Germar Rudolf: Thank you. I need to get my instruments ready here. Now they fall apart. There was a cap to it and somehow that fell off. I apologize for this. All right.

 

I have something positive to say about this country to just attach right to the speech you just heard. And that is the fact that we can do what we do right now in this country. Because in many countries where our ancestors came from, we would not be able to do this! So there’s freedom of speech and freedom of assembly in this country. So there’s something good to say.

 

Also, what I wanted to mention is when it comes to the war against Iran, the Iranians are an Indo-European people. The language is closer to English and German than it is to Arabic. And when we should talk about the victims that this war causes, we should talk about the thousands and thousands of people of Indo-Europeans of Iranian ancestry that are being murdered.

 

Now, my topic today, as you would probably guess, is on Holocaust, because that’s what I’m known for and that’s what I’m good at. Before I do it, I give a little bit of an introduction of who I am. I would assume most of you know, but probably not all.

 

I am a German citizen. I grew up, born in the mid-1960s, grew up in West Germany, had a normal lower middle class upbringing, went to a normal public school, eventually studied chemistry, graduated. And in the process of graduating, I stumbled over that topic, research that had been done here in the United States by an expert in execution technologies who was looking into the gas chamber question and had some chemical arguments which caught my attention. And as a chemist, I couldn’t look away down the rabbit hole I went and never came back.

 

Now, the persecution that has resulted from my activity, because Germany is not a country where free speech and freedom of science, freedom of assembly has led me ultimately to this country. And there’s another good thing. The government has tried hard to keep me out. They actually arrested me. I was married to a US citizen. I had a granted immigrant visa. They arrested and deported me anyhow, with the reason given “no criminal case”. So in violation of that, I ended up in Germany. And Germany, I was put on trial for the research that I had published over the past five years while in exile. And they sentenced me to 44 months in total. And I had to spend that time.

 

Now, I’m not a singular case and I’m not the worst case of what’s going on in Europe.

 

Anyway. I fought my way back. I won in court. What they’d done to me was wrong. It was remedied as much as you can remedy losing five years of your life in prison. Was reunited with my family and I got the status of a permanent legal resident now in this country.

 

So 35 years of research on that topic have a number of years ago raised the question to me, how do I get the message out to the masses? The first 30 years, I would say I was looking for answers myself. I wasn’t sure whether I understood everything and whether I really got this story straight.

 

And then at the end of the 30 year mark, I was pretty sure. And then the idea came up of how do I get the message out now? One way is of course writing something that makes the information accessible. A lot of you actually bought it today from me. So I wrote an encyclopedia because that’s what scholars do all the time.

 

Actually, no, they don’t!

 

But I was in the unique situation that I had this knowledge. 35 years of sitting at the helm at the core of this skeptical, scrutinizing research. And I decided it needs to be done. And in lack of support from others and due to a cataclysmic development in my private life, I had the time to do it and I pulled it off.

 

So we have the knowledge published, we have it concisely presented and made accessible. There is still a step of how do I get people to listen? Because we’re talking about a taboo topic and people don’t want to hear it.

 

You, most of you probably are open minded. Some of you are, almost many I don’t know are convinced already that the mainstream narrative is phony. But we want to reach those who sit on the fence or even on the other side of it. How do we do that? And I want to give you a little bit of a instruction by example of the best approach.

 

[05:23]

 

 

And the best approach you already have seen. Some of you coming by our book stand there seeing those signs here and marveling over these graphics and the information that’s on there.

 

The best approach for the normies into this topic is not talking about lies that they’ve made up like jewish soap. They all have admitted it didn’t happen or lampshades or what. No! What you want to talk to them about is massive violation of civil rights! It’s free speech, is freedom of assembly that doesn’t exist over there. And make them see in concrete examples what that means!

 

When we’re talking about this topic here, people need to realize, every person needs to realize that every historian on this planet to one degree or another, if he wants to write Holocaust historiography or talk about it or write about it, he is doing history at gunpoint.!

 

That’s the only topic in the world right now, more or less on a global scale, where historians are threatened with at least destruction of their career, if not outright prosecution and imprisonment.

 

 

Scholars, not just historians, scholars you can do physics, you can do psychology, you can do any science and you will not get in trouble if you say something that’s controversial. It’s only this one! This particular part in history that gets people in trouble! Even in this country we have free speech. But any historian who touches that is a third rail topic, he will find his career ended.

 

 

This is the map of Europe. You see in red the countries that have outlawed Holocaust skepticism, that have outlawed doubt! Doubt is the core feature of us human beings, that sets us apart from animals who cannot doubt their central input. We can doubt what we see. We can systematically look for the truth and communicate with our fellow humans what the truth is or what we think the truth is, and can even make it independent of ourselves by putting it down encoded so that everyone can see it. That is what sets us apart!

 

And a government that outlaws doubt, outlaws search for truth, outlaws communicating the truth with others, is outlawing humanity! These countries have outlawed humanity! Stalinist Russia, as bad as it was, had no laws that would proscribe the result of any scholarly research in any field by penal law. This is the first in mankind history that we have that the European Union forces members who have not yet passed laws in the European Union to do it or they are threatened with sanctions. Finland just passed earlier this year, the last one, because they said we’re threatened by the EU by some kind of sanctions or measures. And that’s why we introduced that law.

 

 

Now what does that mean? I’ve told you about my 44 months for the research. You can see that there are two books, Chemistry for Auschwitz, if you want to look at it. It’s my original forensic research and lectures on the Holocaust.

 

 

 

Having done what I’m doing right now here to academic audiences in Germany, talking about my research in the calm and academic style led to being sentenced. There were worse cases.

 

 

I want to focus here on Austria. Some of you have looked through a list of all the countries and some are not on this map. Actually, of course, Canada has introduced a law north of us and Australia uses a backdoor way of doing it. And Israel, of course, is the first country that has outlawed skepticism. And there are other countries who use other laws. They twist and tweak in order to send people to prison.

 

[09:23]

 

And in the Arabic world, unfortunately, we should think there should be an open mind there. A lot of governments in the Arabic world are bought by Europe and America and they prosecute dissidents on that topic with extra legal means. They are not democracies under the rule of law, whatever that means. Because in some aspects we are not anymore either. But for them it’s pure arbitrariness.

 

So this is a global thing, a global problem. We just had a censorship hit us, a company in China. We wanted to have merchandise produced with certain slogans on it on Holocaust skepticism. And they pulled a plug. Not even in China they want to do it anymore!

 

 

Austria, the worst case, 20 years! You can go up to 20 years in prison. If you combine it, the skepticism, quote, unquote, “denial” with statements that they interpret as re-engaging in National Socialist activities. If you were, for instance, to argue that the Austrians are just one tribe of the Germans and they should live together with other Germans in Germany, which was a normal thought up to 1945. In the 17th century, 18th century, 19th century, in the 20th century, as the people of Austria always felt. And they were for the longest time the core in the center of Germany. And they got kind of pushed out with Prussia taken over in the late 19th century. And then after the collapse of Prussian Germany and Austria, the Austrian Empire after the First World War, they said:

 

“Okay, we had it, now let’s get reunified.”

 

That was the idea of the Wilson 14 points for the truce to have everyone self-determination. And the Austrians got it denied. And after the war, Second World War, they had special laws enacted if you violate them, up to 20 years. Denial combined with demands for self-determination.

 

 

To put a face to it, Austrian engineer Wolfgang Fröhlich was arrested in the early 2000s for a paper he had written. He’s an expert for disinfestation technology and disinfestation gas chambers. So he knows the technique and compared it to what was said to have been going on in German extermination camp during the war. And said:

 

“That’s technical nonsense, it can’t be!”

 

And he got eventually indicted and put in prison. And he was upset about what they did to him. And he kept writing letters and arguments from within prison, got more and more indictments and got sentenced over and over again! At the end of the day, he spent 16 years in prison for his engineering arguments. And he came out just around Covid, caught Covid and died shortly afterwards.

 

Western politicians complain about Iran or China putting dissidents for four, five, seven years in prison. At the same time they put them for 16 years in prison! That’s the worst case.

 

 

This graph here shows you the initiation of criminal investigation for thought crimes in Germany. Since 1994 some 4, 500, up to the most recent data for, … The year 2025 comes out maybe next month. Getting a little bit of a feedback here. [humming sound] The blue one is Right-wing thought crimes. That’s what we are committing here right now! Okay? Then you have the Left-wing ones. These are usually Antifa communists who make some radical statements about blowing up Parliament or having a communist revolution. And then you have the green ones, foreign religious, that usually means Muslim, Muslim radicals who want to introduce Sharia law or something like that. So for these two cases you really have to make aggressive statements that are not peaceful anymore.

 

Whereas in these cases if you’re just against mass immigration, you say anything critical about the jews, any dissent on the Holocaust, or more recently anything critical about Israel’s policy in Gaza. This is the Gaza escalation that you see.

 

 

Germany has extended their law that they outlaw more and more both by case law and by actually written code. And now this past data we were up to 40,000, 35,000 of them. Stuff that people like we do, like what we argue and talk about. 35,000 initiated criminal investigations does not result in 35,000 people sitting in prison. I want to make that clear. Most people never get caught for the slogan they have sprayed on some wall or sticker they left somewhere. And if for first time offenders, usually it ends up with slap on the wrist. It may just be a summary offense with a fine that has to be paid. And for first time offenders it rarely ends with prison. But then you have the 1 or 2% of these cases that end up actually with prison cases.

 

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Only minority of that is Holocaust skepticism. And I have no numbers, they don’t in their paperwork. This is data based actually on what the German government releases. And they are put proud of it! Because they call themselves a combative, defensive democracy! Okay?

 

So they defend themselves in combating anyone they consider to be an enemy. But they are actually the biggest enemy of democracy. I wouldn’t even call it democracy, but a state under the rule of law that respects human rights that they never get a mirror held against them to look into it because that’s the enemy that caused this kind of persecution.

 

Back to history. This kind of an atmosphere that you have in Europe, in most countries and even in this country where historians don’t go to prison, but immigrants like me, I’m currently constantly on an ejector seat and I can get thrown out any minute if the Trump government so decides, because they don’t respect the law either.

 

 

What effect does it have, actually concrete, on historians? Here you see the lovely face of Wacław Długoborski, Auschwitz survivor who was put in charge, as I say, the Billy goat that was put in charge of the garden. He was put in charge of the Auschwitz Museum’s historical research center. And for many decades he has been that boss. And under his auspices, the lie that 4 million people died at Auschwitz was maintained until the Soviet Union collapsed.

 

Then it did collapse, and they suddenly reduced the number from 4 million to 1 million and said:

 

“Well, we have known it all along.”

 

And then in an interview in 1998, this historian was asked:

 

“Well, why did you lie? Why did you make that up if you knew all along that it was wrong? Why didn’t you correct the number earlier when you knew that it was wrong?”

 

And he basically said:

 

“Well, there was a prohibition in place in the Eastern Bloc in the communist countries that historians who would not toe the party line could be facing.”

 

How he expressed it, “disciplinary measures”.

 

 

What does that mean? You lose your job, you’re getting demoted, you have to become a street sweeper, or a janitor. That’s what that means in these communist planned economies.

 

Ironically, 1998, that’s when he gave the interview. That was the same year Poland, pressured by the European Union, in particular Germany, introduced a law, 1998, that made Holocaust skepticism a crime punishable with up to three years in prison.

 

 

So from communist “disciplinary measures” to Democratic “three years in prison”. What’s worse? I’d take disciplinary measures anytime over prison term. So he said that:

 

“Now we can tell the truth! Back then we couldn’t because we had disciplinary measures. We’ve corrected. Now it’s 1 million. Because you need to believe us, because now we are only threatened with three years!”

 

Any mainstream person who thinks everything is kosher with the Holocaust narrative that we fed now must realize:

 

“Yeah, kosher it may be, it means the jews like it!”

 

But it most certainly doesn’t mean authentic and reliable, because historians who are threatened at gunpoint to write history cannot be trusted! He admits:

 

“We couldn’t be trusted! We have been lying. We knew we were lying. We did it intentionally, but we did so because we were threatened with getting demoted or losing our job!”

 

And now we should believe you when you are threatened with three years, with five years, with six years, with, 20 years! How much more do you need to teach people, to tell people, to realize you can’t trust these people! History at gunpoint does not give you the truth in no section of society!

 

 

So once you have opened up people’s mind and that they realize the dimension of persecution, of suppression, of oppression and the unique nature the Holocaust is unique in terms of the length governments go to and societies go to suppress dissent, to keep complete control over the narrative! Nowhere else in society will you find it. That shows you who is the main beneficiary usually is also the one who pushes most. And it shows you that this is for them the most important topic to keep total control over!

 

Once you have opened people mind:

 

“Something is fishy here! You can’t trust those historians because they have admitted they have lied when they were threatened even less than they are threatened today!”

 

Then we go to the pith, the center of the story. Now I handed it out to you guys, free of charge, a little brochure and I want to go through a few things here that you find actually in the brochure. If this thing is too far away from you, I apologize. But you’ll find some of this in this brochure.

 

[20:08]

 

 

And the first one I’m going to is actually on the last page, the back cover if you wish. You know that thing technically speaking has no back cover. You see a graph there, a bar chart that shows claims of death tolls for the Majdanek camp. Now I would assume that most of you, at least most of normal populace have not heard about the Majdanek! Camp. It’s not anymore a major player in the bigger picture of the Holocaust in terms of mass extermination. It used to be completely different. The Majdanek camp actually was officially called the Lublin camp in central Poland was overrun by the Red Army in July of 1944.

 

So it was first major camp that the Soviets overran. And in a press conference right after the conquest of the camp, and I say “conquest”, the Red Army never liberated anyone! So you will not hear the word “liberation” when it even comes to camps, when it comes to the Red Army.

 

 

So they conquered the camp. In the press conference they claimed 2 million people were murdered there. It was the first big, still doing the war propaganda campaign on extermination, claim that started in August 1944. Big show! With all the world media, invited journalists from everywhere and cameras rolling.

 

 

Now in subsequent events, the Poles later that year still during the war, by the way, December ’44 had a show trial. They claimed 1.7 million. That’s a little bit of a reduction, but they weren’t generous. It’s kind of the same order of magnitude.

 

 

The Soviets then during the International Military Tribunal introduced an expert report. They claimed 1.5 million. Still again, 500,000 difference is not immaterial. But in the bigger picture, looking at it scientifically, it’s kind of the same order of magnitude. We don’t want to be nitpicking here.

 

However, the frenzy of immediate end of the war or post-war propaganda comes to an end and things cool down a little bit. And a Polish investigative judge reduces the number down to 360,000. And this is a considerable drop!

 

 

We’re down to 80%! Now, as I just showed you, there is a rule in communist countries you have to toe the party line and the new party line was 360,000. Couldn’t really go underneath that, even though they knew again, they knew in this case too, it is wrong! I think the number of prisoners sent to the camp was around that order of magnitude. And that assumes that every single one of them was murdered. And there’s plenty of documentation shown that was absolutely not the case!

 

The Soviet Union collapses and the number gets reduced again by a new historian in charge of the museum. 235,000. Not all that extreme a drop if you compare it with Auschwitz, compared to these two. But here we have already almost only 10%.

 

 

But that wasn’t the end of it. We Holocaust skeptics went into the archives after the Soviet Union collapsed, 1994, 95, 96. And researched the whole material, published a investigation on it. And it was so devastatingly demasking the propaganda of the homicidal gas chamber story, that pressure on the Majdaneck museum became so big that eventually in 2005, a new generation, a new historian dropped the death toll to 76,000. And that is only not even 4% of the initial 2 million claim.

 

 

And actually from the beginning they had claimed seven homicidal gas chambers. They maintained that number until the end. But five of them were so ridiculously, obviously, technically impossible to have ever been used for what they claim to have been used that to throw propaganda ballast overboard.

 

 

 

Thomas Kranz, the new Polish historian, threw five of them overboard. So what we have is an admission:

 

“That okay, we exaggerated, we lied, we lied, we fix, we fix, we keep fixing, we drop more and more of these lies!”

 

And then that’s what the situation is here today. They keep shifting the goalposts, they keep reducing the claim. You see, something is fishy with their attitude in general. But now:

 

“They got it right!”

 

Really, when you’re threatened with three years in prison? Why would I believe you?

 

[24:48]

 

Now we could say:

 

“Okay, one camp. What does one camp prove? That’s the most extreme downward revision by the mainstream.”

 

I haven’t shown our number that would here in 98, we published the book.

 

 

We find in the historical record 42, 200 death cases and no homicidal death chambers at all! They were all fumigation chambers!

 

So I’m just showing you what the mainstream itself has admitted to have been wrong over and over again! Is it a singular case? People make mistakes. Corrections for other camps? If you go in the brochure, if you want to go on page six, you see the table there now the same table here, the major camps that played a role in Allied war as well as immediate post-war propaganda as claimed extermination camps.

 

 

You see the initial death toll here on the left numbers column. And the death toll that is claimed by the mainstream.

 

 

Again, I say in the mainstream, Holocaust skeptical numbers? What really can be documented and what is forensically possible is an entirely different story.

 

So I want to show you that if you just use their own arguments and their shifty way of moving goalposts, you should make every believer see something isn’t right. And you see it here, mistakes stray statistically from the true value. If I make a mistake, I may under or overestimate, but they should stray to both sides. Here you see only one tendency, extreme exaggeration!

 

 

That’s not called a mistake, that’s called a lie! Truth is always the first victim of every war. And why should it be any different with the Second World War? The victors write the history and they never write it objectively. And why should it be any different for the worst war ever fought that ended for the losing side in a major disaster that mankind has not seen all that often in history? Cathage and the Punic wars probably had a worse fate than Germany because they got completely wiped. But other than that, Germany was in pretty bad shape after the Second World War.

 

So you see here, these are lies! They have been lying systematically! They have been correcting and admitting in Auschwitz, I showed you here in Majdanek again and again they lied. They knew they’re lying. And now they are threatened even worse than they were before. The question.

 

 

So for my Majdanek, 96% of the victims were invented. 70% of the homicidal gas chambers were invented. They got it wrong repeatedly acting under coercion, still under coercion even worse so today! Why believe them uncritically now? You wouldn’t!

 

 

And it doesn’t stop with numbers. If you go on the second table of the page six here, we’re talking about invented methods. What the mainstream, again, what the mainstream has admitted, we’re looking in the second column here, of all the stuff that is actually has been invented.

 

 

And I actually added a few more here on this one. And here you see for Auschwitz, war gases, high voltage electrocution, gas showers, gas bombs, pneumatic hammer, conveyor belt.

 

 

Treblinka, you have machine guns, mobile gas chambers, stunning gas, unslaked lime, hot steam, high voltage, chlorine, ether, a death bridge, burning alive.

 

 

So it goes on and on for the other camps. Suffocation with human excrements as a mass murder method is claimed for Bełzec by one witness. It gets absurd at times. But of course, all this stuff, sometimes based on only one witness, sometimes based on tens of witnesses on all kinds of wartime reports, got dumped! Interestingly, the stories that prevailed during the war, hot steam for Treblinkaa, high voltage for Belzec, chlorine gas for Sobibor, all got dumped! You won’t find a word of it today anymore, even though they were the ones that were most commonly claimed during the war, and even during the International Military Tribunal, by the way. It’s all gone!

 

 

What we have left now is this. Zyklon B, and engine exhaust gases. For a long time they even claimed they were diesel exhaust gases, which are technically impossible because they’re not toxic enough.

 

 

Just recently, well, not too recently, 15 years ago, a mainstream toxicologist tried to move the goalpost there again:

 

“Okay, diesel doesn’t work. Why don’t we say it was engine exhaust?”

 

 

So murder methods claimed during and right after the war were highly contradictory. Even once claimed main murder methods were all abandoned! Polish Stalinist officials streamline the narrative against facts! And mainstream historians hide these extreme revisions and manipulations from you! Because they are writing history on gunpoint!

 

[29:58]

 

How was it done? To give you one example, and unfortunately I don’t think I have that in this brochure. You would actually have to go, because that goes a little bit more into detail for which this brochure doesn’t have room. I have that detailed example in this book here. Nazi Gas Chambers, which you can either buy there as a hard copy or you can find it on holocausthandbooks.com free of charge as an ebook.

 

 

The one case that shows everyone, and should show every normie that the story was faked, is the case of Sobibor! Now again, Auschwitz, everyone knows, Treblinka, some of you may have heard. Bełzec, maybe. Majdanek, unlikely. Sobibor also, not very often. Sobibor is one of the three so-called “pure extermination camps”. Actually four. Chelmno is a special camp. It’s a separate issue.

 

 

Treblinkaa, Belzec and Sobibor are the three big ones that were jews were shipped to be murdered and nothing else. That’s the claim of the mainstream. Sobibor was the smallest of them. Treblinka. The other here started out with 3 million. Belzec, 3 million claim and Sobibor with, 20 million. It’s down to 200,000 now, plus, minus. There’s always this kind of an average of the mainstream claim because they can’t really agree exactly on how much. But the other ones are way higher.

 

 

Sobibor is an interesting case. The same judge who after the war downgraded massively the death toll from Majdanek to 360,000 also investigated the Sobibor camp and the Treblinkaa camp and wrote the story for it for the Polish Commission for German War Crimes. He investigated a number of witnesses. They are listed here by name.

 

 

Right after the war, the inmates that were alive in summer of 1943 had a revolt in the Sobibor camp. There’s actually a movie about that. Not very historically accurate, but the revolt did take place and many witnesses, survivors or inmates, ran away and they ended up testifying in front of that investigative judge. This is Zdzislaw Tukaszkiewicz. Now the interesting thing is of what they told him. Right now for Sobibor, they claim engine exhaust gas as the murder method.

 

 

And they are supposed to have been murdered in just a normal chamber. One door. They walk in, they get killed with gas, the other door at the other end opens out and they get carried out to mass graves or pyres to be burned. That’s the mainstream narrative right now! However, if you look at what these witnesses testified, if they describe the alleged murder method, many of them said chlorine. Nobody said engine exhaust. Not a single witness!

 

 

What they claimed of the mechanics of the gas chamber is very interesting because they kind of agreed, with a few exceptions of witnesses who didn’t say anything about that.

 

 

That the floors in those chambers were hydraulically opened up, they collapsed downward, discharge the dead victims into two carts running on tracks below in some kind of basement area, and would then be driven out to mass graves or to cremation pyres. And they agreed on that you will not hear a single thing about that in the mainstream narrative! What Zdzislaw Tukaszkiewicz did when he wrote, based on his interrogations, that’s the only evidence he had, he said:

 

“Well, they were killed with engine exhaust and with just a normal gas chamber with doors.”

 

Invented out of the blue! With no basis in fact of any of the evidence! He threw out all the witnesses!

 

 

Now where did he get that narrative from? He actually copied it over. I just mentioned he had also investigated the Treblinka camp. He had copied it over from the narrative he had developed from the Treblinka camp!

 

 

And if you were to go there. I don’t want to go do that now again, you can find the list of witnesses and what they said on Treblinka in here. You find in Treblinka this chaos here! Electrocution, engine exhaust, gas, vacuum, steam, all kinds of claims. He cleaned that up, threw everything out, kept the engine exhaust and wrote the narrative according to that.

 

 

And then he copied it over to Sobibor. That is invented history with no basis in fact, none whatsoever in the case of Sobibor! The clearest case where you can absolutely pinpoint what happened.

 

So that is what you find if you go into the historical record, which became accessible to us only after the collapse of the Soviet Union, in the archives in the east became accessible. And we could actually go to these interrogation protocols and then see what narrative they made of it.

 

There is an interesting question that arises. Why was that done? I mean, it’s an obvious question. You want to look, make your enemy look as bad as possible. So whatever comes after the war, you can manipulate and destroy them as much as possible. Psychological warfare is just a continuation of warfare with other means. And ethnically speaking, the whole Second World War broke out because the actual tinderbox that blew it up, there were many more conflicts around the globe was the ethnic conflicts between Poles and Germans, mainly over the city of Danzig.

 

 

And after the war, as you may know, Poland gained huge territories from Germany and expelled the population. My paternal ancestry was expelled from Silesia, so they were part of the victims of that. And Germany was not willing after the First World War to accept the loss of Danzig, which was a 95% German city. How would you make them expect to accept the loss of a quarter of its entire territory and the expulsion of 7 million civilians from their homeland, where they had lived for centuries. And were not just a majority in large parts of the world, just only Germans, all gone! How do you accept Germany to this time accept it?

 

If you break the German spine with a guilt complex, you can make them accept anything as justified punishment. And that’s what the homicidal gas chambers are good for!

 

[36:49]

 

 

Now I’ve looked into all of the people who have done the investigation on those camps and who have written the history. We’re actually talking about only four individuals that were doing the investigation. I’ve mentioned Zdzislaw Lukaszkiewicz for Treblinka, for Majdanek and for Sobibor. Jan Sehn was investigative judge for Auschwitz. For Belzec we have an historian. There was no trial on Belzec. That was Eugeniusz Szrojt. And for Chelmno, which isn’t even on here, it’s a special case. There it is actually. It was Wladyslaw Bednarz.

 

So we have four Polish individuals all working for the Polish commission for the investigation of war crimes and Stalinist organization set up by Stalin to stick it to the Germans and to use all kinds of fishy methods, as I just said, and with the aim of destroying Germany psychologically and make them accept all that was coming their way. And it worked “beautifully”, quote, unquote.

 

If you present these things that way, I have found you can get people to understand first of all that it’s not some lunatic idea, but that there’s something profoundly wrong in a society that proscribes the writing of any scholarly field under the threat of punishment. And what that must lead to is untruthfulness of scholars. And then showing them, yeah, they have admitted over and over again to have lied, to have shifted the goalpost to hide facts from us, to completely change their story.

 

And then psychologically, very important, it’s not the jews who did it in a great conspiracy theory! That’s what I’m getting here. I’m not saying I want to win the jews over seeing how they were duped, they were. But you know, all those witnesses at the end of it, most of them are jews. They had an axe to grind. I can’t blame them. They were treated horribly. And in the frenzy of post-war propaganda, they were making stuff up!

 

And this is completely made up stuff here! And they even co-ordinated these witnesses. Coordinated, as they couldn’t have come up all with the same story. But the investigative judge couldn’t do anything with it. In other cases, they were so contradictory, they weren’t coordinating any of these witnesses. They were just inventing whatever came!

 

And in the complete frenzy of post-war anti-German hysteria, you can understand where they are coming from. It would have been the judge’s job to say:

 

“This is all nonsense! We can’t make head or tail out of it. And therefore, we need to say that!”

 

They didn’t do that. These judges were put in by the new Stalinist government. It was a Stalinist agenda. I couldn’t find any jewish backgrounds in any of those four individuals. I don’t know the chain of command. They did what they did on orders. Nothing of that kind of propagandistic political nature was left to chance.

 

So you can bet that there were orders coming from Warsaw and from Moscow. What type they were, this is the kind of investigation we have yet to do. Whether in that chain of command jews were sitting, I don’t know. But they are not needed. You can see here the Stalinist will to completely destroy psychologically Germany and to pit Poland against Germany. That is an important point.

 

Hitler had tried until 39, until the very last moment, to win the Poles over for an anti-communist pact against Stalinist Russia. And Stalinist Russia tried to conquer all of Europe. That was the declared concept of world revolution from 1918 onward. It wasn’t a secret! And Hitler tried to make a bulwark, a European fortress against Stalin’s plan to conquer all of Europe. Poland refused and went their way of poking the German eagle to the point where they lashed out. And the rest is history.

 

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Pitting Poland against Germany.

Any other normal nation, if you imagine Mexico in a World War that breaks out between Russia, China and the United States, United States loses and then Mexico gets everything that they used to own and more. You name the States of Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, California. Give everything to the Mexicans and drive out every White American. Would America put up with it if they gain strength again? How do you get the Germans to accept that kind of calamity? It worked. What did not work, and I want to make that sure, even though my parents were expelled, my parental ancestors were expelled from that region is that today Germany and Poland are not pitted against each other anymore.

 

I’ve gone with my father to our Poles who had expelled him and his family in the 1980s and 90s. German expellees went back to Poland to party with our Poles in the house it used to belong to my grandfather! There’s no frontier, no border between Germany and Poland anymore. If I wanted, the German government not sticking me in prison for other reasons, I could go back and settle where my parental ancestors came from. That story is over in Europe! We don’t kill each other. We don’t kill White people over territory. That should be the case. Unfortunately, the Russians and the Ukrainians have yet to learn that lesson. That is over. Stalin did not succeed in pitting us against each other, we work together now.

 

I am saying these things in order to make you understand where this come from, how it was done, who did it, why they did it! Not in order to, say, give Germany its territories, they can’t even populate their current territory, nor can the Poles. The real biggest challenge for all of us in Europe is population collapse, which is something I will talk about tonight, by the way, and how this ties in to all these issues that I’ve been talking about historically.

 

So now we are not talking territories here. We’re talking about historical understanding and to make the jews understand, and the Zionists, we’re not coming after you. We’re not blaming you for having constructed this narrative in order to whatever. Sure, they took advantage of it, particularly since 1961 when the gravy train was already running with the Eichmann trial big time, and ever since have been profited from that.

 

But if you look in the first decades of the state of Israel and of the jewish community, particularly in this country, they were not riding the Holocaust train! It wasn’t even called that, way back then. The partial identity between Soviet spies in the United States and a religious jewish background was troublesome truth for the jewish community. They kept their head low in the early years of the Cold War and were not rocking the boat.

 

So this way you can make even the jews see we’re not out for revenge for what you did to us, psychologically. The story came from a different angle. And I think that is because people assume we are spreading these Holocaust “denial theories”, as they call them, in order to get at the jews, in order to say the jews have made this big conspiracy in order to get us and destroy us. Yeah, it’s being used now as such. This is what happens now with them manipulating us with this and saying in order to prevent anything like that happening again, we must allow and support them to pre-emptively kill everyone that even looks askance at them! Which is what’s happening in Gaza and what the conflict with many of these nations in the Middle East with Israel is about. That’s a separate story where we are today.

 

Historically seen as it started differently and it has taken on its own life. And we need to break that vicious circle we are in, using this presumed genocide, say what happens to the jews as we define genocide by the United Nations and in law, actually it was a genocide. You don’t need gas chambers to commit genocide. If you separate people so that they can’t reproduce, it’s already called genocide. And that’s what the National Socialists did in the camps, separating genders and putting them under living conditions that inevitably had to lead to many of them dying of disease and so forth. So technically speaking, legally speaking, how it is defined today, it was genocide. Now, that law didn’t exist back then. That’s a legal fine print.

 

So this genocide in its downgraded fashion without homicidal gas chambers, which didn’t exist, but the homicidal gas chambers being the foremost psychological weapon to traumatize the jews, young jews of new generation today and every one of us, we have gone through this education and know how shocking it is to see these bulldozers shoving corpses into mass graves at Bergen-Belsen and being told that’s what the Germans did to the jews. That was force majeure* of epidemics breaking out in camps that the Germans had no control over. They didn’t plan that. But you’re not being told that.

 

And the effect of it is that America for the most part is willing to go along, and Europe, to go along with what the jews and Zionists do in the Middle East. To break that vicious circle, to get a correct understanding, we can learn the correct lessons of history only if we get first the facts straight. And no matter what the facts are, morally speaking, you are never allowed to use past catastrophes of whatever nature to justify or foment current and future catastrophes! And that’s what’s happening. In order to prevent a new “Holocaust”, Israel is committing genocide.

 

[46:54]

 

So in order to prevent genocide, they commit genocide! There’s something wrong with this! And to see how we are manipulated with historical accounts being exaggerated and invented, to see it in this old example, the most extreme example, makes us see that happens all the time. What was it October 7, 2023, what happened there. Israel has a law outlawing, as I just mentioned, it was the first one outlawing Holocaust skepticism. And they have now introduced a law outlawing Gaza skepticism in terms of just what happened on the 7th of October. And they are probably in the process of making it a crime to accuse Israel of genocide.

 

All right, I’m having, as I mentioned, a second presentation tonight. We are talking about demographic collapse and where that leaves us, which options we have and what the various drivers are, which Holocaust propaganda actually is one of them. And I’ll explain that tonight. I hope I’ll get a chance to talk to you and maybe even discuss that with you guys.

 

 

If you want to look into this book, if you don’t have it yet, about how this core of the Holocaust, the homicide, gas chamber story, was created. As I mentioned there you can have it.

 

 

The encyclopedia also. I still have six copies floating around. Please keep the brochure. It is a short description and summary of Holocaust revisionist arguments with reference of all the books. You can find them all free of charge at holocausthandbooks.com. But you can also buy them from us on these websites and you’ll find links to purchase them.

 

And if you don’t want to keep it, leave it on the table and we’ll collect it later because this is advertising for our products, for our knowledge, for our insight, and we liked it to get spread.

 

So thank you for your attention.

 

[49:00]

 

[loud applause]

 

[Outro message]

 

 

If you want to learn more, here are a few suggested websites. At our Holocaust Encyclopedia you can find concise information on almost 600 related topics with references to further reading.

 

 

 

The results of 35 years of archival and forensic research into the Holocaust can be accessed free of charge at our Holocaust Handbooks website, where you can also access several documentaries as well as our Mini Series Holocaust Pocketbooks, which give easy to read introductions into various topics.

 

 

 

Printed copies of these and many other books can be purchased on our websites armreg.us and armreg.co.uk.

 

 

At our Holocaust Academy, we teach the ropes of skeptical Holocaust research.

 

 

 

It also features our growing podcast series named “Holocast”.

 

 

At the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust, we lobby for free speech where it is threatened the most.

 

 

Most prominently with our periodical Inconvenient History.

 

And last but not least, Germar Rudolf’s personal website where you can learn more about him.

 

 

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Unlocking_Freedom
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This video is so important. Discussing with a normie has many challenges, layers of brain washing, mind control by legacy media. https://www.printernational.co.uk/timmann2/history.htm#holocaust Approaching such a sensitive subject, especially with relatives is so hard. Yes the method of just sciences : Biology : Cholera, Tuberculosis (TB), Famine, Dysentery and Typhoid (Typhus) were at epidemic levels of disease Engineering : Wooden Doors, Floor Drains in a “gas chamber” Architecture : Swinging Doors Chemistry : Residue in the walls This video is a better beginning because the banning is a serious question for thought control. Exaggeration to Reduction in numbers comes from the authorities, which normies only will accept. Changing method of executions. There is no consistency.
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https://www.ris.bka.gv.at/GeltendeFassung.wxe?Abfrage=Bundesnormen&Gesetzesnummer=10000207&FassungVom=2023-01-08 interesting history of the modifications of this “Verbotsgesetz 1947” in Austria

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The AI could not identify a legislative or political donor impetus for the 1992 amendment, but that the “1992 Verbotsgesetz amendment was adopted by the Austrian Parliament with broad cross‑party support; it was driven by government and parliamentary lawmakers (major parties including the SPÖ and ÖVP), backed publicly by Jewish organizations and civil‑society groups concerned about rising neo‑Nazi activity and legal inconsistency. Major identifiable supporters were: Parliamentary sponsors and supporters: members of the governing parties at the time (Social Democratic Party — SPÖ — and Austrian People’s Party — ÖVP) who voted for the amendment in Parliament. Wikipedia Civil-society and community backers: Austrian Jewish organizations and international Jewish groups, prosecutors and legal scholars who urged a clear statutory prohibition to close court inconsistencies and enable prosecutions.” I asked it to enumerate and identify the neo-nazi events, which it indicated would take 30 minutes. Bin gespannt.
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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Kenny Ko: What is up, guys? Welcome back to Kenny Cancelled. I have a very special guest today. It is Germar Rudolf, who many of you may know, and many of you may yet to know, but I’m sure you will be happy to hear his story for a like-minded cause. Germar, thank you once again for taking the time to join the podcast and chat with me. I’ve been looking forward to this just because I’ve wanted to pick your brains on some of the stuff that I believe happened during the “Holocaust” and other certain events throughout history.

 

I’ll allow you to take the mic, introduce yourself for maybe the people who don’t know much about you as of yet.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, well, thank you first of all for having me. A little bit about my background. I’m a German citizen. I grew up in West Germany. I had a kind of normal lower middle-class upbringing and ended up going to university studying chemistry, graduated from Bonn University, then moved on for postgrad studies for a PhD, got a position at a Max Planck Institute for Solid State Research to work on a PhD there.

 

And while I was doing that research, I became curious and interested in applying my knowledge as a forensic chemist, which I had developed during my graduate studies, to a field that is a little bit exotic—that is to say, history. I stumbled over an expert report that had been submitted in 1988 during a Canadian trial against a German immigrant who had been quote, unquote, “denying the Holocaust”. That expert report was written by the—back then—the only existing expert in execution technologies in the United States. Since we have the death penalty here in several states, there need to be people who can design and equip and maintain that kind of equipment.

 

So he was asked in that trial to come up with his expert opinion of whether or not the homicidal gas chambers that are said to have existed at the Auschwitz and Majdanek camps could have existed. He did that and he came to the conclusion:

 

“No, that wouldn’t have worked!”

 

Caused quite a brouhaha. I learned about it a year later. At the time when I was just graduating and then doing my fledgling PhD studies. I dipped my feet into that field and tried to find out a little bit more because I got a copy of that expert report from Fred Leuchter, from that American expert, and I was not satisfied. It didn’t live up to my expectations and I wanted to do a better job. And then I found actually a legal team who would finance that. So I got expenses paid—didn’t get anything paid but reimbursement for my expenses.

 

But that was good enough for me. I was personally curious about what was going on. And I eventually submitted an expert report that was introduced—or, I should say, the defense lawyers in seven or eight defense cases in Germany, Switzerland, Austria, more so than Germany actually—tried to introduce it. The courts turned it down in these cases. German courts don’t accept any evidence that challenges the mainstream narrative.

