Ernst Zundel: Ernst Christoph Friedrich Zundel being interviewed by John Reynolds, former Member of Parliament of Canada, on CJOR radio in Vancouver, August, 78.

 

Radio Host: Oh, hello, it’s John Reynolds, CJOR. Yes, standby please.

 

Hello?

 

Ernst Zundel: Hello.

 

Radio Host: Yes, we’ll be going on in about one minute. What is samizdat?

 

Ernst Zundel: Samizdat is a Russian word and it means to be self published in the underground.

 

Radio Host: Okay, I’ll ask you that.

 

Ernst Zundel: Thank you.

 

Radio Host: Do you also call yourself. Is that the only name you use? Or you call yourself the Nazi Party of Canada or anything?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, no, no, no! We are strictly only publishing books.

 

Radio Host: Okay. You don’t have any organization, political movement at all?

 

Ernst Zundel: No.

 

Radio Host: Okay.

 

Ernst Zundel: However, I’m German and I was responsible for leading the demonstrations against the movie Holocaust.

 

Radio Host: Okay.

 

Ernst Zundel: It is not that we are political, Mr. Reynolds.

 

Radio Host: Okay, hang on a second. I’ll do an introduction, then we come back about a minute after this. You’ll hear it on this tape. Beep.

 

02 Some Commentary by Zundel on the Nature of Commercial Radio and Its Effects on Listeners

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Ernst Zundel: At this stage, it is important for our European listeners to understand that in North America, radio stations, most radio stations are privately owned and that they live off radio commercial advertisements. So every once in a while the announcer will be interjecting and stopping for exactly such commercials. And it is during those commercials that I might come in with some explanations of what was being said, the importance of it and so on. And it might be interesting just to leave a few words of those commercials in there for our European listeners so that they can get an idea of the mentality and what shapes the mentality of the North American and what the North American psyche is constantly being subjected to and why Americans and Canadians maybe think the way that they think.

 

Radio Host: Hi.

 

Ernst Zundel: Hello.

 

Radio Host: If suddenly you don’t hear the feed on the line, hang up, we’ll call you right back. Okay? Just in case something happens.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay. If I do not hear the feedback, then I’ll hang up.

 

Radio Host: Yeah, if you don’t when you’re on hold, if you don’t hear the show right, then hang up right away and we’ll call you back.

 

Ernst Zundel: Thank you very much.

 

03 Zundel’s Pamphlet Promoting Books and Tapes About UFOs, the Third Reich

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Radio Host: Okay. The present airport temperature 14 degrees. At 8:31 it’s 18 degrees at CJR in the Grosvenor Hot Morning Report. I’m Maury Heskit. Have a good day!

 

Next to Reynolds Reports.

 

Good morning. The other day I received a pamphlet in the mail called What’s New at Samizat? It’s got pictures of Nazi swastikas on it. It’s got UFOs that asks questions about UFOs, are they real? It talks about were Hitler and Eva Braun on board, they may be still alive? It tells you can get tapes that you can listen to on the way to work in the morning. Battle songs and marches of the Third Reich. Very strange pamphlet. The gentleman who is an author of a book called UFO and Nazis A Secret Weapon, Christoph Friedrich is with us this morning. He’s on the phone line from Toronto. We’re going to talk to him about this pamphlet and some of the other books he publishes right after these messages.

 

Ernst Zundel: Again, please pay attention to what Mr. Reynolds has been saying.

 

The one thing that immediately grabbed his attention were the Nazi swastikas, as he calls them, and also some of the things that we are advertising in conjunction with UFOs. Therein lies the secret. He would never have called me if our advertisement had looked any different. Had it been a straightforward UFO advertisement, I doubt whether he would have called. But it was the combination of swastika and UFOs that got him to call us and we continue to listen to him now.

 

04 The Toronto Sun Calls Zundel a Fanatic, a Neo-Nazi

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Radio Host: Okay, what is Samizdat all about? The Toronto Sun calls you a fanatic, a neo-Nazi.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, one of the writers of the Toronto Sun does, yes, in a kind of a slanderous article that is kind of slippery that you can hardly sue him, or you would spend about $12,000 to sue him.

 

However, as to your question, what samizdat is or what samizdat means. Samistat is a Russian word and it simply means that all the material by samizdat is self produced, self written and published in the underground.

 

In other words, Sharansky, Solzhenitsyn, they are Russian samizdat authors. And I found to my complete surprise, in Canada, in the United States, in Western Europe, in the Western world, we have our Sharanski and our Solzhenitsyns. And I happen to believe that I am a Canadian Solzhenitsyn!

 

Radio Host: You really believe that?

 

06 Demand for Zundel’s Publications, Including the Book, the Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions

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Ernst Zundel: I certainly do and I can prove it to you. We have suppression of new software, all kinds of intellectual thoughts in this country. We have censorship, not by a government censor, but by self-chosen and self imposed censorship in newspapers due to pressures from advertisers, certain business groups, ethnic groups, labor groups and so on. And I have been in the media field and lecturing, writing for the last, 20 years in my life in Canada. And I can assure you that we have a very definite system of censorship in this country.

 

Radio Host: Okay, you were born in Germany.

 

Ernst Zundel: I was born in Germany, lived half my life over there, and now I have lived exactly half my life over here. I came here when I was 19.

 

[06:27]

 

Radio Host:

 

“And restricted by government agencies to a small group of special authorized listeners. Samizdat that now makes these vital moments of history available to you.”

 

Are you back there?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

 

Radio Host: Okay. How did you get all these documents that you tell us that our allied governments are not allowing the rest of the people to hear? How did you get them? Why are you being allowed to publish them and nobody else?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, it’s not a matter of being allowed. So far I have had several visits by threatening people that I should stop this stuff. I’ve been kicked out of magazines because I advertise our books. But why am I allowed? Because I go back to the original German sources. I have made a fairly good amount of money in Canada and I’m independently well off. I have traveled the world and I have searched out the Germans who were involved in World War II on these projects. I’ve got original blueprints.

 

Radio Host: But doesn’t that prove that your case? You’re saying there’s censorship and this stuff is not being allowed to be shown. Isn’t it really a case of who really cares? Who wants to hear this stuff?

 

06 Demand for Zundel’s Publications, Including the Book, the Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions

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Ernst Zundel: Well, the 12,000 people, after they were able, through some circuitous means, in fact out through my advertising efforts, underground advertising efforts, hand bills and so on, they were very much in favor of reading it. And I have got several hundred letters by people totally unsolicited who said they just love to read this stuff. They’re waiting for my next books. I put out a second book called The Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions that has sold already in the second edition. And there’s the German translation out of it. That’s selling briskly. The first book is the German edition that’s selling briskly. There’s a Spanish edition in the works and an Italian edition and the French edition.

 

08 The Holocaust Movie and Anti-German Programs Are Hate Propaganda

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Radio Host: Surely there’s probably always some people that might want to buy some radical material on one end of the spectrum or the other. But aren’t you really creating, it really looks to me here like you’re creating a whole company based on a hatred. A hatred of jews!

 

Ernst Zundel: A hatred of what? Where do I hate jews? The jews don’t figure. You see, Mr. Reynolds, that’s the problem with you Anglos. You know, you accuse the Germans of having a hangup over the jews. In our thinking, …

 

Radio Host: I don’t accuse the Germans of having a hangup with jews. I accused you of it.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, basing on what? Is there one word about jews in my pamphlet?

 

Radio Host: No, he’s very careful that there aren’t any.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, that’s the point. Because you people, maybe when you were MP up in Ottawa had to stifle freedom of expression through a Bill called Hate Bill.

 

Radio Host: Oh, I never stifled anybody. Why did you pick at the movie, Holocaust?

 

08 The Holocaust Movie and Anti-German Programs Are Hate Propaganda

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Ernst Zundel: Because it’s nothing but lies! Zionist propaganda for profit. It’s that hate propaganda!

 

If you want to see hate propaganda piped into people’s homes, that was hate propaganda on a massive scale! And Mr. Reynolds, I am very sad to say that not one single nice noble Canadian came to our defense. No official government body. That after all, we Germans do enjoy, I think, some citizenship privileges which is equality in front of the law. We don’t get it! Every single night you can get anti-German programs on television or radio. What is this?

 

Radio Host: Well, certainly you would be allowed to your own movies if you wanted to and put that on.

 

Ernst Zundel: But then I’m saying to you, then the censorship comes in that we can’t advertise them, that movie houses won’t carry it. That’s the freedom. That’s what I mean to you. In the Soviet Union we have got the KGB putting Sharansky into jail. In Canada, what do we have? We have the self imposed censorship of certain ethnic groups who wield a tremendous amount of power here!

 

Radio Host: Are you saying that most of the things that were in the movie Holocaust didn’t happen?

 

Ernst Zundel: They were lies, outright lies! And that’s why they didn’t make it a documentary, but they called it a “docudrama” therein lies legalistic tricks!

 

Radio Host: What parts of it were lies? Are you trying to tell me that there were not a bunch of, millions of jews killed?

 

Ernst Zundel: No 6 million jews! That’s the basic point. Were ever murdered in Germany just for being jews.

 

Radio Host: Say that again.

 

09 No Six Million Jews – the Red Cross Report

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Ernst Zundel: No 6 million jews were ever murdered in Germany!

 

Radio Host: How many?

 

Ernst Zundel: Murdered? Very few. Died? Maybe 350,000 maximum. I have in front of me the Red Cross Report put out by the International Red Cross in Geneva in 1947. Now you can write to the Red Cross in Geneva and get that same report. It’s an official report of the Red Cross, into the concentration camps of World War II on the German side. There is not one single gas chamber that they found.

 

Radio Host: What about Poland, some of the other countries?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, are you asking about Auschwitz, for instance? Because Auschwitz was in Poland.

 

Radio Host: Yeah.

 

Ernst Zundel: The United States, Air Force overflew the concentration camp of Auschwitz dozens of time. Now we know that today from released Air Force documents. They never found one single thing resembling a gas chamber. The United States, Air Force never bombed any gas chambers. You know, World War II aerial photography was so good that the British were able to take out the German V1 bases before they were even built and operational.

 

Now, if they found gas chambers and the American jewish community was always very strong in favor with President Roosevelt, they could have wiped out those gas chambers. Nothing flat! But they didn’t do it because they were not there. It is Zionist propaganda to blackmail the German people and to cow the rest of the world into their voracious demands!

 

Germany is not the way it is portrayed in the world. I am German. I was raised in Germany. I didn’t see one single proper German in that [word unclear] Holocaust!

 

[11:45]

 

 

10 There Were No Gas Chambers Anywhere in Germany!

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Radio Host: Are you trying to tell us that there were no gas chambers?

 

Ernst Zundel: There were no gas chambers anywhere in Germany!

 

Radio Host: What about anywhere where the German people, where the Nazis controlled the power?

 

Ernst Zundel: No such thing! When you, if you know the gas chambers, what they were delousing things, but they were certainly not used to gas people.

 

Radio Host: [words unclear]

 

Ernst Zundel: No, they were not. There’s a large body of evidence, suppressed again and censored in the usual Canadian and North American way, that states very clearly that there were no gas chmbers. We have a Professor of Northwestern University, Professor Butz has just written a 600 page study in which he comes to the very same conclusion. They have trials in Israel in which Adolf Eichmann was tried. The entire testimony of Adolf Eichmann, not one single time mentions a specific number of jews killed. Mr. Reynolds, we have had stories out of Europe of 11 million jews killed! Nine million jews killed! Six million jews killed!

 

The Red Cross says they never saw any gas chambers. The Germans statistically have a Red Cross report that talks about all the people died in World War II on all sides. And for the German nation there is 9 million people, including its 358,000 jews who died in German concentration camps.

 

Radio Host: Gotta go for a break. 685-9181’s our number. 685-9181. If you’d like to speak to Christoph Friedrich from Toronto, the head of Samizdat, give us a call, 685-9181. We’ll be right back with him after these messages. Hang on. I won’t put you on hold this time. I don’t know what happened last night.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, I thought we were through.

 

Radio Host: Oh, did you? You hung up?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I did. I’m sorry, I had no idea what the format of the show was going to be.

 

Radio Host: Oh, no, thank you. Hang on, we’ll get back and we’ll take a couple of calls. I’ll put you on hold here.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, thank you.

 

11 Zundel’s Commentary on the Conversation So Far

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Ernst Zundel: We’re hardly into the program and what do we see? This man, a former Member of Parliament, Federal Parliament, obviously not a stupid man and certainly above average in intelligence. Otherwise he wouldn’t do the kind of work that he is doing. This Canadian called 5,000 km across the continent to a guy called Ernst Zundel to talk to him about flying saucers. Fascinated, attracted like a moth to the light by this combination of swastika, flying saucers, Third Reich, speeches of the Third Reich leaders which we advertise in our pamphlet. He only was cursorily interested in the flying saucer issue. Once in a while he comes back to it, touches upon it.

 

But basically what irks and bothers this man is all the stuff that I’m bringing out on this topic. Let’s return to him and listen to what he has to say.

 

Radio Host: Okay, John Reynolds back with Christoph Friedrich from Toronto. Are you still there?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I am.

 

Radio Host: Okay, we’ve got some callers that want to speak to you. We’ll get to them in just a second. I just want to warn everybody because I’m sure, Mr. Friedrich, there’s going to be some people who want to yell and scream at you, but we won’t put up with that if you want to talk sensibly, talk to Mr. Friedrich. If you agree or disagree with, and I hope nobody will yell at either side of us, have to cut you off because nobody can understand people yelling, go ahead.

 

12 Female Caller Tells Zundel to “Lay Down and Die!”

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Caller 1 (female): I couldn’t hear what he’s been saying recently. However, I have a statement here and I’d like to continue with it. It’ll take about 10 minutes.

 

Radio Host: You have to be quick because we’re going for the news. Go ahead.

 

Caller 1 (female): How dare do the [words unclear] come in now and [words unclear] this very many times? Do they think we’ve forgotten the horrors committed against the European continent and their plans to conquer the world?

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh dear!

 

Caller 1 (female): Who was the top spy in the USA, Reinhard Heindrich [sp], working with the American First Ambassador Hotel in New York with ITT, General Motors, Ford Company, Texas Oil, Standard Oil and defied the Neutrality Act by shipping supplies to South America and on to Germany. The then President Roosevelt, drafting his [word unclear], fearing impeachment, dared not make public firsthand information from William Stevenson, a Winnipeg born Canadian who headed the Secret Service in Britain. He’s the man called Intrepid. Germany was close to producing the A bomb and thousands of men and women sacrificed their lives to gather information that later helped to change all. If it had not been for Churchill, Roosevelt and Hitler, plus the Russian invasion, you might have won, but you didn’t! Lay down and die!

 

Ernst Zundel: [chuckling] Talking about hate. Was that love, Mr. Reynolds?

 

Radio Host: Well, you see, that’s what I was trying to tell you. I think what you do sometimes generates that kind of hate when you try to bring back some of the things the Nazis did during the Second World War.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, I want to tell you something that’s entirely the typical Canadian and North American attitude. You people think that you have a monopoly of what is truth and what is history. What you in effect have is your own World War II propaganda parading as history!

 

Now, when we Germans stand up and ever so mildly and meekly ask for equal time, never get number one, equal time. I have to send out a flamboyant pamphlet and I have to demonstrate, to denigrate myself, to demonstrate in front of newspaper offices, human rights commissions and so on, because we are not even getting equal rights and equal treatment in front of the law.

 

[17:48]

 

Radio Host: Well, it will be interesting to see if any of our German friends in Vancouver fall out because I’ve talked to a number of them who don’t feel exactly the way you do. Go ahead.

 

Caller 2 (female): Oh, good morning. This is the first time I’ve done this. I’m a little nervous, but I am so angry because listening to that voice in the radio, it brings it all back. And this is a tragedy of the German people. This man is talking in arrogance. He is talking from a prideful position, saying that we should tolerate him, that we should put up with him when he’s caused millions of people to [word unclear]. This whole thing is going to continue. The German people, unfortunately, are going to have to suffer for several generations, as long as my generation is alive. Who can remember being bombed in the UK you can remember the first pictures of the concentration camps being opened when there were children. You can remember everything about the war.

 

13 Camps for Japanese, Germans and Italians in Canada, America and Britain

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Ernst Zundel: Okay, may I come in here, please? For equal time.

 

First of all, the United States, England and Canada bombed the living daylights out of Germany, killing 3 million Germans! 30,000 Englishmen were hurt, didn’t die, but were hurt in World War II bombing of England. So the score is certainly far out of proportion. That’s number one.

 

Number two, you had concentration camps in Canada in which you put innocent Japanese, robbed them of their property. And you also put Germans in concentration camps and Italians in concentration camps. You had the same in the United States.

 

Now we were in Germany. We are a dictatorship. You were a Democratic country. What did you, madam, do in England when you were in England at that time about those imprisoned in English concentration camps under the 18B regulation.

 

Radio Host: Okay, listen, let’s go for the 9 o’ clock news. We’re right back with Christoph Friedrich after the 9 o’ clock news. CJOR. Thanks for your call.

 

Caller 2 (female): Thank you. I was just child at the time. I couldn’t do anything.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, so was I. But now we can do something.

 

Caller 2 (female): No, we’re not.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, we can prevent the same thing from happening again by speaking the truth!

 

Radio Host: Okay, thanks. Listen, we’ll call you back in five minutes, okay?

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, thank you.

 

Radio Host: Make sure you don’t use your line.

 

Ernst Zundel: No. Okay, I can’t help incoming calls.

 

[break]

 

Ernst Zundel: Hello.

 

Radio Host: Yes, I got you. Okay, I’ll come back in about 30 seconds.

 

Ernst Zundel: It is interesting that during the next 30 seconds I could not monitor what he was saying. So I have absolutely no idea if he was going to give me some kind of a bad introduction or bad mouthing me or telling the listeners I was some kind of a nut case. That’s a very interesting point. Let’s return to the program.

 

[break]

 

14 Why Don’t You Use Your Real Name?

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Radio Host: Tom Reynolds back and on the phone lines Ronald Christoph Friedrich out of Samizda. Are you the president of Samizda?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I own it lock stock and barrel.

 

Radio Host: You own it. It’s no shareholders. It’s one man. Listen, somebody phoned me yesterday and told me that your real name is Ernst Zundel, that Christoph Friedrich are your two middle names.

 

Ernst Zundel: That’s right.

 

Radio Host: Why do you use those as your name for publishing?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, because I run a fairly successful two other businesses. And when I started out, this Samizda thing, it was not flying saucer strictly. And you have to admit it’s a somewhat [word unclear] subject and people are leery of dealing with nuts. So I thought I might get myself a little protection. It’s nothing illegal. Everybody in the arts and in writing has nom de plumes, you know. It’s a perfectly natural and normal occurrence.

 

Radio Host: Let me ask you another question before we go back to the callers. You talk about censorship in Canada and the United States. Would you be allowed to do what you’re doing with your talking about your UFOs about Hitler, about the Nazis, if you were living in Germany today?

 

15 West Germany and East Germany Are Dictatorships

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Ernst Zundel: No, because West Germany and East Germany are the most horrific dictatorships. They make Hitler pale into insignificance!

 

Radio Host: Why would you say West Germany is a dictatorship? They have elections. The German people elect all the people that go into their legislature.

 

Ernst Zundel: Because, number one, it’s a matter of having no choice. In West Germany, the Allies have riddled Germany with spy networks and we have a strictly political police and a political judiciary in Germany. The nation’s element which carries the German State for 13 years, is completely outlawed, has been killed, is rotting in jails.

 

Consequently, what we have in Germany are quislings. We have in West Germany, West German, pro-American, pro-British, pro-French, pro-Canadian quislings. And in East Germany we have pro-communist, pro-Russian quislings. Germany is occupied country! It is not independent. The people who have been speaking for Germany are executive organs of the occupying powers.

 

16 Do You Believe in the White Superiority?

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Radio Host: One final question before we go back to the calls. Do you believe in the White superiority?

 

Ernst Zundel: No. No.

 

Radio Host: You are not [word unclear] with leader of the Nazi party in the United States then?

 

Ernst Zundel: He’s a jew!

 

Radio Host: Yes, I know that.

 

[22:43]

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, fine. Now if you have a jewish agent, he might be a jewish hero in Nazi uniform if he brings out lines like that that conform with the Hollywood image which Hollywood has created about National Socialism and about Germany, that’s one thing. Hitler in all of the 800 pages of Mein Kunk not once mentioned the word Aryan “superiority” or “master race” or stuff like that! This is strictly Anglo-jewish propaganda! It is not true.

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

Caller 1 (female): Hi John. I was born after the war, so this is really all history thinking, but I don’t feel any angry towards this guest. But I am kind of fascinated with him. Fascinated in the sense that I think he’s really taking us for a really good ride. I think he’s really capitalizing on our ignorance, on all these things and all that. But it kind of frightens me too in the other sense because people are angry and not these kind of things get stirred up.

 

Radio Host: That’s a very good question though. Christoph Friedrich, are you just really capitalizing on the Holocaust and other things that are happening to make yourself some more money?

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds? I don’t need to make more money. What I’m telling you is that I am now 39 years old. I’ve got children born by a Canadian mother going through the Canadian school system that are being brainwashed with lies and nothing but lies which will disarm them in any future conflict that we are seeing coming up on the horizon! The western world is in a life and death struggle and doesn’t realize it, because it is looking constantly over its shoulder flailing a dead horse called Nazism while there are Marxists in the highest places in government, the military, the media in this lovely land! That is my point!

 

Caller 1 (female): But sir, you must think we’re really fools because all these things have been past for so many years.

 

17 Problems with Canada and Its Immigration Policy

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Ernst Zundel: You are asses because you allow non-subversives and certainly incapable people of running the affairs of this nation. Canada is a paradise, and it could be a paradise. And it was almost a paradise when I came to these shores. What we have now is our old people robbed of their pensions. We have got riots in jails, we have got kidnappings, we have got muggings. We have got murders on a scale that is unprecedented before. If you were such intelligent people and exercising your duties of citizenship properly, we could not get the kind of rotten leadership we are getting!

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, sir, I just don’t take you very seriously.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, that’s okay. I don’t take you very seriously either.

 

Radio Host: Christoph Friedrich one of the reasons we’ve got these problems because of our immigration policy.

 

Ernst Zundel: Certainly, yes!

 

Radio Host: What should we do about our immigration policy?

 

Ernst Zundel: I was the only person in 1968 that appeared in front of the Parliamentary committee and the Senate committee on immigration and said:

 

“For God’s sake, do not change the immigration policy in this country or your children will curse you!”

 

Mr. Reynolds, what has happened is not the children are cursing the politicians of that 1968 Parliament. Their wives, their mothers, their grandmothers, their uncles and their hands are cursing them!

 

Radio Host: What should we do with our immigration policy in Canada?

 

Ernst Zundel: Don’t import problems!

 

Radio Host: Are you saying what types of people are the problem and what countries do they come from?

 

Ernst Zundel: Ask any police official. Who are being picked up for, numerically speaking, for dope peddling, pimping, distribution sniffing and stuff like that.

 

Radio Host: Are you talking about the blacks and the yellow people that are coming in?

 

Ernst Zundel: You know, that’s a loaded question.

 

Radio Host: I’m sure it is.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, I’m saying to you that we didn’t have it before, but certainly we now have it. Does that answer the question fairly?

 

Radio Host: More White immigration from England, Germany and the other such as that?

 

Ernst Zundel: Certainly.

 

Radio Host: Okay, go ahead.

 

Caller 4 (male): Mr. Frederick?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah?

 

18 Have You Ever Been to Auschwitz?

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Radio Host: Have you ever been to Auschwitz?

 

Ernst Zundel: Pardon me?

 

Radio Host: Have you ever visited Auschwitz concentration camp?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, but I’ve entered Dahau. I don’t need to go to have a piece of fictitious history paraded in front of my eyes.

 

Radio Host: I have visited Auschwitz and the place where it is said that the gas chambers were, which is right beside the incinerators.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

 

Caller 4 (male): Is right in the middle of the camp. You say, if the British believed there were gas chambers, they would have bombed them.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

 

Caller 4 (male): With all the tens of thousands of inmates in Auschwitz, it would have been another “Holocaust”. Tens of thousands of prisoners who would have died through the bombing.

 

19 Red Cross Report on German Concentration Camps

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Ernst Zundel: Okay, may I respond to that? I have in front of me the Red Cross Report, page 92. That’s an official document. No Germans participated in writing it. It is strictly based on the work done by the International Committee of the Red Cross, which by the way went to see every concentration camp in Germany and had even delegates living within some concentration camps. Now I put it to you, if the Germans had something to hide, they would certainly not allow number one to visit, number two, allow delegates to live there.

 

Now, the Russians don’t allow Red Cross delegates to go and visit their concentration camps, but the Germans did!

 

Now, on page 92 it says that the confidence man, the man of Kofiyas [sp], is the French reporter that I’m looking at was a British commando who was captured by the Germans and he was in Auschwitz. The Red Cross delegate asks him:

 

“What are these rumors about Sal Didush, meaning shower bars?”

 

And he said:

 

“They are nothing but rumors. We have been unable to verify that there were such things.”

 

Now, the concentration camp of was in September 44. Shortly thereafter, the concentration camp of Auschwitz was closed and the German razed it to the ground! Every single German concentration camp in the east that the Germans abandoned was razed to the ground! So any structure that you see there, built today was built after the war! So much for your historical accuracy.

 

[28:34]

 

 

20 Belsen and the Typhus Epidemic and the Germans Told to Protect the Camp Until the British Arrived

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Radio Host: And you say the same for Belsen?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, I can explain to you Belsen very easily.

 

Radio Host: That was raised to the ground also?

 

Ernst Zundel: No. That was not in the East. If you were to listen and hear what I’m saying, you could get someplace in the story. Belsen is in central Germany.

 

Now, the commander of Belsen was forced to take up, because of the situation of the war, 20,000 more prisoners than the camp was designed for. Now typhus broke out because Medicines and food couldn’t get to the camp because England and America destroyed the entire German railroad system in Operation Thunderclap, which knocked out 9,000 German railroads stations and railroad junctions. Now the system of transportation and food supply broke down. Food rations had to be cut. Belsen suffered a typhus epidemic. And the German commander said in radioing to the International Red Cross in Geneva:

 

“We have this situation here. If the war comes to our camp and these prisoners go out into the land, they will infect the occupying army, namely Montgomery’s army, and also the whole population of Europe. What should we do?”

 

And the British commander and the German commander agreed that the German SS guards were to go and protect the camp and keep it while the war raged around it. And when the war was just about over in this area, the British came and they took over the camp. And in typical English, World War II fashion, they grabbed the guys who had agreed to stay behind and they, number one, had them beaten up and the torture of the guards and the story of how you Anglos at the end of World War II got your lovely show trials and stuff like that. That’s another kettle of fish.

 

Radio Host: Now you saying, … Gotta go for a break. I have to let some other callers. Thanks for your call. 685-9181’s number. We’ll be right back after these messages. Back in about a minute. I won’t put you on hold just in case we get cut off.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay. Fine, thank you.

 

Radio Host: How’s the weather in Toronto?

 

Ernst Zundel: It’s a beautiful day, Mr. Reynolds. It’s a beautiful day. I wish I could talk to you about something simple like flying saucers. But I want to thank you for giving me the opportunity, believe me. I do appreciate it, believe me. There are far too few people in the Western world today like yourself.

 

21 Zundel’s Advice Re Dealing with Radio Station Hosts

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[Zundel’s commentary]

 

Ernst Zundel: Now a very important lesson to be learned. Always congratulate your host. Always be deferential to him and be kind to him. Never bully him and never embarrass him! Always leave him a way out, because he too has a boss. He too has a station owner, station manager, program manager, advertisers. Don’t burn the bridges behind him unless you want to destroy him. And those cases ought to be very few. Always behave in such a way, even if you have to give a point or two, that you are the nice person, that you are the friendly one and a well mannered one. You don’t have to be mealy mouthed. Be hard and be soft. [chuckling] What I mean is be gentle and be kind. It has paid for me tremendous dividends. And time and again I’ve been told by moderators of radio and TV, the reason why they had me back on was because I always allowed them a way out with their station managers.

 

Now let us rejoin the program and carry on with the interview.

