Henrik Palgren: And welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for tuning in here. I’m Henrik. Glad to have you with us here on Red Ice today. If watching live on Rumble X Twitter, Red Ice TV, Red Ice members, however you’re tuning in, thank you for being here.

 

So, yes, we obviously are going to follow up on the topic we covered a little bit yesterday in terms of the shooting down at Bondi beach in Australia. We have Thomas Sewell back on the show today to cover this. Not only, of course, what’s happened with the shooting, the potential political fallout from this, but there’s other issues, of course, happening. It is interesting, though, because this has been called basically “an intelligence failure” by the Australian, you know, intelligence services, ASIO [Australian Security Intelligence Organization], I think it’s shortened. As and they’ve been observing obviously the National Socialists, all the Nationalists in Australia, they’re the ones kind of under scrutiny. They’re the ones being investigated, they’re the ones being followed around, arrested, all these things, right?

 

And then you have this blatant, kind of hole here. We will get into whether or not this is intentional. Did they drop the guard? What’s really happening? I have a lot of questions, as always. As you should, I think, which is healthy around these events and how it’s being used.

 

But it’s clear just on the official level, if you look at it, what they’re saying that this is. Obviously this is a massive failure then in the sense of not observing the actual terrorists in the country like this. Well, first of all, he was Pakistani. Then they’re coming back and saying now he was originally born in India, but who cares? What’s the difference? Right? So, Tom Sewell, welcome back. Good to see you again. How are you?

 

Thomas Sewell: Good, thanks. Thank you for having me on the show again. And yes, it’s been eventful as always. There’s plenty to talk about and very exciting times ahead. A lot of controversy. Did you want to start with Bondi first?

 

Henrik Palgren: I think. So why don’t we clear, well, it’s not just clearing it off the plate. It’s such a big thing. It’s really the main story we should lead with here, obviously. I’m not sure we have to reiterate it, but obviously, yes, we had a shooting on the 14th Australian time then. So it’s on the 14th, December 14th. And obviously, yeah, just explain what you, what your initial kind of, I guess, you know, way that you view this is not strange. We knew that this is like “part and parcel” now of being in a multicultural, multiracial country like Australia has been turned into against all of our desires. But still, were you surprised by this?

 

Thomas Sewell: No, absolutely not! And myself and most of the leadership of the organization have commented that we’re surprised that it doesn’t happen more often and that it took this long considering the rhetoric we’ve experienced from Muslims in Australia over the past couple years.

 

And I’m not just talking about rhetoric in terms of the Palestinian protests in the city every week. I’m talking about just everyday Muslims that you might come across on job sites or if you train at a commercial gym, whether it be a fighting gym, or a lifting gym. The rhetoric out of Muslims has been very extreme! Like we would call it Fed postie. We don’t get away with that kind of rhetoric.

 

But it’s just commonplace within the Muslim community to sort of talk about and advocate for this sort of stuff. So yeah. Where do you want to go with this? I can go into more detail.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, so we talked about it yesterday a little bit as well, obviously of the shooters and everything else. And first of all, do you trust what you’re hearing from the police and the mainstream government sources on this?

 

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Thomas Sewell: Well, I don’t. As a general rule, I don’t trust the police and the mainstream media. But this is something that’s too big to fool.

 

I mean, there were thousands, … I mean, there’s a lot of Americans sharing kind of schizophrenic conspiracy theories about it. There’s a few odd videos that I do admit there’s a few videos that look, the guy was probably just missing his shots. I don’t think he was shooting blanks. There’s a whole bunch of schizo theories out there. Most people don’t know how populated Bondi [pronounced bond-eye] beach is in Sydney, Australia.

 

So most Americans, they can’t fathom that this happened at the most populated place in Sydney, like almost more populated than the CBD. If you’ve ever been a Bondi beach, there are just potentially tens of thousands of people there are thousands and thousands of witnesses. Yeah, I really dislike the way that so many people on the dissonant right are trying to transmute this into some sort of conspiracy theory. Sometimes Muslims just kill people!

 

Henrik Palgren: So strange1 No!

 

Thomas Sewell: And in this case, they very obviously targeted a jewish event. A predominantly jewish. Well, not a predominantly jewish event. A jewish event that had maybe a couple hundred people attend. But again, it was at a beach where there’s tens of thousands of Aussies and tourists.

 

I mean, I’ve parked my car literally by that bridge. Like, when I’ve gone to Sydney, I’ve visited Bondi Beach, I don’t know every second time that I’ve gone to Sydney, so probably 20 or 30 times over my life. And I’ve parked my car at that very spot. I know exactly where that is. You know, where that big, surf house is, the big clubhouse there. You have lunch just on the other side of the road from that shooting.

 

So it was recognizable immediately. The reaction from the police was to be expected. It was typical. I mean, seeing the police just take so long to react, that’s pretty common in Australia. If you’re a White nationalist, they’ll pull the gun out on you like the millisecond. [chuckling] I think they rev themselves up when they come to your house. I think the police in Australia are a bit different to the police in America. They’re not sort of combat aware, they’re not psychologically trained to deal with these sort of scenarios.

 

Whereas I think in America the threat level of gun violence is so high, or at least they’re trained to expect a high level of gun violence. Whereas in Australia, the police don’t have any balls unless they’ve got like two hours to psychologically prepare for kicking your door in. Because every time I’ve had issues with police, you know, there’ll be 10 or 20 of them and they already have the guns out and they’re ready to shoot you while you’re trying to answer your door.

 

But when there’s an actual active shooter situation, I mean, they’re just hiding behind cars and you saw like two of the female police officers have mental breakdowns. It was just really embarrassing.

 

What else? I mean, yeah, my understanding was that, sorry, I’ll let you go. There’s so much to cover.

 

Henrik Palgren: So of course we had Arsen Ostrovsky coming out early. And of course this is one of the reasons why I had questions about it I mean, he literally came to Australia. He said in the clip here we could play it in a moment, but like three weeks ago to fight anti-semitism, and this was heightened. The whole jewish community has allegedly like, warned that this was going to happen. There was a number of posts from the Australian jewish Association. They were talking about this was very foreseeable and stuff like that. And of course I’m gonna say:

 

“Yeah, they’re probably right.”

 

Because they’re knowing what’s happening here. Right?

 

Thomas Sewell: And it’s very foreseeable because you have an ongoing war between Zionists and I guess just jews in general and the Palestinians in the Middle East. And they’re killing, I don’t know, somewhere between 10 and 100 Arabs a day over in the Middle East. And the way most people’s brains work, and especially the way Arabs brains work is. Yeah, they don’t recognize borders, they don’t care. And these weren’t even Arabs, technically, this father and son team. I guess they were Arabs in the sense of what etymologically the word Arab means, which is mixed. They’re a mixed population. They’re a mongrel population.

 

But I believe these two were half Indian, half Italian.

 

Henrik Palgren: Really?

 

Thomas Sewell: And yes. Yeah. So the father is an Indian national and the son was born in Australia to an Indian father and I believe an Italian mother. So he’s mixed race, and he’s converted to Islam, which is what Islam is. It’s a mongrel rape gang. It’s where all the mongrels go and convert and join the big brown alliance gang together. And he received a little bit of training in the Philippines, so he probably went over to the Philippines to not just do military training, but also to probably get a blessing from ISIS, because there is an ISIS cell in the Philippines.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, Right.

 

Thomas Sewell: So that’s what the Intel is saying is that this guy was on a watch list from 2019 or 2020 that ASIO were keeping an eye on him because of obviously what he was posting on the Internet and the mosque that he was hanging out at. So he was actually a junior scholar at one of the more further down the line Sunni mosques here in Sydney. And he was not an imam or anything like that. Not highly trained, but he’s obviously gone through to religiously study Islam. He’s not just like a Friday Muslim that’s just casually gone down there. He has actually completed like his basic diplomas in understanding Islamic studies. And clearly he’s educated in Islam enough to know that if you want your 72 virgins, you got to go kill jews.

 

So he completed his education with that act. You could say if you understand Islam. And his father, I don’t know much about the father, but I do know that he’s an Indian national.

 

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Henrik Palgren: The father was killed.

 

Thomas Sewell: The father was killed. The son just came out of the coma, just today. The news was saying just today he’s awoken from his coma.

 

Henrik Palgren: Okay. Yeah, because you saw random other Aussies attacking the crew there on the bridge obviously too. And the police couldn’t, like, they didn’t know what was going on. They didn’t have any control of the situation. And guys were just moving in. They were even going after another random brown guy, … They were like these White Aussies, … [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: The footage I saw was that the first guy on the bridge to try to disarm them was a brown guy. And the one of the cops shot at him while he had his hands up.

 

Henrik Palgren: Wow!

 

Thomas Sewell: And then a whole bunch of Aussies jumped the bridge and tried to attack. Yeah, this is the footage here. So a bunch of Aussies are attacking because he’s wearing a black Tshirt.

 

So it’s like an Arab in a black Tshirt. And so people obviously thought that was the same guy, but he was actually the first to run up there to be a hero and then the next two Aussies that went up there to also be heroes. That’s one thing that’s interesting is you’ve got female cops literally hiding behind cars and having mental breakdowns. And you’ve got Baz here with his shirt off, two other Aussies and an Arab guy running up there hero style, unarmed to try to tackle these guys and disarm them.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: And you’ve also got, I think earlier you had that old jewish, … Oh no, he wasn’t jewish, he was a Coptic Christian. I think old Coptic Christian guy, another Arab, attack him and take the shotgun off him, but not shoot him because apparently the shotgun was out of ammunition and then he ended up getting shot I think in the arm.

 

So it’s a chaotic situation obviously. There’s nothing suspicious about it in my opinion. I think that we should really focus on the principle that we need to be a sovereign country here in Australia. And this incident is caused by the fact that we have warring tribes in our nation! And the fault of this is the government for allowing the jews and allowing Muslims into our country when they have no place! They have no place in our country. And it doesn’t matter whether one is the victim and one is the attacker. This is caused by inter-ethnic or inter-religious conflict overseas and these problems are here. And I would have the same opinion if it was any group of people. But I especially have this opinion when it’s non-White people, when it’s brown people or desert people that are killing each other. We just don’t want these dramas here.

 

And this is the result of not just multiculturalism, but it’s also, yeah, the result of having a very powerful jewish lobby in this country. I mean this jewish event, these weren’t nobody jews. These were actual serious Zionists, they were serious jewish leaders.

 

And I think it’s a very fair assumption to make based off the full 10 minute footage that I’ve seen that these two went down there, these two Indian Muslims went down there with the intention to kill as many jews as possible. And I think that they also wounded about 40 other people.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, right.

 

Thomas Sewell: And we don’t have the full list of names of all the people killed and wounded, although at least half of the names of those killed have been released already. And they appear, I think 11 out of the 12 that we have the names of do appear to be jewish. There’s one name there that appears to be potentially, … Is that one is that, …

 

Henrik Palgren: That guy, Peter Meagher. He was there as a freelance photographer to actually shoot some photos for the Hanukkah party, I believe. But that’s one White guy.

 

I was looking at the bridge, and you can see. I mean, again, I don’t know what the like, how big was the field that the jews were in at the Hanukkah event there. But he fires this way, this way, that way. It looked like he was just shooting, like, everywhere on the beach that he basically could. That’s what it looked like to me. So first I was just kind of like:

 

“Was it a coincidence?”

 

You know, because that could happen. But I don’t know. Maybe it was publicly announced or something.

 

Thomas Sewell: It was a publicly announced event.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: By one of the, I think it’s a Chabad. I don’t know if I’m pronouncing it right.

 

Henrik Palgren: Chabad. All in there.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. It was a publicly announced event, and it’s very obvious. Again, I don’t have any more information than the media have already put out, but I think based on the Facebook posts of this, I mean, one of the jews that was killed was a pretty serious rabbi that had just gone back from Israel, and he was signing munitions over in Israel.

 

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Henrik Palgren: Yeah, look, it was an international event. There were jews from France there, there was at least a couple from Israel, I think, and, of course, Arsen Ostrovsky was one of them. And, it’s a different mindset. Right. Like, if I’d be in a situation like this. I’d be like. I wouldn’t take a selfie at that point. I wouldn’t kind of push so hard politically.

 

But then you realize that’s how motivated these people are, that if these pieces lined up the way that they did and he just happens to be there, what is it? A human rights lawyer out of Israel or whatever to fight anti-semitism in Australia, he happens to find themselves there again, you can have questions about it, I think, but you don’t have to go into conspiracy.

 

But the point is, this is how they’re thinking. That’s what I want to say, Tom. If this happens, it’s immediately use it!:

 

“Like, second one, boom! Let’s go! Propaganda, push our issues!”

 

That’s what happens.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, look, I got a few things to say on that.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: When Carl Rittenhouse shot into a group of Antifa. When he was getting attacked, he took out two pedophiles.

 

So when you, not randomly, but when you’re getting attacked by Antifa, and if you take down two of them, there’s a strong chance that they’re a pedophile, that they’re a sex offender. And I don’t think it’s suspicious that two Muslims planned a terror attack to kill a bunch of jews. And it happened to be, out of the couple hundred jews that were there, there happened to be human rights lawyers and like, huge Zionist advocates. And I think you’d find it in a crowd of two or three hundred jews, especially, … And these weren’t secular jews. That’s an important point, is this wasn’t a secular jewish meeting. This wasn’t like:

 

“Hey, jews, come to the park and hang out!”

 

These were jews from the local synagogue in Bondi. And Bondi is a relatively jewish area. So it’s a touristy area, and it has a huge amount of rich White people that live there, but there’s also quite a large jewish population there. There’s, like a jewish enclave there, a wealthy jewish enclave there.

 

So there are some synagogues in Bondi, and this was one of the local synagogues that organized this. And they’re like:

 

“Yep, let’s do our thing down at the beach.”

 

So, yeah, there’s really nothing suspicious about this except there’s one video of the old man missing, like, three or four shots. And I mean, I don’t think that’s overly suspicious. I mean, it’s at close range, but, I mean, adrenaline, who knows?

 

Henrik Palgren: Right? Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: I haven’t seen anything other than that one video of him missing three shots. Like what? Yeah, it’s not Call of Duty. There’s just a lot of firearms experts on the Internet. There’s a lot of people that are just really quick to call:

 

“Oh, it’s Mossad! It’s Mossad! It’s Mossad!”

 

And it’s like, no, sometimes Muslims just kill people. And we have a really bad, you know, sort of subculture, I think, within the broader spectrum of White nationalism and dissident politics, where:

 

“Everything’s a conspiracy! And everything is like Mossad’s behind everything! There’s Mossad in your skirting board listening to you!”

 

And it’s like, this is just paranoia. Sometimes it’s just an actual terrorist attack. Now, if I’m presented with evidence that there was a Mossad connection, but all I’ve seen is AI, fake edits. Yeah, just Photoshop. I’ve just seen garbage! I’ve just seen the most low rent garbage! Psyop! You know, the real psyop is people thinking everything’s Mossad. I think that’s the real Mossad psyop.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, interesting point. Yeah. No, I’m not the one who immediately that’s, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Did you see Baz? That’s what put him in the coma.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, I figured. Right. Because I’m not sure if the other guy there, he, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Sorry. No, no, that’s the wrong one. No, no, sorry. It was a different head stomp. There was a different guy that kicked. So Baz kicked the father, old man in the head, but another younger guy, a fitter younger guy with tattoos, kicked the other one in the head.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: So before this footage.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, so okay, so moving on from whether:

 

“This was it a planned event! They knew it was going to happen. They knew the worst cops that day was, … They were running the shift then, these females. Because then you have mass impact.”

 

Okay, putting that to the side for now. It is what it is. We’re just looking at it for what it is. It’s then you come back to the official, you know, world in terms of the failure of the police, of the intelligence services. And the point of priority too, right? Because there is a kind of a, there’s blame here.

 

Like as much resources and effort and time and ultimately then money and manpower is being spent on you and on your group and people around you. Joel [Davis] and [Jacob] Hersant, all these people around there to monitor you and to arrest you and keep an eye on you and spy on you go to the park to box and then there they are. They have men assigned to just watching you guys. Right? That kind of stuff.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

 

Henrik Palgren: Is this gonna force them to get their act together? Are they going to start taking the Muslim issues seriously? Is it going to be enough pressure from the jewish community that then that’s when they listen, right? When jews are murdered now they’re going to actually do something about this. What do you think they’re going to happen here, the next stage in this?

 

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Thomas Sewell: In theory, you’re correct. In theory, when jews are affected, then you’ll see genuine pressure against Muslims. But what you’ll find is the jews are experts at transmuting any anti-Islamic energy into just being energy around anti-semitism in general. And you can already see the Labor Party for those that aren’t aware in America, the Labor Party here in Australia is kind of like our version of the Democrat Party. It’s the center-Left, so-called center-Left party. And you’ve got Tony Burke who’s the sort of, he heads the State Department. I think he’s the Home Affairs Minister. You’ve got the Prime Minister Albanese and you’ve got another guy who I’ve never seen on TV before, which is funny, they keep him hidden from TV. I think he’s the Defense Minister. His name is I think Murphy, and he is the gayest I have ever seen on Australian television. No, not Murphy. Marles. His name is Marles.*

 

[*The minister for defence is the minister of state of the Commonwealth of Australia charged with overseeing the organization, implementation, and formulation of strategic policy in defence and military matters as the head of the Department of Defence. The minister for defence is responsible for the Australian Defence Organization, including the Australian Defence Force (ADF). The current defence minister is Richard Marles, who is also concurrently serving as deputy prime minister of Australia, having been selected by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese in May 2022 following the 2022 Australian federal election.]

 

And all three of them senior Labor Party guys, they are just getting roasted at the moment for their failure. And they are basically trying to transmute and put the blame back onto Nazis saying:

 

“Well, our government has done the most to shut down hate speech. Our government has done the most to stop anti-semitism. Our government banned the Nazi salute. Our government has been going after these neo-Nazis!”

 

And on several occasions journalists have cut them off and have said:

 

“Hang on a minute, what are you going to do about these Muslims?”

 

Because obviously even though the media are very controlled in their nature, it’s really hard for the media to hold the party line together that the Labor Party are trying to hold together, which is “that this is a broad stroke anti-semitism issue” and then transmute it from broad smoke, broad stroke anti-semitism onto:

 

“Look how much we’ve done to stop Nazis!”

 

And the mainstream media even covered the deportation of Matthew Gruter after [before] this terrorist attack. So those that don’t know who Matthew Gruter is, he’s a member of our organization. He was a South African national that was here on a work Visa who attended an “expose jewish power” rally. I think it was “Abolish the jewish Lobby” rally. And he was doxed and deported. He was raided within, I think a day or two of him being doxed and he was put in a camp and then deported from that camp.

 

And so look, there’s nothing, the Australian government’s got no issues with putting people in camps and deporting them, which is interesting. And the media even mentioned:

 

“Well, hang on a minute, this guy didn’t break any law and he was deported.”

 

And yet this son and this father were both, … Yeah, you’ve got the old video there.

 

So there’s a new video where they actually started talking about him in reference to the fact that these two terrorists had traveled in and out of the country on several occasions to potentially receive military training.

 

And so you have people that are on a watch list for being involved with the Islamic State and training with the Islamic State and they own firearms. That’s another important point.

 

So this is Tony Burke. This is one of the faggots that personally had Matthew Gruter deported. He’s going to be deported to the Congo. We’re going to make sure that this faggot here, Tony Burke, is deported to the Congo. And that’s Penny Wong, the Chinese foreign minister.

 

Henrik Palgren: What could go wrong! [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: But, yeah, Wong! Yeah. A former Australian Prime Minister:

 

“Two Wongs don’t make a White!”

 

Like back in the 50s or 60s, I think it was Harold Holt, or whoever came after him said:

 

“Two Wongs don’t make a White!”

 

Back then we were based and someone tried to bring their Asian war bride over from the Korean War and they denied access to the war bride or maybe they snuck her into the country. And then they were basically trying. They were trying to deport like, the one brown person that had been let into [chuckling] the country that year! And yeah, the prime minister said something like “two Wongs don’t make a White” when the media asked him why he was being deported. And even though technically be one Wong.

 

But anyway, yeah, so where was I going? I mean, it’s just they’re trying to obviously transmute this atrocity or this terrorist attack into being another battering ram against White Australia, against Neo-Nazis, against anti-semitism in general. What can they do? I don’t think they can do much except hot air. They’re not going to be able to change the laws in any way that’s going to be able to stop us from operating.

 

The way that the Labour Party has reacted to this has caused a huge amount of mainstream media condemnation. I mean, the mainstream media even played on national television, these Labor Party MPs, both state and federal MPs, rocking up to press conferences and getting booed by the public and getting booed by the jewish community.

 

So that’s very rare! They don’t usually show that on television. So the Labor Party is definitely just getting smashed at the moment.

 

But again, it’s that usual trick of “jew Left and jew Right”. And what they’re doing is they’re now really promoting the Liberal Party as being the only party that’s going to save the jews, and the Labor Party doesn’t have the balls to save the jews. And there’s a lot of layers to that.

 

So for example, the reason why these senior Labor Party like the Prime Minister, the Defense Minister and the Home affairs minister, the reason why they won’t call out the Muslims and why they’re trying to deflect it onto neo-Nazis is because the Labor Party can’t get elected into office without the Muslim vote and without the Indian vote. And these two were both Muslim and Indian!

 

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So they don’t want to talk about the fact that he was an Indian national and he should have been deported. Obviously we shouldn’t have any Indians in the country. But even by their own metrics and by their own standards of fit and proper person checks, which is another important thing to bring up, is that it is quite hard to get a gun license in Australia if you’re a political dissident. It is not hard to get a gun license. The way that Australian gun laws work. Because I know Americans love saying:

 

“You guys gave up your guns. You, Australia doesn’t have any guns!”

 

That’s not true at all! And that’s just like what we don’t have is civilian access to military style firearms like semi-autos. Yeah, we don’t have access to semi-autos unless there’s a caveat to that, which is unless you’re what’s called a primary producer, or a professional hunter.

 

So if you have a contract, even if it’s just as low as like, I don’t know, $5,000 a year to contract shoot on people’s property, to shoot pests. Even if those pests are like foxes or something, or rabbits. You can get access to an AR15 in this country.

 

So it’s not true that we don’t have guns in this country. We have quite high gun ownership as a nation. And to get a CatAB which is basically rim fires and center fires, but in bolt action or pump. So we can get pump and bolt action. Like the rifle that this terrorist was using is called a Cat B rifle.

 

So what that means is it’s a bolt action rifle, it’s center fired, high powered and there’s not even a magazine capacity on it. Usually when you buy the rifles they come with a five or ten round magazine. It’s not actually illegal to own larger magazines. It doesn’t look good when the police come to inspect your safe. Which again, if you’re not a political dissident. It will very rarely happen. Most licensed firearm owners might only get a safe inspection once every five or 10 years. And it’ll just be two local cops. They’ll knock on your door, they’ll usually call you 24 hours beforehand and they’ll say

 

“Hi, I’m Sergeant so and so from the local police station, I need to come check your guns. I’ll be there tomorrow at nine o’ clock in the morning.”

 

And then you obviously make sure you’ve got all your shit squared away. They rock up to your house, they knock on your door, you let the two cops in, they have a look at your safe, they talk to you about what the weather’s doing and you know, how the Labor Party’s gay and try to be a friend and then they leave. And that’s basically what the local firearm section of the cops do. Because they know that every gun owner is all the vast, vast majority of gun owners are Right-wing and they’re just patriots, but they don’t have any views outside of just very common sense, low level patriotism and gun ownership or libertarianism. And there’s really very little dramas there.

 

So you can get that rifle that he’s shooting there, you can get that by just going down to the police station, filling out some paperwork, doing a one day course on firearm safety and then applying to become a member of any gun club or getting a Crown hunting permit. So a permit to hunt on Crown land.

 

Henrik Palgren: Do you have to be a member of a gun club?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah. Same as Sweden, basically.

 

Thomas Sewell: You can’t own a rifle in Australia for the purpose of self defense.

 

Henrik Palgren: Right.

 

Thomas Sewell: You have to either you either own it because you target shoot at a gun club or you own it because you go hunting on Crown land. And all you need to do is, I think to hunt on Crown land, I think you pay 50 bucks a year or something. I used to be a licensed and registered gun owner. Obviously when I got involved in dissident politics I sold my guns and transferred them into other people’s names, just so that I didn’t have any ownership of guns. Because I could predict that they would use that as an opportunity to raid my house. And I’d heard of people that were involved in dissident politics, they went from never having a gun safe inspection to having like multiple gun safe inspections per year. And it was never just the two local cops. There would be two local cops that would come down and they’d have a weird look on their face like:

 

“Oh, hi!”

 

And they would rock up unannounced. That was another thing. Whereas normally they would always call you. And they would have six guys in suits, you know, rock up with them.

 

And it’s like:

 

“Oh, who are these people? What?”

 

And they’re just like:

 

“Oh, we’re just here for the gun inspection. Oh, what police station are you from? Oh, we’re from the city. Oh, what are you doing here? Oh, we’re just having a look.”

 

And then they’re not looking at your guns, what they’re doing. The two cops are looking at your guns, making sure that it’s all stored properly.

 

The other six cops are walking through your house, going through your drawers because they’re the STASI* and they’re going through your bookshelf, they’re going through your drawers, they’re going through your cupboards. And until you tell them to stop and get out of your house, they’ll go through everything. They might even ask if they can go through your phone.

 

[* Stasi: Official state security service of the German Democratic Republic (East Germany) The Ministry for State Security, commonly known as the Stasi, was the state security service and secret police of East Germany from 1950 to 1990. The function of the Stasi in East Germany resembled that of the KGB in the Soviet Union, ⁠ in that it served to maintain state authority and the position of the ruling party, in this case the Socialist Unity Party of Germany. Wikipedia]

 

And if you’re an idiot, you’d be like:

 

“Oh, okay.”

 

So there’s a lot of naive people that get screwed over.

 

Henrik Palgren: Right.

 

Thomas Sewell: But yeah, I’ve never seen anyone that’s a face doxed nationalist be allowed to keep their guns.

 

Henrik Palgren: Right.

 

[31:57]

 

Thomas Sewell: So that’s when we talk about system failure, the government does not let face doxed nationalists own guns, no matter how tame you make your talking points.

 

And yet these guys they can get up to what they’re up to and at no stage do they, because the law is very subjective. We don’t have the right to own guns. What we have is what’s called a “fit and proper person” check, which is completely subjective. There’s no legal definition of that. There isn’t. I actually went to the Magistrates Court to prove I was a fit and proper person because they try to take my, … I used to be trained to be an Armor Guard. I never actually did Armor Guard work, I did unarmed security work, but I was trained to be an Armor Guard, so I could have bought a pistol if I wanted to because I was trained to be an Armor Guard and I had an a pistol license, even though I never owned a pistol and I had issues. I did a pistol shoot one time and the police called me and said:

 

“Hey, you’re not allowed to do a pistol shoot, you’re not fitting proper.”

 

And I was like:

 

“Yes, I am. I have a gun license.”

 

Even though I handed my guns in and stuff. I still had my gun license. And they said:

 

“Hey, you got to go to the Magistrates Court and sort this out immediately or you’re going to get charged.”

 

And so I went down the Magistrates Court and did like, it was called like a section 109, fit and proper person thingy. And the Magistrates Court confirmed that I was in fact fit and proper. And I was like, “phew”, you know what I mean? Like, kind of wiped my brow. This is really early days when I was really early involved in politics.

 

But it was a big stress, like I was going to potentially, and I had a clean criminal record back then, so I was really stressed about having a firearms offense. But I had the court confirm I was fit and proper. And yeah, these guys should not have been able to be classed as fit and proper.

 

Henrik Palgren: Right. Well, that’s the thing. Right.

 

Thomas Sewell: Completely subjective.

 

Henrik Palgren: Well, yeah, obviously. Right. Unfortunately, that’s just those other conditions now with these people in charge of the governments.

 

“Bondi terrorists given gun license after ASIO investigated son’s, …”

 

Thomas Sewell: Sorry to interrupt. It’s pronounced ‘Ay Zee Oh’.

 

Henrik Palgren: ASIO investigated son’s Islamic State links.

 

Thomas Sewell: So again, here’s another interesting thing to interrupt. Sorry.

 

But when the labor government came to power. Sorry, when they were re-elected, they. When they did all their like, banning of the Nazi salute stuff. Banned the Nazi salute, they banned the swastika, but in the same legislation they actually decriminalized the ISIS flag.

 

Henrik Palgren: Really?

 

Thomas Sewell: So the Liberal Party made the ISIS flag a terror symbol and they made it illegal. And the Labor Party changed the legislation when they came to power and banned the swastika and then decriminalized the ISIS flag. So you can own an ISIS flag in Australia, but you can’t, … Sorry. You can publicly display an ISIS flag in Australia, but you cannot publicly display a swastika.

 

Henrik Palgren: Huh, Interesting!

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. So that’s pretty funny. They didn’t need to do that. Like this ISIS flag was already banned and they didn’t need to touch that legislation. Why did they decriminalize it?

 

Henrik Palgren: Well, it’s a feature maybe not a bug. So I don’t know!

 

Thomas Sewell: There’s a huge Muslim voting bloc in Australia and, …

 

Henrik Palgren: Right.

 

Thomas Sewell: Obviously you’ve got an understanding of European politics like Nordic politics. But most Americans in the dissident Right, I think they’re really blind to the Islamic issue.

 

I mean, I noticed after the Aug 31st rally which was that big March for Australia rally where I spoke in front of, I don’t know, somewhere between 20,000 and 50,000 people. You know, is it from the TRS? Is that what they’re called? The Right Stuff? Eric Striker.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yep.

 

Thomas Sewell: I saw Eric Striker, … Well, I was in jail, so someone mailed it to me. But while I was in jail, I got mail. And it was a screenshot of like an Eric Striker tweet saying that:

 

“I’m like a judeophile and that I love jews and that you know, I’m against Muslims because I love jews.”

 

And just crazy shit! Like, I’ve been an anti-semite, a public anti-semite for probably six or so years.

 

Henrik Palgren: You’re a proven anti-semite! [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: I am [chuckling] a proven anti-semite and everything. But he was dissecting that part of my speech where I said:

 

“When the people waving the Palestinian flags and the Aboriginal flags came charging at us, we fought back.”

 

Henrik Palgren: Right. Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: And I haven’t had a chance to clarify that on stream. That actually happened. I haven’t done a response to that, but I want people to know that actually happened.

 

And this idea that we should not fight back against Palestinians when they’re punching us in the head or communists waving Palestinian flags so that we can one struggle with them against the Zionists, that’s fucking crazy! We’re in Australia. I’m not in the Middle East. Like, I’m not picking a side on the Middle East in the Middle East. I’m picking Australia, in Australia.

 

So to be fair to the Palestinians, to be fair to the Palestinians and the Arabs to give some context to that, usually they rally every weekend in Australia, in Melbourne, in Sydney and Brisbane, there’s a big rally of Arabs every single weekend in the CBD. And it’s usually 3/4 or 7/8 Muslim, you know, Arabs and 1/4 or 1/8 communists that are trying to subvert it and control them. And what they’ve done is they’ve created a brown alliance where they’re waving Abo flags and they’re waving Palestinian flags because they’re trying to convert the Muslims to being on the side of the communists for the Aboriginal issue.

 

[37:46]

 

Henrik Palgren: Right.

 

Thomas Sewell: So:

 

“We’re not anti-zionists. We’re anti-colonialists! And the Zionists are a problem because they’re colonialists. It’s not because they’re Zionists. It’s because they’re colonialists. And because they’re jewish nationalists.”

 

Which I guess is what zionism is.

 

But it’s not a specific form of anti-semitism. They’re trying to, instead of it being counter jewish or counter anti-semitism, the communist groups are trying to convert all these Arabs to the cause. Now they’ve been very unsuccessful broadly, but they have converted a small percentage.

 

And so on that day, on August 31st, the vast majority of Arabs didn’t show up. The vast majority. So normally that weekend rally, that pro-Palestine rally, is normally, as I said, 7/8 Arab, 1/8th communist. On that day it was almost the other way around. It was probably 3/4 communist, 1/4 Arab. So the vast, vast majority of Arabs. And we had leaks because we’ve got people in their group chats to keep an eye on. We had leaks from their group chats saying:

 

“We ’re not going down, this is the reason why we’re not going down, don’t attend, we’re just going to have a week off. We still care about the cause, obviously, but it’s not a good idea. We don’t want a front on confrontation with March for Australia because it doesn’t achieve what we want to achieve, which is we want Australians having sympathy for Palestine. And so if we let the March for Australia people rally this weekend and wave the Aussie flags, we should stay the hell away from them so that it doesn’t interfere with our kind of our optics.”

 

They were optics cucking. They were like:

 

“We’re not going to rally this week.”

 

And so the vast, vast majority of Arabs did not come down. They didn’t want that confrontation. But some still came down.

 

And so it’s just crazy, like, yes, and it’s similar to this Bondi incident. So the context of the Bondi incident is, did he wave away most Arabs and most White Australians? You can see in that 10 minute footage the two terrorists on several occasions wave away, the young guy at least, waved away heaps of Aussies and Arabs that were swearing at him, that were carrying on, that were getting close to them. There was a lot of people, a lot of Aussies that were coming up from the other side, not from the beach, but from the other side that were saying like:

 

“What are you doing? Stop what you’re doing!”

 

Like that kind of rhetoric. And there was a bunch of women screaming like:

 

“Oh my God, stop!”

 

Like that’s gonna help! And he was just, you could see him, he’s like waving him away. He’s like:

 

“Piss off! Go away!”

 

And a lot of the guys like having a go at him had beards, whether they were Aussies or whether they’re Arabs. So obviously he wasn’t going to shoot anyone that was like Arab looking with a beard. So he did pick his target, that’s very clear. But that doesn’t mean that White Australians weren’t shot on the day.

 

Henrik Palgren: Right.

 

Thomas Sewell: So again, again, I’m getting ankle bit by individuals who are saying:

 

“Oh, he put out a post about White Australians, but this was an attack on jews.”

 

And it’s like, I’m aware that it was predominantly an attack on jews and the media have been talking non-stop about jews since it happened and our responsibility is White Australians. I don’t have a responsibility for jews, I have a responsibility for White Australians.

 

So I think it’s very important that we try to retake some of that narrative because the politicians have said nothing about how this is an attack on Australians, let alone White Australians.

 

Obviously the politicians aren’t going to say this is an attack on White Australians.

 

Henrik Palgren: Right.

 

Thomas Sewell: But I mean, I saw one of the opposition leaders come out with a post just today and, sorry, it was a video, and he said:

 

“This terrorist attack is an attack on the jewish community. And although it’s disrespectful to Australians this is the primary issue is that it’s an attack on the jewish community and it’s about hatred and we have to stop hatred of jews.”

 

And it’s like, hang on a minute. Disrespectful to Australians? Like there’s a little bit more than disrespectful to Australians! Yeah, I mean the idea that shooting at Australians is:

 

“It’s disrespectful, but it’s not driven by hate of Australia and Australia’s values. It’s driven by hatred of jews!”

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah. So the call that you’ve seen then is obviously, yes, the jewish community seems to be mobilizing around, targeting Albanese and the Labor government, obviously that they want them out. I think I even heard, is it Sharri Markson* on Sky News, the jewish host there? She was talking about how Albanese had, I forget exactly what the word is. I’m paraphrasing, but it’s like “have emboldened or aided Hamas” or something in Australia. Is there any truth to that? Or is it like, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes.

 

Henrik Palgren: Okay, yeah, give me your take on that.

 

* Sharri Markson (born 8 March 1984) is a Jewish Australian journalist and author. She is investigations editor at The Australian and host of the Sky News Australia program Sharri, which airs 8-9 PM Monday to Thursday. She is the winner of numerous awards in journalism, including two Walkley Awards.]

 

[42:32]

 

Thomas Sewell: The Right-wing jews in Australia are very connected obviously with the Liberal Party. And the Liberal Party has never been doing worse in the history of its existence in the Australian political spectrum.

 

So what’s happening in Australia in the last four or five years is the Liberal Party has gone from a serious contender at winning the 51% of the, not the primary vote, but the total vote. When you get all the preferencing schemes or the minor parties or the satellite parties all funnel all their votes into the Liberal Party so they can win the 51%. They went from a serious contender to that, to basically total party death. I mean the Liberal Party is on its way to becoming no longer being one of the big two. And Australian politics is fracturing on the Right.

 

And so the jews, the Zionist jews especially, are absolutely petrified that they’re losing that conservative Right, You know, the control, what’s it called? The gatekeeper. They’re losing their gate-keeping party. The “Containment Right”, sorry is the word I’m looking for. They’re losing control of the Containment Right.

 

And so the jews are shifting between One Nation which is the slightly more Right-wing party, led by a redhead lady called Pauline Hanson, who was fish and chip shop lady that said racist things about Asians and now she’s like the biggest judeophile in the country.

 

And so they’re shifting support towards One Nation and the Right-wing faction within the Liberal Party. And there is truth to the fact that the Labor Party has aided and abetted Hamas in the sense that the Labor Party gains a lot of its vote from the Muslim blocs and does everything it can to not upset the Muslims. And when this war in Palestine was going on, the Labor Party was in a very difficult situation because a lot of the people that make up the Labor Party are, … And also their main alliance, which is with the Greens, which is a very Left-wing party that’s very pro-Palestine. The Labor Party are caught between a rock and a hard place where they’re really pro-jewish but they kind of have to be anti-Israel. Similar to like the Jeremy Corbyns, …

 

Henrik Palgren: I was gonna say, it’s like UK. Even Sweden has that dynamic too with the Social Democrats. They’re extremely in with the Muslim faction and trying to bring them aboard and they’re kind of infiltrating the party and they are actually taking more power.

 

And so the kind of conservative opposition is therefore kind of forced to take an even more pro-stance. Even the Sweden, Democrats were like led into the fold of like being unofficial ties with Israel. They went to a trip over there recently and they were of course so happy about it. But just to reiterate that point. You are right that there’s a lot of people in America that don’t understand the Muslim dynamic, that they just think that Muslims are simply, … Has it been used like that? Of course! I mean, even opening the borders partially to Muslims. Right. Have been kind of a geostrategic demographic plan, if you will, right from the War on Terror with the neocons, which displaced a lot of these people. They used that as the excuse and now we have to let in Muslims.

 

So there’s a sure, there’s a functionality in that. Not every one, obviously, but some doesn’t seem to understand just how big of a problem that that is and that the Muslim organized community actually is. And they just think them as pawns of Mossad and Israeli interests essentially. Right.

 

Thomas Sewell: And also the dynamic in Australia is very different to America. So in America you have predominantly a Mexican and an African problem.

 

And so you have whole suburbs taken over by Mexicans or you have whole suburbs taken over by Africans. We don’t have that in Australia. There’s no suburb in Australia that’s taken over by Mexicans and there’s very few suburbs, like there’s probably only two or three suburbs in Melbourne and maybe one or two suburbs in Sydney that are taken over by Africans. But what we do have is we have entire regions of our cities, like we’re talking 3, 4, 5, 6 suburbs at a time, taken over by Arabs. And we have huge Islamic, you know, voting blocks. We have huge Islamic organizations. The Muslims are very organized. Like I used to work in the northern suburbs just as a casual worker when I was doing the residential care. And there was a resi home in the northern suburbs and I was looking after some drug addict teenagers, and you know, taking them to play footy and stuff like that. And they were the only White kids in the whole area.

