Graham Connolly: It’s easy, though, when it was you, because I know you.

 

Talk Tim. [mic check]

 

Tim Lutze: Check, check.

 

Graham Connolly: Do it again.

 

Tim Lutze: Check, check.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Yep. Perfect.

 

All right, we’re back for part two of the Offaly Offensive with Tim Lutz. We finished up, …

 

Tim Lutze: No, thanks for having me in your mum’s basement here. Yeah, it’s a pleasure.

 

Graham Connolly: That’s all right. [chuckling] We finished up talking about when you were doxed. That’s where we got to. And you were just getting to kind of how you let everything settle. You didn’t deal with it all straight away. You wanted to sort of give it space to breathe.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And then let’s talk about how you sort of came out again when you tried to deal with it then.

 

Tim Lutze: So we let some time pass and then we took it to VCAT*, which is sort of like a tribunal, like a legal tribunal, sort of avenue for businesses and stuff of that nature to take. And VCAT said to us that we had to basically settle it with Boxing Australia.

 

[* The Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal was formed by the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal Act 1998 in the state of Victoria, Australia. As part of the Victorian Justice system the tribunal sits ‘below’ the Magistrates Court in the court hierarchy. However the tribunal itself is not a court, not possessing any jurisdiction or powers beyond those conferred by statute. VCAT is less formal than a court and helps resolve disputes through mediations, compulsory conferences and formal hearings. Wikipedia]

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, they suggested it.

 

Tim Lutze: They suggested it.

 

Graham Connolly: If I think I remember that they were like:

 

“You can do this, but we would suggest or advise that you would try to sort it out between yourselves first.”

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. So we did go to sit down with the committee of Boxing Australia and put our case forward.

 

Graham Connolly: Boxing Australia or Boxing Victoria?

 

Tim Lutze: No, Boxing Australia. Boxing Victoria was there. David Pike was the president of Boxing Australia. He was there, not in person, but through video link.

 

And yeah, we just put our case forwards that we live in a liberal democracy and we’re entitled to our political opinions and that basically it has nothing to do with them. And their attitude was that because I’m registered with Boxing Victoria and I’m licenced by them, that I represent them and that they can’t be seen represented by someone with my opinions.

 

Graham Connolly: So you can only be a liberal, or a conservative, or a Labor voter, or you can be, … That’s all you can be. Yeah, you can be a communist!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: So the only thing you can’t be is a National Socialist. A socialist for your own people.

 

Tim Lutze: And they said that:

 

“They can’t associate with people with these views.”

 

And I said, …

 

Graham Connolly: They can associate with bikies now, can’t they?

 

Tim Lutze: Well, that was my, …

 

Graham Connolly: Organised crime?

 

Tim Lutze: I basically said to them that at the fights they literally parade and announce when key organised criminals are attending. They’ll stand up and they’ll announce, …

 

Graham Connolly: Like celebrities.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, they’ll thank you know, one of these trade unions is their main sponsor and they have been caught doing all sorts of illegal activities. There are gyms that associated with organised criminals. There are gyms that are associated with outlaw motorcycle clubs. And some of these organisations and some of these clubs and stuff, they have been convicted of trafficking drugs or women or whatever. But they draw the line at racism!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. To draw the line at loving your own people.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. So that was my argument. And basically they just said:

 

“Yeah, that’s how it is.”

 

You know, they tried to get me to, it doesn’t even matter, but like, yeah, that was it! They just said:

 

“For your political views, we’re not going to licence you!”

 

Graham Connolly: Not only not going to licence you, but strip you, … You were already licenced.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: So they stripped you of your licence.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, they wouldn’t let me register a gym or register a fighter or register myself if I wanted to fight.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, so it was that or basically they, … What if you had renounced your views and your connection to the NSN?

 

Tim Lutze: Well, I did kind of like, it was a long hearing and I did articulate myself a lot better than what I’m representing now because I’m trying to remember.

 

Graham Connolly: It’s a long time ago now.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it is. This is probably two years ago. And like I said, it was a long meeting. But we did go through, they asked me also:

 

“Are you a member of this organisation?”

 

I said:

 

“Yes!”

 

And we went through what the organisation was, what it represented. I did the whole, “it’s love for my own people. It’s not about hate for others”. I laid out the worldview for them. You know, I was an open book, I didn’t lie. I didn’t say I wasn’t an associate.

 

Graham Connolly: You didn’t go down this road, start lying about it?

 

Tim Lutze: No, I didn’t. No. And they were shocked! They all sat back in their chairs, …

 

Graham Connolly: Because they expected you to, because if you lied, maybe they would have been able to go:

 

“Okay, we can, …”

 

Basically, that’s denouncing everything that you believe in.

 

Tim Lutze: Yep.

 

[05:56]

 

Graham Connolly: You would never have went down this road in the first place if you were going to turn around then and denounce it.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that’s right.

 

Graham Connolly: It’s not your personality.

 

Tim Lutze: No, no. And, yeah, so we went through all the worldview. And then they said that:

 

“It’s a bad image for them.”

 

And I said:

 

“What about all the organised criminals and outlaw motorcycle clubs that you just associate yourselves with? You don’t seem to have a problem.”

 

Like there’s fighters that are well known for their ties to that criminal underbelly.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And:

 

“I don’t think it has anything to do with boxing personally.”

 

Graham Connolly: What was their answer to that?

 

Tim Lutze: Boxing is boxing! And it doesn’t matter if you’re the best fighter, if you want to prove you’re the best fighter, I don’t think it really matters where you come from. Get in the ring and prove it!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. So that’s the whole point about it!

 

Tim Lutze: I’m not saying that they should be not allowing these people, but they, …

 

Graham Connolly: Should be allowing you, though!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, exactly!

 

Graham Connolly: You’re not asking them to advocate for your belief system.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. What they were trying to do was come at it from a moral standpoint.

 

Graham Connolly: But they don’t have moral standpoint.

 

Tim Lutze: I was trying to point out to them:

 

“But it’s not a moral standpoint.”

 

Graham Connolly: No, it’s not.

 

Tim Lutze: It’s one of cowardice and intimidation!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, exactly! Which is the opposite of what boxing is all about.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, exactly!

 

Graham Connolly: And so how did they respond to your sort of pointing out their hypocrisy about organised crime being involved. Just silence?

 

Tim Lutze: They asked me who I was talking about and tried to get me to name names. Probably to put myself in a very awkward position.

 

Graham Connolly: Like they don’t already know.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, exactly! And I just said, …

 

Graham Connolly:

 

“You know exactly who I’m talking about!”

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah:

 

“I don’t need to tell you who.”

 

And they said:

 

“Oh, are you talking about this person?”

 

I said:

 

“I’m not talking about anyone! You either do have them and parade them or you don’t! You don’t need to ask me who it either is or it isn’t!”

 

And they didn’t deny it!

 

Graham Connolly: No, of course they didn’t deny it.

 

But they tried to put it back on you and deflect and all that sort of thing. So they didn’t have to deal with the truth!

 

Tim Lutze: I took it as, yeah, they tried to put me in danger.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, put you in danger.

 

Tim Lutze: So that’s not who I am, though.

 

Graham Connolly: No. All right. But you still had your gym for a while after that?

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, yeah, I had the gym until Australia Day 2024.

 

Graham Connolly: And actually let me go back a small bit. As part of your, I suppose, let’s call it an appeal or whatever it was, you had members of your gym write letters and stuff?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. I had countless, like as many letters as I needed from former members from, …

 

Graham Connolly: Even non-Whites?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Different backgrounds.

 

Graham Connolly: To say that they felt welcome and safe and comfortable in your gym?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. I had all the references and that. Like:

 

“I’ve never had a complaint made against me. Never been warned for anything. I’ve always conducted myself respectfully in the corner. I haven’t yelled at a lot of these judges or anything like that before.”

 

Graham Connolly: And a lot of these members met me and met Jimbo and met Tom, met all of us and never had any issues with any of us. There was never any conflict. There was never any fighting.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Like we had a big Christmas party, at Legacy 2022 or 3. And where some of the fighters and myself, we fought each other. And the EAM [European Australian Movement] came down and family and friends came down as a big event, and it was actually quite funny. Some former champions even an Aboriginal former champion there actually met Tom. And yeah, that was actually quite funny to see. Everyone was being respectful.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: There’s a time and place for everything. And boxing’ boxing!

 

Graham Connolly: Exactly! Sport is sport.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that’s right. We weren’t at the fights throwing Romans and wearing black block to the fights with balaclavas.

 

Graham Connolly: Like it was a separate thing.

 

Tim Lutze: That’s right! And that’s how it should.

 

Graham Connolly: Actually explain, what’s EAM?

 

Tim Lutze: EAM is a community building and a training initiative of White Australia.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep. What does it stand for?

 

Tim Lutze: European Australian Movement.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep. So they advocate for and build community for European Australians.

 

[10:12]

 

Tim Lutze: Building a community. That’s right.

 

Graham Connolly: For heritage Australians, I would consider it, really. White Australians.

 

Tim Lutze: That’s right.

 

Graham Connolly: European Australians.

 

Tim Lutze: Yep. All sorts of communities.

 

Graham Connolly: They don’t engage in the activism, that’s NSN? European Australia Movement, …

 

Tim Lutze: There’s Crossover. Not everyone joins to be an activist.

 

Graham Connolly: No.

 

Tim Lutze: Most people do.

 

Graham Connolly: But EAM is focused on the community building, the barbecues.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, the barbecues.

 

Graham Connolly: The women and the children, the families.

 

Tim Lutze: That’s right.

 

Graham Connolly: And boxing, the training, the running.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, and Legacy was even a step removed from that.

 

Graham Connolly: It was! Yeah, it wasn’t even that. Yeah, exactly!

 

Tim Lutze: But they made it that! Yeah, they made it a White only gym!

 

Graham Connolly: So in reality, right, if they hadn’t taken away your licence, if they hadn’t taken away your coaching licence, if they hadn’t taken away your gyms accreditation or whatever you want to call it, none of these fighters would have left your gym because they could have continued to compete. They didn’t have a problem until they couldn’t compete under you as a coach.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. I don’t know, maybe some of them would have, maybe they, …

 

Graham Connolly: Maybe someone would, but they didn’t until then.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. You’ll never know.

 

Graham Connolly: No, you never know. But until you lost your coaching licence, they were still there.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. They were well aware who Tom was and everything like that. Every fighter there knew! Yeah, well, you know, except for my, the friend I grew up with who was the police officer.

 

Graham Connolly: The jujitsu guy was he aware?

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, he was. Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: I don’t want to give too much information.

 

Graham Connolly: Okay, yeah, fair enough.

 

So you losing your licence then had a knock on effect of these guys who were top quality boxers under you as their coach who were aspiring to be Olympians.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: National champions. This kind of quality fighter. They wanted to pursue their boxing career.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And like, very few people get engaged in politics the way we do.

 

Graham Connolly: Very few people.

 

Tim Lutze: They were there to box. And yeah, we like talking and debating and all that sort of stuff. But they were there for boxing, as most people go to a boxing gym for.

 

Graham Connolly: But the reality is, …

 

Tim Lutze: The accusation I was there with young boxers radicalising them, that’s completely untrue.

 

Graham Connolly: Completely untrue! What were you doing? You weren’t radicalising non-Whites to be White supremacists! [chuckling] You know what I mean? Not at all! So it was a separate thing.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, like it was Crossover, like everything.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Insane!

 

So where did it go from there?

 

Tim Lutze: So as the membership sort of faded out in a couple months after the dox, it was just about two years of EAM at Legacy. And Legacy had just morphed into a White power boxing gym.

 

Graham Connolly: Something it never was before.

 

Tim Lutze: No. But I was very happy for it that it did turn into that.

 

Graham Connolly: It was awesome, wasn’t it?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it was. Would I have liked to spend a couple more years in the boxing scene? Yeah, sure, of course.

 

Graham Connolly: You even contemplated going to league, didn’t you?

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, don’t want to say too much about that. Yeah, just morphed into Legacy boxing, and there was a fundraiser started by I think Jimbo actually took the initiative to start it and raised a lot of money. We were able to keep the gym open for a couple years.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: Until they basically kicked us out of the building because of all the, …

 

Graham Connolly: That’s another thing. So they tried everything to get you kicked out of the building.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, there were protests. There were hundreds of people come down and there were horses, riot horses and police and helicopters, and we did a White powerlifting competition while there was a huge protest outside.

 

Graham Connolly: Was it a White “powerlifting” competition or was it a “White” powerlifting competition? [chuckling] That was the whole point of the flyer, wasn’t it? [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: It was! And it sounded really good in the news. A White powerlifting competition.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. White Powerlifting Competition!

 

Tim Lutze: So many good times in the gym. And there was a couple nights that all the boys stayed over there and we did a powerlifting competition there and a fight, …

 

Graham Connolly: So when we did the powerlifting competition, there was a massive Left-wing protest!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Police on the streets. Street barricaded!

 

Tim Lutze: A national event. So all the States came down and it was like a three day event.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

[15:20]

 

Tim Lutze: We did the seminar and all that. So we were there the whole weekend and taking shifts, watching the gate.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: On the Friday when we’re having, … Well, some of the States came down early. We went out for dinner. There was a little bit of vandalism that went on, but you know like, it wasn’t too bad.

 

Graham Connolly: They got your neighbour’s building, didn’t they?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And we cleaned it up, and that’s what National Socialists do!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, they threw paint bombs at the Turkish neighbours factory and, …

 

Graham Connolly: We cleaned it up.

 

Tim Lutze: We cleaned it up for him. Did some minor damage to the gate. Which we fixed. But yeah, we watched the gate for the rest of the weekend for that. And it was just funny.

 

Graham Connolly: We had helicopters over, …

 

Tim Lutze: Helicopters, news helicopters, police helicopters!

 

Graham Connolly: While we were cooking a barbecue!

 

Tim Lutze: You know, they designated the that part of Sunshine*. Which “designated” means, it’s basically what they do when there’s a huge event or they think there’s going to be a lot of trouble. They’ll designate an area which basically means they can search anyone they want, they can remove masks, they can move people on from the designated area, which we were worried about them doing that to friendlies.

 

But no, it was awesome! They blocked off both streets to Legacy. Our buses were allowed in and out to go pick up supporters and that.

 

[* Sunshine is a suburb in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 12 km (7.5 mi) west of Melbourne’s Central Business District, located within the City of Brimbank local government area. Sunshine recorded a population of 9, 445 at the 2021 census. Sunshine, initially a town just outside Melbourne, is today a residential suburb with a mix of period and post-War homes, with a town centre that is an important retail centre in Melbourne’s west. It is also one of Melbourne’s principal places of employment outside the CBD with many industrial companies situated in the area, and is an important public transport hub with both V/Line and Metro services at Sunshine railway station and its adjacent major bus interchange.]

 

Graham Connolly: And these same people, they tried to contact council to get you kicked out?

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, yeah, there was a lot of council meetings. There was a lot of harassment.

 

Graham Connolly: Council admitted that, …

 

Tim Lutze: Multiple fire ispections to get the fire hydrants checked, there was multiple building inspections, …

 

Graham Connolly: But everything was above board.

 

Tim Lutze: Had to fix this light globe in the exit sign. Everything they could! And my business partner just made sure that all the T’s were across and the I’s were dotted and there was just nothing they could do until our lease ran out. You know, when our lease ran out, the real estate had just had enough and didn’t want to renew the lease.

 

Graham Connolly: But didn’t you have like, in your lease, some sort of a contract that basically allowed you to renew your lease, like on an ongoing basis?

 

Tim Lutze: That was the argument. But I’m pretty sure at the end of the day, if they don’t, there’s, …

 

Graham Connolly: Nothing you can do about it.

 

Tim Lutze: If they don’t want to renew your lease, they don’t have to. Yeah, there probably is something like you get first preference or whatever.

 

Graham Connolly: When they failed at council, they went to the real estate agent.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Or the owner or the landlord or whatever you want to call it, and put pressure on him and eventually they succeeded, I guess.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Well, it just means that we just need to pull resources and get our own gyms.

 

Graham Connolly: We need to buy our own!

 

Tim Lutze: Our own buildings that we can’t be kicked out of graham Connolly: Or we need people that can’t be pressured. We need landlords that can’t be pressured.

 

Tim Lutze: You can get the permits, you can keep the gym up to compliance.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And there’s always they can do about it. There’s nothing, absolutely nothing! If you own it, there’s nothing you can do about it. I own my house, you know like if you own it, there’s absolutely nothing they can do.

 

Graham Connolly: There’s nothing to do about it. There was one time when we did a bait and switch in your gym and we baited the Left into protesting at your gym while we had two people there cooking a barbecue, and we went into the city. Do you remember? Because I can’t remember. What do you remember what our banner was for that one or what which protest that was?

 

Tim Lutze: Voice equals anti-White.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, that was the banner. Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: So what The Voice was, it was a Aboriginal Voice to Parliament so that basically they have their own racial voice in Parliament. They’d be the only people to have that, or since the destruction of the White Australia Policy.

 

But yeah, they wanted their own ethnic voice to Parliament and the traitors in the government wanted to do that. But in order to do that, to put it to a vote.

 

But before the rally was organised, the Left had organised a “drive Nazis out of Sunshine”, a rally against Legacy. And they were going to do another protest there. And so we left a few guys there for security and we secretly went into the city for the NO rally.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And basically all the communists and the Left where all motivated to go down to Legacy and Sunshine where there were like horses and police. Another thing was there was barely any police in the city.

 

But yeah, so we went and infiltrated the NO rally. Which was all about the NO rally was centreed around:

 

“We’re not racist. We just don’t think that any race should have a voice. And we’re pro-multicultural!”

 

And all that. And we turned up out in plain clothes. Halfway through the rally we switched, we switched into the black. We pulled out the banner and we just said:

 

“Voice equals anti-White. That’s why you should vote No!”

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: I was pepper sprayed off the steps. It was that nice photo of me getting pepper sprayed.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Iconic I would call it.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Pepper spray doesn’t really affect me. It’s actually quite soothing!

 

[20:45]

 

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, you blocked it like a boxer.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, head movement.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, head movement that went from the pepper spray!

 

Tim Lutze: So we just made a racial issue, which is what it was.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, exactly! Yeah, it was.

 

Tim Lutze: And then I’ve just been helping Tom and Jacob achieve each goal as they want to achieve it, and doing whatever I can.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: To help them.

 

Graham Connolly: And being constantly punished along the way!

 

Tim Lutze: A couple months after, bank account shut, having the gym vandalised and having my cars vandalised and my home firebombed.

 

Graham Connolly: You had your home firebombed?

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. It’s very rare to experience what I’ve experienced. You know, I don’t want to scare people off, …

 

Graham Connolly: But nobody else has! Nobody else has got what you’ve got. And I think it is because of your community profile, like being a boxing coach. Having your own gym, having your own brand.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. The gym was public knowledge of the address and stuff.

 

Graham Connolly: They targeted your missus. They put posters up. These people are scumbags! The put posters of your missus up!

 

Tim Lutze: They found out where my kids do sports and got them kicked out of their sports. This stuff doesn’t really happen as much anymore.

 

Graham Connolly: No. Because they didn’t break you! They expect to break people with this stuff.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: They didn’t break you. They didn’t break your wife. Didn’t break your children.

 

Tim Lutze: So the car bombing motivated me more than anything. You know, if I had to say there were like, big events. There was Covid, you know, …

 

Graham Connolly: Give a brief overview of how the police handled the car bombing.

 

Tim Lutze: So the big things were Covid where you can see the government corruption and the lies!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: Straight through them! And the next big thing was the car bombing. And Blair Cottrell really took the words out of my mouth in a video or when he was on the Joel and Blair stream after the event, when he said that he would have thought in a country like Australia, no matter what your political views are, that if your home was a target of terrorism or firebombing, that the police would at least pretend!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, they would pretend to act and pretend to investigate.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep. But did they?