 

[Interview continues]

 

22 Germans Innocent of the Alleged Crime of Killing Six Million Jews

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Radio Host: John Reynolds back with Christoph Friedrich, the head of Samizdat out of Toronto. Mr. Friedrich, let me ask you a question. You mainly deal in other than things with the records and the tapes about German music and so forth, but UFOs, why would [n’t] you stick to UFOs, and stay away from the Nazi angle?

 

Ernst Zundel: Because it’s a matter upon which our civilization fails or survives!

 

Radio Host: Explain that.

 

Ernst Zundel: The German, supposed German guilt for World War II has taken the militarily, economically, politically strongest nation in the heart of Europe which after all is the heart of our culture and has made it the [word unclear]. We are the outcast today. You have had no German input of any significance since the end of World War II.

 

Mr. Reynolds, we have had 138 wars since 1945.

 

Radio Host: In British Columbia the largest ethnic group is German.

 

Ernst Zundel: Of course.

 

Radio Host: They’re top citizens. They’re leaders in business. This situation with the “Holocaust”, and what you’re trying to promote is passe with a lot of people. Jewish families involved in the war. German families involved in war that maybe have some guilt, have some hard feelings. But the young people today don’t have those types of feelings.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds. That’s exactly my point. Why can we not discuss it sensibly? And why can we only judge it from the Jewish-Anglo, jewish angle?

 

Radio Host: What talk about it all?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, we can’t do that, Mr. Reynolds. Why should German people collectively bear the [word unclear] and individually the stigma of coming from a group of people that have murdered 6 million people, if they are innocent of the crime, why should we? We are not, …

 

Radio Host: Number one, that I don’t think is a stigma. The German people living in this country. Number two, there was a crime there.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, was Dresden not a crime? Was Hamburg not a crime? Was Nagasaki not a crime?

 

[34:48]

 

Radio Host: That’s a crime.

 

23 Was the Canadian Concentration Camps Not a Crime?

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Ernst Zundel: Was the Canadian concentration camps not a crime? You see, even, …

 

Radio Host: I agree with you. The way we treated the Japanese in the Second World War was a crime.

 

But it’s well talked about.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, but no restitution has been made, and to put it in proper perspective. You see, we have to first heal the wounds of the old before we can start anew. Humanity is like an organic body. If you have a cancer growing in one area, the body is sick, you see? And I’m saying to you, I want the wounds of World War II healed properly, not festering. And all those people who put on the Holocaust movie that was seen in 70 million American homes at one and the same time. And it was full of lies! ! Mr. Reynolds, they are the hatemongers! I tried to have that movie stop before it started. I am the nice guy! The others are the aggressors in this thing.

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

Caller (male): Mr. Friedrich. How old are you?

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m 39.

 

Caller (male): So you were what? About six years old when the war ended?

 

Ernst Zundel: That’s right.

 

Caller (male): Do you really have no firsthand knowledge of what went on?

 

Ernst Zundel: My dear man, I have firsthand knowledge of being frightened like a dog by bombs falling on our head, by our house collapsing around us. By my mother being chased by American and Algerian invading troops. By the cruelty of your occupation, by the starvation. Don’t come unto me with honeyed words and say I have no recollection of the war. I do!

 

Caller (male): I happen to be German too. I came from there.

 

Ernst Zundel: Hey, that’s nice.

 

Caller (male): And I happen to be a lot older than you are.

 

Ernst Zundel: Good.

 

Caller (male): I saw it was, …

 

Ernst Zundel: It doesn’t make you necessarily wiser or more knowledgeable, though.

 

Caller (male): I’m not saying that I’m wiser, but you know, when I’m listening to you, I can understand, you profess to represent what German people think or say.

 

Ernst Zundel: I never did. I never did!

 

Caller (male): You don’t?

 

Ernst Zundel: I say what some German people think, those who think and not those who think they think.

 

Caller (male): I’m glad to hear that. Because, …

 

Ernst Zundel: You see, you don’t think, you just think you think.

 

Caller (male): I can quite see if somebody listens to you, then you just get turned off. If that is what comes out of Germany. Good God! You know, you’re a nut!

 

Ernst Zundel: What would you like to come out of Germany? Tell me! More reparations for crimes we didn’t commit? More flagellating, more self incriminating for things we didn’t do?

 

24 Caller Recounts Seeing Ss Shot People

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Caller (male): All right. I happened to be in Germany and outside of Germany during those years and I have seen what was going on.

 

Ernst Zundel: You were outside those years in Germany, is that it?

 

Caller (male): Let me finish, please. Just don’t butt in all the time!

 

Ernst Zundel: No, look, get your story straight. Were you in Germany at that time or out of Germany?

 

Caller (male): Yes, I was in Germany. I was in Poland. Let me tell you. I have seen how the jews were rounded up. I have seen them running around in droves being driven by SS people. I’ve seen them being shot. Shot! Just because somebody was straggling, couldn’t follow the rest.

 

Ernst Zundel: And what did you do about it?

 

Caller (male): What I did about it? Nothing! I couldn’t do anything.

 

Ernst Zundel: Exactly!

 

In other words, you were a coward then and you are a coward now!

 

Caller (male): Let me tell you something right now. I may have been a coward! I probably was. I was at the time, 15 years of age.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, if you saw somebody shot and didn’t do something about it, you were a coward!

 

Caller (male): I probably was.

 

But I can tell you one thing, it certainly has weighed very heavily on my conscience. Because what was going on, that was not right. And I don’t give a damn how much you rant and rave.

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m not ranting or raving.

 

Caller (male): You will never be able to obliterate the darkest period in German history. Okay?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, if the Canadians are doing as well, and the British and the Americans and the jews in obliterating their dark parts in their history, we’d have a beautiful world. But as long as it’s only one sided, I Intend to speak the other side as long as good God gives me a breath to do it.

 

Caller (male): I just hope that people don’t regard you as representative of Germany.

 

Radio Host: 685 918 was the number. We’ll be right back after these messages.

 

[break]

 

You get any interference from the RCMP coming in to look at your membership list?

 

Ernst Zundel: Not anymore. Not anymore.

 

Radio Host: They did it one time?

 

Ernst Zundel: I used to be [word unclear] two or three times a week. Yeah, but not anymore. The main problem now comes from the Canadian jewish Congress and their agents.

 

25 There is Always an Uncle Tom.

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[Zundel’s commentary on the caller]

 

Ernst Zundel: It never fails. There is always an Uncle Tom! The blacks have him, the jews have him and the Germans have him. That is if the caller indeed was a German as he claimed to be. He did have some strange accent, that’s for sure.

 

However, I practically smelled him coming from left field and decided early on that here was one guy that was going to be nailed. And he certainly was! And I’m happy that that is now. There is no way that you can allow people like that to dominate the program by trying to be overly kind to them. People like that who mess into their own bed, you have to be short and swift! Back to the program.

 

[39:59]

 

Radio Host: John Reynolds back with Christoph Friedrich in Toronto. 685-9181 the number go ahead please.

 

Hello?

 

Caller (male): Hello.

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

26 Caller on Japanese in Concentration Camps

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Caller (male): What he says about immigration coming in this country. Well, I’m in agreement what he said about only the White race, that White people should immigrate here. But I wasn’t in agreement with what he said about the Japanese being innocent because it was myself I think it was a good thing that they were put in concentration camps because if the Japanese had landed here the ones that were in the country would have helped the Japanese invading forces.

 

And one of Japanese was educated in Vancouver here went to school and had his education here. He went over to Japan during the war and he was one of the worst ones over there. He beat the Canadian soldiers with whips in the camps there and [word unclear] for it.

 

Radio Host: Does that mean that all the rest of them would have been the same?

 

Caller (male): Pardon?

 

Radio Host: Does that mean that all the rest of them would have been the same? Why would a Japanese Canadian be any lesser Canadian than you were?

 

Caller (male): Well, I mean I don’t have any agreement with it. It wasn’t very innocent. You didn’t know what’s behind it. They [word unclear] truckloads of rifles and war stuff and short waves receivers and everything.

 

Ernst Zundel: And Mr. Reynolds.

 

Radio Host: I don’t know believe that gives us the right to take away people’s property.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, if I may interject here. I have read the story of the tragedy of the American Japanese and the Canadian Japanese. I am not aware of one single instance where truckloads of Japanese rifles were taken away. That is a red herring of wartime propaganda. Now in the calmer days 30 years after. That’s simply not true.

 

Number one, I’d like to say on principle Japan did not declare war on Canada. Number two, Canada meddled in Japanese affairs 10,000 miles away from home in Hong Kong. Number three, the Japanese people who were in this country were legally admitted immigrants, had an excellent work record, were frugal, thrifty, pillars of society. They were robbed in the most sneaky, slimy way of their hard earned property. Proper restitution has not been done. When Premier Kuro went over to Japan and apologized to the people of Japan, the columns and the radio stations in the Toronto area were so full of hate towards our own Prime Minister. Just apologizing, that I am telling you Canadians have some skeletons in the crossing and their skeletons are intolerance and hate! And I am bringing those out. And if I speak forcefully, I speak with the eloquence of emergency. Because I can assure you if you Canadians are going to let this thing get done to the Germans today and you were allowing it yesterday to the Japanese, tomorrow you will allow it to another ethnic group. I’m telling you, if we don’t come to grips with this cancer in Canadian society tomorrow, it might be you!

 

Caller (male): Why don’t you speak to some of the Canadians that was taken Christmas day, prisoners in places there, and they were tortured.

 

Ernst Zundel: Sir, my question to you is, what business did they have to do over in Hong Kong? Did Canada have no problems in their own country?

 

So you see, if you meddle in a fight between two bullies, if you meddle in that and you get a black eye, it’s not like, don’t come back, complaining!

 

Caller (male): Well, they landed here, they came here by the submarine. They were just about pretty close to taking over the Aleutian islands. They had places dug in rock there and they confixated all their supplies. Don’t worry my friend, they were just about right to our doorstep here.

 

Ernst Zundel: This was after the war was on.

 

Anyway. Listen, this is a very fruitless discussion. I frankly think that the Japanese were maltreated and Canadians cannot make any excuses and cannot treat it under the rug. Justice is what we want. Justice for all the people, including jews, Pakistanis and Indians. What I’m saying to you is that I was the only one in 1968 to prevent problems from happening. Don’t you see? 1968, the United States was experiencing civil war on a massive scale where blacks were burning down practically every large city. You know, Watts and Detroit and so on. And I said at that time to the special Commission sitting in Montreal:

 

“Gentlemen, please learn from what is happening. We don’t owe these people anything!”

 

Canada didn’t have empire, you see I can see England having to import these people, but Canada should have a policy that is best for Canadians.

 

Caller (male): Well, the Black Panthers are stirring up the Indians here in Canada. And the Indians didn’t have enough sense to fight for themselves. But until another outfit came in here called the Black Panthers and they just stir these Indians up and it’s just making trouble for the Indians. And the Canadian government is surprised that they let these leaders come in from the United States.

 

Ernst Zundel: No, afraid I have to once again put it in the proper historical perspective. You Canadians in World War II allied yourself with Marxism, international Communism!

 

Now, because they were your allies then, you feel kind of uneasy about cracking down on them now because it would mean you made a mistake then. So what are you doing? You are allowing all kinds of Marxist infiltrators into your university, into your news media, and into the book publishing business and into education. And what they turn out are young commies. And these young commies then go out agitating minorities. Naturally, they’re not going to actually agitate the mass of Canadians because they are so lethargic. So they go after the Indians and other minorities.

 

[45:47]

 

27 Zundel’s Commentary on the Typical Canadian Man in the Street on Race

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Radio Host: Okay, thanks for your call. 685-918 was the number. We’ll be right back after these messages.

 

[Zundel’s commentary]

 

Ernst Zundel: What you have just heard is the typical average Canadian man in the street, World War II veteran speaking. A simple man with a bigoted viewpoint. Basically what he is a racist, but afraid to say it.

 

Now, here in me, he had found somebody who was very seldom on Canadian airwaves these days, willing to put in the good word for the Whites and point out their desperate situation. And the poor devil called up and couldn’t really make his point coherently.

 

Yet he had lived this kind of viewpoint for all his life and ended up trying to defend the indefensible. Interesting also is that the moderator, former Member of Parliament, all he could think about was the Japanese property being taken away. It didn’t occur to him that that’s not the main beef. It was not that the property was taken away. It was the fact that in a Democratic country that was not under immediate attack, was not being invaded, the dignity of human beings was being insulted that they were being herded into concentration camps. Men, women, children, father, mother, grandfather, grandparents and so on. They were robbed of their fortunes. They were robbed of their fishing boats and their fishing gears, their farms and so on. And Canadians can make no excuses. And he tried to make an excuse with World War II propaganda. What he pulled on the Japanese, they’re trying to pull on the Germans. Back to the program.

 

Radio Host: Okay, John Reynolds back. My guest is Chris Christoph Friedrich, head of Samizdat. 6859181 is the number. Go ahead.

 

28 Caller on the Suppressed Book ‘All Honorable Men’

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Caller (male): Yes, hello, Mr. Reynolds.

 

Radio Host: Yes.

 

Caller (male): I know you’re first, please. Thank God from your political deal. Is the other gentleman on the line too? Have either of you people ever read the first publication of a book called All Honorable Men? All Honorable Men.

 

Radio Host: Christoph Friedrich, have you read the book All Honorable Men?

 

Ernst Zundel: Is that by the English writer Douglas Reed?

 

Radio Host: English writer who was in Germany after the war. The book was suppressed. A new version came out which is completely different from the original publication of the book called All Our Men. Unfortunately, I loaned it out to somebody. I never got it back. There is a book out All Honorable Men, but it’s not the same version.

 

But in the original publication of the book, All Our Men showed how the Second World War was perpetrated!

 

Now, you realize that IG Farben was never bombed in Germany. IG Farben had a subsidiary in the United States. They made their deal and in United States manufactured and it said on there, it documented made in Germany was sent to South America. The money came back to Germany.

 

By the way, I’m a disabled war veteran.

 

And when I read that book, the original publication, which was the suppressed, showed how Schrader [sp], who was a companion of Roosevelt went to Germany and became the financial expert in Germany. I am in complete agreement. And I fought against you people. I speak German fluently. I’m a disabled war veteran.

 

Radio Host: Make your point, please.

 

Caller (male): Pardon?

 

Radio Host: Make your point.

 

Caller (male): Yeah, but what I’m saying is this. If you could, any of you, Mr. Reynolds and the gentleman there, could get the original edition of All Honorable Men, there is documentation after documentation. And I happen to agree. And Mr. Reynolds, but the other gentleman there were that not many jews were that. Now I don’t agree with all of them.

 

Radio Host: Okay, thanks for your comment.

 

29 World War II was Above All a Battle for World Markets

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Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds. May I say something to that, please?

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

Ernst Zundel: There’s no doubt that World War II was above all a battle for world markets. You see, and it is clearly expressed in the British Foreign Office documents which have been recently released after the 30 year time is up and American Foreign Office or Secretary of State offices and documents which are now being declassified after 35 years.

 

The fact is that Japan and Germany being geographically in a small area, being devoid of raw materials, these two nations must export in order to live. So they were in effect disturbing the international trading pattern. And high finance and international multinational corporations got together the way this fellow describes out of this book, All Honorable Men, got together and they decided:

 

“Well, if we can wipe out the competition, we will have the world markets to ourselves!”

 

You see?

 

Radio Host: Let me ask you a question. What about a gentleman by the name of Speers? You know him?

 

Ernst Zundel: No.

 

20 Belsen and the Typhus Epidemic and the Germans Told to Protect the Camp Until the British Arrived

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Radio Host: You haven’t read his book? He was one of the German officers who was tried in Nuremberg.

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh, Speer. Well, okay, I’ll be happy to respond to this. I’ve corresponded with him. Mr. Reynolds, that man was in allied custody for 20 years! He was only allowed to read what four different nations censored for him.

 

Now, if you and I can put on commercials in advertising and sell cars with 1 minute exposure over the radio or television, then a man whom I have for a 20 year captive audience is brainwashed so beyond recognition that he is a totally altered, different personality! The Albert Speer who came out of Spandau is an allied zombie!

 

Radio Host: So you’re saying the books he wrote about the atrocities are things that have been planted in his head by the Allies?

 

Ernst Zundel: After 20 years of confinement under sole allied tutelage, where only allied approved psychologists took his head apart and his brain apart, they only supplied him with the books that they allowed him to. Every newspaper is cut out meticulously as to articles which you’re not supposed to read, I ask you in all honesty, can that man be balanced?

 

[53:02]

 

Radio Host: May not be balanced. I don’t think he was balanced to do what he did in the first place.

 

Ernst Zundel: What did he do in the first place? He was our ministry of war production. You see, Mr. Reynolds, that’s my point. How can a grown up man like yourself, a Member of Parliament, say that he shouldn’t have done what he did in the first place? Nations in war, always find men who run the war machine for them. Canadians did. Americans did. Churchill did. Why should we not have very capable ministers of war? He was a very capable technocrat.

 

Radio Host: He also knew the atrocities that were being committed.

 

Ernst Zundel: He says he didn’t. He said he should have thought about it. But you see, the point is, if he says he didn’t, then I put it to you, if a guy in that kind of elevated office doesn’t know about it, maybe it is because they didn’t exist.

 

Radio Host: Oh, you heard the previous caller say he was a German from Poland and they did exist.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, a 15 year old kid who was too cowardly to protect somebody from being shot, then to take his word, believe me, he doesn’t stand up against hard evidence.

 

31 Caller Claims Innocent Children Put in Gas Chambers

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Caller (male): Hello?

 

Radio Host: Yes, go ahead.

 

Caller (male): Yes, I would like to know what business this German fellow has to criticize Canada and United States. I mean, listen. They have killed babies in pregnant women and send them the gas chamber. He’s lying! He’s a nobody! He was a little child at the time the war was on. What he know about it? How many innocent children was put in the gas chamber? And I lost myself 40 people for my family! He has a face, he has a nerve to come on the radio and talk lies like this. And people have to listen this. Not ashamed! You let him go on the radio station. You should send him to Germany. He wouldn’t talk like this in Germany. He don’t know nothing about the whole history!

 

There was not killed Japanese children. There was not food to give them. They let the people work till he died. Until he got killed in heavy stones. And he telling stories for the people. They wasn’t killing the jews and they don’t killing. They want to kill the whole world! There was the whole song made up from the Germans. Germany is small, the whole world is ours! What do you think men like this you let go on the radio. This is a shame! I can’t understand how can a person talk on the radio to the public like that? There’s nobody to give him the answer on it. How everything he is saying is lying. What mixing up Japanese and other nations in this program? They talk about Germany. Did Germany know that there was only 6 million jews only killed?

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m afraid you have had the, …

 

Radio Host: He’s allowed to say is a free country, whether we want to believe or not. 685918 was the number. We’ll be right back after the event.

 

32 Zundel’s Commentary on the Jewish Caller and Their Emotionalism and Lies

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Ernst Zundel: Well, finally here we had it. I was waiting for that call for the very first part of the program. Usually, in the olden days, or certainly in Eastern Canada and in the Eastern United States where there is a far greater concentration of jewish people, we get this type of call by the dozens! Monopolizing the airwaves with their emotionalism. Trying to once again cry, moan, whine about all the things that have been done to them, offering no evidence. But for the gullible public, they certainly talk a good persecution and a good crime.

 

Now, is it interesting that the moderator did not allow me to get back at that man and to nail him. He just cut him off. And then, of course, went conveniently to some commercial announcements which gave me no chance to respond to this man’s accusations.

 

However, for the European listeners, this can serve as the typical call. This is why it is so very important that this issue of anti-German propaganda and of this monstrous, horrific lie about Germans killing 6 million jews must be exposed wherever we can! This is the pivotal question! Once this lie has been exposed as a propaganda lie, the world will change upside down, inside out! And our people who have been hated and maligned will become the angels of the world!

 

And this is what those who peddle the lie are afraid of they have gambled wildly and recklessly that they can can control all the channels of communications for all time. If it is possible for us to break through that curtain the way I have broken through with this interview, for instance, on this Canadian radio station, which was the largest radio station on the east coast in Canada, large enough so that they have two private helicopters looking after traffic reports, their own reporters, roving reporters, large enough that they not shy the expense of paying for a long distance call from Vancouver to Toronto over a distance of 5,000 miles for an hour and a half.

 

[58:44]

 

 

33 The Need for All Those Who Believe in the Rightness of the Cause to Help Spread the Message

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Now, when we can break through day in, day out, year after year, through this media curtain with our facts, our figures, our proof, then a new age will be dawning. This is why it is so absolutely crucial that the people who believe in the same things that I believe in, who are unable because of age, lack of faith in themselves or talent in the media, maybe because they speak English with even more of an accent than I do, that they help us in financing my work. Because the proof certainly is given in this interview again that we can make breakthroughs and we can reach the public. And you can see there were all kinds of people out there who are willing to agree with us and who are willing to listen to us.

 

We have all kinds of allies. But right now they are isolated and we are isolated. We cannot reach them for lack of funds. If we had the money, we could buy radio time on every radio station, we could buy TV time on every TV station. Within a very few short years, we could change the German image in the world, the image of National Socialism, which, after all, was an attempt by White Europe to save itself at the end of a cultural cycle and to start and Make a glorious new beginning.

 

If people would only realize the importance of this, we could change the world together. I cannot do it alone. Obviously, some of the members of the jewish community made their usual quick phone calls to rustle up support and to get their fellow racial comrades to get under the airwaves and to give this German, of all people, a piece of their mind and to give them a hard time. Because it is so seldom that Germans speak out in public, and especially even more seldom that they speak out on the airwaves as frankly and as freely as I did in this particular interview. The reaction was equal. Just as we heard by the previous caller every old propaganda lie rehashed, even the canard of “Deutschland ueber alles” or the “tomorrow the world” business. So often has this story been told in Heideggerd UN Deutschland Und Morgen die ganze Welt, that I’m so sick and tired of trying to even explain it. If all the songs that every army in the world had ever sung was broadcast, I think that there would be some pretty red faces and embarrassed politicians.

 

34 Jews and Their Claims of Having Lost Untold Family Members!

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And the fact that he lost 40 members of his family, well, gee, it is incredible! Everyone that I meet of these people lost 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 80 members of their family. Some 200 members of their family! Hell, I can’t even remember 20 members of my family. But these people, they can remember 200! And they all lost them. And yet they’re all here!

 

35 Anti-Semitism as a Natural Self-Defence Reaction

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The next caller is a female, and she also brings out the old war horse of jewish propaganda, namely that the German people had to suffer and have to suffer because of the world retaliating against us. Nobody ever bothers to reflect or give meditation or to think about why the Germans turned against the jews in the first place! Ours was a reaction of self defense. This is why the word anti-semitism or anti-Judaism was coined and created. It is inherent in the very word itself that ours was a natural reaction of a body politic, of a nation, of a state, of a culture, of a race, if you want, against intruders. If we had been for the jews, it would mean pro-semitism. But because of the way these people behaved, it was anti-semitism. If they had behaved beautifully, it could have been becoming philo-semitism. Or if they hadn’t been there would have been no anti, no pro, no nothing. You see, nobody bothers to think about those things.

 

36 As a War Measure, the Concentration Camps Can Be Justified

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And it is once again important that we make this point again and again to the people of the world, that our reaction was natural, that as a war measure, the concentration camps can be justified. However ugly they are and however little we like them. Nobody likes to be deprived of their freedom. Neither do I. But the fact is we do not have to be forever bow our heads in shame because there were concentration camps and there were people in concentration camps. Because just about every country involved in World War II had people rotting in jail, forgot about their so-called human rights and civil rights. Imprisoned men, women and children. And in many countries, notably the glorious Democratic ally Joseph Stalin killed people by the millions and nobody cared and nobody squawked! So we should forget about defending ourselves but to take the initiative.

 

Back to the program.

 

37 Female Caller Supporting the Holocaust Movie

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Radio Host: Hello, Good morning.

 

Caller (female): Yes, I would like to say a few words to your guest too. He seem to be awfully upset about a story that we saw on Holocaust. That story should have been told long time ago. You shouldn’t be upset because that’s a crime that was done and it should be told. Same like all other wars when they’re on TV, nobody’s upset.

 

But now when that story is told, he seems to be awfully upset because it’s something to be upset about. Because seeing something like that really is unbelievable!

 

Ernst Zundel: Madam. Has the mass murder of the civilian German population ever been shown in an eight hour television special all over North American television? Have the rapes of the 100,000 women in Berlin by the Soviets and Mongolian troops, ever been featured played? Have the rapes of the Viennese? Have the murders, the tortures in allied concentration camps after the war, have they ever been shown? No!

 

Caller (female): They might not be. But after the things that they did, they might be understandable why the people wanted to retaliate because of that you should understand that that story should be told a long time ago to remind us all the time what was going on.

 

Ernst Zundel: I’ve been in Canada for 20 years and I’ve heard nothing but this story from one side. Until finally after 20 years, …

 

Caller (female): [word unclear] not have got enough guts to [word unclear]

 

Ernst Zundel: You know something lady? I have enough guts, … Grant me enough guts from my side to speak up for our side.

 

Look. Grant me the guts from my side to speak up to our side. There is no not only your side. There’s always two sides to a story.

 

Caller (female): There is many nation sides and they all agree. Except you!

 

Ernst Zundel: They don’t all agree, my dear. They don’t all agree, my dear.

 

Caller (female): They do!

 

Ernst Zundel: In Tokyo during the war crimes trial., …

 

Caller (female): They do agree on this story, except you!

 

Ernst Zundel: Because you, my dear woman, there are thousands of books, there are thousands of books written in the world about the jewish lies about Holocaust, the blackmail that it is, and so on. It has nothing to do with fact at all! It is a money making racket employed internationally. Just the fact that a thousand guys tell a lie does make the original lie, not the truth! It is a lie!

 

[1:07:53]

 

38 Male Caller Somewhat Supportive of Zundel’s Position

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Radio Host: Thanks for your call. Go ahead.

 

Caller (male): Hello. Good morning, John. First of all, let me put the record straight. This Holocaust business, this is a drama which has backfired completely. It has been produced by the jews themselves. Secondly, we are they always talking about the 6 million jews, but they never mention that there are 22 million during the Second World War who are gentile, Canadian, British, Russians, Germans as well, they have been killed as well.

 

Thirdly, those 6 million jews they have been smuggled into the United States. And quite a bit of them, they went into Palestine itself. To legitimize their claim in Israel.

 

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

 

Radio Host: All these facts they have not been told to the people!

 

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

 

Radio Host: [word unclear] can look for one side and neglect the other.

 

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

 

Radio Host: And two wrongs do not make right!

 

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

 

Radio Host: Exactly what has been practiced by the Germans on the jews and the victims of the jews by the Germans they are by Eichmann himself, who was a jew.

 

And finally the jews they have been compensated for all the damages. They got $35 billion out of West Germany for this so-called story of the 6 million jews. People better go to library and start to read and look to the two sides. I do not believe in killing, but two wrongs do not make right because exactly the jews are doing it in Palestine on the 3.5 million Arab Palestinians. And this is all that I have to say. John. Okay.

 

39 Israel Has Got Terror Squads Going out into the World Assassinating Diplomats, Etc.

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Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds. The week that Holocaust was being shown in the Western world, Israel invaded southern Lebanon.

 

Now, Israel has had three wars in the last generation. Germany has had none. Israel has got terror squads going out into the world assassinating diplomats and those whom they suspect of being terrorists. And there have been several mishaps reported where they got the wrong man.

 

In other words, we have hit squads roaming the planet, abducting people, kidnapping people, assassinating people, silencing people, burning people’s homes down like they did to this German in France, Jochen Pieper and so on.

 

Now there is an international gang of terrorists loose on the planet and they are camouflaging their international power by stuff like that. And we don’t like it. And the world should be grateful for a guy like John Reynolds and for a guy like Christoph Friedrich Zundel to get on the telephone and to alert them to the fact of what is happening! We are a planet in the grip of a gang of terrorists who are using this emotional propaganda to camouflage not their bygone deeds, nobody’s ever talked about them, but their current deeds!

 

Radio Host: Don’t thank me, Christopher. I’ve only got you on because you’re, …

 

Ernst Zundel: Controversial!

 

Radio Host: Controversial.

 

And I think people should know that you’re around because I think you’re, …

 

Ernst Zundel: What?

