was the advice giver or your mom?

 

Blair Cottrell: My dad was a very quiet, hard working man. He was just always at work. His only day off he would take me to either track and field athletics or football when I was a kid and he would volunteer as an umpire. My dad was the kind of guy who showed affection, he showed his dedication to you through action. He didn’t really say like, I’ve never hugged my dad, never in my life. That we just didn’t have that physical relationship at all! But he would do a lot for me. He would spend his only day off taking me to football and volunteering to help out, that kind of stuff. So he was just the strong silent type sort of thing.

 

And I think he felt like showing me any affection would perhaps portray weakness. And he thought that that would be wrong because he was always trying to demonstrate himself as a strong father, you know, someone to aspire to. And I appreciate that. I understand it. Probably I’ll be much the same with my own son. But we’ll move on from the dad subject in a sec. What was the last thing I was gonna say? My dad used to own property and he used to tell me that I need to buy property, even if it’s a block of land. He said:

 

“Just buy something!”

 

Because I was making a lot of money when I was young, because thanks to my dad as well, he got me various jobs with big building companies. I was a supervisor for a building company when I was only 18, somehow. All the other supervisors were like 50 year old builders and carpenters. And here I am playing a supervisory role thanks to my dad. My dad’s like:

 

“Buy property, mate! Take some of this money you make him and put it into property. Your future self will thank you for it.”

 

But because my dad was always so stressed and broke, I thought:

 

“The old prick just wants me to be miserable like him. He’s just pissed off that I’ve got money, so I’m not going to listen to him!”

 

And I’m thinking to myself:

 

“You idiot! You idiot!”

 

If I did buy property when I was young, I probably, I’d be in a position right now where I wouldn’t even have to work full-time. But because I didn’t listen. Yeah, but that’s just classic hindsight.

 

Mark Collett: Oh, my dad he’s a very good man and he is a nationalist, but sort of his sort of era of man was a man that didn’t spend a huge amount of time with the family. You spent time with him on a Sunday, maybe a little bit on a Saturday. But dads of that era were always at work, they were always doing everything and they showed their love for their family by providing. This is an odd thing because today everyone’s sort of programmed that your dad shows love for you with loads of hugs and doing everything with you. But back then the dads were and more or less every dad, all my friends dads were the same. They were always out at work, they were up super early, they went out to work, they brought home, …

 

Blair Cottrell: You respected him, right? You wouldn’t act up around, because you respected him. And you kind of feed him a little bit too, in a healthy way. When it was just mom, you knew you could get away with a bit more. You knew you could act up a little bit, you could eat a little bit extra if you could sneak stuff out of the cupboard, whatever. But when dad was around, you didn’t act up because you didn’t give your dad any shit! You respected your dad.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. And not only that, but because you knew how hard your dad worked when he was in the house you wouldn’t be raucous. Like, if it was just your mum around and you had your friends over or you were fighting with your sister. You knew that was kind of all right because Mum sort of put up with that because she was there to sort of oversee you as kids and that was her day job. So:

 

“Sod it! I’m gonna make noise and be a bit crazy!”

 

But if your dad came in and had a long day at work, there was no jumping on the sofa. There was no hooting and hollering and chucking things about. You were respectful. You cleaned up your toys. You did your best because you knew that dad had., … And your mom would be like:

 

“Don’t you be doing this when your dad comes home. Because he’s been out since, you know, 7:30 this morning. He’s had a long day and when he comes in, he doesn’t want you to be playing hell. He wants to come into a respectful family.”

 

And I think these things are largely gone now.

 

[1:45:23]

 

Blair Cottrell: That dynamic was essential from my upbringing, really. I think. Like, my mom could say a thousand words to me and get no result, trying to get me to do something, but my dad just had to speak once, just say a few words, and I would do it straight away.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Blair Cottrell: And I fear the person I might have become if I didn’t have my dad in my life. I probably would have become a much more relentless criminal. Because I feared my dad that kept me, it had some sort of influence over me, which was positive.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, I agree. Similar with me. The Resident Baker gave $20. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Evening, Mark. I was going to give some money to charity for some new jewish ambulances. However, I’ve reconsidered because I don’t really like jewish ambulances and you’re a much more worthy cause.”

 

Thank you so much! [chuckling] I’ve got a video coming out at the weekend about the jewish ambulances, so look out for that. That’s the end of the Entropy Superchats. We’re going to go over to Rumble now.

 

Come on, guys, the Entropy fans. Where were you tonight? The bearded Indian gave $8. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Blair, have you ever brought bread from a man in Brussels who was 6 foot 4 and full of muscles, big love, praying for Joel and the political prisoners.”

 

I get that. I love that song. And you could be the man in Brussels who was also a man from down under, if you listen to the song.

 

Blair Cottrell: I think there’s a sad story behind that song, actually. I won’t tell it because I don’t know it, but I’m pretty sure that song, or maybe it’s not that song. But there’s a stereotypical iconic Australian song that was actually stolen from someone and they lost the rights to it and stuff like that. But anyway, I understand the pun, so I appreciate it.

 

Mark Collett: One of the sad things about Men at Work, the guys who did it, they all sort of fell out with each other. And the original lineup of Men at Work, they’re not all sort of still together. And I don’t think they actually speak to each other, which is really sad! So now there is only one member of Men at Work left, which is the main guy, Colin Hay. But all of the other guys and the ones who came up with the iconic songs, they’ve all left. And I find that quite sad because it’d be nice if after all this time, they were still playing gigs together. But no, it’s just they, …

 

Blair Cottrell: To me, it’s always weird how people fall out. I’ve never fully fallen out with anyone. You know, people have done things upset me and haven’t done the right thing by me always. But I still like to think about the good times I have with those people. So I never really fall out with anyone. Like when I call someone my friend, it’s like a lifelong thing for me. But I suppose, you know, things happen to some people that are bad enough that bridges are burned. I just try not to burn bridges, personally,

 

Mark Collett: I think in the musical world it’s a common thing because I think you’re stuck together with people. When you’re touring, you’re always with them. And then often people have different ideas of where they want their band or their group to go. And I think it’s a very different world. I think that’s a commonplace thing. Bod Nielsen gave three gifted subscriptions. Thank you so much! If you get a gifted subscript subscription, please do keep it up.

 

Blair Cottrell: What is a gifted subscription? Is that like a, …

 

Mark Collett: On Rumble you can gift subscriptions that anyone can claim and then they can keep them going if they want. So the idea is that you get paid subscribers. So say I had 200 paid subscribers at $5 a month from each one. That means you’re gonna get a thousand dollars American every month less the processing fee. And it’s just obviously everyone’s dream is to get to the point where as a content creator, rather than having to sort of hope and pray for Superchats, you end up getting the other stuff where people just gift.

 

And that’s the key thing. Like if you’re on some kind of thing where everyone, a thousand of your supporters gave you $5 a month at the beginning of every month, you don’t have to worry and you don’t have to do Superchats, you know what I mean? It’s just one of the sort of things of how it works, basically. But thank you for giving the gifted subs and if you do get a gifted subs, please maintain it because it means a lot to me. So thank you so much!

 

Serena JB gave $8. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Love to all our fellow nationalists in Australia, especially to Joel.”

 

Thank you very much. Purple sage gave $10 and thank you and said:

 

“Thank you both for all you do.”

 

Well, thank you so much! Einsky gave $5. Thank you so much! He said:

 

“Hail to you, Mark and Blair. Powerful show and powerful takes. Struggle is the father of all things.”

 

Well, I agree. Hazelnut 3,000 gave $10. Thank you and said:

 

“Thank you. Mark and Blair.”

 

Do you know, this is just a little an aside here, but I remember reading about the butterfly. And butterflies struggle coming out of their cocoon, but if you cut the cocoon open and you help the butterfly out, it basically retards the butterfly and it can’t then operate. The butterfly needs that struggle in order to get out. Conversely, it’s different for chickens coming out of eggs. If you are hatching chickens and you don’t wet the eggs and soften them, the chickens actually do need a hand getting out of the eggs, they die.

 

[1:50:45]

 

 

Blair Cottrell: There’s so much balance to be considered in these things. And I think the female role in this process is to empathize with the creature in the immediate sense and the masculine role is to kind of empathize with the broader implications of what you’re doing in the moment. So women will always, or the more feminine creatures or people, they’ll always try to help the person in the moment, make the person feel good in the moment. And that’s the way feminine empathy is expressed.

 

Whereas, whereas male empathy will be allow whatever it is to figure it out for itself and interfere not so much in the moment in order that things are stronger and more developed in a broader sense. More of a, what do you call it, survival of the fittest type thing. That’s like mass masculine altruism, you might say, whereas the feminine altruism is much more immediate.

 

But I think having a balance of those things, because they’re both very natural expressions, aren’t they? It’s like one isn’t bad or worse than the other. I think when you go one way too far, like modern society has gone way too far to the feminine, well then you end up with a weak and sickly society because everyone gets cared for in the moment too much. They get what they want in the moment, what they feel like, they get validated too much for not really doing anything of value.

 

So I think in future, as Tom Sewell would say, when we take this country, when we take control, when we take power, we need to strike a really appropriate balance between those two forces and we need to maintain it and really prevent things from going too far one way or the other.

 

Mark Collett: Thank you. The Bearded Indian gave $6. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“The Trump or the police aren’t victims because they’re being misled. They are self serving pigs who’ll step on anyone to keep their snout in the trough. They know exactly what they’re doing.”

 

Well, thank you so much! Igs 22, gave $5. Thank you so much! And he said:

 

“I stayed with an Italian family in Lima, Peru. Both sons, 40, live at home with partners. They pool resources and own four successful businesses. Should we teach our kids to build wealth as a family unit?”

 

Well, that’s a very interesting question. My answer to that would be, I would love my children to grow up near me and have a relationship with them longer and later in life. I moved away from where my parents are, but I do also think it’s important for people to have space.

 

So for example if my daughter met a nice guy and they wanted to settle down, I would want to help them get their own house. I’d want to help them settle, settle down so they have their own space. Because I don’t think you can truly flourish as a young couple if you’re living under the roof of one of your parents. So I do understand that people in some cultures have these large family gatherings under one roof. But I think as a young couple, it’s nice to have your own space and to be able to branch out a little bit. It’s nice to have the parents there and the extended family close, but too close, I think can be stifling. What do you think, Blair?

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, you don’t want to live under the same roof as like too many different families, extended family, friends. Living under the same roof with friends is actually the fastest way to ruin relationships with friends because you get to see what your friend is actually like most of the time. Like cracks start to appear, laziness, stuff like that. And it’s really problematic for ongoing friendships and even living with family sometimes. People end up really disliking their own siblings if they [chuckling] spend too much time too close to each other.

 

So everyone needs their space. That’s why we all go to our own bedrooms at the end of the day. So even if you’re living in a community based environment, everyone having their own space, space, like even if it’s on the same property, you have different little houses on the same property that you can go to and you still have your room, your office, your bedroom you can retreat to at the end of the day. I think that’s really important, especially important for me. I like to spend a long, long periods of time alone. Actually people close to me say they don’t know anyone, they’ve said that they don’t know anyone who needs as much time to himself as I do.

 

So it’s really important for some people it’s just a necessary facet of the human condition, I think.

 

Mark Collett: I completely agree! I like time on my own. And I don’t understand people who always have to be, …

 

[1:55:21]

 

Blair Cottrell: I watched a video recently, the top 10 things like intelligent people do or something. And I watched it because I thought, I want to see if I do any of these things. Now I’m not gonna brag and tell you how many of the things I ended up doing, but the one thing that surprised me was talking to yourself.

 

One of the things apparently intelligent people do is they talk to themselves. And I’m thinking that blew my mind when that one popped up on the screen because I thought:

 

“I’ve been doing that since I was a kid, a lot!”

 

I’ve been waiting for no one to be in the house so I can pace the hallway and discuss things with myself. And I’m wondering, do you do that, Mark?

 

Mark Collett: Oh, God, [chuckling] I’m laughing because I do. I do! And the worst thing is, the worst thing is the Mrs will like, come into the house and I won’t hear her coming in, and I’ll be in sort of like conversation. She’s like:

 

“Who are you talking to earlier?”

 

And I was just like:

 

“Just myself. I was running through a few ideas and doing a back and forth and my sort of inner monologue was coming out.”

 

And I do this when I’m running as well. I used to go on long runs on a Sunday morning and I’d have a conversation about ideas. And if I’m planning out a speech or something like that, I will do it and run through it under my breath.

 

And sometimes I walk past people in the street and they’ll be looking at me like:

 

“He’s talking to himself!”

 

But you speak to some people and you’ll be like:

 

“That’s just my inner monologue.”

 

And they’re like:

 

“What’s one of them?”

 

And you’ll be like:

 

“What do you mean? So you don’t have conversations with yourself about ideas and plans, and you don’t have a back and forth?”

 

And they’re like:

 

“No.”

 

Blair Cottrell: We’ll get to the point where they’re planting microphones in your house, and you’ll be committing hate speech to yourself! Yeah, and you’ll be a charge for hate speech to yourself, Mark. You’ve got to be careful!

 

Mark Collett: But [chuckling] I do it all the time and it sometimes frustrates and freaks people out.

 

And sometimes, as I say, the Mrs will come up and says:

 

“Who are you talking to? Your phone wasn’t even, …”

 

“Yeah, well, that’s just me. Just me.”

 

And it really annoys you if I say:

 

“It’s the best conversation I get in this house, which is like, that’s the best!”

 

If you want to start a real argument is when your misses catches you having the inner monologue, remind her that it’s more intelligent conversation than you get out of her. And then you will get that is the fast track to being punched by your partner.

 

All Good, How’s It Going gave two dollars. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Hail Mark! Hail, Blair! If you could both meet up IRL in each other’s countries, where is the first place you would go to Showcase your homeland? I’m glad you’re still alive and well, Blair.”

 

Well, I didn’t actually get to do as much with Blair as I do with, usually when people come over. And it’s because Blair arrived, I met him then. He had to go and do things with his partner and they went on little exploratory journeys themselves. But if I could have taken Blair anywhere, it would have been to a place called Bradgate Park in Leicestershire which has got historic ruins, wild running deer, and some of the oldest trees in the whole country. Like these trees, some of them are 7, 800 years old.