 

Tim Lutze: When I was woken up by it and I went outside and my missus got on the phone to the fire department, told him the car had been firebombed or whatever. And the fire department came, and then the police came. And a couple of the firebombs bounced off my other car and had landed on my lawn. And they were still just sitting there burning. And so I said to the police:

 

“What do you want to do with these?”

 

And they just said:

 

“Just throw them in the bin. Just get rid of them!”

 

That’s what they said:

 

“Just get rid of them!”

 

Graham Connolly: They didn’t want the evidence!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And the car had been put out and the fire department were packing up. I expected, I don’t know, I just watch movies. That’s what I was going by. But I expected like, the fire department to start doing some investigating or take photos. I didn’t even talk to them. They like, packed up their stuff and they just drove off!

 

Graham Connolly: And left fire bombs on your lawn.

 

Tim Lutze: So then the these two police came over. My neighbours were all out. My neighbours like, they’re aware of me and they’re actually real supportive and they were out and ready to go straight away.

 

Graham Connolly: But they couldn’t like Boxing Victoria, they can separate, … The neighbour from the political, whatever your political personality might be or whatever your political profile might be, you’re a good neighbour.

 

Tim Lutze: Police walk over to me in uniforms. They said:

 

“What happened?”

 

And I said:

 

“I think car was firebombed.”

 

And first thing was like:

 

“Is it insured?”

 

And I said:

 

“No.”

 

They kind of sighed:

 

“Oh, fuck! So it’s like, not an insurance job?”

 

And then they got my name and everything and they said:

 

“Do I know why someone would want to do this?”

 

And I said:

 

“Well I’m a bit of a political dissident. I used to own a boxing gym and I’m known as a White nationalist and stuff.”

 

And so they’re writing it all down and they went:

 

“All right.”

 

And they went back to their car. And I just cleaned it up and trying to calm down or whatever and talking to the neighbours. And then they just sat in the car for ages. I don’t know how long it was, but like straight away, a couple of the boys rocked up and Jacob Hersant.

 

And we went inside, and then the police came back over and I think that’s when I asked him:

 

“Like, what do you want to do with all this?”

 

Like, no one touched it. And they’re just like:

 

“Get rid of it.”

 

And then they’re like:

 

“We’re gonna wait here, and then someone’s gonna come and take a statement or whatever.”

 

And then Jacob’s like:

 

“Yeah, give him a statement.”

 

And then I was like:

 

“Okay.”

 

So then another cop came and he took it. You know, I think he would have been a detective or something. I don’t know.

 

But, yeah, he took a statement. But actually the car was in my partner’s name, so they actually wanted her to get the statement. And it was basically for the purpose of if she wanted to do a “victim of crime” or whatever and get money or something, that was the purpose of it, basically. Yeah, he just said:

 

“All right, that’s it. I’ll see you later.”

 

[26:43]

 

 

So the next day, Tom was there and bunch of the community were there, because that’s what happens when you’re attacked. And then the police rang me and said:

 

“Can we come and talk to you?”

 

And Tom was there. And he said:

 

“Yeah, tell him to come.”

 

I said:

 

“Yeah, no worries.”

 

So they came, and then they rang me and said:

 

“We’re not coming inside.”

 

And I said:

 

“Why not?”

 

And they said:

 

“Oh, because we could see Thomas Sewell’s there, his cars out there, and there’s other people there.”

 

Graham Connolly: I was there as well.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah:

 

“It’s not safe for us.”

 

So I was like:

 

“Yeah.”

 

And I said:

 

“What do you mean?”

 

I said:

 

“There’s children in here.”

 

He’s like:

 

“No! We have protocols. We’re not coming in.”

 

And he goes:

 

“You need to come to the station.”

 

I said:

 

“Why? There’s too many police there.”

 

Graham Connolly: If this was any other community, …

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Who was getting support from their community.

 

Tim Lutze: If this was the Asian community.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. And they had their neighbours over, basically. Their supportive neighbours over to support them in this time.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Would the police have not come inside?

 

Tim Lutze: Absolutely not!

 

Graham Connolly: I mean, would like for any other community they would have come inside.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that was one of the things I said when I was on the phone to them. So he said:

 

“Well, we’re not coming in.”

 

I said:

 

“Well, that’s fine.”

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And basically, I didn’t hear from him for a few months. And then after maybe a year, they just said that:

 

“They’ve done their investigation. They haven’t found anything.”

 

Graham Connolly: Of course, they didn’t.

 

Tim Lutze: And I said:

 

“How are you going to find anything? You had no photos, fingerprints. Like what are you going to find?”

 

Graham Connolly: The truth is these people aren’t hard to find.

 

Tim Lutze: No. No! So we’ve done our investigations, we know what’s what. But this has been an ongoing thing and, …

 

Graham Connolly: Violence from the communists is basically State backed.

 

Tim Lutze: Yep. And I think that’s where we come to the March for Australia.

 

Graham Connolly: The March for Australia.

 

Tim Lutze: And from the start of the day to the end of the day it was just violence, violent disorder, afray.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, from the whole day.

 

Graham Connolly: The whole day! There’s a video of you guys, …

 

Tim Lutze: And none of it, … And all of it coming from the communists.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, from the Left, communists, turning up with gloves on, ready to fight.

 

Tim Lutze: Plastic padded gloves! Masks!

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: We weren’t wearing masks.

 

Graham Connolly: There’s a video that is uncut from the from you guys planning how you’re gonna get into the march, into Fed Square. Right? You guys met Tom, gave a little plan:

 

“We’re going to come up here, we’re going to cross the bridge, we’re going to get into Fed Square.”

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And so that video shows that you guys planned to get to Fed Square, join the march.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And then you can see in this video as you guys come up the stairs as you try to cross the bridge, these Antifa guys, communist guys, whatever you want to call them, with their gloves on, ready to fight. They thought we’re going to have a good time. They even put a post out online to say where you guys were and to:

 

“Meet us on the bridge and to go and have fun!”

 

Yeah, basically.

 

So these people wanted to stand in your path. You have every right to walk, …

 

Tim Lutze: You’ve got motive, you’ve got orders, you’ve got everything you need for violent disorder. But here’s the thing.

 

Graham Connolly: So just one more thing I want to say before you go on further. These are the same people who have been rallying with the Palestinians every week for a hundred weeks or something or every month or what was it? They’re basically been going for like 100 weeks straight now. Not one time have NSN turned up to disrupt their march. Not once!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: The first time NSN turn up to a march for the Australia March, these people turn up to disrupt, to stand in their path. Like as if they have every right to block you guys from attending a protest.

 

Tim Lutze: No, they turn up with the intention of using violence.

 

Graham Connolly: They turn up with the intention of, … Well, they want to use violence to prevent you guys crossing the bridge to join the protest!

 

[30:52]

 

 

Tim Lutze: So the March for Australia. Well, I was involved in a lot of the organising with that, with other organisers. You know, just logistically with the routes and the stage and the timings and the speakers and all this stuff. And part of the organisation was police liaison, someone that was talking in contact with the police and all that. And so the police liaison approached us where we were stepping off from. And he notified the police where we would be coming in and exactly what time. Some of our children were at the march. Some of the ladies and some of the children that were there, they arrived from that end as well, across the bridge. And they said that:

 

“Yeah, there were a lot of police on the bridge.”

 

And that sort of thing. And she said about 10 minutes before we got there and she said:

 

“There were horses and stuff blocking the other end on Swanson street from the state Library where the communists were meeting.”

 

And she said that:

 

“All the police on the bridge, about 5 minutes, 10 minutes before we got there, all came away from the bridge and onto the other side.”

 

Do that information what you will.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep. So they cleared the bridge where, …

 

Tim Lutze: So that was right about when we notified the police liaison on what time we’d be coming, was about five or ten minutes before we actually emerged from the bridge.

 

Graham Connolly: So you gotta assume that these guys hoped that you guys, …

 

Tim Lutze: We notified them where and what time, …

 

Graham Connolly: You could be stopped with violence!

 

Tim Lutze: And, which is rare for our organisation. You know, to be that cooperative. But we gave them the benefit of the doubt.

 

Graham Connolly: And you’d also have to assume that the reason there’s been no charges led for anybody for that first fight on the bridge is because you guys liaised, you guys were open and honest about where you were going, your movements, and that they don’t arrest Antifa. They don’t arrest communists!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: So if they were to arrest anybody for that particular fight, it would have to be the other side. So they just., … That’s been ignored now! Completely ignored!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. We met with our supporters and our members just near that bridge and we just told everyone:

 

“All right, we’re going to go in a group in a blob and we’re going to head towards the rally. We’ve got intelligence that tells us there are Antifa in the area but we will probably be fine. You know, just stick, basically, behind the guys with the black jackets.”

 

 

 

Graham Connolly: You guys put out a video a few days earlier. Sorry to cut in, but you guys put out a video a few days earlier stating a policy of, … Because you knew that you were going to face this kind of violence on that, and you put out a policy to teach your members what to do in this sort of a scenario. And because normally we try to avoid violence, we try to avoid confrontation, we try to avoid that kind of thing.

 

But in this scenario, you guys had a had a policy that if somebody gets within one meter of you double push!

 

Tim Lutze: And two weeks before we did a big national march.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, 150 people in the city.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And basically a homeless man just ran up and assaulted Tom.

 

Graham Connolly: Yes.

 

Tim Lutze: All right. And there were incidents where people were getting right up into the ranks and were spitting and swearing and stuff. And so we sort of said that now there’s a policy. There’s a one meter policy. You tell them to get back. If they get within one meter. You get space!

 

Graham Connolly: Double push!

 

Tim Lutze: You get space!

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, you do not let them within one meter of you.

 

Graham Connolly: And those videos exist.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: So anybody wants to see, those videos exist.

 

Tim Lutze: I don’t know if they’ll post it publicly.

 

Graham Connolly: Okay. Yeah, but maybe we should at some point post them publicly?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah that was the instructions. Don’t let people within one meter because, …

 

Graham Connolly: Well, it’s dangerous now!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it is dangerous.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. One in the neck and it’s all over!

 

Tim Lutze: You see elderly people just get swung on, like just for having Australian T-shirts or whatever.

 

And so, yeah, that was the rule. That’s why at the start of the clip, you can see us saying:

 

“One meter! One meter!”

 

Graham Connolly: And it was this policy of pushing as well. To push them back! It was not to strike. It was to push back. And that’s because we’ll be arrested immediately if we engage in violence.

 

[35:23]

 

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, if they’re in the danger zone, push them. So Tom explains this to everyone.

 

All right, we’re going in a blob. So we emerge from the bridge, they’re on the far-left side of the bridge. I’m leading them, not the march, but I’m leading the blob at this point. And I see the right footpath that we’re on the right side. It’s clear. We’ll go straight, we’ll go on the march. They’re on the Left.

 

Graham Connolly: Ignore them.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, I am always more focused on us doing our thing. I don’t really care what they ever do. We always encounter you know, but, …

 

Graham Connolly: We always say we are not anti-Antifa!

 

Tim Lutze: No, exactly.

 

Graham Connolly: We don’t exist to be anti-them. They’re anti-us!

 

 

Tim Lutze: I know the Euro bros love that saying, but I don’t like that saying. So we’re on the right side of the footpath and we’re moving. And then they just beeline it for us. And they’re on the left side and they charge across the bridge as if they were running up some sort of hill or camp or whatever. And this is at the very beginning of the morning before anything violence is kicked off. And they charge across the bridge. I couldn’t see a police in sight. So I tell the lads next to me:

 

“1 meter! 1 meter! 1 meter!”

 

I’d say it a few times. And then basically as soon as they’re within one meter, their hands are up and they start swinging!

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And they hit fresh air. And then they hit the pavement.

 

Graham Connolly: They didn’t have a good time!

 

Tim Lutze: No. They were like headbutting our fists and our shoes! It was really weird!

 

Graham Connolly: Crazy sort of violence from them. [chuckling] Just weird violence from Antifa.

 

Tim Lutze: Really [chuckling] weird!

 

Graham Connolly: They weren’t expecting to hurt themselves.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Yes.

 

Graham Connolly: By bouncing off the NSN!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that’s right. So, yeah, they had a crack and, …

 

Graham Connolly: And suddenly then the police, …

 

Tim Lutze: They got up and they got back in front of us and they’re like:

 

“Oh no, maybe not!”

 

And they just walked out of the way.

 

Graham Connolly: I didn’t see that in the video. Sort of came back at that point.

 

Tim Lutze: There’s only like five too.

 

Graham Connolly: I think the police realised that the violence that the communists were not going to be able to stop you guys.

 

Tim Lutze: The cops were there and they were just like:

 

“Boy, that escalated quickly!”

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. I think they hoped that you were going to get stopped by these, … They couldn’t stop you, not legally, but these communists could. If the cops were over here looking the other way, …

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And these communists could stop you, then so be it! They failed to stop you guys!

 

Tim Lutze: The other thing I noticed in the video was that when these people went down and they were incapacitated, they were left alone.

 

Graham Connolly: They were left alone. Yes.

 

Tim Lutze: No one was kicking their unconscious bodies on the floor. Like I doubt we should be so lucky if the roles are reversed.

 

Graham Connolly: Absolutely! They would stand on your head!

 

Tim Lutze: But did that stop them for the rest of the day? No! So what’s the reason that we don’t incapacitate them properly?

 

Graham Connolly: Exactly! Yeah. You know what the reason is because the rules are different for us than they are for them.

 

Tim Lutze: My family, they care about me. They don’t necessarily agree with everything. But they said to me:

 

“If the police won’t stop them and the courts won’t prosecute them and all this stuff like what are you going to do? How can you stop them if the police won’t do anything?”

 

And I said the only thing that keeps them in check is the level of violence that we are capable of graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: Like that is why we train. That’s why we train! That’s why we do push ups. That’s why we punch each other in the park. The only thing that holds them back, not attacking us on site is the level of violence that we are capable of, …

 

Graham Connolly: The thing about it is what’s really embarrassing for them is that they can get destroyed by a bunch of guys that are holding back.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: That’s what’s really embarrassing for them.

 

Tim Lutze: Exactly!

 

Graham Connolly: Like this isn’t Green street hooligans. This isn’t like, you guys aren’t standing on people. You’re not trying to hospitalise cunts! You were trying to get past them. You’re trying to move them aside, basically. Like the NSN used, in a funny way, the minimum amount of violence required to back them off!

 

Tim Lutze: There was probably 50 people in black and we are only enough numbers were used to, …

 

Graham Connolly: You can see in the videos most of the guys are just standing watching. They are not doing anything!

 

Tim Lutze: And that’s something that we’ve practiced to hold the ranks and stuff.

 

Graham Connolly: Discipline! Yeah.

 

[36:36]

 

 

Tim Lutze: Not so that one person’s attacked and the whole rank just falls apart.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, exactly! Yeah, it was disciplined.

 

Tim Lutze: We’re not a bunch of hooligans that go around bashing people! Like there was a lot of self control in that.

 

Graham Connolly: A lot of self control.

 

Tim Lutze: That people, like the authorities should respect.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, but they don’t!

 

Tim Lutze: They don’t. But they should respect the amount of violence we are capable of, and the amount of violence we only use, …

 

Graham Connolly: The minimum amount.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: The minimum amount to be allowed to walk where you guys are entitled to walk!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Which is along the street and to join this rally that was planned, largely by NSN!

 

Tim Lutze: And yeah, as soon as that happened. My daughter was in the crowd and she said as soon as people from that end of the rally seen the fight happened and seen us just walk over them like they’re nothing, the whispers went through the crowd like a wave. And they’re just like:

 

“The NSN are here! The NSN are here!”

 

And everyone just turned and we looked at them and we’re walking in and everyone’s high fiving!

 

Graham Connolly: There’s a video of that too. You guys arrive and have been high fived by all the crowd and everybody, …

 

Tim Lutze: People coming up, getting photos with Sewell!

 

Graham Connolly: And it certainly felt like a moment, a shift in, like this optics thing that the media have tried to sell that:

 

“Everybody hates us! That we are evil. That we are this, that and the other!”

 

And then that video dispels all of that.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: You guys kick your way across the bridge. Punch your way across the bridge and then get high fived by the crowd when you arrive! And the similar thing happened in Sydney without the violence, but they got cheered on arrival. Boys got cheered on arrival.

 

Tim Lutze: So, the exact thing that Tom, myself and eight other people are accused of, as it stands now, is exactly what happened at the very beginning of the day from the Left.

 

Graham Connolly: And have any of these Leftists been charged? Do we know?

 

Tim Lutze: No, they will never be charged.

 

Graham Connolly: They will never be charged!

 

Tim Lutze: And you can highlight all the contradictions you want, but obviously, …

 

Graham Connolly: It won’t make any difference.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: Like I said, my family home, we were attacked in the middle of the night. And where does it escalate from there?

 

Graham Connolly: Exactly!

 

Tim Lutze: Where does it escalate from terrorism? Where does it escalate from violent disorder with padded gloves and masks?

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: Are they waiting for a nationalist to die?

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And then, even then, …

 

Graham Connolly: In fact, these very same people have been seen in a video that came out today attacking cars on the September 13th rally that we didn’t actually go to, that one!

 

Tim Lutze: So just to recap the 31st March for Australia. The level of violence that we’re accused of doing, all the other accusations against us, the exact thing happened at the beginning of the day! If the police had dealt with it then and there. If the police had kept the peace and done their job, then and there, then maybe no other violence would happen throughout the day. But that wasn’t the case.

 

Graham Connolly: No, that wasn’t the case.

 

Tim Lutze: That wasn’t the last time that they attacked someone. Anyone that would stray down a laneway or anywhere away from the march was attacked on sight!

 

Graham Connolly: Didn’t matter if they were NSN or not!

 

Tim Lutze: It didn’t matter. They were elderly men attacked. And there’s a video of one that had his ribs cracked and he’s in the group and they ripped his jumper off him and he had an Australian T-shirt. They ripped that off him. You know, he looked close to 60 years old. He’s bleeding.

 

Graham Connolly: They’re cowards! And you don’t see NSN going around bashing communists.

 

Tim Lutze: No.

 

Graham Connolly: And like communist grannies and granddads and, …

 

Tim Lutze: So the next thing thing that happened was Avi [Yemini] * was there and he was going through the crowd trying to find anyone he can and say:

 

“What do you think about Nazis being here? What do you think about, … Is this a racist march?”

 

You know, provoking! And so Tom went up to him and told him to leave, and his security got violent. They were eventually moved on and he hid in a little area with the other reporters and he surrounded himself with women. And so and then he’d continue to provoke the guys from the side.

 

So I went over to deal with it. And he’s asking me questions and so I said:

 

“What’s the question? All right? We’re here for a march to stop immigration. You either support that or you don’t support it. It’s not an anti-Nazi march. It’s not an anti-racist march. It’s a stop immigration march! If you’re not here to stop immigration, leave!”

 

[* Avraham Shalom Yemini is an Australian-Israeli far-Right provocateur and commentator. Since 2020 he has worked as the Australian correspondent for Rebel News, a Canadian jewish far-Right website. Wikipedia]

 

[44:15]

 

 

Graham Connolly: I think it’s funny about, … You can just tell the whole story about Avi, but the last time we encountered Avi was at another one of our protests.

 

Tim Lutze: The anti-immigration rally.

 

Graham Connolly: Yes, exactly! It was Living Space for Whites, was it?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Two years before.

 

Graham Connolly: Living Space for Whites was our, … Oh, yeah, stopping immigration. And as we left, Avi came over and he interviewed Tom.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: At one point in that interview, Avi gloated, … Now, we were grown. We might have had 20 guys at the one before that, and this one, we had maybe 30 guys, but he was gloating that, or the lie that he was trying to get across is that:

 

“Why have you got the same amount of guys you had last, now?”

 

We didn’t have the same amount of guys. We had more, but he was trying because it was from 22 to, say, 30 or 28. It’s not a huge amount of growth. So his whole entire little dig in that interview was:

 

“Why aren’t you growing? How come you’re not growing?”

 

Tim Lutze: That rally was smashed and broken up an hour and a half early, too.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah:

 

“Why are you the same 25 guys? Why are you the same number? Why aren’t you growing? Why aren’t you growing?”