 

But anyway, that was my introduction into the topic. My conclusions basically were: Leuchter had it basically right, even though he jumped a little bit to conclusions that were not well founded. But I managed to do a lot of research and back it up.

 

And while this all was going on—doing my PhD studies, doing this forensic work, investigations and appearing in court as an expert witness who was always turned down—I realized, well, Auschwitz, the question of whether or not there were homicidal gas chambers and whether forensic chemistry can elucidate any of the questions of whether it happened or not and if there are any traces, is only a very minor aspect of the Holocaust, which is a big issue. It’s three years, a whole continent, hundreds if not thousands of crime locations. And what can you deduct from thinking to have resolved one tiny issue about one alleged murder location in this context?

 

So I figured the area is bigger. I want to know more. I want to wrap my head around everything. And I was reaching out to other people. I was planning on doing an anthology, a collection of—I think it was initially—15 contributions by various authors from all over the world who were looking into other aspects of the Holocaust. And we eventually published that book. While that was being prepared, German authorities also…

 

Kenny Ko: Sorry to interrupt, just for the people that are watching, what was the name of the book?

 

[04:12]

 

Germar Rudolf: Well, it appeared in an English translation in 2,000 for the first time. And it’s called Dissecting the Holocaust. Now all the books and the research that I have pursued and published ever since, over the past 35 years, can all be accessed free of charge as ebooks on the website called Holocausthandbooks.com. So if anyone’s interested in actually following up and finding out what this is all about, you can go there and find it out.

 

So that was volume one of the Holocaust Handbooks, Dissecting the Holocaust. This anthology has more contributions now. The updated last edition is just two years old, I think. And volume two of it was actually— is now—an updated, expanded edition of my original forensic research into the question of whether or not there were homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. That’s volume two.

 

And as I mentioned, there are now 54 volumes, plus we have a range of documentaries and some other, more summary books—they’re called Holocaust Pocketbooks. All of this stuff is available free of charge on HolocaustHandbooks.com. You’ll find links there where you can also purchase hard copies which are not free of charge, of course; they cost to produce and mail.

 

So the authorities were going after me. I had by 1990, I think, five court cases pending, five criminal investigations pending, in addition to my original trial for my forensic research. As I mentioned, introducing that evidence gets impossible in German court cases.

 

And then they went a step further, actually putting me on trial for it, for my forensic research, and denied me then the right to defend myself by proving that I’m correct. Because that is “contesting the mainstream narrative” again; you’re not allowed to commit that crime in a courtroom, so you’re not allowed to defend your views. They actually later turned it into an actual crime to even file a motion to introduce evidence proving that my dissenting views—or anyone’s dissenting views for that matter—are correct, declared that a crime, and they would prosecute defendants or primarily defense lawyers who would file such motions, and convicted them.

 

So defense in Germany in these cases is illegal! It’s kind of absurd—a Kafkaesque situation. I had to go through this in my own trial. Eventually I decided I’m not putting up with this. I was sentenced to 14 months for my forensic research, but I didn’t have to serve time immediately because the appeal was pending. And when more and more criminal investigations were filed by the prosecutors for the various books and journal articles that I was working on, I had published, I decided to leave.

 

So I went into exile and in 1996 lived in England for three years, until a journalist there published a hit piece on me demanding that I be extradited to Germany. And then British Parliament even had a session where I was discussed. And so the situation got tricky there.

 

I had used the three years in England to expand my publishing activities. At that point I was a little bit hemmed in, couldn’t do active research anymore because I was kind of living under an assumed identity and couldn’t travel. But I was giving other researchers a platform; they could submit stuff to me, I would publish it online and in print, initially only in the German language.

 

But then I slowly started to get into doing stuff in English, which of course—if something in this modern world, with the lingua franca being English, does not exist in English—it basically doesn’t exist at all! You have to do stuff in English for it to be recognized and noticed by the world. Now my English initially when I came to England was pretty bad. But the three years helped me to get up to speed. And when things were heating up in England, I decided to leave. In late 1999 I came to this country and after a while applied for political asylum here.

 

Now I expanded then in this country to do what I had done before only in German, also in English, which down the road ended up with these 54 volumes plus all the other stuff.

 

However, there was a little bit of a bump in the road because America has waged two wars against Germany to make them do what they do—suppress historical dissent. So they were not willing to give me political asylum, even though the immigration judge who reviewed my case said multiple times during the hearing that:

 

“This is the best documented asylum case he’s ever seen!”

 

But the immigration judge is not a judge in the legal sense. He’s actually an employee of, back then, the State Department, and later it was the Department of Homeland Security. And he has to follow orders given by the administration, and they said:

 

“Deport him!”

 

And eventually that’s what happened. By that time, however, I had married a US citizen. The marriage had been recognized and I had been granted an immigrant visa. I had the documents that:

 

“Your immigrant visa for a Green Card is granted.”

 

And at that moment—when that certificate, this confirmation, was issued—I was arrested and deported. So just before getting to the counter to get my actual Green Card, they arrested me and deported me back to Germany.

 

Now Germany had an axe to grind because by that time I had published a further 20 books in the German language. And they had an arrest warrant out not only for the 14 months that I had to spend from before, but also for the 21 books that I had published and been selling in the time ever since I had left Germany.

 

Kenny Ko: So my question, and I’m sure the audience too, what’s the crime that they charged you with?

 

Germar Rudolf: Incitement to hate.

 

Kenny Ko: Exposing the truth?

 

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Germar Rudolf: No, the crimes—they didn’t invent these new laws. They had been on the books, similar laws, ever since Frederick the Great! Believe it or not, Frederick the Great had a massive immigration policy because after the Thirty Years’ War, Prussia/Brandenburg was devastated and was depopulated to a large degree. And he wanted French Huguenots and Protestants who were persecuted in France to come to Prussia. So he invited them by the tens and hundreds of thousands. I don’t know the exact figures, but the Prussian subjects of Frederick the Great were not happy about this massive influx of immigrants from a different culture. So no different situation than today—people being not happy about mass immigration. And there was a lot of polemics going on. Frederick the Great issued a law: You can’t stir up the people against minorities—particularly non-German, non-Prussian minorities back then.

 

So that law has developed over time. It became part of Germany in 1871, when Prussia kind of merged into Germany and Germany took over the Prussian laws more or less. And that’s been on the books ever since. As a matter of fact, in 1936, I think, under National Socialism, a German Catholic priest by the name of Rupert Mayer was indicted by the Third Reich judiciary for inciting the masses and stirring up the masses, because he was preaching in his church against National Socialist policies. He was sent to a concentration camp for a few months. So he was kind of persecuted for the same—and prosecuted for the same—offense that I have been prosecuted for.

 

The group that is protected by this law depends on whatever the zeitgeist demands as a specially protected group. Under Frederick the Great, it was the French immigrants; under the National Socialists, it was the government and the National Socialists that wanted special protection. And nowadays it’s immigrants and jews and Zionists that have this special protection. So it’s a vaster, or more numerous, group of special interest groups that have special protection nowadays.

 

So that was stirring up the people—inciting to hatred—back then. They still have “inciting to racial hatred.” They have taken that term out because “races” don’t exist, as you know. It’s politically incorrect to assume that.

 

And then also “disparaging the commemoration of the dead” and “insults.” Insult is on still-living jewish witnesses—insult them by insinuating that they could not have told the truth! And disparaging the commemoration of the dead is just all the victims that died—you deny that they even existed as victims, and so on. So there are four laws I was actually tried under back then. They did not yet have a special law for, quote-unquote, “denying the Holocaust”. They introduced that in 1994, kind of as a result also of my activities that unfolded back in the years, and all the rest of it.

 

Anyway, I ended up being deported to Germany, put on trial there, got another 30 months for only two of the nine books I was indicted for. Twenty-one were in the arrest, 19 were in the indictment. And for two of them I got convicted to 30 months. Had it been 21, that could have gotten nasty. If you get one year or so for each one of them, you do the math. Because eventually I got 50 months for the two books—the two publications—they booked me for eventually.

 

So 44 months later, I was out. And the US authorities said—they eventually denied my political asylum. The case had still not been resolved by the time I was deported. So I was whisked away, not only in violation because I was rightfully married to a US citizen. And US law says you can adjust status if you have a clean record.

 

And what I was convicted for in Germany was not recognized as a crime here in the United States. It’s First Amendment stuff. So from the US perspective, I had a clean record, should have been allowed to adjust status to permanent legal residence, but they deported me. Plus, it’s a violation of the Fifth Amendment, the right of anyone physically present in the United States to have due process.

 

Now, if in the middle of a hearing and procedure in front of a federal court, you arrest a defendant and throw him out of the country— which is exactly the reason why the case is pending; you want to prevent being deported—that’s the whole reason of the case, whether it’s political asylum or just withholding from deportation. Both of these cases we had filed for. Deporting me in the middle of it is a violation of the Fifth Amendment. Supreme Court didn’t take the case. That’s the way how they prevent not adjudicating a case that is unpleasant to them.

 

So I was back in Germany and then had to fight my way back to get my immigrant visa, even though I had already been granted it; it wasn’t issued physically yet. And then I was outside of the country already, so I needed one to be able to get back. The US authorities weren’t adjudicating the application. They just said:

 

“It’s too complicated. We can’t decide whether we’ll ever be able to adjudicate it.”

 

In other words, they were stonewalling. I had to litigate against them, force them to a decision. Fortunately, I got a judge in the Chicago federal court who kind of sided with me. For once, something went my way. He is an immigrant judge from Syria. No, I think from Syria. Not quite sure. Anyway, from the Middle East. So he evidently saw through what’s going on here, and he rubber-stamped every motion that we filed in kind of lightning speed. For legal considerations, federal courts take months for things to be decided, but he was taking days.

 

And then in August, 2011, after two years of waiting and litigating after having gotten out of prison in Germany, I was back in the United States. So I’ve been in the country ever since. The Germans keep doing what they’re doing, issuing arrest warrants or Europe-wide arrest warrants. And they stopped issuing me a passport because they want to catch me, but I don’t need a passport.

 

So I have no intention of leaving the country.

 

[15:21]

 

Kenny Ko: I was going to say, do you ever plan on leaving the United States now?

 

Germar Rudolf: No, I can’t. I have no passport. I’ve tried to adjust to become a citizen. But no matter what your background is, you have no right to become a US citizen. That’s a discretionary act of the people of the United States, represented by the government. And I applied for it, but they were stonewalling that case too, not adjudicating it.

 

And then eventually a cop framed me for something that didn’t happen. Early in the morning—talking about fitness—I was doing triathlons early in the morning for four years. Some neighbor in the neighborhood didn’t like that I was working out in the park there, doing calisthenics, and going in the river to swim, and ride a bicycle.

 

Kenny Ko: Were they jewish?

 

Germar Rudolf: No, it’s just—I don’t know the neighbor. It’s just a riverfront property. And he went to work every morning and he saw me once in a while, and he was calling the cops for years! Cops were checking on me for years! I didn’t realize what was going on really, but I couldn’t do anything. They got pissed. They got called for years and years—six years or so—every other morning in the summertime when this guy saw me. He wasn’t happy about me working out in the park area there.

 

Kenny Ko: Wait, why did he dislike you so much, or what was his issue? Did he know your work or something?

 

Germar Rudolf: No, no, I don’t know.

 

Kenny Ko: Interesting!

 

Germar Rudolf: I have never contacted the guy. I don’t know anything. I know from a cop that eventually talked to me about this, that there is, they say:

 

“A man in the neighborhood, he calls anonymously.”

 

Nobody can call the police anonymously! So that was just a claim made up in order not to have to reveal to me who that is because they think some people may take revenge for the perpetrator. I know where he lives. I know his daily routine because I was there for 10 years, every morning from April to September/October, and I know his daily routine—what time he gets up, where his bedroom is, what he does next, when he goes to the kitchen, does his breakfast, and which TV channels he watches, until he gets in his car and leaves for work. That’s the routine. I’ve been there for 10 years. I know the routine of that neighborhood.

 

Anyway, the cops realized they can’t get the guy to stop complaining and they can’t do anything against me because it’s legal to be there! That’s a famous fishing, motor-boat, recreational area.

 

And so the guy just said he was going to make up a claim that I was doing indecent exposure there, which wasn’t true. But you have only a cop and yourself at four o’clock, at a dark, vacated park, nobody there. And the guy makes up a story and then he contradicts himself. That’s interesting. Because in the preliminary hearing he makes up a completely wild story. And I couldn’t believe it, what he was telling. And then by the time the trial came, the prosecution had realized that the case was physically impossible. The claims he made couldn’t have been. It was not visible what he was claiming. It was just physically impossible. So they completely changed the story.

 

And if you have that situation that a witness—and that’s only one witness—completely changes the story, that’s automatic proof of perjury.

 

So I have that actually published, both transcripts, and everyone can look at it. You see that a cop’s committing perjury on the behest and on instruction, I would assume, of the prosecution. Because the prosecutor doing the trial showed a photo of the scene, taken from the place where the cop said he saw things. And you could see the things he described in the preliminary time were impossible. The prosecutor must have realized that. And then they told the cop that and he changed his story.

 

I requested after that from three law firms, three lawyers: :

 

“What do we do about it? I want to file a criminal complaint against the cop for perjury.”

 

And the answer is:

 

“They framed you the first time—if you are right that they framed you—and the prosecutor actually was the one working with the cop to get that accomplished. Your criminal complaint against the cop for perjury would come on the desk of the very prosecutor that has framed you in the first place. What do you think is going to happen? You get a second framing so fast you can’t blink an eye! And if you have two of these cases hanging, as an immigrant, you get deported from this country automatically!”

 

And that’s what’s going on. So my attempt to get citizenship was stonewalled. They weren’t deciding it, but the moment I was convicted and the conviction was upheld in the appeal—which was kind of absurd too—they instantly denied my citizenship application because I have a criminal record. Now you see what’s going on. And the appeal, the argument was:

 

“Wait a minute. If a guy with a searchlight goes in a park at night, completely black, and looks around and then happens to find a person with pants down, as he claims, what do you call a person who’s doing that?”

 

Kenny Ko: A streaker, I guess, or flasher.

 

Germar Rudolf: Peeping Tom!

 

Kenny Ko: Yeah.

 

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Germar Rudolf: Yeah. So if you give that guy a police badge, what do you call that? Still a peeping Tom!

 

So the argument wasn’t made that way. But basically, a crime of indecent exposure requires that somebody has been indecently exposed to someone of the public. A police officer who is going around with searchlights is not a person of the public. It doesn’t count. So therefore, the crime has not been committed, because as we all know, it was completely dark and it was vacated. Even if it were true—which it isn’t—but if it were true that I was there with my pants down, it cannot have been a crime because nobody was around. And the Appeals Court said:

 

“Well, it doesn’t matter. From now on, we say anyone who has the pants down anywhere in public, whether anyone is around or not, commits indecent exposure.”

 

Which means that every person in the world that ever lived has committed indecent exposure! If you were ever in nature and had a pee or did your business—which happens to us sometimes—it’s automatic indecent exposure.

 

Kenny Ko: They might be looking for me. I probably have over 50 charges against me here!

 

Germar Rudolf: Right! So legal professionals after that appeal decision said:

 

“This is impossible! This is completely untenable case law you’ve created here. Now, everyone has committed indecent exposure. Indecent exposure requires the intentional act to expose your genitals to someone in public who does not consent!”

 

If you’re in a nudist area, that’s not, because you have consent there, right? But if it’s not in a nudist area, you don’t get consent, then that’s a crime. But if there’s no one around, there’s no exposure. So later they actually reverted that by simply ignoring the case law. And every case that’s been adjudicated in Pennsylvania ever since still goes after the old law because the new case law is complete bullshit! But it shows you what was going on—trying to prevent me from getting citizenship, to have something, and to go to extreme lengths, to ridiculous lengths!

 

And I suspect that they got to my defense lawyer, because my defense lawyer threw me under the bus. I had all the evidence showing that this thing cannot happen. And of course we had him nailed when he contradicted himself—perjury. And my defense lawyer refused to defend me, refused to introduce any evidence.

 

So this is the curious thing about America. You have the First Amendment when you are outside the courtroom, you can speak your mind. If you’re inside the courtroom in a penal case and you’re the defendant, you don’t have First Amendment rights. You depend—you can speak out only if you go—if you’re defended by a lawyer, of course—you can speak about the case only if you go into the witness stand and then you can only answer to specific questions that you are asked. My defense lawyer, I had given him 10 questions I wanted him to ask me, and then develop the case and introduce all the evidence. And then I get into the witness stand and he doesn’t ask any of the questions! Only one:

 

“What did happen that morning?”

 

Which was complete bullshit because that didn’t allow me to introduce any of the evidence showing that I was working out, that I have a history of working out, and introduce images of my clothing, and so forth.

 

Anyway, the issue is, of course, now I don’t have citizenship and I have this criminal conviction. And the lawyers then said:

 

“Get the hell out of there! The best is to remove yourself from Pennsylvania—not just from this county—most certainly stay away from that county because they have you on their list there, and move!”

 

So that’s what I eventually did.

 

Kenny Ko: So where’d you move to from there?

 

Germar Rudolf: I’m in upstate New York now.

 

Kenny Ko: Okay. And you’ve been there since?

 

Germar Rudolf: Well, you know, it was my marriage that fell apart. That’s been in decline ever since. You know, if you have been forcibly separated for six years, that doesn’t bode well for any marriage. And my wife suffered more than I during that time of separation because it wasn’t her battle and she had to be a single mother raising our daughter all by herself. She was stressed out and not happy.

 

And then of course, I wouldn’t stop doing what I was doing. Coming back, slowly getting my feet back into things—that is not conducive to marital bliss. Plus, which I found later, the family and friends evidently were undermining the marriage from behind the scenes, unbeknownst to me, to one degree or another. So that wasn’t a good situation.

 

Anyway, eventually, when all this unraveled, I left and lived with friends first until my marriage issues were resolved—getting through divorce and splitting up assets and so forth. Until you know what you have, you don’t want to make any moves. So when that was settled, I could actually get my own life back. And that happened a couple of years ago.

 

Now I’ve used that time well. Fifty-four volumes of hard-hitting research accessible at HolocaustHandbooks.com, unparalleled in the world when it comes to the depth and the scale and scope. For instance, if we look at Auschwitz, which is the most iconic crime scene of the Holocaust—whatever happened there—I mean, it was nasty even from a revisionist perspective, from a skeptical perspective: 135, 500 documented cases of deceased inmates. That’s a huge number.

 

[25:04]

 

Kenny Ko: Because I do want to pick your brain heavily on your research and what you found. One question I wanted, and I’m sure a lot of people have it: How’d you go from your PhD field—what you thought you were going to pursue—into so passionately looking into the events surrounding the Holocaust and the World War II time frame? What kind of sparked your interest, I guess, to want to navigate that?

 

Germar Rudolf: I had an interest in German history, just not that topic because it’s an unpleasant topic—modern German history, kind of circumnavigating the Holocaust, ever since, I would say, ever since I started studying at university, it was a kind of a private hobby. I knew about the importance of the topic when it comes to the German psyche, if you want to put it that way, because it weighs heavily on Germans, on their self-confidence as a nation, as an identity. But you kind of take it for granted. It’s cast in stone. It’s inevitable to have to deal with it. So it never crossed my mind to challenge the narrative, let’s say it that way.

 

But I refuse to accept that two wrongs make a right, that one evil can balance out another one. So using what happened in the past—whatever it is—as justification to commit other injustices, whether it’s against my own people and country after the Second World War or in subsequent issues that have come up more recently. Like we look at what’s going on in Gaza or the various wars that Israel is waging—that made me aware that it has relevance, political relevance; still not a way of challenging it.

 

But once I did stumble over arguments that I could verify—or refute, for that matter—the toxicological and forensic research that Fred Leuchter in the United States had done, I said:

 

“Well, I have to look into this is a question, a topic that has huge implications politically.”

 

Back then I thought only in German dimensions. I was kind of still in the German box. In the meantime, I’m more cosmopolitan, I see the larger picture. But it was enough for me to say:

 

“I want to find out!”

 

And the real motivator that got me going is to realize during my time as an expert witness how the system breaks all the rules it claims to defend. It claims to be at the core of its values—be it free speech, be it freedom of science, be it the rule of law. As an expert witness in court—when you are in Germany—the German procedural rules say if an expert witness is already in court, he is an expert at what he is supposed to testify for, he is able to testify, and the testimony is relevant to the case that’s being handled by the court, then he has to be heard. There’s no way of turning them down because there’s no effort for the court to get the expert—he’s already in the court—yet still they violated that law, in every one of the seven or eight cases I was summoned to testify!

 

And the panic that I saw in some cases in the eyes of the judges—because they knew they needed to violate the law; they are the criminals in that case. One of them ran out, called some superior—there is no superior of a judge—but evidently called probably the capital or whatever, some higher court to find out:

 

“Do I get backing from the higher courts if I violate the procedural rules here?”

 

And evidently the decision later on by the German Supreme Court:

 

“Yes, we’ve always done it, we will always keep doing it. That’s the way we have to do it!”

 

Bunch of horseshit! Excuse my English.

 

Kenny Ko: Hey, you can use whatever language you want. They put you through absolute hell! And first, I wanted to say too, thank you for all you have done, by the way. And also, sorry that you’ve been put through so much. But it just shows that the truth will always prevail. And we need people like you. Honestly, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for doing what you did, sacrificing what you have in order to get this information out to the masses.

 

[28:49]

 

 

 

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, that is the stage I’m in right now, actually. I was getting to that. Fifty-four volumes of hard-hitting archival and forensic research—too much to wrap your head around. If you want to read it all, it takes you years and by the time you get to the end, you have already forgotten the beginning. And the same was for me.

 

I mean, I’ve published all this stuff in German, in English, I’ve republished it in many, many editions. So I’m the one who actually has that stuff on his fingertips and should have the best knowledge of where to find what. But I couldn’t! I was forgetting stuff. And I had a hard time finding arguments, finding evidence, finding sources. So I decided eventually we need to write an encyclopedia.

 

And that’s what I’ve done. After my marriage fell apart—the depression, it put me into separation from my kids, from my home—I used that time, work therapy, to sit down. Within five months, I wrote an entire encyclopedia. Normally that’s a collective work of many scholars. Now I’ve been in the unique situation of having assembled this research for 35 years, having published it in several languages and republished it over and over again! I also was in charge for many years of the periodicals that were publishing papers on it.

 

So I have it all on my hard drive, kind of in my head. If not I, who else could do it? And I’ve worked with one additional scholar, a Professor of the humanities who helped me. I had some experience in contributing to scholarly works like that, encyclopedias. It’s not something you do every day. I’m most certainly not writing one cover to cover.

 

But I know that having, say, 200 scholars contributing—each several, or one contribution, one entry—to an encyclopedia is actually a much bigger challenge to get because it’s not economically viable. You don’t make money with this. It’s an honor for a scholar to be listed as a contributor to an encyclopedia because then he’s the top of the field in this particular entry that he is writing about, and to get people actually to do it.

 

And then you have a problem of synchronizing things because there’s overlap between entries and cross-referencing. And if you have everyone writing their own style, writing their own opinion, they sometimes don’t even agree on things. It’s a nightmare to co-ordinate that and to get that actually to go together—to have, first of all, everyone submitting their stuff, and then coordinating, synchronizing, streamlining it. And then the ego gets in the way where nobody wants to budge and they have different points of view. It can be a nightmare!

 

 

Now if you have just one guy writing it with one supporting it was actually a much faster job. But I required these 35 years of background in the entire field. And having published—covered—the entire field. HolocaustEncyclopedia.com is freely accessible for everyone. We update it, we expand it as it is needed. You can also get hard copies there in various languages. By now we have it in German, French and Spanish on top of it. And I’m currently working—and that’s what you interrupted me with, …

 

Kenny Ko: Sorry about that!

 

Germar Rudolf: Arabic translation. No, I appreciate that because I want to get the message out. The work is there. It is completely silenced and swept under the carpet by the mainstream. Any work on the Holocaust over the past, 20 years that does not at least consider the work we have done cannot be called scholarly! Scholarly means even if you disagree with a scholar, if it’s a considerable work—and 54 volumes is a considerable amount of work—then you have to at least say:

 

“Well, this work is there and I disagree with this for this and this reason.”

 

And that’s it! If you completely ignore it and you pretend it doesn’t even exist, that means you’re a dogmatist, you’re not a scholar anymore. And that’s the situation we have in the field of Holocaust studies—have had now for the past, 20 years plus. But this is only the scholarly issue; we’re talking about suppression. I frame it in a certain way to make clear what’s going on. History at gunpoint! Writing of history at gunpoint! That’s what we have in the Western world—have had ever since. The first country to introduce a law that basically puts historians under the threat of imprisonment was Israel. Surprise! In ’85 or ’86.

 

Kenny Ko: I wonder why that is!

 

[32:53]

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, so that was coming up with the John Demjanjuk show trial that started shortly after, to make sure that nobody gets any funny ideas of challenging the show trial they were about to pull off. So in that context that has to be seen.

 

And then the next one was France. And by now we are up to 28 countries who formally have declared it illegal. But there are many more if you look at those who informally prosecute it. Most of the Arab countries actually throw people in prison if they dissent publicly, not because they want to, but because they are basically in the pockets of the United States and the Europeans. They are all bankrupt states, most of them, except for the really oil-rich countries. When we’re talking about Jordan and Egypt, the two examples that come to my mind, or even Lebanon—they’re in debt and they get bailed out financially by Europe and by the United States over and over again! So they are basically corrupted. They should have an interest in free discussion of the topic because it impacts their region massively these days. But they suppress it too. In South America, there are a number of countries which suppress it.

 

So it has come to the point that over the years many mainstream historians have gotten in touch with me—privately, of course, and some of them anonymously. They just create a Gmail account and get in touch and don’t tell who they are, but by the amount of assistance they have provided—giving us archival material that we don’t have access to because many archives now are closed to us. You have to identify yourself before you can get in. And we can’t do that; we’d get arrested. More and more archival material is being put online. So that will hopefully— we’ll see it.

 

Anyway, these historians give us massive amounts of information from archives that we can’t access, and therefore we know they know what they’re doing. They are professionals.

 

Kenny Ko: Right.

 

Germar Rudolf: And I hear from them the fact that they work from behind this kind of a firewall to prevent any leak who they are and that they’re helping.

 

But also of those who actually have contacted me, I had one of Germany’s most prolific historians, Professor Werner Maser—may not mean much to you, but he has written on modern German history and the World War II era. Many books, many of them were translated in many languages. So he was one of the leading scholars in the field from a German point of view. One of these days he called me! When I was in the United States shortly before my deportation, complaining to me about the dictator-style conditions in Germany and that historians are constantly afraid and can’t write anymore what they want to do.

 

And I had a number of these encounters with half a dozen mainstream historians. These are the ones who stick their neck out and risk getting in touch with me. You can figure out how many more there are who will not say anything and just toe the party line quietly or stay out of this area entirely. One of the leading Polish historians on the Auschwitz matter, Wacław Długoborski [sp], who was an Auschwitz inmate himself—he became the curator of the history department of the Auschwitz Museum after the war for many decades—said in 1998 in an interview why Polish historians from the Auschwitz Museum for decades until the collapse of the Soviet Union had spread false, exaggerated victim numbers even though they admit that they knew better:

 

“Why did you lie?”

 

He said:

 

“Well, we were put under pressure in the Eastern Bloc. We would have faced disciplinary measures had we not toed the party line.”

 

That was 1998, that he had this interview. And that was the same year Poland introduced a law making it up to three years imprisonment to challenge the current narrative. So back in the communist days they were facing disciplinary measures—which is on a professional level, administrative stuff, like you get demoted, you get removed from that position and then have to go somewhere else or whatever. But not criminal proceedings! Now we have criminal proceedings. Poland is finally Democratic—and democracy, as you know, is when two wolves and a lamb decide what’s for dinner!

 

So that’s the situation when it comes to this topic—democracy and dictatorship are not mutually exclusive concepts. If you’re a democracy, the majority decides to dictate to the minority what they can think and say. That’s a Democratic dictatorship! And that’s what we have in these 28 countries.

 

Kenny Ko: Thank you—Canada included! [clapping] By the way, a lot of people don’t understand democracy or how it operates.

 

[37:14]

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, if it’s not guardrailed strictly by inalienable civil rights and the right of self-determination—I throw in there for the sake of being complete—then democracy is a lynch mob! That’s just a nice way of saying lynch mob. So in a democracy, a majority should never be allowed to take away essential civil rights—human rights—from minorities, no matter what. But that’s what you see here. So be that as it may—got a little bit sidetracked with this here! Yeah, so Długoborski says:

 

“We acted under coercion. That’s why we lied!”

 

At a time when the Polish government jacked up the coercion that they are threatening.

 

So if they lied before, and they agreed and admitted that they have lied because of coercion, and the coercion has increased—now it’s even worse! Why would you believe them now, the story they tell now? Historians the world over when it comes to this topic all act under coercion! Usually only those people get into the field on the mainstream who are ideologically charged. You see a hyper over-representation of jews in that field—no surprise. And you see people with left-leaning ideologies. So Antifa kind of attitudes—no surprise there too. A lot of the quote, unquote, “evidence” that we have for the mainstream Holocaust narrative was produced, skewed and faked and forged and fabricated by communist Eastern Europe.

 

When you look at the six camps where mass extermination is said to have happened—that’s Auschwitz, Belzec, Chelmno, Majdanek, Sobibor and Treblinka—and the Einsatzgruppen mass murders, gas vans, mass murders etc., that are said to have happened behind the Soviet front. All this is on former Soviet territories. So for 40 years it was behind the Iron Curtain. And the evidence that was presented in the Nuremberg trials and in many trials thereafter was produced in those countries in those years.

 

Can you believe them? I wouldn’t take anything at face value that comes from these countries! Does everything have to be a lie? No, of course not. We have to discern critically, with tools of source criticizm, to figure out what is true and what is not. Forensics. There are a lot of tools that historians have— forensic historians in particular. And in the encyclopedia, with all these crime locations, claimed crime locations, they have entries in there and they go through what the documents say, what the forensic research—if any was done—says, and what forensic research should be done to clarify any issues that we still have a lot of the fields have never been researched in a way that they should have.

 

You probably have heard of the mass murders at Katyn and Vinnytsa. So the Soviets and the Germans divided up Poland in 1939. And the Soviets arrested some 20,000 people of the upper society of Poland that came under their control. And after a year of detention they executed them—or not even a year—in various mass graves. The Germans in ’43 found two of them and made a big fuss about it. But they did not do the forensic examination of these graves all by themselves. They actually invited experts from all over the world, from neutral countries and even from countries they had occupied, and let them do the research or at least partake in that research.

 

And that is the way you should do it. The Soviets after the war—already during the war—did nothing like that! They had a commission that was actually re-examining the Katyn mass graves and blamed it on the Germans with an expert report—complete fake! And the same commission, with the same people, discovered more and more mass graves of German atrocities all over Soviet Russia and claimed outrageous numbers of people killed. On the face of it, obvious exaggerations.

 

What should have been done is somebody go in there and do the actual Katyn, German-style, independent, international forensic examinations. For instance, it happened in Cambodia—massive atrocities, auto-genocide if you wish. They called it a politicide. The intention was not to wipe off an ethnic group—that was not the intention of the Khmer Rouge. The intention was political ideology of an extreme degree. Mass graves of up to 2 million people. So up to one third of the Cambodian population was murdered there. And they had intensive forensic efforts to exhume those mass graves and to count the victims—an absolutely atrocious job when we’re talking about well north of 1 million human beings that were eventually found. Similar thing you had with the Kosovo mass murders that are said to have happened in the Kosovo War, 1999 and thereafter.

 

So this is the way it should be done. It’s never been done in the context of what we are looking at here. And the longer it takes to do it, the less likely it is that things can be clarified. Who are these victims? Who has killed them? It gets more and more problematic because Soviet territory is drenched in blood. We’re talking about 1 to 2 million jews presumably killed by German execution squads in this area. We’re talking an area that has seen the Holodomor, that has seen wars with millions of victims and mass graves of war casualties and prisoners of war, the mass executions that the NKVD, the Cheka, has done in the early years—particularly of the Bolshevik Revolution and the reign of Lenin and Stalin. It’s all in those soils there.

 

So wherever you dig, you’ll find bones. We’re talking north of 10 million, potentially, that are not jews murdered by Germans. Who talks about them? There’s a single focus only on that! But the Soviet Union never had an interest in clarifying any of it. They didn’t want anyone to dig in their soil because what you would find most likely is victims of Lenin and Stalin and so forth, rather than jewish victims of German units. And after the collapse of the Soviet Union, nothing changed really. There were a few attempts of Western scholars to excavate mass graves in Ukraine, which has a more neutral stance now since it’s independent. They have an interest in documenting Soviet atrocities—any kind of atrocities.

 

However, those research efforts into claimed German massacres of jewish civilians were again not done forensically. They were done with the background of public attention and commemoration culture. Locate a mass grave—don’t disturb it. It’s kind of the pressure from jewish groups. A jewish grave is not supposed to be disturbed. That’s against certain interpretations of jewish law. That doesn’t hold up in other crime cases.

 

But in that case they are adamant. Don’t rock the boat—meaning don’t investigate who these people are and how many there are and how they died. Just find the mass grave and put a memorial on top of it, and that’s the end of it. And so that’s kind of what happened, which is unfortunate.

 

Massacres did happen. There’s plenty of documentation and some good forensic evidence in a few cases where this can be found, and anything else would be a surprise. As I just mentioned, the Bolshevik Revolution, the predominance of people with jewish background in the early leadership of the Soviet Union and the early leading figures of the Cheka and the NKVD is well documented.

 

Kenny Ko: Also in America why do you think there’s such a heavy focus on the Holocaust and not the Holodomor, or the Bolshevik Revolution? Like why is it such a matter of the emphasis on one?

 

[44:43]

 

Germar Rudolf: Two reasons. First of all, you have of course mightily influential pressure groups. As you know, the Cambodians have a massive pressure group that can impose a memory/commemoration culture of the Cambodian genocide in this country? No, they don’t! The Ukrainians have somewhat of an immigrant group. They don’t have political clout.

 

Jews most certainly in this country have a lot of political clout, to put it mildly. And that’s the entry to imposing that kind of commemorative culture upon a host nation that has originally nothing to do with it. The United States has neither contributed nor assisted, nor was it in any way the victim of anything that concerns the Holocaust.

 

So why is it here?

 

Kenny Ko: And also why is there Holocaust museums in the United States?

 

Germar Rudolf: The other issue is, of course, you need to have a justification for the suffering of the sick. This has been portrayed in general as the “Good War”. The painting of a black-and-white image of absolute evil against absolute good. The Democratic countries fighting absolute evil in the shape of Adolf Hitler and his cronies. This is a narrative that finds its ultimate confirmation in the Holocaust. Even though the Second World War—when it broke out—there was no Holocaust going on. When it was escalating in 1940, there was still no Holocaust going on. When it was then completely getting off the rails with the invasion of the USSR, there was still no Holocaust going on! It is supposed to have started then, within the first half-year or first year of the war against the Soviet Union, step by step on various levels.

 

So the Second World War in itself—its initiation and its expansion and becoming global—had nothing to do with the Holocaust at all!

 

But it’s a convenient tool for people to say:

 

“Yeah, we fought absolute evil!”

 

In hindsight more than back then. And my reaction to that usually is, I’m not defending a dictatorship that tramples human rights into the dust. And that was National Socialist Germany. As I just mentioned a Catholic priest was sent for a few months to a concentration camp in the Third Reich for speaking out against oppressive policies.

 

Had I been alive and kicking in those years with my attitude to stand up against injustice, I may have ended up in a concentration camp as well. I don’t want to have a government of the Third Reich style when it comes to their disregard for the rule of law and for human rights.

 

But on the other hand, any government that allies itself with Stalin cannot claim to fight a good war! The Second World War breaks out in 1939 by Stalin and Hitler both dividing up Poland. So they are both evil at that point and have started the whole mess.

 

Hitler at that point, when you look at the Third Reich death toll of civilians who had become a victim of the regime, you can amount it to roughly a thousand people—people dying in concentration camps, not too many, but already some dying there who probably wouldn’t have died otherwise. You have the November of ’38 pogrom against jews where roughly 100 jews died. And you had the internal strife of the Röhm Putsch in ’34 where several dozen people were killed.

 

So we’re talking about a thousand people roughly that were victims of that regime. Not necessarily murder all of them, but some of them most definitely, or just gross negligence and so forth.

 

At the same time you have the Stalinist regime, which at that point—we can discuss whether it was 5 million, 10 million or 20 million by the time the Second World War broke out—but we are talking about four or five orders of magnitude more victims on the account of Stalin than Hitler!

 

So why would you pick the side of Stalin? I’m not saying you should have picked the side of Hitler. You should have stayed out of it altogether! If you have an interest—you consider both evil, okay? Make sure that they are well balanced and they start fighting each other and grind each other down and destroy each other. And at the end that both of them are kaput! That would have been a good strategy. Then you wouldn’t have to deal with the mess that we had for the entire Cold War.

 

And now with the conflict with Ukraine and all the rest of it—if Russia had been just as exhausted as Germany would have been and then brought to the point where it collapses internally and becomes reasonable; or Germany collapsed and became reasonable to some degree.

 

So anyway, with all this said, during the 1920s in Europe, German jewish organizations were ringing the alarm bell. In the ’20s, Germany itself was kind of unstable. There were a lot of attempts by Left-wing radical groups and communists to destabilize the country and have a revolution of the Soviet style. While at the same time in Europe they were observing very closely—and particularly in Germany—what was going on in the Soviet Union with the massacres happening, the Holodomor being one, but in general, the absolute atrocities on an order of magnitude that was unimaginable in the history of mankind. And seeing in the early 1920s that a lot of it is done by people with a predominantly jewish background. And people were seeing that. So jewish groups in Germany were saying:

 

“Well, this is bad—what’s going on there. The massacres in the millions—and it’s going to get blamed on jews! So the revolution that Trotsky and the Bronsteins are implementing now is going to end up with a backlash of massive retaliation. And during that coming Holocaust, the Goldsteins and the Goldbergs are going to suffer.”

