Mark Collett: Hello everybody and welcome to tonight’s stream. We’re live on Odysee, Rumble, DLive and Entropy. And I’ve got a wonderful panel for you here tonight to discuss the big issue of, well, the last week or so, and it’s obviously Trump’s war for Israel or Trump’s war on Iran for Israel, to be more precise.

 

Now, the guys I’ve got with me I’ll be introducing shortly. It’s of course Natty and Yuro from the Nationalist A-Team. We’re going to cover some of the things we covered last Sunday quickly. And then we’re going to go deeper into things. Everyone’s going to get roughly an equal time to talk. I’m not going to be putting people on an egg timer, but we’ve probably got nine or ten topics and if everyone puts sort of three, four minutes into each topic, it’ll be about a 90 minute presentation. So stick around. It’s going to be pretty entertaining or at least pretty enlightening.

 

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Now, the first is of course Natty. You know him from the Nationalist A-Team and also from numerous other streams that he’s done with me in the past. Natty’s a guy that’s been around since the beginning of PA. He’s been to all the meetings, at conferences, camps, etc, and he’s always someone that everyone likes hearing from.

 

In fact, I always say that if I had a wingman on PWR, it would be this guy here. Natty, how are you doing, my friend? I hope you are well.

 

Natty: Yeah, I’m good. I’m enjoying watching Tel Aviv burn. I’m sure we’re gonna talk about the ins and outs of what that means, but yeah, I’m good apart from that it’s been a bit of a crazy week trying to keep up with everything and I think my wife has suffered constantly looking across at me and seeing my face buried in my phone because I’m trying to, I’m monitoring the situation. But yeah, it’s very interesting times.

 

Mark Collett: Do you ever get it where you’re out on the sort of a supposed family event and the wife’s like:

 

“Why aren’t you paying any attention? All you’re doing is sitting on the phone. What can be so important that you need to be on your phone at this family event?”

 

And you’re like:

 

“Look, you know, Israel is on fire. Tel Aviv is being hit with hypersonic missiles. Chill out!”

 

Natty: It’s like:

 

“Honey, there’s cluster munitions going off above a suburb in Tel Aviv. This is really important. [chuckling] I’m watching it right now! It’s amazing!”

 

Mark Collett: Well, yeah, [chuckling] that’s kind of that’s kind of the str. I’d say that that’s the struggle that we have.!

 

Anyway, we’ve also got Yuro with us tonight. He’s obviously famous because Yuro used to do The Absolute State of Britain podcast.

 

And again, he’s a very able wing man. He has been on the National A-Team standing in for Sam. He always has good takes, he’s a funny guy and sometimes I bully him a bit, which is a little unfair, but that’s because I love him and see him as like my little brother, My little brother who needs the odd sort of monkey scrub and jab in the ribs, but he’s like my little brother, so I still love him.

 

Anyway, Yuro, how are you doing, my friend?

 

Yuro: I’m good. I’ve also been keenly paying attention watching Middle East Spectator and other such channels on Telegram. You know, it’s, I think there’s a lot more censorship obviously during the 12 Day War that was going on between Iran and Israel before. It was very much like:

 

“Well, what can we believe? How much are they not showing you?”

 

And it’s just that more. So we see all of Iran’s failures and then some things that’s like disinfo and we see all of Israel’s successes and then some, and some of that’s disinfo. And it’s kind of hard to even know what’s real.

 

[04:47]

 

Natty: That’s a good point actually because just briefly, it does seem like the information blackout from Israel was way more intense during the 12 Day War. And it seems like now because of the scope and the breadth of everything, just more is getting through or you’re able to find out more. And I’m sure this isn’t true, if you check the BBC or just some other like ZOG regime outlet, you’re not going to be seeing anything hitting Israel. But that’s what everyone’s interested in. That’s what everyone wants to see. [chuckling] You know, how many hypersonics hit Tel Aviv? This time, you know what US asset has just been blown up by a drone in Saudi Arabia or Bahrain or wherever it is. That’s what people are interested in seeing. They want to see the underdog smacking the bully in the mouth. And that’s what happens when a cheap Shahed drone gets through a multi-million dollar interceptor screen and like blows up a THAAD [Terminal High Altitude Area Defense] radar system or something. That’s what everyone’s into, right? Everyone wants to see that. No one wants to see like Iranian suburbs being like caught on fire and hit with JDAMs and hit with Tomahawk missiles because that’s just brutal civilian casualties, which is what ZOG [Zionist Occupied Government] is good at.

 

Yuro: Well, the funny thing is to see America in this war using the copy of the Iranian kamikaze drones. They’ve got their own basically one to one copy of the Shahed drone that they’ve now rolled out and they’re starting to fire back at the Iranians. Because it was just like the near perfect design that they’re like:

 

“We can’t make any better than this. We’re just going to copy it.”

 

Natty: Yeah. You know, for the grand and mighty American empire is reverse engineering Third World brownoid country drones [chuckling] that sound like lawnmowers when they’re flying through the sky!

 

But yeah, that’s what America’s up to these days. I mean, you can’t really claim it’s the European heritage stock that’s like the most genius country in the world. It’s just not that anymore, I’m afraid, guys.

 

Mark Collett: Well, I agree. But we’ve got a lot to talk about. So and we do actually have just. We do have a little sort of running order as well, tonight. I’m not going to read it out, but I was going to post it actually and say:

 

“Look, these are all the things we’ll be discussing.”

 

But there’s a lot to discuss and we’re going to go through things from the start. Now we’re going to speed run some of the bits we talked about on the Nationalist A-Team because for anyone who watched the Nationalist A-Team and enjoys it, look, it is a banger of a stream, except for when I get killed by somebody and get upset.

 

But other than that! It is a good stream. And if you want to watch it, there’s some takes there. And also there’s the Patriarch there as well who provides quite a lot of good comedy.

 

Anyway, so we’re going to start with the wider justification for this because there’s nowhere better to start than the official justification. Now, I’ve seen these videos where Netanyahu, they’re sort of like compilation videos of every time Netanyahu is claimed that Iran is sort of five months, five weeks, you know, two years from getting the atomic bomb. And he’s been doing this, believe it or not, for over 30 years!

 

So the first example I’ve seen of Netanyahu saying that Iran is just moments away from like nuclear weapon capability was actually all the way back in 1995. And the reason that’s interesting, …

 

Yuro: There are people dying in this war on the American side who have not been alive longer than Iran was supposedly two weeks away from a nuclear weapon!

 

Mark Collett: That’s a very good point. That is Yuro. But you get minus points for butting in. You’ve been told about that.

 

Natty: Oh, no [word unclear] battalion!

 

Mark Collett: Wiffle bat to give you a spanking. Right. So these fake nuclear claims that are interesting for two reasons.

 

Firstly, because they are blatantly fake! It’s been, to my knowledge, 31 years. And Yuro does make, … Look to Yuro’s credit, he makes a very good point. You know, the idea that this has been going on longer than some of the people on these American battleships have been alive is incredible!

 

But one thing that struck me immediately with this was I remember living through the time of the Iraq war. And at the time of the Iraq war, Weapons of Mass Destruction became one of the most maligned phrases to have ever been used in British Parliament, to the point that where if you now say “Weapons of Mass Destruction”, it’s sort of synonymous with war crimes, lies and a regime that took us into what was essentially an illegal war. You know, there was no Weapons of Mass Destruction.

 

But one thing that shocks me is this is the kind of thing where people just seem to have either forgotten this or put it to one side.

 

So the Daily Mail is a classic example of this. The Daily Mail is sort of the populist Right-wing, you know, vote Reform, consider voting Conservative newspaper. And they were all against Blair and the Weapons of Mass Destruction and exposing his lies and speaking out about it once it was exposed via the Chilcot inquiry.

 

But now the Daily Mail, like:

 

“We need this war. You know, usually we’re against war, but in this instance, this needs to happen!”

 

And you’ve got all these shill commenters in the sections underneath the Daily Mail articles in the comment sections, and they’re all saying things like:

 

“Oh, I’m against the war, but this is an exception.”

 

And I don’t know whether these are real people, idiot Boomer types or that’s not all Boomers. But you know, the sort. I mean the kind of person that says:

 

“Oh, well, I’m against the people on the small boats, but I would let the genuine refugees in all. Yes! And if somebody comes here and learns to speak English, well, he’s as British as Yorkshire pudding, isn’t he!”

 

Those sort. Is it one of them or is it a shill account?

 

[11:04]

 

But I think it’s really interesting that exactly the same justification for the attack is being used, as was used in Iraq. But the Iraq, War retrospectively is possibly the most maligned conflict and the conflict seen as the most unjust conflict. Probably post World War II. I’d have said that would have gone to Vietnam at one point, but Iraq seems to have, maybe because it’s more recent, seems to have eclipsed that.

 

So what do you guys think?

 

We’ll start with you, Natty. Obviously this is what they’re saying and we’re going to discuss next the real reason and what we think the real reason is. But what do you think to this sort of fake reasoning for going to war?

 

Natty: Well, just listening to you there, I haven’t done this because I was just reminded by what you said. But I’m fairly certain if you went back to the 2000s and had a look at the lead up to the Iraq war, you, amongst the Daily Mail articles, you wouldn’t find opposition to the actual war itself, because none of these publications were really opposed to it in any meaningful way and certainly weren’t like trying to rally people against the war. So you know, post Iraq war when everyone was kind of saying what disaster it was, I’m sure the Daily Mail were jumping on board that.

 

But as even now publications that you would think would be against the war in Iran are kind of talking around the edge of it whilst not decrying the war and certainly not being like anti-war, like proper anti-war publications and laying out all the connections between the Epstein regime and the people connecting in it like Mandelson and like Boris Johnson and Tony Blair and all the rest of it.

 

But yeah, it’s striking. I mean, one of the things I put in the chat earlier was that before this happened. Well, okay, let’s let me take it back a little bit. Before Iraq, the reason why the term “Weapons of Mass Destruction” became such a big thing is because the media and the government, Blair’s regime spent so much time and energy trying to get public approval for it, because they felt like, they obviously felt like they needed it. They needed a justification. They needed something to sell to the British people as to why it was a good idea, why it was necessary to go into Iraq.

 

Now that just hasn’t happened this time. Because I think they understand that the forces controlling the “Epstein Empire” as people are calling it, which is fairly apt, simply are not in the shadows anymore. You know, this stuff has been laid out. Israel is pulling the strings and it’s pulling the strings of America and it’s America’s pulling the strings of Europe because essentially Europe is just a colony of the United States. So they don’t feel they need to justify it so much.

 

Now, obviously there’s like regime mouthpieces and stoolies like Tommy Robinson and Douglas Murray, the Daily Mail and all the rest of it, who are now going out there and running cover and trying to make this war popular or make it so that it seems like:

 

“Well, it’s not a job any of us want to do, but it’s necessary and we need to do this for stability and peace!”

 

But I just don’t think the public are buying it. And the public for the most part didn’t buy it with Iraq, but that doesn’t stop that happening. And they’re not buying it with Iran either.

 

But there hasn’t been a groundswell of opposition to it in the same way as Iraq because they haven’t spent so long trying to justify it. And for a lot of people this just came out the blue. Not for anyone who’s kind of a properly dissident to the kind of Epstein Empire. This didn’t come out of the blue. This was fairly predictable. But probably just for your average person sitting at home and getting on with life, this kind of immediate blow up in the Middle East, where oil prices are about to skyrocket, petrol prices creeping up and we’re probably about to experience an energy crisis, just came out straight out of the blue! And the justifications, unlike Iraq, are all post hoc. They, it wasn’t a media build up to a war, it’s like a media cover plot after the war has started.

 

Yuro: What I find interesting as well is as you say, with the Iraq thing, there was a lot of build up and there was:

 

“Let’s get the UN involved, let’s condemn them, let’s build a coalition, let’s get Britain involved.”

 

But the other thing is they never said Iraq has a nuke. It was always this nebulous “Weapons of Mass Destruction”. And it’s kind of like the, well, we’re going to say that they have Weapons of Mass Destruction and that’s like we will say:

 

“Oh, actually they have chemical weapons which we’re going to classify as Weapons of Mass Destruction. And we’re going to hope that we can gin that up in people’s minds to be like, ‘Oh, they have a nuclear weapon’.”

 

And it was like:

 

“We won’t explicitly state they have a nuclear weapon. We’ll just try and make people think they have a nuclear weapon.”

 

And then there was the thing about:

 

“They can strike us in 45 minutes with their Weapons of Mass Destruction!”

 

But now they just come out and say:

 

“They’re building a nuke!”

 

It’s not Weapons of Mass Destruction. And as you say, that’s because the term is just completely lost all validity. You know, people at the moment, they hear that, they just know it’s Iraq, War 2. But they’re not even like trying to do that lesser thing.

 

It’s kind of like what they do with racism, where you’ve got like the small definition and the big definition. The Weapons of Mass Destruction is like what they do with racism.

 

So if you’re a “racist”, it’s like you just think that different people are different and you care about your own people. Well, that’s a racist. But the moment you get labelled a racist, it’s like you’re a “supremacist who wants to murder everyone who’s not you”. Well, the Weapons of Mass Destruction is chemical weapons could be a weapon of mass destruction, but the moment you get labelled with that, all of a sudden:

 

“You’ve got nukes, you’re dangerous!”

 

[17:31]

 

Natty: Yeah. And the 45 minute claim was like, they can hit the tip of Cyprus. If they drive a Scud launcher right to the edge of the Iraqi border and fire it, they might just be able to hit Cyprus! And that was translated into British headlines as “British territory”. Yeah:

 

“They can hit us in 45 minutes! Oh my God, the sky’s falling!”

 

And the reality was, it was Scud missiles and some Sarin gas artillery shells which have a range of about 10 or 15 kilometers, which they used in Halabja [1988 against Kurds] apparently. I mean, we saw, I, we got trained on that in the CBRA regiment of what happened in Halabja with the Sarin gas shells. But that was passed into, like you said, Weapons of Mass Destruction. Very nebulous. Well, not easy to disseminate term, but very little detail and very little meaning. And you could say to people:

 

“Well, they’ve got Scud launches on trucks which can fly however many kilometers it is, and they’ve got some Sarin gas shells.”

 

But these, in terms of where the United Kingdom is and the rest of Europe, these are absolutely meaningless! And again, it was just to justify the Greater Israel Project and take out one of Israel’s enemies and destroy one of Israel’s enemies.

 

Yuro: Well, I was having to think about this before we started this stream. And I said to myself, you know:

 

“There is one state, there is a rogue state in the Middle East that has Weapons of Mass Destruction.”

 

And by that I mean a boatload of actual nuclear weapons. And they have the capability of targeting Britain, …

 

Natty: And if rumours are to be believed, then the Samson Option is a real thing and Israel is the lunatic state that has no compunction about using these things. Now, I don’t know if that’s a real thing or whether that’s just something that gets disseminated to scare everyone.

 

But you’ve got to remember the only people who have used nukes as an actual weapon of war against living targets is the Epstein Regime in the Second World War. And I don’t separate the people who are running America now from those people. I mean, it’s the same group of people.

 

Yuro: If you look at the way that they behave on the world stage, the way that they behave against the Palestinians, the way that they behave against the Iranians, it wouldn’t be out of character for them to just lash out at everyone else for “not defending them hard enough”. But according to the publicly available information, they have intercontinental ballistic missiles with a range of 11 and a half thousand kilometers, which basically means they can hit everywhere on the planet with the exception of kind of east Australia, New Zealand and some bits of South America.

 

Natty: So those parts of South America where all the Nazis fled to, so unfortunately they [chuckling] can’t touch them!

 

Yuro: The parts where Javier Milei, who’s converted to Judaism, is currently in charge.

 

Natty: Oh no!

 

Yuro: And they might also not be able to quite hit Mexico where (((Claudia Sheinbaum))) is in charge.

 

Mark Collett: Oh, dear! Well, talking about the control that jews wield, let’s talk about what we think is the real reason for this.

 

Now, I’m going to go straight out and say it. I believe the real reason for this is the Greater Israel Project. I think the Greater Israel Project is something that has gathered pace in the last few years, especially under Trump. We’ve seen the attacks on Gaza, we’ve seen the attacks on Lebanon. We’ve seen the fall of the Syrian regime, which was obviously heavily influenced by Israel, who were helping Islamic terrorists in the region. You know, the head chopper ones that we’re told are the great threat to peace and justice and decency, yet Israel is actually supporting those people!

 

And we’ve also seen Israel be involved in the fall of other regimes. Israel were famously involved. And this came out in the Chilcot Inquiry. I actually did a video on this. Israel were very famously involved with meeting, … And Tony Blair admitted this under oath in the Chilcot Inquiry. He met influential jewish leaders from the then current Israeli regime. And he said:

 

“The meetings had nothing to do with military intelligence. They had everything to do with overall strategy and long term goals.”

 

So take that as you will. But I’m taking that as they were heavily involved in getting rid of Saddam Hussein.

 

[22:24]

 

And I think it’s obviously within Israel’s interest to topple almost every sovereign regime in the region. And they do this quite openly. They are doing it more openly now. They’re getting away with it, sadly. And this is a blatant example of that. Although they’ve loosely talked about the nuke thing, like we said, Natty did make an important point that they felt it’s less necessary to sell this like they sold the Iraq, War. And in some interviews, members of the American regime have simply said:

 

“Yeah, we just want to kill these people. We want to kill them, we want to take them out. This is about regime change. This is about Israel.”

 

And I believe it was Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, who said:

 

“It was Israel who forced our hand. They began this and we are there to defend them and assist them. So when they began the attacks, we were forced into going along with it.”

 

Now, Trump then furiously denied this, but it’s a very interesting admission from Marco Rubio.

 

So I think this is all about the Greater Israel Project. And I believe that has been the driving force or the driving ideology behind the destabilisation of the Middle East.

 

Natty: Yeah, totally! And it kind of behooves me to say this and to get people to realise that whereas we’re living kind of day to day and prices of things go up and you’re worried about your children. We’ve been totally separated from any idea of our history and our lineage and where we’ve come from and where we might be going.

 

So it’s kind of hard to understand for us the jewish mindset. And this is a plan that’s been in the making for a very long time, years, decades, where once Israel was created and they have a vision of the Greater Israel Project. There’s a whole, there’s a list of countries. Libya, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Egypt. And through various machinations, they’ve all been, one by one, they’ve been taken out or pacified. Egypt is basically paid off by the United States and is under the sway of Israel, has a border with Israel, but it doesn’t do anything about their genociding of the Palestinians and the destabilising and eventual collapse of the Syrian state. What happened in Libya with Gaddafi ending up with a bayonet up his bum, dragged out into the street, and the subsequent flooding of Europe with migrants, which is a kind of side issue we can get onto if you want. But all of this, …

 

Mark Collett: I’ve got that further down the line, mate, that comes at the end, if you look at the show notes, I’ve actually said:

 

“You know, what are the actual repercussions for this, both for the West and for the Middle East?”

 

And that’s one of the things we will talk about.

 

Natty: Yeah, for sure. And it’s clear now, I mean, in my opinion and the opinion of other people who have been following this, that the reason Trump was so heavily pushed into a second term was that the people who are running him and the jews in Israel believe that he was the best chance of getting this done. You know, this final push to topple Iran, which basically gets rid of the last bastion of resistance to Israel. And you’ve got to think:

 

“Well, why is Israel so hell bent on getting rid of people who resist them?”

 

You think, well, the people who are opposing them, the only real people who are opposing them, committing genocide in Gaza, Europe was on board with it. The United States was supplying them with bombs and had carrier groups in the Mediterranean. The United Kingdom, our own government, was flying surveillance flights over Gaza and letting Cyprus be used as a refueling and an air base for Israel. So Europe was aiding in the genocide in Gaza.

 

And it was only Hezbollah and you know, funded via Iran that was really attacking, and the Houthi rebels in Yemen, who were attacking Israel and trying to hold them account for genociding the Gazan people. And that’s unacceptable for Israel to have that resistance in the region, even though the attacks on it are totally justified and being used as like, defense against people who are being hurt and destroyed in this like, brutal way by this lunatic, lunatic group of people who have been squatting on the edge of a Mediterranean.

 

So the justifications the real justification is the toppling of Iran as a coherent state. And I’ll touch on this before I pass this over to Yuro. But there’s talk of regime change. You know, that’s what they say:

 

“We’re trying to enact regime change here.”

 

But that isn’t quite true. They’re not really interested in a regime swap where they swap one regime for another. What they’re interested in is total destabilisation! Just like with Syria, just like with Iraq, just like with Libya, where these are just failed states with tribal warlords with like Mossad and CIA run groups running around HTS, ISIS, all of these people. Which means no coherent defense, no missile bases, no civil defense, nothing! Just a load of groups that you can pay this group to fight this group and you know, you can pay these guys or stop paying these guys and just let chaos reign while Israel just expands and expands and expands and gets to do what it wants.

 

You know, kind of reminiscent, I’ll just finish on this. Kind of reminiscent to how if you import millions and millions of foreign people into a small island nation, it also becomes destabilised and coherent resistance or coherent defense or coherent politics kind of become very difficult and a very well motivated minority can rule the lot! So there’s your answer as to the real reasons for this war.

 

[28:45]

 

 

Yuro: A few things I wanted to pick up on there. Just as Mark was speaking, you kept using the term “regime”. And that’s like one of those MKUltra trigger words that they’ve put in people’s minds that like “regime is bad, regime is authoritarian, evil government”. It was all it was always the “Saddam regime” and the “Iran regime”. They’re just governments. They’re a different form of government. You know some of them are more or less Democratic than others, but it’s like this regime thing is a trigger word. And along that same lines, Natty, you mentioned the Houthis as “rebels”. I think the ones that we call Houthis are pretty much just the government of Yemen now. I mean, and they have pockets of what’s left of the people that they overthrew. But they’re basically just the government of Yemen. They’re not rebels anymore. They’re not a regime, they’re just that government.

 

But obviously this was all part of a plan. This is something that they’ve been going at for a very long time. They had the Project for a New American Century [PNAC] where they said we want to hit like seven countries in 10 years. And they’ve basically got all of them.

 

I mean, they wanted to get Iraq, they wanted to get Syria, they wanted to get Libya, and of course it’s neocon jews behind it all.

 

So that’s been happening for a very long time. There’s a reason why they caught a bunch of jewish Israelis dancing on 911*, already filming before the first plane went into those towers. They were dancing around, they were happy because they knew that was the excuse that they needed to start their own genocidal campaign. And it’s like dominoes falling. They get this one, then they get that one. And I mean, what happens to Libya? He, Gaddafi, gave up his weapons, chemical weapons and things like that.

 

[* 9/11: A false flag carried out by ZOG with Israel being the lead behind its planning and execution. The aim was to unleash the War OF Terror on the countries around Israel, among other aims. See See Also links below, especially the work by Christopher Bollyn.]

 

And as soon as they were gone, they were like:

 

“Right, well he’s defenseless, we can go in there and kill him now!”

 

So that’s what they proceeded to do.

 

And the other thing as well, like looking at what they’re doing to Iran, I mean, you talked about them wanting to destabilise them. As far as I understand, because they can’t really hit these military targets. They don’t know exactly where all the underground bases are and where they’re being launched from. So they’re targeting, I mean, apart from like primary schools for girls and things like that, which they do just because they’re evil and want to blow up kids when they’re not abusing kids in other ways, they’re just like targeting police stations and things like that. Just like blow up all the police stations in the country and hope it destabilises that way!

 

And of course they had this gayop a few weeks ago, maybe a month ago now, where they tried to incite some sort of terrorist uprising in Iran and that failed.

 

And obviously they wanted to coincide these two things at the same time.

 

Natty: But I was going to say that was obviously hilariously mistimed. [chuckling] Right? So they fermented this terrorist uprising and meanwhile they haven’t got all like the military assets in place to strike it. I mean, you might have a better idea of this than me, you guys, but maybe they thought in the January uprisings that they like funded all these terrorist groups to try and overthrow the government of Iran. Maybe they thought that it was still going to be going on now while they moved all these carrier groups and pulled their troops out of the Gulf oil state bases. Maybe they thought it was still going to be going on and that the Iran government was still going to be fighting these guys, but it was crushed within like a few days. Right!

 

Yuro: I have a feeling that maybe they were trying to like wait a little bit longer, but it was about to be compromised and they thought:

 

“If we don’t do it now, we miss the opportunity entirely.”

 

So they had to launch it. And they spent so long getting carriers into place to attack Iran because they’ve had these problems with the sewage system on the Gerald Ford, which obviously some people are saying that’s like a deliberate thing, that soldiers or sailors have clogged the tubes on purpose to destroy the system because they don’t want to go and die and be the next false flag. But they’ve had problems with that before. So it’s not entirely out of the realms of possibility that it is sort of coincidental to some degree.

 

But yeah, obviously that was something that delayed them. So I mean we can be glad about that because it’s meant that Iran’s not facing these two things at the same time.

 

Natty: I’m not sure. Look, I’m not a, like a military analyst or anything, but I’m not sure even if the like Epstein empire, the Epstein regime, had fermented this terrorist uprising whilst they carried out this first strike against Khomeini in a little girl’s school for some reason, whether if those two things occurred, coincided, even then, whether they’d have been able to pull off this kind of toppling of the regime. It seems like, …

 

Yuro: Regime?

 

Natty: Look, [chuckling] it’s the word everyone uses here! I can try, but I’m as susceptible to the MKUltra* terms as everyone else. Right? I’m just not sure it would have worked even if they had pulled it off at the same time.

 

[* MKUltra was a covert program run by the CIA from 1953 to 1973. Its primary goal was to explore methods of mind control and behavior modification through various means, including drugs and psychological techniques. MKUltra is widely condemned for its unethical practices, including: Lack of Consent: Many subjects were unaware they were part of experiments. Abusive Techniques: Included torture, isolation, and drugging without consent. The term MKUltra is a CIA cryptonym: “MK” is an arbitrary prefix standing for the Office of Technical Service and “Ultra” is an arbitrary word out of a dictionary used to name this project.]

 

Mark Collett: Well, look, we’re going to go on to that anyway, so let’s move a little bit further forward because there are other things we want to talk about.

 

Now, I think the next thing we need to talk about, we’ve placed this into context, talk about the Greater Israel Project. Now I think the next thing that’s very important is discussing the issue of these fake negotiations that America has had with the likes of Iran before all of this kicked off.

 

And they obviously had similar sort of fake negotiations with, I think it was Venezuela, didn’t they? And then they go in anyway. This is something that America started doing, you know, fake negotiations, but then we come and get you anyway.

 

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Yuro: I think they had a similar thing with the, like Hezbollah and Hamas, didn’t they?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, there’s multiple examples.

 

But what I’m getting at is a real, and we won’t labour this because we spoke about this extensively on the Nationalist A-Team the other night, but when we were talking about that, we did make the point that fundamentally at one point the idea of going in somewhere you know, negotiating, but then using negotiations as a reason or as an excuse to then hit another country. So the negotiations aren’t real negotiations. They’re cover that gets the other side to drop their guard. So, it’s like walking up somebody in a bar saying:

 

“Look, mate, let’s just settle this amicably. Let me buy you a drink. What do you want?”

 

And when the other guy turns to have a look at the list of craft beers, you sucker punch him! You know, that’s an underhanded thing to do. Everyone would be like:

 

“Wow, that’s pretty much scandalous! We don’t want to see that kind of behaviour. That’s the kind of behaviour that’s not becoming of an honourable man.”

 

And there used to be this narrative that the West was honourable, that we were the good guys. And I’ll say these fake negotiations are being used as a means to cover up an attack which is I’m imminent. I do think that is a really shady thing to do.

 

And I think that as time goes by, we are going to see more and more people be unwilling to negotiate with the West. Like, why would Vladimir Putin or China or any other nation, North Korea, negotiate with Trump? Why would any foreign leader trust going to America or sitting in a negotiation room with the Americans when they assassinate leaders, carry out fake negotiations, use the hand of friendship to lock their opponent’s hand in place before they sucker punch them? You know, it’s like holding one hand out to shake the other guy’s hand and when he starts giving the handshake, you just sucker punch them! You know, it’s awful! I mean, what do you guys think to this?

 

I think this is going to fundamentally change the way, the implication of this, is going to change the way that every other nation does business with America. And it’ll put America on a even people like the Europeans, who are essentially vassal states of America, are not going to be trusting of Trump again or America.

 

Yuro: Well, Europe is already not going to be trusting of Trump and America because of the whole thing with Greenland for a start. But I mean, I hope at the end of this, obviously Iran’s going to hold out. They’re going to continue to resist until America and Israel, …

 

Mark Collett: This is the summation, what you hope for comes at the end, like, stay on, …

 

Yuro: It’s related to this! It’s related to this. I was going to say I hope that Israel and America run out of interceptor missiles. Iran fights them to a standstill. And they say:

 

“Right, we will negotiate with Trump in this place.”

 

He goes there to negotiate, and then, …

 

Natty: They just blow him up! [chuckling]

 

Yuro: And it would be entirely justified on moral grounds and on the grounds that it’s already been done to them.

 

Natty: They would cry bitter tears if the same tactics they had used, these same underhand, cowardly, sniveling, weak tactics were used on them! And this is something to point out to. I say I’m gonna use Boomer, but, like, Boomer mindset, Civnat, kind of Tommy Robinson-tard mindset where like:

 

“Oh, yeah, no, we’re the good guys and we should stamp these dirty terrorists into the ground! They’re terrorists!”

 

It’s like your pedo jew empire assassinates little girls for some reason, I guess because they’ve just got bloodlust and we can talk about the Purim Fest, if we want. Assassinates little girls, assassinates world leaders, which is supposed to be off the table. Totally violates, like, any notion of the Geneva Convention or the kind of rules of war and does it in a cowardly way. This is like your medieval knight marching out to the front of a battle under a white flag to negotiate terms and then just pulling a knife and stabbing the negotiator. Your entire army would be, they’re like, forfeit. And the enemy army would be totally justified in just slaughtering prisoners and like, just pillaging and doing whatever it wants at that stage! You’ve set the rules. You’re supposed to be the powerful, the one who’s setting out exactly how things are going to go down. And you open the conflict or the latest round of the conflict with an underhand cowardly assassination under the flag of truce and blowing up 170 schoolgirls! Well, I’m sorry, but what space have you now given for quarters? None! And no one’s going to trust you, and they shouldn’t trust you.

 

And the other world powers looking on Russia and China, who we’re going to touch on in a little while, like Mark said, they’re not going to be trustworthy. They’re going to have that in their minds anytime America tries to talk to them, anytime the jew empire reaches out to say:

 

“Oh, we just want to discuss the Ukraine war and negotiate terms in the Ukraine war.”

 

And like, Yuro said, they would be totally justified in shooting down like diplomatic planes, like bombing, like delegations, peace delegations, assassinating the head of state. Who’s to tell anyone now that that is a wrong or immoral thing to do now that supposedly the world police and a global superpower and the most moral army in the world, Israel, has carried out exactly that, such a thing.