 

Tim Lutze: He was obsessed with the young lads wearing shorts. But that was really weird!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, he was exactly.

 

Tim Lutze: He brought that up a couple times.

 

Graham Connolly: What’s he thinking now? He just seen 150 of us march through the centre of Melbourne. He just seen 150 of us march to the centre of Melbourne three weeks ago at our nationals with Tom at the front of it. 150 men with our drums. And then three weeks later March for Australia, where Tom gets to speak on the steps of Parliament. Keynote speaker. Thousands upon thousands of cheering patriots!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: How’s Avi feel now about our 25 people?

 

Tim Lutze: He’ll cope and he’ll see, …

 

Graham Connolly: He’ll cope. But he knows!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. I just told him what the march was about. And then they were like:

 

“Oh, there’s women around here.”

 

And I said:

 

“Well, don’t provoke.”

 

Graham Connolly: Don’t provoke.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah don’t provoke.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep. But that’s what he does. That’s his job. He’s a provocateur.

 

Tim Lutze: And he provoked at the Christian rally that, like Joel Davis and some of the young guys attended the other day, and he managed to get them booted. And that’s the last time we go in plain clothes to an event and support somebody.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Graham Connolly: And Patterson cucked to Avi!

 

Tim Lutze: Mate, Nick Patterson is a piece of work to say the least!

 

Graham Connolly: Isn’t he?

 

Tim Lutze: And yeah, if Nick Patterson didn’t, …

 

Graham Connolly: Didn’t he speak to us at the Workers Light [sp], one of the workers spoke to us like, …

 

Tim Lutze: Talked about him training and his son training.

 

Graham Connolly: And then cucked to Avi like that. The way he bent over for Avi like that.

 

Tim Lutze: And then the guy whose main brand is fighting the corrupt police calls the police over to eject guys standing there quietly. Yeah he’s just a real piece of work.

 

Graham Connolly: Real piece of work, man! No honour. There’s no honour in that kind of behaviour.

 

Tim Lutze: And yeah, he’s not welcome at any of our rallies. He’ll be ejected if he comes. And if he has an issue about that, we can box if he wants.

 

Graham Connolly: You’d like to spar with him?

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, yeah, we can box. We can do a box of charity.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, nice. Can he choose the charity? Probably go to some, …

 

Tim Lutze: I’ll go to some “Vionists”. Yeah, it’ll go to some Zionists, …

 

Graham Connolly: Some jews for refugees.

 

Tim Lutze: But yeah, if we win the money, it’ll go to White Australia.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. He’ll never agree!

 

Tim Lutze: No, he won’t agree. He’s too soft.

 

But yeah, so Avi was the next big thing and that was dealt with and he actually didn’t go on the march. He stayed in that little corner the whole time and tried to find whoever he could to say that they weren’t racist. I think he found some Africans and, …

 

Graham Connolly: Now he spent weeks trying to reframe the day. Unsuccessfully, I would say. He’s tried to reframe to support anything he had that day.

 

Tim Lutze: But he can’t reframe it!

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, Thomas’s speech.

 

Graham Connolly: Exactly! Anyone who wants to just look up Thomas’s speech. So watch the video of the boys arriving at the event. Watch the fight of them having to kick their way through Antifa. Punch their way through Antifa and then make their way across to the high fives and cheers of the crowd.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. The crowd were working behind the banner, behind the black block.

 

[48:44]

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And that wasn’t, …

 

Graham Connolly: Tell the story about how the police tried to stop you guys getting, or how they tried to prevent you guys getting to Parliament steps that day.

 

Tim Lutze: I wouldn’t say they prevented us from getting there, but on our way to Parliament there were a few blockades by Leftists and they would come up and reach for the banner, and they were swiftly dealt with by “crowd controllers”, let’s say. And yeah, there were probably a few instances of that. There was an instance where they came down one of the streets and just started swinging again. They would attack anyone carrying an Australian flag indiscriminately. And I was standing on the steps while the PA was being set up and the stage was being set up and I was trying to keep people off the steps, just because I was sort of blocking the speakers and stuff, the sound.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And an old man came up to me and he, his nose was split across and he had black eyes and I could almost see his nostrils through the top of his nose here. And he walks up to me and he was shaken and said that he sort of walked off to the side for a smoke or something and he was just set upon, and they just beat him into the ground. And I just said to him:

 

“Look, mate, you’re in shock, sit down.”

 

And then there was a lady nearby that got him water. And the cop sort of came up and like asked me:

 

“Is he all right?”

 

And I said:

 

“Like, why do you think he didn’t come to you? Yeah, why did he come to the guy in the black jacket?”

 

You know, basically like:

 

“Piss off!”

 

Graham Connolly: Well, here’s the other thing. Like we said earlier.

 

Tim Lutze: And this was some, …

 

Graham Connolly: Like we said earlier. You think anyone was arrested for that?

 

Tim Lutze: No!

 

Graham Connolly: And you think you can split a man’s nose wide open like that in Melbourne and not be seen?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And so, …

 

Graham Connolly: So why does this other side never get arrested?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, exactly!

 

Graham Connolly: So is it State sanctioned? Is it State sanctioned violence?

 

Tim Lutze: They seem to get arrested when they interrupt like when they go really hard at like the Arms Exhibition [Arms Fair in Melbourne on September 11, 2024], whatever. It’s kind of like government stuff.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: But yeah, if they’re going against patriots, they have free rein. If they’re cutting down statues, it’s not going to be investigated. If they’re defacing memorials, firebombing nationalists, like vandalizing cars.

 

Graham Connolly: Vandalizing Cook Cottage.*

 

[* February 25, 2025-The Captain Cook statue and cottage in Fitzroy Gardens have been vandalised again, less than two weeks after the statue was reinstalled following a $13,000 repair job. Police are investigating after vandals targeted the historical cottage built by Captain James Cook’s father and a statue in a Melbourne park. It is believed three offenders spray-painted the 18th century cottage with what police described as “anti-Cook comments” and tried to cut off the head of the statue in Fitzroy Gardens at about 2 AM on Tuesday. The cottage was built by Captain Cook’s father in 1755. It was disassembled in 1935, with each brick individually numbered, packed into barrels and re-built in the gardens, according to tourism body Visit Victoria.]

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. You know, like they’re not going to be investigated. They know who to attack and not to attack.

 

Graham Connolly: They know. There’s no way the police don’t know who these people are.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Come on!

 

Tim Lutze: They even know not to attack the jews. Like they didn’t do any of the synagogues. That was all organised criminals being paid by, foreign interference. You know, so, I don’t know who it was! [chuckling]

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, [chuckling] I don’t know exactly who it was, [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: So that was the March for Australia.

 

At the end we were trying to go towards the cars [their private vehicles], which were actually near Camp Sovereignty*. We were getting a lot of reports about the camp throughout the day. You know, there was the some Aboriginal elder that made a video who is one of the organisers at the camp. And he did say that from around 10 o’ clock in the morning they were chasing people and attacking them.

 

[*Camp Sovereignty is an Aboriginal protest encampment located in the park at Kings Domain, Melbourne. It was established as part of the “Black GST” political movement, which advocates for ending Genocide, acknowledging Sovereignty, and securing Treaties with abos. The camp has been active in two main iterations: One in March 2006 and another starting in January 2024.]

 

Graham Connolly: That the communists had set up there.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And that he was trying to tell them not to.

 

Graham Connolly: It was a staging point for attacks on anybody carrying Australian flags.

 

Tim Lutze: I actually respect him for making that video.

 

Graham Connolly: I do.a As well. It was honest.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, you don’t see that very often from that sort of side.

 

Graham Connolly: No, you don’t.

 

Tim Lutze: He just seemed like a just a genuine person.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, he did. Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, I kind of hate him for that. I put the video on my Telegram. If you can find it, go through it.

 

Graham Connolly: No, I’ve seen it.

 

Tim Lutze: It’s worth a watch.

 

Graham Connolly: It is worth a watch.

 

Tim Lutze: He said that violence started at 10 AM and went on throughout the day.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Graham Connolly: They were running down the hill. They were assaulting people with Australian flags. They were bashing people with Australian flags. They were vandalizing cars!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Some guys got beaten to a bloody pulp. Two guys, black and blue and bleeding. And some young kids got chased.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: They managed to get away. Two young kids, probably teenagers. So we’re trying to head that way to sort of leave. We weren’t really too focused on, … Because there was a lot of violence going on.

 

So there were all sorts of attacks all over that area.

 

[53:21]

 

 

Graham Connolly: So you guys would have been trying to stay together.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, stay together and we’re trying to get out.

 

But then they wouldn’t let us go that way. They wouldn’t allow us to go that way. Even though we came in that way, they wouldn’t let us go that way. And I like the truth is at the time we didn’t really know why.

 

So then they forced us into Flinders Street Station. They kettled us, they’d broken up, a lot of rally had started leaving, breaking up, but the people that were trying to go south were being forced into the state, into Flinders Street Station.

 

And while we’re in there were Palestinian people wearing scarves, ribbons in their hair, elderly, walking through the crowd.

 

Graham Connolly: Getting bashed, I’m sure!

 

Tim Lutze: No, no, walking through the crowd. They were getting heckled and that. But like none of them were getting bashed.

 

Graham Connolly: Of course not.

 

Tim Lutze: They weren’t getting jumped on sight.

 

Graham Connolly: Of course not.

 

Tim Lutze: Every police knows what happened that day, knows the level of violence that was happening and where it was coming from.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And that’s why, maybe we will be, but that’s why we haven’t been charged for anything else that happened that day.

 

Graham Connolly: Except for the one thing that they think that they can get you guys on and not the other side.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And so we were forced to go around the other way. And then we head back towards our cars and you know, because of all the stuff happening in the courts, I don’t really want to talk about the incident at Camp Sovereignty, but just the level of violence that was coming out of that camp that day, was insane!

 

And the fact that it’s not being investigated, the fact that the very first violent disorder on the bridge isn’t being investigated. You know, and if it is being investigated, they’re trying to see who, which one of us hit someone. You know, I guarantee you, it’s which one of the men we defended ourselves against and how we defended ourselves.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, exactly!

 

Tim Lutze: And if we used a flag pole, or a boot or, …

 

Graham Connolly: I haven’t heard of a single person being arrested or charged on the Left, on the Palestinian, on the communist side, who attacked, …

 

Tim Lutze: Despite people being hospitalised.

 

Graham Connolly: Despite people being hospitalised. Yeah, but people on our side, despite nobody being hospitalised, despite using minimum amount of force to achieve our goals that day which we were entitled to do, which was to hold the anti-immigration rally. Entitled to do it.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Despite using the minimum amount of force, no serious injuries, and [chuckling] embarrassing the other side with the minimum amount of force. But in spite of that, we’ve had many arrests.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Ten arrests so far. Probably more.

 

Graham Connolly: With more on the way.

 

Tim Lutze: That’s basically March for Australia. But as March for Australia organically materialised and we were given a seat at the table, there were a lot of people that tried to insert themselves at the start.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And insert and change the narrative.

 

Graham Connolly: Containment Right! It’s a good word for it. We used to call them grifters. The Containment Right is actually a really good description of what we’re dealing with, …

 

Tim Lutze: But like a lot of people tried to put their two cents in. A lot of TikTokers. You know, a lot of brown TikTokers.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, all sorts of things. They try to put their two cents in. And that was shut down at the start!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: No, this is a stop Immigration rally. No punching Right! Don’t punch to anyone to the right of you. No foreign flags, no Aboriginal flags, this, that, and the other.

 

And so some of these Avi Yemeni and Nick Patterson types and Monica Smit*.

 

[* Monica Smit (born 1984) is an Australian anti-vaccine and anti-lockdown protester. She is the founder of Reignite Democracy Australia, an anti-lockdown and Covid-19 conspiracy group. Smit gained prominence during the Covid-19 pandemic as a critic of the Victorian Government’s response. She alternated between supporting and not supporting the Aug 31, 2025 March for Australia, until finally being for it.]

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: Some of these grifters.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep. Monica Smit tried about 40 different angles. She flip-flopped like a fish out of water! She is a weasel!

 

Tim Lutze: She weaseled every angle she could until she deleted her social media for four weeks.

 

Graham Connolly: Did she do that?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. So she’s on a detox right now! That’s why she’s not putting videos.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Because she lost every bit of respect anybody ever had for her!

 

Tim Lutze: She’s embarrassed!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, embarrassed. Everything she tried failed!

 

Tim Lutze: All these grifters tried to hijack the rally and turn it into something it wasn’t. You know, and good on Auspill* and the organisers for like keeping it for what it was meant to be.

 

[* Hugo Lennon – who goes by the online persona “Auspill” is the grandson of one of Australia’s richest property developers (Tony Lennon, the former chairman of Perth-based Peet Limited, worth approximately $800 million), and was one of the co-ordinators of the anti-immigration protests across Australia called March for Australia held on Aug 31, 2025. As a 21-year-old social media influencer and activist he has gained prominence for his vocal opposition to immigration, particularly what he describes as “mass immigration,” which he links to Australia’s housing crisis, skills shortages, and cultural assimilation issues.]

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: A march for Australia. Australian flags, don’t punch Right.

 

Graham Connolly: The point was made that the Left never punch Left. They never attacked their own radicals. Never!

 

Tim Lutze: No. I’ve never heard Lidia Thorpe or the Greens ever denounce Antifa, fire bombings or anything.

 

Graham Connolly: Nope. They never arrest their own, they never attack their own. They never prosecute their own!

 

Tim Lutze: In fact we have an Afghani MP, is he an MP? I don’t know, Senator, whatever, who just condoned Charlie’s Kirk’s murder.

 

[58:21]

 

 

Graham Connolly: Yep. That’s what we’re dealing with, … That’s the difference between the two sides.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. So they all tried to hijack this rally, turn into something it wasn’t. And when they didn’t get their way, they told everyone not to go! They told everyone not to go. They told everyone:

 

“If you go, you’ll be called racist. You’ll be associated with the NSN.”

 

Graham Connolly: The media tried for two weeks to convince people not to go because this rally was being organised by Nazis! This rally has been organised by the NSN.

 

As soon as the rally happened and was a roaring success, they tried then to change the narrative that the NSN “hijacked” the rally! For two weeks they tried to convince you that the NSN organised the rally. And then once it was a massive success, they tried to say the NSN hijacked it! So which was it?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. So the Griff Right, the Containment Right, when they couldn’t get their way, they said:

 

“Don’t go, don’t go!”

 

And then the media picked it up and said:

 

“There’s this racist rally planned!”

 

Then all the Labour and Liberal government and opposition were all like:

 

“This is not the Australian way. We don’t March for Australia. That’s racist! We don’t carry Aussie flags. That’s racist!”

 

Whatever. I don’t even know what the angle was. But yeah, they said that it was a “Nazi rally” and all this. And despite all of that, August 31st was probably the biggest nationalist rally in Melbourne since the destruction of the White Australian Policy, you know, at least for a couple of decades.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And you could not see, from the steps of Parliament, you could not see the end of the rally at Burke street! Unfortunately, probably a lot of people didn’t hear what Tom said because, …

 

Graham Connolly: But it’s okay. The videos exist. It’s 2025 I mean, so!

 

Tim Lutze: Even we didn’t anticipate that you could have filled Marvel Stadium probably, you would have easily filled Marvel Stadium, which is like, I don’t know what, 50, 70,000?

 

Graham Connolly: It was huge. I didn’t expect it to be so big.

 

Tim Lutze: And it was just a sea of blue flags! You know, like true blue!

 

Graham Connolly: And the contrast that day was obvious.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Everyone was White!

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, 100%!

 

Graham Connolly: Everyone was White. So whether people want to acknowledge the fact that we are, …

 

Tim Lutze: In my lifetime, I’ve never seen the city that White.

 

Graham Connolly: It’s a racial issue. What we’re dealing with is a racial issue.

 

Tim Lutze: Like Anzac Day and stuff’s very White.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: But it’s never been, I’ve never seen it how it was, like that must have been how it was to live in the 60s or something. I don’t know.

 

Yeah, so it was just a huge success in Melbourne. I’ll let anyone talk about Sydney that was there, but yeah, Melbourne was insane!

 

And so then all the people that failed to hijack the rally and failed to grift off it, they’re all trying to do their own thing now. They’re trying to “clout chase” and to steal the momentum. And so they did one on the 13th of September. A lot of the people that were, …

 

Graham Connolly: Opposed.

 

Tim Lutze: Some of the people involved tried to split our rally. They tried to split it. They tried to have two stages, they tried to have two PA systems, all this.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And it was basically like:

 

“No!”

 

You know, Tom put his hand on my shoulder and says:

 

“Do you feel in charge?”

 

Graham Connolly: Do you feel in charge?

 

Tim Lutze: So, yeah, yeah. So they did one on the 13th and it was nowhere near the size of the 31st.

 

Graham Connolly: Nowhere near it! It was a flop.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: It was a complete flop!

 

Tim Lutze: And there were probably good people there because Australians will get behind any Australian rally.

 

Graham Connolly: There would have been good people there. But we’re at the tippy tippy end of the spear now, where there’s no pretend anymore! Everyone knows what’s going on.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. People aren’t scared.

 

Graham Connolly: They aren’t afraid anymore.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. You cannot be afraid to be called “racist” because you want your own country!

 

Graham Connolly: You can go extinct while being called racist or you can, …

 

 

Tim Lutze: I know a lot of people still are scared and still don’t consider themselves “racist”, but the truth is, if you don’t want 10 million Chinese people here or 10 million Indian people here, you’re racist!

 

[1:02:45]

 

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, you’re racist. Well, the definition today is if you love your own tribe, your own people, your own heritage, your own blood, you’re a racist! That’s what it means. Tribal is the word really. That’s the word. “Racist” replaces the word “tribal”, which is a positive word.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: It’s considered a positive. Positive to be tribal. Like if you put yourself into the grug brain. I’m a grug brain, caveman. Right. You put yourself in the grug brain you’re like, think of the cavemen in the first villages and there’s a warring tribe coming from over the mountain and you get word that this tribe is ransacking every village that it comes across. You’re not going to defend your village? You’re not going to defend your people against this approaching warring tribe?

 

Of course you are! It’s the most natural thing in the world since the dawn of man!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And so you’re a racist.

 

Tim Lutze: They’re not pillaging and stuff. It’s a soft, …

 

Graham Connolly: It’s the worst type of war because people can’t see it.

 

Tim Lutze: It’s a psychological one, it’s frustrating and it just feels like I was born in the wrong time. Like I just want something to attack.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, just something to defend or something to attack.

 

Graham Connolly: Right. Fight us in the open. It’s like you say, it’s not a fight in the open.

 

Tim Lutze: It’s a you guys want to rush us on a bridge? Good! Sweet!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: Give it a good crack. Hey, all respect to you! All I can say is give it a crack. But like we grew up hypothetically in Minecraft if the roles are reversed, don’t complain.

 

Graham Connolly: Don’t complain. No.

 

Tim Lutze: We grew up on the chin.

 

Graham Connolly: We grew up playing games like Modern Warfare and stuff like that. But in reality, this is modern warfare. It’s a psychological war. It’s a slow genocide. It’s a, …

 

Tim Lutze: Before I could be humble and learn to win, I had to go into the boxing gym and had this small little half sized man jab my nose apart to be humble, so, …

 

Graham Connolly: And then once you go over that now you’ve decided to take on an even bigger fight!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Where we’re getting jabbed in the mouth and we’re getting jabbed in the nose and we’re like children in this game. Because we’re just starting to breed out now. We’re just starting to grow. Starting to attract more good people who’ve just been waiting for people like Tom to come along and for a group like ours to come along. To represent them.

 

Tim Lutze: But to go back to what was saying, the grifters started this new rally and they did their thing where they tried to attach so many issues through it to attract so many people.

 

So it was like the anti-digital ID, freedom, lower immigration, but not racist, Zionist, Australia, multicultural rally.

 

Graham Connolly: Keep everyone happy rally! [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: Pretty sure that was the name of it. Pretty sure, word for word.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, [chuckling] something like that!