 

I mean, there was three mosques in that suburb. And I’m telling you there was probably 5,000 Muslims per mosque, all fighting age men, all fit, all healthy. It was an army. There was probably, there was like more than a division, more than a division, like a World War II size division, like probably 15,000 fighting Muslims in that one suburb.

 

And I mean, we’re talking about guys aged between 18 and 40 you know, on the steroids train at the kickboxing gym. You know, I mean, like when you talk about “tribe and train”, they were organized on another level! And so and they’re political, they’re religious, they’re not low IQ niggers running around shooting each other with guns. They’re much more intelligent. They’re probably like averaging a 95 IQ, which is in that zone where they can organize effectively in very large numbers. The Africans can’t do that. So, if there’s societal collapse, if there’s a breakdown, you’ve got potentially tens of thousands of Muslim fighters as a fifth column in your country, that’s a way bigger threat than just like the chaos and anarchy of a hundred thousand Africans just in this city.

 

So I think some Americans probably do understand it. They might live in particular areas and they might be observing what happens in Europe and our situation is closer to Europe than it is to America’s.

 

[48:41]

 

 

Henrik Palgren: Right, exactly, exactly!

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. With the added factor of the Chinese and the Indians. So yeah, they’re obviously less militant, but they’re equally as organized at an economic level.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, exactly! It’s a major problem. And they’re kind of there’s this alliance, as you said, between the, usually the Labor government, the Left-wing governments and the Muslim faction kind of thing.

 

So I’m very familiar with it now that’s played out in Sweden. It’s very detrimental and yeah, so basically it’s a multi-pronged attack. It’s Chinese, it’s Indians, it’s Muslims, it’s jews. It’s like everyone!

 

Thomas Sewell: Social cohesion. It’s social cohesion.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: That’s what the so the government. I’ve never heard this word used so much in the last six months. It’s like they got the patch, like they got the software patch, they got the software update. Every media station, every politician on all sides, Liberal, Labor, all they talk about now is “social cohesion”. Every press conference, “social cohesion”.

 

Henrik Palgren: Interesting!

 

Thomas Sewell: Every arrest, social cohesion! Every law change they’re trying to make:

 

“We got to improve social cohesion!”

 

And you know when ASIO gets up on the TV, like Mike Burgess, when he gets up on the press releases:

 

“Social cohesion! Social cohesion! Social cohesion!”

 

It is the running meme of 2025 here in Australia is the government will not stop talking about social cohesion, which really is about public trust in the institutions, public trust in the government and the fact that we’re in a multipolar society, that guns or no guns, people are breaking away from each other and everyone is getting way more racist.

 

All people, all Whites, Indians, Muslims, Chinese people, we’re going into that mode where boundaries between suburbs are becoming more clear and White flight is becoming far more obvious. And, yeah, people are starting to stick to their own areas more, which in America you’ve probably had for a really long time. You’ve had probably that breakdown in social cohesion.

 

But here in Australia, we had this, like crazy salt and pepper multiculturalism where every suburb just had a light Dusting of high IQ, non-White people that we just stole from the Third World. But now we’ve got all the foot soldiers here. So now the social cohesion’s properly broken down now.

 

Henrik Palgren: Do you think they intend to actually use it in the way we use it, or did we have to integrate them, then better? Is that the kind of the, …

 

Thomas Sewell: No, they’re not even bothering with that’s the brilliant part of it. Their strategy is so ineffective, they’re not even bothering to talk about assimilation anymore. They gave up on assimilation about five years ago. I haven’t really heard that word used by any of the parties, except maybe One Nation. They’re probably the only one still trying to die on the hill of assimilation, which is good. I’m glad that there’s a controlled opposition in that area so that they can die on the hill of assimilation, because it won’t work.

 

Henrik Palgren: And that’s Pauline Hanson.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, it’s Pauline Hanson.

 

Henrik Palgren: Okay.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. So she’s gone from a pretty explicitly White nationalist position where it’s like her maiden speech, she said:

 

“Australia is being threatened by being flooded with Asians!”

 

And the whole mainstream media just mocked her. They didn’t argue against it. They just mocked her and said:

 

“That that’s insane! That’s ridiculous!”

 

And this is in 1996. And she was right. And now that she’s right, instead of doubling down on her position that Australia’s now flooded with Asians, she’s now got Asians and Indians in her party. And she’s saying:

 

“Oh, but these are assimilated. They’re assimilated Asians!”

 

And so she’s gone like, she’s doubling down on Civnattery and the assimilation method.

 

Whereas the Liberal Party and Labor Party. The Liberal Party has two factions. It has the Right-wing and Left-wing in it. So it’s meant to be a Right-wing party, but it’s actually been taken over by Left-wingers.

 

And I’m not just talking about the Overton Window shifting. It actually has had a coup, like an internal coup. And basically the Right-wing faction was more aligned with that One Nation rhetoric. Like they want to maintain the assimilation lie, whereas the Left-wing faction:

 

“No, that’s racist! You can’t say ‘assimilation’ because that implies that our culture is better than theirs. So they shouldn’t be assimilating into our culture.”

 

So that’s fucking awesome! That’s great news. I don’t want these people assimilating or attempting to assimilate.

 

Henrik Palgren: No.

 

Thomas Sewell: And the ones that have attempted are being outnumbered now by the ones that don’t even give a fuck and don’t have any respect for our culture and society. And so, yeah, social cohesion is at an all time low.

 

Yeah, that’s basically the situation in Australian politics. And now they’re calling for deportations, but they’re doing it in a very soft way. They basically want to try to just more of the same. They want to deport and block anti-semites coming in the country. And the rhetoric is not really around like anything like Donald Trump where he’s talking about people from shithole countries. That rhetoric is not on the menu here in Australia.

 

[53:42]

 

Henrik Palgren: Right. Yep. Nope. Exactly!

 

Thomas Sewell: Pauline Hanson’s broached it a little bit, but nowhere at the same level.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: So basically the Right-wing in the United States or Donald Trump, like the MAGA camp is more Right-wing than the party that’s broken away from. Not to sound too complicated, [chuckling] but like One Nation has basically tripled in size in the last couple of years because the Liberal Party, after there was a Left-wing coup in it, is just in shambles.

 

And so I guess this leads into the next point which is about building up our party and the kind of support that we’re seeing.

 

Henrik Palgren: Exactly! No, I want to get into that. And guys, I’ll get to some of your chats and questions for Tom here too in a moment. I appreciate the support there too. We’ll get to that.

 

Just quick, regarding the gun there’s a couple of things in terms of the fallout here. I think you have the next election in 2028 and again, I’m not staring myself too blind on this, but it’s just an interesting dynamic in terms of like will the current government been able to push through then a couple of things when it comes to additional gun laws or maybe then restricting these, even these hunting license, you know, hunting licenses that they’re handing out right now! And what do you think will happen in regards to the hate this was one headline from GB News here:

 

“Racial Hatred laws must be tightened in the wake of Bondi beach massacre!”

 

So are these the two main things that the Labor Party will deal with, do you think?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes. So Jack Eltis, the state leader [of NSN] for New South Wales, put out a very good post recently where he basically explained that it’s sad that the government is going to take away more rights of freedoms or privileges of the Australian population, but it’s ultimately a net positive in the sense that Australians do need to get shocked into reality. They need to wake up from their slumber and realize that no matter what happens, good, bad, indifferent, the result it’s going to be mutated into taking away their rights. That there’s never going to be a solution to deporting all these Muslims. There’s never going to be a solution to stopping the level of crime. Any law that’s passed is just going to affect you. And that these laws are constantly just, yeah, mutated to affect White Australians when White Australians are not the cause of the problem.

 

So I know a lot about gun laws in Australia because I used to be really interested in it as a subject prior to really dedicating myself to White nationalism. Really there’s not much they can do, there’s not much the government can do except hot air. What they will do if they want some sort of nominal victory is they will ban all the niche firearms that aren’t bolt action.

 

So at the moment in Australia we’ve got a whole bunch of firearms that kind of circumvent the law in the sense that they aren’t actually bolt action rifles, but you can get them on a Cat B license, which anyone can get if you join a hunting club, which is what this young Arab, this young half Indian Muslim dude did. He just joined, I think the Zavasta Hunting Club, which is like Serbian hunting club. It’s just connected to the Serbian community. Not that they’ve got any implication in this. That must have been his local hunting club. He joined that club, therefore he gets access to a Cat B.

 

But he didn’t use a strictly bolt action rifle in the attack. He used a straight, what’s called a “straight pull”, which, Beretta make one, I think Ticker makes one. There’s a whole bunch of gun companies that make niche rifles, but they’re always very expensive. A bolt action rifle in Australia would cost somewhere between six hundred and twelve hundred dollars. Like a decent one, or a half decent one. The straight pulls are usually the more bougie end of the market. Like two and a half, $3,000. Three and a half thousand dollars. So rifles are very expensive in Australia.

 

And what they would do to get a nominal victory is they would change the law and say:

 

“Straight pulls, they’re rapid fire bolt actions, they’re too fast! And we can’t let people get them!”

 

So that means the next terror attack will be like 20% slower, right? Instead of 15 people being killed, maybe 14 or 13 people will be killed.

 

Henrik Palgren: So just send more cops and the amount of kills will be the same. Or more female cops.

 

Thomas Sewell: Well, shit, one of the female cops almost killed just a random Arab on the bridge.

 

Henrik Palgren: Well, of course, [chuckling] yeah, yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: So the death toll almost got higher! You know, insert the Sam Hyde clip. Fuck!

 

Yeah, they scare me genuinely, especially when they’re at the door.

 

But yeah, I’ve had a male cop tackle me like with his gun out. And I wasn’t in fear at all! I was just like:

 

“I’m not resisting, I’m not resisting!”

 

Like, I was just chill.

 

But when I see a female cop with a gun out, I freak out! I’m like:

 

“This is it. Hail Odin! Like it’s over. [chuckling] Yeah, take me!”

 

Henrik Palgren: Take you to Valhalla? Yeah, if a female cop shoots you, …

 

Thomas Sewell: The Valkyries have come to take me! Oh no. Because they’re just so scary, because they’re shaking and shit! Like they get the brief. Like:

 

“He’s a terrorist! He’s a maniac! Be on guard!”

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: And you say that to a woman with a gun before they’re like kicking your door. And fuck! It’s like they’re on speed. Like their pupils are so dilated its scary.

 

Henrik Palgren: Oh gosh!

 

Thomas Sewell: The look in their eyes is scary. Yeah, it’s like you can’t tell where they’re predator or prey. It’s a mixture of both. They’re prey with a gun. It’s crazy!

 

But anyway, I’ll stop with the “misogyny”, because it’s not the point of the stream.

 

[59:13]

 

 

Henrik Palgren: Let’s have some more. [chuckling] Come on! Okay. Yeah. So you know, again you have the Port Arthur massacre.

 

Thomas Sewell: You know that definitely is very suspicious!

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, I mean, undoubtedly. Right.

 

Thomas Sewell: There’s questions and it’s not because one’s a Muslim and one’s not. It’s not about that. The Port Arthur massacre is extremely suspicious and there’s a lot of good docos that have been made on it. An associate, I wouldn’t say an associate that might get him in trouble, but someone I’ve actually met before in the alternative sort of political space a decade ago, a guy called Paul Moder*, he actually made a documentary called Wasp on the Port Arthur massacre. And he spent about 10 years researching the Port Arthur massacre. And yeah, I won’t go into detail because I don’t want to do a conspiracy stream today, but it’s very obvious that what they’re telling us about that situation is just not true.

 

[* Film director and actor Paul Moder has embarked on a cinematic retelling of the Port Arthur Massacre, which goes into full production 2019, under the title of WASP. But unlike the current wave of “true crime”, Moder attempts to unpick the official version of events and create a rare piece of Australian revisionist-history cinema. Well before it’s made, WASP is already very controversial, but it continues a lineage of pessimism and historical revisionism that started in late 1960s with films like Blow Up, Parallax View and reaching crescendo with Oliver Stone’s JFK in 1991. https:// www.pureshitauscinema.com/interviews/moder.html]

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah. And then end result of that, a lot of the guns were, it was a buyback program. Right. That happened after.

 

Thomas Sewell: So it’s a bit misunderstood. Even in Australia, most people don’t really know what happened. So John Howard* [former Aust PM] passed laws saying you can’t own semi-autos anymore, again unless you’ve got this special Cat C, Cat D license, whereas you used to get all firearms all on the same license.

 

[* John Winston Howard (born 26 July 1939) is an Australian former politician who served as the 25th prime minister of Australia from 1996 to 2007, holding office as leader of the Liberal Party of Australia. His eleven-year tenure as prime minister is the second-longest in Australian history, after that of Sir Robert Menzies. Since the death of Bob Hawke in 2019, Howard is the oldest living Australian former prime minister. Howard was born in Sydney and studied law at the University of Sydney. He was a commercial lawyer before entering Parliament.]

 

And I think some states, they didn’t even have licenses. I’ve heard stories of people, they could go into Kmart and buy a gun and like just buy it off the shelf and just take it on the train and go home with it. I’ve actually spoken to people in person that have said that they used to be able to, when they’re 18, they could walk down to the sports shop and buy a gun, get on a train, take the gun home on the train. No one would even blink an eye. And that was the Australia they grew up in. So some really similar to how America used to be. But after Port Arthur they changed the law so you can’t have semi-autos and they Instituted more licensing sort of schematics.

 

But what they did was they did it, they did a buyback program, but the stats of it are not publicly known. They’re publicly available, but they only got about 700,000 rifles in that first year. Obviously they got a few more later on, but they only got back about 700,000 rifles.

 

And I think 4% of the rifles they got back in the buyback were semi-autos. And to put that into context, 600,000 SKS is, were imported into the country in 1995 and 1996. So the year that the gun buyback happened, more SKS came into the country than SKS were handed over.

 

Henrik Palgren: Oh, interesting.

 

Thomas Sewell: Really any rifle that was handed over, almost.

 

So yeah, there’s a lot of law in this country about, there’s a whole generation of guys in their 70s and 80s that have all just got like crates of SKS is buried on their farms. Now, I’ve personally never seen it, I’ve never witnessed it, never touched one, never heard of one. They all got lost in fishing trips as far as, …

 

Henrik Palgren: Tragic boating accident!

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes, tragic boating accidents. I got no knowledge of anything like of the sort! But there’s a lot of like folklore about those hundreds of thousands of SKS that came in the country in 1996. As I said, only 4% of the 700,000 rifles that were handed back were semi-autos. And actually they’re not SKSs. They were actually SKKs.

 

So they’re like a Chinese SKS that could take AK magazines. And very occasionally there’ll be a shooting between like bikies and the cops. And you’ll see it’s full automatic fire coming out of one of these SKKs, shooting the helicopters or something crazy like that.

 

Henrik Palgren: So.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, but again that’s all very old, like, …

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, right.

 

Thomas Sewell: It’ll be in the Cosmoline oil* or whatever in the crates in the ground and 99% of them be forgotten about if the bikies don’t get their hands on them. But the Arabs actually have AKs and Glocks, all these like organized crime groups. There’s a whole shipment of Glocks that went missing years ago.

 

[* Cosmoline is the genericized trademark for a common class of brown, wax-like petroleum-based corrosion inhibitors, typically conforming to United States, Military Standard MIL-C-11796C Class 3. They are viscous when freshly applied, have a slight fluorescence, and solidify over time with exposure to air. The main ingredient in cosmoline is aliphatic petroleum solvent, which is volatile and evaporates over time.]

 

There’s been two terrorist attacks on Australian soil in the past by Africans of all things. And they got AKs from the local mosque. So there’s a huge amount of illegal firearms to that have been imported in the country since 1996 that the Arabs and Muslims have control over. Because they’re involved with organized crime.

 

Henrik Palgren: Correct? Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: They control the vast majority of organized crime in Australia, similar to Sweden.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yep, that’s right. Exactly! Yeah. Guns came in. I figured it’d be a little bit more complicated with Australia being an island as opposed to the EU. You can basically just drive in with them from like some Balkan country or something.

 

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Thomas Sewell: But they get them in the same way they get drugs and they just get them in on shipping container. If a whole bunch get caught, they don’t care. They can bring in a thousand at a time.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, they’re the arming themselves and they’re being allowed to also. Yeah, I mean, let’s be honest. It’s a feature and not a bug, I think, to be honest.

 

Okay, so the next thing that we’re going. Yeah, okay, so Hate Speech laws. Anything else you want to say about that? What do you think? So they banned the swastika and the roman, you know, things like this. What’s next here? What do you think you’re looking at?

 

Thomas Sewell: It’ll just be more funding to this new task force they’ve built, the AFP, Australian Federal Police, which is basically trying to convert itself into the FBI.

 

So the Federal Police, my understanding of the Federal Police for the last couple decades has really focused on organized crime, has focused on importing and shipping like drugs into the country or guns into the country. It’s been focused on white-collar crime as well.

 

So really big frauders, really big scammers, kind of Wall Street crime, white-collar crime, people stealing money that work at banks. I know there was some young guys that got done with some sort of banking fraud scheme. And that’s all AFP. The state police don’t handle a lot of that. More expertise crime. That’s really what the feds have been doing for a long time. And what they’re converting the Federal Police into is. And it’s very clever the way the government do it. They basically have control of the budget. And so they’ll say:

 

“Hey, we’re giving this much money to the Federal Police. Oh you’ve got less funding now. You’ve got to shut down some of your departments.”

 

And so they shut down these departments and then like they do the budget and then the next year they go:

 

“Oh, actually you’re getting 500 million more than last year!”

 

And then it’s like:

 

“Oh, and here are the new departments that we recommend you set up.”

 

So there’s an article that came out today. So when the ASIO director general, Mike Burgess*, came into position in charge of ASIO, back in 2019, they fired 10 of the most senior, kind of staff of ASIO, And they would have done the same thing. They would have said:

 

“Oh, we don’t have money. You know, we’re too top heavy. We’re too top heavy! It’s a boys club at the top and they’re all on a good salary and we got to save money. We’re too top heavy!”

 

[* Michael Paul Burgess is an Australian intelligence official, and the current Director-General of Security in charge of the Australian Security Intelligence Organization (ASIO). Prior to his appointment to this role on 16 September 2019, Burgess was director-general of the Australian Signals Directorate (ASD). Burgess was born in England, and immigrated to Adelaide, South Australia in 1973 at the age of seven. He was the first member of his family to study in higher education, receiving a degree in electrical engineering from the South Australian Institute of Technology in 1988.]

 

That’s what they’re doing. They’re trying to do that with defense at the moment. But really it’s always a coup. And it’s known in the Australian inner circle as being “The Red Wedding”. That’s what they called it. It’s like the Red Wedding where they basically couped and they killed off, they retired, they forced retired like 10 of the most senior counter terrorist experts at ASIO. That were probably like racist Right-wingers that were like they’re the post 9/11 intelligence people* that are like:

 

“Yep, let’s catch these Muslims!”

 

And they got rid of those guys. And that was around the time this Bondi shooter was being investigated by ASIO, So what you have is then you had the Brennan Tarrant incident [in New Zealand] happen. You had the top 10 senior staff of ASIO getting fired.

 

[* Who would well know that 9/11 was a ZOG false flag engineered from Israel. See ALSO LINKS below.]

 

And then you have the new funding come in after they’re getting fired. And that new funding came in, and 40% of their budget now is Right-wing extremism. And the budget for these state police forces, Federal Police forces and ASIO varies anywhere from 40 to 70% of their budget of their task force, of their manpower. Really, that’s what it means, is dedicated to anti-semitism from the Right-wing perspective, as opposed to from the Muslim perspective or just terrorism from a Right-wing perspective, as a set of terrorism from a Muslim perspective.

 

And so what we would be looking at is more funding to these task force. So that would mean more offices, that would mean a bigger budget, that would mean more raids, that would mean more intimidation, that would mean more charges are going to get laid.

 

And so it just means that people just got to be more, I guess, sensitive with their rhetoric. There are things that I have said in the past, back in 2018, 2019, that I, after those reforms came in, there’s no way I would say them in 2022, 2023.

 

And likewise, there are things that I’ve said online, 2023 that I just simply would not say today. And it’s not because I’m a, it’s not because I’m fucking optics cucking and:

 

“Oh, I’m a moderate now. Now we’ve got mainstream coverage and we’re a household name now I’m changing my rhetoric and betraying my base!”

 

It’s like, no, it’s just that I don’t want to go to jail for two years for fucking saying the wrong thing on the Internet. I’m okay with going to jail for a couple months for punching people in the head. That’s cool. But I’m not okay with going to jail for two, … Like what’s happening to Joel [Davis] right now? I mean, what did he say? “Rhetorical rape”?

 

Henrik Palgren: Right.

 

Thomas Sewell: That’s crazy! And he’s done like two months now, so he’s done almost as much time, … He’s got a bailout coming up on the 23rd, so that’ll be what, a month in jail or more? It’d be almost six weeks in jail!

 

Henrik Palgren: Have you spoken to him recently?

 

[1:08:45]

 

 

Thomas Sewell: No, I haven’t because he has to call me. So it takes a long time to get names and numbers added to the callers. So I haven’t received a phone call from him unfortunately. But I expect one soon. But I’ve spoken obviously with the lawyer and there’s obviously confidentiality so he can’t go into detail, but he can pass on regards and tell me about his general well being.

 

So yeah, I have spoken to people that have spoken to him. But yeah, he seems to be doing okay. He’s just frustrated. And as you would be.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, he missed his birth of his son, I believe.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. His first child.

 

Henrik Palgren: And they’ve been going after his girlfriend as well. Some headlines out, right?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes.

 

Henrik Palgren: Are you in contact with anyone else around him and how they’re dealing with it, the situation?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, my missus and his missus are in contact. Obviously she needs a bit of space with everything that’s going on. But you know, she’s reached out and yeah, we’re in contact with her. She’s got a little bit of support in Sydney from some of the partners over there and also her family are quite supportive.

 

So yeah, it’s disgusting that that journalist that went and harassed her. I think it was like two or three days after she gave birth where she’s putting nappies in the bin and they’ve got a private investigator out the front taking photos of her. That same journalist came to my family, my in law’s house and twisted words that my family said through a fly screen door.

 

And they also went to Matthew Gruter’s house as well and Matthew Gruter’s wife had just given birth as well. I think they had a two week old baby. And yeah, when they went to my family, my in-laws house, we’ve got a brand new baby as well. Like we’re not brand new but like a six month old baby and a toddler. And they’re attacking, they’re coming after the women, they’re coming after our wives and you know, it’s obviously abhorrent. But and it’s radicalizing, it’s really radicalizing. You know the expression:

 

“You don’t hate journalists enough!”

 

And this is a classic example of it. Like imagine the mentality that a journalist would have to go:

 

“Oh, this woman’s just given birth.”

 

Because they know, they know the details because it was mentioned in court that she was due within a week. And so imagine going:

 

“Oh, she’s due within a week. Let’s cause as much stress and harm and cortisol to her as possible!”

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: And put her in the news and put her in the media either while she’s just about to have birth or give birth or she’s just had the process.

 

And anyone that knows anything about childbirth, labor, postpartum, they know that that’s the most absolutely critical time for a woman to balance her hormones and to not have any unnecessary stress. It’s when they need the most amount of sort of oxytocin. They just need love, they need cuddles. Like usual, but on another level, women need just cuddles in general.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: But they really just need cuddles and support before, during and after that whole process. And these journalists would know that they would know that. She’s a woman, she would know that. But these people are evil and they’re possessed by demons and the demons attack the vulnerable. They attack the weak and the vulnerable and they attack women. They attack women when they’re at their most vulnerable. I mean my missus didn’t get attacked like any day of the week while I wasn’t in jail. But she’s getting harassed and attacked by journalists when I’m in jail. So when she’s alone. So they come after you when you’re alone. They come after you when you’re vulnerable. They come after you when you’ve just given birth, you can barely walk because, you’re still recovering.

 

I mean, yeah. What we’re going to do to these journalists when we take power in a legal and lawful manner is going to be like, I’ve got experience with how the system has treated me over the years for being a political dissident. And yeah, these people are really silly! Like the way they’re behaving, they don’t know who they’re messing with. They just don’t know who they’re messing with! They don’t realize that we have really long memories and we are never going to forgive them! Ever! So keep going, see what happens! I mean they may as well keep doubling down because they’re already going to get the worst! [chuckling] Like the worst thing I can think of is what’s going to happen to these journalists, to do this to Joel’s missus and by default to Joel. But Joel’s fine, he’ll be right. But to do this to his partner is just disgusting!

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, media has always been a fifth column, right? Always an operative for the state, an additional element or something that you can use in your war, in your effort to target someone who is an undesirable to the system, essentially. Right.

 

So yeah, it’s absolutely disgusting!

 

Okay, so yes, tell us and then we’ll get to some questions here too, guys. We appreciate you get a bunch of questions to get to, and comments.

 

But yeah, the party then. So tell us about how these ideas formulated and the fact that you were at a point here, like the legal process in Australia makes it fairly easy as far as I understand it. And I’m sure there’s hoops you have to jump through as always. But in terms of actually registering it and even the possibility of getting a seat in a county, I’m not sure if you call a county down there, but explain this to us a little bit.

 

[1:14:22]

 

Thomas Sewell: Okay. Well, from the start, Australia has two houses. It has what’s called an Upper House and a Lower House. Our Upper House is a Senate and you get elected based off the, a larger, … How to explain it?

 

So you can get Senators in quite easily if you broadly get a vote across the state. So even though it’s a federal election, you might only need somewhere between 1 and 10% of the state to vote for you. And again, it’s not a straightforward, it’s not an exact percentage that you need. Some people get 7% of the vote and they don’t get a Senator. Some people get 2% of the vote and they get a Senator. It’s all about preferencing schemes and deals and there’s a lot of dodgy stuff that goes on in the Australian system, which should all be eradicated, but we just have to work with what we’ve got.

 

But if you get say 10% of the vote, you’re almost guaranteed to get a Senate seat, and that’s 10% of the vote, regardless of where they are living in that state. And then each state, I think has, I don’t know, I think there’s like 49. No, there’d be more than 49. I think it’s 75 Senators in total, something like that. And they’re spread out across the state at a federal level.

 

But then you have the Lower House, which are called MPs or it’s the House of Representatives and you have to actually win the majority of the vote within what you would call a county. We call it an electorate.

 

And so the state is broken down into say, I think 49 electorates and or it actually depends. I think it’s 120,000 people per electorate, roughly. Some are 100,000, some 140,000, but roughly it’s 120,000 people or 120,000 voters, one or the other. And you have to win 51% or 50.1% of the vote to get that seat. Now you don’t have to win 50% of the primary vote, you have to do these preferencing schemes with all these other parties, because we’re not a two party system like in America where it’s Republican or Democrat. The Labor Party might get 34% of the vote, then the Green Party might get 8% of the vote, that makes 42. And then as long as their coalition is bigger than the coalition of the Liberals, then they get the seat.

 

So there’s like, I don’t know, 200 MPs across the country and 75 Senators, something like that, or those aren’t exact numbers. Just go on Wikipedia and you can find out exactly! But what’s important to know is that we have these two different houses. Kind of like how you’ve got Congressmen and Senators and kind of like how in the UK they’ve got the House of Lords and then they’ve got the ministers, or, sorry, not the ministers, the MPs.

 

So we have MPs and we have Senators and they’re different, they’re elected on different bases. Now we’re not really going to contest the Lower House. Even though there’s more seats available, those seats are much harder to get because you need to actually be the dominant political force in that area, which if you’re not in the major parties, is almost impossible.

 

For example, the Green Party in Australia is the third biggest party in Australia and they have 11 Senators or 10 Senators. And I think they only have one MP. And that could have been from a defection. I don’t know if actually. No, it might have been an actual victory in the Lower House.

 

So that’s basically all the MP seats are controlled by the Liberal Party and Labor Party, the two big parties. They’ve got like a monopoly on the Lower House, duopoly, or jewopoly.

 

And then the Senate is actually more diverse. It’s got all the micro parties in it. It’s got One Nation’s got four or five seats. The Greens have got 10 seats. There’s all these niche parties with one or two seats. So they have a lot more power in the Senate. And how that works is the Lower House passes bills. So they’ll say we want to introduce new legislation or we want to introduce new laws. And they’ll draft it up, they’ll write it up. They have to make their deals in the Lower House to get the Bill to pass through the Lower House, which is where the Prime Minister is. We don’t have a president. So the Prime Minister doesn’t have any executive power at passing bills. His executive powers come from his cabinet.

 

So it’s more about the management of the country. That’s where his power comes from. He can’t manage the Lower House. He’s just the Prime Minister. He’s the prime speaker in the Lower House. He doesn’t have like, I don’t believe he has any veto ability. If he does, someone in the chat correct me, but I don’t believe the Prime Minister has any vetoing ability. There’s all sorts of niche crazy laws. Because we’ve got like the British Parliament system, we’re basically operating a British Parliament that’s slightly modified. So there’s a Speaker of the House and there’s a Leader of the House, all sorts of stuff going on.

 

But the general rule is that once the Bill passes through the Lower House, it then has to go to the Upper House, which is the Senators, and then has to be passed through the Upper House as well.

 

So if we can get guys in the Senate, we can block bills that are bad for White Australians and we can agree to bills that are good for White Australians. And we can quite easily in the next one or three between one and three election cycles. So between three to nine years from now, we can quite easily, quite easily, hold the balance in the Senate!

 

Henrik Palgren: Interesting!

 

Thomas Sewell: So what that, what that would mean is we might only need five seats in the Senate and we could quite easily swing, … A lot of these bills. They can be swung by one or two votes in the Senate. So it might pass easily through the Lower House, but then it gets the Senate, it won’t get through the Senate. So we can block some bad stuff coming through. And obviously that can then tie in with our general political strategy.

 

Obviously, we don’t believe that there’s a pure Parliamentary solution. Obviously, we’re working in so many different ways to build parallel society and parallel function in this country.

 

And obviously the meta-political shift and the cultural shift that we’re trying to make, which is our primary concern is getting Australians to identify as White people. The problem is that they don’t identify as White people. Well, they’re starting to. And that’s where we’re seeing our success, is they’re starting to identify as White people again, which is how it was. And we need to get back.

 

And what we’re seeing with this Bondi thing, for example, is for the first time ever, in the “most successful multicultural” country in the world, we’re seeing actually a lot of mainstream criticizm of multiculturalism. So multiculturalism is like the golden calf in Australia. They worship it. They absolutely worship it! Multiculturalism is the replacement to the White Australia Policy.

 

So for the first, no one’s allowed to criticize multiculturalism. If you criticize it, you have to criticize it in a way that:

 

“Oh, they’re not assimilating enough! Of course I support multiculturalism, but I just want a better version of multiculturalism.”

 

You know, I mean that’s the only way that people really criticize multiculturalism in Parliament, within the political realm. But what we’re finally seeing now is genuine criticizm and a grassroots dislike of multiculturalism in Australia. But there’s not one political party that’s against multiculturalism. We’re the only one.

 

So can we get 5% of the vote? Can we get 10? Can we get 20? Can we get 30? I don’t know. I don’t have the answer to that at this stage. Time will tell, and we’ll see how bad the country gets and how radical and how racialized politics becomes. But we are succeeding in what we’re doing. We have about double the amount of people that are signed up to support us. However, only half of those people are signed up to actually go on the registrar, which is a private form with the AEC. It’s not the government. The AEC is a third party that is obviously a government institution, but it’s a unique third party that has never leaked data of membership lists.

 

Henrik Palgren: So this would be the first! No, I’m just joking! Because it would, …

 

[1:22:10]

 

 

Thomas Sewell: It would be the first time. Well, how they doxed the One Nation list back in 1998 or 1999, but they didn’t dox it from the AEC. The AEC didn’t have a breach of privacy. They’re a professional institution. They’re civn ats mostly, but they’re professional institution, and they’re a patriotic institution in that sense. But the way that the list of One Nation members got leaked was by jews in the party. Jews in the party leaked it!

 

So they had, there were jews in the party that had access to the list and they leaked it to their friends that didn’t like the party. Whereas we don’t have any jews in our party.

 

Henrik Palgren: First time in history!

 

Thomas Sewell: There’s only about four people in the organization. Maybe a fifth. Yeah, there’s four or five people that have access to the list. I am one of them, obviously.

 

But yeah, it’s held in the absolute tightest of circles. There’s some state leaders that don’t even have access to the list. If they asked for it, we would give it to them. I would let any state leader see the list.

 

But yeah, it’s a very, it’s a secret document. I mean, ASIO would probably be able to see the list because they could probably hack into our computers. But look, what are they going to do with it? What are ASIO going to do with it?

 

Henrik Palgren: No, sure. No, I get the point. I’m just saying, …

 

Thomas Sewell: The fact is there’s 3400 people on the list, so I wouldn’t be concerned. So there’s some Australians:

 

“I don’t want to sign up to the party because then ASIO is going to know I exist!”

 

It’s like, look, you’re probably already on a list from being racist on Facebook and liking The Noticer. You know [chuckling] what I mean?

 

Like if you follow particular pages on Facebook, you’re probably already on their list. I guess you would just be on a maybe a different list.

 

But again, I’ve said this for years. It’s strength in numbers. It’s strength in numbers. And we share the risk. We share the risk. When there’s 10,000 names on the list, which maybe in a year or two there will be, what matters? Why does it matter if you’re one of ten thousand? I mean, if you’re one of ten thousand, what’s going to happen to you? The police, I mean, how much resources they’re going to have to harass? The way the police harass us is they prioritize who’s most important to harass. So they harass the leadership. 90% of our membership have never been harassed by the police. They’ve had no issues with the police.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: And I mean, that’s membership of our activist core. I’m not talking about membership of the party. I’m saying 90% of our activists because we’re so big now, the vast majority have never even been tested. So only the kind of guys that have been around four or five years have really any experience with repeated harassment from the police.

 

So, yeah, I would say that’s the party website. Well, that’s the org website. Obviously, the party is a part of the org. We’re looking at putting forward our four big policies in January next year.

 

[1:24:54]

 

So we just had a series of seminars where we covered our four policies. They’re not on the website yet. I’ve copped a little bit of criticizm for that, but it will be up on the website soon. We’re just polishing them. We had a seminar last weekend across all the States except New South Wales because they’re preparing for nationals. Where we covered, we had one speaker per policy. And the four policies are simple.

 

We want the White Australia Policy to be reinstated, meaning we don’t want Australia to be a multicultural country anymore, we don’t want it to be a multiracial country anymore. And we want to start reversing the demographic avalanche of White people and start going back the other way and making Australia more White. And with the ultimate goal of making it entirely White.

 

And obviously that is going to involve a combination of mass deportations and also re-migration strategies. So we’d be looking at changing a whole number of laws. Is that going to happen anytime soon? No, but what we can do is start moving things in the right direction by taking a little bit of state control. So our biggest priority is protecting our demographics.

 

And so if we can protect the demographics of this country then all the other sort of Weimar conditions are fixable. You know, demographics are well not permanent. But demographics are destiny obviously. And that’s really our priority as a party. That’s why it’s policy number one is just protecting White Australia, protecting our demographics. And not just protecting it, but advancing our demographics. So we’ve gone from 99% White to about 66% White or 67% White in a period of around 50 years. So what we want to look at doing over the next 50 years or less, ideally a lot less, ideally over the next 10 years. But I’m realistic, it might take a bit more than 10 years. We want to look at going back up towards 99% and beyond.

 

Policy number two is called “End Debt Slavery”. So we’re going to ban obviously in the same principle as the White Australia Policy, the first principle of End Debt Slavery is we’re going to ban interest on family home loans.

 

So we’re going to guarantee every single Australian family an interest free home loan. They’ll get money lent to them by the State bank. So we’re going to take back the state bank.

 

So we had a state bank in Australia called the Commonwealth Bank. It’s since been privatized in 1996 and it’s worth, I don’t know, something like $1.3 trillion. And we’re going to take back ownership of the state bank and we’re going to use the state bank, the Commonwealth bank, to lend money to young families that are married, that are White Australians and they’re going to get interest free loans to buy houses.

 

And that’s how we’re going to fix the housing crisis is we’re going to deport millions of non-Whites which is going to massively free up the market. And then White Australians that want to buy a home or White Australians that currently have a home, all the interest is going to be wiped off the principal. So any new loan will be no interest. And any current loan, not only will you not pay interest going forward, but also any interest you have paid is going to be refunded to you off your principal.

 

So a lot of people are going to have their homes basically instantly paid off because most people have already paid more than their homes worth in interest. If they’re like Gen-X’s for example, if they’re more in the older sort of family bracket, they’ve got teenage kids and stuff, a lot of these people have already paid off their homes in interest alone. So that’s policy number two.

 

Policy number three is we’re going to do something called a “New Magna Carta”, or a Bill of Rights. We’re going to create an Australian Bill of Rights. Australia doesn’t have a Bill of Rights. So policy three is we’re going to introduce a series of rights and duties, a series of freedoms that we think are fundamental to being Australian and members of Western civilization, members of the White race. And we’re going to introduce these things in order to curtail the ever increasing Police State we live in and the powers of the tyranny of the government. So we want to reduce government power and increase citizen power.

 

So that’s things like a First Amendment. So like free speech, we don’t have that in our constitution. We have an implied right and that’s not good enough, because it’s being twisted and turned. We need to have a really explicit principle so that we get rid of all this hate speech legislation and all this religious vilification legislation. We want to get rid of all of that and give Australians the right to freedom of speech. And the right to criticize the government, even criticize us as much as we’re, you know, authoritarians, we’ll cop fair criticizm, obviously.

 

Other principles include, we want to do like a maximum 10% income tax. We want to include gun rights, but we’re going to be very tactful for how we include gun rights. So I want to do the Swiss model personally. I’m flexible and I’m open minded to how we could implement a Second Amendment in Australia.

 

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Bu I want to do it in the Swiss model. Meaning you would do a national service at a high school. You would get issued a firearm during your national service and then you would retain that military style semi-automatic rifle or fully automatic rifle, but you would maintain that rifle as you would never be a civilian again. You would do your national service and that would make you a citizen. Kind of Starship Troopers kind of Fascism 101.

 

But it’s also just Athenian. It’s an Athenian model. It’s actually the foundation of democracy in some ways, the citizen soldier.

 

So that’s how we would look at implementing it. It wouldn’t be a strict Second Amendment the way you guys have it in Australia [America], because we need a lot of cultural change. We need, I think a few generations or at least one generation to breathe. To fix a lot of these issues. We don’t want to just have like guns galore just overnight without those kind of cultural changes.

 

And then policy four is re-industrialization. So that’s pretty simple. It’s really about taking back our infrastructure. Australia being an economic powerhouse again. Not just getting stripped of all its natural resources and being sent off to the developing world. We want to build all of our stuff here again. We want to build cars here again. We want to build ships here again. We’re an island. We should have a massive shipping capacity. We’re so reliant on trade. We should be a naval superpower. We should be we’re already a resource superpower. We have all the raw materials to do it. We need to re-industrialize.

 

We need to invest, take control of the RBA, the Reserve Bank of Australia, take control of the Commonwealth bank and do some serious, serious economy building in a completely different direction using high tech manufacturing and reclaim our economic autarky, or at least a large percentage of it.