 

[Call cut out]

 

40 Male Caller Denies Gas Chambers and Disputes the Number of Jews Who Died

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Radio Host: Hello? Hello, you’re there, Go ahead, go ahead Conor, go ahead.

 

Caller (female): The war was over. Hello?

 

Radio Host: Yes, go ahead again.

 

Caller (female): When the war was over I was 15 years old. When I’ve been around in Eastern Europe and then in Western Europe. When I hear this story it’s been told over the Holocaust, you know all the murdering goes on. It’s unbelievable what kind of lies! Because I’ve been down after war and around Bavaria with how concentration camp used to be. There was nothing! There was no gas chamber whatsoever! The gas chamber been built 1948!

 

Ernst Zundel: A Hollywood movie.

 

Caller (female): American supervision.

 

Ernst Zundel: A Hollywood movie.

 

Caller (female): In a little chamber, supposed to burn 6 million jews. Like in Canada, anybody who you listen to in the radio television he’s always:

 

“I was lucky I survived!”

 

How could he survive in Europe, in only 3 million jews? When you go back to Russia now and count the population the jewish in Poland how many immigrants to South America, to Palestine, the United States, Canada, you know how many are left who got killed? One million, two hundred thousand. That’s proven from the Swiss Red Cross. But that story they never told, people died of starvation. It was from 1944-45 because there was no transportation, no food! The food rationing was anyway. I mean there was no way to get the food to the people.

 

Ernst Zundel: In other words, …

 

Caller (female): Other people died. I saw him laying on the road as we marched from Poland to [word unclear] in front of the Russians, you know. And I thought he been shot down, you know from bombs and everything. But after the war when we stayed in Bavaria, so after you went to north German plain there, when his story’s been told [words unclear] brainwashed. The older people over there, they’re dying out. They forget, you know. It’s unbelievable, …

 

Radio Host: Anything that happened at the Nuremberg trials was true?

 

[1:12:59]

 

41 Zundel Talks About the Nuremberg Trials and the Dissenting Opinion of an Indian Judge

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Ernst Zundel: Let me tell you about the Nuremberg trials.

 

Radio Host: I haven’t read them all but I’ve looked, …

 

Caller (female): Yeah, that’s the trouble, you know you only read the one side of it, you know.

 

Radio Host: Hey, thanks for your call.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr Reynolds.

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds I have in front of me a book put out by the British trial lawyer who defends Field Marshal Manstein in a war crimes trial in Germany after the war. And he quotes in there an Indian judge. He refers to him as “the great Indian judge Rahabino de Pal”, who wrote the dissenting judgment which he delivered as one of the judges of the International Court at Tokyo. Now he would have never been chosen number one as a judge had he been pro-German. He was completely neutral, an Indian judge, one of India’s great judges. Here is what the judge said as a dissenting opinion in Tokyo. And the same holds true for Germany:

 

“The so-called trial held according to the definition of crime now given by the victors obliterates the centuries of civilization which stretch between us and the summary slaying of a defeated in war. A trial with law thus prescribed would only be a sham employment of the legal process for the satisfaction of the thirst for revenge. It does not correspond to any idea of justice and may justly create the feeling that it is much more a political than a legal affair. To say that the Victor can define a crime at his will and then punish would be to revert back to those days when he was allowed to devastate an occupied country, appropriate all public and private property therein and kill the inhabitants or take them away into captivity.”

 

Mr. Reynolds, I will tell you that the United States, that the Soviet Union, that England, Canada, Belgium and France behave in exactly this manner!

 

In other words, the Indian judge calls them barbarians!

 

Radio Host: Okay, 685-9181. We’ll be right back after these messages.

 

42 Zundel’s Commentary on the Radio Host’s Willingness to Let Him Speak Freely

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Ernst Zundel: Well, I have to admit to our listeners that in all the TV shows and in all the public debates and so on that I’ve ever made in North America, this one is turning out to be something else. This moderator is allowing me to say things unopposed. I can’t believe it! This has really in all honesty never happened to me before, that I would have been able to so openly state the German case and also to so openly and continuously attack the Allies. There is very little opposition from the callers that come in. We have had an Arab for the first time, an Arab coming to our defense. The reason why I am stressing the Arab is that I used to fight for the Arabic and Palestine Palestinian cause versus the Israelis with great vehemence and never received any support at all Over The Airwaves. And I was completely disgusted by it.

 

However, that was in Montreal. It does seem that the population composition of Vancouver is different and that this is why we can say more and be on the air.

 

43 Female Caller on the Amount of Hate Mongering That is Going On.

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Radio Host: Yes caller.

 

Caller (male): I really, I can’t understand this program this morning. It just seems to be made up of hate!

 

But what I want to say is that can you tell me any country in the world that has not done, you know, terrible things to other nations, like even right today, right in Ireland, look what’s going on. And because a madman, Hitler, and he was proven mad! I mean, because he did these things, why blame the German people? The German are well educated. They’re one of the smartest people in the world. And not saying there’s lots of other smart people, but just because one madman did it, why is it all this hate perpetuated?

 

Radio Host: Because of Mr. Friedrich, I think, and what he’s doing.

 

Caller (male): Jewish people, too, seem to have a heck of a lot of resentment.

 

44 Zundel’s Run for the Post of Leader of the Liberal Party in 1968

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Ernst Zundel: You see, it’s interesting, Mr. Reynolds, that I am supposed to be the hate monger. You can say about German people the most foul lies and the most horrible things. And you can say it over Canadian radio, over Canadian television. You can say it in Canadian newspapers and you can say it in our Canadian university textbooks. Mr. Reynolds, I went through your school system here and through your university system. I ran for the post of leader of the Liberal Party in 1968. I know what Canadians think, and I know what they do you know! You are the people, in effect, who have love on your lap and hate in your heart when it comes to Germans! It’s as simple as that!

 

Radio Host: How much did you get when you ran against Trudeau for the Liberal leadership?

 

Ernst Zundel: Pardon me?

 

Radio Host: How many votes did you get?

 

Ernst Zundel: I purposely dropped out five minutes before the balloting.

 

Radio Host: Why?

 

Ernst Zundel: Because I wanted to make the statement that a man with his own money, totally independent, could run and arrive in Ottawa and make it to the same podium, speak to the Canadian people. And I spoke to them strictly about anti-German hate propaganda. Nothing more, nothing less! I’m not a megalomaniac. I know exactly the limits of my personality. But I use that as a platform to say:

 

“Canadians, look in the mirror, stop hating us, number one, we don’t deserve it, number one. Number two, it doesn’t make you look any better for kicking around on us!”

 

You know, it’s okay to kick around a defeated enemy, but after 30 years, it reflects on the guy that does the kicking.

 

Radio Host: Why didn’t you continue and see how many votes you’d get?

 

[1:18:47]

 

Ernst Zundel: I had no misconception that Trudeau was going to win the election because I understand my fellow Canadians. You know, they were swept up by Trudeau mania. The media manufactured it.

 

And since I didn’t have the media behind me, thanks to my infiltrated cronies in the press, I certainly had no chance, just as little as Robert Winders or Paul Helio or anybody else. But if I had made it.

 

Radio Host: Thank you very much for being with us this morning. I don’t wish you any success because I think what you do, …

 

Ernst Zundel: Really, Mr. Reynolds, if I had made it, the country would be in much better shape, believe me.

 

Radio Host: Okay, well, that’s how you feel, I guess you’ve got the right in this country to do what you want to do.

 

Ernst Zundel: The results are obvious. Thank you.

 

Radio Host: Thank you very much.

 

45 Zundel’s Commentary on the Whole Program and Practical Advice to Callers

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Ernst Zundel: Little remarkable remains to be said about this interview. On the whole, it is one of the most remarkable ones that I have done because of the length and because of the truth that I was able to say. Believe me, in 90% of the cases I couldn’t have been on that radio station for five minutes, and I would have been cut off.

 

But it seems that either the mood of the population is changing, or that the mood of the men in the media is changing, or that this man in particular doesn’t like what is happening and is using me as a mouthpiece. I do not know. I don’t understand it.

 

But as they say in English, why should I look a gift horse in the mouth? The program cost me nothing. The radio station paid for the telephone call. And my cause and my German people’s cause has been once again well defended and well served.

 

For those who are about to get into the media field, I think that this tape could serve as a good training tape, if I may say so, with all modesty, if you pardon the pun. But I have done so many of these radio shows that I’m beginning to consider myself somewhat of an expert.

 

Look at some of the callers that call in. They are amateurs and you can tell that they are amateurs. They are wandering all over the landscape. And again and again the moderator has to remind them:

 

“Make your point. Make your point! What’s your point? Come to your point!”

 

In other words, if you’re going to call in a program like that, write down what you want to say point for point, Rehearse it a little, say it out loud. Nobody’s around anyways. Most people are at work. And then state your case clearly, succinctly and carefully.

 

I learned my lessons and worked hard in polishing my media stance. I just wish I could have more opportunities like this one to make use of my 10 years of training, my 20 years of training, actually. And naturally, more than anything else, I wish I could do it back home in Germany.

 

However, there must be people who have to do it over here in North America. And as long as we are here, working here, living here, it is our duty to speak out and to stand up for what is right and for what is true. Naturally, I appeal, since this is in English, to all our many English speaking friends across this land, the United States and around the world.

 

This problem is not a German problem. It is your problem. It is our problem. It is a world problem. The German people didn’t create it, you helped create it. If you are too young, your father or your grandfather helped to create it. Now it’s your responsibility and my responsibility, our responsibility to change it. Because we live in this world together. It is up to you and I to pass on to our children and to future generations a better world, a healthier world, an honest world, a clean world and an unpolluted world. Not only unpolluted, that we have clear streams, clear oceans, clean air, but also clean brains! And thoroughly cleaned souls! Because we without those two, the other will, number one, not matter, and number two cannot be achieved.

 

Therefore, it is almost ironic that this problem of undetermined propaganda, of hate programs against Germans drag down those who do the hating and inhibit them in growing, because hate makes blind. And throughout this program you will have noticed that I speak very firmly and very quickly and very much to the point, but never with hate.

 

When in my early years and younger years I was so full of pain as to why and what had happened to Germany, and when I first discovered the horrendousness of this lie, I used to get so distraught that I suppose I hated, and I lost every radio program.

 

As a consequence I would say to check one’s emotions, to make sure one is relaxed, not tired, not agitated, and to try very hard to keep one’s emotions under control because the public airwaves are no medium for sounding like some raving lunatic. Speak by all means with feeling, but never with hate. Otherwise you will lose your audience, you will not be understood, and many people won’t be able to follow you. Therefore, try to state your case without hesitation, without humming and hawing, and rather be short and to the point than try to be long winded. And always keep in mind to whom you are speaking. If you are speaking to Canadians, address them on Canadian topics such as Canadian concentration camps, Canadian war crimes and Canadian skeletons in their closets. Don’t roam around the world about the 1918 revolution and this control and that stuff. Nobody’s interested.

 

[1:27:06]

 

Another thing to remember, stay away from figures. Nothing is more deadly and more boring than to discuss statistics and figures on radio. The counting of dead bodies is stupid and lurid and sad enough on paper, but it has absolutely no place on radio and not on television. I have seen how people have lost audiences left, right, front and center because they try to impress them with their knowledge of figures. Believe me, you can use it as a tactic to throw your opponent, of course, but don’t ever think you can score points. It’s a waste of time and it’s a waste of airtime. Stick to simple things that people can relate to, like stealing somebody’s property, beating, raping, mugging, torture, prison, stuff like that. Now that they can see every now night on television, they can relate to that. And if you relate that to them in our case, your point will be well made. Otherwise you’re going to get bogged down in 6 million and 9 million, minus 472,000 and so on. So many jews in Poland and all this, it is useless! Nobody cares. Nobody cares!

 

People basically think what the Germans did was monstrous because all they can relate to is that they might know a jew who is nice, or a jewish woman or jewish kid whom they like. And of course we murdered in effect the people whom they liked. So what we have to say is exactly what I said in this program. It is not our fault. We didn’t start this whole mess, somebody else did. It could have been solved differently if people had been willing.

 

Now, we don’t want to shoulder all the blame.

 

 

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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Monika Schaefer: All right. Greetings. Hello, good afternoon, good evening, good morning, wherever you might be listening from. You are listening to Republic Broadcasting Network at Republicbroadcasting.org and this is episode 27 of The Flipside with Monika. And I am your host, Monika Schaefer. And I am very pleased that my guest today will be Germar Rudolf.

 

Before I bring him on, though, I have some announcements, you could say, a public service announcement. And one is about an event, and the other is sad news that we will talk about with Germar together.

 

But the first one has to do with there’s a meeting going to happen in Powell River, British Columbia, Canada, and that is on the West coast. It’s on the Sunshine Coast. And I am telling you this because if you know anybody that’s on Vancouver Island or in Vancouver or along the Sunshine Coast, please tell them about this meeting because they should go! What it is Leah Gazan, that is the Member of Parliament from Manitoba, who has introduced a Bill last Autumn that is to criminalize the promotion of hatred against indigenous people. If you are condoning or justifying or downplaying the historical and lasting impact of residential schools.

 

Now, these are these Indian residential schools in Canada that I have spoken about before. She will be in Powell River this coming Monday, January 20th. And just a little bit about her. She has this thing called “being a survivor”. I mean, it’s in her blood, on her maternal side. Her grandmother was a Lakota Indian and apparently was a survivor of a school. And her grandfather was Chinese. And her paternal grandparents, they were both jewish. Father was born in Holland, the paternal grandfather, I should say. And he was a toddler when Germany invaded, and he spent the war years in hiding in Holland. And the grandmother was in a concentration camp apparently in Germany. So Leah Gazan has this survivorship all really, she’s expert at it. She’s got it down pat. She introduced this bill. To me, this Bill sounds very, very similar to the Holocaust denial bills in various countries, including in Germany, where myself and my brother Alfred were both in prison.

 

And so, yeah, it’s an issue that I think is really important.

 

Now, the woman who is the local MP there on the Sunshine Coast and Powell River, somebody Blaney*, I can’t remember her first name. She says:

 

“It’s not debatable that it occurred.”

 

And she’s talking about the residential schools happening. Yes, they did happen, just like the work camps in Germany happened.

 

 

And another parallel, you see. So she says:

 

“Every time we act as though it’s debatable that it occurred, we are silencing the voices of people and their families and their loved ones who went through that lived experience.”

 

Again, I see so many parallels with the Holocaust and this is our own, you know, Canadian so-called “genocide”. And they are going to criminalize you if you are merely skeptical about what they are telling us in that regard.

 

So that meeting again, if you have any friends in that area of either Vancouver Island or Vancouver or north on the Sunshine Coast, tell them about this meeting. It’s January 20th, starts at 5 pm at the Evergreen Theater. And yeah, that was that public service announcement.

 

And then I have sad news that a great man in our movement and that is the, you could say the “Revisionist” movement. I personally am not fond of that word. I would rather call it “Correctionist”. We are correcting history that we’ve been lied to about.

 

Nevertheless, Jurgen Graf (15 August 1951 – 13 January 2025), he has passed away this week, Monday, January 13th. And like Germar Rudolf, Jurgen Graf is a giant in our movement of trying to get the truth out there. He not only wrote books, he translated many books, and he apparently was very fluent in quite a few languages. And I think that Germar will be able to tell us more about that after I bring Germar on.

 

 

And I think at the beginning I was distracted by the fact that we didn’t have Germar on yet. I forgot to tell you the date today is January 18, 2025.

 

Also, just a little reminder that if you possibly can, dear listener, if you have the means, please remember that this is a listener supported network and if you go to RepublicBroadcasting.org you will find all the information there for how you can support the network either through phone number, through PayPal, through mailing cash or check. There are different means. There’s a donate button there and there’s the information there.

 

So all right, now I see that we have Germar here. I’ll just give a little bit of background and then I’m going to bring him on.

 

Germar Rudolf has written books. He has published many books through this codoh.com, that’s Committee on Open Debate on the Holocaust and Castle Hills Publishers. He will tell us more about all these things. The latest big work is the Holocaust Encyclopedia. Fantastic information in there! And he has been under the gun for all these things.

 

[Image: Jurgen, Carlo, and Germar]

 

Now he comes from Germany, he is a PhD level chemist, became curious about certain things that were a little bit of anomalies there in Auschwitz and then started to investigate and get into some trouble he is in the United States. I have no idea where, but he is on the line now. And Germar, are you there? Greetings to you.

 

Germar Rudolf: I am. Can you hear me?

 

[08:33]

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes, we can. So would you like to just before we get into, actually two topics. One would be to talk a little bit about your dear friend Jurgen Graf, and also your latest adventure, or shall we say your latest encounter with “the system” in quotation.

 

Before we get into that, would you like to expand a little bit about your history in case we have some new listeners? I’m always hoping that we have new listeners. And on that note, I do encourage listeners to share these programs with others who you think need to hear these programs. Okay, go ahead, Germar.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes. Well, where do I start? Shall we start with my dear friend Jurgen?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes, let’s start there and then we’ll go into these other matters. Please do.

 

 

Germar Rudolf: We both had a similar introduction into revisionism in the early 1990s. We both learned about skepticism on the mainstream Holocaust narrative via the Canadian free speech trial by Ernst Zundel, the second one of 1989, where American expert on execution technologist Fred Leuchter appeared as a witness. And his report [The Leuchter Report] caused quite some stir internationally. Well, internationally you can say, it was translated into a lot of languages. And both Jurgen and I found out about it, got curious about what’s going on since forensic evidence is considered superior to any other, in particular to anecdotal evidence. We both picked up our ears. He was, however, a linguist and not a scientist, where I was a scientist and not a linguist.

 

[See: Book: White World Awake! — Stopping the Planned Extermination of Our Volk]

 

Actually, as a matter of fact, I couldn’t speak any foreign languages. My English back then was so bad that I couldn’t even read normal English text fluently.

 

So he is fluent in, or was, I should say, unfortunately, 12 languages, if I’m correct, maybe it may have been more. And he took a historical-social approach to the topic. He was in touch with French scholar Dr. Robert Farrisson, who is one of the early leading lights in Holocaust skepticism and learned from him the ropes and then started writing a book in seclusion. And I was at the same time going down the scientific, the forensic rabbit hole, trying to figure out whether the infamous Zyklon B deployed in Auschwitz, presumably for mass murdering jews, could have left any long term traces in the Masonry of those alleged gas chambers. And if it could have left them, would they survive the time? And if they survived the time, could we still find them there?

 

[Image: Fred Leuchter holding up his original report]

 

So there’s this question that was raised by Fried Leuchter. But it was answered too hastily, too superficially. And I wanted to figure out really properly. I was not doing it in seclusion because as an expert witness, I was then actually showing up in various German trials, summoned by defense teams to testify on behalf of people who were on trial for, quote, unquote, “Holocaust denial”. And that, of course, I had to have my name under the expert report I wrote. And I had to appear under my real name as a witness. And that got me straight away in the cross-hairs of the authorities who were targeting me. And persecution started right there.

 

My expert report and a popularized book that was broadening the scope to many more topics. Both were published in 1993. At the same time Jurgen Graf had also published his two books. One called “The Holocaust Swindle”. The other one is “The Holocaust on a Test Stand”.

 

And we found out about each other’s existence only when we heard that each other’s books had been published. It was a little bit surprising because our point of contact should have been Robert, who was in contact with both of us, who advised us. And he actually kind of proofread my first version of my expert report to make sure that from his point of view, everything is straightened out. And he found a few flaws in it, fix it, helped me along the way.

 

But anyway, he kept us separate. So we found out about each other sometime in 93. We met for the first time in 94, which was about the time that he got in touch with Italian researcher Carlo Mattogno, who is probably the most knowledgeable Holocaust expert on the whole planet. He was just gearing up back then, and the way he geared up, he wanted to go, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, to all the archives that were containing massive amounts of documents on the camps where “it” is supposed to have happened, whatever “it” is.

 

They were tucked away for decades after the war. The Soviets or Poles, or whoever, had tucked them away for the most part, were not accessible, or not even known to exist to Western scholars, or any scholars for that matter. And after the collapse of the Soviet Union, they became known and accessible.

 

So Carlo Mattogno, who couldn’t speak neither Polish nor Russian, wanted to get into these archives. Jurgen Graf was fluent both in Russian and Polish. So they teamed up and went on numerous trips to various places where the “crime of the century” is said to have happened. To get not only a forensic look at the leftovers in those camps, but also go into the archives, copy thousands and tens of thousands of documents, and started analyzing these. They sat down and wrote a number of books together, one on Treblinka, one on Majdanek. They are probably the most well known that they did together. They are part of the Holocaust Handbook series that I then started publishing.

 

So we were kind of a trio with Carlo Mattogno doing most of the hard archival work. Jurgen Graf was being the interpreter, doing the journeys and he was translating Carlo’s Italian stuff into German for me. I was the publisher initially only in German, and later when I was in English or American exile, polishing up my English, improving it to the point where I could actually publish academic level texts, was the one who was getting the message out.

 

 

Over the decades to this point, we have published 53 hard hitting archival forensic studies, for the most part. It’s the most comprehensive research study series on the Holocaust that exists in the world. It puts any mainstream work to shame! And it is the one series that makes the saying true that:

 

“The Holocaust is the best investigated and documented event in history.”

 

But not as the mainstream claims, but we are the ones who actually document it. The mainstream has, since the war, until the Soviet Union collapsed, collected anecdotal evidence. That’s not documented history! That is “chatted” history.

 

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Monika Schaefer: I like that what you said, because that’s always what they say:

 

“This is the best documented event in history!”

 

And yeah, it is.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes it is! Because of holocausthandbooks.com. So 53 books, so much information and they’re complete overkill! Carlo Mattogno has the ability to go into the last nooks and crannies and describe every nut and bolt that was ever fixed in a German concentration camp because so much is documented. The Germans with a bureaucratic frenzy had documented every pencil then pushed from the left to the right of their desks. So I exaggerate here a little, of course.

 

Monika Schaefer: [chuckling] I think that’s great what you say, because the Germans are kind of, shall we say, putting it politely, they’re teased for being very meticulous about detail. So that is very important. It’s exciting.

 

Germar Rudolf: And it is fortunate because when it comes to two of the most important camps Majdanek and Auschwitz, there are mountains of documents! And the claim that the Germans destroyed something because they wanted to hide their crimes, it’s just wrong! No, they left it all behind. The Russians grabbed it and hid it in archives. And now it has become accessible, for a while.

 

In 1998, 99, the German government put both the Polish and the Russian government under pressure to close the archives and make them accessible only to accredited, officially recognized scholars. So we were excluded again from that point onward. But by that time we had enough material and we think the most important material to actually fill all these studies.

 

Now there is so much material that I have published over the past 35 years, both in English and German, over and over again in new editions and transformed into audio books and ebooks and all the rest of it.

 

And I had all this knowledge and access to it, but I had no overview. Even though I should be the one that has the best overview. It was just too much information even for me to retain. Many times I was looking for something that I know is written in some of the books. Where can I find that information? And I could pinpoint 3, 4, 5 volumes where it probably is. I had to look it up and search until I finally find it in one of my PDF files. And it happened over and over again! And finally I was sick of it!

 

And we had the idea we need to do something about it. An encyclopedia needs to be done, where certain keywords and buzzwords can be looked up and all the pertinent information is right there with a reference where you can find it mostly in our own books, but also mainstream literature, in periodicals, articles and so forth, whatever the case may be. So that the eternal search for something:

 

“I know I published it! Where is it? I can’t find it! This or this, or this?”

 

It finally ends! If I want all the witnesses that have ever claimed that flames shoot out of chimneys, which for technical reasons it is impossible, it’s invented. This is a cliche of the Holocaust that you can now find which witnesses have said it. How do I know? I go to the Encyclopedia. “Flames coming out of chimney” is an entry in there. Boom! There’s a long list of witnesses, all of which have copied from each other and all of which have lied!

 

 

And so there are a lot of features of the Holocaust where you can do that. And you look it up and boom, there it is! You will find it in no other resource. It’s wonderful! And I finally don’t have to search my own books anymore because I have it summarized.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yay!

 

Germar Rudolf: Yay!

 

So it was a selfish enterprise to finally not have to do it anymore. But the thing has been out for two years. We’re in a third edition now. So print on demand. We always make new editions that we keep up to date and correct whatever corrections are necessary. We have sold so far 2,000 copies. Roughly 2,000 copies direct marketing mainly of a specialized encyclopedia. This is unique! We are completely banned from Amazon. No libraries buy our book. Normally these specialty encyclopedias almost exclusively get bought by mid size and large libraries. There is no market really for it. But this one is such an amazing book. People read it cover to cover because every entry is just wonderful!

 

Monika Schaefer: Well, I can attest to that. I can attest to that. One of those is getting into my home. [chuckling]

 

Germar Rudolf: We are getting off the track. We were with Jurgen Graf.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes, well, we wanted to talk about., … But you know, this is great anyway because I did want you to give some of your own history. And in so doing this is what is going on. So that’s fantastic!

 

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Germar Rudolf: And just that was created by this trio of Carlo Mattogno, Jurgen Graf and me. I’m putting it out, making it fit for publication, present it that is presentable and accessible. Jurgen Graf has done a lot of the translation work, at least for the German edition. And Carlo Mattogno is the heart and the engine of the whole operation with producing most of the stuff.

 

So one of these trio of massive revisionist, skeptical producers of hard hitting scholarly material has now died, unfortunately, just a week ago. And I’m very sad for that.

 

I met him the last time in 2002. He came visit me with his wife. Back then I lived in Alabama, and he was with me for two weeks. We went hiking, we sang our German hiking songs and even back home we were having some campfire romance without the campfire, but the romance was there with singing folk songs. His wife Oda, Belarussian, and she is rooted into Russian tradition of Russian folk music. And there are some German folk music songs which have been translated or borrowed, should say, from Eastern European countries. They have a little bit of a Russian feel to them when it comes to the melody. And she loved it! Listening to music that sounded like home in the middle of America sung in the German language. A cultural mix that was quite amazing!

 

Anyway, we had a good time, last time I met him in person. Wonderful fellow, dear friend and a genius when it comes to languages. Speaking Indonesian, Chinese and almost all of the European languages they can come up with. A fantastic fellow! Unfortunately a victim of cancer.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes, I’ll add, I only got to know him and not in person, not face to face like you, just in the last couple of years because, and I think this is probably it turned out to be one of the last major pieces of work he did because he did become ill during this project. But he did translate my book “Sorry Mom, I was Wrong about the Holocaust” into German. And we worked together on that. He would, because I do have a fairly good knowledge in German, he would send me chapter by chapter as he was translating. And I must say he does his translating work from his head. He does not use any computer translating, what do you call it, program? So it is, I think, very, very superior translation because he would just describe something the way one would say it in German, rather than sentence by sentence, just fixing the grammar or whatever. But really I think the German book turned out better because he made improvements and then the publisher did as well. So usually the translation of a book is not as good as the original, but in this case, that is not correct. I think the German book turned out better because of Jurgen Graf’s amazing work!

 

And so each chapter he’d sent me, and then if he didn’t, I would read them, and if it didn’t quite get the gist of this or that in the telling, then I would give him my feedback and he would make the corrections to that, and then we’d send it off to the publisher bit by bit by bit.

 

And I got to know this man, and not only is he a genius with knowing, I didn’t know that until a few days ago that he knew so many languages. Somebody told me 15 languages. I don’t know if that is correct, exact. But he obviously was a genius. He was a genius, but not only in the languages and also in his knowledge about historical events, but a very, very nice man! Good humor, just really sensitive. I have nothing but good things to say about this man. I’m going to pass it back to you, Germar, please.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes, yes, absolutely! He was an artist when it comes to two languages. He would turn a book, a text in general that was a little dry, a little on the boring side, a little bit too technical, turned it into a text that was wonderful to read. He enlivened text with spirit! Sometimes he put in irony and sarcasm where I think it was deserved, because some of the material you have to deal with as a Holocaust skeptic is really absurd and sometimes even grotesque. Now, with scholarly text, you have to be careful with sarcasm and irony. And he was pushing it a little bit too much at times. [chuckling]

 

But when it comes to my. To my personal flavor, I would say:

 

“Right on, give it to them!”

 

Sometimes I had to edit it out because the author didn’t want that. So he wants it to be dry because such a controversial topic, he doesn’t want to ruffle any feathers.