 

Tim Lutze: It was insane! And they got up and they were talking about everything!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: There was no point to the rally! Like I was listening to the live streams. They were talking about the smut in the children’s school and they were talking about digital IDs and just so much information.

 

Graham Connolly: And it was just another repeat of the Covid stuff!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: During Covid there was like 250,000 people in the streets and nothing came of it!

 

Tim Lutze: Here’s our key issues! And it’s a page.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. And nothing ever comes to that shit!

 

Tim Lutze: No, it doesn’t. No.

 

 

Graham Connolly: 20 men in the street. 20 men dressed in black holding the banner that said “Destroy Paedo Freaks”, had more of an impact than 250,000 people on the streets during Covid every week! They were there every week and nothing came of it!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

 

Graham Connolly: Destroy Paedo Freaks! 20 men dressed in black!

 

Tim Lutze: Pick your issue. Smash the message on the table! And let the public take over.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, exactly! That’s it!

 

Tim Lutze: And so they did this rally. They were called racists. The communists rocked up, did the exact same things. And the police promised to protect Camp Sovereignty this time. And now they’re in force. And despite police apparently being present at Camp Sovereignty, Noticer News has reported and shown videos of people descending the hill and attacking people carrying Australian flags.

 

Graham Connolly: Yes.

 

Tim Lutze: With video evidence, kicking cars.

 

Graham Connolly: So doing the exact same thing.

 

Tim Lutze: The exact same thing. Violent disorder. A fray. Discharging a missile. All the good things that we like to be dealt with by the courts. Will anything be done about it?

 

Graham Connolly: It’s not funny that they didn’t need a new staging point for these violent attacks?

 

Tim Lutze: No.

 

Graham Connolly: They could just do it again from the same point. Interesting, isn’t it?

 

[1:07:48]

 

 

Tim Lutze: So the rally was just underwhelming. They had no protection, they had no one there to like to secure their safety. And so the media of the day said that:

 

“Oh, you can’t just protest, this is not a free country. You should have to get permission to protest. You know, how dare they, …”

 

Graham Connolly: Which is the case in some of the other states.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it is.

 

Graham Connolly: But Victoria is actually so Left-wing that it’s the most protest friendly state in Australia really, isn’t it? Because of how Left-wing it is.

 

Tim Lutze: Communists here are so volatile and that, so I don’t think they could enforce it. I don’t think they could even enforce if they wanted. They’ve been doing 100 weeks straight of protests and, …

 

Graham Connolly: Did we go to [word unclear] protests?

 

Tim Lutze: I didn’t really care about their issues.

 

Graham Connolly: Nobody gives a shit!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, no one gives a shit!

 

Graham Connolly: Focus on our own thing and building.

 

Tim Lutze: So yeah, I got home from the protest. My missus is very pregnant. She was like two weeks overdue.

 

Graham Connolly: We haven’t even got to that!

 

Tim Lutze: Nah. So a couple days after the protest she gave birth, …

 

Graham Connolly: To a giant baby!

 

Tim Lutze: To a massive baby! 10.44 pounds or 4.7 kg. And he came out, hands up, chins down!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Ready to go.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. A proper Saxon he was. And then, …

 

Graham Connolly: Because I think his generation is going to be the “strong men make good times” again. I just have a feeling.

 

Tim Lutze: He just has an angry face. He does one emotion and he just looks angry.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: He knows what needs to be done.

 

Graham Connolly: He knows it needs to be done.

 

So there’s all the other boys that have been, … Jimbo had a kid recently as well. And he came out the womb looking the very same way! Like ready to go!

 

Tim Lutze: He just turned one years old.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. So you know the whole saying like:

 

“Strong men make good times, good times make weak men, weak men make hard times.”

 

Tim Lutze: That’s right.

 

Graham Connolly: We are in the hard times where hard times is beginning to make strong men again. There’s always remnants left in each generation, and I think we’re the remnants of the strong man that’s left over. And our children will be the generation then of mostly strong men, I think.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. I like, I expect that my sons and daughters are going to have a big task ahead of them. I don’t think this is something that’s going to be solved very quickly.

 

Graham Connolly: Very much so, yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, I think that a lot of people just want their kids to be happy and want their kids to enjoy life. And I think that’s the problem, is that just chasing happiness all the time.

 

Graham Connolly: Chasing happiness. To be fair to Juden Peterstein, he did say one good thing that I always thought was, he said:

 

“Life is not about the pursuit of happiness, but the pursuit of meaning.”

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And meaning brings happiness. So if you pursue meaning and find meaning in your life, you will have happiness.

 

Tim Lutze: I’m sure you can find good quotes from everyone.

 

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Graham Connolly: Nah, he’s got a lot! He’s got a lot! In fairness to that guy, he’s got a lot of good stuff. You need to, if you’re going to be a good grifter, you got to have 90% good, and then the last 10% is how you steer people to the wrong direction.

 

Tim Lutze: A lot of people say good things, but aren’t necessarily good faith, but they say good things.

 

Graham Connolly: He’s not good faith, but he says some good things.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah so a couple days after my missus gave birth to our fourth.

 

Graham Connolly: You want to say his name?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, Saxon!

 

Graham Connolly: What’s his middle name?

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, no, [chuckling] I don’t want to go that far.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: Don’t want to dox, … [chuckling] He might want to something when he’s like, in business or something when he’s older. I don’t want to do that.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, but I think hopefully we’ll have made enough progress by then that he can have a business without so much strife.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, so it was a couple days after the rally, and then I was off running errands and yeah, the police knocked on the door. There were six of them, and they were looking for me in regards to the Camp Sovereignty incident. And my missus had given birth probably less than 12 hours before that. And she was holding him and she just said:

 

“Please, not today. Just don’t.”

 

And they were cordial and they said:

 

“Yeah, all right, fair enough. Just tell them to come in and it’ll be fine. Like, just come in. We’re not gonna come in the house or anything like that.”

 

So then they rang her like an hour later and just were a bit more firm and said that:

 

“If he doesn’t come in, we’ll give his picture to the media.”

 

Graham Connolly: You were running errands or something?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, something. And so they said they’ll give my picture to the media and all that. So then I was like:

 

“All right.”

 

So, yeah, just went in, got charged, got bailed.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And then, yeah, can’t talk to any of the people that were charged and can’t go into certain areas and all this sort of stuff.

 

So, yeah, all over again, back through the courts.

 

[1:12:54]

 

 

Graham Connolly: Not to go back so far, but we kind of skipped over that. The shrine. You got basically banned from the Shrine.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, there was an incident where they were gonna stop the last call at the Shrine of Remembrance, which is a shrine to our ancestors, Anzacs that fought in all Australia’s conflicts. And they do every Sunday what’s called a Last Call, where they play the bugle. And they were going to stop that because they didn’t have enough funding, even though they put millions, billions of dollars into all these other stupid initiatives.

 

Graham Connolly: Can’t afford a guy blowing into a bugle.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, exactly! But the public were outraged, and they ended up getting it overturned. So I had said to some of the guys, like publicly messaged him and stuff. You know, it wasn’t an op or anything.

 

And I said to some of the guys, and this court case is still ongoing, but it’s so trivial that I’ll talk about it. I said to some of the guys:

 

“I’ve actually never gone to the Last Call, so let’s go and pay our respects.”

 

And they were doing in some special dedication to the animals that had been in the armed forces and stuff.

 

So that’s kind of cool. You know, we’re National Socialists, we love environmentalism and animals so let’s go down. And I just said:

 

“Anyone that wants to come, Chuck the EAM [European Australian Movement] shirt on, the community shirt, and wear some like neat clothes. How we normally go to Remembrance Day in Anzac Day every year. And let’s go. Just listen to the last call.”

 

So we rocked up and we’re walking in, no masks, no NSN jackets or any of that stuff. Just neat casual with our EAM shirts.

 

And then we go there and there must have been 100 police! 100 police there on just a Sunday afternoon. And the place is pretty empty. And so as we’re going up to the stairs to the Shrine, they approached us. They said that:

 

“We were in breach of the Shrine Act and that we couldn’t assemble. We couldn’t assemble there and that we had to leave.”

 

And we were trying to get clear instructions from him as to what we did wrong or why we were being moved on.

 

Graham Connolly: There’s video of this as well.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. While we were being moved on and, …

 

Graham Connolly: They basically didn’t know!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And then he was just talking in circles and said that:

 

“You can’t assemble here!”

 

He kept saying, “assemble”. So then Dean Lee, the CEO of the Shrine, came out and said that we were in breach of the Shrine Act and that we’re not allowed to attend. So we walked off. And so Jimbo and I were talking as we’re leaving and I said:

 

“Well, everyone’s gone. We can’t assemble here, but maybe we can go as individuals? Maybe we can go back and we’ll try and we’ll talk to the police and see if we can go in individually and not cause trouble.”

 

Just me and him. Everyone had left. Gone! Everyone was gone.

 

So Jimbo and I went back, we approached the police, we said:

 

“Can we please go on to the Shrine? Can we please just pay our respects. And watch the Last Post?”

 

And they stood in front of us for like 30 seconds and then something came over the walkie talkie and then they just arrested us. So they didn’t even speak to us. They just arrested us! And took us to the cells. We’re in the cells for most of the night, and we had to go before a judge.

 

Graham Connolly: So the police had to deny you bail in order for you to have to see a judge? Normally the police can just bail you.

 

Tim Lutze: No. So apparently, according to the Shrine Act, even though it’s only two people penalty units, which is a speeding fine.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You have to go before a judge.

 

Graham Connolly: Crazy!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it’s insane! The maximum penalty for breaching the Shrine Act is $400. So it’s actually more of an offence to drive an unregistered car around.

 

Graham Connolly: And you have bail conditions on this?

 

Tim Lutze: The bail conditions, are that I’m not allowed to go to the Shrine of Remembrance.

 

Graham Connolly: That’s it!

 

Tim Lutze: And yeah, basically it.

 

Graham Connolly: So you’re not allowed to pay your respects to your ancestors?

 

Tim Lutze: No. So on Anzac Day, my family, they always go down to the Shrine, and I had to stand in the street while they paid their respects and listened to the bugle from the street. And we’d never politicised the Shrine. We’d never interrupted an event.

 

Graham Connolly: No.

 

Tim Lutze: To us, a very sacred building. For us, it’s very important to us.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, to honour the fallen and the people that made the ultimate sacrifice and the warriors.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: Because we are fighters! So our organisation builds fighters.

 

Graham Connolly: And these qre the men we respect the most.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, exactly!

 

So the Shrine is probably one of the most important buildings to us as an organisation. And we’ve attended every Remembrance Day and every Remembrance Day since our organisation was established. Since I’ve joined, I’ve attended everyone.

 

[1:18:12]

 

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And despite all the crap, despite all the Welcome to Country and that stuff, up until that point where I was arrested, we’d never caused a scene at the Shrine. We walked through it after Anzac Day, Remembrance Day. Sorry, you go for a walk through the Shrine. We do that.

 

Graham Connolly: They did watch us closely, though.

 

Tim Lutze: Police always follow us.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Surround us even.

 

Tim Lutze: Surround us. They cause a scene.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, reporters report on it. They say:

 

“The EAM or the NSN were at the Shrine and they walked through it and they didn’t cause a disturbance, but police were monitoring them and no offences occurred.”

 

And they do all that sort of bullshit as if we shouldn’t be allowed to go there or something.

 

And so we always made an effort not to interrupt the people that were running the ceremonies, even if we disagreed with them. Even if we disagreed with them Welcoming to Country or them thanking the traditional landowners or whatever it is. You know, we decided there shouldn’t be scenes caused at the Shrine. But they felt differently. Victoria police felt differently. Victoria police thought they needed to cause a scene at the Shrine.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: They needed to arrest people for attending the Shrine!

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: They know, well aware that we do not disrespect it. They know well aware that we do not interrupt events, even when there’s the likes of Dan, Andrews is there giving speeches, you know, an absolute, like, he’s absolute scum! He’s a traitor! He’s not from us, but from the people of Melbourne, he’ll never be able to show his face in public.

 

Graham Connolly: No.

 

Tim Lutze: He will never be able to walk through anywhere in Melbourne. That’s how much that man is hated!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. He’s hated by normies.

 

Tim Lutze: By normies. And, …

 

Graham Connolly: And despised!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, he’s absolutely despised!

 

Graham Connolly: And so is Jacinta Allan. Despised!

 

Tim Lutze: They try to float the idea of building him a statue, and it’s caused so much trouble. Despite all that, up until the point where Jimbo and I were arrested and they caused the scene, there’s never been anything happened there. You know, obviously since that time, there has been interruptions at the Shrine. You know, they wanted to cause a scene, so let’s cause a scene.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: You want to make it political! You want to shit on our ancestors in the one place where we can pay our respects to them.

 

Graham Connolly: We’re going to bring it out in the open now.

 

Tim Lutze: You want to deny us the right to pay our respects to them? Okay, fine. You want to cause a scene? Let’s have a scene!

 

Graham Connolly: You want to do it to us in this veiled, underhanded way? We’re going to bring it to the front like we always do. We’re gonna slam the message on the table, like we always do!

 

Tim Lutze: That’s right.

 

Graham Connolly: And you’re gonna have to fucking deal with it!

 

Tim Lutze: We’re doing 150 man marches through Melbourne.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, soon we’re doing 300 man marches in black through Melbourne. And then 600, and then a thousand.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And then we’ll tell you what we’re doing, when we’re doing it, where we can be and where we can’t be.

 

Graham Connolly: Exactly!

 

Tim Lutze: You know what I mean? And they know this.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: That’s why you can have 47 charges for violent assault, home invasions, whatever, and get bail. But Tom’s sitting in a jail cell?

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know what I mean? It’s crazy! Victoria is well known for its bail laws being dogshit!

 

Graham Connolly: Dogshit! 5,000 home invasions in Victoria last year! From these imports. They’re all imports! Imported Africans with machetes!

 

 

Tim Lutze: We’ve pages and pages of, …

 

Graham Connolly: To ban machetes!

 

Tim Lutze: Like the garden tools.

 

Graham Connolly: Farmers have had machetes since machetes have existed. Now they’re not allowed to have machetes in Victoria.

Tim Lutze: It’s crazy!

 

Graham Connolly: But Tom has been held under remand.

 

Tim Lutze: Tom, he’s not getting out, he’s not getting bail. I hope he does.

 

Graham Connolly: I hope he does.

 

Tim Lutze: I hope he does. But he’ll have to appeal it to a very high court, like Supreme Court or something.

 

Graham Connolly: It’s going to cost.

 

Tim Lutze: It’s going to cost.

 

Graham Connolly: You know, it’s going to cost big money. But yeah, that’s what we’re dealing with, isn’t it? We haven’t even told, … We could have had part three of this. We haven’t talked about Adelaide.

 

[1:22:22]

 

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, Adelaide was crazy! You know real quickly like we went there for our Nationals to celebrate Australia Day [Sun, Jan 26, 2025]. No protests, no rally, just celebrate Australia Day. No masks, Australian flags, no NSN flags, Aussie flags. And to get, what was it, 16 people?

 

 

Graham Connolly: Seventeen in the end, but 16 on the day.

 

Tim Lutze: Confinement for the whole weekend.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know and I know tore my bicep off the bone the day before!

 

But you know, but that was insane! And people charged with “loitering”.

 

Graham Connolly: It seems actually so long ago now. That was the start of this year. This year has been insane! Adelaide, then Nationals out at out in Ballan*. And then August 31st. What a year!

 

[* Ballan is a small town (pop 3, 300) about 80 km (50 mi) north of Melbourne. During the Victorian Gold Rush, it became an important staging point for coaches travelling to the Ballarat goldfields.]

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, the doco [NSN promo video documentary] came out. We got another doco coming from the last Nationals, and this one is going to make that doco I look like child’s play!

 

 

Graham Connolly: And if you haven’t seen that documentary go to White Australia.org and it’s on the homepage. Just go watch it. It’s a 35 minute documentary, something like that and it is good!

 

Tim Lutze: But the next one is going to look like a Hollywood production.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, there’s a trailer for the next one on White Australia.org and it’s good!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, I do have inside information. There is another trailer coming soon. I can’t say when but it’s very soon.

 

But yeah that was crazy! And everyone get charged with “loitering” and a Nazi symbol and, …

 

Graham Connolly: Well they bviously wanted to charge us with wearing masks with “articles of disguise”, but we didn’t turn up with articles of disguise so they were confused, they didn’t know what to do.

 

Tim Lutze: Some guys were “slip slop, slap”, you know protecting from the sun with a hat and sunnies and, …

 

Graham Connolly: Police with hats and sunglasses on we’re arresting people with hats and sunglasses on for wearing “articles in disguise”!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah and every single charge was dropped!

 

Graham Connolly: Every single charge was withdrawn.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: That’s the language they used in the, …

 

Tim Lutze: I’ve never been good at language! [chuckling]

 

Graham Connolly: No, I just mean that because it took me a day to chase up what actually happened. Because on the final day it lasted for five seconds. I’m on the phone and they just hang up on you!

 

Tim Lutze: We could barely hear it.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. And they just hung up. They just hung up! And I’m like:

 

“What the fuck just happened?”

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And then it took me the whole day to finally get it confirmed.

 

Tim Lutze: Like wanted to see what happened and we were on the phone and we didn’t hear anything. And then finally not knowing when your next court date was.

 

Graham Connolly: And then I eventually confirmed later that day that all charges have been withdrawn.

 

Tim Lutze: But yeah, they can arrest you, charge you, put you in solitary.

 

Graham Connolly: Three days, 16 guys!

 

Tim Lutze: Force you to be on non-Association from your friends and family and then just drop the charges.

 

Graham Connolly: Just drop the charges!

 

Tim Lutze: You know, I don’t have any faith in lawfare or the courts.

 

Graham Connolly: No, no!

 

Tim Lutze: None whatsoever! And a lot of people get frustrated at me for that stance, but I don’t expect anything. In Queensland the police were just swinging on us!

 

Graham Connolly: Just swinging us.

 

Tim Lutze: Just swinging. Busted my lip open.

 

Graham Connolly: My favourite part of that whole day was when the guy, …

 

Tim Lutze: The 60 year old man that was just pulled to the floor, Mickel, had his head smashed on the corner!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, yeah!

 

Graham Connolly: And my favourite part of the whole day was you getting punched in the face though! I’m sorry to say that, but that was my favourite part because I’ve never seen somebody steal somebody’s soul. You stole that guy’s soul!

 

And then he couldn’t take his eyes off you for the whole rest of the march. He was like eyeballing you for the whole thing. He punched you as hard as he could in the face, and you just went:

 

“Are you okay?”

 

Tim Lutze: I said:

 

“What are you doing?”

 

It was just, it was a haymaker too! Yeah, it was a big overhand right and it was like boom!

 

And I was like:

 

“What are you doing?”

 

And he’s just like, … Looks around, …

 

Graham Connolly: He was so disappointed.

 

[Image: NSN march through Brisbane, Aug 11, 2024]

 

Tim Lutze: And in the rest of the march he was just walking around the ranks trying to, just staring at me, like breathing. He was like an Islander or something. Yeah, I thought he was going to break into a haka* at one point! Yeah, he was really [word unclear].

 

[* Haka is a traditional Māori dance characterized by vigorous movements, rhythmic chanting, and facial expressions, often performed by groups. It serves various ceremonial purposes, including welcoming guests, celebrating achievements, and preparing for battle.]

 

Graham Connolly: He [chuckling] wanted to get you man!

 

So this year on August 31, myself, Jimbo and Jacob went to Brisbane. And because of that day I was expecting Brisbane was going to be hectic!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: So me and Jimbo were ready for it. Like we were getting ready for craziness!

 

Tim Lutze: Jimbo is ready for it at a child’s birthday! [chuckling]

 

[1:27:01]

 

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah but we did, because of how the police were, we were expecting it was going to be similar again. They were going to be heavy handed. The fucking Islanders and shit there’s just no rules, like they can do whatever the fuck they want. They’re gonna bash us over the head and yeah, and it turned out to be the most timid one of the whole time. Yeah, it was the most timid state in Australia that day.