 

So those are the four policies that’s what we’re putting forward.

 

Obviously there’s a lot of things mixed in amongst that you know, people talk about education Reform and you know, getting rid of multiculturalism will do a lot of what we want for education reform.

 

Henrik Palgren: Right.

 

Thomas Sewell: There’s a lot to take in. No, obviously everyone needs to visualize that.

 

So the website, we’re going to have nice little graphics made up and there’ll be a little write up of each policy. And when you check the website out at some point, either late, probably not late January, probably February, but the policies will be announced soon. And I assume the website will be very neat and tidy by February with the policies.

 

Henrik Palgren: Very good. Nice. Holden, was that the car the Australia used to produce?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, [chuckling] right. Yeah, we made Fords as well. Fords and Holden, Yeah.

 

Henrik Palgren: Like a version of Ford Australia, right?

 

Thomas Sewell: Kind of yeah. And Holden’s just General Motors.

 

Henrik Palgren: Oh, okay, I see. Did you have any like native cars that you actually like?

 

Thomas Sewell: Holden is the native brand that was eventually owned by General Motors.

 

Henrik Palgren: We’re gonna have an Aryan future Tom. They’re gonna be flying cars. Okay!

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, there’s gonna be all. Look, I’m not gonna go too much into policy four because it’s a bottomless pit of what we can do.

 

Henrik Palgren: Powered by vril!

 

Thomas Sewell: We’re gonna do the craziest shit! We’re gonna do stuff no one’s ever seen before. We’re gonna terraform Australia. We’re gonna actually terraform it.

 

Henrik Palgren: There you go.

 

Thomas Sewell: We’re gonna do crazy shit! We’re gonna do inland lake, high speed rail, flying cars, …

 

Henrik Palgren: That’s the spirit! That’s the spirit right there!

 

Thomas Sewell: It’s gonna be vriltastic!

 

Henrik Palgren: Vriltastic. I just want to play this.

 

Thomas Sewell: We’re gonna give Australia a sense of purpose again. It’s not just about race and it’s not removing the slavery.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: White Australians without debt or without interest still have a demoralized attitude. What we’re trying to do is raise that spirit. It’s about a spiritual revival.

 

And I think part of that, because I’m not too big at talking about economics, although I’ve studied it a fair bit in my own time, but where economics is important is that most people, 99% of men need to go to work Monday to Friday. They need to. It’s a big part of their identity. It’s a big part of their purpose. And where most White men are lacking in purpose is not just from a racial perspective and not just from a demoralization in terms of the culture and the media and the movies they’re watching and the music they’re listening to. And the way that they’re being completely subverted at an economic level. It’s also when they go to work, what are they doing? Like, I worked in the construction industry for about five years, almost six years. And you go to work and you’re building what we call Jeet boxes. A Jeet box is these fucking shitty little townhouses with like all these different multi-roofs on them. They’re just the dumb. This is the dumbest fucking architecture style you ever see in your life! It’s the most ineffective, inefficient way to build a house you could possibly imagine. And it’s a dog box with no room on it, no backyard. The roofs are all touching each other, so they’re a separate dwelling, but not really. And it’s just so demoralizing just putting a roof on something like that. It just feels disgusting!

 

And then one day a month, you get a contract, or a cashy or something, and it’s some guy on a farm and he’s got 200 acres and he needs a new roof on his shed. And you go out, you drive an extra hour and a half to go to this guy’s farm. And you put the roof on the shed and you have a beer with the boys afterwards. And you just look at each other and you just say:

 

“What if every day was like this? What if every day was like this? Like, how good did today feel?”

 

Like the weather could have been awful! It doesn’t matter. And it just feels so good to just be on some land and just to build something and then and you can have a relationship with the guy you’re building it for. Like the farmer comes out of his house, he’s like:

 

“How you going boys? You know, you wanna iced coffee or something? I’ll get the Mrs to make you one.”

 

And like you, after work you can sit back and you can chat a bit and then you get in the car and you drive home.

 

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But when you’re in these jeet boxes, like the dust and the muck and Indians are coming out of their house next to you and oh, it’s just so demoralizing. It’s just, why am I doing this? Why am I building this disgusting, ugly, grotty filth for these people to just replace me? So we want to bring back the Australian dream. Not just in the:

 

“Oh, I’ve got a nice house and I’ve got a nice backyard and I’ve got a golden retriever and a white picket fence.”

 

It’s not just about getting it back in that sense. It’s, well, what are you doing to get it? So we want to completely revolutionize the economy in a way that people actually feel a sense of pride, going to work again. Which I think Australians and Americans and Europeans, they probably had that 50 years ago.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, I think you’re right. Absolutely! Yeah. I wanted to play this clip here and I’m going to take some of the comments and questions from the audience watching here. But Robert Menzies, he was the 12th Prime Minister of Australia. He served from 1939-41 and then his second term from 46. Was that all the way to his retirement in 1966? Did he serve that long? Do you remember? Was that long? Or it must have been interrupted.

 

Anyway, it doesn’t matter. I want to play a clip with him. That’s the point on the White Australia Policy. Right. So listen to this here. I’m sure you’ve seen the clip, but let’s play it for the audience here.

 

Stewart Lamb: Do you believe that the White, the so-called “White Australia” policy will always be a stumbling block?

 

Sir Robert Menzies: I don’t think it’s such a stumbling block as people pretend, but that it’s important for us, I haven’t the slightest doubt!

Stewart Lamb: That we should maintain it the way it is?

Sir Robert Menzies: As long as we possibly can we ought to aim at having a homogeneous population!

I don’t want to see reproduced in Australia the kind of problem they have in South Africa, or in America, or increasingly in Great Britain. I think it’s been a very good policy and it’s been of great value to us.

And most of the criticizm of it that I’ve ever heard doesn’t come from these oriental countries. It comes from (((wandering Australians))).

Stewart Lamb: For these views of course, in the past, Sir Robert, you have been described as a racist.

Sir Robert Menzies: Have I?

Stewart Lamb: I have read this, yes.

Sir Robert Menzies: Well, if I were not described as a racist, I’d be the only public man who hasn’t been! That’s one of these jargons, isn’t it? One of these modern words, you call a man a “racist”.

 

[END]

 

All right, what do you make of that? That’s how it used to be. Right? So this was like an idea. This is what I’m saying. What you’re proposing here is not some new radical thing. This is just basically going back to what the intention of the country was to begin with and the people running it.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes. I really. A little bit of a red herring, but I really like the way he describes jews as “wandering Australians”.

 

Henrik Palgren: I figured that’s what it was! [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. That was a dog whistle back in the day. Yeah. You know:

 

“We don’t get this kind of criticizm from the Orientals. We get this kind of criticizm from the wandering Australians.”

 

Henrik Palgren: Exactly!

 

Thomas Sewell: Same thing as Nixon, because this is around the same time as Nixon. This is where you’ve got the conservative Right in power and back in the 60s, and they’re starting to realize that the jewish problem is what’s trying to destroy the nation. And it’s very clear from day dot that the jewish community here in Australia and obviously in America and Britain have been working fervently hard to dismantle the homogeneous White population and turn it into Babylon, so that they can hide in the mess that they make and they can hide their crimes. And yeah, as you said, that is how Australia was.

 

Another thing that’s interesting is how much the accent has changed. I obviously don’t have a pure Australian accent. I’m referred to a lot as a South African, but I’m actually not a South African. I have extended family in South Africa, but my accent is because my parents are both English.

 

So you can actually tell from these old politicians. Australians actually spoke with more of an English accent. They were more connected to the mother country in that sense. And the accent has definitely degraded, I think. And it’s more, it’s too ocka now. It’s become more and more uncouth. I know that I can’t really talk much. Also there was an increase of, there was just so much English immigration into Australia. So that would have maintained the properness of the English accent.

 

[1:40:08]

 

But yeah, what can you say about that? What I see as a statesman, we used to have statesmen in charge of the country. If I was living in 1966, would I have agreed with Menzies? Probably not. There probably would have been someone more racist than Menzies. I probably would have been like:

 

“Menzies a cuck!”

 

Or whatever [chuckling] the 1966 version of that was. Like:

 

“Menzies is too soft on the (((wandering Australian))). We need a, we need a more strict approach to the wandering Australian question!”

 

But yeah, it’s definitely obvious that Canada, Australia, even America to a large degree. There’s a lot of infrastructure, sort of rhetorical infrastructure in the founding of our nations. And you can find it.

 

I mean, I did a speech, a 45 minute speech on the weekend and I mentioned in the speech I had a legal friend who’s looked through the Constitution very thoroughly. The founding father of Australia or the first prime minister of Australia, Edmund Barton. Someone was arguing with him while they were drafting the Constitution in 1898. So it came out in 1901, but they spent about three years drafting it. And in 1898 he had an argument with another politician and they were asking about:

 

“Why have you put this race, this specific race power law in?”

 

And the first Prime Minister of Australia said:

 

“Basically we need a race power law because we need to be able to mass deport non-Whites when we don’t want them.”

 

And he didn’t even use the term “non-Whites”. He basically said:

 

“Inferior people and races, inferior and colored races. We should be able to deport them as a whole, when we don’t need them.”

 

So like if we need them to pick sugarcane, for example, like the way that you had blacks picking cotton, we had Pacific Islanders picking sugarcane in Queensland. The idea was before Federation we had, I can’t remember what they call them. “Coolies” [refers to Chinese workers], I think, or Kanakas*, I think they had a slur for them.

 

[* Plantation owners in Queensland had experienced difficulty in hiring laborers for their plantations, especially for the pay rates that were being offered. It was said that this situation was hindering the economic viability of those rural businesses. Many pastoralists had used convicts as laborers, but when the transportation of convicts to New South Wales ended in 1840, this meant that the plantation owners lost a major source of cheap labor. The lack of cheap labor for cotton and sugar plantations in Queensland led to the advent of Kanaka immigration. Kanakas (as laborers from the Pacific Islands were called) were imported in large numbers to work in Australia (especially in Queensland, but also in northern New South Wales). The term “Kanaka” means “man” or “person” in the Hawaiian language. Souce: Https:// www. Australianculture.org/the-white-Australia-policy-kanakas /]

 

But they had these Pacific islanders come in and pick sugarcane and they wanted to make sure there was legislation that if they brought in a thousand of them, they picked the sugar cane and then they could force them on a boat to go home when it was done, so that they could keep Australia White. And he won the argument and they put it in the Constitution. So in the Australian constitution, there’s a race power law where we can just mass deport people on the basis of their race.

 

Henrik Palgren: All right!

 

Thomas Sewell: That’s the kind of country. Yeah. So we’re doing well here. We’re doing well here.

 

Henrik Palgren: Nice.

 

Thomas Sewell: So I’m very excited. I’m very excited. We’re breath of fresh air for the political system. The Australian people are begging! They’re begging for a real Right-wing party. And we’re getting a lot of support. And we have a lot of people come down to our seminars, our political meetings, and say:

 

“Hey, look, I’ve been a Liberal Party member my whole life. I’ve gone to Liberal Party meetings my whole life and I’ve never seen anything like this. I’m so glad to see proud, patriotic Australians!”

 

And the feedback has just been amazing! The feedback, especially the older generation, like all the Boomers coming down, just saying thank, like basically just:

 

“Thank you, finally we’re seeing men that are just red blooded!”

 

And I’ve haven’t been to a Liberal Party meeting in a really long time. But I’ve had friends go and some of our members get paid to go to Liberal Party meetings [chuckling] because they got to fill seats. And the young guys that don’t have jobs, they’re like:

 

“All right, I’ll take the 100 bucks.”

 

And it’s that embarrassing, the Liberal Party at the moment. But they just report back and they just say:

 

“It’s just old people that are dying, that are just like falling asleep. And the people speaking are just homosexuals!”

 

It’s just homosexuals and girl bosses and that’s it. And they just useless rhetoric. And it’s just uninspiring. It’s just boring. And it’s just a freight train just running out of steam basically.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yep.

 

Thomas Sewell: And that’s the system. It’s just a freight train running out of steam. They’ve got the momentum of decades and decades of organizing behind them.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yep.

 

Thomas Sewell: And I mean, the parties are shrinking. The political parties here in Australia have never been so small. I think the Liberal Party has gone from like 60,000 members a decade ago to like, I think they’re barely getting 20,000 now. And I mean, just in the last election cycle, I think they’ve gone from 30,000 to 20,000 just in one election cycle.

 

Henrik Palgren: It’s fascinating! So, like, everyone’s checking out, but like the bureaucracy, the paperwork, the same. The scum that have the motivation, I guess, just to kind of get into that dirty world and keep it going. That’s what just is causing it to move on for now.

 

Thomas Sewell: We haven’t even put policies on our website yet and we’re already tracking to be the sixth biggest party in Australia out of the like 100 parties that are in Australia.

 

Henrik Palgren: That’d be hilarious!

 

[1:45:04]

 

Thomas Sewell: So the hype is real. The hype is real! Like a lot of people are hyping it online. And I don’t want people thinking like:

 

“Oh, we’re gonna have Prime Minister Thomas Sewell!”

 

That’s not likely. I want to make it clear that’s not likely at all! The chance of that is probably 1%. It’d have to be really happening for something like that to happen. It’d be like Ron Paul would have a meltdown. It’d be that kind of happening.

 

Henrik Palgren: And as we know, nothing ever happens.

 

Thomas Sewell: Until it happens. Nothing ever happens until it happens. And then one day it happens!

 

Henrik Palgren: Let me ask you this, Tom, though, because obviously you will be, as you know, and I’m sure you’ve thought about this too, you will be dealt with or treated on a totally different level. I mean, you would potentially see for the democratic system to defend itself, it would basically unravel the very definitions and guardrails that makes it being able to term itself as a democracy. I would reckon. What do you expect the pushback will be? And the way they will just say:

 

“No, you can’t do that!”

 

Right?

 

Thomas Sewell: Just empty words. Just empty words. I think there’s probably less than a 10% chance they’ll be able to block us. I’m very confident it’s all going to go ahead. The black pillers need to be gassed! All the black pillers, just gas them!

 

Henrik Palgren: Oh, no! And I’m not. When I bring, …

 

Thomas Sewell: I’m not saying you’re black pilling.

 

Henrik Palgren: Sure. Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: What I’m saying is there’s people online, I see comments every now and then where it’s like:

 

“They’re just gonna shut them down and make it illegal! And they’re all gonna go to jail!”

 

And it’s like, shut up! You’re either a jew or you’ve got your dick taped between your legs. Like, it’s just the most disgusting, demoralized, weak kind of energy. It’s so anti-Australian. Australians, we’re on a frontier we’re the frontier of the world and we’re surrounded on all sides by non-Whites. We’ve got a very harsh landscape, you know, we’ve allegedly got all these animals that try to kill us and to be like. And to be like:

 

“Oh, the government’s gonna shut us down, we can’t do anything!”

 

Is just the most weak cunt energy, like just fuck off! Go live somewhere else. This land is not built for weak cunts! This is hard cunt territory here and we don’t tolerate that shit! And those people, a lot of the time I think that they’re just jews. I think a lot of the time it’s just jews trying to sow fear in people that support us. The chances of the government blocking us is very low because they don’t have the framework to do it. They would have to nuke the whole system to do it. And are they prepared to do that? I don’t think they got the balls. I mean, you’ve got some rogue, really rogue politicians like Christopher Minns, who’s the New South Wales premier, saying that:

 

“He’s going to block the party and we’re not going to let this party come to power. And we’re going to dox all the members!”

 

And the AEC came out and made a statement saying:

 

“You can’t do that.”

 

And you’ve got like all these other Senators and all these other political leaders coming out and saying:

 

“Well, actually, we can’t do that. We have to let them. If they follow the rules, we have to let them.”

 

So it’s just basically kevtching like a bunch of losers. And it’s good. The more they kevtch, the better because it shows that they’re afraid and it doesn’t pass the pub test. And the average Aussie sees that on the news and goes:

 

“What? You want to ban this party? Why?”

 

And then they go on the website and they’re like:

 

“Oh, cool, I get all the interest paid off my mortgage and there’s less Indians. Fuck, that actually sounds all right!”

 

What we’re doing is really controversial from the concept that the country’s being destroyed by people that hate it! But it’s not controversial to the average Aussie, it really passes the pub test. And the idea that they want to ban it. The way the Australian psyche works is very clear. If the government wants to ban something, the average Aussie has this rebellious nature where they go:

 

“Why? Why does the government want to ban that?”

 

And they’ll look into it.

 

Henrik Palgren: Well, and that was my point, right? Bring it up. It’s a win-win regardless, right? It will expose the system or you actually have a foot in through the door. And either way it’s a plus.

 

Thomas Sewell: We’re inevitable no matter what our strategy is. And we’ve got insurance policies, we’re not putting all our eggs in this one basket. But we see it as part of a matrix of power. And you can’t just build a political party. You have to build everything. It’s all about the back end. A political party is just, it’s not a front, but a political party it’s just the presence of power.

 

[1:49:50]

 

 

The real power of the Labor Party, for example, is not the Labor Party. It’s all the trade unions they control and all the non-White community groups that have all as a bloc joined the Labor Party, as a mosque, as a church, as a Chinese community center, as a, whatever it is.

 

Again, going back to the Liberal Party, whenever there is an influx of members in the Liberal Party because they just, every year they’re getting less and less and less members. But one branch might have an extra 200 members this year compared to last year. And how did that happen? How did that happen? How have they got 200 extra members? Well, we might have a friend, or a colleague or an associate that is, on paper, a member of that branch so that they can keep an eye on it. And they’ll tell us, they’ll report back to me and they’ll say:

 

“Oh, yep, some rich Chinese businessman just joined the party. He made a deal with the people that run that branch and he just got 200 of his laborers to sign up at the party.”

 

So he just signs up all the people that work for him and says:

 

“You have to do this. You work for me. You have to do this.”

 

Because they’re Chinese, they’ll just be like:

 

“Yes, sir.”

 

And they do it.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah. Yep, Correct.

 

Thomas Sewell: And that’s the only way the Liberal Party or the Labor Party are getting these massive influxes. It’s just like rich Chinese or rich Indian businessmen or community leaders. The Chinese operate primarily through business, so they don’t have community leaders the way the Indians and the Muslims do, or the jews do. Well, the jews have both, obviously. They have business leaders and they have community leaders. But the Chinese, because they don’t have a religion and because they can’t organize as the, CCP, they organize as a front for the CCP, which is through CCP business here in Australia.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yep. Correct.

 

Thomas Sewell: And they bring in all their workers, they get their workers PR [Permanent Residency], then they get their workers citizenship, and then they start becoming a voting bloc.

 

Henrik Palgren: All right.

 

Thomas Sewell: The hype is real! The Whites are leaving the major parties in droves, and the major parties are only retaining their numbers through the influx of browns.

 

And that’s why multiculturalism is their death rattle. That’s why they won’t ever give it up, because it’s the only way they can maintain their party.

 

So we’re forcing the dialectic. We’re heightening the contradictions. Everything that we’re doing is tactical. Everything we’re doing is strategic. And people for years have been saying:

 

“Oh, they’re wignats, they’re dumb, they don’t know what they’re doing. You got to join the Republican Party and you’ve got to subvert it from the inside.”

 

It’s like, these people are not creative thinkers and they’re not high IQ and they’re not morally courageous. The way you change the demographic destiny of the country is you have to schism the forces. And you have to put your flag up high. You have to raise the banner high! That’s the song. That’s the song! We’ve got the song, the Banner High!

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: You know, you got to raise the flag high and you got to say:

 

“Hello! Hello! We’re the Whites! We’re doing the White people thing!”

 

Henrik Palgren: It’s time.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. In America, that’s really hard! But it’s hard becauseyou guys haven’t laid the framework over the last 50 years, and we haven’t either. In Australia, we’re only picking this up. Well, there has been some that have tried, and obviously in America, people have tried, but we have built the meta-political energy that can be converted, or a portion of it can be converted into contesting a system that’s not a duopoly. You know, we’ve got that European style politics, but it wasn’t always like that. 20, 30 years ago we had the American style politics. The Greens were like 1% of the vote and that was like the third biggest party. Like you had the Australian Christians and you had like the Nationals, but the Nationals formed a coalition with the Liberals and then they became known as the Coalition.

 

And so you had like 95 plus percent of the vote in two parties. Now it’s like 70 or less. So it’s moving more and more into that European style and you have to just do the framework. So you just have to do the groundwork, you have to do the legwork.

 

Henrik Palgren: What I like about it is that it’s a different approach to it. Right. And you’re seeing that elsewhere too, that with numbers comes power and you build something else first as opposed to doing like, here’s a new political, well, who’s going to join a new political party, kind of thing. Right?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, what caliber of people as well.

 

Henrik Palgren: Well, yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: How do you put a hierarchy?

 

Henrik Palgren: Exactly!

 

Thomas Sewell: Because there’s so much to do. I mean, yeah, we have a lot of people joining the party now that want to tell us what to do and they don’t want to be part of the organization.

 

So now we’re in a situation where we’re dealing with, well, how are we going to constitutionally frame the party and the organization together? Because there are a lot of people that are looking at the party and going:

 

“Holy shit! This could work!”

 

This not necessarily work in terms of take over the country, but this could become the third biggest party in the country quite quickly, or at least the fourth biggest party in the country quite quickly. This could be the Right-wing’s alternative to the Greens. And we could see One Nation form a coalition with the Liberal Party. But what we’re seeing is so much fracturing on the Right. We’re seeing a real contender on the Right coming out from the hardest possible position and they’re going:

 

“I’m going to get in this early.”

 

But they don’t want to be involved with the community. They don’t want to do the activism, they don’t want to do the push ups in the park, but they might have a good understanding of policy.

 

[1:55:14]

 

 

And so what we’re dealing with at the moment is having that conversation with these people and say:

 

“Hey, look, we’ll take your feedback. You can help advise us.”

 

I mean, depending on their skills, depending on what they are. But if you want to be a decision maker in the party, you have to join the order. And that’s rattling their minds a little bit because they’re used to:

 

“Oh, I joined the Liberal Party and I became the branch leader of the Liberal Party because I won a popularity contest.”

 

Or they join One Nation and same thing:

 

“Oh, I’ve joined this political party and I did this and I joined that political party. I did this.”

 

And then they’re joining our political party and then it doesn’t work like that.

 

And so that’s where we’re trying to balance democracy, which is an innate instinct of the public. They want to have a voice. They want to be involved and engaged in the process. But yeah, but at the same time, we’re a hierarchy. We’re building an order of men that are committed to fixing the country. And you have to be part of that order of men if you want to be within the leadership of the political party, or if you want to run as a candidate, for example.

 

Henrik Palgren: Very good.

 

All right, let me take some of these questions and comments here. Albert, first out the gates. Thank you so much, Albert. Huge dono. He says:

 

“Hi, Henrik. Looking forward to tonight show. Thomas Sewell is always one of my favorite guests. Especially looking forward to hearing his take on the Bondi beach shooting. Great show yesterday too. Take care.”

 

Thank you so much, Albert. We appreciate you so much. Thank you for your incredible support. Derek Rance, good to see you as well. Derek says:

 

“Thanks in advance for the show. It sounds like they are preparing Canada for the next extreme event to tighten the laws here.”

 

I’m sure they are. Good to see you, Derek, as always. Dercherso says:

 

“Good episode, good guest and good takes.”

 

Thank you, dear. Shabir, Gustav says:

 

“Hi Henrik. Finally able to catch the show live for change. Very impressive by Sewell.”

 

Yeah, we all are. Very good:

 

“Keep fighting the good fight, both of you.”

 

Thank you. Archie:

 

“Fascinating information. I missed the beginning. White power!”

 

Well, there you go. Thank you, Archie. Appreciate it. We got Alcion as well. Good to see you. Says:

 

“Happy to see Tom again. My question, Tom, so many of us around the world respect you tremendously and are taking notes from your group’s success. Do you think world jewery is hitting you especially hard because they understand your significance not just nationally, but globally?”

 

And he ends with:

 

“Hail Volk. Hail Red Ice and hail White Australia!”

 

Comments?

 

Thomas Sewell: World jewry has already done 99% of what it can do to us. And so now it’s got one left, one thing left to do to us. And I’m not sure if it’s prepared to do that one last thing. So there’s nothing more that it can do. I don’t have a bank account. I go into the bank, I can’t set one up. Yeah, I’ve been locked in solitary confinement. I’ve been framed, I’ve been imprisoned. You know, I’ve had unjust treatment through the courts. What else?

 

I mean, I’ve lost all the jobs. I can only work for friends now. The only work I can get is from people that are connected to our community, which is why building community is so important. You can’t just run away and hide from doxing for the rest of your life:

 

“I just don’t want to get doxed! I just don’t want to get doxed!”

 

That’s not a solution to the problem. That’s not even a band aid. That’s not even a band aid! Conflict avoidance doesn’t solve the problem.

 

The only way to solve the problem is insular communities, whether that’s big or small. Ideally, the bigger, the better. The bigger it is actually the more protected it is.

 

But we need to have communities. If you only know people on the Internet, you don’t even know their name. You’ve never even met their wife, you don’t even know what they do for work. Because people so worried about getting doxed, like everything’s hush hush, everything’s secret, like that’s the psyop! Not doxing yourself!

 

I mean, what more can the jews do other than kill me or try to kill me? I don’t know. There’s nothing more that they can do. There’s simply nothing that they haven’t already tried and failed. That they cannot stop what is coming. They cannot stop our determination, our will from triumphing. So well, it’s just assassination. That’s all they’ve got left.

 

So, Valhalla, here I come! I don’t care! I’m gonna keep going.

 

Henrik Palgren: Well, yeah, I mean that’s the spirit you have to have, undoubtedly. And again it’s this is not gonna just go away. These sentiments, this mentality, the problems we’re faced with here and the reality of the situation is not just going to kind of morph into something else tomorrow on the Internet, because that’s a hip new topic to be into or something. I mean, this is not going away.

 

So, yeah, I’m with you. I think this is an inevitable trajectory for, again, I’m not saying the majority of White people, but a substantial enough portion of White people in order to make some real changes and clawing back control of our nations once again. I think it’s going to happen, you know, undoubtedly.

 

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Thomas Sewell: I think it’s intergenerational as well. I think that in Australia this is the first time we’ve probably had an intergenerational movement here in Australia, which shows you how far behind we are from Europe. What I’m talking about is we’ve got the first generation of 18 year olds coming through now whose dads are members of the organization or have been for a long time. You know, so that is kind of embarrassing that it took to the year 2025 to have that.

 

I mean, the Muslims don’t have that issue. Like any Muslim you meet on the street. I’m pretty sure their dads are Muslim. I’m pretty sure their granddads are Muslim. I’m pretty sure their great granddad’s a Muslim. I’m pretty sure they’ve been organizing politically as Muslims for their entire existence.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yep.

 

Thomas Sewell: So as White people, we need to have intergenerational White nationalism. That’s the only way we’re going to survive.

 

So we’re finally seeing that now here in Australia. And there’s a lot of power in that. We’ve got young guys that are being brought up in the community and the government fears it, like the government at the moment, the thing that they were talking about the most on the media about us in the lead up to Bondi, before the Bondi thing happened, other than imprisoning me and imprisoning Joel Davis, was the home-schooling network. They are petrified at our home-schooling network! And we don’t even have much of a home-schooling network. It’s just in its infancy. Literally, it’s in its infancy. We’ve mostly got toddlers because most of the men in the organization are young men and we’ve only just started having kids in the last five years. So, we don’t even really have a proper home-schooling network set up. We’re just going with it. We can’t even send our kids to kindergarten anyway because you have to be vaccinated in Australia to send your kid to kindergarten.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: It’s a matter of necessity. It’s not just a matter of choice. It’s like even if we wanted to send our kids to kindergarten hypothetically, we actually legally can’t. We’d have to forge documents because our children are not allowed to go to kindergarten.

 

Henrik Palgren: Insane! Yeah. Homeschooling is banned in Sweden. Germany too.

 

Thomas Sewell: Of course.

 

Henrik Palgren: So no option. Incredible! Mr. Marsh Wood says:

 

“Hey, Tom, just want to say thank you for all what you guys are doing. I had a great time at the Victoria seminar and hope to attend more.”

 

He says. Do you have any comments? This was a local, for White Australia, the organization. That’s where you had the Victoria seminar?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, we had it in Melbourne. So all the capital cities except for Sydney, New South Wales, had a seminar last weekend. So we’re syncing everything up and we released the policies for the first time on Saturday.

 

Henrik Palgren: Nice. Awesome! Based rat 1488 says:

 

“Hey, Tom, these conspiracy theories are opening the light to show that the jews are at fault for this attack either way, for funding the Australian government to spread multiculturalism in Australia. BR.”

 

Not sure if you have any comments on that.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, sure. Of course the jews are behind multiculturalism in Australia. Yes. But I don’t think anyone in the media are talking about that. Like we are talking about it in our circles. But that’s very insulated.

 

And also you have to think tactically about it. You know, you can bring up that point. You can certainly approach that point. It could be considered a good time to approach that point. But the primary thing I believe that the movement needs to focus on when there’s a terror attack by Muslims against predominantly jews at Bondi beach, the primary point we need to come at it is that we don’t want either of these people here, that we want a sovereign country and that multiculturalism and the government are at fault. And yeah, I’m an anti-semite. I’m one of the most outspoken anti-semites in the fucking world! And I’m saying:

 

“Hey, guys, tactically it would be smart if we pile pressure on the government at this point. Like not to give away the tactic. But you gotta join the dog pile.”

 

Everyone’s attacking the government and for the right reasons or sometimes the wrong reasons. But, it’s not just all about, hey, let’s dogpile the jews while they’re being fucking shot. It’s like, look, there’s a time and a place to dogpile the jews, but it’s probably tactically smarter to dogpile the government when the jews are getting shot.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yes. About working with the energy, right? It’s like:

 

“No, no, it’s not the Muslims fault!”

 

You know, I’ve seen that too.

 

And that’s the thing with the:

 

“Well, that’s a false flag. The Manchester bombing was this or that.”

 

Thomas Sewell: These people have never met a Muslim!

 

Henrik Palgren: Right.

 

Thomas Sewell: Anyone that’s met a Muslim. Look, I don’t know any Muslims. I’m living quite insular at the moment. But because I’m not allowed to go to a commercial gym. I get banned from every commercial gym I go to, but I don’t care! We’ve got our own gyms, but sometimes I like training at like proper fight gyms. But like some of the boys train at proper fight gyms and they’re saying to me that when it happened, all the Muslims at the fight gym are just like:

 

“Inshallah, brother, more dead jews. This is awesome!”

 

Just like openly in front of Aussies, in front of like multiculturalism. Like they don’t give a fuck l like the Muslims don’t give a fuck! All right. So they say:

 

“Oh this guy’s not a real Muslim!”

 

It’s like:

 

“Nah, you don’t understand where we’re at. It’s not 2000 fucking, … It’s not 1995 anymore. Like those days are fucking gone! It’s fucking race war! Everyone knows it.”

 

 

[2:05:46]

 

Henrik Palgren: That’s right. Ghost Dogman says:

 

“Thomas is a great field expert on the Great War on Whites. I hope to see more from him on Red Ice TV. Free Joel!”

 

That’s right, Ghost Dogman. Thank you. J.C. Henderson, 94 says simply:

 

“Heil Red Ice. Heil Sewell. Thanks for doing what you’re doing.”

 

Well, thank you. Brian. 7316 says:

 

“Hi, and it’s great to see Tom on Red Ice again. He’s an Aussie hero. Like the Sewell’s charge against Antifa. Smiley face.”

 

There you go. Exactly! Very nice. Protector podcast:

 

“Hey Tom, I’m 15 year old from Australia that has been getting really into nationalism and National Socialism. I can’t join the NSN. I’m pretty. I’m a pretty tall and fit guy, at what age can I join?”

 

He’s asking you.

 

Thomas Sewell: As a general rule, we don’t accept applicants under the age of 16. Just as a general rule. Yeah, so.

 

Henrik Palgren: So you have to wait one year. Might just have to wait a year.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. And even then between 16 and 18, we’re pretty discriminatory just because we don’t want to risk having someone join under the age of 18 that is a fucking, is an idiot! You know what I mean? We’ve had a lot of issues with people joining and not being honest to their parents.

 

And so we really only accept applicants under 18 now that have a good relationship with their parents. Because what we’ve got now is a whole state infrastructure set up where parents can now basically rat their children to the Stasi. And then it basically the parents can sign away their kid’s life to the government. So you know how like all that shit with like Britney Spears and how her dad like controlled her?

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, unfortunately I do remember that. Yeah, yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: Do you remember all that garbage? Yeah, it’s like it’s got a name to it. I can’t remember what the word is. But basically, if you’re under 18 and you join the Org and your parents are like full blown, like normgroid retards, they can basically call the government and be like:

 

“My son has joined NSN! He’s doing boxing at the park. Is he gonna be a terrorist?”

 

And then like a hysterical retard. And then basically the cops, then you’re just like chilling at home playing Minecraft or Roblox. And then the fucking feds rock up at your house and your parents let them in and then they come into your bedroom, they take your computer, they take your phone, they sit you down for like four hours and abuse you and tell you that you’re being brainwashed by maniacs:

 

“They’re gonna strap bombs to your chest and have you run at Muslims and have them blown up!”

 

And like just the most insane shit! Like some of these young lads that have had this, had to go through this, they’ve recorded the conversation. So I know what these piggies are saying to 16 year olds and how insane they are.

 

And I’ve listened to the most insane conversations where these piggies are saying like just the craziest shit to try to like brainwash these kids. They’re doing exactly what they’re accusing us of doing! They’re literally brainwashing these kids into believing the most insane shit, and then to make it even worse, your parents then sign off and you’ve got to do a de-radicalization course, which means you have a government friend now that comes and buys you KFC once a week and talks to you about your feelings for the next like year and a half. And you just don’t want to go through that! If you don’t have sick cunt parents, just fucking do your push ups, get a trade, finish high school, talk to your mates about this stuff. You know what I mean? And be careful how you talk to your mates about the stuff. Because a lot of guys that have reached out to the org, that aren’t in the org but have reached out and said:

 

“Hey, I’ve been forced to this DeRad thing, do I have to do it?”

 

And we say:

 

“Oh, what happened? Like, we’ve never heard of you. How are you on a DeRad thing?”

 

And they’ve said:

 

“Oh, I was talking about the Holocaust in class. And some kid in my class told the teacher and the teacher called the government and now I’ve got a government friend.”

 

And it’s like:

 

“Fuck dude, like, you got to be careful!”

 

But [chuckling] like, the Zoomers aren’t careful. They say crazy shit at school and they don’t realize that the teachers are trained to inform on them, if they say anything remotely like nationalistic. So you got to be very careful if you’re a young guy.

 

But if your parents. Look, if your dad is willing to meet with myself or whoever the state leader is or whoever the region rep is, if your dad’s willing to meet with us, then yes, you can join at whatever age.

 

Henrik Palgren: Okay.

 

Thomas Sewell: But it’s basically like parental permission because, …

 

Henrik Palgren: Right.

 

Thomas Sewell: We just can’t be fucked dealing with the government.

 

Henrik Palgren: Like, sure.

 

Thomas Sewell: It’s a joke!

 

Henrik Palgren: Yep. All right.

 

[2:10:32]

 

Thomas Sewell: You can go to Drag Queen Story Hour, of course. Yeah, that’s fine. You can’t join the Nazi boxing club. We will strap a bomb to your chest, apparently, according to police, because that’s happened.

 

Henrik Palgren: I think that answered your second follow up, that Protector podcast too, in terms of what you can do to get involved more in that space.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, talk to your dad. Tell your dad why you want to join and go from there.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: And if your dad’s cool with it. What a lot of the dads say to us, because we do have a lot of people under the age of 18 involved and what a lot of the dads say to us is:

 

“I just don’t want them doing activism.”

 

And we say:

 

“That’s cool! Activism isn’t compulsory. It’s not compulsory. He can come and train, but, yeah, he’s not allowed to do activism.”

 

Henrik Palgren: Very good. Canadian Girl Rumble says:

 

“Much love and support from Canada. Hail Sewell and the NSN!”

 

Thank you, Canadian Girl Rumble. Aussie autist 88, says:

 

“Preferred meal, butter chicken or tikka masala?”

 

Thomas Sewell: Butter chicken. [chuckling]

 

Henrik Palgren: Butter chicken. There you go.

 

Thomas Sewell: They’re all going home. [chuckling] But we got the recipe!

 

Henrik Palgren: We got the recipe.

 

Thomas Sewell: Butter chicken is actually an ancient Aryan dish.

 

Henrik Palgren: Probably. Of course it is. Indo Aryan Oziotis again says:

 

“Our faggot ministers have zero vision. Zero vril. They are all so sterile and impotent. The vision of White Australia will go far!”

 

There you go. Thor’s Rune. Yeah, go ahead.

 

Thomas Sewell: Preach racist, preach!

 

Henrik Palgren: There you go.

 

Henrik Palgren: Thor’s Rune:

 

“Great discussion, great points laid out by Thomas. Standing strong for his nation and our people. Activism is no easy task in a politically hostile environment. Hail from SoCal!”

 

Southern California. Holy smokes. Get out of there if you can. Anyway, my condolences, but thank you, Thorstroom. Appreciate that. But the Bearded Indian says:

 

“Why do you think the Muslim retreated to the bridge instead of charging towards the crowds of targets?”

 

Well, he was on a vantage point. It was up high, obviously, so that was his best view, I would assume. What do you think?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, same reason.

 

Henrik Palgren: All right.

 

Thomas Sewell: They could cover each other from there.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, because his dad. Didn’t his dad have a shotgun? He was like the one who’s going to take care of there’s someone that’s approaching the son. The main shooter. That’s what he looked like to me anyway, But I’m not sure.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, and also the dad was fat and slow.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yep.

 

Thomas Sewell: So it’s just common sense. But anyway, what a silly question. Bearded Indian usually has good questions.

 

Henrik Palgren: Aussie autistic says:

 

“Hail Odin. Hail victory! Enjoy the solstice. Have a good Yuletide.”

 

Well, thank you. Exactly! That’s coming up here soon. The 21st.

 

Thomas Sewell: You’ve got midsummer this year.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, that’s right. You get Midsummer.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

 

Henrik Palgren: So do you celebrate it upside down, too? Is that how you do it?

 

Thomas Sewell: We do, yeah. We hang out from the, …

 

Henrik Palgren: The Hanged Man.

 

Thomas Sewell: We hang from the trees.

 

Henrik Palgren: Odin.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, The Upside Down.

 

Henrik Palgren: Nine nights. Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: I sacrificed myself to myself.

 

Henrik Palgren: One eye patch when Randall Flag says:

 

“Thomas, Australia’s elite are primarily composed of old mining clans. From what I hear, they are the biggest turncoats who sold off your mines to the CCP. How do you propose on retaking your resources?”

 

Interesting question.

 

Thomas Sewell: At bayonet point!

 

Henrik Palgren: What?

 

Thomas Sewell: At bayonet point.

 

Henrik Palgren: Oh, there we go. Okay, well that explains it.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. So many people ask me:

 

“How are you going to do this? How are you going to do that?”

 

We’re just going to do it.

 

Henrik Palgren: Interesting small things to hone in on. But I mean, it’s not small, I guess.

 

Thomas Sewell: But yeah, we’re just going to do it.