 

So that was a prediction, I think in 1925 or something, by a German jewish organization. And it was kind of a prophecy. Eventual collision between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia was a counter-revolutionary war against the initially predominantly jewish-Bolshevik Revolution. Now, by the time Stalin was in power and the Second World War broke out, Stalin had kind of cleansed his own ranks from predominantly jewish people.

 

When you look at the internally recorded ethnic consistency of the NKVD back then, you see that from ’34,’35 onward, the percentage in the higher echelons of that organization went down when it comes to jews—from 40% that they were at that time down to only, I think, 4% within a few years. You see an anti-Jewish cleansing of the entire political apparatus that Stalin put in place.

 

[Image: the mostly jewish CHEKA secret police]

 

Now of course Germany—Third Reich Germany—didn’t know that; it’s something that came out later. But in the view of Third Reich Germany, that was the embodiment of evil—looking at the millions of people massacred, impersonated by people with jewish background on purpose. Because these people were, in the classic sense, not jews anymore in a religious sense, but they had that background. So massacres were inevitable. They started already when the German army went into Russia. The Soviets, were retreating massively! And they— the local population, particularly in Ukraine—had suffered so much. They were the main battlefield of the Bolshevik Revolution.

See: The Other Holocaust — the Terror Famine in Ukraine

 

And then you had the Holodomor—the attempt of the Russians to break Ukrainian will of independence. What’s going on right now was nothing new. They have been through that for the past hundred years. They’ve been through it repeatedly. So the poor Ukrainians, they get it over and over and over again in history.

 

So by that time the Germans move in, the Ukrainians take matters in their own hands. They have massive pogroms directed against officials and against anything jewish. I know from personal account of Otto Strema [sp]. He used to be a major general in the Third Reich and he went into Russia in 1941 himself—that he stopped pogroms. So certain German units were turning a blind eye to it. Some units were encouraging it, others were stopping it, depending on the mood of the command or whatever was going on. But it was going on. And then Ukrainians collaborated in a large degree with whatever suppression and possibly massacres happened afterwards.

 

That was the backlash of 20 years of Bolshevik massacres that killed north of 10 million, mostly Christians, in Russia! If you see that in the context of the greater historical picture, it’s not a justification. As I mentioned initially, two wrongs don’t make a right. That goes on so many levels.

 

So whatever wrong the Bolsheviks had done is no justification for massacring every jew in sight. And many jews who lived in Russia had nothing to do with the Bolshevik massacres. But it makes things understandable.

 

And ultimately, why do we do history? Because we want to understand, we want to learn the Right, the correct lesson. And if you don’t get the story straight, you’re not going to learn the correct lesson. It’s an ever-escalating sequence of massacres, one justified by the other. And we need to see that, see that we all have blood on our hands when it comes to identifiable groups. That’s one with me. We—I don’t mean individually—but Germans have done bad things. Americans—the carpet bombing and throwing nuclear bombs on Japan—there were war crimes, there were atrocities, there were massacres. So destroying basically all of Central Europe and all of Japan.

 

So you need to understand that we need to find a way out of the circle of violence, to learn the correct lesson here. And it is sure not the correct lesson to learn from the Holocaust to teach jews now, already from the cradle—I’m exaggerating, but I think in 2014 they introduced a law in Israel that Holocaust education is now ready to start in elementary school. Elementary school kids in every country in the world— to any, not just elementary—but it is illegal to expose any children to chainsaw massacres and other fiction horror movies for good reason. It should be just as illegal to expose them to gas chamber massacre movies like Schindler’s List or whatever, which is shown to them at an age when they’re heavily impressionable.

 

Kenny Ko: Right.

 

Germar Rudolf: Because it is even more traumatizing if you show them a chainsaw massacre:

 

“Oh, that’s just fiction, it’s just made up!”

 

But it’s bad enough. And I have an adopted son who has been exposed to that prior to his placement—his biological parents had shown him these things. And I know what effect it can have. It should be illegal.

 

And if you tell them:

 

“Oh, this really happened—something like that—and it can happen again and it can happen to you, and the same people who did that are still around and they’re in your back. Yesteryear there were the Germans. Yesteryear there were the Ukrainians; right now they are the Palestinians in Gaza or the Persians in Iran!”

 

And that justifies then the next massacre. So if teaching about historical massacres is used to justify or gloss over the next massacre, we learn the completely wrong lesson! And that’s what this country, with its support of whatever Israel does! And in particular, jews and Israel, Zionists in the vast majority have been learning because of what we experienced, presumably because it was so unprecedented:

 

“It was without logic, without rhyme and reason, without any historical nexus whatsoever! We have to be aware it can happen anytime and therefore pre-emptively we need to lash out at someone as soon as someone looks askance—under every rock a goy can hide who may want to stuff you into the gas chamber—be aware of it jew! So if anyone ever makes the wrong move, kill them pre-emptively!”

 

“Rise and Kill” is actually a book that was written in this context. And that’s what we see in Gaza. And that’s what we hopefully will not see now in South Lebanon. Detraumatizing jews, but also detraumatizing Germans. They have had a similar lesson to learn that leads them to genocide-suicidal tendencies of wanting to give up because they are so evil, historically speaking, that the best they can do is just disappear. So with broken self-confidence they need detraumatizing, but jews need detraumatizing. If you have a heavy trauma as an individual—and the same applies for ethnic or religious communities, whichever way you want to frame it—you need to understand where the trauma is coming from. But then you need to prevent yourself from being constantly exposed to the same triggers. Overcoming trauma—and I had my own trauma: If you’re torn from your family twice and your family’s been destroyed twice and you’re thrown into prison for scientific research you have done—it is traumatizing.

 

And sometimes when people ask me, tell me a little bit more about the story, sometimes I say no. The jewish attitude of “always remember”, and I translate that as “wallowing in your own suffering of the past as an ethnic group” is exactly the wrong way. You can’t overcome trauma if you wallow in it all the time. You need to move forward. The rock climbers say, don’t look backward.

 

And I couldn’t lead a normal life. You know, I know the US authorities—there are strong groups in this country who want to have me deported again, frame me again, or even in this administration, they just arrest anyone they don’t like and deport them even if they have green cards. They have tried that—they could come after me. So I’m constantly in an ejector seat and I have lived that way over the past 35 years and I can’t be constantly reminded of that. I’m trying to have some normalcy. If you’re in this situation, normalcy is what keeps you sane.

 

And if you constantly wallow in it just destroys you! And turns you into a psychopath or at least a sociopath. And that’s what we see with the approval ratings among average Israelis about what’s going on in Gaza.

 

In fact, fully aware that massacres happen on the magnitude that they are happening, that genocide is being committed on the scale as it is described in the Book of Joshua, of the conquest of the Holy Land, where God has ordered the jews to kill everyone in the Holy Land and take the land. That’s kind of what they are reenacting and get the consent of the majority!

 

What kind of mental conditioning must these people have gone through to get to the point to have no empathy whatsoever and to have these attitudes? And the answer to this is Holocaust indoctrination from childhood!

 

Kenny Ko: That’s a great point!

 

[58:36]

 

 

Germar Rudolf: So it needs to stop. And it is, I think, good news for jews to realize the nightmare they’re living under that turns them into these sociopath/psychopaths almost as a nation or as an ethnic or religious group—whichever way you want to frame it. The nightmare of this uniqueness, the icon of which is the gas chamber, is a nightmare! You need to wake up! Yeah, jews were targeted during the Second World War. And it has a historical reason—it was not justified, but there is reason behind it, but not to the extent and with the means that you think there’s one picture that I show sometimes to people of a group of jews from Israel that have been taken on a tour to Poland—because tours, traumatizing tours of jews into former German concentration camps or the former so-called “extermination camps” on Polish territory are organized regularly. They go there to, … It fulfills the same role as in the past the rabbis had with ghetto jews in shtetel * in Eastern Europe—to make them afraid of the Gentiles outside the ghetto, so that they would stay in the ghetto and would stay together as a herd. And these kinds of traumatization serve the same purpose.

 

[* Shtetl or shtetel is a Yiddish term for small towns with predominantly Ashkenazi Jewish populations which existed in Eastern Europe before the Holocaust. The term is used in the context of pre-Second World War European Jewish societies as communities within the surrounding non-Jewish populace, and thus bears certain connotations of discrimination. Shtetls were mainly found in the areas that constituted the 19th-century Pale of Settlement in the Russian Empire, as well as in Congress Poland, Austrian Galicia and Bukovina, the Kingdom of Romania and the Kingdom of Hungary-Source: Wikipedia]

 

And beyond that, leads to these sociopathic tendencies. They go into a gas chamber at the Majdanek camp, or what is depicted to them as a gas chamber—was until several years ago. And they reenact a gassing scene. How traumatizing that must be for young people after all the indoctrination they had already! Now it turns out the Majdanek Museum later says:

 

“Oh, okay, we lied. That wasn’t a gas chamber. That was one of these things that we had to drop.”

 

In 2005 they made that major revision. Over the years dropped the claimed death toll from 2 million down to only 78,000—not even 4%—and scrapped seven of the originally claimed homicidal gas chambers.

 

So a lot of the enactment that jews had done was completely done in places that were fumigation chambers—closed disinfestation chambers—no homicidal gas chambers at all!

 

Now we skeptics knew that a long time ago and published that. It’s good news—it didn’t happen! And the two remaining gas chambers that they claim—it didn’t happen either. Yeah, massacres happened; happened all over the war. The jews weren’t the only victims. If they get themselves into the line of massacres and genocides that have happened during and after the Second World War—get down from your attitude of being unique! Unique victims feel uniquely entitled not only for recognition, but also for blank checks, …

 

Kenny Ko: For reparations.

 

Germar Rudolf: For lashing out, for repression, for pre-emptive lashing out against whoever is in their way. And this is bad! They need to stop! And the way of doing it is realizing the story has been blown out of proportion and is used to traumatize you need to downgrade it to the real size, which is still bad enough, but not extraordinary. And it just is one link in the chain of human atrocities and catastrophes that have happened. The good news, …

 

Kenny Ko: Based on your findings of doing the forensic research, for instance at Auschwitz, and of course I know I’ve looked into the Treblinka forensic studies of ’99 from Australian researchers—do you believe that gas chambers were actually used to exterminate the jews in any regard?

 

[1:01:49]

 

 

Germar Rudolf: No! Gas chambers, … I have actually written a book that you can find as an ebook on HolocaustHandbooks.com. It’s titled Nazi Gas Chambers: The Roots of the Story. After doing 35 years of research on several levels and writing the Encyclopedia, finally when I wrote it, I had to get an overview and had to connect all the pieces and interconnect everything so that it all fits together. And I started to connect dots that I hadn’t seen before and started to realize who has created that story. After the war primarily jewish witnesses—or witnesses with jewish background, I should say—testified and attested to the existence and use of homicidal gas chambers. Which is no surprise because they were the primary targets for persecution of the National Socialist regime and therefore would of course make up the main body of the witnesses.

 

However, if you look at the claims they made, they were completely disorganized, contradictory. You can say it’s a testimonial chaos and anarchy! Nothing made sense, nothing was disallowed. Whatever claim you can come up with, you find testimonies. This story was streamlined during the postwar years, 1945, 1946, 1947. And I document in that book what the original chaotic claims were—made no sense whatsoever! You could find the absolute most ridiculous claims about anything! And how then step by step, by whom and for what reasons and with which methods the narrative was created.

 

Basically created out of whole cloth, invented out of thin air! And the actors, as I mentioned before—primarily they were actors of the Soviet communist bloc. All these six camps were in Poland.

 

So we’re talking about just four Polish individuals who streamlined. They were—three of them—investigative judges who were interrogating all these witnesses, faced complete chaos:

 

“What are we going to do?”

 

And eventually they agreed on one method, threw everything else out—or in one case actually threw out all the witnesses because none of them made sense—and replaced it with something they copied over from a different camp. So it’s all neatly documented there. It was an operation that was done under the auspices of the Soviet Union—of the Stalinist regime—and the new Stalinist authorities that had been imposed upon Poland after the war, and with the help of, just as I mentioned, fleeing Polish scholars—one historian and three investigative judges. So, no! We know from one particular case that is so elucidating that logic tells you it can’t be anything to it.

 

And I’ll give you a quick rundown of that. Josef Kramer was an SS officer who ran, in the earlier war years, a concentration camp in Alsace-Lorraine. And then later he was transferred over to Auschwitz, ran a camp there for part of the camp for a time, and at the end of the war ended up in Bergen-Belsen, which is an infamous camp too because of the typhus epidemic that caused tens of thousands of victims there, as the British found and filmed the mountains of dead inmates.

 

 

[Image: British army bulldozer at Bergen Belsen being used to move bodies]

 

Now he was put on trial there and he was made—after torture, we have actually accounts of how he was tortured—he claimed that in Natzweiler, in the camp in Alsace-Lorraine, he rigged a little room and did a test gassing. And the way he describes it is absolutely ridiculous from a technical and toxicological point of view. Makes no sense!

 

However, that is supposed to have happened at a time when massive gassing operations are said to have been ongoing in the Third Reich already for years. So had it happened, Kramer, who had experience in various camps, would have known how to do it! But they have him testify to something completely ludicrous that makes no sense at all!

 

Kenny Ko: So you think that was through means of torture, …

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes!

 

Kenny Ko: And essentially getting him to confess to something that was never done?

 

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Germar Rudolf: Yeah, exactly! Now we have proof that it was never done because he was made to testify that this gassing happened with a number of Auschwitz inmates that had been transferred to it in 1943, I think, to that camp in order for their skeletons to be used in a skeleton collection at the Strasbourg University—rather macabre claim. At the Strasbourg Anatomical Institute they found corpse parts with tattooed numbers and they figured these are some of the victims that were transferred from Auschwitz. So there seems to be some truth to it. We don’t know what exactly!

 

But then they made forensic investigations of those inmates. Did they die of the poison that Kramer said he used? That investigation— forensic investigation by a French scholar—conducted in 1946, as I’m not mistaken, disappeared in archives for many years, and only in 2018, I think, was it finally released by the French authorities, and the result is negative. No, it didn’t happen!

 

Of course they’re dead. They died somehow, but not with gassing with hydrogen cyanide.

 

So the whole thing is clear to have been made up. And on the face of the absurd claims of how it’s supposed to have happened—which is technically impossible—it was clear that it can’t have happened. But had Kramer had any idea of post-application in Auschwitz and wherever else he was of such massacres, he would have known what to say and so would the French have. So it’s clear the whole story is made up.

 

Also it’s one of, I would say, the only clear-cut cases where we know from forensic testing of the actual claimed victims—no, it didn’t happen. They have been executed, but not that way. No gas chambers! That doesn’t mean that people didn’t die. I just mentioned in Auschwitz we have documented cases of 135, 500 people dying. Most of them of disease. Typhus epidemic was raging in that camp for one and a half years—and they had dysentery, other issues.

 

And so the biggest death toll of any recorded, documented case in Third Reich German history— all the other camps did not come close to that in itself is a humanitarian disaster! Putting people who are snatched from their homes without due process, without anything, and putting them in camps and exposing them to conditions where they have to die like flies may not be outright murder, but it is manslaughter with gross negligence at least—and 135, 500 cases in that camp alone. And that’s something that Third Reich leadership, …

 

Kenny Ko: Do you believe the amount of deaths was due to the Allied powers cutting off supply routes and whatnot into Germany?

 

Germar Rudolf: In some of the Western camps at the end of the war, ye! When we’re talking about Bergen-Belsen and the amount of corpses there, that was due to force majeure, if you wanted. But still, somebody put these people in the camps. Unless they were hardened criminals or some people who justly were in there—POWs would have been in a war; that’s legal to put POWs in camps—and they would have succumbed to the same circumstances. And some of them did. But if you take civilians—Jewish or otherwise—without due process* and just deport them and put them in these camps, you can’t evade responsibility.

 

[* This is a weak argument as the jews were considered a security threat to the war effort, just as Japanese were put in camps in the USA, Germans and Italians in Australia, etc.]

 

When it comes to Auschwitz, no—the typhus epidemic there broke out in 1942 and got under control only in late 1943. So there were no mass bombing raids disrupting supply lines in the eastern part of Europe at that time, at all! What we do have there, however—we have evidence of the Polish underground spreading typhus germs, typhus-infectious lice, in hundreds of cases on purpose! So it stands to reason that they had some impact, were quote, unquote, “successful” with this kind of underground biological warfare, and made sure that German attempts at wiping out the disease in order to have camp inmates fit for labor and work for their war efforts would be undermined in one way or another. Now that’s war. You can look at it which way you want; the Polish underground killed mainly their own compatriots with that, because they were mostly the inmates in those camps.

 

I mean, there were other East Europeans. But anyway, people who were just as oppressed and occupied as the Poles were. And so it should undermine some part of the German war effort. Whether that’s morally justifiable—this is a different issue.

 

But again, it was the Germans who deported jews by the millions without due process just because they belong to a group—and that this shouldn’t be acceptable.

 

Kenny Ko: Another question I did have for you is—because of the non-gassing of jews and them fabricating the story—why do you think they would have chosen that means if it would have been so hard to prove, of course, through forensic studies and people could have come years later to see that the story was untrue? Why did they choose the route of gassing essentially? Or what do you think your opinion on that would be?

 

[1:10:19]

Germar Rudolf: Again, it is kind of laid out in my book Nazi Gas Chambers. If you look at the Nuremberg Trials, when the story hadn’t coalesced yet, they were claiming for Treblinka steam chambers; they were claiming for Belzec electrocution; Sobibor hadn’t settled yet—they were claiming there mainly chlorine as gas. Auschwitz had Zyklon B. So as I just mentioned, chaotic testimonies about what happened there at the Nuremberg Trial hadn’t settled in yet. It’s completely contradictory that we then eventually agreed—or the Polish scholars agreed—on engine exhaust gas in some of the camps and Zyklon B in Auschwitz. It’s a long story. It starts already in the First World War. I would say. The absolute horror of gas warfare is what people were most afraid of in the interwar period—that if another war breaks out, this is going to erupt again and it’s going to get much nastier than during the First World War.

 

 

So the first stories we have coming out of Auschwitz are actually claims by the underground that the Germans are testing war gases on Russian POWs. It was completely made up, but that was how things started—on that level—and developed from there. Zyklon B was of course used in camps because it’s an insecticide to fight lice. As we just mentioned, epidemics broke out—always break out in war. It’s almost inevitable. In many, many wars in the history of mankind, epidemics have caused more victims, particularly in the civilian population, than the war itself. And to some degree that’s true for World War II. Zyklon B is a convenient item that can— even though originally it’s a benign thing to preserve the life of the inmates by fighting epidemics— be twisted around and be seen as evidence for evil things if it has been used for homicide. You see that on various levels, that things that have the ability for dual interpretation—both benign as well as evil—have been used by the Allies. There is evidence that there was Zyklon B. Therefore they twist the story and say:

 

“You used it for homicide! Because there was so much sold and shipped to Auschwitz. You can’t explain that possibly with disinfestation—you must have committed mass murder!”

 

That’s actually the reasoning that was done by the Allies.

 

When you look at the actual record—Auschwitz being such a huge camp, the hundreds of thousands of inmates that were led through that camp, the huge size of it and the epidemic lice problems they had—it perfectly justified the amount of Zyklon B they received. As a matter of fact, they didn’t have enough to combat the epidemics, evidently. But it gives the opportunity for propagandists then to twist it into something that it was not.

 

And the same with the fact that there were crematoria. Crematoria are also a thing that can fire up the imagination of people. Back then, cremation wasn’t quite as common as it is now. And funerals by fire had been illegal in most European countries—in Christian countries, I should say—because of opposition from the Catholic Church and also a lot of Protestant churches, to the effect that it was just illegal by state law. And that was rescinded only starting in the early 20th century, step by step.

 

And by the time the Second World War was on, it was still not a widespread method, particularly in Eastern Europe. The imagination that people get burned, whether they’re dead or not, is just a horrifying imagination. A lot of people still—they want to be interred, they don’t want to be cremated—because the feeling is, my body is getting burned. It doesn’t sound right.

 

So that’s a convenient way for black propaganda to latch onto their fear and turn the hygienic way of disposing of the victims of mass epidemics and mass casualties into something evil that looks like mass murder. “Gas ovens”—the combination of the two—which is a term that shouldn’t exist because the oven, the furnace, and the gas for killing are two separate things.

 

But it’s this imagination, the merging of these two horrific things, that gives black propaganda a perfect opportunity—proving that many of these German camps had crematoria, and therefore mass murder must have been committed there. And this is just fallacious reasoning, but it was an opportunity that the victorious powers seized and they had the total power to ram this narrative down the throat of the general public. And they succeeded with it.

 

Kenny Ko: Right.

 

And another opinion I wanted of yours is, of course, Treblinka, which I think is one of the more interesting ones due to the revisions and everything that were done once the forensic studies and stuff started to happen. I just wanted your overall input on Treblinka as well.

 

[1:15:00]

 

Germar Rudolf: Treblinka is one of the three camps—in the more narrow sense—said to have been pure extermination camps, close to the demarcation line that separated the German-occupied area of Poland from what the Soviet Union gobbled up after the division in ’39 and which used to be Soviet up to 1921. Poland had just gained them— border stations, if you wish.

 

The revisionist take is that they were transit camps for jews who were sent east. Now the mainstream said they were pure extermination camps. Jews were sent there just to be killed in gas chambers. And as I just mentioned, the initial story for Treblinka was actually steam. That was the predominant claim. How murder was, …

 

Kenny Ko: I thought it was diesel—or was it steam?

 

Germar Rudolf: Diesel is the narrative that became predominant starting in ’46,’47. Back during the war it was steam. There’s an official government report of the Polish government in exile from 15th of November 1942 that explicitly says it was steam. Very detailed, describing the camp and anything that’s going on—allegedly based on witness accounts. So it’s so detailed that it is either a fictitious story made up well, or it had a lot of witness claims to it. Be that as it may, steam was the thing. And the steam is also how it was entered at the International Military Tribunal there. Well, there’s a little bit of— they introduced two. One of them said steam and the other one said:

 

“Well, steam, vacuum, electrocution, gas, whatever.”

 

So as I mentioned, anything goes. The shift to engine exhaust gas happened after the war and it was kind of ongoing when the International Military Tribunal was unfolding. It didn’t find entrance really in the documentation there. But you find it, as I mentioned, in the interrogation protocols that were going on, particularly in Poland. And one key event was a German high-ranking official—high-ranking not by military grade, but by the importance in the context of what we’re talking about—that’s Kurt Gerstein. He has been an officer in charge of the SS Office for Hygienic Technologies and in particular there for disinfestation. He was the man who was overseeing the delivery of gas chambers and Zyklon B and other disinfestants to the various camps—gas chambers in terms of fumigation chambers.

 

So at the end of the war, when the gas chamber propaganda took off and Zyklon B appeared as a mass murder instrument at the Majdanek and Auschwitz camps—Majdanek already in July 1944; it was the first camp to be overrun by the Soviets— and then in January in Auschwitz as well—January ’45—Gerstein was sitting in his office in Berlin and knew that he’s toast! Because he is the one who was in charge of supplying all these camps with the technical means and the disinfestants and the Zyklon B to do whatever they have been doing. So he eventually flees from Berlin, surrenders in his hometown in southwest Germany to the French authorities, and writes a report where it says:

 

“Well, yes, I have been in charge of that Zyklon B. And I was actually ordered to drive to one of these camps—to Treblinka—to change the murder method from diesel engine exhaust to Zyklon B. And I didn’t do it because I convinced the guy that, keep your diesel, Zyklon B is no good. And he kind of destroyed it.”

 

Now why did he do that? He had to depict himself to the authorities as a secret resistor, who would actually destroy the Zyklon B and would make sure that the Zyklon B never reaches the camp—and his account is full of it—that he actually intercepted and made sure that it disappears and that it doesn’t get used and that it gets used for disinfestation at a different place after all.

 

So it was an attempt for him, because on the scale of evil of the Third Reich depicted by the mainstream, you have of course Adolf Hitler, Himmler and so forth. And then you have Adolf Eichmann who deployed all the people to the camp. You have Kurt Gerstein who supplied them with this poison gas and the technical means for applying the poison gas. And then you have the local camp commander. So Kurt Gerstein should have been right up there with Adolf Eichmann—and he knew it.

 

So he makes up this story:

 

“Oh, Zyklon B, I was resisting, I was making sure it doesn’t get there. And instead this stuff actually wasn’t happening with Zyklon B. It was diesel engines. So Zyklon B wasn’t even used. And I made sure the switch to Zyklon B didn’t happen!”

 

A big lie! Mainstream historians nowadays have completely discredited him. The testimonies he made are full of complete absurdities and insanities and historical lies!

 

What has been found out is that he actually embezzled, in today’s money, worth more than $100,000 of funding for Zyklon B purchases and had made a luxurious life during the war for himself. Had people go to Paris, get exotic food items and so forth. And he even stole a painting from a jewish estate that was found in his estate later. So he was corrupt, he was a thief, and he knew he’s on the chopping block and he made up this wild story.

 

Now this wild story he tells to the French authorities; the French authorities wrap it up, they interrogate him and they figure out that he’s probably lying because the stuff he’s saying makes no sense. But they convey this message:

 

“Oh, diesel exhaust is said to have happened. We have this high-ranking, top-notch Nazi official who tells us all about how this is supposed to have happened!”

 

And they communicate that to the Poles and in late 1945 send the whole set of documents to the Polish authorities. And that’s when you see the Polish authorities suddenly switching from electrocution, from steam, from vacuum and all the rest to diesel engine—or engine exhaust. And they throw out everything else and rewrite—1946,’47—the stories of Sobibor, Treblinka and Belzec. They don’t even commit necessarily to diesel, but definitely engine exhaust. In decades thereafter, mainstream historians, when it comes to Belzec – and based on Gerstein – and Treblinka, they say then:

 

“Okay, it was diesel exhaust!”

 

Now diesel exhaust doesn’t have the toxicity needed to commit that kind of mass murder. Diesel engines run on a vast excess of oxygen and so oxygen comes out the tailpipe too, and very little carbon monoxide, which is the lethal part. Tests made with small mammals show that it takes many hours—under worst-case scenario conditions—to kill those little mammals. Humans are usually a little bit less susceptible to this kind of toxin, so it takes even longer. So we’re talking about many, many hours that it would have taken.

 

[1:21:24]

 

 

German engineers knew engines! If you look at who has invented all these engines, you find out the Germans were the center of engine invention. They knew the toxicology and they had even better methods at hand. They had the producer gas generators, because they were cut off from petroleum supplies during the war. Mainly they switched their truck fleet, their buses and even some tanks over to producer gas, which is basically: You take coal, coke or wood and restrict the oxygen supply and make it a little wet. Then it burns incompletely and the gas that comes out is very rich in carbon monoxide, which you then can funnel into the engine and use as fuel. They had hundreds of thousands of them. And the top-notch officials of the Third Reich—Hitler, Himmler, Heydrich—everyone was promoting it to get out from underneath the dependency on liquid petroleum products.

 

And German engineers knew about this technology. It is so rich in carbon monoxide, up to 30% and more, that it’s very quickly lethal. It was everywhere, mass-produced, deployed everywhere, particularly in the transport region. So jews were transported—probably some of them—in vehicles with this kind of producer gas technology. There’s no record anywhere that anyone was ever murdered with this. It was well known. Even this technology was used at times before the invention of Zyklon B to kill vermin! Insects are not susceptible to it. It works only for mammals, but to kill mice and rats. So, known that it is a good method to kill—never used.

 

So the Germans had that and then they are supposed to have settled for the worst possible solution—that doesn’t work: Diesel! No, didn’t happen. In the meantime, mainstream historians have shifted the goalposts again. First they were at steam, then they moved on to diesel. Now they figured out—after the research we’ve done and pointed it out for decades—diesel doesn’t work:

 

“Okay, it wasn’t diesel; it was gasoline engines!”

 

So how long does it take for people to stop believing these mainstream historians if they keep shifting the goalposts, here as well? So much about the technological background. The forensic investigations that were conducted over the years—the Soviets did one, and the Poles after the war,’45,’46. The Poles were doing some excavations but didn’t find the mass graves or leftovers of mass graves that witnesses claimed were there. Then we had a preliminary, somewhat superficial, ground-penetrating radar analysis by an Australian engineer back in 1999, and he’s never published his research because he got cold feet with this.

 

And then we had a British team of forensic archaeologists starting research in 2011—2011, 2012, if I’m not mistaken. And they had preliminary conclusions published in a series of BBC interviews and then in a documentary that they made about Treblinka. But the scientific publication of the actual research results has never been released to this day. And we suspect the reason for that is that they didn’t find what they’re supposed to have found.

 

The claim is that in Treblinka at least 700,000 victims were initially buried in mass graves. And you can roughly calculate what kind of earth volume you need to bury that many people. You can have a theoretical maximum of, say, 10 people per cubic meter.

 

But more realistically, if you’re looking at all the mass graves that have ever been disinterred—where victims of National Socialist massacres have been found, or even other circumstances like the Katyn massacre, like mass graves in Bergen-Belsen that the British dug at the end of the war, or mass graves in Hamburg from the Allied air raids—the 40,000 German civilians that died there were put to rest—so we know roughly what kind of a density these mass graves have. And you don’t get up to 10 per cubic meter; it’s lower than that.

 

But even if you were to do that, the amount of disturbed soil that the ground-penetrating radar research found by this British team doesn’t come anywhere close to what should have been found—certainly in the order of magnitude of 10 or 20% or so. I don’t remember exactly the number. But anyway—way too little! And we are talking about just indications of disturbed ground—that doesn’t mean there were mass graves. Because we know the Soviets did excavations in the area and they didn’t find any. No. So did the Poles—and they didn’t find anything. So they definitely disturbed the soil on a massive scale with these excavations they did. But these are not mass graves.

 

And then the civilian population in the area did wild diggings after the war because there was the rumor running around that the jews had left treasures behind. Whatever jewelry or money they were taking with them—some of it fell on the ground, was buried secretly, or whatever. So civilians were digging up the whole place. There’s actually a Polish report that describes the area kind of like a moonscape with craters. Evidently Soviet soldiers had joined in the frenzy of trying to discover jewish gold by using munitions they had and blowing some artillery shells or whatever to quickly, quote-unquote, “excavate” areas. So there were craters of ordnance that had exploded. Some of it has exposed a few bones here and there, but not to the degree that you would expect for a massacre of that size.

 

But anyway, all these disturbances of the soils—some of them may intersect with actual former mass graves, who knows? But some of them may not so we don’t really know from ground-penetrating radar what we are looking at. You would have to actually do a whole-scale excavation to figure out what is there.

 

Now, as I mentioned earlier, jewish authorities disagree with the disturbance of jewish graves. So they prevent anyone from looking.

 

Kenny Ko: Did they lay pave stones or something over the area of Treblinka?

 

[1:27:11]

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes, I think in the 1960s they paved over a large area where it is said to have happened—whatever that is—with concrete. And they have a lot of rocks erected there as monuments. So ground-penetrating radar, depending on the technology, can look through that.

 

And it’s also not completely covered, so there are areas where it’s not so that wouldn’t completely prevent you. It makes it a little bit more difficult, but it does not completely prevent you from using that technology.

 

Similar in Belzec, however—there they did do core drillings. So it shows you if there’s a will you can do more than just non-invasive methods. You can use mildly invasive methods. And the jews agreed to that they found there as well disturbed ground—way less than is needed, even under the worst-case scenario. So if the jews that were deported—of which we know; we have the records— so and so many jews were deported to these camps—not all of them, only a minority of them in the worst-case scenario—can have ended up in the ground there, according to the data we have for now.

 

Where did the rest go? We know the claims—how the murder is supposed to have happened—can’t work. We know that the claims of how the traces of the mass murder were made to disappear—all those mass graves are said to have been excavated eventually, in the course of mainly 1943, and burned on huge pyres. The claims made there are technically unfeasible for open-Air incinerations. The amount of wood and labor force and space that would have been needed—and time that would have been needed for that makes it completely incompatible with the claims.

 

So this is just a convenient and very anti-scientific way of explaining why the evidence isn’t there:

 

“Oh, because the evidence was destroyed!”

 

The absence of evidence doesn’t prove what you’re claiming. And when you are adding another claim on top of it, which you can’t prove either—that something was destroyed:

 

“I don’t have evidence you killed my wife.”

 

“Where’s your evidence?”

 

“You destroyed the evidence. So you have committed two crimes—you killed my wife and you destroyed the evidence.”

 

So you have to go to jail two times. That’s the way the argument goes here. And that’s ridiculous! With that kind of attitude you can prove every crime.

 

Kenny Ko: Right.

 

Germar Rudolf: That’s not the way it works. That’s not how science works. That’s not how law should work. Which isn’t to say that criminals do not try, and sometimes succeed to some degree or another, to actually make traces of their crimes disappear. Of course it does happen, but that doesn’t alleviate you from the duty to prove that something like that did happen.

 

And by the way, if you have 700,000 corpses in the ground and you have no technical means other than wooden logs and a lighter to make them disappear—they don’t disappear tracelessly. There’s just no way in heaven! So things need to be there! Will anyone ever look, with the attitude societies have now? No! By the time that may have changed—down the road in decades or centuries to come—I don’t know whether it will still have any way of succeeding.

 

But then again, technology—hundreds of years down the road, who knows. Forensic archaeology can find out amazing things about human settlements and human graves that are thousands or even tens of thousands of years old. So who knows what we can find out in future.

 

So there’s a lot of things to be done that mainstream doesn’t want to do.

 

Actually, the lead scientist who did the British archaeological research in Treblinka is going to have a lecture at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum upcoming in a few weeks, I think. And we guys are actually considering going there—but a little bit of a logistical challenge, and it’s a risk because if you start asking inconvenient questions, you don’t know what happens, because you’re going into the midst of people who get very angry. If you challenge—just challenge. Not even say:

 

“Well, it’s wrong.”

 

Just ask inconvenient questions. Then all kinds of shit can hit the fan.

 

So let’s see whether that’s something we can pull off.

 

Kenny Ko: Right.

 

[1:30:56]

 

 

Germar Rudolf: So this is Treblinka. The Achilles’ heel of Holocaust skeptics in this regard is, of course, we don’t— we know that many of them can’t possibly have ended up in the ground, and they can’t have been made to disappear with these fires either. So where are they? Where’s our answer to the question—where are they? We do have anecdotal evidence of people who have claimed—witnesses during the projects launched in the 1980s to get as many survivor testimonies on tape, on record—quite a few witnesses have testified that their trains full of jews were transited through Treblinka, through Sobibor, through Belzec. We have actually a paper about that— it kind of goes through them and lists how many we have—that shows yes, these camps did operate as transit camps. That doesn’t mean they operated only as transit camps, but they definitely did serve to some degree and had the ability to serve that purpose, because there are plenty of witnesses that say:

 

“We were transited through there.”

 

Now, unfortunately, I have experience with getting transited through situations like that, because when I was in Germany spending time, I was several times relocated to different prisons. And sometimes you get through the transit section of another prison on the way to your final destination.

 

Kenny Ko: Right.

 

Germar Rudolf: And I know from experience, I remember having been through a transit camp, but I can’t remember the name of it because you’re there only for a few hours, a few days, depending. In my case, it was even six days. Actually, it was long.

 

In the case of Bełżec/Treblinka, people say they were there only a few hours, or a day or so. why would you remember the name? How likely is it that a train full of 5,000 people or 10,000 or 1,000 people—whatever the train may have had, how many people in it that have been in this place that’s completely remote, unknown back then, completely unknown name of a little, tiny settlement, not even a village in the deep backwoods of Eastern Poland—why would you remember that name? So that some of these witnesses do remember. And they were not alone. They were not brought there individually in a car. No, they were in a train full of people who were all transited through there.

 

So you can extrapolate—if you find 10 witnesses who say that, 100 may have forgotten the name and will never have thought of it. And maybe 10,000 never testified anywhere.

 

Kenny Ko: Very interesting.

 

Germar Rudolf: And then we have, of course, records of resettlement actually having happened. That is the official narrative that you find in the documentation—resettling the jews to the east—because Germany thought they were having the Soviet Union close to its collapse after the ’41 onslaught, and then in ’42—which we’re retreating still deep—the whole thing turned around only in Stalingrad, 1942, 1943.

 

Kenny Ko: I think that was the turning point in the war.

 

Germar Rudolf: Right. That’s when the Germans knew it’s not working. And that’s when all these camps were shut down—no transit anymore.

 

So you have a historical coincidence there. Yeah, coincidence that points to—yeah, in late ’41 and throughout ’42, they thought they can ship those jews to the east, have them work there, have them resettle there, because they’re going to control the area. The Soviet Union is going to collapse. We’re going to reign until the Bering Strait. That didn’t happen.

 

And then in late ’42, early ’43, when things were clear, these camps all got shut down.

 

So what happened to the jews that were resettled to the east? I’m sure we have a number of documents saying as soon as they get unloaded, the local German authorities—they can’t handle them. They are stretched thin with all the limited resources they have in a war. We have no camps, we have no nothing here. These jews, they run all over the place. They run into the woods. So they join the partisans right away. And then we have a major partisan problem. They are fighting us.

 

So one of these local commanders says:

 

“If you don’t announce ahead that we’re going to have these jews coming and if you don’t give us the means to actually accommodate them somewhere, the next train that comes unannounced, we’re just going to shoot all these people. Because if we don’t, they join the partisans right away and then they are going to come back and kill us!”

 

So he was ordered to stop this nonsense and to find accommodations for them and make sure that they all get settled there. That’s what was going on. Massacres did happen in this situation of local commanders saying:

 

“I can’t handle these jews. What are you guys doing? They are joining the partisans!”

