Mark Collett: Hello everybody, and welcome to tonight’s special stream. We are live tonight on Odysee, Rumble, DLive and Entropy. Please do share the links because we’ve got a very special guest here tonight that I’ll be introducing shortly. It is of course, Germar Rudolf. And before we do that, I’m going to give you a couple of updates.

 

Now, as I said, this is a very important stream. It’s because we’re introducing a special event that Germar Rudolf is hosting called, The Holocaust Summit. And this event is something that hopefully will be very big. And this is basically a bit of an advert for the event, a bit of a discussion about how it came about, but also a discussion about who’s trying to stop it!

 

So we’re going to go through all those things and many more tonight and at the end you’ll have a chance to ask questions.

 

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“Well, how can I get in touch with Germar?”

 

And this is obviously all about Germar. You can get in touch with Germar via the Show Notes. The Show Notes have the link to his website about this very event. So you can find him there. You can also find him on Telegram.

 

So thank you so much to anyone who does donate in advance. And please do consider supporting Germar’s event, because that’s what this is all about.

 

Now, obviously, Germar is the special guest here tonight, and I did a special show with him a while back. It was an excellent show, and his ability to present his evidence and to tell his story is almost unrivalled! I couldn’t believe it! I asked one question and Germar sort of spoke very eloquently for about 58 minutes, at which point we went to Questions and Answers. It was sort of the least work I had to do ever in a show! I didn’t need to interrupt. I didn’t need to ask him any additional questions. He just has this skill of being able to tell his story in a timely way and weave it all together almost perfectly in the allotted space that we had on the show. And after doing that show with him, I was sort of really happy with the way it turned out. I was really happy with the reception, Germar got from my audience, and I really did want to have him back on.

 

So when he contacted me and told me he was doing this conference, this Summit, I was very happy to promote it. And I asked him:

 

“So, hey, sort of, what can I do to help you?”

 

He said:

 

“Well I could always come on the show.”

 

So I thought:

 

“Well, what better way to push this event than invite him back on and spend sort of 45 minutes to an hour talking to him about this event and also just having a general catch up.”

 

Because the last show, as I said, it was so good and everyone appreciated it so much. I did want to get him back on eventually anyway, so this is a perfect time.

 

Germar, you have been a very busy man since we last spoke. How have you been? And what sort of led up to you wanting to do this event? Because you have an excellent website, you have a number of really good books, you’ve been busy with other content creators. I know that you went on Unity News Network and you’ve had sort of a little flurry of appearances, but if you want to get people up to date with what you’ve been up to and when, what sort of inspired you to decide to put on this conference, please tell us all about it.

 

[04:45]

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, well, thank you.

 

First of all, thank you for having me on the show again. A short remark. If people want to get in touch with me personally, learn more about me, how they can support me if they are so inclined, the easy way is just go to my personal website, which is Germarrudolf.com. So you see my name there on the screen. Just put this together without a blank and a dot com at the end, and you’re on my personal website and you can browse it there.

 

Now, as to what I’ve been up to over the past year, the main work that I’ve been focusing on was getting the Holocaust Encyclopedia, the English edition of which had appeared in late 2023, out in several other languages. The Spanish and French are out. The Spanish came out in I think it was maybe of last year. And the French we got out, I think it was in November. So we are up now to four languages. English, German, which was done by a different company. It was not in my ballpark. But the French and the Spanish edition, and that’s a lot of work. I mean, writing an encyclopedia is one thing, then AI helps you translate. But at the end you have to walk through it. My Spanish and French is good enough. I could do most of the proofing and editing myself. And then came the big one that we’re preparing right now! It’s an Arabic edition.

 

So that’s like proofing a pot full of spaghetti, because that’s how that language looks like to me. [chuckling] No clue about it! But I have professionals working on it.

 

And so this is making good progress and hopefully within a few months that will hit the mark and we’ll see how that’s going to be received. What kind of ripples that we’ll have, if any. So that’s on that side.

 

Now coming to the actual event for which we have come together today. Holocaust sceptics have been organising conferences since the late 1970s. And the early, …

 

Mark Collett: Okay, I just ask a quick question before you go into this?

 

You mentioned that the books are available in French and Spanish, but aren’t the Holocaust sort of revisionism laws or laws and against revisionist literature in France?

 

Germar Rudolf: So what?

 

Mark Collett: I was just asking about sort of the legality of the sales. Really, I was just, … What you might have to overcome in that case.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes, if I have the intention to abide by unjust and illegitimate laws that violate United Nations Charter of Human Rights, I wouldn’t have gotten into the topic to begin with. So I don’t give a rat’s arse about any dictatorship passing laws, prescribing the writing of history at government gunpoints. This is something that doesn’t go down well with me.

 

Now, when it comes to printing and publishing the book, that’s an international network and I’m not going to expose here or reveal here what kind of logistics we use. But it basically gets lost in the massive mail stream that goes into and out of every country every day. So we haven’t had any interference, be it getting literature, English literature, or French, also to Canada, to France, to, … You name the countries. If we had them by the bag or by the truck load going into the country that would be selectively subject to border controls, that would be a problem.

 

But it’s just going individual for every customer into the mail stream. And this just gets lost in the shuffle. So we haven’t encountered any problems yet. So knocking on wood. Fingers crossed. I hope I’m not going to jinx it now.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, I was just interested about the logistics of these things because there are draconian laws and I think what you’re doing is obviously very brave. And that answer of you’re not going to allow unjust laws to stop you. I think you’re a very courageous man. So sorry for the interjection. Please, please continue.

 

Germar Rudolf: That’s quite all right. So back in 1976, the first really scholarly book of Holocaust scepticism was published. That was Arthur Butz’s hoax of the 20th century. The first edition of which actually was published by Historical Review Press, kind of a small outlet that was established on occasion of that book appearing down in Brighton by Tony Hancock in the UK, even though the author, of course, is in the United States. That was the launching pad of people getting interested into Holocaust scepticism seriously, but also realizing that this is a serious School of thought that has to be reckoned with. And it led to the formation of the Institute for Historical Review in California. And they did have first conference was in 78 or 79 [1979], I can’t remember, I think it was in 79.*

 

 

[* See: The World’s First Anti-Holocaust Convention-Instauration Dec, 1979

https://katana17.com/2016/09/27/the-worlds-first-anti-holocaust-convention-instauration-dec-1979/.

[In this article, written for the Dec. 1979 edition of the revisionist journal,  Instauration, an interesting account is given of the first ever, “Anti-Holocaust” convention,  with speakers including:  Robert Faurisson from France; John Bennett from Australia; Udo Walendy from Germany; Louis FitzGibbon from Britain; Arthur Butz and James Martin from the US. This was held in Los Angeles and organised by the Institute for Historical Review  —  KATANA.]

 

And they had had subsequently, over the next two decades, conferences almost on a yearly basis, with a few exceptions. And unfortunately they had some internal strife in the mid-1990s, a kind of a schism there that led to internal fighting, unfortunately. That’s something that occurs on occasion. And that led to the whole School of thought and the Institute losing steam. And eventually those conferences petered out in the early 2000s.

 

And there hasn’t been any for the better part of 20 years now. And now I myself participated, since the first conference I attended was in 2000, I think so participated in the last few that happened, until I got arrested and deported back in 2005 and had a hiatus of six years in Germany, well, 44 months of them, full board at government expense. And after I came back to the United States a little bit shell shocked, got my feet wet slowly and eventually got back into the race.

 

But my family situation, I was married to a US citizen and we had a baby. And of course I was deported right out of this family. And she had to raise her daughter the first six years almost by herself. And so she was more traumatized by that event of government persecution. It was eventually decided that they deported me in violation of US law, and I had to litigate but eventually succeeded and came back. And now here I am in the United States, relatively safe from European style thought crime prosecution.

 

But my wife wasn’t happy in me continuing this kind of work, fearing that it would have another negative impact down the road for the family, not just for me.

 

[11:49]

 

So we had an agreement that I could continue my work privately but keep my head down and limit or try to not even at all have any public exposure. That also means I couldn’t do any conferences. I was approached during those years starting 2014, 15, something, that a conference should be held again and I would have been the person to go to with my connections, with my involvement in the various organisations and with my track record of productivity. But I waved it off. I couldn’t have pulled it off logistically back then.

 

A physical conference requires a lot of work of getting the venue, organising food and accommodation for all the people that want to attend and of course for the presenters themselves. And the costs, the overhead costs could be daunting! And it’s not clear that at the end you actually walk away with profit more likely not. Most of all because you always have to have a “Plan B”. The traditional enemies of free speech and freedom of assembly in the past have always tried to shut down events like that. And they most certainly continue doing this to this day. Not just when it comes to Holocaust scepticism, but anything that is considered Right-wing, whatever that be. Even though Holocaust scepticism is neither Right nor Left. It’s about accuracy in history. But it is something that finds interest in the Right-wing spectrum of the political spectrum more prominently than in Left-wing circles or libertarian for that matter.

 

Be that as it may, you have to have a Plan B, a second venue, in case the first bails out under pressure of the usual suspects, you have to quickly be able to switch over. So you always have to pay kind of for both. And if your contracts are not written right, you start paying through the nose. With all these challenges, I said I can’t do it, apart from the agreement I had with my wife.

 

Now Covid hit. With all the negative things there is one upside to Covid and that is that in the meantime everyone is used to and technically capable of attending virtual conferences.

 

So the kind of discussion we have now with a lot of people watching, we can have 10 people discussing something and 10 million people watching. It has become so common due to Covid that this is something that can now be pulled off. The platforms are there are plenty of them and the overhead costs are reduced. People have the software, have the gadgets to participate, to watch it. And they used to it. Particularly the new generation is very comfortable that kind of technology.

 

So last summer a friend and supporter of mine, actually a pair of sisters, approached me and said we need to do something with Gaza brewing there’s an opportunity opening with people opening their mind that who see that the Zionists and the jewish Israelis to a large degree, not all of them, are pushing and committing genocide. The United Nations Commission has officially recognised Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza with the justification that they have to pre-emptively wipe out the Gazans in order to prevent them from committing another holocaust against the jews.

 

So the Holocaust is used as a political weapon to commit mass atrocities, to commit a genocide. That has made people realise that the agendas and the historical narrative pushed by Zionists and it’s not just jewish Zionists, I always say there are more Christian Zionists in the world than they are jewish Zionists, is recognised by people as being illegitimate, as being driven by a Holocaust narrative that is misused for these ends. And they see how the narrative about what happened on October 7th back in when was that? 2023, right? So long ago already, wasn’t quite accurate what Zionist sources told about it either. So there is the distortion and misuse of history for political purposes.

 

And then people are willing with their open mind:

 

“Wait, what’s going on here?”

 

To look back in history and see other cases and then the to look at the big elephant in the room when it comes to historical narratives. And that’s the Holocaust used by pressure groups, not just jewish, not just Zionist ones, to push their agendas.

 

With that said, I couldn’t really bail out anymore. Unfortunately I had gone through a divorce in the meantime. And so my a home still agreement with my no ex-wife was no excuse anymore, that had evaporated. So my family situation also most of my children are now grown up and they’re out of the home. There’s only one left who needs a little bit more of tender loving care still.

 

So that argument is gone. The logistical nightmare of doing physical conferences doesn’t exist when you do a virtual one. And I had agreed:

 

“Okay, let’s do it!”

 

The sisters actually suggested a name, Holocaust Summit.

 

[17:30]

 

So I went online and looked whether the domain name is still there was. HolocaustSummit.com was available. I instantly reserved it and we started contacting people who would be willing to present it. Now the website is up. If we can share that screen with the audience. I’d like to go through a number of things we’ve put up there.

 

So as I mentioned, anyone can go there. Holocaust Summit.com, and it is organised and sponsored by a number of organisations. I’ve actually created a Holocaust Academy roughly a year ago, which I plan on and in the process of developing as a platform to teach sound Holocaust historiography to whoever wants to listen to give an accurate and holistic picture of the evidentiary situation when it comes to this event.

 

One of the first things that we’re now doing as the academy, major things we have already given private lessons, but the website itself is currently under development. So having a curriculum of a college style is somewhat daunting. But I’m working together with a retired Professor of humanities to get this going. And sometime later this year we will have that flying. But it will come now into the open as the organisation that will officially host the Holocaust Summit. So we are going to be independent, we’re going to be fearless, because unfortunately in this area you have to be! And we are not going to be censored if we can help it. And we’re not going to be constrained by politically correct taboos of thinking and asking questions and looking for answers.

 

So we’ll be tackling the most harmful ideology, undermining peace, truth and freedom world-wide. Because the Holocaust is used to trigger wars and genocides. That is used to enact censorship laws that suppress the search, the sharing of truth, and thus is used as a starting point for government to increase censorship measures. It’s easy to get a quote, unquote, “anti-Holocaust denial” law through Parliament.

 

And once the first fortress of freedom has fallen, then censorship like a cancer grows. And we see that in every country in the UK. You know it for yourself, what’s going on in your country. It used to be a stronghold of freedom of speech until they passed the new., … What was in 2002, I think the Public Communications Act. And now it’s completely escalating with the constraints they put on it.

 

So we need to be aware that the Holocaust is at the centre of the orthodox Holocaust narrative and its abuse, its misuse for political purposes, is at the centre of the problem of deteriorating freedom world-wide, or at least in the Western hemisphere.

 

Now we have picked the 27th of January, which, what is today, the 20th? I’m getting flustered here. Third. It’s already the 23rd, so it’s just in four days and next Tuesday should be. We picked that day for a reason. 27th of January 1945 was the day when the Red Army conquered the Auschwitz camp. And I choose that word wisely because the Red Army never “liberated” anyone. So they conquered the camp. And in 2005, if I’m not mistaken, the United Nations General Assembly adopted a resolution declaring that particular day 27 January, International Holocaust Remembrance Day.

 

So the iconic camp of Auschwitz, which is the most known alleged crime scene of what is labelled the Holocaust, Auschwitz is also the reason why we have this day as the international day of commemorating this event. And we want to use that too. Commemorating the truth and the lies, the exaggerations and distortions and the victims of this Holocaust narrative. The Gazans are the most recent, most extreme victims of this narrative. But we will have people present their experience of persecution and prosecution. Victims, martyrs, dissidents thrown into prison or having their livelihood destroyed.

 

So there’s a lot to commemorate and remember for us as well, and we will do that as well.

 

So the event itself will start 9:00 AM Eastern US time, which if I’m not mistaken is 2 clock in the afternoon for the UK and 3 PM for the rest of the most of the, …

 

Mark Collett: I think 7 PM in the UK. 2 PM Eastern is 7 PM in the UK.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, but we started 9 AM so it should be 2 PM

 

Mark Collett: Oh, okay. Sorry.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. We actually may start the stream a little earlier to test things and make things sure that things are running smoothly and make few accommodations and have a few organisational remarks before actually the day picks up with the presentations that we have.

 

Now if you click on the second link there, that CCR list and timeline of presenters that gets everyone down to the actual table where we have the presenters.

 

So this is our day. How we plan on having it unfold. We have the day started out with a contribution that I’m giving. Originally we had hoped actually for Nicholas Kollerstrom to take that spot. He initially had submitted a paper but then he had to retract it because it came under pressure, has been under pressure for a long time. So he wanted to talk about the English eclipse of communications.

 

But anyway, it’s not going to happen. There’s already one casualty of censorship and suppression, which is mounting and increasing in the UK. So I’ve taken that spot. And I take the opportunity because that event, short side note here, that event of course is streamed live. We will have the links on that website where people can reach it. Actually at the top there is already one and we’ll keep that updated.

 

But it’s a Tuesday. Not everyone will be able to sit and watch an event like this all day, on a normal workday. We will of course record it will be posted and people will be able to watch it whenever they please. And we will have it not only on our holocaustsummit.com website, but the company that actually hosts it, as at least the plan, is FTG media.com, and they are an independent platform.

 

So when it comes to them, we will not be de-platformed because it’s owned actually by one of the board members of one of our main sponsors, which is the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust. And he’s on the board there and he has suggested we use that platform so that we can’t be de-platformed.

 

I will be talking about 80 years of Holocaust scepticism, whence we came and where we are. So I give a historical overview since we assume that a lot of people over time, as years go by and these contributions will be accessible, a lot of people will not know much about our School of thought, its history and its views, that an introduction is due. We haven’t had anything like this happen in 20 years.

 

[26:02]

 

So there’s an entire generation that has grown up which needs to be or should be given an introduction of what we are handling and what we’re dealing with here. So I will be talking about the main events and the main achievements of Holocaust scepticism over the past, well, since the end of the war, basically 1946 or 47 when it kind of started. And in the second half I will give a quick rundown giving the most striking, the most convincing arguments why everyone should be sceptical about the mainstream Holocaust narrative, and give resources in that context where people can learn more.

 

So with that, the event kicks off. Every contribution, full contribution will have 45 minutes. I hope everyone stays in that slot, but you know how it goes. There will be a time overrun, possibly. Followed by 15 minutes of question answers. There will be a chat feature, FTG media.com like any other, like Rumble, like YouTube has a chat feature. In order to chat you have to have registered with the platform that doesn’t cost anything. You just submit your email address and get a free account and then you can chat. Now for the question and answer series session at the end, the last quarter hour, people are requested to make a donation in order to submit a question like the Superchat and various other platforms. And in order to do that you have to have a wallet with FTG media and the wallet is just automatically set up. When you get an account, you just have to fill it with some funds, whatever resources you take it from, plastic money or crypto or whatever.

 

So that is the plan. My contribution is followed by a compatriot of yours, James Mosley, who is a Catholic priest from the UK. He has done a number of documentaries on the Holocaust over the past several years. Really good documentaries. And when he was working on his first one, he approached me and asked me a number of questions. So I became his historical advisor, if you wish. Each time he was working on one, he submitted what he was doing and I would make suggestion how to improve it.

 

And he will be presenting what he found about the evidentiary situation in one particular camp that he had investigated and done a documentary on. And that’s Treblinka. Now if you click on James Mawdsley’s name up there in the list that actually will get you to, for every one of the presenters will get you to where there’s a short bio, you can see a portrait and a summary of the presentation. If you scroll a little up or down, you can go back to the list, back to the timetable.

 

So this is James Mawdsley. We have actually grouped the European presenters first. UK comes first. James Mawdsley. Next one is Peter Rushton, also from the UK and he will be talking about also history between dogma and taboo. He talks about the British intelligence communications and interaction with the German intelligence toward the end of the war. Looking for evidence that the Brits were really thinking that the German intelligence community, which was under the rule of Heinrich Himmler, the supposed main architect of the Holocaust, that the British were actually acting and communicating as if they believed that Himmler was really murdering or had already murdered at that point of time six million jews is a very interesting contribution. I’m looking forward to myself the that the title of it, the Dog that Didn’t Bark is already an indication of which direction that will go.

 

We’re having a lunch break after that. It is scheduled to be 2 hours long now I expect some time overruns and maybe stretching into the hour between 12 and 1. But we will have enough time during that break and I have yet to announce it because we just finished up preparing for this. The lunch break will have will see the premiering of a new documentary we have just finished. And this is about an appearance of representatives of the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust in the public arena. And we had a little bit of an impact there and we want to share that with the community. That’s I think a 35 minutes so it will fit in there either way.

 

So in the afternoon the first session is actually shared by three individuals who will be talking about their personal experience getting into Holocaust scepticism, how that happened and then also to what degree they were exposed to persecution, prosecution, ostracism and that kind of stuff. Nathaniel Kapner has been a very active person on social media, on YouTube, and now on other alternative platforms going after self-chosen people and their capers and also critiquing the misuse of history for political purposes.

 

Leo Walls is a bookstore owner in the US who tells his story of how that went when he started offering books that most don’t like.

 

And Georges-Marc Theil is actually a French fellow who has had decades of experiences of exposure to persecution in France.

 

Which leads us then to the next contribution that’s a bigger one. Seasoned revisionist Vincent Reynouard from France has under his belt now already 30 years of activism and I would say historical scepticism in general on the World War II issue, not just the Holocaust. And he has been the main focus as of last two, three years of the French judiciary to lock him away for good. He currently has to deal with seven court cases at once. He will be speaking during his presentation primarily about his experience of the abuse, … No. Not the abuse, the misuse of the law and the judiciary to suppress dissidents, peaceful dissidents on historical issues.

 

[32:54]

 

 

And after that we go into abuse of power and politics based on history. Heinz Bartesch and Andrew Allen will report about their experience with the Office of Special Investigations, that’s the jewish branch of the FBI that was focusing on what they call informally, “Nazi Hunting”. Hunting down immigrants who had some association during the war with what the Axis powers were doing and the OSI was trying to deprive them of their immigration status or even citizenship and deport them to Europe to have them put on show trials there. The biggest case known is probably the case of Ivan Demjanjuk, John Demjanjuk from the 1980s. Bartesch and Allen will actually discuss a different case, that concerns Heinz Bartesch’s father, late father, who the OSI wanted to deport. And they got a bloody nose because they didn’t reckon with the stiff resistance and skilled defense that Andrew Allen, a lawyer from the San Francisco Bay area, was putting up. They were presenting some insight into how the FBI’s branch, back in the days, it has been disbanded by now, was violating the law, breaking the law left and right and forging evidence and so forth in order to frame immigrants, just to have a heyday for themselves or to push Holocaust propaganda.

 

After that we have retired Professor Dr. David Scrbina, who used to lecture in the humanities and philosophy at Michigan State University, if I’m not mistaken. He will be talking about early mainstream voices of Holocaust scepticism already during the war and right not too long after the war, which shows that back in the days, even mainstream people were sceptical about the narrative being pushed at war’s end.

