Mark Collett: Hello everybody and welcome to Patriotic Weekly Review, episode number 358. We’re live tonight on Odysee, Rumble, DLive and Entropy. Please do share the links wherever you’re watching it. It really helps.

 

And I have to say this every week, but it really helps. When you’re not on X, when you’re locked out, when you’re one of the people that isn’t allowed on social media it really hurts your reach, which is why they do it. If you can help me by sharing it, we’ve got a great guest and a great show coming up. I’ve also been really busy last week. You will have seen the excellent demo we did Nuneaton that was great! There was a review of that up on my channel. Wherever you are watching my content, you can see the review of that. I’m one of the few people who’s active in real life as well as producing content, so please bear that in mind.

 

Also, I’ve got a lot of things coming up later this week. I back on the David Duke show on Thursday after taking a short hiatus. I am also producing a video for Friday. I’ve not done a scripted video for a while, but there was something that came up that wouldn’t really have been suitable for a stream and I wanted to do a scripted video. I hope you guys like it. It’s been a while since I’ve done one of those. They take a lot of effort. I’ve been scripting it out today. Gonna get that produced. I might do it as a premiere though, so when I launch it goes live in multiple places at multiple times. So that rather than it just being a video that gets uploaded, it’s like a premiere. It’s only gonna be about 10, 15 minutes long, but I hope everyone likes it. But quite a bit of effort into making it informative, short and the kind of thing that you’ll be able to share. We won’t be doing any stream on Sunday. We were going to do the A Team on Sunday with Sam Melia returning, but unfortunately we’re not. Unfortunately it just is Easter Sunday this weekend.

 

So we’re not going to be doing a stream on Easter Sunday because I’m sure most people will be with their families. Most people will be spending time with their loved ones, having a nice lamb roast and all of that. And they probably don’t want to do a stream on Sunday.

 

And also I should imagine that many of the people that I do those streams with will be busy Sunday night with their family and won’t want them sort of peeling off to do a stream. But we’ll be back to normal programming the week after. So I will be doing other streams this week, but this will be the only stream I’ll be doing on my channel. The other will be a pre-recorded video which will hopefully be a premiere.

 

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Anyway, we’ve got an amazing guest on the show tonight. I’m lucky enough to have met this man in person. He’s a good friend of mine. We do talk and correspond when we’re not streaming. He not somebody I just message out the blue saying do a stream. We do talk to each other and I really like being in his company actually. He’s one of those people that I’ve met offline, met in the real world and he’s an amazing guy. And he really is the kind of person that you should look up to, you should support because he is the real deal! He’s a true gentleman in the real world as much as he is on stream and he is someone you can look up to. He’s intelligent he keeps himself in good shape, and he helps young men overcome the problems of obesity, inactivity and low testosterone by helping them get in shape, designing them fitness plans. And these things are super important because they help boost people’s confidence, which help them get on in life where they need to be. This guy is a hero of our people, and he’s living in one of the most oppressive nations in the world.

 

Blair, how are you doing, my friend? It’s good to have you back. It’s been a while. I hope you’ve been well.

 

[05:00]

 

Blair Cottrell: I’m doing great, mate. Thanks for the warm welcome, as always, and it’s good to be back. It’s been a little while since our last catch up, our last live catch up, and I think it’s been a few months since I’ve done a live stream as well. The last one I did would have been by myself, but then prior to that, I would regularly stream with my colleague Joel, Joel Davis, who on that point, he’s got a Supreme Court bail hearing today. So Joel’s going for bail today. If you don’t know who Joel is, Joel is a close colleague of mine and an activist known for public demonstrations, public speeches, and streaming down here in Australia. He’s Australian nationalist, very active, very aggressive, and quickly became very popular over the last couple of years. But because of a Telegram post allegedly threatening a politician, Joel’s been in jail. He hasn’t been found guilty of anything, but they’ve held him anyway and they’ve stacked a lot of other charges on him while he’s been in jail, all in relation to, quote, unquote, “hate speech”.

 

So when Mark says, this is one of the most oppressive nations, Australia, my country, is one of the most oppressive nations right now! I’m sure he’s referring to that, among other things. But Joel’s going for bail today and he should get it. I think. I’d be very surprised if the Supreme Court didn’t grant him bail.

 

So if you do know who Joel is and you have supported him, thanks very much. But if you don’t and you’re looking for more information, I’ll send a link to Mark and he can maybe share it with you guys in the comments. But that’s the most pressing part of news for Australia for today.

 

Mark Collett: How’s he holding up? Is he still in good spirits? Because I know that jail affects different people in a different way. And there’s some people who go through the system and they come out of jail and they’re like:

 

“Well, it wasn’t too bad. I met loads of cool people. I’ve got friends, I was popular on the wing.”

 

And there’s other people who have a tough time and they can’t cope with being in there. They get into confrontations. There’s other things that go wrong for them and they just find it very difficult. How is Joel dealing with his time inside?