 

And so some of them got killed ahead of time. Some of them joined the partisans, got killed in that process. Some of them survived. There’s actually one report saying that the Russians, at the end of the war—the Soviets—overran a camp where Germans had concentrated many of them, and the Soviets ran into them. There were jews that had been deported from Western Europe. So there they were. And that was only one case that was reported. Maybe there were more. So some of them got overrun by the Soviets. They may or may not have let them pass.

 

The number of people in Europe who were displaced persons—that includes jews, but not just jews. Eastern Europeans were fleeing from the Red Army advancing. The Germans were being ethnically cleansed all over the place. End-of-war and post-war Europe was a mess where people by the millions were moving Left and Right. How many jews who had been pushed this way and that ended up in displaced person camps that eventually led to them immigrating to Israel—what was to become Israel—obviously a lot of them to the United States, which stopped counting jews or registering the religious affiliation of people somewhere in the early stages of the war actually— and to other countries—is not 100% recorded. So there are a number of fates that these people will have had.

 

And another nasty one could be that a lot of these jews, if they were fit to work, were made to work for fortifications, improving infrastructure. You see that in Ukraine now in the war—each fall and spring they have a mud problem. And they had that back in the Second World War too. The roads back there were in worse shape.

 

So they had a lot of these jewish labor columns improve the roads so that the German supply runs could actually go to the front. And these jews, if they were ever overrun by the Red Army, had collaborated with the Germans—with the German war effort. Stalin didn’t have any mercy for these people. They didn’t really do it voluntarily for the Germans and were forced laborers. But Stalin didn’t give a rat’s arse! If you surrender as a Soviet soldier and become a prisoner of war, Stalin would kill you! A similar situation you have actually right now with what’s going on in Ukraine.

 

And if you are a civilian, you surrender to the German authorities and you work for them rather than fight to your death, then I’m going to kill you! So yeah, people were deported to Siberia. Even if they were concentration camp inmates, forced laborers whatsoever—not all of them, but I’m sure some of them were.

 

So there’s a whole broad variety of things that can have happened to these people. Some of them led to their death, some of them led to them immigrating and being just fine. So we will, at the end of the day—with history being obscured by the Eastern Bloc having been obscured for 40 years, and the Western powers not having too much of an interest in clarifying this issue, of diversifying historical data, historical viewpoints, historical interpretations; and then of course keeping that narrative as it is because it’s supportive of the post-war order and the powers, the pecking order, so to say—the chances of us ever finding out exactly what happened to these people will not be improving.

 

And Russia nowadays—after the collapse of the Soviet Union—they haven’t been cooperative either. Initially, yes, we could actually get access. A lot of the material that we’ve published is based on documentary resources that we found in archives that had been hidden from Western researchers up to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

 

But then, mainly on pressure of the German government, these Eastern archives closed their Gates again to independent researchers. You now need university or government accreditation before they let you in. So much about freedom of science and scholarship.

 

So that’s where we are with this. Is that a good answer for your Treblinka question?

 

[1:38:50]

 

Kenny Ko: Those were great answers all around, I must say.

 

And actually we just hit around the two-hour mark. I would definitely be down to do a part 2 diving into some more with you, without a doubt. Before we wrap up, I also of course want to thank you, Germar, for not only standing up and doing this for the masses and the future generations to get this information—continuing down that journey and seeking the truth! Because I think it is a core fundamental part, like you said, with history, to learn lessons. And if we don’t have the history correct, how are we supposed to learn lessons moving forward?

 

So is there anything you want to close with? I know you already said, of course, where people can find a lot of your writings and of course the free and then also the purchasable versions. But any social medias or anything you would like to tell the people?

 

Germar Rudolf: Well, the easy way, if you want to get in touch with me or follow me—I have it here on the screen. My website, my personal website, is GermarRudolf.com. It also has links there to all the things that I mentioned: To the Holocaust Handbooks, the encyclopedia. We have a Holocaust Academy where we teach the ropes of Holocaust skepticism. And we have actually a HoloCast—a podcast—where I elaborate on these things. The Holocaust 101 from a skeptical point of view, and 102, and the rest of it. Links to the free speech lobby group that I’m involved in, the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust—CODOH.com. You’ll find links there to that, to our stores where you can purchase the books, and social media links you can find on that website too. My channel on X, which is basically what I focus on. The rest is too much censorious and you get thrown out.

 

Kenny Ko: I get that. Blanket censorship is a little out of control! But you guys that are watching, make sure to leave a like on the video. Go show him some support for what he has been through for all of us to obtain this knowledge and understanding and evidence, and through the forensic studies. Leave in the comments down below what you guys think of all of this, or any future topics—if we do a part two—that you guys would like Germar to discuss or cover for you.

 

And once again, Germar, thank you once again for your time. I appreciate you sitting down and having this conversation with me.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, much appreciated.

 

Kenny Ko: Of course. Have a good one.

 

Germar Rudolf: You too.

 

Kenny Ko: Awesome! All right, here—I’ll stop the recording.

 

 

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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Tim Murdoch: This is Tim Murdoch. You’re watching WhiteRabbitRadio live in Game Exotica, the interview series. We have on Blair Cottrell. He will be on hopefully for almost a whole show, but most likely only half a show because he’s on a phone and all these, I guess we can say foreign run convenience stores don’t have the right cord for him.

 

So his phones might run out of charge on us and probably will. So get your questions in. We’re here to talk about Joel Davis and things going on over in Australia. Joel can’t be on because of his crazy bail.

 

So how you doing, Blair?

 

Blair Cottrell: I’m doing fine, man! It’s nice and early here. Not that early. What is it, like 8 o’ clock in the morning? But rolled out of bed, frantically searched for the local convenience stores with friendly local neighborhood Indians. Trying to find the Right charger cord. And I bought one not to let you guys down, but then it’s the wrong one. So we’re just gonna have to see how long this lasts.

 

But the reason I’m in a hotel is because a friend and I traveled from Melbourne to Sydney last night. It’s like a nine hour drive. Australia is a big country like America, but when you factor in the couple of stops to get fuel, it ends up being like 10 or 11 hours. And we did that to visit Joel. First time I’ve seen Joel since he’s been released from prison. Been released on bail about a week ago, just less than a week ago.

 

He’s got stacked of new charges on him. He was initially. If you guys don’t know the story, Joel’s someone I stream with down here. Joel Davis, political commentator and streamer from Australia. He was charged with offending a politician [Allegra Spender], harassing or offending a politician in a Telegram post for a comment he made in a Telegram post that was posted to his public channel. And he was held in isolation as a “national security threat” for the last four months. He was finally released on bail by a Supreme Court justice, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of New South Wales. But he had to pay a lot of money to get there. I think he raised maybe 40,000 from his supporters to get to that point to be released on bail from the Supreme Court. But I think he’s like down to his last 4,000 now.

 

So that’s how much it’s cost him just to get bail for a relatively not less than serious charge. It’s not really a serious charge. It typically carries a pretty low imprisonment rate. I think 6.5% of people that get charged with the same offense that Joel’s been charged with actually end up going to jail at all! So almost 95% of people that get charged with this don’t even go to jail at all! Joel hasn’t even been found guilty yet. He’s not even been convicted. He’s just been accused! But he was held in prison because he’s considered a “national security threat” due to his ideology and various opinions that he shares while he’s streaming.

 

So I had dinner with him last night, and he hasn’t changed at all! If anything, he’s, like, sharper and clearer and even more intelligent than he was before. It’s not surprising because when you sit in jail for a while, you’re removed from all of the petty distractions and the quote, unquote, “degeneracy” of normal society, and all you can really do is read and write. And when you do that for four months straight, you come out quite sharp and clear.

 

So, yeah, he’s in great spirits. He’s very happy to be home. Very grateful to everyone who supported him. He is. Everybody who made it possible for him to get bail, who pitched into the fundraiser. That was huge! But yeah, we had a good laugh. We had some food. He’s feeling good. So that’s where he’s at right now!

 

But he’s banned from the Internet.

 

The reason I have to speak for him, I guess, or update you guys, is Joel is banned from the Internet! Okay? He can’t even have a smartphone, guys. The judge has ruled that he has to have an old brick phone that can’t access the Internet. He’s allowed to access the Internet by computer, but he can’t post anything to social media. He can’t comment on anything, and he can’t have access to the Internet from his phone. Those are his bail conditions imposed by the Supreme Court Justice.

 

Tim Murdoch: Can we petition? Can I pay a lawyer to petition to get him on WhiteRabbitRadio? I wonder how funny that would be. How would that go?

 

Blair Cottrell: I doubt it.

 

Tim Murdoch: I think they’d probably throw him back in jail or something, right? Try to throw me in jail, maybe.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah.

 

Tim Murdoch: But anyways. I think that’s kind of funny, though. Well, it’s funny that they’re going to that extreme, but they’re just trying to make an example out of him, and they did. Is there any precedents for trying to keep him off the Internet or denying his civil, … This is denying his Civil Liberties in a modern, …

 

Blair Cottrell: We don’t really have., …

 

Tim Murdoch: Denying him the public square. I mean, he can’t come on a radio show and talk about his case. He can’t have a smartphone and post to his Telegram. Even if he’s not violating, … Telegram is not illegal in Australia. It’s not illegal for him to post on Telegram. It’s just illegal for him to say certain things which they’re constantly trying not to specifically define.

 

[07:18]

 

Blair Cottrell: There is some precedent. Look, this demonstrates the bail conditions imposed on Joel basically being banned from the Internet because the accusation against him stems from a post made on the Internet.

 

And so while the matter is still active and a conviction is yet to be found bail conditions preventing him from using the Internet. This kind of thing demonstrates the disparity between Australia and America. We don’t have Civil Liberties. We don’t have free speech rights down here. Like, so no one has the rights to be criticizing any government official, really. As long as you’re not being overly belligerent. You might be able to, but depending on the language you used, you can be charged with menacing or harassing or maybe something else. It’s getting quite tight down here, especially in recent years. But there’s been a significant shift in the past six months or so.

 

I mean, last year, after our most significant or our worst terror attack in the country’s history occurred on Bondi beach in New South Wales, a couple of Muslim characters opened fire on people on a beach specifically targeting jewish people. I think it was at a jewish festival of some sort. It’s like certain government bureaucrats were so disappointed that the shooters weren’t White guys that they just unleashed on Joel Davis! It’s like the Eye of Sauron was just completely focused on Joel Davis. And Joel’s, like, really surprised by it. When we were eating dinner last night, he was laughing! He’s like:

 

“How is this real? Like, I just posted one thing to Telegram and I’m being treated worse than the actual terrorist who shot those guys on the beach. I’ve been banned from the Internet!”

 

He’s almost struggling. He’s laughing at it, but he’s almost struggling to wrap his head around the logistics of it. And it doesn’t actually make sense.

 

So there is some precedent for people being restricted from using the Internet in a certain way if their accusation relates to something on the Internet in Australia. But the major point to consider is its very different from America. Here, basically, you can be just held indefinitely while your matter is being argued without any proof of guilt. You’re essentially guilty until you try to pay enough to prove yourself innocent. You know, so the whole concept of “innocent until proven guilty”, it exists in legal theory, but in practice it doesn’t exist because you get accused of something and then you sit in jail until the matter is finalized in court, until you pay enough money to prove your innocence, or do a deal and get out somehow.

 

So that’s how it really works.

 

Tim Murdoch: He can talk with his friends, he can talk with you and go to dinner with you. Not a problem. What he’s restricted from like former NSN because that’s been disbanded. For instance, if Tom comes and sees him, can he see Tom?

 

Blair Cottrell: I’m pretty sure he can, but the thing is, Tom has also been charged with a number of offenses which confine him to his state. And Joel resides in a different state right now, the neighboring state.

 

So you can’t cross state boundaries legally while you’re on bail for these offenses. And Joel can’t leave the state either.

 

Tim Murdoch: They basically have to have their cases done with, right?

 

Blair Cottrell: Correct. Yeah. So they can move through states freely again. And that’s very standard for any sort of indictable criminal offense for which you’re on bail. You’re not supposed to leave the state without permission. So technically they could call the police and say:

 

“Look, I want to go interstate to visit my friend and come straight back. Can I do that?”

 

But it just comes down to the whim of some police bureaucrat whether or not you can actually do that.

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah. Not a free country! But none of us live in a free country. Just some more than others at the moment, maybe. When does this, how long. What is the next step for him? How long will this take before he can get to court? Because now he’s released on bail. But the matters are still pending. These guys have all kinds of matters pending, technically, I guess.

 

Blair Cottrell: Right. While Joel was in what’s called Long Bay Jail, New South Wales, in isolation, being held without conviction as a national security risk, he was hit with something like nine other charges, or more than that.

 

I can’t remember what he said. There’s a whole bunch of other charges.

 

Tim Murdoch: Are they more or less serious charges? I remember this, but when it comes to these Australia charges these charges are serious, but they’re not doing it. I mean, these guys really aren’t doing anything! They’re just hitting crazy charges over Telegram posts or crazy charges for getting into an argument with the shitlibs or it’s just total insanity!

 

But nonetheless, the charges are there and the charges are very serious on the books. And the police treat them like these are major criminal offenses and terrorists and so on and so forth.

 

Blair Cottrell: Typically, for this kind of thing, the police wouldn’t usually get out of bed for something like what Joel posted on Telegram, it’s just because of his ideology. And that was more or less admitted by the court system in the magistrates level of court, which is a lower level of a state court in Australia. Magistrates were just like:

 

“Look, usually bail would apply, but because of his ideological connections and the sensitivity around that, given this recent terror attack, he needs to be held in prison.”

 

Basically. That’s what they were essentially saying.

 

But look, all of the charges that Joel has, I think there’s beyond nine of them right now! Nine or ten or maybe even more. They’re all in relation to streaming. Okay. They’re from things. I think he has six charges from one stream! From the things he said about other ethnic groups.

 

[13:05]

 

Tim Murdoch: These are streams with you? These are streams with Americans or you don’t know?

 

Blair Cottrell: Stream with me. Yeah, well, it was just a stream out of Australia with me. The one in question. The’s being charged with a number of offenses relating to “inciting contempt or revulsion of a specific class of people”, which is relatively new legislation under Australia’s Racial and Religious Tolerance Act.

 

Tim Murdoch: This is saying something about jews, probably.

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, one I think is comments about jewish people. One is about Indian people and the other is about black people.

 

And all of the comments, there’s like six different charges I think, if my memory serves me right. But I know he’s definitely been charged a bunch of times in relation to one stream. And here’s the thing man, and this is what’s super interesting.

 

You probably heard Nick Fuentes have a crack at Joel and say:

 

“He’s just a Wignat. This was always going to happen to this guy. What an idiot! Whatever.”

 

But Joel has been charged for essentially being a groiper and streaming, like doing exactly what Nick Fuentes does.

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah, but he’s in Australia.

 

Blair Cottrell: He’s been charged for what he’s saying in streams, and then directing his followers to criticize politicians on X. He’s been charged with doing the same thing. Americans have the freedom to do this apparently, but we don’t.

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah, Nick actually said something that over his sentencing after the fact. But nonetheless, he can be on all sides of the ball, depending on who’s on his nerves on any given day.

 

Blair Cottrell: I think Nick’s great value. When he initially, his comments were:

 

“Oh, this was always going to happen to Joel!”

 

But I think when you look at the charges, …

 

Tim Murdoch: Liek:

 

“The charge this is bullshit!”

 

Or something. I forget what he said.

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, it’s bullshit when you look at the charges. Initially, you’re like:

 

“Okay, Joel was pretty loose!”

 

Everyone can agree that Joel was pretty loose. He was going pretty hard.

 

When you look at what he’s actually being charged with doing. What he’s actually being charged for doing is basically the same thing that Nick does for a living. And you’re like:

 

“What? Hang on, it doesn’t., …”

 

Like I said, it demonstrates the difference legally between Australia and America, and it demonstrates how important it is to have legislation, constitutional rights to freedom of speech, because this is what happens when you don’t have that.

 

Tim Murdoch: Fascinating. So how long will this take before all this particular case is over with and all these other cases. What’s the lineup like?

 

Blair Cottrell: I’d imagine he’s got 12 to 18 months of court appearances, but his next move will be to, at his own convenience, try to get all of the charges heard in bulk in one or two matters, so he doesn’t have to go to court for every single different offense.

 

Tim Murdoch: It’s all the same.

 

Blair Cottrell: Otherwise. It’s just too, …

 

Tim Murdoch: Him running his mouth. It’s all the same stuff. Him live streaming and talking.

 

Blair Cottrell: And there’s the Telegram post, which is a different category of offending, but similar still. And there’s a bunch of other offenses in relation to other things he said. He’s even being charged in relation to private messages he’s had. Because when the police. This is what I forgot to mention. When the police arrested him, the Federal Police, they took his phone, they went through everything, and he’s been making jokes with friends in private conversations that he’s been charged for. Like, literal private conversations that were never public. Because he’s mentioned people specifically in some of those, like, comments, which was all in jest mostly because when you’re talking to the boys, you think it’s private. You say stuff. You say stuff that you don’t think other people would see. But the police have gone through all of it. And he’s got charges in relation to private DMs as well.

 

Tim Murdoch: That’s, its such bullshit! None of these politicians could hold up to those standards. And it’s absurd! But nonetheless, it’s something he’s going through. I remember his fundraiser. I remember putting up and his fundraiser was doing well. Does he have enough money for court? You guys have some good lawyers these days compared to like 10 years ago.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, 10 years ago I was relying on the sympathy, … When I was charged with “hate speech”, I was relying on the sympathy of one lawyer, one lawyer slash barrister, like performing two roles. And I paid him as much as I could, but it was never quite enough. These days there’s a lot more resources available, there’s a lot more sympathy internationally. And the lawyers that Joel has access to, the barrister he used at the Supreme Court, all very professional, top tier stuff. And having access to that for him right now is like indispensable!

 

Tim Murdoch: Plus, there was no such thing as, like GiveSendGo or anything like that, back in the day. There was no crypto.

 

Blair Cottrell: Shout out to GiveSendGo too, by the way. Like just standing strong in the face of all the pressure they must receive from governments around the world and saying:

 

“Look, we believe in free speech. If these people want to raise money, they’re not doing anything illegal. They can raise money.”

 

Like most platforms, most fundraiser platforms would not do that. So GiveSendGo, they’re top notch.

 

[18:26]

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah, I haven’t checked out his fundraiser. I’m assuming it’s still going or I know he hit his goal. That’s all I remember.

 

Blair Cottrell: I think maybe he was saying to me last night that he’s nearly spent at all! Just to get bail.

 

Tim Murdoch: I would imagine.

 

Blair Cottrell: But, I don’t know the details of when he goes to court next and what’s going to be necessary. So once that is known, I’ll help get the information out there and we’ll see what we can do to keep helping him.

 

Tim Murdoch: Okay. And Tom as well. Right. And who else? I know that there’s other guys charged, correct?

 

Blair Cottrell: Oh, there’s a bunch of guys with a bunch of charges. I don’t even know how many. I think the point, obviously is you’re probably understanding Tim. I think the point is just to bog you down.

 

The point is like to just throw this hooked net, this hooked net of just legal nonsense over you that you get entangled in for years. You spend your energy on it, you spend your money on it. And that just kind of holds you back from activism, politics and what you really care about. And that’s the way the Australian government deals with its dissidents.

 

Tim Murdoch: The “process is the punishment”, as they say over here. That’s the whole entire deal. You might get off because it’s all bullshit, but you’re going to have to go through money and it’s all big pain in the ass.

 

Hopefully everyone comes out smarter and more clever. But nonetheless, it sounds like he’s in good spirits. And now this particular program where you can’t be on a smartphone or anything like that, that’ll continue until that particular or trial is over?

 

Blair Cottrell: I think the intent generally, because he has 20 bail conditions, I think, that’s more bail conditions than I’ve ever heard anyone having! Even like the worst criminals don’t get that. I think that the Supreme Court Justice probably just wanted to demonstrate that she was taking everything seriously. She wasn’t just releasing him willy nilly. She wanted to demonstrate to the (((right people))) that she still considers him very threatening. Whatever.

 

Tim Murdoch: Why did he have to be released to his mother and not his wife and kid?

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, this is the funny, this is a weird thing. He’s been banned from Bondi, where his partner lives. And that’s public knowledge now because the media, like doxed her ages ago and, …

 

Tim Murdoch: Right.

 

Blair Cottrell: Literally took a photo on there. Yeah, she was coming out the front of her house. They literally was waiting for her, taking a photo, which I don’t know how that’s legal, is that stalking? The media seems to be able to do whatever they want here. So I don’t know.

 

Tim Murdoch: She’s being a public person now. But they do celebrities. Where there is no decorum, there is no decency in the societies we live in anymore.

 

Blair Cottrell: That’s a good way to put it. Right. And that’s how it feels, definitely!

 

But in Bondi, that’s where the terror attack happened against members of the jewish community. And because of Joel’s public statements considered anti-semitic and because there’s a considerable population of jewish people living in Bondi, that seems to be the reason he’s been banned from that whole suburb. He can’t go to that suburb!

 

Despite the fact that his partner and child live there. And that was his previous residence. That’s where he lived as well. He can’t go home. He’s not allowed to go there because jews live there!

 

Tim Murdoch: Can they come and see him? Can they come to his mother?

 

Blair Cottrell: They can visit him, but I think it’s like an hour’s drive or something, so there’s a bit of a distance to travel. But they have visited him regularly since he’s been out. He’s building a relationship with his son:

 

“My son seems to like me. He’s happy when I hold him.”

 

Is what Joel said:

 

“You know, my son likes me.”

 

So that’s good news. It was just good to see him last night Tim. He’s happy. He’s the same old Joel, but kind of sharper and more energetic than ever!

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah, I know that when he first got in, it was really bad! Right. Did he have any stories from jail that he told you?

 

Blair Cottrell: So many! Too many to get into. It was really funny because even though he’s in isolation, he’s in isolation with other guys in other cells who can all talk to each other through the vents and the walls.

 

Tim Murdoch: Okay.

 

Blair Cottrell: And so, yeah, he met some very interesting characters. Very funny stories. Probably the funniest thing that I could share without stepping on any toes or upsetting anybody. I didn’t know this. I assumed that when Joel was arrested by the Federal Police in Australia, when he was arrested, he was arrested at a cafe while he was eating breakfast. And because it was just down the road from where his partner lives, I assumed that his partner was at the cafe with him.

 

But that wasn’t the case. He said to his girlfriend, who was due to give birth to their baby the next day, he said:

 

“Babe, I’m going to get breakfast. I’ll see you later!”

 

And he never came back! [chuckling] The day before his girlfriend was due. So she was probably sitting at home thinking:

 

“Has he ditched me? What the fuck?”

 

The timing of that [chuckling] was really ironic and funny. Like when he told the story.

 

[23:40]

 

Tim Murdoch: I remember him getting arrested. I didn’t know it was a restaurant. I didn’t know where it was at. I just remember seeing him getting arrested, the picture. I wonder what he was eating that morning?

 

Blair Cottrell: And I think even the cafe owner made a comment to the media, because the media rushed into the cafe, the breakfast cafe, and asked a bunch of questions and even asked:

 

“What was he eating?”

 

I think he was eating smashed avocado on toast. That was his last meal. That was his last meal! But look like credit where credit’s due. The police actually went, Joel said:

 

“Can you at least tell my girlfriend what’s happened? Because she’s going to think I just ran away!”

 

So [chuckling] the police actually went and knocked on the door and said:

 

“Yo, just so you know, we arrested your boyfriend. That’s why he’s not coming home.”

 

Tim Murdoch: It seemed like the media was there as he was arrested, which is kind of shady. They must have known about it or something. Or did they?

 

Blair Cottrell: I don’t think so. I think the footage of him being arrested comes from police body cam footage. Okay, maybe. I think they all have cameras on their chests and these days it’s part of procedure to actually document high profile arrests and stuff like that. So I think that’s where that footage came from. And the media rushed there after the fact.

 

Tim Murdoch: Fascinating. Okay, did he have any words of advice? Is he full of advice and knowledge now?

 

Blair Cottrell: He’s definitely acknowledging that there’s a shift in what is going to be possible in Australian political discourse in the future. Okay, that’s probably the best advice. He hasn’t given any advice directly, but this is what I’m projecting to you guys as what I think is probably the best advice given the situation. Joel’s acknowledging pretty much openly that the stuff they were doing before, stuff him and the NSN were doing, the kind of activism they were doing, has essentially been made a “hate crime”. It’s illegal now to openly criticize the jewish community is basically illegal in Australia now. You can’t do that.

 

And so you need to approach discourse in a way that appreciates that new reality. And Joel’s acknowledging that, everyone’s acknowledging that’s why the NSN has disbanded, to prevent their members from going to jail for 10 years for being a member of a hate group.

 

So that chapter of the NSN, the way it was, is done. And a new chapter in Australian political discourse is opening. But what that’s going to look like isn’t clear yet because the laws that have been imposed are so extreme, no one’s sure what’s going to be allowed and what’s not. And it’s going to come down to the whim of political bureaucrats.

 

Tim Murdoch: Sounds like a bunch of bullshit, that’s for sure! Let me get to a Superchat because this one’s for you, actually:

 

“Happy to hear of Joel’s release.”

 

Thank you White Bitch Triple Six. What a handle she has, eh? See what we’ve got here. Okay, up here:

 

“Happy to hear of his release. Hope him and his family, …”

 

Let me get this right here:

 

“Hope him and his family are doing well despite these bogus charges. Wondering if Blair does one on one fitness consultations. I would pay for an hour of his fitness wisdom.”

 

Actually, I think you have something going down that particular line. You’re lining up websites and stuff like that and that’s something you do know about, but go ahead.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, thanks for asking. I do provide. That’s what I do to support myself. And I think I’m pretty good at it. I can basically solve your problems in that regard. And I try to offer a lot more than most people do and I’m very pretty passionate about that. You’ll have to DM me on either Telegram or Instagram at the moment because I’m still setting up a more convenient way for contact. And that’s nearly finished.

 

But if you’re keen to get onto it straight away, just send me a DM on Telegram. It’s at Blair Cottrell. Just my full name. Or you can find me through my main channel, which is at Real Blair Cottrell. And that’s what I do. I help people burn fat and build muscle. I’ve been doing it a while.

 

Tim Murdoch: You can also email me White Bitch Triple six, since I know who you are and I will put up his information because I have all of it. I’ll send it back to you in an email if you didn’t get any of that or you need to know how to get a hold of him. I’ll try to hook you two up.

 

But yeah, that’s what he does. But go ahead, finish.

 

Blair Cottrell: That’s fine. I appreciate it, Tim. Cheers. That’s basically. There’s not a lot more to say.

 

But before the show started, you were asking me about Ben Roberts Smith, the veteran who was recently arrested. That’s a big deal in Australia too, guys! Like this is like a huge deal! This guy Ben Robert Smith, if you don’t know, he’s like a 6 foot 7 chad, Special Forces SAS, Australian army veteran who in Afghanistan was basically responsible for rescuing his colleagues, which he was very good at doing. He’s known for storming significant numbers of enemy troops on his own and somehow winning! This guy’s like basically being hailed as a war hero ever since the war in Afghanistan. There’s certain situations where Australian troops were betrayed by members of the local army or police who offered to kill them in exchange for doing a deal with the Taliban at the time. And they were pinned down by enemy fire, they were betrayed, they were murdered in their sleep. And Ben Robert Smith was the guy who hunted those guys down to save any colleagues that had been captured or pinned down.

 

[29:18]

 

Tim Murdoch: He was in some type of anti-terror squad?

 

Blair Cottrell: I think SAS is kind of like a Special Forces or like a more serious, … I don’t know exactly! Tom Sewell would be much better explaining.

 

Tim Murdoch: I can tell you what the problem was in Afghanistan is that there was a continuous issue on the rules of engagement, where someone could fire at you, throw a grenade at you, throw a bomb at you, or do something like that. Then they would make sure the village they were hiding in they would drop the gun, run back to the village. They would basically make sure that they were unarmed at all times because you couldn’t really do anything with an unarmed individual. It became like a police operation for a lot of different guys. But there was various different teams hunting these guys down. Yeah, playing these games. It was very nasty!

 

Blair Cottrell: It was. And that’s the thing. Basically the Australian army was in Afghanistan supposed to be hunting terrorists, terror networks, members of terror cell groups, but they basically had an arm tied behind their back and their feet bound at most cases. Like they couldn’t actually do their job properly because the rules of engagement kept changing. You just described it in a great way. They would like fire on Australian soldiers, then drop their rifles and act like they were just citizens.

 

Tim Murdoch: Well, this was a problem. This is a problem with my friends that were there from America. So no, this is what they were doing. They were feathering or floating the rules of engagement, terrorists were to make sure that:

 

“Well, they can’t kill me because I’m unarmed.”

 

When they just basically killed one of their friends, you know, an hour for something like that they were constantly playing these games where they became a policing operation. You have to go in and fingerprint them and try to prove the crime. It was a fucking mess, it wasn’t a war, basically.

 

Blair Cottrell: Look the big drama is one of our war heroes from that time, from that era, from Afghanistan. The main one who became a bit of an icon was Ben Robert Smith. But there’s this huge, complex investigation that’s taken place behind the scenes, headed up by I think a combination of media and the Australian Federal Police, they’ve like sent people over to Afghanistan to try to get statements to use against their own soldiers. And the name Ben Robert Smith, that’s the one they kept targeting. There was a defamation case initially against media bureaucrats, specifically a journalist named Nick McKenzie who called Ben Robert Smith a war criminal without evidence. So Ben Robert Smith took him to court and said:

 

“That’s slander, I’m not a war criminal, I’ve got all these medals, what the hell?”

 

But the courts ruled in the favor of the media and they said:

 

“Well look, it could be true, so we don’t know the truth, so it’s not slander.”

 

So it’s like it basically just demonstrates that journalists can say whatever they want about anyone in Australia without any real basis. But now, a year or two after that finding, he’s actually been charged with five war crimes. With apparently either shooting people or commanding his comrades to shoot people who weren’t actually soldiers, weren’t Taliban or weren’t connected. That’s the accusation.

 

But this is the thing, guys, whether he’s guilty or not isn’t really what matters. What matters is the ripple effect that this has on our sense of national pride, the trust our soldiers have in each other and in our government and military, the willingness to actually join the military and go fight for the country. All of that gets pole-axed. That gets steamrolled now by the fact that they can’t even feel confident to go and kill their enemies to do what they’re trying to do without being thrown in jail for life for it when they come back. Because that’s a war crime! That’s the kind of feeling that this is created.

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah. When I first heard it, I thought it was like ICC. I thought it was going to be a big international deal. Then I looked and I’m like:

 

“Holy shit, they’re bringing him up on charges inside of Australia!”

 

This is like some kind of shitlib ordeal, where they actually put up billboards and had advertisements over in Afghanistan for testimony and stuff like that you know, they’re like drumming stuff up!

 

It is somewhat unprecedented now, I assume, because a lot of these guys from my experience, aren’t necessarily on our side. In fact, the ones I know I would kind of consider assholes. [chuckling] You know, our societies are heavily degraded. These guys aren’t necessarily hugs and cupcakes or nice individuals. Many of them you could describe as Zogbots to a certain extent. “Rah, rah”, you know, patriots. But they would line us up against the wall as well if ordered by the government. What is his politics like? Is he being targeted for political reasons or is he targeted because he’s just a military icon and they’re trying to degrade a famous White military icon? You know what is the deal? Because he’s on their side.

 

Blair Cottrell: Like most soldiers he probably doesn’t have politics. And even if he does, it doesn’t matter! When you’re a soldier, you don’t have politics. You’re [government] property!

 

Tim Murdoch: Right, true.

 

[34:25]

 

Blair Cottrell: So that’s like the way I see it. Even if the charges aren’t political, they might as well be, as I explained just then, because they really have a dramatic negative impact on our sense of pride as Australians and our trust that our army members of the Australian Defence Force have in our government and each other. It just makes people not want to fight for this country and not want to take this government seriously.

 

Tim Murdoch: I didn’t mean to interrupt you, but in America that’s already happened long ago. So I’m taking it, this is like we’ve got upset veterans handing in medals. You guys have never had anything like this before where people are saying:

 

“You know, fuck this! I’m not fighting for this government!”

 

This is like the next stage from Covid Covid was a big trust hammer in Australia. This is another thing that’s really putting the nail in the coffin, so to speak?

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah. Like you said, there’s been really good articles put out there by Noticer News, which is huge source of news. Really good source of news in Australia. Probably the best source we have down here in Australia. And they just did a story I think yesterday or the day before, and war veterans all over the country are handing in their medals in disgust that the government has gone after this guy just for following orders, for being one of our best soldiers.

 

Tim Murdoch: It is years after the fact and you’re putting up advertisement. It’s years after the fact. It’s not like you’re dealing with fresh off Afghanistan and ICC charge or some type of formal investigation. Formal charge that this guy was doing really shitty things or unbecoming of an officer, so on, so forth, etc.

 

Blair Cottrell: Exactly! Why now? What’s the point of this?

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah. Years after the fact doesn’t make any sense.

 

Blair Cottrell: When something like this happens to him, like who benefits? What is Australia getting out of hunting or targeting its own soldiers? For, like, historical war crimes that probably didn’t even happen. And even if they did, where, … Let me ask you this question. Where’s the Taliban? The government there that’s still in place now. Where are they charging their soldiers with war crimes?

 

Tim Murdoch: They don’t give a fuck!

 

Blair Cottrell: Who are they investigating?

 

Tim Murdoch: They don’t have our standards. They don’t have our moral standards.

 

Blair Cottrell: That’s what I’m saying, right? The Talibani government would never drag its own soldiers who did commit war crimes! There’s no doubt about it. It’s well documented. They’ll celebrate them as heroes! They’re doing the opposite. Right. So that just goes to show, …

 

Tim Murdoch: We’ve always had a very high standard for soldiers and soldier behavior. This is just years after the fact. This is Australia advertising they wanted to do this. And they’re doing it inside of Australia. And it all just doesn’t. I mean, hey, maybe he’s a piece of shit, Zogbot? Maybe he said, “kill all Nazis”. Whatever. I don’t know anything about the guy. But he’s being, you know, railroaded, giving the White nationalist treatment, as what I call it, really. And it’s all inside of Australia, and they’re kind of like, okay, you know, he killed a guy and drank out of his prosthetic or something like that. Well, why are they waiting so long if he’s doing all these terrible things?

 

Blair Cottrell: Exactly! It’s like, why now? Who benefits? What’s going on here? What’s the point? Is it really just bureaucratic procedure that took ages to roll around? And if that’s the case, it’s kind of female coded.

 

Because if you’re fighting a war and you’re holding yourself to certain standards of war crimes where you can’t actually even kill your enemies when they’re there, but your enemy’s not doing that, well, it’s no wonder we didn’t win that war. Right? But what was even the point?

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah.

 

Blair Cottrell: I don’t know. But there’s this thing going on right now that’s the new head of the AFP. I think her name’s, [Krissy Barrett] I can’t remember her name. That’s that woman.

 

Tim Murdoch: It’s obviously political. This is the thing. We’re in a heavily degraded society, as I always say, and it affects everyone. And there is a problem of behavior amongst a percentage of Whites, especially in charge, especially in positions of power.

 

But there’s also a huge problem in this case of a White woman who obviously is targeting this guy, you know, would this be happening if it wasn’t for her? I don’t know. Seems like?

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, there’s this weird shift. There’s all these new task forces that are being created in Australia, specifically within the Australian Federal Police. There’s like, Task Force Against Anti-semitism, a task force to Promote Social Cohesion by targeting racism.

 

And all of that’s come about, Tim, in the last six to eight months. This is all really new stuff. So there’s these new like, it’s almost like the AFP was quietly overthrown. I mean, this is just speculation, but it was quietly overthrown.

 

And now it’s in the hands of someone. I don’t know, someone with hostile intentions. Because it’s like it’s being turned into a political police. And it happened very suddenly. It’s weird! I can’t explain it at this stage. All I know is that Australia is changing rapidly! It’s targeting its own citizens, its own veterans, its own people, to the benefit of (((foreign lobby groups))), foreign nations often and historically hostile to Australia.

 

[39:48]

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah, I saw one particular piece from the Daily Mail and the quotes were, … You know, they were analyzing, these particular departments and whatnot were analyzing all his tattoos. And he has a Christian cross tattoo, or we’re calling a crusader tattoo.

 

Blair Cottrell: That was a patch. Yeah, he had a patch. This is Ben Roberts Smith, the soldier who’s been charged. There’s this famous photo of him which was allegedly taken immediately after he just charged in against superior numbers and rescued a bunch of his comrades under heavy fire.

 

And as he’s walking away from that battle, he has a crusader knight’s cross patch, like a red Christian cross on a White shield. But the media in Australia edits the Christian cross out of the photo before they publish it in order not to offend Muslims or offend anyone who might not like that.

 

I mean, that just goes to show where we’re at! If there’s that level of political censorship happening in media, then it’s not unreasonable to assume that he’s being targeted for political reasons. That’s why he’s been accused of war crimes.

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah. They’re targeting Whites across the board, and he’s obviously a symbol and they’re going after him for that particular reason.

 

I mean, there might be something legitimate. I’m not going to say that the guy’s perfect. I don’t know anything about him. He might be evil. [chuckling] There are some badass veterans in the US Army that I wouldn’t want to live near, that’s for sure. So you never know! We don’t know anything about him. But what I think is shitty is that if he’s doing something and it’s that over the top and there’s all these charges, why are they waiting so long, and why are they doing it with inside of Australia, like they’re doing it?

 

So I don’t know. And putting advertisements, putting up advertisements?

 

Blair Cottrell: There’s appeals to Afghanistanis, … There are more Afghanistanis living in Australia now, who have come from Afghanistan recently who have served in the army. Right. Because they have to over. There are more of them living here now than they, than the amount of Australian soldiers that were ever in Afghanistan.