 

So the things they’ve seen in their lifetime is just incredible! You know, they really are these incredible sort of they’re not obviously alive in the sense of like a creature, but living entities that have seen changes over their lifetime that we couldn’t, we couldn’t imagine.

 

And I think that connection with nature to me is important. It’s a place I went as a child, and sharing that with somebody like Blair would have been awesome! But unfortunately, we didn’t get as much time together as I hoped.

 

Blair Cottrell: When I was a kid, I used to wish that I could touch an old tree and absorb its knowledge. I used to imagine that that was happening if I touched an old tree. But I’m kind of torn. I want to take Mark. I would take Mark to the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne and explain, like, exactly the significance of all the different features, because it’s very significant, not just to Australians, but to, I think, all extended members of our race. And I’ve learnt that only recently, actually in the past few years.

 

But then I also want to take Mark to the athletics track, the track and field institution setup that I used to compete on when I was younger. And I want to see if I can beat him in a 200 metre or 100 metre foot race. That’s what I’d really want to do!

 

Mark Collett: I’m an old man now. I’m 45. And one thing I’ve noticed, as I get older, I don’t seem to get that much weaker. So I can still go to the gym and do decent lifts and build myself up. But that burst energy where you can, not long distance. You can still do you get a lot of long distance instance runners who were old men. But that burst energy you have when you’re young, it’s just gone. So you might beat me there. Spartan Sadaka gave $2. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“My view is this planet needs a moral, wise, compassionate White emperor that has legally restrained authority over every single military and space travel, peace by centralisation and strict laws of war.”

 

Well, thank you so much! Ironically, I made a joke earlier, privately to Blair that he would make an excellent sort of Conan the King style character that could rule by a compassionate force. I actually said that to you earlier, didn’t I? There’s something I actually said to you. So would you take the role of Conan the King?

 

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Mark Collett
6 hours ago
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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@ancientviking
all these outward nazis are rumoured to be feds

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withey
3 hours ago
great show, goodnight all 14/88 28

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
evening dupes

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
ye tnx

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Sir Trancealot
3 hours ago
14

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@Joesmith
3 hours ago
14

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@MarkCollett
you have so many guests, but imagine unz laughing at your back for making you believe his scam he is some kind of right winger

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
so mark can praise iran more? lets not

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago
ye Blair is a beast

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
might as well be a jew himself

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
according to duke nothing was good before christianity/judiasm

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@BlairCottrell
can you snatch? clean&jerk?

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
and duke is a zionist

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago
Unz is basically a Liberal Jew, he simply seems not able to grasp the very concept of racial identity.
He just publishes a lot of right wing content, for the sake of the traffic it engenders, not because he is our friend.

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago
and others in heavily mixed California. this was in the link

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@MarkCollett
https://www.unz.com/runz/an-open-letter-to-the-alt-right-and-others/
why do you invite unz to your show? he believes that the ideal of a White ethnostate as the most desirable political outcome is debunked by the reality of low crime and unproblematic coexistence of Whites, Hispanics

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
so whats the benefit in UK when everyone is prediposed to hating it?

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
we don’t have the same law and you will get locked up .. and noboy supports it here

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
you deserve to go to jail if don’t realise the ramifications of using hiterl outside of USA

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Prison Ships
3 hours ago
I hope DUKE beats the cancer and out lives trump.

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
stop being revelators of hitler in commonwealth countries

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@BlairCottrell
of course it is illegal, look at the warfare tom sewell you and others are subjected to

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
what about if there is a redpilled scientist egghead, would he trigger inferiority complexes and how do you escape from that if you accept human inequality?

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ancientviking
3 hours ago

@withey
Not on the top 10

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@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 hours ago

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
IDK that’s of course your original question for Blair, not something I have a problem accepting having worked with such academics on projects together.

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Sir Trancealot
3 hours ago
Dinobane is based

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
its stupid as shiiit

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Alice1488
32 minutes ago
Blair is a real White man, a national treasure for Australia. It’s rare to see a Nationalist that doesn’t get involved with drama!

Barnes isn’t Noble
32 minutes ago
I believe entropy has had payment processing issues if I remember correctly Henrick mentioned having not received donation funds from one of his payment processors.

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago
i don’t think they monitor this chat

@Ihtultu
3 hours ago
Good evening everyone.

Obscure Truth
3 hours ago
True.

@Ihtultu
3 hours ago
take it alongside beta alanine.

withey
3 hours ago

@ancientviking
but it is a problem

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago
2.2 *grams per kg

ancientviking
3 hours ago
like thats the biggest problem

ancientviking
3 hours ago
wahhh people smoke weed …

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@Mar

@BlairCottrell
how do i get to 2.2 proteins per kg of weight though, with eggs only?

ancientviking
3 hours ago
its a good level to be at

ancientviking
3 hours ago
carolina reaper or scorpion pepper

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 hours ago

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
I’ve spent a lot of time around some incredibly intelligent academics, I like to call the lampshades because they make the bright appear dimmer, but they too tow the line and rather tell a lie rather than be aberrant and tell the truth on certain matters

withey
3 hours ago

@Philip.Kollberg
i drink raw eggs it’s lovely either 1 at a time or 3 in a glass and drink drink drink

@Ihtultu
3 hours ago
They’re trying to make the goys gay!!!

ancientviking
3 hours ago
Yet ……

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
4 hours ago
Richard Spencer liked hamburgers with caramelised onion or something like that

@Philip.Kollberg
4 hours ago
drink egg is awful

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
4 hours ago
i mean, do you justify priviledge by way human inequality?

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
4 hours ago

@BlairCottrell
..and how do you think you stack against a scientist or someone like that, do you accept your intellectual inferiority as downstream from human inequality, or … do you cope by claiming you are cleverer because you are red-pilled, they are just privileged pencilnecked eggheads, etc

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Cannot recommend that enough

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
If you don’t know how to cook start with stews

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago
I found 20% fat better for smash burgers with onions.

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago
5%??

ancientviking
4 hours ago
suger filled buns

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
It’s the European stable food

ancientviking
4 hours ago
terible

ancientviking
4 hours ago
brioch?

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Lobscouse

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Scouse

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Stew

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago

@withey
LOL same

withey
4 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
i’m an ectomorph i could never get to blair probably not even with steroids

ancientviking
4 hours ago
does blair here raise chickens? i doubt it

ancientviking
4 hours ago
this seems like a better time than early sleep

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
and i remind you that you cannot use slurs on this channel

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago

@withey
Self rebutal – you most certainly will not get as jacked as Blair doing that, but it is better for most people psychologically and it is productive.

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
im simply bored

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
your attacks have amounted to nothing

ancientviking
4 hours ago
so nice goin for white movements

ancientviking
4 hours ago
no he is a paki

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
i’ve met tollah as well, he is swarthy nothing more

ancientviking
4 hours ago
and iin their pics

ancientviking
4 hours ago
and paki

ancientviking
4 hours ago
midget as well

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
Ayotolah i think he is called

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
who?

ancientviking
4 hours ago
dunno

ancientviking
4 hours ago
why he was in the pic i dunnop

0KT0BER
4 hours ago
*dwarven

ancientviking
4 hours ago
or that paki guy

0KT0BER
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
no dissing our warven kings

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
yes woodlander is short

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago

@withey
Focusing on your appearance like that is narcissistic. laying a driveway of 1000 1footx1footx2″ thick paving stones its a workout and you can look at what you’ve done at the end of the day

ancientviking
4 hours ago
like that woodlander guy? he is 5’0 a litteral dwarf

withey
4 hours ago
i’m parallel with steve laws shoulders

0KT0BER
4 hours ago
https://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/HJS-Israel-2048-%E2%80%93-A-Blueprint-Report-web-4.pdf

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
those fellas are 6’4

ancientviking
4 hours ago
doubt

withey
4 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
have a home gym

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
I dount after some of the people he is pictured with

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
It’s far more rewarding than the gym which just has you paying to move things around back to the start

withey
4 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
looking good and feeling great is the achievement

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Anything

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
that bike crash was a blessing in discuise

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Dig a ditch or something

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
i had a motobike accdent broke sevral bones and when i got better i got to the fitst ive ever been i was a fat bloob b4 that

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
you’re about the same height as Mark, and only a little taller than me

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Build something! The most rewarding exercise is when you can look back at the end of the day and see you’ve achieved something more than lifted a lump of iron only to put it back where you found it.

ancientviking
4 hours ago
5’10

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
he is a jew so id imagine so

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
how tall are you?

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
do you have issue with mike enoch?

ancientviking
4 hours ago
midgets

Obscure Truth
4 hours ago
Lol

ancientviking
4 hours ago
where mark is like 5’5 lol

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
As you get older you do find it harder to have that burst of strength to bench press a gearbox up onto an engine while lying under a car

withey
4 hours ago
we whites cannot live like indians, we are too geared to being in charge of our own destiny, we are all leaders, any difference is cause for conflict, we only cooperate when we agree

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
lake distric

ancientviking
4 hours ago
what a guy ….

ancientviking
4 hours ago
the supposed nuerologist that preyed on retarded women?

ancientviking
4 hours ago
wow

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
you really think that creep is innocent?

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
its like 10% dont

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Wait you guys don’t do that in your internal monologue? You actually say it?

@Ir0nW1LL
4 hours ago
You meet a better class of person that way

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
call the police who dealt with this lie and have them tell you

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
My uncle had a stroke and could no longer do that in silence.

Prison Ships
4 hours ago
AntiChrists; Unregenerate Queers; and c”rap” listeners deserve an insurmountable Alien invasion.

@Joesmith
4 hours ago

@withey
i got a council flat its nice being close to famaly i share a dog with him the dog wanted to go to his yestday so she draged me there lol

ancientviking
4 hours ago
he was not wearing a hazmat suit for no reason

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
M8? that shit was done with years ago, ofc he killed her

withey
4 hours ago

@Joesmith
same here

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
that’s a lie and you know it, JF is a good man, a hero of our race

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
i am a 10 min walk from my dad

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
Unless you are JF Gariepy and kill off your own wife

Sir Trancealot
4 hours ago
which then lead to MGTOW

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
you see your dad every day, but it’s only brief, you need your mother for affection and your father for leadership this is wholesome nuclear family, everyone plays a part, all roles are crucial

ancientviking
4 hours ago
do some partime farm work

ancientviking
4 hours ago
stop being lazy

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
*sued

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
They got sewed for plagiarising the kookaburra song

@RP
4 hours ago
Where do you guys stand on sperm donation? Should young, fit and healthy nationalists consider donating to healthy, attractive and intelligent European women even if they’re lesbians? I’d argue having healthy white babies is a net positive for us.

ancientviking
4 hours ago
what a shit show

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
vegemite sandwiches are disgusting. Marmite is better

ancientviking
4 hours ago
and gods help you if you go back on ethan ralphs again mark

Prison Ships
4 hours ago
If EuroPagan “gods” were believable they would have remained at minimum 30% more popular than they did.

@TheOldOneTwo
4 hours ago
A god is only as believable as the mystic who peddles him.

ancientviking
4 hours ago
what kind of message would that be?

ancientviking
4 hours ago
Only on weekends? so men should be more like blacks? .. just went out for a pack of smokes?

withey
4 hours ago
true dads worked mums gave affection

withey
4 hours ago
my cheeks are hurting that’s so funny

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
no

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
i have

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
lol

ancientviking
4 hours ago
not been years of that already

ancientviking
4 hours ago
sure to save the white people is film reviews

Prison Ships
4 hours ago

@james
Adams MCkenzie Peer pressure.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
I’d rather achieve something than spend it in the gym. Breaking up concrete and wheelbarrowing it into a big pile around the other side of the section is a good start

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
that’s insane to say. look at ancient rome, greeks, makedonians, celts, thracians, germans. even today everyone wants to be a successor of rome.

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
true Adam will win, but only because religion is fantasy and in part subversive, facts and reality always wins

ancientviking
4 hours ago
Duke even said we did nothing before christianity … the gall on that fooker

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago
especially when doing legs.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Have you not seen the tik tok pastors promoting LGBT stuff?

ancientviking
4 hours ago
Adam will wipe the floor with old christian idiot

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
That won’t work, they go about subverting any organisation of authority, even the church.

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago
an ethnoreligion will reappear. it’s inevitable.

Obscure Truth
4 hours ago
Right.

@SvenLongshanks
4 hours ago
great conversation tonight

ancientviking
4 hours ago
they shill for ‘god’ at every oppertunity

ancientviking
4 hours ago
nobody seems to care anymore

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
we have to thank Theodosius I for that. along with inserting a foreign universalist religion, he allowed the mahommedans to flourish centuries later ater the battle of Frigidus.

0KT0BER
4 hours ago
lol

James Adams MCkenzie
4 hours ago

@VesselofGrace
how the hell is Darwn a satanist

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
You sleep better that’s for sure

ancientviking
4 hours ago
why i never trusted him

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@Ihtultu
The jewish religion holds alot of sway in him

Prison Ships
4 hours ago
Darwin; Freud; Marx; Nietzsche are the most Amplified Satanists.

James Adams MCkenzie
4 hours ago
Before Christianity we had control over our spirituality that had deep ancestral roots, after it started getting controled by a foreign cult

Prison Ships
4 hours ago
Saint Martin Luther knew better.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Oh you don’t like trash everywhere and like things organised, you’re ADHD and autistic (AKA just simply a white man)

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
it would have to be cash in hand work, because every employer pays into a bank account

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Being white is a mental illness under the jewish defined DSM

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
Get a job an do this in free time, relying on money from poor whites with no hope but paying internet personalites is not exactly a plus

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
no parent would be proud of a aspd son lol

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
when i was a kid duslex and adhd was techanly specal needs but not relly specal needs

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
how can mark carry on without money to pay for his family and pay to run this organisation?