 

Blair Cottrell: Very well, I think. Especially considering that when he was arrested, his girlfriend was pregnant with his first child. And a few days after he was arrested she was heavily pregnant. Joe she gave birth to their first son. His boy is very healthy. Joel hasn’t actually been able to spend a lot of time with. I think he’s had one visit officially. He’s been in prison for four months and because of his status as a high profile offender, but because of the nature of his offending, because of his politics, basically because of his ideology, Mark, let’s be honest, he’s been classified as a “national security risk or threat” and that means he goes in isolation. He doesn’t get a lot of contact with any people except a select few. He wasn’t even given a Bible or access to a lawyer for a couple of weeks. It took them weeks to get a lawyer back onto his phone list. He’s been kept in pretty low conditions, pretty harsh conditions. But considering all of that, considering that he’s sitting in jail thinking:

 

“God, my girlfriend just had my son and I can’t even hold him.”

 

Considering that he’s holding up pretty well. I’ve spoken to him probably over a dozen times. He isn’t able to call me anymore though. For some reason they just took me off his phone list, and they didn’t explain why, initially, they didn’t explain why. And then they said:

 

“It’s because of your national security classification, you’re not allowed to talk to that person.”

 

But look, I’m hoping that he’s released today. I was hoping to get up because he’s in another state in Australia to me and Australia is a big country. I was hoping to travel up there [from Victoria to NSW] to be there for him today, but I’m not going to be able to make it. But I’m sure a lot of the boys up there will be waiting for him at the front of the Supreme Court. And it’s going to be great to have him out. I’m pretty confident he will get bail. I’ll be really shocked if he doesn’t.

 

If he doesn’t, it just demonstrates that the courts, the judges, could be compromised all the way up to Supreme Court. And if that’s the case, that’s really shocking! And the reason it’s so shocking, …

 

Mark Collett: It wouldn’t shock me.

 

Blair Cottrell: Just so you guys understand the situation, the charge that Joel is being held for is “menacing or harassing someone through a carriage service”, you know, mentioning someone in an online post. It was only one post, okay? It wasn’t actually proven to have caused any harassment or resulted in any damages. That charge is a pretty low tier offence and doesn’t usually result in a term of imprisonment, even when convicted, even when found guilty. It’s got a less than 6.5% rate of imprisonment. That means almost 95% of people who get charged with this never even go to jail. They get bail, they go to court, they might get a fine. That’s it!

 

Joel is being held without being proven guilty, and has been held in a maximum security facility as classified as a national security threat for the last four months. Hasn’t been able to have access to basic rights that other prisoners get access to.

 

And the irony is he was arrested in the same suburb where our worst terror attack in the nation’s history just took place late last year. The Bondi shooting, where a couple of Muslim characters targeted some people on a beach, specifically trying to target jewish people. That terrorist is literally, has literally had access to more rights than Joel. He’s had access to an imam inside the, inside the prison, which is like the you guys probably know this. It’s like our version of a priest. He’s been given a Quran, which is like our version of a Bible. He’s been able to contact friends and family. Joel’s had none of that! Okay? Joel wasn’t given access to a priest. He wasn’t given a Bible. He wasn’t able to call his friends and family. He wasn’t even given access to a lawyer for a while there, all because of his “national security classification”.

 

So that’s the situation. I’m hoping to see him out today, though. He should get bail today.

 

[11:34]

 

Mark Collett: Well, I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t. And I’m not saying that because I want to depress anybody. I’m saying it because it’s just the way I see things. You know, I watch one of my best friends go to jail for stickers that the police said:

 

“Well, the stickers were legal. We are not going to argue the truth of any of them because as far as we can see, they were truthful. But we think they’re intended to stir racial hatred.”

 

Obviously, that’s Sam Melia. I just find that if they want to screw you, they will screw you! And it’s cases like the Rob Rundo case. I mean, Rob Rundo punched a guy on a campus somewhere. Well, okay, punching a guy on a campus, what’s that, three months in jail? You know, a fine. Well, they chased him halfway across the world and deported him on a private jet with a bag over his head, as if he was Osama Bin Laden’s right hand man, for just sticking it on some Leftie at a demo!

 

And I sometimes wonder when we talk about cruelty and police brutality, when the police and the system go for us, they go for us in a way that they would never go for any other group, or have gone for any other group. And I mean, if somebody wants to point out, like there’s another group that have experienced this kind of prejudice, this kind of extreme level of sentencing, this kind of extreme level of persecution, I don’t know, I’ve never heard of it. I mean, you know that there are groups in America, Left-wing groups that committed crimes, horrendous crimes, acts of terrorism. They were all allowed to leave jail and came out and became college and university lecturers and wrote books and became phenomenally wealthy because of their crimes. There are people out there in this country who were serious Muslim terrorists. And there are essentially state funded groups that are there to work out ways to ensure these men get out early. And they all appear to be “reformed”.

 

Whereas with us you might as well just lock us up and throw away the key. And when people like Sam Melia came out of jail, one of the worst things for him is they were like:

 

“Well, you can come out of jail, but you can’t go and live with your family. You’ve got to go and live in a hostel. And you’ve got to be back in the hostel for 7 PM every night. You can’t even playut your kids to bed.”

 

And I sometimes wonder the people behind this, they must be the most soulless, wicked people imaginable! And what they’ve done to Joel is arguably from what you’re saying, I would argue this point is actually worse than what they’ve done to Sam because at least Sam got regular visitation and at least Sam was allowed to move freely in general population, made friends, got a job in prison. It seems with Joel, they’re doing everything they can to break his spirit. I just hope that when he does come out, somehow you guys manage to give him some incredible warm welcome.