 

But anyway, other than that, yes, he constantly, systematically turned text into something that was better, that was more pleasant to read. So it was wonderful!

 

He focused on translating from the 12 languages. German, French, English, Russian, Polish, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Spanish, Italian, you name it. He was roaming throughout Europe, and he would lecture in those languages live in those countries to audiences. This is amazing! You have to have this fluent ability to speak and express yourself expertly in all of these languages. And he taught many years German, I think, in other languages in Indonesia and in China. So he learned those languages too, along the process. So quite amazing! Quite amazing!

 

Monika Schaefer: Germar, I have a question regarding the translating services that he did. The work that he did he translate in both directions? Like, for example, would he translate a German book into French or Italian or whichever other language? Did he do that, or did he mainly translate other languages into German?

 

[27:18]

 

Germar Rudolf: He could, but he refused to. He has done here and there, English text, but he knew that his command of those other languages is not on par level with what he expected the quality of his translations to be. Therefore, he usually refused to do that, and only when pushed would he agree to that.

 

So, yeah, mostly he would translate from those languages into German, and not the other way round.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

 

So I think we’re gonna be at the break soon. And the original intent to invite you on my show was to speak about your latest adventures, or misadventures. But I am so glad that you were able to talk about Jurgen Graf, because you know him better than most of us, certainly a lot better than myself. And I just think this was very, very important to talk about him.

 

And we will talk about some of the things that you, I think you were arrested. Why don’t you just start on that? And then when the break comes, we’ll go to the other side.

 

Germar Rudolf: Well a little bit of the background. If people had humor in this country, you know, I’d say the cliche is the Germans don’t have humor because I tell people:

 

“Well, because in Germany, humor is illegal. You can go to prison for it. Therefore, Germans are not inclined to make jokes.”

 

So I say:

 

“The shortest German joke is ‘Auschwitz’, because the German word for joke is ‘witz’.”

 

So the last syllable of Auschwitz is the word witz. So Auschwitz is a witz. Auschwitz is a joke!

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, wonderful!

 

Germar Rudolf: You go to prison for that if you say that! And there are so many other [word unclear], you make jokes about mass immigration, about minorities, you go to prison for that!

 

So if you have a culture for decades, it started with Frederick the Great, and he started the censorship in Germany, and it’s been a tradition ever since. And it’s gotten worse and worse and worse with the first pinnacle, you can say, under the Nazis. And now in modern Germany, again.

 

Monika Schaefer: So Germar, we’ll carry on with this after the break and so I hope everybody hangs on and we’ll talk to you in a few minutes. Thank you.

 

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Monika Schaefer: All right, welcome back to The Flipside with Monika. I will give out the numbers now if you’d like to call in and join our conversation with our very special guest, Germar Rudolf. And the numbers are, 512-248-8252, or 1-800-313-9443.

 

Now, I just want to say that what I have seen of just the accomplishments of Germar Rudolf is that he must be one of the hardest working people that I know. And it is just phenomenal, how in German there’s a word “fleisig”, he’s just very hard working man. And so I just want to thank him now publicly for all the work that he has done over the years, over the many years and paid quite a price for all that work.

 

Now, Germar, I wrote you a letter and I don’t think you got that letter. And let me tell you where I sent that letter. I wrote it on December 27th and this is after our long mail strike in Canada. Finally, things were moving a little bit, although they were moving pretty slow, but I think you still wouldn’t have got it. I sent it on December 27th to Cattaraugus County Jail. Am I saying that right? Where is that? And what were you doing there? [chuckling]

 

Germar Rudolf: I was moved from there the day before. So you wrote it a day after I had been moved from there. So it would have been completely an effort in futility. Cattaraugus Jail, Cattaraugus County is, if I’m not mistaken, the West most county or one of the West most counties of upstate New York.

 

I was driving in my car west. I was planning to go to a dear friend of mine who had succumbed to cancer and was having health problems. And she was the last survivor of her family and had no one really. And I said:

 

“I’m coming over, I’m taking care of you. I can take my stuff with me and work from there and we’ll just have a good time, whatever time is left for you.”

 

Because she was terminal and they didn’t give her a lot of time, even though it turned out at the end it was even faster than they had predicted.

 

Anyway, I was on the way there and I got pulled over by the police because there was allegedly an arrest warrant out for me for or some minor thing in a different state, that is to say Pennsylvania. And normally that is a non-extradition affair because for misdemeanors they don’t go through the hoops of making extraditions. It’s very complicated. It goes from one state to the next and it’s time intensive and cost intensive and usually they don’t do that. And actually my case was marked as non-extraditable. So they called the Pennsylvania prosecutors and evidently that changed their mind. And he said:

 

“Yes, we want him.”

 

Monika Schaefer: And just on that note, I’m going to interject here. Do you think that this changing of their minds had anything to do with your volumes of work that you do? Even though this was on a completely unrelated trivial charge from a couple of years ago? What do you think?

 

Germar Rudolf: Pure speculation! Fact of the matter is, the case was two and a half years old. And in those two and a half years I have written an encyclopedia and the team I’m working with on marketing and all the rest of it, we had quite some success lately. As I mentioned, we have so far sold 2,000 copies to normal people for all walks of life. This is completely unusual!

 

So we have two unusual things. Normally a person doesn’t sit down and writes an encyclopedia. That’s to say teamwork of many scholars usually and takes a long time. And I wrote that thing in just five months.

 

So this is an unusual. A Singularity in history because I had all this knowledge already gathered and on my desk and right there at my fingertips. I was in a unique situation to be able to do that.

 

And then I had all the energy after my family had collapsed. It’s a different drama story.

 

[40:59]

 

Monika Schaefer: I’m very sorry. I’m very sorry.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. That has a long story. I don’t want to go into detail, anyway.

 

Monika Schaefer: No, we don’t really have time to get into those.

 

Germar Rudolf: Anyway. I was a caregiver of three children and ran a household. That was my primary thing. Revisionism, I was doing on the side.

 

And then suddenly all this disappeared and I was without purpose and aim. And a good friend of mine gave me purpose and aim back by saying:

 

“We need this encyclopedia because nobody can wrap their heads around this massive amount of work of 53 volumes. Impossible. You want to read it by the time you reach the middle you have already forgotten at the beginning!”

 

So I sat down, did it and then we got a good marketing strategy. It’s actually working! We’re breaking through all the censorship and blocking attempts of the enemy, going directly to the customer, circumventing anything of what they have put into the roadblocks there. Working wonderful!

 

Does it have an impact? When I saw we’re having more success, I said to one of my associates:

 

“Looking at past successes we ever had, knowing that as soon as we have success, the hammer falls. Some big move comes and they shut everything down.”

 

So something is coming our way. We don’t know yet what it’s going to be. Is it that? I don’t know. Behind the scenes, maybe it is, maybe it’s not so pure speculation at this point.

 

Now, coming back to what the background is of, why is there an arrest warrant for me. Let me get back to the humor and try your American-Canadian humor. Talking about cultural collisions. So as an immigrant who, by the time I came, had a fairly good command of the English language already. Not perfect, but fairly good, what struck me, coming from England to America, one of the first things, driving in people’s cars, showing me the countryside, is that you guys park on driveways and drive on parkways. You people need to clean up your language! [Monika’s laughing]

 

So this is a joke. But no, there’s a second, and that’s where it gets serious. If I were to buy, as a boy, boy shorts and wear them as boy shorts, should that be acceptable?

 

Monika Schaefer: The boy shorts, you say, or body shorts? I didn’t quite catch that.

 

Germar Rudolf: Boy shorts.

 

Monika Schaefer: Okay.

 

Germar Rudolf: Okay. I’m in the habit of doing triathlons, and that time I was doing triathlons very early in the morning. It started, actually, when I was at the military. I rode my bicycle 20 miles to the barracks early in the morning. And I realized that normal bicycle clothes for men, almost everything, particularly the warmer ones for the wintertime, they’re all black! And back in the days, there were no LED lights.

 

But if you have LED light, it doesn’t matter. You have so little light on the bicycle. You have black clothes. You don’t get seen by cars. You could get run over. I had near collisions with cars because they weren’t seeing me a number of times. And I threw away all this standard clothes for cycling and went into a store to find gaudy clothes! Neon anything. Neon yellow, green, pink, whatever it is, I want to be seen because I don’t want to get run over!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

 

Germar Rudolf: So that was prior to the Internet. I had to actually go to a store for sportswear, and I couldn’t find anything in the men’s department. I went to the women’s department. Rainbow colors, neon pink, neon green. Everything is there! Can’t find in the men’s departments, all black, gray, brown, dark blue. Suicide clothes! I’m not gonna wear this!

 

So I went to the women’s department and got the shorts and the jogging pants there that have these gaudy colors. I don’t give a rat’s arse. There’s no sex assigned.

 

Monika Schaefer: Besides just to remind, you were going at like early hours of the morning when it was still dark. That’s the idea.

 

Germar Rudolf: Having coming to America the issue is that in the areas I lived initially it was as I mentioned in Alabama. But then in southern Pennsylvania, summers gets quite hot. Hotter than the summers are in Europe from what I’m used to.

 

And if you go to triathlons, you don’t want to wear cyclopants which you can’t go swimming with and you can’t do jogging with. And I was doing also calisthenics. So I needed different clothes. We had the Internet, I went on the Internet and I wanted short legged shorts, gaudy colors. And I found online a pink pair of boy shorts. Wonderful! That’s exactly what I want. Can’t ride up. Keeps my thighs, where there’s massive heat from cycling is produced. Free. So that can cool. And what I didn’t know is that boy shorts is a type of women underwear!

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, [chuckling] I didn’t know that either.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, boy shorts are for girls and girl shorts are for boys! Which brings us back to the yeah, so you can laugh. Everyone can laugh. The problem is some people cannot laugh. If I have pink boy shorts riding on a bicycle that has even pink emblazoned on it. And I don’t know that this is a prominent women’s underwear brand! [chuckling]

 

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Monika Schaefer: So Germar, I have to just kind of cut in here because we’ve got to cut to the chase a little bit.

 

And one thing that you told me on the phone, only because we’re running out of time, I’m enjoying this so much. Don’t get me wrong, this is a lot of fun. But we also do have a caller on the line. But I’ll bring him in soon. But not right away.

 

But one thing you told me on the phone because the whole thing is you got charged with something, what do they call it, “indecency” or something?

 

But you told me nothing was seen by anyone. Nothing! But wasn’t that something the prosecutor actually said?:

 

“Nothing was seen by anyone.”

 

Germar Rudolf: The police report said when they interviewed says:

 

“They didn’t see any genitals, anything exposed.”

 

They charge me for indecent exposure anyway because of a case where they said:

 

“Well even if nobody’s there and nothing is seen, if you expose yourself, you’re still doing indecent exposure.”

 

It’s a new case law and the legal profession is up in arms because that’s nonsense! Anyone pulling their pants down with no one around 4:00 in the middle of a night going pee. It’s also medically induced exposure.

 

In other words, we all are guilty of it because at some point when we were hiking, we had to do some business. Indecent exposure, right there! If you confess to having done it, you’re done! It’s insane!

 

Monika Schaefer: It is why I posed that rhetorical question. I’ll just say it was a rhetorical question. Do you think that all of this has anything to do with your actual work of publishing all these politically incorrect volumes and books?

 

Now, just before we bring on Chance from West Virginia, and we’re not forgetting about you. Thank you. But where can people get your books and where can people go to find those things? Because we’ve talked a lot about the Holocaust Encyclopedia. I think it’s probably pretty straightforward, isn’t it?

 

Now I’m going to put these things into my chat room, which is at Flipside Mo Chatango. I did put Codoh already in there for people who are visiting the chat room. But just tell us where they can get your books and then I’ll invite Chance onto the call.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. The Holocaust Encyclopedia can be accessed, all the information free of charge and a version downloaded free of charge. Or you can buy either ebooks or printed books at holocaustencyclopedia.com Very easy.

 

The Holocaust Handbooks, the 53 I mentioned can be had at holocausthandbooks.com. Very easy. Now if you go to Holocaust Encyclopedia, it has a link in the top menu it says bookstore. You click on that and you’ll get to the general bookstore, which is armreg.co.uk. Armreg is ARMREG. That’s kind of Germar backwards. It’s actually Gamra, so couldn’t make it quite fit because it is actually Academic Research Media Review and Education Group limited. That’s what it stands for. But it was designed to kind of be my first name backward because that’s the legacy.

 

Anyway, these are the ways to get to the stuff. Just brief thing. Is there a link? Yes. When I was at my hearing two and a half years ago when they charged me with this, the prosecutor, when it was about bail or not, said:

 

“Not only do I have these weird habits of wearing weird clothes and gaudy colors and do stuff in the early morning, but I’m also an intellectual pervert because I’m the leading international Holocaust denier who dodges the law by running from one country to another. And that’s the reason why I shouldn’t be allowed to get bailed.”

 

So there you have it. Clear violation of First Amendment. Throwing stuff in there has nothing to do with it. And declaring me an intellectual pervert because I dare to single handedly write an encyclopedia. That’s perversion!

 

Monika Schaefer: Bingo. There you have it. They’re trying to charge you with being a pervert. But it’s the intellectual pervert that they are calling you.

 

Okay, Chance from West Virginia. And we do have only a few minutes left and we’ve also got another caller on the line. So please give your comment or question for Germar.

 

Chance: Hello. Yes, yes, gutenab Monika and Herr Rudolf. I couldn’t believe Jurgen Graf has passed away. He’s only nine years older than me.

 

Now, Mr. Rudolf, you rekindled my memory hearing Jurgen Graf’s name. I went to my personal library and I pulled out a book that I bought over to 20 years ago, if you can recall it. The Giant with Feet of Clay.

 

Germar Rudolf: Of course. I published it. Yes.

 

 

Chance: Yes. Raul Hilberg and his standard work on the Holocaust. Yes, and I like that phrase that Raul Hilberg made in the lower right hand corner of the book:

 

“Superficiality is the major disease in the field of Holocaust studies.”

 

Germar Rudolf: Includes him!

 

 

Chance: Yes, yes. And can I ask you another question, Mr. Rudolf? You wrote a book in German with Sybil Schroeder, it says. I’m skimming through the book right. Now I’m going to reread it again to refresh my memory. I haven’t read it in 15 years. Do you still write with Sybil Schroeder?

 

Germar Rudolf: Sibyl Schroeder was a pen name of Ingrid Weckert. And that was not a book, that was an article. And it was included as an introduction to the article on Einsatzgruppen murders in Dissecting the Holocaust. You can find it there.

 

Chance: Yes. It was written in the German language.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. It’s translated in English, in Dissecting the Holocaust.

 

Chance: Yes. Yes. This book here, the Giant with Feet of Clay is, I think, the English edition is 2001, I believe. I purchased this book quite a while ago. And Jurgen Graf would have only been 73 or 74 years old when he passed away, correct?

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes, 73.

 

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Monika Schaefer: He was born in 1951, so in August.

 

Chance: Rather young.

Germar Rudolf: The Giant with Feet of Clay exists now in a new edition that was put out just two and a half years ago. Updated and you can find it as I mentioned on armreg.co.uk. You search for “giant”, and boom, there it is.

 

Chance: If I may ask you real quick before I hang up, if you don’t mind. What part of Germany are you from?

 

Germar Rudolf: Northwest of Frankfurt. That’s where I was born and grew up.

 

Chance: My relatives are from the Black Forest region, originally.

 

Monika Schaefer: Okay, Chance, I’m going to let you go. Not to be rude, but we do have several more callers in just a few minutes left. Thank you very much for calling.

 

So, Joe from Florida, are you there? Mr. Producer? Yeah, is that Joe? Hello?

 

Joe: Hey, Monika, thanks for taking my call.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, all right. Do you have a question?

 

Joe: Yeah, real quick. By the way, I just want to validate what Germar was saying. I’m a crazy addicted man who’s a bike rider and I know exactly what he means about wearing light clothes at night. I totally identify, just FYI. So I validate that.

 

But here’s the thing. It’s my opinion, Germar, that you are, and Monika and the great Ernst Zundel, you have all done the thing, which is, in my opinion, you have paid great tribute to your ancestors. Okay? And speaking as somebody with Swiss German heritage, we need to honor you and for you and for Monika and somebody like Ernst Zundel.

 

But it’s interesting. I want to see your idea. It seems as though it was almost necessary for each of you in your own way to actually get out of the homeland, get out of Germany in order to be free enough and courageous, I have to say, to write and do the work that you’ve done that has done such great tribute to your ancestors, who were very viciously maligned by the jewish Mafia in this country and in Germany, which they controlled. What do you think about this idea that it was necessary to emigrate?

 

Germar Rudolf: This is a German tradition. Karl Marx had to go to England to write his books. He couldn’t do it in Germany.

 

Now, that’s the polar opposite of maybe, in a way, but there is a tradition. There were German Professors who were fighting for national unification of Germany in the 1840s. And they all had to leave Germany, or many of them, because they were persecuted and they had brought to work from outside Germany. Unfortunately, that is tradition that comes with a tradition of censorship and oppression in Germany that has been there for centuries. It’s not a domain of National Socialism. It’s a domain of German culture and tradition unfortunately. People do not fight for their freedom of speech. They are easy to submit to government demands of ratting out neighbors and thinking pretty correct. And forming a lynch mob against dissidents. That’s an unfortunate tradition in Germany, I must say.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, so that’s a very good observation, Joe, that you make, first of all, about people leaving to be able to speak, and also about honoring our ancestors. And sorry to let you go, but thank you for your call.

 

Joe: Thank you.

 

Monika Schaefer: And I’ll take another caller. And we just have a very short amount of time. Barbie from, I’ve lost where you’re from, but please, Mr. Producer, could you bring on. Yes, Washington, D.C.

 

Barbie: It’s Barbie from Washington, D.C.

 

Monika Schaefer: Barbie Novak!

 

Barbie: Yes, I want to talk about the nudity. And I wanted to stick up for him because I was a nude model in Washington, Las Vegas.

 

My art teacher from Harvard was a nude teacher. I’ve taken lessons with her. And she gave me three of her paintings. I bought one. I have three nude males in my storage. [chuckling] You know what I mean? And it’s like:

 

“What are they doing to him?”

 

Now the one thing is, I was going to sell those three paintings. No one on Ebay wanted them. They would give a million dollars for a nude female. Zero. They don’t even exist.

 

So I think you’re being prejudiced against because you’re a male and nude. And I love to be at your trial! I love to speak up for you! I’ll bring my three paintings, my nude males with me.

 

Monika Schaefer: Germar, please, can you tell people where and when the trial is that that she could come?

 

Germar Rudolf: It’s not scheduled yet. It’s not scheduled yet. The schedule may happen in late February, so I don’t know yet. When it comes to this, I’ve gotten in contact with people who call themselves nudists and naturists. And the first encounter I had after these things, and I found out I didn’t even know what that means. And I happened to live together with a guy who called himself naturist. And I must say, I’m neither of these things. I have a completely relaxed German attitude to my body. I think that the natural state of anyone’s body can’t be a crime in itself. It depends on what you do with it.

 

But I’m just coming from a different culture and I’m thoughtlessly changing in public from one pants to another without thinking anything, because that’s what everyone does in Germany. And I didn’t realize initially it’s a problem in this country. Even though it is not a sexual activity, it’s not indecent exposure. It’s decent exposure for a few seconds to change! And there are other things that are going on. I don’t do these things intentionally. It was cultural collision because it’s just different in Germany.

 

Monika Schaefer: I like that word. We’re going to end on that “cultural collision”.

 

And of course you know your intellectual [chuckling] activities that they didn’t like. Thank you so much, Germar. Thank you to the listeners and the callers and thank you to the producer. And we will catch you next week. Thank you everybody.

 

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Blewitt
January 18, 22:31
I first learned of Holocaust Revisionism from a book written in the 1970s. This book was _The Hoax of the Twentieth Century_ by Arthur Butz, who was a professor of electrical engineering at Northwestern University.

kati
January 19, 09:04
im living near Hannover in germany, von der Leyen is near me here, we are said to be the most humorless in germany, stocksteif hochdeutsch thats what we are, wir gehen zum Lachen in den Keller is a saying we have here, we are serious by nature. Even the most nothern germans at the coast have more humour, south germans sure anyway always, or famous rheinländisch humour, thats not the case here, we go into the basement if we have to laugh.

kati
January 19, 09:21
Gemma oDoherty did a 2 hour talk with Germar too, highly recommended, and Kevin Barrett too, sure he tells the story more detailed when he is over 2 hours at them.
Imho the police did a trap on him, it was on purpose they got him, Germar should be careful in future he does not run into another trap.
And his experience in the jail was pure nightmare for me, they put him on purpose to the blacks, i would be rather with turks together but never blacks, thats the worst. Here in germany the prisons are mostly filled with these, but Alfred sure made that experience. My record is clean, i keep my opinions private, if i had to go to prison here in germany i would lose the last bit i have.
Thanks for the show like always very amazing und Grüße aus Deutschland!

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The Liberation of the Camps: Facts vs. Lies

The Plum Cake

 

 

 

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The Realist Report with Carolyn Yeager on Johnson vs Anglin debate — TRANSCRIPT

 

 

 

Monika Schaefer – The Flipside with Monika – Ep 1 – Intro – Jun 29, 2024 – Transcript

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 2 – Jul 6, 2024 – Transcript

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 03 with Paul Fromm – Jul 13, 2024 – Transcript

Monika Schaefer – The Flipside with Monika – Ep 04 with Oscar – Jul 20, 2024 – Transcript

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 08 with Alfred Schaefer – Aug 17, 2024 – Transcript

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 09 with Grace Eki Oyama – Aug 24, 2024 – Transcript

Monika Schaefer – The Flipside with Monika – Ep 15 with Jürgen Neumann on Ernst Zündel – Oct 12, 2024 – Transcript

The Flipside with Monika – Ep 18 with Jürgen Neumann – Nov 2, 2024 – Transcript

 

 

 

Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Jim Rizoli: Hi, everyone. Jim Rizoli here in communist Massachusetts with Monika Schaefer today. Actually, I still get confused, where you’re living.

 

Monika Schaefer: I’m in British Columbia, the westernmost province of Canada.

 

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay, so she’s in British Columbia. And today we’re going to have a nice discussion because Monika published a book! Isn’t this exciting? And so we’re going to talk about that I’m going to show you the book on the Barnes Review site, and we’re going to talk to her about how she came to the conclusion to write this book. And then I’m going to show you some other things, too, when we do a share screen. So we’ll go from there. How’s that?

 

Monika Schaefer: Perfect.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay. So, Monika, let’s talk about your book that you wrote. What’s the name of your book?

 

 

Monika Schaefer: It has the same title as the video that kind of started this whole firestorm going, you could call it. It’s called “Sorry, Mom. I was Wrong about the Holocaust”.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay, very good. All right, I’m going to go to the share screen right now, and I’m going to see if I can pull up the site, which I hope I can do here. Here it is here. Can you see that, Monika?

 

Monika Schaefer: I do. I see it. Yes.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay, so here is the book, and it’s being published by Barnes Review. All right. And that’s the cover of the book.

 

 

Monika Schaefer: That’s right. If you scroll down a little bit, you’ll see the rest of the cover because it doesn’t show the author on your screen.

 

Jim Rizoli: Oh, yeah.

 

Monika Schaefer: There you go and then there’s a little description there. I think that’s what appears on the back cover. And just to let you know, Jim, I don’t actually have the book physically in my hand yet because the mail is very slow. And I’m getting it from the Barnes Review, too, right? Like they published it. It’s not printed here in Canada. It’s printed in the United States. So I’m still awaiting my shipment.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay, so this is the site, folks. I’ll put the link on the site of our video today. So it is the Barnes Review, though.

 

So if you want the Barnes Review anyway, Barnes Review dot org and get in the products page, book page, you’re going to find a book there. And it’s a very reasonable cost, $25, which is good.

 

All right, so now, again, here’s the information I really did know. I guess it’s your family situation here. Maybe you could go over and talk about something on this page here, Monika, about your background and your life, how you came about in life.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, well, my parents, they were born and raised in Germany. They were German people, both parents. And like so many other Germans who left Germany in the late 40s, early fifties. And after that, like many, many Germans, ended up in sort of all parts of the world. You know, Germany was flattened in the war there. There was so much destruction there.

 

And my parents immigrated to Canada. Really, it was my dad’s dream, since he was a child, actually, to go to the north, to the Arctic, because he was very interested in the Eskimos, as they were called then. So that was kind of the background to that. That was his lifelong dream, actually.

 

So it actually had less to do with with the war and devastation than his lifelong dream to go to the Eskimos in northern Canada. But before he left Germany, he met my mom and fell in love. And so she came, followed him a year later. That was in the early fifties.

 

And then they had five children. I’m the fourth of five, and where do you want to go from there?

 

Jim Rizoli: Well, that’s good. We just get kind of a background. So now we’ll move up to where your problems started. [chuckling] Okay. Think about it. You’re German now, you’re living in the country, in Canada, and you’re German and obviously you had some problems living there, right? Being German.

 

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Monika Schaefer: Well, you mentioned that you’re going to show the video and so I won’t go into the story because that little six minute video actually tells it in a nutshell.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay, well, let’s get to the video right here. Okay. Let me pull it up. It’s on the BitChute channel for people that want to find it. It’s easy to find. Just put Monika Schaefer. It will come up.

 

But anyway, here’s the video. Let’s take a look. Let’s see how this works. Okay, so there you are. All right. And I’ll put it up so you can see it. All right, let’s play the video of Monika. What year was this?

 

Monika Schaefer: 2016. I did this video, and I was in Germany. I was visiting my brother Alfred, Alfred Schaefer. He has been living, he’s reverse migrated, so he went to Germany and ended up staying there. And I think he went something mid 80s. So he’s been there for decades and so he’s like a reverse immigration, right?

 

Jim Rizoli: All right, so let’s play the video and then we’ll talk about this a little bit later. All right.

 

 

Hello I’m Monika Shafer. I was born and raised in Canada, first generation Canadian citizen of German heritage. My parents both came from Germany. They immigrated to Canada in 1951 and ‘52, respectively. There was a bit of a disconnect between what I experienced in the home life and what I felt outside the home.

I love the rich German traditions and culture that I grew up with and yet, I felt ashamed of my Germanness when I was at school, or outside with my friends. I learned very quickly to hide my heritage. It started in the first week of school. Day one, I wore my beautiful little dirndl, a traditional German dress and on day two, children were taunting me:

“Oh you forgot to take off your apron! Ha ha ha!”

 

As they were running away, or:

“Heil Hitler! Ha ha!”

 

Again taunting me.

I didn’t exactly know the meaning of that, but I knew it was not friendly. They were being cruel. That was very clear to me.

I’m reminded, just now, of the plight of the indigenous peoples of North America. They were also made to be ashamed of their culture.

I would like to share with you now a deep regret that I have for something which I would like to apologize to my parents for, but cannot, because they are no longer alive. Many years ago, I reproached my mother. You see I had been thoroughly indoctrinated as we all were. The stories seemed to be all around us, in school, in television in the very air, and the evilness of Adolf Hitler was as deep and diabolic as imaginable.

I said to her, to my mother:

“Why didn’t you, your friends, your folk, your family. Why didn’t you do something to stop these bad things from happening! Stop Hitler and stop these death camps! You should have done something! You must have known!”

I was really upset, my reproach was bitter. She listened and she paused and very quietly and in a sad tone of voice, she said:

“We didn’t know about any of that. We just did not know. We did not hear about anything like that!”

Well, now I know why she did not know. It is, because these things did not happen! It is only since the last couple of years, since about 2014, that I have begun to understand that this is the biggest and most pernicious and persistent lie in all of history! Everything has been turned upside down on its head!

Yes, there were detention camps. Nobody denies that there were camps! And yes, the prisoners were kept against their will. Again, nobody denies that. But these were work camps. The prisoners of the camps were being kept as healthy and as well fed as was possible in those terrible war years. They needed to be kept healthy. How else could they perform the work? It was war.

And so the camps were basically armaments factories. And how much sense does it make, by the way, to have a hospital in a death camp? There were no gas chambers there. The only gas that was used was to get rid of the lice! Lice carried typhus and typhus was a deadly and rampant disease. So they had to delouse the clothing to keep the people healthy.

Now, why would they do that if the goal was to just exterminate the Jews? Makes no sense. That is the “Six Million Lie”, as I know like to call it in a nutshell.