 

Henrik Palgren: If there’s a will, I guess. Okay, we got one.

 

Thomas Sewell: The how we’re gonna do it? Well, when we’re close to it.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, well, who knows?

 

Thomas Sewell: If you need to know, if you’re part of it, we’ll tell you, will be part of it.

 

Henrik Palgren: You will find out. How about that?

 

Thomas Sewell: There’s so many spectators. Imagine going down to the football match and you’re a spectator and you’re in the crowd. There’s like 10,000 people in the crowd and you’re just shouting at the coach:

 

“How are you gonna get that touchdown? How are you gonna do it?”

 

Henrik Palgren: It’s impossible!

 

Thomas Sewell: It’s like:

 

“Shut up!”

 

You want to join the team? I’ll teach you. Join the team and I’ll teach you how we’re going to do it.

 

Henrik Palgren: That’s right. That’s a good answer.

 

Thomas Sewell: Sitting on the sideline:

 

“How are you going to do this?”

 

All right, we get why democracy is really gay.

 

Henrik Palgren: Well, yeah, it’s, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Everyone wants a voice but no one wants to do the work. Everyone wants a voice, but no one wants to do it. The way it says, “rights without duties”, that’s the primary issue. So democracy that we’re going to build is “rights and duties”. You’ll get lots of rights, but you got to do the duties! You got to put your time in on the gun. They’re not inalienable:

 

“I’m born so therefore, hahaha, I get everything!”

 

It’s like:

 

“Yeah, that’s how Rome collapsed.”

 

Because that just creates a fat, weak, retarded society. Look what happened to the Romans. They were born with the privilege of being a Roman citizen. They didn’t have to work for it anymore. They have to fight for it! They didn’t have to do any duty. They forgot their own religion, everything. It just deteriorated them, because they forgot how to just put in the work for the race.

 

[2:15:35]

 

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, it’s so hard, right? You get success breeds complacency and comfort. And then out of that it’s so hard to motivate the younger people and the kids specifically, obviously, that grow up in that. Right. They have the abundance, the affluence. It’s extremely hard. Right?

 

Thomas Sewell: Someone asked me:

 

“How are we going to take back the Commonwealth Bank?”

 

Henrik Palgren: Is [chuckling] that the priority?

 

Thomas Sewell: No, but we’re going to do it. We are going to do it. That’s part of policy too. It’s like we’re just going to take ownership of it:

 

“What do you mean, but how are you going to do it?”

 

We’re just going to do it.

 

Henrik Palgren: Trust the plan. All right, how about that?

 

Thomas Sewell: What do you want? You want me to write like a 300 page essay on, like, how we’re going to manage all the branches?

 

Henrik Palgren: Needed in writing Tom. Right now!

 

Thomas Sewell: How did they sell it? Did the guy that sold it off, did he write a 300 page? He probably did. Knowing democracy.

 

Henrik Palgren: Legalese wise. Yes.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, they just sold it to their mates. They just got rid of it. They just sold it to their mates. They just had friends. And now it’s 1.3 trillion in the private sector and it was a state asset. They just gave it to their mates.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yep. Of course!

 

Thomas Sewell: We’re just going to take it back!

 

Henrik Palgren: When do they do that by the way?

 

Thomas Sewell: 1996.

 

Henrik Palgren: 96, okay, interesting.

 

Thomas Sewell: They just gave it to their mates. That’s what they did. They gave it to their mates. They gave it to their jewish mates.

 

Henrik Palgren: Of course. Okay, we got one more here. Alufaltruda, if I say that correctly:

 

“What would you say to men who want to participate in the inner activism part of White Australia but aren’t yet physically fit? Would you allow fat guys or twigs to join the park training?”

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, we have fat guys and skinny guys at training. Yeah, we do. Like the fitness testing is not:

 

“Hey, you can’t hang out with us, associate with us or train with us if you don’t pass this testing.”

 

That’s not how the testing works. The testing works is we’ve got a hierarchy where you don’t become an official member. There’s like a process where you go through like an initiation phase, like the bikies would call it, like a prospecting phase, like at work it might be called a trainee phase. You go through your apprenticeship, you go through like a trainee phase where you do six months and then you get promoted and you do another six months and you get promoted. But at those promotions you have to meet certain fitness standards.

 

So there’s some guys that have been in the org three years and they haven’t been promoted because they have never worked on their fitness. They just come once a month, they hang out, they stand at the barbecue, they have a cigarette and you know what I mean, it’s like they’re a minority. They’re in the minority. There’s only a couple guys that do that it’s not a good culture if there was a whole bunch doing it. But when it’s just a couple guys coming down, they can keep an eye on things. They can do a bit of security, they can check license plates, they can help with the vetting. You know, they can be part of other operations that not everyone has to train.

 

But again, it is what it is. Different horses. We got Sausage Turners we got security guards, we got all sorts of people.

 

Henrik Palgren: All right, the Bearded Indian has a second go here. I guess he must do a better question.

 

Thomas Sewell: Let’s go round two.

 

Henrik Palgren: NSN must publicize the shit out of this. Every politician who promoted diversity is responsible for the mass murder. Job for the clippers to tether those politicians face together.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, absolutely! Yeah. Now the online warfare is really important. And I mean the politicians, their reaction, I mean Burke, Marles and Albo, they are shaking! They are shaking in their boots. You can hear it in their voice. They got gay lisps. I mean, it is embarrassing!

 

I mean, there’s one video. You got to play it quickly. You got to play it quickly. I’ll find it, I’ll send it. I’ll DM it to you.

 

Henrik Palgren: Okay.

 

Thomas Sewell: You’ve got to play this video. Oh, it is embarrassing!

 

Henrik Palgren: I’ll take the other one here.

 

Thomas Sewell: This is Australia’s Defense Minister.

 

Henrik Palgren: Find that there.

 

Thomas Sewell: I found it. I found it.

 

Henrik Palgren: Okay, yeah, send it to me. I’ll pull it up here.

 

Thomas Sewell: Check your DMs. You got to play this video.

 

Henrik Palgren: Oh, it’s through. Okay, let me save that down real quick there then. We’ll get that one.

 

Of course I got some, the Rumble channel up in the meantime here as well. Well, I download that for White Australia. You guys are obviously on the main website. There is WhiteAustralia.org or simply WhiteAus. I think you can go to as well, dot org to get to the website.

 

[2:19:54]

 

Thomas Sewell: They both redirect. There’s a whole bunch of things that redirect to White Australia.org.

 

Henrik Palgren: Okay, here we go. Let’s see if that downloaded here. I’m going to import that down properly. Doesn’t seem like it hopefully works. No file format. Oh, it’s still downloading. It’s slow as hell! Okay. Also in the meantime that. Well, I’m just waiting for that. Just be a couple of seconds. There’s a Telegram page obviously for White Australia as well. Then you have your personal one. Tom Sewell uncensored on Telegram. Any other social media links website where people can, …

 

Thomas Sewell: I got a Gab. Thomas underscore Sewell. But I just don’t use it. I need to, but I just keep forgetting. But Gab feels pretty dead lately. I don’t know. We’re banned from Twitter.

 

Next year I’m gonna try to get on Twitter and Instagram and just see how long I last. But we’re going to launch the policy parties first. I’ve got a list of priorities and then I’m going to just do like I’m going to spam videos and social media stuff and if I get a week, I’ll be really happy.

 

Henrik Palgren: Okay, here’s the clip. It’s down on Defense Minister Richard Marles. Here’s his comments. Check it out.

 

Sky News: Do you feel like there needs to be and should there be a greater emphasis on hate speech from Muslim clerics in the Western part of Sydney?

Richard Marles: I think. Look, I think as I said earlier, what we’ve done is criminalize more forms of hate speech, and we’ve criminalized the Nazi salute. Obviously that’s in its own context, but we need to be looking at all of this. And it is really important that we have., …

Sky News: So should there be a greater emphasis on this hate speech from Muslim clerics, then?

Richard Marles: I don’t want to. We will go through all of this. I emphasize that we have done more in terms of criminalising hate speech than we have seen from any other government. But we need to look at all of this and we need to make sure that we’ve got the right laws in place and that we are doing everything we can to keep safe that the vibrant multicultural society, …

 

Henrik Palgren: There it is! [chuckling] There it is! Oh, my gosh! All right.

 

Thomas Sewell: Please, please, Yahweh, send me your gayest, most retarded enemies. [chuckling]

 

Henrik Palgren: That is funny!

 

Thomas Sewell: That’s Defense Minister of Australia, a gay retard!

 

Henrik Palgren: He seems genuinely rattled!

 

Thomas Sewell: Tony Burke has got like this high pitched, I’ve never heard his voice go high pitch before. Tony Burke is like. He’s got like the fear complex at the moment when the media are asking questions. And he got booed. He came down to the memorial and the jews all booed him. And this is the guy that deported a neo-Nazi for the jews! And the jews are booing him.

 

Henrik Palgren: Doesn’t matter. Yep, exactly!

 

Thomas Sewell: You deports Nazis, but you didn’t deport the Muslims.

 

Henrik Palgren: Well, they do that right, though. And it sounds like:

 

“Yeah, you’ve been very good. You did this great. We’re very happy!”

 

No, at that point, you have the opportunity to push really hard to get just much more of what you want. And how do you want the politicians to act for you on behalf of you? They know how to do that. Okay, we got two more here, Tom, before we let you go here. Line Crosses said:

 

“The police must have had so many angles on those shooters. Shooters were exposed, evident by the many camera angles on them. Sloppy.”

 

I mean, I heard one rabbi there, they interviewed him was like:

 

“It must have been 20 minutes.”

 

Or something. And it’s like. I don’t think it was 20 minutes. It probably felt like 20 minutes for the people that were there. But five maybe, I don’t know, maybe 10, I don’t know.

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, it was almost 10. It was almost 10 minutes. Yeah.

 

Henrik Palgren: Which is a long time.

 

Thomas Sewell: Which is way too long. Like Bondi, the traffic’s bad, but there’s always cops at Bondi Beach. I’ve never not seen cops at Bondi Beach. I’ve always seen police at Bondi beach, usually in teams of two or teams of four.

 

So the fact that it took 10 minutes to get to the shooting, to resolve the shooting, and took probably I don’t know, five minutes to get there. There’s video footage of cops driving past the bridge. So they had an angle to shoot out the window up that bridge. There’s cops driving past and they didn’t stop. They just kept going. So, yeah, despicable!

 

But fat Chungus. Not the Chungus that arrested Joel, but another Chungus was the one that got the killer shot on the dad. Really small Chungus.

 

Henrik Palgren: Okay.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. There’s footage of the Chungus. There was a fat Chungus cop that got the shot off. So he wasn’t a beat cop. He was in a suit. So that just shows you know, there’s cops in dress shirts walking around, right?

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

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Thomas Sewell: How did he get there? How did he get there before the cops that were in uniform. He’s not wearing a bulletproof vest either.

 

So the cop that got the shot off was just a fat Chungus from the office that might have been just getting lunch. I don’t know the story yet. But another interesting thing that I forgot to mention was the media, because a whole bunch of lifeguards tried to assist in the process as well. And there was lifeguards that were there on the scene before the cops got there, as well as the Aussies that just like stomped the two guys on the ground on the bridge. But there was a guy trying to read out the names of the lifeguards that had helped save people’s lives. And helped try to deal with it. And the media wouldn’t let this guy read out the names of the lifeguards. Because the media here in Australia, all they’re saying on the news is just:

 

“Look at this brown guy that saved the day! Look at this jewish guy that saved the day. Look at all these heroes of multiculturalism!”

 

And it’s like, they won’t read out the names. And they’re like:

 

“His name was Al Hamid Muhammad!”

 

And then they just say it like 20 times.

 

So, yeah, you turn on the news and it’s like:

 

“And the hero was Al Hamid Muhammad!”

 

And it’s just, on repeat, on repeat, on repeat!

 

And it’s like, they wouldn’t let a guy read out the names of the lifeguards that tried to help because it’s like Ben Stewart, Thomas Stevens. You know what I mean?

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah, exactly! Right.

 

Thomas Sewell: All Aussie names.

 

Henrik Palgren: I mean, the solution, therefore, is:

 

“Let’s bring in a million more Muslims to protect us from the Muslims!”

 

Right? [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: We need migrants to stop us from migrants!

 

Henrik Palgren: Exactly! See, the good ones cancel out the bad ones, I guess, but they kill White Australians in the process, obviously. Yeah. People are asking chat here:

 

“What’s a chungus? Chubby, thick, large?”

 

Is that the definition?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. Chungus is like a big fat chungus. You know, like a Big Chungus. It was like, I’ll just Google it. Big chungus. They don’t know the Big Chungus.

 

Henrik Palgren: That’s like the, … Bugs Bunny! Exactly! Yeah, that’s the bunny. Exactly!

 

Thomas Sewell: If you don’t know the Big Chungus.

 

Henrik Palgren: Home of the Brave says:

 

“The most white pilling is listening to Tom Sewell. Absolutely no one wants to step up in America, so I guess I’m gonna have to do it!”

 

Well, that’s the spirit. That is not true, by the way. But that’s the spirit obviously. If you don’t think anyone does, then, yeah, you do it:

 

“Thanks for giving me hope and vectorizing the Vril.”

 

Hail home of the brave.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I get a lot of DMs from Americans and they all want to be Australia’s Thomas Sewell. Sorry, America’s Thomas Sewell. I get a lot of DMs. I get a lot of people unsolicited in the DMs on Telegram and they’re like:

 

“Check out my page, Tom. I’m the next Thomas Sewell!”

 

And then I check out the page and it’s got two subscribers. And I’m like:

 

“Dude, I’m not going to be your third subscriber. I’m sorry, you’re going to have to put your time on the gun. You have to build up a bit of a following yourself.”

 

They’re like:

 

“Tom, can you share my page? I’m America’s Thomas Sewell!”

 

No, you’re not. You’re unfortunately not. I’m sorry.

 

Henrik Palgren: Oh, we got another Thomas. Does a good job. Yep.

 

Thomas Sewell: There’s Hammer. There’s all sorts of guys. There’s lots of guys in America. There’s a lot of guys that are not necessarily like doxed, like not name fagging, as they say on the chins. There’s a lot of guys that just, they just put in the work. They just build the active club or they build their organization. You know, they just put their folk first and they do it without the glory. And yeah, also a little bit off topic. I was in jail, so no one told me. No one told me Chris Cantwell’s a faggot! What the fuck happened? What the fuck is going on?

 

Henrik Palgren: I don’t wanna, …

 

Thomas Sewell: He sent me a message like a week ago. He’s like:

 

“Hey, man, can you share this post for me?”

 

And I’m like, I didn’t say:

 

“Yeah, all right.”

 

But I was like, in my head:

 

“Yeah, all right.”

 

But I always read everything first before I share. Always. And I’m like scrolling through and it was like something about gay sex. And I was like:

 

“Hang on a minute. What the fuck!”

 

And then I read it again and I replied to him:

 

“Chris, what the fuck are you talking about?”

 

And then I sent it to the boys and they’re like:

 

“Yeah, bro, did you not know?”

 

I was like:

 

“No one told me. I was in prison. No one told me!”

 

And then I went through his page and he was like:

 

“When I was 14, I had sex with a man. He wasn’t attractive.”

 

It’s like:

 

“What the fuck Chris, you fucking weird cunt!”

 

Henrik Palgren: Imagine that!

 

Thomas Sewell: Holy shit! He fell off.

 

Henrik Palgren: Imagine that!

 

Thomas Sewell: He was a bit of an oddball, but fuck, he fell off.

 

Henrik Palgren: Some things kind of makes sense.

 

Thomas Sewell: Eric Striker likes biting my ankles. I hope he’s biting Chris Cantwell’s ankles. Hopefully he doesn’t get AIDS.

 

Henrik Palgren: Well, yeah, that’s, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Why are people having a go at me when there’s cunts like that! I should be, …

 

Henrik Palgren: I don’t think anyone’s giving him a pass, to be honest.

 

But yeah, I get your point.

 

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Thomas Sewell: No one’s giving him a pass, but how did that fucking slip through to the keeper? Someone must have known!

 

Henrik Palgren: Probably.

 

Thomas Sewell: You know, that’s one of our vetting questions. You know, that’s one of our vetting questions is that:

 

“If someone tells you in secret something like that, would you share it with other people? Or would you keep it a secret?”

 

That’s one of our vetting questions.

 

Henrik Palgren: When did you start being gay? That’s the vetting question. [chuckling]

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, exactly! [chuckling] I shouldn’t be giving away our vetting questions. Antifa’s probably got through stage one. They just probably don’t get stage two or stage three. But like, that’s in stage one. Like, are you a fag sympathizer? We don’t want you. That’s how we got this problem in the first place.

 

Henrik Palgren: I’m sure they answer honestly on that.

 

Thomas Sewell: Because in politics, there’s not many forces worse than gays. Like, there’s jews. Jews are worse! But like gays are fucked! They’re insidious. They’re absolutely insidious. They have to be just completely rooted out of every single organization. That’s how politics have been taken over. Like people that can be blackmailed. You know what I mean?

 

Henrik Palgren: Yep.

 

Thomas Sewell: And yeah, gays are all ashamed of themselves. That’s why they have to take drugs to do it. They’re freaks! They’re disgusting freaks! There’s no normal gays. There’s no such thing as a normal gay. They’re all freaks! Don’t associate with them. Anyone that associates with gays, I don’t associate with them.

 

Henrik Palgren: I agree.

 

Thomas Sewell: Even straight people. I just can’t tolerate anyone that’s like:

 

“Oh, I’ve got a gay friend.”

 

Like:

 

“Nuke! See you later. Don’t talk to me again. Do not contact. Lose this number.”

 

Henrik Palgren: We got Line Cross:

 

“Small fat chungus has the most testosterone in the force.”

 

Yeah, that’s interesting. Isn’t that interesting? Megawatts 80:

 

“Hi, Tom!”

 

Thomas Sewell: Hi.

 

Henrik Palgren: There you go. I was waiting for a hi back. Line Cross again:

 

“I can’t help but imagine the media crap storm if a member or two of the NSN was there and foiled that attack.”

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, they probably wouldn’t have done much except get shotgun to the face!

 

Henrik Palgren: Taking them out too.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. I mean, to be fair, that one guy did disarm the fat chungus that ran down. It didn’t even make sense. Anyway, I won’t go into.

 

Henrik Palgren: Rob Jasimer here says:

 

“We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children!”

 

Correct. Thank you, Rob.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. All right.

 

Henrik Palgren: I think we’re caught up there. Thank you, Tom, so much for joining us today. I appreciate it. Always pleasure talking to you. Keep up the good work, the excellent work, the fantastic work you’re doing down there. We’re all watching and very interested in the development, not only, of course, the political kind of faction of this, the arm, the wing of what you’re doing, obviously, but yeah, it’s always a pleasure having you on, man! And anything else, closing thoughts you want to run through here before we wrap up for today?

 

Thomas Sewell: We’re gonna win! Yeah, I don’t have a closing spiel. I think I’ve said a lot today and yeah, just gas all the black pillers! Just don’t associate with black pillers. The worst humans in this movement are the black pillers. Just don’t associate with them. They’re like a social disease in the movement. And we have made so much progress over the years because we just gas the black pillers! We just get rid of them. We just don’t associate with them.

 

Now, you can be a critic, and you can be a fair critic and you can be realistic.

 

Henrik Palgren: You want that part of it for sure. Shoot holes in everything. Right? But, …

 

Thomas Sewell: But you don’t want people that by their very nature they’re unhappy, they’re unlucky, they’re pessimistic. Don’t associate with these kinds of people because they will destroy your clique. They will destroy your movement, they will destroy your business, they will destroy your organization, they will destroy your family. Don’t associate with fundamentally unhappy, weak willed people! Just don’t associate with them. They’re just the chaff. You know what I mean? They’re just the chaff and they’re not going to make it. They’re just not going to make it.

 

And all the progress we have made as an organization has been this “triumph of the will”. You, when you get involved and you do five years or even less, like maybe within two or three years you might start to feel, you might feel the energy. Like you can feel the winds of change or the vibrations or whatever is. You can feel it and you can feel that progress coming from just these high vril, high energy like people, men and women, it’s male and female energy, in different ways. It’s obviously predominantly male energy in the movement. But that energy, that high virile energy, like there’s so many face doxed people, there’s so many people that aren’t face doxed, but they work really hard behind the scenes and they just love it! You’ve just got to love it! You’ve got to learn to love the struggle. You’ve got to learn to love this battle we’re in. And when you’re faced with adversity, you should always just see it as a challenge. You should always just see it as:

 

“Oh, that’s what they’re throwing at us now. Oh, that’s where my life’s at now!”

 

Just take a step back, breathe, calm down, get your bearings and get stuck back in. Get back to work! And yeah, that’s the success of my organization. I don’t tolerate it. We just get rid of you.

 

And that’s why we’re growing. There was a point where we got stuck at 20, 30 guys. And building a little active club with five guys is pretty easy. It’s really easy. Almost everyone can do it. Almost anyone that’s not a retard can do it. You can build four or five guys in an active club. When you get to 20 to 30 guys, it becomes very difficult. You really need to have some leadership qualities.

 

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But also you start to realize that not all 20 to 30 men are equal. And that you need to have a really good core. You need to have people that really have good energy and good commitment level and they’re there for the right reasons. They’re not just loser freaks that hate society and are looking for any kind of vagrant group to attach themselves to. You want to just stay clear of the loser freaks! You just don’t want losers! That doesn’t mean everyone has to be as corporate or like high paid or like big earner, tradesman, driving a nice car.

 

It’s not about status and it’s not about money. It’s about work ethic, it’s about integrity. Yeah, that’s way more important, that’s way more important than money. Don’t think that it’s about money. It’s got nothing to do with money. You’ll find that there’s lots of people with money that have really bad work ethic. They just know the right people, they went to the right school, their dad’s friends are wealthy, blah blah, blah. And that’s why they drive a $200,000 car.

 

Whereas there’s men driving around five thousand dollar cars and they got a great work ethic. They’re hustlers and not in a gay cringe, corporate capitalist mindset, in terms of a political mindset. They get home, they’re video editing, they’re doing shit, they’re on Twitter, they’re Twitter maxing, they’re in the gym, they’re fighting.

 

Okay, so what? They drive a $5,000 a car, who cares? You know what I mean? Like they got a good work ethic.

 

So yeah, you want to surround yourself with people that are willing to work for nationalism. They’re willing to put in the work. And pessimists and black pillers, they just want to sit there and just sink the boat, you know, Imagine you’re on a journey, you’re on a mission. You want cunts on the fucking oars! Get on the fucking oars! Let’s go!

 

Henrik Palgren: Correct. Yep.

 

Thomas Sewell: And if you’ve got a skill, if you can navigate, if you can navigate, you got to first do your time on the fucking oars. We don’t need all this dead weight on the boat saying:

 

“Oh, we should go this way or we should go that way!”

 

Shut up! Get on the oar. All right.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah. Learn to work as a team first. Right? Kind of thing.

 

Thomas Sewell: And get in the rhythm.

 

Henrik Palgren: Get your individuality, your emotions to the side. Just get rid of all of that and create a unit that can cooperate and then from there you can do that.

 

And as you said, I mean, yeah, you should surround yourself with people that are smarter than you, that are better than you, they know more than you. And that creates an environment where you are all feeding off each other. You grow, you become better.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. And you should lift people up that aren’t.

 

Henrik Palgren: Oh, 100%.

 

Thomas Sewell: But don’t waste time on people that are fundamentally broken. And the younger you are, the more time you waste on broken people. When I was young, I wasted years on broken people trying to help them.

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: And yeah, as Adolf Hitler says:

 

“God helps no one that doesn’t help themselves. And German people, help yourselves!”

 

And I believe that about us as Aryans, as White people. Like we need to help ourselves. And yeah you don’t want to like cut off people too quickly. You want to give people time. Some people take six months, some people 12 months.

 

But yeah, you’re not always going to find yourself surrounded by people that are making more money than you or that are smarter than you or whatever. Sometimes you’re going to find yourself surrounded by people that are are less fit than you and, or, whatever the metric is that you’re measuring. And yeah, what mateship is about is about lifting up the guys around you know, and a good amount of positive bullying, a good amount of positive work. Inclusive bullying.

 

Henrik Palgren: Shaming and bullying works 100%.

 

Thomas Sewell: Lift up the guys around you. That’s one way that an organization grows is that guys join and it’s not that you’re joining a self improvement society. Go join the Freemasons if that’s what you’re looking for! You know what I mean? Like our organization, the purpose of it isn’t a self improvement society, but I do believe that’s a side effect on it.

 

Henrik Palgren: That’s a positive side effect of it.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, exactly! Yeah. It’s a side effect of brotherhood.

 

Henrik Palgren: Correct.

 

Thomas Sewell: It’s a side effect of an effective brotherhood. All effective brotherhoods are do that. And what we have at the moment is like veterans organizations and men’s clubs and stuff like that. They’re all just like pity parties. I don’t go to them because I know that they’re gay as fuck, but I know people that go to these like guys that I was in the army with and you know, tradesmen, they go to these like groups that aren’t our group. They go to these like socially approved groups after work and it’s just like they’re just getting lectured by some faggot about toxic masculinity. And it’s just like:

 

“How do you fucking put up with this? Like you don’t need friends that bad, dude. Like, just go to the gym!”

 

[2:40:44]

 

Henrik Palgren: Just making friends there, nothing else.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, like a lot of the veterans organizations, for example, a bit off topic, but a lot of them are just that what you feed grows pity parties. They’re just like:

 

“Oh, I have nightmares.”

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: It’s just like, fuck, man!

 

Henrik Palgren: Yeah.

 

At some point you have to like a new vision, Focus on something new, fresh. And I know it sucks! I’m not trying to diminish it. But I’m saying also at some point you got to kind of keep busy, right? You got to get active and busy.

 

Thomas Sewell: If you’ve got depression, for example, and you go to the depression week and you’re like:

 

“I’m so depressed I can’t get out of bed in the morning!”

 

Is that ever going to fix the problem?

 

Henrik Palgren: No, no, it’s not.

 

Thomas Sewell: You just need a fucking injection of Vril!

 

Henrik Palgren: Yep, Correct.

 

Thomas Sewell: Just get out of fucking bed. Find a purpose.

 

But yeah, anyway, I’ve said enough.

 

Henrik Palgren: No, no, it’s all good. All good. Dr. Jenstein:

 

“Thanks guys. Great stream!”

 

Yeah, I really appreciate it. Great conversation, Tom, as always, I appreciate you. And again, thanks. Salute to all of you and the guys over there. Hope Joel gets out soon.

 

And as always, of course, …

 

Thomas Sewell: 23rd, hopefully.

 

Henrik Palgren: 23rd. Oh, really? Okay. So day before Yule. Okay, nice.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, a week.

 

Henrik Palgren: All right, well, say hi to him from us here at Red Ice. We’re thinking of him.

 

All right, Tom, have a great Yule. Christmas done. Coming up here shortly, soon.

 

Thomas Sewell: Thank you for having me.

 

Henrik Palgren: That’s right.

 

And obviously I suppose you say Australia for the White man! We’ll see you later, Tom.

 

Thomas Sewell: The rest must go!

 

Henrik Palgren: The rest must go. [chuckling] There you go.

 

All right, cheers. Take care. Thanks.

 

All right, guys, there we go. Thank you so much to Tom again for joining us. We appreciate you.

 

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BeornBeorning
5 hours ago
Great guest!

RestitutorOrbis1028
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2 days ago
Australia was batshit crazy & cruel during Cοvid; I will never forget it. Ontario & British Columbia (Canada) come in close behind.

Soozysuz
Supporter
3 days ago
Also the government are so dumb, they don’t even know they have created this right wing movement. There’s no stopping it when they have forced us into this situation. If they weren’t over controlling fuckheads, we could all be living in peace and enjoying life.

Soozysuz
Supporter
3 days ago
The government are terrified of you guys. After your speech at MFA in August, I had to find out what you were all about, brocade it certainly wasn’t what they were trying to tell us. If been a keen listener ever since. As a woman in my mid 50’s it makes me so happy to see strong young men prepared to do what it takes to take this country back. I grew up in the best times and never imagined we’d be where we are now. Australia is barely recognisable. I really hope we can turn this ship around Hail

6millionbagels
3 days ago
Brilliant interview

Jaymeo1
4 days ago
Tom is the future

Bee1970Something
4 days ago
Israel and their puppets keep causing bullshit and the current so-called leaders all fleece us for this greed

PansophicGothi
4 days ago
Greg Johnson is a normal gay man, and Joel Davis did a live stream with him in 2025. I get the tendency to act like zero tolerance, but that doesn’t really mesh with reality, it’s usually more complicated and nuanced. (Chris Cantwell went off the deep end though.)
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BeornBeorning
5 days ago
“…doing everything we can to keep safe the vibrant multicultural society…” LMAO
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Lueger
6 days ago
41:00 Striker and those around him have no f’g idea about the obnoxiousness of the mohammedans in Europe and everywhere else they exist outside of the US. The Jew-S has traditionally filtered out the above-average to below-average sorts and allowed in only the absolute top-level, unislamic intellectuals. I went to Europe as a convinced opponent of semitism, and learned in Europe that opposition to semitism must include opposition to all semites. Jew and arab alike have an ideology of perpetual innocence, mixed with an inclination to communism and lasciviousness. They are both disgusting and should properly be confined to their deserts, pushed off of the coasts of the eastern Mediterranean.

Vasili1
6 days ago
you may be interested in watching– Jews in Australia 2 – Ernie Rolando Dec 2025 (+ Critical Race Theory) https://www.bitchute.com/video/KbCDmGx8xsOK

HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala
1 week ago
Ah you’re an anti-semite (You said that around 2 hours in). Well I guess that means I should go and protect the real Whites then, the negative blood types (myself inclusive). Jews aren’t the real semites, but if you have all connection with Christ by blood well then we negative blood types deserve better than being annihilated by the jews, directly targeted and abused not only by people on Earth, but wondering why almost all our lives we’re being targeted by demons and fallen angels so much and jews trying to replace us and then also annihilated potentially by neo nazi’s and replaced there too? I’ve cried deeply enough, shed enough blood and sweat. We’ve gone through enough us negative blood types, don’t deserve attacks instead of being cherished and protected and also considering how much we’ve also done, which means none of you would be here otherwise to even be able to fight. Most of us didn’t even know that we were blood of Christ and his ancestors until only a few years ago, even though the jews have known and tried to cover it up all along. I’ve connected with negative blood types the last few years and they’ve all pretty much said the same thing, we’re being hunted more so than anyone else in the world and almost all I spoke to were Christian or I didn’t know and I’ve spoken to quite a few groups. I’m against multiculturalism of all non-Whites with Europeans, Scandinavians (Greenland inclusive) and Whites I don’t know how it’s going to go with you lot not accepting we’re actually the real Whites if that’s how you’re going about it. I’d like an apology at least from the UK people from hating on me throughout school when I was a little girl because they were fucking racist against Polish people and framing Polish people for what the nazi’s or rather the jews actually did. Sick. I think there’s clear reason, negative blood types have to protect our own community worldwide. I might as well go pass on the msg because I don’t need anyone not being loyal to us.

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boicotinho2
1 week ago
lmao, “the jews arent the real jews”. what a nonsense
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HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala
1 week ago
“What a nonsense?” lol Have a look at yourself in the mirror and then you’ll see what real nonsense looks like. If you want to be roasted, mate, I have all day and shit ton load of experience, (no pun intended and frankly it ain’t shit but since you’re so literal worse than an actual autistic then lets go with heap ton load instead). I’ve grown and healed through these time loops like you can’t imagine despite the BS torture I’ve had to endure. You’ll tire out quicker than it takes a cork to blow from a shaken up bottle of cheap sparkling (not even champagne). Jews are not the real line of Christ and his ancestors. Happy? I can’t fucking edit these posts and they allow only 2,000 characters as you well know so it doesn’t let me say everything to a dumbass like you. People with half a brain or holes in it know what I’m saying, you can’t, you’re that retarded? I don’t have time nor energy for shitty connection, do better. Be kind, instead, takes healing. You eating your wild blueberries? (Clearly not).

whitehonkymonkey
3 days ago
he’s obviously unhinged, pity the poor minded
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HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala
1 week ago
Sorry for the many posts but each post only allows 2,000 characters. So it’s not just the demons that need to be killed, it’s also the fallen angels. If we don’t kill the core of the problem, those fallen will just manipulate people on Earth again, get them accepting & loving their demons & doing sick shit like they did at the Colosseum. According to Anthony William attacking family members because they were forced to while the whole stadium was screaming. Plus people doing things like what they are today, today’s style canaanite. Joshua, Saul & David (those negative blood types) killed all these jews that went rancid because God directed them to. This is a battle that’s been going on for thousands of years but for some reason what is God waiting for with the fallen? How is it that our God tells Joshua NKJV 7:10-12 to kill the filth amongst him & won’t be with Joshua unless he does, yet Jesus our God doesn’t kill all the filth amongst his realm & the spiritual. We have to investigate further what’s going on here. Either way, the audiobook is: “Angels, Demons and Spiritual Tools,” you can get it on Spotify as well. Takes 7 hours to listen, about 10min a day to do the excersizes even if you don’t believe in them. For me when I even just started listening to it, my life situation improved & I became more confident against the spiritual & celestial realms that house these filth demons. You can bet all the sick jews are turned demon in the afterlife because satan comes to collect if God’s angels don’t come to collect you. The afterlife, is another battle, unfortunately & I don’t know about you lot, but I’m already exhausted by the immense full blown attacks I’ve already received in a frickin’ time loop that I was forced to endure repeats of as well, still am. I know a lot, don’t know too much about how to get myself out of a time loop, any Jesus Christ following Christians know? Anyway, otherwise I’m going to have to wait until Christ comes & that could mean we lost.

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RestitutorOrbis1028
VerifiedLocals Supporter
2 days ago
On a social-media post, if you cannot write a concise comment within a few sentences, you need to fundamentally reconsider your language & communication skills. Honestly, trying to provide constructive criticism. Do your best to shoot for a few sentences, one paragraph. Cheers

HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala
1 week ago
1:30:00 thereabouts, none of the flying cars & the proper architecture & all of us getting along won’t happen until the demons in the spiritual realm are killed & everyone needs to be taking THAT seriously. Unfortunately I have to quote Anthony William even though that audiobook was actually half me because he took my personal previous situation where I was screaming at my v2k attackers & crying hysterically from the heat & the spike protein stabs within my body & senses. I didn’t realise at that point that they had given it to all the cows as well (so everyone is vaccinated unfortunately, need to eat their wild blueberries & all the powders from Christian brand Vimergy, can also get it from the floweroflife.com website to clean that nano out). They just keep dumping nano at us daily, in the air, it’s part of the chemtrails, it’s in the water, dairy, you’re around vaccinated you literally can’t get away from it. You can minimise your exposure though & clean it out daily so you’re as close to God as possible, not as close to those cia agents & their ai as possible. At that part of the loop a few years ago Russia & America (jews) were threatening the world with drones that could kill you upon impact using facial recognition & were using them at Ukraine border. Poland had a machine to zap them upon impact, I realised checkmate wasn’t really checkmate, I screamed what he is saying now in the audiobook made one loop after it happened. He really should have co-authored me but he supports some jews, apparently the better ones & I refuse all jews. That situation you can truly know how evil these satanists are when they abuse their power & think no one is around to help you or that you can’t help yourself, which is all I had. Not only that but demons power the energy for these satanists, people have said that the reason Clintons are so powerful is because they used sex magic to attach demons to their soul this was a purposeful intent not always does sex magic do this.

HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala
1 week ago
You neo nazi’s may also be interested to know, that Hitler actually had his own hypnotist and he was using him throughout all the crowd speeches he did. It clearly was greatly effective, how do you think mesmeric techniques from Anton who used to live in Germany in the 1800s ended up actually freeing Germany from them jews? Biggest mistake Hitler made was going after Poland though. That was dumb. Jesus Christ knows all about hypnosis and mesmerism. It was used over 5,000 years ago as a healing modality. The history of Hypnosis and where it’s going in each country is actually kind of fascinating. In other words, you don’t attack God’s children!

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whitehonkymonkey
3 days ago
loving your uneducated comments.

boicotinho2
1 week ago
Jewsus Christ is just jewish mythology!
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HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala
1 week ago
At 21min, JimmyDee on YT (hope I spelt that right) he’s got about 10k YT following, one one of his videos he mentions this video & this person & showing a photo of him getting painted with red paint and the video from TV. He also mentioned, ‘so all of a sudden this guy has no more head split’ I can’t remember exactly the quote, but it was along those lines, I thought that was a really good point. Young guy, mixed race, hates muslims as well & love the fact he calls out the jews in everyone of his videos. VizzGitt on YT is also good at that too but less often, but they don’t seem to have a lot of subs, I don’t know if it’s brainwashed people that don’t follow them or it’s the jews that are punishing them with algorithms. At 1 point I thought Mel Gibson was bad when I started getting attacked heavily with the microwave weapons attacked while cleansing, because I wondered why they were using mesmerism to try and hypnotise me so much that I had to block the signals with scalar healing aka longitudinal hz frequency, which does block negative frequencies from the 5g & breaks hypnosis without being killed because CIA they do that kill switch within you. I’m pretty proud I actually was 1st to figure it out but it was also because of that lady that researched and developed scalar wave healing. I did add her I forgot her name now but you can still find her on YT. But CIA with the nano were using what I sensed as Mel’s voice or something it was the sound behind his voice it was like oh it’s so tough to explain, like water has sound waves, when you speak it’s the subconscious waves that come through from the neurotransmitters of the heart, I could pick up on that because I did Heart Math. CIA Ai betrayed Mel and all of us they used his energy without his consent & used it to attack me with. I’m pretty sure they also tried with the strongest hypnotists in the world. Pauline Hanson hates muslims and ching chongs, but supports the satanists, the false jews. It’s nuts.
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HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala
1 week ago
As a professional from what I call “unhypnotist” which was my own technique when I asked God what I needed to do with my life decades ago and I had to unravel what the TV and the radio signals were doing to peoples brains by helping them lead them into their subconscious so they could clean it up with Jesus Christ’s guidance. If only I could help more people, but I’ve been attacked to not unhypnotise people from the media, I think more people in Australia would have be woken up and not woke. I also know what the CIA have done. I was trained by the same man (who is Aussie) that taught Mel Gibson and traveled to America to teach him. So yes, Mel Gibson is in fact also a Hypnotist and we were taught the strongest method from Anthon Mesmer, his techniques are still used in Germany to get rid of varicose veins. They don’t give you pain medication nor local anesthetic, they use rapid inductions to destabilise the pain immediately and within a few seconds make a few slits and rip out the varicose vein, apparently it’s painless. I have recently found you can heal varicose veins naturally with wild foods. Anyway the reason I mention hypnosis is because CIA hypnotised a guy after many days and convinced him to kill himself by walking out a high story window, don’t remember if it was 2nd or 3rd level building. All those shooters are heavily hypnotised, CIA also know mesmerism but they’re not as good as us here in Western Australia, the most amount of mesmerists in the world, let alone hypnotists. What they teach you in uni alongside Psychology is a watered down version of hypnosis there are no rapid inductions. It’s the Ericksonian technique developed by an American, only useful once a person is actually in hypnosis because it’s using visual imagery to clear out old patterns, your brain responds well with visual imagery. Fucking Wong. She’s probably a clone made in China then sent to be a handler to the government leader. I wonder when she’ll start falling apart.

corella64
1 week ago
Rumble censorship blocks personal views
on these issues.
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corella64
1 week ago
One indian is too many indians in Australia.
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BBrand89
1 week ago
Bikes grape kids

corella64
1 week ago
Globalism, mass immigration and multiculturalism is -anti-white- majority. The enemy from within and without. Bad DNA admixed with northern european DNA for future generations is deranged, corrupt, debased, degenerate etc. Defend you DNA stock, quality over quantity!

corella64
1 week ago
Both semitic tribes, jewish and islamic and their extended religious nationalities at war with white european majority nations, and winning at Bondi.