 

And we wrap up the day making full circle what I started beginning the day, showing where we came from and where we are. Carlo Mattogno, probably the most prolific revisionist scholar and writer that we have, but in my opinion, also the most knowledgeable Holocaust scholar on the planet! The mainstream included! He is. He can’t speak English or understand it well, and he is currently in a besieged situation in Italy where they passed a law in 2016, threatening anyone voicing their dissent on the Holocaust narrative with up to six years in prison. Now they haven’t done anything against him, even though he kept publishing books by the truckload. I think he’s by now more than 50 books published on that topic. But he does that in a very scholarly manner and in a very low profile. So in Italy there are a few, 10 people and maybe buy the books, but they’re kind of shelf warmers. And he wants to keep it that way. He doesn’t want to gain a larger profile. He wants to do his work underneath the radar of public attention in Italy. And therefore he has submitted his paper to me to present it. And I have increased it by my own take of: Where Do We Go from Here? One part of it is what are the White spots on the map of Holocaust historiography, which still need to be investigated, explored. But also what else needs to be done to hand the relay staff over to the next generation. And there are some quite promising prospects when it comes to new people coming on board with new ideas, with the help of new technologies, bringing it to a new level and a different level. So trying to imitate or copy what Carlo Mattogno has done with his massive work is not what’s going to happen. The direction I think will go somewhere completely different. And I will be talking about that and hopefully this is going to happen. And with this I hope we will be closing the day.

 

Now, there’s always a possibility that things don’t run as smoothly as they are listed here. Just today we got information that a powerful group, international group, in the business of suppressing a free speech and freedom of assembly. They call themselves “Opponents Against Racism and Anti-semitism”. But basically what that means is they want to stifle anyone who has an opinion that certain ethnic and religious groups with power and influence, don’t want to hear!

 

So they are working in the background. We know of that and we hope hopefully will be able to prepare for there’s no way of telling from DDoS attacks to trying to get to the backbone provider and what have you. Anything is possible these days to just. And if it takes to turn off the power plant so you don’t have electricity, [chuckling] but that’s what it takes, that’s what they’ll do! So we expect something. They have noticed with the kind of exposure that our Summit has already received beforehand that we are there, what we’re doing and that we are reaching out and having a ripple effect and they don’t like it!

 

Now the kind of presentation that I’m giving here right now, I’ve done a number of them. If you scroll up on the screen here slowly, you can actually see listed on the right-hand side a number of presentations linked to of other platforms where I have given an introduction to this event. So if anyone is interested in listening to those, you just click on the image and go to the respective platform which is usually Rumble or Bitchute where this is posted. And because of this, I think, and you helping out now too, this event hopefully is going to be a success. It promises to be a success for us, and it threatens to become one for those who don’t want our voices to be heard.

 

[39:37]

 

So there is going to be in the background the usual electronic warfare from the traditional enemies of free speech, to be expected, and we will see how that goes.

 

This is by and large my narrative now we are here right on the screen where the organisation of that event is shown. We actually, when we submitted to people who were potentially able to give presentations, the invitation to do so, we said we basically accept papers on three main topics.

 

The first is Holocaust in History, Taboo Between Dogma and Descent. It just talks about new historical findings and insights and interpretations on the event itself. The next one is Holocaust and Politics History as a Weapon. And I mentioned we have one contribution in this regard which will discuss the weaponisation of immigration law against immigrants in order to get propaganda campaigns out of it. And the last one is Holocaust and Human Rights History as a Muzzle, Holocaust Used to Push Censorship. And we have a number of presenters as mentioned who will discuss their very private experience of censorship.

 

So it should all be civilised and decent and for no one to get overly excited about in either direction. But of course certain groups get extremely excited if they fear that voices be heard that can disrupt their main source of power and influence. And there’s a lot at stake for them and they will go to extremes if need be to shut us down. We’ll see who at the end will have the upper hand.

 

Mark Collett: So are you expecting the usual sort of suspects to try and put a stop to this? Have you had anybody threaten your platform or have you had any threats in the run up to this or any attempts to stop this already?

 

Germar Rudolf: Yes, yes! We just today we got information that as I mentioned, you can have your own platform which is a computer program, but it has to run at the end of the day. It has to run on a server and has to have the connection to the backbone with the Internet cables with enough bandwidth. And usually you have some company providing services from the telecommunications company that hooks you up to what we call today the Internet, the physical Internet, to companies who do server co-location or dedicated server renting. And along that line I’m not quite sure what it was and I wouldn’t necessarily want to reveal it either. We already had approaches from certain quarters of pressure groups to shut down any link in that chain that would get our voice from where we sit to the Internet to the world. So that’s going on in the background and we have to see how that goes. Nothing has been shut down yet, but they’re trying.

 

Mark Collett: And when you kick this off, what sort of attendance are you expecting?

 

Germar Rudolf: Well, the Holocaust Summit website itself, HolocaustSummit.com if you go to the top, you actually see a link there where people can jump to the sign up form and just submit their email address so that they can stay informed if there are any sudden changes in the timeline in whatever is going to happen. Because we never know. If we go by that the last time I checked and that’s a week ago, that’s not quite accurate. We had submitted 300 emails through that. But I would expect these are only the hardcore ones who are willing to share their email. And the other, there’s not really a need if you just keep to the website. Go to the website and look up what the link is to the actual event and we will have it posted on other websites as well. You don’t have to identify yourself. So I would assume that the vast majority will not identify themselves even with an anonymous email.

 

So we need to see how it goes. I don’t know. Sign up has really accelerated with my frequent experience appearances on shows like yours over the past two weeks. And I would assume by now we have probably harvested several hundred more. But there’s no way of telling, as I mentioned, how many people who, how many of those who will attend will actually have submitted their email address. I would assume it’s a minority.

 

So hopefully we are going to have several thousand which will most certainly exceed, far exceed the range we could have had in the past with physical conferences, which were limited to a few hundred.

 

And of course then we have it not just streamed, but we have it posted. So on the usual platforms that will reach many, many more thousands, ten thousands in days, weeks, a month and years to come.

 

Mark Collett: And bearing in mind you said you are going to be doing donations and questions and answers on the day, sort of how do you expect or is there a way that people can sort of sponsor you in advance?

 

So obviously these events, they take a lot of time and effort to put together. I know it’s not a physical event and I know you’re not paying people to be there, but sort of, is there a way that people can actually sponsor the event and make donations in advance to help you guys with your infrastructure and to make sure the event goes smoothly?

 

[46:00]

 

Germar Rudolf: Absolutely! The HolocaustSummit.com website itself, if you were to go there and you go to the very end of the very bottom of the page, it shows the logos of the two companies who are the main sponsors and have officially declared themselves to be sponsors. You know, most actually want to stay anonymous. But there’s also a link that simply says, “Become an AMREC Holocaust Summit sponsor today”, which gets you to the shop of our Holocaust Academy where you can buy sponsorship packages and that actually has several tiers of whatever you want to invest in it. This would be the way to go. So holocaustsummit.com at the very bottom of the page, that’s where you could chip in to cover any costs. Most of us are actually working for free right now and there’s no payment. And FTG Media.com is a sponsor itself and their way of sponsoring is by giving us access to the platform free of charge. We don’t know what happens if, excuse my French, shit hit the fan with all kinds of attempts to shut us down and then we have to come to some more expensive ad hoc solutions to circumvent these things. There’s no way of telling right now!

 

Mark Collett: And one final question. So with it being on a Tuesday, it’s going to be difficult for some people to attend. Obviously it looks like it’s going to be a fascinating day and your lineup is an extremely strong lineup. And it’s rare to have a conference that is that well packed with guests, to start at 9 AM and go all the way through to 6 PM. It’s a big event. So where will this be posted for Replay? Is this going to be up on Odysee? What sort of places will it be available on replay?

 

And as a final sort of additional question, usually with conferences there are some kind of sort of, I don’t know, maybe a brochure, or some kind of physical keepsakes available. Is there any merchandise that people can purchase as well to support the event? So sort of two questions. There will there be sort of a full re-upload of everything? And is the like to commemorate this, any kind of physical merchandise that supporters could also purchase?

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah. So to the first question, once the event is over, it’s getting archived on our own website. HolocaustSummit.com will be moved to a folder 2026, and we will have there with posters and a short description, all the contributions listed. You click on it and you will probably have several options. They will be on Rumble and Bitshute and Odysee, and you can pick which platform you want to watch it on. We are probably not going to strain our own server because those platforms are good enough.

 

So this will all be available and the link to that archive will then be of course on the front page, on the home page, prominently displayed. When it comes to merchandise, we just started developing that and if I am not mistaken, … Let me have a quick look where we are with this.

 

The only company right now that actually has a merch contract is Armreg and we are developing, … Now if you were to go to armreg.co.uk as you know, the publishing branch of what we are doing is actually located in the UK. It is located in London. So if you go to armreg.co.uk and share that with the audience or do you want me to share it? Which way is faster?

 

Mark Collett: I’m just doing that myself now.

 

Germar Rudolf: So Armreg.co.uk.

 

Mark Collett: Just bringing that up. There’ll be two seconds. Just give me a couple of seconds just to get that set up. There we go.

 

Germar Rudolf: Okay, now at the top menu you see merch as the third entry. Yeah, click on that’s for merchandise and once that has loaded.

 

Mark Collett: Oh, it has loaded. Sorry, it’s just now I have to share that window as well. Well, just give me a second because it’s a pop out window. So two seconds. It’s weird how that works. Give me a second. Share screen. That’s the one.

 

Germar Rudolf: Yeah, that’s the one, yeah.

 

So if you scroll down a little, we have our various merchandise there’s one for Armreg itself and general stuff and there you see some merchandise. We have a mug and a Tshirt right now that has the announcement of that particular event.

 

Mark Collett: Wonderful.

 

Germar Rudolf: So that’s how to go about it.

 

Now I have still to put that link more prominently on the Holocaust Summit website so people can get there directly. That’s a good point for you to make that and I will make that happen once we’re off here, and I will add that to the site so people can get to the merchandise easily.

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you so much! We do have some Superchats so I’m just going to bring them up two seconds. We actually have a couple that hung over from the other night, so I’ll deal with them quickly. Covenant Soldier gave $10. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Love the show with Rob Rondo. Hail the active clubs.”

 

Thank you so much! Flying Dutchman gave $50.

 

Thank you very much. And said:

 

“Catching up. Happy New Year!”

 

Well, thank you my friend. I’ve actually sent you a message today so you can pick that up on Telegram. Thank you very much. Nationless Nationalist gave $3. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Hope and encouragement to those suffering in silence.”

 

Well, thank you so much! Some Guy 14 gave $10, thank you so much! Said:

 

“Qu huge respect to Mr. Rudolf.”

 

Thank you so much! And Aunt Sally gave $5 and said:

 

“Mark, how likely am I to get my door kicked in for watching this conference?”

 

In the UK you see, one thing I’ll say is like in the UK, if I’m correct, And I’m just getting this sort of as correct as I can. In the UK it isn’t illegal to actually deny the Holocaust or to engage in revisionism, as far as I know.

 

[53:13]

 

However, if you were to do so in a way that was seen as insulting or demeaning to people, it would be. So if you were making jokes or if you were saying things which were couched in the way that was meant to be insulting, that may be illegal.

 

However, if you were doing sort of academic work such as what you do, that would be seen in a different light.

 

So I think in the UK this would be legal, but it would be very hard for anyone to get into trouble for simply watching this at home. Would you agree with that?

 

Germar Rudolf: Absolutely! We have, with all the censorship laws we have not a single case where a country has stooped down to the point where they persecute people for just attending, listening and consuming. Even the countries with the harshest policies when it comes to this. That’s Austria and Germany. You can, for instance, you can buy Holocaust sceptical literature that is not illegal if you buy only one copy for your own use. If the government happens to intercept it, they can still destroy it, but they can’t prosecute you for it. The same with attending a conference like this. It is not an offence in any country of the Western world. And when it comes to the UK, case law says you can contest the mainstream Holocaust narrative until you’re blue in the face. What you cannot do is in that context, disparage victims, survivors, martyrs, whatever. So in any way talking ironically, sarcastically, humourously, or in any way that is considered offending toward the survivors, the victims and so forth.

 

Now the company, as I just mentioned, Armreg.co.uk that has published and republished all this material and before that we were actually in the UK since 1996. I was personally, I lived in the UK until 1999. And I started the whole operation there. And it was called Castle Hill Publishers has gone belly up in late 2023, and then we switched over to Amreg. So just a reorganisation basically. Almost at all times been in the UK except for a stretch of one and a half, two years, and we have never been harassed by anyone. So keeping it scholarly, keeping it matter of factly and civilised, as you should, any discourse anyhow, keeps you safe in the UK for now.

 

Anyone attending, when you are in the chat and you make comments in there that can be considered disparaging to jews in general or survivors or descendants and victims of the National Socialist persecution of the jews. And you do that with an account that for some reason, because you set it up that way, allows the authorities to identify you, which would probably not be smart.

 

If you want to go on FTG media or somewhere else, use an ID that doesn’t allow anyone to identify you. And if an email is required, if you want safety, use a burner email or someone, some email that is not officially traceable to you directly.

 

However, if you abstain from making those kind of comments, which I advise under any circumstances, because nasty language doesn’t reflect good on the community and I’m no fan of it. So if you abstain from these kind of comments, you should be good under any circumstances on any place on this planet.

 

It’s different for our presenters. Some of them come from Europe and as I’ve mentioned, when we’re talking about those coming from France, they’re talking about their persecution. They’re not going to make statements on history themselves because we don’t want to get them in trouble. And if we have the question and answer session, I would like the audience also to abstain from questions that corners those French individuals and putting them on the spot, because they need to fly home and don’t want to be arrested. Not fly home, [chuckling] because they are at home! They don’t want to get arrested the next morning or whenever.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, and I want to echo that. I mean, look, I believe it’s very important to talk about the kind of things that we’re talking about tonight. I think it’s important that we discuss things like this.

 

But I also think it’s very important to ensure that we do so in a productive and polite manner. Talking about this kind of stuff in a way that is disparaging or rude or ridiculous, it not only opens you up for arrest, which is a ridiculous position to put yourself in, but it also demeans the seriousness of the topic and it takes what we do out of an academic light.

 

Now, I’m not a revisionist. I talk about revisionism. I have revisionist guests on, but I’m generally speaking somebody who talks about demography and jewish or Zionist power and the way that jewish power affects the Western world. They’re the topics that I mainly specialise in. I do speak to revisionists. I’m interested in it. But obviously, if you are going to get involved in this, my suggestion is that you deal with it in an academic way for your own safety.

 

And also so the topic is held in the high regard that it deserves to be held in. If you’re there sort of cracking jokes and sharing memes and trying to be as edgy as possible, kind of undermines what people like Germar are doing. And there’s an awful lot of revisionists who have suffered greatly at the hands of the authorities over the years. And you don’t want to demean their suffering and their sacrifices.

 

We’ve got a five dollar Superchat from Mr. Smalls 14, who, regardless of what I just said, said:

 

“Germar, is it true you tried to sell soap in Sacramento with Pastor Eli?”

 

That’s obviously one of those jokes. You don’t have to answer that if you don’t wish. No.

 

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Germar Rudolf: Yeah. The UK’s attitude towards Germany is that Germans have no humour. And you need to understand that the chicken has come to roost. The UK, as a winner of the Second World War, has pushed Germany in a situation where Germans can go to prison for jokes. The shortest German joke, do you know what that is?

 

Mark Collett: No, I don’t.

 

Germar Rudolf: The German word for joke is “witz”. Okay. The shortest German joke is “Ausch-witz”.

 

Mark Collett: [uncertain laughter from Mark]

 

Germar Rudolf: That gets you in prison in Germany.

 

Mark Collett: Indeed, indeed.

 

Germar Rudolf: So Germans don’t have humour because they have to watch their back. And they had to watch their backs for centuries. The Nazis didn’t invent book burning and the current government didn’t invent censorship laws. Germany has been under the stranglehold in the medievals of the Holy Inquisition, the worst of all European countries. So it has been bred into the German and out of the Germans to make certain jokes. Jokes live from the tension of putting things together that are not quite acceptable, talking seriously about them. So you package them. And that is exactly the attempt that this fellow has been doing, pushing the envelope into the not quite acceptable. But making this joke.

 

And that has become a crime in Germany and in borderline areas, has always been. And now in the UK, people are getting in trouble for showing sarcasm, irony and so forth in that context. If and when jokes become punishable by law, you stop laughing! And I take that opportunity to make that clear. These kind of jokes. Make them when you’re sitting in the bar, but don’t make them publicly.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, I want to sort of echo this is a serious point. So I actually believe that when it comes to comedy, when it comes to humour, when it comes to making a joke, really nothing should be off limits.

 

And once you start making certain things off limits, it’s very easy to make anything and everything off limits. So then you get sort of the Edinburgh Fringe voting the joke of the year as “Why did the chicken cross the road?” Because no one’s allowed to actually joke about anything else.

 

And I think it was Jimmy Carr who made the remark, a famous British comedian, who made the remark that:

 

“He’s probably already made the joke that will get him one day cancelled and ruin his career.”

 

And that’s how it is, because we constantly see the mainstream media, liberals, sort of fans of censorship, spending hours, if not days, if not in some cases weeks, trawling through people’s back catalogue of streams, tweets, Facebook posts, searching for something that they can find offensive in order to cancel someone, or worse still, get them arrested. And I find this very interesting because I’ve wrestled with this myself. People might say:

 

“Well, look, Mark, I came to your shows and I’ve now watched 200 hours of them and I found these three things offensive.”

 

And my question would be, if you came to the shows of Britain’s leading ethno-nationalists, and you were looking to find something offensive, is that really my fault? You know, I’m not out there saying it in the street. I’m not shouting it through a megaphone into people’s faces. I’m hosting a show. People come to the show, they know what they’re gonna get when they come to the show. This isn’t something that’s being broadcast to every car and home and workplace in the UK. You come here and you seek this out, knowing that you’re going to get a discussion about things relating to our cause.

 

And I think the people going out of their way to dig things up on people and to, it’s like Germar’s conference. If you were to go there and to record everything that was said and watch it in detail, taking notes, looking to find something offensive, that kind of defeats the object of watching the conference in the first place or attending the conference in the first place, because you’re not going there in good faith and then finding it offensive by accident. You’re going there on purpose to look for a reason to be offended so that you can then report it.

 

And this is one of the widespread problems in the West that people, the people who claim they don’t want to be offended will go out of their way and go to great lengths in order to be offended, or so they can claim that they were offended in order to report people to the authorities, which is just essentially a charter for censorship, allowing this to happen. But I do always ask people to be respectful, to exercise caution, not to use racial stuff.

 

As I said to all my guests, you know, please abide by sensible rules so that we are always the polite academic group that talk about things in a sensible manner.

 

And one thing that impresses me with Germar both times I’ve had him on is the way he can speak so fluently and in such a way that I think it would be impossible for anyone to find him offensive unless they were going out of their way to do. Optics prime gave $5. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“This man is a national treasure. Thank you for your work, good sir.”

 

Well, thank you for that Superchat. Lars Aerback with AE, gave $15.

 

Thank you so much! He said:

 

“A positive story from Denmark today. Our Supreme Court acquitted a man for hosting a site with racist jokes. Old fashioned holocaust jokes amongst them. The case has been through all three courts and has been going for over six years. This is a win for freedom of speech!”

 

Well, that is certainly good news from Denmark, and I hope to see more.

 

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Germar Rudolf: Denmark? Regarding Denmark?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Germar Rudolf: Oh that’s good! Yeah. Denmark has been a stronghold in all those years. Some German holocaust sceptics and historical sceptics actually fled to Denmark and found refuge there over the past four, five, six decades.

 

Mark Collett: And I’d like to say as well, big thank you to Malibu and Coke for gifting 10 subs to the channel.

 

And as I always say, those who accepted the gifted subs. It would mean a great deal to me if you kept them up. You know, $5 a month means very little to most people, but if I had four or five hundred people every month subbing my channel, it would take a lot of weight off my mind at the beginning of every month.

 

And that’s the end of the Superchat so I’m going to bring the stream to a close now. You’ve been a wonderful guest as ever! The advert for the conference has been excellent and again you’ve done most of the heavy lifting tonight and most of the speaking, but is there anything you’d like to say as a final thought before we wrap things up?

 

Germar Rudolf: Not much more than holocaustsummit.com! So the ultimate link will be streaming and that can change any minute depending on what happens, will be posted there there. If you submit your email, you’ll get it also in an email. And I hope we all see you there! And we are going to build a new community that gets stronger by the day!

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you so much!

 

I’d like to thank Germar for being here. He’s a courageous guy. He’s a very good speaker. We have interviewed him in full before. If you want to watch that interview, it is in my previous videos. Go and watch it. It’s well worth watching. It’s a two hour special, that one where we talk about Germar’s personal journey, what he’s been through, the incredible repression he’s faced and his incredible journey in his life. Please do that and also support his event, support his work. He’s a really nice guy. It was really kind of him to come on here tonight and he’s been, as always, the perfect guest.

 

I’d like to remind you all that I will be back on Sunday with the ladies from Return to the Land. That’s three housewives, mothers and home-schoolers from Return to the Land talking about women in nationalism and their roles as mothers and homemakers and educators. So that’ll be an interesting stream. Please join me then 7 PM UK time on Sunday for that. Until then, if you’re out doing activism at the weekend, please be safe, stay within the law and know your rights. And until Sunday, have a great evening, have a great weekend and I’ll see you all again soon.

 

Thank you to Germar, thank you to everyone who donated so generously. And as always, thank you to this wonderful community for supporting us, for supporting these shows and for supporting the good work of my guests. Thank you everyone. I love you all. Have a great weekend. Good night.

 

 

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Mark Collett
1 day ago
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Valkyria81
1 day ago
88

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The Bee Sting
1 day ago
Wooden doors?