 

Blair Cottrell: How is Sam going? Have you been? I didn’t actually catch the stream that you did with him or the show that you just did.

 

Mark Collett: He’s really. He’s doing really well! His book became a number one bestseller on Amazon. He’s doing really well! He’s knocking out the park. He feels really good about everything. You know, obviously he’s been back with his family now for some time. He’s back at protests, he’s back giving speeches. He’s an incredible guy, and I am so pleased that he’s come out of this the other side. And if anything, it’s made him stronger and more sort of dedicated in terms of his “love” for the system. I’m sure that’ll do that for Joel as well, I mean probably Joel better than anyone. How do you think he’ll react when he gets out?

 

Blair Cottrell: I think he’ll be very glad! The first time you go to jail, for whatever reason, I’ve been a long time ago, when I was a young scamp. The first time they release you, the first thing you notice is how green everything is, because you don’t see trees or grass, especially not in Australian prison. Everything’s just concrete and you don’t see the horizon. There’s just this huge concrete wall on the outside of your field of vision.

 

So the size, the scale of society, of the world and how green it is, you start to really take all that in and you appreciate everything. So it’s going to be an experience for him. Joel’s very good at sort of coldly experiencing reality, though. Joel’s good at processing his emotions in such a way where he doesn’t really necessarily express them or allow them to affect his demeanor.

 

[16:14]

 

So if he’s gonna walk out, for example, and there’s going to be, like media cameras there filming him, I’m sure he’ll walk out as a real cool cat that doesn’t really feel much at all! [chuckling] But I miss the guy so much, I’m just really looking forward to seeing him.

 

But in relation to what you said about how hard the authorities go on, people who come from nationalism, nationalist activism, I think what happens, I really think it comes down to human naivety. I wish I could be a fly on the wall, actually, in a meeting like this. I think certain police units that are quite green to this kind of politics and this kind of activism. That is to say they are taken from other fields where they’ve been stationed for a while. So they don’t really know much about characters such as you and me. They haven’t been exposed to this stuff before. They’re put into a room, these coppers, and some political bureaucrat, some police bureaucrat stands there and explains that these guys are “terrorists”! Basically:

 

“They’re a terror threat, they’re extremely dangerous. They have knowledge of all sorts of dangerous stuff, weapons, etc, they’re known to be violence, etc, etc, etc!”

 

So they basically brainwash these naive cops that don’t really know much about us. And the cops go in really hard thinking that they’re doing something great for the community. When really they’re being focused on pretty much the ownly, the last semblance of resistance against the end of society! That’s kind of how I see what we’re doing sometimes the fall of our civilisation. We’re trying to resist that.

 

But I think that’s what happens. It’s just naivety and it’ll continue because speaking of prison, they do the same thing in prison, Mark. They shuffle around the prison guards so that you don’t get the same guards in your unit for any longer than about a month. They put new ones in that you haven’t seen before and then they stay for about a month, maybe six weeks. They move them on. Their new guards come through maybe from another prison, because the prisons are typically run by either the government or private security companies that have a great deal of personnel working across the entire country. Right. So you often don’t spend a lot of time with the same prison officers when you’re in jail. Just as you probably won’t deal with the same police officers very frequently in Australian activism, nationalist activism. And the reason that that revolving door of personnel exists is to keep everyone naive as to the reality of like, what these people are actually doing and to prevent anyone from developing sympathies or friends. Do you understand what I mean?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, I can imagine that it makes it harder as well. So when you’re in jail. I’ve never been in jail, but I can imagine when you’re in jail, things like familiar faces, people that you used to make it feel slightly easier. And Sam did say this to me, he said:

 

“When he was inside, knowing the lads on the wing, knowing the guys that you did your job with.”

 

So one of Sam’s jobs was the cafeteria in the cafeteria. Now, interestingly, he said that basically the pedos made the food, the pedos cooked the food so they were out of the way. Then they would send it up and then him and his team would serve it in the servery to everyone, and then they would clean up afterwards.

 

And one of the great things about being on the servery was not only were you out of your cell, but you’re out of your cell for a long time and working with the same group of lads. And after a while it felt a little bit like it was your group of friends you knew everyone, you got on them. There was a bit of banter, but he said by moving people around, it took that away from them. And it’s almost like a reset.

 

So if you’re getting on really well with everyone in one prison and they move you to another prison, you are starting from scratch again. Everyone’s got to get to know you. Everyone’s like:

 

“What are you in for, mate?”

 

And you have this sort of big reset.

 

And obviously all of this is designed to persecute some more than others, because if they want to make your life slightly easier, they keep you around the same people, they keep you on the same tasks, they allow you to build friendships. If they don’t want you to have any of those things, they keep moving you, they keep you on lockdown, they keep moving you from wing to wing, stop letting you have a consistent job. And that’s all part of the punishment. And then it punishment starts to stray into the territory, almost of torture, because some of these guys aren’t allowed to speak to friends and family.

 

And we’ve had the same thing in the UK where we’ve been speaking to political prisoners. And then all of a sudden the guy stops calling and you get word from someone else that he’s still allowed to call, that he’s not allowed to call you anymore because the state have just updated their lists of people he isn’t allowed to speak to. It’s all very unfair.