 

And I don’t need to belabour the point, but they’ve been doing this for a long time. And you can look back as far as Dresden and the nuclear bombs dropped on Japan, to say:

 

“Well, that’s how these people act! And people who oppose them should act accordingly and plan accordingly.”

 

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Mark Collett: Well, I agree. And not only this or not only what you guys have said, but I do think it’s very interesting that on top of everything you guys have said, there is also the issue of Russia and Zelensky.

 

Now obviously if Russia had wanted to, they could have bombed Kiev, day one of the conflict and absolutely just beheaded the regime. Now Russia never did that. Now I’m not saying Russia are the good guys or shilling for Russia, but it is an interesting comparison to see that everything that Russia has been accused of, the West has done and the West has done it in a much more sort of egregious fashion. It’s quite interesting.

 

And this so-called “Axis of Evil” now appears to be far less evil than the “good guys”. The “good guys” have shown, I said that in inverted commas. Have shown their hand. They’ve, it’s a mask off moment. I don’t know if anyone wants to add something to this because we did talk about this a lot, but I’ll give you the chance to follow up if anyone wants to talk about this.

 

Natty: Yeah, go on. Yuro, you go first.

 

Yuro: I was just gonna say it’s a complete moral inversion. It’s, we are supposedly the good guys because we fight against the bad guys. And they’re all terrorists. They’re inherently evil. I was listening to, I think this was on the Daily Shoah they were talking about basically the term “terrorist” is a social construction. It’s just a word we can use to label somebody and all of a sudden their grievances illegitimate. We don’t have to stick to the rules of engagement. We can just murder them, we can murder their families and put them in jail. We just put this label on them and they are inherently evil.

 

But you know, the Ayatollah was never in the Epstein files. That’s the difference.

 

Natty: Yeah, the Ayatollah never called me a goyim or demographically replaced my people or ethnically cleansed my people. So you know, what beef do I have with the Ayatollah, at this point? And like Mark was saying, the Russians opened Ukraine, the Ukraine conflict by striking out military targets. They were landing at Hostomel Airport and controlling like major supply routes. And the Jewpedo regime starts its war with an assassination of a leader, or a spiritual leader. Not a military strategist or anything like that. A spiritual leader who’s in his 80s as well as his granddaughter and his family members all blown up. And like blowing up a school with 12 to 17 year old school girls in it. Now you tell me, yeah, you tell me who the bad guys are.

 

Yuro: It’s worth pointing out as well that the entire war in Ukraine or although it was something that had been kind of slowly building up for a while, that NATO had been expanding further and further eastward, it was really brought to the fore because Russia was supporting Assad in Syria. And the Epstein empire had to take out Syria in order to stop Iranian weapons getting to Hezbollah and getting to Gaza.

 

And so they started this whole other conflict to take Russia’s focus away from helping their allies in Syria. And that allowed them to get in there and destroy Syria. And it’s all part of the same program.

 

Natty: The same grand strategy. Yeah, I think people, a lot of people kind of don’t seem to understand that. They’re like:

 

“Well that seems, that seems too far fetched that the Pedojew regime would start a war with Russia in Ukraine just to help topple the Syrian government. Or the Pedo jew regime would kidnap a South American president just to support an ongoing or like support a future war against Iran with oil, you know, oil routes and all the rest of it.”

 

Because people are like:

 

“No, that can’t be right, you know, 50,000 Ukrainian men dead and God knows how many Russian men dead just to tie up Russian forces to leave Syria exposed?”

 

It’s like:

 

“Yeah, that’s how these people think. That’s what they’re willing to do.”

 

And that’s what they did do. And in Syria, Russian troops, Russian air power in Syria was halting Israeli aggression and you know, Western aggression. It was the CIA, it was MI6 and was Mossad, was paying ISIS, which has now become HTS, which is basically ISIS, to mess up Syria and mess with Assad and sanctions on Assad’s government that was turning the place inhospitable. Making it so that just to live there was pain and it wasn’t the government was obviously suffering and trying its best, but the people suffer when you put sanctions on a country. So on behest of like jewish paedophiles and Israel, America just makes people’s lives a misery around the world, everywhere! You know, Ukrainian men dead, Syrian families wiped out, little girls in Iran, hundreds of thousands of civilians everywhere, in Iraq, in Gaza, in Libya, all dead! Because jewish paedophiles just cannot get enough blood.

 

Yuro: And until the extent that they have any support for the Israeli regime in places like the UK, people in the UK who support Israel, they see this as a war against the Muslims. And they hate Muslims because of what gangs of Pakistani men do to White girls after jewish people like Peter Mandelson and his friend Tony Blair, people like that brought them to our country.

 

And it works for them both ways because it destroys the youth of the British people. It destroys our homogeneous country. It creates resentment against Muslims which they can then use and say:

 

“Well, don’t you hate the Muslims, you hate the Pakistanis who are raping children over here!”

 

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Natty: Yeah:

 

“Live vicariously as we bomb them in the Middle East. Oh, we’re getting those dirty Muslims for you know, goyim! Don’t worry, we’re bombing them. You love it, don’t you? Rah, rah, ra! Let’s go Israel! Israel’s defending you! If we weren’t fighting them here, you’d be fighting them in your streets!”

 

Well, how? Okay, thanks, Schlomo. How did they get onto my streets in the first place? Anyone fancy answer that, answering that question?

 

Mark Collett: No, that’s a very good point. Now obviously we discussed that.

 

So when we discussed the Ayatollah being killed, we’ve discussed the schoolgirls being killed. I mean, know, as you said, the paedophiles are now murdering children. And this says something about America and Israel.

 

Now, I don’t think this was an accident. I don’t think that school being hit was in any way an accident. I think they did that on purpose. I think that’s the sort of people that they are. I think they do things like this because it pleases them to do things like this. And it pleases them to do things like this because to them this is they could avoided doing this, but they don’t want to avoid doing this. What they want to do is they want to cause as much hurt and pain as possible. Now these missile systems that they have, they are probably the best missile systems in the world. They understand where they can strike and where they can’t strike. Those missiles are pretty damn accurate.

 

So when they hit a school, I think that’s by some sort of sick design. I don’t believe it’s accidental. I don’t know if you guys want to add anything to that.

 

Natty: Yeah, there’s a term called “sub-metre accuracy” and I think Tomahawk missiles, I’m not sure about JDAMs, but certainly Tomahawk missiles and the types of missiles that the Jewpedo regime uses all have sub-metre accuracy.

 

So the claims about:

 

“Well, this girl school was next to a Iranian military base or something.”

 

These munitions have sub-metre accuracy, which means they can target within a metre, which is where they drop these bombs. I mean, are we supposed to pretend that the Pedojew regime is somehow like squeamish about blowing up children and civilians? A regime that goes out of its way to target hospitals and suburbs and then when it’s blown up the hospitals and suburbs, then blows up the tent cities that spring up around it to house all the refugees and injured people that you’ve just like totally displaced.

 

So these people are not squeamish about killing civilians then. They never have been. They never have been. Not for the last 70 years and probably not before that.

 

Yuro: We’re always told that we have the most advanced, precise, ultra accurate munitions. We can take out a terrorist in a crowd without killing anyone else:

 

“Oh, look, we dropped a bomb dead centre on that school. Total accident! We don’t know how it happened!”

 

Do you remember when they were attacking Gaza? I mean they’re always attacking Gaza, but in particular in the aftermath of October 7th and there were various organisations that went there to try to provide food relief and they had a car with a big logo on the top that says, “Food Kitchen”. It’s a non-governmental organisation, it’s a charity that’s bringing food to starving people in Gaza. And they sent a munition. It’s like a missile, but instead of a bomb, it’s got just like razor blades all around it.

 

And you can see the picture of the car, they sent it straight through the roof, directly on top of the driver’s seat and cut that man to bits! That’s how accurate they can be when they want to be. So they have the ability to do that they have the ability to do it. It is not an accident when they, …

 

Natty: The other interesting thing about the strike on the girls school was in the immediate aftermath, like there were shills online, there were online shills and righttoids and jews and all sorts of like scum coming out the woodwork claiming again, like they used to do in Gaza or like they have done in Gaza, that:

 

“Oh, this was an Iranian missile that kind of missed a target or misfired as they fired it out of Tehran and fell back on the girl school.”

 

Which was utterly disproved! And yet, you know, none of the people who were claiming this was like an Iranian misfire will ever be held to account or ever be made to apologise or made to like confront their lies about what this was. So the misinformation is hot and heavy.

 

But if you think, like I said, I’m going to reiterate this, if you think the Pedojew regime is squeamish about blowing up children, you’re mistaken. They’re not squeamish about blowing them up. Probably the only disappointing thing for the Pedojew regime is that these girls were blown up and didn’t have a chance to be like, sent off to Epstein’s island or something like that.

 

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Mark Collett: Thank you. The next thing is, this is quite interesting because it’s not the first time that Israel have admitted to bombing civilian populations. And we’ve discussed that they did it in Lebanon. They do it quite indiscriminately, they do it in Gaza.

 

But one thing’s quite interesting about these particular bombings and you guys made the point that they were bombing police stations. And I think they believe that they bombed police stations and took out government leaders and spiritual leaders, that there was going to be a revolution. And we’ve constantly heard this nonsense in the West, haven’t we? That the Iranian regime is hideously unpopular, that normal people in Iran hate the Ayatollah, they hate the government, the police, every organ of the state. I’d actually say more people in Britain hate Keir Starmer than people in Iran hate the Ayatollah.

 

But one thing that’s been very interesting is post these strikes and these indiscriminate missile attacks on schools, police stations and other sites around Tehran, we’ve seen more people out in the street supporting the Iranian government and wanting to fight back against America. I think that really underlines the fact that this idea that the Iranian people are all kept down, they have the Ayatollah’s boot on their head, this is nothing more than propaganda.

 

Natty: Oh, of course! It’s quite interesting to juxtapose it.

 

Can you imagine like a protest, or a march with hundreds of thousands of people ever coming out for any European government? I mean, the closest you got in the West was Trump, right? And that is quickly turned to ash in a lot of people’s mouths. He’s been exposed as basically just another neocon.

 

But if you put yourself in the shoes of like an Iranian, a normal Iranian citizen who’s just watched every single country where his kind of ethnic people, I know that Persians are maybe looked at differently than other people are on the Gulf states, whatever. All the other countries around him who aren’t in league with Israel have been like, brutally broken up and just left as failed states. Well, you’re going to want to cling to anything that stands up to these people and anything that resists being destroyed by them, because you know that if your government falls, that’s the end of any semblance of stability or normality you’ve got. You’re just going to have to either flee or deal with a failed state of a nation. So, of course they support it!

 

And you listen to like the BBC or Piers Morgan or some of these shows and you would think that, …

 

Mark Collett: Andrew Neil!

 

Natty: Yeah, he’s the worst! He’s a total Zio boot licker, man! I’m surprised he hasn’t drowned in jewish semen! [LOL] But like, you listen to these people and you’d think that every single person in Iran is just waiting, crouched behind their door, ready to rise up and take out this hugely unpopular government that everyone hates.

 

And like you said, there’s no government in Europe or anywhere in the West that is as popular with its people as the Iranian government. So take that as you will.

 

Yuro: Obviously, you know, Iran, I mean, I’m guessing, but much like most of the Middle East is awash with weapons from previous gayops and plans that we’ve had to overthrow them in the past.

 

But if you turn this around and let’s say some foreign actor blew up Parliament with every MP in it and blew up every diversity police station across the country and just dropped a bunch of weapons the chance of having a revolution would be much more likely here than it ever would be over there!

 

Natty: Yeah. And just to add on to this point, funnily enough, the strikes on Bahrain, and Bahrain’s a tiny little island nation. I mean, it used to be part of Iran. But the strikes on Bahrain look like they might actually foment a revolution because they’re kind of the Pedojew empire installed monarchy in Bahrain has lost its grip thanks to the Americans retreating and the actual people in Bahrain absolutely hate their rulers. And possibly, you know, news blackout and all the rest of it might actually foment a popular revolution in Bahrain and change governments there, [chuckling] which is supposed to be like a stronghold for the American empire and the Epstein regime and the headquarters of the Fifth Fleet, which controls the Persian Gulf or it used to control the Persian Gulf until the Pedojew regime started this war. So yeah, good one, guys. How’s it going? How’s this war going for you?

 

Mark Collett: Well, I would say that you’ve got a very good point there. And it’s a good point because we are moving on to how is this war going? Well, this is the interesting thing. Trump was elected as the guy who was going to be the President of peace and he was also elected on this America First ticket.

 

The idea that he was going to look after the average American. Now since Iran has closed the Strait of Hormuz, we’ve seen sort of panic buying. Oil prices have spiked. This is something that isn’t helping normal Americans who are already struggling with Trump’s idiotic tariffs.

 

And I would say, for Trump, when you actually look at, you say, how’s it going for him personally? It’s not going well domestically, but his approval ratings are at an all time low. They’re actually beneath his previous approval ratings for his first term and actually beneath Biden’s approval ratings. Now he’s getting savaged.

 

Now obviously he’s going out on TV:

 

“Oh, none of these mean anything. This is rubbish! The people love me!”

 

And I’ve spoken about this before. Post World War II don’t think any Western leader has built a cult of personality as intense as Trump has done with the MAGA movement. Trump has truly built a cult of personality where people see him as the supreme leader.

 

But I think that can be a good thing and it can be a bad thing! It’s a good thing because you have a dedicated support base. It’s a bad thing because often you become insulated and you only listen to that dedicated support base. And because you have that insulation, because you have that ring of people cheering you on and like:

 

“Up Trump! Yeah, you’re doing it right! You’re getting it right! Donald’s got it perfect! Bomb them all!”

 

You don’t actually hear the people outside of your immediate circle. And I think Trump has got this wrong. I think this is going to bring more misery on normal Americans. And I also think it could cost the Republicans the midterm.

 

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Yuro: I don’t think Trump got this wrong. I think Trump did this because his handlers wanted him to do this. I mean, was it Marco Rubio who basically came out and said Israel told us they were going to attack and when they attacked, we were going to get hit in response, so we just had to join them, basically, the tail wags the dog. We had to join in. They forced our hand.

 

And of course, Trump’s all over the Epstein files. He’s part of the Epstein class. He is part of that jewish Zionist Occupied Government [ZOG]. He’s not doing it because he thinks it’s going to make him popular. He’s doing it because he is either severely compromised or that’s just his team.

 

Natty: Yeah. And to assume that Trump cares anymore, I mean, he’s not up for a third term. And if he doesn’t care, do you think the jews who are running him and the Epstein, whoever takes over from Epstein cares about Trump’s reputation or cares even less about the American people and what they want? They were just dupes who were fooled into voting for him. And you can say:

 

“Well, the 2016 Trump train.”

 

Which was a lot more based and had a lot more kind of like groundswell, Right-wing energy behind it. Well:

 

“They were tricked as well. Right?”

 

But if you fell for it again and voted for him this time, they really must despise you and just think you’re the most stupid person ever going! And it’s been proven right. I mean, Trump has now burned any credibility he’s had. This is an extremely unpopular war, but it doesn’t matter. His reputation isn’t on the line anymore, and it’s not a consideration for the people pulling his strings. They wanted this war done. Trump was their best shot of getting it done. And so they’ve got him to enact it.

 

And what we’re seeing is the fallout. And who knows where this ends? I’m sure we’re going to move on to that point. But the suffering of the American people, the suffering of European people is not any concern to these people! And you might argue that European suffering and American suffering is just a little bit of icing on their cake.

 

Yuro: This is something that they’ve wanted for decades and they’ve realised that as time’s gone on its getting less and less possible. So they’ve done it now because now is more likely than tomorrow as bad as it is and as badly as they’re doing and not winning what they want to be. If they’d waited longer, they would have had even less chance.

 

So it’s just like it’s do or die. It’s all out now because they’ve got no other choice.

 

Natty: Right. That’s what I totally agree with that.

 

And what I’m saying is the considerations that like a rational government that cared about its people would make, and there’s going to be an energy crisis, our people are going to die in this war. It’s hugely unpopular. This doesn’t benefit us in the slightest. None of that is like, none of that is in consideration. And it’s clear when you listen to people that they don’t quite understand that. And you listen to like the media class trying to justify this war and just grasping for anything.

 

Whereas like the reality, the truth, that this is purely for Israel and purely for the pedojew empire just doesn’t, it’s quite a hard pill to swallow.

 

Yuro: And as always, it’s going to affect Europe and it’s going to affect the UK so much worse than it’s going to affect America, because America has its own energy supplies.

 

Whereas, you know, Europe has been deliberately cut off from Russian energy supplies and made to not take fuel from Iran in the first place. And so Europeans are probably going to freeze this winter because of what the Americans have done or the jewish-American empire has done. Yeah.

 

Natty: Not content with cutting off via like a jewishpedo regime war with Russia. Not content with cutting off like the majority of European energy supplies. Now [chuckling] the pedojew empire now starts another war in the Gulf, which will just totally screw energy prices. And I like you guys know this, but I’m in the middle of, I’ve almost finished building my house and part of that was installing a heating system and we’ve got like a central heating system.

 

Yuro: Didn’t install a heat pump, did you?

 

Natty: We did not install a heat pump. We installed a central heating oil boiler which we needed to run up as like commissioning the system [chuckling] and like we went to fill it up the day after this started and the price of central heating oil was like 63 per litre. And the day after this thing started and Iran closed the Strait of Hormuz, it went up by like 33 P per litre and it’s now at like 1 pound 33 a litre. So I know this isn’t funny because this is going to affect everyone, but it’s like these are real effects and no the people who started this war just don’t care about this. You haven’t felt this at the pumps yet, but my God, like you are going to and the whole of Europe is going to, so.

 

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Yuro: And it will be White pensioners who freeze whilst illegal migrants can turn up the heating as much as they want in hotels and non-Whites all over will get preferential benefits and help to make sure that they’re looked after while our people suffer.

 

Natty: Yeah, I mean that’s a given at this point.

 

But yeah, we’re about to be hit with this thing. I mean, unless it wraps up quickly, which is not going to happen.

 

Yuro: Even if it did wrap up tomorrow, we’d still have the price shocks. I mean this is what always happens when there’s a, like the price of oil shoots up, petrol prices shoot up, the price, …

 

Natty: Two days for it to rise. 106. Yeah, six weeks for it to creep its way back down. Yeah.

 

Mark Collett: They’re very interesting points and obviously it sort of goes into what we said before about Venezuela. It puts everything into context.

 

Now one of the things that he’s really. We’re going to talk a bit about the fight back here and what Iran has done, its retaliatory strikes, but one of the most disappointing things is they talk about this Axis of Evil, but so far Russia have condemned this. I’m not sure what China have said, if anything at all, but there’s largely a wave of silence about this, isn’t there? There isn’t sort of the international, … So when Russia started their, in inverted commas. They’re not my words, but their words, “the Special Military Operation”, you know, there was this wave of condemnation from every European country about the invasion of Ukraine.

 

However, here, this so-called “Axis of Evil”, China, Russia, etc, there doesn’t seem to be much in the way of pushback other than a couple of snappy press statements.

 

And I think this does tell you something about Russia and China’s ability or readiness to get involved. Now I would say China is more concerned with potentially taking Taiwan. And the knock on effects of this is, well, China will look and say:

 

“If America can take out the leadership of countries they don’t like, why can’t we do the same to Taiwan?”

 

And I think Russia is still tied up in Ukraine, which is probably by design. I think part of the issue with Ukraine was pulling Russia so deep into Ukraine that it depleted their resources in places like Syria. So regimes did fall in areas that America wanted them, America and Israel wanted them to fall.

 

But what do you think about the lack of sort of international pushback on this?

 

Yuro: It’s obvious that the Chinese and Russians are helping the Iranians in terms of intelligence gathering, satellite imagery. Supposedly the Iranian missiles use like an encrypted Chinese GPS as opposed to the American run satellites.

 

But yeah, they’re not coming out and publicly saying a lot and they could be doing a lot more kind of out in the open. And if they were really serious, the Chinese and Russians could help the Iranians develop an actual nuclear weapon to allow them to have a deterrent to defend themselves. And that could have happened, you know, within the last decade, but we don’t see them doing it.

 

Natty: Well, I made this point to mark the other day. This is where I kind of disagree with you a little bit. I think there’s only so much they can do. And Russia can’t just import a nuke into Tehran or into Iran without them asking for it. And if you’ve been paying attention, …

 

Yuro: Well, they should ask for it then!

 

Natty: Well that’s, maybe you’re right and they probably should and they probably will if they ever, if they get through this thing in one piece. But Russia has to be asked to provide that nuke. And the Ayatollah, Ayatollah Khomeini has famously had a fatwa on acquiring nuclear weapons. Which, you know, looking back to how we opened this thing puts lie to the fact that:

 

“Iran is two weeks away from having a nuke. Iran is five weeks away from having a nuke!”

 

For the last 30 years, every couple of weeks. So for one, Iran has to ask these countries for things. And I’m fairly certain that Russia is providing military assistance. You know, maybe not flashy supersonic missiles and all the rest of it, but you know it’s a short hop across the Caspian Sea for Russia to send boats and send equipment down to Tehran as much as it can. Like you said, Mark, they’re tied up in Ukraine as per the pedojew regime’s plan.

 

And like you said, Yuro. They’re using encrypted Chinese satellite data for their missiles. And I’m sure, like satellite imagery of the surrounding Gulf states and areas that Iranian like ballistic missiles and drones are hitting is provided by the Chinese.

 

So I think Russia and China understand the stakes here and understand that if Iran falls or we’re kind of at a turning point in history of the future of the Pedojew regime empire and where it stands and if it manages to pull this off and destroy Iran, then who knows what’s next? And we, I guess, we can talk about that. But for Russia and China, they probably think that actually halting the Pedojew regime here is probably a good thing to do.

 

And as much as much as they can do under the table, they’re going to do. And if it gets any hotter than that, well, who knows? But I disagree with you that they’re not helping as much as they could be.

 

Yuro: I don’t expect them to hand over a dozen nuclear weapons and say:

 

“Here you go!”

 

But why is Iran using such an antiquated air force instead of more modern Russian fighter planes, for example? Like, things like that would not be outside of the realm of possibility.

 

[1:12:38]

 

Natty: Well, because that’s not where the Iranian like, national defense has been focused. America, whatever you like to say about it, dominates the air and it always has. It has the most advanced and the most aeroplanes that it can put in the sky. You know, carrier groups all over the place, air bases all over the place. And Iran has had a long time to prepare for this. They’ve watched what’s happened around them and has decided actually our best national defense is in this missile capability and drone capability. And if Russia sent a squadron of like Su-22s or whatever the latest MIGs are, they would probably be shot down in fairly short order, which would be waste of resources.

 

So I think this idea, like I said, I think this idea that they’re not helping as much as they can is misplaced.

 

And interestingly enough, Arab Natsoc in the chat has just said Iran has a hyper fixation on self sufficiency. And he says it’s noble, but it’s not always the best way.

 

And I think that’s probably correct. Like I said it’s not up to China and Russia just to unload the docks in some port somewhere. Just tons and tons of military hardware that Iran never asked for. You know, they’ve got to agree these things and they’ve got to ask for it and they’ve got to trade for it and give things away and they probably feel they don’t need to. And judging by what’s happening so far, maybe they’re right. They didn’t need it. Maybe whatever they’ve asked for, they’re utilising and anything they haven’t asked for, they don’t really need.

 

Yuro: [with a Russian accent]

 

“I’m sorry, comrade, I didn’t mean to leave that pallet of nuclear weapons. You can do what you like with them.”

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, [chuckling] I did say this in all fairness, mate, I think I did say to you it would probably, to do something like this or to create a deal of that sort you would probably actually need for the Iranian regime to fundamentally turn around and say:

 

“Look, you’re gonna have half of our country, you’re gonna have X amount of our oil production. You’re going to be able to put your own bases on our soil. You’re going to have this power over us.”

 

And then Russia or China might say:

 

“Well, this is actually worth it. Then we will put bases on your soil. This is absolutely worth it! We’re going for it. Thanks. Thanks a bunch, guys. You know, this works.”

 

But the Iranians might not actually want that they might not actually want Russia and China to have that much control over Iranian politics.

 

Natty: Yeah, that’s absolutely right!

 

And if you think about it, that would turn Iran into a, like a, not exactly a vassal state, but as a, like an arm of Russia or an arm of China.

 

Whereas if they come out of this unscathed, they emerge as the regional power in the Middle East, which has much bigger implications for them and then makes them bigger on the world stage than just being an outpost of Russia or China.

 

Yuro: But they could trade on more equal terms with the North Koreans. And the North Koreans have come out and said:

 

“If they ask for a nuke, they’ll get one.”

 

Natty: Well maybe they will. I suspect the Iranian government is going to be much more looking at that idea much more favourably after this.

 

Mark Collett: Well, that is an interesting point.

 

And ultimately I’ve said this on many streams, but we are in a situation where that is the only way that you can keep America off your back. That’s the only reason North Korea didn’t fall. It’s the only reason Russia probably hasn’t been invaded or struck by the Americans. I think if Russia didn’t have nukes, undoubtedly America would have attacked them.

 

But despite them not having nukes, I will say this. I think the Iranians retaliatory strikes have been extremely impressive! But amongst those retaliatory strikes, it is noted that, because when this all started, I was thinking:

 

“Why are they bombing refineries? Why are they attacking refineries in other Arab nations? Surely that’s going to annoy potential allies. Why would they do such a thing? You know, we don’t do that, guys, because if you do, you’re going to end up being a pariah state and you know, your next door neighbours aren’t going to want to essentially work with you.”

 

And then the other day it comes out that effectively what you’re seeing here is not Iran striking these oil refineries, but the strikes on the oil refineries have been carried out by Israel!

 

So what do you think to Iran’s actual retaliation and what do you think of Israel’s rather underhanded attacks? Because, and this isn’t just theory crafting. We’ve actually seen over the last, 24 hours scores of Mossad agents being arrested around the Middle East for being involved in false flag operations in numerous Middle Eastern nations.

 

And of course, this is something that we all know happens. This is something that we all are completely aware of you know, we know that Israel is regularly involved in sort of false flag events. This is something that has happened many, many times in the past.

 

And I think it’s interesting that this is being exposed. So we’ve had the USS Liberty, [we’ve had 9/11] we’ve had bombings in the Middle East. We’ve had potential or we’ve had sort of “terror attacks” in inverted commas in numerous countries which have turned out to be the work of Israeli agents. And we’re seeing that again now.

 

So I think Iran has performed far more ably than people might have thought. Sadly, they don’t seem to be winning this. Their navy seems to be taking major hits.

 

But some of these retaliatory strikes are looking questionable, are actually the work of Israel.

 

[1:19:06]

 

 

Yuro: Well, supposedly, I mean, who’s to say that the attack on our base in Cyprus was actually carried out by Iran? Because didn’t Keir Starmer say:

 

“Oh, we won’t actually engage in hostile actions, we’ll only defend Israel with our planes!”

 

Which is, of course, kind of a schizophrenic point of view in the first place. But then all of a sudden:

 

“Oh, look, our base in Cyprus is attacked and now we can kind of get in fully without restriction.”

 

Natty: So that’s a good point. I mean, we can talk about RAF Akrotiri, but if you look at where Cyprus is on a map, any Iranian weapons, munitions, whether it’s drones or missiles or whatever, have to fly over, like directly over Israel. So there’s speculation it was like Hezbollah or possibly someone else or even maybe a, like an Israeli false flag, which is certainly possible. And who can say?

 

But it does seem like the refineries in Saudi Arabia and Qatar are Mossad operations to blow them up. With the point being to try and engage those countries on behalf of Israel to come into the war on behalf of Israel and do what they can or do more for Israel.

 

But coming back to your point, Mark, about the strikes that Iran have carried out, it’s not clear to me that they’re losing. I mean, you say it seems they’re losing. I’m not sure that’s totally true. And we spoke about this before I think a few months back on the Nationalist A-Team, where I think they’re doing much more, they’re doing a much more capable job than anyone except expected them to in the sensibility and where they’re striking.

 

So they’re hitting US bases in these Gulf oil states, you know, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia and Qatar. And they’re forcing the Americans to retreat, which stretches their logistic lines. And like we said earlier, they may have fomented an uprising in Bahrain and they’re making these Arab states which have been paid off or controlled by Israel in some way unstable and shaky. And the Israeli installed governments and monarchs and regimes in these countries are looking incredibly shaky or shaky as you’ve just put in the chat, that you’re on shaky ground. And hitting Dubai, well, that’s just popular with everyone in the entire world. So what do you say about that?

 

Yuro: It’s kind of, it’s almost like their own kind of Samson Option, except inherently justified and not evil because they’re only going after the American bases and the people supporting the Americans and the Israelis.

 

But you know, they’ve said:

 

“If we’re attacked from here. We’re going to take this, and just kind of everything in the region, every American base.”

 

And it’s entirely justified because these countries can’t claim to be not involved:

 

“Oh yes, we’re not involved in this. We just have a base where your enemy is launching attacks on you, but we’re not involved!”

 

And then the moment Iran says:

 

“Okay, well we’re not going to attack you, we’re not going to attack your people, but we’ll take out that base.”

 

And then say Saudi Arabia:

 

“So we’re under attack, we’re being attacked.”

 

Well, no!

 

Natty: That’s American soil. That’s American soil there buddy! A totally legitimate target by anyone’s standards.

 

Yuro: I mean, it seems like Iran is taking a kind of “tank and turtle” strategy. You know, it’s like when you play a, like a strategy game and you can put a lot into units or you can just build up your base and wait for them to come to you. And it can be risky because there’s a possibility that you get overwhelmed.

 

But if you’re turtle enough you can withstand that storm and then you can turn around.

 

Mark Collett: Is Yuro the tank or the turtle? That’s the question. [chuckling]

 

Natty: Depends what he’s had to eat. [chuckling]

 

Yuro: Turtling and tanking, kind of the same thing.

 

Natty: But I think like Iran by its like geography is kind of is able to naturally turtle and the fact is that there’s so many assets that America have placed around it and like the jewpedo regime have around it. And the fact that Israel is within striking distance means it can strike effectively. And America is very powerful and has a very powerful military, but that military still has logistical concerns and still has aircraft carriers that are clogged [chuckling] with like fat Mexican sailors poo!

 

Yuro: American aircraft carriers are as full of shit as Donald Trump!

 

Natty: Well, [chuckling] yeah, agreed.

 

Mark Collett: Well that’s the thing. Look, I mean, we haven’t seen an aircraft carrier at the bottom of the Persian Gulf yet, have we? Now you might be saying:

 

“Oh well, Mark, that’s a big ask.”