 

So it’s like we have this fifth column and what the government’s doing and the police, they’re putting out advertisements appealing to those people in Australia saying:

 

“Hey, if you have any information about Ben Roberts Smith or any other soldier doing something mean or wrong to you, come and report it to us. And we’ll put it into our investigation.”

 

So it’s mind boggling! It’s like, how is this real? How is this happening?

 

Tim Murdoch: This is within the military, the confines of the military justice system of Australia. Correct? Or is it outside of the bounds of that? Because they have these laws on the books, war crime laws on the books and I don’t even know how old they are. Australia has these laws on the books that they can go after soldiers for war crimes regardless of the international law or anything like that it’s just kind of like internal to Australia. Now there’s always been a court martialing and stuff like that in America and behavior unbecoming of an officer and so on and so forth, et cetera. We have a military court of law here, but I don’t understand how it’s going over into civilian. I guess I don’t really know Australian courts.

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s definitely an Australia internal thing, because it’s the Australian Federal Police that are leading the investigation. But they’re not really confined to the borders of Australia geographically. Like I said, they’ll send cops and investigators over to Afghanistan to get information from former Taliban fighters about Australian soldiers so they can go home and prosecute their own soldiers. I just think we need, regardless of this guy made some mistakes. I don’t care! This guy went to fight a war in another country against the enemy. That’s what he’s trained to do! And we need to stand with our own, even if they do make mistakes sometimes. It was easy to make mistakes in an environment where your enemy isn’t abiding by any specific rules of engagement. I’m not even saying he did make mistakes. I don’t know. I wasn’t there. The cops certainly weren’t there.

 

Tim Murdoch: Yeah, I’m not interested in trusting the advice of Afghanis that you’re soliciting, that are known liars, that they’re soliciting advice from. We have to see the evidence. But I just don’t like the way they’re doing this years after the fact. If he’s that much of a bad apple as they’re suggesting, you should have easily done something when he committed these acts because supposedly this is like known stuff and he’s a bad actor and he’s this big asshole and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, fine. Why are you waiting so long? And why are they having to solicit anything? Shouldn’t you have collected evidence right then and court martialed him or whatever? That’s normally what happens.

 

Blair Cottrell: Exactly! But look, guys, this is just what we’re going through down here in Australia.

 

I’m sorry to check out early, but my phone’s about to die. I’m just gonna give you guys the warning before it does. And like, look, we did kind of like a spontaneous drive up to visit Joel and have dinner with him last night. And so that’s why I’m like in disarray. I’d usually go sit with you guys for a bit longer. Yeah, thanks, Tim, for having me on. And thanks for the questions. Maybe in a couple of weeks or whenever you’re free again, we could say may, I could see up Tom Sewell. He could come on and he, Tom Sewell would be excellent at explaining the Ben Robert Smith Australian army situation because he spent a couple of years in battalion as a soldier. He has much more inside knowledge about how things really work.

 

[45:20]

 

Tim Murdoch: What blew me away is they’re doing this outside of the military, … Well, I don’t know how Australian military works, but they’re doing it, … I mean this is something that happened in a war, but they’re doing it outside military court of law, which I think is pretty crazy! But and they have their own little war crime, their own little war crime ordeal.

 

But anyways, I appreciate it, Blair, for coming on and being a good sport. Guys, I’m going to let’s see what I’m going to do here. Hang out here a couple minutes and look what’s going on in the chat. I thought he’d be on a couple hours obviously, but his phone ran out and what are you going to do when your phone runs out?

 

But this case is one to watch. It’s definitely a political trial. We’ll have to see what evidence there is and why they waited so long. It all stinks to me. But we do appreciate Blair coming on. His phone ran out and he had the wrong cord.

 

Let me see what you guys are saying here. Yeah, it sounds like Joel’s doing quite well. He’s doing okay. Bo Nilson, thank you very much for the sub. But I’ll stay around a couple minutes. Let me cruise around and see what’s going on and then I’ll let you guys go. And for the weekend I’ll be back on Sunday. Yeah, I’ll get those guys on again soon. I’ll get Tom Sewell on again. I have on Warren Balogh but I’ll try to get on Tom Sewell or I’m trying to think of who else. You know, Tom I think was in the military. So.

 

But anyways, I appreciate you guys tuning in and supporting the show. I will be back Sunday. I was planning on doing a two hour show with Blair but nonetheless these things do happen. We do appreciate him being a good sport and coming on for 45 minutes. I was hoping he’d make it on at least an hour but he got close. But I do appreciate it guys and I guess I’m going to go ahead and let you guys go. You guys have a wonderful Friday evening and Saturday and I’ll be back on Sunday same time, same place, about 5:30 PM. Need we’ll talk about everything going on. I know they’re meeting with, … Let’s go over to Drudge. What’s up? Crafty Booms. I know they’re meeting on, … Trump’s vowing complete decimation of Iran. They’re meeting with Iran tomorrow in Pakistan.

 

Okay, so get this. They’re meeting with Iran in Pakistan and Did Do Nothing Replay, bro:

 

“Catching live. Great show. Thanks for what you do, sir.”

 

Well, thank you for support. We got Crafty Booms. Thank you 14 for the 88. I do appreciate it. I appreciate you guys generosity.

 

But this whole entire Iran situation is not over with. It’s not over with. It might die down for a bit. But why Pakistan? Pakistan arranged the meeting. There’s a few different theories on it. They’re a Muslim country. It’s kind of like they’re not in the war and they arranged the ceasefire. Or maybe Trump, through a back channel, had it. I think what they’re trying to do is stall for a period of time to build up enough forces to try another angle. They’re not going to be happy, they being Israel, is not going to be happy until the IRGC, the current regime in Iran, is gone.

 

So they’re going to keep going at it, and they’re going to obviously stall by time, until they can degrade that regime enough and kill enough of them. What they keep doing, obviously, is killing the elites they’re meeting with. So really, how are you going to meet with them anywhere if you’re killing them other than a situation like this? I mean, Pakistan escorted the jet from Pakistan, when it flew into Pakistan’s airspace. The jet containing the Iranian dignitaries and Iranian authorities, negotiating authorities in Pakistan.

 

I mean, the Israelis just keep on killing. And so Israel is supposed to be backing down in Lebanon, but of course, Israel let loose, what, 100 bombs in 10 minutes, dropped 100 bombs, missiles in 10 minutes and totally destroyed Lebanon. It’s just insanity! So Pakistan was a neutral player and they’re trying to, … There’s probably more explanation than that. But the Iranians can’t go just anywhere and meet just anywhere. They just can’t. Because everywhere they pop up, the Israelis kill them.

 

So, I think what Trump wants to do is build up a force to break them another way or maybe take oil or do something. He’s pulling something! The Iranians so far haven’t trusted anything, though. They don’t trust the Americans at all! Let’s see what Field Marshall has to say:

 

“Thanks for getting our Blair on. Hi, Joel. Thanks. Good luck, everything. Congrats to you and yours. The birth of your first child. Done.”

 

Thank you very much, Field Marshal. I do appreciate it. And when Joel can come on, he’ll be on, that’s for sure. I guess he has to get back on Telegram first and get these cases over with. We’ll see.

 

Yeah, I don’t know. There’s like a long explanation on why they did Pakistan and there’s a few conspiracies about it. But the Iranians. Who are you going to trust if you’re Iranian? So now the negotiating team. The negotiating team is JD Vance and it’s Trump’s son-in-law and it’s the main negotiator. Hold on here.

 

Okay. Daily Signal:

 

“I’ll see Vance to lead the negotiating team.”

 

Yeah, we’ve got like four or five guys in the negotiating team. See here, Steve Witkoff. Yeah. Jared Kushner. They’re both going to be there with J.D. Vance.

 

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But there’s a fourth as well. I want to say maybe it’s Ambassador to Pakistan. Pakistan has four dignitaries there. Pakistan sets modest goal. Let’s look at Al Jazeera:

 

“Pakistan sets goal. A deal to keep talks going.”

 

They want to keep conversations going. The problem with this particular war so far, one of the reasons that I think the English speaking world elite and sections of Europe really don’t give a shit is that it hurts the BRICS. It really hurts the developing countries. That has become very clear. The developing countries, the BRICS countries are being hurt by the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, which is kind of an interesting thing because Trump doesn’t like the BRICS countries.

 

But one of the side effects is they are hurt by the closure of the Strait of Hormuz and only 15 tankers a day can get through. So the whole entire situation actually hurts the BRICS countries, which I find intriguing. They’re the ones suffering the most.

 

And so that’s probably one of the reasons behind it as well. Pakistan, developing countries. You know, these guys are all like:

 

“We’ve got to stop this war if we can.”

 

The Iranians, supposedly, what they’re saying is they’ve come a long ways in agreeing to various different things, supposedly, but I don’t know. Well, Iran doesn’t want to look like a bad guy internationally. They don’t want to play into the bad guy role. They’re not the aggressor. They’re defending their country, they’re defending their homeland. If Pakistan [Iran] would have shut down the Strait of Hormuz any other time, all hell would have broke loose. The whole entire international community would have came down on Iran and probably removed them somehow some way. But because of the way it happened, No one could really blame Iran. The blame would go to Israel, against Israel in the United States.

 

And Iran has the upper hand and they don’t want to lose that, which is very clever of them. They basically have been playing it very well. They’ve been doing a bang up job in handling themselves so far. I don’t think they’re going to make any mistakes. But they’re going to have to be ready to fight to the death, there’s no doubt about that. Because they’re not going to be happy until they get they get the particular uranium. They don’t want them to have nukes. And Trump wants to send them back to the Stone Age. He’s saying that again. He vows complete decimation and ceasefire warning to Tehran.

 

Now I am guessing he’s saying a lot of this shit just to get them to the table because this is hurting the American economy. But I do know in the back of everyone’s head these guys at the top don’t like the BRICs and they want a way to harm the BRICs. Having the Strait of Hormuz shut down harms the BRICS countries, more than anyone else. You know, the Chinese are prepared, the US is prepared more than most. Europe’s got issues, but the BRICS really has issues, that’s for damn sure!

 

But anyways guys, I’ll be back on Sunday. We’ll talk about it more, 5:30 PM. Thanks you guys for tuning in and I’ll get Blair back on when he can bullshit for a couple hours. White Bitch Triple Six get a hold of me via email if you need Blair’s contact information and he can hook you up with a fitness consulting. That’s what he does. And he’s very good at it.

 

But anyways, cheers guys and thanks for tuning in and supporting the show, as well as all the support out there.

 

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MountainMan1847
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Australia for the white man o/ Heil to my Aussie brothers
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xSTRAWMANx
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Ken oath mate
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traceywilliams
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Would’ve loved to hear Blair finish a sentence.
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LiftWaffen
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He is really great at interrupting!

Tristan_Blixt
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you need to listen more and talk less. let blair do the talking
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timmurdock
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I had lots of questions and only an hour to get them in. Cut me a break or get your own show.
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Correctifier
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Wotan bless me Aussie mates!
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TheWhitenessoftheWhale
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Do they want to humiliate SAS?
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renunciate
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22 hours ago
Ben R Smith is a war hero. His treatment is intentional demoralization.
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BradC1988
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Its great to hear Joel Davis has been released on bail and that he hasn’t changed a bit! Hail White Australia! o/
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KingTut999
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after Joel got released his Go, Send, Go or whatever fundraiser link got nuked. so not sure what happened exactly.

Spaceman69
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ben robert smith is being crucified by hes OWN CREW testifying against him because he cross some big lines and deserves all that he is getting. rules of engagement brothaaaaaa. you aint above the law big fellow. imagine how bad things were your own crew ratted you out, and rightly so!!! dont take my word for it, go read the court transcripts for yourself or watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J896i3yrTbQ&t=2s come at me nazis, this is the only place you can exercise your racism these days…. prove me right. prove the hate speech laws right!
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You couldn’t resist squawking buzzwords, could you? “Nazi” “racist”. Both propaganda terms used by communist agitators. Label someone with a negative name to justify persecuting them. GFY.
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Spaceman69
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA are we pretending like joel davis was not a self proclaimed racist nazi LEADER? blaire use to be as well till he got kicked out cause hes missus cucked him with another member of NSN, so he chased the guy down with toma hawks then burned the guys house down- hence went to max security prison.. ohh boy, ya cant make this shat up.. hey whitey.. feel free to white wash the information to your liking… but now its the age of the internet…. that hitler brain wash bullshat aint gonna float. the truth is out there. the internet never forgets
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BradC1988
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Shut the fuck up retard LOL
Spaceman69
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blair sounds funny. like he forgot to take meds or sumthin. joels arrest, that racists try to white wash is that the female politician he had hes nazi possy harass AKA “rhetorically rape”, well she ended up quitting her job and moving house for her families safety because of the degree of online treats and harassment she received. i imagine she also took out intervention order against him and hes nazi friends. so yeah its kinda serious!!! you cannot threaten people like that even “rhetorically” especially a politician. thanks to NSN nazis and racists, Australia has passed laws against hate speech. basically it is now ILLEGAL to be racist in Australia. which i think is freaking awesome! an example to the world. these dumb nazis seem to think their freedom of speech includes insulting people to their hearts desires on the daily! like a aussie magistrate has said, people have the right to go about their daily lives without being subjected to your vile hate filled racism. on behalf of immigrants here in aus, thank you nazis for making racism illegal!!! we couldn’t have done it without ya… now we sit back eat pop corn and watch the overwhelming avalanche of court cases these racist dickheads are about to face.. they make for a perfect example of why these laws are necessary. nazi racism destroys common sense!
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bthor29
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Are you referencing the multi million dollar mansion she inherited then spent $800k renovating using her political influence to assist with council approval?
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Spaceman69
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completely unrelated. next you’ll be talking about affairs and sex scandals… are you trying to justify rhetorically raping her with threats and harassment?!? because she had an opinion about NSN?
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BradC1988
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Joel’s comments were totally justified, retard. However, your presence in a White country has no justification. You and the rest of the unwelcome brown/black hordes contribute nothing but crime to the host country.
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Again, shut the fuck up you antiWhite piece of shit. Also, you will be going home to your shitty country. Its only a matter of time, shitskin! LOL
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leibekohne
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https://www.noticer.news/joel-davis-released-bail-telegram-post/ Joel is free after 133 days, this zog cowardly act must never be repeated, zog should pay huge compensation, and be replaced. Viva; White international unity p….

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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Mark Collett: Hello everybody and welcome to Patriotic Weekly Review, episode number 358. We’re live tonight on Odysee, Rumble, DLive and Entropy. Please do share the links wherever you’re watching it. It really helps.

 

And I have to say this every week, but it really helps. When you’re not on X, when you’re locked out, when you’re one of the people that isn’t allowed on social media it really hurts your reach, which is why they do it. If you can help me by sharing it, we’ve got a great guest and a great show coming up. I’ve also been really busy last week. You will have seen the excellent demo we did Nuneaton that was great! There was a review of that up on my channel. Wherever you are watching my content, you can see the review of that. I’m one of the few people who’s active in real life as well as producing content, so please bear that in mind.

 

Also, I’ve got a lot of things coming up later this week. I back on the David Duke show on Thursday after taking a short hiatus. I am also producing a video for Friday. I’ve not done a scripted video for a while, but there was something that came up that wouldn’t really have been suitable for a stream and I wanted to do a scripted video. I hope you guys like it. It’s been a while since I’ve done one of those. They take a lot of effort. I’ve been scripting it out today. Gonna get that produced. I might do it as a premiere though, so when I launch it goes live in multiple places at multiple times. So that rather than it just being a video that gets uploaded, it’s like a premiere. It’s only gonna be about 10, 15 minutes long, but I hope everyone likes it. But quite a bit of effort into making it informative, short and the kind of thing that you’ll be able to share. We won’t be doing any stream on Sunday. We were going to do the A Team on Sunday with Sam Melia returning, but unfortunately we’re not. Unfortunately it just is Easter Sunday this weekend.

 

So we’re not going to be doing a stream on Easter Sunday because I’m sure most people will be with their families. Most people will be spending time with their loved ones, having a nice lamb roast and all of that. And they probably don’t want to do a stream on Sunday.

 

And also I should imagine that many of the people that I do those streams with will be busy Sunday night with their family and won’t want them sort of peeling off to do a stream. But we’ll be back to normal programming the week after. So I will be doing other streams this week, but this will be the only stream I’ll be doing on my channel. The other will be a pre-recorded video which will hopefully be a premiere.

 

So moving forward from that, if you want to contribute to my work, it would be massively appreciated. I can’t do this without your help. I can’t keep going without your help. That’s just the way it is if you appreciate my work, please do consider giving a donation. You can do so via Entropy or directly through Rumble. Everything is gratefully received. I’ve never put anything behind a paywall. I’ve never ever taken a wage formally from a Patriotic Alternative. Never! So everything I receive on these streams is what I live off.

 

And that means if you help me out, it means the world to me. So please do consider giving a small donation or more if you can afford audit. Obviously we will read out any donations in the second half of the show and any questions will be answered by me and Blair. You can also donate by crypto-currency. All the crypto links are in the description below. And if you’re watching this on replay, please don’t be shy. Make a donation via Entropy or Rumble when I’m not online. You know we have over the course of the show a couple of thousand people probably dip in and out of the stream watching live. But when it comes to the replay, many many more people watch it on replay. And if you are one of those people who watches on replay every week and enjoy it, please do consider giving something. You can also write to me if you need my help at mark@thefallofwesternman.com and I’m always here if you need me.

 

Anyway, we’ve got an amazing guest on the show tonight. I’m lucky enough to have met this man in person. He’s a good friend of mine. We do talk and correspond when we’re not streaming. He not somebody I just message out the blue saying do a stream. We do talk to each other and I really like being in his company actually. He’s one of those people that I’ve met offline, met in the real world and he’s an amazing guy. And he really is the kind of person that you should look up to, you should support because he is the real deal! He’s a true gentleman in the real world as much as he is on stream and he is someone you can look up to. He’s intelligent he keeps himself in good shape, and he helps young men overcome the problems of obesity, inactivity and low testosterone by helping them get in shape, designing them fitness plans. And these things are super important because they help boost people’s confidence, which help them get on in life where they need to be. This guy is a hero of our people, and he’s living in one of the most oppressive nations in the world.

 

Blair, how are you doing, my friend? It’s good to have you back. It’s been a while. I hope you’ve been well.

 

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Blair Cottrell: I’m doing great, mate. Thanks for the warm welcome, as always, and it’s good to be back. It’s been a little while since our last catch up, our last live catch up, and I think it’s been a few months since I’ve done a live stream as well. The last one I did would have been by myself, but then prior to that, I would regularly stream with my colleague Joel, Joel Davis, who on that point, he’s got a Supreme Court bail hearing today. So Joel’s going for bail today. If you don’t know who Joel is, Joel is a close colleague of mine and an activist known for public demonstrations, public speeches, and streaming down here in Australia. He’s Australian nationalist, very active, very aggressive, and quickly became very popular over the last couple of years. But because of a Telegram post allegedly threatening a politician, Joel’s been in jail. He hasn’t been found guilty of anything, but they’ve held him anyway and they’ve stacked a lot of other charges on him while he’s been in jail, all in relation to, quote, unquote, “hate speech”.

 

So when Mark says, this is one of the most oppressive nations, Australia, my country, is one of the most oppressive nations right now! I’m sure he’s referring to that, among other things. But Joel’s going for bail today and he should get it. I think. I’d be very surprised if the Supreme Court didn’t grant him bail.

 

So if you do know who Joel is and you have supported him, thanks very much. But if you don’t and you’re looking for more information, I’ll send a link to Mark and he can maybe share it with you guys in the comments. But that’s the most pressing part of news for Australia for today.

 

Mark Collett: How’s he holding up? Is he still in good spirits? Because I know that jail affects different people in a different way. And there’s some people who go through the system and they come out of jail and they’re like:

 

“Well, it wasn’t too bad. I met loads of cool people. I’ve got friends, I was popular on the wing.”

 

And there’s other people who have a tough time and they can’t cope with being in there. They get into confrontations. There’s other things that go wrong for them and they just find it very difficult. How is Joel dealing with his time inside?

 

Blair Cottrell: Very well, I think. Especially considering that when he was arrested, his girlfriend was pregnant with his first child. And a few days after he was arrested she was heavily pregnant. Joe she gave birth to their first son. His boy is very healthy. Joel hasn’t actually been able to spend a lot of time with. I think he’s had one visit officially. He’s been in prison for four months and because of his status as a high profile offender, but because of the nature of his offending, because of his politics, basically because of his ideology, Mark, let’s be honest, he’s been classified as a “national security risk or threat” and that means he goes in isolation. He doesn’t get a lot of contact with any people except a select few. He wasn’t even given a Bible or access to a lawyer for a couple of weeks. It took them weeks to get a lawyer back onto his phone list. He’s been kept in pretty low conditions, pretty harsh conditions. But considering all of that, considering that he’s sitting in jail thinking:

 

“God, my girlfriend just had my son and I can’t even hold him.”

 

Considering that he’s holding up pretty well. I’ve spoken to him probably over a dozen times. He isn’t able to call me anymore though. For some reason they just took me off his phone list, and they didn’t explain why, initially, they didn’t explain why. And then they said:

 

“It’s because of your national security classification, you’re not allowed to talk to that person.”

 

But look, I’m hoping that he’s released today. I was hoping to get up because he’s in another state in Australia to me and Australia is a big country. I was hoping to travel up there [from Victoria to NSW] to be there for him today, but I’m not going to be able to make it. But I’m sure a lot of the boys up there will be waiting for him at the front of the Supreme Court. And it’s going to be great to have him out. I’m pretty confident he will get bail. I’ll be really shocked if he doesn’t.

 

If he doesn’t, it just demonstrates that the courts, the judges, could be compromised all the way up to Supreme Court. And if that’s the case, that’s really shocking! And the reason it’s so shocking, …

 

Mark Collett: It wouldn’t shock me.

 

Blair Cottrell: Just so you guys understand the situation, the charge that Joel is being held for is “menacing or harassing someone through a carriage service”, you know, mentioning someone in an online post. It was only one post, okay? It wasn’t actually proven to have caused any harassment or resulted in any damages. That charge is a pretty low tier offence and doesn’t usually result in a term of imprisonment, even when convicted, even when found guilty. It’s got a less than 6.5% rate of imprisonment. That means almost 95% of people who get charged with this never even go to jail. They get bail, they go to court, they might get a fine. That’s it!

 

Joel is being held without being proven guilty, and has been held in a maximum security facility as classified as a national security threat for the last four months. Hasn’t been able to have access to basic rights that other prisoners get access to.

 

And the irony is he was arrested in the same suburb where our worst terror attack in the nation’s history just took place late last year. The Bondi shooting, where a couple of Muslim characters targeted some people on a beach, specifically trying to target jewish people. That terrorist is literally, has literally had access to more rights than Joel. He’s had access to an imam inside the, inside the prison, which is like the you guys probably know this. It’s like our version of a priest. He’s been given a Quran, which is like our version of a Bible. He’s been able to contact friends and family. Joel’s had none of that! Okay? Joel wasn’t given access to a priest. He wasn’t given a Bible. He wasn’t able to call his friends and family. He wasn’t even given access to a lawyer for a while there, all because of his “national security classification”.

 

So that’s the situation. I’m hoping to see him out today, though. He should get bail today.

 

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Mark Collett: Well, I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t. And I’m not saying that because I want to depress anybody. I’m saying it because it’s just the way I see things. You know, I watch one of my best friends go to jail for stickers that the police said:

 

“Well, the stickers were legal. We are not going to argue the truth of any of them because as far as we can see, they were truthful. But we think they’re intended to stir racial hatred.”

 

Obviously, that’s Sam Melia. I just find that if they want to screw you, they will screw you! And it’s cases like the Rob Rundo case. I mean, Rob Rundo punched a guy on a campus somewhere. Well, okay, punching a guy on a campus, what’s that, three months in jail? You know, a fine. Well, they chased him halfway across the world and deported him on a private jet with a bag over his head, as if he was Osama Bin Laden’s right hand man, for just sticking it on some Leftie at a demo!

 

And I sometimes wonder when we talk about cruelty and police brutality, when the police and the system go for us, they go for us in a way that they would never go for any other group, or have gone for any other group. And I mean, if somebody wants to point out, like there’s another group that have experienced this kind of prejudice, this kind of extreme level of sentencing, this kind of extreme level of persecution, I don’t know, I’ve never heard of it. I mean, you know that there are groups in America, Left-wing groups that committed crimes, horrendous crimes, acts of terrorism. They were all allowed to leave jail and came out and became college and university lecturers and wrote books and became phenomenally wealthy because of their crimes. There are people out there in this country who were serious Muslim terrorists. And there are essentially state funded groups that are there to work out ways to ensure these men get out early. And they all appear to be “reformed”.

 

Whereas with us you might as well just lock us up and throw away the key. And when people like Sam Melia came out of jail, one of the worst things for him is they were like:

 

“Well, you can come out of jail, but you can’t go and live with your family. You’ve got to go and live in a hostel. And you’ve got to be back in the hostel for 7 PM every night. You can’t even playut your kids to bed.”

 

And I sometimes wonder the people behind this, they must be the most soulless, wicked people imaginable! And what they’ve done to Joel is arguably from what you’re saying, I would argue this point is actually worse than what they’ve done to Sam because at least Sam got regular visitation and at least Sam was allowed to move freely in general population, made friends, got a job in prison. It seems with Joel, they’re doing everything they can to break his spirit. I just hope that when he does come out, somehow you guys manage to give him some incredible warm welcome.

 

Blair Cottrell: How is Sam going? Have you been? I didn’t actually catch the stream that you did with him or the show that you just did.

 

Mark Collett: He’s really. He’s doing really well! His book became a number one bestseller on Amazon. He’s doing really well! He’s knocking out the park. He feels really good about everything. You know, obviously he’s been back with his family now for some time. He’s back at protests, he’s back giving speeches. He’s an incredible guy, and I am so pleased that he’s come out of this the other side. And if anything, it’s made him stronger and more sort of dedicated in terms of his “love” for the system. I’m sure that’ll do that for Joel as well, I mean probably Joel better than anyone. How do you think he’ll react when he gets out?

 

Blair Cottrell: I think he’ll be very glad! The first time you go to jail, for whatever reason, I’ve been a long time ago, when I was a young scamp. The first time they release you, the first thing you notice is how green everything is, because you don’t see trees or grass, especially not in Australian prison. Everything’s just concrete and you don’t see the horizon. There’s just this huge concrete wall on the outside of your field of vision.

 

So the size, the scale of society, of the world and how green it is, you start to really take all that in and you appreciate everything. So it’s going to be an experience for him. Joel’s very good at sort of coldly experiencing reality, though. Joel’s good at processing his emotions in such a way where he doesn’t really necessarily express them or allow them to affect his demeanor.

 

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So if he’s gonna walk out, for example, and there’s going to be, like media cameras there filming him, I’m sure he’ll walk out as a real cool cat that doesn’t really feel much at all! [chuckling] But I miss the guy so much, I’m just really looking forward to seeing him.

 

But in relation to what you said about how hard the authorities go on, people who come from nationalism, nationalist activism, I think what happens, I really think it comes down to human naivety. I wish I could be a fly on the wall, actually, in a meeting like this. I think certain police units that are quite green to this kind of politics and this kind of activism. That is to say they are taken from other fields where they’ve been stationed for a while. So they don’t really know much about characters such as you and me. They haven’t been exposed to this stuff before. They’re put into a room, these coppers, and some political bureaucrat, some police bureaucrat stands there and explains that these guys are “terrorists”! Basically:

 

“They’re a terror threat, they’re extremely dangerous. They have knowledge of all sorts of dangerous stuff, weapons, etc, they’re known to be violence, etc, etc, etc!”

 

So they basically brainwash these naive cops that don’t really know much about us. And the cops go in really hard thinking that they’re doing something great for the community. When really they’re being focused on pretty much the ownly, the last semblance of resistance against the end of society! That’s kind of how I see what we’re doing sometimes the fall of our civilisation. We’re trying to resist that.

 

But I think that’s what happens. It’s just naivety and it’ll continue because speaking of prison, they do the same thing in prison, Mark. They shuffle around the prison guards so that you don’t get the same guards in your unit for any longer than about a month. They put new ones in that you haven’t seen before and then they stay for about a month, maybe six weeks. They move them on. Their new guards come through maybe from another prison, because the prisons are typically run by either the government or private security companies that have a great deal of personnel working across the entire country. Right. So you often don’t spend a lot of time with the same prison officers when you’re in jail. Just as you probably won’t deal with the same police officers very frequently in Australian activism, nationalist activism. And the reason that that revolving door of personnel exists is to keep everyone naive as to the reality of like, what these people are actually doing and to prevent anyone from developing sympathies or friends. Do you understand what I mean?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, I can imagine that it makes it harder as well. So when you’re in jail. I’ve never been in jail, but I can imagine when you’re in jail, things like familiar faces, people that you used to make it feel slightly easier. And Sam did say this to me, he said:

 

“When he was inside, knowing the lads on the wing, knowing the guys that you did your job with.”

 

So one of Sam’s jobs was the cafeteria in the cafeteria. Now, interestingly, he said that basically the pedos made the food, the pedos cooked the food so they were out of the way. Then they would send it up and then him and his team would serve it in the servery to everyone, and then they would clean up afterwards.

 

And one of the great things about being on the servery was not only were you out of your cell, but you’re out of your cell for a long time and working with the same group of lads. And after a while it felt a little bit like it was your group of friends you knew everyone, you got on them. There was a bit of banter, but he said by moving people around, it took that away from them. And it’s almost like a reset.

 

So if you’re getting on really well with everyone in one prison and they move you to another prison, you are starting from scratch again. Everyone’s got to get to know you. Everyone’s like:

 

“What are you in for, mate?”

 

And you have this sort of big reset.

 

And obviously all of this is designed to persecute some more than others, because if they want to make your life slightly easier, they keep you around the same people, they keep you on the same tasks, they allow you to build friendships. If they don’t want you to have any of those things, they keep moving you, they keep you on lockdown, they keep moving you from wing to wing, stop letting you have a consistent job. And that’s all part of the punishment. And then it punishment starts to stray into the territory, almost of torture, because some of these guys aren’t allowed to speak to friends and family.

 

And we’ve had the same thing in the UK where we’ve been speaking to political prisoners. And then all of a sudden the guy stops calling and you get word from someone else that he’s still allowed to call, that he’s not allowed to call you anymore because the state have just updated their lists of people he isn’t allowed to speak to. It’s all very unfair.

 

But one other thing I wanted to ask you is what’s happening with obviously the NSN was forced to close down. What’s happening with that law? Has that law been formally brought in yet? Or is it still sort of in the process of coming in?

 

And obviously I’m going to get Tom Sewell on again at some point to give us an update on the legal case. But since all of that, what’s the feeling from normal Aussies there about freedom of speech? Because to us in the UK, when we were watching this from the outside looking in, it just seemed this huge blow for freedom and huge blow for any nationalist group that even wanted to start a political party.

 

[22:24]

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s a good question, actually. I’m not really sure what’s happening with that law. I’m also not sure what’s happening with the process of challenging that law.

 

But from what I understand, there is currently a some sort of move to try to get the High Court, and this was my understanding of what Thomas Sewell is currently doing. He’s dealing with lawyers behind the scenes. He’s trying to get the High Court in Australia to make an injunction that the, … Let me start from scratch in case people don’t understand what’s happened. After the Bondi terror attack in Australia, that I mentioned earlier, where people were shot on Bondi beach. It’s like a major beach in New South Wales, Australia. It was the worst terror attack in our country’s history. Off the back of that terror attack, the government introduced a new threshold of crime they’re calling “hate crime”. It doesn’t have to be violent crime.

 

Basically, “hate crime” can be something you’re saying on the Internet. It can be an ideology that you’re subscribing to and certain groups with an ideological or religious basis that the government feels is threatening, they can be outlawed as “hate groups”.

 

Basically, it’s a whole new category of crime, and it’s a whole new way for the government in Australia to list so certain groups as terror groups without them actually doing anything related to violence or terrorism. It’s a pretty egregious law. In the actual legislation, it says things like, “no criminal convictions required, no procedural fairness required”.

 

Basically, there will be a bureaucratic process within government, amongst certain government officials that decides who’s allowed to exist as a political protest group, or a political party and who’s not, on the basis of their ideology and perhaps even their personal character. It basically cancels democracy, Mark put it that way. We have new hate crime legislation in Australia which cancels democracy! And it’s being celebrated by the government as a fantastic thing! So far, though, interestingly, they haven’t used it to list the National Socialist Network or Tom Sewell’s White Australia as a hate group.

 

However, while the legislation was being passed, and you kind of know stuff like this is going to pass, even though it shouldn’t pass in any fair, Democratic country, you know it’s going to pass when they introduce it. You just like when you hear the sort of people that are trying to get it through. The Prime Minister supports it. The opposition kind of supports it too. You’re like:

 

“Okay, this is going to pass. Jesus!”

 

So while it was passing, Tom Sewell disbanded the National Socialist Network and White Australia, completely. Well, I think the White Australia Party, the logistics required to register that party still exists, but the registration hasn’t been completed because the Australian Electoral Commission basically hasn’t responded to them. They’re not really sure whether they can register them on the basis of these new laws. That’s my understanding. I could be wrong. I could be getting my facts wrong with the AEC. I’m not sure if a registration has been put forward to the AEC. It was my understanding that it had been done, but I’m not exactly sure at this stage.

 

But what I will say is what’s happening now, my understanding of what’s happening now is that in order for the White Australia Party to be registered so people like Thomas Sewell and Joel Davis and Jacob Hersant and Jack Eltis can contest elections in the future, and you know, various other candidates can pop up, Senate candidates or regional candidates. You know, everyone who’s anyone in Australia in Right-wing activism is considering being involved or was considering being involved with this White Australia Party, … Which I believe is what prompted the government to introduce this hate crime law and rush it through off the back of a terror attack. Because right now there is a giant space for a far-Right presence to really pick up a lot of votes in Australia. There’s a very dissatisfied White Australian working class down here! They just don’t have anyone to vote for.

 

There’s One Nation but it’s just not far-Right enough. People need something a little bit more hardline. And they’re looking for someone to vote for. And the White Australia Party, although it might sound a little crass to people who don’t understand the history of Australia, the policy upon which Australia was founded was called the “White Australia Policy”. So it has roots in Australian history, this stuff. It’s very clever what the boys were doing. But the government introduced, introduced this hate crime legislation and in order to prevent him, all of his boys from going to jail overnight, Tom Sewell publicly disbanded the group.

 

But what he’s doing is trying to get the High Court, he’s working with some lawyers to try to get the High Court to make a special injunction that that hate crime legislation cannot apply to a political party.

 

And I think it’s a reasonable injunction for the High Court to make. I think in order to preserve any semblance of democracy, they would need to make that injunction, because political parties being denied registration or banned and outlawed on the basis of their ideology without having committed a crime, without having encouraged violence and without any procedural fairness or any route of appeal, like that’s not even a democracy! It has no relation to democracy!

 

[28:00]

 

So that’s my understanding of what’s going on. I’m not sure where that’s at. I do talk to Tom pretty regularly. He’s a close friend of mine, but he’s been pretty busy for the last few weeks and I suppose I’ll drop him a line and he’ll give everybody an update as to what’s going on with that. The ideal result, Mark, the ideal result is that the High Court does accept or make an injunction. The High Court does rule that this hate crime legislation cannot be used to ban or wipe out political parties. Can’t apply to political parties. The boys register White Australia, and then all the remaining traditional working Australians have someone to vote for. They have a banner to rally behind. I think that’s what the current government is terrified of and I think that’s why they’ve done what they’ve done with the hate crime legislation, with the police pressure, with the stacks of criminal charges they’ve pretty much slapped on every single member or leading members of White Australia. And I don’t usually get into, I’m pretty fair, I don’t usually weigh in too much on the conspiratorial stuff, but when you look at all the evidence, there’s a strong effort by the existing government, the existing political parties, to gatekeep their community, to gatekeep their class, the political class. They don’t want to allow White Australia a seat at the table because I think they know White Australia could run away with a victory and pretty much seize control of the country if they’re not careful. So a lot is being done to prevent that at a government level.

 

Mark Collett: Well, I’m not sure whether a party like White Australia would sort of storm it at the ballot box. It’s very difficult to do that. And I’ve thought that many times myself. You know, when I was in the BNP, I was expecting us to walk away with it. And there was always a softer option presented at exactly the same time. And that softer option was always the thing that the public decided to vote for, instead of voting for us.

 

But I think what they fear with groups like White Australia is once you are a political party, once you’re on the ballot paper, it gives you a degree of, or over an ear of respectability where you can say:

 

“Look, we are the real deal. We are officially registered.”

 

And at that point you have protections. And I believe that that’s what they were scared of in your case.

 

Because if you had the protections to keep doing what you were doing and you were officially registered, I think it would have been very hard at that point for them to do the things they were doing to.

 

Blair Cottrell: You are right. You are right! You have to understand that I had the same opinion. I thought even if these guys get registered, I don’t think they’ll get a lot of votes. I was thinking it’s going to take them a long time to cement themselves into official political culture because people tend to vote either one way or the other with this is like a two party system that we have in Australia, just like in most countries. And they’re very traditional about that. But the Boomers are traditional about that. There’s this whole new generation even us, we will vote more radically than the Boomers. We don’t want to vote for any major party. You know, we’re in our 30s and 40s, so pretty much anyone that age and below is going to vote for something more radical and is really fed up with what’s going on in the country.

 

And when I saw, August 31st last year, the first ever March for Australia rally, which was a huge phenomenon, and Tom Sewell and the NSN, how should I explain? They acted as sort of a makeshift security that allowed that rally to go ahead. When I saw how regular people reacted to literal Nazis walking into this rally to participate in it, to protect it and to play a leading role in it, I was shocked! I was actually shocked. I didn’t expect to see that. And when people, the way they reacted is they supported them wholeheartedly. They cheered them, they shook their hands, they wanted to get in photos with them.