@Diogenes
4 hours ago
“Oh that’s all nonsense, it’s a racket for the …”

@Joesmith
5 hours ago

@withey
lol after u should check out a short aspd explaned by duck its so me lol

Callaghan
5 hours ago
FREE JOEL DAVIS

James Adams MCkenzie
5 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
5 hours ago
It’s the jewish driven dysgenic goycattle breeding program at play there Blair

withey
5 hours ago

@Joesmith
it sounds cool

ancientviking
5 hours ago

@withey
Easily doable without subscriptions

Reginald Collett
5 hours ago
the new supergirl actress is autralian

@Joesmith
5 hours ago
aspd means socalpath

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
others aren’t in it and don’t either understand it or don’t believe it, but it’s real, my soul is free, free from woke

@Joesmith
5 hours ago
i like my anti socal personalty disorder lable

@Philip.Kollberg
5 hours ago
Does the shack include Mark Collett stream?

ancientviking
5 hours ago

@withey
About yourselves, nobody else.

@Diogenes
5 hours ago
everyone is retarded and everyone hates each other – sounds like the baseline for today’s world

@Joesmith
5 hours ago
lol thats me i get big benfits for bpd and anti socal personalty disorder

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
i’ve seen it first hand, i’ve talked to other members, we’re all positive and enthusiastic

ancientviking
5 hours ago
its been years

ancientviking
5 hours ago
Keep telling yourself that

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
PA is getting better it’s always got better

ancientviking
5 hours ago
then why does it still get worse?

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
camping together, hiking together, is collectivism, we think the same we feel the same and we can cooperate, it’s all proven, and from that we build

ancientviking
5 hours ago

@withey
Pitching tents will instill fear in all foreigners?

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
but if you’re happy to just stay online, well god for you

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
showing what can be achieved is priceless

ancientviking
5 hours ago

@withey
Im sure going for a hike and then ponying up some hundreds of pounds for a quick camp session will cure our ills colour me with optimism

withey
5 hours ago
it wouldn’t be long after we are denied fuel that the state runs out, no running ambulances, fire engines nor police cars

withey
5 hours ago
america will probably drop an A bomb on every city in iran

@Diogenes
5 hours ago
dropped two of them please

withey
5 hours ago
a nuke is the only way for america to win

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
the demo only gives a glimpse about PA this gives more of the picture, the website is words and pictures, all of this is necessary for people before they attend the camp or the conference, before they become emersed in what Mark is creating

ancientviking
5 hours ago
but like i said

ancientviking
5 hours ago
if i believed in them i would

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
do you attend PA demo’s?

ancientviking
5 hours ago
none of this online shit does anything i think that is quite obvious now

ancientviking
5 hours ago
years of this and nothing changed

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
what’s your problem?

ancientviking
5 hours ago
if the downvote button was available? id hit that, but its not available, like a youtube channel

withey
5 hours ago
click

ancientviking
5 hours ago
its shit

ancientviking
5 hours ago
why

withey
5 hours ago
come on people 132 watching but only 22 likes….like the stream

withey
5 hours ago
fyi i liked the stream earlier

withey
5 hours ago
good evening all 14/88 28 wpwp wpww

ancientviking
5 hours ago
not like they are arabs or anything

ancientviking
5 hours ago
praising iran is the way to go am i right?

@noreplacement
5 hours ago
that happened here in England. Diesel was cheap, until it got popular

Prison Ships
5 hours ago
Militant BabyKillers and Sodomites are the NeoBolshevik vanguard.

Sir Trancealot
5 hours ago
evening all

ancientviking
5 hours ago
that was all nonsense

@noreplacement
5 hours ago
It was bad in Thatchers time Mark. Mortgages at 15% rising inflation. Yet few voted for the NF

ancientviking
5 hours ago
nobody froze in covid either

@SvenLongshanks
5 hours ago
1.48 here

@noreplacement
5 hours ago
Mark is right here. Always a % of boomers were nationalists. Same % in younger folk, not enough, yet.

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
lets opt for the road less traveled

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
path of least resistance?

Aryan Futurist Joker
5 hours ago
o/

ancientviking
5 hours ago
not playing into jews hands might be a good start

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
fight fire with fire is my mantra

@Mcb
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
Ideas man

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
support of the general public will grow as diversity expands

@noreplacement
5 hours ago
Hate to burst any bubbles, but I don’t see much evidence of non-boomers stepping up in any greater numbers than within the boomer cohort

ancientviking
5 hours ago
venerate hitler in countries that despise him should work wonders

ancientviking
5 hours ago
So more swastikas and getting arrested helps?

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
white kids were the bullies …my school in Central Wisconsin had very little diversity then

@LottaSense
5 hours ago
whadda you mean “White children”? You mean other kids, right?

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
but their treatment motivated me to hit the gym and i got super jacked so jokes on them

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
white children bullied me for being so godamn white

@LottaSense
5 hours ago
all my favorite friends that were boys when I was little were gingers lol

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
i never formed friendships as a child i was a ginger

@LottaSense
5 hours ago
american public schools do the same thing to White children. constantly mix them up when they go to the next grade so they cant stay with their friends.

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
that’s Diabolical

@SvenLongshanks
5 hours ago
they move prisoners around a lot as well, and you dont know what prison you will end up at when they bundle you into the van

@Mcb
6 hours ago
thanks Robert sorry I muted you

@SvenLongshanks
6 hours ago
Hi Chief

Chief Moody
6 hours ago
Evening troops

@robert1184
6 hours ago
Southport is lovely

@mcb

Vettekid1488
6 hours ago
traitors of the highest order is What they are

Vettekid1488
6 hours ago
2nd class status in your own homelands… despicable

Prison Ships
6 hours ago
No surprises. Our NeoBolshevik Oppressors murder us whenever they can get away with it.

@LottaSense
6 hours ago
“law” is subjective now. Not objective.

@Joesmith
6 hours ago
odysee keeps freezing

@Mcb
6 hours ago
I’ve got a bad feeling he won’t get bail

ancientviking
6 hours ago
i spose another heil hitler will do it, no trouble ever comes of it in commonwealth countries im sure

@vengeance
6 hours ago
o/

Vettekid1488
6 hours ago
hail mr. cotrell

DerCherusker
6 hours ago
Hail!

@Mcb
6 hours ago

@Daniel

Prison Ships
6 hours ago
OnlyQueers take requests on when or if to smile.

@Ihtultu
6 hours ago
Good evening everyone.

@Daniel
6 hours ago
You can’t win in seaside towns no matter what the actual demographics of the town are

@Mcb
6 hours ago
ok cheers

@Daniel
6 hours ago
Last time I was in Southport the actual residents were very white but full of Indians visiting

@SvenLongshanks
6 hours ago
hi serena

@Mcb
6 hours ago
BC

@SerenaJB
6 hours ago
Good evening.

@Mcb
6 hours ago
many nigs??

@Mcb
6 hours ago
Is Southport ok or a fcking hole??

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
23 hours ago
but he’d better off frowning when pictures are taken of him

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
23 hours ago
Why the new thumbnail for Blair – he looks like he is affected by mental retardation. The old thumbnail with him frowning was much better, he looked somewhat heroic. He doesn’t look good smiling in photo, he doesn’t have the right features for that. Although he often grins when talking and that’s ok

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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Mark Collett: Hello everybody, and welcome to tonight’s special stream. We are live tonight on Odysee, Rumble, DLive and Entropy. Please do share the links because we’ve got a very special guest here tonight that I’ll be introducing shortly. It is of course, Germar Rudolf. And before we do that, I’m going to give you a couple of updates.

 

Now, as I said, this is a very important stream. It’s because we’re introducing a special event that Germar Rudolf is hosting called, The Holocaust Summit. And this event is something that hopefully will be very big. And this is basically a bit of an advert for the event, a bit of a discussion about how it came about, but also a discussion about who’s trying to stop it!

 

So we’re going to go through all those things and many more tonight and at the end you’ll have a chance to ask questions.

 

Now, if you support my work, if you like what I do, please share the stream.

 

But also if you support my work and like what I do, you can give a donation, you can donate through Rumble, you can donate through Entropy. Anything donated throughout the show will be read out live on the show and any questions will be put directly to Germar Rudolf.

 

So if you ask me a question or pay for a question via a Superchat, I will read it out after the initial presentation and we will answer your questions. All donations are gratefully received. And as I always say, if everyone gave a small amount, $3, $5, $10, that would make a great, great difference. Some of my streams in the past few months have been seen by upwards of 75,000 people. Imagine if everyone had just given $3, what we would be able to do with that money would be almost limitless at that point. But everyone would barely notice that money leaving their account because it’s probably the price of an energy drink, probably less than a coffee house coffee, certainly less than the price of a McDonald’s double cheeseburger these days.

 

So if you can afford something, please do consider donating. You can also donate by crypto-currency. All the crypto links, as always, are in the description below and you can email me at mark@thefallofwesternman.com. And many of you will be saying:

 

“Well, how can I get in touch with Germar?”

 

And this is obviously all about Germar. You can get in touch with Germar via the Show Notes. The Show Notes have the link to his website about this very event. So you can find him there. You can also find him on Telegram.

 

So thank you so much to anyone who does donate in advance. And please do consider supporting Germar’s event, because that’s what this is all about.

 

Now, obviously, Germar is the special guest here tonight, and I did a special show with him a while back. It was an excellent show, and his ability to present his evidence and to tell his story is almost unrivalled! I couldn’t believe it! I asked one question and Germar sort of spoke very eloquently for about 58 minutes, at which point we went to Questions and Answers. It was sort of the least work I had to do ever in a show! I didn’t need to interrupt. I didn’t need to ask him any additional questions. He just has this skill of being able to tell his story in a timely way and weave it all together almost perfectly in the allotted space that we had on the show. And after doing that show with him, I was sort of really happy with the way it turned out. I was really happy with the reception, Germar got from my audience, and I really did want to have him back on.

 

So when he contacted me and told me he was doing this conference, this Summit, I was very happy to promote it. And I asked him:

 

“So, hey, sort of, what can I do to help you?”

 

He said:

 

“Well I could always come on the show.”

 

So I thought:

 

“Well, what better way to push this event than invite him back on and spend sort of 45 minutes to an hour talking to him about this event and also just having a general catch up.”

 

Because the last show, as I said, it was so good and everyone appreciated it so much. I did want to get him back on eventually anyway, so this is a perfect time.

 

Germar, you have been a very busy man since we last spoke. How have you been? And what sort of led up to you wanting to do this event? Because you have an excellent website, you have a number of really good books, you’ve been busy with other content creators. I know that you went on Unity News Network and you’ve had sort of a little flurry of appearances, but if you want to get people up to date with what you’ve been up to and when, what sort of inspired you to decide to put on this conference, please tell us all about it.

 

[04:45]

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, well, thank you.

 

First of all, thank you for having me on the show again. A short remark. If people want to get in touch with me personally, learn more about me, how they can support me if they are so inclined, the easy way is just go to my personal website, which is Germarrudolf.com. So you see my name there on the screen. Just put this together without a blank and a dot com at the end, and you’re on my personal website and you can browse it there.

 

Now, as to what I’ve been up to over the past year, the main work that I’ve been focusing on was getting the Holocaust Encyclopedia, the English edition of which had appeared in late 2023, out in several other languages. The Spanish and French are out. The Spanish came out in I think it was maybe of last year. And the French we got out, I think it was in November. So we are up now to four languages. English, German, which was done by a different company. It was not in my ballpark. But the French and the Spanish edition, and that’s a lot of work. I mean, writing an encyclopedia is one thing, then AI helps you translate. But at the end you have to walk through it. My Spanish and French is good enough. I could do most of the proofing and editing myself. And then came the big one that we’re preparing right now! It’s an Arabic edition.

 

So that’s like proofing a pot full of spaghetti, because that’s how that language looks like to me. [chuckling] No clue about it! But I have professionals working on it.

 

And so this is making good progress and hopefully within a few months that will hit the mark and we’ll see how that’s going to be received. What kind of ripples that we’ll have, if any. So that’s on that side.

 

Now coming to the actual event for which we have come together today. Holocaust sceptics have been organising conferences since the late 1970s. And the early, …

 

Mark Collett: Okay, I just ask a quick question before you go into this?

 

You mentioned that the books are available in French and Spanish, but aren’t the Holocaust sort of revisionism laws or laws and against revisionist literature in France?

 

Germar Rudolf: So what?

 

Mark Collett: I was just asking about sort of the legality of the sales. Really, I was just, … What you might have to overcome in that case.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes, if I have the intention to abide by unjust and illegitimate laws that violate United Nations Charter of Human Rights, I wouldn’t have gotten into the topic to begin with. So I don’t give a rat’s arse about any dictatorship passing laws, prescribing the writing of history at government gunpoints. This is something that doesn’t go down well with me.

 

Now, when it comes to printing and publishing the book, that’s an international network and I’m not going to expose here or reveal here what kind of logistics we use. But it basically gets lost in the massive mail stream that goes into and out of every country every day. So we haven’t had any interference, be it getting literature, English literature, or French, also to Canada, to France, to, … You name the countries. If we had them by the bag or by the truck load going into the country that would be selectively subject to border controls, that would be a problem.

 

But it’s just going individual for every customer into the mail stream. And this just gets lost in the shuffle. So we haven’t encountered any problems yet. So knocking on wood. Fingers crossed. I hope I’m not going to jinx it now.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, I was just interested about the logistics of these things because there are draconian laws and I think what you’re doing is obviously very brave. And that answer of you’re not going to allow unjust laws to stop you. I think you’re a very courageous man. So sorry for the interjection. Please, please continue.

 

Germar Rudolf: That’s quite all right. So back in 1976, the first really scholarly book of Holocaust scepticism was published. That was Arthur Butz’s hoax of the 20th century. The first edition of which actually was published by Historical Review Press, kind of a small outlet that was established on occasion of that book appearing down in Brighton by Tony Hancock in the UK, even though the author, of course, is in the United States. That was the launching pad of people getting interested into Holocaust scepticism seriously, but also realizing that this is a serious School of thought that has to be reckoned with. And it led to the formation of the Institute for Historical Review in California. And they did have first conference was in 78 or 79 [1979], I can’t remember, I think it was in 79.*

 

 

[* See: The World’s First Anti-Holocaust Convention-Instauration Dec, 1979

https://katana17.com/2016/09/27/the-worlds-first-anti-holocaust-convention-instauration-dec-1979/.