 

But one other thing I wanted to ask you is what’s happening with obviously the NSN was forced to close down. What’s happening with that law? Has that law been formally brought in yet? Or is it still sort of in the process of coming in?

 

And obviously I’m going to get Tom Sewell on again at some point to give us an update on the legal case. But since all of that, what’s the feeling from normal Aussies there about freedom of speech? Because to us in the UK, when we were watching this from the outside looking in, it just seemed this huge blow for freedom and huge blow for any nationalist group that even wanted to start a political party.

 

[22:24]

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s a good question, actually. I’m not really sure what’s happening with that law. I’m also not sure what’s happening with the process of challenging that law.

 

But from what I understand, there is currently a some sort of move to try to get the High Court, and this was my understanding of what Thomas Sewell is currently doing. He’s dealing with lawyers behind the scenes. He’s trying to get the High Court in Australia to make an injunction that the, … Let me start from scratch in case people don’t understand what’s happened. After the Bondi terror attack in Australia, that I mentioned earlier, where people were shot on Bondi beach. It’s like a major beach in New South Wales, Australia. It was the worst terror attack in our country’s history. Off the back of that terror attack, the government introduced a new threshold of crime they’re calling “hate crime”. It doesn’t have to be violent crime.

 

Basically, “hate crime” can be something you’re saying on the Internet. It can be an ideology that you’re subscribing to and certain groups with an ideological or religious basis that the government feels is threatening, they can be outlawed as “hate groups”.

 

Basically, it’s a whole new category of crime, and it’s a whole new way for the government in Australia to list so certain groups as terror groups without them actually doing anything related to violence or terrorism. It’s a pretty egregious law. In the actual legislation, it says things like, “no criminal convictions required, no procedural fairness required”.

 

Basically, there will be a bureaucratic process within government, amongst certain government officials that decides who’s allowed to exist as a political protest group, or a political party and who’s not, on the basis of their ideology and perhaps even their personal character. It basically cancels democracy, Mark put it that way. We have new hate crime legislation in Australia which cancels democracy! And it’s being celebrated by the government as a fantastic thing! So far, though, interestingly, they haven’t used it to list the National Socialist Network or Tom Sewell’s White Australia as a hate group.

 

However, while the legislation was being passed, and you kind of know stuff like this is going to pass, even though it shouldn’t pass in any fair, Democratic country, you know it’s going to pass when they introduce it. You just like when you hear the sort of people that are trying to get it through. The Prime Minister supports it. The opposition kind of supports it too. You’re like:

 

“Okay, this is going to pass. Jesus!”

 

So while it was passing, Tom Sewell disbanded the National Socialist Network and White Australia, completely. Well, I think the White Australia Party, the logistics required to register that party still exists, but the registration hasn’t been completed because the Australian Electoral Commission basically hasn’t responded to them. They’re not really sure whether they can register them on the basis of these new laws. That’s my understanding. I could be wrong. I could be getting my facts wrong with the AEC. I’m not sure if a registration has been put forward to the AEC. It was my understanding that it had been done, but I’m not exactly sure at this stage.

 

But what I will say is what’s happening now, my understanding of what’s happening now is that in order for the White Australia Party to be registered so people like Thomas Sewell and Joel Davis and Jacob Hersant and Jack Eltis can contest elections in the future, and you know, various other candidates can pop up, Senate candidates or regional candidates. You know, everyone who’s anyone in Australia in Right-wing activism is considering being involved or was considering being involved with this White Australia Party, … Which I believe is what prompted the government to introduce this hate crime law and rush it through off the back of a terror attack. Because right now there is a giant space for a far-Right presence to really pick up a lot of votes in Australia. There’s a very dissatisfied White Australian working class down here! They just don’t have anyone to vote for.

 

There’s One Nation but it’s just not far-Right enough. People need something a little bit more hardline. And they’re looking for someone to vote for. And the White Australia Party, although it might sound a little crass to people who don’t understand the history of Australia, the policy upon which Australia was founded was called the “White Australia Policy”. So it has roots in Australian history, this stuff. It’s very clever what the boys were doing. But the government introduced, introduced this hate crime legislation and in order to prevent him, all of his boys from going to jail overnight, Tom Sewell publicly disbanded the group.

 

But what he’s doing is trying to get the High Court, he’s working with some lawyers to try to get the High Court to make a special injunction that that hate crime legislation cannot apply to a political party.

 

And I think it’s a reasonable injunction for the High Court to make. I think in order to preserve any semblance of democracy, they would need to make that injunction, because political parties being denied registration or banned and outlawed on the basis of their ideology without having committed a crime, without having encouraged violence and without any procedural fairness or any route of appeal, like that’s not even a democracy! It has no relation to democracy!