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Alice1488
1 day ago
Watching replay. I’ve never heard this brave intelligent man speak before.

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Sir Trancealot
1 day ago
14

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Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
14 Night all!

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@Aunt-Sally
1 day ago
Thank you Mark and Germar

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@noreplacement
1 day ago
Thank you Germar

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@noreplacement
1 day ago
One day Mark and Laura will be presenting a day time TV show. With guests like Monika Scheafer

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yes dear
1 day ago
2mm glass and a wooden door, no in/out pipes.

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@RonP1
1 day ago(edited)
This HMD is getting more unbearable with each year that passes. For starters, they start talking about it in the media a week or two before the actual day, that’s without all the other propaganda being inflicted on the public all year long. What a sick world we live in where a vile group, with the help of its puppets, think it is their God-given right to teach young minds of British children a load of old BS.
As Arnold Leese said..
“Fascism holds that education up to 14 is a half-measure with attendant
evils nearly as great as its benefits. It produces a population which can
read but which has not learned to think, and is accordingly open to every
kind of evil suggestion or lie, readily disseminated in print.”
Less

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@noreplacement
1 day ago
Britons will not have humour for much longer. Just look at the liberal boneheads we have for “so called” comedians.

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@tuer
1 day ago
the jews ethnically replacing their liberators in europe and america should be the eye opener gaza is

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@Evola19
15 hours ago
That is a misunderstanding of history – the jews have been at war with Europeans their entire existence. WWII was a gentile uprising put down by other gentiles – no jews were “liberated” from anything, they won WWII and were still surrounded white Europeans whom they hate. Not for much longer though.

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yes dear
1 day ago
God Bless Kamerades x

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@BritishGammon
1 day ago
Sophie Duker can “joke” about killing White folks on the BBC and the police took no action

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yes dear
1 day ago
Jailed for physically explaining how high his dog could jump!

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yes dear
1 day ago
holes in the roof and chimney built after surrender

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@nationless8nationalist
12 hours ago
Just figure all subscriptions giving a mere 12 dollars a year. 192000 dollars in a year. Do not get frustrated and be overwelled. We can help our activists.

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jm
20 hours ago
Problem: if you order a book when you live in EU, you have to pay a lot in douane rights -I ordered a book from Antilope Hill from Irving en had tot pay MORE in charges and taxes than the book itself…

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yes dear
1 day ago
One People

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Echo_Harp
1 day ago
Thanks.

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Valkyria81
1 day ago
hi from denmark

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yes dear
1 day ago
Im looking forward to wearing my Flecktarn next week

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Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
“I said to him, ‘Simon, you are telling a lie,’”

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yes dear
1 day ago
God Bless Ursula x

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Skyler Durden
11 hours ago
I have Germar’s encyclopedia.

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Through it, not around it
13 hours ago
WTF is Germar promoting FTJMedia? That site is cringy basement soy larper central. It is the complete antithesis of Germar and represents everything he tries to distance himself from.

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@nationless8nationalist
1 day ago
just missed it

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Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@ForKamerade
wot???

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yes dear
1 day ago
British gammon, Turncoat Dlive Traitor lol

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Valkyria81
1 day ago
ive just found out. and im out… so sad im beeing missing this

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Echo_Harp
1 day ago
“Found 3 things of offensive stuff” sounds like a joke in its own…

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yes dear
1 day ago
Not long Enough Valk!

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Valkyria81
1 day ago
how long do u continue this chat tonight?

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yes dear
1 day ago
\0

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Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@BritishGammon
you can say anything as long as you can make the cops run away showing up at your house.

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Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@ForKamerade
o/

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yes dear
1 day ago
Thanks Merkal, Congratulations Kalugi

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yes dear
1 day ago
Only in Deutschland 2026!

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@noreplacement
1 day ago
The state can easily spin revisionism into anything they want

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yes dear
1 day ago
Will look, Thank you

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Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
https://www.timesofisrael.com/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians/

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yes dear
1 day ago
Scientific & Engineering Impossibility

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yes dear
1 day ago
How dare you question history, Its got Laws protecting it Because Truth needs Laws or you go straight to the Gulag Goy

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@Aunt-Sally
1 day ago
Good evening folks

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Sir Trancealot
1 day ago
Evening gents

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Secure the future of our people
1 day ago

@SublimeBraid
gassing 6 million jews and fighting a two front war at the same time?

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Tomigun
19 hours ago
They decoded the Germans’ Enigma in 1941, yet didn’t intercept ANY message about a “holocaust” or “final solution” carried out.

SublimeBraid
1 day ago
the risks of multitasking, lol

yes dear
1 day ago
Dragged out, “One by One” LOL

danzimmons
1 day ago
it’s all of them.

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
odysee chat ded?

Secure the future of our people
1 day ago
evening all

@Aunt-Sally
1 day ago
I don’t blame his wife, they’d probably take their child away somehow

yes dear
1 day ago
test

yes dear
1 day ago
LOL

yes dear
1 day ago
110,000 at most

yes dear
1 day ago
Guten Abend Kamerades!

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@nationless8nationalist
13 hours ago
thank you comrade.

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4 years ago
Patriot Gus
Please contact Gus Stefanis Leader of the Canadian Nationalist Party.

4 years ago
ShanRiHa
Zundel is undoubtedly a fantastic German who was dedicated to telling the truth about these jews and what they’ve deliberately done to Germany and its people. This relentless attack upon Ernst because of his honesty and commitment to exposing the truth about these jews and what they did to the German people and for this they’ve attacked him using jewish Liars like Lipsdat etc to attempt to defame and ridicule him in the Courts etc. Ernst has shown us all what these evil jews have done and are still doing to this day and for that he has earned the respect of many. Vale Ernst Zundel.
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Ernst Zundel: Ernst Christoph Friedrich Zundel being interviewed by John Reynolds, former Member of Parliament of Canada, on CJOR radio in Vancouver, August, 78.

 

Radio Host: Oh, hello, it’s John Reynolds, CJOR. Yes, standby please.

 

Hello?

 

Ernst Zundel: Hello.

 

Radio Host: Yes, we’ll be going on in about one minute. What is samizdat?

 

Ernst Zundel: Samizdat is a Russian word and it means to be self published in the underground.

 

Radio Host: Okay, I’ll ask you that.

 

Ernst Zundel: Thank you.

 

Radio Host: Do you also call yourself. Is that the only name you use? Or you call yourself the Nazi Party of Canada or anything?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, no, no, no! We are strictly only publishing books.

 

Radio Host: Okay. You don’t have any organization, political movement at all?

 

Ernst Zundel: No.

 

Radio Host: Okay.

 

Ernst Zundel: However, I’m German and I was responsible for leading the demonstrations against the movie Holocaust.

 

Radio Host: Okay.

 

Ernst Zundel: It is not that we are political, Mr. Reynolds.

 

Radio Host: Okay, hang on a second. I’ll do an introduction, then we come back about a minute after this. You’ll hear it on this tape. Beep.

 

02 Some Commentary by Zundel on the Nature of Commercial Radio and Its Effects on Listeners

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Ernst Zundel: At this stage, it is important for our European listeners to understand that in North America, radio stations, most radio stations are privately owned and that they live off radio commercial advertisements. So every once in a while the announcer will be interjecting and stopping for exactly such commercials. And it is during those commercials that I might come in with some explanations of what was being said, the importance of it and so on. And it might be interesting just to leave a few words of those commercials in there for our European listeners so that they can get an idea of the mentality and what shapes the mentality of the North American and what the North American psyche is constantly being subjected to and why Americans and Canadians maybe think the way that they think.

 

Radio Host: Hi.

 

Ernst Zundel: Hello.

 

Radio Host: If suddenly you don’t hear the feed on the line, hang up, we’ll call you right back. Okay? Just in case something happens.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay. If I do not hear the feedback, then I’ll hang up.

 

Radio Host: Yeah, if you don’t when you’re on hold, if you don’t hear the show right, then hang up right away and we’ll call you back.

 

Ernst Zundel: Thank you very much.

 

03 Zundel’s Pamphlet Promoting Books and Tapes About UFOs, the Third Reich

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Radio Host: Okay. The present airport temperature 14 degrees. At 8:31 it’s 18 degrees at CJR in the Grosvenor Hot Morning Report. I’m Maury Heskit. Have a good day!

 

Next to Reynolds Reports.

 

Good morning. The other day I received a pamphlet in the mail called What’s New at Samizat? It’s got pictures of Nazi swastikas on it. It’s got UFOs that asks questions about UFOs, are they real? It talks about were Hitler and Eva Braun on board, they may be still alive? It tells you can get tapes that you can listen to on the way to work in the morning. Battle songs and marches of the Third Reich. Very strange pamphlet. The gentleman who is an author of a book called UFO and Nazis A Secret Weapon, Christoph Friedrich is with us this morning. He’s on the phone line from Toronto. We’re going to talk to him about this pamphlet and some of the other books he publishes right after these messages.

 

Ernst Zundel: Again, please pay attention to what Mr. Reynolds has been saying.

 

The one thing that immediately grabbed his attention were the Nazi swastikas, as he calls them, and also some of the things that we are advertising in conjunction with UFOs. Therein lies the secret. He would never have called me if our advertisement had looked any different. Had it been a straightforward UFO advertisement, I doubt whether he would have called. But it was the combination of swastika and UFOs that got him to call us and we continue to listen to him now.

 

04 The Toronto Sun Calls Zundel a Fanatic, a Neo-Nazi

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Radio Host: Okay, what is Samizdat all about? The Toronto Sun calls you a fanatic, a neo-Nazi.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, one of the writers of the Toronto Sun does, yes, in a kind of a slanderous article that is kind of slippery that you can hardly sue him, or you would spend about $12,000 to sue him.

 

However, as to your question, what samizdat is or what samizdat means. Samistat is a Russian word and it simply means that all the material by samizdat is self produced, self written and published in the underground.

 

In other words, Sharansky, Solzhenitsyn, they are Russian samizdat authors. And I found to my complete surprise, in Canada, in the United States, in Western Europe, in the Western world, we have our Sharanski and our Solzhenitsyns. And I happen to believe that I am a Canadian Solzhenitsyn!

 

Radio Host: You really believe that?

 

06 Demand for Zundel’s Publications, Including the Book, the Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions

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Ernst Zundel: I certainly do and I can prove it to you. We have suppression of new software, all kinds of intellectual thoughts in this country. We have censorship, not by a government censor, but by self-chosen and self imposed censorship in newspapers due to pressures from advertisers, certain business groups, ethnic groups, labor groups and so on. And I have been in the media field and lecturing, writing for the last, 20 years in my life in Canada. And I can assure you that we have a very definite system of censorship in this country.

 

Radio Host: Okay, you were born in Germany.

 

Ernst Zundel: I was born in Germany, lived half my life over there, and now I have lived exactly half my life over here. I came here when I was 19.

 

[06:27]

 

Radio Host:

 

“And restricted by government agencies to a small group of special authorized listeners. Samizdat that now makes these vital moments of history available to you.”

 

Are you back there?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

 

Radio Host: Okay. How did you get all these documents that you tell us that our allied governments are not allowing the rest of the people to hear? How did you get them? Why are you being allowed to publish them and nobody else?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, it’s not a matter of being allowed. So far I have had several visits by threatening people that I should stop this stuff. I’ve been kicked out of magazines because I advertise our books. But why am I allowed? Because I go back to the original German sources. I have made a fairly good amount of money in Canada and I’m independently well off. I have traveled the world and I have searched out the Germans who were involved in World War II on these projects. I’ve got original blueprints.

 

Radio Host: But doesn’t that prove that your case? You’re saying there’s censorship and this stuff is not being allowed to be shown. Isn’t it really a case of who really cares? Who wants to hear this stuff?

 

06 Demand for Zundel’s Publications, Including the Book, the Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions

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Ernst Zundel: Well, the 12,000 people, after they were able, through some circuitous means, in fact out through my advertising efforts, underground advertising efforts, hand bills and so on, they were very much in favor of reading it. And I have got several hundred letters by people totally unsolicited who said they just love to read this stuff. They’re waiting for my next books. I put out a second book called The Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions that has sold already in the second edition. And there’s the German translation out of it. That’s selling briskly. The first book is the German edition that’s selling briskly. There’s a Spanish edition in the works and an Italian edition and the French edition.

 

08 The Holocaust Movie and Anti-German Programs Are Hate Propaganda

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Radio Host: Surely there’s probably always some people that might want to buy some radical material on one end of the spectrum or the other. But aren’t you really creating, it really looks to me here like you’re creating a whole company based on a hatred. A hatred of jews!

 

Ernst Zundel: A hatred of what? Where do I hate jews? The jews don’t figure. You see, Mr. Reynolds, that’s the problem with you Anglos. You know, you accuse the Germans of having a hangup over the jews. In our thinking, …

 

Radio Host: I don’t accuse the Germans of having a hangup with jews. I accused you of it.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, basing on what? Is there one word about jews in my pamphlet?

 

Radio Host: No, he’s very careful that there aren’t any.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, that’s the point. Because you people, maybe when you were MP up in Ottawa had to stifle freedom of expression through a Bill called Hate Bill.

 

Radio Host: Oh, I never stifled anybody. Why did you pick at the movie, Holocaust?

 

08 The Holocaust Movie and Anti-German Programs Are Hate Propaganda

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Ernst Zundel: Because it’s nothing but lies! Zionist propaganda for profit. It’s that hate propaganda!

 

If you want to see hate propaganda piped into people’s homes, that was hate propaganda on a massive scale! And Mr. Reynolds, I am very sad to say that not one single nice noble Canadian came to our defense. No official government body. That after all, we Germans do enjoy, I think, some citizenship privileges which is equality in front of the law. We don’t get it! Every single night you can get anti-German programs on television or radio. What is this?

 

Radio Host: Well, certainly you would be allowed to your own movies if you wanted to and put that on.

 

Ernst Zundel: But then I’m saying to you, then the censorship comes in that we can’t advertise them, that movie houses won’t carry it. That’s the freedom. That’s what I mean to you. In the Soviet Union we have got the KGB putting Sharansky into jail. In Canada, what do we have? We have the self imposed censorship of certain ethnic groups who wield a tremendous amount of power here!

 

Radio Host: Are you saying that most of the things that were in the movie Holocaust didn’t happen?

 

Ernst Zundel: They were lies, outright lies! And that’s why they didn’t make it a documentary, but they called it a “docudrama” therein lies legalistic tricks!

 

Radio Host: What parts of it were lies? Are you trying to tell me that there were not a bunch of, millions of jews killed?

 

Ernst Zundel: No 6 million jews! That’s the basic point. Were ever murdered in Germany just for being jews.

 

Radio Host: Say that again.

 

09 No Six Million Jews – the Red Cross Report

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Ernst Zundel: No 6 million jews were ever murdered in Germany!

 

Radio Host: How many?

 

Ernst Zundel: Murdered? Very few. Died? Maybe 350,000 maximum. I have in front of me the Red Cross Report put out by the International Red Cross in Geneva in 1947. Now you can write to the Red Cross in Geneva and get that same report. It’s an official report of the Red Cross, into the concentration camps of World War II on the German side. There is not one single gas chamber that they found.

 

Radio Host: What about Poland, some of the other countries?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, are you asking about Auschwitz, for instance? Because Auschwitz was in Poland.

 

Radio Host: Yeah.

 

Ernst Zundel: The United States, Air Force overflew the concentration camp of Auschwitz dozens of time. Now we know that today from released Air Force documents. They never found one single thing resembling a gas chamber. The United States, Air Force never bombed any gas chambers. You know, World War II aerial photography was so good that the British were able to take out the German V1 bases before they were even built and operational.

 

Now, if they found gas chambers and the American jewish community was always very strong in favor with President Roosevelt, they could have wiped out those gas chambers. Nothing flat! But they didn’t do it because they were not there. It is Zionist propaganda to blackmail the German people and to cow the rest of the world into their voracious demands!

 

Germany is not the way it is portrayed in the world. I am German. I was raised in Germany. I didn’t see one single proper German in that [word unclear] Holocaust!

 

[11:45]

 

 

10 There Were No Gas Chambers Anywhere in Germany!

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Radio Host: Are you trying to tell us that there were no gas chambers?

 

Ernst Zundel: There were no gas chambers anywhere in Germany!

 

Radio Host: What about anywhere where the German people, where the Nazis controlled the power?

 

Ernst Zundel: No such thing! When you, if you know the gas chambers, what they were delousing things, but they were certainly not used to gas people.

 

Radio Host: [words unclear]

 

Ernst Zundel: No, they were not. There’s a large body of evidence, suppressed again and censored in the usual Canadian and North American way, that states very clearly that there were no gas chmbers. We have a Professor of Northwestern University, Professor Butz has just written a 600 page study in which he comes to the very same conclusion. They have trials in Israel in which Adolf Eichmann was tried. The entire testimony of Adolf Eichmann, not one single time mentions a specific number of jews killed. Mr. Reynolds, we have had stories out of Europe of 11 million jews killed! Nine million jews killed! Six million jews killed!

 

The Red Cross says they never saw any gas chambers. The Germans statistically have a Red Cross report that talks about all the people died in World War II on all sides. And for the German nation there is 9 million people, including its 358,000 jews who died in German concentration camps.

 

Radio Host: Gotta go for a break. 685-9181’s our number. 685-9181. If you’d like to speak to Christoph Friedrich from Toronto, the head of Samizdat, give us a call, 685-9181. We’ll be right back with him after these messages. Hang on. I won’t put you on hold this time. I don’t know what happened last night.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, I thought we were through.

 

Radio Host: Oh, did you? You hung up?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I did. I’m sorry, I had no idea what the format of the show was going to be.

 

Radio Host: Oh, no, thank you. Hang on, we’ll get back and we’ll take a couple of calls. I’ll put you on hold here.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, thank you.

 

11 Zundel’s Commentary on the Conversation So Far

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Ernst Zundel: We’re hardly into the program and what do we see? This man, a former Member of Parliament, Federal Parliament, obviously not a stupid man and certainly above average in intelligence. Otherwise he wouldn’t do the kind of work that he is doing. This Canadian called 5,000 km across the continent to a guy called Ernst Zundel to talk to him about flying saucers. Fascinated, attracted like a moth to the light by this combination of swastika, flying saucers, Third Reich, speeches of the Third Reich leaders which we advertise in our pamphlet. He only was cursorily interested in the flying saucer issue. Once in a while he comes back to it, touches upon it.

 

But basically what irks and bothers this man is all the stuff that I’m bringing out on this topic. Let’s return to him and listen to what he has to say.

 

Radio Host: Okay, John Reynolds back with Christoph Friedrich from Toronto. Are you still there?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I am.

 

Radio Host: Okay, we’ve got some callers that want to speak to you. We’ll get to them in just a second. I just want to warn everybody because I’m sure, Mr. Friedrich, there’s going to be some people who want to yell and scream at you, but we won’t put up with that if you want to talk sensibly, talk to Mr. Friedrich. If you agree or disagree with, and I hope nobody will yell at either side of us, have to cut you off because nobody can understand people yelling, go ahead.

 

12 Female Caller Tells Zundel to “Lay Down and Die!”

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Caller 1 (female): I couldn’t hear what he’s been saying recently. However, I have a statement here and I’d like to continue with it. It’ll take about 10 minutes.

 

Radio Host: You have to be quick because we’re going for the news. Go ahead.

 

Caller 1 (female): How dare do the [words unclear] come in now and [words unclear] this very many times? Do they think we’ve forgotten the horrors committed against the European continent and their plans to conquer the world?

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh dear!

 

Caller 1 (female): Who was the top spy in the USA, Reinhard Heindrich [sp], working with the American First Ambassador Hotel in New York with ITT, General Motors, Ford Company, Texas Oil, Standard Oil and defied the Neutrality Act by shipping supplies to South America and on to Germany. The then President Roosevelt, drafting his [word unclear], fearing impeachment, dared not make public firsthand information from William Stevenson, a Winnipeg born Canadian who headed the Secret Service in Britain. He’s the man called Intrepid. Germany was close to producing the A bomb and thousands of men and women sacrificed their lives to gather information that later helped to change all. If it had not been for Churchill, Roosevelt and Hitler, plus the Russian invasion, you might have won, but you didn’t! Lay down and die!

 

Ernst Zundel: [chuckling] Talking about hate. Was that love, Mr. Reynolds?

 

Radio Host: Well, you see, that’s what I was trying to tell you. I think what you do sometimes generates that kind of hate when you try to bring back some of the things the Nazis did during the Second World War.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, I want to tell you something that’s entirely the typical Canadian and North American attitude. You people think that you have a monopoly of what is truth and what is history. What you in effect have is your own World War II propaganda parading as history!

 

Now, when we Germans stand up and ever so mildly and meekly ask for equal time, never get number one, equal time. I have to send out a flamboyant pamphlet and I have to demonstrate, to denigrate myself, to demonstrate in front of newspaper offices, human rights commissions and so on, because we are not even getting equal rights and equal treatment in front of the law.

 

[17:48]

 

Radio Host: Well, it will be interesting to see if any of our German friends in Vancouver fall out because I’ve talked to a number of them who don’t feel exactly the way you do. Go ahead.

 

Caller 2 (female): Oh, good morning. This is the first time I’ve done this. I’m a little nervous, but I am so angry because listening to that voice in the radio, it brings it all back. And this is a tragedy of the German people. This man is talking in arrogance. He is talking from a prideful position, saying that we should tolerate him, that we should put up with him when he’s caused millions of people to [word unclear]. This whole thing is going to continue. The German people, unfortunately, are going to have to suffer for several generations, as long as my generation is alive. Who can remember being bombed in the UK you can remember the first pictures of the concentration camps being opened when there were children. You can remember everything about the war.

 

13 Camps for Japanese, Germans and Italians in Canada, America and Britain

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Ernst Zundel: Okay, may I come in here, please? For equal time.