 

Because Obviously, if that happened, we would actually probably see the beginning of World War III! Because at that point, I think Trump would have to put boots on the ground. It actually might be the end of him. You know, it’d be one of the other, wouldn’t it? He’d either have to put boots on the ground or it’d be the end of him. But we are yet to see an aircraft carrier effectively being scrapped.

 

Now, that doesn’t mean they’re not doing anything in retaliation, but they’re not hitting the big targets. And look, we’ve had American commentators, some of these American commentators that do these sort of big takes on these things. You hear them talking about this Axis of Resistance and saying:

 

“Oh the time will come when these hypersonic missiles are going to be putting aircraft carriers at the bottom of the Persian Gulf!”

 

We yet to see that, are we? I mean, we’re also yet to see any of these sort of hypersonic super weapons take out leading members of the Israeli government or the Israeli regime. You know, I know Yuro doesn’t like the word “regime”, which we keep using, but that is an interesting point. We haven’t seen Israel struck. Israel has been proved to be not invincible, I think it’s fair to say that. But we haven’t seen the Israeli government reeling in the same way that the Iranian government has.

 

[1:25:49]

 

Yuro: Well, there’s a couple of points to make here. First off, with regards to the aircraft carriers, the American Navy has been keeping the aircraft carriers at a much greater range than they would normally use them to attack somebody because they are scared of those missiles. And the Iranians have launched small salvos of kind of like four missiles at time at them and got them to basically back off and back off to a greater distance, which means they can do much fewer kind of bombing runs at once and they have more fuel requirements and greater maintenance on the planes. So it is diminishing America’s capability to attack.

 

There was also satellite footage, I think, from a Chinese satellite that showed a fire on one of the destroyers in one of the aircraft carriers escorts. So potentially that was hit by Iranian missiles and although not sunk, caught fire. So they’re keeping them at bay. The Americans know if they get any closer, they will be hit.

 

And with regards to the missiles that they’re firing, it seems like they’ve used a lot of their kind of crappier munitions and their older munitions, like everything they’ve been launching at the other Gulf states is short range ballistic missiles that don’t have the range to go anywhere else. So they might as well use them on these targets. And they’ve been using up these older, less advanced munitions and drones and still still getting so many interceptors wasted before they actually bring out the big guns. And we’ve seen within the past day or two they’re starting to launch these missiles. I can’t remember the name of them, but they’re like a very large cluster munition that drops about 60 different submunitions on the way down and they’re dropping those on Israel.

 

And as I said in the very beginning, we just don’t know how much is actually getting through and how much damage they’re actually doing because it’s censored and covered up.

 

Natty: Yeah, we did touch on this and like you said, like an interceptor system, like a THAAD or like a Patriot battery or whatever, costs like in the millions, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars. And they’re being used up [chuckling] like drones with lawnmower engines and like a few kilogram warheads. And Iran’s just like churning these things out, like churning them out and churning them out and they’re still intact and they’re at some point America is going to run out of interceptors.

 

And I don’t know if you saw this, but the pedojew regime in America like called its defense manufacturers, heads of its defense manufacturing industry in for like an emergency meeting to say:

 

“We need more missiles! We need more stuff like come on, make it happen!”

 

But I was listening to something earlier saying this is very well demanding that, but there’s a lot of a very expensive gear that goes into this stuff, like certain gases and certain rare earth elements and guidance systems and radio radar systems and optics and all the rest of it that has to go into this missile production.

 

Meanwhile, you know, Iran can get like a cheap [chuckling] Chinese lawnmower engine, stick it in a, like a fiberglass Shahed drone shell, put a bit of explosive on the tip of it and just launch it wherever it runs, you know, within a few hundred mile radius, which is enough to cover the Gulf states and Strait of Hormuz and all this oil production that Europe relies on and lots of other people rely on and it’s going to destabilise all these countries that surround it.

 

Yuro: There’s a psychological aspect of them just doing the drip, drip, drip, dropping wave after wave of missiles on the Israelis, that’s definitely going to be wearing the Israelis down.

 

And also let’s say they absolutely opened up and dropped every missile that they had on Tel Aviv and the surrounding areas. Well in that situation the Israelis would come out and enact the Samson Option, wouldn’t they? And just you know, destroy them with their own nuclear weapons so that obviously they’re not going to feel like they can just drop everything on them at once because they don’t want to force them into that corner where they say:

 

“All right, well we’re doomed anyway!”

 

Natty: Well the other thing to remember is for Iran, the people in Iran and the government in Iran understands this is like a fight for survival. Like I said earlier, if they lose now, if they fail in this defense of their nation, they turn into a failed state. Israel has free reign and MI6 and the CIA have free reign to just fund all sorts of horrible like disgusting groups like ISIS and like the Kurds and everyone else to come and storm their country and make it into a living hellhole, just like they’ve done with Syria and Iraq and Libya.

 

So they understand this is a fight for their survival. So they’ve got to bend their entire will to doing this. Israel and America can stop anytime and can be forced to their knees if their civilian populations demand it. You know dropping cluster munitions on Tel Aviv is like a terror tactic. Well I mean “terror” in like air quotes, right? But at some point the Israeli people, the jews in Israel were going to have had enough of air raid sirens and cluster munitions raining on their heads and could be going to demand that it ends one way or another.

 

And this is what happened in the 12 Day War. I mean if you listen to shills and like pedojew media you would think that Iran lost a 12 day war, but it was Israel who cried off, who’d taken enough punishment from everything I can see. And it’s only a matter of time. I mean if Iran can sustain what it’s doing the Iron Dome is not stopping a giant like cluster warhead that like you said drops 60 submunitions on the city in a suburb somewhere, they’re going to cry uncle and they’re going to bend the knee to Iran.

 

[1:32:14]

 

Meanwhile Iran can’t stop and it simply can’t otherwise it fails. And I’m sure almost everyone in the country understands that.

 

Yuro: This is like a boxing match where the other side controls the bell. You know, you’ve got Mike Tyson there and he’s got the bell. He chooses when the match ends. You don’t want to give it everything you’ve got and gas out too early because it might go on another five minutes.

 

So they are happy to let this draw out. And everything that the Americans and the Israelis has done has all been about, let’s go in there with the alpha strike, let’s drop as much on them as we can, let’s take out this, let’s take out that, and then we’ll just walk away and say:

 

“Mission successful, we can walk away now.”

 

And the Iranians are like:

 

“No, we’re not surrendering! We’re going to keep on fighting!”

 

Because as time continues it gets more and more in their favour. What they don’t want to do is say:

 

“Right let’s have a ceasefire!”

 

And three months, six months down the line, it starts all over again. They’re better off just continuing it now.

 

Natty: Yeah, I agree with that.

 

I mean, this is, like I said, this is a long, long time in the making. This is a long term plan of Israel’s to destroy and destabilise Iran. So if there’s ever, if there’s a ceasefire, if this stops, it’s going to be back on again at some point. And in the same way that a Gaza ceasefire isn’t really a ceasefire and at some point Israel is going to move on Gaza again and try and wipe those people out. So I think the Iranians understand that. Well, hopefully they understand that.

 

So we’ll see what happens.

 

Mark Collett: Well, it is interesting because they haven’t begged, have they haven’t begged and they haven’t cucked! I think they know there is no negotiations. That’s one of the big problems earlier that we talked about though. You know, when you make it so negotiation is meaningless, you essentially do put people with their backs to the wall. You know, if you’ve got a guy, you know, stood in his house with a pistol and the police are like:

 

“Look, let’s negotiate.”

 

But you know that when the police come through that door, they’re going to shoot you no matter what. At that point, what are you going to do? Is it going to be fight to the death, blaze of glory time, or is it going to be:

 

“Well, I’ll spend 12 hours negotiating only to be shot in the head anyway.”

 

At that point, you are creating an interesting sort of situation where fundamentally the American word is good for nothing! And the only answer is to fight to the death. And look, you know, without going into World War II, many, many Germans surrendered in good faith, believing that they were going to be treated like human beings, that they were going to be treated honourably, that surrendering to the Americans would be the right thing, that they would go home, that they would be treated as prisoners of war. And then they were brutalised and starved to death. I mean, surrendering to America is often, …

 

Natty: Or sent to Russia as slaves.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Natty: Even starved on the banks of the Rhine or sent to Russia as slaves. Yeah, you shouldn’t imagine that you’re going to be treated fairly if you surrender to these people. They’ve shown, as we discussed earlier, they’ve shown that they’ve got no honour. They’ve shown that they’re dishonourable people and they don’t treat civilians well. Those are the lessons that should be taken from this.

 

Yuro: They protest for their right to rape captives. When their own people have been caught on video, you know, sodomizing prisoners like Gazans that they’ve captured, they protest. And they don’t say it didn’t happen

 

Natty: Out in the street.

 

Yuro: Yeah, they said they turn out in the street to protest and say:

 

“We should be allowed to sodomize them!”

 

Is there any other country in the world where you would get that?

 

Mark Collett: Well, I think one of the interesting things about Trump, and this is sort of just one of my sort of notes on this, is that Trump came in as this “art of the deal”, wanting to put world peace on the table, get America out of the foreign wars that have dogged it for some time. And essentially what we’ve actually seen is quite the opposite. Trump actually does seem to be. And this isn’t meant to be a compliment, by the way, but it probably comes off as a little bit of a compliment. But he does seem to be sort of the ultimate ZOG warlord, doesn’t he? Trump as a guy, as a mad sort of emperor stood, you know, addressing his troops does seem to be a role that he slips into far more easily and readily than the role of peacemaker.

 

Now, I’ve seen him in these interviews. I’ve seen him talking about future operations. I’ve seen the way he really does love having this power and being able to tell other nations to bow to him or else. And that’s what he’s saying, really, with Iran:

 

“You’ll do what I say or I’m going to completely raze you to the ground!”

 

Now saying that, do you think there has ever been a more philo-semitic president? And following this, do you think this will change the way Americans vote in the future?

 

[1:37:45]

 

 

Natty: I doubt it. And there may have been more philo-semitic presidents, but certainly not in our time, or I mean, our time is in a time when I’ve been a, like an adult. I think I was 12 at the time when the first Gulf War started, when Bush rolled into Iraq and dragged Blair in and dragged the rest of the British people in. But it’s hard to imagine a more philo-semitic president.

 

And I think part of the problem is. Well, maybe it’s not a problem for them, although it might turn out to be, who knows, depending on how this thing goes, is that more and more people were just nakedly seeing it as that it’s like, why, what possible reason could the American people, like the people in America have for engaging in this terminal war with Iran? What possible cause do the British people have against the people of Iran? You know, flimsy excuses like:

 

“Oh, they’re a terrorist nation and you know, they might at some point have a nuke!”

 

This just doesn’t cut it. This isn’t a reason that sensible people would launch wars against people and go on these destructive campaigns against people.

 

Yuro: Sunni Pakistanis rape children. So we need to fight against them

 

Natty: Yeah:

 

“We need to fight a Shia country, a Persian Shia country!”

 

Yeah, absolute lunacy! But people, I think people genuinely understand more now. But this is just jews! This is a war for jews. It’s a war for Israel. And Trump is like deeply, deeply friends with the jewish paedophile who was the mover and shaker for the evil jewish paedophile regime. This is their guy. You know, he is their guy and he’s the guy who’s going to see this done. Not for you, not for your family, not for the American infrastructure, not for the home country and what it means for the future of America, but for Israel and for his jewish handlers. And people, I think, understand that. More and more people understand that, which is why this war is so unpopular.

 

Yuro: We see more and more people waking up to jewish power every day. And in America, I mean, you see mainstream Leftists like Ana Kasparian from the young Turks goes out and just says:

 

“The goyim are waking up! Deal with it!”

 

And that’s amazing to see and it’s a great thing! But at the end of the day there’s no one for them to vote for. The two party system in America is so entrenched, they’re not going to have that option anytime soon to actually get out of it. I mean you’re just going to have a continuation of the same thing where you have presidents get elected and have lower and lower approval ratings, but the people just won’t believe it.

 

Natty: And that’s like you said, no other choice. And I’ll remind, you know, Mark was saying that President Trump ran on like a “no foreign intervention, no foreign wars” ticket. Certainly in 2016 he did. But every president has done that and most of the prime ministers and most of the regimes in this country have run on the same kind of, “we’re not for foreign wars”!

 

And yet every time there’s a foreign war on behalf of Israel and the jews, these people snap to. And all of a sudden it’s:

 

“Well, this war is justified. And this is a terrorist regime and Syria used Sarin gas on its people and Iran is a terrorist state and Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction!”

 

So these people know that foreign wars aren’t popular and you know, foreign wars within justifications, but foreign wars where there is literally no justification apart from the jews want us to do this, are extremely unpopular! And burn through the veil that these people use to hide what they do and kind of hide the levers they pull in order to get what they want.

 

Mark Collett: That’s very interesting. And I do concur. I don’t think there is anyone else to vote for. But I’m not really here to correct anyone tonight. I think everyone’s made excellent points, but you are actually wrong that it was just, 2016. There are pictures floating around that I’ve actually shared showing with Trump and Vance stood together and it’s the kind of text around them is “the peace ticket”, you know, saying:

 

“You’re voting first, you’re voting for peace!”

 

This is what they ran on this time as well. And Trump did make these huge sort of overtures to the Nobel Committee, that he wanted the Nobel Prize Peace Prize, that he was going to stop these wars, which obviously he hasn’t done.

 

Natty: I think I’m probably guilty of paying less attention to the Trump campaign in 2022, [chuckling] when it was in 2016. But, yeah, I can well believe it. And I’ve heard, I’ve seen that in headlines, quoted for the peace ticket. And Trump lambasting Obama on Twitter at the time, saying:

 

“Oh, Obama’s going to start a war in Iran because he’s such a terrible negotiator and he sucks at being a peaceful president.”

 

And it’s like, yeah so many years later, you’re the guy. You’re the guy these people have activated to get this done.

 

[1:43:07]

 

Mark Collett: Well, indeed. And the next point, because we’re sort of getting towards what do we think’s going to happen?

 

But before we do that, I think one of the interesting things about this is we’ve seen, so there are a lot of, what can I call them, “Shitbag influencers” like Tommy Robinson, Douglas Murray, Andrew Neil. I despise Andrew Neil! Fat, worthless toad! The day he has sort of a gigantic Coronary as he sat eating his sort of duck pate on his terrace in the south of France will be a good day for the world! That guy is always on the wrong side of everything. He wants to attack Iran, wanted all the Covid restrictions. I can’t remember him ever saying anything good. He is scum of the earth!

 

But on the other side, we have seen this in interesting bipartisan pushback. We’ve seen Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Thomas Massie, Ana Kasparian. There has been this mass awakening to Israel! I mean, Tucker Carlson stood in front of Turning Point USA getting a standing ovation for saying:

 

“Israel needs to get out of American politics!”

 

That is seismic. You know, he is still the biggest American political voice in terms of being an influencer. I think this is incredible!

 

Now, I was somebody that was quite happy for Trump to get in for a couple of reasons, but one of the reasons being that I believed that this would bring things to a head. I believe that the Trump regime would be the regime that accelerated things to a point where numerous people who had previously been extremely philo-semitic would end up coming out, breaking ranks, and there would be a mainstream acceptance of our points. I remember saying that, actually I was briefly invited on WarStrike, of all streams, the night of the election.

 

And I was like:

 

“Look, this isn’t a bad thing! Don’t have a cow over this basically. This is something that may well bring us certain benefits.”

 

And I think that we are sort of seeing this to a large degree now. What do you guys think about this? Because I can’t really remember the last time we’ve actually seen a such a bipartisan move against Israel. And it’s not just the ones I’ve mentioned. I mean, Marjorie Taylor Greene has been incredible! Tucker Carlson’s leading the charge with young Right-wing males and females. Turning Point USA, which used to be absolutely ZOGged, is now a hive of like counter-semitism, if you like.

 

And on top of all of that, having the absolutely delightful and wife ready material known as Ana Kasparian.

 

Yuro: She’s absolutely perfect! [chuckling] Coming out for me!

 

Mark Collett: What? What did you say Yuro?

 

Natty: What did you say?

 

Yuro: It’s a bit brown for me.

 

Natty: Get out! Booted from this stream!

 

Mark Collett: You know what? Do you know what? Yuro’s got this thing, right, where you show any girl who’s got the mildest amount of than, and he goes into some kind of like tail spin as if like White women have never ever set foot out of the house!

 

Yuro: Are Armenians White?

 

Natty: This one is. This one certainly is!

 

Yuro: If she’s anti-semitic, she’s White! Okay.

 

Mark Collett: The question is, Yuro, are you White? [chuckling] Because the fact you’ve asked this of our lady in chief, …

 

Natty: Perfect Queen.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, a perfect Queen means maybe you’re, …

 

Yuro: I’m not as big as simp as you are mate!

 

Mark Collett: Mate, there’s nothing simpy about loving Ana!

 

Natty: It’s [chuckling] a justified simpery.

 

Mark Collett: It’s justified simpery. Yeah. And so why I like Ana as well is when she gets angry, she just doesn’t hold back, does she? She’s one of those people, sometimes watching somebody get really angry, …

 

Natty: There was a clip, there was a clip of her on Piers Morgan and she was like yelling at these like jews. There were like six of them on the panel and I think they were all jews apart from her and Piers Morgan. And she’s like yelling and screaming at them because they’re trying to dissemble and you know, do what “aboutery” about the killing in Gaza and the killing kids in Iran and stuff. And she’s really letting them have it! And she’s screaming at them. There was some like Boomer in the Facebook comments, like:

 

“Oh, I tried to watch it but I couldn’t take the screeching!”

 

I just, I put underneath it, I was like:

 

“I would listen to her scream about jews in my ear all night!”

 

Mark Collett: Look, [chuckling] that is how I feel that like she has come out and when she does it? She does it! So if you’re screaming like some mad, sort of disheveled, for want of a better term, “Karen” and so you’re sort of mad because there was only, …

 

Yuro: Karen is a slur.

 

Mark Collett: Well, it is, but Karen can also, you know what I mean? You get some women who’ll go crackers over like the fact there’s only seven olives in there, you know, olive pasta. And the menu shows eight or something and they throw an absolute fit over it! But the way she blows up, it’s so attractive. She’s like:

 

“Don’t give me this! You disgusting Zionist pig! You make me sick!”

 

And she’s enunciating every one of her words and she’s not holding back either. She’s like:

 

“You child killing monsters!”

 

Natty: It’s like righteous fury at the people she’s like, that’s been put up on these panel shows.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. Exactly! And when you’re watching it’s extremely attractive! It’s not sort of like I said, I know “Karen” is a bit of an anti-White slur, but it’s not Karen-esque. It’s not like an overly liberal White woman and who’s outraged because of something minor that normal people are like:

 

“Look, just pull yourself together.”

 

The way she does it, I find it to be absolutely cracking! I love it!

 

Anyway, that’s enough glazing of Ana Kasparian. I mean, look, can there ever be enough glazing about the Kasparian? That could be a two hour stream in itself!

 

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Natty: It’s for Yuro, apparently. I mean, Yuro’s not on the Kasparian train here, unfortunately. Maybe we’ll have to have a word with [word unclear] after the stream.

 

Mark Collett: We have to, … You mean a beating? [chuckling]

 

Natty: You’re going to a re-education camp.

 

Mark Collett: After the show in the green room, we give him a kicking!

 

So what do you think of this bipartisan movement, though? I find it refreshing. I like it. And it’s got real gravitas. Because, look, I was on the David Duke show earlier and obviously I work with David probably more than anybody else in the world, for better or worse. And I love David! He’s a real character. He can be a bit difficult at times, but he’s a real character. But sadly, David does not have the influence he once had.

 

And I’m not saying that to sort of mock David or deride David. I’m just saying that as a statement of fact. But somebody like Ana Kasparian does have that power! She does have that gravitas, but so does Thomas Massie and Marjorie Taylor Greene. You know, Tucker Carlson. Absolutely massive! And you’re watching these people tear in to the Zionist cause and attack these Warhawk jews. It is very refreshing! I mean, well, for me, it is anyway. I mean, I don’t know about you guys, but I love it!

 

I mean, how does this make you feel after all the years of being in the wilderness? Look, being in the wilderness is something that. I am still very much in the wilderness, despite all my hard work over the years, despite my incredible consistency. Like, if I’m not the perfect guy, okay, not by a long, long means, I am very good at debates, but I’m not the perfect guy. I have my foibles. I screw up, …

 

Yuro: Not good at controlling your temper.

 

Mark Collett: I was gonna joke there by exploding at you!

 

Natty: Yeah. [chuckling]

 

Mark Collett: I’m not brilliant at controlling my temper, but one thing you’ve got to say for me is that throughout all these years, I have been extremely consistent in what I’ve stood for.

 

Now, when it comes down to it, seeing these people, for me, anyway, come out and be sort of so, you know, completely anti-Israel. It’s the first time I’ve ever seen it. And it’s not just relying on, as I said, this isn’t to knock David, but it’s not just to rely on me and David Duke making the point anymore. You know, these points are being made by these more mainstream individuals who’ve got serious gravitas. And I actually like that. I think it’s something that I think is really important. Seeing Ana Kasparian and seeing all these others doing it. I think this has taken our message to a new crowd. And it’s interesting to see that there are people all over the political system who have had enough of Israel.

 

Natty: Yeah. And I think having this kind of, it’s not perfect. The things they say aren’t perfect. Right. And the problem isn’t just Israel. And I think most people get that. And this isn’t to kind of pee on your cornflakes, Mark. But even the things they’re saying do give amount of headroom for anyone who’s less sizable and less influential from them to kind of push those boundaries a little bit more. And there is further to push.

 

I mean, we shouldn’t be coming around the campfire at this stage to stretch your wilderness analogy. We should be trying to, we should still be in the wilderness telling the truth and putting the final truth to it. Because, like I said the things are saying are anti-Israel, which is like 90% of the way there, right?

 

And like I said, giving headroom for more, not extreme, that’s not the word, but for a greater and more deep understanding to come forth.

 

And I think that you are going to see from this war with Iran, you’re going to see a tranche of politicians and people emerge who are willing to say these things. And sure, amongst those people there are going to be shills and they’re going to be subversive people, but at some point it just becomes like a political football whether you support Israel and whether you’re going to do their bidding.

 

I mean, one of the disappointing things with Rupert Lowe is he hasn’t really come out against, he hasn’t made a statement against Israel, which I’m sure none of us really expect, but now would be the perfect time for someone in his position to make that leap. We haven’t seen it yet, but I think this just pushes that football a little bit further down the road. You know, pushes the can a little bit further down the road to give space for that to happen.

 

Yuro: I think every day that the Rupert Lowe goes out and doesn’t support Israel, even if he won’t explicitly say that he’s against them, obviously that’s giving us room and whatnot.

 

But another thing, sort of talking about, obviously, the goyim waking up and Trump, I think it is great that we see all these people realizing the extent of jewish power.

 

And I think Trump especially is to thank for it, because he is just so openly philo-semitic in a way that no previous president, even if they love jews as much as he does, they just wouldn’t do it so openly! You know, he goes out there and declares himself the King of Israel and he says this, that and the other. And it’s again, with the attack on Iran and the thing with Venezuela, there’s not even a pretence anymore. It’s just:

 

“We’re doing this because it’s in our interest and we’re attacking Iran because that’s what we want to do!”

 

They’re not having the pretence anymore.

 

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Mark Collett: I don’t like to cut across people because we’ve all been pretty good at not cutting across people. But I just wanted to further your point. You know, when Trump does things which are so sort of egregious [chuckling] that you sort of wonder why he’s saying them. Like when he said:

 

“Oh the Adelsons basically bought me the White House! So whenever they want to just walk in and ask for a policy to be passed, what am I gonna do? It’s the bloody Adelsons! They gave me about half a billion. How are you gonna say no to the people who gave you half a billion? Come on, guys, let’s get things going!”

 

You’re thinking to yourself:

 

“Are you actually saying this? Are you actually saying to people, ‘look, the Adelsons bought me the White House. So then when they want a policy passing, I just bring them in and say, ‘What do you want?’ And when they say, ‘I want this.’ I just give it to them’.”

 

Most people would know which bits not to say out loud. You know, it’s like when you were a kid, your mom was like:

 

“Did you clean up the house?”

 

You’d be like:

 

“Yeah, I did!”

 

But you wouldn’t be:

 

“Well, actually, I spilt the water from the big vase, partially flooded the living room, spent ages dabbing it up, and have hid the stain under the mat!”

 

Because there’s part of it that you don’t say out loud, isn’t there? And there’s part that you say out loud. But Trump, he says it all out loud, and it becomes sort of so almost jarring to hear him say it, because for years, we’ve heard that politicians are bought, they’re sold. You know, powerful foreign forces pay for politicians to do their bidding. And here’s Trump just honestly saying:

 

“Well, that’s exactly what happens! I do it all the time! The Adelsons basically funded me, and I did everything for them. So when they want a policy, I give them!”

 

You don’t say that out loud, do you? You say:

 

“The Adelsons are an important part of what we’re hoping to do, and no one has undue influence over me, but I’m happy to hear from them.”

 

He doesn’t do any of that. There’s no beating around the bush. He basically says:

 

“Jew’s got me in. And when they want a policy passing, I give it to them!”

 

I mean, is that refreshing to hear? For me, it is, because it confirms everything that we’ve always said.

 

Natty: Yeah, he is known for slurping up the “juju come”. As someone put in the chat earlier.

 

I think the worrying thing is, or I guess it’s not worrying. I mean, it’s interesting. So there was like just this ground swell of JQ awareness, like Israel hatred after October 7th because of what Israel was doing to Gaza.

 

And then the media gets to declare:

 

“There’s a ceasefire, Gaza’s over. We can look away now. We can look away from the fact that Israel has been bombing hospitals and stuff.”

 

Because of the nature of the news cycle and everything else, people let it drop. And then this big orange slave, jew slave, Trump, comes along and starts a war with Iran, like, totally on behalf of his jewish handlers in Israel. And all of a sudden it’s like:

 

“Oh, right, my awareness is shaking again.”

 

Like:

 

“Now there’s just another thing that’s like, cannot be ignored where we have to bring out this question again to the public and try and explain why this war for Israel isn’t anything to do with jews and is secretly about Russia.”

 

Or whatever else it is. You know, so, yeah, I mean, awareness, awareness rising!

 

Mark Collett: So we pretty much wrapped up a lot of the things we were going to talk about. And we’ve already said that Israel has been proven through this not to be invincible.

 

And I think that’s one of the key things here. At one point, Israel touted the Iron Dome. It touted their invincibility. I think this has shown something that’s very interesting. It’s highlighted that America is Israel’s lapdog! But it’s also highlighted that without America, Israel couldn’t exist. And that’s important, I think, for two reasons.

 

There’s this symbolic idea of Israel being this invincible outpost in the Middle East that the Iron Dome protects and they can stand alone if necessary. I think Israel have been really undermined here, not just from a moral perspective, but from the view that they can be hurt, which is important. You know, one of the big things, if you’re ever in some kind of conflict, facing what appears to be an immovable or unstoppable enemy, to show that that enemy is, in fact, fallible and can be hurt is very important.

 

And although we’ve hardly seen Israel sink into the Mediterranean, I do think the strikes on Israel have been significant from the point of view that it has shown them to be scared, that if they don’t have the West on their side, they can’t defend themselves.

 

Yuro: Well, it’s like with October 7th. When October 7th happened, it showed the world that they’re not all powerful, they’re not all knowing, they’re not always just gonna win because they’ve got everything on lockdown. Their power does have limits. And there’s some amount of White nationalists who come out and say:

 

“Oh, no, they let that happen1 You know, they let that happen on purpose! That they have a reason to do this.”

 

But actually, it’s like you’re unwilling to believe that they just screwed up that badly.

 

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[Remainder of Transcript in Progress]

 

 

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Mark Collett: Look, I’m not going to get into a big debate, but I actually believe they let that happen. I believe that that was part of their plan and gave them this imperative to do what they did in Gaza.

 

However, I think Iran’s a different kettle of fish. I think that what we’re seeing with Iran here is something fundamentally much more damaging for them, because they have nothing to gain by letting Iran smash through the Iron Dome. They have nothing that they can say:

 

“Well, this gives us the moral imperative to do X.”

 

Because in the case of Iran, they’ve already done X, haven’t they? X has already been committed to, it’s already been carried out.

 

So I think there’s different things here.

 

But look, let’s wrap this up and we’re going to wrap this up before we do the questions and answers. If anyone wants to Superchat. If you’ve enjoyed the stream, please consider sending a Superchat. But we’re going to wrap this up with, obviously we’ve said this is for the Greater Israel Project and we’ve talked about the political ramifications around the world for America, for Russia, for China, for future conflicts.

 

But one thing we haven’t talked about is the political ramifications here in Britain. Now, obviously Starmer hasn’t embroiled himself and he’s made the right choice in that case, but probably for the wrong reasons. Rather than doing this because he doesn’t want to serve Israel, he’s done this because he doesn’t want to turn the Muslim bloc vote against him any further because he fears losing the next general election.

 

But what we can see here, or what I see here, is a major problem with refugees and they’re talking about potentially two, … There was the, I think it was the Telegraph that stated this. The calculation is that 2.5 million people will be displaced from the region due to this conflict. At the present time, that number could obviously rise and they’re all going to be coming to Europe, they’re not going to be going to Israel.

 

And I’ve always described this as sort of the twin evils of Israel. On one hand, Israel menaces, murders, maims, terrorizes states in the Middle East for its own gain and to maintain dominance in the region. However, the blowback is never for Israel! The blowback of all this ends up hitting Western nations who take the refugees or the people that are displaced.

 

And I think that’s the final piece of the puzzle, that the Greater Israel Project makes Israel more powerful, but by extension due to the knock on effect, it weakens the West, it pushes us closer to a demographic shift that will be unrecoverable and fundamentally takes us a step nearer to being a minority in our ancestral homelands!

 

Natty: Yeah, destabilising its immediate neighbours, like I said earlier, destabilising its immediate neighbours with missiles and bombs and gayops and all the rest of it, is a short timescale. But destabilising European countries with mass immigration and kind of ethnic cleansing and all the rest of that, that’s still just destabilisation. It’s just on a longer time scale. And I alluded to this earlier, but the Israeli gayops and the CIA and Mossad and MI6 operation, well I mean it was the open British government was just aiding like terrorists in Libya, overthrowing Gaddafi. Gaddafi had an agreement with Italy where Italy would pay him to stop, just endless floods of migrants crossing the Mediterranean into Europe. And Israel uncaring that that was in place or seeing that actually destroying that was a good thing because it helped destabilise everything, not just Europe, but top to Libya, decided to enact you know, plans against Gaddafi that ended with him, like I said, with a bayonet up his bum, dragged out into the street.

 

And that led to the migration crisis in 2015, 2014, 2015, which is ongoing today. And I just posted in the private chat there because I just looked this up, Morgoth’s Law, which was spoken by Morgoth himself:

 

“No matter where the conflict is in the world, the refugees coming to Europe will be fighting age black and brown men!”