There is so much more to learn about this and this is all readily available now in 2016 thanks to the digital age with, or without the “thought laws”.

Back to my family. What a relief it is for me to learn that my parents and grandparents were not part of a people that suddenly became monsters overnight! The reproach which I directed at my mother, I wish I could apologize to her for this. I am, in effect, apologizing to her now, to her spirit.

I would like to invite you to find out more by searching the following titles that had such a meaningful and healing influence on me.

Thank you.

 

 

 

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Jim Rizoli: Okay, so there you have it. That was very good, Monika. [chuckling] Okay, so now that started it all.

 

Monika Schaefer: That did start all, and actually more precisely at minute two and 45 seconds. Two minutes and 45 seconds in, that changed my life, because that’s where I said:

 

“These things didn’t happen.”

 

Jim Rizoli: That’s right.

 

Monika Schaefer: Simple statement. [chuckling] These things didn’t happen.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay, so now let’s get back to your book. Okay, so now when did you start thinking about the book?

 

Monika Schaefer: Well, actually, while I was in prison, I think that I thought about it that:

 

“Wow, if I ever write a book, this is going to be in it!”

 

Or:

 

“If I ever write a book, that’s going to be in it!”

 

Because I was kind of just filled with stories in prison of what I was observing.

 

So the book is not about all those other things, stories that I gathered in prison about other prisoners, that was most interesting, I’m telling you. But there is some stuff in the book about my prison experiences.

 

But I guess it was in prison, probably people wrote me letters, too, and some people suggested:

 

“Jeez, you really should be writing a book.”

 

Or they would ask me:

 

“So, are you writing your book?”

 

The seed was planted to actually write and to document all this.

 

And then I had some really good encouragement after I got out to write this book. Have you ever heard of Katana?

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah, I don’t know whatever happened to him? Whatever happened to him?

 

Monika Schaefer: Well he’s still active. Okay, so you go to the website, katana17 dot com. I think maybe you could try that out and see. But this fellow, he really supported me and encouraged me, and I would encourage people to go to his website. He does transcripts of videos.

 

Jim Rizoli: I remember we used to communicate, and I think Diane did you used to work with him, too, on doing video?

 

Diane King: The transcription of the interviews with the League of Extraordinary Revisionists.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah.

 

Diane King: And I haven’t heard from him for quite a while.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah.

 

Monika Schaefer: And it’s a really great service, what he does. That’s his big contribution to our struggle. And he has very good reasons. Somewhere on his website, he kind of gives an introduction of why he feels that transcriptions are important. It’s another way of preserving some really important stuff. And you can actually print off a transcription and you can read it, it’s in hard copy. So that if things go down and the Internet goes down, or what you still have it.

 

Jim Rizoli: Well, let me bring up his website. Okay.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, that would be great.

 

Jim Rizoli: Let me see if I can do this. I got to get out of this. Oh, boy. Sometimes it’s hard for me to figure this stuff out. I don’t know if I’m going to be able to do this. I got to make this smaller. Okay, so his site is Katana 17.

 

Monika Schaefer: Try that out and you should get it. I think it’s com. I should have looked that up. Yeah, you see a bunch of different things there. There you go. There’ an Overview. Try that. Yeah.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay. Hold on. I’m checking right there. Let’s see if this is it.

 

Monika Schaefer: Because I know he got taken down off the Internet. That was a couple of years ago by now, maybe.

 

Jim Rizoli: Is this him? Yeah, this must be him.

 

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, yeah.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay. So I got the site Katana17 dot com.

 

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Monika Schaefer: I’m sure there’s an intro about this blog, and then there’s going to be.

 

 

 

Jim Rizoli: Oh, that’s cool! I’ll have to save this.

 

Monika Schaefer: He’s got a ton of good stuff on his website.

 

Jim Rizoli: So he basically helped you kind of get into this.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, he really helped me starting out and encouraged me all along the way and just supporting me in my endeavor to write a book. He gave me some really good advice of how to go about it. He said things like, don’t worry about the chronology. Just write pieces as they come to you. Later you can put it into an order. Like just some really, really good advice. That’s just one example of some really good advice.

 

So that’s what I ended up doing. I would just write bits like this would be like a chapter or whatever, and then just preserve that, and then write another bit just as you get inspired to write about this piece or that piece and then later put it together.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah. I mean, look at all these articles!

 

 

Monika Schaefer: He’s fantastic! So I’m really glad you’re highlighting. There’s some transcripts there. Jim Rizoli interviews Bradley Smith, … Fred, …

 

 

Jim Rizoli: Fred [Leuchter]. Wow!

 

Monika Schaefer: So that’s great. Lots of transcripts. There’s the story, Mom transcript, I just saw it going by on your screen. Yeah, he did that right away. Like, as soon as that Sorry Mom, I was Wrong about the Holocaust video. And I mean, Alfred and I were contacted by all kinds of people that we had never heard of before that video kind of went viral, you could say. Jim, that term, video went “viral”.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah.

 

Monika Schaefer: And so he did a transcript of that it’s a very short video, so that he’s done transcripts of really long videos. So that that one would have been relatively fast for him to do. And he did. And then yeah, it’s fantastic what he does.

 

Jim Rizoli: So all these are just transcripts. You can read them?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

 

Jim Rizoli: Wow!

 

Monika Schaefer: And I think he does have people that help him out.

 

Jim Rizoli: This is incredible! People don’t realize how much work goes into doing this. [chuckling]

 

Monika Schaefer: It’s fantastic! Oh, yeah. It’s a ton of work. A ton of work!

 

Jim Rizoli: Wow!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. Shout out, a shout out to, …

 

Jim Rizoli: I’m glad you brought this here.

 

Monika Schaefer: And I received postcards from him in jail, and they were anonymous. Everybody contributes in a different way, and some people, by their own reasons, they are not showing their face, a name like you and I are. But that’s fine. We need all these people on board, like, for whatever reason. Maybe they have small children or maybe this or that, but they contribute. So I put a big shout out to Katana right now.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay, well, I’m glad, because now people will be able to see his site.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, it’s good to draw attention to good works like that. So thanks for doing that.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay. How many pages is your book?

 

Monika Schaefer: Just over 300, but that would include, …

 

Jim Rizoli: That’s a good size.

 

Monika Schaefer: So there’s a picture section and stuff like that too, photographs. I don’t think it’s a hard read. It’s not a technical book at all. It’s about my experiences, and I want people who are maybe just have their eyes just a little tiny bit open and are willing to perhaps open their eyes more, to draw them in. I feel like I’m just an ordinary person. I’m a normal person. I’m not some big academic, …

 

Jim Rizoli: You’re not a David Irving.

 

Monika Schaefer: No, that’s right, I’m not a David Irving. Who is this historian who has spent a lifetime to study history. No, I’m an ordinary person that then figured out, like, everybody has their awakening story. How did they learn about the fact that we are actually being lied to?

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah.

 

Monika Schaefer: On a massive scale, not just little things. Right? And for me, my the key to My Awakening was 9/11. And it was later it was ten years after 9/11, so really, I’m just quite new to this. And then I went down the proverbial rabbit hole. And I know that you have a different awakening story. Yours started with the immigration thing. Right? And then I find your awakening story super interesting.

 

Jim Rizoli: Well, it was weird! [chuckling]

 

Monika Schaefer: Ernst Zundel. Had to do with, oh, why is this White man being extradited?

 

Jim Rizoli: I just couldn’t figure that one out. It was just a fluke! All of a sudden. It’s like, “Ahh!”

 

Monika Schaefer: Exactly. I’m always interested in people’s awakening stories, and people come to these realizations in all kinds of different ways. Some people through figuring out that the banking system is all totally corrupt. Other people through reading the Bible very carefully. I had people writing me letters, and many of them, it had happened that way.

 

Anyway, so this book is basically about “My Awakening”.

 

And then this journey of this video and the firestorm it caused, and then the aftermath of it. And the aftermath. I mean, it became a very interesting story, and I would not trade that part of my life away for anything! Even though it was very shocking to be suddenly arrested and put into jail.

 

It was very shocking. And it was difficult in the beginning, I have to say. But once I let go of certain things that just let go, I came to a good place. This thing keeps falling out of my ear. And then I started to just actually just enjoy it.

 

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Jim Rizoli: Well, you know what’s weird about it Monika? What’s weird is they came after you! And, like, usually it happens this way. You publish a book and then they come after you.

 

Monika Schaefer: Right!

 

Jim Rizoli: Yours is just the opposite. Here you are, just minding your own business and just a normal person just giving an opinion that’s right about something, and look what happened here. What the heck is going on here?

 

Monika Schaefer: They put me on the map. Like, nobody knew, who the heck are you? And then all of a sudden, I’m in jail! So I’m a political prisoner.

 

Now when you become a political prisoner, those people in the world who are, … We network with each other. They, our enemy, likes to make us look like we’re all isolated, we’re all by ourselves, because they want to demoralize us and discourage us. And they try to make us think that we’re just lone nut cases here and there that have these weird, nut-case beliefs!

 

And no, we talk to each other. We’re connected. So then, of course, my name kind of went around the world. Of course, I didn’t go and knock on the door and want to go to jail.

 

But in the end, they kind of did us all a favor, because they highlighted this. And many people did tell me that that little video that you just showed enabled them to, for example, if they’re trying to talk to family members about this history. And many people told me that my video made a difference. Like, then finally they were able to show their mother or their brother or their friend, show them that video and get them to open their eyes just a little bit and maybe get them to look a little bit.

 

And this is my hope that to this book, it’s not about ego. It’s not about me! Yes, it’s my story. But it is about this bigger picture, Jim. It is about what you and I and many, many other people are, it’s like our life mission to awaken people to what is going on.

 

Jim Rizoli: I think people they have to see that’s why I put the video up, because I’m saying now, this woman went to jail because of this video! I mean, you people watching this, if you’re jews, whoever you are, she went to jail. I mean, really!

 

There are people that murder people that get away with it, that don’t go to jail. They get off, and they murder people. We have people that extort billions of dollars from people. They don’t go to jail. But she went to jail!

 

And I don’t think people understand. I would love to have a discussion with a jew right now, like sitting down, me, a jew, and saying:

 

“What do you think about her going to jail for this video? Do you think that was right?”

 

I would just love to just see what they would say! I know, it just oh, it just infuriates me when these jews can sit back, because some of them will say, :

 

“Well, she deserved to go to jail!”

 

Monika Schaefer: Absolutely!

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah. They’re going to love it. They love it!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. And actually, you know what the most bizarre thing that I found of people saying to me, like, in Jasper, in my own hometown?:

 

“Look, see, that’s proof that you’re guilty. You went to jail. That’s proof. That proves it. You’re guilty. And this proves that the Holocaust happened because you went to jail for it!”

 

Isn’t that kind of a perverse?

 

[25:22]

 

Jim Rizoli: No, I see there’s a lot of people that go to jail, and they’re innocent, and then you’ll be talking to somebody and they’ll say:

 

“Wow, the court found him guilty!”

 

And it’s like:

 

“Yeah, but they were innocent! Well, the court found him guilty!”

 

Monika Schaefer: Exactly!

 

So this is a very odd way of thinking! Because, look, just think about it. I actually love the way Alfred describes these laws. They’re just blots of toner on paper. That’s what these laws are. They’re man made. They’re blots of toner on paper. And what is the meaning of them? Now, if these laws, if you are having to legislate a piece of history! This is not about we have what you would call common law, and we have rights, god given rights, and common law. Like things that it makes sense that there are certain things we should not do. So it makes sense that we have laws like, we shouldn’t just go with a sledgehammer and clobber a neighbor over the head for no reason. Right. That’s not a good thing to do.

 

So, yeah, there’s Laws. Those laws make sense. Now, how much sense does it make to make a law about history? History, something happened, or it didn’t happen. This is in the past. These are facts.

 

And then they make a law to enshrine their story into, like, what!

 

Jim Rizoli: Know what’s really strange about it? Here’s what really bothers me about this. Now remember, the courts are there to find out what’s right or wrong, but the courts now have become, it’s called, they take “judicial notice” now, on what they can determine was is historical.

 

I mean, think about a court system on what is historical. So now when it comes to the Holocaust topic, the first thing they’ll say in a case in Germany is:

“Well, we can’t talk about the facts of the Holocaust, because we have taken ‘judicial notice’ that the Holocaust is a historical fact, and we cannot question those facts.”

 

I mean, this is just hard to believe!

 

Monika Schaefer: It is. They started with that, right, in the Nuremberg Trials, right after World War II, the articles 19 and, 21 of the Nuremberg Trials. There are procedures there. That’s what they said, that if something is self evident, you don’t need evidence to, … Basically they were giving that judicial notice, which is, … Okay, so judicial notice, you could give judicial notice about something, …

 

Jim Rizoli: That they could do it with the vaccine. They could say:

 

“Oh, the vaccine is safe, it’s been proven safe. We’re taking judicial notice.”

 

They do it. They do it!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. They do these things which is bizarre and obscene. But I think the original intent of “judicial notice” is something like snow is cold, like something that you don’t have to prove.

 

Jim Rizoli: Like the earth is round. They’ll say that. We’ll take judicial notice. And it’s like, I don’t really care whether it’s round or flat, it don’t matter to me!

 

But when you’re telling me what to believe, like, we’ll take a judicial notice, there is a God, or there isn’t a God.

 

Monika Schaefer: Well, yeah, actually, I would just say those are probably not good examples because they’re not something that is hard. Like maybe judicial notice that this is a cup and we’re just going to agree that this is a cup. Okay? So that would be something that you don’t have to prove that this is a cup and it contains liquid in it. You know what I mean? These are things that you can prove.

 

Whereas the example you gave, well, those are big disputable items. People are disputing. Some people are staunch atheists and some people not. I have faith, and I’m grateful for that, but it’s like yeah, anyway, that’s another topic.

 

Jim Rizoli: The court system really shouldn’t be getting into historical information. It’s not their position, …

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, the point is, like, when you start talking about judicial notice and this is what they’re doing about the “Holocaust” is they prevent evidence from being brought forward. So if we could not present evidence that would support our position or explain how we reached our conclusions, and in fact, my brother Alfred, his prison sentence was lengthened due to the things that he said in our trial in 2018.

 

So he faced the Inquisition again in 2019 for things that he said and did during our trial! And the judge had stopped him many times when he was speaking and said:

 

“Well, I got to stop you there. I can just give you a warning that if you continue along those lines of speaking where you’re going right now, I’m just giving you a warning that it’s dangerous ground. We can press new charges.”

 

And he would wave them off or he would listen. He’d let the judge finish his sentence and then he said:

 

“Well, you are wanting to throw me in jail for 6 million years anyway. And I’m just speaking the truth!”

 

[30:57]

 

Jim Rizoli:[chuckling] Let’s just go back to your trial. Okay? You’re standing there. Okay. Now, you were accused of what, actually?

 

Monika Schaefer: Well, this Paragraph 130. So German Criminal Code, Paragraph 130 is their “Holocaust” law, but the word “Holocaust” doesn’t even appear in it. But it is the Holocaust denial law.

 

I mean, this whole word “denial” is kind of crazy because you can’t really technically, you can’t deny something that didn’t actually happen. In German that’s actually more clear. The word “leugnen” now is denier, but language has different nuances, and there you cannot deny something that didn’t happen.

 

And Ursula Haverbeck, whose name probably many of your viewers will be familiar with, this is this 94 year old woman who was being put back into jail for asking questions, inconvenient questions, about World War II history. Anyway, how they get around that in Germany, because they know that you can’t deny something that didn’t happen, but they read our minds, okay?

 

So they will say:

 

“She knows, or he knows, that the Holocaust happened, and yet she or he denies it!”

 

Which that’s how they get around us. So they pretend to read our minds and then call us a liar, or call us like:

 

“We’re a denier now, because we know, like Alfred Schaefer knows that the Holocaust happened, but he just is so full of hate that he denies that it happened!”

 

You know what I mean? This is how they do it.

 

I mean, they wrote an article in the newspaper in the main Zeitung, which is a big newspaper in Germany, about Alfred Schaefer.

 

Jim Rizoli: Now, you’re in court standing there. How long did it take for this case to do?

 

Monika Schaefer: Okay, yeah, four months. But over the four month, 200 days. 20 trial days. So you don’t go to the court every day. They’ll have a couple of days here, then the next day, next week or whatever, then they have a break for they go on holidays, whatever. So it took four months, but it was 20 trial days.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay, but are you in jail at the time?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. So I was in jail for six months before the trial even started!

 

Jim Rizoli: Oh my goodness!

 

Monika Schaefer: Because they kept me due to flight risk. So when they arrested me, then I had to go before a judge the next day because they have to bring you before a judge within 24 hours of arresting you to determine what they do with you and I wasn’t even in the jail yet. I was in the prison cell in a police station until they determined that:

 

“No, they can’t let me go, because if they let me go, I’m going to run away, and I’ll be out of their clutches.”

 

Because they knew, okay, I live in Canada, right? So I could just fly back to Canada. And they don’t have these laws here.

 

Jim Rizoli: Let’s just deal with court hours, okay? How many hours do you think they devoted to you?

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, lots! Some days were shortened because these things, how they go in court. I mean, it’s just unbelievable how much time and money they waste if something didn’t arrive, or some witness didn’t arrive. And yet that was all that was on the agenda, …

 

Jim Rizoli: And you had to pay a lot, …

 

Monika Schaefer: But other days were really long. Like other days went beginning to end. Sorry, what was your question?

 

Jim Rizoli: No, you had a lawyer, right? Is that what happened?

 

Monika Schaefer: I did. And I had the lawyer who was also the same lawyer who had been Ursula Haverbeck’s Lawyer, and the same lawyer who was Sylvia Stoltz’s Lawyer.

 

The day that I got arrested, I got arrested in the courthouse, but we were in the public gallery. Somebody spotted me there. I didn’t know that they had a file open on me. Nobody wrote me a nice letter. Neither of my relatives, who basically reported us to the authorities. They didn’t write me a letter saying, yeah, we reported you to the authorities, and that would mean that a file gets opened on you.

 

[35:03]

 

Jim Rizoli: Now, if you didn’t go to court that day, would they have arrested you?

 

Monika Schaefer: I don’t know.

 

I mean, I suppose they could have at the airport, but I got into the country, no problem. I don’t know.

 

Jim Rizoli: When you went to the court, to them it was [chuckling] like:

 

“Oh, says the spider to the fly.”

 

Right?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. We went to the court to watch this trial of Sylvia Stoltz.

 

I mean, this is all very interconnected, all these political dissidents. I just thought, I wanted to meet her. For one thing, she was my hero. And that’s a whole another topic. We could talk at length about that, but just for now, just stay on topic here.

 

I was so intensely curious:

 

“What does a speech crime trial look like?”

 

It did not, … I mean, people might on the outside say:

 

“Well, that’s pretty stupid to go!”

 

But I didn’t think of anything, I really didn’t.

 

Jim Rizoli: So here you are, you’re in court watching something else happen, okay? And you’re sitting there, just minding your own business, and then what happens?

 

[36:10]

 

Monika Schaefer: Well, they called a recess about 40 or 45 minutes into her case that was rolling along. And nobody knew why they called this recess. It was very puzzling because it was just in the middle, for no reason at all, it seemed.

 

But then we discovered the reason. They had whispered behind closed doors:

 

“She’s in the gallery. She’s in the public gallery. Let’s get her now.”

 

So then we all step out to the corridors just to talk. There’s a throng of us who are in the public gallery, people who are supporting Sylvia Stoltz, and we’re just talking.

 

And then this woman just swoops over to me, says:

 

“What’s your name?”

 

And just innocently and naively, I just said:

 

“Oh, Monika.”

 

I mean, I didn’t need to say a word, but I wasn’t thinking of any, … I didn’t have any suspicions of anything. And then it all changed. Then she drew attention while she’s talking to these three thugs, uniformed police officers, or whatever they were. And:

 

“That’s her! Arrest her! That’s Monica Schaefer!”

 

Oh, okay, now I get it. [chuckling] Oh, my goodness!

 

Jim Rizoli: It’s incredible! This is incredible!

 

Monika Schaefer: I’m laughing now, but I wasn’t laughing at the time.

 

Jim Rizoli: Think about it. You’re in court watching something. You’re getting arrested because of a thought crime!

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, it is incredible. Time at that moment slowed down. Everything went in slow motion, and it was an incredible moment. I’ll never forget it.

 

Jim Rizoli: And then they handcuffed you?

 

Monika Schaefer: They did. There was a few things that happened first, and then they basically, … Well, they didn’t handcuff me like this behind my back or anything, but they handcuffed me to the prison ward, or the officer, the police thug.

 

So then I got taken down into the bowels of the courtroom where they have holding cells. They have holding cells in the basement.

 

Jim Rizoli: What was going through your mind when this was happening?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. Oh, my goodness, Jim. Everything went in slow motion. I remember turning my head when they were leading me away and turning my head and seeing the throng of people standing there, like a group of I don’t know, just all very solemn, standing there, watching me go.

 

It’s like almost like they were watching me being taken to the gallows! And everybody just wow. It was very surreal, actually. It’s kind of making me get goosebumps right now or whatever it is just thinking about that moment and then being led away. It was very strange.

 

Jim Rizoli: So they take you downstairs because you’re in the court now. Right? The courthouse of jail. Same thing.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. In the basement. Just like in any police station, they’ll have holding cells. So in the court house, they have holding cells. And so I got brought down to a holding cell and put in there. A very tiny, tiny space. There was a wooden bench and a table that’s attached to the wall. But not a nice table. Just a tiny little concrete thing or whatever.

 

Yeah. And then I was there for a few hours, and I was kind of counting tiles, and I would pace back and forth. It was like five steps this way. Not even that. Four steps. Maybe three steps.

 

Jim Rizoli: Were you putting it together in your mind what was going on?

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh yeah. They didn’t like my video! [chuckling] I knew that right away!

 

Jim Rizoli: That’s it. This is why people have to understand what’s going on here, folks! That someone could be arrested!

 

Monika Schaefer: Alfred was already on their radar. I knew that. So maybe Alfred should have been more worried about attending.

 

Jim Rizoli: Was he there with you?

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. And then, actually, he was advised by my lawyer, who was Sylvia Stoltz’s Lawyer. I think that was who advised me. He said, [to Alfred]:

 

“You better leave now. Don’t hang around.”

 

[40:15]

 

Jim Rizoli: You think they would have arrested him?

 

Monika Schaefer: No. You know why, Jim? Because he already had some charges laid against him. Yeah, he had court dates coming up, or not even solid court dates, but he had already been given charges.

 

He had a dream team. Alfred calls it the Dream Team. They were going to put Gert Ittner, Ursula Haverbeck, Sylvia Stoltz, … No, Henry Hoffmanmeyer was on there, too, and Alfred. Wait a minute, I’ve got one too many there, because there was four of them, I thought. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe it was all five of them in court together.

 

And Alfred was just like, he said:

 

“Wow! They have no idea what they’re doing. This is a dream team. These are powerhouse players here!”

 

But then they changed everything when I was in jail. Because now all of a sudden, there’s pressure to do this more quickly. Because this could have dragged out for years and years for them. They got to put dates, but they all live in Germany, and they were just living at home still. They weren’t flight risk because they live there. I was a flight risk because I don’t live there.

 

So Alfred was already facing stuff. He’d already had his home raided, and that was because of my video in August of 2016. That was the first home invasion. Home invasion, where they came and they knocked on the door. They didn’t pound the door down. But that was the time when, … I have to tell this story, because it’s hilarious. And it’s sort of a number of years ago, so even if people had heard it then, they’ve forgotten it.

 

But they came at about six or seven in the morning and Alfred was in the shower and just out of the shower, actually, but he was in the bathroom behind the closed door and his wife went to the door. And Alfred is listening and he knows right away:

 

“Okay, these are police officers.”

 

Just from what he’s hearing.

 

And so, you know what he did? He came out, he opened the door. He’s still stark naked, and he says:

 

“Hello, what can I do for you? Is there any way can I help you with anything?”

 

It was so fantastic because he didn’t try to hide himself behind a towel. He’s showing, literally, that he has nothing to hide. I thought it was brilliant! And it was quite funny. There was a man and a woman officer, so they quickly, like:

 

“Get dressed. It’s okay, get dressed first.”

 

And a little bit embarrassing for them [chuckling]. But he was just big smile on his face:

 

“Hello, how can I help you?”

 

Jim Rizoli: They handcuffed him?

 

Monika Schaefer: No, what they did then, is it was all very polite. They were polite, but they basically then investigated his home and searched his whole space and took stuff, took computers, they took whatever they could find.

 

And Alfred was saying he was so relieved that he had packed his camera equipment and that particular stuff away before that. He didn’t know they were coming. But he always was neat and tidy. And after he had used his video equipment and all that equipment that was associated with that, he would pack it away neat and tidy. They didn’t take that, they didn’t find it.

 

Jim Rizoli: Wow.

 

Monika Schaefer: Not that he was trying to hide it, they just didn’t find it. Didn’t recognize it for what is all.

 

Jim Rizoli: Was that in your book?

 

Monika Schaefer: That detail, I just told you? No, but yeah, these are just interesting stories. If I had written all the interesting stories, that would have been like thousands of pages long!

 

Jim Rizoli: That’s unbelievable, because really, …

 

Monika Schaefer: It’s true, there are so many interesting stories. Like I was saying to you earlier, just in prison, gathering stories in prison. Oh my goodness! It was just fascinating and entertaining and sometimes funny and sometimes tragic. And it was just really a lot of stories just in prison, a lot.

 

Jim Rizoli: Unbelievable. Now we’ll finish up. But let me just talk about the book. So now you got all your information down, you wrote everything down. Now you said, I’m ready to write a book. So now what was your next step?

 

Monika Schaefer: Well, like I was saying earlier, Katana had kind of advised me on how to do this. Just write things, it doesn’t have to be in order, and then later put it in order. And it took a lot longer than I wanted it to take, Jim. I thought, okay, this would be a good project for a year. [chuckling] That’s kind of funny. I mean, it’s four years in the making, really, because I got out late 2018, 19, 2021, 22, four years.

 

And then there were some hiccups along the way and some yeah, some, …

 

[44:55]

 

Jim Rizoli: So now everything’s done. You got your manuscript, so now you had to decide who’s going to publish it.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, and I’m very grateful to the Barnes Review, good folks there, and I encourage people to actually become subscribers to that fantastic publication.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah, my brother Joe gets it, so I don’t have to get it, but we get it. It’s an excellent magazine.

 

Monika Schaefer: It is, yeah, that’s right.

 

Jim Rizoli: So you got the Barnes Review to do it, and they seem to do an excellent job in publishing your book.

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh yeah. They put it together into, like, I haven’t seen it yet in my hand, but I know it, …

 

Jim Rizoli: No, I understand. Well, that’s a great story. And the reason why I’m talking about the book and Monika is because if there’s other people out there that want to get into publishing a book, it’s good to see that any normal person can publish a book. If you just put your mind, you would get the information out and if you can find the publisher to do it or whatever, however you want to do it. I mean, our books are kind of deal with specific things. It’s not like we’re talking about some topic here, how to grow flowers.

 

But, I mean, the biggest part of publishing a book is getting someone who’s going to publish it.

 

Monika Schaefer: Get somebody to publish and print it. That was another delay. It’s small printer and they had some tragedy happen in their family. So it was a family business, just the printer. Because the Barnes Review doesn’t print. They have a printer, right?

 

I mean, they get somebody else to print. So that was another complication that probably delayed it by a couple of months or three, four months more.

 

Yeah. It’s getting more and more difficult because the eternal well poisoners of this world, they are really clamping down. But they’re in panic mode. We are winning! They’re in their last throws, and they don’t stop until we stop them.

 

So this is, I guess, another message, like, to get out there. But they are on the losing side, really.

 

Jim Rizoli: Well, the thing is, we don’t let up. And it has nothing to do with winning a battle. It just has to do with just getting what you have to do, out.

 

I mean, that’s how I look at it. I don’t look at winning this war. I look at just let’s get as many people online here to see what the truth is. Let them do it, whatever they want to do with it. But I mean, you can’t let them get away with it. That’s the biggest thing.

 

Well, Monika, this has been great. I’m really happy to see that you got the book out there. Hopefully we’ll get people to order it, to read it. If you really want to get into reading good information, especially dealing with your life there and what happened with you, I think it’s going to be great and I hope people take note of it.