 

First of all, the United States, England and Canada bombed the living daylights out of Germany, killing 3 million Germans! 30,000 Englishmen were hurt, didn’t die, but were hurt in World War II bombing of England. So the score is certainly far out of proportion. That’s number one.

 

Number two, you had concentration camps in Canada in which you put innocent Japanese, robbed them of their property. And you also put Germans in concentration camps and Italians in concentration camps. You had the same in the United States.

 

Now we were in Germany. We are a dictatorship. You were a Democratic country. What did you, madam, do in England when you were in England at that time about those imprisoned in English concentration camps under the 18B regulation.

 

Radio Host: Okay, listen, let’s go for the 9 o’ clock news. We’re right back with Christoph Friedrich after the 9 o’ clock news. CJOR. Thanks for your call.

 

Caller 2 (female): Thank you. I was just child at the time. I couldn’t do anything.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, so was I. But now we can do something.

 

Caller 2 (female): No, we’re not.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, we can prevent the same thing from happening again by speaking the truth!

 

Radio Host: Okay, thanks. Listen, we’ll call you back in five minutes, okay?

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, thank you.

 

Radio Host: Make sure you don’t use your line.

 

Ernst Zundel: No. Okay, I can’t help incoming calls.

 

[break]

 

Ernst Zundel: Hello.

 

Radio Host: Yes, I got you. Okay, I’ll come back in about 30 seconds.

 

Ernst Zundel: It is interesting that during the next 30 seconds I could not monitor what he was saying. So I have absolutely no idea if he was going to give me some kind of a bad introduction or bad mouthing me or telling the listeners I was some kind of a nut case. That’s a very interesting point. Let’s return to the program.

 

[break]

 

14 Why Don’t You Use Your Real Name?

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Radio Host: Tom Reynolds back and on the phone lines Ronald Christoph Friedrich out of Samizda. Are you the president of Samizda?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I own it lock stock and barrel.

 

Radio Host: You own it. It’s no shareholders. It’s one man. Listen, somebody phoned me yesterday and told me that your real name is Ernst Zundel, that Christoph Friedrich are your two middle names.

 

Ernst Zundel: That’s right.

 

Radio Host: Why do you use those as your name for publishing?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, because I run a fairly successful two other businesses. And when I started out, this Samizda thing, it was not flying saucer strictly. And you have to admit it’s a somewhat [word unclear] subject and people are leery of dealing with nuts. So I thought I might get myself a little protection. It’s nothing illegal. Everybody in the arts and in writing has nom de plumes, you know. It’s a perfectly natural and normal occurrence.

 

Radio Host: Let me ask you another question before we go back to the callers. You talk about censorship in Canada and the United States. Would you be allowed to do what you’re doing with your talking about your UFOs about Hitler, about the Nazis, if you were living in Germany today?

 

15 West Germany and East Germany Are Dictatorships

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Ernst Zundel: No, because West Germany and East Germany are the most horrific dictatorships. They make Hitler pale into insignificance!

 

Radio Host: Why would you say West Germany is a dictatorship? They have elections. The German people elect all the people that go into their legislature.

 

Ernst Zundel: Because, number one, it’s a matter of having no choice. In West Germany, the Allies have riddled Germany with spy networks and we have a strictly political police and a political judiciary in Germany. The nation’s element which carries the German State for 13 years, is completely outlawed, has been killed, is rotting in jails.

 

Consequently, what we have in Germany are quislings. We have in West Germany, West German, pro-American, pro-British, pro-French, pro-Canadian quislings. And in East Germany we have pro-communist, pro-Russian quislings. Germany is occupied country! It is not independent. The people who have been speaking for Germany are executive organs of the occupying powers.

 

16 Do You Believe in the White Superiority?

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Radio Host: One final question before we go back to the calls. Do you believe in the White superiority?

 

Ernst Zundel: No. No.

 

Radio Host: You are not [word unclear] with leader of the Nazi party in the United States then?

 

Ernst Zundel: He’s a jew!

 

Radio Host: Yes, I know that.

 

[22:43]

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, fine. Now if you have a jewish agent, he might be a jewish hero in Nazi uniform if he brings out lines like that that conform with the Hollywood image which Hollywood has created about National Socialism and about Germany, that’s one thing. Hitler in all of the 800 pages of Mein Kunk not once mentioned the word Aryan “superiority” or “master race” or stuff like that! This is strictly Anglo-jewish propaganda! It is not true.

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

Caller 1 (female): Hi John. I was born after the war, so this is really all history thinking, but I don’t feel any angry towards this guest. But I am kind of fascinated with him. Fascinated in the sense that I think he’s really taking us for a really good ride. I think he’s really capitalizing on our ignorance, on all these things and all that. But it kind of frightens me too in the other sense because people are angry and not these kind of things get stirred up.

 

Radio Host: That’s a very good question though. Christoph Friedrich, are you just really capitalizing on the Holocaust and other things that are happening to make yourself some more money?

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds? I don’t need to make more money. What I’m telling you is that I am now 39 years old. I’ve got children born by a Canadian mother going through the Canadian school system that are being brainwashed with lies and nothing but lies which will disarm them in any future conflict that we are seeing coming up on the horizon! The western world is in a life and death struggle and doesn’t realize it, because it is looking constantly over its shoulder flailing a dead horse called Nazism while there are Marxists in the highest places in government, the military, the media in this lovely land! That is my point!

 

Caller 1 (female): But sir, you must think we’re really fools because all these things have been past for so many years.

 

17 Problems with Canada and Its Immigration Policy

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Ernst Zundel: You are asses because you allow non-subversives and certainly incapable people of running the affairs of this nation. Canada is a paradise, and it could be a paradise. And it was almost a paradise when I came to these shores. What we have now is our old people robbed of their pensions. We have got riots in jails, we have got kidnappings, we have got muggings. We have got murders on a scale that is unprecedented before. If you were such intelligent people and exercising your duties of citizenship properly, we could not get the kind of rotten leadership we are getting!

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, sir, I just don’t take you very seriously.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, that’s okay. I don’t take you very seriously either.

 

Radio Host: Christoph Friedrich one of the reasons we’ve got these problems because of our immigration policy.

 

Ernst Zundel: Certainly, yes!

 

Radio Host: What should we do about our immigration policy?

 

Ernst Zundel: I was the only person in 1968 that appeared in front of the Parliamentary committee and the Senate committee on immigration and said:

 

“For God’s sake, do not change the immigration policy in this country or your children will curse you!”

 

Mr. Reynolds, what has happened is not the children are cursing the politicians of that 1968 Parliament. Their wives, their mothers, their grandmothers, their uncles and their hands are cursing them!

 

Radio Host: What should we do with our immigration policy in Canada?

 

Ernst Zundel: Don’t import problems!

 

Radio Host: Are you saying what types of people are the problem and what countries do they come from?

 

Ernst Zundel: Ask any police official. Who are being picked up for, numerically speaking, for dope peddling, pimping, distribution sniffing and stuff like that.

 

Radio Host: Are you talking about the blacks and the yellow people that are coming in?

 

Ernst Zundel: You know, that’s a loaded question.

 

Radio Host: I’m sure it is.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, I’m saying to you that we didn’t have it before, but certainly we now have it. Does that answer the question fairly?

 

Radio Host: More White immigration from England, Germany and the other such as that?

 

Ernst Zundel: Certainly.

 

Radio Host: Okay, go ahead.

 

Caller 4 (male): Mr. Frederick?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah?

 

18 Have You Ever Been to Auschwitz?

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Radio Host: Have you ever been to Auschwitz?

 

Ernst Zundel: Pardon me?

 

Radio Host: Have you ever visited Auschwitz concentration camp?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, but I’ve entered Dahau. I don’t need to go to have a piece of fictitious history paraded in front of my eyes.

 

Radio Host: I have visited Auschwitz and the place where it is said that the gas chambers were, which is right beside the incinerators.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

 

Caller 4 (male): Is right in the middle of the camp. You say, if the British believed there were gas chambers, they would have bombed them.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

 

Caller 4 (male): With all the tens of thousands of inmates in Auschwitz, it would have been another “Holocaust”. Tens of thousands of prisoners who would have died through the bombing.

 

19 Red Cross Report on German Concentration Camps

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Ernst Zundel: Okay, may I respond to that? I have in front of me the Red Cross Report, page 92. That’s an official document. No Germans participated in writing it. It is strictly based on the work done by the International Committee of the Red Cross, which by the way went to see every concentration camp in Germany and had even delegates living within some concentration camps. Now I put it to you, if the Germans had something to hide, they would certainly not allow number one to visit, number two, allow delegates to live there.

 

Now, the Russians don’t allow Red Cross delegates to go and visit their concentration camps, but the Germans did!

 

Now, on page 92 it says that the confidence man, the man of Kofiyas [sp], is the French reporter that I’m looking at was a British commando who was captured by the Germans and he was in Auschwitz. The Red Cross delegate asks him:

 

“What are these rumors about Sal Didush, meaning shower bars?”

 

And he said:

 

“They are nothing but rumors. We have been unable to verify that there were such things.”

 

Now, the concentration camp of was in September 44. Shortly thereafter, the concentration camp of Auschwitz was closed and the German razed it to the ground! Every single German concentration camp in the east that the Germans abandoned was razed to the ground! So any structure that you see there, built today was built after the war! So much for your historical accuracy.

 

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20 Belsen and the Typhus Epidemic and the Germans Told to Protect the Camp Until the British Arrived

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Radio Host: And you say the same for Belsen?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, I can explain to you Belsen very easily.

 

Radio Host: That was raised to the ground also?

 

Ernst Zundel: No. That was not in the East. If you were to listen and hear what I’m saying, you could get someplace in the story. Belsen is in central Germany.

 

Now, the commander of Belsen was forced to take up, because of the situation of the war, 20,000 more prisoners than the camp was designed for. Now typhus broke out because Medicines and food couldn’t get to the camp because England and America destroyed the entire German railroad system in Operation Thunderclap, which knocked out 9,000 German railroads stations and railroad junctions. Now the system of transportation and food supply broke down. Food rations had to be cut. Belsen suffered a typhus epidemic. And the German commander said in radioing to the International Red Cross in Geneva:

 

“We have this situation here. If the war comes to our camp and these prisoners go out into the land, they will infect the occupying army, namely Montgomery’s army, and also the whole population of Europe. What should we do?”

 

And the British commander and the German commander agreed that the German SS guards were to go and protect the camp and keep it while the war raged around it. And when the war was just about over in this area, the British came and they took over the camp. And in typical English, World War II fashion, they grabbed the guys who had agreed to stay behind and they, number one, had them beaten up and the torture of the guards and the story of how you Anglos at the end of World War II got your lovely show trials and stuff like that. That’s another kettle of fish.

 

Radio Host: Now you saying, … Gotta go for a break. I have to let some other callers. Thanks for your call. 685-9181’s number. We’ll be right back after these messages. Back in about a minute. I won’t put you on hold just in case we get cut off.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay. Fine, thank you.

 

Radio Host: How’s the weather in Toronto?

 

Ernst Zundel: It’s a beautiful day, Mr. Reynolds. It’s a beautiful day. I wish I could talk to you about something simple like flying saucers. But I want to thank you for giving me the opportunity, believe me. I do appreciate it, believe me. There are far too few people in the Western world today like yourself.

 

21 Zundel’s Advice Re Dealing with Radio Station Hosts

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[Zundel’s commentary]

 

Ernst Zundel: Now a very important lesson to be learned. Always congratulate your host. Always be deferential to him and be kind to him. Never bully him and never embarrass him! Always leave him a way out, because he too has a boss. He too has a station owner, station manager, program manager, advertisers. Don’t burn the bridges behind him unless you want to destroy him. And those cases ought to be very few. Always behave in such a way, even if you have to give a point or two, that you are the nice person, that you are the friendly one and a well mannered one. You don’t have to be mealy mouthed. Be hard and be soft. [chuckling] What I mean is be gentle and be kind. It has paid for me tremendous dividends. And time and again I’ve been told by moderators of radio and TV, the reason why they had me back on was because I always allowed them a way out with their station managers.

 

Now let us rejoin the program and carry on with the interview.

 

[Interview continues]

 

22 Germans Innocent of the Alleged Crime of Killing Six Million Jews

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Radio Host: John Reynolds back with Christoph Friedrich, the head of Samizdat out of Toronto. Mr. Friedrich, let me ask you a question. You mainly deal in other than things with the records and the tapes about German music and so forth, but UFOs, why would [n’t] you stick to UFOs, and stay away from the Nazi angle?

 

Ernst Zundel: Because it’s a matter upon which our civilization fails or survives!

 

Radio Host: Explain that.

 

Ernst Zundel: The German, supposed German guilt for World War II has taken the militarily, economically, politically strongest nation in the heart of Europe which after all is the heart of our culture and has made it the [word unclear]. We are the outcast today. You have had no German input of any significance since the end of World War II.

 

Mr. Reynolds, we have had 138 wars since 1945.

 

Radio Host: In British Columbia the largest ethnic group is German.

 

Ernst Zundel: Of course.

 

Radio Host: They’re top citizens. They’re leaders in business. This situation with the “Holocaust”, and what you’re trying to promote is passe with a lot of people. Jewish families involved in the war. German families involved in war that maybe have some guilt, have some hard feelings. But the young people today don’t have those types of feelings.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds. That’s exactly my point. Why can we not discuss it sensibly? And why can we only judge it from the Jewish-Anglo, jewish angle?

 

Radio Host: What talk about it all?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, we can’t do that, Mr. Reynolds. Why should German people collectively bear the [word unclear] and individually the stigma of coming from a group of people that have murdered 6 million people, if they are innocent of the crime, why should we? We are not, …

 

Radio Host: Number one, that I don’t think is a stigma. The German people living in this country. Number two, there was a crime there.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, was Dresden not a crime? Was Hamburg not a crime? Was Nagasaki not a crime?

 

[34:48]

 

Radio Host: That’s a crime.

 

23 Was the Canadian Concentration Camps Not a Crime?

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Ernst Zundel: Was the Canadian concentration camps not a crime? You see, even, …

 

Radio Host: I agree with you. The way we treated the Japanese in the Second World War was a crime.

 

But it’s well talked about.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, but no restitution has been made, and to put it in proper perspective. You see, we have to first heal the wounds of the old before we can start anew. Humanity is like an organic body. If you have a cancer growing in one area, the body is sick, you see? And I’m saying to you, I want the wounds of World War II healed properly, not festering. And all those people who put on the Holocaust movie that was seen in 70 million American homes at one and the same time. And it was full of lies! ! Mr. Reynolds, they are the hatemongers! I tried to have that movie stop before it started. I am the nice guy! The others are the aggressors in this thing.

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

Caller (male): Mr. Friedrich. How old are you?

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m 39.

 

Caller (male): So you were what? About six years old when the war ended?

 

Ernst Zundel: That’s right.

 

Caller (male): Do you really have no firsthand knowledge of what went on?

 

Ernst Zundel: My dear man, I have firsthand knowledge of being frightened like a dog by bombs falling on our head, by our house collapsing around us. By my mother being chased by American and Algerian invading troops. By the cruelty of your occupation, by the starvation. Don’t come unto me with honeyed words and say I have no recollection of the war. I do!

 

Caller (male): I happen to be German too. I came from there.

 

Ernst Zundel: Hey, that’s nice.

 

Caller (male): And I happen to be a lot older than you are.

 

Ernst Zundel: Good.

 

Caller (male): I saw it was, …

 

Ernst Zundel: It doesn’t make you necessarily wiser or more knowledgeable, though.

 

Caller (male): I’m not saying that I’m wiser, but you know, when I’m listening to you, I can understand, you profess to represent what German people think or say.

 

Ernst Zundel: I never did. I never did!

 

Caller (male): You don’t?

 

Ernst Zundel: I say what some German people think, those who think and not those who think they think.

 

Caller (male): I’m glad to hear that. Because, …

 

Ernst Zundel: You see, you don’t think, you just think you think.

 

Caller (male): I can quite see if somebody listens to you, then you just get turned off. If that is what comes out of Germany. Good God! You know, you’re a nut!

 

Ernst Zundel: What would you like to come out of Germany? Tell me! More reparations for crimes we didn’t commit? More flagellating, more self incriminating for things we didn’t do?

 

24 Caller Recounts Seeing Ss Shot People

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Caller (male): All right. I happened to be in Germany and outside of Germany during those years and I have seen what was going on.

 

Ernst Zundel: You were outside those years in Germany, is that it?

 

Caller (male): Let me finish, please. Just don’t butt in all the time!

 

Ernst Zundel: No, look, get your story straight. Were you in Germany at that time or out of Germany?

 

Caller (male): Yes, I was in Germany. I was in Poland. Let me tell you. I have seen how the jews were rounded up. I have seen them running around in droves being driven by SS people. I’ve seen them being shot. Shot! Just because somebody was straggling, couldn’t follow the rest.

 

Ernst Zundel: And what did you do about it?

 

Caller (male): What I did about it? Nothing! I couldn’t do anything.

 

Ernst Zundel: Exactly!

 

In other words, you were a coward then and you are a coward now!

 

Caller (male): Let me tell you something right now. I may have been a coward! I probably was. I was at the time, 15 years of age.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, if you saw somebody shot and didn’t do something about it, you were a coward!

 

Caller (male): I probably was.

 

But I can tell you one thing, it certainly has weighed very heavily on my conscience. Because what was going on, that was not right. And I don’t give a damn how much you rant and rave.

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m not ranting or raving.

 

Caller (male): You will never be able to obliterate the darkest period in German history. Okay?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, if the Canadians are doing as well, and the British and the Americans and the jews in obliterating their dark parts in their history, we’d have a beautiful world. But as long as it’s only one sided, I Intend to speak the other side as long as good God gives me a breath to do it.

 

Caller (male): I just hope that people don’t regard you as representative of Germany.

 

Radio Host: 685 918 was the number. We’ll be right back after these messages.

 

[break]

 

You get any interference from the RCMP coming in to look at your membership list?

 

Ernst Zundel: Not anymore. Not anymore.

 

Radio Host: They did it one time?

 

Ernst Zundel: I used to be [word unclear] two or three times a week. Yeah, but not anymore. The main problem now comes from the Canadian jewish Congress and their agents.

 

25 There is Always an Uncle Tom.

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[Zundel’s commentary on the caller]

 

Ernst Zundel: It never fails. There is always an Uncle Tom! The blacks have him, the jews have him and the Germans have him. That is if the caller indeed was a German as he claimed to be. He did have some strange accent, that’s for sure.

 

However, I practically smelled him coming from left field and decided early on that here was one guy that was going to be nailed. And he certainly was! And I’m happy that that is now. There is no way that you can allow people like that to dominate the program by trying to be overly kind to them. People like that who mess into their own bed, you have to be short and swift! Back to the program.

 

[39:59]

 

Radio Host: John Reynolds back with Christoph Friedrich in Toronto. 685-9181 the number go ahead please.

 

Hello?

 

Caller (male): Hello.

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

26 Caller on Japanese in Concentration Camps

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Caller (male): What he says about immigration coming in this country. Well, I’m in agreement what he said about only the White race, that White people should immigrate here. But I wasn’t in agreement with what he said about the Japanese being innocent because it was myself I think it was a good thing that they were put in concentration camps because if the Japanese had landed here the ones that were in the country would have helped the Japanese invading forces.

 

And one of Japanese was educated in Vancouver here went to school and had his education here. He went over to Japan during the war and he was one of the worst ones over there. He beat the Canadian soldiers with whips in the camps there and [word unclear] for it.

 

Radio Host: Does that mean that all the rest of them would have been the same?

 

Caller (male): Pardon?

 

Radio Host: Does that mean that all the rest of them would have been the same? Why would a Japanese Canadian be any lesser Canadian than you were?

 

Caller (male): Well, I mean I don’t have any agreement with it. It wasn’t very innocent. You didn’t know what’s behind it. They [word unclear] truckloads of rifles and war stuff and short waves receivers and everything.

 

Ernst Zundel: And Mr. Reynolds.

 

Radio Host: I don’t know believe that gives us the right to take away people’s property.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds, if I may interject here. I have read the story of the tragedy of the American Japanese and the Canadian Japanese. I am not aware of one single instance where truckloads of Japanese rifles were taken away. That is a red herring of wartime propaganda. Now in the calmer days 30 years after. That’s simply not true.

 

Number one, I’d like to say on principle Japan did not declare war on Canada. Number two, Canada meddled in Japanese affairs 10,000 miles away from home in Hong Kong. Number three, the Japanese people who were in this country were legally admitted immigrants, had an excellent work record, were frugal, thrifty, pillars of society. They were robbed in the most sneaky, slimy way of their hard earned property. Proper restitution has not been done. When Premier Kuro went over to Japan and apologized to the people of Japan, the columns and the radio stations in the Toronto area were so full of hate towards our own Prime Minister. Just apologizing, that I am telling you Canadians have some skeletons in the crossing and their skeletons are intolerance and hate! And I am bringing those out. And if I speak forcefully, I speak with the eloquence of emergency. Because I can assure you if you Canadians are going to let this thing get done to the Germans today and you were allowing it yesterday to the Japanese, tomorrow you will allow it to another ethnic group. I’m telling you, if we don’t come to grips with this cancer in Canadian society tomorrow, it might be you!

 

Caller (male): Why don’t you speak to some of the Canadians that was taken Christmas day, prisoners in places there, and they were tortured.

 

Ernst Zundel: Sir, my question to you is, what business did they have to do over in Hong Kong? Did Canada have no problems in their own country?

 

So you see, if you meddle in a fight between two bullies, if you meddle in that and you get a black eye, it’s not like, don’t come back, complaining!