 

And that’s going to hold true for this conflict.

 

Now that might be coincidental in other cases but certainly with Iran this is the double, not the double edged sword but like the win-win situation for Israel. They get to destabilise nations by direct war against their like direct competitors. But they also get to destabilise their so-called “allies” in terms of European nations in America with all these displaced people who then through their human rights groups and refugee groups and these kind of NGOs get to set up migration routes into the countries who are supposedly their allies that they help destabilise. The knock on for politics in this country, unfortunately there won’t be much because we don’t have much of a choice. And if Reform was in power at the moment it would probably be just balls out gung-ho for Israel. So what choice do you have in this country? I mean it’s probably less than anywhere else.

 

Mark Collett: I will say though, I think Yuro is right in what he said. Every day that Rupert Lowe spends not endorsing Israel is a victory from our point of view. You know, I know that might sound like a cucky thing to say, but it has been so long since we’ve had anybody in any form of position of genuine power who hasn’t immediately been a slave to Israel. And it’s one of the things that Tommy Robinson’s been quite upset actually by a number of things Rupert Lowe has said and done. I don’t know if you saw, but Tommy Robinson said:

 

“You know, Rupert Lowe needs to clarify whether black people can be British. Rupert Lowe needs to clarify his position on all these things!”

 

Well, I find that very interesting because that suggests that Tommy and his handlers are getting quite nervous that Rupert isn’t going to be the Zio lap dog they hoped he would.

 

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Natty: Yeah, the kind of the cucked civnat stuff that always bends towards this like piss-weak conservatism, as we’ve seen with Reform, where it just turns out they’re just as I mean they’re not really even civic nationalists, they’re just Conservatives in that anyone’s British, anyone who steps foot on this island is British.

 

So yeah, I mean funnily enough, Tommy wrote, those questions from Tommy Robinson he tried to put to Rupert Lowe:

 

“We’re in the wake of the Iran war starting and Rupert Lowe not coming out in support of Israel.”

 

And all of a sudden here you’ve got Tommy Robinson popping up like fresh from snorting up lines of coke on a mirror somewhere in America asking him about the same, well as pulling the same gay ops that he tried with the BNP all those years ago, which you know about very well, Mark.

 

Yuro: And after hopping off his private jet with his son, who’s posting about it on Instagram while he begs for money from poor White people who haven’t got a dime to scrape together.

 

Natty: Yeah, Tommy Robinson, just to reiterate, is absolute scum! He is scum! Everything out of Tommy Robinson’s mouth is like a jewish handler somewhere. And that has become more and more clear! There’s no like, no intersection of lines from real dissidency in this country in the West. And Tommy Robinson, this is like a literal jewish mouthpiece being paid by Israel to say the things he does.

 

And if you think there’s some part of Tommy that’s still good or some part of him that’s still worth listening to, then you simply haven’t been paying attention. And you need to, I don’t know, get with the programme or get your head right, because he’s evil, he’s terrible, and he’s a scumbag!

 

Mark Collett: I concur.

 

So I think we’ve had a pretty robust chat. We’re going to do the Superchats in a couple of seconds. If you want a Superchat, please do.

 

But I’ll say this, I think in conclusion. I’ve said this many times before, but the judeo-American empire is the greatest threat to the world!

 

Yuro: And I’ve said they are the great Satan!

 

Mark Collett: Well, it’s not just the greatest threat, is it to White people. Now we obviously are fundamentally our thoughts are for White people. That’s the most important thing for us, that we look after people of European descent.

 

However, it’s not just people of European descent that suffer under the judeo-American State. Obviously Arabs suffer immensely.

 

And a lot of the problems created by the judeo-American States, actions such as these unnecessary wars, these toppling of sovereign regimes, the murder of government leaders in foreign countries, like Colonel Gaddafi. And look, when we say this, we’re not saying that Colonel Gaddafi is our hero or that we loved everything he did, but he was stopping millions of people passing through his country and entering Europe. And I’m sure that when he was toppled, there were many people within the Israeli regime and many leading jews in America and Europe that were very happy that there was going to be even more migrants headed to Europe.

 

And I believe that the only real way that the world can achieve freedom is for the judeo-American Empire to fall. I don’t know whether you guys agree with that. Obviously have 30 seconds each to sum up, or a minute or whatever you need.

 

Natty: That’s totally correct! And that is the line of, like I said a second ago, real dissidency, and this kind of rightoid, Right-wing, edgy conservatism. Like you said, the judeo-American Empire is the threat, is the problem! And if you’re not willing to say that, if you’re not willing to like cheer on its losses, then you’re not on the same level as you should be. I mean, you’re not where you should be. And I’m sure everyone listening to this is pretty much there, but those are the lines. There’s not a Left, Right, divide. There’s not a third Worldist, whatever it is, divide. It’s just you’re either hoping for this evil entity to fail or you’re not at this point. But, and we’re seeing, hopefully we’re seeing part of it sailing here. We’re going to see it fail more and more.

 

So that’s what I’m looking forward to. Not just that, but the visceral feeling when you, like you said, see a cluster munition raining down on Tel Aviv, feels good too. So enjoy it.

 

Yuro: White people the world over shall not be free until organised jewry is disempowered! Inshallah!

 

Mark Collett: That [chuckling] was the most concise you’ve been all night mate. Superb!

 

So, yeah, I think it’s been a very productive stream this evening.

 

And I think we’ve talked about a lot of things that people would want us to talk about. And without being boastful, I think that tonight we’ve kind of hit on more or less every major point, unless we haven’t.

 

But I think we put a lot of effort, obviously into ensuring that we did hit every major talking point tonight. And this was the, probably, I’d say the most comprehensive coverage of this particular issue that anyone will get. So I’m hoping that you guys enjoyed it. And we are going to do the Superchats now.

 

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So thank you to everyone who has Superchatted. And if you haven’t, there is obviously still time. And remember, if you do send a financial contribution, it’s gratefully received because it’s what allows me to keep doing things like this and doing these streams.

 

Anyway, Mr. Skywalker gave $3. Thank you so much! And he said:

 

“You and Red Ice were definitely correct about ZOG’s superior tactical advantage, which I never doubted. Still Iran and its proxies and have fared better than expected. Landing hits on ZOG’s military assets.”

 

And he goes on with another $3 and said:

 

“It appears ZOG is carpet bombing civilian structures in Iran now, as many military bases and missile sites are up to a thousand feet below ground, very difficult to destroy. Do you think ZOG will use ICBMs?”

 

I think we’ve said that actually that fundamentally we are seeing probably a better sort of defense than people may have initially thought. However, obviously going up against the judeo-American empire is absolutely not an easy thing to do they are doing better than we thought.

 

And interestingly, the Americans are already resorting to these horrific tactics of bombing civilian structures. Do you think Trump would go as far as using an ICBM?

 

Natty: It’s possible. You know, who knows? At every juncture where you think Trump isn’t going to do something, you know, sometimes, well, quite often he will just go ahead and do it. The problem with nukes is, one that’s a line that if you cross has real implications. If you drop a nuke on a country just because you started a war and are then subsequently losing that war,

 

Yuro: If you started a war to stop them having nukes and then when you have lost you use them!

 

Natty: Yeah, it kind of undermines, it’s a massive red line. Like I said, probably implications that none of us even can think about at this stage.

 

The second thing is, nukes, for all this talk of tactical nukes, they’re a surface weapon. You detonate them above ground. So they don’t really, in this war against Iran, they don’t really have like a tactical purpose and they would only be used to destroy, like, surface, weak, soft civilian targets, like cities. I mean, nukes are designed to be used on cities that are all like massed troop build-ups, which Iran doesn’t have. So morally it would be reprehensible and tactically it’d be stupid. Although it would just, it would literally just be against civilians. To use them in this war would be like, against civilian targets.

 

Yuro: Yeah, it wouldn’t benefit them one bit. And there’s no way that Russia and China would not respond to it. And that’s not saying that they would launch nukes themselves, but there would have to be some kind of bigger response from them. To get more actively involved.

 

Mark Collett: And I think Natty hit the real point here. The only time nukes have ever been used are on civilian targets. They are not a weapon that is used really for military sites. There’s all this talk of:

 

“Oh, well, people have got tactical nukes now, and a tactical nuke does this and the fallout’s not as great.”

 

And we’ve heard all of these sort of takes before, but fundamentally the only proven use for a nuke is to be used against a civilian target. That’s just the way it is.

 

And I personally believe that if the Americans did this and took it down that route, it would be this fundamental turning point that I’m not sure the world could recover from that you know, it’s happened obviously twice before and it was horrific what the Americans did to the Japanese. But to do it now and for America to be doing it because they started the war and it wasn’t going their way, I think the world would change in a way that we probably couldn’t actually completely understand right now! But I don’t think it will go nuclear.

 

Thank you so much for the two Superchats, though. Ruins in a Landscape gave $50. Thank you so much for such a generous Superchat. Bay of Kings gave $5. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Thanks, Mark. It appears Natty’s dropped out.”

 

One of his devices has come unconnected, it says on the screen. I’m sure he’ll be back. Arab Social Nationalist gave $10. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Thoughts on the spectacle of the Nigerian leader of the opposition, Olukemi Olufuntu Adagoki Badenok and Farage arguing that Starmer hasn’t done enough for the Yanks. There is no opposition in the British establishment. Ignore a whisper of dissent in Parliament. War for jews unites the establishment.”

 

I think this is very interesting. And obviously Badenock and Farage are looking at what got Trump to power. Now, fundamentally, Farage and Badenok are both out of power at the moment and I think they’re both kissing up to Israel as much as they can, hoping that that will be their ticket to a Trump style run at Parliament. And let’s face it, although at the moment Farage is the favourite to win the next general election, that can all change. And he is looking at sort of shoring up his position. But Kemi Badenok is looking at going into a general election where she will be decimated.

 

So it is interesting to see both Badenoch and Farage fighting to see who can be the most philo-semitic on this particular issue.

 

But I’ll say this, and this isn’t meant to be like a cold way to leave the stream, or a black pill at the end or anything of the sort. But there are still an awful lot, and I call them Boomers because they generally are from that sort of age bracket. Now, it’s not to say all Boomers are evil, but there generally is this sort of Boomer mentality of:

 

“Well, bomb them all! Get rid of the Arabs! We need to support Israel! They’re our greatest ally!”

 

And that rhetoric does still appeal to, I would say, a sizable portion of the Boomer population.

 

Natty: Yeah, I agree. And because they don’t really want to think about it and the implications of it. So looks like:

 

“Oh, something else is going on. Well, to hell with them all! Just blow them all up! Bloody Arabs!”

 

And that’s a cultivated mentality. That’s not an accident that people say things like that and think things like that. This callous, cold, bloodthirsty, you know, mentality that’s been instilled in people through, I mean, basically like a real use of the term racism, where it’s:

 

“Yeah, Arabs are like dirty brown people and killing them anywhere is good!”

 

It’s like well, a normal human being, a moral human being doesn’t actually think that way. And if you’ve been led into thinking that some like, cartoon villain version of like, I don’t know, like a Western man, is ridiculous and retarded and immoral, and the people who put that idea in your head have taken a long time to do it, but have succeeded, if you come out making statements like that.

 

Yuro: And to the extent that it is a naturally occurring phenomenon, it’s as a result of having the Pakistani rape gangs that jewish people and organisations brought here and having the Sunni Wahhabi terrorists who are created by the funding of Saudi Arabia and Israel’s allies.

 

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Natty: Oh, yeah, when Israel needed a recruiting ground for ISIS to destabilise Syria, they just used our country. And the overspill where like little girls were getting blown up in concerts or people were getting stabbed on London Bridge, that was exceptional.

 

Yuro: It’s just a bonus to them.

 

Natty: Yeah, that was just like a little side project for them.

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you so much, guys. We’ll go on to the next Superchat. It’s from Tomorrow’s Victims who gave $5. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“The vast majority of us here in Yank land do not want the stupid war. Cheers to all my UK people.”

 

Thank you so much! Some Guy 14 gave $10. Thank you so much! And he subscribed for $10. Well, that’s much appreciated. Remember, you can subscribe to me over on Entropy and Rumble, and that means you make a monthly donation.

 

And obviously on Entropy you can subscribe for any amount and Rumble is fixed, $5. But on Rumble, we’ve got a good number of subs now, a good number of followers, and if we had sort of 4 or 500 subs, that would just be phenomenal! And obviously it would really help me financially and it wouldn’t really make a massive difference to people as $5 is what, the price of a large can of Red Bull these days. But if enough people did that, it’d make a huge difference to me.

 

We also have one Superchat over on Rumble, only one tonight, and it’s from Archie P007. Thank you so much! Okay, $5. And you said:

 

“I was all in with Trump, the great awakening and all that he has sold his soul for Israeli gold. No one wins a war, only the people suffer always. Follow the money. Trump is Israel first, it seems.”

 

Well, yeah, I mean, I obviously, I completely agree with that. Trump is Israel first. And Trump is someone who is absolutely committed to Israel, I think, in a way that I’m not sure we’ve ever seen before. I don’t think we’ve ever seen a president this committed to the state of Israel, which is obviously interesting in itself to say that, to say we’ve never had a president that is this committed to Israel, but he certainly is.

 

And at the moment, he is proving his loyalty to that nation to an unbelievable point! And whether this works for him in the long run or not, who knows? But I think it’s fair to say that he is risking everything for his loyalty to people who, …

 

And the interesting thing with these people is they did not support him when he was out in the wilderness. One of the interesting things with Trump is when he was saying:

 

“Look, the election was rigged.”

 

Netanyahu was actually the first foreign leader to say to Biden, to congratulate Biden on his victory. Can you remember that? I mean, Trump went mental about that at the time because he thought Netanyahu was his best friend. But it just goes to show, Trump isn’t actually. Well, he doesn’t actually have any principles whatsoever, does he? Trump is actually a guy that the Israelis can kick him, they can treat him like he’s their boy, their little dog. And when it comes down to it, he will take it time and again.

 

Natty: Yeah, I mean the only difference, just to add the only difference is how open it is now. I mean, like I said earlier, the other president have probably done everything to the detriment of their own people on behalf of Israel. But Trump is just open about it and everyone gets it and everyone knows now and he’s just still ploughing ahead with it. So there’s the difference with this one.

 

Mark Collett: Anything to add Yuro?

 

Yuro: No, no, I think we’ve covered most of that already.

 

Mark Collett: Okay, well look, that brings us to the end of the stream.

 

Thank you so much to everyone who has been here and obviously if you haven’t Superchatted and you’re watching this on replay, you can donate anytime you like on replay.

 

And if you do support these streams, especially these long form discussions which take a reasonable amount of time to prepare and we put a lot of effort into, please do consider sending a Superchat and we will keep doing them. Anyway guys, if you want to say good night, we’ll go around the group and then we will wrap things up.

 

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Natty: Night guys. I have been looking at the chat and there’s been a lot of like pretty decent discussion in there. So I appreciate everyone who’s been here and you know, it’s good, it’s good getting all this down and talking about this because a lot of this stuff is beyond the kind of political divide that you see in this country between even nationalists who say things like:

 

“Oh, I don’t care about either side and they can kill each other!”

 

And that’s like the best you can hope for out of supposed Right-wingers and dissidents in this country. But I think a sober analysis and a sober talk about what it all means and what’s happening is worthwhile. So thanks to you two and thanks to the chat for turning up and I’ll see you around.

 

Yuro: Yeah, thanks for having me on. It’s been a good talk with both of you. Obviously we do get a bit of this chat going on with the A-Team, which I’m no longer going to be with because Sam’s back unless I’m a stand-in when someone’s away. But it was good to talk about this stuff. And maybe going forward I will get back into doing some sort of show again on my own. Maybe I’ll revive TASOB. Who knows?

 

Natty: Be very happy if you revived TASOB, buddy. So look forward to it.

 

Mark Collett: Well, look, thank you to both of you, it’s been a great chat. I just want to wrap things up by saying thank you to everybody.

 

Well, thank you first to Natty and Yuro for giving up their evenings. You know, obviously we enjoy doing this. We’re friends in real life and I think we’ve got pretty good chemistry and I think it’s been a pretty entertaining stream. I would also like to say a huge thank you to everyone who donated. Remember, you can donate at any point you wish.

 

And finally, a massive thank you to everybody who tuned in. We had really good attendance night. Lots of people tuning in, lots of people enjoying the stream and a really sort of quick, moving, interesting discussion on both the Odysee and the Rumble chat.

 

So thank you to everyone who participated.

 

Anyway, I won’t be back on Sunday. It was unlikely I’ll be back on Sunday because it was my son’s birthday this week and we’re having a little party for him on Sunday. So that will likely be something that may run on and I don’t really want to be rushing through that to do a Sunday night film review or stream. I probably just want to enjoy just a little bit of family time, which I’m sure no one begrudges me. And I will be doing that.

 

Anyway, I’ll be back on Wednesday for Patriotic Weekly Review. Until then, thank you everybody, good night and look after yourselves.

 

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Mark Collett
9 days ago
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@RonP1
9 days ago
On YT comments, I’ve noticed more people seem to be realising that Kosher Tommy’s brand of Nationalism is fraudulent & serves no purpose to British people.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Like the English, the Iranians have no other country. Resistance is the only option.

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Aspect of Divinity
5 days ago
I pray to God that the Iranian people succeed in their war against the Zionists and their Western puppets

@RonP1
9 days ago
A safe rule: Never get into bed with the Jew

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago
I have a cousin that married a Jewess. He is dead to me. I used to talk to his Mom frequently and she would complain how his wife basically ended Christmas in their family and how she’s rarely allowed to see her grandchild. I eventually told her “well what do you expect, he married a Jew”. She won’t talk to me anymore lol. My whole family is a bunch of sleepers, but that particular family is fuked. Her other son adopted a South Korean baby when he could have adopted a White baby. I’m done with that whole family.

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@RonP1
8 days ago
Not a good move, I guess people who are not race-conscious fall into this trap,
they probably believe ‘It’s just a religion’ and end up with an ugly contaminated baby

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago
Especially someone who marries a Jew, not much you can do there, especially once kids are involved. Even if they subconsciously start to realize their mistake, not only will they never attribute it to the spouse being a Jew, but they are caught in a bind not easily remedied. Same with White people who adopt non-White kids. Dead to me. If there was any possibility to fixing them in the past, that possibility is long gone.

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@RonP1
8 days ago
Imagine working out their Holo story is BS, but having to go along with it for the rest of your life because the wife is Jewish! lol

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago(edited)
I have my doubts my cousin would ever believe at any point that the holo story is a hoax. An old friend of my family also has a son who married a Jewess and from what I know about the 2 families, they are identical – the Jewess wears the pants, the family is Jewish to the core and Whiteness and Christianity has been stripped away. It’s pathetic.

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@Theos19
6 days ago
Sounds like jgew hollywood did its work well on that family bro, sorry to hear this. There is nothing more shameful for a white man than to have a mixed breed child. Adopting another child not of your race is one of the most cucked things you can do. Raising another mans offspring with resources that should be for your own – how f-cking cucked is that. Someone else fcked your girl and put a kid in her, and you are raising their kid LOL. I was in the queue for the checkout once and I got caught staring at a man with his yellow wife (fat b-tch) and his mixed breed freakish looking son, I was with my wife and son around the same age. I couldn’t help but stare, it was like looking at a crash at the side of the road, or someone freakish you know? The cashier had to call me out and ask if she could help. After he noticed me the guy looked crestfallen and his yellow wife didn’t have any respect for him whatsoever lol.

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Alice1488
8 days ago
I’m ashamed to admit that I started out as anti jihad, solely because of my job… I tried to rescue English girls from Pakistani Muslims who were mass raping torturing them, I did 20 years in my profession and saw the government as 100% anti White, anti English in every way. Mark et al helped me understand the truth!

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@Theos19
6 days ago
Were you a social worker? I recall some of your comments on live chats over the years, harrowing stuff. Thank you for trying to stand up to evil. God will recognize his own.

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Alice1488
6 days ago
Yes for 20 years! I did rescue many English girls, the youngest was age 8! The government is extremely anti White.

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@RonP1
9 days ago
Purim explained…
“One of the principal Jewish feast-days is that of Purim. This feast is an orgy of hate against Haman, the story of whom is found in the Book of Esther of the Old Testament. The story, which is probably a myth, is that Xerxes, King of Persia, became enamoured of a Jewess, Esther, and made her Queen in place of his rightful wife. Haman, the King’s minister, complained to him of the conduct of the Jews who, he said, did not keep the laws, and obtained from the King an order to slay them. Esther pleaded with the King and prevailed upon him to summon Haman to a banquet. There, Queen Esther further prevailed upon the King to spare the Jews and hang Haman on a gallows prepared for the execution of her guardian. Instead of the Jews being destroyed, their enemies were slaughtered, including Haman’s ten sons, who were hanged. This feast is often celebrated by an exhibition of gluttony, intoxication, and curses on the memory of Haman; and even to this day in London, the Jewish bakers make cakes in the shape of human ears which are eaten by the Jews on this day, and are called “Haman’s Ears,” revealing once again the inherent hate and barbarism of the Jew in our midst”
JRM by Arnold Leese

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago(edited)
The Young Turks, Anna K and all that group are not “awakening”. They are still anti-White and that will never change. While Anna does have harsh words for Jews as well as Israel, she and TYT are still anti-White libtards. Please stop blowing a load in your shorts because you think she’s hot. It is, indeed, simp behavior and quite embarrassing for us all.
She is/They are ANTI-WHITE. Got it?
Covington was right. Being pro-White is something Whites have a really hard time doing, even those that are racially conscious.

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Judy_Izzum
8 days ago
anti-white or not, she is still the guest of honour at my hand party

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@RonP1
9 days ago
Civ Nat = Kosher Nationalism

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Trump comes from the jewish community. He has been around them his entire life. They made his career in realestate in New York. He has belonged to them his whole adult life.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Remember: these jews bombed Qatar to kill Hamas’s chief negotiator. They’re out of control, and they cannot be negotiated with.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
It’s not that they don’t think about it: the British establishment is actively antagonistic towards native British people; it’s not indifference, it’s active malice.

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@noreplacement
9 days ago
Jews, Muslims, darkies in general. They all gotta go

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago(edited)
Next false flag: Nuclear attack on USA, EU country or both. Could be an EMP nuke instead of ground attack.
Lots of dissent for this war on both sides of political aisle, they need something like a “9/11” to force more Westerners to support the war. Approval is falling hard. They need a false flag event. Also would “justify” nuking Iran.

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Truth hurts
8 days ago
Shalom

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9 days ago
Excellent episode title. Spot-on. Thanks for your incredibly important work, Mark.

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Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
THE JEW CRIES OUT IN PAIN AS HE SHITS HIMSELF AT THE BOMB SHELTER!

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Secure the future of our people
9 days ago

@Jagdtiger
yes I know a jew was in charge of the Armenian genocide. And the fact that Armenians are Christians made it so much enjoyable for the jews.

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Secure the future of our people
9 days ago

@Natty
I like that the left woke up to the jq but make no mistake they still hate white men. And want white genocide.

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago
The left did not “wake up to the Jewish question”. They still love and defend Jews. They do not see the Israel problem as a Jewish problem, they see it as a White Supremacy problem. I know it all sounds so contradictory and stupid, but that is what you get with a brainwashed group of people. They only oppose and support what they are told to, without thinking about it.

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Prison Ships
9 days ago
The Honourable Pastor Chuck Baldwin leads +40k AntiZionist Christians out of Liberty Fellowship Montana.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Tommy Robinson drives a Bentley, all while his rightoid followers pay for his “legal fund”.

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Alice1488
8 days ago
The likes are 101 and they need to be 109! Or 110, 111 etc

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Edelweiß
8 days ago
Unless Judeo-Christian civilization is destroyed, the European race will die. Crush Jehovah! Hail Jupiter and give us victory!

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Alice1488
8 days ago
We Whites must destroy the enemy race; they have relentlessly been attempted to destroy us for centuries! We Whites, of European descent must end this madness for the sake of all humanity.

@Aunt-Sally
9 days ago
it was a bit like watching the A-Team but without the game and gay dancing tbf

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Natty
9 days ago
night guys

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Cheers goyim \o

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@RonP1
9 days ago(edited)
Remember before the 2016 election when the bell end said he would re-investigate 9/11 if he ever got into power

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Ulrich22
9 days ago
most people dont have real opinion at all. they all hope that it goes away and they can forget about it like they did for the last 80 years or so.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Decades of Hollywood propaganda had a big part in it.

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@Aunt-Sally
9 days ago
Well done lads, I’ve learned a lot tonight

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Alice1488
8 days ago
Me too, watching on replay! My friends dog is healing well, and has thoroughly enjoyed the chicken , skin and stock .

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Imagine a future Britain that has normal relations with foreign countries. It’s not asking for much.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago

@MarkCollett
– Starmer SAYS he’s not getting involved, but as we know from Gaza, he can assist Israel secretly. Don’t be quick to believe his public stance.

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@Stryker!
9 days ago

@VesselofGrace
I may have to return to my roots. lol

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
“Peace through perpetual war, goyim!”

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@N-towerConstructor
9 days ago
No Iranian ever called me a goyim

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MarcoEire
9 days ago
I don’t like this new term “Epstein regime” it takes away from “ZOG”, which is much more poignant.

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago
“ZOG” deters from Jew though.

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Bronze Green Oakwood
5 days ago
“I’m surprised he hasn’t drowned in jewish semen”
That came out of nowhere, nearly spat out my drink there.

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago(edited)
“We tried the internet and spent years tapping to one another on keyboards, because we bought into the idea that ‘education’ was the answer, and if we could just get the truth to people, then things would change. Well, education without action isn’t worth a bucket of warm spit. We got the truth to people, all right, and it turned out to be nothing but a bunch of noise that was simply ignored, because the internet was where it stayed. Nobody ever did anything except tap on keyboards. Tapping on keyboards was no threat to them, we just let off steam and nothing changed. It is now crystal clear to any white man with two brain cells to rub together that the only thing that will make these dogs in power hear the word no is the sound of…”
Brigade

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
They are banking on the Americanisation of British politics, and I think they’re miscalculating.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
You’re not as much in the wilderness as you think, Mark. It’s the Dissident right that has moved the mainstream to the Jewish Question.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
I wouldn’t lend a jew my lighter, much less die for him. Imagine it.

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MarcoEire
9 days ago

@ArabSocialNationalist
His father before him was the exact same.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Iran, in principle, doesn’t want to be anyone’s vassal. They want mutually beneficial relationships, not to be a junior partner.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
This relationship with Russia is new. Historically, Iran didn’t have options for buying a new airforce, plus they’re fixated on developing their own capabilities.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
The jew stands atop a pile of dead children and declares “AND WHAT, GOY?”

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
The strength of the jew is that he is bold, and he is willing to shock the enemy with acts of depravity that are unthinkable for normal people.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
There’s no nobility in Western leadership anymore. These decrepit democracies have allowed the lowest filth of society to take power. Good men, sound men, competent men, are locked out of power.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
You can’t be pro-White and drive wedges between Western countries the way Trump does. He’s a diplomatic vandal.

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@why
9 days ago
lol.. its a fun song

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@Germanicus
9 days ago
Purimfest 2026, that’s what I’m calling it

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@noreplacement
9 days ago
Howdy good folk

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Natty
9 days ago
howdy troops

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@Stryker!
9 days ago
Lana Loktef or Anna K….choose one

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago(edited)
Dumb question on a channel like this. Anna K is a commie leftist no matter what her views
are on Israel and even Jews. She still believes Whites are evil. She is Anti-White! Lana, on the other hand, it 100% OUR PEOPLE. So, again, dumb question.

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
They’re White enough, for goodness sake.

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago(edited)
I generally like your comments, but as semite you’re non-White thus you have no place defining who is and is not “White”. That is OUR turf. Respect the boundaries (pun intended).

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@why
9 days ago
jews rock

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@why
9 days ago
I LOVE JEWS

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@why
9 days ago
bruh jews rock

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@why
9 days ago
wtf

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@why
9 days ago
jews behind it all????

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@why
9 days ago
gubbermints

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@why
9 days ago
bayonet up the bum is gonna feel like a good option

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Truth hurts
9 days ago(edited)
This comment was slimed to death. (Click to view)

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– 🗲 GamerMosleyMomentUK 🗲 –
8 days ago
Maybe not all you Jews are paedophiles, but enough are that we can make these generalizations.

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9 days ago

@Aunt-Sally
brutal

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
o/

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
maybe switch every episode between players so all can play?

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
good night volks

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@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
o/

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
That seems like an age ago

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Boomers-of-the-soul, I call them. And they are mostly evil. It’s okay to say so.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Trump is capable of going nut and ordering a nuclear strike. He kept asking about it during his first term, apparently.

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8 days ago
I believe nuclear false flag first on USA, EU or bother, then they blame Iran and will nuke Iran.

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Secure the future of our people
9 days ago

@Jagdtiger
hahaha

Truth hurts
9 days ago(edited)
As far as the ” Greater Israel ” is concerned, Israel has every right to annexe terriories from Judea and Samaria,not because of ” biblical rights ” but because ever since Israel was created has faced constant aggressive wars from its neighbours..
When an aggresor wages a war and looses he has to pay a price.
Palestinians had many chances to create their own state yet they rejected everyone.

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@W_Poe_White
8 days ago
“ever since Israel was created”
The creation of Israel was itself the original massive aggression which initiated all the interminable ongoing wars and unrest.
“Palestinians had many chances to create their own state”
The Zionists would never allow any viable, truly independent Palestinian state to arise. Such an option has never been on the negotiating table. The Zionist maximalists were determined to complete the ethnic cleansing of Palestine begun with the Nakba right from the beginning. Such hardliners have been openly running Israeli governments since Likud was first elected in 1977, and even before that exercised power from behind the scenes. For example, the creation of the Israeli nuclear weapon capability led by Shimon Perez at the behest of Ben Gurion; and the hardliner initiation of the 1967 Six Day War to take control of the West Bank and Golan Heights.

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Truth hurts
8 days ago
So you think that when Israel was created in 1948 ,by concetration camps survivors and a few others and was attacked by 5 Arab countries ,it was able to conduct an aggressive war.Ok

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Truth hurts
9 days ago
So you guys think that if Israel is destroyed, UK and USA will be safer with the goat loving Agiadolahs, who beleive martyrdom and the 72 virgins ,being in charge of Iran’s nuclear arsenal.
That’s fine.

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@W_Poe_White
8 days ago
The only reason Muslims pose even the slightest threat to the US or UK is because Jewish-led elites have mass imported them into the US and UK as part of their Great Replacement. The Great Replacement is the Jewish master strategy for stealing White nations from their people. It is not merely Muslims being mass imported. It is infinity non-Whites, both Muslim and non-Muslim.
Jewish supremacism is the fundamental problem, never part of the solution.