[In this article, written for the Dec. 1979 edition of the revisionist journal,  Instauration, an interesting account is given of the first ever, “Anti-Holocaust” convention,  with speakers including:  Robert Faurisson from France; John Bennett from Australia; Udo Walendy from Germany; Louis FitzGibbon from Britain; Arthur Butz and James Martin from the US. This was held in Los Angeles and organised by the Institute for Historical Review  —  KATANA.]

 

And they had had subsequently, over the next two decades, conferences almost on a yearly basis, with a few exceptions. And unfortunately they had some internal strife in the mid-1990s, a kind of a schism there that led to internal fighting, unfortunately. That’s something that occurs on occasion. And that led to the whole School of thought and the Institute losing steam. And eventually those conferences petered out in the early 2000s.

 

And there hasn’t been any for the better part of 20 years now. And now I myself participated, since the first conference I attended was in 2000, I think so participated in the last few that happened, until I got arrested and deported back in 2005 and had a hiatus of six years in Germany, well, 44 months of them, full board at government expense. And after I came back to the United States a little bit shell shocked, got my feet wet slowly and eventually got back into the race.

 

But my family situation, I was married to a US citizen and we had a baby. And of course I was deported right out of this family. And she had to raise her daughter the first six years almost by herself. And so she was more traumatized by that event of government persecution. It was eventually decided that they deported me in violation of US law, and I had to litigate but eventually succeeded and came back. And now here I am in the United States, relatively safe from European style thought crime prosecution.

 

But my wife wasn’t happy in me continuing this kind of work, fearing that it would have another negative impact down the road for the family, not just for me.

 

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So we had an agreement that I could continue my work privately but keep my head down and limit or try to not even at all have any public exposure. That also means I couldn’t do any conferences. I was approached during those years starting 2014, 15, something, that a conference should be held again and I would have been the person to go to with my connections, with my involvement in the various organisations and with my track record of productivity. But I waved it off. I couldn’t have pulled it off logistically back then.

 

A physical conference requires a lot of work of getting the venue, organising food and accommodation for all the people that want to attend and of course for the presenters themselves. And the costs, the overhead costs could be daunting! And it’s not clear that at the end you actually walk away with profit more likely not. Most of all because you always have to have a “Plan B”. The traditional enemies of free speech and freedom of assembly in the past have always tried to shut down events like that. And they most certainly continue doing this to this day. Not just when it comes to Holocaust scepticism, but anything that is considered Right-wing, whatever that be. Even though Holocaust scepticism is neither Right nor Left. It’s about accuracy in history. But it is something that finds interest in the Right-wing spectrum of the political spectrum more prominently than in Left-wing circles or libertarian for that matter.

 

Be that as it may, you have to have a Plan B, a second venue, in case the first bails out under pressure of the usual suspects, you have to quickly be able to switch over. So you always have to pay kind of for both. And if your contracts are not written right, you start paying through the nose. With all these challenges, I said I can’t do it, apart from the agreement I had with my wife.

 

Now Covid hit. With all the negative things there is one upside to Covid and that is that in the meantime everyone is used to and technically capable of attending virtual conferences.

 

So the kind of discussion we have now with a lot of people watching, we can have 10 people discussing something and 10 million people watching. It has become so common due to Covid that this is something that can now be pulled off. The platforms are there are plenty of them and the overhead costs are reduced. People have the software, have the gadgets to participate, to watch it. And they used to it. Particularly the new generation is very comfortable that kind of technology.

 

So last summer a friend and supporter of mine, actually a pair of sisters, approached me and said we need to do something with Gaza brewing there’s an opportunity opening with people opening their mind that who see that the Zionists and the jewish Israelis to a large degree, not all of them, are pushing and committing genocide. The United Nations Commission has officially recognised Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza with the justification that they have to pre-emptively wipe out the Gazans in order to prevent them from committing another holocaust against the jews.

 

So the Holocaust is used as a political weapon to commit mass atrocities, to commit a genocide. That has made people realise that the agendas and the historical narrative pushed by Zionists and it’s not just jewish Zionists, I always say there are more Christian Zionists in the world than they are jewish Zionists, is recognised by people as being illegitimate, as being driven by a Holocaust narrative that is misused for these ends. And they see how the narrative about what happened on October 7th back in when was that? 2023, right? So long ago already, wasn’t quite accurate what Zionist sources told about it either. So there is the distortion and misuse of history for political purposes.

 

And then people are willing with their open mind:

 

“Wait, what’s going on here?”

 

To look back in history and see other cases and then the to look at the big elephant in the room when it comes to historical narratives. And that’s the Holocaust used by pressure groups, not just jewish, not just Zionist ones, to push their agendas.

 

With that said, I couldn’t really bail out anymore. Unfortunately I had gone through a divorce in the meantime. And so my a home still agreement with my no ex-wife was no excuse anymore, that had evaporated. So my family situation also most of my children are now grown up and they’re out of the home. There’s only one left who needs a little bit more of tender loving care still.

 

So that argument is gone. The logistical nightmare of doing physical conferences doesn’t exist when you do a virtual one. And I had agreed:

 

“Okay, let’s do it!”

 

The sisters actually suggested a name, Holocaust Summit.

 

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So I went online and looked whether the domain name is still there was. HolocaustSummit.com was available. I instantly reserved it and we started contacting people who would be willing to present it. Now the website is up. If we can share that screen with the audience. I’d like to go through a number of things we’ve put up there.

 

So as I mentioned, anyone can go there. Holocaust Summit.com, and it is organised and sponsored by a number of organisations. I’ve actually created a Holocaust Academy roughly a year ago, which I plan on and in the process of developing as a platform to teach sound Holocaust historiography to whoever wants to listen to give an accurate and holistic picture of the evidentiary situation when it comes to this event.

 

One of the first things that we’re now doing as the academy, major things we have already given private lessons, but the website itself is currently under development. So having a curriculum of a college style is somewhat daunting. But I’m working together with a retired Professor of humanities to get this going. And sometime later this year we will have that flying. But it will come now into the open as the organisation that will officially host the Holocaust Summit. So we are going to be independent, we’re going to be fearless, because unfortunately in this area you have to be! And we are not going to be censored if we can help it. And we’re not going to be constrained by politically correct taboos of thinking and asking questions and looking for answers.

 

So we’ll be tackling the most harmful ideology, undermining peace, truth and freedom world-wide. Because the Holocaust is used to trigger wars and genocides. That is used to enact censorship laws that suppress the search, the sharing of truth, and thus is used as a starting point for government to increase censorship measures. It’s easy to get a quote, unquote, “anti-Holocaust denial” law through Parliament.

 

And once the first fortress of freedom has fallen, then censorship like a cancer grows. And we see that in every country in the UK. You know it for yourself, what’s going on in your country. It used to be a stronghold of freedom of speech until they passed the new., … What was in 2002, I think the Public Communications Act. And now it’s completely escalating with the constraints they put on it.

 

So we need to be aware that the Holocaust is at the centre of the orthodox Holocaust narrative and its abuse, its misuse for political purposes, is at the centre of the problem of deteriorating freedom world-wide, or at least in the Western hemisphere.

 

Now we have picked the 27th of January, which, what is today, the 20th? I’m getting flustered here. Third. It’s already the 23rd, so it’s just in four days and next Tuesday should be. We picked that day for a reason. 27th of January 1945 was the day when the Red Army conquered the Auschwitz camp. And I choose that word wisely because the Red Army never “liberated” anyone. So they conquered the camp. And in 2005, if I’m not mistaken, the United Nations General Assembly adopted a resolution declaring that particular day 27 January, International Holocaust Remembrance Day.

 

So the iconic camp of Auschwitz, which is the most known alleged crime scene of what is labelled the Holocaust, Auschwitz is also the reason why we have this day as the international day of commemorating this event. And we want to use that too. Commemorating the truth and the lies, the exaggerations and distortions and the victims of this Holocaust narrative. The Gazans are the most recent, most extreme victims of this narrative. But we will have people present their experience of persecution and prosecution. Victims, martyrs, dissidents thrown into prison or having their livelihood destroyed.

 

So there’s a lot to commemorate and remember for us as well, and we will do that as well.

 

So the event itself will start 9:00 AM Eastern US time, which if I’m not mistaken is 2 clock in the afternoon for the UK and 3 PM for the rest of the most of the, …

 

Mark Collett: I think 7 PM in the UK. 2 PM Eastern is 7 PM in the UK.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, but we started 9 AM so it should be 2 PM

 

Mark Collett: Oh, okay. Sorry.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. We actually may start the stream a little earlier to test things and make things sure that things are running smoothly and make few accommodations and have a few organisational remarks before actually the day picks up with the presentations that we have.

 

Now if you click on the second link there, that CCR list and timeline of presenters that gets everyone down to the actual table where we have the presenters.

 

So this is our day. How we plan on having it unfold. We have the day started out with a contribution that I’m giving. Originally we had hoped actually for Nicholas Kollerstrom to take that spot. He initially had submitted a paper but then he had to retract it because it came under pressure, has been under pressure for a long time. So he wanted to talk about the English eclipse of communications.

 

But anyway, it’s not going to happen. There’s already one casualty of censorship and suppression, which is mounting and increasing in the UK. So I’ve taken that spot. And I take the opportunity because that event, short side note here, that event of course is streamed live. We will have the links on that website where people can reach it. Actually at the top there is already one and we’ll keep that updated.

 

But it’s a Tuesday. Not everyone will be able to sit and watch an event like this all day, on a normal workday. We will of course record it will be posted and people will be able to watch it whenever they please. And we will have it not only on our holocaustsummit.com website, but the company that actually hosts it, as at least the plan, is FTG media.com, and they are an independent platform.

 

So when it comes to them, we will not be de-platformed because it’s owned actually by one of the board members of one of our main sponsors, which is the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust. And he’s on the board there and he has suggested we use that platform so that we can’t be de-platformed.

 

I will be talking about 80 years of Holocaust scepticism, whence we came and where we are. So I give a historical overview since we assume that a lot of people over time, as years go by and these contributions will be accessible, a lot of people will not know much about our School of thought, its history and its views, that an introduction is due. We haven’t had anything like this happen in 20 years.

 

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So there’s an entire generation that has grown up which needs to be or should be given an introduction of what we are handling and what we’re dealing with here. So I will be talking about the main events and the main achievements of Holocaust scepticism over the past, well, since the end of the war, basically 1946 or 47 when it kind of started. And in the second half I will give a quick rundown giving the most striking, the most convincing arguments why everyone should be sceptical about the mainstream Holocaust narrative, and give resources in that context where people can learn more.

 

So with that, the event kicks off. Every contribution, full contribution will have 45 minutes. I hope everyone stays in that slot, but you know how it goes. There will be a time overrun, possibly. Followed by 15 minutes of question answers. There will be a chat feature, FTG media.com like any other, like Rumble, like YouTube has a chat feature. In order to chat you have to have registered with the platform that doesn’t cost anything. You just submit your email address and get a free account and then you can chat. Now for the question and answer series session at the end, the last quarter hour, people are requested to make a donation in order to submit a question like the Superchat and various other platforms. And in order to do that you have to have a wallet with FTG media and the wallet is just automatically set up. When you get an account, you just have to fill it with some funds, whatever resources you take it from, plastic money or crypto or whatever.

 

So that is the plan. My contribution is followed by a compatriot of yours, James Mosley, who is a Catholic priest from the UK. He has done a number of documentaries on the Holocaust over the past several years. Really good documentaries. And when he was working on his first one, he approached me and asked me a number of questions. So I became his historical advisor, if you wish. Each time he was working on one, he submitted what he was doing and I would make suggestion how to improve it.

 

And he will be presenting what he found about the evidentiary situation in one particular camp that he had investigated and done a documentary on. And that’s Treblinka. Now if you click on James Mawdsley’s name up there in the list that actually will get you to, for every one of the presenters will get you to where there’s a short bio, you can see a portrait and a summary of the presentation. If you scroll a little up or down, you can go back to the list, back to the timetable.

 

So this is James Mawdsley. We have actually grouped the European presenters first. UK comes first. James Mawdsley. Next one is Peter Rushton, also from the UK and he will be talking about also history between dogma and taboo. He talks about the British intelligence communications and interaction with the German intelligence toward the end of the war. Looking for evidence that the Brits were really thinking that the German intelligence community, which was under the rule of Heinrich Himmler, the supposed main architect of the Holocaust, that the British were actually acting and communicating as if they believed that Himmler was really murdering or had already murdered at that point of time six million jews is a very interesting contribution. I’m looking forward to myself the that the title of it, the Dog that Didn’t Bark is already an indication of which direction that will go.

 

We’re having a lunch break after that. It is scheduled to be 2 hours long now I expect some time overruns and maybe stretching into the hour between 12 and 1. But we will have enough time during that break and I have yet to announce it because we just finished up preparing for this. The lunch break will have will see the premiering of a new documentary we have just finished. And this is about an appearance of representatives of the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust in the public arena. And we had a little bit of an impact there and we want to share that with the community. That’s I think a 35 minutes so it will fit in there either way.

 

So in the afternoon the first session is actually shared by three individuals who will be talking about their personal experience getting into Holocaust scepticism, how that happened and then also to what degree they were exposed to persecution, prosecution, ostracism and that kind of stuff. Nathaniel Kapner has been a very active person on social media, on YouTube, and now on other alternative platforms going after self-chosen people and their capers and also critiquing the misuse of history for political purposes.

 

Leo Walls is a bookstore owner in the US who tells his story of how that went when he started offering books that most don’t like.

 

And Georges-Marc Theil is actually a French fellow who has had decades of experiences of exposure to persecution in France.