 

And again, folks that are watching, we can’t let them win. And it doesn’t matter. We still have to fight to the end of whatever the end is! Just keep fighting and fighting! It doesn’t matter.

 

Monika Schaefer: Never give up! Never give up hope! Never give up. They want us to be hopeless. This is what they try to make us be, living in fear and with hopelessness. That’s what they do to us. But we can never let that happen to us, that we just give up hope. Because then you might as well. Then it’s over, right? If you give up hope, it’s over. And like you say, Jim, keep on going. Don’t give up.

 

Jim Rizoli: Like I said, no surrender! That’s it.

 

Monika Schaefer: No surrender! And I like your little motto of “you’re an army of one”, or something like that.

 

Jim Rizoli: Well, that’s the thing. Like, people say to me:

 

“Well, you don’t got a lot of people behind you.”

 

I’m saying it doesn’t matter! As long as you get one person on your side. You just increased by what, 100%? [chuckling]

 

Monika Schaefer: There’s a huge ripple effect. And also, people should understand and know that we are not this isolated little click like Noam Chomsky tried to tell Alfred [chuckling]! This is in one of his first videos, that’s kind of featured.

 

But anyway, we are many. We are many!

 

Jim Rizoli: Oh, no. I was thinking about my BitChute channel. I’ve only been on it for five years, but I have like over 2400 videos on BitChute, and I’m getting up to 2 million views on BitChute.

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, that’s fantastic.

 

Jim Rizoli: And and again, that’s nothing compared to people on YouTube and all this and that. But you got to understand, this is BitChute.

 

Monika Schaefer: Oh, yeah. No, I want to take my hat off to you, Jim. You have done a huge service to the world, to us, to the good, the truth!

 

Jim Rizoli: Well, I just feel that if I can use my video skills and what I do, I’m doing here with you, that’s the least I can do. Because as you get older, you just can’t go out and do stuff anymore. But we all try.

 

Monika Schaefer: That’s right. And everybody has different skills and ideas.

 

So it’s going to be different for different people, what you can do. But everybody can do something. Everybody can do something! This is not a spectator game. You participate and everybody can do something.

 

[50:26]

 

Jim Rizoli: Here’s the way they can help you. They can get your book. That helps you. It gets the message out. Okay.

 

Monika Schaefer: And share it with somebody. Win them over.

 

 

Jim Rizoli: That’s right. And then take our video we’re doing now. Like, people say, what can I do to help you?

 

Look at I’m not looking for people’s money. I’m just looking get the message of take this video here, send it to people! Get it out to people! Send it to news people!

 

There is so much people can do, they don’t even know they can do it. You can get into all the newspapers and find out who the editor is and then send them the link to the stories. Say:

 

“You might be interested in this story.”

 

That’s all. Just get it out there! Someone might pick up on it. But you’re going to do something. If you don’t do anything, nothing’s going to get done!

 

On the BitChute channels. If you’re looking at other BitChute’s, post it on their channel, especially if it’s related to the topic of censorship or free speech or Germany or jews or whatever. Just say:

 

“Oh, here’s a new interview with Monika and Jim dealing with this topic.”

 

If you get it on 20 sites, 50 sites, 100 sites, that’s all. If you’re doing this all day, it’s not taking you out of your way to do this. Just put it on their site.

 

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. Another really effective thing, really effective thing is actually leafletting. Like, if you want to create just a small thing that has a few basic facts and then an URL, like a link that they could type into their computer if they want to seek more information. And then actually handing these to people personally, sometimes that is one of the most effective things. That another idea. Just another idea. I like to do that.

 

Jim Rizoli: The normies out there that don’t do video, that don’t write, that are at home reading, looking at websites, reading Internet sites. Whatever you’re doing, you have a tremendous ability to get the message out. And that’s all we have to do, get the message out!

 

And people believe me, they’re going to see it. I have people coming across my stuff in the weirdest ways that:

 

“Oh, I saw it over here. I saw it over there.”

 

And I said:

 

“Wow, I didn’t even know it was over there.”

 

I mean, that’s how you’re going to do it.

 

Okay, Monika. Well, this is great Monika. I really enjoyed this. I mean, I learned a little bit more about what happened with you in court and all that.

 

Monika Schaefer: Well, I enjoyed this, too. Thanks so much, Jim. Thank you for doing this.

 

Jim Rizoli: And we’ll be talking we’ll be doing another chat with you, me and Diane in the future to catch up on what’s going on and other stuff there too, later.

 

Monika Schaefer: Connecting the dots, right? Connect the dots.

 

Jim Rizoli: That’s right. And that’s what we’re trying to do here. Okay, folks, we’ll look at I want to thank everybody for watching. With me is Monika Schaefer, and we’re out there doing the best we can. We hope you can do the best you can, too, by getting the message out there.

 

So, Monika, thank you for being on the show, and we’ll be in touch. We’ll be talking again. Okay?

 

Monika Schaefer: Bye bye.

 

Jim Rizoli: Take care. Bye now.

 

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NeverTooLate86+
Immediately ordered the book.
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bilbob7624
i love when Monika is on.
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FogDogma
Me to, Monika is such a good woman with spunk. I love people who tell the truth even when they are being targeted by evil. Their strength is addicting and gives me hope.
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FogDogma
Jim, thanks so much for posting stuff on Monica and her brother. They are so awesome. They both inspire others to keep on keeping on when all hell breaks loose. They are perfect examples of what our people are capable of when we are targeted for extinction. We fight back and won’t shut up. Love these good people.
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Jeffrey88
Synchronicity. I just ordered two copies. Thank you, Monika!
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DIRTYBOB59
Monika, will you friggin’ MARRY me, please?… (FTJ!…)
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FogDogma
If she accepts, you better be good to her. Treat her like a queen.
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STRIKER_ZWEIFogDogma
he does’nt have the means to make Monika happy. I do.
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Jeffrey88STRIKER_ZWEI
If she marries me she wouldn’t have to change her name.
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STRIKER_ZWEIJeffrey88
if she married me, Monika could always just look into my blue eyes, and know she made the right choice. And I speak fluent German, have German ancestery, and lived there 25 years
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Truth-doesn’t-fear-investigation
I wonder if Monika knows she has so many marriage proposals?
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STRIKER_ZWEITruth-doesn’t-fear-investigation
Probably thousands if not more. Marriage with Monika automatically gets one Alfred as a brother in law. Seriously, its a win win.
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STRIKER_ZWEISTRIKER_ZWEI
theres only 3 ladies I know of that I would marry. Monika, Deanna Spingola, and Dr Lorraine Day.
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Cybergun01STRIKER_ZWEI
Those are some fine ladies.. i wish more women had the passion and ability to speak truth as boldly as they do
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SatanicFakeSpace
Great book title!
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jerockdange
Do you guys know who wrote the Old testament Simon Peter Paul you know who these guys are
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STRIKER_ZWEI
The old testament?
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Gertjan
Christianity is not the religion of Jesus of Nazareth it is a religion invented by Saul of Tarsus who even claimed he was an apostle and yet had never met Jesus face to face. Saul, the jew, saw the light and the ignoratti bought it. Christianity is a religion which makes people into easy slaves for the enemy of all life on Earth; the International Parasite.
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LambofGod1990Gertjan
Misinformed Person. Paul did not teach a Gospel different from Christ’s Gospel.
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GertjanLambofGod1990
you were there, were you? Have you read the Urantia Book? Paul was a, what would now be called, a jew. The law for the jew is, he must lie, cheat, steal, and even kill goyim. Saul changed his name to Paul so he would not sound so, ‘jewish’. Of course you do know that Jesus despised those creatures, albeit they were not called ‘jews’ [show more]
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LambofGod1990Gertjan
Jesus changed the Name of Simon. Does the Urantia Book trace back to Apostolic Times?
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Cybergun01Gertjan
Yet jew subversives have repeatedly tried to undermine the writings of Paul. I wouldn’t buy into the works of Christopher Jon Bjerknes, Adam Green and others like them.. they are deceived, if not deceivers themselves
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LambofGod1990Cybergun01
The two you mentioned seem to believe that the God of the Babylonian Talmud is the same God Jesus calls Father in the Gospels. The Christian God whom Jesus calls Father in the Gospels is not a Transgender Diety who condones the Subjugation, Extortion and the Eventual Elimination of all Gentiles. Bolshevik Jews killed over 70 Million Eastern Europeans including Millions more in China. Mao was funded by Jew Bankers. [show less]
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jerockdange
And because of your judeo-christian beliefs you’ve created a ruling class that cannot be criticized
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bucybeen@gmail.com
who are you addressing ,?
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Truth-doesn’t-fear-investigation
Go away faggot
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LambofGod1990
JudeoChristianity is a Jewish Ploy to make Zionism more palatable to Christians. The Jews hate Jesus with a Passion. Ben Shapiro pushes JudeoChristian nonsense.
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309-b
…. great news, … Monica and Alfred have been leaders in debunking these Jewish lies, … carrying on the tradition of the great Ernest Zundel, …
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Gertjan
Ernst Zundel.
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Known_Crocodilan
The original intent of Jew-dicial notice is not “hey, snow is cold”. Rather, its original intent is a tool of Jewish lies and control. Including and not limited to: the earth is a globe, six million Jews were exterminated in gas chambers, the vaccine is safe, virology is real, etc…
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STRIKER_ZWEI
Jim said, “any normal person can publish a book” Jim, Monika is not a normal person, she is a treasure, and super special.
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Open Our Eyes Jesus
Article 21 of the Statutes at Nuremberg
” The Nuremberg (military) Tribunal shall NOT require PROOF of the facts
LET THAT SINK IN – first time in recorded HISTORY- judges didn’t require actual documentary “proof” to come to (((their))) verdict – that is what came out of Communist controlled “Nuremberg.” of common knowledge, but shall take judicial notice thereof ”
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Wayne101062
And they were not allowed an appeal. What kind of court is that.
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Open Our Eyes JesusWayne101062
It’s a Kosher controlled Communist Court. Tragically the Germans were NEVER allowed to actually present the evidence to prove their innocence of the charges made against them at “Nuremberg”. Germany’s crime was they LOST WW II and have been enslaved ever since by the ruling global Jewish/Zionist Oligarchy. Allied winners wrote how the History is “remembered”.
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Open Our Eyes Jesus
” It is ERROR which needs the support of government.
TRUTH can stand on its own ”
– Thomas Jefferson, Third President of U.S.A
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Open Our Eyes Jesus
Jefferson also said :
” The effect of government coercion is :
to make one half the people fools
and the other half hypocrites,
and to support roguery and error all over the earth” [show less]
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Jim Rizoli
(dkk) “The truth needs no laws, the official holocaust narrative simply is not true… therefore, it is being used to enslave and manipulate humanity, ESPECIALLY the German nation.” Mrs. Ursula Haverbeck
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Calf89
What a amazing Lady.
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Speidini3784
Going to jail for words… why have we let the jooz get this far! Monika you are a very brave woman, thanks
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Jim Rizoli
(dkk) The ‘fix is in’. They had us with the post-WWII nonsense proliferated since then.
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Calf89
You have Jim thanks your great guy my friend thanks again for all you do.
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Fredziffle108
Jim
Here is Miles Power responding to Germar’s book

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Synrgy77
Power is full of shit, dodging and deception. Most of his arguments were already adressed by Holocaust believer and chemist Richard Green by 2000 and brightly refuted by Rudolf with empirical proofs.
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Jim Rizoli
(dkk) always a pleasure, “Fred”!
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JustAintThatWay
T/y the notification & link; just ordered a copy.
Alfred & Monika strong & handsome/beautiful and their courage an inspiration to all.
Again. t/y for this info.
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JB61
Hey Monika I caught you on RBN
Yesterday with Giuseppe and Blackbird 9, John Friend and Malicus Scott https://www.republicbroadcastingarchives.org/rbns-2023-new-years-day-special-w-blackbird9-giuseppe/ Hour 1

RBN’s 2023 New Years Day Special w/ Blackbird9 & Giuseppe Hour 2

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Danthefnman187
I sure wish all thought criminals are as elegant, and pleasant. Great job Jim!
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Gertjan
In my opinion the Great Man, Adolf Hitler was much too kind and his friends also were so inclined. There never was any plan to exterminate the international pest but simply relocate it to some other place, no different than 1030 other places had done before Germany attempted to shake off the parasite. Now let’s make Planet Earth the 1031st place. Hail Victory!
Congratulations Monika. Well done. [show less]
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Gertjan
The whims of politicians does not the law make. Read Frederick Bastiat, The Law and learn the truth about this very important subject which has been usurped by the parasite.
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Gertjan
Good interview, Jim. Well done. Unlike certain interviewers you let your guest talk.
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scotty
JIM it would be great to see a video of you tearing apart this guys stupid video review which is apparently backed by the JEWtube police: found thru Fredziffle108 comment Jim
Here is Miles Power responding to Germar’s book

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scotty
JIM is extraordinarily talented as an interviewer, he asks pertinent clear concise questions and listens carefully to responses and answers and stays focused. This is actually rare in many high paid professionals.
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Leonieblah
Great video. Love Monika
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JohnKrakauer
going to buy the book
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Wayne101062
You will not see this book on the New York Times bestseller list. But is deserves to be there.
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Lastboyscout
The fact that her own family members reported her is disgusting and a sign of just how broken the German people really are
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C-ammo
Can’t wait for Monikas sequel,
“Sorry Jews, you were wrong about the Holocau$t”.
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Reasonable White Guy
When I was in high school and junior high, part of our curriculum was a state mandated unit on the holocaust. I went through these units for at least a couple years in various history and social studies classes. My awakening, had to do with how this subject was approached and taught. The Jewish kids in the class were generally put [show more]
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Kathleen Dudley
Fantastic!
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Kathleen Dudley
Thank you both for opening this up to encourage, expose and excite us about what is possible! You are both remarkable.
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Non Fake News
Always enjoy listening to Monika. Brave woman.
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Freeze Peach
Splendid everything and thanks Jim, thank you Monika. God bless.
GOTT MIT UNS.
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LambofGod1990
One thing I could not make sense of was the genuine Joy the German People had when attending Hitler’s Speeches. It turns out Hitler was not the Monster we have been led to believe. Stalin was actually a Mass Murderer who Straved and Killed Millions of his fellow Human Beings.
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Jim Rizoli: Hi everyone. I’m Jim Rizoli here with Germar Rudolf. We are going to be talking about the new books that have come out with the “Holocaust Handbook” series. And Germar is the one behind that is. And I think this is very important, because these books are very critical to the revisionist movement out there.

 

So, Germar welcome to the show. And I hope you have some good news for us in regards to what you’ve been doing with the new books.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. Thank you for having me on.

 

Jim Rizoli: So what’s been going on? Tell us. I know you’ve been busy. I haven’t talked to you in a couple of, I don’t know, maybe what two years? Probably a couple years? It’s been a while.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes. Well the “Holocaust Handbook” series, which I started officially, now 21 years ago. So it was in 2000 – when we issued the first edition “Dissecting the Holocaust” – and has grown over the years. And I was initially aiming at getting to 20 volumes, which was an ambitious project back then. And I reached that just about the time when I was arrested in 2005, and got deported from this country.

 

 

[Image] Dissecting the Holocaust – 2nd and 3rd Editions.

 

So this series got suspended, then I picked up, at a slow pace, initially. But then accelerating, particularly in 2015, 2016, when I resumed editorial responsibility for the series.

 

After I’d been arrested, and for the first years after my release from the German gulag, the responsibility for publication had been with the Barnes Review. They picked up that project when I was unable to.

 

But in 15, 16, I resumed the responsibility again.

 

And we have been adding volumes steadily to the series. Right now it stands at 44 volumes, that have appeared. And five more in the pipeline. Two, I already have on my hard drive here to be translated when I start. And two more I am in constant exchange with the author, which is Carlo Mattogno in Italy, while the projects are evolving. So four of them are already in some stage of preparation.

 

[Image] Holocaust Handbook series (click image to enlarge)

 

So it looks like we’re reaching 50. And at some point we have to make a stop to it! [chuckling] Because it’s getting too much like an encyclopedia, with 50 volumes is huge! And that’s probably the limit of what people would ever consider owning, or buying. Because beyond that the costs get just exorbitant.

 

And also at some point, to what detail do you want to delve into a topic that anyone would still be interested in? And there’s always danger of repeating yourself. So we need to cut. We need to trim down. We need to focus more on what’s important. We need to take repetitions out.

 

And all of these things we have been doing over the past two years; a) adding new volumes; b) replacing old ones that have had become inappropriate, I would say unsatisfactory, because they were outdated. One of the volumes, Volume 1 and 3 was a review of Raul Hilberg’s magnum opus, “The Destruction of the European Jews”. And he [the reviewer] had written that in 1999. So that’s 22 years ago. And back then his knowledge was limited in his ability to do a deep critique of Hilberg’s work was limited.

 

And Carlo Mattogno has written one that is based on his 20, 30 years of experiences in the field, which is much more thorough and superior in quality. So we have replaced the old Volume 3 with this new one.

 

Also Volume 28 used to be a two-set volume of more than 700 pages each. And it was a step-by-step, point-by-point, refutation and critique of the mainstream work that was trying to refute books we had published about the actual Reinhardt camps – Treblinka, Belzec and Sobibor.

 

And that’s my son in the background, cleaning the table. So he’s going to be on camera and will be published too [chuckling]!

 

Jim Rizoli: Well, that’s okay.

 

Germar Rudolf: Anyway, that bulky two volume work was unattractive for the reader. Let’s say it, that way. There’s a book of thousand five hundred pages being a point-by-point refutation of something that somebody else has written, that doesn’t even exist as a book but only as a PDF file online. It’s a little bit difficult to read and understand and wrap your head around it.

 

I mean, I edited it. I’m very familiar with the details of all the things involved, but still I found it challenging to read it, and to really understand at each point of the discussion what’s going on.

 

So we thought this needs replacement with something that is readable, that’s enjoyable, that is more concise.

 

Also, because on these three camps, two of them particularly – Treblinka and Sobibor – more research had been done over the past years ever since that massive two volume book had appeared. That was 2013. There had been archaeological research going on in Treblinka and Sobibor and these results needed to be incorporated into something new.

 

So we took all the new research. Also the Poles started publishing from their archives, eyewitness testimony that were recorded during, or in the immediate post-war time, during the war, or shortly thereafter. They published them in books.

 

So they have not been accessible, so far. Hidden in some archive unknown, or unaccessible, to revisionists at least. They are now accessible. So they need to be included.

 

This has been published. That was just the recent release that we issued last week. And it’s called “The ‘Operation Reinhardt’ Camps Treblinka, Sobibór, Bełżec”. And so that is a replacement one.

 

Volume 40 had been a gap in the series. That was on the delivery of coke, wood, and Zyklon B, to Auschwitz. There are documents in the archives that prove how much coke, and how much wood, and how much Zyklon B, has been delivered to that camp. And the mainstream, let’s say some scholars from the Auschwitz museum, tried to use that documentation to prove that mass murder has been going on. But the methods they used to prove it were untenable, if not to say, outright ridiculous!

 

By saying, for instance, that:

 

“The cremation of a corpse just requires three kilograms of coke.”

 

Which is ridiculous!

 

And that was a book length review based on that documentation of this Polish – it’s actually only an article – a journal article, some 20, 30 pages, or so, that addresses these issues. And that booklet in front of you, had been written a long while ago. I can’t even remember. It’s four, five, six, years ago that Carlo Mattogno wrote that. And when I translated it several years ago we had some major issues with the math in it. So it basically didn’t pass peer review. Because one chapter in there, his math was just wrong.

 

And his extrapolations from the documentary material was “daring” to say the least! Speculating.

 

“We don’t have documents. But let’s assume that’s what it would have continued if the documentation would have been preserved.”

 

This is a limb out of which the mainstream can go on, but speculations shouldn’t be part of history. That’s just part of fiction, and it shouldn’t be in there.

 

So we had a standoff between peer reviews and Carlo Mattogno saying, … Carlo Mattogno wanted to have it as it is. Peer review would say there’s no way, this is just fraud.

 

Jim Rizoli: Who does that? Who does the peer review?

 

Germar Rudolf: It depends at any time who is an expert. We have a few people who look it over who know about stuff. In that case it was actually me, because when it comes to math and physical stuff I have a necessary background to do these things. And I was doing the checking there. [chuckling] So, I was checking all his math and putting it in proper form and ran into a lot of problems and wouldn’t let it pass.

 

We have some anonymous experts. We assume by the access they have to archive material, and judging by their knowledge of the topic, that they are probably mainstream professors, experts in the field. But they will not reveal who they are. They communicate anonymously with us. And that’s fine. We don’t want them get exposed as helping us.

 

But they do, and we get feedback from them when it comes to archival material, to source verification. And also to finding new sources, because we can’t get access to archives, to most archives, directly.

 

If you show up at an archive with a revisionist name you may get arrested in most European countries. Germany and Poland particularly! So we need helpers whose reputation is not on a black list. So let’s say, his name is not on the black list.

 

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Jim Rizoli: Who’s written most of your books? Carlo?

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, Carlo Mattogno is the main author. Now I was joking lately, because most of the projects we’re putting up right now are all written by Carlo Mattogno And, of course, the publishing outlet I have is Castle Hill Publishers, CHP. And I joked in one of these emails I was sending out to customers, saying:

 

“Well maybe we should rename it to ‘Carlo Mattogno Publishers’, CMP!”

 

Just joking!

 

But yeah, he’s the most prolific writer. He has gathered documents, tens of thousands of documents, while he was still able to access the archives in the 1990s. And, because of his reputation among historians, he has gained support from some of them, anonymously, and are helping him, getting him archive of material that he otherwise would not have access to.

 

So we have people actually going for us to archives getting stuff and sending it to us. And also pointing out when we make mistakes, or when we have missed something that’s crucial.

 

So in that case the math peer review I did, and I didn’t let it pass.

 

So eventually this year he agreed to take out his entire speculative, flawed math calculations, and publish the book without it. And that cleared the way for it. And so this way we could actually publish it. And that closed this one gap we still had in Volume 40.

 

Volume 41 to 44 have appeared in succession since December last year. And 42 has been out for a while. It was a project that I entered. That’s written by myself.

 

But 41, 43, and 44 came out in December, January, and February, if I’m not mistaken. So in quick succession.

 

Jim Rizoli: Do you ever have anybody buy the whole series?

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes, yes. We offer the whole series as a set, at a discount. And I would say we, … If I look at the turnover, I would say that a good 15 to 20 percent of our turnover is from selling the whole series.

 

Jim Rizoli: Wow!

 

Germar Rudolf: Because it’s such a big chunk. If somebody buys buys 44 books all in one go, that’s like 44 sales of individual books, with normal sales are just one book. We even offer all of our books. So the 44 volumes of the Holocaust Handbooks, plus all the other books that we have in our program, which is some 30 more books, or so. And some people even go for that. I would say on every four sets of “Holocaust” handbooks we get one set of all the books that we have in our program!

 

Jim Rizoli: Well, that would be quite a bit of bundles of books coming to the home, wouldn’t it?

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes. It’s not quite 80 books. And it comes in several boxes, indeed.

 

Jim Rizoli: I mean, it’s amazing, because most people don’t know anything. I mean, we do, but most other people don’t know anything about these books, because you can’t get them on Amazon, right?

 

Germar Rudolf: Each time we publish them they go through international distribution, and as such, Amazon offers them for a week, or two, until they become aware, …

 

Because every bookshop nowadays has an automatic online hookup to the distributors. And the distributors here in the United States, they are not allowed to turn down books. Because the main distributor in the United States has a monopoly, legally recognized monopoly. And therefore, they have to stock books, take them in their program, because they have a monopoly. They’re not allowed to turn anyone down as long as the book is legal.

 

And this way our books are in international distribution. So every bookseller online, or offline, having a hookup to that distributor, which everyone has – because that’s where everyone gets the books from – knows about the book and has it automatically in their system.

 

And so Amazon, and all the other online retailers that do that hookup, as soon as we publish the book the next hour, or two, boom! There it is! It’s an automatic process. And then for them to take it out of what they offer, requires the manual step of ticking some box:

 

“Hide this book.”

 

Or something, or whatever it is they’re ticking.

 

And usually it takes about two two weeks on average for them to get taken down.

 

So we assume there is the usual suspects of “thought police” monitoring books of a certain topic. And once they run into it, they have their hot wire to Jeff Bezos to have him push the censorship button, or whoever in his company does that kind of dirty job.

 

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Jim Rizoli: Have any libraries ordered the series?

 

Germar Rudolf: No.

 

Jim Rizoli: Well, you know what happens in libraries? Let’s say they even did order the series. They’d put it in. And then what happens is they’d take the books out and never bring them back. And nothing you could do about it!

 

Because I’ve had this happen with books I wanted to get in the library. And that’s what happens. People will take the book out. And they’ll never bring it back. And then you say:

 

“Well who took the book out? I want to get the book back!”

 

And they don’t do anything about it. That’s what the libraries do! Just to let you know. They would never last in the library.

 

But anyway, that’s how they operate. Sad.

 

Germar Rudolf: Well, this series actually comes in three formats right now. And that’s one of the reason why we worked so hard.

 

We have a PDF format. So you can get them as ebooks, PDF, which we offer as a bundle for download. The list price is $70 for that, for all 44 books.

 

But in theory you wouldn’t have to pay for it. Every single book can be downloaded as a free PDF. If you want to go through the process of downloading 44 books, one after the other, you can do that on our website that’s dedicated to the series; holocausthandbooks.com.

 

And if you want to get them in a bundle in our shop at shop.cohdo.com you can do that. The list price is $70.

 

Now, we have a feature in our shop where you can actually change the price. You don’t see it in any shop, online shop, anywhere else. You have a product, a price is attached to it. And then you can put it in the shopping cart and buy it that way.

 

In our case, every single product we have has a price to it. But you can push the up, or down, button and reduce the price, or increase the price.

 

Now with many of our books there is a minimum price for the printed books, beyond which you cannot go. That’s the list price in this case. Because we can’t give them away for cheaper, because somehow we have to cover our costs and make a living.

 

But when it comes to ebooks, particularly the Holocaust Handbooks, we offer those as free ebooks on the Holocaust Handbooks website. And, because they are in theory free, how do we justify taking money for the same thing, bundled up, when we sell it in our shop? Now it’s kind of a feature. Yeah, there’s so much effort in it and we expect people, this is worth some money and they should be paying that.

 

But in that case we have actually switched it freely, so that people can lower the price.

 

“I don’t want to pay $70 for the series, I want to download it in one swoop and not pay anything!”

 

Then you go on the down button and click it all the way down to zero! And get it for free! That works. Only for the ebook versions of the Holocaust Handbooks.

 

On the other hand, if you buy just one, it costs just five dollars. And you think:

 

“This book should be worth much more. It’s such intense research, it’s so valuable! I think it’s worth twenty dollars!”

 

What you can do is press on the up button and increase the price! Which nobody has ever done [chuckling]! Ever since we introduced that feature [chuckling]!

 

Anyway, most people also don’t understand that they can lower the price. Because that’s just an unexpected features that doesn’t exist anywhere else in the world. But legally speaking, since we give them already away for free on our Holocaust Handbooks website, we thought charging money for them on our shop is not quite “kosher”. At least we should have the option there for people to reduce it down to zero. So that’s why we introduced a custom shopping cart, you can do these gimmicks.

 

So that’s the ebook version. Just seventy dollars list price.

 

Then we have the paperback version, which you see in your background. They are all lined up there with their cover art, or a spine art in that case.

 

And now, released a week ago, we have also a hardcover version. All of these books in hardcover. And the reason for that is twofold. One of them is this is an encyclopedic style series of research on the “Holocaust” that is unparalleled in the entire world!

 

 

The mainstream doesn’t have anything coming close to it! They have an encyclopedia that has three volumes, but each entry about the topics are very superficial. And there’s not much information in it. There’s no critical information! No information that really does some independent research. It’s mainstream stuff. And it just regurgitates the war propaganda, uncritically.

 

So there is nothing similar anywhere else in the world, mainstream, or not, like this one.

 

And a lot of people are willing to buy it. But then normally if you have an encyclopedic massive series like that, people would like to put it in some central shelf of their living room and say:

 

“I have all these books. And I’m a really well-read, knowledgeable person who has all this stuff, read.”