 

Caller (male): Well, they landed here, they came here by the submarine. They were just about pretty close to taking over the Aleutian islands. They had places dug in rock there and they confixated all their supplies. Don’t worry my friend, they were just about right to our doorstep here.

 

Ernst Zundel: This was after the war was on.

 

Anyway. Listen, this is a very fruitless discussion. I frankly think that the Japanese were maltreated and Canadians cannot make any excuses and cannot treat it under the rug. Justice is what we want. Justice for all the people, including jews, Pakistanis and Indians. What I’m saying to you is that I was the only one in 1968 to prevent problems from happening. Don’t you see? 1968, the United States was experiencing civil war on a massive scale where blacks were burning down practically every large city. You know, Watts and Detroit and so on. And I said at that time to the special Commission sitting in Montreal:

 

“Gentlemen, please learn from what is happening. We don’t owe these people anything!”

 

Canada didn’t have empire, you see I can see England having to import these people, but Canada should have a policy that is best for Canadians.

 

Caller (male): Well, the Black Panthers are stirring up the Indians here in Canada. And the Indians didn’t have enough sense to fight for themselves. But until another outfit came in here called the Black Panthers and they just stir these Indians up and it’s just making trouble for the Indians. And the Canadian government is surprised that they let these leaders come in from the United States.

 

Ernst Zundel: No, afraid I have to once again put it in the proper historical perspective. You Canadians in World War II allied yourself with Marxism, international Communism!

 

Now, because they were your allies then, you feel kind of uneasy about cracking down on them now because it would mean you made a mistake then. So what are you doing? You are allowing all kinds of Marxist infiltrators into your university, into your news media, and into the book publishing business and into education. And what they turn out are young commies. And these young commies then go out agitating minorities. Naturally, they’re not going to actually agitate the mass of Canadians because they are so lethargic. So they go after the Indians and other minorities.

 

[45:47]

 

27 Zundel’s Commentary on the Typical Canadian Man in the Street on Race

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Radio Host: Okay, thanks for your call. 685-918 was the number. We’ll be right back after these messages.

 

[Zundel’s commentary]

 

Ernst Zundel: What you have just heard is the typical average Canadian man in the street, World War II veteran speaking. A simple man with a bigoted viewpoint. Basically what he is a racist, but afraid to say it.

 

Now, here in me, he had found somebody who was very seldom on Canadian airwaves these days, willing to put in the good word for the Whites and point out their desperate situation. And the poor devil called up and couldn’t really make his point coherently.

 

Yet he had lived this kind of viewpoint for all his life and ended up trying to defend the indefensible. Interesting also is that the moderator, former Member of Parliament, all he could think about was the Japanese property being taken away. It didn’t occur to him that that’s not the main beef. It was not that the property was taken away. It was the fact that in a Democratic country that was not under immediate attack, was not being invaded, the dignity of human beings was being insulted that they were being herded into concentration camps. Men, women, children, father, mother, grandfather, grandparents and so on. They were robbed of their fortunes. They were robbed of their fishing boats and their fishing gears, their farms and so on. And Canadians can make no excuses. And he tried to make an excuse with World War II propaganda. What he pulled on the Japanese, they’re trying to pull on the Germans. Back to the program.

 

Radio Host: Okay, John Reynolds back. My guest is Chris Christoph Friedrich, head of Samizdat. 6859181 is the number. Go ahead.

 

28 Caller on the Suppressed Book ‘All Honorable Men’

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Caller (male): Yes, hello, Mr. Reynolds.

 

Radio Host: Yes.

 

Caller (male): I know you’re first, please. Thank God from your political deal. Is the other gentleman on the line too? Have either of you people ever read the first publication of a book called All Honorable Men? All Honorable Men.

 

Radio Host: Christoph Friedrich, have you read the book All Honorable Men?

 

Ernst Zundel: Is that by the English writer Douglas Reed?

 

Radio Host: English writer who was in Germany after the war. The book was suppressed. A new version came out which is completely different from the original publication of the book called All Our Men. Unfortunately, I loaned it out to somebody. I never got it back. There is a book out All Honorable Men, but it’s not the same version.

 

But in the original publication of the book, All Our Men showed how the Second World War was perpetrated!

 

Now, you realize that IG Farben was never bombed in Germany. IG Farben had a subsidiary in the United States. They made their deal and in United States manufactured and it said on there, it documented made in Germany was sent to South America. The money came back to Germany.

 

By the way, I’m a disabled war veteran.

 

And when I read that book, the original publication, which was the suppressed, showed how Schrader [sp], who was a companion of Roosevelt went to Germany and became the financial expert in Germany. I am in complete agreement. And I fought against you people. I speak German fluently. I’m a disabled war veteran.

 

Radio Host: Make your point, please.

 

Caller (male): Pardon?

 

Radio Host: Make your point.

 

Caller (male): Yeah, but what I’m saying is this. If you could, any of you, Mr. Reynolds and the gentleman there, could get the original edition of All Honorable Men, there is documentation after documentation. And I happen to agree. And Mr. Reynolds, but the other gentleman there were that not many jews were that. Now I don’t agree with all of them.

 

Radio Host: Okay, thanks for your comment.

 

29 World War II was Above All a Battle for World Markets

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Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds. May I say something to that, please?

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

Ernst Zundel: There’s no doubt that World War II was above all a battle for world markets. You see, and it is clearly expressed in the British Foreign Office documents which have been recently released after the 30 year time is up and American Foreign Office or Secretary of State offices and documents which are now being declassified after 35 years.

 

The fact is that Japan and Germany being geographically in a small area, being devoid of raw materials, these two nations must export in order to live. So they were in effect disturbing the international trading pattern. And high finance and international multinational corporations got together the way this fellow describes out of this book, All Honorable Men, got together and they decided:

 

“Well, if we can wipe out the competition, we will have the world markets to ourselves!”

 

You see?

 

Radio Host: Let me ask you a question. What about a gentleman by the name of Speers? You know him?

 

Ernst Zundel: No.

 

20 Belsen and the Typhus Epidemic and the Germans Told to Protect the Camp Until the British Arrived

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Radio Host: You haven’t read his book? He was one of the German officers who was tried in Nuremberg.

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh, Speer. Well, okay, I’ll be happy to respond to this. I’ve corresponded with him. Mr. Reynolds, that man was in allied custody for 20 years! He was only allowed to read what four different nations censored for him.

 

Now, if you and I can put on commercials in advertising and sell cars with 1 minute exposure over the radio or television, then a man whom I have for a 20 year captive audience is brainwashed so beyond recognition that he is a totally altered, different personality! The Albert Speer who came out of Spandau is an allied zombie!

 

Radio Host: So you’re saying the books he wrote about the atrocities are things that have been planted in his head by the Allies?

 

Ernst Zundel: After 20 years of confinement under sole allied tutelage, where only allied approved psychologists took his head apart and his brain apart, they only supplied him with the books that they allowed him to. Every newspaper is cut out meticulously as to articles which you’re not supposed to read, I ask you in all honesty, can that man be balanced?

 

[53:02]

 

Radio Host: May not be balanced. I don’t think he was balanced to do what he did in the first place.

 

Ernst Zundel: What did he do in the first place? He was our ministry of war production. You see, Mr. Reynolds, that’s my point. How can a grown up man like yourself, a Member of Parliament, say that he shouldn’t have done what he did in the first place? Nations in war, always find men who run the war machine for them. Canadians did. Americans did. Churchill did. Why should we not have very capable ministers of war? He was a very capable technocrat.

 

Radio Host: He also knew the atrocities that were being committed.

 

Ernst Zundel: He says he didn’t. He said he should have thought about it. But you see, the point is, if he says he didn’t, then I put it to you, if a guy in that kind of elevated office doesn’t know about it, maybe it is because they didn’t exist.

 

Radio Host: Oh, you heard the previous caller say he was a German from Poland and they did exist.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, a 15 year old kid who was too cowardly to protect somebody from being shot, then to take his word, believe me, he doesn’t stand up against hard evidence.

 

31 Caller Claims Innocent Children Put in Gas Chambers

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Caller (male): Hello?

 

Radio Host: Yes, go ahead.

 

Caller (male): Yes, I would like to know what business this German fellow has to criticize Canada and United States. I mean, listen. They have killed babies in pregnant women and send them the gas chamber. He’s lying! He’s a nobody! He was a little child at the time the war was on. What he know about it? How many innocent children was put in the gas chamber? And I lost myself 40 people for my family! He has a face, he has a nerve to come on the radio and talk lies like this. And people have to listen this. Not ashamed! You let him go on the radio station. You should send him to Germany. He wouldn’t talk like this in Germany. He don’t know nothing about the whole history!

 

There was not killed Japanese children. There was not food to give them. They let the people work till he died. Until he got killed in heavy stones. And he telling stories for the people. They wasn’t killing the jews and they don’t killing. They want to kill the whole world! There was the whole song made up from the Germans. Germany is small, the whole world is ours! What do you think men like this you let go on the radio. This is a shame! I can’t understand how can a person talk on the radio to the public like that? There’s nobody to give him the answer on it. How everything he is saying is lying. What mixing up Japanese and other nations in this program? They talk about Germany. Did Germany know that there was only 6 million jews only killed?

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m afraid you have had the, …

 

Radio Host: He’s allowed to say is a free country, whether we want to believe or not. 685918 was the number. We’ll be right back after the event.

 

32 Zundel’s Commentary on the Jewish Caller and Their Emotionalism and Lies

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Ernst Zundel: Well, finally here we had it. I was waiting for that call for the very first part of the program. Usually, in the olden days, or certainly in Eastern Canada and in the Eastern United States where there is a far greater concentration of jewish people, we get this type of call by the dozens! Monopolizing the airwaves with their emotionalism. Trying to once again cry, moan, whine about all the things that have been done to them, offering no evidence. But for the gullible public, they certainly talk a good persecution and a good crime.

 

Now, is it interesting that the moderator did not allow me to get back at that man and to nail him. He just cut him off. And then, of course, went conveniently to some commercial announcements which gave me no chance to respond to this man’s accusations.

 

However, for the European listeners, this can serve as the typical call. This is why it is so very important that this issue of anti-German propaganda and of this monstrous, horrific lie about Germans killing 6 million jews must be exposed wherever we can! This is the pivotal question! Once this lie has been exposed as a propaganda lie, the world will change upside down, inside out! And our people who have been hated and maligned will become the angels of the world!

 

And this is what those who peddle the lie are afraid of they have gambled wildly and recklessly that they can can control all the channels of communications for all time. If it is possible for us to break through that curtain the way I have broken through with this interview, for instance, on this Canadian radio station, which was the largest radio station on the east coast in Canada, large enough so that they have two private helicopters looking after traffic reports, their own reporters, roving reporters, large enough that they not shy the expense of paying for a long distance call from Vancouver to Toronto over a distance of 5,000 miles for an hour and a half.

 

[58:44]

 

 

33 The Need for All Those Who Believe in the Rightness of the Cause to Help Spread the Message

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Now, when we can break through day in, day out, year after year, through this media curtain with our facts, our figures, our proof, then a new age will be dawning. This is why it is so absolutely crucial that the people who believe in the same things that I believe in, who are unable because of age, lack of faith in themselves or talent in the media, maybe because they speak English with even more of an accent than I do, that they help us in financing my work. Because the proof certainly is given in this interview again that we can make breakthroughs and we can reach the public. And you can see there were all kinds of people out there who are willing to agree with us and who are willing to listen to us.

 

We have all kinds of allies. But right now they are isolated and we are isolated. We cannot reach them for lack of funds. If we had the money, we could buy radio time on every radio station, we could buy TV time on every TV station. Within a very few short years, we could change the German image in the world, the image of National Socialism, which, after all, was an attempt by White Europe to save itself at the end of a cultural cycle and to start and Make a glorious new beginning.

 

If people would only realize the importance of this, we could change the world together. I cannot do it alone. Obviously, some of the members of the jewish community made their usual quick phone calls to rustle up support and to get their fellow racial comrades to get under the airwaves and to give this German, of all people, a piece of their mind and to give them a hard time. Because it is so seldom that Germans speak out in public, and especially even more seldom that they speak out on the airwaves as frankly and as freely as I did in this particular interview. The reaction was equal. Just as we heard by the previous caller every old propaganda lie rehashed, even the canard of “Deutschland ueber alles” or the “tomorrow the world” business. So often has this story been told in Heideggerd UN Deutschland Und Morgen die ganze Welt, that I’m so sick and tired of trying to even explain it. If all the songs that every army in the world had ever sung was broadcast, I think that there would be some pretty red faces and embarrassed politicians.

 

34 Jews and Their Claims of Having Lost Untold Family Members!

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And the fact that he lost 40 members of his family, well, gee, it is incredible! Everyone that I meet of these people lost 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 80 members of their family. Some 200 members of their family! Hell, I can’t even remember 20 members of my family. But these people, they can remember 200! And they all lost them. And yet they’re all here!

 

35 Anti-Semitism as a Natural Self-Defence Reaction

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The next caller is a female, and she also brings out the old war horse of jewish propaganda, namely that the German people had to suffer and have to suffer because of the world retaliating against us. Nobody ever bothers to reflect or give meditation or to think about why the Germans turned against the jews in the first place! Ours was a reaction of self defense. This is why the word anti-semitism or anti-Judaism was coined and created. It is inherent in the very word itself that ours was a natural reaction of a body politic, of a nation, of a state, of a culture, of a race, if you want, against intruders. If we had been for the jews, it would mean pro-semitism. But because of the way these people behaved, it was anti-semitism. If they had behaved beautifully, it could have been becoming philo-semitism. Or if they hadn’t been there would have been no anti, no pro, no nothing. You see, nobody bothers to think about those things.

 

36 As a War Measure, the Concentration Camps Can Be Justified

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And it is once again important that we make this point again and again to the people of the world, that our reaction was natural, that as a war measure, the concentration camps can be justified. However ugly they are and however little we like them. Nobody likes to be deprived of their freedom. Neither do I. But the fact is we do not have to be forever bow our heads in shame because there were concentration camps and there were people in concentration camps. Because just about every country involved in World War II had people rotting in jail, forgot about their so-called human rights and civil rights. Imprisoned men, women and children. And in many countries, notably the glorious Democratic ally Joseph Stalin killed people by the millions and nobody cared and nobody squawked! So we should forget about defending ourselves but to take the initiative.

 

Back to the program.

 

37 Female Caller Supporting the Holocaust Movie

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Radio Host: Hello, Good morning.

 

Caller (female): Yes, I would like to say a few words to your guest too. He seem to be awfully upset about a story that we saw on Holocaust. That story should have been told long time ago. You shouldn’t be upset because that’s a crime that was done and it should be told. Same like all other wars when they’re on TV, nobody’s upset.

 

But now when that story is told, he seems to be awfully upset because it’s something to be upset about. Because seeing something like that really is unbelievable!

 

Ernst Zundel: Madam. Has the mass murder of the civilian German population ever been shown in an eight hour television special all over North American television? Have the rapes of the 100,000 women in Berlin by the Soviets and Mongolian troops, ever been featured played? Have the rapes of the Viennese? Have the murders, the tortures in allied concentration camps after the war, have they ever been shown? No!

 

Caller (female): They might not be. But after the things that they did, they might be understandable why the people wanted to retaliate because of that you should understand that that story should be told a long time ago to remind us all the time what was going on.

 

Ernst Zundel: I’ve been in Canada for 20 years and I’ve heard nothing but this story from one side. Until finally after 20 years, …

 

Caller (female): [word unclear] not have got enough guts to [word unclear]

 

Ernst Zundel: You know something lady? I have enough guts, … Grant me enough guts from my side to speak up for our side.

 

Look. Grant me the guts from my side to speak up to our side. There is no not only your side. There’s always two sides to a story.

 

Caller (female): There is many nation sides and they all agree. Except you!

 

Ernst Zundel: They don’t all agree, my dear. They don’t all agree, my dear.

 

Caller (female): They do!

 

Ernst Zundel: In Tokyo during the war crimes trial., …

 

Caller (female): They do agree on this story, except you!

 

Ernst Zundel: Because you, my dear woman, there are thousands of books, there are thousands of books written in the world about the jewish lies about Holocaust, the blackmail that it is, and so on. It has nothing to do with fact at all! It is a money making racket employed internationally. Just the fact that a thousand guys tell a lie does make the original lie, not the truth! It is a lie!

 

[1:07:53]

 

38 Male Caller Somewhat Supportive of Zundel’s Position

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Radio Host: Thanks for your call. Go ahead.

 

Caller (male): Hello. Good morning, John. First of all, let me put the record straight. This Holocaust business, this is a drama which has backfired completely. It has been produced by the jews themselves. Secondly, we are they always talking about the 6 million jews, but they never mention that there are 22 million during the Second World War who are gentile, Canadian, British, Russians, Germans as well, they have been killed as well.

 

Thirdly, those 6 million jews they have been smuggled into the United States. And quite a bit of them, they went into Palestine itself. To legitimize their claim in Israel.

 

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

 

Radio Host: All these facts they have not been told to the people!

 

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

 

Radio Host: [word unclear] can look for one side and neglect the other.

 

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

 

Radio Host: And two wrongs do not make right!

 

Ernst Zundel: Absolutely!

 

Radio Host: Exactly what has been practiced by the Germans on the jews and the victims of the jews by the Germans they are by Eichmann himself, who was a jew.

 

And finally the jews they have been compensated for all the damages. They got $35 billion out of West Germany for this so-called story of the 6 million jews. People better go to library and start to read and look to the two sides. I do not believe in killing, but two wrongs do not make right because exactly the jews are doing it in Palestine on the 3.5 million Arab Palestinians. And this is all that I have to say. John. Okay.

 

39 Israel Has Got Terror Squads Going out into the World Assassinating Diplomats, Etc.

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Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds. The week that Holocaust was being shown in the Western world, Israel invaded southern Lebanon.

 

Now, Israel has had three wars in the last generation. Germany has had none. Israel has got terror squads going out into the world assassinating diplomats and those whom they suspect of being terrorists. And there have been several mishaps reported where they got the wrong man.

 

In other words, we have hit squads roaming the planet, abducting people, kidnapping people, assassinating people, silencing people, burning people’s homes down like they did to this German in France, Jochen Pieper and so on.

 

Now there is an international gang of terrorists loose on the planet and they are camouflaging their international power by stuff like that. And we don’t like it. And the world should be grateful for a guy like John Reynolds and for a guy like Christoph Friedrich Zundel to get on the telephone and to alert them to the fact of what is happening! We are a planet in the grip of a gang of terrorists who are using this emotional propaganda to camouflage not their bygone deeds, nobody’s ever talked about them, but their current deeds!

 

Radio Host: Don’t thank me, Christopher. I’ve only got you on because you’re, …

 

Ernst Zundel: Controversial!

 

Radio Host: Controversial.

 

And I think people should know that you’re around because I think you’re, …

 

Ernst Zundel: What?

 

[Call cut out]

 

40 Male Caller Denies Gas Chambers and Disputes the Number of Jews Who Died

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Radio Host: Hello? Hello, you’re there, Go ahead, go ahead Conor, go ahead.

 

Caller (female): The war was over. Hello?

 

Radio Host: Yes, go ahead again.

 

Caller (female): When the war was over I was 15 years old. When I’ve been around in Eastern Europe and then in Western Europe. When I hear this story it’s been told over the Holocaust, you know all the murdering goes on. It’s unbelievable what kind of lies! Because I’ve been down after war and around Bavaria with how concentration camp used to be. There was nothing! There was no gas chamber whatsoever! The gas chamber been built 1948!

 

Ernst Zundel: A Hollywood movie.

 

Caller (female): American supervision.

 

Ernst Zundel: A Hollywood movie.

 

Caller (female): In a little chamber, supposed to burn 6 million jews. Like in Canada, anybody who you listen to in the radio television he’s always:

 

“I was lucky I survived!”

 

How could he survive in Europe, in only 3 million jews? When you go back to Russia now and count the population the jewish in Poland how many immigrants to South America, to Palestine, the United States, Canada, you know how many are left who got killed? One million, two hundred thousand. That’s proven from the Swiss Red Cross. But that story they never told, people died of starvation. It was from 1944-45 because there was no transportation, no food! The food rationing was anyway. I mean there was no way to get the food to the people.

 

Ernst Zundel: In other words, …

 

Caller (female): Other people died. I saw him laying on the road as we marched from Poland to [word unclear] in front of the Russians, you know. And I thought he been shot down, you know from bombs and everything. But after the war when we stayed in Bavaria, so after you went to north German plain there, when his story’s been told [words unclear] brainwashed. The older people over there, they’re dying out. They forget, you know. It’s unbelievable, …

 

Radio Host: Anything that happened at the Nuremberg trials was true?

 

[1:12:59]

 

41 Zundel Talks About the Nuremberg Trials and the Dissenting Opinion of an Indian Judge

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Ernst Zundel: Let me tell you about the Nuremberg trials.

 

Radio Host: I haven’t read them all but I’ve looked, …

 

Caller (female): Yeah, that’s the trouble, you know you only read the one side of it, you know.

 

Radio Host: Hey, thanks for your call.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr Reynolds.

 

Radio Host: Go ahead.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Reynolds I have in front of me a book put out by the British trial lawyer who defends Field Marshal Manstein in a war crimes trial in Germany after the war. And he quotes in there an Indian judge. He refers to him as “the great Indian judge Rahabino de Pal”, who wrote the dissenting judgment which he delivered as one of the judges of the International Court at Tokyo. Now he would have never been chosen number one as a judge had he been pro-German. He was completely neutral, an Indian judge, one of India’s great judges. Here is what the judge said as a dissenting opinion in Tokyo. And the same holds true for Germany:

 

“The so-called trial held according to the definition of crime now given by the victors obliterates the centuries of civilization which stretch between us and the summary slaying of a defeated in war. A trial with law thus prescribed would only be a sham employment of the legal process for the satisfaction of the thirst for revenge. It does not correspond to any idea of justice and may justly create the feeling that it is much more a political than a legal affair. To say that the Victor can define a crime at his will and then punish would be to revert back to those days when he was allowed to devastate an occupied country, appropriate all public and private property therein and kill the inhabitants or take them away into captivity.”