 

Which leads us then to the next contribution that’s a bigger one. Seasoned revisionist Vincent Reynouard from France has under his belt now already 30 years of activism and I would say historical scepticism in general on the World War II issue, not just the Holocaust. And he has been the main focus as of last two, three years of the French judiciary to lock him away for good. He currently has to deal with seven court cases at once. He will be speaking during his presentation primarily about his experience of the abuse, … No. Not the abuse, the misuse of the law and the judiciary to suppress dissidents, peaceful dissidents on historical issues.

 

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And after that we go into abuse of power and politics based on history. Heinz Bartesch and Andrew Allen will report about their experience with the Office of Special Investigations, that’s the jewish branch of the FBI that was focusing on what they call informally, “Nazi Hunting”. Hunting down immigrants who had some association during the war with what the Axis powers were doing and the OSI was trying to deprive them of their immigration status or even citizenship and deport them to Europe to have them put on show trials there. The biggest case known is probably the case of Ivan Demjanjuk, John Demjanjuk from the 1980s. Bartesch and Allen will actually discuss a different case, that concerns Heinz Bartesch’s father, late father, who the OSI wanted to deport. And they got a bloody nose because they didn’t reckon with the stiff resistance and skilled defense that Andrew Allen, a lawyer from the San Francisco Bay area, was putting up. They were presenting some insight into how the FBI’s branch, back in the days, it has been disbanded by now, was violating the law, breaking the law left and right and forging evidence and so forth in order to frame immigrants, just to have a heyday for themselves or to push Holocaust propaganda.

 

After that we have retired Professor Dr. David Scrbina, who used to lecture in the humanities and philosophy at Michigan State University, if I’m not mistaken. He will be talking about early mainstream voices of Holocaust scepticism already during the war and right not too long after the war, which shows that back in the days, even mainstream people were sceptical about the narrative being pushed at war’s end.

 

And we wrap up the day making full circle what I started beginning the day, showing where we came from and where we are. Carlo Mattogno, probably the most prolific revisionist scholar and writer that we have, but in my opinion, also the most knowledgeable Holocaust scholar on the planet! The mainstream included! He is. He can’t speak English or understand it well, and he is currently in a besieged situation in Italy where they passed a law in 2016, threatening anyone voicing their dissent on the Holocaust narrative with up to six years in prison. Now they haven’t done anything against him, even though he kept publishing books by the truckload. I think he’s by now more than 50 books published on that topic. But he does that in a very scholarly manner and in a very low profile. So in Italy there are a few, 10 people and maybe buy the books, but they’re kind of shelf warmers. And he wants to keep it that way. He doesn’t want to gain a larger profile. He wants to do his work underneath the radar of public attention in Italy. And therefore he has submitted his paper to me to present it. And I have increased it by my own take of: Where Do We Go from Here? One part of it is what are the White spots on the map of Holocaust historiography, which still need to be investigated, explored. But also what else needs to be done to hand the relay staff over to the next generation. And there are some quite promising prospects when it comes to new people coming on board with new ideas, with the help of new technologies, bringing it to a new level and a different level. So trying to imitate or copy what Carlo Mattogno has done with his massive work is not what’s going to happen. The direction I think will go somewhere completely different. And I will be talking about that and hopefully this is going to happen. And with this I hope we will be closing the day.

 

Now, there’s always a possibility that things don’t run as smoothly as they are listed here. Just today we got information that a powerful group, international group, in the business of suppressing a free speech and freedom of assembly. They call themselves “Opponents Against Racism and Anti-semitism”. But basically what that means is they want to stifle anyone who has an opinion that certain ethnic and religious groups with power and influence, don’t want to hear!

 

So they are working in the background. We know of that and we hope hopefully will be able to prepare for there’s no way of telling from DDoS attacks to trying to get to the backbone provider and what have you. Anything is possible these days to just. And if it takes to turn off the power plant so you don’t have electricity, [chuckling] but that’s what it takes, that’s what they’ll do! So we expect something. They have noticed with the kind of exposure that our Summit has already received beforehand that we are there, what we’re doing and that we are reaching out and having a ripple effect and they don’t like it!

 

Now the kind of presentation that I’m giving here right now, I’ve done a number of them. If you scroll up on the screen here slowly, you can actually see listed on the right-hand side a number of presentations linked to of other platforms where I have given an introduction to this event. So if anyone is interested in listening to those, you just click on the image and go to the respective platform which is usually Rumble or Bitchute where this is posted. And because of this, I think, and you helping out now too, this event hopefully is going to be a success. It promises to be a success for us, and it threatens to become one for those who don’t want our voices to be heard.

 

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So there is going to be in the background the usual electronic warfare from the traditional enemies of free speech, to be expected, and we will see how that goes.

 

This is by and large my narrative now we are here right on the screen where the organisation of that event is shown. We actually, when we submitted to people who were potentially able to give presentations, the invitation to do so, we said we basically accept papers on three main topics.

 

The first is Holocaust in History, Taboo Between Dogma and Descent. It just talks about new historical findings and insights and interpretations on the event itself. The next one is Holocaust and Politics History as a Weapon. And I mentioned we have one contribution in this regard which will discuss the weaponisation of immigration law against immigrants in order to get propaganda campaigns out of it. And the last one is Holocaust and Human Rights History as a Muzzle, Holocaust Used to Push Censorship. And we have a number of presenters as mentioned who will discuss their very private experience of censorship.

 

So it should all be civilised and decent and for no one to get overly excited about in either direction. But of course certain groups get extremely excited if they fear that voices be heard that can disrupt their main source of power and influence. And there’s a lot at stake for them and they will go to extremes if need be to shut us down. We’ll see who at the end will have the upper hand.

 

Mark Collett: So are you expecting the usual sort of suspects to try and put a stop to this? Have you had anybody threaten your platform or have you had any threats in the run up to this or any attempts to stop this already?

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes, yes! We just today we got information that as I mentioned, you can have your own platform which is a computer program, but it has to run at the end of the day. It has to run on a server and has to have the connection to the backbone with the Internet cables with enough bandwidth. And usually you have some company providing services from the telecommunications company that hooks you up to what we call today the Internet, the physical Internet, to companies who do server co-location or dedicated server renting. And along that line I’m not quite sure what it was and I wouldn’t necessarily want to reveal it either. We already had approaches from certain quarters of pressure groups to shut down any link in that chain that would get our voice from where we sit to the Internet to the world. So that’s going on in the background and we have to see how that goes. Nothing has been shut down yet, but they’re trying.

 

Mark Collett: And when you kick this off, what sort of attendance are you expecting?

 

Germar Rudolf: Well, the Holocaust Summit website itself, HolocaustSummit.com if you go to the top, you actually see a link there where people can jump to the sign up form and just submit their email address so that they can stay informed if there are any sudden changes in the timeline in whatever is going to happen. Because we never know. If we go by that the last time I checked and that’s a week ago, that’s not quite accurate. We had submitted 300 emails through that. But I would expect these are only the hardcore ones who are willing to share their email. And the other, there’s not really a need if you just keep to the website. Go to the website and look up what the link is to the actual event and we will have it posted on other websites as well. You don’t have to identify yourself. So I would assume that the vast majority will not identify themselves even with an anonymous email.

 

So we need to see how it goes. I don’t know. Sign up has really accelerated with my frequent experience appearances on shows like yours over the past two weeks. And I would assume by now we have probably harvested several hundred more. But there’s no way of telling, as I mentioned, how many people who, how many of those who will attend will actually have submitted their email address. I would assume it’s a minority.

 

So hopefully we are going to have several thousand which will most certainly exceed, far exceed the range we could have had in the past with physical conferences, which were limited to a few hundred.

 

And of course then we have it not just streamed, but we have it posted. So on the usual platforms that will reach many, many more thousands, ten thousands in days, weeks, a month and years to come.

 

Mark Collett: And bearing in mind you said you are going to be doing donations and questions and answers on the day, sort of how do you expect or is there a way that people can sort of sponsor you in advance?

 

So obviously these events, they take a lot of time and effort to put together. I know it’s not a physical event and I know you’re not paying people to be there, but sort of, is there a way that people can actually sponsor the event and make donations in advance to help you guys with your infrastructure and to make sure the event goes smoothly?

 

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Germar Rudolf: Absolutely! The HolocaustSummit.com website itself, if you were to go there and you go to the very end of the very bottom of the page, it shows the logos of the two companies who are the main sponsors and have officially declared themselves to be sponsors. You know, most actually want to stay anonymous. But there’s also a link that simply says, “Become an AMREC Holocaust Summit sponsor today”, which gets you to the shop of our Holocaust Academy where you can buy sponsorship packages and that actually has several tiers of whatever you want to invest in it. This would be the way to go. So holocaustsummit.com at the very bottom of the page, that’s where you could chip in to cover any costs. Most of us are actually working for free right now and there’s no payment. And FTG Media.com is a sponsor itself and their way of sponsoring is by giving us access to the platform free of charge. We don’t know what happens if, excuse my French, shit hit the fan with all kinds of attempts to shut us down and then we have to come to some more expensive ad hoc solutions to circumvent these things. There’s no way of telling right now!

 

Mark Collett: And one final question. So with it being on a Tuesday, it’s going to be difficult for some people to attend. Obviously it looks like it’s going to be a fascinating day and your lineup is an extremely strong lineup. And it’s rare to have a conference that is that well packed with guests, to start at 9 AM and go all the way through to 6 PM. It’s a big event. So where will this be posted for Replay? Is this going to be up on Odysee? What sort of places will it be available on replay?

 

And as a final sort of additional question, usually with conferences there are some kind of sort of, I don’t know, maybe a brochure, or some kind of physical keepsakes available. Is there any merchandise that people can purchase as well to support the event? So sort of two questions. There will there be sort of a full re-upload of everything? And is the like to commemorate this, any kind of physical merchandise that supporters could also purchase?

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. So to the first question, once the event is over, it’s getting archived on our own website. HolocaustSummit.com will be moved to a folder 2026, and we will have there with posters and a short description, all the contributions listed. You click on it and you will probably have several options. They will be on Rumble and Bitshute and Odysee, and you can pick which platform you want to watch it on. We are probably not going to strain our own server because those platforms are good enough.

 

So this will all be available and the link to that archive will then be of course on the front page, on the home page, prominently displayed. When it comes to merchandise, we just started developing that and if I am not mistaken, … Let me have a quick look where we are with this.

 

The only company right now that actually has a merch contract is Armreg and we are developing, … Now if you were to go to armreg.co.uk as you know, the publishing branch of what we are doing is actually located in the UK. It is located in London. So if you go to armreg.co.uk and share that with the audience or do you want me to share it? Which way is faster?

 

Mark Collett: I’m just doing that myself now.

 

Germar Rudolf: So Armreg.co.uk.

 

Mark Collett: Just bringing that up. There’ll be two seconds. Just give me a couple of seconds just to get that set up. There we go.

 

Germar Rudolf: Okay, now at the top menu you see merch as the third entry. Yeah, click on that’s for merchandise and once that has loaded.

 

Mark Collett: Oh, it has loaded. Sorry, it’s just now I have to share that window as well. Well, just give me a second because it’s a pop out window. So two seconds. It’s weird how that works. Give me a second. Share screen. That’s the one.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, that’s the one, yeah.

 

So if you scroll down a little, we have our various merchandise there’s one for Armreg itself and general stuff and there you see some merchandise. We have a mug and a Tshirt right now that has the announcement of that particular event.

 

Mark Collett: Wonderful.

 

Germar Rudolf: So that’s how to go about it.

 

Now I have still to put that link more prominently on the Holocaust Summit website so people can get there directly. That’s a good point for you to make that and I will make that happen once we’re off here, and I will add that to the site so people can get to the merchandise easily.

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you so much! We do have some Superchats so I’m just going to bring them up two seconds. We actually have a couple that hung over from the other night, so I’ll deal with them quickly. Covenant Soldier gave $10. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Love the show with Rob Rondo. Hail the active clubs.”

 

Thank you so much! Flying Dutchman gave $50.

 

Thank you very much. And said:

 

“Catching up. Happy New Year!”

 

Well, thank you my friend. I’ve actually sent you a message today so you can pick that up on Telegram. Thank you very much. Nationless Nationalist gave $3. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Hope and encouragement to those suffering in silence.”

 

Well, thank you so much! Some Guy 14 gave $10, thank you so much! Said:

 

“Qu huge respect to Mr. Rudolf.”

 

Thank you so much! And Aunt Sally gave $5 and said:

 

“Mark, how likely am I to get my door kicked in for watching this conference?”

 

In the UK you see, one thing I’ll say is like in the UK, if I’m correct, And I’m just getting this sort of as correct as I can. In the UK it isn’t illegal to actually deny the Holocaust or to engage in revisionism, as far as I know.

 

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However, if you were to do so in a way that was seen as insulting or demeaning to people, it would be. So if you were making jokes or if you were saying things which were couched in the way that was meant to be insulting, that may be illegal.

 

However, if you were doing sort of academic work such as what you do, that would be seen in a different light.

 

So I think in the UK this would be legal, but it would be very hard for anyone to get into trouble for simply watching this at home. Would you agree with that?

 

Germar Rudolf: Absolutely! We have, with all the censorship laws we have not a single case where a country has stooped down to the point where they persecute people for just attending, listening and consuming. Even the countries with the harshest policies when it comes to this. That’s Austria and Germany. You can, for instance, you can buy Holocaust sceptical literature that is not illegal if you buy only one copy for your own use. If the government happens to intercept it, they can still destroy it, but they can’t prosecute you for it. The same with attending a conference like this. It is not an offence in any country of the Western world. And when it comes to the UK, case law says you can contest the mainstream Holocaust narrative until you’re blue in the face. What you cannot do is in that context, disparage victims, survivors, martyrs, whatever. So in any way talking ironically, sarcastically, humourously, or in any way that is considered offending toward the survivors, the victims and so forth.

 

Now the company, as I just mentioned, Armreg.co.uk that has published and republished all this material and before that we were actually in the UK since 1996. I was personally, I lived in the UK until 1999. And I started the whole operation there. And it was called Castle Hill Publishers has gone belly up in late 2023, and then we switched over to Amreg. So just a reorganisation basically. Almost at all times been in the UK except for a stretch of one and a half, two years, and we have never been harassed by anyone. So keeping it scholarly, keeping it matter of factly and civilised, as you should, any discourse anyhow, keeps you safe in the UK for now.