 

[28:00]

 

So that’s my understanding of what’s going on. I’m not sure where that’s at. I do talk to Tom pretty regularly. He’s a close friend of mine, but he’s been pretty busy for the last few weeks and I suppose I’ll drop him a line and he’ll give everybody an update as to what’s going on with that. The ideal result, Mark, the ideal result is that the High Court does accept or make an injunction. The High Court does rule that this hate crime legislation cannot be used to ban or wipe out political parties. Can’t apply to political parties. The boys register White Australia, and then all the remaining traditional working Australians have someone to vote for. They have a banner to rally behind. I think that’s what the current government is terrified of and I think that’s why they’ve done what they’ve done with the hate crime legislation, with the police pressure, with the stacks of criminal charges they’ve pretty much slapped on every single member or leading members of White Australia. And I don’t usually get into, I’m pretty fair, I don’t usually weigh in too much on the conspiratorial stuff, but when you look at all the evidence, there’s a strong effort by the existing government, the existing political parties, to gatekeep their community, to gatekeep their class, the political class. They don’t want to allow White Australia a seat at the table because I think they know White Australia could run away with a victory and pretty much seize control of the country if they’re not careful. So a lot is being done to prevent that at a government level.

 

Mark Collett: Well, I’m not sure whether a party like White Australia would sort of storm it at the ballot box. It’s very difficult to do that. And I’ve thought that many times myself. You know, when I was in the BNP, I was expecting us to walk away with it. And there was always a softer option presented at exactly the same time. And that softer option was always the thing that the public decided to vote for, instead of voting for us.

 

But I think what they fear with groups like White Australia is once you are a political party, once you’re on the ballot paper, it gives you a degree of, or over an ear of respectability where you can say:

 

“Look, we are the real deal. We are officially registered.”

 

And at that point you have protections. And I believe that that’s what they were scared of in your case.

 

Because if you had the protections to keep doing what you were doing and you were officially registered, I think it would have been very hard at that point for them to do the things they were doing to.

 

Blair Cottrell: You are right. You are right! You have to understand that I had the same opinion. I thought even if these guys get registered, I don’t think they’ll get a lot of votes. I was thinking it’s going to take them a long time to cement themselves into official political culture because people tend to vote either one way or the other with this is like a two party system that we have in Australia, just like in most countries. And they’re very traditional about that. But the Boomers are traditional about that. There’s this whole new generation even us, we will vote more radically than the Boomers. We don’t want to vote for any major party. You know, we’re in our 30s and 40s, so pretty much anyone that age and below is going to vote for something more radical and is really fed up with what’s going on in the country.

 

And when I saw, August 31st last year, the first ever March for Australia rally, which was a huge phenomenon, and Tom Sewell and the NSN, how should I explain? They acted as sort of a makeshift security that allowed that rally to go ahead. When I saw how regular people reacted to literal Nazis walking into this rally to participate in it, to protect it and to play a leading role in it, I was shocked! I was actually shocked. I didn’t expect to see that. And when people, the way they reacted is they supported them wholeheartedly. They cheered them, they shook their hands, they wanted to get in photos with them.

 

And when I saw interviews later of regular people being asked about Tom Sewell and the guys, like:

 

“What do you think about these guys? Like, isn’t it a problem that there’s Nazis at your rally?”

 

The people shrugged. The people shrugged and said:

 

“Well, they’re against immigration. That’s what the rally’s about. So I don’t care!”

 

And someone would say:

 

“Really you don’t?”

 

Some journalist was trying to bait them, saying:

 

“You don’t care that there’s a Nazi up there speaking right now?”

 

And they’re like:

 

“Nah!”

 

I [chuckling] was like:

 

“Wow, that’s how fed up people are!”

 

People are so fed up that I think they would vote for a White nationalist party in Australia. I think that’s the way, you have to understand the Australian demeanor, the Australian character. We won’t always fight aggressively and in the moment, but I think sticking it to you know, rejecting official bureaucracy in a way that’s like profound, sudden, unexpected, we’re a rebellious spirit down here.

 

And that’s why I think the White Australia Party would actually get a fair few votes. Well, you got to understand, One Nation down here was a party that was a bit of a phenomenon. It kind of broke into the scene of official politics very suddenly, and Pauline Hanson was the leader of that party, still is, and she had a lot of problems back in the day. She even was put in jail for a while for some tax reason or something. But it was all political, whatever. But I feel that that phenomenon could have been repeating with White Australia, which is why in this case, the existing government, the existing political class, they were thinking:

 

“Hey, we’ve seen this before. We’re kind of more schooled in this process than we were the first time, so let’s not let it happen again.”

 

I’m just hoping the High Court makes that ruling so they can participate in official politics.

 

[34:05]

 

Mark Collett: I have a slightly different sort of more grim view of things than you, obviously, but it might be different in Australia and I hope it is. Here in the UK, when push comes to shove, people always take the how can I say it? The softer option. So people in this country are so scared of being called “racist”.

 

But anyway, one of the big things I wanted to talk to you about, and you’ve been talking about this a little bit on your own sort of Telegram page, is the situation that’s unfolding with petrol prices, with food prices, with really the fallout from what’s going on in Iran.

 

Now, I’m not sure what your take is on this, but since my sort of earliest days in nationalism, the old hands in the nationalist movement, the people that I was meeting and talking with, that had been doing, so when I came into things in about the year 2000, the 1970s weren’t that long ago. I was only sort of in my early 20s and there was people who had been in the National Front in their 20s or in their 30s, and now they’re in the BNP. And they were in their sort of 40s or 50s, a lot of life left in them very eager. And they would always sort of cool us down when the younger ones were saying:

 

“This is our time! We’re going to do this, we’re going to smash it!”