 

And when I saw interviews later of regular people being asked about Tom Sewell and the guys, like:

 

“What do you think about these guys? Like, isn’t it a problem that there’s Nazis at your rally?”

 

The people shrugged. The people shrugged and said:

 

“Well, they’re against immigration. That’s what the rally’s about. So I don’t care!”

 

And someone would say:

 

“Really you don’t?”

 

Some journalist was trying to bait them, saying:

 

“You don’t care that there’s a Nazi up there speaking right now?”

 

And they’re like:

 

“Nah!”

 

I [chuckling] was like:

 

“Wow, that’s how fed up people are!”

 

People are so fed up that I think they would vote for a White nationalist party in Australia. I think that’s the way, you have to understand the Australian demeanor, the Australian character. We won’t always fight aggressively and in the moment, but I think sticking it to you know, rejecting official bureaucracy in a way that’s like profound, sudden, unexpected, we’re a rebellious spirit down here.

 

And that’s why I think the White Australia Party would actually get a fair few votes. Well, you got to understand, One Nation down here was a party that was a bit of a phenomenon. It kind of broke into the scene of official politics very suddenly, and Pauline Hanson was the leader of that party, still is, and she had a lot of problems back in the day. She even was put in jail for a while for some tax reason or something. But it was all political, whatever. But I feel that that phenomenon could have been repeating with White Australia, which is why in this case, the existing government, the existing political class, they were thinking:

 

“Hey, we’ve seen this before. We’re kind of more schooled in this process than we were the first time, so let’s not let it happen again.”

 

I’m just hoping the High Court makes that ruling so they can participate in official politics.

 

[34:05]

 

Mark Collett: I have a slightly different sort of more grim view of things than you, obviously, but it might be different in Australia and I hope it is. Here in the UK, when push comes to shove, people always take the how can I say it? The softer option. So people in this country are so scared of being called “racist”.

 

But anyway, one of the big things I wanted to talk to you about, and you’ve been talking about this a little bit on your own sort of Telegram page, is the situation that’s unfolding with petrol prices, with food prices, with really the fallout from what’s going on in Iran.

 

Now, I’m not sure what your take is on this, but since my sort of earliest days in nationalism, the old hands in the nationalist movement, the people that I was meeting and talking with, that had been doing, so when I came into things in about the year 2000, the 1970s weren’t that long ago. I was only sort of in my early 20s and there was people who had been in the National Front in their 20s or in their 30s, and now they’re in the BNP. And they were in their sort of 40s or 50s, a lot of life left in them very eager. And they would always sort of cool us down when the younger ones were saying:

 

“This is our time! We’re going to do this, we’re going to smash it!”

 

And they would always say:

 

“Look, it’s not going to be that easy. If we’re going to win the first thing that we need is a situation whereby there is genuine economic hardship.”

 

You know, these guys had seen years of election campaigns, they’d seen sort of decades of nationalists building up through big marches and then getting nowhere and then at the ballot box getting a derisory vote.

 

And one of the things that I was always told was:

 

“Until we get this big economic collapse, until there’s a depression, until, until people can’t afford to turn the heating on and don’t know if they can feed their family anymore, people aren’t going to be dislodged. People aren’t going to decide to vote for an outsider group.”

 

And here we are and we are starting to see genuine hardship. You know, I was traveling past a forecourt the other day which is usually the cheapest in our area. It’s over £1.50 a litre for petrol and nearly £1. 90 a litre for diesel, which is record, record price levels. People won’t be able to afford that. Is this what people need for the final push over the edge? Or do you just think this is going to be another big blip where:

 

“Oh, well, you know, two, three years down the line. Well, remember when it was really bad and Trump took people into Iran and the petrol almost ran out, but here we are and we’ve forgotten about it and we’ve moved on and we’ve got on with life!”

 

Or do you think we are moving to a time where there is going to be genuine hardship? Or maybe this is going to be something that our government seizes upon, to get rid of petrol cars, to ration petrol, to bring in more controls on our lives like they did through Covid? How do you think this is going to play out?

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s only one piece of the puzzle. You have to be ready for a crisis like this. You have to be prepared. You have to have the right kind of manpower and political force to capitalise on it if you are going to use it to your advantage, or if you are if you’re going to use any sort of crisis to your advantage.

 

And that’s why it’s curious that such a strong effort. It’s curious to me, that so much has been done to shut down and White Australia Party, shut down and criminalise them right before this crisis has panned out. Maybe that’s connected, maybe not.

 

But I know that if the White Australia Party did get registered, let’s say late last year when they intended to, before the hate crime legislation was rushed through Parliament, they’d be in a very strong position right now to deconstruct or de-legitimize the existing government and assure people that they could put their faith into them rather than the existing Labour government in Australia. But rather the situation we have instead is that that group has been forced to disband by emergency law changes off the back of a terror attack. This crisis has come into being and Albanese is just ruling Australia with an iron fist. His main political opposition, the Liberal Party, is just in absolute tatters. They can’t even figure out who’s going to lead which state.

 

And so it’s going to be a Labour government in Australia for a while. They’re going to be able to do whatever it is they please, which is another reason Joel’s just being thrown in jail without really any fair due process, like they pretend that there is, but there’s not.

 

[39:08]

 

But look, the petrol prices, the diesel prices are similar in Australia. When you compare the differences in currency for us, we’re looking at about $2.50 a litre for petrol, and that’s shitty 91 petrol, which they don’t even have. When I went to England 18 months ago and caught up with you, Mark, I noticed they don’t even sell 91 through most of England. It’s 95 minimum, I’m pretty sure. And so 91 is a rat grade, rat shit grade of fuel that most of Europe doesn’t even sell. And in Australia that’s $2.50 a litre, just for that. Plus the government has made some ruling here that the sulfur content of fuel can now be higher in order to stretch it out more. So it’s even worse than 91, probably. It’s really probably bad for your car, but they don’t care. They just want to keep everything ticking over as long as they can.

 

Diesel is the real problem. Australia is a huge consumer of diesel. And as a result of diesel being understood as more efficient, which I think it is, it burns a little slower and pound for pound, it gets you a little further. A lot of diesel engines have been sold to people. Diesel cars, just regular SUVs for families. But anyone who thought they were being smart by buying a diesel engine is now really suffering because the price of diesel just recently approached $3.50 per liter, which works out to be about the same as the fuel prices in England, as I said.

 

But look, the government’s come in recently and said:

 

“Hey, we’re going to cut the fuel tax in half to ease the pressure for you guys.”

 

So 50% less tax on fuel for everybody. But the funny thing is it took about a week for that price reduction to come into being, to be implemented by the fuel stations.

 

And by the time a week rolled around, the price had actually increased so much. All the fuel tax cut achieved was actually leveling out prices for a few days. It didn’t really reduce prices very much, maybe by about 15 cents in some regions, but it didn’t really have that much of an impact.

 

But this war, this war, I suppose we’ve got a lot to say about this war. Mark, what do you think about this war? Did you foresee something like this? Is this the time it was supposed to happen? What are you thinking?

 

Mark Collett: Well, I’ve been posting a few mashups on my Telegram of Trump saying he’s going to be the President of peace, he’s going to be the guy that stops the wars, he’s going to be the guy that stops American military interventions. This is going to be a new era. It’s America First. But he has become slavishly pro-Israel to the point where he would do anything they said.

 

Now, with Trump, it’s always hard to kind of see where he’s going to go. So when he went into North Korea, what happened? Well, he came out of North Korea, you know, singing the praises of the North Korean leader, the North Korean establishment, and being best buddies with you know, and that was the end of North Korea as the bad guy. And Trump is very unpredictable in how he behaves. You’re not quite sure what you’re going to get with him, and it’s little things that can throw him off.

 

But with Iran, he seems to have been absolutely doggedly pro-war, but that’s part of a wider shift. And all of a sudden, you know, it started around Venezuela, then he started threatening Colombia, Cuba, Greenland. Now it’s Iran. It almost seems like he’s on a little bit of a rampage. And some of this, I’m not saying that the guy’s a good guy or anything like this, but he’s obviously being led round by the nose by Israel. They have got him into this to a large degree. And even the mainstream media have said that originally Israel was saying:

 

“Look, this is only going to be a week of bombing. We just need your help for maybe three or four days, you know, eight days tops!”

 

And here they are like a month later and the world economy’s grinding to a halt. America has been largely humiliated. There are now dead Americans, and Trump can’t see his way out other than by sending ground troops in. And some of this is obviously Israel, but I’ve spoken about this on other shows and said some of this is actually a result of how isolated Trump is so when you look at Trump now, he’s not in the White House, he’s not in the Pentagon, he’s at Mar a Lago surrounded by fewer and fewer people. The people he was close with, the people that did surround him in the White House, they’re not there anymore. The people who are surrounding him are increasingly of jewish descent, very war hawkish. They’re the ones he’s listening to. And he’s even cut off on social media. So rather than making proper social media posts on X, he posts on Truth Social. So he can immediately ban anybody who says something that he doesn’t agree with. An isolation of that kind is usually very bad for people.

 

Now, I don’t want to go down the line of being like:

 

“Well, the Democrats were so professional because when they did war, they did it from the White House or the Pentagon!”

 

But there is something about doing war from the White House or the Pentagon.

 

And one of the things that shows that Trump is in this state of mental flux, and I spoke about this earlier in the week on Patrick Slattery show, is if you remember when we went to war with Iraq, the lies were quite consistent for a long period:

 

“Weapons of mass destruction, 45 minutes to deploy the missiles. We’ve got to get Saddam Hussein in a box before he puts us in a box. Where’s he going to strike next?”

 

That was consistent. It was a lie, but it was a consistent lie.

 

[45:18]

 

 

Now, what we’ve heard around this war, it changes on a daily basis. Regime change, energy stability, getting rid of the Ayatollah, supporting people in Iran who are protesting, stopping Israel from being wiped off the face of the map, stopping the nuclear weapons. Well, they weren’t going to have a nuclear weapon, but maybe they were going to have one. They were developing one, but they’ve been developing one for 50 years:

 

“Oh, well, we have to get rid of the Ayatollah.”

 

Well, you’ve already said that, but then you said that wasn’t the reason. And you’re looking at Trump and it’s almost schizophrenic.

 

And you can see that in four weeks of Iran, there has been less consistency, more chaos, more lies, more uncertainty and more humiliations for Trump than there was really for Bush and the Americans in the whole of the Iraq war.

 

Now, I know more soldiers, more American soldiers died in the Iraq war, but Bush didn’t claim he was negotiating with the Iraqi leaders, only for them to release a press statement saying:

 

“We’ve not even spoken to this guy. He’s a clown, he’s making it up.”

 

I mean, the world’s looking at him thinking, what are you doing? You know, mainstream newspapers are producing memes or cartoons where Trump’s talking to himself in the mirror. Saying:

 

“These negotiations are going very well indeed!”

 

You know, he looks like a madman. He’s isolated, cut off. There’s reports that he’s had some arguments with Israel, which is insane because he basically works for them. And it’s quite hard to understand where he’ll go next. You know, I wouldn’t be surprised if I woke up in the morning and Trump had said:

 

“It’s over! We’ve proved everything we’ve needed to prove. We’re backing away. They’ve agreed to no more nuclear missiles. I’m the President of peace because I’ve got rid of nukes in the Middle East!”

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if he did that. If I woke up in the morning and 40,000 Marines were headed to Iran for a full on ground invasion, I wouldn’t be surprised about that either because it’s just total chaos! And the people he’s surrounding himself with are the worst of the worst! Pete Hegseth, he’s not a professional. You know, he’s a, I think he was a Fox News analyst. They’re people who are sycophants. And employing sycophants, it might make you feel good, but they’re not the right people. You know, if you say:

 

“Well, who are you going to employ as your doctor? This guy who doesn’t really agree with you on a lot of things, but he’s a trained medical professional or your best mate who watched a couple of episodes of Casualty once?”

 

And he’s like:

 

“Well, I’m your best mate. You know, I have watched a few TV documentaries on surgery, so employ me!”

 

You’re not going to employ your best mate just because he’s your best mate. But Trump, unfortunately, has employed all of his, like, low IQ mates who can’t actually do the job. And it’s not really working out for him, is it?

 

Blair Cottrell: A friend of mine uses a term, “quantum politics”. Basically, it means that in Modern Politics, it’s like everything is happening and not happening at the same time. Trump is invading Iran! He’s not! He is at war with Iran, but he’s also not! He’s going to keep bombing Iran. He’s not! The straits open, the straits closed! It’s like, which do you want to believe? And the Internet is just so overloaded with opposing viewpoints that are representing opposite realities that whatever you want to believe is there for you to believe if you choose to.

 

And I don’t know if that’s a good or bad thing for average people. It’s probably not a good thing. Probably better for everyone to be kept on the same page by a more centralised source of information. But usually when that happens, the centralised source of information is controlled by the wrong people.

 

So, look, I agree with you. I agree with you. I’ve been watching, I’ve been reading too much and watching too much about this conflict between America and Iran. Israel, America and Iran, or just the Middle East, however you want to describe this. I’ve been reading and studying it so much, reading about and studying it so much that it seems to have almost affected my outlook on life generally. I’ve become much more cynical and negative. And I noticed this in myself a few days ago because I was starting to think, what’s even the point of going to work today? And I realised its because my mind is so fixated on these broader worldly matters. This foreign conflict, which isn’t necessarily consequential to me right now!

 

And so I pulled myself up and for the last couple of days, I haven’t been looking into it as much. Because I’m learning so much as this conflict unfolds, it’s like every 30 minutes there’s something new happening that I didn’t understand, I initially don’t understand, and then I begin to understand it. There’s so much I can say about it. I’ll do my best to be concise, give you my opinions.

 

Trump seems to be embarrassed. He’s visibly embarrassed and frustrated. Okay, when he says that Iran is begging to make a deal, clearly that’s not the case. Truth. Maybe people are telling him that and maybe he’s believing it, maybe they’re saying it to make him feel better.

 

But look, hats off to the guy for basically taking over America and just doing whatever he wants, going into other countries, bombing schools, stealing leaders, kidnapping leaders, and starting wars that he just writes off as military operations. They’re not actually wars for legal reasons. The guy has basically taken over America and is now the commander in chief of what is understood to be the most powerful military in the world.*

 

[* No, Trump is a puppet of ZOG and is their PR front man/actor entertaining and befuddling the masses with his antics. Same with all the other jokers that are presented as making decisions – Kat]

 

And I’m sure various statesmen and politicians in the recent, in recent history have dreamt of doing that with America, but never quite got there. They had to go through the proper processes, the Congress and whatever else goes on with the bureaucratic procedures there.

 

But Trump, to use a Churchill expression, seems to have “gripped America by the hair on its head” and is doing whatever he wants with its forces. Look, some people are saying they’re going as far as suggesting that it’s just a proxy war and an excuse to cause economic chaos, to bring about 15 Minute Cities, get rid of meat, get rid of petrol, cars, you know, Agenda 2030, that kind of stuff. And that very much could be the case. But for us mortals down here on the bottom plane, where we unfortunately have to reside, all we can do is speculate about stuff like that.

 

[52:04]

 

However, based on the way things are panned out and based on what I’m hearing, what I’m seeing from all the different sources of information I’m getting on the war, I do feel it will escalate quite sharply over the Easter weekend. That’s this weekend.

 

Basically, if Trump is going to send in ground forces to secure oil infrastructure, which it looks like he might want to do, however, he’s making it seem like he doesn’t need to do that. He’s making it seem like America has plenty of oil:

 

“I don’t even care about the Strait of Hormuz! (He’s saying) if Australia, Europe, England, if you guys want oil, go to the Strait of Hormuz and open it yourself!”

 

It’s almost like a dismissive, passive-aggressive statement too, because I think he feels let down by the lack of support from Europe, from England and Australia as well. I think he expected them to send some war boats and there was going to be some coalition. You know:

 

“The cool guys are going to come in together, the boys are going to come in together. And reopen the strait forcibly and then go into Iran and conquer it together!”

 

I think Trump felt like that he could, with one word and no real process, just summon all the forces of the world to his bidding. And because that didn’t happen, he’s now saying:

 

“Well, screw you guys like I don’t even care about you. If you guys want something, you go take it for yourself. I’m not babysitting you anymore.”

 

So that and other things seem to be demonstrating to me that the world is receding, reverting back into a place that consists more of exclusive empires that are a little more independent and self sufficient, that the world of the future won’t be so interconnected and countries around the world won’t be so dependent on very volatile and unreliable sources, routes of resources.

 

Australia, for example, doesn’t actually logistically need the Strait of Hormuz. It does because it hasn’t got the infrastructure to pump its own oil out of the ground. But we have up to 50 years of oil to refine and provide to keep our country going at its current consumption rate, for about 50 years. And I’m sure we could find ways to stretch that out to make it even longer. But because of globalism and politicians that are just generally unscrupulous, they cave to foreign market planning and manipulation, they’re easily bought off, easily led into traps. Politicians over the last few decades in Australia have literally shut down all of Australia’s oil refineries, have built no infrastructure to pump our own oil out of the ground, and are just buying everything from overseas!

 

But we don’t even have 30 days worth of diesel or petrol stored in this country. So we rely on places or routes of resource, routes like the Strait of Hormuz. We rely on that not because we actually need it, because we do have what we need here in this country, but just because of weak and unscrupulous scrupulous leadership, just corrupt leadership that sells out to the international market and leaves the country completely open to foreign market manipulation. That’s why, like Albanese doesn’t want to say it, the Australian government officials don’t want to say it.

 

But the reason petrol prices, diesel prices are so high, yes, it’s downstream from the war in Iran, but the real reason is because the political class in Australia has left Australia open to this manipulation. These volatile regions in the world, because they’ve refused to make our country self sufficient. They’ve plugged us into the global matrix. Even though it was a very unreliable and bad decision, they plugged us into this globalist system and now Australia is suffering the consequences when we never needed to be plugged in the first place, which is the frustrating thing!

 

But look, you know what the truth is, Mark? The truth is the if Trump is going to send ground forces into Iran, he’s going to have to bomb the shit out of it beforehand. He’s going to have to decimate the Iranian forces to make it more accessible to American troops, because otherwise American troops are going to get smashed!

 

I mean, they’ll win, they’ll eventually win, but they’ll incur heavy losses. And there’s been talk about dropping a nuke on Iran, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they did it. I wouldn’t be surprised. Israel would do it in a heartbeat. Israel’s like, think of it this way, Mark. Trump’s war room. I guarantee you this has happened. Trump’s war room. One AM, one night, someone said:

 

“We could just nuke them!”

 

And then there was some low chuckles around the table. And then the guy who said that made the comment in the first place, he leaned back and as the laughter died down, they all exchanged some looks and he goes:

 

“I’m serious, we could.”

 

And then the response would have been:

 

“What kind of what shape are our nuclear facilities? What shape are they in? Have we tested a nuclear bomb in the last few years? Do they even work? Can someone look into this?”

 

[57:09]

 

 

So that’s what’s happening right now in America, or that probably happened three weeks ago. So and Israel will nuke the shit out of Iran in a heartbeat! They don’t care! They don’t care about anyone who’s not jewish. They’ll nuke the shit out of Iran. And America has dropped an atomic bomb called Little Boy on Japan, after Japan refused to surrender at the end of World War II. So there’s nothing, there’s no humanitarian barrier for them doing this. If it means a faster end of the war and getting rid of Iran as an opponent in the region, then they’d be considering it, that’d be seriously considering it. And I think there’s been open talk about it, too, coming out of your Israel, maybe.

 

But I’m just trying to focus on what it means for us down here in Australia, as I’m sure you’re trying to think about what it means for England. And my gut feeling, because I’ve carried on about this for some time now, my gut feeling is that what this means is there is going to be a reshaping of the world to some extent. This is going to change our lives permanently. It’s going to change the way things roll out.

 

We just had an address to the nation, as I think you guys did too, from Kier Starmer. We had an address to the nation from Anthony Albanese. And Donald Trump also gave an address to the nation regarding the price of fuel and the effect that the war is having on the global economy. But what’s curious is this address to the nation. I don’t know what yours was like, but it was kind of a nothing burger! There was not really much in it. It was just “everyone needs to do their part”, lines like that:

 

“Use less fuel, drive less if you can, and everyone needs to do their part to get us through this difficult time.”

 

So really, there was no point in anything that Albanese said in this address to the nation. But the last time there was an address to the nation by England, Australia and America simultaneously at the same time, that was just prior to the Covid dilemma and the lockdowns.

 

And a lot of people think that we could run dry of fuel to the extent where people are confined to certain regions, driving a petrol car will be viewed as something abhorrent that you shouldn’t be doing because it’s too costly and it’s bad for the environment. Obviously, there’s elitists in the world who aren’t going to waste this opportunity to impose a sort of regime like that there are people in the world who want people to live in a regime like that. And this looks like it could be a very good opportunity to impose something like that. So we’ll see what happens.

 

But I’m just curious to see what’s going to happen over this weekend, this Easter weekend. I feel like it will be, I don’t know, I don’t want to say decisive. I don’t know if there’s anything that can bring about a fast end to the war. Trump doesn’t want to be embarrassed. He’s looking for the least embarrassing exit from the situation, but there’s no way to get out of it without sort of either acknowledging some level of defeat or dropping a nuke and just decimating the out of him. So then he can finally say:

 

“Hey, I told you I won. They said they wanted to do a deal, but then they wouldn’t agree, so we took him out! Fuck them!”

 

You know, something like that. If he’s going to be driven by ego, he could do something like that, and I’m sure Israel would back it. But it’s a terrible thing when something like this happens. I suppose I’m getting a bit softer as I get older and I think about children getting killed. I think about this school that’s being blown up, the girls school, and you think more about that stuff, especially when you’ve got people in the family having children, you Mark have your own children, you get a little bit softer on the humanitarian side of things, despite us being depicted by mainstream media as “gruesome fascists”. You know, it leaves you with a bad feeling when you see the kind of devastation that war like this causes for people that aren’t even involved and don’t want to be involved, for people who are just trying to live their lives. And that’s I suppose that’s always just a consideration in war or it’s a consideration for some people, for some people that are considerate at all!

 

But how do you think it’s going to go? What do you think the point is?

 

[1:01:08]

 

Mark Collett: As I said earlier, there’s so much chaos around this, it’s difficult to ascertain. So the other day Trump was saying:

 

“Well, we’re in this to reopen the Strait of Hormuz.”

 

Well, the Strait of Hormuz was open until you started this! You know, it was your meddling interventionism nonsense, naked aggression that closed the Strait of Hormuz. It wasn’t Iran, it was America’s actions that led to the Strait of Hormuz being closed.

 

But now one of the reasons we’re doing this is for energy stability. Well, we had energy stability until this began, until America started off down this route. And as I said with Trump, I think there was something on the Daily Mail site earlier, Trump had made another. I’ll see if it’s still there. But Trump’s all over the place!

 

So this is one of the things:

 

“Trump reveals he’ll torch NATO in landmark speech tonight as he absolutely threatens to quit disgusting alliance.”

 

So here’s Trump sperging out because no one wants to be involved in the conflict. You know, that’s pretty telling about the mental state he’s in, that he’s not calling meetings.* He isn’t getting people together and saying:

 

“Right, let’s get all the heads of NATO around to discuss this, discuss what we should do.”

 

He’s just saying:

 

“Right, I’m going to make a speech and tell everyone they’re absolute asses in front of the world’s media, because that’s going to make things better!”

 

I think there was something earlier today and I’m looking for it in the news feed, but I can’t find it. And it was about, …

 

[* Trump’s chaotic behaviour is all just theatrics for public consumption as a kind of live stream drama. Real calculated decisions are made behind the ZOG curtain.]

 

Blair Cottrell: He seems to be doubting that much of Europe even has the military might or the will to help anyone in any war.

 

And the problem with a lot of Europe, especially Western Europe, England has the same problem as Australia, is they’re so locked down in a demographic crisis with mass immigration just basically tearing the countries apart, tearing England apart, tearing Australia, dividing Australia, that neither country is in a position to support anyone’s war.

 

I wrote about that in a Telegram post recently. Like, we have such a large Muslim population that’s influential. If Australia openly supported a war against a Muslim country, you’ve got like war on the streets in some suburbs here that are heavily Muslim populated. You’ve got a massively increased threshold of terrorism and possibility of terrorism suddenly. So getting into any foreign war for England or Australia means chaos for us in our streets, in our homes! And I think, like that’s what kind of prevented Australia from supporting Trump’s war more directly.

 

Mark Collett: Well, another headline that was up today:

 

“Trump says Iran’s new leader has asked for a ceasefire and he’s considering it if Hormuz is opened. Britain to host 35 nation talks on reopening the Strait of Hormuz and getting oil and gas flowing again to the lower prices. After Trump’s get your own outburst.”

 

It’s complete chaos. And this is what I mean about the Iraq war. The Iraq war wasn’t a good thing. It wasn’t a just thing. It was a terrible thing! But despite all of those assessments, it was at least something that seemed orderly. And the countries that participated had clear goals and they did things in a way that seemed militarily expedient. And anything could happen next.

 

But I mean, look, it’s like these 15 Minute Cities, okay? Now, people are going to crucify me for saying this, but Britain was full of 15 Minute Cities at one point. Britain was a country where people would bike or walk to the shops in their village because working class people didn’t have motor cars really in vast numbers until the 1980s. Both of my grandparents, both sets of my grandparents never even learnt to drive. They walked to the shops, they biked to the shops. They got their groceries from the local green grocers, the butchers, the bakers. It’s quite recent that every family had two motor cars. That’s something that’s a post 1980s change.

 

Now, if you said to me we were going back to a homogenous White nation where people, rather than using motor cars and going to the supermarket, walk down to the village green grocers to get their vegetables, went to the butchers, went to the bakers to get their goods every week, i’d be far happier with that than I am now with families piling into the car, driving 25 minutes to buy all of their food from a giant solar supermarket that has its foot on the neck of every farmer and supplier, driving down their quality of life and making this country a worse place. It’s a complex thing, and to me I see sort of threats and opportunities here.

 

Now, obviously, 15 Minute Cities are a dirty word, it’s a dirty concept now because everyone’s used to cars. But was Britain a better place when motor car ownership was less common and people use local services and amenities? Or is it better now when we’ve got rid of the trains, the bus services all the local shops and you just travel to out of town retail parks to buy you shopping. And even they’re closing down now because Amazon does it all. You know, if you want community back, you have to deal with community, you have to deal with your local butchers, your bakers, you have to go to the local shops, you have to know everyone in your village. You know, one of the things that atomized us was this idea that we’d all sit our own little cars and drive 30 minutes to get our food. You know, that wasn’t how this country ever was, until very recently.

 

So I’m not against people building local communities again. As for the war and whether that will do that, I doubt it. I should imagine that, if I was a betting man, I always bet on nothing really ever happening and things returning to normal. And if people say:

 

“Well, why do I, why do I bet on that?”

 

I bet on that because I lived through Covid and I saw people locked down in their houses, … Do you know what, this is weird, but there was a woman in my city centre the other week, probably the first I’ve seen in a while still wearing a Covid mask. So there are people still walking around in Covid masks.

 

[1:08:11]

 

But one of the things I’ve got to say is, the strange thing is a lot of people thought things would never go back to normal after Covid. There were a lot of content creators saying, when Covid hits:

 

“This is different, this is the game changer!”

 

But everything went back to normal. So somehow I always just foresee things going back to normal and are still just engaging in this slow decline towards minority status and the end of our people. That’s just how it’s been and how I foresee it. If I was a betting man now, as I said, I could wake up tomorrow morning and Trump’s new [word unclear], and you’re looking at it thinking:

 

“Oh, my God! Why did he do that?”

 

But he could also wake up tomorrow morning and he’s pulled everyone out and gone off in a huff saying:

 

“I’m not helping anyone again, and I’m starting my own version of NATO because I’m a big fat baby!”

 

You know, he is just. He is sort of so chaotic and wild, you honestly don’t know what he’s going to do.

 

And now he’s embroiled in problems at home, too, because it looks as if his anti-birthright citizenship bill, not bill, presidential decree, is going to fall as well at the Supreme Court. So he’s sort of embroiled in failure every which way. And if he seemed to be the president of failure, his own party will turn on him. Because he’s only got one sort of term as president left. He’s only got until the end of this term and then he’s done anyway, because you can’t be a president for three terms. But here’s the issue, Blair. There’s lots of politicians surrounding him that are banking on being a Congressman, or a Senator for many more terms. And if they’re eternally tied to Trump, if he goes down like the Hindenburg, they go down with him!

 

And I think what might restrain him is the fact that these midterms are coming up in November and that’s closer than you think. And there are many people within the Republicans who are getting very worried about their prospects of re-election and potentially a disastrous midterm election ending up leading to a second impeachment.

 

Blair Cottrell: Did things go back to normal after Covid? Do you really feel like they went back to normal the way they were before?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, people forgot about it. People got on with life. No one cares, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Ostensibly. But to me, it feels like post Covid society is like a pretend world that only resembles reality, a pretend world preceding some sort of vicious change. That’s what it feels like. Everyone’s retarded, Mark, and everyone hates each other now. That’s what Covid achieved. There’s so many people out there not working now with medical issues on a disability pension. You go down to the shopping centre in the middle of the week at like 11 o’clock in the morning or 2 o’ clock in the afternoon when everyone would typically be at work and there are so many people there! There are so many cars, you can’t even get a car park. And everyone is fat and bitter! Everyone is fat and bitter!

 

And I just think to myself every time I go out in public:

 

“This can’t go on much longer. Where’s this going? A colony which feeds its sick and it’s weak and puts the worst of itself first. Where’s that going? It’s going into the ground and it’s going into the ground within a generation or two!”

 

So I’m looking at this whole post Covid system and just how sick and embittered everybody is.

 

And in my heart, in my gut, I feel that it’s about to have a big full stop put on it! I don’t know how that’s going to happen, but, …

 

Mark Collett: Don’t you worry, Blair, that, don’t you worry because what you’re saying, I can’t argue with anything you’ve said. Okay. But don’t you worry that all these fat, useless, embittered, permanently sickly people who live off the state are all essentially in some kind of chains. Like I bet I think I know you pretty well. You’re an intelligent guy, but you’re resilient and you’re the kind of guy that wouldn’t like to live off anybody else. And if somebody said to you can live in a gilded cage, or you can be free and go and build a shack over by that watering hole and essentially live a harder life, but have total freedom over what you do, what you say, the way you think. Or you can live in this gilded cage and you can have lots of nice things and free money and computer games and TV, but you have to say the right thing and come out of your house and clap every night for the Covid special workers. I bet you’d go and live by the watering hole, build a shack and live free.

 

But most people wouldn’t!

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, I might initially think:

 

“Well, the nice things sound pretty good. I might try that out.”

 

But then it wouldn’t last very long. Like within 48 hours I’ve already committed a hate crime and done some hate speech without even meaning it. And now I’m forced to go out to the shack, and I’ve probably got the coppers chasing me on my way there.

 

But yeah, I don’t know. What I’m trying to say is I’d be very surprised, I’d be very surprised if some society reshaping didn’t come about as a result of this Iran situation. I’d be very surprised. Because it’s a huge, it’s a huge opportunity, Mark. Even if it hasn’t been planned around this specific incident, even if this is Trump being wild, I think like the Strait of Hormuz being shut effectively is huge! It’s a huge excuse to suddenly shake up the economy and change the way things work. It’s a huge opportunity and I’d be surprised if elitists wasted it. I mean, at the very least it’s going to be used to make a lot of money and that’s already happening for some people in the right place.

 

[1:14:23]

 

 

Mark Collett: It is! Yeah. And that’s how it’s going to be. But I worry that everything you’ve just described is going to lead our people further into chains. I mean, one thing I’ve noticed today, I was reading something, it said that one in eight children born today will be registered as disabled. That seems insane to me!

 

Blair Cottrell: It seems higher like that doesn’t even seem like it matches what I’m seeing in society. When you say one in eight, it feels more like one in four. And it probably will get there. And what’s this desire people have to be disabled?

 

Mark Collett: Oh, [chuckling] I was gonna say that!

 

Blair Cottrell: Why does it? Yeah, you’re gonna get to this, right? It’s almost like that’s your identity:

 

“I have this disability, I have this mental illness. This is who I am.”

 

Well, there’s two things at play there.

 

First of all, it’s financially incentivised. You get paid to be disabled, you get paid to have a mental illness, you get full-time care and you get to sit at home and do whatever you want on a government pension. When there’s a financial incentive to do something, people try to do it! And people will even lie and say that that’s what I am in order to get the money, in order to get the care, in order to get the benefits.

 

The second thing at play is people aren’t given any strong sense of identity or personal pride. We don’t live in a society that allows national or personal pride to any significant degree.

 

And so people are searching for identity, they’re looking for two things. They’re looking for money, they’re looking for identity. And disabilities, mental health crisis, whatever, mental health issues fill both those voids. They give them something to identify with:

 

“I’m bipolar now, I’m super ADHD depressive disorder. And that sort of is my whole existence.”

 

They’ll write it in their bio, on Instagram or something. That’s who they’re not Australian, they’re not English, they’re “ADHD, bipolar”. That’s their identity.

 

And like I said, they also need money. Everybody needs money and they get that from it as well! So this system is rewarding people and giving people identity for being retarded!

 

And so that’s why everyone is retarded! Because there’s incentive, there’s a reason, it’s very easy to understand. The way to stop that is to do the opposite is to actually incentivise people to be healthy, to take care of themselves is to reward people who are saying no to the immediate benefits and who are putting in the work to actually live a healthier lifestyle and build something to make themselves self sufficient. If the government would stop taking the easy route and just exploiting people’s base nature and selling them bullshit and convincing them that they’re super anxiety depressive disorder, so they could sell them drugs. You know, if there was incentive and reason for people to be healthy and strong, if there was a identity that they could plug into their national identity that they could take pride in, then they wouldn’t be searching for drugs and mental health issues to identify with in the first place. Right?

 

So that’s the essence of the problem. It’s very simple! Like people are doing what they’re paid to do and they’re doing what they feel identity for doing. You know, like this, the sense of identity.

 

Mark Collett: Do you know what, though? We’ll have to the Superchats thing. Not many people are Superchatting tonight, especially on Entropy. I don’t know if there’s a problem there. I’ve heard they’re having problems, or maybe no one wants to donate one or the other. But like it has been very sort of not really anyone has made a donation. Well, we’ve got one.

 

Blair Cottrell: Get some Superchats in, guys! If you’re watching this from Australia, it’s too early in Australia for most people.

 

Mark Collett: Come on, guys! If everyone gave a bloody dollar, they wouldn’t even notice it. But I’d be very happy, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Give some support to Mark Collett, man! Give some support, guys, come on!

 

Mark Collett: But look, I need to see.

 

Blair Cottrell: Open our hearts! Let’s open our hearts and open our wallets too. Ask us a question. Ask me a question. Ask Mark a question. Give us a subject matter and we’ll get into it. Let’s do it!

 

Mark Collett: But look, this is something I want to say. There’s two things I want to say here, Blair. One is I am a bit of a freak! And I want to admit this, right? When I collect computer games, I like the boxes to be in perfect condition. And if the corner of the box gets dented, because I drop it, it upsets me.

 

Now, I wouldn’t say I’m mentally ill, okay? I just like my boxes in good condition. I like everything on the wall in the right order and I like all the boxes to be neat and I like the labels on the games to be perfect.

 

Blair Cottrell: No, no. I think you need to go to a specialist. This sounds like, you need medication, … [chuckling]

 

Mark Collett: This is what I mean, like today, but today a child will be playing in the sand pit and he’d be like, I don’t want to get my, like sand in the joints of my Power Ranger because it’ll ruin it. And somebody like:

 

“Whoa! You’ve got ADHD, kids better get him a diagnosis!”

 

So on one hand, everything today is a mental illness. You like to keep things nice. You’re mentally ill! You don’t want to do some of the things the other kids want to do. You’re mentally ill!

 

[1:19:29]

 

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s very self centred, isn’t it? Like you would need to be thinking a lot inwardly about yourself. I’ve said that before, that mental illness is like the religion of the self. It’s like:

 

“How can I develop this identity around my own lived experience, my own personal vessel, this vehicle that I’m in? Everything’s about me and my special demeanour and my special way of doing things. Here’s my bottle of special pills. It has my name on the bottle, see, it’s specially for me!”

 

Never mind that 60% of the population is in the exact same frame of mind, living in the exact same bubble, taking the relevant, same drugs. It’s not actually special. You’re just doing what everyone else is doing.

 

Mark Collett: It’s worse. Because the second part of what I was going to say before we do these couple of Superchats, is fundamentally, and this is the crazy thing, the parents are proud of it!

 

So when we were kids, if there was something wrong with you try to overcome what was wrong with you and you didn’t want people to know. So if somebody was ill, or somebody had something wrong with them, or like say you were slightly dyslexic, you would go to special classes, you would get special books, you do special things to try and overcome it, but you won’t wear a big badge saying, “I am dyslexic!”

 

And then there was a thing that came in where if you were dyslexic, you could have an extra 15 minutes in the examination room because you found it harder to understand the question. So you got a little bit more time. But now you might as well get a special hat, a sparkler, a big badge, and everyone wants the big badge!

 

And I’ll tell you this, as a dad who meets other parents, you get parents who come up to you and they boast about the autism, or the things that are wrong with their kids. So you will actually have parents who will come up to you and be like when you know, like kids in the playground talk about which Pokemon they’ve caught. They will talk about their kids mental illnesses, like their Pokemon, like:

 

“Gotta catch them all. This one’s got this one’s got that. He’s neurodivergent!”

 

And they love it!