 

Anyone attending, when you are in the chat and you make comments in there that can be considered disparaging to jews in general or survivors or descendants and victims of the National Socialist persecution of the jews. And you do that with an account that for some reason, because you set it up that way, allows the authorities to identify you, which would probably not be smart.

 

If you want to go on FTG media or somewhere else, use an ID that doesn’t allow anyone to identify you. And if an email is required, if you want safety, use a burner email or someone, some email that is not officially traceable to you directly.

 

However, if you abstain from making those kind of comments, which I advise under any circumstances, because nasty language doesn’t reflect good on the community and I’m no fan of it. So if you abstain from these kind of comments, you should be good under any circumstances on any place on this planet.

 

It’s different for our presenters. Some of them come from Europe and as I’ve mentioned, when we’re talking about those coming from France, they’re talking about their persecution. They’re not going to make statements on history themselves because we don’t want to get them in trouble. And if we have the question and answer session, I would like the audience also to abstain from questions that corners those French individuals and putting them on the spot, because they need to fly home and don’t want to be arrested. Not fly home, [chuckling] because they are at home! They don’t want to get arrested the next morning or whenever.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, and I want to echo that. I mean, look, I believe it’s very important to talk about the kind of things that we’re talking about tonight. I think it’s important that we discuss things like this.

 

But I also think it’s very important to ensure that we do so in a productive and polite manner. Talking about this kind of stuff in a way that is disparaging or rude or ridiculous, it not only opens you up for arrest, which is a ridiculous position to put yourself in, but it also demeans the seriousness of the topic and it takes what we do out of an academic light.

 

Now, I’m not a revisionist. I talk about revisionism. I have revisionist guests on, but I’m generally speaking somebody who talks about demography and jewish or Zionist power and the way that jewish power affects the Western world. They’re the topics that I mainly specialise in. I do speak to revisionists. I’m interested in it. But obviously, if you are going to get involved in this, my suggestion is that you deal with it in an academic way for your own safety.

 

And also so the topic is held in the high regard that it deserves to be held in. If you’re there sort of cracking jokes and sharing memes and trying to be as edgy as possible, kind of undermines what people like Germar are doing. And there’s an awful lot of revisionists who have suffered greatly at the hands of the authorities over the years. And you don’t want to demean their suffering and their sacrifices.

 

We’ve got a five dollar Superchat from Mr. Smalls 14, who, regardless of what I just said, said:

 

“Germar, is it true you tried to sell soap in Sacramento with Pastor Eli?”

 

That’s obviously one of those jokes. You don’t have to answer that if you don’t wish. No.

 

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Germar Rudolf: Yeah. The UK’s attitude towards Germany is that Germans have no humour. And you need to understand that the chicken has come to roost. The UK, as a winner of the Second World War, has pushed Germany in a situation where Germans can go to prison for jokes. The shortest German joke, do you know what that is?

 

Mark Collett: No, I don’t.

 

Germar Rudolf: The German word for joke is “witz”. Okay. The shortest German joke is “Ausch-witz”.

 

Mark Collett: [uncertain laughter from Mark]

 

Germar Rudolf: That gets you in prison in Germany.

 

Mark Collett: Indeed, indeed.

 

Germar Rudolf: So Germans don’t have humour because they have to watch their back. And they had to watch their backs for centuries. The Nazis didn’t invent book burning and the current government didn’t invent censorship laws. Germany has been under the stranglehold in the medievals of the Holy Inquisition, the worst of all European countries. So it has been bred into the German and out of the Germans to make certain jokes. Jokes live from the tension of putting things together that are not quite acceptable, talking seriously about them. So you package them. And that is exactly the attempt that this fellow has been doing, pushing the envelope into the not quite acceptable. But making this joke.

 

And that has become a crime in Germany and in borderline areas, has always been. And now in the UK, people are getting in trouble for showing sarcasm, irony and so forth in that context. If and when jokes become punishable by law, you stop laughing! And I take that opportunity to make that clear. These kind of jokes. Make them when you’re sitting in the bar, but don’t make them publicly.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, I want to sort of echo this is a serious point. So I actually believe that when it comes to comedy, when it comes to humour, when it comes to making a joke, really nothing should be off limits.

 

And once you start making certain things off limits, it’s very easy to make anything and everything off limits. So then you get sort of the Edinburgh Fringe voting the joke of the year as “Why did the chicken cross the road?” Because no one’s allowed to actually joke about anything else.

 

And I think it was Jimmy Carr who made the remark, a famous British comedian, who made the remark that:

 

“He’s probably already made the joke that will get him one day cancelled and ruin his career.”

 

And that’s how it is, because we constantly see the mainstream media, liberals, sort of fans of censorship, spending hours, if not days, if not in some cases weeks, trawling through people’s back catalogue of streams, tweets, Facebook posts, searching for something that they can find offensive in order to cancel someone, or worse still, get them arrested. And I find this very interesting because I’ve wrestled with this myself. People might say:

 

“Well, look, Mark, I came to your shows and I’ve now watched 200 hours of them and I found these three things offensive.”

 

And my question would be, if you came to the shows of Britain’s leading ethno-nationalists, and you were looking to find something offensive, is that really my fault? You know, I’m not out there saying it in the street. I’m not shouting it through a megaphone into people’s faces. I’m hosting a show. People come to the show, they know what they’re gonna get when they come to the show. This isn’t something that’s being broadcast to every car and home and workplace in the UK. You come here and you seek this out, knowing that you’re going to get a discussion about things relating to our cause.

 

And I think the people going out of their way to dig things up on people and to, it’s like Germar’s conference. If you were to go there and to record everything that was said and watch it in detail, taking notes, looking to find something offensive, that kind of defeats the object of watching the conference in the first place or attending the conference in the first place, because you’re not going there in good faith and then finding it offensive by accident. You’re going there on purpose to look for a reason to be offended so that you can then report it.

 

And this is one of the widespread problems in the West that people, the people who claim they don’t want to be offended will go out of their way and go to great lengths in order to be offended, or so they can claim that they were offended in order to report people to the authorities, which is just essentially a charter for censorship, allowing this to happen. But I do always ask people to be respectful, to exercise caution, not to use racial stuff.

 

As I said to all my guests, you know, please abide by sensible rules so that we are always the polite academic group that talk about things in a sensible manner.

 

And one thing that impresses me with Germar both times I’ve had him on is the way he can speak so fluently and in such a way that I think it would be impossible for anyone to find him offensive unless they were going out of their way to do. Optics prime gave $5. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“This man is a national treasure. Thank you for your work, good sir.”

 

Well, thank you for that Superchat. Lars Aerback with AE, gave $15.

 

Thank you so much! He said:

 

“A positive story from Denmark today. Our Supreme Court acquitted a man for hosting a site with racist jokes. Old fashioned holocaust jokes amongst them. The case has been through all three courts and has been going for over six years. This is a win for freedom of speech!”

 

Well, that is certainly good news from Denmark, and I hope to see more.

 

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Germar Rudolf: Denmark? Regarding Denmark?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Germar Rudolf: Oh that’s good! Yeah. Denmark has been a stronghold in all those years. Some German holocaust sceptics and historical sceptics actually fled to Denmark and found refuge there over the past four, five, six decades.

 

Mark Collett: And I’d like to say as well, big thank you to Malibu and Coke for gifting 10 subs to the channel.

 

And as I always say, those who accepted the gifted subs. It would mean a great deal to me if you kept them up. You know, $5 a month means very little to most people, but if I had four or five hundred people every month subbing my channel, it would take a lot of weight off my mind at the beginning of every month.

 

And that’s the end of the Superchat so I’m going to bring the stream to a close now. You’ve been a wonderful guest as ever! The advert for the conference has been excellent and again you’ve done most of the heavy lifting tonight and most of the speaking, but is there anything you’d like to say as a final thought before we wrap things up?

 

Germar Rudolf: Not much more than holocaustsummit.com! So the ultimate link will be streaming and that can change any minute depending on what happens, will be posted there there. If you submit your email, you’ll get it also in an email. And I hope we all see you there! And we are going to build a new community that gets stronger by the day!

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you so much!

 

I’d like to thank Germar for being here. He’s a courageous guy. He’s a very good speaker. We have interviewed him in full before. If you want to watch that interview, it is in my previous videos. Go and watch it. It’s well worth watching. It’s a two hour special, that one where we talk about Germar’s personal journey, what he’s been through, the incredible repression he’s faced and his incredible journey in his life. Please do that and also support his event, support his work. He’s a really nice guy. It was really kind of him to come on here tonight and he’s been, as always, the perfect guest.

 

I’d like to remind you all that I will be back on Sunday with the ladies from Return to the Land. That’s three housewives, mothers and home-schoolers from Return to the Land talking about women in nationalism and their roles as mothers and homemakers and educators. So that’ll be an interesting stream. Please join me then 7 PM UK time on Sunday for that. Until then, if you’re out doing activism at the weekend, please be safe, stay within the law and know your rights. And until Sunday, have a great evening, have a great weekend and I’ll see you all again soon.

 

Thank you to Germar, thank you to everyone who donated so generously. And as always, thank you to this wonderful community for supporting us, for supporting these shows and for supporting the good work of my guests. Thank you everyone. I love you all. Have a great weekend. Good night.

 

 

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Mark Collett
1 day ago
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Valkyria81
1 day ago
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The Bee Sting
1 day ago
Wooden doors?

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Alice1488
1 day ago
Watching replay. I’ve never heard this brave intelligent man speak before.

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Sir Trancealot
1 day ago
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Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
14 Night all!

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@Aunt-Sally
1 day ago
Thank you Mark and Germar

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@noreplacement
1 day ago
Thank you Germar

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@noreplacement
1 day ago
One day Mark and Laura will be presenting a day time TV show. With guests like Monika Scheafer

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yes dear
1 day ago
2mm glass and a wooden door, no in/out pipes.

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@RonP1
1 day ago(edited)
This HMD is getting more unbearable with each year that passes. For starters, they start talking about it in the media a week or two before the actual day, that’s without all the other propaganda being inflicted on the public all year long. What a sick world we live in where a vile group, with the help of its puppets, think it is their God-given right to teach young minds of British children a load of old BS.
As Arnold Leese said..
“Fascism holds that education up to 14 is a half-measure with attendant
evils nearly as great as its benefits. It produces a population which can
read but which has not learned to think, and is accordingly open to every
kind of evil suggestion or lie, readily disseminated in print.”
Less

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@noreplacement
1 day ago
Britons will not have humour for much longer. Just look at the liberal boneheads we have for “so called” comedians.

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@tuer
1 day ago
the jews ethnically replacing their liberators in europe and america should be the eye opener gaza is

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@Evola19
15 hours ago
That is a misunderstanding of history – the jews have been at war with Europeans their entire existence. WWII was a gentile uprising put down by other gentiles – no jews were “liberated” from anything, they won WWII and were still surrounded white Europeans whom they hate. Not for much longer though.

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yes dear
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God Bless Kamerades x

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@BritishGammon
1 day ago
Sophie Duker can “joke” about killing White folks on the BBC and the police took no action

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yes dear
1 day ago
Jailed for physically explaining how high his dog could jump!

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yes dear
1 day ago
holes in the roof and chimney built after surrender

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@nationless8nationalist
12 hours ago
Just figure all subscriptions giving a mere 12 dollars a year. 192000 dollars in a year. Do not get frustrated and be overwelled. We can help our activists.

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jm
20 hours ago
Problem: if you order a book when you live in EU, you have to pay a lot in douane rights -I ordered a book from Antilope Hill from Irving en had tot pay MORE in charges and taxes than the book itself…

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yes dear
1 day ago
One People

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Echo_Harp
1 day ago
Thanks.

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Valkyria81
1 day ago
hi from denmark

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yes dear
1 day ago
Im looking forward to wearing my Flecktarn next week

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Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
“I said to him, ‘Simon, you are telling a lie,’”

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yes dear
1 day ago
God Bless Ursula x

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Skyler Durden
11 hours ago
I have Germar’s encyclopedia.

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Through it, not around it
13 hours ago
WTF is Germar promoting FTJMedia? That site is cringy basement soy larper central. It is the complete antithesis of Germar and represents everything he tries to distance himself from.

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@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
just missed it

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Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@ForKamerade
wot???

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yes dear
1 day ago
British gammon, Turncoat Dlive Traitor lol

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Valkyria81
1 day ago
ive just found out. and im out… so sad im beeing missing this

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Echo_Harp
1 day ago
“Found 3 things of offensive stuff” sounds like a joke in its own…

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yes dear
1 day ago
Not long Enough Valk!

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Valkyria81
1 day ago
how long do u continue this chat tonight?

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yes dear
1 day ago
\0

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Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@BritishGammon
you can say anything as long as you can make the cops run away showing up at your house.

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Secure the future of our people
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@ForKamerade
o/

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yes dear
1 day ago
Thanks Merkal, Congratulations Kalugi

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yes dear
1 day ago
Only in Deutschland 2026!

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@noreplacement
1 day ago
The state can easily spin revisionism into anything they want

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yes dear
1 day ago
Will look, Thank you

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Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
https://www.timesofisrael.com/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians/

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yes dear
1 day ago
Scientific & Engineering Impossibility

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yes dear
1 day ago
How dare you question history, Its got Laws protecting it Because Truth needs Laws or you go straight to the Gulag Goy

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@Aunt-Sally
1 day ago
Good evening folks

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Sir Trancealot
1 day ago
Evening gents

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Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@SublimeBraid
gassing 6 million jews and fighting a two front war at the same time?

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Tomigun
19 hours ago
They decoded the Germans’ Enigma in 1941, yet didn’t intercept ANY message about a “holocaust” or “final solution” carried out.

SublimeBraid
1 day ago
the risks of multitasking, lol

yes dear
1 day ago
Dragged out, “One by One” LOL

danzimmons
1 day ago
it’s all of them.

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
odysee chat ded?