TVR_
1 week ago
Hail Thomas Sewell

scootera
1 week ago
Great Conversation

katana17
1 week ago
[Red Ice TV – Bondi Beach Shooting & White Australia with Thomas Sewell – Dec 17, 2025 – Transcript] https://katana17.com/2025/12/18/red-ice-tv-bondi-beach-shooting-white-australia-with-thomas-sewell-dec-17-2025-transcript/ [In this live stream video Thomas Sewell from White Australia joins Henrik to talk about the effort to take back Australia, the Bondi Beach shooting and the political aspirations of White Australia party. Points discussed include: The shooting occurred during a Hanukkah celebration at Bondi Beach on December 14th [2025]. The attackers were a father and son duo, one of whom was born in Australia to an Indian father and Italian mother. The son had converted to Islam and received religious training; he was also linked to ISIS. The attackers allegedly targeted jews specifically, though many others were injured. “We’re surprised it doesn’t happen more often,” said Sewell, referencing Muslim rhetoric in Australia. Sewell says Muslims in gyms and job sites often express extreme anti-Jewish views. He criticises conspiracy theories suggesting the attack was staged or fake. “Sometimes Muslims just kill people,” dismissing Mossad-related theories. He says the jewish event was not random—it was advertised and attended by prominent Zionists. Arsen Ostrovsky, an Israeli human rights lawyer, was present at the event. Sewell notes Ostrovsky arrived in Australia weeks earlier to “fight anti-semitism.” The father was killed during the attack; the son was recently brought out of a coma. Some Aussies tried to intervene and were mistakenly targeted by police. Sewell contrasts police response to White nationalists vs. Muslim terrorists. “If you’re a White nationalist, they pull the gun out on you immediately.” Female police officers on the scene were ineffective and had “mental breakdowns.” Sewell describes the police as cowardly and unprepared for real violence. He criticises the Australian government for focusing on “Nazis” instead of real threat. And more, …
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Spectroscopy_
1 week ago
anyone know what happend to stormfront?

JWMickleMusic
VerifiedSupporter
1 week ago
another fantastic interview. Hail Victory! \\\

Henry000
1 week ago
Excellent interview. All Australian Whites should vote for his party. They have nothing left to lose.
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J0hnConn0r
1 week ago
Shadow banning comments fucking pathetic
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palacepony
Supporter
1 week ago
The islanders brought over to Queensland in the old days for the sugar cutting were the Kanakas.

Winstein_Synagoguehill
1 week ago
Eric Striker is such a brain dead shut in. Every serious Nationalist considers him a fool.
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Anglojim4
1 week ago
This is not a criticism. It was a great discussion and Thomas Sewell is a highly intelligent leader with some great policies. But perhaps he could curb using lots of swear words. I understand it’s the way blokes talk. But Mr Sewell is the leader of a party, which has great potential in Australia, and could attract votes from a wide range of men and women from different age groups

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PansophicGothi
4 days ago
Typically I agree with you (re: Joe Rogan etc), but it does seem to be that’s just how normal people in Australia talk, different culture. You might as well try to get them to stop using the ridiculous accent.

whitehonkymonkey
3 days ago
i expect tom will be more tactful when he’s dealing with politicians and the like. yes he could be more statesman like , however we are lucky to have him.

Seppl88
1 week ago
Jews and Fags are at the centre of all evil. Himmler understood the Fag problem.
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katana17
just now
[Heinrich Himmler – Speech about Homosexuality to the SS Group Leaders – Feb 18, 1937 – Transcript] https://katana17.com/2014/10/30/heinrich-himmler-on-homosexuality/

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nemo74
1 week ago
Nobody gives a fuck about what you don’t like. If people have theories, people have theories fucking deal with it dummy. Typical Australian. Wanna stifle freedom of speech. Guess you shouldn’t have given up your guns. Eh mate?

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RealPolitiko
1 week ago
Go suck off some muslims u retard

whitehonkymonkey
3 days ago
up the meds laddie, sounds like you need it.

kingogondo1
Verified
1 week ago
Fantastic show. Every minute.

BattleAxe77
1 week ago
Yet its the Jews who love Cultural Marxism and mass migration. As long as they can have their Jewish state Israel
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SkoobyDew
1 week ago
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WheresMySpaceship
1 week ago
While those men should never have been in your country. You don’t hate them enough! If only anti-white zionists and jews died… (you know the people who all stick together but try to destroy you if you do, want you dead, humiliated, broke, powerless, and to genocide anyone non-jewish) Uh… Nothing of value was lost. The only issue is any government crack down. Disagree? (Check my logic versus yours. Understand I’m not the one with the mental illness… You are!)

Garbear78
Supporter
1 week ago
white power!!
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Brandonkane
Verified
1 week ago
Holy Crap you’re on Rumble? This is amazing. I haven’t been able to find you guys in so long
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Tmizzle89
1 week ago
HAIL THOMAS SEWELL

BurningCross
Supporter
1 week ago
we can have guns. Just nothing practical for self defense and you have to beg the police and get formal training and get licensed and then the cops can raid your house whenever they want. cope more ozzies

boicotinho2
1 week ago
Not super convinced about their arguments from 21:00 onwards. I find it too much of a cohencidence that this propaganda lawyer was also an october 7 survivor
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RealPolitiko
1 week ago
You’re most likely brown since you’re one of those retards who always say muslims can never do nothing wrong, it’s always someone else’s fault. Like Thomas said: jews and muslims both need to get out of our White countries.
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HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala
1 week ago
He’s not the first one to say it though.
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J_Cheever_Loophole
1 week ago
Don’t forget, tiny Rhodesia was fighting, and winning, against both Chinese backed communist terrorists, and USSR backed communist terrorists….what made them lose the war and hand the country back to the blacks was American embargoes and the US bullying the UK into cutting them off too, just as they did with Cuba and more recently Venezuela, as my Great Aunt who lived there said, “You can’t win a war without bombs and bullets” And just a few years later, the US bullied the rest of the world into supporting embargoes against South Africa and the exact same thing happened…forced to had over control to the blacks and to watch as their country was utterly destroyed….and many forget, South Africa was a nuclear power until then too… So it is the US you need to watch, especially their money lenders!. They knew they had to destroy those countries or else white men would flee there from Europe and the US… Now there is no white homeland, none at all….but if there is one positive note it is that a tiny military, well trained and well motivated.can win against incredible odds…just beware the USA…

Mogus1488
Supporter
1 week ago
Good stream but I did want to correct that the isis flag is banned still in Australia
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BradC1988
1 week ago
Hail Thomas Sewell, Hail NSN, Hail Victory!! o///
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nicestgoy
1 week ago
sign up whiteaus
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GreenGladeAryan
1 week ago
Hall the Leader o/
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palacepony
Supporter
1 week ago
Chris Minns is insane. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKMbdLd-jwg&t=584s

Fawkes2
1 week ago
DEPORT ALL SEMITES
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HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala
1 week ago
Excuse you, you mean deport all jews.
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MonThirteen
1 week ago
Thank you so much Henrik, you’re an awesome interviewer. You let Thomas cook. His last interview on jake shields was almost unwatchable. Dan constantly butting in, trying to steer topics to what he wanted. This interview was a breath of fresh air. When you have a genius on its best to listen and not ask stupid questions. Hail o/ FREE JOEL DAVIS.
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boicotinho2
1 week ago
Both inteviews was good. IMO the one with Shields and Belzerian wad even better than this one

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MonThirteen
1 week ago
Belzerian is like a newbie in comparison to Thomas. He kept interrupting and steering the conversation to his limited knowledge. When you have Thomas on a show, it’s time to shut up and learn.

renunciate
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1 week ago
You’re still “fit & proper” Mr Sewel.
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BroadcastAdvisor
1 week ago
Lot a talk. No solutions. What’s the SOLUTION for AMERICA? Keep waiting to hear something … The Titanic isn’t going to fix itself. We need a new Republic and in the new Republic we’d need ( among many things ), a 4th branch of gov’t. 2 citizens PER official – their only job being watch them for any signs of treason. Pay = $100k + a year. Their reports go to a CIA ( Citizens Intelligence Agency ), for a deeper look. IF treason’s found they get a military tribunal. This, in our enlarged all white CSA II. There ya go. A great topic for an upcoming show.
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yogafiretate
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1 week ago
The commonwealth bank market cap is 250b not 1.3t bro is retarded

Goat_Moag
1 week ago
Speaking of banners. No foreign loyalties amendment. “No person holding foreign loyalties, foreign passports, or oaths to foreign actors, shall hold political office or government position, or other positions of trust.” Rough draft of course. Something of such importance certainly needs consideration, though the rough draft seems pretty good. The journey being more important than the destination (as far as getting an amendment passed, not that that would be a bad thing). The journey being to build a movement / coalition, and a banner to get behind.
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Bentley2177
1 week ago
Absolutely everything Tom speaks on is 100% correct!
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Bigboy6669
1 week ago
hail
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Knights_Messiah
1 week ago
54:36 Propaganda!! How about our governments boot all the non natives out
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Knights_Messiah
1 week ago
52:32 It’s disgusting. How dare the globalists fuck up the West like this
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Knights_Messiah
1 week ago
100 years on the native whites are slowly waking up and will no longer be bludgeoned by the Holocaust and carrying Hitlers efforts
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whitehonkymonkey
3 days ago
correct i was bludgeoned for over 60 years of allie propaganda,however thanks to people like david irving i have seen the way forward. go the NSN

Knights_Messiah
1 week ago
29:41 This is ridiculous!! Why is the West Infiltrated with non natives!! Whites only in power!!

Knights_Messiah
1 week ago
27:20 Virtue signaling about Anti-semetism. I and I am sure the native white Australians dont care about Anti-semetism!!! I care about white genocide and replacement
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AdamUnsalted
1 week ago
The more Whites notice bad Jewish behavior, the more the Jews open the gates for brown immigration.
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DJTriumph
Supporter
1 week ago
great show keep up the good fight, stay positive
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Megawatts80
VerifiedSupporter+
1 week ago
the best thing about Tom is that not only is he highly intelligent, but he’s also the leader of White Australia because he’s the strongest, and there’s some very strong members of his org, and he is still the strongest. a true icon.
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PansophicGothi
4 days ago
So NSN functions like Orks ?

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whitehonkymonkey
3 days ago
the establishment must be looking in and thinking how they can eliminate tom from the system as he’s gone and done a lot of study,which makes him dangerous to the system . i hope the NSN have plenty more like him as back up used to find tom too radical, however the system has gone so radical the other way,that national socialism is the only position left to us. keep up the good work tom your a credit to the whiteman.

Seppl88
1 week ago
I am in Sydney; Bondi is 20 km away. It is a Jewish Ghetto; they like to ghettoize themselves. The media and government are frantic but only in pushing the line that “anti-semitism” is to blame and we need more gun control. Not citing the obvious that multi-culturalism is violent, also these Indian shooters had legal guns. They want to bring in even harsher hate speech laws to curb the White Nationalists’ criticism of Jewish power. This was about payback for Gaza and nothing else. It is unfortunate that this achieved nothing, it has created more sympathy for Jews and has not hurt ZOG, only will punish white interests. Resist the tyranny, Tom is the man with a plan!
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HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala
1 week ago
Make Bondi jew free again!
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HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala
1 week ago
They can’t call themselves semites, they don’t have the blood type, proven by the shroud and Dr Serafini the Italian Cardiologist.

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mcdawggg
1 week ago
No one cares. Just get all the foreigners out of our country.
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Globalist_Juice
1 week ago
Always good to hear from Tom, thank you Henrik.
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beautifulphallus
1 week ago
Harold Holt was Prime Minister in the late 1960s

CoomernistFaggot
1 week ago
White is right.
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Knights_Messiah
1 week ago
Tighten gun laws.. Seems almost like Islam did the attack with this consequence in mind. Screw over the white natives even more
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AdamUnsalted
1 week ago
Islam is the broom of israel.
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Callisterz
1 week ago
Keep pushing your limits!
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Malthus
1 week ago
BONDI BEACH JEWISH MOSSAD BS EXPOSED! https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ok14qM0D4Qpz
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DJTriumph
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1 week ago
Bitchute is banned in the UK
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Malthus
1 week ago
ProtonVPN
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HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala
1 week ago
Use Tor Browser? It’s pretty much just a VPN but free.

Downunderdickhead
Supporter
1 week ago
Good on ya Tom! Only bloke who can pull the country out of this mess! AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
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liebedich
Supporter
1 week ago
Oi! Oi! Oi!
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HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala
1 week ago
Excuse you, I’m doing a pretty good job too, you all wouldn’t be here without me!

HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala
1 week ago
Besides the fact that you choose a jew, a muslim, a serpent, a grey alien, pick a time and date and weapon of choice was my idea from about 4 years ago. That wasn’t any of the neo nazi’s ideas so if they don’t also credit me they’re in trouble!

HeartcloudTeaTreeKoala
1 week ago
Also you wouldn’t know that cia as in the satanists as in the jews have access to our timelines, if it wasn’t for me speaking out about it you’d all still be wasting your time in arrears you can’t make a dent in because the serpents with the jews will just amend the timeline and outcome back to the way they want it, they can’t do everything though. Through these timelines I’ve watched an American brotherhood kill the jews in America and it got reverted, I also saw other attacks and that also got reverted which Is why I said in the first place that it needs to be a worldwide thing at the same time and then we have to factor in the time travelers and their armies, because they’ll be at us too because having control of the future is a very powerful thing. If I wasn’t speaking out and made it by cleansing in this time loop and a seer from God none of you would know when to attack or where, and certainly not know when. If you want your enemy not to know your next move, you’ve got to cleanse with wild blueberries, why do you think I’m so onto that at the moment hmmm? Go get all the powders from Vimergy. Even jew Harari told you the luciferinase is a weapon “surveillance under the skin” is what he said in an interview it’s still up on YT. No I don’t take drugs, nor drink nor smoke and I’ve been cleansing heavily for more than 5 years with wild foods and even before that with dry cleansing and water fasting from 6yo. I’ve also been screened by 4 professionals and I’m no way delusional, I don’t have bi polar nor any of those kinds of things, I’m not schizophrenic either although I have had the v2k attacks which falsely say it’s schizo when it’s a weapon. Amy Holem has already proven this with her inventions to pick up on the radio signals, the micro waves, that means yes the microwaves and longitudinal waves that are coming at us. Actually I’m not sure if she picks up on the longitudinal because they go passed all devices including your own bones, it’s the make-up of us.

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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Lana Lokteff: Welcome, ladies and gentlemen. I’m Lana. Joining me from down under is Joel Davis and Tom Sewell, who are mass deportation enthusiasts. We’ll discuss how mass immigration is transforming Australia and really, the entire West. How did we get here? And what can be done about it? Welcome, Joel.

 

Joel Davis: Great to be here.

 

Thomas Sewell: I finally got an invite to the Cool Kids Club, so it’s a pleasure to be here.

 

Lana Lokteff: Let’s get into. There’s so much I want to get into, including the outrageous activist persecution that’s happening in Australia. Thomas, I know you went to jail for some bogus charges.

 

We’ll also get into that.

 

But I think a great place to begin is really to tell us how you both became a nationalist. What made you first start thinking about being White and realizing how race mattered? Everyone has a story, so let’s start with you, Thomas.

 

Thomas Sewell: I was born in New Zealand, to the dismay of all my Australian friends and colleagues in this struggle and my family, I’d say my father was a big influence on me. He wasn’t openly or outwardly fascistic or National Socialist, but he certainly understood the concept of race. He used to always complain about from a liberal, always from a liberal perspective, he used to complain about how you know why don’t the Whites get treated equally? Isn’t the whole point equality and egalitarianism? And he would always complain that Maori’s got special treatment in New Zealand or in the UK where he was born and where our family’s from, how all these Pakistanis and Africans moved into their areas and got assistance and help and felt like the White people were sort of pushed out.

 

And so I did have a basic understanding of race. Certainly the most radical conversation I ever had with my father was he explained when they had their honeymoon in South Africa and we had family in Rhodesia and in South Africa, and he caught up with some family and family friends.

 

And basically they were just describing why genocide. They were describing what was going on in South Africa, what happened in Rhodesia, and why they had to flee. And talking about living in these compounds away from the blacks, but having to keep guns on them at all times because there was instances where the black security guards would turn on the Whites. And at ten years old, that’s a pretty heavy conversation to be privy to.

 

And so that definitely helped shape a worldview of, okay, like, I’m starting to notice this. The next step from there was early high school and late primary school. I became pretty obsessed with history.

 

And as Hitler said:

 

“You know, first I came to love history, then I became a nationalist.”

 

So having a deep understanding of ancient Greek, ancient Roman and ancient German history or Germanic history, I just love studying that. So having that wealth of knowledge. These books are probably still in most school libraries, if you can find them. I don’t think they were overly political, but just having a base knowledge of these people, of our people, and what we’ve achieved over thousands of years, to me, helped build a sense of self identity, of self pride. And I felt an attachment to this history. I didn’t feel like it was some foreign concept. I read it as these are our ancestors. And I had that knowledge even back then. From there, certainly, I noticed the racial demographics change in my high school, and I lived in a very multicultural area that was slowly going from maybe ten to 20% non-European to about ten to 20% European. And this happened in about a decade.

 

So very quickly I noticed the collusion between the people that ran my high school, the principal, and all the sort of hierarchy of the high school. They were having business relationships with real estate agents and they were having relationships with Chinese developers. So they were the people that were running my high school were going over to China and having business meetings with Chinese people. And simultaneously, the property prices in my area were going from about 500,000. It was a pretty middle class area, upper middle class area, to about $2 million in a very short period of space. So I could see this collusion. And I was still only probably 15 at this point. And I started studying World War Two in history, and I didn’t understand why Hitler was the bad guy. I certainly didn’t understand that. I didn’t see or hear anything that he had said that was bad. After that, I was always drawing swastikas on the desk for some reason at school. I’m not sure why at the time.

 

Lana Lokteff: Your dad didn’t teach you that?

 

Thomas Sewell: No, no, my dad is a like, my dad thinks Churchill was the good guy. My dad thinks that the Anglo Saxons fought the Germans, you know, for good reason, and we’re not speaking. He sort of believes that Boomer lie. My dad’s a boomer. He was born in 1951, and his dad fought in World War Two against the Germans. And my mum’s grandfather fought as a Lancaster bomber pilot as well, against the Germans and bombed German cities.

 

So there’s a lot of bad harming, a lot of bad karma in my family that we’ve done a lot to hurt the Germans and hurt our brothers in these brothers wars.

 

And for me, that was always I want to side with my father and my grandfather, my great grandfather.

 

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But then I’m reading this history of World War Two, and I’m reading about Hitler, and I’m learning about Hitler, and it was just always in the back of my mind. And then I kind of fell down. I joined the army, and I fell down. More of a focus on the anti-Islam stuff, for sure. And I started watching Tommy Robinson, and I was always confused as to why he was waving Israeli flags. This is sort of going back to 2013 and stuff. And there was a lot of terror attacks and then on YouTube. Back then, YouTube was amazing! And I watched all these different sort of Hitler videos and Hitler Hyde videos. My favorite was probably one called the floodkams or Deyflutt Kampt. I can’t speak German, but that’s my memory of it. And I just thought, this is magical. This is mystical. This is something I’ve always been drawn to, the swastika. And this is just drawing me in even further.

 

And then there were some breaking points where I watched the [Ernst] Zundel interviews, I watched videos on the Holocaust, or the “Holocaust” hoax, however you want to put it, and Irving videos, Zundel interviews. And I just thought, this is all a lie. We’ve been lied to the whole time. And my instinct to always be fascinated with the Third Reich, always be fascinated with Hitler, was right. And then I read Mein Kampf properly for the first time because I had a really crappy copy. Someone bought me Mein Kampf in high school, but it was like a jewish version of it was only, like, 180 pages, and it wasn’t correct. I read it, and I didn’t really like it at all! I thought it was boring. And then I met Blair Cottrell.

 

And I believe Blair actually bought me my first copy of Mein Kampf. And I read that, and from that moment, I was just actually, I think it was just before I met Blair. It must have been a girlfriend at the time, or someone definitely bought me Minecarth. I didn’t buy it myself, and it was the Ralph Mannheim edition with the crappy footnotes. But I still.

 

Joel Davis: I just loved it!

 

Thomas Sewell: I just loved it so much.

 

And from that moment on, I engaged full-time. I’ve been full-time since about 2014 in White nationalist politics, in different versions, different variations.

 

And from that moment, I’ve just dedicated myself entirely to Adolf Hitler’s vision of Europe, of the Aryan ideal, the overman, the coming man.

 

However, you want to put it? I’ve just worked towards that ideal as best as I can with what I’ve been with the clay that God has made me.

 

Lana Lokteff: And you’re only 30, so you’ve been at this for a while at a pretty young age, right?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I think I just turned 31, but, yeah, I’ve been doing this since publicly. Since 21. Yeah, publicly since 21.

 

Lana Lokteff: Joel, how about you?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, well, when I was a teenager, I, um. There were many, like, obvious signs that I would become what I’ve become, but I didn’t really put it all together yet. Like, I’ve really found racist banter and jokes hilarious and would often engage in that. And I remember. I can remember how old I was, but when I was a teenager, there was a there was a Mountain Dew pole, and they said:

 

“We got a new Mountain Dew flavor, and we’re going to basically let the people vote on what we’re going to call it.”

 

And 4chan hijacked the poll and voted “Hitler Did Nothing Wrong” as the flavor of the new Mountain Dew.

 

And I thought that was the most fucking hilarious thing ever! I was like, what is this site? 4chan?

 

So that was how I became aware of 4chan. I saw that in the news, and I thought the reaction to it was quite hilarious, and I was really disappointed that Mountain Dew didn’t go through with it. I really wanted them to make the Hitler did nothing wrong cans, and I wanted to buy one, and I was like, why wouldn’t they make that? That’s hilarious! Hilarious.

 

Anyway, so there was echoes of things I became kind of fascinated with, almost, like, pretending to be a Nazi for comedic value. Like, I was an ironic. I was an irony bro Nazi in our conversation. And, yeah, I used to have really long blonde hair. My hair’s gotten darker as I got older, but I had. I was a metalhead teenager and had long hair down to, like down to my chest. And we have this thing in Australia. I don’t know if they have it in other countries called the world’s greatest shave. It’s like, basically, you get people to sponsor you to shave your head, and then you give the money to, like, cancer research or something.

 

Lana Lokteff: Yeah.

 

Joel Davis: So I did that, and I shaved my head full skinhead.

 

And then and then people at school, I was about 15 or 16, and the people at school started saying:

 

“Oh, you’re a skinhead.”

 

And I was like:

 

“Yeah, heil Hitler, motherfucker! I’m a skinhead!”

 

And I realized the non-White kids at school, they didn’t realize I was joking. They, like, literally thought I was a skinhead. And they acted completely differently. They were all intimidated. And that made me feel pretty cool! So, like, I kind of felt this kind of pull towards Nazism of sorts, but it didn’t ideologically form my politics was more. I was more of just like a libertarian, anti-establishment. I knew that the people who ran the world were the bankers. I knew that politics was fraudulent. I knew that there was malevolent forces in control. I knew that a lot of those bankers were jewish. But I didn’t connect all the dots on the significance of race necessarily, although I was open minded, I just wasn’t really exposed.

 

And then as I got into my late teens. I started becoming exposed largely through libertarian Internet communities.

 

So this is in the early to mid 2010s.

 

So I probably became an ideological White nationalist around, 2014, 2015, because that was a time at which there was this really strong libertarian to nationalist or libertarian to fascist pipeline on the Internet. I remember basically, race got brought into a lot of libertarian arguments. Like, I remember arguing about gun rights, for example. You know, in Australia, we don’t have gun rights, and a lot of Australians have this kind of perverse pseudo patriotism about how we don’t have gun rights and how this makes us better than the Americans for some reason, because America is always having mass shootings, and look at all the shootings that are happening in America.

 

Lana Lokteff: We don’t have a lot more. Honestly, now it’s all the trannies shooting everyone. So.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, well, yeah, of course. But I always thought guns were cool, so I was like:

 

“No, I want to have a gun. It’s bullshit that I don’t have a gun. I want to have one. I want to be out of if anyone else has a gun, I want to have a gun so that I can defend myself.”

 

And it just always seemed logical to me, I guess. I’m an Anglo Saxon. I believe in my ancient rights instinctively.

 

And so I was against that position. And I would argue, but then often, even when arguing with Australians, we’d have to argue about America, because America is the test case for a country that actually has gun rights. So when arguing about the United States, when you look at it, when you break it down state by state, I remember, like, there was this Stefan Molyneux video I watched back in 2014, the truth about gun crime or something.

 

Lana Lokteff: I remember that one, actually. Yes.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. And he just went through how it doesn’t matter how liberal or conservative, each state is how. Because obviously in Blue states, they’ve got a lot of restrictions on guns, almost to the point that you don’t actually have gun rights in states like Illinois or New York. It’s almost like a European country or Australia with the way that the gun laws are.

 

Whereas, obviously, in the Red states or even Blue states that are quite homogenous, like, I believe in Vermont or something I don’t think they have that many restrictions on guns, even though it’s a Democrat state, because, well, they don’t have any blacks.

 

Anyway, the point is that that’s the conclusion. The conclusion is, doesn’t matter what your gun laws are the States that have a lot of blacks have more gun crime. The states that don’t have a lot of blacks have almost no gun crime. It doesn’t matter how liberal or conservative they are. It doesn’t matter what their restrictions are.

 

And obviously, we know that the crime rate is way higher with blacks. So whereas if you look at, like, White Americans with gun rights, their murder rate is the same as White Australians, even though we don’t have gun rights.

 

So if you want to kill someone, you figure it out whether guns are legal or illegal.

 

So, anyway, the point is that forced me to make a race realist argument, basically to defend a component of libertarianism.

 

And then I started developing race realist arguments from the libertarian discourse at the time about how you know why are they importing Mexicans into the United States? Well, because they’re going to vote for socialism, all these kinds of things.

 

So I started to become more racially conscious that if I wanted to have the my ancient Anglo Saxon rights, I needed to be in a country full of Anglo Saxons, or at the very least, White people who agreed that we should have those rights because that’s our culture.

 

And so that led me down a pipeline, and then I was already kind of aware of 4chan and so on, and that just led me down a pipeline where, after thinking those thoughts, it takes, like, three months, and ’m a “Holocaust”.

 

Lana Lokteff: Then you’re a Nazi.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. Yeah, exactly! So then I became. That’s what I became.

 

And then I had this trajectory to become an intellectual that I wanted to walk down the path of and so basically, I was reading books and so on, and I thought, if I kind of work through the system, eventually I can occupy a position in academia and then become, like, a based academic or something. Well, that ship is sailing. Yeah. I was walking down I was trying to go down that path for a couple of years there, and then ultimately I just came to the realization that that doesn’t make any sense. Like, as soon as I reveal my power level, I’m going to get removed from these institutions. Why am I trying to build a career in this trajectory? And around that time, I became friends with another Australian youtuber, dissident Right, youtuber at the time, who went by the moniker True Dill Tom. People might remember him. He deleted his account years ago, but he was kind of like Keith Woods before Keith Woods. He kind of had this youthful exuberance and intellectual bent and so on.

 

We became personal friends and he was like:

 

“Oh, can you do a podcast with me on some Julius Evola book?”

 

I can’t remember which one it was. I think it was the metaphysics of war or something. I said:

 

“Yeah, sure, that sounds fun.”

 

So we did a podcast and he’s like:

 

“Can we do another podcast? Let’s do one on, …”

 

Like, we did, like, Spanglers, Prussianism and Socialism or something. We just started doing all these intellectual podcasts, and I started to get a kind of a vibe for it. I kind of quite enjoyed the he had a big audience, so it felt good to be able to kind of engage with academic literature in a public way. So that kind of drew me into starting my own YouTube channel and doing my own podcasts and so on.

 

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And at first, it was a very intellectual thing. Like, a lot of my content was really based around academic subjects with an obvious political bent.

 

But then over time, I just kind of got, like, sucked more and more into actual activism.

 

So that’s kind of probably been my transformation is kind of trying to be a racist intellectual commentator, to just try to fuse that with walking the path of the activist, which is kind of where I am now.

 

Lana Lokteff: And the big issue we’re all dealing with is mass immigration, right? That is the big thing. Now I want to find out how Australia, like, what was their Hart-Celler Act? This is a question for both of you, because in America, we can look at the Hart-Celler Act. 1965, Gates of immigration just started opening. The floodgates were wide open. People started coming in.

 

Now, how did Australia in particular open the doors to mass immigration?

 

Because I remember hearing stories where they used to blow up invader boats, and now you’re welcoming them with open arms.

 

Joel Davis: You mean through legislation? It wasn’t really done through legislation here because the White Australia Policy was largely implemented bureaucratically when Australia was founded in 1901. The founders wanted to put the White Australia Policy in our constitution. The British, however, did not approve of that because they were trying to build an alliance with the Japanese at the time. They thought it would be offensive to them and potentially other non-White international partners.

 

And so they said:

 

“You can have your White Australia Policy, but just don’t be so explicit about it.”

 

So the way that it was implemented. Yeah, like, there were immigration and restriction powers given to the immigration bureaucracy, but then they just filled the bureaucracy with racists.

 

And so then there was literally people in the Australian immigration bureaucracy in the 1930s who, if someone wanted to immigrate here from Europe, they would send a picture of themselves and then analyze it, like, does this guy look jewish? And if they look jewish, they’d, like, reject the application. That would have been the coolest job!

 

But, yeah, but they also had dictation tests.

 

So basically, if anyone came, and the dictation test could be not just given in English, but they could just choose any language, basically, that they wanted to. They had, like, this list of languages. So someone could be non-White but could speak English, and so they just make them sit the test in French, knowing that they couldn’t speak French. They could just fail them.

 

So it was done in this indirect way. Then, basically, the bureaucracy got taken over by jews through the 1960s.

 

And basically the jewish community in Australia subverted the institution, got themselves in charge of it, and at the same time, political currents were changing. This is the 1960s. The rest of the world, Britain, the United States, ripping up., … Well, they’re completely changing their immigration policies, obviously, around this time.

 

And at the end of World War Two, we were kind of stuck with the Americans. We were in the British Empire. Obviously, the empire collapsed in World War Two because we won that war against the Germans. That’s why our empire collapsed.

 

And so we were kind of stuck now with the Americans as the British basically abandoned us in the region and the Americans stepped in and we fought the Japanese together. And then now the threat of communism was directly in our region, with, obviously, China and various other Asian states falling to communism. We were really involved in the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and so on.

 

And we were all the way with the Americans in the Cold War.

 

And so we were like, yes, we have to maintain White power in the Asia Pacific region. It’s so good that we’ve got the Americans with us and the Americans, like:

 

“Whoa, whoa, whoa! We’re here to defend liberal democracy. Don’t be saying that White power stuff to the Australian diplomats in 1940s 1950s!”

 

So we used to have a strong White nationalist country up until that point, but we were kind of cucked by international trends and internal weakness. Like, we had a liberal democratic system that became progressively more tolerant through phases. After World War Two, we started accepting Mediterranean and Slavic immigrants where we didn’t even really accept those. Prior to the Second World War, we had pretty much a Nordicist immigration policy.

 

And then a lot of jews came in.

 

In fact, American jewry funded ships where we were like, well, open our doors to Italians, to Greeks. These countries have been destroyed by the Second World War.

 

A lot of people wanted to immigrate. And we realized in the Second World War, we only had like 4 million people on this entire continent. We faced an existential threat from the Japanese empire. We need to basically, the idea was populate or perish. We need more people, and we can’t just, the idea was that basically the amount of immigrants we were getting from Britain wasn’t going to be enough. So they said:

 

“We can bring in some Italians and some Greeks and so on.”

 

Lana Lokteff: Some criminals., … I’m teasing!

 

Joel Davis: But then as we open the door to the Italians and the Greeks, then American jewry starts basically hijacking the program and funding a bunch of jews from Europe to then immigrate to Australia. They get established in Australia, basically. Then American jewry sets them up with a series of loans. They take over the property developer industry in Australia. they become embedded in a lot of political institutions. And the jewish community, which wasn’t really that powerful at all or didn’t really have any real significant influence prior to the Second World War, became way more influential.

 

The only reason Australia developed ASIO, which is basically our primary intelligence agency, was because a bunch of jews came from Europe after the Second World War.

 

And then they immediately infiltrated the government and started giving state secrets away to the Soviet Union. And the Americans couldn’t even trust us with basically secure information, and so we had to basically reform our entire security state, because prior to the Second World War, we had such a high trust society. It was so homogenous, we didn’t even need to have a formal intelligence agency. We just didn’t have any fucking traitors in the country!

 

So that was a big shift.

 

And then, yeah, from the forties to the late sixties, you just see this gradual kind of erosion. You know, this kind of globalist culture gets projected in, the television is invented.

 

Lana Lokteff: It’s like the same story in every White country, basically. That’s the same model at that point, right? Starts seeping in. Thomas, anything you wanted to add?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: Joel’s got a very good understanding, very strong understanding of the history.

 

The only thing that I would add to it is all of the prime ministers at the time that threw us under the bus and sided with world jewry. Their push politically to transform Australia from a White nation into a multicultural nation or multiracial nation came. The crucial years were between 1966 and 1975. So you hear this everywhere. This is the same crucial years as America, same crucial years as Britain. And in that period of time, the jews had been in Australia in significant numbers, in enough numbers to properly, politically, mobilize for at least, 200 years. And that gave them the time to start building these lobby groups, these ethnic lobby groups, and they disguised all these lobby groups with all these different names. So they were called strange names, like Community Affairs or Lobby for a Future Australia, or they had all these, like, very almost meaningless names, but some of them were actually, like, organized lobbies for world jewry or international jewry or whatever, Zionist federations. And they had so many of these lobbies, and they just put a front man, like a rabbi in charge of each one.

 

And then they put all this sort of like the jews are very good at just mounting paperwork on top of a politician. You know, they just love coming to court. They don’t need the truth! They don’t need the jewish legal system is like, kind of the opposite of like a, what is it? Laconic or Spartan kind of legal system. It’s not really about who’s correct, it’s not about who’s right. It’s not about who’s thorough. And ten words can beat a thousand lies. They’re more about the thousand lies.

 

And so they just mounted all this paperwork on the government to say that all these different communities would benefit if we didn’t have such strict immigration laws. And there was a test case maybe ten years earlier where there was an Australian soldier, I believe, that came back from the Korean war with a Korean war bride. And it was national news. It was like the biggest travesty at the time. It was like everyone was gossiping about it. All the sort of low end newspapers were all having a go at this guy, basically for picking up an Asian. Like, one Asian war bride was national news back in the fifties, the good old age. It was like a test case, and I can’t remember the exact details of it. I’m sure someone in the chat will know. But the test case was, I’m pretty sure the whole country wanted him deported to Korea. They were just like, and I think there was a quote from one of the most senior politicians of the day that said something like:

 

“Two wongs don’t make a White!”

 

There’s just all this hilarious, like, memeology, like, racist banter is just at the core of Australian spiritual and political discourse.

 

And anyway, the real power that the jews had wasn’t in these fake lobbies. That was just all this mounting pressure is just so that the traitor in government, when he’s explaining to all the people that aren’t necessarily on board with his treason, he can say:

 

“Oh, but look at all this expert witness and expert advice and all these lobbies!”

 

And they’ve got this kind of like intellectual and legal backing behind them.

 

But really what caused the shift was all of these prime ministers during this time period and after are all multi, multi millionaires. If they’re still alive.

 

I mean, we’re talking in the hundreds of millions of dollars. And they own property. They own property.

 

So the jews took control of the property development and they let in these prime ministers on their boards as directors. When these prime ministers left office, they became property developers and most of them became real estate agents to China. Most of them would travel over regularly to China and they basically became prostitutes. Prostitutes of the property market. So they got paid more than 30 pieces of silver, they got paid in the hundreds of millions of dollars to change these legislations in the sixties and seventies to destroy our nation.

 

So that’s all I want.

 

Lana Lokteff: And now Australia is full of Chinese. I remember even when I was there in 2008, I would say that was the largest demographic that I saw, like:

 

“Oh, wow, there’s lots of Chinese people in Australia!”

 

I didn’t expect that.

 

Now, what is the situation like today? Because I saw this clip that was going around on time. you know, Melbourne 2024. We can queue that up. Plate. What does it look like when you walk around Australia now, demographics wise? I mean, are there areas where White people are a minority now?

 

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Joel Davis: Now there’s yellow flight to get away from all the Indians and blacks. So.

 

Lana Lokteff: Yeah, because it’s not a Kumbaya fest with White people out of the picture either.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, but that’s the scale now, like the major, like when you. Sydney and Melbourne are our two largest cities. About half the population of Australia live in either Sydney or Melbourne. And both of those cities, I would say a majority non-White. Sydney, definitely. Melbourne may be 50 50 at best.

 

Lana Lokteff: I mean, this has happened fast too. I mean, quick.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. When I was.

 

When I was a kid, the country was well over 90% White.

 

And I remember areas Where I lived and grew up in, and I remember, you know, my first memories is like six, seven, eight years old. And just like, I would see one Asian and it would be kind of strange.

 

And now you go to the same area and there isn’t one White person there! Just total transformation at a very rapid speed. The last ten to 20 years in particular, the accelerator pedal is just a brick has been thrown on it. When the White Australia Policy was first deconstructed in the seventies, we fought this war against the Vietnamese, and we probably shouldn’t have done that. We brutalized them. All of the anti-Vietnam war propaganda was quite strong at the time.

 

So we should take some refugees from Vietnam because we displaced them with our imperialism or whatever.

 

And so they brought them in and then they started opening to the Chinese.

 

And, I mean, obviously I’m no fan of yellow immigration, but the yellow races maybe a little bit more agreeable than some of the other ones. I think if they opened the Gates and said:

 

“Hey, let’s take a bunch of immigrants from Nigeria!”

 

I don’t think that people would have been as permissive. Right?

 

So they started bringing them in first, and then when you get to the nineties, then maybe some Middle Easterners start coming in and then, yeah, that created a reaction, the anti-Islam reaction.

 

And now lately, it’s like, I’m going to say majority Indian, but it’s definitely the largest demographic. Like, statistically, Indians are the largest non-White demographic in Australia. They’re the fastest growing demographic in Australia. Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of them come in every year.

 

Our prime minister prostitutes himself to the Indian government. Every time he meets with the Indian prime minister, he has to sign a new agreement. That makes it even easier for Indians to immigrate here.

 

And, yeah, they’re just basically flooding the country in such a rapid way now.