 

Blair Cottrell: They’re all waiting to talk about themselves and their own kid. They’re not even listening to you. They’re all waiting for their turn to talk about their own problems. Imagine living in a community like that. Here’s the thing is, Mark, I’ve, since I was young, I’ve expressed plenty of qualities of ADHD, as I’m sure you’ve been told. You’ve got the same thing. Mild autism. Everyone’s always said that there’s something wrong with me, but I’m just like, even if there is, it’s just the way I’m wired, man! I’m not getting into it. I’m not going to get some fucking, pardon my language, some diagnosis. I’m not getting someone to tell me to categorize me.

 

Humans love to categorize each other, don’t they, Mark? You know why they do that? Because it helps them think, they understand things. It helps them feel like they’ve got it figured out when they really don’t know shit about anything! Even the, especially the experts. All these categories that we develop for different types of people, whether it’s ADHD or depression or autism or Asperger’s. I’m not saying these things don’t exist. There’s something going on that makes people, just neurologically different, unique. But developing these word based categories to make us think that we understand things is a very arrogant human endeavour. We don’t actually understand what’s going on. And we certainly can’t control it with drugs, but we can make money through drugs. And that’s what it’s all about, guys.

 

But I think this is why we’re talking about this as a problem. But I always like, because I’m a male, Mark’s male, so he probably thinks the same thing. I like to think of solutions. I like to just think about how do we get around this, how do we stop this happening instead of just complaining about it.

 

That’s why I’ve always been in favour of the Church making a comeback, a centralised religious institution. I know that these can become pretty corrupt as well. Or at least that’s what the mainstream media has led us to believe about the Church. Probably for subtle reasons. They’re probably trying to achieve an outcome where the Church didn’t have as much power anymore because it was a problem. It was a problem for selling junk to people, for selling drugs to people, and for bringing mass amounts of foreigners into your country. The church probably would have stood against that in its old form. So getting rid of the Church was a necessary step for whatever this excuse of a country we have now is.

 

But see, when you have a central church that everyone goes to on Sunday, when you have mass or something like that, when you have a religious structure that everyone kind of links into everyone’s Christian, whatever it might be, it doesn’t really matter what it is, just as long as everybody agrees that that’s the Church of the nation. Well then when someone else comes into your country and says:

 

“Bipolar disorder, here’s my Medicine for the cure!”

 

You say:

 

“No, no, like we don’t do that here. We go to church on Sunday, we talk to the priest if we have a problem, we don’t take drugs here. We don’t do this ADHD thing. Sorry mate!”

 

So you reject outside identities and efforts to try to sell shit, whether it’s pornography, the Church would be against that, whether it’s drugs, some other identifying factor that some grifter, some (((merchant))) is trying to sell to you’ll reject it on the basis that you already have a strong identity, a national religious identity.

 

[1:25:02]

 

And I think that’s what the benefit of having a strong central church was in the beginning. It basically makes people necessarily stubborn. You might say that people being closed minded as a result of being exposed to too much religious dogma is a bad thing! I would argue against that. I would say it’s a good thing. Because look what open mindedness has done to our country. When people don’t have that closed minded, “this is my country, this is my church” kind of mentality, then they just become a worm of consumption that accepts and consumes whatever it is that some merchant is trying to sell to them. Suddenly everything and everything just swamps that nation and it just becomes a place for merchants to decimate and exploit.

 

A strong church, I think would have, I think a big comeback from the Church would prevent that. I just don’t know if it’s possible. The ideal situation for a church to make a comeback actually, or the Church to make a comeback is people suffering, people really suffering. Because when you’re suffering, when you’ve actually got nothing left and you’re in a really bad place, that’s when you’ll find yourself hoping that God’s real and hoping that maybe he’ll listen.

 

Now I’m not even religious, guys. I’m not trying to shill Christianity, I’m not trying to shill a religion. I’m just saying that going or reverting back to a time, to a set of circumstances where we had a little bit more faith in something central and something unifying would protect us psychologically from the sort of bullshit ideologies and drugs and mental health crap that is so effectively sold to people today.

 

Mark Collett: Well, look, really quickly before we do the Superchats, something you said there. Something is something I said to Adam Green. Me and Adam Green had a bit of a debate the other week and by the way, David Duke has agreed to debate Adam Green. So we’re sorting that out. They’re gonna have a debate about Christianity, whether it was good for the West or bad for the West. Duke thinks Christianity was good. It was a uniting cause. It helped, you know, know Europe beat back Muslim invasions. Adam Green thinks it’s basically the biggest evil in the West. That debate’s going to happen.

 

But one thing I’ll ask you is “struggle”. You see, I actually like struggle and I think as a man without struggle, you are less of a man. And you go to the gym and I go to the gym, I don’t know whether you feel this way, but do you ever go to the gym and you work a muscle in a way that you haven’t worked it for some time, and the day or so later, you feel sore, but the soreness is kind of a constant reminder that you pushed your limits, that you sort of went to a new level.

 

And I actually like that! I like that sort of feeling that, like my body is reacting to the pressures I put upon it. And part of sort of improving is fighting through that discomfort. That’s why I liked running. I like that challenge, that struggle. And I think when you remove struggle from the life, especially of men, not so much women, but especially men, men without struggle do become worthless slobs!

 

And I think the comfort that we have been given by our masters, the bread and circuses, have a lot to answer for and why we are now weak.

 

Blair Cottrell: That soreness you’re talking about, the soreness in the muscles after having done some vigorous exercise, that is a signal that that muscle is regenerating. The cells in that region are regenerating. In order for those cells in the muscle to regenerate, they need a good amount of blood flow and a good amount of oxygen and a good amount of nutrients to come from the GI tract, the gut.

 

And that means the gut needs to work more efficiently in order to feed and repair the muscle. And so the gut does actually start to process and absorb nutrients at a superior rate than it would have if the muscle was not used.

 

What I’m saying is pretty simple to understand. If we’re not regenerating, then we’re just getting weaker, we’re dying. If you’re not suffering to some degree, it’s called the “fitness effect”, and it actually has been applied in a social, political sense by an author named David Kilcullen, who’s someone that I’ve read quite a bit. I actually brought him up in the speech that I gave at the conference you hosted. Not the last one, but the one before in the October conference in England.

 

It’s called the fitness effect, basically, and with the right amount of pressure, the organism we’re talking about, and here we’re talking about individual people, your biology. Your body gets stronger, it develops itself, and you just become stronger. Everything works better in your body because it has to. You’re creating a reason for your body to work more efficiently, so the experience of life becomes better, because the more efficiently the body’s working, the happier you’re going to feel, the better mood you’re going to be in the better your gut’s working, the better you’re going to feel. It’s very simple.

 

That’s why I don’t understand how people don’t stress their muscles to the bare minimum necessary degree each week, which I think is minimum three times per week in the gym for about an hour each time. You know, hitting things like squat, overhead press, deadlift, leg press, major compound movements that are going to stress your body and your central nervous system in a way that your body has to adapt, it’s forced to regenerate and therefore everything starts to turn over more efficiently because it has to in order to regenerate the muscle effectively.

 

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So muscle mass actually is one of the, scientifically, one of the greatest determiners of longevity. Meaning generally speaking, the more muscle you have, the longer you live. And that ties exactly into what I’m saying, because in order for your body to retain, to build and retain more muscle, your cellular regeneration process, your gut, your brain, your nervous system, everything has to fire optimally in order to make that happen. And if you’re putting your body under the necessary stress, the bare minimum three times a week in the gym, and you’re giving your body a reason to have that extra muscle mass, then everything in your body has the reason to operate efficiently. It’s like a machine getting greased up, so to speak. But it’s much more complex really because of our turnover, our cell regeneration system.

 

Yeah, if you’re not training, you’re dying. You’re not getting stronger, you’re getting weaker. There’s no average existence where you can just sit at and stay healthy. If you just do nothing, you just get fatter and sicker and sadder and weaker. Gradually you always have to be exposed to that bare minimum level of stress, which in my view is three times a week, three hours in the gym doing the major compound exercises relatively heavy.

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you. Well, let’s do these Superchats. Thank you to everyone who has Superchatted. There’s still plenty of time if you want to. We’ve had one from Open Borders for Israel for $5. Thank you so much! He said:

 

“Hail Blair. Would be good to get him on for a PA Aussie movie night, maybe. Rabbit Proof Fence?”

 

Yeah, we do movie reviews once a month and you’ve not actually been a guest. I don’t know if you’re a fan of movies, but if you chose a movie, we’d be happy to review it.

 

Blair Cottrell: Hang on, hang on, you guys you do movie reviews personally?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Blair Cottrell: That’d be awesome! I’ve done one for. What was it? Guide to Kulture? Do you know Guide to Kulture?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, I do. I’ve done them. I’ve done every one of his film festivals all. So yeah, I know. We literally do a movie every month. We must have done probably about 50 or 60 movies now.

 

Blair Cottrell: Maybe my review wasn’t so good, but I’ll try to find it. I did a review on Good Time with Robert Pattinson. Have you seen that?

 

Mark Collett: No, I’ve not even heard of that, to be honest.

 

Blair Cottrell: I reckon, write that down, Mark, because I reckon, and you guys in the audience, too. It’s a very underrated film. It’s a very simple plot. It just starts with a bank robbery, but it’s set in modern America. And I find it very gritty and realistic! And I find the main character very interesting to psychoanalyze. He’s clearly mildly sociopathic, but he’s intelligent and it’s entertaining and fascinating to see how he deals with the degrading circumstances after this bank robbery. So good time with Robert Pattinson, actually I really rate Robert Pattinson as an actor.

 

Mark Collett: He’s a great actor. He did a version of Batman. He was really good at that.

 

Blair Cottrell: He was, but he’s also talented. He’s the kind of guy who can do a lot. He’s a musician and he can play different roles. He doesn’t always play the same role over and over again! He can play a different character, which I think is a good indication of talent in acting.

 

Mark Collett: I agree. And as I said, I thought he was going to be terrible as a new Batman. And when I saw him as Batman man, I thought it was a really enjoyable film. And I was actually looking forward to the sequel. I’m not a guy that usually looks forward to sequels. But, yeah, he was good. He was very good.

 

So if you want to choose a movie, Blair, you’d be welcome on any month. All you have to do, choose one. And we will get you booked.

 

Blair Cottrell: Is it always movies or can it be shows? Does it have to be a film?

 

Mark Collett: We’ll usually do a film. I’ve just looked it up. We’ve reviewed 57 films. It’s actually 59 because some have been double features where we reviewed two films together that are both linked. So we did Zulu and Zulu Dawn and we’ve also done several comparisons where we’ve done the original Snow White and the modern Snow White or we’ve done the original Running Man and the new Running Man.

 

Blair Cottrell: I can imagine there’s a breakdown of modern propaganda.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. Two hours long. This little panel who are regular us. But look, pick a film, tell me when you’re free, and we’ll get you booked in. It’d be very good. Purple Sage gave $10. Thank you. And he said:

 

“Thank you both for all you do.”

 

Well, thank you so much, my friend. It’s very kind of you to donate. Kenny Smith gave $10. Thank [chuckling] you so much:

 

“Sir, I’ll be fine in any food shortages thanks to my fat stores. All those kebabs will pay off!”

 

Thank [chuckling] you. Full Camelot gave $3. Thank you so much! And he said:

 

“Well, Blair, Victoria is the Garden State. Absolutely! I had a ZD Fairlane V8 dual fuel. And regularly travelled south to volcanic bush and rock beach, camping alone for days. Return to society refreshed.”

 

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Blair Cottrell: My dad had a Fairlane. I remember when I was 18, I just got my driver’s licence a couple of weeks prior. And I asked my dad if I could borrow the car. I had this date organised with a girl, and my dad said:

 

“No, because you’re not on the insurance, if you crash it, then., …”

 

And I said:

 

Ahh! Anyhow he had two cars, so he went out somewhere. So I took it anyway. Of course, I’m 18! I’m gonna take his car anyway. Took his car, went on the date, came back. When I came back, he was home. I got punched in the face for it! So, yeah, it was a tough gig being 18.

 

 

Mark Collett: Do you know what? I always find it really strange because you meet people that have had a fight with their dad and have been punched in the face by their dad. And have fought back, and then you meet other guys and you say, like:

 

“Have you ever punched your dad in the face?”

 

And they say:

 

“No, no, me and my dad have never had that.”

 

Blair Cottrell: I wouldn’t do it. No, no, I wouldn’t do it! My dad’s the only person I wouldn’t hit back. My dad’s only hit me once, actually. It was this car thing. I don’t know why I think it was, …

 

Mark Collett: You’ve never actually had a, … Have you ever had a fight with your dad? So you’ve never actually had a fight?

 

Blair Cottrell: No, no, never! No. And my dad’s the only bloke that if he hit me, I’ll just stand there and take it. I wouldn’t hit him back. Never!

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. I don’t have that level of restraint. Me and my dad when I was younger we have had sort of physical altercations because I was quite wild at times and you know, it’s not something I’m sort of like mega proud of, but as a young guy I find it kind of weird when you meet people that have never had any kind of altercation with their dad. I could never understand that. Because I often did things where I did deserve a sound whacking. You know, I could be quite, I could do stupid things but then be quite sort of unrepentant or cheeky!

 

Blair Cottrell: I got a funny story, I got a small funny story I can interject with. Like my dad and I definitely had some rows. Is that how you say it? Rose or rows? Yeah. We had some, we had some disagreements and, but we didn’t want to hurt each other because my dad, his father, my grandfather, he used to beat the shit out of my dad. So my dad was against hitting me. He didn’t want to do that to his son.

 

But you know, maybe he needed to sometimes because I was a real little shit! But one day he just broke my computer. He broke my computer in a rage because I can’t remember the reason I hadn’t done something. And he was so frustrated that I hadn’t done it that he saw my computer sitting there and I had World of Warcraft sitting there just idle. I’d been playing it. And he just broke it. I remember he threw it across the room and it broke.

 

So then I went and took his big sliding saw, expensive Makita sliding saw out of his shed that next day and I took it down to The Pawnbroker and I swapped it for a new computer! I did a deal with The Pawnbroker! And then he noticed a week later that his sliding saw was gone. So he came in and sort of, he said:

 

“Where’s my sliding saw?”

 

And I said:

 

“Well you broke my computer and you didn’t pay for it. So it had to be replaced, dad. That’s the way things work!”

 

So you know what I mean? There was, that’s the sort of run-ins that I’d have with my dad.

 

 

Mark Collett: Well, I can tell you this. I have had physical altercations with my dad and I have fought back as a young guy but I would never have been bold enough to have taken something my father’s and sell it because he would have, I think the thrashing at that point, I wouldn’t have I. As a young man, I never got the better of my dad. I mean, now things are different. Obviously he’s like an older man. So like if he got mad with me, I’m not gonna start going give him a good kicking.

 

But as a kid, I did get up to things that I shouldn’t have done and there was a couple of situations where he gave me really sound advice, and I didn’t take it, to sort of my detriment. And it was one of those things where I probably should have listened to him a little bit more when I was younger and being sort of, … But when you’re young, your head-strong, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Did your dad try to get you to buy property early?

 

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Mark Collett: No, my dad, my dad sort of, it’s kind of strange because my dad was obviously a big part of my life, but I used to talk to my mom more about decisions that I was going to make. And it was one of those things where I was very close to my mum and obviously she passed away a few years and sort of left a big hole in my life. But I was brought up in a world where mum was the stay at home mum. Your dad was out at work nearly all the time. You spent very little time with your dad as a kid, but you spent a lot of time with your mum. And because of that, I was kind of super close with her and my mum was. My mum and dad were both really political, but my mum was sort of super uber political! So she loved talking about politics, like constantly. And that was something where me and her could speak for like an hour or so on the phone about the way the world was, how things were.

 

And so it’s not that I’m not close with my dad, but I was just super close with my mum. So when it came to that kind of advice, I take more time talking things through with my mum than my dad, to be honest. Who were you sort of closer with? Was it your dad who was the advice giver or your mom?

 

Blair Cottrell: My dad was a very quiet, hard working man. He was just always at work. His only day off he would take me to either track and field athletics or football when I was a kid and he would volunteer as an umpire. My dad was the kind of guy who showed affection, he showed his dedication to you through action. He didn’t really say like, I’ve never hugged my dad, never in my life. That we just didn’t have that physical relationship at all! But he would do a lot for me. He would spend his only day off taking me to football and volunteering to help out, that kind of stuff. So he was just the strong silent type sort of thing.

 

And I think he felt like showing me any affection would perhaps portray weakness. And he thought that that would be wrong because he was always trying to demonstrate himself as a strong father, you know, someone to aspire to. And I appreciate that. I understand it. Probably I’ll be much the same with my own son. But we’ll move on from the dad subject in a sec. What was the last thing I was gonna say? My dad used to own property and he used to tell me that I need to buy property, even if it’s a block of land. He said:

 

“Just buy something!”

 

Because I was making a lot of money when I was young, because thanks to my dad as well, he got me various jobs with big building companies. I was a supervisor for a building company when I was only 18, somehow. All the other supervisors were like 50 year old builders and carpenters. And here I am playing a supervisory role thanks to my dad. My dad’s like:

 

“Buy property, mate! Take some of this money you make him and put it into property. Your future self will thank you for it.”

 

But because my dad was always so stressed and broke, I thought:

 

“The old prick just wants me to be miserable like him. He’s just pissed off that I’ve got money, so I’m not going to listen to him!”

 

And I’m thinking to myself:

 

“You idiot! You idiot!”

 

If I did buy property when I was young, I probably, I’d be in a position right now where I wouldn’t even have to work full-time. But because I didn’t listen. Yeah, but that’s just classic hindsight.

 

Mark Collett: Oh, my dad he’s a very good man and he is a nationalist, but sort of his sort of era of man was a man that didn’t spend a huge amount of time with the family. You spent time with him on a Sunday, maybe a little bit on a Saturday. But dads of that era were always at work, they were always doing everything and they showed their love for their family by providing. This is an odd thing because today everyone’s sort of programmed that your dad shows love for you with loads of hugs and doing everything with you. But back then the dads were and more or less every dad, all my friends dads were the same. They were always out at work, they were up super early, they went out to work, they brought home, …

 

Blair Cottrell: You respected him, right? You wouldn’t act up around, because you respected him. And you kind of feed him a little bit too, in a healthy way. When it was just mom, you knew you could get away with a bit more. You knew you could act up a little bit, you could eat a little bit extra if you could sneak stuff out of the cupboard, whatever. But when dad was around, you didn’t act up because you didn’t give your dad any shit! You respected your dad.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. And not only that, but because you knew how hard your dad worked when he was in the house you wouldn’t be raucous. Like, if it was just your mum around and you had your friends over or you were fighting with your sister. You knew that was kind of all right because Mum sort of put up with that because she was there to sort of oversee you as kids and that was her day job. So:

 

“Sod it! I’m gonna make noise and be a bit crazy!”

 

But if your dad came in and had a long day at work, there was no jumping on the sofa. There was no hooting and hollering and chucking things about. You were respectful. You cleaned up your toys. You did your best because you knew that dad had., … And your mom would be like:

 

“Don’t you be doing this when your dad comes home. Because he’s been out since, you know, 7:30 this morning. He’s had a long day and when he comes in, he doesn’t want you to be playing hell. He wants to come into a respectful family.”

 

And I think these things are largely gone now.

 

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Blair Cottrell: That dynamic was essential from my upbringing, really. I think. Like, my mom could say a thousand words to me and get no result, trying to get me to do something, but my dad just had to speak once, just say a few words, and I would do it straight away.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Blair Cottrell: And I fear the person I might have become if I didn’t have my dad in my life. I probably would have become a much more relentless criminal. Because I feared my dad that kept me, it had some sort of influence over me, which was positive.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, I agree. Similar with me. The Resident Baker gave $20. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Evening, Mark. I was going to give some money to charity for some new jewish ambulances. However, I’ve reconsidered because I don’t really like jewish ambulances and you’re a much more worthy cause.”

 

Thank you so much! [chuckling] I’ve got a video coming out at the weekend about the jewish ambulances, so look out for that. That’s the end of the Entropy Superchats. We’re going to go over to Rumble now.

 

Come on, guys, the Entropy fans. Where were you tonight? The bearded Indian gave $8. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Blair, have you ever brought bread from a man in Brussels who was 6 foot 4 and full of muscles, big love, praying for Joel and the political prisoners.”

 

I get that. I love that song. And you could be the man in Brussels who was also a man from down under, if you listen to the song.

 

Blair Cottrell: I think there’s a sad story behind that song, actually. I won’t tell it because I don’t know it, but I’m pretty sure that song, or maybe it’s not that song. But there’s a stereotypical iconic Australian song that was actually stolen from someone and they lost the rights to it and stuff like that. But anyway, I understand the pun, so I appreciate it.

 

Mark Collett: One of the sad things about Men at Work, the guys who did it, they all sort of fell out with each other. And the original lineup of Men at Work, they’re not all sort of still together. And I don’t think they actually speak to each other, which is really sad! So now there is only one member of Men at Work left, which is the main guy, Colin Hay. But all of the other guys and the ones who came up with the iconic songs, they’ve all left. And I find that quite sad because it’d be nice if after all this time, they were still playing gigs together. But no, it’s just they, …

 

Blair Cottrell: To me, it’s always weird how people fall out. I’ve never fully fallen out with anyone. You know, people have done things upset me and haven’t done the right thing by me always. But I still like to think about the good times I have with those people. So I never really fall out with anyone. Like when I call someone my friend, it’s like a lifelong thing for me. But I suppose, you know, things happen to some people that are bad enough that bridges are burned. I just try not to burn bridges, personally,

 

Mark Collett: I think in the musical world it’s a common thing because I think you’re stuck together with people. When you’re touring, you’re always with them. And then often people have different ideas of where they want their band or their group to go. And I think it’s a very different world. I think that’s a commonplace thing. Bod Nielsen gave three gifted subscriptions. Thank you so much! If you get a gifted subscript subscription, please do keep it up.

 

Blair Cottrell: What is a gifted subscription? Is that like a, …

 

Mark Collett: On Rumble you can gift subscriptions that anyone can claim and then they can keep them going if they want. So the idea is that you get paid subscribers. So say I had 200 paid subscribers at $5 a month from each one. That means you’re gonna get a thousand dollars American every month less the processing fee. And it’s just obviously everyone’s dream is to get to the point where as a content creator, rather than having to sort of hope and pray for Superchats, you end up getting the other stuff where people just gift.

 

And that’s the key thing. Like if you’re on some kind of thing where everyone, a thousand of your supporters gave you $5 a month at the beginning of every month, you don’t have to worry and you don’t have to do Superchats, you know what I mean? It’s just one of the sort of things of how it works, basically. But thank you for giving the gifted subs and if you do get a gifted subs, please maintain it because it means a lot to me. So thank you so much!

 

Serena JB gave $8. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Love to all our fellow nationalists in Australia, especially to Joel.”

 

Thank you very much. Purple sage gave $10 and thank you and said:

 

“Thank you both for all you do.”

 

Well, thank you so much! Einsky gave $5. Thank you so much! He said:

 

“Hail to you, Mark and Blair. Powerful show and powerful takes. Struggle is the father of all things.”

 

Well, I agree. Hazelnut 3,000 gave $10. Thank you and said:

 

“Thank you. Mark and Blair.”

 

Do you know, this is just a little an aside here, but I remember reading about the butterfly. And butterflies struggle coming out of their cocoon, but if you cut the cocoon open and you help the butterfly out, it basically retards the butterfly and it can’t then operate. The butterfly needs that struggle in order to get out. Conversely, it’s different for chickens coming out of eggs. If you are hatching chickens and you don’t wet the eggs and soften them, the chickens actually do need a hand getting out of the eggs, they die.

 

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Blair Cottrell: There’s so much balance to be considered in these things. And I think the female role in this process is to empathize with the creature in the immediate sense and the masculine role is to kind of empathize with the broader implications of what you’re doing in the moment. So women will always, or the more feminine creatures or people, they’ll always try to help the person in the moment, make the person feel good in the moment. And that’s the way feminine empathy is expressed.

 

Whereas, whereas male empathy will be allow whatever it is to figure it out for itself and interfere not so much in the moment in order that things are stronger and more developed in a broader sense. More of a, what do you call it, survival of the fittest type thing. That’s like mass masculine altruism, you might say, whereas the feminine altruism is much more immediate.

 

But I think having a balance of those things, because they’re both very natural expressions, aren’t they? It’s like one isn’t bad or worse than the other. I think when you go one way too far, like modern society has gone way too far to the feminine, well then you end up with a weak and sickly society because everyone gets cared for in the moment too much. They get what they want in the moment, what they feel like, they get validated too much for not really doing anything of value.

 

So I think in future, as Tom Sewell would say, when we take this country, when we take control, when we take power, we need to strike a really appropriate balance between those two forces and we need to maintain it and really prevent things from going too far one way or the other.

 

Mark Collett: Thank you. The Bearded Indian gave $6. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“The Trump or the police aren’t victims because they’re being misled. They are self serving pigs who’ll step on anyone to keep their snout in the trough. They know exactly what they’re doing.”

 

Well, thank you so much! Igs 22, gave $5. Thank you so much! And he said:

 

“I stayed with an Italian family in Lima, Peru. Both sons, 40, live at home with partners. They pool resources and own four successful businesses. Should we teach our kids to build wealth as a family unit?”

 

Well, that’s a very interesting question. My answer to that would be, I would love my children to grow up near me and have a relationship with them longer and later in life. I moved away from where my parents are, but I do also think it’s important for people to have space.

 

So for example if my daughter met a nice guy and they wanted to settle down, I would want to help them get their own house. I’d want to help them settle, settle down so they have their own space. Because I don’t think you can truly flourish as a young couple if you’re living under the roof of one of your parents. So I do understand that people in some cultures have these large family gatherings under one roof. But I think as a young couple, it’s nice to have your own space and to be able to branch out a little bit. It’s nice to have the parents there and the extended family close, but too close, I think can be stifling. What do you think, Blair?

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, you don’t want to live under the same roof as like too many different families, extended family, friends. Living under the same roof with friends is actually the fastest way to ruin relationships with friends because you get to see what your friend is actually like most of the time. Like cracks start to appear, laziness, stuff like that. And it’s really problematic for ongoing friendships and even living with family sometimes. People end up really disliking their own siblings if they [chuckling] spend too much time too close to each other.

 

So everyone needs their space. That’s why we all go to our own bedrooms at the end of the day. So even if you’re living in a community based environment, everyone having their own space, space, like even if it’s on the same property, you have different little houses on the same property that you can go to and you still have your room, your office, your bedroom you can retreat to at the end of the day. I think that’s really important, especially important for me. I like to spend a long, long periods of time alone. Actually people close to me say they don’t know anyone, they’ve said that they don’t know anyone who needs as much time to himself as I do.

 

So it’s really important for some people it’s just a necessary facet of the human condition, I think.

 

Mark Collett: I completely agree! I like time on my own. And I don’t understand people who always have to be, …

 

[1:55:21]

 

Blair Cottrell: I watched a video recently, the top 10 things like intelligent people do or something. And I watched it because I thought, I want to see if I do any of these things. Now I’m not gonna brag and tell you how many of the things I ended up doing, but the one thing that surprised me was talking to yourself.

 

One of the things apparently intelligent people do is they talk to themselves. And I’m thinking that blew my mind when that one popped up on the screen because I thought:

 

“I’ve been doing that since I was a kid, a lot!”

 

I’ve been waiting for no one to be in the house so I can pace the hallway and discuss things with myself. And I’m wondering, do you do that, Mark?

 

Mark Collett: Oh, God, [chuckling] I’m laughing because I do. I do! And the worst thing is, the worst thing is the Mrs will like, come into the house and I won’t hear her coming in, and I’ll be in sort of like conversation. She’s like:

 

“Who are you talking to earlier?”

 

And I was just like:

 

“Just myself. I was running through a few ideas and doing a back and forth and my sort of inner monologue was coming out.”

 

And I do this when I’m running as well. I used to go on long runs on a Sunday morning and I’d have a conversation about ideas. And if I’m planning out a speech or something like that, I will do it and run through it under my breath.

 

And sometimes I walk past people in the street and they’ll be looking at me like:

 

“He’s talking to himself!”

 

But you speak to some people and you’ll be like:

 

“That’s just my inner monologue.”

 

And they’re like:

 

“What’s one of them?”

 

And you’ll be like:

 

“What do you mean? So you don’t have conversations with yourself about ideas and plans, and you don’t have a back and forth?”

 

And they’re like:

 

“No.”

 

Blair Cottrell: We’ll get to the point where they’re planting microphones in your house, and you’ll be committing hate speech to yourself! Yeah, and you’ll be a charge for hate speech to yourself, Mark. You’ve got to be careful!

 

Mark Collett: But [chuckling] I do it all the time and it sometimes frustrates and freaks people out.

 

And sometimes, as I say, the Mrs will come up and says:

 

“Who are you talking to? Your phone wasn’t even, …”

 

“Yeah, well, that’s just me. Just me.”

 

And it really annoys you if I say:

 

“It’s the best conversation I get in this house, which is like, that’s the best!”

 

If you want to start a real argument is when your misses catches you having the inner monologue, remind her that it’s more intelligent conversation than you get out of her. And then you will get that is the fast track to being punched by your partner.

 

All Good, How’s It Going gave two dollars. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Hail Mark! Hail, Blair! If you could both meet up IRL in each other’s countries, where is the first place you would go to Showcase your homeland? I’m glad you’re still alive and well, Blair.”

 

Well, I didn’t actually get to do as much with Blair as I do with, usually when people come over. And it’s because Blair arrived, I met him then. He had to go and do things with his partner and they went on little exploratory journeys themselves. But if I could have taken Blair anywhere, it would have been to a place called Bradgate Park in Leicestershire which has got historic ruins, wild running deer, and some of the oldest trees in the whole country. Like these trees, some of them are 7, 800 years old.

 

So the things they’ve seen in their lifetime is just incredible! You know, they really are these incredible sort of they’re not obviously alive in the sense of like a creature, but living entities that have seen changes over their lifetime that we couldn’t, we couldn’t imagine.

 

And I think that connection with nature to me is important. It’s a place I went as a child, and sharing that with somebody like Blair would have been awesome! But unfortunately, we didn’t get as much time together as I hoped.

 

Blair Cottrell: When I was a kid, I used to wish that I could touch an old tree and absorb its knowledge. I used to imagine that that was happening if I touched an old tree. But I’m kind of torn. I want to take Mark. I would take Mark to the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne and explain, like, exactly the significance of all the different features, because it’s very significant, not just to Australians, but to, I think, all extended members of our race. And I’ve learnt that only recently, actually in the past few years.

 

But then I also want to take Mark to the athletics track, the track and field institution setup that I used to compete on when I was younger. And I want to see if I can beat him in a 200 metre or 100 metre foot race. That’s what I’d really want to do!

 

Mark Collett: I’m an old man now. I’m 45. And one thing I’ve noticed, as I get older, I don’t seem to get that much weaker. So I can still go to the gym and do decent lifts and build myself up. But that burst energy where you can, not long distance. You can still do you get a lot of long distance instance runners who were old men. But that burst energy you have when you’re young, it’s just gone. So you might beat me there. Spartan Sadaka gave $2. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“My view is this planet needs a moral, wise, compassionate White emperor that has legally restrained authority over every single military and space travel, peace by centralisation and strict laws of war.”

 

Well, thank you so much! Ironically, I made a joke earlier, privately to Blair that he would make an excellent sort of Conan the King style character that could rule by a compassionate force. I actually said that to you earlier, didn’t I? There’s something I actually said to you. So would you take the role of Conan the King?

 

[2:00:38]

 

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, I do. I remember. And the reason Mark said that is because I said the picture he used in the backdrop for this screen, the picture of me, I hadn’t seen that picture before, And I thought, when I saw it, I thought I look like a junior Bill Gates.

 

Mark Collett: Yes, you have seen it. It’s the picture me and you had together at the conference, because.

 

Blair Cottrell: Okay, right.

 

But it’s like I look like a junior Bill Gates, like a psycho banker or something who wants to take over the world. And I said, I promise Mark, I don’t want to take over the world. He said to me:

 

“You know what? You probably should!”

 

Mark Collett: Well, I always see, apparently the Arnold Schwarzenegger Conan franchise was meant to run for about 10 films and the final one was meant to be called Conan the King, where you had an old Schwarzenegger sat atop a throne, worn out, old, but proud of everything he’d built and created.

 

And I always sort of thought of that as like the great White ruler that united his people, conquered everything and died still on top. A very rare ideal because most leaders don’t make it that far.

 

But I think you’d be a worthy man, … Or everything could go to hell and you could be kind of the great humongous in like a Mad Max world.

 

Blair Cottrell: Whatever works. As long as I’m getting what I need and as long as I’ve got my boys with me, I’m happy.

 

Mark Collett: Good, good. The Shogun gave $5. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Feels surreal that we have the honour of witnessing two heroes of the White race live on screen and can send $5, but just don’t.”

 

Well, thank you so much! And you did. Baba2 gave $50! Thank you so much for your generosity. And he said:

 

“White American, proud National Socialist here. Showing my support for you both. Hail folks. Hoping tomorrow brings freedom for Joel.”

 

Well, so do I. Thank you. Thank you so much! And if he can come on a stream soon, I’d love to do a special with him to talk about his time in jail. How’s It Going gave $5. Thank you so much! And he said:

 

“For Blair and Mark. I was in a car accident three years ago. (I’m sorry to hear that.) And haven’t had the motivation to get back in the gym. Any ideas or motivation you could send my way. Hail Mark and Blair! Free Joel!”

 

Well, sometimes car accidents can have a massive effect on you. A big accident. So I hope you get out of the place you’re in mentally. But I think sometimes when you have sort of a trauma, it can affect you in other ways. And my best advice for anybody, and this is what my dad always used to say, most people who fail to get where they want to be fail because tomorrow is always the start date for every single project. But tomorrow never comes!:

 

“I’m always going to start tomorrow. Now I’ll start at the beginning of next month. I’m going to start when we get to summer next year. First of January. I’ll start. Had a heavy night last night. Starting the first new week in January!”

 

There’s always an excuse. Today has to be the day. And it takes real mental will and iron and steel in your heart to do that.

 

And to me, if you want to get down to the gym, don’t plan it. One day just get up and do it. There is no plan. Just do it! That’s got to be the way. And commit to it. I used to do this on a Sunday morning. I used to run 10k every Sunday morning before I had the kids. And I’ll tell you this, there’s always a good excuse every Sunday morning not to get out of bed at 6 am and run 10k.

 

But if you don’t do it, you feel like an absolute piece of crap for the rest of the day. If you do it, you feel fantastic and you’re glad you did it.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, I would not be so enthusiastic about life if I didn’t lift weights in the gym. I feel like it helps me cope. Really. It’s like my Medicine, right? It’s like my therapy and my Medicine at the same time. So am I not going to take my Medicine?

 

Of course not. I’m going to take my Medicine, but I don’t actually take any pills. I just go to the gym. That’s my Medicine! Makes me feel better. It makes me. Makes me feel like nothing else really compares to the pain I just experienced in there. So then everything else is easy compared to that? That’s part of it. But I agree with Mark. Sometimes you just gotta do whatever it is that you want to do in the moment, or an idea that you’ve got, something you want to try, you put it into practice immediately.

 

Because you have to understand as a human, you need to know your limits as a human, you need to understand the human condition. You’re lazy! You’re lazy and you’re habit prone.

 

[2:05:19]

 

So the only way you’re going to break the habit is to just immediately break it. As soon as you get an idea in your head of how to break it, put it into action straight away, literally. Drive to the gym, join it and go in there with your bag and your towel in the bag, you singlet on and just do a workout, see what you come up with. If you don’t know how to work out, look it up on YouTube or watch what the other guys in the gym are doing and copy them. Sit on some machines and just see how they move, see how they work. Just taking that first step of getting out of your comfort zone and breaking the habit, that’s like 50% of the work. Trust me, you’re halfway there already, once you’ve broken the habit.

 

And if you’ve been in a car accident, you’ve sustained some relatively serious injuries, there’s a good chance you could still be taking opioids. People get into a habit of taking the Panadine, or the Tramadol or whatever it is that they get put on. And then two years later, after a broken leg, or a crushed pelvis in a car accident, they’re completely healed, but they’re still taking the opioids because the body’s developed a mild dependency on the drug. And the medical institutions love that! Because they can keep selling you the drug indefinitely and telling you that you need it. And you feel like you need it. Your brain thinks it does. Swap out that Medicine or whatever else it is that you’re doing to cope with life, drinking, eating, sugar, I guarantee you’ve got some cope. Even smoking cigarettes. Swap that out for the gym. Make the gym your cope! Make the gym your Medicine, your therapy, your body will reward you for it, believe me.

 

Mark Collett: Thank you. Son of Wessex is now a monthly supporter. Thank you so much! Einsteroski gave $5. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Blair. I find your Telegram, videos and weightlifting useful and the same goes for your posts on various topics. As for our enemies, their rotten bones are trembling. Defeat never, victory forever!”

 

Well, thank you so much! Ranulph White wolf 11 gave $5. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“One of my English students here has been having me read a jewish book about how all races are just as smart and Whites advanced because of farming. Any thoughts on attention attempts to modernise the Aborigines?”

 

Well, look, I would say this, anyone that says all races are equally smart is by nature a fraud. Farming is a result of intelligence, but it’s also a result of being able to defer pleasure and to plan. And that is a function of intelligence. People who are not very intelligent just can’t defer pleasure. It’s like the trick which you do. Well, not a trick. It’s like a little game you do with your children. Say:

 

“Would you like one chocolate egg now or two chocolate eggs in 10 minutes?”

 

And the child that isn’t very smart will take the egg immediately. But not, and wouldn’t won’t understand that waiting and having patience is a good thing. And you tend to find find this with certain racial groups that if you say to them:

 

“Would you like £10 now, or a hundred pounds in a day’s time?”

 

They’ll take the ten pounds, go and spend it, and in a few days time they won’t even remember what really happened.