 

But then again, who seriously wants to “out themselves” by putting books like that centrally in their living room with any visitor, or even family member coming in and seeing that you have 44 “Holocaust denial” books sitting in your living room! Gets you in a lot of trouble!

 

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Jim Rizoli: I don’t know I’m happy to have them on my shelf. I got them down in my basement, and I got them all, I love them!

 

Germar Rudolf: In your basement! You were hiding them in your basement [chuckling]!

 

Jim Rizoli: I know, because you haven’t seen my house, okay. My brother, Joe, has all his books upstairs. I get no place to put them! I can do my videos upstairs, and downstairs. And downstairs is another place where I can do videos with all the books behind me, you know, without the green kind of screen behind me. I don’t have a green screen but my brother Joe has a lot of books! Okay. He’s got hundreds and hundreds of books! And I mean, my whole living room is all books! It looks like a library.

 

But my basement, like I said, if you saw how I do my videos downstairs, all the books are on the shelves behind me. It looks really nice and your books are all there.

 

Now you said they’re on hard cover. What do they cost in hardcover?

 

Germar Rudolf: The production cost for the hardcover is not quite ten dollars more than for the paperback. It’s five dollars more for the hardcover, and we use a little bit higher quality paper for it. So we increased the price for each paperback edition by just ten dollars to cover the additional production cost, because we didn’t want to make more profit on it, just because it’s hardcover. Plus a little bit of a margin setting up those books cost us thousands, [words unclear], or so, not counting the time I’ve put in to produce the new imprint.

 

Jim Rizoli: You don’t have a hardcover one with you, do you?

 

Germar Rudolf: I just sent you an email, an image showing how they look like, how they line up in the similar fashion as you have the paperback in the background. If you look it up you could perhaps replace it while I’m talking. And then people can look at it.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay.

 

Germar Rudolf: So what we have done is not do any fancy cover art with those, for the simple reason covers for hardbacks have to be completely differently layouted then paperbacks. Because the hardcover exceeds the trim size by an eighth, or a quarter of an inch. And then you have to wrap the artwork around it. So the artwork has to be completely redone. Also the spine is completely different. And having to completely redo all the artworks for the cover would have consumed a lot of time! And that would have been untenable, because we don’t expect to sell those like hot cakes.And therefore we need to keep the costs down.

 

So what we did our printer offered an option that is called a “digital print blue cloth”. So it looks like a patterned blue cloth hardcover, even though it’s actually printed.

 

Jim Rizoli: Did you say you just sent it?

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah I sent you an email with it. Let me see if it’s, …

 

Jim Rizoli: Oh yeah, all right, cool! Let me see if I can grab that. All right, cool.

 

Germar Rudolf: Now when it comes to the cost of the series, as I mentioned, the e-books right now are $70. Paperback sits at $875. And that includes actually already upcoming volumes that will appear later this year. We have two more in the pipeline that I’m working on.

 

Jim Rizoli: Wow!

 

Germar Rudolf: And they will be included in that price. That’s for the paperback.

 

And the hardcover is a whopping $1,170, right now. This is a 35% discount over what you would pay if you bought every single book individually. And actually includes free shipping anywhere in the world!

 

So if you’re on Micronesia, or you’re in Japan, or in Russia, or in Timbuktu, or wherever you are, it doesn’t matter! We can get it there and your shipping is included. Because, as UPS brags, they go anywhere! I don’t know whether they go to Antarctica. Maybe they do [chuckling]! Some researcher there wants the series.

 

[26:14]

 

Jim Rizoli: I’m looking at the set. I mean, it’s really nice. I mean, that’s great!

 

Germar Rudolf: Right. This now really looks like a series of one big set of books. They all belong together. We have this one sticking out on the paperback that’s large size. That’s the Air Photo book, because there’s so many big photos in here that we wanted to have in big size. We couldn’t do that with a hard cover, because that kind of hardcover, our printer doesn’t do in letter size format. So we had to reduce the size. But it’s also neat to have them all have the same size, so they really fit together.

 

Then you have the volume numbers, they’re going from 1 to 44, at the top. So it really looks like an encyclopedia, which kind of it is. And we’re working on it to trim it, adjust it in a way that repetitions are taken out.

 

We have one book, Volume 22, was published in two, the Italian original edition in 2008, or 2009. And at that point the later Volume 24 hadn’t appeared, which is about the cremation furnaces at Auschwitz. That was a book that Carlo Mattogno has been working on since the early 1990s. It finally appeared in the Italian edition in 2012. The English edition, the first edition, in 2015. The second edition I’m just wrapping up. So we have a new edition coming up that will replace the old one.

 

But when he issued the Volume 22 on the gas chambers of Auschwitz, he wanted to address the issue of cremation furnaces. He normally would have referred to his [word unclear] but it wasn’t out yet. So he included a long chapter on summarizing what was to be published in Volume 24. This is now redundant, because 24 is out, has been for a while.

 

And also he has large chapters on critiquing Rudolf Höss as a witness. We have a separate monograph, that’s Volume 35, on critiquing Henryk Tauber, one of the Sonderkommando witnesses.

 

We will have a separate book, Volume 54, which I have already on my hard drive, that is Henryk Tauber and another witness. A critique of their testament. So these chapters will be a little bit redundant. So we’re working on trimming down Volume 22, making summaries on these topics only, otherwise referring to these monographs.

 

And by so doing we can actually reduce some of the massive volume of some of these volumes. The reader doesn’t have all these repetitions.

 

Jim Rizoli: If you had to pick one book that, let’s say someone couldn’t afford all the books, they wanted one book out of your series that would really kind of like give you the whole nine yards in one book, which one would you say?

 

Germar Rudolf: My preferred one are the “Lectures on the Holocaust” [Holocaust Handbooks, Volume 15: Lectures on the Holocaust—Controversial Issues Cross-Examined 3rd, revised and expanded edition]. Not because I wrote it, …

 

 

Jim Rizoli: I believe the same thing. I think that out of all of them, I think that one there, it covers almost everything. I mean, in a good way, you know?

 

Germar Rudolf: Right. I mean, it’s not a short book. It depends on how much you want to read. We have, I would say, four books in the series that tries to give you an overview.

 

The volume first [Vol 1] actually, I started that, because at that point, when I had the original German edition, working on that in the early 90s, I was a complete newcomer to the field. And I started that project, because I myself wanted to have an overview of what’s going on. What’s the state of art in that field? And I get all those revisionist scholars from all over the world together, bring their knowledge to the project, and make it an anthology on this. And that’s how Volume 1 came to be in the early 90s.

 

Now the last edition is from 2019. We keep updating it. But it’s chopped up in topics, and dealt with by separate authors. So it’s not a story that you can read in one go. You have different chapters on different topics, which some may like.

 

The “Lectures on the Holocaust” are based on actual lectures I have done in the early 90s. While I was doing this research I was giving lectures to some academic audiences in two cases, in the second half of 1992. Presenting in multimedia form the research that revisionists were doing. And that book is along the same line. It starts with what the mainstream is claiming, what the issue, is there controversy? It goes to through a history of scandals of people doubting, refuting, running afoul of the thought police. And showing how many people there are, academics, reputable persons in the academic and technical world who also voiced doubts and got in trouble. And all the censorship and the pressure that’s going on to keep a lid on this topic.

 

And then it goes into covering the topic from various aspects. And it’s an exchange, it’s in a dialogue style.

 

So it engages the reader by feeling that this is actually a lecture, where the lecturer engages the audience, and the audience engages the lecturer back with critical questions, hostile questions, and [word unclear] questions, whatever the case may be. And this exchange goes on through the whole book, and it covers a large swath.

 

And I keep that updated, too. I mean, it’s now four years that I had the last edition. It’s slated for a new one next year at some point. And this book has 500 pages of text. So, it’s not quite as big as “Dissecting”, which is 600. But you kind of have to read it in one go, because it all belongs together, and it comes all together.

 

But then again the reading style is so entertaining, I heard, that people keep going. It’s flows, and flows, and you don’t even notice how you’re getting fast through it.

 

Jim Rizoli: Excellent book! I love it! I actually read it over, and over, again.

 

[32:41]

 

Germar Rudolf: And then, if you want less, we have by two different authors.

 

We have by the former professor of the history of science, Nick Kollerstrom, from London College. He used to teach, then got thrown out when he outed himself as a revisionist. He was a lecturer there. And he wrote that book “Breaking the Spell”, which is Volume 31 of the series. And this is probably the shortest book giving an overview of the topic. And it’s a completely different style and is shorter. So if you just want to have it in a nutshell, or 240 pages, or so, that’s probably the one you would want to go to. It has a different angle of approaching things.

 

And then you have “Debating the Holocaust”, which is the next volume, Volume 32, by a professor of philosophy. I won’t reveal his name here. But his pen name is Thomas Dalton. So he comes from the philosophical angle. And he’s actually a major critic of modern technology. That’s what his approach is to philosophy. Thinking that modern technology is ruining mankind. Not so much talking about the environment, that’s a different issue. But if you look at all the, …

 

Jim Rizoli: I got a question for you Germar. In all the books, like I know you revise them, what things have you revised in the books that have been very critical to revise? Because again, remember, that this goes over a long period of time. So from the beginning when you started getting these books going to now, what have you had to go back on to say:

 

“Wait a second here! We have to change something here that we said that we have to revise.”

 

Can you can pick anything out?

 

[34:56]

 

Germar Rudolf: Over the decades much more material has become accessible. So you broaden your bases, your source bases basically. You don’t want to be accused of when you’re in that business saying that you’re overlooking major sources. And so we have to broaden that. And that doesn’t really change anything when it comes to the result of the research as a matter of fact the more sources we get there are two kinds of sources:

 

Original wartime documents that show what happened on the official level – documents produced by the Germans, but also documents produced by the Allied powers. And by the underground movements that were fighting against the Germans.

 

And then you have as a second group; eyewitness accounts.

 

And as I mentioned just before, a lot of those hidden in archives have been recently made accessible on various camps; Auschwitz, Treblinka, Sobibor. And Belzec, there’s nothing really new. So it’s limited to these three camps that major new material became accessible.

 

And then we analyzed that too. Broaden the basis and see it fully supports our conclusions and our the results we get from this support. So it’s not changing anything when it comes to our conclusions. But it under undergirds it much more firmly and makes it less accessible to attack from the other side, because we show we really master the source material. We know it all. And we include it and discuss it all.

 

Jim Rizoli: Well I know the books get attacked all the time. I mean, I are you familiar with the Quora site? Have you ever heard of that, Quora? It’s like a blog site. It’s called q-u-o-r-a. And people like yourself you could go on there. And you could actually put your books up for comment on that site. Yourself, I suppose.

 

But people criticize the “Holocaust” books, you know. I mean, revisionist books. And they say that they’re not written by scholars. The people that write them don’t know what they’re talking about, and blah, blah, blah. I mean, …

 

Germar Rudolf: That is not criticizing the books, it’s ad hominem attacks which, …

 

Jim Rizoli: I know, I know!

 

Germar Rudolf: , … Is not scientific behaviour because so many scholars on the mainstream, they are not formally educated in history, either. So this is not what counts.

 

You have to go to the actual source material and claim we quoted it wrongly, we missed sources, we misinterpreted them, or whatever it is.

 

There are a number of websites by mainstream people – not all of them scholars – picking up on whatever we have published, and then trying to refute it. And these websites are more, or less, active and stuff getting posted there all the time and revised.

 

The problem with that approach is that if you want to do serious scientific research, you need to back up what you’re saying. And what you’re quoting with sources that are reliably discoverable by whoever is going to want to check what you’re saying!

 

One main feature of today’s scientific and academic world is that you cannot quote stuff that’s on the internet, on some blog, because tomorrow it may be changed. Tomorrow it may be gone.

 

There are two kinds of sources; quotable sources and non-quotable sources! Non-quotable sources, anything of the day day-to-day media. You can’t quote them. Because journalists make stuff up! They have no idea what they’re talking about. You cannot ever quote media!

 

Jim Rizoli: Right.

 

Germar Rudolf: You can quote them as proof as that they’re talking nonsense. That’s all you can use them [chuckling] for! You cannot use them to prove anything being correct, because journalists are hardly ever correct. And tomorrow a paper that may be posted online may be gone tomorrow.

 

And the same is with those blogs where people just throw in their mental diarrhea! Tomorrow it may be rewritten, tomorrow may be gone! There is no peer review process, there is no academic control.

 

Like a lot of academic publications nowadays are already published online before they ever get printed. Some of them are only online. But they have peer review processes. They have proper archiving procedures, referencing procedures. So if somebody posts something it’s there. It will be there. It will stay there. And you can’t make revisions. You can submit errata sheets or so they get added to it. But you can’t actually change stuff around. Publish is published! And it stays there.

 

That’s not true for all these blogs. So if you want to pay attention and take seriously every single one of these mental diarrhea sites, you have nothing else to do in the world anymore.

 

I realized that in the 1960s [?90s] when I was getting engaged in these bulletin boards and these discussion groups on the internet that were just popping up as the internet was evolving. And people were engaging each other in revisionist discussions, or “Holocaust” denial, or revisionism, whatever site you’re on.

 

And I realized that if you refute one person in any discussion it may, or may not, get deleted. But then as somebody else starts a new thread and the same false claims are being published again by someone else. So you can’t win in any of these. It’s a wack-a-mole game! You can never win that!

 

And if you get start getting engaged in it you have no time and no energy left to do actually what needs to be done! To go to the archives, to do the footwork, to actually get this stuff together and publish it in a serious form, in printed books, as it needs to be.

 

[41:20]

 

Now if these people start actually putting their critique together, peer review it, get it published as a book so that we know it’s there! It stays! It’s in archives! It’s in libraries! People can access it and it won’t run away, then we can talk about discussing these things.

 

But as long as it is in the format as it is, it’s impossible to handle. I mean, potentially there could be millions of people who hate revisionism, want to refute it, they all get into these bulletin boards, and discussion groups, and blogs, and whatever you call them, the name for these things have changed over time, you know what used to be just a bulletin board is now a blog.

 

How many people are we on the revisionist side that do serious research? We are so resource constrained by time, by money, by anything, that we really have to focus on what we can do. We cannot engage all these people! We cannot even read all this stuff!

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah, I know.

 

Germar Rudolf: Put it in a proper form? Yes. But unless that happens and I can’t see that happening, because no publisher takes books that takes revisionist content series and tries to refute it, because by so doing you first acknowledge revisionist stuff exists!

 

Second, you acknowledge that it is so serious that it needs addressing and refutation. And so the reader gets pointed to the revisionist content. Ninety nine point nine per cent of people out there believe the mainstream story, anyhow. Once they get a book in their hand that says:

 

“Oh there are revisionists. And they have arguments and we need to refute them.”

 

Ten percent of them bail out and are suddenly with us! So bad news about revisionism by these blogs and books turns out to be advertising for us. No matter what news it is, it’s going to be advertising! Therefore these things will not be published as books, because publishers will not touch it!

 

Jim Rizoli: Do you get a chance to go out and speak anywhere? Like to people, or, …

 

Germar Rudolf: No. The current social atmosphere makes it an activity that I would consider too dangerous.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah.

 

Germar Rudolf: The things I’m doing are already dangerous. I still have three school-aged kids, and we try to live a normal family life. If I stick my head too far out the window that may change.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah.

 

Germar Rudolf: Right now, you go to the website of the town I live in, it’s not a secret, it’s Red lion. You go on Wikipedia look up Red Lion [York, Pennsylvania] and you look up which prominent persons live in Red Lion. There are three people on there. Two of which don’t even live here. And there’s one person who actually does live there, and that’s me. And this is as much as a high profile as I want. [chuckling] I’m the only prominent person living in this town, and the media, of course, see that as a negative, just as does Wikipedia has a negative prominence as an infamous person. And getting in much higher profile than that, … Already having the interview as I have it now with you.

 

Jim Rizoli: Right.

 

Germar Rudolf: It’s probably engaging in public speech in some regard. And this is already a risk I’m taking here on a personal level, because my wife doesn’t like it.

 

Now that is the other part of the family. And not, because of the contents we’re discussing. There’s nothing that they have to quibble about that. But it’s because of the exposure I get and the possible negative repercussions it could have for the family. And I’m not going to make it worse by going out and speak to actual audiences where on top of it you have the risk of some people attacking you physically.

 

[45:13]

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah. I know, because that’s another thing they use against a revisionist. They say:

 

“Well revisionists, they don’t go out and debate people, or this, or that.”

 

And then, like you just say. Well, if we go out there doing this, we run into problems, because people want to kill us! Or burn our, … You know, do something bad to us. And I understand that. I can see that happening.

 

It’s like Ball, John Ball, I know you have one of the books of him the photo evidence of the camps and this. And he kind of like disappeared in life, right?

 

Germar Rudolf: Well, I’m in touch with him. We’re still friends. So yeah, he changed his name and moved away, and changed his career completely. So unless, you know, where to look for him and under what name you wouldn’t know where he is. But for a good reason, because he completely ruined his career!

 

He was a mineral exploration geologist. And after that book had come out he had become unemployable! He lost his job and he couldn’t find a job anywhere, anymore. And so he’s now independent, he’s his own boss, he does his own thing. So that was the only way out.

 

Like for me. I mean, I’m independent. I’m unemployable in the normal market. I wouldn’t have to apply for anything, anyway! [chuckling] Any googling of my name and people just won’t touch me. And he had the same problem. So for me it’s not a problem anymore of employability, of material safety, which a proper job gives you, because I have made revisionism my job. And my career. And my life, and earn the living I need to earn to live.

 

I mean, I’m not, you’re not, getting rich with a revisionism, ever! And 20, 30, 40 years ago when there were still wartime generation people who would bestow big inheritances on some individuals. But that doesn’t happen anymore. Ernst Zundel managed to get several millions that way. But then again he had expenses of several millions with all the stuff he was doing, too! [chuckling]

 

So, at the end of the day, no matter how you look at it, revision is not going to be materially profitable to anyone. It’s dangerous, …

 

Jim Rizoli: All right, finish what you’re going to say, because I have another question I want to ask you. Kind of unrelated, but go ahead.

 

The question I want to ask you has to do with Eric Hunt, if you don’t mind me asking, okay? Because what the hell happened with him? I mean, I look at the stuff on the internet, I read, and here’s a guy that was doing tremendous work in the revisionist movement. And then he just completely went off, out of sight here! I don’t know what, I mean, … Can you talk about it, or if you don’t want to, you don’t have to.

 

Germar Rudolf: I would exaggerate if I say that I know him well enough to make make 100% accurate assessment of what happened there. There are several aspects to the issue. And two of them are what I would like to discuss here.

 

The first one is his mental and emotional stability. He was on some medication to keep his emotions in check. Which shows already that he sometimes emotionally overreacted to things that required that medication.

 

So, when you get into, … Let’s call it a fight like that, it’s not like that you want to fight for something, but the social environment will fight you! So you inevitably get into nasty social situations that isolate you. And, of course, he had a bad experience when he had this little encounter, a nasty encounter with Ellie Wiesel which got him sentenced for assault and spent jail time, actually.

 

That was before he got deeper involved in revisionism. But that kind of ruined his social situation for good in this country. After that he was living in a car out on the road, because he was unemployable. The situation was really bad. And it got better only when he left the country and moved over to Europe, to Eastern Europe.

 

Jim Rizoli: So that’s where he is now? He’s in Europe?

 

Germar Rudolf: Most of the good work that you’ve seen him doing, some of them he did still while living in a car here in the US, after he was released from prison. And some of that he did then when he was in Eastern Europe. And that’s where he is right now. And he has a girlfriend there.

 

And I actually talked to him, and it’s the second aspect. He was in it not for the revisionist part, you know. I came in primarily, because a feeling of injustice, suppressing something like that evidently has a lot of impact, a lot of importance. Suppressing it by the government is just unjust! And anything that’s profoundly unjust, there’s something that drives me up, and I get pick up the fight for justice.

 

However, his approach was White Nationalism. And to, to a large degree, an anti-jewish stance. And he saw revisionism as a tool to further these causes. And this is a tricky, slippery road to go on. Because, if you look into revisionism, it is nothing isolated for White nationalists. You find black people interested in it. You find Latinos interested in it. You find Arab Muslim communities interested in it particularly. So there is no racial purity in the revisionist movement. The whole concept is just alien to revisionism.

 

And the other thing is the anti-jewish angle, revisionism by itself is not against any group of people, or any creed, or whatever you want to say. Of course, it is critical about eyewitnesses, a large portion of which happen to have some kind of jewish background. But that’s where it stops. We’re not getting into the discussion of jews as a social group, or as a religious group, even though some revisionists do that in other parts of the world.

 

Like, if you look at Thomas Dalton, he has these two books on “Holocaust” revisionism. And lately, over the past two, or three years, he’s published numerous books on the so-called jewish question. So there is a relationship between the two. But it’s not one-on-one.

 

And you can’t solve any jewish question, whatever you want to define it, by just going after revisionism, making it succeed. That is not a panacea for nationalist, White nationalist, supremacist, racialist – whatever you want to call it – issue that people may have, ….

 

[52:58]

 

Jim Rizoli: Even David Cole and even David Irving and Mark Webb, … I mean, a lot of them have kind of capitulated in some of their views now. But to now saying like, for instance, like:

 

“Oh, Treblinka was an execution camp! They murdered millions of people in these camps!”

 

And [words unclear] his great Treblinka video he did. And then go completely the opposite, to say:

 

“Oh now the big problem is, well, where did the jews go if they weren’t exterminated? Where did they go? And blah, blah, blah!”

 

Germar Rudolf: For me, it’s two issues. I advised him, you need to take your emotional investment in it hoping that it will resolve the White racist problems, and the jewish question, out of it, because it’s probably not gonna happen.

 

It’s a fight by itself. It’s for truth! It’s for justice more than anything else. And his heart was not in that kind of stuff. He realized this is not leading to success. Not short term, not midterm, if ever. And therefore he lost an interest in it.

 

And then I advised him, before he flipped, I advised him he needs to have the basics of his life sorted out. He was in the process of ruining his life with revisionism, by getting in this tussle with Ellie Wiesel, getting himself imprisoned, because of it. And I said:

 

“The most important issue of life, is procreation! That’s how life maintains itself! It’s also the solution to the White racial problem! You don’t have kids, it’s not going to be a White race. There’s not going to be anything to fight for! So love family, having children, raising new life in love. That is the essence of life! This is the essence of the human experience! And you need to focus on that. You have a girlfriend there, she’s a good girl. Get your life back together in Eastern Europe. Marry her, have children, have a family, have a reason for life that is very profound deep and makes sense in the bigger context, too. And once you have that, all the rest comes after that it’s secondary.”

 

And I think that fed then into it him realizing:

 

“If I want to have a normal family life, I need to stop ruffling feathers on a level where I’m getting constantly in trouble, and where I have problems maintaining a family, or even establishing one.”

 

And so he decided to bail out! To not have the struggle anymore, since it’s not leading to the immediate success he hoped for on the aspects on the topics he was most interested in. And to settle down have a family and bailout.

 

Anything else is post facto rationalization of his decision!

 

As you say, we can’t comprehend he makes this hard-heading videos on Majdanek and Treblinka showing how absurd the story is, how easily it can be refuted. And then he flips suddenly 180 degrees, coming up with these superficial, mainstream, propaganda slogans, that he just refuted a year ago! It makes no sense.

 

And the reason why it makes no sense is he rationalized his decision to bail out this way, to get out of the hard fight, because he realized it’s not really his fight. And he needs to justify it without feeling himself a coward, or whatever it is.

 

Jim Rizoli: It almost sounds like it was done in a spiteful way, you know what I mean? Like you’re not doing it, because you’re leaving it, you’re doing it, …

 

[56:52]

 

 

Germar Rudolf: Go back to the first part when I talked about his emotional problems.

 

Jim Rizoli: Right.

 

Germar Rudolf: You see how he does it that’s in his, in the fabric of his behavioral patterns.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah. What do you think about David Irving, because he believes now that a couple million people were killed in Treblinka too! The Reinhardt camps. I mean even Mark Weber! Mark Weber even has a belief system that he believes that people were killed, either the Einsatzgruppen would kill them, or they were killed in gas chambers, or whatever, in these camps.

 

David Cole, he’s done the same thing. I mean, what do you think about that today?

 

Germar Rudolf: David Irving has never been a “Holocaust” revisionist, as such, as we would describe, in that he researched the matter, argued the matter, and came to conclusions based on the evidence he found, and the arguments he has assessed.

 

If you look at what he has published over the years, he has published stuff about the war, about war heroes, or central war figures. And he has never published anything serious about revisionism. And when I visited him back in London, back in the years, he said:

 

“He doesn’t read the revisionist books.”

 

You know, he always brags, he doesn’t read mainstream historians books! He goes to the archives. He goes to the source material itself and does the research. And he doesn’t care about what other people write, because it’s irrelevant. The only thing he’s interested in is:

 

“What sources do they quote? Have I covered that? Did I find them? And if not, where do I find them? Then I use them.”

 

I’m not saying that the approach is wrong, quite to the contrary. At the end of the day, the evidence matters, not somebody’s published opinion about it.

 

So it’s always good to go to the evidence and make up your own mind. But that’s exactly the issue! He has never done that in the issue of the extermination of the jews. He hasn’t done it about Auschwitz! About Treblinka! About Belzec! About Sobibor! Majdanek, or any other camp. He has done no footwork whatsoever! Archival, forensic, whatever you want to call it, to even assemble some amount of evidence to base his opinion upon! Therefore his opinion is as relevant as anyone’s!

 

Jim Rizoli: Right.

 

Germar Rudolf: Just because he’s David Irving and has published books on historical aspects of this and that, doesn’t mean he’s an expert, and needs to be taken seriously when it comes to these things. No, it’s not!

 

When we’re talking about David Cole, it’s similar in this regard. He has done some footwork when it comes to Auschwitz. And I have been over the years, until not too long ago, actually been in touch with him. And sometimes he’s preparing something. And then he asked me for an update of what the research situation about Auschwitz is. Asks me a few questions. What are the primary sources, that I pointed to him. Because he doesn’t want to do the footwork of even reading the revisionist books, or going to the archives! He then asks someone:

 

“Where’s that stuff?”

 

And I point him to it. And he always asks only about Auschwitz, none of the other stuff!

 

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And he has maintained – to some degree Irving the same thing, because his trial was mainly about it, he was forced to go into the evidence a little bit there, but not too much.

 

He maintains his stance about Auschwitz, David Cole that is, saying:

 

“It didn’t happen! There were no gas chambers there.”

 

Because he has done a little bit of footwork there and he knows that the evidence clearly points to:

 

“No, it didn’t happen.”

 

He hasn’t done the same thing with the other camps. So then he falls back to:

 

“What makes life bearable and easy for me? Well, go with the mainstream. Because I have to make life bearable to some degree, and don’t want to get involved in a battle that just drags me deeper, and deeper, and deeper, into the rabbit hole!”

 

And when it comes to Mark Weber, … Mark Weber I’ve seen him interact with David Irving and he’s very basically parroting what David Irving has been saying.

 

[Image] Mark Weber.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah. It seems like they’re kind of together, David Cole, Weber, and Irving, are kind of like:

 

“Birds of a feather, flock together.”

 

And the limited gassings, people were killed in the camps. The Einsatzgruppen killed, you know, a million people, …

 

Germar Rudolf: David David Irving is an extremely dominant person, socially speaking.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah.

 

Germar Rudolf: To the point where he can get really unpleasant.

 

Mark Weber is a shifty person, who tries to arrange his professional environment in a way where he stays on top, and everybody that maybe a threat, gets out of the way. And he keeps control over everything. So he’s a control freak when it comes to his IHR [Institute of Historical Review] thing, and with minimal efforts trying to make a living. Because basically when you look what he’s producing and the quality of work, there’s nothing left!

 

Jim Rizoli: Nothing! Yeah.

 

Germar Rudolf: He’s pushed everyone out. They wanted to do work and he has repelled everyone. And he is basically in this relationship, Irving-Weber. He’s the submissive party.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah.

 

Germar Rudolf: I’ve seen them interact when they are one-on-one, or sitting in a restaurant with a few people, the way he panders to David Irving, sycophantic behavior that made me sick to watch! It was appalling! And I walked out of it. I said:

 

“Oh! This is just awful!”