 

Mr. Reynolds, I will tell you that the United States, that the Soviet Union, that England, Canada, Belgium and France behave in exactly this manner!

 

In other words, the Indian judge calls them barbarians!

 

Radio Host: Okay, 685-9181. We’ll be right back after these messages.

 

42 Zundel’s Commentary on the Radio Host’s Willingness to Let Him Speak Freely

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Ernst Zundel: Well, I have to admit to our listeners that in all the TV shows and in all the public debates and so on that I’ve ever made in North America, this one is turning out to be something else. This moderator is allowing me to say things unopposed. I can’t believe it! This has really in all honesty never happened to me before, that I would have been able to so openly state the German case and also to so openly and continuously attack the Allies. There is very little opposition from the callers that come in. We have had an Arab for the first time, an Arab coming to our defense. The reason why I am stressing the Arab is that I used to fight for the Arabic and Palestine Palestinian cause versus the Israelis with great vehemence and never received any support at all Over The Airwaves. And I was completely disgusted by it.

 

However, that was in Montreal. It does seem that the population composition of Vancouver is different and that this is why we can say more and be on the air.

 

43 Female Caller on the Amount of Hate Mongering That is Going On.

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Radio Host: Yes caller.

 

Caller (male): I really, I can’t understand this program this morning. It just seems to be made up of hate!

 

But what I want to say is that can you tell me any country in the world that has not done, you know, terrible things to other nations, like even right today, right in Ireland, look what’s going on. And because a madman, Hitler, and he was proven mad! I mean, because he did these things, why blame the German people? The German are well educated. They’re one of the smartest people in the world. And not saying there’s lots of other smart people, but just because one madman did it, why is it all this hate perpetuated?

 

Radio Host: Because of Mr. Friedrich, I think, and what he’s doing.

 

Caller (male): Jewish people, too, seem to have a heck of a lot of resentment.

 

44 Zundel’s Run for the Post of Leader of the Liberal Party in 1968

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Ernst Zundel: You see, it’s interesting, Mr. Reynolds, that I am supposed to be the hate monger. You can say about German people the most foul lies and the most horrible things. And you can say it over Canadian radio, over Canadian television. You can say it in Canadian newspapers and you can say it in our Canadian university textbooks. Mr. Reynolds, I went through your school system here and through your university system. I ran for the post of leader of the Liberal Party in 1968. I know what Canadians think, and I know what they do you know! You are the people, in effect, who have love on your lap and hate in your heart when it comes to Germans! It’s as simple as that!

 

Radio Host: How much did you get when you ran against Trudeau for the Liberal leadership?

 

Ernst Zundel: Pardon me?

 

Radio Host: How many votes did you get?

 

Ernst Zundel: I purposely dropped out five minutes before the balloting.

 

Radio Host: Why?

 

Ernst Zundel: Because I wanted to make the statement that a man with his own money, totally independent, could run and arrive in Ottawa and make it to the same podium, speak to the Canadian people. And I spoke to them strictly about anti-German hate propaganda. Nothing more, nothing less! I’m not a megalomaniac. I know exactly the limits of my personality. But I use that as a platform to say:

 

“Canadians, look in the mirror, stop hating us, number one, we don’t deserve it, number one. Number two, it doesn’t make you look any better for kicking around on us!”

 

You know, it’s okay to kick around a defeated enemy, but after 30 years, it reflects on the guy that does the kicking.

 

Radio Host: Why didn’t you continue and see how many votes you’d get?

 

[1:18:47]

 

Ernst Zundel: I had no misconception that Trudeau was going to win the election because I understand my fellow Canadians. You know, they were swept up by Trudeau mania. The media manufactured it.

 

And since I didn’t have the media behind me, thanks to my infiltrated cronies in the press, I certainly had no chance, just as little as Robert Winders or Paul Helio or anybody else. But if I had made it.

 

Radio Host: Thank you very much for being with us this morning. I don’t wish you any success because I think what you do, …

 

Ernst Zundel: Really, Mr. Reynolds, if I had made it, the country would be in much better shape, believe me.

 

Radio Host: Okay, well, that’s how you feel, I guess you’ve got the right in this country to do what you want to do.

 

Ernst Zundel: The results are obvious. Thank you.

 

Radio Host: Thank you very much.

 

45 Zundel’s Commentary on the Whole Program and Practical Advice to Callers

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Ernst Zundel: Little remarkable remains to be said about this interview. On the whole, it is one of the most remarkable ones that I have done because of the length and because of the truth that I was able to say. Believe me, in 90% of the cases I couldn’t have been on that radio station for five minutes, and I would have been cut off.

 

But it seems that either the mood of the population is changing, or that the mood of the men in the media is changing, or that this man in particular doesn’t like what is happening and is using me as a mouthpiece. I do not know. I don’t understand it.

 

But as they say in English, why should I look a gift horse in the mouth? The program cost me nothing. The radio station paid for the telephone call. And my cause and my German people’s cause has been once again well defended and well served.

 

For those who are about to get into the media field, I think that this tape could serve as a good training tape, if I may say so, with all modesty, if you pardon the pun. But I have done so many of these radio shows that I’m beginning to consider myself somewhat of an expert.

 

Look at some of the callers that call in. They are amateurs and you can tell that they are amateurs. They are wandering all over the landscape. And again and again the moderator has to remind them:

 

“Make your point. Make your point! What’s your point? Come to your point!”

 

In other words, if you’re going to call in a program like that, write down what you want to say point for point, Rehearse it a little, say it out loud. Nobody’s around anyways. Most people are at work. And then state your case clearly, succinctly and carefully.

 

I learned my lessons and worked hard in polishing my media stance. I just wish I could have more opportunities like this one to make use of my 10 years of training, my 20 years of training, actually. And naturally, more than anything else, I wish I could do it back home in Germany.

 

However, there must be people who have to do it over here in North America. And as long as we are here, working here, living here, it is our duty to speak out and to stand up for what is right and for what is true. Naturally, I appeal, since this is in English, to all our many English speaking friends across this land, the United States and around the world.

 

This problem is not a German problem. It is your problem. It is our problem. It is a world problem. The German people didn’t create it, you helped create it. If you are too young, your father or your grandfather helped to create it. Now it’s your responsibility and my responsibility, our responsibility to change it. Because we live in this world together. It is up to you and I to pass on to our children and to future generations a better world, a healthier world, an honest world, a clean world and an unpolluted world. Not only unpolluted, that we have clear streams, clear oceans, clean air, but also clean brains! And thoroughly cleaned souls! Because we without those two, the other will, number one, not matter, and number two cannot be achieved.

 

Therefore, it is almost ironic that this problem of undetermined propaganda, of hate programs against Germans drag down those who do the hating and inhibit them in growing, because hate makes blind. And throughout this program you will have noticed that I speak very firmly and very quickly and very much to the point, but never with hate.

 

When in my early years and younger years I was so full of pain as to why and what had happened to Germany, and when I first discovered the horrendousness of this lie, I used to get so distraught that I suppose I hated, and I lost every radio program.

 

As a consequence I would say to check one’s emotions, to make sure one is relaxed, not tired, not agitated, and to try very hard to keep one’s emotions under control because the public airwaves are no medium for sounding like some raving lunatic. Speak by all means with feeling, but never with hate. Otherwise you will lose your audience, you will not be understood, and many people won’t be able to follow you. Therefore, try to state your case without hesitation, without humming and hawing, and rather be short and to the point than try to be long winded. And always keep in mind to whom you are speaking. If you are speaking to Canadians, address them on Canadian topics such as Canadian concentration camps, Canadian war crimes and Canadian skeletons in their closets. Don’t roam around the world about the 1918 revolution and this control and that stuff. Nobody’s interested.

 

[1:27:06]

 

Another thing to remember, stay away from figures. Nothing is more deadly and more boring than to discuss statistics and figures on radio. The counting of dead bodies is stupid and lurid and sad enough on paper, but it has absolutely no place on radio and not on television. I have seen how people have lost audiences left, right, front and center because they try to impress them with their knowledge of figures. Believe me, you can use it as a tactic to throw your opponent, of course, but don’t ever think you can score points. It’s a waste of time and it’s a waste of airtime. Stick to simple things that people can relate to, like stealing somebody’s property, beating, raping, mugging, torture, prison, stuff like that. Now that they can see every now night on television, they can relate to that. And if you relate that to them in our case, your point will be well made. Otherwise you’re going to get bogged down in 6 million and 9 million, minus 472,000 and so on. So many jews in Poland and all this, it is useless! Nobody cares. Nobody cares!

 

People basically think what the Germans did was monstrous because all they can relate to is that they might know a jew who is nice, or a jewish woman or jewish kid whom they like. And of course we murdered in effect the people whom they liked. So what we have to say is exactly what I said in this program. It is not our fault. We didn’t start this whole mess, somebody else did. It could have been solved differently if people had been willing.

 

Now, we don’t want to shoulder all the blame.

 

 

[01:29:13]

 

 

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Caller 1: The present day European jews came up through Spain. They came through North Africa, through Spain, from Italy and from the Middle East, and they went through Germany and they went to Poland. That’s the route that they followed. The jews are now in Israel.

 

Ernst Zundel: Hundreds of thousands come from under the stars in the Pale of Settlement. Can you tell me that.

Caller 1: They came from Poland?

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh, they came from Poland. They came from Poland and from Germany.

 

Ernst Zundel: I’ve heard of big migration from Khazars into Poland and into Germany under Frederick the Great, to be exact.

 

Caller 1: No, no, no! You’re speaking of the Oriental jews who came up from the Caucasus Mountain. The mountain jews who came from Babylonia and some Assyria.

 

Host: Ah, well, when it comes to this area, …

 

Caller 1: Let’s forget about it.

 

Ernst Zundel: No, in a sense, why would you want to discuss it? Because it’s going to., …

 

Caller 1: What’s that got to do with the jews who are now in Israel?

 

Ernst Zundel: Because then 80% of those jews living in Israel, according to the Arabs and according to this interpretation of it, are not Semites. Therefore they have no historic attachment to the Wailing Wall.

 

Caller 1: Good. Good heavens. You know what you sound like? Yesterday I read a book about a guy who said that the South American-Indians were the lost 10 tribes. They wandered across from Mesopotamia to India and to China. It crossed that Alaska and then down. The Incas and the Aztecs were descended from the 10 lost tribes.

 

Ernst Zundel: You are referring to the Book of Mormons, I suppose.

 

Caller 1: Oh, good heavens!

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m not saying it, man! It’s the Jewish Encyclopedia that is.

 

Caller 1: I don’t believe you! I don’t believe you!

 

Host: Well, in terms of history, according to Jewish Encyclopedia, we have a caller who is well versed in jewish history and we’ll go to him in just a second. Okay, just one second now. I think this is the line. Is that you, Mr L?

 

Caller 2: Yes, yes.

 

Host: Okay. You’ve been listening. Have you been listening?

 

Caller 2: Hello.

 

Host: Have you been listening for the last few minutes, Mr. Lipman?

 

Caller 2: Yes, hello?

 

Host: Hello.

 

Caller 2: Mr. Lipman. Yes, speaking. Hello?

 

Host: Yes, just one second now.

 

Caller 2: Speaking, please.

 

Host: Okay, there, you’re on the line now. Pardon?

 

Caller 2: Yeah, I’m the caller, Mr. Lipman. I want to speak to the Nazi and I want to speak to the jew there.

 

Host: Well, the jew hung up and the Nazi, as you call him, [chuckling] is on the line.

 

Caller 2: Did you laugh at the Nazi there?

 

Host: Yeah, go ahead, Mr. L.

 

Ernst Zundel: I beg your pardon.

 

Host: Go ahead. You’re on the air now.

 

Caller 2: Is the jewish man there, too?

 

Host: No, he hung up.

 

Caller 2: Well, if he hung up. Hello?

 

Host: Yes.

 

Caller 2: Wouldn’t be surprised if you’re listening while I’m talking.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, the jewish man is here. Go on.

 

Caller 2: Hello?

 

Host: Hello? Go ahead, sir.

 

Caller 1: First of all, I would like to bag the jewish fellow to take my telephone number and call me personally. I want to speak to him personally after I’ll finish. My number is [bebbed out] Sometimes you can still have my telephone number. I’m not hiding anything.

 

And I’m not hiding anything. And I can debate with you what I want to know, Mr. Caller Number One. Hello?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes?

 

Caller 2: Caller Number One, is that you?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, are you referring to the, …

 

Caller 2: Are you caller Number One?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

 

Caller 2: Tell me, what capacity do you speak of the name of the Arab? Are you in capacity of making a peace between the jews? And are you official representative that you talk with such authority, or you just an ordinary journalist which writes in the yellow tabloid of [word unclear] Gable? Answer me the question, sir.

 

Ernst Zundel: First polite question.

 

Caller 2: I like concrete, man! I don’t like to talk nonsense! In what capacity do you speak to make peace between jews and Arabs?

 

Host: All right, he’s going to answer the question. Mr. L.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. M. Would you be polite?

 

Caller 2: Yeah, I will. Yes.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

 

First of all, I’m not writing for Julius Streicher.

 

Caller 1: I beg your pardon?

 

Ernst Zundel: I’m not writing for Julius Streicher. And the other gentlemen because their papers have gone out of business.

 

Caller 1: Yeah, but there’s plenty of Streichers at the moment. Plenty of Streichers roaming around in the streets of Montreal and in New York and in South America.

 

Host: Well, sir, let me. Just for the benefit of listeners, your response can be interpreted two ways. You’re not writing for them because they no longer exist. Does that mean if they did exist, you would write for them?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, but I was just trying to find out how, …

 

Caller 2: Listen, give me an answer, man! I want you to give me an answer. Caller number one.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I, …

 

Caller 2: In what capacity do you speak to make peace between the jews and the Arabs?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, all night stated in a, …

 

Caller 2: Yeah, go ahead. I didn’t hear.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, then you have, …

 

Caller 2: Repeat yourself.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Lipman, are you there?

 

Caller 1: I’ll beg your pardon.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay. Would you hang on for just a second, …

 

[04:55]

 

Caller 2: Yeah, wait a minute. I’ll close the radio. I’ll be able to hear.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, very good.

 

Caller 2: Go ahead.

 

Ernst Zundel: Radio done?

 

Caller 2: Yes, go ahead.

 

Ernst Zundel: Now, Mr Lipman, if you have been listening and you have been hearing not what you wanted to hear, but what I said.

 

Caller 2: Yes, what did you say?

 

Ernst Zundel: I said repeatedly tonight that I spoke as an individual.

 

Caller 2: Wait a minute. Yeah, but you speak like you’re sitting at a conference table with the jews.

 

Ernst Zundel: No.

 

Caller 2: And trying to make peace between the Arabs and jews!

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh, I say it as a suggestion. It’s a free country we are in.

 

Caller 2: Well, no, no, no, no, wait a minute. There’s a different. There’s a dialogue, man! We can criticize the jews. We can criticize anybody.

 

Ernst Zundel: Sometimes I wonder.

 

Caller 1: Yeah, we can criticize the jews. They are right sometimes. Don’t give me that stuff, mister. You know well that we can criticize the jews.

 

Ernst Zundel: Anybody that listens to the headline tonight must wonder the, …

 

Caller 2: The [word unclear] doesn’t wonder. The only thing is I can’t understand Mr. Bell. I told him one time how does he allow such poison to be spread when there Streichers and so many Meyers and so many. What you call them? You call yourself Meyer. Your father was Meyer, you said. And so many [word unclear] walking around in the streets of Montreal.

 

Host: All right, now if you’ll let me say something for just a moment.

 

Now, there are callers who are barred from the line because in my opinion, they are guilty of what you suggested Mr. L.

 

Caller 2: Yes.

 

Host: In my opinion, this gentleman is not guilty of what you suggest and it escapes me how you can accuse him of this.

 

Now, as I have said before.

 

Caller 2: Yes.

 

Host: I take issue with some of his figures. Another gentleman called up with other figures. We have a few more lines loaded. People with other figures.

 

Caller 2: From the jewish Congress they called.

 

Host: How’s that?

 

Caller 2: From the Congress. Jewish Congress they called.

 

Host: Yeah, well, I have somebody on another line with more figures. In other words, over a figure dispute whether the man, … And a few statements that he has made. He could be historically inaccurate.

 

Now, when quoting from the Jewish Encyclopedia. I don’t know. I’ve never read the thing.

 

Caller 2: Yes, Mr. Bell.

 

Host: Yeah.

 

Caller 2: Not only inaccurate, he’s full of lies. And I can prove it to him!

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay, wonderful! Why don’t you prove it?

 

Caller 2: I’ll prove it to you right away.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

 

Caller 2: Listen. No, wait. I proved it to you! Give me a chance to prove it to you. I’ll prove it to you. I’ll prove it to you, man! I’ll prove it to you. I’ll prove it to you!

 

Ernst Zundel: I believe you.

 

Caller 2: Listen, listen! Will you listen?

 

Ernst Zundel: No, one hundred percent.

 

Caller 2: Will you listen?

 

Ernst Zundel: In other words, that we are going to be positive and not negative, that we don’t engage in name calling.

 

Caller 2: No, I wouldn’t call it a name calling, but just listen to.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

 

Caller 2: I want to expose you that you are working for the Nazis! And you’re an agent of the Nazis. Okay.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay. How much is my pay?

 

Caller 2: Do you know? I don’t know.

 

Ernst Zundel: And where is the headquarters by the way?

 

Caller 2: The headquarters in Nazis are still in Bonn. And it’s still in Cairo.

 

Ernst Zundel: So in other words, …

 

Caller 2: It’s still in Cairo!

 

Ernst Zundel: Is the Nazi headquarters in the, …

 

Caller 2: Is still in Bonn and Cairo. Will you listen? Will you listen? I want to refute your argument. Okay. I want to refute your argument.

 

Ernst Zundel: You’re wonderful!

 

Caller 2: I want to refute your argument. Oh, will you listen?

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh, yeah.

 

Caller 2: Well, listen. You made a statement that Germany restituted the jews so much. And you give figures, right?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I did.

 

Caller 2: You did fine. Do you know that whatever they give 800 some million dollars it’s restitution, right or not?

 

Ernst Zundel: No.

 

Caller 1:800 million. I don’t argue. You had a figure. $826 million. They give a restitution to the jews. You said so.

 

Ernst Zundel: No, I didn’t.

 

Host: I’m the one who said that.

 

Caller 2: Hey, beg your pardon.

 

Host: I’m the one who said that.

 

Caller 2: Where did you get the figure?

 

Host: I got the figure from the Almanac.

 

Caller 2: Okay, fine, let’s be. So I’ll take this figure too. $826 million was given restitution by the German to the jews.

 

First of all, if you know history, and history is very young, that when Grynszpan* made an attack on the German ambassador in Switzerland or in Sweden, I don’t remember exactly between these two places.

 

 

[* Herschel Feibel Grynszpan was a Polish-Jewish expatriate born and raised in Weimar Germany who shot and killed the German diplomat Ernst vom Rath on 7 November 1938 in Paris. The NS’s alledgedly used this assassination as a pretext to launch Kristallnacht, “The Night of Broken Glass”, the pogrom of 9–10 November 1938. Grynszpan was seized by the Gestapo after the fall of France and brought to Germany; his further fate remains unknown. Wikipedia]

 

Ernst Zundel: I thought it was in France.

 

Caller 2: Wait a minute, wait a minute. Give me a chance to explain myself. So Hitler right away confiscated all the jewish wealth which amount to $4 billion. Before even he started to persecute the jews outside of Germany amounted to $4 billion.

 

Ernst Zundel: Not true.

 

Caller 2: It’s true! It’s in the paper. The start of civil life. I started the life here in Montreal. I’ll prove it to you. Number one.

 

Second thing. The money that Germany gave to the jews, it’s not her money. It’s American money from American taxpayers. Because Mr. Eisenhower and the rest of his gang wanted to whitewash the dirty deeds of the former Nazi. And he said “let bygones be bygones”. And he contributed $4 billion to build up again the Bonn government.

 

So it’s not their money, it’s American taxpayer pay the money. Is it right?

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr Lipman.

 

Caller 2: Wait a minute, I’m not finished yet. You got to listen. I listen to you. Because I listen to your story, which is full of lies. And I’m surprised that the jew that is a well capable man and that he converse with you. Because listen, I said to Mr. Bell, There is four brothers, four characters. Evil man, evil man, right or wrong. You still tell you that you’re wrong. So why they debate with you? You’re not an official capacity. You’re not an official capacity from the Arabs or from the Germans. What right have you got to speak in the name of the Arabs or the Germans or anybody else?

 

[10:12]

 

Ernst Zundel: That’s why you don’t like to talk to me. I’m just a goy.

 

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

 

Ernst Zundel: You don’t like the other chap to even converse with this fantastic goy.

 

Caller 2: What goy? Anyway, go on. This language is French to me.

 

Ernst Zundel: You don’t speak Yiddish?

 

Caller 2: I speak Yiddish, yes. Goy is Hebrew. Goy means if you know Hebrew, goy means a nation, it’s not an individual. And he don’t even know the interpretation of goy. You don’t even know the interpretation of goyim.

 

Hello, Wait a minute. Listen, big shot. Goyim is plural, means nation. Goy means one race.

 

Ernst Zundel: And who is referred to usually as goyim?

 

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

 

Ernst Zundel: Who is usually referred to as goyim?