 

Whereas intelligence people will genuinely defer. It’s why more intelligent people sort of save their money rather than just spending it. So they plan for the future.

 

Whereas people who are very impulsive and have low impulse control who are less intelligent, they get themselves into financial bother because they can’t work it out. And it’s why White people who aren’t as intelligent are preyed upon so heavily by financial institutions. Because the financial institutions know that if they dangle the carrot of have the car now, but pay stupidly high amounts for repayments on finance, less intelligent people will always fall for that. And it’s why our ancestors had such strong laws against usury and against coercive forms of finance and money lending, because they knew that more vulnerable people in society would get in sort of permanently in debt to the money lenders.

 

Blair Cottrell: Whoever said that, by the way, that:

 

“All races are equally intelligent and White people just did better because of farming.”

 

They’re worse, … Mark said that person’s obviously a fraud. It’s worse than fraudulent. They’re probably hostile, laying the groundwork for racial equality so they can open your borders or contribute to your tolerance of open borders which leads to your own ethnic replacement. The whole idea that White people just use some kind of cheat code that everyone’s the same and White people cheated. See, when you start believing in racial equality and the equality of all people, then the only way one race or ethnic group of people could be doing better in terms of creativity and civilisation. The only way that you can make sense of that if you believe in equality is:

 

“Well, they must have cheated!”

 

[2:10:31]

 

And so then your feeling, your objective in life is basically centreed around bringing that race down! Because they’ve cheated, they’re not allowed to be better! Because them being better conflicts with my idea about racial equality. And if the races are equal, then they need to be made equal not by lifting up the lesser, but by dragging down the ones that cheated, the better ones. Because the only way they could be better is if they cheated.

 

Or people like that could rethink their worldview and just acknowledge basic reality that the races aren’t equal. Look, there’s plenty of low IQ White people. Not all White people are creative geniuses or intelligent. We have plenty of White people out there that have the intelligence of somebody from Africa. There’s plenty of them. But on average, White people [average IQ of 100] tend to be slightly more intelligent or higher IQ than people from Africa [average IQ of 70] *. There’s a mean to consider there.

 

[* IQ and Race-See RACE, EVOLUTION, AND BEHAVIOR: A Life History Perspective. By Professor J. Philippe Rushton: “Is race real? Do the races differ in behaviour as well as in body? Are such views just the result of White racism? Modern science shows a three-way pattern of race differences in both physical traits and behaviour. On average, Orientals are slower to mature, less fertile, less sexually active, less aggressive, and have larger brains and higher IQ scores. Blacks are at the other pole. Whites fall in the middle, but closer to Orientals than to Blacks.” https://katana17.com/2014/06/10/race-evolution-And-behaviour-part-1/]

 

[Here, Canadian Prof. Phillipe J. Rushton at the Amren Conference 2000, reports on his travels to South Africa to find out for himself whether studies showing that Africans have an average IQ of 70, is true or not.

The very idea that there are differences in intelligence between the races has been made into a taboo topic by organized jewry, turning commonsense on its head and forcing people to believe nonsense about “racial equality”. One main purposes why organized jewry pushes this propaganda lie about the “equality of races” is to remove objections from White people to the flooding of their society with masses of low IQ blacks and browns. This is why rare academics, like Rushton, who tell the truth about racial differences are vilified in our jewish controlled media — KATANA.]

 

 

And like as you suggested just then, Mark, in this case, the chicken came before the egg. Like, you don’t farm, you don’t put any effort into preparing a system of resources for the future unless you already have the intelligence to do so in the beginning. Unless you have the foresight which is related to intelligence.

 

So, like, one of the worst things you can do for yourself is believe in human equality, specifically human racial equality, because it’s going to make you very angry! You’re going to be very angry downstream from that viewpoint because you’re going to expect that everyone should and can perform equally when they obviously can’t! And you’re going to become very frustrated with everybody because what they’re actually doing and the way they’re performing does not reflect the preconceived idea of equality that you’ve been sold and you’ve invested yourself into.

 

So if you are watching this and you tend towards that equality stuff, if you’re a Leftist, if you’re a cop working for the system, they probably watch this stuff, take a step back because human equality is not real and it’s going to piss you off! And you’re going to spend a lot of time trying to cope and enforce something that doesn’t exist. So like trust me, life, when you realise people aren’t equal, you become more forgiving. You become a little more forgiving of the average person who can’t move at the same pace as the others. You actually have more empathy in my opinion, when you don’t believe in human equality. But I won’t get into that. I won’t discuss that anymore. Just say that believing in equality is not just wrong, it’s going to make your life more difficult.

 

Mark Collett: Certainly is. How’s It Going gave $2. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Deciding on the right food to eat is my big issue, my biggest issue. I don’t know how to cook really well! Do you guys have any go to easy healthy meals? Thank you.”

 

Yeah, I do. I’ll give you mine very quickly. I make smash burgers at home. They’re really easy to make. You just get two balls of ground beef that weigh around, to your taste. I always do it 60 grams. I get the 60 gram balls of ground beef. I’ve got a burger smasher. I smash them into a really low frying pan. I haven’t actually got a skillet. I make them, I top them with cheese, put them in a brioche bun. I load it up with things that I like, lettuce, onion, tomato. There’s a really good protein content there. I either eat one of those or two of those if I fancy four burger patties. So somewhere between 60 and 120 grams of 5% fat minced beef. So it’s the higher protein minced beef. These are very cheap. Much cheaper and much healthier than buying at McDonald’s. You can buy the ground beef in bulk. You can get your mayonnaise, your sauces in bulk. The cheese is really cheap. You buy your brioche buns really cheap in bulk. They don’t go off either. They’ve got about a 30 day shelf life because of the sugar content. They’re not like normal bread. I could eat those all day! In fact, I made those for tea for the whole family tonight because they like them too.

 

I’ve been to the gym today and I get a lot out of eating like that. I also enjoy things like steak, but that’s a lot more expensive! So I go for the ground beef option and I make my own burgers and they’re very healthy. There’s no added ingredients. It is just the ground beef in the pan with the burger smasher.

 

Blair Cottrell: Eight eggs, eight good eggs! Eggs you can get in bulk pretty cheap, if you can find like a farm or regional source, local source, you can get them in trays, trays of 30. If you’re going to cook them, you want to just crack them all into the pan, scramble them up, throw in some onion and some garlic. If you’re going to drink them raw, which you can also do, just do it one at a time. And don’t break the yolk. Because when you break the yolk, if you’re drinking an egg, you get like a fat, salty taste, which can make some people gag. Like drinking eggs is actually fine, in my opinion. I’ve drank hundreds of eggs because I haven’t had the time to cook them. I’ve done it as like a quick snack. In my life I haven’t drank hundreds of eggs in one sitting, but in my life I’ve drank hundreds and I’ve been fine!

 

So yeah, if my go to snack, it’s easy. Eight eggs. Eight good eggs!

 

Mark Collett: Blair, I will. I’ve done the egg thing. I like him scrambled, but I add to mine little bit of ham and some kind of chili sauce. I like a bit of like really hot chili sauce in the pan. So scrambled. I have ham and that. I’ve never tried the garlic, but yeah, I’ve done that as well in the morning. So I’ve done the eggs in the morning. The smash burgers for lunch, whatever I get cooked for my evening meal. Then before bed, a big whey protein shake. So I’m sleeping on the protein. The eggs are really good as well.

 

Blair Cottrell: Careful, there’s no vegetable oil in that sweet chili sauce. It’ll make you gay. [chuckling]

 

[2:16:37]

 

Mark Collett: Well, I mean, [chuckling] I’m doing pretty well already. Two kids obviously not doing the homo thing, yet. But to be honest. Do you know what got me into the thing? Me and my missus don’t really buy each other presents for Christmas and things. It’s waste of money. We’ve got most things we need, but we buy each other sort of silly things. And one year she bought me the complete collection of like chilies.

 

And it started off with like, I’m a big fanny. Anyone could drink this with. If you drink this you’re gonna die. And she was like, are we gonna do that? If we drink this, you’re gonna die.

 

And I was like:

 

“Yeah!”

 

She had a little bit. And she was like, this is fine. I’m like, you’re being a complete freak! Let’s get some of this down. Oh, my God, I did nearly die, I can tell you! My eyes were watering, my nose was, … It was one of the top three chilies in the world sort of condensed into a sauce. And I thought I could just tank in and boy, did I regret it! I don’t put that on my eggs. I can tell you!

 

Blair Cottrell: Someone is wondering if oil, like vegetable oil, does make you gay the way sugar does? I don’t know. You just got to assume the worst with this stuff, guys. And hey, it makes you weaker and sicker. So gay weak sick, it’s all the same, isn’t it?

 

Mark Collett: Look, I’ll say this. Do you know what? I actually spend less time worrying about what’s in food and more time worrying about what’s in non-prescription and prescription drugs. And one of the things that I think really weakens men is this cannabis addiction. Everyone’s smoking cannabis!

 

Blair Cottrell: I smelt marijuana in England quite frequently and I don’t smell it as much here. I gotta say. It might be a thing there, or maybe there’s a thing here too, I don’t know.

 

But yeah, it’s not very popular among the Right-wing or nationalist community down here in Australia. Not that I know of there’s actually some staunch opinions against it.

 

Mark Collett: Everyone does it here and I think it’s gonna have real mental problems for people in the future. Baba2 gave $20. Thank you for your continued support. Said:

 

“It’s good to be in solidarity like men with men like you two. Looking forward to the Duke-Green debate. I’m a Green supporter, but also a Duke supporter. I’m 61 and still work out hard.”

 

Well done. And he said:

 

“Just join Nova now.”

 

I would really like to talk to the Nova people. They reached out to me by email. I replied and they never got back to me. I offered them a show to discuss what they do. If anyone from Nova wants to do that as a Sunday or Friday night special, I’d be interested in doing that. Ulrich wrangle gave $3. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Mark and Blair. Would be good to see Jacob Hersant on PWR to complete the Aussie Guys.”

 

He’s already been on!:

 

“Blair, does he do interviews?”

 

Yes, he does:

 

“And Mark, could you be his long lost Aussie brother?”

 

Yes, I could. He’s been on before. He’s welcome to come on again. Phoenix National gave $3 and said:

 

“Great stream!”

 

Well, thank you so much! Santandex gave $21. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Hi, Mark and Blair. I’m currently trying to organise Whites in my area by putting at flyers and stickers with a link to my Telegram. Just wondering if either of you have any advice for other ways also.”

 

And he said:

 

“By the way, I’m in Australia.”

 

I think the best thing in Australia personally with the new laws coming in is to build sort of informal networks. So it’s not a codified group. I mean, what do you think, Blair?

 

Blair Cottrell: I think the guys are trying to figure it out. Everybody’s trying to figure it out. It’s one of those situations where you’re forced to adapt a new strategy, obviously. And a new strategy will be adapted.

 

There’s been the boys are converging. I don’t even know. I don’t know! At this point, it’s all so fresh that it’s something that’s being discussed amongst different groups and people like, I don’t know. There’s still groups, there’s still activist groups that exist. They just don’t do a lot of activism right now as a result of how much heat there is on activists from our side of politics. It’s basically, it’s almost illegal to be a nationalist in Australia right now! It’s basically illegal depending on how you express that nationalism, or whether you express it at all! It’s almost like if you want to be nationalist, you have to be nationalists quietly at home, but you can’t talk about it in public. That’s the point we’re pretty much at in Australia.

 

So how do you actually adapt to that? That’s yet to be determined.

 

Mark Collett: Thank you. Ulrich Wrangler gave another $3. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Mark after the successful show with the Angry Bootnik. Who is next on your hit list of converting to our side? Can I suggest a normie channel called Dinobain? He reminds me of the old Iconoclast.”

 

Look, I’ll chat to any of these people. I’m very welcoming to people. If Dinobain, I’ve heard of him. If he wants to come on my channel and talk about ethno-nationalism, reach out to him. The invite’s there. Dinobain, let’s talk. Evon626 gave $25. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“So I want to give money but I want to ask something. All my thoughts are Fed posty. Okay, here everyone should build an underground cache of creatine and wait for a chance to distribute it to Right-wing friends. That’s not a question. How about agree disagree that creatine cash must be underground and have a hidden entrance so the satellite eyes in the sky are blind to it.”

 

I use creatine. Do you know what? I thought creatine was a lie at first. I thought nothing could have that sort of instant positive effect. But I find if I take the creatine, it boosts my lifts by about 8 to 10% and if I don’t take it, I am noticeably weaker and less pumped. Do you use creatine?

 

[2:22:24]

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s pretty specific, Mark. It boosts your list by about 8 to 10%, by about 8.7 or 10.3% roughly in between that region. Yeah, I do use creatine on occasion and it does work. It’s one of the more studied substances or compounds, and it’s typically derived from red meat.

 

So if you have a diet that’s high in red meat, you’ll probably get enough creatine naturally. But it is a good idea to load it up with a supplement just so you’re not having to eat 17 steaks a week, because it’s not really financially viable in this economy. But there’s all sorts of evidence available suggesting that it’s great for mental health, cognitive function, fertility, even in women. So creatine is almost like a very important building block for general health. You want to look into that too, guys, if you have the time and look at investing in a creatine supplement, I personally find it increases my stamina working out. I can always do extra reps with heavier weight after I have 5 to 10 grams of creatine, usually an hour before I work out. It can also be viable to have it after your workout to replenish, … Because your muscles, you muscle cells are really open after a workout, your sensitivity to absorb nutrients is greater so the creatine can get back in and sort of volumize your muscle cells and assist with the recovery as well.

 

Mark Collett: I also find with the creatine, it’s one of the cheapest supplements as well. You can get 100% pure creatine very cheap. Like some of these things are quite expensive. It’s cheap, it’s effective. Get it guys! Ranulph White Wolf 11 gave $4. Thank you so much! And he said:

 

“Jared Diamond in Guns, Germs and Steel*. Obviously Diamond is an anti-White jew.”

 

[* In this book Diamond pushes the anti-White narrative on race, etc.]

 

Well, thank you so much! How’s It’s Going gave a dollar.

 

Thank you very much. And he said:

 

“Thank you guys so much for the wisdom and encouragement. Mark and Blair are the greatest of all time!”

 

Well, thank you so much! We do our best. Ranulph White Wolf gave another $2. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Back when I lived in South Korea, I would drink red ginsing before working out. And I found that raised my failure threshold.”

 

Yeah, there are natural things that a lot of people swore by that. I believe that the famous Olympic runner Linford Christie used ginseng tea. Solar Mass gave $20. Thanks so much. Said:

 

“Thanks fellas. Great show as usual.”

 

Aunt Sally gave $5. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Thank you Mark and Blair.”

 

And ScaredyCat gave $8 and said:

 

“Hi Blair, Mark. Right now our stage of politics is all humanity being ruled by the jewish community and its allies, the Christian Zionists and the Muslim Zionists. Planet Earth’s 200 countries are one by one being converted to a single corporate Terms of Service world ruled by hate crime legislation.”

 

Well, thank you so much! And that is very true.

 

And I believe one of the reasons that they will go after, or have gone after Iran is because it’s one of the countries or one of the few countries that does not have a Central Banking system owned by the Rothschilds.

 

Anyway, we’ve done a half an hour more than we were expecting and thank you for everyone who chipped in tonight. It’s really appreciated. But thanks most to Blair. It’s been an amazing stream. You know Blair, it’s really weird because I just want to say this.

 

Firstly, a massive thank you for sticking around for an extra 25 minutes. But look, also, you’re one of the few people, … Like I actually had a plan for this show and it largely went out the window. And you’re one of the few people who when I do a show, I don’t need to stick to the show notes. I kind of feel that we could sort of do a four or five hour show where we were just talking about random things, and it would probably be more entertaining than the usual structured, you know, 20 minute, 20 minute, 20 minute show followed by an hour of questions. You are a very versatile guy and your takes tonight have been absolutely fantastic! But thank you for being here and as always please do have the last word and then we’ll shut things down.

 

Blair Cottrell: Likewise, mate. Yeah, I enjoy the shows. I always, I look forward to when you ask me to come on, to be honest. Whenever you say:

 

“Hey, you’re free this week?”

 

I’m just like:

 

“Hey, that’ll be fun!”

 

And actually, I told my mates about it:

 

“I’m going on with Mark this week.”

 

So, yeah, I enjoy it as well. I find the conversation flows quite quickly, quite naturally. And you’re an inquisitive guy, you’re a curious guy and you’re always curious to discuss things, which I appreciate. And yeah, it is good to not have to stick always too rigidly to the same basic political talking points, because you can go down, you can go down a pretty extensive rabbit hole with that stuff and you still need to keep yourself understandable. It’s just more entertaining, I think, and it’s more enjoyable when you can discuss things that are a little bit more relatable to the standard person, a little bit more human sometimes.

 

So, yeah, I feel the same and I appreciate it. Thanks for the invite. It’s been a good show. We probably could have discussed the whole Trump Iran situation a little more in depth. I do have more feelings about that, more thoughts about that, but I’m sure that there’s so much of that going on the Internet, I don’t feel we need to contribute any more to it, now that I think about it.

 

[2:27:25]

 

Mark Collett: Well, look, I really enjoy having you on and I do have sort of a rotation of guests and to be fair, like, I always feel bad calling on you personally because you have to get up early in the morning. But if you’re willing to, I would happily have you on quarterly, once every three months as a regular recurring guest because it always is such a good show. And to hear that you enjoy coming on, I will ask you more often, but I always felt I was a bit of an inconvenience or potentially a pain in the arse because [chuckling] for you it’s like the early morning show and some people it doesn’t work.

 

Whereas when you invited me on your show, it was always the best thing ever because you always invited me on and you’re like:

 

“Oh, it’s late night in Australia.”

 

But It was like 10 AM here, which was absolutely brilliant for me because I’ve just got up, just necked the first energy drink and I’m sort of feeling as if I can take on the world.

 

Whereas for you it’s a bit early. But thank you so much, it’s been amazing and I will get you on more often. Thank you also to everyone who donated so generously. Everyone was super generous through Rumble tonight, so thank you so much!

 

I don’t know what was going on with Entropy and I’m not saying this because I’m asking for more Entropy donations, but if there is a problem with Entropy, I’ve had a few reports of issues and Henrik was having an issue. So if there is an issue with that platform, please let me know so I can feed it back to the developers. Because you know that is important and Henrik was talking about that last time I was on his show.

 

Anyway, thank you also to everyone who tuned in. So thank you to Blair, thank you to everyone who donated so generously and thank you to everyone who was watching live. We were quite high up and boosted on Rumble tonight in the trending news thing. We’re on the front page of the trending live stream. So thank you to everyone who got us there.

 

I will be back later in the week with a pre-recorded video. I’m doing some more streams. Keep an eye on Telegram for those and I’ll be back next week with Steve Laws for another episode of Patriotic Weekly Review.

 

And if you want to donate when I’m offline, please do so if you’re one of those people watching on replay, you can give then.

 

Anyway, thank you so much, see you next week. Good night everyone. I appreciate your support. Love you all.

 

 

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Mark Collett
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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@ancientviking
all these outward nazis are rumoured to be feds

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withey
3 hours ago
great show, goodnight all 14/88 28

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
evening dupes

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
ye tnx

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Sir Trancealot
3 hours ago
14

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@Joesmith
3 hours ago
14

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@MarkCollett
you have so many guests, but imagine unz laughing at your back for making you believe his scam he is some kind of right winger

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
so mark can praise iran more? lets not

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago
ye Blair is a beast

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
might as well be a jew himself

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
according to duke nothing was good before christianity/judiasm

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@BlairCottrell
can you snatch? clean&jerk?

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
and duke is a zionist

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago
Unz is basically a Liberal Jew, he simply seems not able to grasp the very concept of racial identity.
He just publishes a lot of right wing content, for the sake of the traffic it engenders, not because he is our friend.

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago
and others in heavily mixed California. this was in the link

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@MarkCollett
https://www.unz.com/runz/an-open-letter-to-the-alt-right-and-others/
why do you invite unz to your show? he believes that the ideal of a White ethnostate as the most desirable political outcome is debunked by the reality of low crime and unproblematic coexistence of Whites, Hispanics

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
so whats the benefit in UK when everyone is prediposed to hating it?

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
we don’t have the same law and you will get locked up .. and noboy supports it here

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
you deserve to go to jail if don’t realise the ramifications of using hiterl outside of USA

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Prison Ships
3 hours ago
I hope DUKE beats the cancer and out lives trump.

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
stop being revelators of hitler in commonwealth countries

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@BlairCottrell
of course it is illegal, look at the warfare tom sewell you and others are subjected to

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
what about if there is a redpilled scientist egghead, would he trigger inferiority complexes and how do you escape from that if you accept human inequality?

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ancientviking
3 hours ago

@withey
Not on the top 10

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@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 hours ago

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
IDK that’s of course your original question for Blair, not something I have a problem accepting having worked with such academics on projects together.

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Sir Trancealot
3 hours ago
Dinobane is based

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
its stupid as shiiit

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Alice1488
32 minutes ago
Blair is a real White man, a national treasure for Australia. It’s rare to see a Nationalist that doesn’t get involved with drama!

Barnes isn’t Noble
32 minutes ago
I believe entropy has had payment processing issues if I remember correctly Henrick mentioned having not received donation funds from one of his payment processors.

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago
i don’t think they monitor this chat

@Ihtultu
3 hours ago
Good evening everyone.

Obscure Truth
3 hours ago
True.

@Ihtultu
3 hours ago
take it alongside beta alanine.

withey
3 hours ago

@ancientviking
but it is a problem

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago
2.2 *grams per kg

ancientviking
3 hours ago
like thats the biggest problem

ancientviking
3 hours ago
wahhh people smoke weed …

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@Mar

@BlairCottrell
how do i get to 2.2 proteins per kg of weight though, with eggs only?

ancientviking
3 hours ago
its a good level to be at

ancientviking
3 hours ago
carolina reaper or scorpion pepper

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 hours ago

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
I’ve spent a lot of time around some incredibly intelligent academics, I like to call the lampshades because they make the bright appear dimmer, but they too tow the line and rather tell a lie rather than be aberrant and tell the truth on certain matters

withey
3 hours ago

@Philip.Kollberg
i drink raw eggs it’s lovely either 1 at a time or 3 in a glass and drink drink drink

@Ihtultu
3 hours ago
They’re trying to make the goys gay!!!

ancientviking
3 hours ago
Yet ……

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
4 hours ago
Richard Spencer liked hamburgers with caramelised onion or something like that

@Philip.Kollberg
4 hours ago
drink egg is awful

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
4 hours ago
i mean, do you justify priviledge by way human inequality?

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
4 hours ago

@BlairCottrell
..and how do you think you stack against a scientist or someone like that, do you accept your intellectual inferiority as downstream from human inequality, or … do you cope by claiming you are cleverer because you are red-pilled, they are just privileged pencilnecked eggheads, etc

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Cannot recommend that enough

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
If you don’t know how to cook start with stews

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago
I found 20% fat better for smash burgers with onions.

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago
5%??

ancientviking
4 hours ago
suger filled buns

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
It’s the European stable food

ancientviking
4 hours ago
terible

ancientviking
4 hours ago
brioch?

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Lobscouse

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Scouse

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Stew

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago

@withey
LOL same

withey
4 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
i’m an ectomorph i could never get to blair probably not even with steroids

ancientviking
4 hours ago
does blair here raise chickens? i doubt it

ancientviking
4 hours ago
this seems like a better time than early sleep

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
and i remind you that you cannot use slurs on this channel

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago

@withey
Self rebutal – you most certainly will not get as jacked as Blair doing that, but it is better for most people psychologically and it is productive.

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
im simply bored

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
your attacks have amounted to nothing

ancientviking
4 hours ago
so nice goin for white movements

ancientviking
4 hours ago
no he is a paki

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
i’ve met tollah as well, he is swarthy nothing more

ancientviking
4 hours ago
and iin their pics

ancientviking
4 hours ago
and paki

ancientviking
4 hours ago
midget as well

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
Ayotolah i think he is called

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
who?

ancientviking
4 hours ago
dunno

ancientviking
4 hours ago
why he was in the pic i dunnop

0KT0BER
4 hours ago
*dwarven

ancientviking
4 hours ago
or that paki guy

0KT0BER
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
no dissing our warven kings

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
yes woodlander is short

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago

@withey
Focusing on your appearance like that is narcissistic. laying a driveway of 1000 1footx1footx2″ thick paving stones its a workout and you can look at what you’ve done at the end of the day

ancientviking
4 hours ago
like that woodlander guy? he is 5’0 a litteral dwarf

withey
4 hours ago
i’m parallel with steve laws shoulders

0KT0BER
4 hours ago
https://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/HJS-Israel-2048-%E2%80%93-A-Blueprint-Report-web-4.pdf

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
those fellas are 6’4

ancientviking
4 hours ago
doubt

withey
4 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
have a home gym

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
I dount after some of the people he is pictured with

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
It’s far more rewarding than the gym which just has you paying to move things around back to the start

withey
4 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
looking good and feeling great is the achievement

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Anything

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
that bike crash was a blessing in discuise

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Dig a ditch or something

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
i had a motobike accdent broke sevral bones and when i got better i got to the fitst ive ever been i was a fat bloob b4 that

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
you’re about the same height as Mark, and only a little taller than me

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Build something! The most rewarding exercise is when you can look back at the end of the day and see you’ve achieved something more than lifted a lump of iron only to put it back where you found it.

ancientviking
4 hours ago
5’10

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
he is a jew so id imagine so

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
how tall are you?

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
do you have issue with mike enoch?

ancientviking
4 hours ago
midgets

Obscure Truth
4 hours ago
Lol

ancientviking
4 hours ago
where mark is like 5’5 lol

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
As you get older you do find it harder to have that burst of strength to bench press a gearbox up onto an engine while lying under a car

withey
4 hours ago
we whites cannot live like indians, we are too geared to being in charge of our own destiny, we are all leaders, any difference is cause for conflict, we only cooperate when we agree

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
lake distric

ancientviking
4 hours ago
what a guy ….

ancientviking
4 hours ago
the supposed nuerologist that preyed on retarded women?

ancientviking
4 hours ago
wow

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
you really think that creep is innocent?

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
its like 10% dont

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Wait you guys don’t do that in your internal monologue? You actually say it?

@Ir0nW1LL
4 hours ago
You meet a better class of person that way

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
call the police who dealt with this lie and have them tell you

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
My uncle had a stroke and could no longer do that in silence.

Prison Ships
4 hours ago
AntiChrists; Unregenerate Queers; and c”rap” listeners deserve an insurmountable Alien invasion.

@Joesmith
4 hours ago

@withey
i got a council flat its nice being close to famaly i share a dog with him the dog wanted to go to his yestday so she draged me there lol

ancientviking
4 hours ago
he was not wearing a hazmat suit for no reason

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
M8? that shit was done with years ago, ofc he killed her

withey
4 hours ago

@Joesmith
same here

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
that’s a lie and you know it, JF is a good man, a hero of our race

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
i am a 10 min walk from my dad

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
Unless you are JF Gariepy and kill off your own wife

Sir Trancealot
4 hours ago
which then lead to MGTOW

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
you see your dad every day, but it’s only brief, you need your mother for affection and your father for leadership this is wholesome nuclear family, everyone plays a part, all roles are crucial

ancientviking
4 hours ago
do some partime farm work

ancientviking
4 hours ago
stop being lazy

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
*sued

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
They got sewed for plagiarising the kookaburra song

@RP
4 hours ago
Where do you guys stand on sperm donation? Should young, fit and healthy nationalists consider donating to healthy, attractive and intelligent European women even if they’re lesbians? I’d argue having healthy white babies is a net positive for us.

ancientviking
4 hours ago
what a shit show

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
vegemite sandwiches are disgusting. Marmite is better

ancientviking
4 hours ago
and gods help you if you go back on ethan ralphs again mark

Prison Ships
4 hours ago
If EuroPagan “gods” were believable they would have remained at minimum 30% more popular than they did.

@TheOldOneTwo
4 hours ago
A god is only as believable as the mystic who peddles him.

ancientviking
4 hours ago
what kind of message would that be?

ancientviking
4 hours ago
Only on weekends? so men should be more like blacks? .. just went out for a pack of smokes?

withey
4 hours ago
true dads worked mums gave affection

withey
4 hours ago
my cheeks are hurting that’s so funny

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
no

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
i have

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
lol

ancientviking
4 hours ago
not been years of that already

ancientviking
4 hours ago
sure to save the white people is film reviews

Prison Ships
4 hours ago

@james
Adams MCkenzie Peer pressure.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
I’d rather achieve something than spend it in the gym. Breaking up concrete and wheelbarrowing it into a big pile around the other side of the section is a good start

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
that’s insane to say. look at ancient rome, greeks, makedonians, celts, thracians, germans. even today everyone wants to be a successor of rome.

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
true Adam will win, but only because religion is fantasy and in part subversive, facts and reality always wins

ancientviking
4 hours ago
Duke even said we did nothing before christianity … the gall on that fooker

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago
especially when doing legs.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Have you not seen the tik tok pastors promoting LGBT stuff?

ancientviking
4 hours ago
Adam will wipe the floor with old christian idiot

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
That won’t work, they go about subverting any organisation of authority, even the church.

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago
an ethnoreligion will reappear. it’s inevitable.

Obscure Truth
4 hours ago
Right.

@SvenLongshanks
4 hours ago
great conversation tonight

ancientviking
4 hours ago
they shill for ‘god’ at every oppertunity

ancientviking
4 hours ago
nobody seems to care anymore

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
we have to thank Theodosius I for that. along with inserting a foreign universalist religion, he allowed the mahommedans to flourish centuries later ater the battle of Frigidus.

0KT0BER
4 hours ago
lol

James Adams MCkenzie
4 hours ago

@VesselofGrace
how the hell is Darwn a satanist

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
You sleep better that’s for sure

ancientviking
4 hours ago
why i never trusted him

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@Ihtultu
The jewish religion holds alot of sway in him

Prison Ships
4 hours ago
Darwin; Freud; Marx; Nietzsche are the most Amplified Satanists.

James Adams MCkenzie
4 hours ago
Before Christianity we had control over our spirituality that had deep ancestral roots, after it started getting controled by a foreign cult

Prison Ships
4 hours ago
Saint Martin Luther knew better.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Oh you don’t like trash everywhere and like things organised, you’re ADHD and autistic (AKA just simply a white man)

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
it would have to be cash in hand work, because every employer pays into a bank account

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Being white is a mental illness under the jewish defined DSM

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
Get a job an do this in free time, relying on money from poor whites with no hope but paying internet personalites is not exactly a plus

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
no parent would be proud of a aspd son lol

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
when i was a kid duslex and adhd was techanly specal needs but not relly specal needs

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
how can mark carry on without money to pay for his family and pay to run this organisation?

@Diogenes
4 hours ago
“Oh that’s all nonsense, it’s a racket for the …”

@Joesmith
5 hours ago

@withey
lol after u should check out a short aspd explaned by duck its so me lol

Callaghan
5 hours ago
FREE JOEL DAVIS

James Adams MCkenzie
5 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
5 hours ago
It’s the jewish driven dysgenic goycattle breeding program at play there Blair

withey
5 hours ago

@Joesmith
it sounds cool

ancientviking
5 hours ago

@withey
Easily doable without subscriptions

Reginald Collett
5 hours ago
the new supergirl actress is autralian

@Joesmith
5 hours ago
aspd means socalpath

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
others aren’t in it and don’t either understand it or don’t believe it, but it’s real, my soul is free, free from woke

@Joesmith
5 hours ago
i like my anti socal personalty disorder lable

@Philip.Kollberg
5 hours ago
Does the shack include Mark Collett stream?

ancientviking
5 hours ago

@withey
About yourselves, nobody else.

@Diogenes
5 hours ago
everyone is retarded and everyone hates each other – sounds like the baseline for today’s world

@Joesmith
5 hours ago
lol thats me i get big benfits for bpd and anti socal personalty disorder

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
i’ve seen it first hand, i’ve talked to other members, we’re all positive and enthusiastic

ancientviking
5 hours ago
its been years

ancientviking
5 hours ago
Keep telling yourself that

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
PA is getting better it’s always got better

ancientviking
5 hours ago
then why does it still get worse?

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
camping together, hiking together, is collectivism, we think the same we feel the same and we can cooperate, it’s all proven, and from that we build

ancientviking
5 hours ago

@withey
Pitching tents will instill fear in all foreigners?

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
but if you’re happy to just stay online, well god for you

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
showing what can be achieved is priceless

ancientviking
5 hours ago

@withey
Im sure going for a hike and then ponying up some hundreds of pounds for a quick camp session will cure our ills colour me with optimism

withey
5 hours ago
it wouldn’t be long after we are denied fuel that the state runs out, no running ambulances, fire engines nor police cars

withey
5 hours ago
america will probably drop an A bomb on every city in iran

@Diogenes
5 hours ago
dropped two of them please

withey
5 hours ago
a nuke is the only way for america to win

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
the demo only gives a glimpse about PA this gives more of the picture, the website is words and pictures, all of this is necessary for people before they attend the camp or the conference, before they become emersed in what Mark is creating

ancientviking
5 hours ago
but like i said

ancientviking
5 hours ago
if i believed in them i would

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
do you attend PA demo’s?

ancientviking
5 hours ago
none of this online shit does anything i think that is quite obvious now

ancientviking
5 hours ago
years of this and nothing changed

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
what’s your problem?

ancientviking
5 hours ago
if the downvote button was available? id hit that, but its not available, like a youtube channel

withey
5 hours ago
click

ancientviking
5 hours ago
its shit

ancientviking
5 hours ago
why

withey
5 hours ago
come on people 132 watching but only 22 likes….like the stream

withey
5 hours ago
fyi i liked the stream earlier

withey
5 hours ago
good evening all 14/88 28 wpwp wpww

ancientviking
5 hours ago
not like they are arabs or anything

ancientviking
5 hours ago
praising iran is the way to go am i right?

@noreplacement
5 hours ago
that happened here in England. Diesel was cheap, until it got popular

Prison Ships
5 hours ago
Militant BabyKillers and Sodomites are the NeoBolshevik vanguard.

Sir Trancealot
5 hours ago
evening all

ancientviking
5 hours ago
that was all nonsense

@noreplacement
5 hours ago
It was bad in Thatchers time Mark. Mortgages at 15% rising inflation. Yet few voted for the NF

ancientviking
5 hours ago
nobody froze in covid either

@SvenLongshanks
5 hours ago
1.48 here

@noreplacement
5 hours ago
Mark is right here. Always a % of boomers were nationalists. Same % in younger folk, not enough, yet.

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
lets opt for the road less traveled

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
path of least resistance?

Aryan Futurist Joker
5 hours ago
o/

ancientviking
5 hours ago
not playing into jews hands might be a good start

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
fight fire with fire is my mantra

@Mcb
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
Ideas man

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
support of the general public will grow as diversity expands

@noreplacement
5 hours ago
Hate to burst any bubbles, but I don’t see much evidence of non-boomers stepping up in any greater numbers than within the boomer cohort

ancientviking
5 hours ago
venerate hitler in countries that despise him should work wonders

ancientviking
5 hours ago
So more swastikas and getting arrested helps?

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
white kids were the bullies …my school in Central Wisconsin had very little diversity then

@LottaSense
5 hours ago
whadda you mean “White children”? You mean other kids, right?

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
but their treatment motivated me to hit the gym and i got super jacked so jokes on them

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
white children bullied me for being so godamn white

@LottaSense
5 hours ago
all my favorite friends that were boys when I was little were gingers lol

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
i never formed friendships as a child i was a ginger

@LottaSense
5 hours ago
american public schools do the same thing to White children. constantly mix them up when they go to the next grade so they cant stay with their friends.

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
that’s Diabolical

@SvenLongshanks
5 hours ago
they move prisoners around a lot as well, and you dont know what prison you will end up at when they bundle you into the van

@Mcb
6 hours ago
thanks Robert sorry I muted you

@SvenLongshanks
6 hours ago
Hi Chief

Chief Moody
6 hours ago
Evening troops

@robert1184
6 hours ago
Southport is lovely

@mcb

Vettekid1488
6 hours ago
traitors of the highest order is What they are

Vettekid1488
6 hours ago
2nd class status in your own homelands… despicable

Prison Ships
6 hours ago
No surprises. Our NeoBolshevik Oppressors murder us whenever they can get away with it.

@LottaSense
6 hours ago
“law” is subjective now. Not objective.

@Joesmith
6 hours ago
odysee keeps freezing

@Mcb
6 hours ago
I’ve got a bad feeling he won’t get bail

ancientviking
6 hours ago
i spose another heil hitler will do it, no trouble ever comes of it in commonwealth countries im sure

@vengeance
6 hours ago
o/

Vettekid1488
6 hours ago
hail mr. cotrell

DerCherusker
6 hours ago
Hail!

@Mcb
6 hours ago

@Daniel

Prison Ships
6 hours ago
OnlyQueers take requests on when or if to smile.

@Ihtultu
6 hours ago
Good evening everyone.

@Daniel
6 hours ago
You can’t win in seaside towns no matter what the actual demographics of the town are

@Mcb
6 hours ago
ok cheers

@Daniel
6 hours ago
Last time I was in Southport the actual residents were very white but full of Indians visiting

@SvenLongshanks
6 hours ago
hi serena

@Mcb
6 hours ago
BC

@SerenaJB
6 hours ago
Good evening.

@Mcb
6 hours ago
many nigs??

@Mcb
6 hours ago
Is Southport ok or a fcking hole??

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
23 hours ago
but he’d better off frowning when pictures are taken of him

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
23 hours ago
Why the new thumbnail for Blair – he looks like he is affected by mental retardation. The old thumbnail with him frowning was much better, he looked somewhat heroic. He doesn’t look good smiling in photo, he doesn’t have the right features for that. Although he often grins when talking and that’s ok

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