 

Tim Lutze: We did the whole complaints. Stephen Wilds is trying to do legal action for the older gentleman that was tackled and bashed in Queensland. I think he’s still trying to take the legal action against them. In Sydney, they were just wild, wild west banning us from every suburb.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, Sydney was crazy man!

 

Tim Lutze: That was hectic! I don’t know, they didn’t really, …

 

Graham Connolly: But the Adelaide one. Are we gonna class action these mother fuckers, or what we’re going to do?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, well, so far every time we’ve made a complaint, …

 

Graham Connolly: I mean they’re caught on Tom’s mic saying that they wanted to shoot us!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that’s the other thing I was about to say. Like yeah, they saying that they want to shoot Australians and stuff like that, …

 

Graham Connolly: For celebrating Australia Day!

 

Tim Lutze: I know they did make a complaint about that but like it’s every time we seem to make it’s:

 

“Oh we’ve investigated ourselves and we found nothing happened.”

 

Graham Connolly: Especially in Sydney.

 

Tim Lutze: We all made complaints, anyone that was assaulted, and it was just like:

 

“Oh yeah we’ve investigated and we found that yeah, nothing happened.”

 

Like basically. I don’t even remember what the wording was. It was just so vague. I just don’t have any faith in the law and yeah, you should do it all and you should try to use the system against itself.

 

Graham Connolly: You should do it anyway!

 

Tim Lutze: You should do it anyway but, …

 

Graham Connolly: Just to show the contrast.

 

Tim Lutze: I just hate it! I don’t like complaining and, …

 

Graham Connolly: We just watched Tom represent himself and do a really good job of it, too, in a case in the Magistrates Court. And the Magistrates Court is just a joke!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. For like intimidating a police officer.

 

Graham Connolly: Have I never mentioned his name? Never mentioned his anything. Never revealed anything!

 

Tim Lutze: Said he was going to look into the laws to see if he’s allowed to mention him.

 

Graham Connolly: Crazy! Just absolute insane!

Tim Lutze: And that “intimidated” the guy.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: I mean, why are you in that job if you’re that easy to intimidate?

 

Graham Connolly: Nobody believes the guy was intimidated. I watched the whole case.

 

Tim Lutze: Trying to take down an organised crime syndicate or an outlaw motorcycle club, and you’re that easily intimidated? Like, what is he? Is he like a senior sergeant? I don’t know. But like, maybe I shouldn’t ask? But like, I don’t know. How could you climb the ranks in a police department if you’re that easily intimidated?

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, that’s crazy!

 

Graham Connolly: Crazy!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. But look, I mean, we just breezed over a lot of things, like most things today. It’s been good. Loads of information for people, but we could have talked here for six hours.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: But I think we probably got to call it there because it’ll be too long and people won’t watch the whole thing and, …

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, probably for those guys that don’t speak Irish, there’ll be subtitles, I think!

 

Graham Connolly: There won’t be any subtitles. They’re just going to have to watch it twice! Three times!

 

Tim Lutze: I still don’t know what you’re saying. [LOL]

 

Graham Connolly: But there won’t be subtitles. There’ll be no subtitles! [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: Right.

 

Graham Connolly: They’re just [chuckling] going to have to get used to it.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, we normally do this thing where me and you, where we will talk and we talk over each other and we’ll have two different conversations at the same time, …

 

Graham Connolly: But we both take it in.

 

Tim Lutze: But we both know what we’re saying. People that are listening to us, …

 

Graham Connolly: The are:

 

“What the fuck are you guys on about?”

 

Tim Lutze: They get annoyed!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, they get annoyed on our behalf!

 

Tim Lutze: And they’re like:

 

“Why aren’t you two guys annoyed? Like you’re talking over each other!”

 

Graham Connolly: It’s faster this way!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. I don’t know if we did that today?

 

Graham Connolly: I don’t think so. no. No, not so bad. But you actually wanted to know before, we could finish on this, you wanted to know why I’m an Australian nationalist.

 

Tim Lutze: So I’ll address the elephant in the room.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And before you make a joke about my mum. I mean, …

 

Graham Connolly: I never would! [chuckling]

 

 

Tim Lutze: Why is a Irish immigrant a part of a White Australian organisation?

 

Graham Connolly: It’s a good question!

 

Tim Lutze: Why are you a White Australian nationalist?

 

[1:31:27]

 

 

Graham Connolly: Well, the truth is, no matter what, if I was in Ireland, I’d be White nationalist in Ireland, I’d be an Irish nationalist. But I’m here. I came here when I was basically only out of university. I was like every other fucking person that just came out of university. I was basically, I was never Left-wing, I was always natural law. I just didn’t know I was a National Socialist. But I wasn’t a racist. I wasn’t any of those things.

 

And when I came here, I was naive. I didn’t know what I know now. I didn’t know about the jews. I didn’t know. That we were being slowly genocided, and eradicated from the face of the planet!

 

And I’ll make a long story short. So when Covid happened, my plan, … I’d been here at that time 12 or 13 years, and I’m Irish. I’ll never be Australian! I’m an Irish man. I’ll never be Australian. My kid will. I just had a kid. My kid will be Australian because she is of the same blood as the founders of Australia and she’s born here. And I mean, an Indian born here is never going to be Australian, but my kid will be because my partner’s Australian. She’s of the same blood as the people who founded Australia, so she’ll be Australian.

 

Tim Lutze: But you are of the same blood that started Australia.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. But I’m born in Ireland, grew up in Ireland, went to school in Ireland. I’m always going to be Irish. I’m Irish, right?

 

So, when Covid happened, I spent years bickering and arguing with people online. And 9/11 was my first sort of red pill. And I had the same sort of red pill process as most people. You gaslit yourself. You go back asleep for the easy life or whatever, for the normal life. And then something else happens to wake you back up again. You’re going, fucking, it’s always the same people at the bottom of every rabbit [rabbi] hole.

 

And anyway, so when Covid happened, I was not getting the vaccine. Straight away, I was laughing! Like, I remember. I remember being in work, going and laughing and my boss was like:

 

“There’s 40 grown men calling me, crying!”

 

And I’m like:

 

“Man, it’s rubbish! It’s nonsense!”

 

Anyway, I wasn’t going to take the vaccine. At that point I hadn’t even applied for citizenship here. And in my mind I was like:

 

“Okay, now is the time. I’m going back to Ireland. I’m going back to fight in Ireland. I’m going to start, I’m going to get political, I’m going to start doing shit in real life. No more of this fucking bullshit, and online arguing and bickering and wasting time!”

 

So I decided to, before I go, you can have dual citizenship with Ireland.

 

So I was like:

 

“Okay, I’ll get the citizenship. So that if I ever want to come back here when I’m 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, whatever!”

 

Like if I didn’t get citizenship, I go home after six months. I might as well have never been here! All the way, it’s 13 years down the drain sort of thing.

 

So I was like:

 

“Okay, what I’ll do is I’ll get the citizenship, then I’m going back to Ireland and I’m going to get involved politically back there.”

 

That was the plan. And then while I was waiting for the citizenship to come true, I met Jimbo online. Basically I was looking for, I start training and then I was looking for White guys to train with. And so I asked. I was in a group chat here in Geelong.

 

Basically it was like anti-Covid, anti-vaccine group chat. And I just put a post in going:

 

“Anyone know a group of White guys that I can train with or like minded White guys I can train with?”

 

And somebody just sent me Jimbo’s add. I sent Jimbo a message. Jimbo sent me Tom’s add. Sent Tom a message. And I was like:

 

“No way! I’ve seen this guy before. I’ve seen him online and shit, he’s hardly from, …”

 

And then I thought because it was Geelong, I thought they were Geelong. I was like:

 

“No way these cunts, …”

 

Because I was looking for White guys to train with in Geelong. I didn’t want to go to Melbourne to train.

 

But anyway it turns out they were Melbourne. And he was like:

 

“Oh, come down Saturday.”

 

And that was to where we always train in the park. You know the one?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And I was like:

 

“Fuck, I wasn’t planning on going to Melbourne!”

 

Like I wanted to train locally. I fucking work in Melbourne, I travel from Geelong to Melbourne every day. The last thing I want to be doing is going in a Saturday as well.

 

So I went in and I said to myself, I thought about it and I was like, I’m a big advocate of your gut. Trust your gut on everything. I always say:

 

“Your gut is God talking to you, or is the universe talking to you! Like your head will lie to you. Your heart will lie to you, but your gut never does!”

 

And sometimes you might not listen to it, but it never lies to you. So I was like:

 

“Just trust your gut, go meet the guy.”

 

So I went, met the guys and trained properly. I was training, but not properly. And it was the first time I trained properly, trained pretty hard with the guys. Ended up getting sick after training! And then we went to have a barbecue after training, and the guys were talking about blueberries and gardening and like, just all fucking wholesome shit! And I was just trusting my gut. I just felt at home straight away. I was like, my normie mates are talking about drink, drug, coke, prostitutes, …

 

Tim Lutze: Late 30s.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. And I’m like, all my normie mates are fucking talking about all this degenerate shit! And the most wholesome thing to talk about is sports ball!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: You know what I mean? And so I was training. Straight away, I was like:

 

“These are the guys for me!”

 

And then it was just a weird thing like that, I’ve been here for fucking 13 years. I’m ready to go back to Ireland, and the universe introduces me to Thomas Sewell and Jimbo Roberts! To me, that’s, “you are where I need you”.

 

[1:36:32]

 

Tim Lutze: The Organisation was very different then.

 

Graham Connolly: It was tiny. There was six guys training the first time I turned up.

 

Tim Lutze: The guys are different.

 

Graham Connolly: The guys were different! Yeah. You know? Yeah. Like, I could name the guys that were there, but I won’t. But it was basically like just there was six guys and me. But the whole thing for me, though, was that I’m here 13 years, I’m ready to go back to Ireland and the universe, God, the universe, whatever you want to call it, introduces me to Tom Sewell!

 

Tim Lutze: And how long was it?

 

Graham Connolly: So how is that trust your gut moment and go:

 

“Well, this is where you’re supposed to be?”

 

And I really, ever since then, I’ve gone from strength to strength and happiness, like back to the Juden Peterson thing. You find meaning, you find happiness to an extent. And not that I was ever an unhappy person, but now I’m in real life fighting for my people.

 

And for me, it’s actually the meme, “No More Brother Wars”, to me I live that every day. Because I put on my NSN jacket which has a fucking Union Jack on it!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Now, I grew up, you couldn’t even wear a pair of Reebok runners in Ireland because they have Union Jack on them! And it’s not even a hatred or anything. It’s just the way it is! You have that conflict there.

 

And so for me to put on the NSN jacket with Union Jack on it and to embody that, to me, that is me putting my mouth, my spirit, my soul, where my belief system is!

 

Tim Lutze: Can someone ask Justin Barrett* if he’s okay with Graham Connolly wearing a Union Jack? Can we get him to comment on that?

 

[* Justin Barrett is an Irish far-Right and NS political activist. He was leader of the National Party from 2016 until July 2023; from then until 2025 both he and his former deputy, James Reynolds, both claimed sole leadership of the party. Barrett’s activism began in the 1990s, with the anti-abortion campaign group Youth Defence. He campaigned against the Treaty of Nice in 2002 and founded the National Party in 2016. Barrett and the National Party campaigned for a No vote in the 2018 abortion referendum through the Abortion Never campaign, which functioned as “an Irish nationalist anti-abortion campaign”. Wikipedia]

 

Graham Connolly: Hopefully he’ll understand where I’m coming from in this is my path. I love Justin Barrett. Justin Barrett’s my man! I’ve advocated for him.

 

Tim Lutze: The [word unclear] boys are awesome!

 

Graham Connolly: Awesome! Absolutely awesome! Fuck the cool cunts, the optic cucks!

 

Tim Lutze: The recent march they did is just another example of Leftist violence that’s going to go uninvestigated.

 

Graham Connolly: Absolutely! 100%. Yep. Now, these guys are solid. They represent National Socialism in Ireland, Nationalists in Ireland.

 

And I think he’ll understand it. I think he’ll understand this was my part. This is the journey I’ve been on. No more brother wars boys! We got to put aside our differences for now. Like to crusades. The boys in the Crusades put aside their differences for a greater good, to drive Islam out of Europe or whatever. The Spartan kicked Islam back out of Europe, and then they went back to bickering!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: We need to Spartan kick the jews out of Europe and then we can go back to bickering later. That’s the way I look at it. That’s what I look at for now.

 

And at the end of the day, we have a lot more in common now. Hey, it’s like that meme again:

 

“We’re a lot more alike than we are different!”

 

We have a lot more in common now than we are different.

 

We are losing our country! Like in Ireland, the Irish are losing their country! In England, the English are losing their country! They can argue all they like and bicker all they like, but the reality is they’re going to be bickering and bickering to the last man, then turn around and there’s nothing!

 

Tim Lutze: Somalians!

 

Graham Connolly: There’s nothing but Somalians standing behind them! Behind both of them. There’s no more Whites left! So put aside the differences just for now. And fight for each other. Fight for the greater good. Fight for England, fight for Ireland, fight for Scotland, fight for France, Germany, Sweden! We need to put them all aside, boys, and we need to save our collective tribes.

 

And I think we can only do it together. I don’t know whether the universe wanted me here so that I could realise that. It had to take me out of that and put me somewhere else so I had a bird’s eye view of it.

 

The only way out is like, I think what would scare the jews more than anything is a massive rally with Irish nationalists, English nationalists, French nationalists, German nationals!

 

Tim Lutze: We’re the real globalists.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. But a rally with all of them representing their own people at the same fucking rally! Because they’re all fighting against the same enemy.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Let’s be honest here!

 

Tim Lutze: Oswald Mosely* tier. He sort of wanted a European Union of nationalists.

 

[* Oswald Mosley-British aristocrat and fascist politician (1896–1980) Sir Oswald Ernald Mosley, 6th Baronet, was a British aristocrat and politician who rose to fame during the 1920s and 1930s when, disillusioned with mainstream politics, he turned to fascism. He was Member of Parliament for Harrow from 1918 to 1924 and for Smethwick from 1926 to 1931. Wikipedia]

 

Graham Connolly: Oh, nice! This is the thing. This is my own. I don’t know Mosley. I do know Mosley, but I haven’t, …

 

Tim Lutze: You know, he talks about European Union, so people sort of hate on him for that. But what he was going for is that nationalists in Europe need to be, …

 

[See: David Frost – Interview with Oswald Mosley – Nov 15, 1967 – Transcript]

 

[1:40:51]

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Like, we can be united. Separate, but united in our separate separatism or whatever.

 

Tim Lutze: I like the quote about chasing happiness. There’s few times in my life where I was truly happy, and it was probably every time I won a fight because you just put so much into it. That’s true happiness.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. You earned it.

 

Tim Lutze: I remember when the gym was completed and I was sitting on the steps and the boys were sparring with each other in the ring. We literally just built, … The bags were against the wall. They weren’t hanging or nothing. And I was just sitting there like:

 

“Oh, fuck we did it! I’m happy!”

 

And then when before that when I bought my house, I was happy because I put a roof over my family’s head. But since I’ve been a White nationalist, and my family have said this to me, is that I haven’t looked happy for a long time. And it’s because I’m trying to achieve something like buying a house or building a gym or winning a fight.

 

Graham Connolly: But it’s big!

 

Tim Lutze: But I haven’t achieved it.

 

Graham Connolly: It’s big, man! This is big!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: So I haven’t had a true happy moment since I’ve become a White nationalist. And that’s because I haven’t achieved my goal yet.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And I won’t have another happy moment until that. Things do make me feel good, my new child and stuff.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: But I’m not chasing happiness. I’m not looking for happiness. I’m looking to accomplish and for meaning. So yeah, I like the idea of not chasing happiness.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. So do I tim Lutze: Because it’s not what I’m doing. It’s not what I’ve sacrificed everything I’ve built. I don’t want to sacrifice all that for happiness.

 

Graham Connolly: I don’t want cheap endorphins either anymore. I want well earned, hard earned endorphins, hard earned dopamine that you got, …

 

Tim Lutze: You did have a Kit Kat, earlier!

 

Graham Connolly: You gave me that though. That was bad influence by you!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Fucking Anglos! [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: But yeah. So how long were you training before the first time you met me? It’s hard when you come to training because, …

 

Graham Connolly: It’s hard to remember, but, …

 

Tim Lutze: I think maybe there’s 20 or something when I came.

 

Graham Connolly: But yeah, I think probably a couple of months. Like what month did you come in?

 

Tim Lutze: I was like, August maybe.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, I started in March, so it would have been March to August probably. And when you turned up I, in the first round of sparring and I was like:

 

“I buy you!”

 

And that was cuz it was 15%. [chuckling] And we escalate as we go up. I was like:

 

“I got to get this fucking boxer guy out of the way when it’s 15%! [chuckling] ”

 

But you always look after everybody like you’re a, good sparring partner.

 

Tim Lutze: What I tell the boys when I’m training them and what, or it’s just what should be standard is there’s all different levels, there’s all different weights. And some guys, you can only put them with guys that are capable because some guys only have one gear.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And we all know they are.

 

Graham Connolly: That’s true.

 

Tim Lutze: They have one gear and they go on that gear and people get hurt, but, like when you have a lot of experience, I’ll spar anyone and I’ll do enough just to beat them.

 

Graham Connolly: You always do that!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, just to beat them! Even if they’re swinging hard. I’ll just be point fighting, but when I lose around, it’s because you’ve beat me. It’s because you’ve beat me and I’ve gone, …

 

Graham Connolly: Which is like almost never now! Because it’s never actually, it’s actually never because we don’t have somebody at your level. That’s unfortunate for you, though, that you don’t get pushed that hard.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. I miss going to other gyms and I miss getting beat up!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: It happens in kickboxing. I get beat up sometimes in kickboxing. I don’t like kickboxing, that’s uncivil. Keep your legs on the ground. Stand and deliver.

 

Graham Connolly: Man, that’s a very Irish, …

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, I have to do it at Nationals and stuff. Yeah. I don’t appreciate it. You know, I would rather there be like a boxing tournament, where we can act like gentlemen, not like animals, you know, horses, …

 

Graham Connolly: I [chuckling] have to say, I was the same growing up, but then when I came over and started kickboxing, I kind of was a soccer player. So even without having technique, I kind of have power in my kicks. And I just like that it adds a different, …

 

Tim Lutze: Where I grew up you keep your feet on the ground. Only if the guy’s on the ground do you put the boot into them! [chuckling] While you’re standing with someone, keep your feet on the ground, keep your foot, … That’s how it is.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Fair.

 

Tim Lutze: So I always tell the guys:

 

“Do enough just to win! If you’re way better than the guy, just do enough to win! Keep it competitive.”

 

But if you’re two guys equal skill, not every week, but every now and then, if you’re two guys equal skill have a nice competitive spar with each other. Don’t brawl. Keep your technique and have a good competitive spar.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

[1:45:32]

 

Tim Lutze: We’re all trying to build each other up. So I can go with a guy whose first day is boxing and make it look competitive.

 

Graham Connolly: Hey, I was thinking of, because we should probably wrap up now. Part two has been an hour and 45 minutes. So that’s three hours total now.

 

And I don’t know, we’re playing with this concept of you nominate the next guest.

 

Tim Lutze: Yep.

 

Graham Connolly: And then I gotta chase that mother fucker down, whoever it is.

 

Tim Lutze: Okay.

 

Graham Connolly: So you can nominate somebody, and I guess it puts a little, I go:

 

“Look, you’ve been nominated by Tim Lutze. You gotta come on!”

 

Tim Lutze: All right, I’ll nominate Ralph Babet.

 

Graham Connolly: Babet! [chuckling] We’re talk about Caramel Island for three hours! [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, well, maybe he’ll come on! [chuckling] Yeah, if he doesn’t, I’ll make it a little easier. Then I’ll nominate big Blair Cottrell!