 

And they would always say:

 

“Look, it’s not going to be that easy. If we’re going to win the first thing that we need is a situation whereby there is genuine economic hardship.”

 

You know, these guys had seen years of election campaigns, they’d seen sort of decades of nationalists building up through big marches and then getting nowhere and then at the ballot box getting a derisory vote.

 

And one of the things that I was always told was:

 

“Until we get this big economic collapse, until there’s a depression, until, until people can’t afford to turn the heating on and don’t know if they can feed their family anymore, people aren’t going to be dislodged. People aren’t going to decide to vote for an outsider group.”

 

And here we are and we are starting to see genuine hardship. You know, I was traveling past a forecourt the other day which is usually the cheapest in our area. It’s over £1.50 a litre for petrol and nearly £1. 90 a litre for diesel, which is record, record price levels. People won’t be able to afford that. Is this what people need for the final push over the edge? Or do you just think this is going to be another big blip where:

 

“Oh, well, you know, two, three years down the line. Well, remember when it was really bad and Trump took people into Iran and the petrol almost ran out, but here we are and we’ve forgotten about it and we’ve moved on and we’ve got on with life!”

 

Or do you think we are moving to a time where there is going to be genuine hardship? Or maybe this is going to be something that our government seizes upon, to get rid of petrol cars, to ration petrol, to bring in more controls on our lives like they did through Covid? How do you think this is going to play out?

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s only one piece of the puzzle. You have to be ready for a crisis like this. You have to be prepared. You have to have the right kind of manpower and political force to capitalise on it if you are going to use it to your advantage, or if you are if you’re going to use any sort of crisis to your advantage.

 

And that’s why it’s curious that such a strong effort. It’s curious to me, that so much has been done to shut down and White Australia Party, shut down and criminalise them right before this crisis has panned out. Maybe that’s connected, maybe not.

 

But I know that if the White Australia Party did get registered, let’s say late last year when they intended to, before the hate crime legislation was rushed through Parliament, they’d be in a very strong position right now to deconstruct or de-legitimize the existing government and assure people that they could put their faith into them rather than the existing Labour government in Australia. But rather the situation we have instead is that that group has been forced to disband by emergency law changes off the back of a terror attack. This crisis has come into being and Albanese is just ruling Australia with an iron fist. His main political opposition, the Liberal Party, is just in absolute tatters. They can’t even figure out who’s going to lead which state.

 

And so it’s going to be a Labour government in Australia for a while. They’re going to be able to do whatever it is they please, which is another reason Joel’s just being thrown in jail without really any fair due process, like they pretend that there is, but there’s not.

 

[39:08]

 

But look, the petrol prices, the diesel prices are similar in Australia. When you compare the differences in currency for us, we’re looking at about $2.50 a litre for petrol, and that’s shitty 91 petrol, which they don’t even have. When I went to England 18 months ago and caught up with you, Mark, I noticed they don’t even sell 91 through most of England. It’s 95 minimum, I’m pretty sure. And so 91 is a rat grade, rat shit grade of fuel that most of Europe doesn’t even sell. And in Australia that’s $2.50 a litre, just for that. Plus the government has made some ruling here that the sulfur content of fuel can now be higher in order to stretch it out more. So it’s even worse than 91, probably. It’s really probably bad for your car, but they don’t care. They just want to keep everything ticking over as long as they can.

 

Diesel is the real problem. Australia is a huge consumer of diesel. And as a result of diesel being understood as more efficient, which I think it is, it burns a little slower and pound for pound, it gets you a little further. A lot of diesel engines have been sold to people. Diesel cars, just regular SUVs for families. But anyone who thought they were being smart by buying a diesel engine is now really suffering because the price of diesel just recently approached $3.50 per liter, which works out to be about the same as the fuel prices in England, as I said.

 

But look, the government’s come in recently and said:

 

“Hey, we’re going to cut the fuel tax in half to ease the pressure for you guys.”

 

So 50% less tax on fuel for everybody. But the funny thing is it took about a week for that price reduction to come into being, to be implemented by the fuel stations.

 

And by the time a week rolled around, the price had actually increased so much. All the fuel tax cut achieved was actually leveling out prices for a few days. It didn’t really reduce prices very much, maybe by about 15 cents in some regions, but it didn’t really have that much of an impact.

 

But this war, this war, I suppose we’ve got a lot to say about this war. Mark, what do you think about this war? Did you foresee something like this? Is this the time it was supposed to happen? What are you thinking?

 

Mark Collett: Well, I’ve been posting a few mashups on my Telegram of Trump saying he’s going to be the President of peace, he’s going to be the guy that stops the wars, he’s going to be the guy that stops American military interventions. This is going to be a new era. It’s America First. But he has become slavishly pro-Israel to the point where he would do anything they said.

 

Now, with Trump, it’s always hard to kind of see where he’s going to go. So when he went into North Korea, what happened? Well, he came out of North Korea, you know, singing the praises of the North Korean leader, the North Korean establishment, and being best buddies with you know, and that was the end of North Korea as the bad guy. And Trump is very unpredictable in how he behaves. You’re not quite sure what you’re going to get with him, and it’s little things that can throw him off.