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
evening all

@Aunt-Sally
1 day ago
I don’t blame his wife, they’d probably take their child away somehow

yes dear
1 day ago
test

yes dear
1 day ago
LOL

yes dear
1 day ago
110,000 at most

yes dear
1 day ago
Guten Abend Kamerades!

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@nationless8nationalist
13 hours ago
thank you comrade.

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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Thomas Sewell: So it is a fact that White people are being replaced in Australia and around the Western world. This is not a fact that’s disputed, although it may be referred to as a “conspiracy theory” by those that are actually performing this action. And the people that are responsible for it, the media, the government, the banking system, and especially the academics, who say that it’s happening and not happening simultaneously, because they’re psychopaths, these people are all very gleefully happy about the passing of a new law here in Australia that defines the opposition to White genocide as “hate” or as a “hate group”.

 

Now, obviously it’s perfectly reasonable to hate the idea of your own people being genocided, and to hate the people that are doing it. If someone hates you, it’s perfectly reasonable that you would also hate them in return. Unless, of course, you’ve got a moral structure where you believe in loving everyone, even though even those that wish harm upon you, which each their own. Some people think like that.

 

But the average person is not okay with what’s happening, and why people in Australia and around the world are rightfully upset and frustrated that their government is actively replacing them. It is a form of genocide, to bring about conditions that replace one group of people with another, whether accidentally or not.

 

And in our case it is certainly not accidental. It is a purposeful action, and they call it “diversity” and “multiculturalism”. You know, all this.

 

But it’s important that despite these laws being put in place, it’s really important that White people in Australia still continue advocating for the interests of White people. They just may have to do it differently.

 

It’s really important that we continue to raise awareness of White genocide, although we might have to do it differently. And you hear the expression:

 

“Nothing can stop an idea whose time has come.”

 

And the truth ultimately is like a sword. The truth itself can Pierce through any amount of lies! You can be fed lies your whole life. And when you come across the truth, if you’re a good person, it should immediately resonate with you.

 

So don’t lose hope, don’t be pessimistic about what’s happening. It’s not the end of the show. It simply means that the government has exposed itself as an even more tyrannical anti-White machine than it previously ever did. And this ultimately will polarise more White Australians against the government and their agenda.

 

So keep up the good work, keep mounting pressure on the system. Just do it in a way that you won’t be going to jail for 15 years! It’s important that everyone reads this legislation and doesn’t fall victim to it.

 

And lastly, I want to remind everyone that what our enemies are doing to us, they will ultimately be on the receiving end of it. So any legislation that they’re passing to try to destroy resistance to White genocide, that same legislation, or potentially even stronger legislation will be ultimately passed in the future to ensure that those that are perpetrating White genocide are punished fairly. So abide by the law at all times.

 

Have a nice day!

 

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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Jacob Hersant: So this is a video where I’m going to explain this new Bill that the Australian government is bringing out in the wake of the Bondi shooting where two Islamists went and shot a bunch of jewish people. And the jewish lobby has pressured the government to bring out these really extreme laws which practically nobody is happy about, really. Only the jews are really happy. Labor Party obviously draughted these laws on behalf of the jewish lobby. But everyone else seems pretty annoyed about it, so I’ll go through it. I haven’t seen any videos that comprehensively go through what the Bill says and what is so egregious and why it’s problematic. So I’ll do that in this video.

 

First I’ll give a disclaimer that I’m not a lawyer. No lawyer has gone through and talked about all of this stuff. So unfortunately I’m the best that you have. The only reason I’m interested in it is because it’s going to be affecting me and my organisation, the National Socialist Network. So that’s why I’m making this video.

 

I’ll be providing photos of the Exposure draught as I read it. I’ll also show the link so you can go read it yourself to make sure that I’m not misinterpreting it or I’m not making any mistakes. If I’m making a mistake, please message me, tell me how I’m wrong in my interpretation, and I’ll be happy to retract what I said and correct it for people, because I just want to try to give an honest assessment of what this law is and the effects it will have on society.

 

So this is a massive bill, they call it an Omnibus Bill. It is going to change a lot of things.

 

So a lot of its about to do with criminal law and hate speech. But it also does have some gun stuff. Not going to talk about the gun stuff because I don’t know much about guns. And this video is just going to be too long. I’m more interested and know more about the politics aspect of it and the hate crimes and hate speech and that aspect of it.

 

So that’s what I’m going to be talking about. I’m sure there’s someone that can talk about the gun aspect of it and in all likelihood the two are going to be split. The gun stuff will probably be chucked into its own Bill and the hate stuff will be bundled in its own bill.

 

I’m going to start off by talking about what this law does regarding hate and what they call “violent extremism, hate speech, hate crimes” and all the like. It’s all doublespeak. The bill’s called “Combating Anti-semitism, Hate and Extremism Bill 2026”. So in the title, they don’t even hide who it’s for. Obviously, on behalf of the jewish lobby, they’re the only ones that support this law currently. And because they have an outsized influence over Australia’s politics, that’s why this egregious Bill has even been introduced.

 

Part One is “Aggravated offences for preachers and leaders”.

 

So this just goes into the Criminal Code and it makes it so that there’s a bunch of laws where if a person is a religious official, or a spiritual leader, while they commit the offence, they can be imprisoned for longer. So it aggravates it makes the judge give them a more severe sentence. And the charges specifically are to do with encouraging violence and encouraging terrorism and all these kind of charges.

 

So when you look at the Bill here, it doesn’t specify what the crimes are, but those crimes are basically advocacy of violence and advocacy of terrorism. If this Bill passes, if you are an imam, or a priest [or rabbi?] or some other spiritual leader of a religion, you can be punished more because you advocate violence. So that’s part one.

 

And then I’ll move down to Part Six, bundled part six with part one, because it’s the same kind of thing, the same kind of change there. And it’s just for when these spiritual leaders, the charges are when you’re trying to get a young person, someone under 18, to commit violence as well. And more or less the same thing, though it is in a different section of the bill. They have changed the penalty to a person might commit an aggravated offence if the person is a religious official or other spiritual leader.

 

So in terms of grooming children for violence or for advocating terrorism or inciting violence against a particular group, if you are some sort of spiritual leader, religious official, you can be punished more severely. This is obviously going after Muslims. This is to punish Muslims more severely if they’re caught saying stuff about Israel and Palestinian resistance against Israel. This is pretty obviously what this is directed towards.

 

So Part Two is there’s increased penalty for using a postal or similar service to menace, harass or cause offence. And that’s been increased to five years in jail. So that’s what Joel Davis has been charged with and he’s still being remanded now. I think it’s been two months or maybe even more.

 

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So Part Three is “Aggravated sentencing factor”. And this affects the Crimes Act 1914. And it basically makes it so all criminal offences can be aggravated by being racist. So if you commit a crime because you’re racist, you can be punished more severely by the judge.

 

Read out the specific part:

 

“The person’s conduct constituting the offence was motivated, whether wholly or in part, by hatred of another person, or a group of persons, and that hatred was because of the person’s belief that the target person or persons in the target group are distinguished by race or national or ethnic origin.”

 

So theoretically, if somebody raped a woman because he hated that woman’s race or nation or ethnicity, he can be punished more severely than somebody who rapes a woman for choice and noble reasons, like lust or hatred of some other kind.

 

Every single crime now, if you can be proven to be a racist, you get punished more severely. That’s basically what this aggravated sentencing factor is if the crime you commit is motivated by hate, well, racism or nationalism, then you can be punished more severely. That’s what this change means.

 

But basically every crime can be turned into a hate crime, essentially. So if you assault or rape or murder, then it can aggravate it if it’s proven that you’re a racist.

 

So Part Four is “Prohibited hate group”. And a prohibited hate group is a designation that the Home Affairs Minister can give out. So the current Home Affairs Minister right now is Tony Burke, for the Labor Party. This legislation allows the government to ban particular organisations. It can ban organisations, it can unban them as well, and they can add multiple names to a ban.

 

So if you ban an organisation, you can’t just rename it because that’s going to be banned as well. They’re just going to add it as an alias. So you can’t just get around the ban by rebranding.

 

So to be designated a prohibited hate group, that group has to have committed a “hate crime”. And they define what a hate crime is so here it is. 1 14. A. So definition of a hate crime:

 

“A hate crime is conduct that would constitute any of the following offences. Urging or threatening violence and offences against groups or members of groups to the extent that the targeted group is distinguished by race or national or ethnic origin.”

 

So either:

 

“Publicly displaying prohibited symbols or giving a Nazi salute.”

 

So a hate crime can either be threatening violence or it can be publicly displaying prohibited symbols, like the swastika or giving the Nazi salute. And then here it says:

 

“A hate crime is also conduct that was engaged in at a time before a provision referred to in subsection (1) commenced and would constitute an offence against the provision had the provision been in force at that time.”

 

What this means is that you don’t have to have committed a hate crime after this legislation passed. If you’ve given the Roman salute or you’ve displayed a swastika, as your group, then you’ve committed a hate crime and you can be listed as a hate organisation. So you can be punished retroactively. I will further explain this, but make no mistake, being listed as a hate organisation is a punishment in itself. So the process is the punishment!

 

And you got to remember, a hate crime can be just political expression, like flying the swastika or moving your arm in a gesture in a Nazi salute. That is political expression. And if you just do that, you can be banned for being an organisation that gives the Roman salute. So you can be banned for retroactive conduct.

 

This is insane, because laws aren’t supposed to be retroactive. Non-retroactivity is a fundamental legal principle. That law should only apply to actions occurring after the law was enacted, not before, preventing new laws from punishing past behaviour.

 

Everyone just takes that for granted. But when you have the jewish lobby demanding laws, they really don’t care about what we take for granted, obviously.

 

For banning an organisation, a conviction is not required. So:

 

“A person does not need to have been convicted of a hate crime in order for the AFP minister (which is the Home affairs guy, so Tony Burke) to be satisfied, an organisation has engaged in conduct of a kind mentioned in paragraph one.”

 

And then there is:

 

“No procedural fairness required. The AFP minister (so Tony Burke) is not required to observe any requirements of procedural fairness in deciding whether or not the AFP Minister is satisfied for the purposes of this section.”

 

So basically that means the people that are affected by the banning, so say the National Socialist Network was banned, we get no hearing, no say, no chance to respond, no recourse, no explanation about what’s happening. You’re just basically told:

 

“Tough luck! Like, enjoy being banned!”

 

So yeah, you get no hearing, you get no way to explain yourself or try to defend yourself in front of a judge or anything like that. And that’s what they’ve written right here, “no procedural fairness required”. Which is another legal principle that the jewish lobby don’t care about. They don’t care about what’s called natural justice or procedural fairness.

 

So:

 

“Director-General of Security advice to be provided before specifying an organisation as a prohibited hate group.”

 

So Mike Burgess has to give advice to Tony Burke or the Director General of Security has to give advice to the AFP minister and he has to be satisfied that:

 

“The organisation has engaged in activities, and that the activities or the like, the continued engagement in the activities would or are likely to increase the risk of politically motivated violence or of the promotion of communal violence.”

 

You have to use your intelligence here and think about what they’re saying. Obviously the logic that people like Mark Burgess are going to say is that because you’re engaging activities like giving the Roman salute that those activities are going to make it more likely that people go do terrorism.

 

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So that’s what it’s saying and that’s what’s going to be argued. So if this Bill passes, Mike Burgess is gonna go tell Tony Burke:

 

“Well, yeah, giving the Roman salute makes it more likely that terrorism is going to happen in the future. They need to be banned!”

 

If Mike Burgess thinks that giving the Roman salute, giving the Hitler salute and saying “Heil Hitler” and wearing black clothes makes it more likely that someone is going to go out and blow up something or kill a bunch of people, well then your organisation gets banned.

 

So that’s what happens. So they can list an organisation. And when an organisation gets listed, then it opens up people to be charged with a number of offences that relate to that prohibited hate group.

 

Those offences are:

 

“Directing the activities of a prohibited hate group.”

 

Which can get you 15 years in jail.

 

“Membership of a prohibited hate group.”

 

And you have to keep in mind that being a member of an organisation you can be an informal member of the organisation and you can be charged with this because they define member of a prohibited hate group as:

 

“A member of an organisation includes a person who is an informal member of the organisation and a person who has taken steps to become a member of the organisation. And in the case of an organisation that is a body corporate, a director or an officer of the body corporate.”

 

So if you’re in so-called informal member of an organisation, you can be charged. So:

 

“Membership of a prohibited hate group”, 7 years.

 

“Recruiting for a prohibited hate group”, 15 years.

 

“Training involving a prohibited hate group”, 15 years.

 

“Getting funds to, from or for a prohibited hate group”, 15 years.

 

“Providing support to a prohibited hate group”, 15 years.

 

And most of these offences have a lower offence if you’re convicted for one of them while being reckless rather than, I guess knowingly doing it. So being reckless means that you’re aware of a substantial risk that you’re doing the crime, and it changes like the imprisonment from like 15 years to 10 years if you’re only proven to have recklessly done it.

 

And the only defenses that you have are either you didn’t do the crime or you were a government agent when you were doing the crime. So if you’re some sort of informant or secret agent infiltrating a hate organisation then you have a defence, but otherwise you have no defence.

 

This legislation is obviously directed towards having a chilling effect on advocacy and activism of organisations outside of the mainstream. That’s obvious.

 

And you gotta remember that there is no procedural fairness. The fact that your organisation gets banned and then you have 15 years hanging over your head, that’s the punishment!

 

And obviously having your rights taken away that you can’t politically associate or politically express yourself in that particular way, that’s the punishment!

 

And I’ll go off on a little bit of a tangent here. In my case, the Roman salute case that was brought against me in the Magistrates Court for which I was convicted and then I appealed. Went to the county court and was had had the conviction against me upheld. They argued that the Roman salute offences are very narrow and hence it could be justified taking away that form of political expression. They did admit it was political expression but they said they could take it away because it was relatively narrow what it was.