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Truth hurts
8 days ago
Wow .I didnt know that the Pakistanis and the Somalians are in the UK because of Israel. Thank you for letting me know.

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@W_Poe_White
8 days ago
Pakistanis and other immivaders are in the UK because of powerful British Jews and the treasonous elites like Tony Blair who are allied with them. Jewish supremacism includes but is very far from being limited to Zionism.

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Truth hurts
7 days ago
Blair brought the Pakistanis
ok.

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@W_Poe_White
7 days ago
You really are clueless about history. There were some Pakistanis in Britain before Blair but it was Blair’s New Labor government which opened the floodgates to mass non-White immigration into the UK. I recall reading an article by Keith Woods a few years ago about this. He quoted statistics.

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TDOF
5 days ago
Read:
https://archive.org/details/the-death-of-fragility-2nd-edition_202507

@ゼロHope
6 days ago
1:37:25
It is far more accurate to say Trump is saying, do as a I say and i’ll shot. There is no out option for Iran. It’s like “shame they won’t come to the table” but also Unconditional surrender, and we blew up the table and the guy negotiating with us.
There is nothing to negotiate. This is like the last time we attacked Iran, Trump started with the negotiating position of, “bomb yourself.” What is there to even to discuss? Especially after killing the pope-king of shia islam. You can’t simply do that, declare victory and leave. Everything of value with in striking distance, Iran will strike. They have choice, they couldn’t surrender if they wanted to.

Kevin
6 days ago
Ben Gavir currently in hospital and his house burning. so yes, we have seen such attacks

Kevin
6 days ago
they did hit one of the carriers with a drone, but they moved them too far away. why dont you know anything about what you are trying to talk about?

Kevin
6 days ago
Russia can’t produce infinite airplanes! come on! they don’t even have enough planes for their own war

Kevin
6 days ago
Russia is helping and Russia has made many public statements, they are just not covered. before the whole thing started every day Russia was sending plane after plane of weapons to them. Russia also spoke to Trump today and seems to have warned him they won’t let the US topple the government. right after Trump started talking about backing out.

@Kubatism
8 days ago
You are probably right, but the Venezuelan stuff also points to a broader context not discussed here – the China future war. All Chinese allies: Russia (bogged down in Ukraine), Venezuela (oil), Iran (supports Russian war effort and oil) you’ve got South Africa next (the current Afrikaner emigration policy of US, Ramaphosa humiliated) you’ve got only Brazil and India left – and India won’t help China

Alice1488
8 days ago
I love listening to Mark, Natty and Yuro! Actually real information about what’s going on! I pray that Isreal is nuked!

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
ALOHA SNACKBAR

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
lol

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Warren Balogh is the master of this line of thinking

@Natty

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
The Colonel’s Fried Chicken was the best

0KT0BER
9 days ago
https://rocketreach.co/orla-minihane-email_748059991

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
DIdn’t he mention Ian Wright in particular?

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
In British politics, crumbs from politicians feel like a slap up meal, alas.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
That agreement still has legal force in Libya, if the EU decides to keep up their part.

@vengeance
9 days ago
i dont though

@vengeance
9 days ago
dawson agrees with you mark

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6rg_Haider

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
I think every leader will get assassinated that are against jews. Remember that Austrian far right prime minister that was killed in a strange car crash?

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@W_Poe_White
8 days ago
Jörg Haider, killed in a car crash in 2008 while leading the polls in elections to the Austrian parliament.
“[Haider] was Governor of Carinthia on two occasions, the long-time leader of the Freedom Party of Austria (FPÖ) and later Chairman of the Alliance for the Future of Austria (Bündnis Zukunft Österreich, BZÖ), a breakaway party from the FPÖ….. Haider died in a car accident shortly after leading the BZÖ in the 2008 Austrian parliamentary elections.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B6rg_Haider

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
It’s because he’s thick, Mark. It’s as simple as that.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Yes Trump’s crass vulgarity and his lack of discretion and restraint have helped a lot.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
*more

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Lowe is a tory of the soul, and he’s on a journey. Perhaps he will do it.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
This stream is the funniest :joy:

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
kek

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
They’re not National Socialists, but they don’t need to be.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
We crank anti-semites are vindicated. Years of naming them, against the protests of pearl-clutching rightoids is bearing fruit. Enjoy the compliment.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago

@utopia148800
the donmeh Turks were jews

Natty
9 days ago

@utopia148800
i get it, shes right now though

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
kek

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
It’s like a British person working for an Indian as a servant.

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9 days ago

@Natty
Yeah but working for people who genocided you shows a lack of self respect.

Natty
9 days ago

@utopia148800
everyone comes from somewhere buddy

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Come on Mark an Armenian woman working for Turks? I like people with self respect.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
She wants to be careful though. Sometimes, she’s seconds from throwing Romans.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
hahaha

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
NO HE IS GREEN!!!

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
She is Armenian

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
MAGA or MIGA

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Tucker is a very naughty goy. He might end up having some sort of accident.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Tucker was recently denounced by Trum and kicked out of the “MAGA” movement.

Obscure Truth
9 days ago
The Iranians have developed small submarines that are essentially underwater “drones” with which they can target American ships. It’s not just missiles that are a threat to Americans.

@Stryker!
9 days ago
Had a boomer tell me yesterday: “thank g-d trump bombed Iran. My grandbabbies are safe” hhhhWuuuuut???

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
My beloved Ana. Watching her journey has been terrific.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
+his jewish mentor

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Yep

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
lots of Russian cargo planes delivered something to Iran

Obscure Truth
9 days ago
We don’t know because help would certainly not go through official channels. Who knows how much Russian aid actually is.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
“You have the clock, but we have the time” – Some Ayatollah.

@bagelsandloxism
9 days ago
they have hypersonic Iran is an advanced country

@vengeance
9 days ago
there are no more missles. they cant be made any faster.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
lawnmowers of mass destruction

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
they say 80%

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
then the party starts

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Yeah they’ve used the old stock to drain the AD systems. The good stuff is yet to come, when the jews run out of American interceptors

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
I hope they wait for the interceptors to be used up first

@vengeance
9 days ago
death, death

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
lol

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
lol

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
or Mario

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Iran has no allies only jew controlled enemies.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
It’s becoming impossible for Iranian moderates to argue against getting the nuclear bomb.

Ulrich22
9 days ago
they suck

Ulrich22
9 days ago
lol russia cant do shit

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
It didn’t help Syria

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Sanctions – and historic Russian reluctance to sell them jets

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
because that costs a ton of money

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
I’m sure that fatwa still stands now that he’s dead.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Iran has this hyper-fixation on self-sufficiency. It’s noble, but it’s not always the best way.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
China will look at this shitshow and conclude that they’ll defeat the Americans if they attempt to stop unification with Taiwan.

Ulrich22
9 days ago
russia and the US suck

Ulrich22
9 days ago
endless whataboutism

@noreplacement
9 days ago
The heat pumps are good for some things. But not homes and DHW

@noreplacement
9 days ago
Heat pumps are noisy and do not get hot enough. We have one

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
Winter in Europe will get interesting

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
110%

@Natty

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
can you imagine making love to jigsaw

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
imagine the smell…

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago

@DoubleOhSieben
I wonder what his reaction was when he first saw her knob?

@noreplacement
9 days ago

@DoubleOhSieben
yuck.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Nihil sub sōle novum, governments have been doing this since the dawn of time since the first peasant revolts.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
he needed to attack before the midterms

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Trump is in constant touch with Laura Loomer, and he thinks that she is connected to the base and he listens to her jewish lies.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Franco,

@MarkCollett
Let’s not forget Franco. He lasted till the 70s.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago

@utopia148800
Doing that might be the point of no return.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago

@ArabSocialNationalist
it depends how much murder the government is willing to commit and I think they will just start mass killing people.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
The Peace President

Obscure Truth
9 days ago
Of course, everything was done on purpose, I wouldn’t be surprised if they said that the girls read Mein Kampf.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
They could topple the regime. The monarchy is despised.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
Murdoch Murdoch episode with the Trump train lol

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9 days ago

@DoubleOhSieben
LOL!

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Andrew Neill looks like a clump of haemorrhoids

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
gross

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9 days ago
HAHAHAHAHA

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
They think they can make the state collapse, which means that they refuse to believe that Iran is a real, capable country. This tendency to underestimate and insult the enemy could be their undoing. They did the same with Yemen. They couldn’t understand the resilience of the Yemenis.

@noreplacement
9 days ago

@ArabSocialNationalist
shows the power of PR and sticking to the script

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
they wanted to hit the girls school

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago

@utopia148800
yes!

@noreplacement
9 days ago

@why
who is that aimed at?

Natty
9 days ago

@why
do we?

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago

@Jagdtiger
I don’t know it’s all the same fake terrorist org working for israel

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
We’ve been assured they do “surgical strikes” for decades. Either they can, or they can’t – or they won’t. It’s clearly deliberate.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
“Iran military says Strait of Hormuz remains open, but any US, Israeli ship will be targeted” lol

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9 days ago

@why
9 days ago
yet you support faggots who want to blame women and hitler — like keith woods and nativist

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
isis k

@utopia148800

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
You guys remember when a jew was screaming at a Russia Today reporter that Russia will pay for supporting Iran than a few months later a giant ISIS terrorist attack was launched at a Russian Mall?

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
they did the legal games with the German soldiers after the war, too. Instead of POW, called them Disarmed Enemy Forces. To circumvent the Geneva conventions.

0KT0BER
9 days ago
Terror Cimbricus

@noreplacement
9 days ago

@ArabSocialNationalist
I don’t think America actually has allies, but I think you hinted at that

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
always, because America is controlled by jews so they essentially act as jews.

@teja
9 days ago
Trump Judenknecht!

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Yes America does betray its “allies”.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago

@ArabSocialNationalist
no people just have short memories, When Bush senior told the Shias to rebel against Saddam and America will help them than when they revolted Saddam brutally massacred them and America refused to help.

@N-towerConstructor
9 days ago
I’m waiting for the sequel to USS Liberty

Obscure Truth
9 days ago
Right.

@noreplacement
9 days ago
It’s obvious now why Trump kidnapped and took over Venezuala. Oil

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Trump, with his bad-faith fake negotiations has changed America’s international standing forever. Who on earth would do a deal with them now? He’s a diplomatic arsonist. Look what he’s done to Canada.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
Epstein clique works too

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
They are using the term regime since Saddam

@why
9 days ago
what are we talking about guys?

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
And I imagine there no advisors around Trump who are willing to tell him things he doesn’t want to hear.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Trump hates nuance, and complexity, and he wants reality to match his simplistic hopes. He wants this to be easy, and he cannot accept that it isn’t easy at all.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
or, or, jews being stoned.

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9 days ago

@why
hahah jews don’t think so. That’s why they had Sam Hyde fired.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
They’re targeting the organs of the state: police stations, hospitals, etc.

@N-towerConstructor
9 days ago
Every Single Time

Obscure Truth
9 days ago
Yes, it’s amazing how they managed to conquer all those countries one by one.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
They are the government. The capital is theirs, and they act as the state.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
I mean what do you except? Tommy is an ex convict and a petty criminal and fraudster. And He claims he is jewish.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
he went full jew slave. Bet he is circumcised too like a good slave.

@N-towerConstructor
9 days ago
Trump went full retard

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago

@Chief_Moody
Hi Chief. I understand why people follow Tommy Robinson, jews are putting tens of millions of Pounds behind him and he has a large organization and social media boost. Essentially he has hundreds of liars on the payroll.

Chief Moody
9 days ago

@ArabSocialNationalist
That is true. lol

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago

@Chief_Moody
Tommy’s been on a coke bender since October 7. I’m not sure he’s slept for three years.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Albert Einstein wrote a letter to Roosevelt imploring him to use nuclear weapons against Germany but the letter sat on Roosevelt’s desk because Roosevelt has died overnight.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
Andinia Plan

Chief Moody
9 days ago
Tommy Robinson and co have been very ghoulish over Iran. How people still support them, I’ll never understand.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
The Israelis are colonising Patagonia right now.

@noreplacement
9 days ago
Japan had already offered surrender 3 times. They still nuked ’em

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
It’s real, Natty. Israeli journalists are happy to talk about it.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
It’s real. They talk about it in Hebrew media.

Chief Moody
9 days ago
It’s very blatant what Israel are doing with Iran. It’s shameless at this point.

Based and butterfly-pilled
9 days ago

@DoubleOhSieben
Being desribed as America’s streetwalker is like getting pimped out by a literal whore

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago
Well that actually happens once an opportunistic whore ages – she becomes a pimp.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Well, there is no planning for this war. The war aims change hour to hour, and Iraq was extremely well-organised.

Based and butterfly-pilled
9 days ago

@DoubleOhSieben
It’s always demoralizing to see conservative patriots in America viewing our country’s greatest ambition as being Israel’s bitch

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Yeah they just don’t care. What will the goyim do? Nothing.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
“The Dossier”. At least they had that.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago

@DoubleOhSieben
Farage has been absolutely hysterical over this. “We have angered the Americans!”

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
9-11 made the anti-war position more difficult back then.

@noreplacement
9 days ago

@ArabSocialNationalist
Not me. The state of most young fatties, they won’t even make it to a hospice

MarcoEire
9 days ago
Has anyone else seen Asmongolds blatant warmongering?

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Once the Bush administration got away with lying about Sadam and terrorism ties and a complete fabrication of weapons of mass destruction, it was GAME OVER for government accountability.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Boomers using their final breaths to comment from their hospice beds.

@noreplacement
9 days ago
Plenty of young folk think that way too sadly

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Capitalist Pigs + Communist Thugs = Jews
8 days ago
100%. GenX is largely Boomer 2.0

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Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
The Bahraini government is illegitimate, and delusional. I wouldn’t be surprised if the government falls during this conflict. The Bahraini people stand with Iran, by and large.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago

@noreplacement
There was a Yemeni calling in to a Bahrain TV show and the Bahrain TV host said there is no war in Bahrain

Based and butterfly-pilled
9 days ago
Bibi WhataYahoo

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Netanyahu has such contempt for the goyim. The fact that he thinks Americans are stupid is becoming very obvious. A rational person wouldn’t buy a used car from him.

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago

@noreplacement
The israelis and the the jew controlled countries hiding a damage.

@noreplacement
9 days ago

@utopia148800
that’s what I meant ha ha

MarcoEire
9 days ago
All true, I wish we weren’t inundated with ai slop of Tel Aviv

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
jews and degenerates; European America is in the past.

Natty
9 days ago

@noreplacement
it only looks that way

Based and butterfly-pilled
9 days ago
The absolute state of the USA…

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Winged Lawnmowers from Hell

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
I just want to see Tel Aviv flattened.

@noreplacement
9 days ago
It is difficult to find any Iranian fight back video. It all looks one way success for the Epstein coalition

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
The UAE is cracking down on videos; Bahrain has banned street gatherings; the jews are cracking down on footage of Tel Aviv. The true extent of this madness won’t be cleat until the dust – or sand – settles.

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
It’s hard to be circumspect, but it’s best to be cautious and not get one’s hopes up.

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9 days ago

@Aunt-Sally
haha you do it than.

@Aunt-Sally
9 days ago
Yuro needs a wedgie tbh

MarcoEire
9 days ago
PURIM FEST 26

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
Evening volks!

MarcoEire
9 days ago
Excellent Germanicus

Secure the future of our people
9 days ago
It’s karma for Mark being very mean to Sam last stream!

Based and butterfly-pilled
9 days ago
Greetings fellow Social Nationalists

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
\o

Esau rising
9 days ago

@ArabSocialNationalist
o/

@Aunt-Sally
9 days ago
Natty

Natty
9 days ago
thats good lol

Arab Social Nationalist
9 days ago
Greetings war-weary goyim.

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
o/

@Jagdtiger
9 days ago
Epstein regime

@vengeance
9 days ago
o/

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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Ernst Zundel: Ernst Christoph Friedrich Zundel being interviewed by John Reynolds, former Member of Parliament of Canada, on CJOR radio in Vancouver, August, 78.

 

Radio Host: Oh, hello, it’s John Reynolds, CJOR. Yes, standby please.

 

Hello?

 

Ernst Zundel: Hello.

 

Radio Host: Yes, we’ll be going on in about one minute. What is samizdat?

 

Ernst Zundel: Samizdat is a Russian word and it means to be self published in the underground.

 

Radio Host: Okay, I’ll ask you that.

 

Ernst Zundel: Thank you.

 

Radio Host: Do you also call yourself. Is that the only name you use? Or you call yourself the Nazi Party of Canada or anything?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, no, no, no! We are strictly only publishing books.

 

Radio Host: Okay. You don’t have any organization, political movement at all?

 

Ernst Zundel: No.

 

Radio Host: Okay.

 

Ernst Zundel: However, I’m German and I was responsible for leading the demonstrations against the movie Holocaust.

 

Radio Host: Okay.

 

Ernst Zundel: It is not that we are political, Mr. Reynolds.

 

Radio Host: Okay, hang on a second. I’ll do an introduction, then we come back about a minute after this. You’ll hear it on this tape. Beep.

 

02 Some Commentary by Zundel on the Nature of Commercial Radio and Its Effects on Listeners

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Ernst Zundel: At this stage, it is important for our European listeners to understand that in North America, radio stations, most radio stations are privately owned and that they live off radio commercial advertisements. So every once in a while the announcer will be interjecting and stopping for exactly such commercials. And it is during those commercials that I might come in with some explanations of what was being said, the importance of it and so on. And it might be interesting just to leave a few words of those commercials in there for our European listeners so that they can get an idea of the mentality and what shapes the mentality of the North American and what the North American psyche is constantly being subjected to and why Americans and Canadians maybe think the way that they think.

 

Radio Host: Hi.

 

Ernst Zundel: Hello.

 

Radio Host: If suddenly you don’t hear the feed on the line, hang up, we’ll call you right back. Okay? Just in case something happens.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay. If I do not hear the feedback, then I’ll hang up.

 

Radio Host: Yeah, if you don’t when you’re on hold, if you don’t hear the show right, then hang up right away and we’ll call you back.

 

Ernst Zundel: Thank you very much.

 

03 Zundel’s Pamphlet Promoting Books and Tapes About UFOs, the Third Reich

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Radio Host: Okay. The present airport temperature 14 degrees. At 8:31 it’s 18 degrees at CJR in the Grosvenor Hot Morning Report. I’m Maury Heskit. Have a good day!

 

Next to Reynolds Reports.

 

Good morning. The other day I received a pamphlet in the mail called What’s New at Samizat? It’s got pictures of Nazi swastikas on it. It’s got UFOs that asks questions about UFOs, are they real? It talks about were Hitler and Eva Braun on board, they may be still alive? It tells you can get tapes that you can listen to on the way to work in the morning. Battle songs and marches of the Third Reich. Very strange pamphlet. The gentleman who is an author of a book called UFO and Nazis A Secret Weapon, Christoph Friedrich is with us this morning. He’s on the phone line from Toronto. We’re going to talk to him about this pamphlet and some of the other books he publishes right after these messages.

 

Ernst Zundel: Again, please pay attention to what Mr. Reynolds has been saying.

 

The one thing that immediately grabbed his attention were the Nazi swastikas, as he calls them, and also some of the things that we are advertising in conjunction with UFOs. Therein lies the secret. He would never have called me if our advertisement had looked any different. Had it been a straightforward UFO advertisement, I doubt whether he would have called. But it was the combination of swastika and UFOs that got him to call us and we continue to listen to him now.

 

04 The Toronto Sun Calls Zundel a Fanatic, a Neo-Nazi

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Radio Host: Okay, what is Samizdat all about? The Toronto Sun calls you a fanatic, a neo-Nazi.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, one of the writers of the Toronto Sun does, yes, in a kind of a slanderous article that is kind of slippery that you can hardly sue him, or you would spend about $12,000 to sue him.

 

However, as to your question, what samizdat is or what samizdat means. Samistat is a Russian word and it simply means that all the material by samizdat is self produced, self written and published in the underground.

 

In other words, Sharansky, Solzhenitsyn, they are Russian samizdat authors. And I found to my complete surprise, in Canada, in the United States, in Western Europe, in the Western world, we have our Sharanski and our Solzhenitsyns. And I happen to believe that I am a Canadian Solzhenitsyn!

 

Radio Host: You really believe that?

 

06 Demand for Zundel’s Publications, Including the Book, the Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions

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Ernst Zundel: I certainly do and I can prove it to you. We have suppression of new software, all kinds of intellectual thoughts in this country. We have censorship, not by a government censor, but by self-chosen and self imposed censorship in newspapers due to pressures from advertisers, certain business groups, ethnic groups, labor groups and so on. And I have been in the media field and lecturing, writing for the last, 20 years in my life in Canada. And I can assure you that we have a very definite system of censorship in this country.

 

Radio Host: Okay, you were born in Germany.

 

Ernst Zundel: I was born in Germany, lived half my life over there, and now I have lived exactly half my life over here. I came here when I was 19.

 

[06:27]

 

Radio Host:

 

“And restricted by government agencies to a small group of special authorized listeners. Samizdat that now makes these vital moments of history available to you.”

 

Are you back there?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

 

Radio Host: Okay. How did you get all these documents that you tell us that our allied governments are not allowing the rest of the people to hear? How did you get them? Why are you being allowed to publish them and nobody else?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, it’s not a matter of being allowed. So far I have had several visits by threatening people that I should stop this stuff. I’ve been kicked out of magazines because I advertise our books. But why am I allowed? Because I go back to the original German sources. I have made a fairly good amount of money in Canada and I’m independently well off. I have traveled the world and I have searched out the Germans who were involved in World War II on these projects. I’ve got original blueprints.

 

Radio Host: But doesn’t that prove that your case? You’re saying there’s censorship and this stuff is not being allowed to be shown. Isn’t it really a case of who really cares? Who wants to hear this stuff?

 

06 Demand for Zundel’s Publications, Including the Book, the Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions

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Ernst Zundel: Well, the 12,000 people, after they were able, through some circuitous means, in fact out through my advertising efforts, underground advertising efforts, hand bills and so on, they were very much in favor of reading it. And I have got several hundred letters by people totally unsolicited who said they just love to read this stuff. They’re waiting for my next books. I put out a second book called The Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions that has sold already in the second edition. And there’s the German translation out of it. That’s selling briskly. The first book is the German edition that’s selling briskly. There’s a Spanish edition in the works and an Italian edition and the French edition.

 

08 The Holocaust Movie and Anti-German Programs Are Hate Propaganda

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Radio Host: Surely there’s probably always some people that might want to buy some radical material on one end of the spectrum or the other. But aren’t you really creating, it really looks to me here like you’re creating a whole company based on a hatred. A hatred of jews!

 

Ernst Zundel: A hatred of what? Where do I hate jews? The jews don’t figure. You see, Mr. Reynolds, that’s the problem with you Anglos. You know, you accuse the Germans of having a hangup over the jews. In our thinking, …

 

Radio Host: I don’t accuse the Germans of having a hangup with jews. I accused you of it.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, basing on what? Is there one word about jews in my pamphlet?

 

Radio Host: No, he’s very careful that there aren’t any.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, that’s the point. Because you people, maybe when you were MP up in Ottawa had to stifle freedom of expression through a Bill called Hate Bill.

 

Radio Host: Oh, I never stifled anybody. Why did you pick at the movie, Holocaust?

 

08 The Holocaust Movie and Anti-German Programs Are Hate Propaganda

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Ernst Zundel: Because it’s nothing but lies! Zionist propaganda for profit. It’s that hate propaganda!

 

If you want to see hate propaganda piped into people’s homes, that was hate propaganda on a massive scale! And Mr. Reynolds, I am very sad to say that not one single nice noble Canadian came to our defense. No official government body. That after all, we Germans do enjoy, I think, some citizenship privileges which is equality in front of the law. We don’t get it! Every single night you can get anti-German programs on television or radio. What is this?

 

Radio Host: Well, certainly you would be allowed to your own movies if you wanted to and put that on.

 

Ernst Zundel: But then I’m saying to you, then the censorship comes in that we can’t advertise them, that movie houses won’t carry it. That’s the freedom. That’s what I mean to you. In the Soviet Union we have got the KGB putting Sharansky into jail. In Canada, what do we have? We have the self imposed censorship of certain ethnic groups who wield a tremendous amount of power here!

 

Radio Host: Are you saying that most of the things that were in the movie Holocaust didn’t happen?

 

Ernst Zundel: They were lies, outright lies! And that’s why they didn’t make it a documentary, but they called it a “docudrama” therein lies legalistic tricks!

 

Radio Host: What parts of it were lies? Are you trying to tell me that there were not a bunch of, millions of jews killed?

 

Ernst Zundel: No 6 million jews! That’s the basic point. Were ever murdered in Germany just for being jews.

 

Radio Host: Say that again.

 

09 No Six Million Jews – the Red Cross Report

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Ernst Zundel: No 6 million jews were ever murdered in Germany!

 

Radio Host: How many?

 

Ernst Zundel: Murdered? Very few. Died? Maybe 350,000 maximum. I have in front of me the Red Cross Report put out by the International Red Cross in Geneva in 1947. Now you can write to the Red Cross in Geneva and get that same report. It’s an official report of the Red Cross, into the concentration camps of World War II on the German side. There is not one single gas chamber that they found.

 

Radio Host: What about Poland, some of the other countries?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, are you asking about Auschwitz, for instance? Because Auschwitz was in Poland.

 

Radio Host: Yeah.

 

Ernst Zundel: The United States, Air Force overflew the concentration camp of Auschwitz dozens of time. Now we know that today from released Air Force documents. They never found one single thing resembling a gas chamber. The United States, Air Force never bombed any gas chambers. You know, World War II aerial photography was so good that the British were able to take out the German V1 bases before they were even built and operational.

 

Now, if they found gas chambers and the American jewish community was always very strong in favor with President Roosevelt, they could have wiped out those gas chambers. Nothing flat! But they didn’t do it because they were not there. It is Zionist propaganda to blackmail the German people and to cow the rest of the world into their voracious demands!

 

Germany is not the way it is portrayed in the world. I am German. I was raised in Germany. I didn’t see one single proper German in that [word unclear] Holocaust!

 

[11:45]

 

 

10 There Were No Gas Chambers Anywhere in Germany!

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Radio Host: Are you trying to tell us that there were no gas chambers?

 

Ernst Zundel: There were no gas chambers anywhere in Germany!

 

Radio Host: What about anywhere where the German people, where the Nazis controlled the power?

 

Ernst Zundel: No such thing! When you, if you know the gas chambers, what they were delousing things, but they were certainly not used to gas people.

 

Radio Host: [words unclear]

 

Ernst Zundel: No, they were not. There’s a large body of evidence, suppressed again and censored in the usual Canadian and North American way, that states very clearly that there were no gas chmbers. We have a Professor of Northwestern University, Professor Butz has just written a 600 page study in which he comes to the very same conclusion. They have trials in Israel in which Adolf Eichmann was tried. The entire testimony of Adolf Eichmann, not one single time mentions a specific number of jews killed. Mr. Reynolds, we have had stories out of Europe of 11 million jews killed! Nine million jews killed! Six million jews killed!

 

The Red Cross says they never saw any gas chambers. The Germans statistically have a Red Cross report that talks about all the people died in World War II on all sides. And for the German nation there is 9 million people, including its 358,000 jews who died in German concentration camps.

 

Radio Host: Gotta go for a break. 685-9181’s our number. 685-9181. If you’d like to speak to Christoph Friedrich from Toronto, the head of Samizdat, give us a call, 685-9181. We’ll be right back with him after these messages. Hang on. I won’t put you on hold this time. I don’t know what happened last night.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, I thought we were through.

 

Radio Host: Oh, did you? You hung up?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I did. I’m sorry, I had no idea what the format of the show was going to be.

 

Radio Host: Oh, no, thank you. Hang on, we’ll get back and we’ll take a couple of calls. I’ll put you on hold here.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, thank you.

 

11 Zundel’s Commentary on the Conversation So Far

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Ernst Zundel: We’re hardly into the program and what do we see? This man, a former Member of Parliament, Federal Parliament, obviously not a stupid man and certainly above average in intelligence. Otherwise he wouldn’t do the kind of work that he is doing. This Canadian called 5,000 km across the continent to a guy called Ernst Zundel to talk to him about flying saucers. Fascinated, attracted like a moth to the light by this combination of swastika, flying saucers, Third Reich, speeches of the Third Reich leaders which we advertise in our pamphlet. He only was cursorily interested in the flying saucer issue. Once in a while he comes back to it, touches upon it.

 

But basically what irks and bothers this man is all the stuff that I’m bringing out on this topic. Let’s return to him and listen to what he has to say.

 

Radio Host: Okay, John Reynolds back with Christoph Friedrich from Toronto. Are you still there?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I am.

 

Radio Host: Okay, we’ve got some callers that want to speak to you. We’ll get to them in just a second. I just want to warn everybody because I’m sure, Mr. Friedrich, there’s going to be some people who want to yell and scream at you, but we won’t put up with that if you want to talk sensibly, talk to Mr. Friedrich. If you agree or disagree with, and I hope nobody will yell at either side of us, have to cut you off because nobody can understand people yelling, go ahead.

 

12 Female Caller Tells Zundel to “Lay Down and Die!”

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Caller 1 (female): I couldn’t hear what he’s been saying recently. However, I have a statement here and I’d like to continue with it. It’ll take about 10 minutes.

 

Radio Host: You have to be quick because we’re going for the news. Go ahead.

 

Caller 1 (female): How dare do the [words unclear] come in now and [words unclear] this very many times? Do they think we’ve forgotten the horrors committed against the European continent and their plans to conquer the world?

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh dear!

 

Caller 1 (female): Who was the top spy in the USA, Reinhard Heindrich [sp], working with the American First Ambassador Hotel in New York with ITT, General Motors, Ford Company, Texas Oil, Standard Oil and defied the Neutrality Act by shipping supplies to South America and on to Germany. The then President Roosevelt, drafting his [word unclear], fearing impeachment, dared not make public firsthand information from William Stevenson, a Winnipeg born Canadian who headed the Secret Service in Britain. He’s the man called Intrepid. Germany was close to producing the A bomb and thousands of men and women sacrificed their lives to gather information that later helped to change all. If it had not been for Churchill, Roosevelt and Hitler, plus the Russian invasion, you might have won, but you didn’t! Lay down and die!

 

Ernst Zundel: [chuckling] Talking about hate. Was that love, Mr. Reynolds?

 

Radio Host: Well, you see, that’s what I was trying to tell you. I think what you do sometimes generates that kind of hate when you try to bring back some of the things the Nazis did during the Second World War.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, I want to tell you something that’s entirely the typical Canadian and North American attitude. You people think that you have a monopoly of what is truth and what is history. What you in effect have is your own World War II propaganda parading as history!