 

Caller 2: They referred goyim. Because these people that say goy, they are ignorant. They don’t know what they’re talking about. Because goy means a race, one, a nation, I mean. And goyim is plural. So they don’t know. You just inquire if I’m in the wrong, I’ll give anything. You see?

 

Ernst Zundel: Right. Go on.

 

Caller 2: And number one, and we don’t use such language as “dirty jews” or any or anything else. When we. In our scriptures, if you want to know it’s written, when we go to the synagogue, we say:

 

“My Lord, forgive us all our sins. And also to those who live among us. Strangers that live among us.”

 

In other words, we pray for the non-jews too.

 

And as far as persecution is concerned, no jew persecuted yet a non-jew. It’s in history. And we were persecuted for 2,000 years.

 

And let me tell you one thing. I said sometimes I speak French. It’s [words unclear] English. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Give me a chance.

 

Ernst Zundel: I think the Old testament.

 

Caller 2: No, no, no! I want to prove my point that the worst jew, the worst jew, which is called Judas Ishkariot, had a conscience. And when betrayed Jesus Christ, he gave him the kiss of death. His conscious part of him. And he hanged himself. And I never seen non-jew that is conscious of him by attacking a jew, he shall hang himself. I never seen yet.

 

I said this to French people many times. But I’m French. I live with French more than the jews. If I speak French just as fluent as Yiddish.

 

Ernst Zundel: Are we a bit far off the point, don’t you think?

 

Caller 2: Go ahead. No, no, This is a good point. Pardon me. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. I’ll listen to you. Then ask me question.

 

Ernst Zundel: No. You guys want to repeat all my arguments and call me and find out that I was a real liar and spreader of poison?

 

Caller 2: Yeah. I prove it to you and I mean it. If I said the word liar, it’s too mild. But I wouldn’t use any more of this word. I’ll debate with you like man to man. I’ll debate with you like man to man without any insults anymore.

 

Ernst Zundel: Would you say I’m maybe a super liar?

 

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

 

Ernst Zundel: Maybe I’m a super liar.

 

Caller 2: Well, even this is mild.

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh, well, maybe we can find some other adjectives.

 

Caller 2: Yeah. Anyway. No, no, don’t worry. You’re a coward because when the man put you to the wall, cornered you last time, you ran away because you couldn’t take it.

 

Ernst Zundel: When was that?

 

Caller 2: That was two, three nights ago.

 

Ernst Zundel: Was the same man I spoke to?

 

Caller 2: The same man you spoke to? Yeah. He cornered you and you ran away and then you came back.

 

Ernst Zundel: The same man that I spoke to tonight for one hour that hung up on me!

 

Caller 2: No, no, no, no! You spoke tonight to the jewish family is well eloquent, but you’re still not acquainted well, with jewish history and world history.

 

Host: Right. That’s why I got you on the line, sir.

 

Now if we can dispense with personalities. You have accused the man of being a Nazi and of spreading poison. And you can’t for the life of you see why I permit it on the program. You will have to give me an example of a lie that amounts to spreading poison.

 

Caller 2: Yeah, I’ll give it to you.

 

Host: Good.

 

[13:48]

 

 

Caller 2: Of course, I’ll give it plenty. I got it in my [word unclear] my dear man, I got in my [word unclear].

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

 

Caller 2: And then here I give you the first example.

 

First of all, he said that the jews always lived with the Arabs. And first in harmony all the time, the Semite Arabs, I mean. And Palestine around there in the Middle East. The jews were always persecuted by the Arabs in Casablanca they had no right to walk on the sidewalk. Just like the negro had no right to walk in Alabama. Exactly the same thing for the last, 2,000 years! People in Casablanca lived in a ghetto and they couldn’t go out and they couldn’t show their faces, number one.

 

Ernst Zundel: But I didn’t say it’s the same.

 

Caller 2: No, no, no, no! You said once before. Not tonight. You said before the jews lived well with the Arabs. And I know history. You don’t know my history, but I know your history, my friend.

 

Ernst Zundel: I never said that.

 

Caller 2: Yeah, you said it last time. I’m not speaking tonight. And many Arabs made the statement that the jews never fought with the Arabs before. They lived in harmony, they understood each other, they were brotherly till the zionism came. I’m not a Zionist. I never will be a Zionist. I’m a jew.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Lipman, why not.

 

Caller 2: What?

 

Ernst Zundel: What are the points that you differ with zionism?

 

Caller 2: What are the points differ what?

 

Ernst Zundel: Can you give us points where you differ with zionism?

 

Caller 2: Speak louder. I can’t hear good.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr Lipman.

 

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

 

Ernst Zundel: Why would you not be a Zionist?

 

Caller 2: Why?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

 

Caller 2: Because theoretically I don’t agree with them.

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, in other words, you wouldn’t say that the idea of zionism to found a jewish homeland in Palestine, …

 

Caller 2: Yes.

 

Ernst Zundel: Doesn’t please you?

 

Caller 2: Yeah. It doesn’t mean to say that I’m a Zionist, because if jews have to have a home. First, I’m a Canadian and first, the 6 million jews are Americans, they’re not Zionist. Not all of them are Zionists. If they’re Zionist, some of them is their business. But I’m not. I’m speaking myself.

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah, but listen, I’m very interested.

 

Caller 2: Yes, yeah, I’ll do to you. I’ll give it to you.

 

Ernst Zundel: Very good.

 

Caller 2: Well, all right. If Mr. Bell permit a time, I’ll give it to you as much as you want.

 

Host: Well, you have seven minutes, sir.

 

Caller 2: Okay, then listen. I made a statement that if I’m not mistaken to Mr. Bell that we jews in Europe before the Hitler Holocaust, before the Nazis tried to spit their dirt in the world, we jews fought zionism with all our might in the street because we find it impractical! We said that we live in Europe 10,050 years. We have more right to demand our rights in Europe and live there than to the rights on Palestine. Right? Listen to this. Just a moment. I’ll give it to you. This story. We had a jewish organization which is called Bund.

 

Ernst Zundel: Oh yes, I know about this.

 

Caller 2: Yeah, you know everything. Hey, you’re a real Nazi! You know all the information!

 

Host: Sir, you asked him if he knew. He said yes, he knew!

 

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

 

Host: I said you asked him if he was aware of a certain fact. He admitted to being aware of the fact.

 

[16:46]

 

 

Caller 2: Okay.

 

Anyway, I’m hearing the Nazi organization, the jewish bund, which is a socialistic organization, they didn’t believe that the sand of Palestine shall be recultivated. And they said we have no right to think of Palestine because it’s impractical. Because the jews are living at their roots are in Europe. They live 10,050 years. And we shall try to fight our best for the rights of the jews which they entitled to.

 

Host: Which agrees with what the caller number one read from the encyclopedia. So I would assume that the encyclopedia is basically Zionist in its thinking.

 

Caller 2: I beg your pardon? I didn’t hear that.

 

Host: Did you hear me caller number one?

 

Ernst Zundel: I did.

 

Host: Would you agree with that?

 

Caller 2: Did you repeat that? I didn’t hear all this conversation tonight.

 

Host: Well, what you just said is similar to what the caller number one read from a Jewish Encyclopedia.

 

Caller 2: What do you read?

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, you will listen.

 

Host: Well, what you said, sir, basically what you said is what he read from the encyclopedia. So I am suggesting that because the other gentleman questioned the encyclopedia, I am suggesting that conceivably it is a Zionist publication.

 

Ernst Zundel: I suppose so.

 

Host: Would you say that does sound reasonable to you, number one?

 

Ernst Zundel: Not really, no. I don’t think that the Jewish Encyclopedia that I’m referring to is a Zionist publication.

 

Host: Well, curiously, it’s, …

 

Ernst Zundel: Let’s say, it saying the same thing.

 

Host: I shouldn’t have said that. I should have said, as I phrased it the first time Zionist in its, …

 

Caller 2: Mr. Bell, let me explain, please. Mr. Bell.

 

Host: Yeah, okay, go ahead.

 

Caller 2: I know my history well and I can explain it. And even a man who is 100% against the jews, you cannot refute my argument because the truth speaks for itself. You can expose, you cannot expose the truth! You can expose a lie.

 

Host: Right? Well, again, that’s why I brought you on the line because you know, we have had a number of discussions based on jewish history. And you do know jewish history.

 

Caller 2: I’ve had many conversations with ardent jew baiters in Quebec City. And I spoke with a man two and a half hours and in his hotel, and there was pleasant 20 Frenchmen. And he spoke the same language as Hitler and I exposed out of him and the Frenchman, which is a wonderful people. The moment he sees the truth, he came over. And he slapped him in the back and he said to him, you lost your discussion because the jew had the best of you! You see.

 

Ernst Zundel: Listen.

 

Caller 2: Hello.

 

Ernst Zundel: I just would like to find out. You said before that the jews had lived in Europe for 10,050 years.

 

Caller 2: Yes.

 

[19:26]

 

Caller 2: Not 10,050 years. Thousand and fifty. Not 10,000.

 

Ernst Zundel: Okay.

 

Caller 2: If you know history, man!

 

Ernst Zundel: Well, I wonder if it is your, …

 

Caller 2: I wish you should know your history as I know! You don’t know your history. You just try to, …

 

Host: Well, I suggested that we not engage in personalities. We try to stick to the facts. So if you’ll proceed sir, …

 

Caller 2: I want to speak about the bund.

 

Host: Yeah, well the seven minutes you had is now three minutes.

 

Caller 2: Well, I don’t know. What can I do? Listen, you gave him so much time. You don’t give me time, Mr. Bell.

 

Host: I’m giving you time to make your case. But you are wasting all of your time by engaging in personalities.

 

Caller 2: You spend so much time to give him and you don’t give me time to explain to refute the argument.

 

Host: Well, you are one of many callers who are calling in to refute the argument. But you’re wasting your time with personality.

 

Caller 2: I’m not talking out of my people either. Like the rabbis, the rabbi. The rabbis, the religious rabbi were against Palestine too before it the holocaust of Hitler. Because they, from religious point of view, they believe that Messiah has to come. And they [word unclear] evil freedom. And the [word unclear] jew didn’t believe in that. He believed that we had to free ourselves with our own capability and with our own power.

 

And that’s why they fought those Zionists in the streets of Warsaw, in the streets of other places where jews live. That we shall fight for our rights in Europe. But here came Hitler and many Hitlers. He said after we lived in Europe 1,050 years, we are fifth class citizens and they try to destroy us. And we had to leave against our own will. So every jew, even a non-zionist like me, I’m a non-zionist. I came to convince that every jew, a jew is supposed to have a home. And where he lives, if he hasn’t got a home, his place is in Israel. And if he’s got a home in Canada, he has no business to think of Israel. Except, shall I say spiritually and financially he could help and morally. But as far as physically, it’s got nothing in common with Israel. You hear me?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I hear you.

 

Caller 2: I beg your pardon?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes, I hear you very loud and clear, sir.

 

Caller 2: You hear me?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yes.

 

[21:43]

 

 

Caller 2: Okay. So it shows you that a man like me that was against Zionist and yet many times debates in Europe against zionism and we.

 

And today I’m 100% backing Israel because every jew that knows after what we went through. Wait a minute. Besides that, I want., … This is not the point. I want the proof, facts, never mind statistics. You, I want to [words unclear] from the subject. The compensation that the Germans give these murderers that murdered 6 million jews. I don’t mean the German people, the German rulers. I don’t accuse the German people. I accuse the German ruler.s These German rulers and that killed the people. They paid their [word unclear]. They took away 10 times, 10 times 100 times as much as they give. And what they give, they give you one cent of their own. That was American taxpayers money. Because Eisenhower and the rest of the American people, I mean that’s the American rulers, not the people, wanted to whitewash their crime and to give them asylum and those that will run away from there and to give them as anti-[word unclear] against whatever political views they have. And they wanted to keep them in line to whitewash their faces. Because you cannot whitewash a criminal! Every criminal is a criminal!

 

Ernst Zundel: What crimes did Eisenhower commit against jews?

 

Caller 2: When he said “let bygones be bygones”. When he’s seen himself what happened in Belsenberg, he see with his own eyes the way the jews, … The English bulldozers were cleaned away to their grave because they couldn’t come near to them. They had to use bulldozers. And he had the nerve, the audacity to say that bygones be bygones after what he’s seen. That no human being can finish him like that, what he’s seen.

 

Ernst Zundel: And for that statement he paid $4 billion American dollars. Right?

 

Caller 1: And not him alone! The only paying behind them, the rulers, not the American people. The American people, the taxpayers pay. But he forced them to pay $4 billion to build out the Germany. Isn’t it seen that Germany has to lend money now to Canada. And she was defeated by us.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr Lipman, who was the gang behind Eisenhower?

 

Caller 2: What was the gang?

 

Ernst Zundel: Yeah.

 

Caller 2: All these Republican wheelers and dealers. All these Republican wheelers and dealers. And the same time applies not only the American wheelers and dealers. Applies to the Canadian wheelers and dealers. Applies to the English wheelers and dealers. I’m not speaking of people, the people are innocent. The jews, the Arabs are innocent. The English are innocent. The Americans are innocent. They are suckers!

 

Ernst Zundel: Are the German innocent?

 

Caller 2: The Germans are innocent to a certain extent. But one thing I say the Germans never express themselves to the, at least not all them are guilty. How shall I say morally they are guilty, but not physically. Because not everyone participates in the murder of the jews. It’s stupid to say that! But at least they should have collective shame. They didn’t even express collective shame. I didn’t see a German yet to bow his head and say:

 

“We are sorry what happened to the jews!”

 

They still stick to their own.

 

[24:54]

 

 

Host: Gentlemen, we’re a couple of minutes late with the 2 o’clock news and we have to break for it now.

 

Caller 2: Hey, anyway, listen. Don’t allow this poison to be spread. Let him go and hang himself like Ribbentrop!

 

Host: Well, sir, you’ve been on for some time and you still haven’t given us an example of poison.

 

Ernst Zundel: Mr. Roberts.

 

Host: Well, [chuckling] he hung up on us again. Since the program as of next Monday starts running around 9:00. Complete idiot or something. I fail to see why I am being accused of being anti-Israeli. The caller on the line right now has stated a time or two that he is not anti-Israeli.

 

Ernst Zundel: Not at all Mr. Bell. I have no reason for anti-Israeli. Like in every other subject you must look at all sides in as unemotionally as possible. Now I know Mr. Lipman, I have heard of him. I also have read. I read all the jewish papers. I know what they are saying. I understand that they are very much involved. And I deplore the bloodshed in Israel. I deplore the terrorist raids against Israel. That’s why I suggested a very humble suggestion. I have stressed that and stressed it again. Possibly this might prove a way out. But I’m definitely not anti-Israeli! And everybody that knows me at university and has read my political party program when I was running for the Liberal Party, everybody knows. And I am a card carrying member of the Liberal Party. I am not, as one the first caller suggested, a neo-Nazi, or a Nazi as the second caller suggested. I don’t see where name calling gets us. If I am something. I am a young man that will have to live on this planet for a good long time. I hope 40, 50 years. And so my two sons that they are born in Canada by a Canadian mother.

 

So you see, all I am saying is I don’t want the world to blow up. So as a young man, a student at University of Political Science, I’m saying, have I maybe got an original thought? Is that a crime? I don’t want to offend anybody or hurt anybody. I’m just making this as a I hope a legitimate suggestion. Now if some of my figures are wrong, then I am sorry. I will certainly call these people back and I will certainly tomorrow call the Israeli consulate and find out what they have to say.

 

Host: Right, good. I’m glad you committed yourself to that.

 

Ernst Zundel: I definitely will do that.

 

Host: Fine. Would you say standby please and on CKGM. Good morning, sir.

 

Caller 3: [words unclear] I’ll hang up.

 

Host: Pardon?

 

Caller 3: [word unclear]

 

Host: Yeah, go right ahead, sir.

 

Caller 3: An upline show. I’m not by CKGS, the forum of healthy controversy and exchange of opinion.

 

Host: That’s true.

 

Caller 3: Yes. About two hours ago I opened the radio. I listened to some enormous deliberate distortions of facts! So that I was unable to go to sleep.

 

Actually I should have been in bed now because I had moved [word unclear] very early in the morning. But I couldn’t go to sleep. It’s a person whom I heard already a few times. In fact a few weeks ago he called Mr. David Bassett. As I answered later. He started to throw in figures like $14 billion. And he said that the figures were supplied by the German consulate.

 

Of course this is a lie! And after Geobbel’s said:

 

“Repeat a lie a thousand times and people will believe it!”

 

It’s such a big lie! I don’t know because he doesn’t seem ignorant because I don’t know if he realizes what $14 billion means. Here I have the figures in the latest. The New Middle East issue of December. It’s a monthly issue. A monthly paper issued in London. And they give the figures between. It’s a study about Israeli economy and they give the capital in different tables. And one table I see capital import sby major [word unclear]. From 1950 to 1967, 17 years German personal institutions $1, 190,000. German reparation. It just means to the government.

 

Host: I assume you mean 1,019,000,000.

 

Caller 3:1, 190,000,000. Yes.

 

Host: Yeah.

 

Caller 3: German reparation means to the government, [word unclear] which gives a total of over $1, 900,000,000, from 1950 to 1967. This is one fact. And this gentleman started to come with a figure like 15 billion.

 

And then he changed. He said maybe 7 billion. And then I don’t know.

 

[30:27]

 

 

Caller 4: (female) [garbled voice] What happened to the jews. It doesn’t matter whether it’s jews. Any nationality. It’s hard. It’s trans to me shaking. And you said you don’t give a damn. Those words are you in my ears. And the doctors and nurses that hurt you and shame on you’re not a nice man. You’re a nervous man. You’re crazy! You’re not just saying the clay. You’re just soft. Good relaxing voice in the middle of the night. People like to hear a nice soft voice so we get.

 

Host: Well, they can listen to Red Gail, ma’am. He’s got a nice soft voice.

 

Caller 4: [garbled] They told me that you’re cold one day. Yes. You want to even send a meter down for you’re a nervous. Look, you’re not for this job. Get out the way and give the job to Mr. Lagock or Mr. McCray or all these nice boys who have a little bit of heart and knowledge of everything. You are cruel, man! Very cruel. And you did say that you don’t give a damn what happened to those poor people in the ovens. And you know it! You and your passions are. You have any. And goodbye. Okay.

 

Host: So I can’t know who she is. Not only do I know who she is, I know she’s been here longer. Because when we taped the call yesterday, and when we taped the threats she’s made against my life, it was compared with another tape when I was not even here.

 

But she also threatened Hank [word unclear] ’s life. And we have a tape of that also.

 

So I suggest to the ladies and if you want me to prove who you are, call back. I’ll tell you off the air who you are because we. There’s a lot of people who know you and have been calling us off the air, suggesting that no matter what you say, you’re not dangerous. But let me put it this way. If there’s another threat of the nature that you have made through Hank and to make myself, I’ll do everything in my power to have you committed.

 

Nightline.

 

Caller 5: Hello, Mr. Bell?

 

Host: Yeah. Nightline.

 

Caller 5: Hello.

 

Host: Yes, Right. Nightline.

 

Caller 5: Is that Nightline?

 

Host: It is.

 

Caller 5: Is that you, Robert Bell?

 

Host: Yes, it is.

 

Caller 5: Okay. I’d like to know what the hell the conflict about anti-semitism was.

 

Host: Well, it’s all starting. Started with the, …

 

Caller 5: Let me make myself a little clearer. I am the Anno Automata for sale.

 

Host: Oh, yeah, yeah.

 

Caller 5: Now, I listen to the two babes yelling at each other and you played a kind of neutral role. Now, where do you stand?

 

Host: Where do I stand at? One was attacking me, one was defending me. I guess I stand with the one who defends me. [chuckling]

 

Caller 5: I’m not interested in whether they attacked or defended. But did anybody have some right to say what they said?

 

Host: No.

 

Caller 5: Come on, you can do a little better than that!

 

Host: Well, you asked if they had a right to say what they said. They have a right to say what they want. Of course. Assume you mean say, …

 

Caller 5: I mean, did they reflect something you’ve done in the last couple of days or said in the last couple of days, pro-or anti?

 

Host: No. What was referred to? I answered the charge. The charge was that I said I did not give a damn. What I said was during the course of a hysterical conversation where the lady was screaming and hollering at me.

 

Caller 5: Keep the conversation out of it. But what is your feeling?

 

Host: My feeling about what, sir?

 

Caller 5: I think the charge was anti-semitism and pro-semitism or what?

 

Host: That’s right. Yes. Huh. Do you know what anti-semitism indicates?

 

Caller 5: All right, you tell me. What does it indicate?

 

[34:15]

 

 

Host: Well, for one thing, a Semite is descended from Shem. So this. This includes Arabs and Israelis.

 

Caller 5: Yeah, they were blood tests, as I recall.

 

Host: That’s right. They’re all Semites.

 

Caller 5: Right.

 

Host: Now, in the context that most people use it, which is incorrect, anti-semitism denotes anti-jewishness.

 

Caller 5: Well, yeah, but it’s sort of in a practical sense that you can accuse [word unclear] ’s at pragmatic. It sort of is the way it works. Right.

 

Host: Right.

 

Caller 5: Okay. Now let’s go back to what I listened to. These two broads, two young ladies that were talking to you. I couldn’t figure out what the hell is happening because I tuned in a little late and I haven’t listened to program for the last couple of days.

 

Host: Well, one called me a Hitler and one said I wasn’t.

 

Caller 5: Well, what the hell is the real score?

 

Host: Well, we’ve been dealing with the Middle East situation.

 

Caller 5: Right. And?

 

Host: And there are Arabs who say I am anti-Arab, and there are Arabs who say I am pro-Arab. There are jews who say I’m anti-Israeli, and there are jews who say I am pro-Israeli.