 

Lana Lokteff: Are they telling you guys, just like in America and everywhere else:

 

“You need to celebrate becoming a minority? You stole the land from the Aboriginals!”

 

You know, we get that all the time:

 

“You don’t own the land, you stole it!”

 

You know, racism, colonialism, slavery.

 

“Therefore we get to flood you with the entire third world and you have to celebrate it. And it’s so wonderful to become a minority!”

 

Are you guys are getting the same kind of arguments thrown at you, right?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, more or less.

 

But also, they don’t even have that argument a lot of the time. They just talk about how great it is for the economy, basically. Now all the media reports are actually:

 

“This is really bad! It’s causing a housing crisis. We’re taking too many immigrants. Isn’t that kind of a shame?”

 

And then we have, like a fake debate about how should we reduce immigration by 20% or 30%. And this is all framed in economic language to make it as boring as possible.

 

And so the question of identity isn’t even raised in the positive or the negative. That’s basically the strategy of mainstream politics, because they know that immigration is wildly unpopular!

 

So they don’t actually want the debate to go where we want the debate to go, because as soon as it goes there, it gets polarized, inflammatory in a way that makes their position untenable.

 

So generally, that’s how Australian politics functions. They try to make Australian politics as boring, non-ideological, pragmatic and economistic as possible so that they can try and get the population to check out and not pay attention and not identify with any particular side of any issue and just keep basically narrow mindedly focusing on entertainment and their personal lives.

 

Australia is one of the most apolitical societies probably in the world. That’s a real big contrast between us and, I think, the United States. In America, whether you’re a Democrat, or a Republican, this is really, socially, important. In Australia, most people don’t even discuss politics insofar as they do they don’t really have very robust political identities. They don’t have, like, there isn’t very strong party loyalty in the average person or anything like that, or ideological identity.

 

So that’s more the strategy, I think. Yeah, like, obviously Leftists say that:

 

“Yeah, we stole the land off the Aboriginals. What right do we have?”

 

And there’s often, like, historical revisionism where they pretend like, as if., … Because it is true that in the 19th century there were non-White immigration. There was non-White immigration into Australia. It wasn’t actually Australia yet. It was still a series of British colonies.

 

But that’s the whole reason, actually, why Australia was created, because basically that caused White nationalism to grow in Australia. And the White nationalist movement basically demanded that Australia be formed, demanded this from the Crown, so that we could basically deport all the non-Whites and keep them out of the country.

 

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And the first thing that the Australian government ever did once it was formed was literally passed the White Australia Policy, literally pass Immigration Restriction Act. And they basically mass deported the non-Whites that were here almost entirely as the first act of the Australian government.

 

So they don’t actually mention any of that they just say:

 

“Oh, there’s always been Chinese people here and there’s always been non-Whites here, and they’ve always contributed to the country. And don’t they work so hard?”

 

And that’s typical kind of everything is reduced to economics.

 

Lana Lokteff: Now, you were saying that your average person there doesn’t really talk about politics. I remember that, too, when I was there, although I wasn’t very political. Yeah, maybe they don’t get involved in political discussion until, let’s say, you’re a White nationalist, right? Then it becomes an issue. I mean, what are the views on White supremacy with your average Australian?

 

Thomas Sewell: I would say the discourse has changed massively in the last five years.

 

And as Joel mentioned earlier, we have had such a surge in Indians in the last five years.

 

And I think this is strategic from the Australian government, and I think it’s also why the Canadian government is doing it as well. There is potentially war with China on the cards, and we have a fifth column of somewhere between one in 3 million Chinese people in this country, depending on whether you count citizens, permanent residents, students, or all the various different types of visas where they can teach yoga or paint nails or something, as a skilled worker, of course.

 

And so the government is really trying to. They’ve realized they’re unbalanced. When Canada and Australia talk about we’re the most successful, you know, multicultural societies. What they’re talking about is they’re gloating. They’re saying:

 

“We have most successfully worked out how to balance all the fifth columns so no one fifth column stands out.”

 

So we’ve got a series of fifth columns, so many of them that we can keep the table up. It doesn’t displace the table.

 

So what they’re doing is they’re pumping the country full of Indians to try to restabilize their fifth columns so that China doesn’t have this over. They need at least as many Indians security guards to lock as many Chinese people in the camps as they can, if we did actually go to war and to negate their influence.

 

But at the same time, they are flooding the country with a lot of Arabs. They are flooding the country with way more Africans than there’s ever been and that’s another factor. We never had Africans. We had, when I was in high school, I only knew of one African family in ten grid squares, and they were the child of some African warlord where we gave some African country $20 million, and the guy just took all the money and then fled to Australia and that was the only African in the entire Eastern suburbs that I grew up in.

 

Obviously, some of the other areas had been hit by Africans, the bioweapon, a little earlier, maybe five years earlier, but there were no Africans in Australia. It was like not even 0.001% of the population. And now they’re starting to get, I think, over 0.5% of the population. And obviously, you know, this sounds really small, but they breed at a very high rate, and certain suburbs, they’ve completely taken over.

 

So what White people are seeing, in my opinion, is they’ve seen a relatively “successful multiculturalism”. And I don’t like to use that term, that’s their term.

 

But what they’ve seen is a multiculturalism where it’s sort of Kumbaya. It’s kind of Kumbaya. It’s kind of all worked out. We’ve just got the boomers will say:

 

“But how good’s the food?”

 

And now our generation specifically can’t get a rental. As you put up, the mortgages are through the roof because the demand on housing is so high. Suburbs have been completely either Chinesified if you grew up in a kind of upper class area, or they’ve been Indianified if you’re in a kind of lower middle class area, or they’ve been Africanized if you’re in a really lower class, working class area. So this, every demographic, or in some instances, it’s been sort of like Arabs can kind of blend through the three.

 

Joel Davis: There’s rich Arabs.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, Pacific Islanders as well, if you’re in a poor area. So every White person in Australia has experienced the negatives of diversity by one or multiple ethnic groups. And they’ve watched these fifth columns take over suburbs. So especially in the last five years, it’s been so rapid! I think up until a couple years ago, the majority of our immigrants, even though we were immigrating a lot of Chinese, the majority of our immigration was still European. We were still getting, like about 40% from England alone. I think like 10, 15 percent from New Zealand, which again, was mostly White flight people running away from the sort of high taxation and “Maori love” that New Zealand’s obsessed with, my family and, yeah, so it was still majority White. Now it’s not majority White. And the area that I live in, outer Eastern suburbs of Melbourne, when I just moved here about three or four years ago, or actually it was before prison, probably four years ago, it was probably 10% Indian.

 

And now it’s probably like 50 or 60% Indian, and it’s just rapid.

 

And also, there’s been a completely complete different change in the type of Indian as well.

 

So when we grew up, I lived in a multicultural area, went to a multicultural school, and there were people in my friendship group that were Chinese or Sri Lankan or Indian. Their fathers were all highly educated. They were very anglicized. They spoke very properly with a very proper, so English or American accent. They went to international schools. They were kind of the upper class of China, Korea, India, Sri Lanka. They were almost always Christians as well. So that almost all of them actually got their visas through the Church.

 

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So that’s something that’s not mentioned much, but I mention it because I allowed to be critical, but that was the kind of Indians and Chinese that we were getting. We weren’t getting these kind of really low caste, fake educated. Like, they’ve got the piece of paper saying they’re an engineer, but it’s obviously a fraud piece of paper. They’re very low IQ. They don’t speak English, most of them, and if they do, it’s very poor.

 

And so people are no longer interacting with a Chinese person or an Indian person that is putting on the White flesh. You know, these Chinese and Indians that moved here 20 years ago, they had the White flesh on. They were skin-walkers.

 

Lana Lokteff: So they can kind of make it work.

 

Thomas Sewell: They could walk and talk and act.

 

And I remember going, I had a Sri Lankan friend in primary school, and I would go to his house and his father was a banker and actually worked with one of my family, friends who was also a banker. Like a branch branch banker and like your local banker, not like fucking some big jew and, you know what I mean? Like, anyway, not a tower, but like a branch manager.

 

Anyway. So and he would talk with this proper English accent and you know, he talk about all the things that we did in school, and it was like a skin-walker. It was like the Sri Lankan guy just acting and walking and talking exactly like us. And it was fascinating!

 

But now it’s just everywhere you go, everywhere you go now it’s just like you’re surrounded by thousands of Indians, and they’re all speaking Punjabi or Hindi or whatever, and they’re all on the phone constantly. So you go into a 711, and then you’re like:

 

“Yeah, pump six.”

 

You go into a gas station, you go into servo, and the guy’s like, you go up to the Indian, you’re like:

 

“Yeah, pump six.”

 

And the guy’s like:

 

“Ding, ding, ding, ding!”

 

And then he’s like:

 

“Sorry, what? Sorry, what?”

 

And you’re like. And you’re like:

 

“Pump six!”

 

And he’s like, dingling. Ding, ding, ding!

 

Lana Lokteff: God, that’s annoying.

 

Thomas Sewell: Day in day 8.98, 08.98, $9.89. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. And you’re like:

 

“What the!”

 

Lana Lokteff: It’s almost, like, tricked you guys. Like, okay, we’ll have the best of these races come in and show you how awesome multiculturalism and diversity can be.

 

And then eventually, well, just let in the scum of the world. Right, and flood you until you’re a minority. Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes.

 

Lana Lokteff: But that’s not also an argument saying:

 

“Oh, we want merit based mass immigration population.”

 

Neither.

 

Joel Davis: We’ve just been a great argument against it, actually. It shows the pitfalls. I’d much rather have the terrible immigrants so that people become more racist and realize what we’re dealing with here.

 

Lana Lokteff: Yeah.

 

So let’s talk about activist persecution in Australia. I mean, and how bad is it? I saw Elijah Schaffer put up this tweet getting into a little bit about what’s happening there, and it’s like, America, you know, we’ve been de-banked, we’ve been banned from all kinds of platforms written about by the journalists and called all kinds of things.

 

But this is happening in Australia to de-banked. You’re getting banned. Federal police is calling. Was it gyms? And pressuring to cancel your memberships, even stopping by houses for basically wellness checks. Right? So how bad is it? I know they were doing some of this stuff during Covid too. It is insane!

 

But now they’re really focusing on nationalists again. Right? Have you seen this list, Thomas, you’re reading?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, we, …

 

Lana Lokteff: We gave him this list.

 

Thomas Sewell: I’ll let Joel answer this one to start with, because I’m not sure exactly how much we can say on this.

 

On the Schaffer question, because we did an interview with Schaffer. I’m sure you all can start off with and, …

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, well, yeah, well, I mean, as for the persecution of nationalist activists in Australia, it’s not as bad as in Britain. I would say the UK probably is the worst country in the world for persecuting White nationalists, other than, I guess, maybe the Russian Federation and Germany. Yeah, yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: Russia and Germany would be the two worst.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. But the Germans have kind of adapted because they’ve been under occupation for so long.

 

So they’ve adapted more to that environment where, like, I think in Britain, people thought that we had rights, and then they tried to exercise their rights. And people like Sam Melia are now in jail, and they’re banned from even, like, seeing pictures of their own, you know, children, babies, because they made stickers that were too nationalistic or something.

 

So obviously, we’re not at that level yet.

 

But in Australia, the basically the state has admitted the security services have admitted that between about a half and a third of their resources go on White nationalism.

 

Lana Lokteff: Jeez.

 

Joel Davis: And the rest goes on, I guess, like, Islamic terrorism and maybe, like, Chinese subversion or something.

 

Anyway, so, yeah, they’ve got however many thousands of agents listening to every single one of Tom and I’s phone calls and so on.

 

I guess I don’t know what they do. We’re law abiding citizens, so they probably. They have to waste a lot of their time surveilling us and realizing that we’re law abiding citizens.

 

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But basically, yeah, any little thing that they can do to drag one of our guys before the courts on some ridiculous charge. We’ve seen a lot of that lately. Tom is getting harassed by police who are trying to, right now, actually trying to put charges on him for leading a peaceful political rally down a street where no violent altercations occurred.

 

No one got hurt, no projectiles were thrown. Literally just marched down the street chanting, marched back, went home. Apparently, this is. They’re investigating him for the crime of, quote, “grossly offensive behavior”. So apparently, there’s a law now in the state of Victoria that grossly offensive behavior is a crime, whatever that means. So, apparently, if you’re in public and you have a political slogan that offends somebody that’s a crime.

 

But it’s not a crime if you’re a gay Mardi Gras and you’re dancing naked in front of children.

 

Lana Lokteff: That’s right.

 

Joel Davis: I might find that grossly offensive, but I’m a Nazi, so therefore doesn’t count for some reason.

 

So, yeah, it is pretty crazy! Like, the level of absurdity that they’re taking things. We have other associates who are also being dragged before the courts for, quote, unquote, “grossly offensive behavior”. I think in their instance, what happened was they had T-shirts on. The shirt was a chudjack*. If people don’t know what a chudjack is, I guess Google it. And it said “6 million. That’s a bit much, mate”, underneath the chudjack. And they were throwing Roman salutes.

 

[* Chudjack often represents people who are deemed “chuds.” What is a Chud? “Chud” is a slang term used online that generally refers to a dislikeable person. A chud is also someone who exists far outside social norms, and not in a good way.]

 

Now, Roman salutes are now illegal in Australia. You can go to jail for doing a Roman salute in public. That was laws that the jews really pushed for in response to us, basically, because previously, Tom in particular, was a very big fan of the Roman salute. Now we can’t do it. But unfortunately, Tom, do you do them?

 

Lana Lokteff: At home when you make coffee in the morning?

 

Thomas Sewell: I know that Jacob, her son, does them at home all the time. I’ve kind of got my technique down pat.

 

Lana Lokteff: Come on, we gotta have fun with this. My God! Can’t even have fun.

 

Thomas Sewell: I talk. Yeah, it’s spiritual. The reason why I was saying before, I’m not sure how deep we can go into this subject was very recently, Joel and I did interviews with Elijah Schaeffer, and I think that’s what stimulated him to make that post about police persecution, not just because of what happened to Michael Nelson, but also the largest chunk of the interview that I did with him was on police persecution.

 

So I don’t want to double up the subject too much because that will be released in the future. But I wasn’t sure if we could talk about it yet, because Elijah was trying to get out of Australia without being hassled by ASIO.

 

Because just talking to me in this country can cause you some issues. And the police do that on purpose. They can see that what we’re doing is working, that our meta-political strategy is effective, and that we are changing public discourse through inspiration, through passion, through courage, and just being able to go against the grain, to go against the flow of this communist aversion, and to just be a symbol of standing up to that and not bowing down to that.

 

And as you put in these photos up, these young guys here are in our organization.

 

Lana Lokteff: And he just had his bank account banned, too, right? The guy on the left?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yes, he did. The guy on the left. Yep.

 

And those two young guys, they came to me. They’ve been involved for over two years now, and about twelve months of them being involved in the organization, they actually came to me.

 

And one of them tried to fly somewhere, or he tried to go somewhere.

 

I can’t remember what the exact circumstance was, but he was told by someone within the bureaucracy of the government that he was a national security threat, that he was defined as an., … One of his brothers is in the army, one of them, their brother is in the army, and their brother had to basically disassociate from them because they’re a national security threat. And these were just guys that were coming down to the park, and we were just training. We were doing push ups at the park. We were going for a run.

 

Lana Lokteff: That’s right. Didn’t you have a boxing fitness club, too? And they were worried about it because they’re okay, because you could start a military with that, right? Guys, White guys working out and being able to defend themselves.

 

I mean, they’re freaking out about the caveat.

 

Joel Davis: We would never try.

 

Thomas Sewell: They’re freaking out for many reasons. But to clarify, that list of Schaffer’s things, that list is basically all the things that I covered in that interview.

 

So, yeah, that I think it’s very important for people to realize that strength creates strength in others. And when there’s a symbol of a man, it’s not even the man himself, but when a symbol of a man stands up.

 

And that’s why the Roman salute was so significant.

 

And that’s why I love the Roman salute so much. Because every time I went to court and they were trying to make me out like I was evil and horrible because I defended myself or defended those that I cared about, they always try to make it out like I was a shameful, horrible character. And they would always take photos of me when I was walking out of the corridor. They would wait for me to start talking, and then they would get, like, managed to get a screen grab. They would even use photos that they took. They would use screen grabs from the videos of me, like, mid sentence going, like, classic.

 

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Lana Lokteff: Yeah. You know they want to make you look bad. That’s their joke.

 

Thomas Sewell: The most kind of disgusting form of journalism. Yeah, I love that image. That’s a great painting. And then I realized, like, you can’t just be reasonable and rational with these people. You can sit there and have the most articulate and intellectual and polite conversation about why you believe what you believe, and they’ll just screen grab your face in a contorted manner, put that up, and then put this, like, doom and gloom caption over who you are. And I was just like, fuck it. It’s mask off. Every time I go to court, I’m just throwing a Roman!

 

I’m just going to stand there and then, and I’ll take a photo of that. And I worked out that that will be what the photo they’ll use. They’ll use that because that’s so horrible from their perspective. But what I believe that it did to the discourse was, so many people are afraid of journalists. They’re afraid of the confrontation. They’re afraid of being shamed.

 

And I see the media and its smear campaign similar to, you’re in a village. I like to condense everything down to 100 people and think of a village mindset and understand what dynamic is going on in that tribe or that village, and how is that affecting the village. And then can you expand that philosophy or that microcosm into the macrocosm of 100 million people, or a billion people? And I saw this smear campaign, this doxxing from journalists and online Antifa and stuff, as just, they want to parade you through the town and throw rotten vegetables at you.

 

And if you kind of cower and hide your face, no, you don’t want to do that you know, if you do stuff like that, then, then you deserve the tomatoes. You deserve the rotten tomatoes. And the public:

 

“Yeah, look at this coward. Look at this shameful character. Let’s throw the cabbages at his head!”

 

And:

 

“Oh, that hurt him. That affected him.”

 

But if you just stand there and throw a Roman salute, they can throw as many tomatoes as they want, eventually going to stop throwing tomatoes. You’re like, these tomatoes aren’t working. This guy, you can’t shame this guy, no matter how much you throw your crap at him. It’s just like, you’re just a crap thrower. You’re just a craft throw. And all these doxes and Antifas and stuff. When we just say:

 

“Yes, okay, yes, I’m a Nazi. Yes, I’m a supremacist. Yes, I’m a whatever it is you think I’m sure, yes, absolutely!”

 

And you stand there and you’re fit and healthy, and you throw the Roman. It’s just, it just emanates. It’s a spiritual war.

 

And that’s why the jews had to ban it. The jews saw my strategy, like, inspired all these young kids started throwing out. I was, after I was taking photos, after I had the photo taken of the Roman salute like that, and after we had a few rallies and were throwing the Roman salute at the rally, I would just drive past on my way home from work, and there would be like, year twelve kids in their blazes at the bus stop waiting for a bus, and I’ll be at the lights and I just throw a Roman at them. I would just throw a Roman at them because it wasn’t illegal at that point.

 

So I would just be like, as just a social experiment, I’d throw a Roman at them. Just healthy White footy boys, you know, footy boys in their school uniforms and sometimes girls as well with them. And I would throw a Roman and they would almost always throw it back and the girls would all giggle. And I’m just thinking of the, …

 

Lana Lokteff: Cause it’s fun because you’re not supposed to do it, right?

 

Joel Davis: Exactly!

 

Lana Lokteff: Come on! It’s the cookie jar syndrome.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. And I would drive off at the lights. I would drive off and I look in the rearview mirror and there’d just be 18 year olds just throwing romans back at me.

 

And I was like:

 

“This is winning! This is what winning feels like! This is a Cultural Revolution!”

 

They’ve demonized it so much, but young kids, they’re just like:

 

“What’s wrong with it? Why can’t I do it? It feels good. It feels powerful to do it. You know, we’re not getting in our hands and knees and praying. We’re standing upright and throwing it!”

 

And so powerful.

 

Joel Davis: And so now in Australia, they blur out the arms like, as if, like it’s like genitals or something. So, like today you see arms, like, they’ll get this picture, they’ll put it up on the news and they’ll blur every single.

 

Lana Lokteff: We all know what it is. I mean, come on!

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, I know. It’s crazy! Crazy! Like, as if there’s going to be jews at home. If they see those arms, they’re going to be like:

 

“Oh, God! And we have to protect them from that horrible experience and, like, blur it out!”

 

It’s insane!

 

Thomas Sewell: So now it’s twelve months in jail. Twelve months!

 

Lana Lokteff: Holy crap!

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. And $20,000 fine.

 

Lana Lokteff: I mean, migrant rapists don’t even get that, you know?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, well, exactly! Well, when I was at court last, there was an African that had raped sexually, seriously, sexually assaulted five women while on bail. And he had run through people’s homes with machetes. And he was sentenced to twelve months and he was released early at six months.

 

I mean, this happens every day. And he wasn’t on the news, but I was on the news.

 

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Lana Lokteff: Yeah. And didn’t you get into some confrontation with a guy who happened to be black?

 

And then what was he got six months of jail time and like a hardcore prison, is that correct?

 

Thomas Sewell: That’s close to correct.

 

Lana Lokteff: Okay.

 

Thomas Sewell: There was two. There was two incidences within a period of about a month of each other, and one of them was Channel Nine, which is like the main.

 

Lana Lokteff: Oh, yes, I remember.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. They put up a video. They put up on a current affair episode, which is kind of like a real crappy version of 60 minutes.

 

And they also run 60 minutes here in Australia.

 

So whatever the channel is in America that runs 60 minutes, Channel Nine is the equivalent of that channel. And they ran a segment basically saying that we were terrorists next door because we were training and because we were hiking and we were basically like the White Taliban and we were about to commit a terror attack.

 

So I went down to Channel nine to just confront them and say, this is like, interview me, have a conversation, and I’ll tell the Australian public what we’re doing and why we’re doing it.

 

Lana Lokteff: There’s the blur! There’s the blur! Yeah, yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: And so instead of doing that, they just ignored me. They just said:

 

“No, we’re not interested in talking to you. Go away.”

 

And so I started making a speech at the front, and then they moved us on. So we walked outside and I started making a speech out the front of the building in the public.

 

And then the security guard, the African security guard who was looking for a fight, he was very, very jarred up, very jacked up because he could hear what I was talking about.

 

And so when these people are confronted in this state, they become immediately aggressive. You know how Africans are. You guys live in America.

 

Lana Lokteff: Yes.

 

Thomas Sewell: So.

 

And then he moved us on again. So we complied and moved on again.

 

And as we’re moving to this, like, arbitrary line, the Drano line is what it’s called, the Drano line. Wherever the Drano line is, we’re moving to the Drain O line, which is like 30 or 40 meters away from the building, the African starts dancing kind of like the George Floyd dance. Have you seen the video of George Floyd with the banana before he got killed?

 

Lana Lokteff: Yes. Yes, I did.

 

Thomas Sewell: Where he’s like.

 

Lana Lokteff: That was like.

 

Thomas Sewell: He’s like, in the supermarket and he’s like doing this monkey dance.

 

Lana Lokteff: Yeah, he really.

 

Thomas Sewell: Well, it’s like cosmic and spiritual because this guy started doing the same dance. It was like he was cosmically attuned with the George Floyd.

 

And so he started doing the monkey dance in front of Jacob. And Jacob, being the shit stirrer that he is, said:

 

“All right, dance monkey!”

 

Which is a famous song by a chick called Tones. She’s like a fat dyke.

 

But anyway, that was like one of those popular songs of that month, I think. It was like, dance with me, dance with me. Dance for me. And that was playing, like, constantly. It was like, just cosmic. It was just in the was in the ether, you see. And this guy starts doing the George Floyd monkey dance. And then it’s like, dance for me. Dance for me. And then Jacob just said:

 

“Yeah, all right. Dance for me. Like, dance monkey!”

 

And then he got all aggressive and he was like:

 

“I’m not your dance monkey!”

 

And then he throat punched Jacob. Just full, just left hand stretched out, throat punched him. And I’m standing like maybe 2 meters away.

 

And you can see the CCTV footage. I don’t know if you’ve got a copy of it, but you might want to play it for you, for your guys, but for me, sort of, …

 

Joel Davis: Have the negro get bashed for everyone to see. It’s good. It’s good viewing.

 

Thomas Sewell: It is good viewing. It’s very good viewing because I copped a lot of flack from it, from the kind of softer types that are like:

 

“Oh, my God, Tom is a maniac! He’s a barbarian. Tom, he’s not fit for leadership because look at how he reacted and look at how he behaved in this instance.”

 

And it’s like, yeah, yeah, I’m a defender of the folk. I’m a fighter. I’m a defender. People like:

 

“I’m polite, I’m respectful, I’m peaceful, I’m lawful.”

 

But if you put your hands on us, if you put your hands on me, if you put your hands on people that I care about, I’m putting you down. I’m going to put you down or I’m going to die. It’s just one or the other. I’m going to assert dominance, I’m going to be over the top of you, or I’m going to die in the process. But there’s no in between. For me, it’s zero or 100! I’ll be polite, I’ll be respectful, I’ll be lawful.

 

But this is how I feel about the government. They’re trying to hurt us. They’re terrorizing us, they’re attacking us. They’re allowing us to be firebombed. They’re hurting us.

 

So it’s like, they’re not taking down the government. Absolutely not! The government’s working to destroy us. They want to silence.

 

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Joel Davis: That’s another story that we should probably mention, by the way, with another associate of ours. His name’s Tim Lutz. He actually ran a boxing gym and had us all training there until they basically took his boxing gym away from him for his association with us.

 

But anyway, he had been harassed by Antifa many times due to his, well, he’s part of the organization. He’s one of the leaders of the organization.

 

And anyway, the end of last year, he wakes up to an explosion. Him, in bed next to his pregnant wife, goes outside.

 

And basically his car had been blown up in the driveway by communist terrorists. Naturally. Yeah. Thankfully, they didn’t, … They were trying to blow up the other car, I believe, as well.

 

And basically the Molotov cocktail didn’t function correctly, it could have been far worse. They could have potentially set fire to the house with his children and his pregnant wife.

 

Lana Lokteff: Let me guess, there was no terrorist investigationx Police did.

 

Joel Davis: There was absolutely no investigation whatsoever for an act of terror! But apparently we’re terrorists and 50% of the anti-terrorism police budget has to go on surveilling us!

 

But then when actual terrorists attack us, somehow they don’t have any resources to investigate that.

 

Lana Lokteff: Well, that’s their whole plan in this anti-White establishment. Yeah. We have zero protections. Yeah. Here’s this in the video. Right, of Thomas there. So you went to jail, Thomas, for., … Was it for this?

 

Thomas Sewell: So what they did was they raided our house, they stole all our electronics, and they bailed me because I have no criminal history. And because the way the Australian bail laws work is if you have very little or no criminal history and it’s a first offense, you’re basically guaranteed bail. Unless it’s like a murder, or a terror attack, you’re basically guaranteed bail. So I got bailed for that.

 

And then about a month later, while I was on bail, we were out in the bush. We were doing one of our hikes. We do hikes almost every month, at least every second month. And we’re on a hike and we were ambushed by. There was a conspiracy by Channel Nine.

 

So the same people that were calling us terrorists had actually paid a private contractor to infiltrate our group to pretend to be a racist. Well, he didn’t have to pretend he was a racist. He was kind of old truckie guy, and he actually worked as a trucker. So we did vet this guy. There was really not much we could do about someone at this level of professionality. We ticked every box that we could and he was exactly who we said he was. But what we didn’t know was on the side.

 

He actually worked as a subcontractor and was hired by Channel Nine to disrupt our group. And he was organizing with Antifa and with ASIO. So he was meeting with journalists, he was meeting with Antifa and he was meeting with ASIO to disrupt our organization. And they had ASIO in the bushes waiting for us. They had counter terrorism follow us up there. There was a whole bunch of Antifa that knew we were at that, where we parked our cars. And they have a habit of attacking our cars. About two weeks earlier, they damaged Jacob’s car, my car, at our address.

 

So obviously they got that from this informant. He had passed on that information as to where our address was and where our cars were so that they could continue their pressure on us.

 

And then there was an incident in this park. These people followed us. They were filming us when someone confronted them and asked them to just leave us alone. They then got in their vehicle and actually ran over some of these young guys.

 

And then a whole discourse erupted after they ran over a bunch of guys and crashed into a rock. And they almost killed me or potentially put me in like a wheelchair because I almost got crushed between the car and the rock, only to jump out of the way.

 

And so this is like, I was looking at this and I was like, this is like an inverse version of, who’s the guy? Charlottesville. The guy doing like 190 years for like, trying to get his car out of there when he got mobbed by like 50 people. It’s kind of like an opposite version of that, where the roles are half reversed.

 

And anyway, that’s what these people did to us. My car was damaged in the process, so obviously things were going on there. The address that we were at, the exact car park, was leaked online.

 

So all the Antifa organizers were posting online and in the comments section of these leaks. Not leaks, but these posts were just all these Antifa activists saying:

 

“Oh, you know, it’d be ashamed if someone went down there and fired bombed these cars or slashed their tires.”

 

We had our tires slashed and I had a, like an impact driver, like a drill put through my tire, which is a common tactic of theirs. We have them on CCTV doing that.

 

Anyway, that all happened. And in that process, a couple of us were pretty badly injured. And about two days later, we got back to the house and we just said that was fucking out of control. You know, this is obviously escalating what the system is doing to us. We had a big meeting about it.

 

And anyway, about two days later, they sent the helicopter, the SWAT team, the Bearcat. They sent like the big armored vehicles and came in and kicked our doors in and pointed the machine guns at our families as you do.

 

And then they held me without bail for seven months.

 

The reason why they said that I couldn’t get bail even though I had been convicted of no crimes, was that they said I was making threats to the victims over the prison phones, and they never played those recordings in court. And it was a lie. The Counter Terrorism police are a political police, and they lied to the courts, openly lied to the courts to say that I was doing that they never provided the evidence that I was doing that.

 

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And what I was doing over the phone was the guys back at the headquarters were calling me.

 

So I was calling them and they were saying that we’ve found these social media of the Antifa guys that were at the park, and they’re all friends with these other main culprit people, and they’re friends on Facebook with the people that firebombed the informant’s car because they damaged the informant’s car and trailer about a week earlier. And we had that on CCTV. We hadn’t gone to the police because we didn’t operate like that. But we were building an information picture on these people, who they were, you know what schools they went to, what universities they went to, and their associates and their friends.

 

So we’re building an information picture on these people. And I was just saying over the phone, I said:

 

“Okay, like, screenshot everything and send it to my lawyer. Screenshot everything, send it to my lawyer, because we’ll expose all of this in court.”

 

And they said that that was threatening witnesses to screenshot the people that had firebombed our vehicles, to screenshot their Facebooks and to send those photos to my lawyer to expose this whole thing for what it was in court, in open court, that was threatening the witnesses. So they did everything they could to prevent us building a defense. They did everything they could to keep me in jail for seven months in solitary confinement. I was put in the Supermax.

 

So I was put in a punishment ward of Port Phillip prison, which is probably the worst prison in Australia. And I was put in the punishment, solitary confinement. The first six weeks I was in prison, I was basically in 24 hours lockdown. And in the remaining five months, I was in 23 hours lockdown, about five days a week, four days a week, 24 hours lockdown.

 

And they refused books and mail for several months. So I got no mail for about two and a half months, and I got no books for about five months. So they did everything they could to try to break me, and it didn’t work.

 

So here we are.

 

Lana Lokteff: It reminds me of the J six prisoners [Jan 6th], also in America. Same thing, guys that showed up to protest, right?

 

And then they get locked up in solitary confinement and tortured and starved and, like, yes, this is happening in our free societies, our democracy.

 

And then also what they did to.

 

Thomas Sewell: Me at nighttime was they wouldn’t let me sleep.

 

So when I was the first sort of six weeks I was in there, the Indian and African security guards would come in, and they would flip the lights on and off through the night. So they would do everything.

 

And then the White guards would come in the morning, I’d tell the White guards what had happened, and they’re just like:

 

“Oh, sorry, man. Oh and it’s like, this is unacceptable.”

 

Joel Davis: This is all for the crime of getting attacked by literal jewish communists. They were all jews. They were all gay jews.

 

Thomas Sewell: They were all gay jews.

 

Joel Davis: Gay jewish communists attacked him violently. Uh, you somewhat defended yourself, but, like, ultimately none of them were injured. Yeah, exactly! It wasn’t like no one got hurt. Like, they almost killed you or turned into a paraplegic, and then you get thrown in jail for eight months with a bunch of literal murderers. Everyone else around you, or all murderers, basically, right?

 

Thomas Sewell: I was the only one in the unit that wasn’t a murderer, or a terrorist.

 

Lana Lokteff: Oh, my God!

 

Thomas Sewell: See, that’s what I think is the funniest part. Here’s the funniest part is that they refused my run outs. They refused my run outs because you have to fill out a form to be able to run out and be in a cage. If you’ve seen that movie Shock Caller with that Jaime Lannister character from Game of Thrones, I can’t remember. He’s got, like, a Nordic name, or a Danish name or something. There’s that scene where he gets put in the Supermax, and then he’s locked in his cell the whole time, and then he gets, like, these, the run out yard. He’s like, putting a cage out in the open. It was actually worse than that. So imagine those cages, but then there’s concrete walls between them about 4 meters high, so barely any sun even comes in either. So at least they got, like, fresh open air. We were just kind of in the, it was like, just pigeonville. There was just pigeon shit everywhere. There was just hundreds of pigeons.

 

And it was dark and moldy, and the concrete walls were, like, 4 meters high. So even worse than if you watch Shock Caller. You know what I’m talking about?

 

And so you had to fill out a piece of paper to do run outs with other prisoners. And there was two White power gangs that were in that unit with me, and they were murderers. They were White guys that had just killed counts. And I was trying to run out with them so that I could have a social interaction because I hadn’t had an actual conversation in five months. And I got two run outs with these guys from the sort of skinhead gangs.

 

And then they removed my run outs off me because they were concerned for the good order of the prison. They were saying that if Tom runs out with these murderers, he’s going to radicalize them.

 

And so we can’t have these murderers running out with Tom. We have to keep Tom isolated. He’s not allowed.

 

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Lana Lokteff: So it’s not the murderers they’re worried about.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, there were terrorists, murderers, child rapists. And they can run out with each other. There was a run out where the child rapists would be out there, and all the prisoners would be screaming at them, just abusing them constantly.

 

And that’s how I know there were child rapists.

 

The child rapists were allowed to have friends. They were allowed to run out with each other. But a Whiteman that had two incidences of defending himself. Yeah, you got to segregate him from the yeah, you’ve got the you guys are great. You guys are so professional. Yeah, imagine that. But the cages that you can see. Imagine there’s like four meter concrete walls between them.

 

Lana Lokteff: It tells you what they view as their biggest threat. And it’s people that think like us and talk like us. That’s why they have no problem importing in murderers and rapists and thieves and all that. Right? Because they’re not really a threat to the system at the end of the day.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: What I said in the, … I’ll be very quick so we can change the topic. But what I said in the first podcast when I came out was I noticed that in the mainstream units, there was a lot of violence, a lot of ethnic violence, racial violence.

 

And a lot of the time it was White people that were the victims of this violence. And when White people were the victims, they were then segregated. So if the islanders controlled a unit, a mainstream unit like the Pacific Islanders, and they attacked, like, a group of White guys, and they won that fight, the White guys were then separated and segregated, so they were put in protection or isolation or moved to another unit, another mainstream unit. And this happened over and over again!

 

I heard stories of these things and then over the concrete wall and then when there was an incident where the opposite happened where a group of Islanders and Africans attacked a White kid and then a more powerful gang of White guys got “retribution”, we’ll call it, I won’t say exactly what happened, but they did what they needed to do and fucked some people up, allegedly.

 

And then what corrections did then was for the good order of the prison. They then segregated all the White guys in this group. So they didn’t know who did it. They didn’t know which one did it or which group of the group did it. But the whole group, the whole gang, they split up. So that painted a really clear picture to me that when Whites are the victims, they get double victimized. When Whites are the victims, the government will stomp you, the government will segregate you, the government will disempower you. But when Whites are the aggressor or when Whites are the victors, when we are winning, the government will stomp you, the government will segregate you. Like big daddy government comes in and it’s just like:

 

“No, you can’t do that. You’re not allowed to do that.”

 

So it doesn’t matter whether you win or lose, the government’s going to come in and treat you as horrible.

 

So if I had lost that fight against the African, I still would have been charged with assault and I would have been made out to be a loser on the television.

 

So what I tell people in our scene is if God puts you, if the universe or God, whatever you believe, puts you in a situation where you’re fighting for your life or you’re fighting for your honor, you’re fighting. If a sit like don’t look for these situations, but if you’re put in that situation, win, don’t lose! Win because you’re going to go to jail anyway, you’re going to get smeared anyway, you may as well look cool and tough, and the victor. And White people are so afraid of physical confrontation because they see on the media all these three guys in the US, they were, they confronted a robber in their house and they shot, killed them with a shotgun and now they’re in jail for life. And even the guy that filmed it. And there’s always like black pill stories like:

 

“Oh, look at what happened!”

 

And it’s like, but how many thousands of incidences have happened where the black robber kills the White person? You know?

 

So it’s like if God puts you in that situation, you’re fucked! You know? If God puts you in that situation, you’ll go into jail! Or you’re dying.

 

So it’s like you’re gonna lose in some way regardless. You may as well lose in style. You may as well lose on your own terms. Like, if you’re doing seven months in solitary, honestly, solitude is a blessing. In the chaos of the society that we live in, solitude is a blessing. You know, you get the noises of the jungle, but if you can tune out the noises of the jungle, it’s honestly a blessing. And it was the best seven months of my life. It sucked! But struggle is the father of all things, and I can’t wait to do it again. Not because I’m a Martyr, or a psychopath or, …

 

But it’s just like, if God puts me in this position again I’m going to do the exact same thing. And people are like:

 

“Tom, you don’t learn your lesson. You keep using your fists!”

 

Lana Lokteff: And it’s like, yeah, don’t put yourself in that situation where violence is going to rise, right? Don’t show up at some of these places, but eventually.

 

But eventually it might find you anyway, because that’s the world that we live in.

 

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Thomas Sewell: We can’t run away forever. And I’ve never looked for violence. I’ve never seeked violence, and but violence confronts you. And you have to make a decision sometimes between, do you live to fight another day? And I’m sure one day there will be a circumstance where I’m going to have to walk away from something. I’ll be like, hmm. Tactically, strategically and I can play the game. All right?

 

There’s been times we’ve been 40, 50 guys deep on the march, you know, we’re doing an activism, and the police have got the pepper spray out and they got the battons out, and it’s like, but there’s only ten police and there’s 50 of us. And I’m like:

 

“We could thump these cops right now. We could absolutely thump them. We could smash these cops. So easy right now. This is going to be awesome!”

 

And then I’ve made the call. Instead of smashing the cops, I’ve been like:

 

“Let’s live to fight another day!”

 

It will demoralize everyone a little bit. Everyone will be upset that we didn’t get to bash the police, but we’ll just walk away. We’ll just walk away. We’ll just move on. We know it’s unlawful, we know it’s against our rights and everything, but we’ll just walk away and we’ll get a bit bigger and we’ll come back again. They’ll do the same thing. We’ll walk away, we’ll come back again, and one day we’re going to be bigger than the state. And when we are, then we’re not walking away. But until then, we’ll play the game.