 

Now, when we Germans stand up and ever so mildly and meekly ask for equal time, never get number one, equal time. I have to send out a flamboyant pamphlet and I have to demonstrate, to denigrate myself, to demonstrate in front of newspaper offices, human rights commissions and so on, because we are not even getting equal rights and equal treatment in front of the law.

 

[17:48]

 

Radio Host: Well, it will be interesting to see if any of our German friends in Vancouver fall out because I’ve talked to a number of them who don’t feel exactly the way you do. Go ahead.

 

Caller 2 (female): Oh, good morning. This is the first time I’ve done this. I’m a little nervous, but I am so angry because listening to that voice in the radio, it brings it all back. And this is a tragedy of the German people. This man is talking in arrogance. He is talking from a prideful position, saying that we should tolerate him, that we should put up with him when he’s caused millions of people to [word unclear]. This whole thing is going to continue. The German people, unfortunately, are going to have to suffer for several generations, as long as my generation is alive. Who can remember being bombed in the UK you can remember the first pictures of the concentration camps being opened when there were children. You can remember everything about the war.

 

13 Camps for Japanese, Germans and Italians in Canada, America and Britain

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Ernst Zundel: Okay, may I come in here, please? For equal time.

 

First of all, the United States, England and Canada bombed the living daylights out of Germany, killing 3 million Germans! 30,000 Englishmen were hurt, didn’t die, but were hurt in World War II bombing of England. So the score is certainly far out of proportion. That’s number one.

 

Number two, you had concentration camps in Canada in which you put innocent Japanese, robbed them of their property. And you also put Germans in concentration camps and Italians in concentration camps. You had the same in the United States.

 

Now we were in Germany. We are a dictatorship. You were a Democratic country. What did you, madam, do in England when you were in England at that time about those imprisoned in English concentration camps under the 18B regulation.

 

Radio Host: Okay, listen, let’s go for the 9 o’ clock news. We’re right back with Christoph Friedrich after the 9 o’ clock news. CJOR. Thanks for your call.

 

Caller 2 (female): Thank you. I was just child at the time. I couldn’t do anything.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, so was I. But now we can do something.

 

Caller 2 (female): No, we’re not.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, we can prevent the same thing from happening again by speaking the truth!

 

Radio Host: Okay, thanks. Listen, we’ll call you back in five minutes, okay?

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, thank you.

 

Radio Host: Make sure you don’t use your line.

 

Ernst Zundel: No. Okay, I can’t help incoming calls.

 

[break]

 

Ernst Zundel: Hello.

 

Radio Host: Yes, I got you. Okay, I’ll come back in about 30 seconds.

 

Ernst Zundel: It is interesting that during the next 30 seconds I could not monitor what he was saying. So I have absolutely no idea if he was going to give me some kind of a bad introduction or bad mouthing me or telling the listeners I was some kind of a nut case. That’s a very interesting point. Let’s return to the program.

 

[break]

 

14 Why Don’t You Use Your Real Name?

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Radio Host: Tom Reynolds back and on the phone lines Ronald Christoph Friedrich out of Samizda. Are you the president of Samizda?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I own it lock stock and barrel.

 

Radio Host: You own it. It’s no shareholders. It’s one man. Listen, somebody phoned me yesterday and told me that your real name is Ernst Zundel, that Christoph Friedrich are your two middle names.

 

Ernst Zundel: That’s right.

 

Radio Host: Why do you use those as your name for publishing?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, because I run a fairly successful two other businesses. And when I started out, this Samizda thing, it was not flying saucer strictly. And you have to admit it’s a somewhat [word unclear] subject and people are leery of dealing with nuts. So I thought I might get myself a little protection. It’s nothing illegal. Everybody in the arts and in writing has nom de plumes, you know. It’s a perfectly natural and normal occurrence.

 

Radio Host: Let me ask you another question before we go back to the callers. You talk about censorship in Canada and the United States. Would you be allowed to do what you’re doing with your talking about your UFOs about Hitler, about the Nazis, if you were living in Germany today?

 

15 West Germany and East Germany Are Dictatorships

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Ernst Zundel: No, because West Germany and East Germany are the most horrific dictatorships. They make Hitler pale into insignificance!

 

Radio Host: Why would you say West Germany is a dictatorship? They have elections. The German people elect all the people that go into their legislature.

 

Ernst Zundel: Because, number one, it’s a matter of having no choice. In West Germany, the Allies have riddled Germany with spy networks and we have a strictly political police and a political judiciary in Germany. The nation’s element which carries the German State for 13 years, is completely outlawed, has been killed, is rotting in jails.

 

Consequently, what we have in Germany are quislings. We have in West Germany, West German, pro-American, pro-British, pro-French, pro-Canadian quislings. And in East Germany we have pro-communist, pro-Russian quislings. Germany is occupied country! It is not independent. The people who have been speaking for Germany are executive organs of the occupying powers.

 

16 Do You Believe in the White Superiority?

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Radio Host: One final question before we go back to the calls. Do you believe in the White superiority?

 

Ernst Zundel: No. No.

 

Radio Host: You are not [word unclear] with leader of the Nazi party in the United States then?

 

Ernst Zundel: He’s a jew!

 

Radio Host: Yes, I know that.

 

[22:43]

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, fine. Now if you have a jewish agent, he might be a jewish hero in Nazi uniform if he brings out lines like that that conform with the Hollywood image which Hollywood has created about National Socialism and about Germany, that’s one thing. Hitler in all of the 800 pages of Mein Kunk not once mentioned the word Aryan “superiority” or “master race” or stuff like that! This is strictly Anglo-jewish propaganda! It is not true.

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

Caller 1 (female): Hi John. I was born after the war, so this is really all history thinking, but I don’t feel any angry towards this guest. But I am kind of fascinated with him. Fascinated in the sense that I think he’s really taking us for a really good ride. I think he’s really capitalizing on our ignorance, on all these things and all that. But it kind of frightens me too in the other sense because people are angry and not these kind of things get stirred up.

 

Radio Host: That’s a very good question though. Christoph Friedrich, are you just really capitalizing on the Holocaust and other things that are happening to make yourself some more money?

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds? I don’t need to make more money. What I’m telling you is that I am now 39 years old. I’ve got children born by a Canadian mother going through the Canadian school system that are being brainwashed with lies and nothing but lies which will disarm them in any future conflict that we are seeing coming up on the horizon! The western world is in a life and death struggle and doesn’t realize it, because it is looking constantly over its shoulder flailing a dead horse called Nazism while there are Marxists in the highest places in government, the military, the media in this lovely land! That is my point!

 

Caller 1 (female): But sir, you must think we’re really fools because all these things have been past for so many years.

 

17 Problems with Canada and Its Immigration Policy

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Ernst Zundel: You are asses because you allow non-subversives and certainly incapable people of running the affairs of this nation. Canada is a paradise, and it could be a paradise. And it was almost a paradise when I came to these shores. What we have now is our old people robbed of their pensions. We have got riots in jails, we have got kidnappings, we have got muggings. We have got murders on a scale that is unprecedented before. If you were such intelligent people and exercising your duties of citizenship properly, we could not get the kind of rotten leadership we are getting!

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, sir, I just don’t take you very seriously.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, that’s okay. I don’t take you very seriously either.

 

Radio Host: Christoph Friedrich one of the reasons we’ve got these problems because of our immigration policy.

 

Ernst Zundel: Certainly, yes!

 

Radio Host: What should we do about our immigration policy?

 

Ernst Zundel: I was the only person in 1968 that appeared in front of the Parliamentary committee and the Senate committee on immigration and said:

 

“For God’s sake, do not change the immigration policy in this country or your children will curse you!”

 

Mr. Reynolds, what has happened is not the children are cursing the politicians of that 1968 Parliament. Their wives, their mothers, their grandmothers, their uncles and their hands are cursing them!

 

Radio Host: What should we do with our immigration policy in Canada?

 

Ernst Zundel: Don’t import problems!

 

Radio Host: Are you saying what types of people are the problem and what countries do they come from?

 

Ernst Zundel: Ask any police official. Who are being picked up for, numerically speaking, for dope peddling, pimping, distribution sniffing and stuff like that.

 

Radio Host: Are you talking about the blacks and the yellow people that are coming in?

 

Ernst Zundel: You know, that’s a loaded question.

 

Radio Host: I’m sure it is.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, I’m saying to you that we didn’t have it before, but certainly we now have it. Does that answer the question fairly?

 

Radio Host: More White immigration from England, Germany and the other such as that?

 

Ernst Zundel: Certainly.

 

Radio Host: Okay, go ahead.

 

Caller 4 (male): Mr. Frederick?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah?

 

18 Have You Ever Been to Auschwitz?

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Radio Host: Have you ever been to Auschwitz?

 

Ernst Zundel: Pardon me?

 

Radio Host: Have you ever visited Auschwitz concentration camp?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, but I’ve entered Dahau. I don’t need to go to have a piece of fictitious history paraded in front of my eyes.

 

Radio Host: I have visited Auschwitz and the place where it is said that the gas chambers were, which is right beside the incinerators.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

 

Caller 4 (male): Is right in the middle of the camp. You say, if the British believed there were gas chambers, they would have bombed them.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

 

Caller 4 (male): With all the tens of thousands of inmates in Auschwitz, it would have been another “Holocaust”. Tens of thousands of prisoners who would have died through the bombing.

 

19 Red Cross Report on German Concentration Camps

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Ernst Zundel: Okay, may I respond to that? I have in front of me the Red Cross Report, page 92. That’s an official document. No Germans participated in writing it. It is strictly based on the work done by the International Committee of the Red Cross, which by the way went to see every concentration camp in Germany and had even delegates living within some concentration camps. Now I put it to you, if the Germans had something to hide, they would certainly not allow number one to visit, number two, allow delegates to live there.

 

Now, the Russians don’t allow Red Cross delegates to go and visit their concentration camps, but the Germans did!

 

Now, on page 92 it says that the confidence man, the man of Kofiyas [sp], is the French reporter that I’m looking at was a British commando who was captured by the Germans and he was in Auschwitz. The Red Cross delegate asks him:

 

“What are these rumors about Sal Didush, meaning shower bars?”

 

And he said:

 

“They are nothing but rumors. We have been unable to verify that there were such things.”

 

Now, the concentration camp of was in September 44. Shortly thereafter, the concentration camp of Auschwitz was closed and the German razed it to the ground! Every single German concentration camp in the east that the Germans abandoned was razed to the ground! So any structure that you see there, built today was built after the war! So much for your historical accuracy.

 

[28:34]

 

 

20 Belsen and the Typhus Epidemic and the Germans Told to Protect the Camp Until the British Arrived

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Radio Host: And you say the same for Belsen?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, I can explain to you Belsen very easily.

 

Radio Host: That was raised to the ground also?

 

Ernst Zundel: No. That was not in the East. If you were to listen and hear what I’m saying, you could get someplace in the story. Belsen is in central Germany.

 

Now, the commander of Belsen was forced to take up, because of the situation of the war, 20,000 more prisoners than the camp was designed for. Now typhus broke out because Medicines and food couldn’t get to the camp because England and America destroyed the entire German railroad system in Operation Thunderclap, which knocked out 9,000 German railroads stations and railroad junctions. Now the system of transportation and food supply broke down. Food rations had to be cut. Belsen suffered a typhus epidemic. And the German commander said in radioing to the International Red Cross in Geneva:

 

“We have this situation here. If the war comes to our camp and these prisoners go out into the land, they will infect the occupying army, namely Montgomery’s army, and also the whole population of Europe. What should we do?”

 

And the British commander and the German commander agreed that the German SS guards were to go and protect the camp and keep it while the war raged around it. And when the war was just about over in this area, the British came and they took over the camp. And in typical English, World War II fashion, they grabbed the guys who had agreed to stay behind and they, number one, had them beaten up and the torture of the guards and the story of how you Anglos at the end of World War II got your lovely show trials and stuff like that. That’s another kettle of fish.

 

Radio Host: Now you saying, … Gotta go for a break. I have to let some other callers. Thanks for your call. 685-9181’s number. We’ll be right back after these messages. Back in about a minute. I won’t put you on hold just in case we get cut off.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay. Fine, thank you.

 

Radio Host: How’s the weather in Toronto?

 

Ernst Zundel: It’s a beautiful day, Mr. Reynolds. It’s a beautiful day. I wish I could talk to you about something simple like flying saucers. But I want to thank you for giving me the opportunity, believe me. I do appreciate it, believe me. There are far too few people in the Western world today like yourself.

 

21 Zundel’s Advice Re Dealing with Radio Station Hosts

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[Zundel’s commentary]

 

Ernst Zundel: Now a very important lesson to be learned. Always congratulate your host. Always be deferential to him and be kind to him. Never bully him and never embarrass him! Always leave him a way out, because he too has a boss. He too has a station owner, station manager, program manager, advertisers. Don’t burn the bridges behind him unless you want to destroy him. And those cases ought to be very few. Always behave in such a way, even if you have to give a point or two, that you are the nice person, that you are the friendly one and a well mannered one. You don’t have to be mealy mouthed. Be hard and be soft. [chuckling] What I mean is be gentle and be kind. It has paid for me tremendous dividends. And time and again I’ve been told by moderators of radio and TV, the reason why they had me back on was because I always allowed them a way out with their station managers.

 

Now let us rejoin the program and carry on with the interview.

 

[Interview continues]

 

22 Germans Innocent of the Alleged Crime of Killing Six Million Jews

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Radio Host: John Reynolds back with Christoph Friedrich, the head of Samizdat out of Toronto. Mr. Friedrich, let me ask you a question. You mainly deal in other than things with the records and the tapes about German music and so forth, but UFOs, why would [n’t] you stick to UFOs, and stay away from the Nazi angle?

 

Ernst Zundel: Because it’s a matter upon which our civilization fails or survives!

 

Radio Host: Explain that.

 

Ernst Zundel: The German, supposed German guilt for World War II has taken the militarily, economically, politically strongest nation in the heart of Europe which after all is the heart of our culture and has made it the [word unclear]. We are the outcast today. You have had no German input of any significance since the end of World War II.

 

Mr. Reynolds, we have had 138 wars since 1945.

 

Radio Host: In British Columbia the largest ethnic group is German.

 

Ernst Zundel: Of course.

 

Radio Host: They’re top citizens. They’re leaders in business. This situation with the “Holocaust”, and what you’re trying to promote is passe with a lot of people. Jewish families involved in the war. German families involved in war that maybe have some guilt, have some hard feelings. But the young people today don’t have those types of feelings.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds. That’s exactly my point. Why can we not discuss it sensibly? And why can we only judge it from the Jewish-Anglo, jewish angle?

 

Radio Host: What talk about it all?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, we can’t do that, Mr. Reynolds. Why should German people collectively bear the [word unclear] and individually the stigma of coming from a group of people that have murdered 6 million people, if they are innocent of the crime, why should we? We are not, …

 

Radio Host: Number one, that I don’t think is a stigma. The German people living in this country. Number two, there was a crime there.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, was Dresden not a crime? Was Hamburg not a crime? Was Nagasaki not a crime?

 

[34:48]

 

Radio Host: That’s a crime.

 

23 Was the Canadian Concentration Camps Not a Crime?

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Ernst Zundel: Was the Canadian concentration camps not a crime? You see, even, …

 

Radio Host: I agree with you. The way we treated the Japanese in the Second World War was a crime.

 

But it’s well talked about.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, but no restitution has been made, and to put it in proper perspective. You see, we have to first heal the wounds of the old before we can start anew. Humanity is like an organic body. If you have a cancer growing in one area, the body is sick, you see? And I’m saying to you, I want the wounds of World War II healed properly, not festering. And all those people who put on the Holocaust movie that was seen in 70 million American homes at one and the same time. And it was full of lies! ! Mr. Reynolds, they are the hatemongers! I tried to have that movie stop before it started. I am the nice guy! The others are the aggressors in this thing.

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

Caller (male): Mr. Friedrich. How old are you?

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m 39.

 

Caller (male): So you were what? About six years old when the war ended?

 

Ernst Zundel: That’s right.

 

Caller (male): Do you really have no firsthand knowledge of what went on?

 

Ernst Zundel: My dear man, I have firsthand knowledge of being frightened like a dog by bombs falling on our head, by our house collapsing around us. By my mother being chased by American and Algerian invading troops. By the cruelty of your occupation, by the starvation. Don’t come unto me with honeyed words and say I have no recollection of the war. I do!

 

Caller (male): I happen to be German too. I came from there.

 

Ernst Zundel: Hey, that’s nice.

 

Caller (male): And I happen to be a lot older than you are.

 

Ernst Zundel: Good.

 

Caller (male): I saw it was, …

 

Ernst Zundel: It doesn’t make you necessarily wiser or more knowledgeable, though.

 

Caller (male): I’m not saying that I’m wiser, but you know, when I’m listening to you, I can understand, you profess to represent what German people think or say.

 

Ernst Zundel: I never did. I never did!

 

Caller (male): You don’t?

 

Ernst Zundel: I say what some German people think, those who think and not those who think they think.

 

Caller (male): I’m glad to hear that. Because, …

 

Ernst Zundel: You see, you don’t think, you just think you think.

 

Caller (male): I can quite see if somebody listens to you, then you just get turned off. If that is what comes out of Germany. Good God! You know, you’re a nut!

 

Ernst Zundel: What would you like to come out of Germany? Tell me! More reparations for crimes we didn’t commit? More flagellating, more self incriminating for things we didn’t do?

 

24 Caller Recounts Seeing Ss Shot People

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Caller (male): All right. I happened to be in Germany and outside of Germany during those years and I have seen what was going on.

 

Ernst Zundel: You were outside those years in Germany, is that it?

 

Caller (male): Let me finish, please. Just don’t butt in all the time!

 

Ernst Zundel: No, look, get your story straight. Were you in Germany at that time or out of Germany?

 

Caller (male): Yes, I was in Germany. I was in Poland. Let me tell you. I have seen how the jews were rounded up. I have seen them running around in droves being driven by SS people. I’ve seen them being shot. Shot! Just because somebody was straggling, couldn’t follow the rest.

 

Ernst Zundel: And what did you do about it?

 

Caller (male): What I did about it? Nothing! I couldn’t do anything.

 

Ernst Zundel: Exactly!

 

In other words, you were a coward then and you are a coward now!

 

Caller (male): Let me tell you something right now. I may have been a coward! I probably was. I was at the time, 15 years of age.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, if you saw somebody shot and didn’t do something about it, you were a coward!

 

Caller (male): I probably was.

 

But I can tell you one thing, it certainly has weighed very heavily on my conscience. Because what was going on, that was not right. And I don’t give a damn how much you rant and rave.

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m not ranting or raving.

 

Caller (male): You will never be able to obliterate the darkest period in German history. Okay?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, if the Canadians are doing as well, and the British and the Americans and the jews in obliterating their dark parts in their history, we’d have a beautiful world. But as long as it’s only one sided, I Intend to speak the other side as long as good God gives me a breath to do it.

 

Caller (male): I just hope that people don’t regard you as representative of Germany.

 

Radio Host: 685 918 was the number. We’ll be right back after these messages.

 

[break]

 

You get any interference from the RCMP coming in to look at your membership list?

 

Ernst Zundel: Not anymore. Not anymore.

 

Radio Host: They did it one time?

 

Ernst Zundel: I used to be [word unclear] two or three times a week. Yeah, but not anymore. The main problem now comes from the Canadian jewish Congress and their agents.

 

25 There is Always an Uncle Tom.

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[Zundel’s commentary on the caller]

 

Ernst Zundel: It never fails. There is always an Uncle Tom! The blacks have him, the jews have him and the Germans have him. That is if the caller indeed was a German as he claimed to be. He did have some strange accent, that’s for sure.

 

However, I practically smelled him coming from left field and decided early on that here was one guy that was going to be nailed. And he certainly was! And I’m happy that that is now. There is no way that you can allow people like that to dominate the program by trying to be overly kind to them. People like that who mess into their own bed, you have to be short and swift! Back to the program.

 

[39:59]

 

Radio Host: John Reynolds back with Christoph Friedrich in Toronto. 685-9181 the number go ahead please.

 

Hello?

 

Caller (male): Hello.

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

26 Caller on Japanese in Concentration Camps

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Caller (male): What he says about immigration coming in this country. Well, I’m in agreement what he said about only the White race, that White people should immigrate here. But I wasn’t in agreement with what he said about the Japanese being innocent because it was myself I think it was a good thing that they were put in concentration camps because if the Japanese had landed here the ones that were in the country would have helped the Japanese invading forces.

 

And one of Japanese was educated in Vancouver here went to school and had his education here. He went over to Japan during the war and he was one of the worst ones over there. He beat the Canadian soldiers with whips in the camps there and [word unclear] for it.

 

Radio Host: Does that mean that all the rest of them would have been the same?

 

Caller (male): Pardon?

 

Radio Host: Does that mean that all the rest of them would have been the same? Why would a Japanese Canadian be any lesser Canadian than you were?

 

Caller (male): Well, I mean I don’t have any agreement with it. It wasn’t very innocent. You didn’t know what’s behind it. They [word unclear] truckloads of rifles and war stuff and short waves receivers and everything.

 

Ernst Zundel: And Mr. Reynolds.

 

Radio Host: I don’t know believe that gives us the right to take away people’s property.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, if I may interject here. I have read the story of the tragedy of the American Japanese and the Canadian Japanese. I am not aware of one single instance where truckloads of Japanese rifles were taken away. That is a red herring of wartime propaganda. Now in the calmer days 30 years after. That’s simply not true.

 

Number one, I’d like to say on principle Japan did not declare war on Canada. Number two, Canada meddled in Japanese affairs 10,000 miles away from home in Hong Kong. Number three, the Japanese people who were in this country were legally admitted immigrants, had an excellent work record, were frugal, thrifty, pillars of society. They were robbed in the most sneaky, slimy way of their hard earned property. Proper restitution has not been done. When Premier Kuro went over to Japan and apologized to the people of Japan, the columns and the radio stations in the Toronto area were so full of hate towards our own Prime Minister. Just apologizing, that I am telling you Canadians have some skeletons in the crossing and their skeletons are intolerance and hate! And I am bringing those out. And if I speak forcefully, I speak with the eloquence of emergency. Because I can assure you if you Canadians are going to let this thing get done to the Germans today and you were allowing it yesterday to the Japanese, tomorrow you will allow it to another ethnic group. I’m telling you, if we don’t come to grips with this cancer in Canadian society tomorrow, it might be you!

 

Caller (male): Why don’t you speak to some of the Canadians that was taken Christmas day, prisoners in places there, and they were tortured.

 

Ernst Zundel: Sir, my question to you is, what business did they have to do over in Hong Kong? Did Canada have no problems in their own country?

 

So you see, if you meddle in a fight between two bullies, if you meddle in that and you get a black eye, it’s not like, don’t come back, complaining!

 

Caller (male): Well, they landed here, they came here by the submarine. They were just about pretty close to taking over the Aleutian islands. They had places dug in rock there and they confixated all their supplies. Don’t worry my friend, they were just about right to our doorstep here.

 

Ernst Zundel: This was after the war was on.

 

Anyway. Listen, this is a very fruitless discussion. I frankly think that the Japanese were maltreated and Canadians cannot make any excuses and cannot treat it under the rug. Justice is what we want. Justice for all the people, including jews, Pakistanis and Indians. What I’m saying to you is that I was the only one in 1968 to prevent problems from happening. Don’t you see? 1968, the United States was experiencing civil war on a massive scale where blacks were burning down practically every large city. You know, Watts and Detroit and so on. And I said at that time to the special Commission sitting in Montreal:

 

“Gentlemen, please learn from what is happening. We don’t owe these people anything!”

 

Canada didn’t have empire, you see I can see England having to import these people, but Canada should have a policy that is best for Canadians.

 

Caller (male): Well, the Black Panthers are stirring up the Indians here in Canada. And the Indians didn’t have enough sense to fight for themselves. But until another outfit came in here called the Black Panthers and they just stir these Indians up and it’s just making trouble for the Indians. And the Canadian government is surprised that they let these leaders come in from the United States.

 

Ernst Zundel: No, afraid I have to once again put it in the proper historical perspective. You Canadians in World War II allied yourself with Marxism, international Communism!

 

Now, because they were your allies then, you feel kind of uneasy about cracking down on them now because it would mean you made a mistake then. So what are you doing? You are allowing all kinds of Marxist infiltrators into your university, into your news media, and into the book publishing business and into education. And what they turn out are young commies. And these young commies then go out agitating minorities. Naturally, they’re not going to actually agitate the mass of Canadians because they are so lethargic. So they go after the Indians and other minorities.

 

[45:47]

 

27 Zundel’s Commentary on the Typical Canadian Man in the Street on Race

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Radio Host: Okay, thanks for your call. 685-918 was the number. We’ll be right back after these messages.

 

[Zundel’s commentary]

 

Ernst Zundel: What you have just heard is the typical average Canadian man in the street, World War II veteran speaking. A simple man with a bigoted viewpoint. Basically what he is a racist, but afraid to say it.

 

Now, here in me, he had found somebody who was very seldom on Canadian airwaves these days, willing to put in the good word for the Whites and point out their desperate situation. And the poor devil called up and couldn’t really make his point coherently.

 

Yet he had lived this kind of viewpoint for all his life and ended up trying to defend the indefensible. Interesting also is that the moderator, former Member of Parliament, all he could think about was the Japanese property being taken away. It didn’t occur to him that that’s not the main beef. It was not that the property was taken away. It was the fact that in a Democratic country that was not under immediate attack, was not being invaded, the dignity of human beings was being insulted that they were being herded into concentration camps. Men, women, children, father, mother, grandfather, grandparents and so on. They were robbed of their fortunes. They were robbed of their fishing boats and their fishing gears, their farms and so on. And Canadians can make no excuses. And he tried to make an excuse with World War II propaganda. What he pulled on the Japanese, they’re trying to pull on the Germans. Back to the program.

 

Radio Host: Okay, John Reynolds back. My guest is Chris Christoph Friedrich, head of Samizdat. 6859181 is the number. Go ahead.

 

28 Caller on the Suppressed Book ‘All Honorable Men’

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Caller (male): Yes, hello, Mr. Reynolds.

 

Radio Host: Yes.

 

Caller (male): I know you’re first, please. Thank God from your political deal. Is the other gentleman on the line too? Have either of you people ever read the first publication of a book called All Honorable Men? All Honorable Men.

 

Radio Host: Christoph Friedrich, have you read the book All Honorable Men?

 

Ernst Zundel: Is that by the English writer Douglas Reed?

 

Radio Host: English writer who was in Germany after the war. The book was suppressed. A new version came out which is completely different from the original publication of the book called All Our Men. Unfortunately, I loaned it out to somebody. I never got it back. There is a book out All Honorable Men, but it’s not the same version.

 

But in the original publication of the book, All Our Men showed how the Second World War was perpetrated!

 

Now, you realize that IG Farben was never bombed in Germany. IG Farben had a subsidiary in the United States. They made their deal and in United States manufactured and it said on there, it documented made in Germany was sent to South America. The money came back to Germany.

 

By the way, I’m a disabled war veteran.

 

And when I read that book, the original publication, which was the suppressed, showed how Schrader [sp], who was a companion of Roosevelt went to Germany and became the financial expert in Germany. I am in complete agreement. And I fought against you people. I speak German fluently. I’m a disabled war veteran.

 

Radio Host: Make your point, please.

 

Caller (male): Pardon?

 

Radio Host: Make your point.

 

Caller (male): Yeah, but what I’m saying is this. If you could, any of you, Mr. Reynolds and the gentleman there, could get the original edition of All Honorable Men, there is documentation after documentation. And I happen to agree. And Mr. Reynolds, but the other gentleman there were that not many jews were that. Now I don’t agree with all of them.

 

Radio Host: Okay, thanks for your comment.

 

29 World War II was Above All a Battle for World Markets

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Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds. May I say something to that, please?

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

Ernst Zundel: There’s no doubt that World War II was above all a battle for world markets. You see, and it is clearly expressed in the British Foreign Office documents which have been recently released after the 30 year time is up and American Foreign Office or Secretary of State offices and documents which are now being declassified after 35 years.

 

The fact is that Japan and Germany being geographically in a small area, being devoid of raw materials, these two nations must export in order to live. So they were in effect disturbing the international trading pattern. And high finance and international multinational corporations got together the way this fellow describes out of this book, All Honorable Men, got together and they decided:

 

“Well, if we can wipe out the competition, we will have the world markets to ourselves!”

 

You see?

 

Radio Host: Let me ask you a question. What about a gentleman by the name of Speers? You know him?

 

Ernst Zundel: No.

 

20 Belsen and the Typhus Epidemic and the Germans Told to Protect the Camp Until the British Arrived

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Radio Host: You haven’t read his book? He was one of the German officers who was tried in Nuremberg.

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh, Speer. Well, okay, I’ll be happy to respond to this. I’ve corresponded with him. Mr. Reynolds, that man was in allied custody for 20 years! He was only allowed to read what four different nations censored for him.

 

Now, if you and I can put on commercials in advertising and sell cars with 1 minute exposure over the radio or television, then a man whom I have for a 20 year captive audience is brainwashed so beyond recognition that he is a totally altered, different personality! The Albert Speer who came out of Spandau is an allied zombie!

 

Radio Host: So you’re saying the books he wrote about the atrocities are things that have been planted in his head by the Allies?

 

Ernst Zundel: After 20 years of confinement under sole allied tutelage, where only allied approved psychologists took his head apart and his brain apart, they only supplied him with the books that they allowed him to. Every newspaper is cut out meticulously as to articles which you’re not supposed to read, I ask you in all honesty, can that man be balanced?

 

[53:02]

 

Radio Host: May not be balanced. I don’t think he was balanced to do what he did in the first place.

 

Ernst Zundel: What did he do in the first place? He was our ministry of war production. You see, Mr. Reynolds, that’s my point. How can a grown up man like yourself, a Member of Parliament, say that he shouldn’t have done what he did in the first place? Nations in war, always find men who run the war machine for them. Canadians did. Americans did. Churchill did. Why should we not have very capable ministers of war? He was a very capable technocrat.

 

Radio Host: He also knew the atrocities that were being committed.

 

Ernst Zundel: He says he didn’t. He said he should have thought about it. But you see, the point is, if he says he didn’t, then I put it to you, if a guy in that kind of elevated office doesn’t know about it, maybe it is because they didn’t exist.

 

Radio Host: Oh, you heard the previous caller say he was a German from Poland and they did exist.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, a 15 year old kid who was too cowardly to protect somebody from being shot, then to take his word, believe me, he doesn’t stand up against hard evidence.

 

31 Caller Claims Innocent Children Put in Gas Chambers

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Caller (male): Hello?

 

Radio Host: Yes, go ahead.

 

Caller (male): Yes, I would like to know what business this German fellow has to criticize Canada and United States. I mean, listen. They have killed babies in pregnant women and send them the gas chamber. He’s lying! He’s a nobody! He was a little child at the time the war was on. What he know about it? How many innocent children was put in the gas chamber? And I lost myself 40 people for my family! He has a face, he has a nerve to come on the radio and talk lies like this. And people have to listen this. Not ashamed! You let him go on the radio station. You should send him to Germany. He wouldn’t talk like this in Germany. He don’t know nothing about the whole history!