 

But with Iran, he seems to have been absolutely doggedly pro-war, but that’s part of a wider shift. And all of a sudden, you know, it started around Venezuela, then he started threatening Colombia, Cuba, Greenland. Now it’s Iran. It almost seems like he’s on a little bit of a rampage. And some of this, I’m not saying that the guy’s a good guy or anything like this, but he’s obviously being led round by the nose by Israel. They have got him into this to a large degree. And even the mainstream media have said that originally Israel was saying:

 

“Look, this is only going to be a week of bombing. We just need your help for maybe three or four days, you know, eight days tops!”

 

And here they are like a month later and the world economy’s grinding to a halt. America has been largely humiliated. There are now dead Americans, and Trump can’t see his way out other than by sending ground troops in. And some of this is obviously Israel, but I’ve spoken about this on other shows and said some of this is actually a result of how isolated Trump is so when you look at Trump now, he’s not in the White House, he’s not in the Pentagon, he’s at Mar a Lago surrounded by fewer and fewer people. The people he was close with, the people that did surround him in the White House, they’re not there anymore. The people who are surrounding him are increasingly of jewish descent, very war hawkish. They’re the ones he’s listening to. And he’s even cut off on social media. So rather than making proper social media posts on X, he posts on Truth Social. So he can immediately ban anybody who says something that he doesn’t agree with. An isolation of that kind is usually very bad for people.

 

Now, I don’t want to go down the line of being like:

 

“Well, the Democrats were so professional because when they did war, they did it from the White House or the Pentagon!”

 

But there is something about doing war from the White House or the Pentagon.

 

And one of the things that shows that Trump is in this state of mental flux, and I spoke about this earlier in the week on Patrick Slattery show, is if you remember when we went to war with Iraq, the lies were quite consistent for a long period:

 

“Weapons of mass destruction, 45 minutes to deploy the missiles. We’ve got to get Saddam Hussein in a box before he puts us in a box. Where’s he going to strike next?”

 

That was consistent. It was a lie, but it was a consistent lie.

 

[45:18]

 

 

Now, what we’ve heard around this war, it changes on a daily basis. Regime change, energy stability, getting rid of the Ayatollah, supporting people in Iran who are protesting, stopping Israel from being wiped off the face of the map, stopping the nuclear weapons. Well, they weren’t going to have a nuclear weapon, but maybe they were going to have one. They were developing one, but they’ve been developing one for 50 years:

 

“Oh, well, we have to get rid of the Ayatollah.”

 

Well, you’ve already said that, but then you said that wasn’t the reason. And you’re looking at Trump and it’s almost schizophrenic.

 

And you can see that in four weeks of Iran, there has been less consistency, more chaos, more lies, more uncertainty and more humiliations for Trump than there was really for Bush and the Americans in the whole of the Iraq war.

 

Now, I know more soldiers, more American soldiers died in the Iraq war, but Bush didn’t claim he was negotiating with the Iraqi leaders, only for them to release a press statement saying:

 

“We’ve not even spoken to this guy. He’s a clown, he’s making it up.”

 

I mean, the world’s looking at him thinking, what are you doing? You know, mainstream newspapers are producing memes or cartoons where Trump’s talking to himself in the mirror. Saying:

 

“These negotiations are going very well indeed!”

 

You know, he looks like a madman. He’s isolated, cut off. There’s reports that he’s had some arguments with Israel, which is insane because he basically works for them. And it’s quite hard to understand where he’ll go next. You know, I wouldn’t be surprised if I woke up in the morning and Trump had said:

 

“It’s over! We’ve proved everything we’ve needed to prove. We’re backing away. They’ve agreed to no more nuclear missiles. I’m the President of peace because I’ve got rid of nukes in the Middle East!”

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if he did that. If I woke up in the morning and 40,000 Marines were headed to Iran for a full on ground invasion, I wouldn’t be surprised about that either because it’s just total chaos! And the people he’s surrounding himself with are the worst of the worst! Pete Hegseth, he’s not a professional. You know, he’s a, I think he was a Fox News analyst. They’re people who are sycophants. And employing sycophants, it might make you feel good, but they’re not the right people. You know, if you say:

 

“Well, who are you going to employ as your doctor? This guy who doesn’t really agree with you on a lot of things, but he’s a trained medical professional or your best mate who watched a couple of episodes of Casualty once?”

 

And he’s like:

 

“Well, I’m your best mate. You know, I have watched a few TV documentaries on surgery, so employ me!”

 

You’re not going to employ your best mate just because he’s your best mate. But Trump, unfortunately, has employed all of his, like, low IQ mates who can’t actually do the job. And it’s not really working out for him, is it?

 

Blair Cottrell: A friend of mine uses a term, “quantum politics”. Basically, it means that in Modern Politics, it’s like everything is happening and not happening at the same time. Trump is invading Iran! He’s not! He is at war with Iran, but he’s also not! He’s going to keep bombing Iran. He’s not! The straits open, the straits closed! It’s like, which do you want to believe? And the Internet is just so overloaded with opposing viewpoints that are representing opposite realities that whatever you want to believe is there for you to believe if you choose to.