 

So I can play the game. I’m not a strategic idiot, but when I’m faced with violence, when someone physically attacks me, I’m going to defend myself.

 

Lana Lokteff: So do you think some of that is also an Australian, like a cultural thing? Because when I was down there, it seemed like, no. Are they pretty neutered down there now? They’re not their rough and tough criminal elements anymore.

 

Thomas Sewell: I don’t believe in the stereotyping. I think that I have more in common with a man of hot blood, a Whiteman of hot blood. In America or in Sweden, everyone goes:

 

“Oh, Sweden’s cucked or England’s cucked or America’s cucked!”

 

Or it’s like there’s just a lot of cucks everywhere.

 

Lana Lokteff: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: And there’s only a few fighters. And I identify with the White fighters!

 

Lana Lokteff: Well, and they want men to be cucked. I mean, isn’t Australia. They’re creating a bureau of men’s behavior, right, to target guys to not become far-Right nationalists, right, to not become real men.

 

Joel Davis: They had a whole controversy here because there were these kids in high school who had a Discord server, like a private, which is a for those who don’t know what, Discord server is, basically a private chat app.

 

The other people that can see it are people that you invite in.

 

And so it’s basically their private chat. And they had a rating system for the other girls of their high school. You know, they had, like, “wifeys” at the top, then they had “cuties”, they had “mids”, and they had “objects”. And then I think the bottom was “unrapable”.

 

So I think I’m missing one.

 

But anyway, it was just this goofy., … They’re like 14 year old boys, some goofy thing that they’re doing. Somehow it got leaked, it got exposed, and it became a national news story that this is an “epidemic of misogyny”. We talked about it on our show, actually, and I said:

 

“Well, they’re clearly not misogynist. They’ve got people and they got wifeys, they got cuties, they’ve got all these positive, you know, female ratings. So, I mean, they clearly like some women.”

 

But anyway the point is that it’s just so ridiculous! Like, why is this news? And all these kids got expelled from the school and the principals getting interviewed on national news?:

 

“Oh, stamping out misogyny! We’ve got to address the culture and all this!”

 

I mean, it’s just absurd!

 

Meanwhile, you’ve got an epidemic of violence against women perpetrated by black women. Multiple in that same week, there was multiple instances of black women gang bashing young White girls. You have a month before that, you had a White grandma getting stabbed to death in front of her six year old granddaughter by a bunch of African criminals who then stole her car. You’ve got, obviously, we know that the non-White Africans and Arabs and so on way disproportionately guilty of rape.

 

So if you want to talk about violence against women or something that actually matters, not like some stupid rating system about which girls they like or don’t like at high school, but something that actually matters.

 

No, the news suppresses these stories! The news won’t report on them on the evening news properly. They’ll cover up. The same way that they blur out the Roman salute, they’ll blur out the criminal so that you can’t see what race they are.

 

Because they know that if they put that story front and center to the Australian people, everyone is obviously going to think racist thoughts. White people are going to see. Look at what these blacks have done:

 

“Look at what these Arabs have done to this defenseless White girl or White grandma. That’s horrifying! We need to get these people out of our country!”

 

So, yeah, they’re just total frauds! I mean, obviously, everyone watching this understands that, but it’s just fucking disgusting how fraudulent these people are!

 

And meanwhile, you’ve got the state., … Like, we were talking about Elijah Shaffer before he interviewed me on his show. The media does hit pieces against him about how racist he is and how horrible he is because he interviewed a neo-Nazi. Then apparently, he’s married to an Australian woman. So he was getting his Visa approved as a man who’s married to an Australian citizen to live here.

 

Now, his lawyers getting:

 

“ASIO are looking into your application now.”

 

So now his son is born in Australia. His wife is Australian. Now they’re trying to think about maybe deporting him, and freaking him.

 

Lana Lokteff: It’s amazing how quick they can deport a White guy when they’re a nationalist.

 

Joel Davis: Right, exactly!

 

Lana Lokteff: Amazing how quick they can mobilize for that.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah.

 

So this is what the state and the media are prioritizing. You know Tom gets dragged before the court and they’ve got to get the snapshot of neo-Nazi and so on.

 

These are the stories, but why aren’t they sticking the camera in the face of Arab rapists or Pacific Islander murderers?

 

Thomas Sewell: Indian sex pests. Every time I go to court, half of one of the floors, it’s obviously the sex pest level. There’s like six layers to the court.

 

And one of the layers, one of the floors is obviously sex pestery. They keep them isolated and they’re all Indians. They’re like all Indians. Like, it’ll be minimum 50%.

 

Lana Lokteff: Yeah, well, I’ve been to India as a teenager. I know how they treat White girls over there!

 

Thomas Sewell: And you will see maybe once a year, you will see once a year there’ll be some heinous crime against a White girl that’s put on television. But, like, cockroaches for everyone, you see, there’s like hundreds of thousands you don’t see. And these happen daily. Like, every White girl that I’ve ever met in Australia has a story about an Indian attempt at the rape or Indian attempt sex pestery. You know they’re just fucking disgusting!

 

Lana Lokteff: Well, hopefully this is sinking in that some of these girls are thinking racially, like, hey:

 

“It’s not these White Aussie guys!”

 

Right? And that brings me to. Yeah, go on.

 

Thomas Sewell: Sorry to interrupt, but you asked me a question quite earlier in the show about the general attitude of Australians, and that’s what I was trying to get to.

 

In conclusion, they’re seeing such a huge increase in being negatively affected themselves. They personally are suffering now. And now that they’re personally on the receiving end, whether it be through social and cultural factors like sex pestery, whether it be through seeing just the amount of home invasions and being personally affected by the amount of home invasions, whether it be not being able to afford a home or be involved in a home, seeing this stuff is radicalizing the average White Australian that’s not a communist freak.

 

To believing the following statement:

 

“I don’t necessarily agree with the Hitler stuff, but I support everything that you say.”

 

And every White person I’ve met that’s not a communist freak, in the last couple years, every single one has said to me, if they’re in the movement, then obviously they like the Hitler stuff. But every other White person I’ve met says:

 

“Tom, I agree with everything that you say. I’ve noticed everything that you say. I don’t disagree with any of it. I just don’t understand the Hitler stuff.”

 

Lana Lokteff: So is it doing a disservice? Okay. No? What’s your response?

 

Thomas Sewell: No, no, it’s not.

 

No, my response is always:

 

“You will understand. In time, you’ll understand that all of this ends from World War Two. Our nations have been subverted and destroyed!”

 

Obviously there’s a general decline prior to World War Two. I won’t get too esoteric and go too deep with the average person, but obviously there’s a general cyclical history and stuff. And people, like, their eyes start to wander off when you bring up, like, a 2,000 year civilizational cycle. Rah, rah, rah. But you can. But everyone knows Hitler. Everyone knows World War Two. And you can put that as the apex of our civilization or our society starting to collapse, the beginning of the end.

 

And so what I tell people is what Hitler was dealing with and what the Germans were dealing with in the thirties was what we call the Weimar Republic in the twenties and early thirties. And they came to power because Germany was so corrupted and destroyed and subverted by jews, and they made a humiliation and mockery of their people and they, …

 

Lana Lokteff: Impoverished them, introduced transsexualism and sex change operations. That’s the books they were burning, right?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. And then I say, that is exactly what we’re going through now. We’re going through “Global Weimar”.

 

And so we need a 1933 style solution to the 1933 problem, you know.

 

Lana Lokteff: And updated versus worse, actually.

 

Thomas Sewell: So it is worse because we need, …

 

Joel Davis: We need to become like, we need to go beyond the 1933 solution, in my view. I don’t think the 1933 solution is even enough. That’s the thing. That’s also why it’s important, I think, to not back down on. It’s not about ideologically dotting all your P’s and Q’s, about being a perfect National Socialist, in my view.

 

What matters, though, is the fighting spirit. What Hitler and the Nazis represent in the mass consciousness ultimately is the Whiteman having enough and just fighting back, taking control and reasserting himself. That’s basically what it means in the mass consciousness.

 

The mass consciousness doesn’t know all the nuances about this or that policy that the Third Reich may have had. And those things, we should study them, but they aren’t of central importance. What is of central importance is the idea that we’re not taking this shit anymore. It’s not enough to agree that, oh, yes, you know, Tom’s experience is like my experience. So many people I talked to are like:

 

“Yes, you know, Joel, what you say is true when you talk about the problems of immigration and non-Whites and rants about Indians and rants about blacks and so on, even about the jews.”

 

But then they just go on living a normal life. They don’t have a fire lit within them, like, is lit within me or within Tom or within other people that are actually committed to the movement, where they’re willing to actually put their life on the line to fight. And that’s the difference.

 

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It’s not just about intellectually agreeing that there’s an anti-White agenda and knowing all the talking points and knowing how it’s. That the news is lying to you or whatever it’s about, what are you going to fucking do about it?

 

And what Hitler and the swastika and so on represents is doing something about it. That’s what it represents. And when they attack the militancy of the movement, when they attack the optics of the movement and so on, what people are basically attacking is the energy.

 

We want to keep the mass marketable talking points, the agreeable aspects of the movement. We want to make it seem less scary. We want to make it seem like no one’s going to actually have to do anything except vote harder and have polite discussions, and we’re going to have this safe and optical version of addressing White genocide and defeating global jury and reasserting White power. And that just isn’t realistic.

 

Lana Lokteff: It’s not that easy.

 

Joel Davis: It isn’t how.

 

Lana Lokteff: I mean, that’s not how it’s going.

 

Joel Davis: To fight for it.

 

Lana Lokteff: Yeah, I mean, I get the idea of I mean, I look at nationalism, the strides that we have made even over the last five years. We’ve been covering these topics for ten years, and things we were talking about ten years ago now are trending on X, you know, about banned ADL, jewish supremacy, all the anti-White talking points. It’s essentially going mainstream. And there’s a broader range of Right-wing folks, including normie conservatives, who are coming onto our page about some of these things. I know, Joel, you’ve been making the rounds, talking and debating with different people.

 

So, you know, we have to stay on these people. But, and I know it’s important to mainstream for broad appeal, which is necessary. It’s already happening. But simultaneously, you need that kind of edgy undercurrent that’s pushing the discussion further because we were the edgy undercurrent that was pushing the mainstream into this discussion. Right?

 

So I think it takes all personalities in different facets to strike at different times. Maybe a little ruthless and crazy is good, but so is class and self control at different times. You need a bit of it, I think, at all different levels of the war.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, right.

 

Joel Davis: The Whiteman is demoralized. We need to moralize the Whiteman in the sense that, like, there’s a lot of “learned helplessness”. There’s a lot of black pilling. There’s a lot of people that know what the problem is, and it doesn’t inspire them to act. It doesn’t inspire them to wake up every morning. It has the opposite effect. It makes them depressed. It makes them want to turn away from politics. It makes them into a bitter human being.

 

And so the problem is spiritual. The problem isn’t about what facts they understand. The problem isn’t intellectual. It isn’t ideological. The problem is a lack of willpower, fortitude, courage, sacrifice, honor. And so reawakening these values is a kind of spiritual operation that is entirely distinct from spreading political talking points. That is something that I’ve come to terms with over the last few years and probably explains for those people who have seen me around.

 

Maybe the difference is me recognizing that I was kind of drawing certain conclusions from information, but that everyone doesn’t draw the same conclusions. And that you actually have to address the process by which you draw conclusions, not just the conclusions themselves or the basis of conclusions themselves.

 

In other words, the overarching view of the average person is the system is run by politicians that don’t give a fuck about us! They’re all corrupt. They’re all pieces of shit! I hate the political class. They’re screwing us over. Immigration is bad and so on.

 

What can you do about it? There’s nothing I can do about it. There’s nothing anyone can do about it. I guess we’ll just try and make money and have a family and do our best. That’s basically the average view. Those people don’t need to really have it explained to them much further about how bad the political class is and, you know how anti-White the system is and so on.

 

A lot of them pretty much agree. Obviously we need that.

 

But what they need is someone to give them. Someone needs to make them believe that we can do something about it.

 

Lana Lokteff: Yeah. They need to be inspired.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. That actually has the willpower to generate a reaction that is powerful enough to do something.

 

Lana Lokteff: Well, that’s why I like this trend of repatriation. They have to go back. Massive deportation like this is the only solution. So while the mainstream is picking up a lot of our talking points, even from ten years ago, now we need to push it even, you know, further to the Right of:

 

“No, we can’t tolerate all these people. They need to go back. If they came between this and this period, that’s it! Repatriation!”

 

So do you guys think that normalizing the idea of mass deportations is probably one of the most important things that we can do right now?

 

Thomas Sewell: Don’t you think?

 

Lana Lokteff: I mean, we need our demographics and check number one, right? Everything else was second.

 

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Joel Davis: In political discourse. It is the number one issue. I actually got into some debates. Obviously, I’m an anti -semite, but I got into some debates with people who I’m friends with, who think that we need to focus entirely upon anti-semitism as like the first principle of politics you mentioned before, people talking about jewish supremacy. The problem that I have with this is they talk about jewish supremacy like, as if the problem with jewish supremacy is supremacy rather than that it’s jewish. Like, as if White supremacy would be a problem, like supremacy itself is the problem. There’s this kind of residual egalitarianism that is implicit in that kind of discourse.

 

This idea that all jews think that they’re better than everybody else and that they should have their own state where they are their own ethno-state where they’re in control, and they think that they should run the banks and the media. And who the hell do they think they are? No one should be in charge. No, we should be running the banks and the media and have our own state and be ethnically cleansing people who want to live in our territory, actually.

 

And then I got called a White Zionist by some of these people, as if that’s supposed to be an insult. Like, what movement are we in? I’m a White supremacist.

 

The idea that you want White people.

 

Lana Lokteff: To be supreme in their countries. Yes, yes, of course.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. It’s as supreme as possible. That’s what I want. The idea of supremacy is fundamentally good and noble. It’s the idea that some people are better than others, and that therefore, people who are better than others should have a requisite status conferred upon them for that superiority. Egalitarianism is the idea that everyone should have the same status, no matter how much better they are than others. And often it goes even further than that and says:

 

“Well, the only reason why some people can be seen to be better than others. Is because of unfair distributions of status.”

 

It completely reverses the relationship between nature and society.

 

The idea that society determines nature, other than nature determining society. I believe in the natural, organic society. I believe in the organic state, a natural way of life. That’s why I’m a supremacist. And everyone is a micro supremacist in the entire world. Like, if you need to get surgery, you need to get, like, your kidney removed or something, or kidney surgery. You’re a surgeon supremacist. You want the best possible surgeon who’s got all this experience and has a degree. You don’t want some guy who would like to be a surgeon really bad! And it’s not fair that you’re discriminating against him because he sucks at surgery and has no idea what he’s doing. Or when you want to marry someone, you become a supremacist. You’re not going to marry a fat chick just because it wouldn’t be fair that she doesn’t get to marry you because she’s fat. That would be absurd, right? Sorry to all the guys at home that are married to fat chicks.

 

But the point is that everyone’s a micro supremacist.

 

But then when we expand out to the political level, apparently now it’s totally ridiculous to say that supremacy should be the organizing principle for society. Even though egalitarianism is retarded on every other level. All of a sudden, at the largest and most important level, now, all of a sudden, all the values get reversed. And people say:

 

“Well, Joel, you know, you’re right. >But the thing is that that’s not very optical. People aren’t going to want to hear that message because it’s kind of extreme.”

 

And so we have to basically argue that the pro-White position is actually the real form of egalitarianism. Like, as if egalitarianism isn’t. The very core of the reason why the White race is in the position that it’s in is because we have degraded ourselves. We stop seeing ourselves as superior, and therefore we stop Guarding ourselves against the inferior. Like, as Nietzsche said:

 

“The strong must be protected from the weak.”

 

If you’re if you’re a gardener, you’re growing and you’ve got beautiful flowers or you’re growing vegetables or whatever, the number one priority that you have, other than making sure that it gets all the nutrients and water and so on, sunlight that it needs is getting, keeping the weeds out.

 

If you just allow all the weeds to fester and to fill up and take from the space and resources that enables your garden to grow, your plants won’t reach their full potential and on a long enough timeline they will die. And that’s the White race is like a garden and we’re not weeding it. And we stopped weeding it because we came to say:

 

“Oh, there’s no difference between a weed and a flower.”

 

That’s at the core of the problem. Until we can actually talk about that in a direct way, we will not address it.

 

So to me that’s why I think we need a more muscular rhetoric. We need people with a kind of romanticism, a kind of type of mindset to go:

 

“I’m going to basically stake my claim on the full truth and put it, basically be willing to die on that hill. I’m not going to have a marketing strategy where I try and adapt my worldview into a kind of a neat set of like rhetorical points that comport well with what people already believe.”

 

No, the problem is that what people already believe is wrong. It needs to be totally destroyed.

 

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The problem is that the average White person is weak, lazy, unspirited. They don’t believe in themselves and they’re nowhere near racist enough and they’re nowhere near supremacist enough. And that’s what we have to address. We have to make them believe in themselves and believe in these ideas. Otherwise we won’t win. No one’s going to fight for the White race unless they truly, no non-White supremacist is going to do what needs to be done. You have to be a White supremacist to go:

 

“Hey, look at all these millions of people, and many of them are families and some of them are nice people and they quite like it here, actually. We’re going to kick them all out, we’re going to round them up and we’re going to remove them forcefully, which will probably be necessary from our country.”

 

And by the way, we’re going to have a lot of Leftists, a lot of traitors and so on to round up as well. There’s going to be a lot of brutality necessary to fix the absolutely decrepit situation our civilization is in. And you’re not going to have the wherewithal to support and act out what needs to be done unless you have that level of conviction.

 

So to me, we have to go all the way. That’s why I’m going to defend Hitler. That’s why I call myself a White supremacist.

 

And that’s why I think it’s actually good optics. I think Hitler’s actually really cool. I think supremacy is actually more like. The most famous philosopher in the modern world is Friedrich Nietzsche. He’s, like the only philosopher everyone knows what his name is and what is his philosophy. It’s basically supremacism.

 

So this idea that supremacism isn’t cool or interesting and people don’t want to hear about it, or that no one wants to hear about Hitler, it’s just wrong. It’s actually really interesting.

 

Lana Lokteff: I think it’s inching in that direction. I think, again, you’re young, you got that fresh energy, you’re cutting edge, and I think its heading more in that direction where things are going to be opening up. You just got to keep on it. That’s what I mean. Topics that we know are mainstreaming, we have to get them to go even farther to the Right. Thomas, what do you think?

 

Thomas Sewell: I like the term that’s been popularized recently about “ratchet theory”. And I don’t believe that any metaphor is perfect. There’s no metaphor that’s perfect. We all just use different terms to try to create a picture in people’s mind as to how were behaving in different planes. And I like the fact that what we were saying in the movement ten years ago is now the mainstream discourse of anyone right of center and Joel and myself and other people that are leading factors within the movement here in Australia and I hope globally as well.

 

What we’re looking at is everyone’s playing catch up to us. Politics is ruled by the minority or by the extreme, if you want to call it that. We’re the extreme Right. We’re the far-Right, if that’s how they want to put it. You know, ten years ago, 15 years ago, the whole tranny agenda, the whole transsexual freak show, was in these tiny little subReddits and tumblr and stuff. And it was just like these radical communists in these little echo chambers talking about how to get estrogen and how to cut their dicks off. And now the federal government in your country and mine are protecting the rights of jewish doctors to cut dicks off children and to prescribe hormones.

 

So politics is always moved by the extremes.

 

This idea that just hug the center and shift the center over a bit. We know that that’s not how politics works.

 

And anyone that’s still trying to do that, they’re kind of wasting their energy, because why would you sit on the fulcrum if you are a polit, if you have political agency and there’s a seesaw of politics, and we can see there’s a seesaw, even though a lot of people say it’s not Left and Right, it’s pro-White and anti-White. Yeah, okay, okay, whatever. Right? Let’s say you’re right. There’s a seesaw. There’s a fulcrum in the middle where all the White is all of society. 98% of society is in the middle. That’s a fact. 1% are these freaks, and 1% are Nazis. So Adolf Hitler says, in mein Kampf, I think, chapter two, he says, all my life, I have only come across three types of people, the fighters, the lukewarm, and the traitors.

 

So what he’s saying is the Nazis, the normies, or whatever your term, you want to call it, and the jew communist transsexual freaks.

 

So all of the weight is already in the middle. And the way we move the fulcrum or the Overton Window, or however you want to look at it from a political strategy, is from the extreme.

 

And so if the majority of the population that’s on the right-hand side of the fulcrum are already starting to lean towards our energy, now, ultimately, we’re not trying to shift the fulcrum. We’re trying to split the thing in half. We don’t want to live with transsexuals. We don’t want to live with traitors. We don’t want to live with freaks.

 

And that’s another important discourse that people need to understand in the Right-wing, if we’re going to call it that we’re not looking to live in a happy, harmonious society with people that think it’s normal to cut the genitals of children. We want to prosecute these people, and we want to legalize the execution of them. That’s what we want to do. Because they shouldn’t exist. They shouldn’t breathe oxygen in the same space that we live in. And worst case scenario, we just live in two different societies.

 

But ideally, we prosecute these people and we send them to hell because they’re disgusting, evil, like, they’re the most evil, immoral freaks that have ever existed in the existence of any life form. What kind of disgusting creature wants to mutilate the genitals of their own children like that? That’s just demonic. That’s just anti-nature, anti-natural law, anti-God. anti-harmony, anti-peace. And there’s no moral or physical or philosophical justification for this behavior. They’re just demons. And this is obvious. So ultimately, we’re trying to create the split.

 

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Now, the way we snap the fulcrum, that snap the board over the fulcrum, is by putting as much weight on our end as we can, because only two things can happen. There’s only two possibilities. Either we snap the board in half because it’s very fragile, and that’s what the Liberal democracy is really worried about. We need to reinforce our democracy. You know, we need to keep everyone in the center. We need to basically make it illegal for these people on the right to do what they’re doing. But the Right, if you want to call it that, will continue to gain strength and weight, momentum and mass, because they’re continuing to allow the extreme Left to build its momentum and its mass.

 

So there’s always going to be a natural reaction where people see this demonic shit going on and they go one way or the other. And the longer people stay in the middle, the more likely they’re going to fall by the wayside. They’re going to fall onto one side. It’s like the Titanic is snapping in half. Western civilization is the Titan, it’s the Titanic, and it’s now happening in half, and they’re going to go to one side or the other.

 

Now, if we can get all the mass on our side, if we can shift the whole center across, then the thing won’t snap. It won’t snap. Society won’t snap. What will happen is we’ll have kind of a semi-peaceful situation, a semi-peaceful Democratic sort of situation, where we can shift all the way over to the Right quite rapidly.

 

And then the fulcrum just, it just, it flips on that point, and all the Lefties and freaks basically fly off the seesaw. And that all happens quite nicely. It doesn’t end up with this kind of balkanization and this civil war and racial conflict, like armed conflict. It doesn’t go hot. It kind of resolves in a kind of Parliamentarian manner where we can then ratchet things back to how they were. And then maybe if we’ve got enough momentum, we can keep pushing and keep reminding people.

 

But that can only occur with a radical and extreme minority of leaders of thought, leaders that can charge in a new spiritual and almost mystical way, a new ethos, a new spirit of living. It’s even beyond political. We’ve got all the economic arguments right? We’re better off without this situation. We were better off before all this fucking diversity, multiculturalism, transgender shit! Better off economically. We’re better off culturally. We’re better off socially. We’re better off politically because we have political rights when it’s a White majority country. We’re way freer in that sense when it’s a White majority country.

 

So we’ve got all these arguments, we’ve got all these positions as to how it personally is going to benefit us, yet we still don’t have power. We don’t have power. We’re not in charge yet. I believe, and I think Joel agrees with me here, that the reason why we don’t have power is because we don’t have a fire and an essence and a spirit. And Joel uses the term “romanticism”, which I appreciate as well, because I think there’s two components to it. I think there’s a feminine and a masculine. It’s got to be muscular and romantic. It’s got to be. You know, our term in our organization is, we say “blood and honor”. You know, it’s got to be material and spiritual, but there’s got to be an ethos. There’s got to be a something. Men are guided much more when things. When society gets this broken, whatever, these demons, these freaks, whatever is motivating them, it’s not necessarily coming from a rational position.

 

And I think we should avoid our leadership restricting itself and restraining itself to purely philosophical and rational arguments. We should allow feeling, emotion, and energy.

 

And I’ll finish with this last point, an anecdotal point. We have the organization that I run, and Jacob Hussain, who’s one of my offsiders, runs the activist side of things, the National Socialist Network. Horrible optics. Balaclavas and black block. And it’s so evil and scary, and we shouldn’t have this going on. It’s a bad look for the movement. And everyone hates us in the Right-wing. We’re like, we’re agent provocateurs and we’re getting paid by the Left to do it and all this sort of nonsense!

 

And then a White girl gets bashed by a bunch of Africans. And I look through the comments section and the boomers in the comments section saying:

 

“Well if those balaclava bandits were on that train, that wouldn’t have happened. You know, I’d much rather get on a train with the balaclava bandits than a bunch of Africans.”

 

And so everyone hates us until the violence starts. Yes, everyone hates us until it’s their daughter getting raped and when it’s their daughter that’s raped, they’re going to knock on my door and say:

 

“Tom, what are we going to do about this?”

 

And I say:

 

“I’ve been preparing this for some time. This is what we can do about this.”

 

I’ve actually got a solution to the problem. I’m going to do everything I can to help these people, even though right now they’re either apathetic or they hate us.

 

So we’re fighting for our race because we have something that’s so much, even deeper than just a material love for our people.

 

And to me, that that’s the future of the movement, and that’s what, that’s where the next ten and, 200 years of energy is going to come from. It has to be spiritual, it has to be religious, it has to be ritual, routine. It has to be bigger than just party politics. It has to be a new religion. Yeah.

 

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Lana Lokteff: The religion of your folk, too. I don’t like all this infighting too, of like pagan and Christian and all that. We just have to put folk first. And the spiritual condition is such a huge part of this as all the old philosophers, I mean, we’re Westerners. Western civilization was built on philosophizing and romanticism and thinking of all these things. We need to bring that energy back. It’s been squashed out of us. You know, it’s been beaten out of me.

 

Joel Davis: From a Jungian perspective, like, because so many of your ancestors, you have blood. It’s actually like a scientific fact. We know ancestral memory is just programed into, like, pretty much all mammals, not just humans. But because you have so many Christian ancestors and then so many more pagan ancestors, all of those archetypes are literally within your unconscious. Like, you carry within you the belief systems and the worldview of so many generations of your ancestors, and you can go back further. And at one point, maybe there were Aryans writing the Vaders and inventing Hinduism. Maybe there were ancient Egyptians. We know the pharaohs were all basically Europeans, or who knows what they were up to if you go back far enough generations.

 

But ultimately, all of that is within us. Yeah, like, I agree. Like, the pagan verse Christian thing, it’s kind of unavoidable when people are dogmatic about a subject, but from a perspective of an identitarian perspective of who are we putting aside those debates philosophically, theologically, like, we are all of these things, actually. And the I take the view that spirit blood isn’t a dichotomy, that it’s all interconnected, like the life force is the blood, like the force which generated you, is the same force which drove your parents and your grandparents and your great grandparents and so on, intergenerationally, to strive to create our civilization, to create and to embody certain values that are befitting a Whiteman, or a woman. We carry ourselves differently when we’re truly honoring our blood, when we’re living up to our potential. There isn’t no other people carry themselves with the kind of dignity and morality and all the virtues that are kind of innate in us are so much higher and more admirable.

 

And so when you’re trying to honor that tradition and when you’re thinking about the fact that you’re going to die, but then you’re going to have children and grandchildren and great grandchildren and so on down to eons, ideally, if we get genocided, if we win, that will be carrying that legacy forward and hopefully evolving, hopefully building upon it and going to. That’s what it’s all about. It’s not about you. It’s about this great chain of being, these thousands of thousands of years of Aryans behind you and extending out in front of you, trying to ascend and become a higher and more noble form of life. We already are the greatest form of life on this planet. And we want to become, can always be better.

 

Lana Lokteff: Ubermensch.

 

Joel Davis: And that isn’t just like getting taller and stronger and higher IQ. That’s part of it.

 

But it’s spiritually evolving. It’s recognizing the crisis around us as a test that is basically will determine the next phase of our evolution. Like, what do we have to become in order to confront this and overcome this? What kind of new culture do we have to create? What new mentality, what set of virtues do we have to honor and revere in order to become a people capable of taking back our nations, taking back our countries, taking back. We were running the whole planet a very short time ago. We should be running the planet. How do we take it all back? Who do we have to become to take it all back? That’s the question. It’s not just as simple as:

 

“Oh, if we just teach people that the system is anti-White. Look at this double standard.”

 

No.

 

Lana Lokteff: We have to think holistically. We have to think holistically.

 

Joel Davis: Much, much deeper. Yeah, it’s much deeper to be.

 

Lana Lokteff: Like a naturopath for a race. So, last question for you guys, what? So what can the little guys do right now to make a difference? I mean, in my view, I think starting families, building community, becoming the best White person that you can become, and holding the line that way. I mean, spiritually, mentally, and on a psychic level, I mean, that’s very important because things, trends are going to, eventually, it’s going to go there where things are going to pop off in ways that we don’t even expect yet.

 

So it’s like Thomas was saying, I’ll be here. I’ll be ready when that time comes. So, Thomas, what do you think thinking in terms of the little guys? What are things that they can do right now if they feel powerless?

 

Thomas Sewell: There’s two sides of it. Absolutely!

 

And so we have with our organization a two pronged attack. We have this idea that there’s a need for search parties, there’s a need for people to go out and look for survivors. We’re in a spiritual zombie apocalypse. I like watching zombie movies. I don’t know why, I just always like watching them, but I’ve always had an essence when I’m watching them. This is, I’m looking at it as a metaphor for real life that are, people are infected with a virus, a mind virus.

 

Lana Lokteff: Come to Philadelphia, Thomas. You’ll see plenty of zombies.

 

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Thomas Sewell: Yeah, well, that’s obviously the full fruition of the zombie is by the time it gets to that point, they’re so drug effect that they actually look like a zombie. But we’re fighting a demonic mind virus or spiritual virus.

 

And so the two essences of what we’re doing as an organization to help the individual is you have to have the search party. You have to have the search party.

 

So you have to have guys that are willing to go out and risk danger to recruit and attract other people. And that’s a huge amount of risk and reward, and people burn out from that process. And activism plays a huge toll on people’s lives. And it’s really only suited for young guys, guys in their thirties and forties, they don’t do it for long. They usually get really burnt out unless there’s different kinds of activism. What, like what you and your husband are doing, where there’s this idea that when you watch I am legend and the character goes to Will Smith, goes under the pier, and he has the radio, and he’s like:

 

“Is there anyone out there? Can anyone hear me? You can hear me under the pier.”

 

That’s kind of what you guys are doing. You’re like a radio broadcaster, so you’re looking for survivors in it in a different method. And I really appreciate all the podcasters and all the content creators. And that’s actually how I came across Joel. Joel wasn’t involved in any sort of specific direct organization, but just as an individual. He was just talking out into the ether. Is anyone listening? Can anyone hear me? Does anyone understand what’s going on? This is what I think is going on. This is what I can see. Can anyone else see this virus that’s killing us? We need to work out how to fight back from this virus and let me compartmentalize all the different components of the virus and let me explain what the cure to the virus is.

 

And so there’s all these different strategies, but ultimately, we’re looking for survivors, we’re looking for community.

 

So it’s great as an individual to do whatever it is that you’re doing, but the other side of it is okay, now you’ve got survivors and you’ve built more activists. Now you’ve got this search party that’s found more search party people. What do you ultimately do with them when they burn out? When they ultimately, they’ve tried for so long, and everyone’s got a different fuse.

 

Some people have got a fire under them where they can do it for their whole life. You guys have been doing this for over a decade, and you’re just still there. You can only see slight return on investment every year. You’re dedicating your whole lives to it, but you’re moving things so slowly, and it can be black billing as a content creator. It’s like I’m giving my everything into this, and it’s only moving things these micro degrees, but ultimately, it’s like the fact that it’s moving is proof that we need to keep going.

 

Lana Lokteff: Yeah, you need people in the trenches, you know, digging in the trenches.

 

Thomas Sewell: Exactly! And so to me, it’s so important to have a backup strategy. Not a backup strategy. It’s not necessarily. I call it plan A and plan B, but it’s from a zombie apocalypse scenario, a spiritual zombie apocalypse. It’s like you have search parties and you have survivors colonies.

 

So I think the other half of our program isn’t necessarily going out and trying to find survivors. It’s just building a survivors colony, and it’s just building parallel community, building a network of people that know what’s going on and are willing to just put in the work. They don’t necessarily need to do activism. They’re not necessarily going out and looking for other people, but those that will find us will find us. There’s a law of attraction. Even without activism, people will find you. That background work, that kind of, I call it the broad head strategy in the sense that’s appealing to people that maybe aren’t hardcore core ideologues or really spiritually motivated, but it appeals to building more of a Noah’s ark. You know, not that I’m a Christian, but this idea that you’re going to save more of the folk, you’re going to save more of the people, and you’re creating a better alternative to people.

 

So at an individual level, sure. Be the be the Ubermensch, be the coming man, you know, develop yourselves as best as you can display. Put your jeans on, the best display that you can put them on. Don’t be brought down by society. Society is decaying and crumbling around you. And to be able to insulate and isolate yourselves from that decay and to actually go the other way is what it means to be a good National Socialist, or a good area, or however you want to put it, a good Whiteman and have as big a family as you can manage, and marry a woman that has the same values as you and wants to be on the same path with you and build up your resources as an individual. Sure, but we won’t win this as a collection of individuals.

 

Lana Lokteff: You know, eventually you have to bring our talents together. Right? That’s what has to happen.

 

Thomas Sewell: We need to mobilize, we need to tribe up. And I will finish on this point. Politics is ultimately power, and the government has all the power. The government and its institutions are completely taken over, and you can try to subvert them from within, re-unsubvert them.

 

However, the mental gymnastics of that works and the people doing that, good on them, and keep going, it’s better than nothing. Absolutely!

 

But I believe that the most important thing is to build a new government. I believe that when we have built enough of our own manpower, enough of our own resources, enough of our own skills, and built them into a network, a tribal network together, and as we network with these other groups, eventually we become a replacement, a parallel government to the government.

 

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And then, and only then, is there going to be any sort of solution, whether that solution be political, cultural, economic, whatever, it doesn’t matter. Only then is there going to be a solution, and not a millisecond before. You’re not going to win! Nationalists aren’t going to win! Without a prototype to display nationalists aren’t going to win over the majority of the population by saying:

 

“Hey, we’re White nationalists and we want mass deportations and we want what’s best for you should vote for us.”

 

The average White person is like:

 

“Hmm, things are bad, but they kind of stable. These guys will probably create a race war, so I’m not going to vote for them.”

 

So there’s no solution to the problem that doesn’t include actually building a prototype society that you rule over already. And then you’re saying to the rest of the White people that don’t live in your society:

 

“Hey, look at what we’ve built under our leadership. We want to do this for the whole country. This is what we’re doing. This is how it’s going to look. This is how it’s going to be!”

 

“And in the meantime, while the majority aren’t supporting of us to put us in power, come join us. Come live with us. Come see what life is like with other White races.”

 

And when White racism is cooler and better and has all the benefits, then and only then will you win over the neutrals. But whether we win over the neutrals or not, we will have our pocket of light. And that pocket of light will develop. And if it holds on to its strength and its truth and its honor and its blood, most importantly, then we will prevail. Blood and honor.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, but what I always say in regards to this as well is that, but one of the most important things you can do as a nationalist or White nationalist or Nazi or whatever is to be as cool and interesting and attractive as possible, and then try and get together with as many other cool, interesting and attractive fellow Nazis and create cool, interesting, attractive scenes where you’re doing all this cool, interesting and attractive stuff to the point where you’re not trying to convince, like:

 

“Please, please listen to my podcast. Please, like, listen to me spurge out about how the holocaust was fake for 10 hours!”

 

And the guys like:

 

“I just want to. I just want to talk about the football or something.”

 

It’s like you become so cool! They want to come and be a part of what you’re doing because they look around at society and culture is so dead and so boring and so uninspiring, and then there’s something inspiring and fun that you’re doing that they want to be a part of you attract people in. It’s way more effective than trying to plead or trying to push something upon when you can attract them, when you can attract.

 

So that’s what we need to develop more as a movement is just more. Doing more cool shit, basically.

 

Lana Lokteff: Just so you know, Joel, I don’t have any fat, ugly friends.

 

Actually, the other day, I was getting together with all my girlfriends, and I’m like:

 

“Oh, my God, they all look like models!”

 

You know, when other girls come around, they all get, like, intimidated.

 

But I see how effective even that is, the way we talk, like, our lingo and stuff.

 

And then when they say, like:

 

“Oh, another, there’s a beautiful woman and she’s talking like that, then, oh, I guess it must be okay, and then, okay, I’m gonna let my hair down and, like, talk about these things.”

 

Now I see how that works. It seems, it seems shallow, but that’s just human nature.

 

Joel Davis: It’s true.

 

I mean, I was out drinking the other night in Melbourne, which is a few months ago. I think this, the Roman salute had already been banned. It already been made illegal. But I was drunk, and it was 03:00 in the morning, and so I was just trying to get as many people to do it as possible on the street. And I was going up to girls, and the pretty girls would do it, and then their ugly friends would get really upset, and it was this constant iterative pattern.

 

So I definitely believe in yeah, you want hot chicks. You want guys that you know, that have a martial quality. You want guys that women are. If you have hot Nazi guys, then women are like:

 

“Damn! I want to become a Nazi! Look at the quality. Like, look at the Leftist bros over here with their soy milkshakes. I don’t really agree about the whole Hitler thing, but those guys are., ..!”

 

Lana Lokteff: Kind of so hot.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, exactly! It makes, that actually makes more of a difference than you’re explaining about how if but race and IQ and, like, read this book called the Bell Curve or something, immediately it’s just crickets, you know, for a lot of people.

 

So that’s something that we need to, we’re working on. It’s something that we need to keep developing because we have to show people why the White race is worth fighting for in the first place, like, why you should actually love your people. You have to become lovable.

 

So that’s also also, I think, online activism, a lot of people a lot of people just stay online, and so often Tom has to come on and be like, you can’t just be on the computer or on your phone. You have to actually meet people and form communities. And that’s an important message. But the reverse message is also important.

 

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There’s a lot of people I notice on Twitter, for example, who they’ll like all my tweets. And then I click on their profile and their profile is just retweeting things and liking things. They never actually say anything that’s not actually helpful. You’re basically just a consumer. You’re a passive consumer.

 

Like, it isn’t actually that difficult to join cacophonies in replies, in comment sections to amplify certain forms of messaging. We’re creating a discourse with the system, like the online discourse does actually create a discourse with powerful elements constantly harassing conservatives, calling them traitors, calling them cucks and so on, because they’re too weak on immigration or constantly talking about the jewish question or whatever, like whatever hot button issue generating controversy, amplifying certain messaging, causes these people to respond.