 

Graham Connolly: Oh, yeah, Blair. Lovely. All right, I’ll chase down Blair.

 

Tim Lutze: Clip that. Send that to Blair.

 

Graham Connolly: Do we send it to Babet first? Are you just joking?

 

Tim Lutze: No, no, send it to Babet. You know, I don’t want to make Blair, …

 

Graham Connolly: No, no, no, of course not. I’d love to have Blair on it, like, whenever, really. But, yeah, I thought you were joking about Babet.

 

Tim Lutze: I am joking.

 

Graham Connolly: If it was possible, it’d be funny. He’d never do it.

 

Tim Lutze: Nah.

 

Graham Connolly: But not yet, anyway. But so, really, it’s Blair Cottrell.

 

Tim Lutze: It’s Blair Cottrell.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Awesome! That’d be actually really good! I love Blair. He’s a great guy.

 

Tim Lutze: Well, thanks for having me. I think your mom wants her basement back.

 

Graham Connolly: Thanks for coming in! All right, let’s call it there.

 

Tim Lutze: Thank you.

 

Graham Connolly: Cheers, man! Thanks for coming over.

 

Tim Lutze: Hail victory! Blood and honour!

 

Graham Connolly: Hail victory! Blood and honour! Take care.

 

 

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ded_kelly
13 hours ago
Fantastic shows, both parts. Looking forward to more. Hail Victory! Blood and Honour!
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Jacobg1
14 hours ago
Really enjoyed this, it is a great way for us to hear from some of the less prominant guys. We’ve all seen Tim and know we get to know him & understand him a little more. Seems like a really solid guy. Would be great if you did more interviews with more of the less prominant but familiar faces like Jimbo or Nathan
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WhiteGermanS
1 day ago
Graham speaking about trusting your gut feeling and fate of being put somewhere for a greater purpose by a higher power. I truely believe this is our destiny, we have been called upon by our forefathers, best we make them proud!
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KineticKelticKlansman
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23 hours ago
100%. Thanks for watching brother. The Universe lays a path out in front of us and we can either embrace it or reject it. I feel that everytime we reject the path for whatever reason, we lose a part of ourselves until eventually there is nothing left. Like many boomers we see today, over time becoming empty shells. A shadow of what they should have been. We have a lot of work to do. Recovery is never easy.
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palacepony
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1 day ago
Graham, you present with a good positive energy. As does Tim. Really like what you org fellas are doing in the media space. Thank you
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Snow_Whitee
1 day ago
Oh Tim is the guy who got his car firebombed and they basically took the piss out of it in the media? Disgusting. Don’t be too hard on Monica Smit, if it weren’t for her posting about her disgust at you guys attending the rally and posting a screenshot from Thomas’s telegram I wouldn’t have ever gone there to look into it and finally come to my senses. So she was good for something . Good to hear the Irish blokes story too. I used to be actually quiet racist even towards the English, Irish and Scottish etc taking over my town but now realise how retarded that is, I’m slowing undoing my retardation.. I honestly cannot believe how much everyone hates you guys when I see you boys as the actual literal definition of what REAL MEN are. I hope your numbers will continue to grow Looking forward to Blair’s interview Ive actually been reading about the true blue crew, lads society and UPF. Shame one of those originals converted to Islam wtaf??
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KineticKelticKlansman
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Haha thank you Monica. Thanks for watching and sharing a little of your own story.
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Snow_Whitee
1 day ago
Lol. Like you, I didn’t know I was a National Socialist. I watched a Nazi from Germany say “I believe one doesn’t just become a National Socialist at some point, but sooner or later you realise you’ve always been one” and I couldn’t agree more. Anyway thanks again for all you do!
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CanadianGirlRumble
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Graham is too close to his mic which makes him sound too loud and louder than the guest, great show though
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KineticKelticKlansman
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Yea and i didn’t realise until I listened back. Disappointing but its a learning experience. Thanks for watching and thanks for the feedback
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pozgaylia
2 days ago
been hanging for this after part 1. great stuff lads. thanks for the 2 part kino \o
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katana17
2 days ago
[The Offaly Offensive – Tim Lutze – Part 2 – Sep 27, 2025 – Transcript] https://katana17.com/2025/09/27/the-offaly-offensive-tim-lutze-part-2-sep-27-2025-transcript/ [In Part 2 Graham Connolly continues with his talk with Aussie nationalist and State Leader of White Australia Tim Lutze about how his boxing gym, Legacy, was forced to close, and subsequent involvement in political rallies with the NSN, including the recent massive March for Australia event. – KATANA] [TRANSCRIPT – Words: 22,475 – Duration: 107 mins] [The Offaly Offensive – Tim Lutze – Part 1 – Sep 20, 2025 – Transcript] https://katana17.com/2025/09/24/the-offaly-offensive-tim-lutze-part-1-sep-20-2025-transcript/
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john252025
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irish bloke , you’re not in a shouting competition !!! STOP SHOUTING OVER AND INTERRUPTING YOUR GUEST !!! ALSO YOUR MICROPHONE IS TOO CLOSE AND YOUR VOLUME WAY TOO HIGH – UNWATCHABLE DUE TO YOUR LACK OF IMPULSE CONTROL.
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KineticKelticKlansman
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Yea noted. Honestly thought the mic needed to be close. Always see other podcasters telling their guests to pull the mic close. Its the 1st one. Learn from it and do better next time.
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StalwartAU
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2 days ago
Lol, this might be a bit much … host is doing great for his first swing at it, and ought to do many more. All learning experiences.
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MonThirteen
2 days ago
Calm down mate. He will get the hang of it.
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kismet208
2 days ago
Did you join rumble just to make this comment aye
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StalwartAU
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2 days ago
Good interview, but man, let your guest do the talking. Prompt, by all means, but don’t interrupt and attempt to finish his points. Looking forward to more.
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KineticKelticKlansman
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Yea I appreciate the feedback. TBH, we’re such close mates and I was kinda between minds whether the concept of the podcast is an “interview” or more a chat and a bit of banter. Just a chill fireside chat. I’ve never attempted anything remotely like this before, lots to improve on but it’ll get better. Cheers for watching.
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katana17
2 days ago
For first time both these chats/interviews are quite interesting, so please do more. That said, and as I’m making transcripts of them, your interruptions are very obvious and can be a bit much at times, as us listeners what to here it from Tim! Cheers.
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KineticKelticKlansman
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I appreciate that brother. I care so ill definitely try my best to do better with Blair. I don’t know Blair as well as I know Tim so I think that will help as I’m really interested to get to know him.
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MonThirteen
2 days ago
Another great chat. Well done gentlemen. o/
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TimLutze
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Thanks brother o/
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MonThirteen
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I’m a sister lol
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Antifa ‘..head-butting our hands and feet’
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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Tim Lutze: Is this mic all right Katie? Not covering my face?

 

Katie: No, no, your face is fine.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: Do I look fat?

 

Katie: [words unclear]

 

Graham Connolly: Oh, for God’s sake!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, but then it doesn’t want to go over that way. It keeps coming back. [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: This is exactly how I thought it would be.

 

Graham Connolly: Just keeps going back.

 

Tim Lutze: These are clamps [mic stands].

 

Graham Connolly: See, now when I turn here, it’s not. As the sound is not as, …

 

Katie: Yeah, exactly! More towards you, but, like, not right in front of you.

 

Graham Connolly: I need to be able.

 

Katie: You have way more room to go back more.

 

Graham Connolly: As soon as I do it. And you said, … Okay. There. It’s fine.

 

All right, all right. These producers, man! She’s just a producer, rapper. Like Kanye!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: I should get royalties for making this happen.

 

Graham Connolly: Offered money and then didn’t give me anything.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: Got it wrong. Got milk.

 

Graham Connolly: Oh, you got milk.

 

Tim Lutze: Arrow Kit Kats.

 

Graham Connolly: All right, fine. Yeah, the Arrow Kit was good. The Arrow Kit Kat was good.

 

All right, well, I’m here on episode one of the Offally Offensive with a very special guest.

 

Tim Lutze: Thank you. Welcome. Thanks for having me.

 

Graham Connolly: It’s Tim Lutze! How are you, Tim?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, good, good! You?

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, good. So tell me. Tell me every single thing about you. Every single thing since the time you were infant. No, no!

 

Let’s start with your teenage years. What got you into. You’re a boxing coach, yeah?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. I started boxing when I was 14. I’ve always been interested in boxing. I wanted to start much younger, but I was getting in a lot of trouble at school, …

 

Graham Connolly: Fights?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, fighting. And we had a family friend that was a professional boxer. And at about eight years old, he was trying to convince my mum to take me to boxing.

 

Graham Connolly: You know that energy.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, to get that energy and discipline, but she wouldn’t have it. And I was kicked out of a few schools and suspended from a few different schools.

 

Graham Connolly: What were you kicked out of school for?

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, fighting. And I was always a bit disruptive in class and fighting. I just had a lot of energy. Watched too much Dragon Ball Z maybe, but, …

 

Graham Connolly: How old are you now?

 

Tim Lutze: I’m 34.

 

Graham Connolly: 34?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Middle aged.

 

Graham Connolly: So what age were you when you got kicked out of your first school?

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, that was grade four. Grade four. Me and a friend who I’m still in contact with graham Connolly: In St. Albans?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. We left together. Went to the same different school together and ran amok there. Got like, suspended in, like our second week. And this just continued into high school. By the time I reached high school, my mum had basically given up and just conceded to our family friend to let me do boxing. And I went down to Footscray Youth Club when I was 14 years old and I walked in and started training, and I wasn’t a big fan of the skipping and all the running and boxer [word unclear].

 

Graham Connolly: You wanted to spar.

 

Tim Lutze: I just wanted to punch people!

 

And so I was watching the sparring and there was two really light guys in there, maybe 60 kilos. And I was pretty big at 14. I was trying to play rugby as well. And they were like jabbing and running away from each other not to the usual way that I was used to fighting. So I walked up to the coach and asked him if I could get in and he laughed at me and called me an idiot! And I just kept asking him every day for about two weeks and finally said:

 

“All right, if you think you’re ready to spar, we’ll put you in.”

 

And I put on set of gloves and mouthguard. I jumped in the ring with a guy that was probably 15 kilos lighter than me. And just started swinging, just throwing from the hip. Missed everything! He was, went for about 30 seconds. He jabbed him about three times. My nose just started pouring blood.

 

And as soon as I could walk him towards the ropes, I grabbed onto him and we ended up on the floor and everyone jumped in, and I was kicked out of the gym for a week. But the experience really did humble me.

 

Graham Connolly: Good gentlemanly conduct!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Basically he pulled me out of the ring. He was very old. He was kind of like Mickey from Rocky, you know, ended up being like a real father figure for me.

 

So I was from single parent family, you know, low income. And he guided me through my teen years and taught me a lot of discipline.

 

But the first discipline was that day, where he pulled me out of the ring and said I’m not welcome at the gym for a week and that if I continued to behave like that, he would have me black banned from every gym in Victoria, which he was the Olympic coach at the time and the State coach.

 

Graham Connolly: So he could.

 

Tim Lutze: He could definitely do that.

 

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Graham Connolly: What changed then? Did you change? Did anything change in you?

 

Tim Lutze: I wouldn’t say that day changed. I was humbled from a little guy just jabbing me and I had no answer for it. But I still was a little bit cocky.

 

Graham Connolly: And you were like:

 

“In the street, I’d kill him!”

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that was the attitude. But like, the guy, he was from Sunshine and he was older, but like that’s kind of like a very low class sort of area as well. And he was from around the way, so to speak. And I’ve ended up becoming really good friends with him.

 

But I came back a week later and he pulled me into the kitchen, the coach, that is, and he said that he’ll tell me when I’m ready to spar and not to ask him or the same thing I’d be kicked out. And to train and when he thinks I’m ready, he’ll let me know. So I trained every day for like six months. I ran in the mornings. I watched all five Rockies, you know, watched all the boxing. You know, like back then was like Mayweather, Dela Hoya.

 

Graham Connolly: And that would have been impressive to a coach that time, man!

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, not really, no! I think boxing just attracts those types of people. But I don’t know why, I just fell in love with boxing and the whole culture of it.

 

And so I, after six months, I jump in the ring with the same guy and he was only training once or twice a week and I trained every day and I’d done all that and run and diet and did everything I could. So we started sparring and within a minute and a half my nose was bleeding and by the end of the round of, my shirt was just covered in blood. I didn’t land a punch. He wasn’t even going hard. He was just picking me off, just jabbing. And I kept my temper and I didn’t, … And I got out of the ring and I was just fighting tears, just had all that water under my eyes! And I was just, the coach said:

 

“You can’t, that’s it, you’re done!”

 

Because there was blood everywhere and I was a bit argumentative. And he said:

 

“Don’t argue, you did good, you kept your cool. I’m happy.”

 

And he just asked me:

 

“Why you’re so upset?”

 

And I said:

 

“I just trained every day for six months and like, I didn’t even land a punch.”

 

And he just said, like:

 

“That’s not what it’s about.”

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, nice.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, he goes:

 

“He’s not better than you or more skilled. He’s more experienced.”

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: So I was ready to quit that day.

 

Graham Connolly: You understand all that now?

 

Tim Lutze: Now I do, yeah. And I was ready to quit that day!

 

Graham Connolly: But you’re not a quitter.

 

Tim Lutze: No, no, I’m not a quitter. And fighting, I’ve always been attracted to violence and to fighting, for better or worse. But obviously, what’s, …

 

Graham Connolly: The most natural thing in the world!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: From the dawn of time.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Obviously we don’t have a culture where it’s like, okay to fight and we don’t really promote wars and we don’t really promote warriors. You know, the closest thing to promoting violence now is like, and what was back then would be like the Sopranos and the Sons of Anarchy and Breaking Bad, where you’re always rooting for the bad guy and the toughest guy gets respect!

 

So obviously all the warrior inclined youth are going to go towards those sort of things.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, and that’s exactly what happened in my case when I was young. Without boxing, a lot more people, or any combat sport, and we’re talking like 2004. So UFC wasn’t really a thing in Australia back then, but boxing was.

 

And I just think boxing has saved so many kids from just becoming violent criminals.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: I know it gets a bad rap sometimes, but, like, that’s the way I see it.

 

But yeah, I did it. I trained every day and I sparred every day. And because my coach was the Victorian coach, we have the State team there every month for a while. And I got to spar with some of the guys, some of the Olympians, you know, one of my friends back then went to Beijing and Olympics and you spar, did some rounds with him.

 

Graham Connolly: And can you remember when you had your first moment where you actually enjoyed sparring, where you landed a punch, where you landed it, where you had some success?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, Before I get to there, I’ll just finish what I was saying, was that I sparred every day and I was sparring very experienced fighters the whole time. And everyone in the gym had fights back then, and I was the youngest. I was 14. I was the kid in the gym. And 12 months goes by and I hadn’t won a single round sparring. So my coach comes to me and he says:

 

“I’m gonna put you in for a fight.”

 

And I was like, scared! And I’ve never been scared to fight, you know, And I was, …

 

Graham Connolly: Like, this wasn’t a fight in the street where you just milled.

 

[10:24]

 

Tim Lutze: No! You don’t have to try to fight in the street. You don’t train for it. Like it just happens. And it’s adrenaline and it’s fun and you know, like, if you’ve got a good crew, you sometimes you don’t have to worry about going one on one and you can win a fight, [chuckling] you know, in dishonourable ways.

 

But this is something that I did every day for 12 months. This is something that I eat, breathed, slept I practiced discipline for. And the thought of doing all that training and losing just was, filled me with anxiety. And the fact that I was sparring all these fighters that had 20 fights and 30 fights and then now I’m fighting like somebody. And I just didn’t feel like I’d ever really had a good spot, like won a spar. And my coach sort of snapped at me because he’s an old, grumpy dude. And he said:

 

“You’ve been sparring boys that have been fighting!”

 

He’s like:

 

“I know you’re ready! You trust me. I’m a coach. I’ve been coaching for 60 years!”

 

Or I think it’s about 50 at that time. But I was with [word unclear] for a very long time, I think around, …

 

Graham Connolly: So from his perspective, you were going to go up against somebody of a similar skill level? Been training for years.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. That’s what he explained to me.

 

And so I said:

 

“Okay.”

 

And I was very nervous and I had my first fight and I won it!

 

Graham Connolly: How did fight go?

 

Tim Lutze: It was messy. I was hitting the pads, warming up, and everyone was saying how crisp and good I looked and the punches were straight and I was moving my head. And then the fight started, … And I had the video, like the VHS, but it got thrown out when we got rid of all the VHS’s. So, it’s a shame. But like, even if I had it, I wouldn’t show anyone because I was 15 years old and I was just throwing punches like I was doing freestyle in the swimming pool!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: It was just adrenaline. And back then, 2005, or I think it was, every punch was a score.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: So I won the fight by two points. So basically two punches. And they did, you know, later on when they were doing the scoring, they moved it to where like they would not be so candid giving out the scores. The scores used to be high, but then later on they changed the scoring so that you had to be really clear when you land a punch and you’d have low scoring fights. But like you’d see fights that were like 20 something to 30 something, back then.

 

So like two punches in 2005 is like not much at all! And yeah, that’s basically like my first 12 months of boxing. It was just a roller coaster and it just humbled me and gave me a sense of morality and purpose and discipline. And I recommend everyone put their kids into boxing.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: But the first time, I don’t really have a point where I really started to win a spar.

 

Graham Connolly: Well, that’s a point though. You win a fight!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it’s a different, …

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, so that’s a point where you realise, I love this!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: How old were you?

 

Tim Lutze: I was 15 and I had half a dozen fights before I was 18.

 

And then I had a kid!

 

Graham Connolly: That’s where I was coming to next.

 

Tim Lutze: So, yeah, I got my missus pregnant when I was in high school.

 

Graham Connolly: How old were you when she fell pregnant?

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, 17. Yeah. And then that sort of put my boxing career on hold.

 

Graham Connolly: How did you feel when she told you?

 

Tim Lutze: It was terrible! It was terrible. Like family said that we’d ruin our lives and all this. It was very taboo back then. And from where I grew up, …

 

Graham Connolly: How’d you meet? [chuckling] How’d you meet Beck?

 

Tim Lutze: She’ll tell people that we met through friends. But I had a pretty big friend circle growing up and I used to have these garage parties in my garage.

 

So, yeah, I like to tell people we met in the garage. But she’s a classy lady, so she’ll just tell people that we met through friends.

 

Graham Connolly: In the garage!

 

Tim Lutze: In my garage.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. At a garage party! And what did you look like then?

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, well, I did have like a dragon tail, like a rat tail. One of my favourite fighters was Costa Zoo. So, yeah, I just kind of grew my tail out like his and that.

 

But yeah, I was fighting and I won a State title as a youth. And then I kind of like around 17, 16, started like drinking and partying with mates. I never did, I never did drugs or anything like that. Never even, never even smoked weed and that thing. But like all my friends would do everything and but like I was always protected by them because they’ll be like:

 

“Nah, he’s a boxer, he doesn’t do that shit!”

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, so like I had really good, loyal friends that like that. And just like some of the stuff I seen growing up, I was kind of scared of that sort of thing,

 

Graham Connolly: But you met Beck.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And then the stork brought you a baby in a bundle!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And like I said, I was partying a lot in that time and I’d gotten in trouble with the law. And my missus was pregnant and it was just like a normal west Melbourne story of, …

Graham Connolly: Do you want to talk about the trouble you got in with law, or do you want to just skim over that?

 

[15:57]

 

Tim Lutze: No, no.

 

Graham Connolly: It doesn’t matter, does it?

 

Tim Lutze: No, it doesn’t matter. It’s just degenerate stuff. And yeah like I grew up and, …

 

Graham Connolly: Just typical rough neighbourhood stuff, really.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, you just grow up and like I said, if you’re warrior inclined and all you really have is that culture, like I said the Sopranos and like underbelly here in Australia and even in the boxing you get to rub shoulders with organised crime figures and stuff that sort of make you feel strong. And that’s all you really have. They don’t really promote a warrior culture here.