 

There was not killed Japanese children. There was not food to give them. They let the people work till he died. Until he got killed in heavy stones. And he telling stories for the people. They wasn’t killing the jews and they don’t killing. They want to kill the whole world! There was the whole song made up from the Germans. Germany is small, the whole world is ours! What do you think men like this you let go on the radio. This is a shame! I can’t understand how can a person talk on the radio to the public like that? There’s nobody to give him the answer on it. How everything he is saying is lying. What mixing up Japanese and other nations in this program? They talk about Germany. Did Germany know that there was only 6 million jews only killed?

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m afraid you have had the, …

 

Radio Host: He’s allowed to say is a free country, whether we want to believe or not. 685918 was the number. We’ll be right back after the event.

 

32 Zundel’s Commentary on the Jewish Caller and Their Emotionalism and Lies

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Ernst Zundel: Well, finally here we had it. I was waiting for that call for the very first part of the program. Usually, in the olden days, or certainly in Eastern Canada and in the Eastern United States where there is a far greater concentration of jewish people, we get this type of call by the dozens! Monopolizing the airwaves with their emotionalism. Trying to once again cry, moan, whine about all the things that have been done to them, offering no evidence. But for the gullible public, they certainly talk a good persecution and a good crime.

 

Now, is it interesting that the moderator did not allow me to get back at that man and to nail him. He just cut him off. And then, of course, went conveniently to some commercial announcements which gave me no chance to respond to this man’s accusations.

 

However, for the European listeners, this can serve as the typical call. This is why it is so very important that this issue of anti-German propaganda and of this monstrous, horrific lie about Germans killing 6 million jews must be exposed wherever we can! This is the pivotal question! Once this lie has been exposed as a propaganda lie, the world will change upside down, inside out! And our people who have been hated and maligned will become the angels of the world!

 

And this is what those who peddle the lie are afraid of they have gambled wildly and recklessly that they can can control all the channels of communications for all time. If it is possible for us to break through that curtain the way I have broken through with this interview, for instance, on this Canadian radio station, which was the largest radio station on the east coast in Canada, large enough so that they have two private helicopters looking after traffic reports, their own reporters, roving reporters, large enough that they not shy the expense of paying for a long distance call from Vancouver to Toronto over a distance of 5,000 miles for an hour and a half.

 

[58:44]

 

 

33 The Need for All Those Who Believe in the Rightness of the Cause to Help Spread the Message

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Now, when we can break through day in, day out, year after year, through this media curtain with our facts, our figures, our proof, then a new age will be dawning. This is why it is so absolutely crucial that the people who believe in the same things that I believe in, who are unable because of age, lack of faith in themselves or talent in the media, maybe because they speak English with even more of an accent than I do, that they help us in financing my work. Because the proof certainly is given in this interview again that we can make breakthroughs and we can reach the public. And you can see there were all kinds of people out there who are willing to agree with us and who are willing to listen to us.

 

We have all kinds of allies. But right now they are isolated and we are isolated. We cannot reach them for lack of funds. If we had the money, we could buy radio time on every radio station, we could buy TV time on every TV station. Within a very few short years, we could change the German image in the world, the image of National Socialism, which, after all, was an attempt by White Europe to save itself at the end of a cultural cycle and to start and Make a glorious new beginning.

 

If people would only realize the importance of this, we could change the world together. I cannot do it alone. Obviously, some of the members of the jewish community made their usual quick phone calls to rustle up support and to get their fellow racial comrades to get under the airwaves and to give this German, of all people, a piece of their mind and to give them a hard time. Because it is so seldom that Germans speak out in public, and especially even more seldom that they speak out on the airwaves as frankly and as freely as I did in this particular interview. The reaction was equal. Just as we heard by the previous caller every old propaganda lie rehashed, even the canard of “Deutschland ueber alles” or the “tomorrow the world” business. So often has this story been told in Heideggerd UN Deutschland Und Morgen die ganze Welt, that I’m so sick and tired of trying to even explain it. If all the songs that every army in the world had ever sung was broadcast, I think that there would be some pretty red faces and embarrassed politicians.

 

34 Jews and Their Claims of Having Lost Untold Family Members!

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And the fact that he lost 40 members of his family, well, gee, it is incredible! Everyone that I meet of these people lost 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 80 members of their family. Some 200 members of their family! Hell, I can’t even remember 20 members of my family. But these people, they can remember 200! And they all lost them. And yet they’re all here!

 

35 Anti-Semitism as a Natural Self-Defence Reaction

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The next caller is a female, and she also brings out the old war horse of jewish propaganda, namely that the German people had to suffer and have to suffer because of the world retaliating against us. Nobody ever bothers to reflect or give meditation or to think about why the Germans turned against the jews in the first place! Ours was a reaction of self defense. This is why the word anti-semitism or anti-Judaism was coined and created. It is inherent in the very word itself that ours was a natural reaction of a body politic, of a nation, of a state, of a culture, of a race, if you want, against intruders. If we had been for the jews, it would mean pro-semitism. But because of the way these people behaved, it was anti-semitism. If they had behaved beautifully, it could have been becoming philo-semitism. Or if they hadn’t been there would have been no anti, no pro, no nothing. You see, nobody bothers to think about those things.

 

36 As a War Measure, the Concentration Camps Can Be Justified

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And it is once again important that we make this point again and again to the people of the world, that our reaction was natural, that as a war measure, the concentration camps can be justified. However ugly they are and however little we like them. Nobody likes to be deprived of their freedom. Neither do I. But the fact is we do not have to be forever bow our heads in shame because there were concentration camps and there were people in concentration camps. Because just about every country involved in World War II had people rotting in jail, forgot about their so-called human rights and civil rights. Imprisoned men, women and children. And in many countries, notably the glorious Democratic ally Joseph Stalin killed people by the millions and nobody cared and nobody squawked! So we should forget about defending ourselves but to take the initiative.

 

Back to the program.

 

37 Female Caller Supporting the Holocaust Movie

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Radio Host: Hello, Good morning.

 

Caller (female): Yes, I would like to say a few words to your guest too. He seem to be awfully upset about a story that we saw on Holocaust. That story should have been told long time ago. You shouldn’t be upset because that’s a crime that was done and it should be told. Same like all other wars when they’re on TV, nobody’s upset.

 

But now when that story is told, he seems to be awfully upset because it’s something to be upset about. Because seeing something like that really is unbelievable!

 

Ernst Zundel: Madam. Has the mass murder of the civilian German population ever been shown in an eight hour television special all over North American television? Have the rapes of the 100,000 women in Berlin by the Soviets and Mongolian troops, ever been featured played? Have the rapes of the Viennese? Have the murders, the tortures in allied concentration camps after the war, have they ever been shown? No!

 

Caller (female): They might not be. But after the things that they did, they might be understandable why the people wanted to retaliate because of that you should understand that that story should be told a long time ago to remind us all the time what was going on.

 

Ernst Zundel: I’ve been in Canada for 20 years and I’ve heard nothing but this story from one side. Until finally after 20 years, …

 

Caller (female): [word unclear] not have got enough guts to [word unclear]

 

Ernst Zundel: You know something lady? I have enough guts, … Grant me enough guts from my side to speak up for our side.

 

Look. Grant me the guts from my side to speak up to our side. There is no not only your side. There’s always two sides to a story.

 

Caller (female): There is many nation sides and they all agree. Except you!

 

Ernst Zundel: They don’t all agree, my dear. They don’t all agree, my dear.

 

Caller (female): They do!

 

Ernst Zundel: In Tokyo during the war crimes trial., …

 

Caller (female): They do agree on this story, except you!

 

Ernst Zundel: Because you, my dear woman, there are thousands of books, there are thousands of books written in the world about the jewish lies about Holocaust, the blackmail that it is, and so on. It has nothing to do with fact at all! It is a money making racket employed internationally. Just the fact that a thousand guys tell a lie does make the original lie, not the truth! It is a lie!

 

[1:07:53]

 

38 Male Caller Somewhat Supportive of Zundel’s Position

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Radio Host: Thanks for your call. Go ahead.

 

Caller (male): Hello. Good morning, John. First of all, let me put the record straight. This Holocaust business, this is a drama which has backfired completely. It has been produced by the jews themselves. Secondly, we are they always talking about the 6 million jews, but they never mention that there are 22 million during the Second World War who are gentile, Canadian, British, Russians, Germans as well, they have been killed as well.

 

Thirdly, those 6 million jews they have been smuggled into the United States. And quite a bit of them, they went into Palestine itself. To legitimize their claim in Israel.

 

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

 

Radio Host: All these facts they have not been told to the people!

 

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

 

Radio Host: [word unclear] can look for one side and neglect the other.

 

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

 

Radio Host: And two wrongs do not make right!

 

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

 

Radio Host: Exactly what has been practiced by the Germans on the jews and the victims of the jews by the Germans they are by Eichmann himself, who was a jew.

 

And finally the jews they have been compensated for all the damages. They got $35 billion out of West Germany for this so-called story of the 6 million jews. People better go to library and start to read and look to the two sides. I do not believe in killing, but two wrongs do not make right because exactly the jews are doing it in Palestine on the 3.5 million Arab Palestinians. And this is all that I have to say. John. Okay.

 

39 Israel Has Got Terror Squads Going out into the World Assassinating Diplomats, Etc.

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Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds. The week that Holocaust was being shown in the Western world, Israel invaded southern Lebanon.

 

Now, Israel has had three wars in the last generation. Germany has had none. Israel has got terror squads going out into the world assassinating diplomats and those whom they suspect of being terrorists. And there have been several mishaps reported where they got the wrong man.

 

In other words, we have hit squads roaming the planet, abducting people, kidnapping people, assassinating people, silencing people, burning people’s homes down like they did to this German in France, Jochen Pieper and so on.

 

Now there is an international gang of terrorists loose on the planet and they are camouflaging their international power by stuff like that. And we don’t like it. And the world should be grateful for a guy like John Reynolds and for a guy like Christoph Friedrich Zundel to get on the telephone and to alert them to the fact of what is happening! We are a planet in the grip of a gang of terrorists who are using this emotional propaganda to camouflage not their bygone deeds, nobody’s ever talked about them, but their current deeds!

 

Radio Host: Don’t thank me, Christopher. I’ve only got you on because you’re, …

 

Ernst Zundel: Controversial!

 

Radio Host: Controversial.

 

And I think people should know that you’re around because I think you’re, …

 

Ernst Zundel: What?

 

[Call cut out]

 

40 Male Caller Denies Gas Chambers and Disputes the Number of Jews Who Died

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Radio Host: Hello? Hello, you’re there, Go ahead, go ahead Conor, go ahead.

 

Caller (female): The war was over. Hello?

 

Radio Host: Yes, go ahead again.

 

Caller (female): When the war was over I was 15 years old. When I’ve been around in Eastern Europe and then in Western Europe. When I hear this story it’s been told over the Holocaust, you know all the murdering goes on. It’s unbelievable what kind of lies! Because I’ve been down after war and around Bavaria with how concentration camp used to be. There was nothing! There was no gas chamber whatsoever! The gas chamber been built 1948!

 

Ernst Zundel: A Hollywood movie.

 

Caller (female): American supervision.

 

Ernst Zundel: A Hollywood movie.

 

Caller (female): In a little chamber, supposed to burn 6 million jews. Like in Canada, anybody who you listen to in the radio television he’s always:

 

“I was lucky I survived!”

 

How could he survive in Europe, in only 3 million jews? When you go back to Russia now and count the population the jewish in Poland how many immigrants to South America, to Palestine, the United States, Canada, you know how many are left who got killed? One million, two hundred thousand. That’s proven from the Swiss Red Cross. But that story they never told, people died of starvation. It was from 1944-45 because there was no transportation, no food! The food rationing was anyway. I mean there was no way to get the food to the people.

 

Ernst Zundel: In other words, …

 

Caller (female): Other people died. I saw him laying on the road as we marched from Poland to [word unclear] in front of the Russians, you know. And I thought he been shot down, you know from bombs and everything. But after the war when we stayed in Bavaria, so after you went to north German plain there, when his story’s been told [words unclear] brainwashed. The older people over there, they’re dying out. They forget, you know. It’s unbelievable, …

 

Radio Host: Anything that happened at the Nuremberg trials was true?

 

[1:12:59]

 

41 Zundel Talks About the Nuremberg Trials and the Dissenting Opinion of an Indian Judge

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Ernst Zundel: Let me tell you about the Nuremberg trials.

 

Radio Host: I haven’t read them all but I’ve looked, …

 

Caller (female): Yeah, that’s the trouble, you know you only read the one side of it, you know.

 

Radio Host: Hey, thanks for your call.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr Reynolds.

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds I have in front of me a book put out by the British trial lawyer who defends Field Marshal Manstein in a war crimes trial in Germany after the war. And he quotes in there an Indian judge. He refers to him as “the great Indian judge Rahabino de Pal”, who wrote the dissenting judgment which he delivered as one of the judges of the International Court at Tokyo. Now he would have never been chosen number one as a judge had he been pro-German. He was completely neutral, an Indian judge, one of India’s great judges. Here is what the judge said as a dissenting opinion in Tokyo. And the same holds true for Germany:

 

“The so-called trial held according to the definition of crime now given by the victors obliterates the centuries of civilization which stretch between us and the summary slaying of a defeated in war. A trial with law thus prescribed would only be a sham employment of the legal process for the satisfaction of the thirst for revenge. It does not correspond to any idea of justice and may justly create the feeling that it is much more a political than a legal affair. To say that the Victor can define a crime at his will and then punish would be to revert back to those days when he was allowed to devastate an occupied country, appropriate all public and private property therein and kill the inhabitants or take them away into captivity.”

 

Mr. Reynolds, I will tell you that the United States, that the Soviet Union, that England, Canada, Belgium and France behave in exactly this manner!

 

In other words, the Indian judge calls them barbarians!

 

Radio Host: Okay, 685-9181. We’ll be right back after these messages.

 

42 Zundel’s Commentary on the Radio Host’s Willingness to Let Him Speak Freely

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Ernst Zundel: Well, I have to admit to our listeners that in all the TV shows and in all the public debates and so on that I’ve ever made in North America, this one is turning out to be something else. This moderator is allowing me to say things unopposed. I can’t believe it! This has really in all honesty never happened to me before, that I would have been able to so openly state the German case and also to so openly and continuously attack the Allies. There is very little opposition from the callers that come in. We have had an Arab for the first time, an Arab coming to our defense. The reason why I am stressing the Arab is that I used to fight for the Arabic and Palestine Palestinian cause versus the Israelis with great vehemence and never received any support at all Over The Airwaves. And I was completely disgusted by it.

 

However, that was in Montreal. It does seem that the population composition of Vancouver is different and that this is why we can say more and be on the air.

 

43 Female Caller on the Amount of Hate Mongering That is Going On.

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Radio Host: Yes caller.

 

Caller (male): I really, I can’t understand this program this morning. It just seems to be made up of hate!

 

But what I want to say is that can you tell me any country in the world that has not done, you know, terrible things to other nations, like even right today, right in Ireland, look what’s going on. And because a madman, Hitler, and he was proven mad! I mean, because he did these things, why blame the German people? The German are well educated. They’re one of the smartest people in the world. And not saying there’s lots of other smart people, but just because one madman did it, why is it all this hate perpetuated?

 

Radio Host: Because of Mr. Friedrich, I think, and what he’s doing.

 

Caller (male): Jewish people, too, seem to have a heck of a lot of resentment.

 

44 Zundel’s Run for the Post of Leader of the Liberal Party in 1968

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Ernst Zundel: You see, it’s interesting, Mr. Reynolds, that I am supposed to be the hate monger. You can say about German people the most foul lies and the most horrible things. And you can say it over Canadian radio, over Canadian television. You can say it in Canadian newspapers and you can say it in our Canadian university textbooks. Mr. Reynolds, I went through your school system here and through your university system. I ran for the post of leader of the Liberal Party in 1968. I know what Canadians think, and I know what they do you know! You are the people, in effect, who have love on your lap and hate in your heart when it comes to Germans! It’s as simple as that!

 

Radio Host: How much did you get when you ran against Trudeau for the Liberal leadership?

 

Ernst Zundel: Pardon me?

 

Radio Host: How many votes did you get?

 

Ernst Zundel: I purposely dropped out five minutes before the balloting.

 

Radio Host: Why?

 

Ernst Zundel: Because I wanted to make the statement that a man with his own money, totally independent, could run and arrive in Ottawa and make it to the same podium, speak to the Canadian people. And I spoke to them strictly about anti-German hate propaganda. Nothing more, nothing less! I’m not a megalomaniac. I know exactly the limits of my personality. But I use that as a platform to say:

 

“Canadians, look in the mirror, stop hating us, number one, we don’t deserve it, number one. Number two, it doesn’t make you look any better for kicking around on us!”

 

You know, it’s okay to kick around a defeated enemy, but after 30 years, it reflects on the guy that does the kicking.

 

Radio Host: Why didn’t you continue and see how many votes you’d get?

 

[1:18:47]

 

Ernst Zundel: I had no misconception that Trudeau was going to win the election because I understand my fellow Canadians. You know, they were swept up by Trudeau mania. The media manufactured it.

 

And since I didn’t have the media behind me, thanks to my infiltrated cronies in the press, I certainly had no chance, just as little as Robert Winders or Paul Helio or anybody else. But if I had made it.

 

Radio Host: Thank you very much for being with us this morning. I don’t wish you any success because I think what you do, …

 

Ernst Zundel: Really, Mr. Reynolds, if I had made it, the country would be in much better shape, believe me.

 

Radio Host: Okay, well, that’s how you feel, I guess you’ve got the right in this country to do what you want to do.

 

Ernst Zundel: The results are obvious. Thank you.

 

Radio Host: Thank you very much.

 

45 Zundel’s Commentary on the Whole Program and Practical Advice to Callers

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Ernst Zundel: Little remarkable remains to be said about this interview. On the whole, it is one of the most remarkable ones that I have done because of the length and because of the truth that I was able to say. Believe me, in 90% of the cases I couldn’t have been on that radio station for five minutes, and I would have been cut off.

 

But it seems that either the mood of the population is changing, or that the mood of the men in the media is changing, or that this man in particular doesn’t like what is happening and is using me as a mouthpiece. I do not know. I don’t understand it.

 

But as they say in English, why should I look a gift horse in the mouth? The program cost me nothing. The radio station paid for the telephone call. And my cause and my German people’s cause has been once again well defended and well served.

 

For those who are about to get into the media field, I think that this tape could serve as a good training tape, if I may say so, with all modesty, if you pardon the pun. But I have done so many of these radio shows that I’m beginning to consider myself somewhat of an expert.

 

Look at some of the callers that call in. They are amateurs and you can tell that they are amateurs. They are wandering all over the landscape. And again and again the moderator has to remind them:

 

“Make your point. Make your point! What’s your point? Come to your point!”

 

In other words, if you’re going to call in a program like that, write down what you want to say point for point, Rehearse it a little, say it out loud. Nobody’s around anyways. Most people are at work. And then state your case clearly, succinctly and carefully.

 

I learned my lessons and worked hard in polishing my media stance. I just wish I could have more opportunities like this one to make use of my 10 years of training, my 20 years of training, actually. And naturally, more than anything else, I wish I could do it back home in Germany.

 

However, there must be people who have to do it over here in North America. And as long as we are here, working here, living here, it is our duty to speak out and to stand up for what is right and for what is true. Naturally, I appeal, since this is in English, to all our many English speaking friends across this land, the United States and around the world.

 

This problem is not a German problem. It is your problem. It is our problem. It is a world problem. The German people didn’t create it, you helped create it. If you are too young, your father or your grandfather helped to create it. Now it’s your responsibility and my responsibility, our responsibility to change it. Because we live in this world together. It is up to you and I to pass on to our children and to future generations a better world, a healthier world, an honest world, a clean world and an unpolluted world. Not only unpolluted, that we have clear streams, clear oceans, clean air, but also clean brains! And thoroughly cleaned souls! Because we without those two, the other will, number one, not matter, and number two cannot be achieved.

 

Therefore, it is almost ironic that this problem of undetermined propaganda, of hate programs against Germans drag down those who do the hating and inhibit them in growing, because hate makes blind. And throughout this program you will have noticed that I speak very firmly and very quickly and very much to the point, but never with hate.

 

When in my early years and younger years I was so full of pain as to why and what had happened to Germany, and when I first discovered the horrendousness of this lie, I used to get so distraught that I suppose I hated, and I lost every radio program.

 

As a consequence I would say to check one’s emotions, to make sure one is relaxed, not tired, not agitated, and to try very hard to keep one’s emotions under control because the public airwaves are no medium for sounding like some raving lunatic. Speak by all means with feeling, but never with hate. Otherwise you will lose your audience, you will not be understood, and many people won’t be able to follow you. Therefore, try to state your case without hesitation, without humming and hawing, and rather be short and to the point than try to be long winded. And always keep in mind to whom you are speaking. If you are speaking to Canadians, address them on Canadian topics such as Canadian concentration camps, Canadian war crimes and Canadian skeletons in their closets. Don’t roam around the world about the 1918 revolution and this control and that stuff. Nobody’s interested.

 

[1:27:06]

 

Another thing to remember, stay away from figures. Nothing is more deadly and more boring than to discuss statistics and figures on radio. The counting of dead bodies is stupid and lurid and sad enough on paper, but it has absolutely no place on radio and not on television. I have seen how people have lost audiences left, right, front and center because they try to impress them with their knowledge of figures. Believe me, you can use it as a tactic to throw your opponent, of course, but don’t ever think you can score points. It’s a waste of time and it’s a waste of airtime. Stick to simple things that people can relate to, like stealing somebody’s property, beating, raping, mugging, torture, prison, stuff like that. Now that they can see every now night on television, they can relate to that. And if you relate that to them in our case, your point will be well made. Otherwise you’re going to get bogged down in 6 million and 9 million, minus 472,000 and so on. So many jews in Poland and all this, it is useless! Nobody cares. Nobody cares!

 

People basically think what the Germans did was monstrous because all they can relate to is that they might know a jew who is nice, or a jewish woman or jewish kid whom they like. And of course we murdered in effect the people whom they liked. So what we have to say is exactly what I said in this program. It is not our fault. We didn’t start this whole mess, somebody else did. It could have been solved differently if people had been willing.

 

Now, we don’t want to shoulder all the blame.

 

 

[01:29:13]

 

 

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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Caller 1: The present day European jews came up through Spain. They came through North Africa, through Spain, from Italy and from the Middle East, and they went through Germany and they went to Poland. That’s the route that they followed. The jews are now in Israel.

 

Ernst Zundel: Hundreds of thousands come from under the stars in the Pale of Settlement. Can you tell me that.

Caller 1: They came from Poland?

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh, they came from Poland. They came from Poland and from Germany.

 

Ernst Zundel: I’ve heard of big migration from Khazars into Poland and into Germany under Frederick the Great, to be exact.

 

Caller 1: No, no, no! You’re speaking of the Oriental jews who came up from the Caucasus Mountain. The mountain jews who came from Babylonia and some Assyria.

 

Host: Ah, well, when it comes to this area, …

 

Caller 1: Let’s forget about it.

 

Ernst Zundel: No, in a sense, why would you want to discuss it? Because it’s going to., …

 

Caller 1: What’s that got to do with the jews who are now in Israel?

 

Ernst Zundel: Because then 80% of those jews living in Israel, according to the Arabs and according to this interpretation of it, are not Semites. Therefore they have no historic attachment to the Wailing Wall.

 

Caller 1: Good. Good heavens. You know what you sound like? Yesterday I read a book about a guy who said that the South American-Indians were the lost 10 tribes. They wandered across from Mesopotamia to India and to China. It crossed that Alaska and then down. The Incas and the Aztecs were descended from the 10 lost tribes.

 

Ernst Zundel: You are referring to the Book of Mormons, I suppose.

 

Caller 1: Oh, good heavens!

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m not saying it, man! It’s the Jewish Encyclopedia that is.

 

Caller 1: I don’t believe you! I don’t believe you!

 

Host: Well, in terms of history, according to Jewish Encyclopedia, we have a caller who is well versed in jewish history and we’ll go to him in just a second. Okay, just one second now. I think this is the line. Is that you, Mr L?

 

Caller 2: Yes, yes.

 

Host: Okay. You’ve been listening. Have you been listening?

 

Caller 2: Hello.

 

Host: Have you been listening for the last few minutes, Mr. Lipman?

 

Caller 2: Yes, hello?

 

Host: Hello.

 

Caller 2: Mr. Lipman. Yes, speaking. Hello?

 

Host: Yes, just one second now.

 

Caller 2: Speaking, please.

 

Host: Okay, there, you’re on the line now. Pardon?

 

Caller 2: Yeah, I’m the caller, Mr. Lipman. I want to speak to the Nazi and I want to speak to the jew there.

 

Host: Well, the jew hung up and the Nazi, as you call him, [chuckling] is on the line.

 

Caller 2: Did you laugh at the Nazi there?

 

Host: Yeah, go ahead, Mr. L.

 

Ernst Zundel: I beg your pardon.

 

Host: Go ahead. You’re on the air now.

 

Caller 2: Is the jewish man there, too?

 

Host: No, he hung up.

 

Caller 2: Well, if he hung up. Hello?

 

Host: Yes.

 

Caller 2: Wouldn’t be surprised if you’re listening while I’m talking.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, the jewish man is here. Go on.

 

Caller 2: Hello?

 

Host: Hello? Go ahead, sir.

 

Caller 1: First of all, I would like to bag the jewish fellow to take my telephone number and call me personally. I want to speak to him personally after I’ll finish. My number is [bebbed out] Sometimes you can still have my telephone number. I’m not hiding anything.

 

And I’m not hiding anything. And I can debate with you what I want to know, Mr. Caller Number One. Hello?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes?

 

Caller 2: Caller Number One, is that you?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, are you referring to the, …

 

Caller 2: Are you caller Number One?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

 

Caller 2: Tell me, what capacity do you speak of the name of the Arab? Are you in capacity of making a peace between the jews? And are you official representative that you talk with such authority, or you just an ordinary journalist which writes in the yellow tabloid of [word unclear] Gable? Answer me the question, sir.

 

Ernst Zundel: First polite question.

 

Caller 2: I like concrete, man! I don’t like to talk nonsense! In what capacity do you speak to make peace between jews and Arabs?

 

Host: All right, he’s going to answer the question. Mr. L.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. M. Would you be polite?

 

Caller 2: Yeah, I will. Yes.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

 

First of all, I’m not writing for Julius Streicher.

 

Caller 1: I beg your pardon?

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m not writing for Julius Streicher. And the other gentlemen because their papers have gone out of business.

 

Caller 1: Yeah, but there’s plenty of Streichers at the moment. Plenty of Streichers roaming around in the streets of Montreal and in New York and in South America.

 

Host: Well, sir, let me. Just for the benefit of listeners, your response can be interpreted two ways. You’re not writing for them because they no longer exist. Does that mean if they did exist, you would write for them?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, but I was just trying to find out how, …

 

Caller 2: Listen, give me an answer, man! I want you to give me an answer. Caller number one.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I, …

 

Caller 2: In what capacity do you speak to make peace between the jews and the Arabs?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, all night stated in a, …

 

Caller 2: Yeah, go ahead. I didn’t hear.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, then you have, …

 

Caller 2: Repeat yourself.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Lipman, are you there?

 

Caller 1: I’ll beg your pardon.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay. Would you hang on for just a second, …

 

[04:55]

 

Caller 2: Yeah, wait a minute. I’ll close the radio. I’ll be able to hear.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, very good.

 

Caller 2: Go ahead.

 

Ernst Zundel: Radio done?

 

Caller 2: Yes, go ahead.

 

Ernst Zundel: Now, Mr Lipman, if you have been listening and you have been hearing not what you wanted to hear, but what I said.

 

Caller 2: Yes, what did you say?

 

Ernst Zundel: I said repeatedly tonight that I spoke as an individual.

 

Caller 2: Wait a minute. Yeah, but you speak like you’re sitting at a conference table with the jews.

 

Ernst Zundel: No.

 

Caller 2: And trying to make peace between the Arabs and jews!

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh, I say it as a suggestion. It’s a free country we are in.

 

Caller 2: Well, no, no, no, no, wait a minute. There’s a different. There’s a dialogue, man! We can criticize the jews. We can criticize anybody.

 

Ernst Zundel: Sometimes I wonder.

 

Caller 1: Yeah, we can criticize the jews. They are right sometimes. Don’t give me that stuff, mister. You know well that we can criticize the jews.

 

Ernst Zundel: Anybody that listens to the headline tonight must wonder the, …

 

Caller 2: The [word unclear] doesn’t wonder. The only thing is I can’t understand Mr. Bell. I told him one time how does he allow such poison to be spread when there Streichers and so many Meyers and so many. What you call them? You call yourself Meyer. Your father was Meyer, you said. And so many [word unclear] walking around in the streets of Montreal.

 

Host: All right, now if you’ll let me say something for just a moment.

 

Now, there are callers who are barred from the line because in my opinion, they are guilty of what you suggested Mr. L.

 

Caller 2: Yes.

 

Host: In my opinion, this gentleman is not guilty of what you suggest and it escapes me how you can accuse him of this.

 

Now, as I have said before.

 

Caller 2: Yes.

 

Host: I take issue with some of his figures. Another gentleman called up with other figures. We have a few more lines loaded. People with other figures.

 

Caller 2: From the jewish Congress they called.

 

Host: How’s that?

 

Caller 2: From the Congress. Jewish Congress they called.

 

Host: Yeah, well, I have somebody on another line with more figures. In other words, over a figure dispute whether the man, … And a few statements that he has made. He could be historically inaccurate.

 

Now, when quoting from the Jewish Encyclopedia. I don’t know. I’ve never read the thing.

 

Caller 2: Yes, Mr. Bell.

 

Host: Yeah.

 

Caller 2: Not only inaccurate, he’s full of lies. And I can prove it to him!

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, wonderful! Why don’t you prove it?

 

Caller 2: I’ll prove it to you right away.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

 

Caller 2: Listen. No, wait. I proved it to you! Give me a chance to prove it to you. I’ll prove it to you. I’ll prove it to you, man! I’ll prove it to you. I’ll prove it to you!

 

Ernst Zundel: I believe you.

 

Caller 2: Listen, listen! Will you listen?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, one hundred percent.

 

Caller 2: Will you listen?

 

Ernst Zundel: In other words, that we are going to be positive and not negative, that we don’t engage in name calling.

 

Caller 2: No, I wouldn’t call it a name calling, but just listen to.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

 

Caller 2: I want to expose you that you are working for the Nazis! And you’re an agent of the Nazis. Okay.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay. How much is my pay?