 

Caller 5: I don’t give a damn what you are! I’d rather you told me what you are!

 

Host: Well, [chuckling] if you don’t give a damn what I am, that doesn’t follow. Are you trying to ascertain with whom my sympathies lie in the Middle East dispute?

 

Caller 5: No, no, the point isn’t. I’ll correct myself. I didn’t mean to say. I don’t give a damn what you are. What I really meant to say was I want you to tell me what you think.

 

Host: I think, you’re talking about the Middle East situation?

 

Caller 5: That’s what you told me you were talking about.

 

Host: Right now there is a state, a Republic called Israel, in that area.

 

Caller 5: Was established in 1948.

 

Host: Right.

 

Caller 5: By the United Nations.

 

Host: Right.

 

Caller 5: And I’m sorry, go ahead.

 

Host: Anyway, the state is in existence. The Arab world does not recognize the existence of this state.

 

Caller 5: Well, they don’t do it. Well, they sort of recognize it, but they don’t recognize it from a political point of view.

 

Host: Right. My position is it is there. To me it exists. I recognize it. There will never be a relaxing of the state of hostility until the Arab world accepts the existence. There are many reasons why they do not accept the existence.

 

Caller 5: I follow you. Go ahead.

 

[36:47]

 

 

Host: Now in allowing Arabs to come on the line or anyone to come on the line and explain the other position, I opened myself to being charged with being anti-Israeli. The term has been anti-semitism and second Hitler and so on and so forth.

 

Caller 5: Wow! Second Hitler. You have a mustache.

 

Host: No, I don’t.

 

Caller 5: Okay. [chuckling] And you’re not a second Hitler. No. But have you made any pronouncements that have made these broads talk the way they do?

 

Host: No. Except in a private conversation with the hysterical one.

 

Caller 5: You shouldn’t have had a private, …

 

Host: I know I shouldn’t have!

 

Caller 5: This is the first place., …

 

Host: And I rarely break that rule! I rarely talk to anybody except on the air. And whenever I do, I’ve done it twice. [chuckling] It’s bad news.

 

But anyway, I did, fortunately, because of the equipment here. Taken the precaution of taping, you know,. So and also I taped her threats against my life and so on so forth.

 

Caller 5: [word unclear] this provocative conversation that set me up to this hour. My wife is listening here we have seen it.

 

[buzzer sounds]

 

Mr. Bell?

 

Host: Yeah.

 

Caller 5: When and if I hear you saying something wrong, I’ll get on and be even more malicious than these young ladies can be. Will you tell them to control their emotions and bring a little bit of rationalization or rationale to their conversation? I’m the guy who told you a couple of weeks ago that you are too patient with some of these idiots. Remember the day, …

 

Host: I don’t remember the conversation, but I do remember, …

 

Caller 5: I remember listening about five minutes later and some drunken old gal got on and she said:

 

“Well that pseudo intellectual comes on and tells us to be rational.”

 

 

Remember that?

 

Host: Yeah, vaguely.

 

Caller 5: Okay, that’s where I remember. No, but kidding aside, I’d like to hear your position on it. If there is a position or if you have a position and you’re going to be attacked no matter what your position.

 

Host: True, I’m in the position, the historical position of the jews who I’m damned if I do and damned if I don’t but I have stated that I am basically., … Pardon?

 

Caller 5: I said being a jew, I know what the name of the game is.

 

Host: Ah.

 

Caller 5: Go ahead.

 

Host: Anyway, I have said that, as with most of the Western world, my sympathies are with the jews in this matter. In other words, I would be more, …

 

[39:24]

 

 

Caller 5: I’m not even sure I am a Democrat sympathetic to the jews. I think the Arabs have got a you know, they got a lot of problems. And I’m being facetious at the moment. But not completely because I think there are a lot of poor people, poor uneducated people that could benefit by what Israel could contribute to the Middle East. Not looking at something, not looking at it from a Westerner point of view, but just looking at it from the point of view of what fits to the Middle East. I think that the jews that have come there, who are mostly Europeans, highly educated, highly sophisticated, you know, technologically skillful, they could, you know, remake the goddamn Arab world and they’re ready to do it! I don’t mean every one of them. I’m not talking about orthodox religion, I’m talking about the people who would do it!

 

And I think that that the whole damn Middle East has become a boiling pot for western both politics and Soviet, US deal and they’ve lost sight. And guys like Nasser and maybe some of the jewish leaders too, have lost sight of the fact that if they want to make something good for their people, which is presumably what we’re all born to do, they’ve got to stop playing games, stop worrying about whether Mr. [word unclear] is an anti-semite because I don’t give a damn if he is, but if you are, don’t walk across the street with me at the same time, [host chuckled] stop giggling! I think if they., …

 

Host: That was a chuckle, sir.

 

Caller 5: Pardon?

 

Host: That was a chuckle.

 

Caller 5: I don’t know. You might have burped. I think the point is that if we really care about the Middle East for the Middle East sake, then we ought to tell the Arabs, and I think the jews have been trying to do that they don’t always do it very carefully. But then again, the gentile world hasn’t done it very gently all the time either.

 

If you want to cooperate. Cooperate. You want to be a bunch of silly [buzzer]. You know, just. Did I hear any deep beats?

 

Host: I don’t know what he’s doing in there.

 

Caller 5: Something to either.

 

Host: I think he may be softening your conversation a bit. It’s a little colorful.

 

Caller 5: Who’s the he?

 

Host: Pardon?

 

Caller 5: I said who’s the he?

 

Host: My engineer.

 

Caller 5: I thought it was a censor. No, I think if you want to tell him, keep on with your own idiocy and keep up this nonsense in this part of the world, fine. I think the jews by any right have a right to Israel. And it’s debatable, but they are there and they’re a force for good so long as the Arab world wants to accept them. The Arab world wants to [word unclear] you on any kind of silly nonsense like filthy punk termite Carmichael that Canadians don’t own Canada because the Eskimos was here first and we are in a democracy because the Indians owned it first. Then you can listen to these guys and they’re right up to a point, and they’re seeing a certain amount of social injustice. But deep down, Israel the jews, have a right to that land on any international basis. And they proved it by virtue of their skill. And they could make the Arab lands richer, healthier.

 

Now their emotionalism is going to say:

 

“We don’t want the jews, we want our land back. We want to go back to the 17th century.”

 

Then, okay, they have a right to do that they have a right to do as Arabs, as Nasser did in 1968, 67, remember?

 

Host: Yes.

 

[44:07]

 

 

Caller 5: He said on Sunday:

 

“We’ll throw them into the ocean!”

 

The jew said:

 

“Look, if we’re going to be thrown into the ocean, like Mr, we’re not going to let you do that. We’re going to do the best we can to stop you.”

 

So then the rest of the world said:

 

“The jews were the aggressors.”

 

Because they sort of stopped the guy that would throw them into the ocean from throwing them to the ocean. Mr Bell, do you have anything to contribute?

 

Host: No. You’re saying, in effect what has been said over the past few days. And I have said over and over again, you know, there are three sides to the story. There’s the Arab side, there’s the Israeli side, and then there’s the truth! Because the Israelis are blinded on one side, the Arabs are blinded on one side. And you cannot be objective over an issue like this. It’s impossible! This is why it is fairly obvious that, at least it should be fairly obvious that I am. You know, if I have to be one or the other. I’m basically pro-Israeli. However, …

 

Caller 5: … Myself., … Problem.

 

Host: No, but that’s just my personal feeling.

 

Caller 5: But I gotta wait and that’s my problem. Now you go ahead.

 

Host: Yeah. Now, I think it cannot be objective. That does not preclude your being fair. And that is what I try to do, functioning on this program. I try to be fair.

 

In other words, there are these sides to be heard. And of course, because it’s an emotional issue and you cannot be objective about it. And I don’t expect anyone to be objective about it, I open for myself to incredible criticizm and threats against my life and so on and so forth.

 

Caller 5: Why don’t you expect anybody to be objective about it?

 

Host: I don’t see how it’s possible.

 

Caller 5: Why?

 

Host: Because it is such a highly charged emotional issue.

 

Caller 5: Pardon?

 

Host: Because it is such a highly charged emotional issue on both sides.

 

Caller 5: [buzzer sounds] Highly emotional? The French-Canadian separatism problem, the problem of the atom bomb, the problem of communism, of separatism, of everything. These are all highly emotional issues! No, I think you’re right. Most people are not capable of being objective. Including me and maybe you. I’m not including you because that’s your prerogative. But I don’t think it’s valid. Can’t be reasonably objective.

 

Host: Right. When I say, you know, ideally, objectivism or to be objective, it would be an ideal way to deal with it. But because it is unlikely, I say that there is no reason why you shouldn’t be fair.

 

Caller 5: Fair?

 

Host: I’m using that in place of the objectivity that you could use in reacting to another issue. In this particular type of issue, as I say, objectivity is unlikely. Are you open to taking a call, sir?

 

Caller 5: Pardon?

 

Host: Are you open to taking a call?

 

Caller 5: I’ll take any calls at all!

 

Host: Go right ahead.

 

Caller 1: (female) Good evening.

 

Host: Good evening.

 

Caller 1: May I please speak to the gentleman who’s on with you now?

 

Host: Yes, go ahead.

 

Caller 1: Listen, Mr, I don’t know your name, but anyway, Mr Bell hasn’t been leveling with you at all!

 

Caller 5: Hello here. Would you talk a little louder?

 

Caller 1: Right. Mr. Bell hasn’t been leveling with you at all! Did you hear the night line last night? From 12 o’clock till 5 o’clock this morning?

 

Caller 5: Oh, dear! I Was busy sleeping, I think.

 

Caller 1: Well, let me. And it was obvious to everybody who was listening. It took a few hours, he [words unclear] that this man was upsetting every jewish person in Montreal.

 

Caller 5: Now, baby doll, he wasn’t upsetting me.

 

Caller 1: Well, he wasn’t upsetting you?

 

Caller 5: No, I wasn’t listening to him then.

 

Caller 1: He was upsetting me.

 

Caller 5: Okay, I’m sorry if he upset you. What did he do to you, [word unclear] idiot?

 

Caller 1: This neo-Nazi carried on for five hours!

 

Caller 5: What did he say?

 

Caller 1: He spoke all sorts of nonsense! We had very articulate jewish people on the line. We had very hysterical people on the line, people who had lost all their relations.

 

Caller 5: Okay, but what did Mr. Bell do?

 

Caller 1: Mr. Bell was absolutely neutral if he had anything to do. He gave the other chap all the time. He gave some people seven minutes. He gave some people a little longer.

 

Caller 5: I hear. Would you hold on for a minute? Okay. Mr Bell?

 

Host: Yeah.

 

Caller 5: You there?

 

Host: I am.

 

Caller 5: Did you do that?

 

Host: No, I did not. The gentleman was on the line, but in terms of time, my time and his time put together did not anywhere near equal the time in opposition, which, in effect was the jewish side.

 

Caller 1: He kept the man on five hours!

 

Host: Madam, I’m sorry. The jewish callers kept him on.

 

Caller 1: Mr Bell there were two callers. You gave them seven minutes, even then if they came back. I tried to get the line for five solid hours!

 

Host: Right. Now. When you add up all what we’ll call the jewish time and put it, let’s say, against the caller and my time and the news, you’ll find that the jewish callers had proportionately more time.

 

Now, I did not keep him on. The callers kept him on.

 

Caller 1: He kept me on the air for five hours with my position and [word unclear] beat the Arab people, I have no issue with Arabs coming on the line and explaining their side.

 

[49:52]

 

 

Host: Madam, when you called up, you want to talk to this gentleman, and I said:

 

“That’s fine.”

 

Now, if somebody calls up and wants to talk to you, that’s fine, too. You can hang on if you don’t object to taking their calls.

 

Caller 1: But I wanted to tell this gentleman that you were not telling him what went on last night, keeping him [words unclear] natural offender.

 

Caller 5: Dear, you listen to me for a minute. I didn’t listen to the conversation last night.

 

Caller 1: But I’m telling you I’m not, …

 

Caller 5: Hey, dear, I heard you and I got the message. Bell must be a rotten. Mr. Bell, you listening?

 

Host: Yeah.

 

Caller 5: Well, you must be kind of some kind of pervert! But he also is a very confident man that’s handling this kind of job. Are you listening, dear?

 

Caller 1: Yes.

 

Caller 5: Maybe from time to time, this kind of job is a battle. So don’t attack him until he tells you he’s an anti-semite.

 

[sound cut out]

 

Host: I mention to you that we are undergoing some technical difficulties. I have three engineers and they’re working on it. So you will be cutting out from time to time? Possibly. It’s unfortunate, but that’s where it has to be for the moment.

 

Caller 1: Is that Mr. Bell speaking?

 

Host: Yeah.

 

Caller 2: (female) I am the third party, Mr. Bell, and I would appreciate very much. Even if it’s off the air, I would appreciate to speak to that gentleman and, …

 

Caller 5: And Just a minute, dear.

 

Caller 2: Is it possible?

 

Host: Well, you’re talking to him now, ma’am.

 

Caller 2: Thank you.

 

Caller 5: Mr. Bell.

 

Host: Yes, sir.

 

Caller 5: Okay. I’m Hope, Chief Charity. And I said you’re Faith, …

 

Caller 2: Sir.

 

Host: So we have Faith, Hope and Charity on the line.

 

Caller 2: I am a human being. This is what happened. I appreciate the fact that you got, …

 

Caller 5: I wasn’t there and I didn’t look there, …

 

Caller 2: I appreciate the fact that you got out. The fate of the whole situation. I am not going to, … You know what that means?

 

Caller 5: I don’t speak that language. But go ahead, dear.

 

Caller 2: Oh, yes you do.

 

Caller 1: And I know what you mean.

 

Caller 2: You do?

 

Caller 1: Yes, I do.

 

Caller 2: Well, listen, the woman pulled up, …

 

Caller 5: How many women? Mr Bell.

 

Host: Yeah.

 

Caller 5: How many women, …

 

Host: Sir, you’re cutting out. Would you mind repeating what you said?

 

[52:32]

 

 

Caller 2: Hey, I said I appreciate the fact that the judgment got [word unclear] It saved the whole situation because that’s what we need, more brilliant people on the line, not just trusted on. If he’s such a hardened nurse, why listen to the stomach sickness in these days. Why isn’t she nursing? That’s the nurse I’m speaking of now, the gentleman was saying that the two women were young. I am in [word unclear] for the last two weeks, sir. And I heard everything. I heard the Sterling fellow and everybody. And I couldn’t cope with the way that both of the women were attacking Mr. Bell And I faced him. I came to his rescue. I don’t know if he cares to. There was such excitement. Well, why can’t Mr. Bell defend himself? He’s quite capable of defending himself. Oh, are you the lady? I’m the lady. Are you still the you call yourself a lady too? I’m not yelling at. I came on to speak to the gentlemen, and to Mr. Bell. I want to have a full weight.

 

Caller 1: [words unclear]

 

Caller 2: You’re not saying anything else, but the same thing all over again.

 

Caller 1: Please believe me. You didn’t believe me that I am jewish. I want to tell you I had more friends than you will ever have and I never had any misunderstanding with any one of them.

 

Caller 2: Mr. Bell, I came on. And you called me an anti-semite.

 

Host: All right, well, just moment. Let’s take space for a second. Go ahead.

 

Caller 5: Faith, faithful and charity.

 

Caller 2: Mr Bell, I came onto the air.

 

Host: Yeah.

 

Caller 2: To the gentleman, may I have my chance? May this lady please come on later.

 

Caller 1: Yeah, I’ll wait.

 

Caller 2: Well, I’ll be the judge of that, ma’am. Just stand by you have been designated Faith, hope and charity. Madam, you are Faith. Go ahead.

 

Caller 2: Now, Mr. Bell, if you knew that you were a upsetting so many people last night for five hours, why didn’t you cut this man? Why didn’t you stop the whole thing?

 

Host: Because upsetting one is no basis for cutting anyone off the air. We’ve had other discussions. I won’t even mention what they are, but they have upset people too.

 

Now, no matter what you talk about, if you’re dealing with an emotional issue, you’re going to upset people. And that just narrows what we, … I don’t want to get into budgie birds and puppies dogs and, …

 

Caller 2: Neither do I Mr Bell. But the whole point is this, that you knew quite well that the jewish people of this city whose relations are in Israel who are going to part of the war are in a panic anyway. You don’t need neo-Nazis to put us into a bigger panic!

 

[55:20]

 

 

Host: Well, you see, you’re accusing someone of being a neo-Nazi. That is your opinion. You are entitled to it. It is not my opinion and I am running the show.

 

Caller 2: Hey, but what about all the dozens of others or [words unclear] and accuse him of being a neo-Nazi too?

 

Host: Well, what about the dozens and dozens of calls that came in not accusing of being a neo-Nazi?

 

Caller 2: Because you really compare the intelligence of the few people who called you up to compliment you and say:

 

“Oh, Mr Bell, we enjoy your show. Carry on. You do the good work.”

 

To these people who came on this articulate woman last night, who gave you the position of Israel to the man who comes on pretty often. Do you know that this particular Nazi, and we probably do know by now, does not get onto Mr. Burns, sir, Mr. Burns says:

 

“I smell this Nazi and he never gets onto that show!”

 

So if Mr. Burns thinks he’s a Nazi, surely you appreciate Mr Burns intelligence? I mean, really, Mr. Bell, there’s something so sadistic about you and this man and this, …

 

Caller 5: Hey, doll, can I interrupt?

 

Host: Yes, sir, go right ahead, Hope.

 

Caller 5: Dear, I haven’t heard a thing and I didn’t listen to the program last night, but I haven’t heard of a thing that Mr. Bell did last night. I was wrong to start [word unclear] some character talk. Did he do anything other than that?

 

Caller 2: Do you want me to answer?

 

Caller 5: Yes, you’re the one that’s caught me.

 

Caller 2: He upset people to such an extent, …

 

Caller 5: No, no, I’m asking you a question here.

 

Caller 2: Yes. This is one of the suggestions he made, that the Israelis should pay the refugees reparation.

 

Caller 5: I think it’s a pretty goddamn [buzzer sounds] I’m all of the, … Go ahead.

 

Caller 2: Would you like the 6 million jews plus the 28 million, 24 million other people to come out and also have to pay the reparation? How do you pay for these human lives?

 

Caller 5: Well, I don’t know how you pay for human lives. And you’re right.

 

Caller 2: And don’t you., …

 

Caller 5: Mr Bell.

 

Host: Yes.

 

Caller 5: Just a minute.

 

Host: Yes.

 

Caller 5: Mr. Bell ought to participate.

 

Caller 2: Mr. Bell does not participate!

 

Caller 5: Now, baby doll, quiet down. Quiet down, …

 

Caller 2: I’m not your baby doll.

 

Caller 5: Well, if you’re not my baby doll. You’re somebody else’s.

 

Caller 2: That’s for sure.

 

Caller 5: Okay, fine. Sure. You got to be somebody’s baby doll. Mr. Bell.

 

Host: Yes, sir.

 

Caller 5: Come on! You, sir, participate.

 

Host: All right. In terms of evaluating the lives lost and the caller was on earlier referred to it as a grisly subject, which it is.

 

Caller 2: [buzzer sounds]

 

Host: On one side with his lawyers and a jewish leader on the other side with his lawyers arrived at a settlement. Let’s say. That was a figure was arrived.

 

Caller 5: In relation to what?

 

Host: In relation to the lives lost in Germany.

 

Caller 5: Okay, all right, now I got the message. Go ahead.

 

Host: Well, this term, rather this figure was based on, as the caller mentioned, the fact that a father is responsible for the upbringing of children up to the age of 21. So then the state took over at that point. In terms of other members of the family logic. It was arrived at in similar logic, let’s say a lawyer’s logic, I guess, for lack of a better term.

 

 

Caller 5: Yeah, I got the message. Go ahead.

 

Host: Well, that is all that I’m saying on that point.

 

Caller 5: What the hell is this broad [word unclear] you up?

 

Host: It’s upsetting the jewish population of Montreal.

 

Caller 2: Well, why is it upsetting the jewish population? They know that’s [word unclear] for no reason.

 

Caller 5: You’re not a baby doll. I know. Okay.

 

Caller 2: Isn’t that awful?

 

Caller 5: No. Okay. It’s not awful!

 

Caller 2: Now, what sort of a remark is that from that woman? Isn’t that awful?

 

Host: Well, let’s listen to the [word unclear] charity. Go ahead. Charity.

 

Caller 2: I mean, this is ridiculous! Wouldn’t like to get on three, four times a day.

 

Host: Okay, now Charity is on the line. Go ahead, Charity.

 

Caller 2: There’s a point of this that it’s a well known fact, or it should be to Mr. Bell.

 

Host: One moment. You’re Faith, you’re Faith.

 

Caller 5: I’m sorry. [word unclear] responsibility. Mr. Bell.

 

Host: One moment, sir. One moment, sir.

 

Caller 4: You know you’ll never change that woman’s mind. She sticks to the same story. I shall tell tomorrow to every one.

 

Caller 2: And I discuss this with Mr. Bell. I don’t want that woman on the earth. I have nothing to do.

 

Caller 4: I can say the same things for you, my dear.

 

Caller 2: But I didn’t call up to talk to you, madam.

 

Caller 4: I didn’t talk to you.

 

Caller 2: I mean, you’re just a false spoke to the wheel.

 

Ernst Zundel: I would like my listeners to realize that all three individuals arguing with one another so vehemently are jews. Faith, Hope and Charity. All three are jews! The debate raged on. Much material was brought out and I would like you to have the opportunity to inform yourself further to these issues. You can obtain material book list from us from Zamistad, 206 Carlton Street, Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Postal code M5A 2L1. Telephone number 416-922-9850. [No longer valid]

 

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