 

And I think like that’s what one of the things I love that we’re doing now that if you want to be a hard man, if you want to be strong in a chad, you join the NSN! You fight, you’re a warrior for your people.

 

Graham Connolly: You’d be a political dissident.

 

Tim Lutze: Well right now it is. We won’t always be. But like fight for your people. Fight for your children and your grandchildren that aren’t even born yet. What, do you want to fight for some drug traffickers or sex traffickers or whatever? You know, ride around on your bike.

 

Graham Connolly: Ride around your bike, sell drugs, sell women.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, you know, so.

 

Graham Connolly: Or do you want to protect your people? You want to protect your tribe? Do you want to protect your, …

 

Tim Lutze: What other warrior culture is there in this country? Or any Western country? It’s like, you want to be a tough guy, the only way to do is, …

 

Graham Connolly: Be a gangster!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. You don’t even have your John McClaine or your Lethal Weapon cops anymore. You got your rainbow lanyards!

 

Graham Connolly: Exactly.

 

Tim Lutze: And I was a big fan of MMN and gangster rap and all that sort of stuff. So it’s like you, …

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, it’s glorifying that rather than glorifying a warrior culture.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that’s right.

 

Graham Connolly: Like the Romans or the Greeks or whatever, the Spartans.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, even popular culture, like movies, there’s the dumb jock and the bimbo Stacy.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know it’s not a sign of strength to go and be good in class and be smart and intelligent and study history and, …

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, you have to kind of stumble into that world, don’t you? Because that’s the underbelly.

 

The real underbelly is the political dissidents. The NSN, White Australia!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. So, you’re not even through pop culture, encouraged to do that sort of thing.

 

Graham Connolly: No.

 

Tim Lutze: You’re just encouraged to do almost anything to not be a strong, smart warrior.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, exactly! So we’ll get to that. But so you ended up, baby at 18.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: You were still, … Where I’m trying to get is, you were still boxing. Boxing coach. Eventually, you started your own gym, though. What led to that? You started your own gym. What led to that?

 

Tim Lutze: Well, I did get a lot of time off boxing, and I got an apprenticeship and got through my legal stuff and I got, …

 

Graham Connolly: That’s right, your apprenticeship. You’re a boilermaker.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. A fitter and turner by trade. But I got through all that stuff and I had my daughter and I started boxing again and got on my feet and I got my own place. And I got into coaching. Because I’d put on a lot of weight and I was embarrassed, and it was too hard to train seriously, doing an apprenticeship and trying to deal with a daughter.

 

And we were still normies back then. We weren’t some trad family. Beck was trying to be independent woman, and I was trying to enjoy time, trying to mix time with my mates, having parties, having fun with the baby. And work and apprenticeship. So there wasn’t a lot of boxing going on for three, or four years or three years.

 

And then I started boxing again in 2012, had a few more fights.

 

Graham Connolly: How old were you? 21?

 

Tim Lutze: 21, yeah. And Beck and I decided that we needed a sibling for our daughter, that we didn’t want to be too far apart.

 

Graham Connolly: Not a surprise that.

 

[20:13]

 

Tim Lutze: No, it wasn’t a surprise. We understood that we were young. We understood that I was still an apprentice and I was trying to box. And I was fighting again, and I entered the state titles and I got through the first round. And you fight week by week when you’re in the state titles to draw.

 

And so I was into the semi-finals. And the week before the semi-finals because it was two weeks apart, my son was born. And then basically I was like trying to cut weight and there was a week before the fight and he was waking up for feeds and I was trying to go to work, because we’re living pay to pay. We had $20 to spare at the end of every fortnight with an apprentice wage, our own place and all that.

 

Family support physically, but our families don’t come from money. So it’s like everything we did was like we did ourselves with little help from our parents. And they helped where they could. And they always supported us, but it was still hard.

 

And so I basically went to work and I just called up my coach and I was like:

 

“You’re gonna have to pull me out. I can’t make weight. Like, I can’t stay up all night and go to work.”

 

And so I hung up from there. And I drove straight to the servo and I got a meat pie and an ice break. And just filled myself up with dopamine because I was so full of cortisol! [chuckling]

 

That was the same thing. Then I got a new job at a really big company and all this sort of stuff. And the career really took off, and I was focusing on my two kids. It’s very hard to train every day when you have two kids. Very hard. But I’ve always trained. Like, I’ve trained three days a week, four days, but not enough to fight. Not enough to diet and fight and travel around Melbourne to spar at other gyms.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And all that sort of stuff. My coaches was getting into his 90s at this point. So I ended up buying my own house. And renovating, and doing all the nuclear family stuff and, …

 

Graham Connolly: Normie maxing!

 

Tim Lutze: Normie maxing. And then once I bought my house and it was renovated and I was happy and comfortable, I was in the right place to have a few more fights. So I had a few more fights in 2017. And then after those fights, I was coaching. There was a lot going on at the youth club I was at.

 

My coach had gone into a nursing home and he was the president for a long time. He was the head leader. You know, it was fascism. It was his way! And once he went into a nursing home, the committee, …

 

Graham Connolly: The committees!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, committees. So a group of vultures is called a committee. And he was the head of the committee. But he was the one person in charge.

 

Graham Connolly: Tom Sewell loves committees, doesn’t he?

 

Tim Lutze: No! No, he doesn’t!

 

Graham Connolly: [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: But yeah, he was in charge. And once he went into a nursing home, all these vultures took over the committee. Most of them were women and very feminist and used proxy voting and all these things from like, I’m not going to go into it, but, …

 

Graham Connolly: Beginning of the end.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it was beginning of the end. So it came to the point where they wouldn’t even let us open it up on Sundays because of regulations and all this stuff. And they wouldn’t let a spar if we had, … They were just making up rules because they just basically wanted to turn into a box fit club and not a, … And they’ve done this in Sunshine and other suburbs with youth clubs. They’ve basically pushed all the fighters and the boxers out and turned them into these box fit things for women in yoga pants or whatever.

 

And so we were training at just a commercial gym every Sunday and sparring and I’ll set up these big sparring days and we a couple time we had some guests come and some former World Champions and stuff come and watch the sparring. It was very funny, just in a commercial gym.

 

But after that we would get coffees and stuff and then there was a big group of us and everyone was telling me to open my own gym and I was saying:

 

“Nah.”

 

Graham Connolly: So you were a coach yourself at this point?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, I was a coach. Been a coach for a while, since Olivia was born, and I put on all this weight and my coach rang me up. This is the longest I didn’t train for. It was about six months. The longest I didn’t train for since I was 14 years old, was when she was born and all that. I was in a dark place. And he rang me up after six months and he said:

 

“Come back to the gym, mate.”

 

And I said:

 

“Nah, I’m fat and I’m embarrassed.”

 

And he said:

 

“Don’t be a bum. Just get to the gym. I’ll get your coaching licence.”

 

So I coached for a few years after Olivia was born. And then while I was coaching, I’d started sparring again and I was end up beating up the fighters. You know, these fighters were doing things, they were winning big fights and then he just pulled me aside again and said:

 

“Again, stop being a fucking bum. You’re beating these guys that you shouldn’t be. So start fighting.”

 

So that’s when I started fighting in 2012 again.

 

But anyway, so I stopped fighting and I started focusing on trying to build this gym. And in 2019, we opened this gym, and everyone convinced me and got behind me and it was awesome! We hit the ground running.

 

Graham Connolly: What was it called?

 

Tim Lutze: Legacy. Legacy Boxing Gym. And we thought of all these names to call it, and we sat around the table like a committee. And I’m not very creative. I’m not very articulate or creative.

 

So I was just asking everyone, I said:

 

“Go away for next week, come back with 10 names each and let’s see what we should call it.”

 

And we came up with all these weird names and people were saying, like:

 

“Oh, why don’t you call it Lutze’s Boxing or Tim’s Boxing?”

 

And what I said was:

 

“I don’t want my name attached to it.”

 

[25:51]

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: I’ve seen it. I’ve seen coaches do that and they’re like, “Team, whatever”. It’s like the coach’s name here, it’s like coach Smith, and it’s got “Team Smith” on the back, like these guys using their fighters to promote themselves. You know, it’s not something that I’ve ever sort of appreciated. But if people want to do that, that’s on them.

 

But it’s not something that I want to do. I want my fighters to do their own thing.

 

So one of the guys said to me:

 

“It’s really hard because it’s going to be about our coach, our coach’s legacy, and it has to be about our legacy going forward.”

 

And I was like:

 

“Yeah, it is hard. I don’t know what we can call it.”

 

So I just said:

 

“Leave the names with me.”

 

And we came back a week later and I said:

 

“I’ve got it. I know what we should call it!”

 

I said:

 

“We call it Legacy.”

 

And then the guy that said he leans over to me and he goes:

 

“Did I accidentally come up with that?”

 

And I was like:

 

“Yeah, you kind of did.”

 

So we all got together and I told him the name and I said because it’s about the legacy that was passed on to us from our coach and now the people that helped us get where we are. And it’s about your legacy going forwards. So everyone comes to the gym and creates their own legacy.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, legacy doesn’t belong to everyone. Your legacy belongs to you.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, that’s nice.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. The way you train, the way you eat, you sleep, will determine what your legacy will be.

 

Graham Connolly: Your legacy! Yeah. That’s nice. It doesn’t matter how many people you have in your gym, how big it grows, each individual has their own legacy to build. That’s cool.

 

Tim Lutze: And throughout boxing, what I’ve noticed, you know, from walking into Footskill Youth Club, a smart arse kid, and getting humbled and then starting my own gym and helping people build their own legacies, it made me realise that the lessons that boxing bring to life, like they’re comparable. You know, like boxing is a metaphor for life. You know, you can’t play boxing, you can’t sit on the bench when you’re tired, you can’t pass the ball to your teammate. And that’s how life is that’s how it should be anyway.

 

So how you train is how your fight’s going to go. You can’t cheat!

 

Graham Connolly: You can’t cheat.

 

Tim Lutze: You can’t do it easy. You can’t cheat on the bag. You can’t cheat when you’re skipping.

 

Graham Connolly: You can’t write the answers on your arm.

 

Tim Lutze: Nah, you know, yeah, you can’t cherry pick. You can’t stand in the goals and just kick it in, be a Striker.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You’re everything in the ring. You’re the defender, you’re the offender.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, and you control the pace or the pace controls you.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And you’ve got to deal with it. So boxing is just a good metaphor for life, and that’s what I’ve always found.

 

Graham Connolly: And there’s still some teamwork to it, like in training and stuff like that. But when it comes down to it, …

 

Tim Lutze: Nobody ever has success getting to a fight by themselves!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, exactly! So there’s still that aspect of teamwork, life, too.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: You got to be able to work with, …

 

Tim Lutze: You need guys, …

 

Graham Connolly: But then you still got to be able to do your part, your thing, and then that’s what the fight itself is, isn’t it?

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You need guys to train with, to spa with, to hit the bag with, to tell you to pick it up.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You don’t need to have twenty fights to tell me that I’m dropping my hands or I’ve got my chin in the air or like, I’ve seen people, they’ll be like:

 

“You can’t tell me what to do. You’ve only had one fight or you’ve had no fights or whatever.”

 

Like, it’s either my chin is in the air or it’s not. And so I would have young guys, I’d be sparring, another gym, would come, or a lot of the young guys would like to go to other gyms with you just to watch.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And I used to as well. I used to go with the older guys and watch them spar. They’re going to spar with some big names. And you come to the corner and your coach or your cornerman’s there. And then I used to look at the young guy or whatever and say:

 

“What am I doing wrong?”

 

And they’re just like:

 

“Oh, what are you asking me for?”

 

“You know, you can tell me if I’m keeping my chin in the air or whatever.”

 

And sometimes they give you good advice.

 

Graham Connolly: Sometimes they do. Even, like, I grew up, playing soccer was my game back at home, and I grew up with guys that were never very good at it. But then they had a really good head for it.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: They had a really good head for the tactics. Really good head that could coach it really well, you know?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: So it’s not always the best fighter that makes the best coach, not always the best player that makes the best coach.

 

[30:22]

 

 

Tim Lutze: But we started the gym 2019 and three months later, we just got put into Covid lockdowns for two years.

 

Graham Connolly: Oh, lovely. Brand new gym!

 

Tim Lutze: We were in the building for three months before Covid happened. But as quick as we’re in the building, the gym already had two fights, two wins.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, nice.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, two weeks before Covid. So we got in the gym, we built it. I was training the boys as we’re building it. One week we’re slipping on slippery concrete. The next week it was polished and covered so it had grip, and we’re drilling bags on the walls and they’re hitting bags and yeah, so we managed to squeeze two fights in and it was locked down for two years.

 

Graham Connolly: And what did you do during lockdowns?

 

Tim Lutze: We trained!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Was no fighting, was there? Was there no competition?

 

Tim Lutze: There was not for a year, but after a year, you’d come out of lockdown for like a month. And the fights had never been more busy. Somehow everyone been training. And everyone would put their fighters in and then they would have a card. Sometimes there were two cards in one day in the morning and an afternoon card, all the way into like seven o’clock at night. Just because there were so many people that wanted to fight. But everyone trained. I closed for about a month thinking that:

 

“Oh, it’s two weeks, they’re going to lock down for flatten the curve.”

 

And then you realise that it’s total bullshit! I think most of Victoria realised, oh, no, actually there were a lot of retards!

 

But yeah, I realised after a month it was bullshit! And I messaged the boys, said:

 

“This is what it is. Let’s go back.”

 

And it was only the very inner circle that was training and keeping it quiet for about until about six months. And then I was like, at that point, you’re like:

 

“We could lose everything, or we could just start training again and risk losing everything.”

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, what’s the difference?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, so I just told them, word of mouth, bring anyone you want, train. And like, we were never more busy than Covid, especially the end of Covid. Like, no one in Victoria gave a shit!

 

And then word of mouth just spread and it was just the gym was packed and yeah, that was a busy day. And then everything opened up and everyone started doing things again.

 

So it was like a quiet period after Covid. It wasn’t like we opened up and everyone was there. It was actually the reverse. We can go to restaurants!

 

Graham Connolly: Crazy, isn’t it?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. But, …

 

Graham Connolly: That was around, 2021?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, 2021, 2022. And, 2022 the gym had about 30 something fights. And we had three guys on the state team and I got a position as a State coach on the youth team.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And yeah, the gym was just flying!

 

Graham Connolly: So you got positioned as the State coach on the State youth team?

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And how many coaches on the, … What does that entail?

 

Tim Lutze: So you go, … I can’t remember. It’s about every three weeks.

 

Graham Connolly: Who are you coaching?

 

Tim Lutze: You kind of coach the whole group. There’s a lot of coaches because you’ve got to think that it’s a rolling tournament, the nationals. So you have to have two coaches in the corner for every fighter. So like you’re warming someone up, there’s two other coaches warming someone up.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: There’s two coaches in the ring warming someone up. And then there’s a head coach.

 

Graham Connolly: And you’re still running your own gym, Legacy?

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: So every three weeks you go to a different sort of, …

 

Graham Connolly: And you were still working?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, still work full-time. I’ve never, …

 

Graham Connolly: Still had two children.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Yep. Still had two children. And that’s where Beck really came into her own. And she just supported the house, supported the gym. And we were just able to, … And the kids. It was the happiest we ever were.

 

Graham Connolly: Just really found your feet.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: Look, we used to go camping every weekend before I had the gym. And I don’t think we went camping once, once we had the gym, but the kids, everyone were all happy. We loved camping. And during Covid we were camping in the gym and doing all sorts of fun stuff!

 

Graham Connolly: So you’re busy. You were doing this thing as a family.

 

[34:38]

 

Tim Lutze: For one of the kids birthdays during Covid we messaged a couple friends and we rang like a jumping castle guy to hire a jumping castle. And he was so happy to hear from us. He hadn’t had business in months. And we asked him if he’d be willing to bring it into a factory and keep it quiet and all that. And he bought us the biggest jumping castle and it was so cheap, and a free fairy floss and all this. And we just had this indoor party inside the gym. Yeah, it was really good! But we were so happy.

 

And we had a few fights during Covid. My boys had to, had to change organisation during Covid because some of them, well, some of them got vaxxed, but some of them didn’t want to get vaxxed. So I didn’t get waxed and so I was encouraging them not to. Some of them did for whatever reason. But they were training and they wanted to fight.

 

And if you switch organisations in Victoria, you’re basically black banned. It’s like a no, no, you do not switch organisations. They’re very militant about that.

 

So I went to the other organisation because the one, the association I was in, which is the Olympic Boxing Association, they said that they cannot fight:

 

“No, without vax they can’t fight.”

 

So I said to the boys.

 

“Your career is not over. Doesn’t mean we can’t fight. We’ll call the other organisation, we’ll check.”

 

And we rang them. I was open and honest, I didn’t lie. And I told them the deal and they said:

 

“All right, they can come and fight.”

 

So we went fight and one of my boys won the State title in that league. Which was awesome! It was an awesome moment. And he actually did it like in a country town against the hometown guy. And the crowd was rowdy as! And they were drunk and they were hitting the ring, …

 

Graham Connolly: How old was he?

 

Tim Lutze: Around 18.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Nice.

 

Tim Lutze: Around 18, a young guy.

 

Graham Connolly: That’s intimidating for an 18 year old, man!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And these guys were hitting the ring. The ref had to stop the fight a few times to tell the crowd to calm down. And he was just picking their boy apart.

 

And then after the fight it was like they were sort of pushing me, shoved me on the back like drunken. And it was like two police in there, just shitting their pants just:

 

“Like what are we gonna do?”

 

Two country cops like on the walkie talkies.

 

And then as the fight ends, my guy lifts up the guy’s his opponent’s hand and thumbs up the crowd. And the crowd loved that! And they just thought he was cool for that.

 

And then he got the decision and he won. And they kind of like, cheered him a little bit. And yeah, and we got out of the ring and they were like, slapping me on the back, like really hard! Like I was [chuckling] just like:

 

“Yeah, thanks.”

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah! [chuckling] It was good in the end.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it was good. It was good.

 

But then, yeah, we got the call from the Association, threatening, saying:

 

“Why did we do it? Why did we go in the other league? Blah, blah, blah, you know, why?”

 

Graham Connolly: You know why! You try to force my boys to get vaccinated!

 

Tim Lutze: I told him I didn’t want to, that I’d grown up in the association, that I know in all the committee in the association since I was a boy. And I did grow up with these men.

 

Graham Connolly: You were being diplomatic about it. You could have just told them to go, …

 

Tim Lutze: And so, yeah, they sort of said:

 

“Well don’t do it again, whatever.”

 

Like this is when everything opened up, and I was just questioned off the side. It wasn’t too official. But after that it was just fight, fight, every single week. You know, one of my boys had 11 fights in 12 months.

 

Graham Connolly: What!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And he made the State team, went national.

 

Graham Connolly: Nice. And geez, you would have been proud.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, I was. And so after that, they still made me State coach and that, because I had grown up in there. And the president of Victoria was my coach before he went into the nursing home. So I had really close connections with the coaches and the committee at Boxing Victoria and Boxing Australia.

 

Graham Connolly: This kind of leads us into the heavier stuff, doesn’t it?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it does. So everything was perfect. My job was good, …

 

Graham Connolly: In the background, though, you are, …

 

Tim Lutze: I had the nuclear family, I bought my house, I had my business, and everything was perfect, …

 

Graham Connolly: But in the background Covid as well.

 

Tim Lutze: No.

 

Graham Connolly: No, it wasn’t, was it?

 

Tim Lutze: No, Covid was over.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, Covid was over. But during all of this you are, like many of us, you’re being exposed to a different set of politics.

 

Tim Lutze: Yes. So that was my boxing journey. My political journey started like most Australians and Americans, I guess, was like around, 2016, 2017. You know, 2016, I was like watching the Trump campaign and Gavin McInnes and Ben Shapiro, …

 

Graham Connolly: Ben Shapiro and fucking, …

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that was my 2016. And I was a, I would say a nationalist. Like, I wasn’t civic. I’ve never been a civic nationalist. I’ve never thought that a piece of paper makes you Australian. Very few people think that.