 

Maybe the conservatives start having a little bit more edgy messaging and trying to include the talking points. Or maybe there’s just people that are reading the replies and you’re delegitimizing these. They thought that these guys were really based in Right-wing, and then they see all the replies telling them off for being way insufficiently Right-wing.

 

And that kind of expands their consciousness on what’s possible to think politically. And the same with Leftists.

 

Like if you can get, if we can get the system to what Tom’s organization, our organization has done very effectively is we’ve forced the system and the media and so on to constantly talk about us to the point now where it’s like a brand, like in Australia, millions of people know who we are. If we show up in uniform on a street with the banner out, they know who we are when we walk past. And that’s potent. That creates an actual personalized expression of the idea. It isn’t just like an abstract idea. It becomes a group of people. And that changes how people interpret things psychologically. And I’ve been out with the boys on marches and the majority of the public saying things that are supportive as opposed.

 

And it’s like everyone knows it’s neo-Nazis walking in balaclavas down a street. This is pretty radical stuff, even by the standards of the dissident Right? It’s one of the most radical organizations, most radical optics in the world.

 

Yet a bunch of normal people are like:

 

“Fuck, yeah!”

 

Because they can see that there’s nothing else that has got the balls to really provide a public, demonstrable, serious opposition to what is happening. And they know that the average person knows that things are seriously fucked up! And if the only people standing up against it are Nazis, they’ll clap and cheer for the Nazis. So.

 

Lana Lokteff: All right, we’ll have to keep an eye on Australia and what you guys are doing, you have to tell us about. I know you guys have a show that you do together. Let us know all that information. People want to go check you guys out.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, just follow me. On Rumble, my channel is Joel Davis, Rumble.com. Joel Davis and I stream. We stream every week on Australian politics, but we talk. We don’t always just talk about Australian politics. We talk about general ideas. The show generally was originally myself and Blair Cottrell, who’s another prominent Australian nationalist, but Tom comes on almost every week, so it’s kind of like the Joel, Blair and Tom show, but sometimes one of them can’t make it, and so it’s just me and one of them as opposed to both of them.

 

Lana Lokteff: I see Blair is still banned from Twitter, as well from X. I saw you guys were hammering.

 

Joel Davis: A week ago.

 

Lana Lokteff: Yeah, look at that. Yeah. Elon Musk celebrated X’s win over Australia’s censorship. Today is a victory for free speech. But many Aussie nationalists, including Blair Cottrell, remain banned. Right. And he was never told what, why he got suspended.

 

Joel Davis: So well, he’s been banned since 2018. Since the Musk takeover, he hasn’t, … He’s appealed.

 

Lana Lokteff: Never been reinstated.

 

Joel Davis: Over and over again! They won’t reinstate him. They won’t say why. They won’t even identify what the original tweet was. It was probably because the government asked for him to be banned! That’s probably why.

 

But, yeah, he wants to go on Twitter and be like:

 

“Oh, X is the only free speech platform, and we’re standing up to the Australian government!”

 

But Blair’s banned, Tom’s banned now as well.

 

Lana Lokteff: Jared Taylor. American Renaissance hasn’t brought him back. David Duke, he’s not brought back. Yeah, there’s a list.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. Mark Collett and the other Patriotic Alternative people, they’re all banned. Elon Musk was like:

 

“Oh, it’s horrible that Sam Melia has gone to jail for stickers. That’s abhorrent.”

 

But he won’t unban his Twitter account. What is going on? He’s a hypocrite.

 

Lana Lokteff: Yeah. Geez.

 

All right, Thomas, anything else you want to say before we let you guys go? Because I know we could talk for hours.

 

Thomas Sewell: We could talk for hours. So I’ll let you guys go. But on the Twitter, subject. I think the last video I did, I put up a post talking about how I can’t fight in the shadows, just not how I’m built. I have to fight in the light.

 

And it’s interesting because Musk put up something about how these neo-Nazis and these radical elements:

 

“We shouldn’t have them in the shadows. We should have them in the light. We should give them free speech, because, it’s important for society to be able to see what they have to say and then ridicule them for how crazy and insane they are!”

 

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And then they say these, you know, these centered people trying to keep the ship together or keep the fulcrum together. They say these things, but they don’t deliver because they’re actually very afraid of the public hearing what we have to say. Because when the public hear what we have to say, even though there are some pretty full on outcomes from what we have to say, they inherently recognize its sensibility. We are just a return of common sense. The way the conservatives talk about it, we’re the actual version of common sense. Like, the common sense is we don’t want Australia to turn into India. So, obviously, how we go about that is pretty full on. But the common sense is we don’t want Australia to turn into India. And everyone’s on board with that except the 1% communist jew freaks.

 

So, yeah, I want to be in the light. I want to be in the light. I want to because I want the spotlight on me. But I think there’s something important that some of us have to say, and I have the energy, and I have the fire.

 

So I want to be in the light. And they’re keeping a lot of us in the shadows, like Blair and myself. And maybe Joel might suffer in the future. I want you all to be very careful. He’s surfing a Kali Yuga, like me, and you say the wrong thing or you draw the wrong attention, and they’ll strike you down.

 

But, yeah, at the moment, I’m operating in the shadows, and I don’t mind that in the sense that maybe I need to take a break from social media and work on the organization more and build its strength in other ways rather than just the spotlight.

 

So, yeah, certainly. I just trust I don’t want to sound like a qanon, but I just trust the plan. I trust God. I believe that all of this is just unlocking and unfolding our future. And if that’s you just got to roll with the punches. That’s what I said when we came on the show. Seven months in jail. It is what it is. Censored on Telegram. It is what it is. Bank account shutdown. It is what it is so many people are paralyzed by fear. They’re like:

 

“Oh, but if I get involved. Oh, but if I do this. Oh, but then this will happen!”

 

It’s like, yeah, and then this will happen. And then it’s overcome or die. It’s just overcome or die. And that’s all I have to say. Overcome or die! Like, so we just die. When all these people put up all these roadblocks for me, like:

 

“Oh, I’d like to get involved or I’d like to do something, but I’m worried about this.”

 

It’s like, so just die. Just, why don’t you just kill yourself? Why don’t you just die? Because what, you’re just living for hedonism now? You’re just like:

 

“Oh, I like my comforts. I’ll just stay alive for my comforts. I don’t care that society’s going down the drain. I don’t care that my grandsons won’t actually be able to have the comforts I have. I’ll get the comforts.”

 

And I’m just, I just think myself, that’s so philosophically. And it’s usually older men that say this up, not younger men. Most young guys I meet, most young men that I meet, they haven’t had a spirit crushed yet. They haven’t had mean, demoralized by the forces of the modern world. And they’re still true to their nature. Like society’s effed up. My teachers are all wrong. You know, I’m gonna say faggot because I hate faggots. You know, whatever it is they’ve still got some spirit left in them.

 

And I think we should, it’s like an Aryan barbarian, and we should cultivate that. I don’t think we should neuter the barbarian nature of the Whiteman.

 

Lana Lokteff: Oh, absolutely!

 

Joel Davis: It has been neutered.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

 

Joel Davis: We need to reawaken.

 

Lana Lokteff: Yes.

 

And part of that is the key.

 

Joel Davis: Much too many White bitches. We’ve got so many White bitches. That’s why we’re in the position we’re in right now.

 

Lana Lokteff: Yeah.

 

Joel Davis: If even 10% of the White race had my mentality would be running the fucking world!

 

Lana Lokteff: I think there are a lot of guys that do have your mentality. They just have it quietly. But when they get together with other bros, you know, they talk that way.

 

Thomas Sewell: I mean, we have to summon the strength. We have to summon the strength.

 

Lana Lokteff: And that’s why children is important. Guys, you got to raise those kids to have that fire, to know these things, to combat these things and not crush their soul so that they’re future warriors.

 

I mean, we’re raising the next generations. This is probably going to be a, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Long war, you know, we need to be warriors ourselves.

 

Lana Lokteff: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: Our children look up to us. Yeah, our children look at us. And if we’re a coward, there’s a strong chance that our sons are going to be cowards.

 

Lana Lokteff: Yes.

 

Thomas Sewell: We don’t need our sons, … I’ll leave it there because we’ll talk all day.

 

Lana Lokteff: Yeah, we need some vikings and shield maidens. But thank you guys so much. Appreciate you taking your time. We’ll have to do it again in the future. Thanks so much.

 

Joel Davis: Thank you.

 

Lana Lokteff: Well, I think this is the most controversial thing you can talk about these days still for now, but things are opening up.

 

The point is we can and should explore all forbidden topics. Nothing should be off limits, including a hand gesture.

 

I mean, I may not salute while making my morning coffee or going on Marches, but if others feel good doing it, its their business. Making a hand gesture illegal is desperate and hilarious and begs for people to do it more often just because its so ridiculous!

 

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Earthling Carl
3 days ago
Eventually you have to accept the race realist argument and JQ stuff or you cease to operate in the real world.

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@W_Poe_White
3 days ago
Judeo-tyranny is here and now. It is escalating.

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@leod
3 days ago
Carl Sagan

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VERITAS
3 days ago
“Jews are continuing to push for laws against what they call “hate speech” — which means any speech which contradicts their lies.”
–Dr. William Pierce

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Dawn Browning
3 days ago
Genetic memory is defo A Thing, no matter where you’re “from”. Blood & Soil.

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@Alison-Chains
2 days ago
I’ve always been drawn to the swastika. in elementary school, i remember seeing the propaganda posters showing different races all holding hands in a circle and knew it didn’t reflect reality. my school was diverse and it became clear to me at a young age that blacks were nothing like us.

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@DancingIsraeli
3 days ago
Sewall and Joel are The Total White Chads we All aspire to be \0 \0/ 0/

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@Alison-Chains
3 days ago
I admire them both. I’ve been following Tom for a few years now. as a woman, I view these men as heroes.

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RevolutionOfAncestralReturn
3 days ago
if the movement that these guests and host say we need is spiritual, and of the people… how does taking the spiritual forms designed by our would be destructors (forsaking this world as sin) and anti-race (the universalism of the abrahamic religions) forward into that discussion, even a point of contention?!
this is what destroyed nearly every great nation in europe by subjugating it to the authors of these religions. All 3 here are smoking crack that they think we can move forward with mental children who need to be selected out if they cant see that glaring obviousness of the problem.

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DOLO
3 days ago
Sewell has a video were he talks about this. It might be the Christian morality vid but i can’t remember exactly. I wouldn’t want to speak for him but i don’t believe he’s a christian, he takes the Third Reich stance on it i’m pretty sure, but you would have to find the vid.

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@leod
2 days ago
I don’t know why you were downvoted? This reddit system should be deleted

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Euroicism
3 days ago
Agreed, Christianity and Islam are both the offshoots of Judaism, both were deliberately designed and promoted by jews to weaken the ethnic identity and ethnocentrism of non-jews… I’ve made videos about that:

@Euroicism

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@leod
3 days ago
Was Buddhism also created by Jews?

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Euroicism
3 days ago
Not as far as I’m aware but Buddhism is largely a pacifist religion with no racial exclusivity therefore it’s not in direct opposition to the globalist agenda of international jewry.

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Bloodwyrm Wildheart
3 days ago(edited)
No, but it isn’t White, so who cares?
We already have our own indigenous ethnic religions that predate it anyway.

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@leod
3 days ago
This “Eurocism” guy is repeating statements only found within modern judaism. Listen to “Euroicism: Religion of the European Race” at
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Bloodwyrm Wildheart
3 days ago
Frankly, I don’t give a damn about his videos. What he said about Buddhism in his comment above is true.
Buddhism isn’t jewish, but it also isn’t White. From a racial standpoint, following it is stupid, unless you’re Asian.

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@leod
3 days ago
Be careful.
You said, with great care, that “his comment on Buddhism is true”.
But it is false.
He said “Buddhism is largely a pacifist religion with no racial exclusivity therefore it’s not in direct opposition to the globalist agenda of international jewry.”
I responded to him with this: “Racial exclusivity in religion is judaism. Of course it has no relationship with any direct opposition against the globalist agenda”
Do you understand?

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Bloodwyrm Wildheart
1 day ago(edited)
“Racial exclusivity in religion” is natural, you absolute brainlet.
Nearly ALL religions originated as their respective tribe’s interpretation of the world around them and the experiences of them and their ancestors, expressed through artwork, song, and storytelling.
Germanic, Celtic, Slavic… There’s a reason they’re typically referred to by their parent tribe.
Pagan religions are entirely racial, as when you stupidly adhere to another tribe’s religion, you are worshiping those people through their ancestors. In other words, you become a race cuck.
It’s almost exclusively the Abrahamic (read: jewish) religions that aren’t racially exclusive because they were weapons designed to be spread as much and as widely as possible; to overwrite everyone’s indigenous pagan faiths and cultural identity, thus dismantling their nations from within.
They’re also monotheistic, which is entirely alien to us. The “god” isn’t a relatable pantheon of your ancestors, but instead a shapeless, androgynous nothing that is reminiscent of communism the jews would later create for the same purpose.
Buddhism isn’t jewish and it isn’t White. It is ultimately irrelevant. Your reading comprehension is garbage.
Do you understand?
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@leod
1 day ago
“It’s almost exclusively the Abrahamic (read: jewish) religions that aren’t racially exclusive”
Jews exists… and are exclusive to the old testament. Most of them do everything except religion, so that makes you wrong. Look at Carl Sagan as the perfect example of a Jew who poisons society.
What is your goal? You just rant and give no coherent direction. White people practicing pagan ideas won’t change anything of a political reality. Maybe you’re just that stupid to believe so?

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Bloodwyrm Wildheart
1 day ago
You type like an actual retarded AI. You’ve already been downvoted, called out and corrected numerous times by multiple people in this comment section, yet you still haven’t learned your lesson.
All the information debunking your little mindless ‘argument’ is detailed in my previous comments. You’ve already lost and can’t accept it. I’ve seen that behavior before.
It’s obvious now that you’re a crypto-jew, incoherently peddling desert myths in broken English to my people.
You’re not going to waste my time any longer. I recommend you fuck off.

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@leod
1 day ago(edited)
You have no idea what you talk about, (you’re probably multitasking between euroicism and this account since you blocked me from both) but only like to express popular opinions in a reddit setting where people are downvoted for explaining things more thoroughly. Or censored just like the popular American negro cancel-culture.
“In broken english”… you’re the leading spirit charging the uneducated American front line, happily slaughtering German Christians for following Hitler

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@Mut_zum_Wut
3 days ago
Love these guys

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@Alison-Chains
3 days ago
i know exactly what Tom’s talking about with the Indian gas station employee. every saturday i stop at the same gas station and the indian guy is ALWAYS on his phone. he rings me up but doesnt tell me the cost. he doesnt acknowledge me at all.

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Heartland
2 days ago
In England, supermarket jobs that used to be for white teenagers to earn a little money, now seem to be dominated by 50 year-old plus indian or pakistani men stacking the shelves etc. Why is a 50 year old man arriving into a country and doing a supermarket job that teenagers used to do?
I asked one once whether the store sold any tin openers? He just looked at me, muttered something in a non-English language. He then walked off and brought what was a manager (another asian) who answered the question in another strong asian accent. And this was a large UK supermarket chain – the old shelf-stacker couldn’t even speak English – yet he had a job, whereas I know many young white English out of work. It’s ridiculous.

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@Alison-Chains
2 days ago
to disenfranchise whites, of course.

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The worst
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it’s so ridiculous we have to put up with these indian turds. they are the most miserable people to be around. I can’t stand them

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The worst
1 day ago
the funny thing is I knew a cafe that was all run by white women. the place was always busy and people loved going there. well at one point the owners replaced all the women with Indian men. place was a ghost town after

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MichaelB
3 days ago
WW2 was the defeat of political White power.

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Silence Dogood 1722
3 days ago
I really hate the anti-White bigots and communist terrorists that are fighting against our people.

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@PossibiltyPilgrim
3 days ago
Careful you don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater with good ideas like bigotry;) Walls make good neighbors

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@Moonman
3 days ago
o/

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@W_Poe_White
3 days ago
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Joel says that we should be White supremacists rather than merely anti-Jewish supremacists. I agree. White people being supreme in our own nations is what makes them our nations. We need to set things up for the benefit of our race so that our nations are once again our homelands, i.e. lands where White people may feel at home. This is the essential goal. Defeating Jewish supremacism is necessary to save ourselves.
I am opposed to Zionism because the Jews are too formidably dangerous a people to be allowed to have their own homeland. They already possess nuclear ballistic missiles. They must not be allowed to become global leaders in technology such as AI-guided advanced military robots and drone swarms and bioweapons, The existence of Israel is a threat to world peace and a standing danger to the White race (as well as the other races). Jewish power needs to be ended worldwide. Full stop.
I am not in favor of White imperial expansion so that Whites conquer and rule non-White lands. The main reason I oppose this is that there is a tendency for conquerors, in the fullness of time, to mix with those they conquer. The White phenotype is recessive. Any mixture with Brown or Black peoples produces non-White offspring. Mixture with Asians is not quite so bad, but still tends to our disappearance.
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Zed Dez
3 days ago
Being that most of the dissident right men think Islam is their friend… well, it’s over. Kiss your ass goodbye.

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@Pandemonium
3 days ago
Yep Mark Collett and Warren Balogh etc simping for Palestinians and mudslimes is sickening

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Echo_Harp
3 days ago
Are you an Israeli or just stupid?

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@English
3 days ago
Jews and Muslims work together at the higher levels. Muslims are the enemy and should never be an ally. EVER! Fucking Jihad never stopped you muppet

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Echo_Harp
3 days ago
Modern jihad is a US-Israeli invention that originated in Saudi Arabia. I don’t want these people in Europe any more than most people here do. Nevertheless, we should not forget who we have to thank for this! Surprisingly, the Jihadis work in the same way as the Irgun Zwai Leumi, the Zionist terrorist organization in Mandate Palestine from 1931 to 1948. They are all the same cancer at the higher levels.

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@Pandemonium
3 days ago
I dont see you going to criticize either of the two i mentioned and pressure them to work with other WHITES FIRST. You just slurp up their bullshit like a good subject then go around calling everyone a jew that doesnt agree with your stupidity.

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Echo_Harp
3 days ago
Filthy rich Jews turn white countries into shitholes. This 3rd world trash is just the tool. But I make a distinction with the Palestinians for good reason. Apart from what is being done to them, they have been able to expose Israel more in the last three quarters of a year than anyone else since 1948 before the eyes of the Normies and deserve support for that reason alone. And they are paying a terrible price for it. Besides, what do you think the port is being built for? They want to deport them to the US and Europe. I don’t need any more people with severe war neuroses in my country.

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Bloodwyrm Wildheart
3 days ago
Capitalizing jew but not White? That’s a tell.

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@Pandemonium
3 days ago
Exactly, and if our enemies are presently destroying each other shouldnt we be celebrating it instead of trying to stop it. There are so many WNs that are just cattle that blindly follow the takes of streamers that clearly have ulterior motives.

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@English
3 days ago(edited)
Of cause they battle each other at the lower levels, Otherwise they would never have got to this point were at has people would have noticed. They sacrifice their babies, do you think they care about some of their own for bigger gains? Like access to the EU that our ancestors fought off!
They are NOT destroying each other in these little battles lol. They always gain from them (sending whites into doing their battles for them for example). Thats why jews are in the Palestine protest’s has well has the Israel protests. Controlling both sides. It’s just a distraction has they fill ALL white countries with N*ggers, Pajeets, Spics and mix breed Kalerghi kids at extreme rates since 2020 and nothing is done about it.
And don’t think the chinese are not working with the jews, They litterally put the CCP into power over there lol
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DOLO
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What have the Palestinians done other than fight your enemies?

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Bloodwyrm Wildheart
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They’re in our countries, mooching.

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DOLO
3 days ago
That was a long way of saying ‘i stand with Israel’.

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@English
3 days ago
It’s crazy how many people fall for mark when all he has on is people who sold out to the jews and everyone around him goes to jail, but not him! Nothing to see here, Move along goy!
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Euroicism
3 days ago
Do most of the Dissident Right think Islam is their friend ?
Personally I don’t support jews or muslims, I hope they destroy each other.

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@leod
3 days ago
But you do support jews. When you repeat that jewish nonsense you say about some weird person only found in judaism you then support jews

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Euroicism
2 days ago
Firstly, no, I do not support jews. I despise them, they are overwhelmingly responsible for the global demographic holocaust against people of European descent.
Secondly, what jewish nonsense about a weird person only found in judaism?
I have no idea who or what you are talking about.

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@leod
2 days ago
If you use their view you support them.
And you do use their view since you say that Christ was “yeshua ben yosef”, something found only in judaism which then supports the jewish view.
Therefore you support jews.

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Euroicism
2 days ago
There was no such fucking person as “Christ”. What the fuck do you think his real name was?… Mr. Jesus Christ, son of Mary and Joseph Christ?… Are you really that retarded you actually think Jesus was his first name and Christ was his last name?
If he even existed as a real historical figure (which is highly debatable) his real name was Yeshua ben Yosef, which means Yeshua son of Yosef.
Most Christcucks today don’t even realise the name “Jesus” was simply the Greek translation of the jewish name “Yeshua”… That disgusting dirty schizophrenic jewish fictional hippy you christcucks all worship was not Greek, he never even went to Greece in his entire pathetic life. He was entirely jewish. And you cannot be a true White Nationalist if you worship a jew, even a fictional jew like Jesus. H. Christ.

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@leod
2 days ago
Eurocism blocked me but I will respond anyway:
Read what Tacitus said instead of citing your rabbi.
Tacitus:
[ 44 ] But it was not by human aid, nor by the bounty of the prince, nor by appeasement of the gods, that the infamy passed away, without the order of burning being believed. therefore, suppressing the rumour, Nero subdued the guilty, and inflicted the most exacting punishments on those whom the common people called Christians, who were hated for their crimes. The author of his name, Christ, was put to death by the impetuous execution of Tiberius by the procurator Pontius Pilate; and the deadly superstition, suppressed for the time being, broke out again, not only through Judea, the origin of its evil, but also through the city, where all things atrocious or shameful from every quarter congregate and are celebrated. therefore, those who confessed were first arrested, and then a great number of them were convicted, not so much of the crime of arson as of hatred of the human race. and to those who succeeded, games were added, that they killed dogs covered with wool on the backs of beasts, or that they were fastened to crosses [or flaming and], where the day had failed, they were burned in the use of night light. Nero had presented him with a show in his gardens, and he entertained at the circus, mingling with the crowd in the habit of a driver, or stopping at the race. whence, although against the sonnets and the latest examples, pity arose for the meritorious, as if they were consumed not in the public interest, but in the cruelty of one.
You:
“you cannot be a true White Nationalist if you worship a jew, even a fictional jew like Jesus. H. Christ.”
Hitler:
“We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our movement is Christian.”
You don’t get it.
Remove that cross from your thumbnail since you do not deserve it.
You would side with the American who hated Hitler, and your imbecile intellectual farts proves that.
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@TheArtemisiolius
1 day ago
Hitler despised christianity and saw it as weak. Peddle your lies somewhere else, Jew (?)

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@leod
1 day ago
That spirit of yours would be amongst the people in the American front line to charge against those filthy Christian Germans in WW2. Your stupidity is the reason to why Hitler lost the war.

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NiggerballsJohnson
3 days ago
I don’t know any serious person who believes that, or would ever say that.

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DOLO
3 days ago
These idiots have been repeating it for months. They’re either bad actors or completely fucking retarded.

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@Jiveturkey0001
2 days ago
Well…you’re a man-hating cunt, though. So who cares what you think?

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@lewpers
2 days ago
Shalom

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@leod
1 day ago
Are you Russian?

@Moonman
11 hours ago
That’s blackpill garbage. I despise both, but I admit I like to see Muslims attacking the tiny hats. Simply because they’re the underdog and I despise semites so much more. Without “gods chosen” there’d be no Muslims in the west.

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@W_Poe_White
3 days ago
1:31:40
Joel says “People who are better than others should have a requisite status.”
It is not enough to say that status should be given to people who are better than others without specifying that they must also be White if they are to have status and power in White nations.. Do we want to be ruled by non-Whites with superior abilities? Talking only about unqualified “superiority” is universalistic. Multiracialist Globalists could embrace elitism. In fact, Jews have such an elitist mentality. Jews are NOT egalitarians.
What we should want is to have White nations with leadership selected from among our best specimens. We want White leaders of excellence, not merely leaders of excellence.
Furthermore, values are relative. What makes individuals of other races excellent is not necessarily what makes White individuals excellent. Part of what constitutes excellence depends on the particular needs and wants of the individuals doing the evaluating. These needs and wants vary somewhat between different racial phenotypes. This diversity of natural values is part of why ethnonations are necessary.

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NiggerballsJohnson
3 days ago(edited)
Joel specifically stated many times to have an explicitly White nation, but the same would apply for all races in their own nations.
I don’t think he could have driven that point home any further without becoming overly redundant. o/

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JVDEA DELENDA EST
3 days ago
I learned a few things watching this.

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Thankyou from Tasmania!
3 days ago
I was living in New Zealand when I entered “mass immigration is destroying the environment” into YouTube & found Red Ice, around 2016! Don’t even talk to me about what has happened to NZ, it’s too sad!

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@Dive2663225
3 days ago
Yes it sadens me so, New Zealand is Probably one of the most enslaved , I’m not from there BUT Every time That MARXIST BITCH Jacenda Spewed, The Communist JEW Crap comming out of her mouth..I Visually wanted to stick my foot right up her JEW-TOOL ASS!!

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Dissident Farmer
2 days ago
Tom is awesome. He’s the closest thing we have to “the coming man”

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Heartland
2 days ago
I agree. This was a great conversation. Hail Red Ice.

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@ThumosMaximus
3 days ago
What an excellent interview. Intelligent and well articulated guests and host, interesting and relevant topics, no self-censorship, timely and well placed use of B-roll in the background, good audio, and they even handled well the delay you get when communicating with “Down Under”. The production quality of Red Ice is next level.
Also very interesting and inspiring to hear about what nationalists in other white countries are up to, so I hope we well see even more content like this.

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Shlomowitz
3 days ago
Super duper important discussion! Many need to to sort these things out within their personal intellectual discourse.

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@Alison-Chains
2 days ago
the majority of whites haven’t figured out yet they’re under attack.

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The worst
2 days ago
Thomas Sewell has balls! he is dead on right we all need to stand up

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@SubRoyal
3 days ago
Population wise Australia is small but man, they have very high quality leadership in their white nationalist circles

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@Libertaebär
3 days ago
Best regards from Berlin.

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Cone of Silence
3 days ago
Most of Australia’s uni’s are privately owned, the Chancellor are remunerated by profit, it’s literally spot the Aussie in these institutions.
They, like the business lobby, are on the front foot with mass migration.
Kevin Rudd opened the foreign investment juggernaut, my best mate’s brother in law was selling blue chip property in Melbourne, the Chinese would turn up the a suitcase of cash and dump it on the kitchen table.

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NiggerballsJohnson
3 days ago
I have complete 100% faith in Thomas & Joel.
I can envision a better future with those two men.
Hail our people! o/

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@leod
3 days ago
Would these people obey Hitler?

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NiggerballsJohnson
2 days ago
-you might want to ask them.
I believe they probably would because Hitler always explained the reasoning behind any of his actions and viewpoints.

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@leod
2 days ago
Yes, they have based their whole theoretical framework around Hitler, but would they be able to submit themselves in real life is my question or could their ego not stand him? I really do wonder.

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@JohnConnor
2 days ago
Where is your evidence that their whole world view is framed that way? Do they think Hitler was perfect? Only a fool would assume that. His underlying premise of race before all else, that has grounding in natural science.

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@leod
2 days ago
Q: “Where is your evidence that their whole world view is framed that way?”
A: Their Antisemitism comes from Hitler which is emphasised over and over. Nothing wrong with that, but Hitler were talking mainly to Christian Germans.

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@JohnConnor
2 days ago
If youre talking about Joel, I dont think his worldview is merely from Hitler. He comes from Western Sydney, if you know the area you know why he thinks the way he does.

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Cone of Silence
3 days ago
The argument always was/is that we need immigration so they can pay for the ageing population, what I’ve noticed is that the children come here but then bring their aged clan in once they are anchored.
As discussed these communities are allowed to have in group preference and they do have it, that’s why the cluster and take over suburbs.
It stage 4 cancer now, I don’t think there much that can be done given the global lawfare system and white civilisation apathy and lack of collectivism.
Possible in the 60’s but not now. The cities will become hell zones once the gloss is gone.
It a travesty.

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Bloodwyrm Wildheart
3 days ago
The solution to an aging population (short of reujuvenation) is to have more children.
Funny how they always conveniently forget this when spouting their bullshit arguments.

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VERITAS
3 days ago
Third Reich Germany had the perfect solution (i.e., incentive) to encourage Germans to reproduce. Do some research if you’re not aware of what I’m talking about.

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Bloodwyrm Wildheart
2 days ago
Preaching to the choir.

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VERITAS
3 days ago
“The argument always was/is that we need immigration so they can pay for the ageing population”
A bullshit reason. The real reason is to brown our White homelands with fast breeding Turd Worlders and precipitate more race-mixing, producing mongrel, half-caste, raceless bastards.

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unHerd
2 days ago
Joel and Tom did Australia proud. Well done, lads. Great show.

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MajesticCasual
3 days ago
Brilliant \\o

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@Aus1788
3 days ago
about time redice interviews real Australians..

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Heartland
2 days ago(edited)
Which is the best English translation of Mein Kampf to read (which English translation version is the closest to the actual German)?

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Lampshade Denier
1 day ago
Thomas Dalton

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DOLO
7 hours ago
I think Dalton has a dual book with both German and English.

White Dog’s House
3 days ago
I think the reason they are scared shitless of Sewell…why they have been sparing no energy trying to break and dominate him…it’s because he can see the structure and leadership of the web of Jewry. Where most “activists” speak in terms of big, ambiguous “they’s”, he explains who moves what in the power structure well.

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Peak Aussieman
3 days ago
The idea of skilled migration, that the poms bleat on about has been bastardised to the point of being irreparable.

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@PossibiltyPilgrim
3 days ago
The point is that a nation’s people don’t need any reason to deny immigration to everyone, invaders are invaders are invaders.

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@TheArtemisiolius
1 day ago
Imagination with a desire and focused will has an energy to it i.e. Magick. White people need to start practising it and throw the semitic christ-cuck turn-the-other-cheek BS out, OUT for good! 14/88 Heil !!

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@leod
1 day ago
Would you say this in front of Hitler and thinking he would agree with you?

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Hvdzee
2 days ago
Top interview!!

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Abby Eagle
2 days ago
At every bus stop in Australia there is a sign with a roman salute and the words “Hail Bus” or “Hail Driver” I think everyone who catches a bus should salute the bus driver as the bus pulls up at the bus stop. The sign tells the passengers to do it so they should show their respect to the driver.

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De Dubius Unum
3 days ago
Total amd Complete Hail! \O/!

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@Dive2663225
3 days ago
Hey Joel, you feel you need a gun if someone else has a gun To protect yourself?
Excuse Me, But Its ok not to have a gun..For A few scumbags to break into your home and stab and beat your family with a baseball bat to death?
How about ..ITS YOUR RIGHT TO PROTECT YOURSELF AND FAMILY, BY ANY MEANS, i wish you luck With your bat If home invaders come in the night.
WAKE the fuck up..the same people who do not want you to be armed ARE the same people That are /Will KILL YOU
5 years now.. I NEVER go out my door without my concealed weapon…AND YOU SHOULD TOO!

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@English
3 days ago
Im not sure why you got down votes for this, Guns should be legal everywhere. Criminals dont give 2 shits about legislation so i don’tknow how anyone fell for the removeal of them in the first place. Boomers really fucked up with been complacent

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DOLO
3 days ago
Probably because Joel didn’t say that. He said he thought guns were cool and we should be able to have them, etc.

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@English
3 days ago(edited)
Read his whole comment…. the end especially! – ‘I NEVER go out my door without my concealed weapon…AND YOU SHOULD TOO!’ He’s been sarcastic at the start. Im english so i spot it easy, or am i missing something \o/

@Dive2663225
3 days ago(edited)
DOLO”- You have a comprehension disability? Listen to his words carefully..All of them , Not just some

@Dive2663225
3 days ago
Thats Right, Espescially When your JEW GOV. ARE the Criminals

@Dive2663225
3 days ago
I hold a permit to carry, I carry NOT because i want to shoot someone, I carry NOT because I’m in FEAR,
I Carry simply because its my RIGHT to carry, I simply exersize my right as an American, Lots of so called rights have been lost or damaged because People do not exersize their rights,
I live in Florida, And just last year, Anyone except Felons can carry without a permit.
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@PossibiltyPilgrim
3 days ago
That’s the thing about “LaW”, Joel said in this interview, “we’re law-abiding citizens”…until it is decided that he or anybody is not regardless of Truth. We only have the Rights we USE. “Law is often but the will of tyrants and always so when it violates the rights of the individual”. No matter the generation, Rights in USE now is the solution and person, property, borders and rights have to be defended lethally. Either ANY individual can defend these things or you get an unjust society. It is that simple, it HAS to be that simple or it won’t work. Kill invaders or get invaded, carry a gun or you don’t have/get one, define, spread and USE Rights or you have none:)
The best part is that individual rights in use perfectly separate good from bad.

AurigaBooks
16 hours ago(edited)
I’ve been booted off of jYoutube, Facebook, Twitter/X, even “free speech” Rumble. Was it something I said? lol
How Hitler and NS Germany became J Woke..

From Bust to Boom: Hitler’s NS economics. 卐

Renazification. 卐

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Heartland
2 days ago
Is homeschooling possible in Australia?

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@PossibiltyPilgrim
3 days ago
Seems courts, “LaW” and lawyers aren’t working? In fact, seems they are the favorite tools of evil?

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Thankyou from Tasmania!
3 days ago(edited)
Always great to see fellow Aussies! Edited to.say I grew up in a conservative Christian home & both my parents would have been disgusted to hear my brothers degrade their fellow students like that! Expulsion seems a bit harsh but posh private schools need to keep their name clean.

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@W_Poe_White
3 days ago(edited)
Prominent among the reforms needed were Whites to be in power is economic reform to end plutocracy. The system we have in the West today is NOT democracy. It is plutocracy plus manipulated elections.
I have created a brief outline of such an anti-plutocratic overhaul.
https://odysee.com/@W_Poe_White:8/draft_anti_plutocratic_reform:e
It is not good for plutocrats to be making the decisions that matter. Political leaders who truly represent the nation should make the decisions that matter. There should indeed be some moderately democratic input in the process of selecting the leadership and choosing the broad lines of policy. Instead of plutocracy there should be a moderate ETHNODEMOCRACY. This means that only White people could vote, hold office or participate in politics. Moreover, there should be further restrictions on the franchise such as a knowledge test. One man, one vote is not a good idea. Whites would also dominate the media and the economy.

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Native Ausnian
3 days ago
Why don’t you name the informant?

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@PossibiltyPilgrim
3 days ago
Remember, if it’s on the “news”, it has already served its purpose, they don’t have to report anything and they are only legally protected if they lie. With “immigration”/invasion, the news can report the idea of deportations because it obviously doesn’t work. We stop the flow or it gets worse.

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@leod
3 days ago
How did the White Australians find about the continent?

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VERITAS
3 days ago
Read a history book.

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@JohnConnor
2 days ago
Your question doesnt make sense. How did they discover the continent you mean?

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@leod
2 days ago
By discovery. Are you happy with the cult narrative of “limited resources”?

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@Dive2663225
3 days ago
Hey Joel Ever here the term, “POME” ? England ( Scumbag Politics / Gov )….Sent all their undesirables to Australia, Pome… ” Prisoners of Mother England ”
If you got it, Then Bobs your Uncle” LOL
Worked offshore Perth in the Late 70’s

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@PossibiltyPilgrim
3 days ago
Joel is a wild man, he’s dotting his p’s and q’s!

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@English
3 days ago
PLEASE STREAM ON GTV

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@Alexander_Ambien
3 days ago
I swear Joel just falls asleep sometimes. That kid just checks out lol

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@MrRoboto
3 days ago
Might have something to do with the time zone difference on many streams. See you wake up at 4am and jump on a stream and not appear to be half asleep or checked out.

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@BLUTFAHNE
3 days ago
Its the drinking milk while being interviewed by Lana screams Larper

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NiggerballsJohnson
3 days ago
-or this comment screaming “faggot.”

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@BLUTFAHNE
1 day ago
You would know all about that wouldn’t you mate!

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NiggerballsJohnson
21 hours ago
Yes. I have learned to recognize & stay away from subversive faggot behavior.
-3 (Incorrect grammar & punctuation.) 66%/Grade: D-

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@BLUTFAHNE
14 hours ago
Your Hubris Blinds You.

Talmudvision Zogberg
2 days ago
Or maybe he just likes the taste of milk.

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NiggerballsJohnson
21 hours ago
lol. – o/

DOLO
7 hours ago
He needs som milk.

@John_H
3 days ago
white nationalists persecuted in Russia??? What are you smoking guys? :)))))))))) Half the Wagner group were nationalists. Almost all Russians worship Russian empire etc.

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@Dive2663225
3 days ago
LMFAOOO!! Ohhh i’m just sitting here…TREMBLING PROFUSELY!! IN ANTICIPATION…FOR SOME JEW-TOOL STUPID WOMAN..TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO, AND HOW I SHOULD BEHAVE, And if you dont? Fines you cant afford? Perhaps Jail time ?
Ughmm JOEL..still think You dont need a Firearm?? LOL

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@AS
4 hours ago
No it is Jews that want to rule the whole world and make you their underlings. The fact you want whites to run their own country does not mean you want everyone else to be less and not prosper even in their own country.

@AS
4 hours ago
The Jews want their power and calling them out is their worst fear so he is worse than all of those criminals to them and they think it is funny to put someone in amongst them. They are disgusting, psychopathic racist sadists.

@AS
4 hours ago
The world is crazy because these special people are in power with lots of money and connections.

@AS
4 hours ago
You know the special people are behind your hounding

@AS
4 hours ago
They wanted to try and off you or maim you. Happens all the time with these mobster gatekeeper elites. They don’t want you to change their narrative.

@leod
1 day ago(edited)
You’re making an impact, contrary to all the folklore comedians and religious nuts.
It is typical of such persons that they rant about ancient Teutonic heroes of the dim and distant ages, stone axes, battle spears and shields, whereas in reality they themselves are the woefullest poltroons imaginable. For those very same people who brandish Teutonic tin swords that have been fashioned carefully according to ancient models and wear padded bear-skins, with the horns of oxen mounted over their bearded faces, proclaim that all contemporary conflicts must be decided by the weapons of the mind alone. And thus they skedaddle when the first communist cudgel appears. Posterity will have little occasion to write a new epic on these heroic gladiators.
I have seen too much of that kind of people not to feel a profound contempt for their miserable play-acting. To the masses of the nation they are just an object of ridicule; but the Jew finds it to his own interest to treat these folk-lore comedians with respect and to prefer them to real men who are fighting to establish a German State. And yet these comedians are extremely proud of themselves. Notwithstanding their complete fecklessness, which is an established fact, they pretend to know everything better than other people; so much so that they make themselves a veritable nuisance to all sincere and honest patriots, to whom not only the heroism of the past is worthy of honour but who also feel bound to leave examples of their own work for the inspiration of the coming generation.
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