 

Having seen this kind of dynamic between the two that’s all there is to it! He’s just creeping us up David Irving’s ass, because that’s a comfortable position to be in for him! Because this big David Irving then gives him a little bit of a share of the reputation, and recognition, and stabilizes his situation of having control over the IHR. And that’s all there is to it.

 

Jim Rizoli: ,You know what bothers me? I heard that he’s actually sitting on a bunch, a lot of books that should be republished, or could be republished. Really good revisionist books. He’s not doing it! He’s just holding them and not publishing them! And that really bothers me, you know?

 

Germar Rudolf: Arthur Butz told me, … You know, we are getting off on a tangent, which I shouldn’t get off on. But then I’m going there anyway [chuckling]! Arthur Butz tells me:

 

“Stop kicking a dead horse!”

 

And with that, he means Mark Weber and the IHR.

 

 

But since you brought it up, look, everyone look behind Jim Rizoli, you see those 44 books there. Hard hitting, top-notch research results published through my outlet over the past 20 some odd years!

 

If you try to find any of those books; hardcover, softcover, whatever it is, offered by the IHR, you will find out that they offer nothing! I have offered to Mark Weber repeatedly, special deals that he can even sell the books on his website. He offers them, he sells them, but he doesn’t have to keep any stock, he doesn’t have to buy any books from me. He just forwards the incoming orders to me. I fulfill them and he gets cut. A very generous cut! Twice the amount of industry standard! I do that with other publishers, with other outlets. It works just fine.

 

He refuses to do it! Initially when I said:

 

“Well I’ll give you a special discount, you buy the book.”

 

“No, I don’t have storage space to put them in.”

 

“Well, then I just send them to you as you need them.”

 

“Well no, we don’t have the money to put up front to buy these books.”

 

“Well, I mean, do it on commission.”

 

“Well no, this is inconvenient.”

 

“Well then I do order fulfillment for you. You will not have anything to do. You can automatize it. You see this book is published by Castle Hill Publishers. Somebody orders it, the system sends the email to me, I fulfill it. You get the money! You have no effort whatsoever! No expense whatsoever! You just rake in money! What’s the problem?”

 

Will not do it!

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah.

 

Germar Rudolf: Why will he not do it? Answer that question to yourself. There are a number of answers to it, but none of them are positive.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah, well I mean, yeah. Germar, right now you’re probably the top man in regards to the revisionist movement, in regards to getting things done, published, and out there.

 

And, of course, I’m close with Fred Leuchter. And we have a good relationship with him. Because he obviously agrees with you and is on your side 100%. And I mean, it’s good to see people that are standing up and standing firm with this, because you have loose, back revisionist, like Mark Weber. I don’t even really consider him a revisionist. David Irving, I don’t consider a revisionist. And the other ones I talked about.

 

But you’ve been doing this for years and you’ve been hanging in there. And I mean, you’re not making a million dollars. But you’re hanging in there. I mean, I’m happy to see that you’re doing this.

 

And I wish more people would buy your books. I hope people watching this will hopefully, if they have some money to spend, if you have a $500,000, you want to buy the whole set, you know, invest your money in something that’s positive! That’s good! That’s gonna give you some information., you know what I’m saying?

 

People can waste their money on all this other garbage. And I look at books as very valuable, especially with the internet now banning everything. I mean, eventually these books won’t be available anywhere. I mean, if you have them, then you have them! That’s the way I look at it. I mean, if you’re interested in the topic, you know what I’m saying?

 

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Germar Rudolf: Very soon, hopefully within the next week, or two, we will have a special deal on the Holocaust Handbooks. That is a library edition. And as I mentioned we’ll offer them for a cheaper price. So right now the hardcover edition is over a thousand dollars. And we will probably offer it roughly half the price, which will be just a little bit over production costs, plus shipping.

 

But, if anyone orders that library set of books it will go to a library. So they have to tell us which library is supposed to get it. So this is a way for people to donate the whole set, hardcover. Libraries don’t take paperbacks of that kind of books, because they don’t last. They use that as an excuse to reject them. Hard covers last, so that’s what they want to have.

 

And then people can actually make a donation to a public, or an academic library – include the information, which one they prefer. If they don’t enter any, we pick one, we communicate with the customer who makes a donation. And then we make sure that we have someone, somewhere, who tracks down whether the library accepts them, stores them, catalogs them, and makes them accessible.

 

And a story may develop out of that, that they actually reject them, or they hide them in the archive, or they don’t catalog them, or they put them in a poison cabinet, not giving anyone access!

 

Jim Rizoli: I think that’s a great idea! Because isn’t it true that books like that you can’t check out, right? You can’t take out a book like that, can you?

 

Germar Rudolf: There are unique, particular of historical value, if you have of anything that is considered an antique, or of any kind, that you can only take them into the reading room. Sometimes even under supervision.

 

Jim Rizoli: That’s why I said that in the beginning, because, well the books that I’ve gotten in the libraries in the past people have stolen them. I think that’s a great idea for people watching this video. If you want to see if you can do something positive to get this message out with these books. Like you say, say you’re going to donate, you’re going to buy the books, or how it works, you buy the books and donate them to the library. The library puts them in. And then they got the books. I mean, that’s really good. I think that’s a great idea!

 

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Germar Rudolf: Yeah. Because any academic researcher that will then go to a library and look what’s there. You think nowadays a lot of research is through the internet. Through the internet we are already present. If somebody looks for them, they find them “Holocaust Handbooks”. All available for free.

 

But when it comes down to some serious researchers I earlier mentioned, at the end, it is still going to the archives, it’s still going to the libraries. And once the books are, they will stumble over them. And if you have this massive set you can’t just, … I mean, a lot of scholars will still turn a blind eye to it! But the younger ones, the less prejudiced ones, take note anyhow and that’s seeding doubts in young minds that actually do some serious research in libraries.

 

And also it’s about anyone else. I went to the library when I was young researching that topic and all I found was mainstream stuff, very little revisionist stuff. Had I ever stumbled over something like that treasure trove opening up your mind, wow! What is this! It would have been an explosion of knowledge!

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah.

 

Germar Rudolf: So we want to have people get that opportunity by chance stumbling over it. If you already know what you’re looking for you always find it, because we have it out there. But for the people who don’t look for it, they should still stumble over it.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah. I mean, that’s a great idea. I hope people watching this will think about that. Maybe, if you want to contribute to the cause, this would be a good cause to contribute to and helping other people in a library to see the information. I think that’s great.

 

And again, you mentioned too, all the PDFs. I got all the PDFs on my phone. I can read all the time. And I put them on my phone, and I read them on my tablets. And you can download those free if you want.

 

But I really would love to see more people, even if they don’t want your books, contribute to the cause! I mean, right Germar, people can at least contribute to the cause to help you keep the work going. I mean, this is what bothers me. The “Holocaust” lobby has millions and millions of dollars supporting them and all their efforts.

 

Germar Rudolf: That is an understatement! They have billions, that’s more like it.

 

Jim Rizoli: Billions, I mean. And here you are working hard to keep the most important information and the truth about this topic. And it’s like you have to go from week to week, month to month, just getting by. I mean, people put your money where your mouth is! Support the cause! I love to see people support the cause more. So even if you don’t read, support the cause! Do something! Get the information out! Get them into the libraries, if you have money to spend, then do that. I don’t know people always say.:

 

“Well, what can I do to help you?”

 

Well, look, I don’t want your money. Just get this information out there, that’s the most important thing.

 

Well anyway, how would you like to conclude? Anything you want to say Germar? I know going about an hour.

 

Germar Rudolf: I guess in the video description below when you post we can put some links on where to get the “Holocaust” handbook series, and whatever form you want them. And also a link to where you can actually donate.

 

Jim Rizoli: Okay. You send me whatever you have. And I’ll put it in the description of the video. You know, I have probably, Diane, we have about maybe 350 people on our email list. Which is a pretty good email list. And then I have my BitChute site. And I have my other video sites. And this is going to go on all the sites.

 

And we have a movement here that’s very important I think. People have to see it. And you have the fake revisionist movement, okay! We already talked about [chuckling]! And then you got the movement that you’re taking care of, and you’re spearheading. And I think that’s the moment we got to support and get behind, however we can do it, okay. Leave Germar money in your will! Anything! Give him something so he can continue on with the cause. Very important information I think people have to see.

 

Well Germar look, you did a great job with all this information. And again, like I said, you’re probably the top man doing it today. And we look to you in the future to get more information out there to even Whittle it down to get it even more concise, so that people can actually see more information.

 

Germar Rudolf: Video production. You know, images tell more than a thousand words and getting it presented in good documentaries is a challenge now. Because I had to switch on getting the book series, all our ducks in a row for releasing the hard covers. I had to put video production on halt.

 

And finding people who actually can chip in there is very difficult. Volunteering is a challenge on several levels. Because, if we want to have anyone help us, we need to be able to trust people on several levels. Because helping us with anything requires us giving them access to something. And there’s so much hostility and false friends out there, who just want to get the foot in the door in order to do damage! We need to be very careful with who we actually accept.

 

And then there’s the problem of reliability. Anyone volunteering, but then bailing out of project halfway down. This is happening, I would say, 80% of the time. Somebody volunteers and it ends up falling flat.

 

So this is a real problem. Right now it’s not so much that we have lack of manpower than we have a lack of financial resources to actually finance the people we already have that help us.

 

Because the end of the day, you get what you pay for. And a million volunteers that are unpaid sometimes do more damage than they do good [chuckling]! So at the end you need to pay people.

 

And that’s the switch that we had in CODOH also, the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust. When Bradley Smith did it, almost everything was done on a volunteer basis. And we switched that model over. We’re trying to run it as a company. And so keep strict quality control, and security, and profitability, up there, because otherwise the money just goes away without doing much. And that works much better.

 

But we have to, at the end of the day, we need to pay bills. And that’s where the biggest constraint is.

 

Jim Rizoli: Yeah, well you’re doing a great job Germar! I always enjoy talking with you. And again hopefully people will react and get more involved in some way here. And that’s my hope that this will happen.

 

Okay Germar. Thank you for being on my show today, and update us if you have something that we should know about, let me know. Because then I can send it out, or we could do another interview, or talk to you some more about it, or whatever.

 

But, whatever information you have that you think is important for us to know, … Because we get this out every week. Diane and I, she puts the newsletter together and gets our videos out, and gets the information out. So people see it every week. So it’s important for people to see that.

 

Okay everyone. I want to thank you for watching our video. I’m Jim Rizoli with Germar Rudolf, and we appreciate you watching. And again we’ll talk to you another time. Bye now.

 

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• 4 days ago

  rambetter

  Jim you have all the best guests on your show.  Fred Leuchter and Germar Rudolf.  Major credit to you.  <3

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• 4 days ago

  Uptake

  Thank you very much for this upload. The Holocaust Handbook series are gold. I hope he would carry on publishing more and more until he leaves no stone unturned in this topic, even if that takes a thousand volumes!  In some cultures, very niche topics are covered in hundreds of volumes, each volume composed of over a thousand pages. It is only in Western culture that people are disinclined to write too much, sadly because we live in a part of the world where reading for the purpose of education is not ingrained in culture. People simply cannot read except in pursuit of entertainment and so publishers and authors often keep their educational books and their volumes short.  This man clearly does what he does not in pursuit of money but the truth, people such as this deserve investment. They deserve platforming. They deserve empowerment, but you often find them ostracised and marginalised, exploited and abused. This part of the world that we live in is undeserving of people such as this. This is why it is in the continuous decline that it is in.  I have not been researching the holocaust for a long time. In fact, I am new to this journey in history and in politics. I am so happy to have come across these handbooks today. I will be investing in them and I encourage others to do the same, if they haven’t already of course, because I know many in this field know this man and unlike me are already acquainted with his series of books.  [show less]

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• 4 days ago

  Fakenukes

  ABX is conspicuously missing from this discussion….she’s scrolling through Wikipedia to find a way to discredit Germar, LOL

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    Marcus CeltOrwell’s Daughter

    LOL Im gonna have nightmares tonight

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    Orwell’s DaughterMarcus Celt

    You’ve been Stockholm Syndromed by Babs

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• 4 days ago

  Fakenukes

  Leave the ones where she makes death threats….keep em up for everyone to see

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• 4 days ago

  @abx0018b50b

  Jim, please stop telling the truth and giving a platform to knowledgeable guests. You are making our job of deceiving the masses very difficult. You types should just stop.

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    drumbum

    LOL

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    Marcus Celt

    https://i.imgur.com/pV1MQvy.gif

    

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    SafariSam USA

    I like your 1st Statement, at least your being Honest now.  I respect that.  But Jim Should NOT “stop”.

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    SafariSam USAMarcus Celt

    Did they Not have Bagels back then?

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    @abx0018b50cSafariSam USA

    Mr not so bright that isn’t my username

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    papasha408@abx0018b50c

    You are an incorrigible liar and a jerk with no sense of proportion.  Do everyone a favor and ef off!

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• 4 days ago

  Orwell’s Daughter

  Germar’s material has helped me open the eyes of several people. As a doctor, I have a few colleagues who aren’t total lemmings. I sent them to Germar’s website & they were amazed. Thanks Germar. You are one of the only White men left.

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  • 4 days ago

    Jim Rizoli

    Germar is a brilliant person anybody that does not see that I don’t know what to tell you he knows his stuff.

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  SafariSam USA

  I talked to a guy the other day who had a German last name, and he said he didnt understand how “Everyone wants to be like Hitler”.  So I told him some of the Holocaust Revisionists story.  He didnt seem mad, and actually I think I gave him something to think about and Research.  Amazing, the More I follow this subject,  the more Ridiculous the “Official Jooz’s” Story becomes.  And I’m a Recovering “Holocaust Believer”, Rehabilitated.  Well I Never verbally assaulted a Holocaust Denier because I’m a Very Open Minded Person.  Actually I thought it was a Joke at first, but the more i listened and Read the Books the More it made sense. [show less]

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    @abx0018b50c

    Did you spew a series of lies like you usually do??

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    Jochen88@abx0018b50c

    Here comes the flood of filth…..

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    papasha408@abx0018b50c

    Why don’t you bugger off and bother some other site?  This guy is a Hasbara Troll!!!

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• 4 days ago

  SafariSam USA

  You know what, the Bible does say the Antichrist will turn on the Jews during the Tribulation period.  So its possible.  And the Antichrist will be a Jew.  1 John 2:22“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.”

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• 4 days ago

  Fredziffle108

  do they take credit card?

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    papasha408

    Yes, they do!!

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• 4 days ago

  Regensordo

  The handbooks are a massive achievement.

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• 4 days ago

  Fredziffle108

  Hunt’s work on Majdanek was sooo good

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  RebellischerCherub

  fred Leuchter is art professor?

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• 4 days ago

  TrueHistory

  Excellent interview with Germar, these books are great I have them all, look forward to the hard cover Hand books, keep up the good work. The truth will always come through.

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• 4 days ago

  Revision

  THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. NOT SOME CONSPIRACY BS.

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  4thAmendment

  inclusive Arabs/Palestinians Semite GOYim exclusion A Discussion on the Evil Liability Talmud barf sQuad of faKe Enron’s/vanGUARD/blac rocK on & on a disEASE Religion of god of FORCEs – Charles Guliani target=”_blank”>https://www.goyimtv.tv/v/3770109016/A-Discussion-on-the-Evil-Talmud—Charles-Guliani [show less]

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• 4 days ago

  niemsong

  Two heroes of mine JIM and GERMAR! Everyone needs to hear this!

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  SafariSam USA

  Galileo likewise defied the Pope by Stating the Earth Revolved/orbited around the Sun by using Science and Mathematics.  Here’s an article from the Hitler Channel, I mean History Channel.  https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/galileo-is-accused-of-heresy ;; If we dont learn from True History, we are doomed to repeat it.  And today we know the Pope was a Bigoted, Close Minded Fool.[show less]

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    BolshevikSlayer

    the heliocentric model is a complete farce. Sir George Biddell Airy demonstrated this fact with an experiment that has been called Aire’s failure. It was a failure because he set out to show that the earth revolved around the sun. His experiment proved the opposite. Michaelson and [show more]

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  papasha408

  Hello Germar.  I’m a big fan.  You are so needed in this ridiculous world we live in today!

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John Friend: All right folks welcome back to another edition of the Realist Report. This is your host, John Friend. Today is Thursday, October [November] 5th, 2020.

 

Of course my website is therealistreport dot com, where you will find an extensive archive of these podcasts as well as other programs I’ve participated in. You will also find all of my blog posts and articles, a contact page, my twitter feed, which is embedded in the right hand sidebar of the website, and many other useful and important links.

 

I am a regular reporter for American Free Press, America’s last real newspaper. And I also contribute to the Barnes Review, the bi-monthly revisionist history magazine. Please do subscribe to these fine print publications. Check out American Free Press dot net and Barnes Review dot org for all the details.

 

All right with that said let me introduce our special guest today. The one and only Germar Rudolf is joining us for the very first time! Germar, welcome to the program! How are you this morning, sir?

 

Germar Rudolf: Well, thank you for having me. I’m doing fine. And yourself?

 

John Friend: I’m doing good! I’m doing good! The past couple of days have been crazy with this election going on. This still unresolved election. I think it’s pretty clear that there are trying to steal this thing from Trump. So we will have to kind of wait and see what happens with that.

 

But we have a number of other important topics to discuss here this morning, so it’s really an honor to have you here. I’ve been very much influenced by your writing and your work over the years. I’ve heard you interviewed on other programs. And I’ve always wanted to have you as a guest here. So I’m glad that you are able to join me this morning, and I thank you for taking the time.

 

To get started could you maybe just introduce yourself a little bit? Give us a little bit of background and explain your experience in the revisionist movement and what lead you into critically investigating the World War Two narrative and specifically the alleged Jewish “Holocaust” of six million Jews during this monumental period of history.

 

 

 

Germar’s Background and His Start in Revisionism

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Germar Rudolf: Yes! Well, that’s a question that the answer to which could take an hour already! [chuckling] I’ll make it shorter than that.

I’m a native German. So I grew up in Germany and I got my school and university education in Germany. I finished with a Masters degree, or an equivalent of that in Chemistry, back in 1989. And then started a year later after doing my compulsory military service, I started working on a PhD in Chemistry.

 

And it was around that time that the Leuchter Report was issued. That was in 1988. I found out about it in 1989. And was curious about it. I had a keen interest in German history for years, but I never touched upon the “Holocaust”. That was too hot a topic, too unpleasant a topic for Germans, I would say. Maybe a number of them would make a career out of it, of doing the “mea culpa” thing. There are a lot of them actually in Germany. But that wasn’t my thing.

 

So I stayed away from it. German history, for me it was, of interest, was the Kaiser time, First World War, the run up to the Second World War, and how the Second World War got started, and the aftermath. So I kind of stayed out of the war itself. Because it’s just too bloody a topic, and of course in particular the “Holocaust”.

 

 

Paul Rassiner, the French Founder of Holocaust Revisionism

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What changed it was a book that I read just a few months before I found out about the Leuchter Report. And that was a book by French historian Paul Rassiner, who is considered the founder of historical revisionism.

 

 

He himself had been in a concentration camp because he had helped Jews get illegal papers to get out of occupied France. And he ended up in the Buchenwald camp, and after the war wrote about it. And was not pleased by the exaggerations and lies that was spread by his fellow inmates. And that was his starting point.

 

And when I obtained the book of his in, I think it was spring 1988, 1989, I was amazed! Up to that point anyone who was questioning the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative for me was just a Nazi, a Right-wing extremist, an anti-semite, and all the kind of labels that are put on people who question the “Holocaust”. And I was among those mainstream people who automatically, in a Pavlovian reflex, threw these words at people who would dare to doubt.

 

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But this guy, I couldn’t do that with him because he was a victim of National Socialism! He had been inside a concentration camp as a prisoner. He had suffered terribly. And yet there he was doubting the whole narrative and bringing up arguments against the gas chamber claims, which opened up my mind. Allowed me to have doubts, to question the thing itself. I did not yet do it, but the preparation of my mind, the opening up of my mind was there.

 

[Image] Fred Leuchter holding up his copy of the original Leuchter Report for the second Zundel Trial in Canada, in 1988.

 

 

Discovering the Leuchter Report

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And then a few months later I happened to stumble over the Leuchter Report. Which of course in one of its sections talks about taking wall samples and analyzing them chemically.

 

Now of course I had just graduated in chemistry a year before, roughly a year before. And that was my field of expertise. History had been a hobby, a field of interest, but I never felt like I could contribute in any way to it because I’m not an historian by any stretch of the imagination. I was just a consumer, an aficionado, if you wish.

 

But there was a topic where I thought:

 

“Well, I can understand it, I can verify that, I can actually maybe even contribute to it.”

 

And that is how I got going on that.

 

 

Starting My PhD at Max Planck Institute in Stuttgart

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And while I was doing that, a year later starting my PhD at Max Planck Institute for Solid State Research in Stuttgart, I realized that they have a fine research library, and they had an online research.

 

Back then in 1990, 1991, there wasn’t no such thing as the internet yet. But there was intranet of libraries that were already connected and communicating in a similar fashion, as it was then expanded to encompass everyone in the world wide web.

 

So there was a pre-existing web, and it was fantastic! I could use it without getting charged. I could do all the research that I wanted.

 

And in my spare time when I was not working on my PhD, I went there and had the librarians work for me on that topic of, well, what chemicals are being formed, how are they being formed, and what kind of chemistry is going on, and what conditions had been prevalent and would be needed. And all these questions that were raised, I started to answer.

 

 

The Leuchter Report — Jumping the Gun

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Not because I was planning on doing anything with it. I was just curious. It was just pure curiosity. Because in my mind it was too important a topic to ignore it, and to leave it half done! Because that was my impression when I read the Leuchter Report. He just took those sample, had them analyzed, got the results and then said:

 

“Well, because the results are not as I expect them, that proves that there was not any mass gassings going on in Auschwitz.”

 

But my opinion back then and still today, he kind of jumped the gun. Because there were so many questions the were not properly answered.

 

Like the chemical compound that he had been looking for in his analysis. Could they be long-term stable enough to survive forty years? Because between the end of the war and the time he took the samples — we’re talking about roughly forty years — would they be able to survive? Unless you can give a definitive answer to that, it makes little sense to take samples.

 

And then the next question is; well of course if we have established — and I did that then by doing a lot of research — that they do survive forty years or more, so that it makes sense to look for them analytically, could they form in the first place? What were the conditions that are claimed to have been present during those mass gassings? The physical conditions, the chemical conditions, the actual conditions of what happened exactly, what concentrations were used, how quickly was it ventilated? Could it have been ventilated?

 

All these questions that came up to my mind and I think had to be answered. And I couldn’t find the answer in the Leuchter Report. So he left me high and dry, and thirsting for more. And that was what I was doing for my own curiosity sake.

 

 

Zyklon B — How Stable over Time?

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But I knew that a lot of people out there who would be interested in these findings. And as soon as I had my first findings, in early 1991, that showed that the chemical which was analyzed, which was detected by those analyses, called, … There’s an umbrella term term called “iron blue”, and there is some subsets of it called “Prussian blue”, and “Turnbull blue” and all kinds of other names are used for it. But it’s a blue pigment essentially that is a combination of iron and cyanide.

 

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And cyanide is the part which comes from Zyklon B, which is the infamous product said to have been used to mass murder jews in Auschwitz.

 

So I found out with a number of peer-reviewed papers that had been published in the fifties, sixties and seventies, that this pigment is indeed is extremely stable and should survive with ease those forty years between World War Two and the time that Leuchter had taken his samples.

 

And I sent those papers, I made copies of the papers and sent them to a list of people and institutions that I had received from a friend of mine who told me that they might be interested. I didn’t know any of these people. I just sent it out. It was some twenty people, or so.

 

 

A Trip to Auschwitz for Samples

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And one of them must have become interested in me expanding that research, because he contacted me, and invited me, and then asked me whether I would be willing to myself go to Auschwitz, take samples and do a similar analysis. And I happily agreed to do that.

 

I took a few days off from my employment as a PhD student to go on an extended weekend to Auschwitz. And we did our research there and took samples and had them analyzed.

 

Fortunately at Max Plank Institute also had a nice engineering department where you could get, as a PhD student, you could get your own machinery built. So if you were doing some experiment, or were planning on doing some novel experience [experiment?] you needed some novel machine, some novel setup to do your experiment, they would actually construct it for you.

 

 

Having Max Planck Institute Build a Little Gas Chamber

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So I had an engineer friend of mine make construction drawings of an experimental little gas chamber that we could use to expose building material to hydrogen cyanide, to Zyklon B fumes, essentially. To see how they react to verify that my chemical findings were accurate.

 

And Max Plank Institute actually built it for me, at their expense. As a matter of fact it sounds a little bit spurious that I did that, but I had a contract with the Max Plank Institute, the Max Plank Society. Actually the full name is “Max Plank Society for the Furthering of Science”. So what they do, their mission is to further science in any which way possible. And the contract I had with them allowed me to do my PhD, but allowed me also, expressively [explicitly] in a chapter it says:

 

“That any student who wants to do his own research on his own initiative is encouraged and invited to do so and use the Institute’s resources for it.”

 

Bingo! [chuckling]

 

John Friend: Wow!

 

Germar Rudolf: At the end of the day they didn’t like what I did with it, and then they eventually wanted to fire me because I had done that. And it went to court because I thought:

 

“You can’t do this, because I have the contract here that says explicitly I’m allowed to do it.”

 

And we settled then out of court and the contract with them was resolved [?] two or three months before it would come to a normal end. Anyhow it was only a limited contract of three years.

 

So anyway that was the setup. And the guy who actually contacted me and asked me whether I wanted to do that research and take my own samples, he was in contact with a lawyer who had clients who were on trial, or were prosecuted and soon to be on trial for quote, unquote, “holocaust denial”. And they then asked me to get all my results together, write an expert report that could be presented in court in Germany. Which I did.

 

And then I appeared in some seven or eight court cases as an expert witness. However I was never heard by the court because they basically violated German penal code. Because it said that:

 

“If an expert witness is already in the court room.”

 

So to say, there’s no expense and no time wasted for the court to get this witness. The witness is already there. He is an expert by his education, which I was. You don’t need a PhD degree to be an expert. Already if you have a diploma degree, which is somewhere between a Master’s degree and a PhD degree in the US. If you have that already you are considered an expert in chemistry and you can testify. And if you are in control of your mind, so you are not under the influence of some drugs or so, or unconscious, then you can’t testify of course.

 

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And if what you have to say is relevant to the case, which it is, because those people were on trial for denying that there were gassings in Auschwitz, and I could prove, or explain, to the court what could and could not happen according to the material evidence that I had found. So what I would testify was relevant.

 

 

German Court Breaks the Law and Denies Expert Testimony

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Under these circumstances the German penal code forces a court to hear the evidence. They cannot reject it! It’s already there, it’s relevant, it’s possible, do it! But no! They broke the law and denied me to testify anyway. And in one case the judge actually threatened me!

 

Now this is a crime under German penal law to threaten a witness in the witness stand, or in the courtroom, that if he testifies to his best knowledge that he would get prosecuted for it. And that is exactly what that judge did. He said:

 

“Witness, are you really going to testify along the line as the motion of the defense suggests?”

 

I said:

 

“Well you will hear, when I’m in the stand.”

 

So I didn’t even answer to that. But then he said:

 

“Well if you do testify along those lines, you are making yourself liable to prosecution because it’s going to be a crime!”

 

[chuckling] So he was threatening me as a witness that if I testify in a certain way that I would be prosecuted! But that is standard procedure in Germany. Back then actually you could still file a motion as a lawyer to have evidence like that introduced.

 

That changed in the mean time because of me. Because of my appearances they wanted to put a stop to it, so they changed the case law by a supreme court decision. That a lawyer who files a motion to introduce evidence which by its content denies the “Holocaust”, the lawyer actually commits a crime, and will be prosecuted. Merely for filing the motion! That does not even include the evidentiary statement itself, but only suggests that the statement would go along this line, and then this is already considered a crime.

 

 

German Lawyers Prosecuted for Filing “Holocaust Denial” Motion

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And several lawyers were prosecuted and sentenced in Germany for having done exactly that. And the first case that set the precedent was when a lawyer filed a motion to have me testify.