 

Graham Connolly: Nobody thinks that!

 

[39:51]

 

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, very few people think that. And especially where I’m from, nobody thinks that.

 

Graham Connolly: Nobody believes that shit!

 

Tim Lutze: And so I never believed that. But I got into that 2017, I started my red pilling process, and I don’t really remember how it kicked off. But I had like a work mate that was telling me about the financial system, it’s run by the jews and World War II is a bit of a lie, and gave me some revisionist history. And I was very sceptical about it and I’m like:

 

“What about that Spielberg movie?”

 

Graham Connolly: And like, you have German, … So one side of your family’s German? One side English?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Anglo.

 

Graham Connolly: So they fought each other World War II?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. So both my great grandfathers were in the war and they both, … Well, my Anglo great grandfather was stationed in Japan and my German grandfather was in the Wehrmacht. But you know, it was a brother war, but they didn’t really fight each other. So my German side, they look at it as like a dark history of our family. My grandfather grew up in Germany and he went to communist schools and he took the trip to Auschwitz every year. And so indoctrinations in our schools are probably only starting to reach the levels they were in communist Germany.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. So like up until this point in your life, you hadn’t even really heard out the German side of the story.

 

Tim Lutze: No! Like it was something you don’t really talk about as a German.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, exactly! You don’t talk about.

 

Tim Lutze: No. You don’t talk about it.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, it’s a real dark part!

 

Tim Lutze: And it’s always brought up to you. Like soon as people, …

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, people bring it up to you, but you don’t want to talk about it. You just got an aversion to the subject.

 

Tim Lutze: And the people are like:

 

“Oh, you’re German. Heil Hitler!”

 

And then you’re kind of like:

 

“Oh, no, Hitler’s actually Austrian.”

 

[chuckling]

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You try to distance yourself.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, it’s like not racist thing.

 

Tim Lutze: So I was doing the revisionist history and that. And just getting all the normal red pills that you get, like David Irving and Ernst Zundel and you know, like, yeah, I just took that path and I watched the Greatest Story Never Told. And then around, 2018, Europa came out. I watched Europa. And I was depressed! I remember watching it. I was depressed.

 

Graham Connolly: Fucking right, man!

 

Tim Lutze: And I was telling everyone! And everyone thought I was crazy!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, I was trying to tell my mom and my family. They’re all just like:

 

“What’s wrong with you?”

 

I just found out this secret, this lie, and you want to tell everyone and you just start speaking, …

 

Graham Connolly: It’s the same story, it’s the same journey for everybody that comes down this path, isn’t it?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it is.

 

Graham Connolly: Where you feel like:

 

“I’ve just found this out! We have to wake everybody up. We have to tell everybody. Everybody has to notice!”

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And it’s futile, isn’t it?

 

Tim Lutze: And as this is going on, I’m having my struggles at the youth club with feminism and all these things like, attack on masculinity in my boxing gym. As if these two things were kind of related.

 

But I was really distracted with the boxing gym for a couple of years. And then, like trying to set that up. And then Covid hit. And then I knew who the enemy was!

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: Like, Covid showed me who the enemy was.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And I was really down during Covid when I couldn’t go to the gym and we weren’t training properly and like it was a long time. It was a long time. It feels like it wasn’t, but it was such a long time. And we started home-schooling, and I really loved that.

 

Graham Connolly: Did you check the “early life” of all the pharmaceutical company CEOs? [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: Early life? What’s that? [chuckling] But nah. So, yeah I was in a dark place.

 

And then, like I said the gym started opening up. And everyone started fighting. And I just immersed myself in the boxing, because that’s all I’ve ever done. And like I said, everything started going for me. I had every reason to just go back asleep.

 

Graham Connolly: Gaslight yourself!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. After the blue pill!

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: And just run my gym. Become Australian coach, go to World Games!

 

Graham Connolly: Had you read Mien Kampf?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And looking back on it now, didn’t he have a very similar journey where he kept taking the blue pill as well? Again, we all have a very similar journey. Where we basically gaslight ourselves, give ourselves the blue pill just because it’s easier!

 

[44:49]

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, I remember reading it and how much it made sense, and, … It didn’t, … I was actually underwhelmed by it. Yeah, I thought it was like this thing, like it’s banned!

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You read it and it’s like completely grounded!

 

Graham Connolly: A really reasonable guy that thinks like I think, like it’s all based in certain natural law.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, like I had this thing, …

 

Graham Connolly: That was like common sense! Yeah, he’s a common sense patriot.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, he’s a common sense patriot.

 

Graham Connolly: That’s right.

 

Tim Lutze: But yeah, so like I tried to distract myself with that stuff and everything was going for me and I had a good crew at the gym and you know, good inner membership. And 80% of my members knew about my views and we’d throw Romans in the gym and crack jokes.

 

I always say, there was one guy that I grew up with since I was 15 in boxing that I wasn’t honest with. He was actually a police officer, and we were completely different ideology. We’d have debates and that. But yeah I kind of regret not being honest. But I knew if I was honest with him I’d lose the friendship. Which as soon as I was doxed he had a key to the gym. He basically cleaned his locker out and left the key on the reception and left. And he’s never, never spoke to me and I never heard from him again.

 

Graham Connolly: Nice. Fuck! Hurts when that shit happens. But yeah, you knew that was going to happen though. That’s the funny thing about it.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, he definitely would have like not been surprised when he found out just because all the jokes and the Romans. But like I wasn’t honest with him and he was a friend of mine.

 

Graham Connolly: But like I mean there’s a way saying, you’re not honest with somebody is like who really is, … Just because of your politics is almost like you have to expose, you have to tell people, you have to be honest with people about your politics?

 

But most people don’t even talk about politics!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: We grew up with the never talk about religion, never talk about politics, never talk about money. That’s what we grow up with in the West.

 

Tim Lutze: Well that’s the problem though.

 

Graham Connolly: That’s a hundred percent the problem! Absolutely is the problem! But then for you to say though that:

 

“Oh, I wasn’t honest with this guy!”

 

It’s kind of like but who is nowadays? Nobody talks, …

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, in hindsight.

 

Graham Connolly: Like Westerners anyway.

 

Tim Lutze: But yeah, if I was honest he would have left anyway.

 

But yeah, I did pull all my inner circle aside and say that and we were following everything that was happening, …

 

Graham Connolly: Was you actually, after us talking about getting doxed now. But we haven’t even got to any, doxed for what, Tim? [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: No, well, this is what I was just saying. I was still so empty. Everything was perfect. The house, the dog, the kids, the business, the full-time job. And every weekend in a different location for fights and country fights and traveling over the state and interstate and it was gonna start going overseas. So I had every reason to just do that and I don’t regret not doing it time but I wish I wasn’t doxed, maybe if I had 12 more months in the boxing world, it would have been interesting.

 

But yeah, so I was empty, and my missus knew I was empty. Because I had this dark cloud. I had this dark cloud in my mind and just yeah this the world on my shoulders. And I thought about doing a lot of things, and I was kind of looking at the time they were developing active clubs in America.

 

Graham Connolly: Rondo [sp]

 

Tim Lutze: And yeah, I thought maybe I could do something like that.

 

And I did notice the NSN sort of come up on the project and these other news sort of a Current Affair shows and I thought that’d be, that’d be good too. But I did start following them and I started following, you know, Tom, Jacob, not Jacob. Oh yeah, Tom and Jazz CB, Hard Knocks and yeah. Just trying to think how I could get in contact with them and, or if I should get in contact with them.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And this was probably at the start of 22 and we know boys are fighting. I’m still distracted and but I’m still empty. And so then, … Tom went to jail!

 

Graham Connolly: Do you reckon that it was just something that was like:

 

“Fucking, I know this stuff and I have to do something about it!”

 

Tim Lutze: Yes.

 

Graham Connolly: I need to do something about it!

 

Like I have to fucking do something about this! I can’t just sit idly by and not do anything.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Tom went to jail during Covid. And then I thought it was kind of over like as I was thinking what to do during Covid because I was considering, … That was when, during Covid is when I was considering, …

 

Graham Connolly: That was when Tom Sewell?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. So during Covid when I was thinking about doing the active club thing, I was trying to think how could I do this? You know, because I’m from a very multicultural part of Melbourne and my gym was pretty multicultural. Where I live it’s just not possible to not be.

 

[49:51]

 

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, but plus that’s not what your gripe is with anyway, …

 

Tim Lutze: No, no.

 

Graham Connolly: It never has been for as long as I’ve known you.

 

Tim Lutze: So yeah, my gym wasn’t like a White gym.

 

Graham Connolly: No.

 

Tim Lutze: And you never, it never was planned to be. I was just trying to build an active club that could be.

 

But you know, the gym was never planned to be that. And it was never the goal. And so you know, we’re in Covid and Thomas is in jail, and I thought:

 

“Oh, that’s all over. That was kind of fun. That could have been something.”

 

Then Tom got out of jail and it was a little bit quiet for a while. I still thought it was over. I was just happy he got out and all this. But then some pictures started emerging and they were training and they were doing things and they organised a fight day. And I was thinking of attending that fight day but then I actually remember we had some fights on that weekend. So I ended up not like doing that.

 

But then Jimbo got stabbed in the neck. Jimbo Roberts got stabbed in the neck. And the cops didn’t seem to be investigating him.

 

Graham Connolly: Okay.

 

Tim Lutze: And that was it! That was like the straw that broke the camel’s back.

 

Graham Connolly: In the middle of Melbourne where there’s CCTV everywhere. Where you couldn’t fart without getting Arrested!

 

Tim Lutze: You were in the Org. [NSN]

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, I was in the Org.

 

Tim Lutze: I didn’t know that. So you were actually there. So you know all about that. And so I’m watching this from the outside and I was, …

 

Graham Connolly: The cops know who stabbed Jimbo in the neck.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, right.

 

Graham Connolly: They do. Let’s be honest. We know well they know. There’s no way they don’t know.

 

Tim Lutze: We can get in the cops later. I’ve got a lot to say about them! [chuckling]

 

Graham Connolly: But just in that particular one, they know who stabbed him. There’s no way you can stab somebody in the throat in Melbourne and not be on CCTV.

 

Tim Lutze: No, it’s like London. There’s just cameras everywhere.

 

Graham Connolly: Cameras everywhere.

 

Tim Lutze: So Jimbo was stabbed in the neck and he was in a coma for about two weeks, I believe.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And in his two weeks I was really angry! And I was and my missus just had enough. She could see the torment that was happening the conflict inside of me. And she just said:

 

“Just join! Just contact them or do something. Do something. Because you can’t keep living how you’re living.”

 

Graham Connolly: And she knew your, …

 

Tim Lutze: I would talk to her about everything!

 

Graham Connolly: So she’d seen all this stuff as well, and she’d seen The Greatest Story Never Told, herself?

 

Tim Lutze: No, no, no! She’s not like that. She calls it her “bubble”. Should stay in her bubble.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: I’ll be like:

 

“Oh, the Holodomor!”

 

She’s like:

 

“I don’t need to know that!”

 

She calls it her bubble. She wants to live in her bubble. So I try not to burst it.

 

Graham Connolly: But it’s awesome that she didn’t doubt you or anything. She didn’t even know about it, but trusted what you’re saying, what you believe and what you’re saying is right.

 

Tim Lutze: We’ve been together since high school, so she’s 100%.

 

Graham Connolly: She just knows.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, she knows. And she knows I’ve always provided and done everything. So she’s, …

 

Graham Connolly: She’d know you have a bit of a sort of a purity to you.

 

Tim Lutze: And she knew what was going on, and I was explaining it to her over the years from 2016, we’re in 2021 now.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And so Jimbo woke up and she’s like, encouraged me to join or “to do something” was her words.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep.

 

Tim Lutze: So I messaged Jimbo and said:

 

“Hey, mate, I’m glad you’re okay. I’ve got a gym if you boys want to come and train. Feel free to message me back.”

 

Graham Connolly: Beginning of the end of Legacy.

 

Tim Lutze: It was almost straight away, like, he messaged me and he said:

 

“I’ll speak to the big guy, or the big man.”

 

And then I was like:

 

“Oh, I know what that means.”

 

So I think it was like less than a week later, you know, him, Nathan Bull and Tom just walk into the reception at Legacy. And had the family there and took him through a boxing session.

 

Graham Connolly: And yeah, Nathan was in his early days then, too. Nathan was a bit soft in the belly and not very mature.

 

He’s a different man now, isn’t he? [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: He is. Like, I’m not even allowed to talk to him. That’s heartbreaking. Yeah, I’ve had a very close relationship with Nathan. He’s grown so much since I’ve joined. And I’ve tried my best to guide him. I hope that I’ve contributed to the man he is today because he’s a very staunch man!

 

Graham Connolly: I hope so, too. And you definitely have.

 

Tim Lutze: And loyal, and there is no situation that he wouldn’t have your back.

 

[54:11]

 

Graham Connolly: And you’ve seen it before. Even Tom’s seen it. If you remember. If you remember back, like, he, …

 

Tim Lutze: He used to annoy the shit out of Tom.

 

Graham Connolly: Yo! Oh! And you can understand why! Like, it wasn’t, …

 

Tim Lutze: If looks could kill, we wouldn’t have Nathan.

 

Graham Connolly: No. We wouldn’t!

 

Tim Lutze: He would blurt something out. And Tom would just, …

 

Graham Connolly: But a little bit of guidance. His loyalties is off the charts!

 

Graham Connolly: Nah. Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: Like, he’s just grown so much. And he’s a father now.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, and beautiful little girl.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: It’s just amazing, his transformation. It makes you realise what we’re doing. And I’ve seen it in the boxing gym and like people come in. You know, you get all types in the boxing gym, and people think that you get, … Not everyone’s a rough nut. Like, a lot of people start boxing because they’re not. Because they get bullied.

 

One of my best fighters at Legacy, he started because he had to leave different schools because he was getting bullied. And even when he was State champion, you know, he was in year 12 and he’s State champion, and these things were still happening and, …

 

Graham Connolly: Crazy!

 

Tim Lutze: And I just told him, like guys in the gym, it’s a rough area. So some of the other older guys in the gym were:

 

“I know, we’ll come down to your school.”

 

And I said:

 

“Just don’t. I’ve been there. Don’t do it. He’s almost finished school. Let him finish school. And then he can just worry about his boxing career or whatever it is he wants to do in life.”

 

Because it escalates! It escalates. And it was only words. It wasn’t physical, but like, yeah, he’d go to school and he could waste anyone he wants. But in areas that we grow up in, a fight doesn’t end once you bash someone.

 

Graham Connolly: No.

 

Tim Lutze: You know, that person has a cousin.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep. That’s the beginning.

 

Tim Lutze: These people are brown and they have cousins and friends.

 

Graham Connolly: And if you can’t beat you with these.

 

Tim Lutze: Oh, yeah, most of them can’t beat you with those. That’s why you’re gonna get stabbed or.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah, yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: So it’s like. Yeah, it was best just to let him do it.

 

Graham Connolly: He’s mad as a bat. [chuckling]

 

Tim Lutze: I can see it.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: But, yeah, so then I messaged Jimbo and then, yeah, he came down and trained with the boys. I think about a week later, I was added to the chats and Tom sort of put a message in the chats:

 

“I need some guys for something.”

 

And I said:

 

“Oh, all right.”

 

So I messaged him. I was at work, I messaged him and I said:

 

“Yeah, cool. What do you need?”

 

He goes:

 

“I need you to be here at this time and wear black clothing, and bring a mask.”

 

Graham Connolly: So kind of bizarre!

 

Tim Lutze: Well, I thought:

 

“What are we robbing a bank? What have I joined here? What are we doing?”

 

Like, I don’t think there was a rally before that.

 

Graham Connolly: Because I actually couldn’t get to that one. Yeah, so that would have been awesome! Even though I was a part of it for quite a while at that stage, we hadn’t done a rally. Yeah, we’ve just been training and training. And actually, I met you before that because you did train on a Saturday before that.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that’s what I meant. So that was during the week.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. You came to the park on the Saturday.

 

Tim Lutze: On the Saturday, Yeah, I was added to the chats and so I think it was that week. It was within seven days, roughly. Yeah, something like that. Right? Oh, no, maybe it was. Yeah, Saturday to Saturday. I think they came on a Saturday, it was like, Grand Final.

 

Anyway. Yeah, a week or two weeks. And then I get this message at work and so I was like:

 

“All right!”

 

And, yeah, there was a tranny in a park dancing for little children, and they’d seen it the day before, and they just impromptu rushed and made this our first rally and so, …

 

Graham Connolly: Demon flesh.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, I rocked up there and none of us were in, …

 

Graham Connolly: So it was basically one of these Drag Queen Story Hour type events, wasn’t it?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it was like, … And these were unheard of in Australia. Like there were a thing in America, but I don’t remember one before that. But they were very quiet. Even this one was quiet. And the only reason that I believe they found out about it is because one guy lives in the area and he’s seen a poster.

 

Graham Connolly: Yep. It was this weird satanic shit!

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, some tranny.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: That staples shit to itself on stage for, does adult shows.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah. And they were doing this for children.

 

Tim Lutze: Not stapling.

 

Graham Connolly: But this was especially for children.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, this was especially for children in the park.

 

[58:37]

 

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: So I rocked up there and Tom and Jimbo were standing there. There were some other boys around in the park. I was aware that they were there. I didn’t know who they were, or didn’t meet them.

 

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

 

Tim Lutze: And so Tom’s like:

 

“Did you bring a mask?”

 

And I stopped at the servo [gas station] and I got a black Covid mask. You know, like none of us were in matching black block. It was so ghetto! Yeah, we just ploughed along the field. Police tried to block us. We sort of pushed our way through and then yeah, there was the first rally. And we were in all the news and the papers.

 

Graham Connolly: And if anyone is watching this, look it up. It’s the Belial B’Zarr, I think it was called. Belial B’Zarr. Where was it? Moonee Ponds*.

 

[* Moonee Ponds is an inner-city suburb in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 7 km north-west of Melbourne’s Central Business District, located within the City of Moonee Valley local government area. Moonee Ponds recorded a population of 16, 224 at the 2021 census. Moonee Ponds is home to Queens Park and the Moonee Valley Racecourse. Wikipedia]

 

 

[The group of men staged the vile protest at Queen’s Park, unfurling two banners. One referred to Drag Queen Belial B’Zarr as “Demon Flesh” while another read “Drag Pedos Groom Kids”.]

 

Yeah. Moonee Ponds. The NSN went to protest in a park and there should be good videos. Go watch it.

 

Tim Lutze: Maybe someone can link it in the comments section or something. And then I was hooked! I was hooked. I had done something, you know, where I felt like I did something.

 

Graham Connolly: I was less than 10 minutes away, standing on the roof of a hospital that was currently under construction, trying to get away. And I had a photographer there that I was taking around.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And he cost like two and a half grand a day. And this was like 12 o’ clock.

 

And I was like going:

 

“You got enough!”

 

I was like literally just trying to get him to go, but he was like one of these guys that he’s dedicated to his job. I just wanted to get away so I could come and join you, but I couldn’t.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

 

Graham Connolly: And I missed that day. So I wasn’t hooked yet!

 

Tim Lutze: But, yeah. And then I was hooked and I just started training Saturdays and all that.

 

And yeah, I guess that brings us to the doxing.

 

Graham Connolly: So we start using Legacy, didn’t we?

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Well, we used Legacy one month and then we’ll go the next week we’ll go somewhere else and stuff.

 

Graham Connolly: Legacy was still Legacy? It was still Legacy, but you were welcoming of us.

 

Tim Lutze: So you was welcome to train with my guys and all that.

 

Graham Connolly: Which we did.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, you did. It wasn’t a Whites only gym or anything like that. And the majority of my membership, I had notified I was joining and I told him I was joining and especially the inner circle.

 

Graham Connolly: Most of them had no problem with it.

 

Tim Lutze: Yeah, no, no! And some of the boys who lived in the West would come and train at the Legacy sessions.