 

Well you know, now it’s having very serious consequences because that offence, giving a slew has been recategorized as a “hate crime” and it can be used to retroactively ban a organisation like a 300 man organisation and threaten its leaders with 15 year sentences if they continue. A lot of the judiciary get too focused. They get narrow minded, they don’t understand like how dangerous these laws you give them an inch, they’re going to take a mile. And this legislation is taking a mile. It is insanity! Also vindictiveness! Like I don’t know how it could occur to you to have a maximum of 15 years for some of these charges when you can be prohibited as a hate group because you moved your arm in a particular way that offends the jews!

 

And another case that I saw on the news today actually funnily enough was someone who’s been charged with threatening to kill the Prime Minister Anthony Albanese. And the charge for which he’s been charged, threatening to kill an MP is a maximum of five years.

 

So you get a maximum of five years for threatening to kill an MP. If you direct the activities of a prohibited hate group. A prohibited hate group that gave the Roman salute. You can be in prison for 15 years. That sounds perfectly reasonable!

 

So Part Five is “Racial vilification offence”. And this offence is:

 

“Publicly promoting or inciting hatred. A person commits an offence if the person engages in conduct in a public place.”

 

And to be clear, the Internet includes a public place.

 

Basically everywhere is a public place except for inside your own home where it can’t be seen by the public. But the Internet counts, as is sending it through the mail, some sort of business, or out on the street or something like that. All counts as a public place.

 

So the conduct is:

 

“Promote or incite hatred of another person, or a group of persons because of their race, colour, or national or ethnic origin, or disseminate ideas of superiority over or hatred of another person, or a group of persons because of the race, colour, or national or ethnic origin of the target or target group. And the conduct would, in all the circumstances, cause a reasonable person who is the target, a member, or a member of the target group to be intimidated, to fear harassment or violence, or to fear for their safety.”

 

And they call the “reasonable person test” as an objective test, but really it just comes down to the judge to decide who a reasonable person is, to describe who the reasonable person is so really, it isn’t actually a objective test. It’s just a subjective test. Like, it comes down to what the judge thinks. It’s not like there’s any empirical data about who this average person is based on polling or anything. It just comes down to the judge, who he thinks, he or she thinks this reasonable person of the group of a particular ethnic or racial group is.

 

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And obviously you can be charged here with a criminal offence if you:

 

“Disseminate ideas of superiority over a group of persons because of their race, colour, national or ethnic origin.”

 

So you can’t say that particular nations are better than other nations. So if you say “Australia is better than China”, well, you could be charged. You could be charged with this. I’m not saying that that’s likely to happen, but with what this law says, I’m somebody who is disliked by the government. If I said that “Australia is a better society, Australia is a better nation than China”, well, that’s disseminating an idea of superiority over a group of persons because of their national origin. Maybe I could say that and someone feels intimidated or they feel fearful. And the issue is, there’s so many people in this society that feel intimidated or fear from the littlest things. We’ve become a very soft society. And judges love to rule based on sentimentality when it comes to these things! And you can be imprisoned up to five years for publicly promoting or inciting racial hatred. Yeah!

 

So:

 

“For the purposes of subsection 1, it is immaterial whether the target or members of the target group actually are distinguished by the particular race, colour, or national or ethnic origin, or the conduct actually results in hatred of another person or group of persons, or the conduct actually results in any person feeling intimidated, feeling harassment or violence, or feeling fearing for their safety.”

 

So what that says is that they don’t have to prove that any person of that particular race or nation or ethnicity was present and kind of a target of it. They don’t have to prove that hatred was actually kind of incited in somebody. They don’t need to prove that anyone was intimidated, felt harassed, or feared for their safety. None of that actually has to be proven because a judge can come up with this magical, reasonable person of that group, this imaginary person, and say:

 

“This person has been targeted. This imaginary person has been targeted. It could potentially have led to hatred being incited in other people and it could have potentially intimidated or made someone, this imaginary person, fear for their life.”

 

At least you have a defense here for religious teaching or discussion:

 

“Subsection (1) does not apply to conduct that consists only of directly quoting from or otherwise referencing a religious text for the purpose of religious teaching or discussion.”

 

So this is lucky for our Muslim friends who can quote directly from that Hadith saying that the stones and the trees are going to tell them where the so the Muslims are safe in that regard, and so they should be.

 

“Part 7. Hate symbols – Reversing the burden of proof for public interest elements of prohibited symbols offences.”

 

So it means that there’s already these hate symbol laws. So if you display a hate symbol or you display the swastika or give the Roman salute, there were defenses saying that you could do these things as long as there was a public interest like a religious, academic, educational, artistic, literary or scientific purpose that isn’t contrary to the public interest.

 

And previously the prosecution would have to prove themselves that this hate symbol or the salute wasn’t given for one of those legitimate purposes. So it’s been flipped now, that if you display this a symbol or give the salute or anything like that, then you can be charged. And then you have to prove that you did it for a legitimate purpose, like a religious, academic, educational, artistic, literary or scientific purpose.

 

And so basically this gets rid of the presumption of innocence, and so it makes it easier for the prosecution to charge people and drag them through the courts. Because if you post a picture of Hitler with the swastika, you can be charged. They don’t need to prove that you did it for hateful reasons. Actually you need to prove that you didn’t do it for hateful reasons.

 

So that’s what it literally does. It reverses the burden of proof. An example would be if I posted a photo of Hitler next to the swastika. I can be charged easier because the prosecution doesn’t have to prove that I posted it for a hateful purpose. I have to defend myself in court and say, perhaps I posted it for an academic purpose or to teach or something like that.

 

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The other thing is the prohibited hate group symbols are added to the criminal offences. So it’s not only just terrorist symbols and the swastika and the Roman salute. So if NSN got banned, the converging arrows, for example, the converging arrows, flag or the patch, you’d be able to be charged with displaying that.

 

These laws also have a minimum one year in jail. So a judge has to give you a year in jail if you’re convicted of this.

 

I’ve went through all the hate speech stuff in this Bill with you. I think it’s clear that the people that wrote this Bill don’t care about the basic legal principles that are supposed to underpin the whole of our judicial system, like natural justice, presumption of innocence, freedom of speech, freedom of association, proportionality. Non-retroactivity.

 

So what has been the response? One Nation has come out opposing it, which is good for them. The Liberal Party have come out opposing it as well, but they’ve said that they want to come up with their own version of it, which I suggest would be far more watered down than this, which would be good.

 

But these laws don’t need to be passed. There are laws that stop people. Well, that criminalises terrorism. It’s not like the person who went and shot those people in Bondi is at liberty because there’s a fault in the laws. He’s going to spend the rest of his life in jail. Changing the laws isn’t going to fix any of this. It’s going to make it worse!

 

The real danger isn’t what we have to do to apparently solve “hate”. The problem is what are we going to do to solve the fact that we have a government that wants to destroy all the principles that are supposed to underpin our judicial system because they don’t like particular groups, opposition groups in society, whether they be National Socialist or Islamist.

 

The response from the entire online Right has been very positive. Like everyone is raging about this, like it’s all that anyone is talking about in the Australian Right-wing now. Everyone has come out against it.

 

We have the Home Affairs Shadow Minister, this guy, the dishonourable Jonathan Duniam, some total nobody no one’s ever heard of or cares about. And he was mocking the National Socialist Network for us, saying that this Bill is draconian.

 

Jonathan Duniam:

 

“Of course they cite in that statement that these laws ‘most draconian in the universe, making freedom of speech impossible, etc, etc’. Clearly they’ve seen this identification of formal groupings and hate group listing etc., as something to try and avoid, which is good in one sense.”

 

And then I think he went and checked the Internet and saw that everyone else was saying it as well and then he changed his positions.

 

What’s the response been from the Muslims? The Muslim response has been good. They’ve been coming out against it and you know, they shouldn’t be banned. There’s been like arguments that the problem with these laws is it doesn’t come out hard enough against Islam. These laws shouldn’t be passed at all! Even if they were going to be just confined to Muslims. These laws need to be opposed. We don’t need to ban any of these Muslims organisations. Now just because two Muslims went and killed 15 people, it doesn’t mean that we have to destroy the judicial system that governs 27 million people. Like the threat is not these two Muslim terrorists killing 15 people, it’s the Commonwealth that is unnecessarily going to destroy all of our freedoms. Proposing this supposed solution that’s not even going to do anything. It’s not going to do anything to stop terrorism.

 

And then we saw fat Ross who runs the White Rose Society, she’s an anti-fascist. She described it as “state oppression”. I think you’re right there for once. And then Socialist Alternative came out against it. Their front group for Palestine. So they’ve got a group they use to organise Palestinian activists. They came out against it, so good on them.

 

Jews say it doesn’t go far enough. To be expected. I don’t think I need to comment much more on that.

 

Mainstream media has largely came out against it as well. They’ve been publishing voices that come out against it. They haven’t really been publishing any voices that go for it other than the jews. And everyone, when it comes down to it, everyone hates this Bill other than the jews. And luckily I don’t think it’s gonna pass.

 

And the Greens have come out against it. But they said they might be open to just amending it. But I’m not sure how likely that actually is. But wouldn’t it be just a perfect summation of how stupid and disgusting this country is, if after a Muslim terrorist attack in Bondi they draughted these laws which go to severely persecute and oppress National Socialists and Islamists, if the Greens amended it so that it didn’t go after Islamists and then it only affected National Socialists! So White Australians and National Socialists would be the only ones who get punished for an Islamist terrorist attack. Stranger things have happened. That sounds like something the Commonwealth would do. And that just tells you how reprehensible it is.

 

But in the first place, the fact that we are under threat, the National Socialist Network is under threat from laws that are draughted up from a Muslim terrorist attack says all that it needs to. Why are we getting banned from for an attack that has nothing to do with us? I could at least understand the rationale, even though I’d disagree with it, if some sort of Right-wing or nationalist person went out and shot people, or shot an MP or something like that, I could understand the rationale. But for us to be banned for Muslim terrorism?

 

Yeah, with the Greens and the Coalition coming out against its looking more and more like it’s not going to pass, which is a good thing.

 

Nonetheless, the National Socials Network is disbanding. Some people are disappointed by that. I saw someone on Twitter, or X as it’s now called, said that:

 

“We should be martyrs and that we should continue operations until we get charged with these 15 year offences.”

 

He said:

 

“Just be the martyrs, bro!”

 

Well, perhaps you should do that in my stead. Maybe put on a converging arrows patch, make your own one, dress up in black and go out there, get arrested on our behalf. Just be a martyr, bro!

 

And there’s not going to be any way to get around this. Like they’re not going to be charitable, they’re not going to help you out. If you even slightly do something that could be perceived as continuing the organisation after it gets banned, you’re going to be arrested, charged, remanded and facing serious jail time.

 

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There’s no oversight in terms of whether or not the listing is correct. Like you get listed, it’s a done deal! You go before a judge, if you are genuinely continuing or doing any of those offences, there’s nothing he can do. He has to find you guilty or you go before a jury. And if they find you guilty, then you’re getting punished severely. You’re getting probably half a decade in jail at the very least.

 

And there’s been people on the far-Right who love to engage in victim blaming. So they say:

 

“The only reason this is happening is because the National Socialist Network engages in street activism, dresses up in black, praises Adolf Hitler, gave the Roman salutes in the past.”

 

All of that kind of hard hitting, confronting street activism. But we’re not the ones that pass these laws. Like agency obviously belongs to the legislature and the people who control the people who run the legislature, so obviously the jewish lobby.

 

So if anyone is to blame for these laws, it’s not the groups that are being banned. And it’s being done in response to these two Muslim shooters in Bondi. But it’s not even their fault. It’s not the fault of Muslim preachers, it’s not the fault of National Socialist activists. And this is the thing. It’s taking the blame away from the actual agent that has perpetrated this, who has created this, and it’s pushing it on the people who are getting targeted and who are going to suffer the most from these laws.

 

The real blame is the jewish lobby and the Australian government. That is why these laws are coming through. The people that push for them, the people who wrote them up and the people that passed them. But the issue is even if we had better optics, these laws would still be being brought through and we would still be under threat of getting banned. And this has been proven by other countries where you have groups like Generation Identity in France that got banned by the French state. I don’t think anyone’s gonna argue that their optics were an issue. Their optics were pretty tame, yet they got banned.

 

So whatever represents the strongest force of nationalism in a particular country, the jewish lobby and the government is going to try to legislate them out of existence. That’s what’s going to happen. And if we were the Nationalist Network and we didn’t wear black clothes and we just wore regular clothes, I guess regular bourgeois clothes, maybe suits and ties and had said “Australia for the Australians”, if we were the biggest group, we would still be getting banned. That’s the truth!

 

In this regard, all roads lead to Rome, as I’m sure some of you have seen in the memes recently with the rabbit with its clock. You know, it doesn’t matter which road you go down, you’re eventually going to go to Rome and it doesn’t matter what road you go down when you have an unjust system, you’re eventually going to be banned by it if you’re a big enough threat to its agenda. So you need to stop bargaining with the system when it’s fundamentally unjust.

 

And the optics people, the only thing that would be different in this situation is these optics people, because of their particular ideas of activism, they would just be a bit more sympathetic.

 

But people should stand for principles and ideas and for an actual fair legal system more than just perception and optics, in my opinion.

 

We really don’t need to total our legal system. What angers the government and the jewish lobby is that we have deeply felt political conviction and that we want to do whatever we can to further our political agenda while staying on the right side of the law. So we’re trying to stay within the legal framework while pushing forward our political agenda, what we deeply, deeply believe in. And that is what angers them the most. And it angers them so much that they don’t care about their own rules, they don’t care about their own judicial system, they don’t care about any of this.

 

Of course, the jewish lobby never really cared. It shows you that the people that profess to be liberal Democrats in this government and one of their claims for legitimacy, how little they care about it. They don’t care about their own rules, they don’t care about their own system anymore.

 

And it’s pretty obvious that these people have no respect for the system of government that our ancestors erected at the beginning of the last century. I might have a so-called “violent extremist” opinion here, but I don’t think we should total our legal system. The legal system and the principles underpinning the judicial system of yesteryear, it’s actually one of the things I do like about this country. And they accused me of hating Australia. You know, I don’t hate Australia. I don’t hate the nation, I don’t hate the continent.

 

I do certainly hate the Commonwealth, because a government that cooks up legislation like this is reprehensible!

 

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