 

Caller 2: Do you know? I don’t know.

 

Ernst Zundel: And where is the headquarters by the way?

 

Caller 2: The headquarters in Nazis are still in Bonn. And it’s still in Cairo.

 

Ernst Zundel: So in other words, …

 

Caller 2: It’s still in Cairo!

 

Ernst Zundel: Is the Nazi headquarters in the, …

 

Caller 2: Is still in Bonn and Cairo. Will you listen? Will you listen? I want to refute your argument. Okay. I want to refute your argument.

 

Ernst Zundel: You’re wonderful!

 

Caller 2: I want to refute your argument. Oh, will you listen?

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh, yeah.

 

Caller 2: Well, listen. You made a statement that Germany restituted the jews so much. And you give figures, right?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I did.

 

Caller 2: You did fine. Do you know that whatever they give 800 some million dollars it’s restitution, right or not?

 

Ernst Zundel: No.

 

Caller 1:800 million. I don’t argue. You had a figure. $826 million. They give a restitution to the jews. You said so.

 

Ernst Zundel: No, I didn’t.

 

Host: I’m the one who said that.

 

Caller 2: Hey, beg your pardon.

 

Host: I’m the one who said that.

 

Caller 2: Where did you get the figure?

 

Host: I got the figure from the Almanac.

 

Caller 2: Okay, fine, let’s be. So I’ll take this figure too. $826 million was given restitution by the German to the jews.

 

First of all, if you know history, and history is very young, that when Grynszpan* made an attack on the German ambassador in Switzerland or in Sweden, I don’t remember exactly between these two places.

 

 

[* Herschel Feibel Grynszpan was a Polish-Jewish expatriate born and raised in Weimar Germany who shot and killed the German diplomat Ernst vom Rath on 7 November 1938 in Paris. The NS’s alledgedly used this assassination as a pretext to launch Kristallnacht, “The Night of Broken Glass”, the pogrom of 9–10 November 1938. Grynszpan was seized by the Gestapo after the fall of France and brought to Germany; his further fate remains unknown. Wikipedia]

 

Ernst Zundel: I thought it was in France.

 

Caller 2: Wait a minute, wait a minute. Give me a chance to explain myself. So Hitler right away confiscated all the jewish wealth which amount to $4 billion. Before even he started to persecute the jews outside of Germany amounted to $4 billion.

 

Ernst Zundel: Not true.

 

Caller 2: It’s true! It’s in the paper. The start of civil life. I started the life here in Montreal. I’ll prove it to you. Number one.

 

Second thing. The money that Germany gave to the jews, it’s not her money. It’s American money from American taxpayers. Because Mr. Eisenhower and the rest of his gang wanted to whitewash the dirty deeds of the former Nazi. And he said “let bygones be bygones”. And he contributed $4 billion to build up again the Bonn government.

 

So it’s not their money, it’s American taxpayer pay the money. Is it right?

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr Lipman.

 

Caller 2: Wait a minute, I’m not finished yet. You got to listen. I listen to you. Because I listen to your story, which is full of lies. And I’m surprised that the jew that is a well capable man and that he converse with you. Because listen, I said to Mr. Bell, There is four brothers, four characters. Evil man, evil man, right or wrong. You still tell you that you’re wrong. So why they debate with you? You’re not an official capacity. You’re not an official capacity from the Arabs or from the Germans. What right have you got to speak in the name of the Arabs or the Germans or anybody else?

 

[10:12]

 

Ernst Zundel: That’s why you don’t like to talk to me. I’m just a goy.

 

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

 

Ernst Zundel: You don’t like the other chap to even converse with this fantastic goy.

 

Caller 2: What goy? Anyway, go on. This language is French to me.

 

Ernst Zundel: You don’t speak Yiddish?

 

Caller 2: I speak Yiddish, yes. Goy is Hebrew. Goy means if you know Hebrew, goy means a nation, it’s not an individual. And he don’t even know the interpretation of goy. You don’t even know the interpretation of goyim.

 

Hello, Wait a minute. Listen, big shot. Goyim is plural, means nation. Goy means one race.

 

Ernst Zundel: And who is referred to usually as goyim?

 

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

 

Ernst Zundel: Who is usually referred to as goyim?

 

Caller 2: They referred goyim. Because these people that say goy, they are ignorant. They don’t know what they’re talking about. Because goy means a race, one, a nation, I mean. And goyim is plural. So they don’t know. You just inquire if I’m in the wrong, I’ll give anything. You see?

 

Ernst Zundel: Right. Go on.

 

Caller 2: And number one, and we don’t use such language as “dirty jews” or any or anything else. When we. In our scriptures, if you want to know it’s written, when we go to the synagogue, we say:

 

“My Lord, forgive us all our sins. And also to those who live among us. Strangers that live among us.”

 

In other words, we pray for the non-jews too.

 

And as far as persecution is concerned, no jew persecuted yet a non-jew. It’s in history. And we were persecuted for 2,000 years.

 

And let me tell you one thing. I said sometimes I speak French. It’s [words unclear] English. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Give me a chance.

 

Ernst Zundel: I think the Old testament.

 

Caller 2: No, no, no! I want to prove my point that the worst jew, the worst jew, which is called Judas Ishkariot, had a conscience. And when betrayed Jesus Christ, he gave him the kiss of death. His conscious part of him. And he hanged himself. And I never seen non-jew that is conscious of him by attacking a jew, he shall hang himself. I never seen yet.

 

I said this to French people many times. But I’m French. I live with French more than the jews. If I speak French just as fluent as Yiddish.

 

Ernst Zundel: Are we a bit far off the point, don’t you think?

 

Caller 2: Go ahead. No, no, This is a good point. Pardon me. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. I’ll listen to you. Then ask me question.

 

Ernst Zundel: No. You guys want to repeat all my arguments and call me and find out that I was a real liar and spreader of poison?

 

Caller 2: Yeah. I prove it to you and I mean it. If I said the word liar, it’s too mild. But I wouldn’t use any more of this word. I’ll debate with you like man to man. I’ll debate with you like man to man without any insults anymore.

 

Ernst Zundel: Would you say I’m maybe a super liar?

 

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

 

Ernst Zundel: Maybe I’m a super liar.

 

Caller 2: Well, even this is mild.

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh, well, maybe we can find some other adjectives.

 

Caller 2: Yeah. Anyway. No, no, don’t worry. You’re a coward because when the man put you to the wall, cornered you last time, you ran away because you couldn’t take it.

 

Ernst Zundel: When was that?

 

Caller 2: That was two, three nights ago.

 

Ernst Zundel: Was the same man I spoke to?

 

Caller 2: The same man you spoke to? Yeah. He cornered you and you ran away and then you came back.

 

Ernst Zundel: The same man that I spoke to tonight for one hour that hung up on me!

 

Caller 2: No, no, no, no! You spoke tonight to the jewish family is well eloquent, but you’re still not acquainted well, with jewish history and world history.

 

Host: Right. That’s why I got you on the line, sir.

 

Now if we can dispense with personalities. You have accused the man of being a Nazi and of spreading poison. And you can’t for the life of you see why I permit it on the program. You will have to give me an example of a lie that amounts to spreading poison.

 

Caller 2: Yeah, I’ll give it to you.

 

Host: Good.

 

[13:48]

 

 

Caller 2: Of course, I’ll give it plenty. I got it in my [word unclear] my dear man, I got in my [word unclear].

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

 

Caller 2: And then here I give you the first example.

 

First of all, he said that the jews always lived with the Arabs. And first in harmony all the time, the Semite Arabs, I mean. And Palestine around there in the Middle East. The jews were always persecuted by the Arabs in Casablanca they had no right to walk on the sidewalk. Just like the negro had no right to walk in Alabama. Exactly the same thing for the last, 2,000 years! People in Casablanca lived in a ghetto and they couldn’t go out and they couldn’t show their faces, number one.

 

Ernst Zundel: But I didn’t say it’s the same.

 

Caller 2: No, no, no, no! You said once before. Not tonight. You said before the jews lived well with the Arabs. And I know history. You don’t know my history, but I know your history, my friend.

 

Ernst Zundel: I never said that.

 

Caller 2: Yeah, you said it last time. I’m not speaking tonight. And many Arabs made the statement that the jews never fought with the Arabs before. They lived in harmony, they understood each other, they were brotherly till the zionism came. I’m not a Zionist. I never will be a Zionist. I’m a jew.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Lipman, why not.

 

Caller 2: What?

 

Ernst Zundel: What are the points that you differ with zionism?

 

Caller 2: What are the points differ what?

 

Ernst Zundel: Can you give us points where you differ with zionism?

 

Caller 2: Speak louder. I can’t hear good.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr Lipman.

 

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

 

Ernst Zundel: Why would you not be a Zionist?

 

Caller 2: Why?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

 

Caller 2: Because theoretically I don’t agree with them.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, in other words, you wouldn’t say that the idea of zionism to found a jewish homeland in Palestine, …

 

Caller 2: Yes.

 

Ernst Zundel: Doesn’t please you?

 

Caller 2: Yeah. It doesn’t mean to say that I’m a Zionist, because if jews have to have a home. First, I’m a Canadian and first, the 6 million jews are Americans, they’re not Zionist. Not all of them are Zionists. If they’re Zionist, some of them is their business. But I’m not. I’m speaking myself.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah, but listen, I’m very interested.

 

Caller 2: Yes, yeah, I’ll do to you. I’ll give it to you.

 

Ernst Zundel: Very good.

 

Caller 2: Well, all right. If Mr. Bell permit a time, I’ll give it to you as much as you want.

 

Host: Well, you have seven minutes, sir.

 

Caller 2: Okay, then listen. I made a statement that if I’m not mistaken to Mr. Bell that we jews in Europe before the Hitler Holocaust, before the Nazis tried to spit their dirt in the world, we jews fought zionism with all our might in the street because we find it impractical! We said that we live in Europe 10,050 years. We have more right to demand our rights in Europe and live there than to the rights on Palestine. Right? Listen to this. Just a moment. I’ll give it to you. This story. We had a jewish organization which is called Bund.

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh yes, I know about this.

 

Caller 2: Yeah, you know everything. Hey, you’re a real Nazi! You know all the information!

 

Host: Sir, you asked him if he knew. He said yes, he knew!

 

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

 

Host: I said you asked him if he was aware of a certain fact. He admitted to being aware of the fact.

 

[16:46]

 

 

Caller 2: Okay.

 

Anyway, I’m hearing the Nazi organization, the jewish bund, which is a socialistic organization, they didn’t believe that the sand of Palestine shall be recultivated. And they said we have no right to think of Palestine because it’s impractical. Because the jews are living at their roots are in Europe. They live 10,050 years. And we shall try to fight our best for the rights of the jews which they entitled to.

 

Host: Which agrees with what the caller number one read from the encyclopedia. So I would assume that the encyclopedia is basically Zionist in its thinking.

 

Caller 2: I beg your pardon? I didn’t hear that.

 

Host: Did you hear me caller number one?

 

Ernst Zundel: I did.

 

Host: Would you agree with that?

 

Caller 2: Did you repeat that? I didn’t hear all this conversation tonight.

 

Host: Well, what you just said is similar to what the caller number one read from a Jewish Encyclopedia.

 

Caller 2: What do you read?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, you will listen.

 

Host: Well, what you said, sir, basically what you said is what he read from the encyclopedia. So I am suggesting that because the other gentleman questioned the encyclopedia, I am suggesting that conceivably it is a Zionist publication.

 

Ernst Zundel: I suppose so.

 

Host: Would you say that does sound reasonable to you, number one?

 

Ernst Zundel: Not really, no. I don’t think that the Jewish Encyclopedia that I’m referring to is a Zionist publication.

 

Host: Well, curiously, it’s, …

 

Ernst Zundel: Let’s say, it saying the same thing.

 

Host: I shouldn’t have said that. I should have said, as I phrased it the first time Zionist in its, …

 

Caller 2: Mr. Bell, let me explain, please. Mr. Bell.

 

Host: Yeah, okay, go ahead.

 

Caller 2: I know my history well and I can explain it. And even a man who is 100% against the jews, you cannot refute my argument because the truth speaks for itself. You can expose, you cannot expose the truth! You can expose a lie.

 

Host: Right? Well, again, that’s why I brought you on the line because you know, we have had a number of discussions based on jewish history. And you do know jewish history.

 

Caller 2: I’ve had many conversations with ardent jew baiters in Quebec City. And I spoke with a man two and a half hours and in his hotel, and there was pleasant 20 Frenchmen. And he spoke the same language as Hitler and I exposed out of him and the Frenchman, which is a wonderful people. The moment he sees the truth, he came over. And he slapped him in the back and he said to him, you lost your discussion because the jew had the best of you! You see.

 

Ernst Zundel: Listen.

 

Caller 2: Hello.

 

Ernst Zundel: I just would like to find out. You said before that the jews had lived in Europe for 10,050 years.

 

Caller 2: Yes.

 

[19:26]

 

Caller 2: Not 10,050 years. Thousand and fifty. Not 10,000.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

 

Caller 2: If you know history, man!

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, I wonder if it is your, …

 

Caller 2: I wish you should know your history as I know! You don’t know your history. You just try to, …

 

Host: Well, I suggested that we not engage in personalities. We try to stick to the facts. So if you’ll proceed sir, …

 

Caller 2: I want to speak about the bund.

 

Host: Yeah, well the seven minutes you had is now three minutes.

 

Caller 2: Well, I don’t know. What can I do? Listen, you gave him so much time. You don’t give me time, Mr. Bell.

 

Host: I’m giving you time to make your case. But you are wasting all of your time by engaging in personalities.

 

Caller 2: You spend so much time to give him and you don’t give me time to explain to refute the argument.

 

Host: Well, you are one of many callers who are calling in to refute the argument. But you’re wasting your time with personality.

 

Caller 2: I’m not talking out of my people either. Like the rabbis, the rabbi. The rabbis, the religious rabbi were against Palestine too before it the holocaust of Hitler. Because they, from religious point of view, they believe that Messiah has to come. And they [word unclear] evil freedom. And the [word unclear] jew didn’t believe in that. He believed that we had to free ourselves with our own capability and with our own power.

 

And that’s why they fought those Zionists in the streets of Warsaw, in the streets of other places where jews live. That we shall fight for our rights in Europe. But here came Hitler and many Hitlers. He said after we lived in Europe 1,050 years, we are fifth class citizens and they try to destroy us. And we had to leave against our own will. So every jew, even a non-zionist like me, I’m a non-zionist. I came to convince that every jew, a jew is supposed to have a home. And where he lives, if he hasn’t got a home, his place is in Israel. And if he’s got a home in Canada, he has no business to think of Israel. Except, shall I say spiritually and financially he could help and morally. But as far as physically, it’s got nothing in common with Israel. You hear me?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I hear you.

 

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I hear you very loud and clear, sir.

 

Caller 2: You hear me?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

 

[21:43]

 

 

Caller 2: Okay. So it shows you that a man like me that was against Zionist and yet many times debates in Europe against zionism and we.

 

And today I’m 100% backing Israel because every jew that knows after what we went through. Wait a minute. Besides that, I want., … This is not the point. I want the proof, facts, never mind statistics. You, I want to [words unclear] from the subject. The compensation that the Germans give these murderers that murdered 6 million jews. I don’t mean the German people, the German rulers. I don’t accuse the German people. I accuse the German ruler.s These German rulers and that killed the people. They paid their [word unclear]. They took away 10 times, 10 times 100 times as much as they give. And what they give, they give you one cent of their own. That was American taxpayers money. Because Eisenhower and the rest of the American people, I mean that’s the American rulers, not the people, wanted to whitewash their crime and to give them asylum and those that will run away from there and to give them as anti-[word unclear] against whatever political views they have. And they wanted to keep them in line to whitewash their faces. Because you cannot whitewash a criminal! Every criminal is a criminal!

 

Ernst Zundel: What crimes did Eisenhower commit against jews?

 

Caller 2: When he said “let bygones be bygones”. When he’s seen himself what happened in Belsenberg, he see with his own eyes the way the jews, … The English bulldozers were cleaned away to their grave because they couldn’t come near to them. They had to use bulldozers. And he had the nerve, the audacity to say that bygones be bygones after what he’s seen. That no human being can finish him like that, what he’s seen.

 

Ernst Zundel: And for that statement he paid $4 billion American dollars. Right?

 

Caller 1: And not him alone! The only paying behind them, the rulers, not the American people. The American people, the taxpayers pay. But he forced them to pay $4 billion to build out the Germany. Isn’t it seen that Germany has to lend money now to Canada. And she was defeated by us.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr Lipman, who was the gang behind Eisenhower?

 

Caller 2: What was the gang?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

 

Caller 2: All these Republican wheelers and dealers. All these Republican wheelers and dealers. And the same time applies not only the American wheelers and dealers. Applies to the Canadian wheelers and dealers. Applies to the English wheelers and dealers. I’m not speaking of people, the people are innocent. The jews, the Arabs are innocent. The English are innocent. The Americans are innocent. They are suckers!

 

Ernst Zundel: Are the German innocent?

 

Caller 2: The Germans are innocent to a certain extent. But one thing I say the Germans never express themselves to the, at least not all them are guilty. How shall I say morally they are guilty, but not physically. Because not everyone participates in the murder of the jews. It’s stupid to say that! But at least they should have collective shame. They didn’t even express collective shame. I didn’t see a German yet to bow his head and say:

 

“We are sorry what happened to the jews!”

 

They still stick to their own.

 

[24:54]

 

 

Host: Gentlemen, we’re a couple of minutes late with the 2 o’clock news and we have to break for it now.

 

Caller 2: Hey, anyway, listen. Don’t allow this poison to be spread. Let him go and hang himself like Ribbentrop!

 

Host: Well, sir, you’ve been on for some time and you still haven’t given us an example of poison.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Roberts.

 

Host: Well, [chuckling] he hung up on us again. Since the program as of next Monday starts running around 9:00. Complete idiot or something. I fail to see why I am being accused of being anti-Israeli. The caller on the line right now has stated a time or two that he is not anti-Israeli.

 

Ernst Zundel: Not at all Mr. Bell. I have no reason for anti-Israeli. Like in every other subject you must look at all sides in as unemotionally as possible. Now I know Mr. Lipman, I have heard of him. I also have read. I read all the jewish papers. I know what they are saying. I understand that they are very much involved. And I deplore the bloodshed in Israel. I deplore the terrorist raids against Israel. That’s why I suggested a very humble suggestion. I have stressed that and stressed it again. Possibly this might prove a way out. But I’m definitely not anti-Israeli! And everybody that knows me at university and has read my political party program when I was running for the Liberal Party, everybody knows. And I am a card carrying member of the Liberal Party. I am not, as one the first caller suggested, a neo-Nazi, or a Nazi as the second caller suggested. I don’t see where name calling gets us. If I am something. I am a young man that will have to live on this planet for a good long time. I hope 40, 50 years. And so my two sons that they are born in Canada by a Canadian mother.

 

So you see, all I am saying is I don’t want the world to blow up. So as a young man, a student at University of Political Science, I’m saying, have I maybe got an original thought? Is that a crime? I don’t want to offend anybody or hurt anybody. I’m just making this as a I hope a legitimate suggestion. Now if some of my figures are wrong, then I am sorry. I will certainly call these people back and I will certainly tomorrow call the Israeli consulate and find out what they have to say.

 

Host: Right, good. I’m glad you committed yourself to that.

 

Ernst Zundel: I definitely will do that.

 

Host: Fine. Would you say standby please and on CKGM. Good morning, sir.

 

Caller 3: [words unclear] I’ll hang up.

 

Host: Pardon?

 

Caller 3: [word unclear]

 

Host: Yeah, go right ahead, sir.

 

Caller 3: An upline show. I’m not by CKGS, the forum of healthy controversy and exchange of opinion.

 

Host: That’s true.

 

Caller 3: Yes. About two hours ago I opened the radio. I listened to some enormous deliberate distortions of facts! So that I was unable to go to sleep.

 

Actually I should have been in bed now because I had moved [word unclear] very early in the morning. But I couldn’t go to sleep. It’s a person whom I heard already a few times. In fact a few weeks ago he called Mr. David Bassett. As I answered later. He started to throw in figures like $14 billion. And he said that the figures were supplied by the German consulate.

 

Of course this is a lie! And after Geobbel’s said:

 

“Repeat a lie a thousand times and people will believe it!”

 

It’s such a big lie! I don’t know because he doesn’t seem ignorant because I don’t know if he realizes what $14 billion means. Here I have the figures in the latest. The New Middle East issue of December. It’s a monthly issue. A monthly paper issued in London. And they give the figures between. It’s a study about Israeli economy and they give the capital in different tables. And one table I see capital import sby major [word unclear]. From 1950 to 1967, 17 years German personal institutions $1, 190,000. German reparation. It just means to the government.

 

Host: I assume you mean 1,019,000,000.

 

Caller 3:1, 190,000,000. Yes.

 

Host: Yeah.

 

Caller 3: German reparation means to the government, [word unclear] which gives a total of over $1, 900,000,000, from 1950 to 1967. This is one fact. And this gentleman started to come with a figure like 15 billion.

 

And then he changed. He said maybe 7 billion. And then I don’t know.

 

[30:27]

 

 

Caller 4: (female) [garbled voice] What happened to the jews. It doesn’t matter whether it’s jews. Any nationality. It’s hard. It’s trans to me shaking. And you said you don’t give a damn. Those words are you in my ears. And the doctors and nurses that hurt you and shame on you’re not a nice man. You’re a nervous man. You’re crazy! You’re not just saying the clay. You’re just soft. Good relaxing voice in the middle of the night. People like to hear a nice soft voice so we get.

 

Host: Well, they can listen to Red Gail, ma’am. He’s got a nice soft voice.

 

Caller 4: [garbled] They told me that you’re cold one day. Yes. You want to even send a meter down for you’re a nervous. Look, you’re not for this job. Get out the way and give the job to Mr. Lagock or Mr. McCray or all these nice boys who have a little bit of heart and knowledge of everything. You are cruel, man! Very cruel. And you did say that you don’t give a damn what happened to those poor people in the ovens. And you know it! You and your passions are. You have any. And goodbye. Okay.

 

Host: So I can’t know who she is. Not only do I know who she is, I know she’s been here longer. Because when we taped the call yesterday, and when we taped the threats she’s made against my life, it was compared with another tape when I was not even here.

 

But she also threatened Hank [word unclear] ’s life. And we have a tape of that also.

 

So I suggest to the ladies and if you want me to prove who you are, call back. I’ll tell you off the air who you are because we. There’s a lot of people who know you and have been calling us off the air, suggesting that no matter what you say, you’re not dangerous. But let me put it this way. If there’s another threat of the nature that you have made through Hank and to make myself, I’ll do everything in my power to have you committed.

 

Nightline.

 

Caller 5: Hello, Mr. Bell?

 

Host: Yeah. Nightline.

 

Caller 5: Hello.

 

Host: Yes, Right. Nightline.

 

Caller 5: Is that Nightline?

 

Host: It is.

 

Caller 5: Is that you, Robert Bell?

 

Host: Yes, it is.

 

Caller 5: Okay. I’d like to know what the hell the conflict about anti-semitism was.

 

Host: Well, it’s all starting. Started with the, …

 

Caller 5: Let me make myself a little clearer. I am the Anno Automata for sale.

 

Host: Oh, yeah, yeah.

 

Caller 5: Now, I listen to the two babes yelling at each other and you played a kind of neutral role. Now, where do you stand?

 

Host: Where do I stand at? One was attacking me, one was defending me. I guess I stand with the one who defends me. [chuckling]

 

Caller 5: I’m not interested in whether they attacked or defended. But did anybody have some right to say what they said?

 

Host: No.

 

Caller 5: Come on, you can do a little better than that!

 

Host: Well, you asked if they had a right to say what they said. They have a right to say what they want. Of course. Assume you mean say, …

 

Caller 5: I mean, did they reflect something you’ve done in the last couple of days or said in the last couple of days, pro-or anti?

 

Host: No. What was referred to? I answered the charge. The charge was that I said I did not give a damn. What I said was during the course of a hysterical conversation where the lady was screaming and hollering at me.

 

Caller 5: Keep the conversation out of it. But what is your feeling?

 

Host: My feeling about what, sir?

 

Caller 5: I think the charge was anti-semitism and pro-semitism or what?

 

Host: That’s right. Yes. Huh. Do you know what anti-semitism indicates?

 

Caller 5: All right, you tell me. What does it indicate?

 

[34:15]

 

 

Host: Well, for one thing, a Semite is descended from Shem. So this. This includes Arabs and Israelis.

 

Caller 5: Yeah, they were blood tests, as I recall.

 

Host: That’s right. They’re all Semites.

 

Caller 5: Right.

 

Host: Now, in the context that most people use it, which is incorrect, anti-semitism denotes anti-jewishness.

 

Caller 5: Well, yeah, but it’s sort of in a practical sense that you can accuse [word unclear] ’s at pragmatic. It sort of is the way it works. Right.

 

Host: Right.

 

Caller 5: Okay. Now let’s go back to what I listened to. These two broads, two young ladies that were talking to you. I couldn’t figure out what the hell is happening because I tuned in a little late and I haven’t listened to program for the last couple of days.

 

Host: Well, one called me a Hitler and one said I wasn’t.

 

Caller 5: Well, what the hell is the real score?

 

Host: Well, we’ve been dealing with the Middle East situation.

 

Caller 5: Right. And?

 

Host: And there are Arabs who say I am anti-Arab, and there are Arabs who say I am pro-Arab. There are jews who say I’m anti-Israeli, and there are jews who say I am pro-Israeli.

 

Caller 5: I don’t give a damn what you are! I’d rather you told me what you are!

 

Host: Well, [chuckling] if you don’t give a damn what I am, that doesn’t follow. Are you trying to ascertain with whom my sympathies lie in the Middle East dispute?

 

Caller 5: No, no, the point isn’t. I’ll correct myself. I didn’t mean to say. I don’t give a damn what you are. What I really meant to say was I want you to tell me what you think.

 

Host: I think, you’re talking about the Middle East situation?

 

Caller 5: That’s what you told me you were talking about.

 

Host: Right now there is a state, a Republic called Israel, in that area.

 

Caller 5: Was established in 1948.

 

Host: Right.

 

Caller 5: By the United Nations.

 

Host: Right.

 

Caller 5: And I’m sorry, go ahead.

 

Host: Anyway, the state is in existence. The Arab world does not recognize the existence of this state.

 

Caller 5: Well, they don’t do it. Well, they sort of recognize it, but they don’t recognize it from a political point of view.

 

Host: Right. My position is it is there. To me it exists. I recognize it. There will never be a relaxing of the state of hostility until the Arab world accepts the existence. There are many reasons why they do not accept the existence.

 

Caller 5: I follow you. Go ahead.

 

[36:47]

 

 

Host: Now in allowing Arabs to come on the line or anyone to come on the line and explain the other position, I opened myself to being charged with being anti-Israeli. The term has been anti-semitism and second Hitler and so on and so forth.

 

Caller 5: Wow! Second Hitler. You have a mustache.

 

Host: No, I don’t.

 

Caller 5: Okay. [chuckling] And you’re not a second Hitler. No. But have you made any pronouncements that have made these broads talk the way they do?

 

Host: No. Except in a private conversation with the hysterical one.

 

Caller 5: You shouldn’t have had a private, …

 

Host: I know I shouldn’t have!

 

Caller 5: This is the first place., …

 

Host: And I rarely break that rule! I rarely talk to anybody except on the air. And whenever I do, I’ve done it twice. [chuckling] It’s bad news.

 

But anyway, I did, fortunately, because of the equipment here. Taken the precaution of taping, you know,. So and also I taped her threats against my life and so on so forth.

 

Caller 5: [word unclear] this provocative conversation that set me up to this hour. My wife is listening here we have seen it.

 

[buzzer sounds]

 

Mr. Bell?

 

Host: Yeah.

 

Caller 5: When and if I hear you saying something wrong, I’ll get on and be even more malicious than these young ladies can be. Will you tell them to control their emotions and bring a little bit of rationalization or rationale to their conversation? I’m the guy who told you a couple of weeks ago that you are too patient with some of these idiots. Remember the day, …

 

Host: I don’t remember the conversation, but I do remember, …

 

Caller 5: I remember listening about five minutes later and some drunken old gal got on and she said:

 

“Well that pseudo intellectual comes on and tells us to be rational.”

 

 

Remember that?

 

Host: Yeah, vaguely.

 

Caller 5: Okay, that’s where I remember. No, but kidding aside, I’d like to hear your position on it. If there is a position or if you have a position and you’re going to be attacked no matter what your position.

 

Host: True, I’m in the position, the historical position of the jews who I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t but I have stated that I am basically., … Pardon?

 

Caller 5: I said being a jew, I know what the name of the game is.

 

Host: Ah.

 

Caller 5: Go ahead.

 

Host: Anyway, I have said that, as with most of the Western world, my sympathies are with the jews in this matter. In other words, I would be more, …

 

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Caller 5: I’m not even sure I am a Democrat sympathetic to the jews. I think the Arabs have got a you know, they got a lot of problems. And I’m being facetious at the moment. But not completely because I think there are a lot of poor people, poor uneducated people that could benefit by what Israel could contribute to the Middle East. Not looking at something, not looking at it from a Westerner point of view, but just looking at it from the point of view of what fits to the Middle East. I think that the jews that have come there, who are mostly Europeans, highly educated, highly sophisticated, you know, technologically skillful, they could, you know, remake the goddamn Arab world and they’re ready to do it! I don’t mean every one of them. I’m not talking about orthodox religion, I’m talking about the people who would do it!

 

And I think that that the whole damn Middle East has become a boiling pot for western both politics and Soviet, US deal and they’ve lost sight. And guys like Nasser and maybe some of the jewish leaders too, have lost sight of the fact that if they want to make something good for their people, which is presumably what we’re all born to do, they’ve got to stop playing games, stop worrying about whether Mr. [word unclear] is an anti-semite because I don’t give a damn if he is, but if you are, don’t walk across the street with me at the same time, [host chuckled] stop giggling! I think if they., …

 

Host: That was a chuckle, sir.

 

Caller 5: Pardon?

 

Host: That was a chuckle.

 

Caller 5: I don’t know. You might have burped. I think the point is that if we really care about the Middle East for the Middle East sake, then we ought to tell the Arabs, and I think the jews have been trying to do that they don’t always do it very carefully. But then again, the gentile world hasn’t done it very gently all the time either.

 

If you want to cooperate. Cooperate. You want to be a bunch of silly [buzzer]. You know, just. Did I hear any deep beats?

 

Host: I don’t know what he’s doing in there.

 

Caller 5: Something to either.

 

Host: I think he may be softening your conversation a bit. It’s a little colorful.

 

Caller 5: Who’s the he?

 

Host: Pardon?

 

Caller 5: I said who’s the he?