 

And I don’t know if that’s a good or bad thing for average people. It’s probably not a good thing. Probably better for everyone to be kept on the same page by a more centralised source of information. But usually when that happens, the centralised source of information is controlled by the wrong people.

 

So, look, I agree with you. I agree with you. I’ve been watching, I’ve been reading too much and watching too much about this conflict between America and Iran. Israel, America and Iran, or just the Middle East, however you want to describe this. I’ve been reading and studying it so much, reading about and studying it so much that it seems to have almost affected my outlook on life generally. I’ve become much more cynical and negative. And I noticed this in myself a few days ago because I was starting to think, what’s even the point of going to work today? And I realised its because my mind is so fixated on these broader worldly matters. This foreign conflict, which isn’t necessarily consequential to me right now!

 

And so I pulled myself up and for the last couple of days, I haven’t been looking into it as much. Because I’m learning so much as this conflict unfolds, it’s like every 30 minutes there’s something new happening that I didn’t understand, I initially don’t understand, and then I begin to understand it. There’s so much I can say about it. I’ll do my best to be concise, give you my opinions.

 

Trump seems to be embarrassed. He’s visibly embarrassed and frustrated. Okay, when he says that Iran is begging to make a deal, clearly that’s not the case. Truth. Maybe people are telling him that and maybe he’s believing it, maybe they’re saying it to make him feel better.

 

But look, hats off to the guy for basically taking over America and just doing whatever he wants, going into other countries, bombing schools, stealing leaders, kidnapping leaders, and starting wars that he just writes off as military operations. They’re not actually wars for legal reasons. The guy has basically taken over America and is now the commander in chief of what is understood to be the most powerful military in the world.*

 

[* No, Trump is a puppet of ZOG and is their PR front man/actor entertaining and befuddling the masses with his antics. Same with all the other jokers that are presented as making decisions – Kat]

 

And I’m sure various statesmen and politicians in the recent, in recent history have dreamt of doing that with America, but never quite got there. They had to go through the proper processes, the Congress and whatever else goes on with the bureaucratic procedures there.

 

But Trump, to use a Churchill expression, seems to have “gripped America by the hair on its head” and is doing whatever he wants with its forces. Look, some people are saying they’re going as far as suggesting that it’s just a proxy war and an excuse to cause economic chaos, to bring about 15 Minute Cities, get rid of meat, get rid of petrol, cars, you know, Agenda 2030, that kind of stuff. And that very much could be the case. But for us mortals down here on the bottom plane, where we unfortunately have to reside, all we can do is speculate about stuff like that.

 

[52:04]

 

However, based on the way things are panned out and based on what I’m hearing, what I’m seeing from all the different sources of information I’m getting on the war, I do feel it will escalate quite sharply over the Easter weekend. That’s this weekend.

 

Basically, if Trump is going to send in ground forces to secure oil infrastructure, which it looks like he might want to do, however, he’s making it seem like he doesn’t need to do that. He’s making it seem like America has plenty of oil:

 

“I don’t even care about the Strait of Hormuz! (He’s saying) if Australia, Europe, England, if you guys want oil, go to the Strait of Hormuz and open it yourself!”

 

It’s almost like a dismissive, passive-aggressive statement too, because I think he feels let down by the lack of support from Europe, from England and Australia as well. I think he expected them to send some war boats and there was going to be some coalition. You know:

 

“The cool guys are going to come in together, the boys are going to come in together. And reopen the strait forcibly and then go into Iran and conquer it together!”

 

I think Trump felt like that he could, with one word and no real process, just summon all the forces of the world to his bidding. And because that didn’t happen, he’s now saying:

 

“Well, screw you guys like I don’t even care about you. If you guys want something, you go take it for yourself. I’m not babysitting you anymore.”

 

So that and other things seem to be demonstrating to me that the world is receding, reverting back into a place that consists more of exclusive empires that are a little more independent and self sufficient, that the world of the future won’t be so interconnected and countries around the world won’t be so dependent on very volatile and unreliable sources, routes of resources.

 

Australia, for example, doesn’t actually logistically need the Strait of Hormuz. It does because it hasn’t got the infrastructure to pump its own oil out of the ground. But we have up to 50 years of oil to refine and provide to keep our country going at its current consumption rate, for about 50 years. And I’m sure we could find ways to stretch that out to make it even longer. But because of globalism and politicians that are just generally unscrupulous, they cave to foreign market planning and manipulation, they’re easily bought off, easily led into traps. Politicians over the last few decades in Australia have literally shut down all of Australia’s oil refineries, have built no infrastructure to pump our own oil out of the ground, and are just buying everything from overseas!

 

But we don’t even have 30 days worth of diesel or petrol stored in this country. So we rely on places or routes of resource, routes like the Strait of Hormuz. We rely on that not because we actually need it, because we do have what we need here in this country, but just because of weak and unscrupulous scrupulous leadership, just corrupt leadership that sells out to the international market and leaves the country completely open to foreign market manipulation. That’s why, like Albanese doesn’t want to say it, the Australian government officials don’t want to say it.

 

But the reason petrol prices, diesel prices are so high, yes, it’s downstream from the war in Iran, but the real reason is because the political class in Australia has left Australia open to this manipulation. These volatile regions in the world, because they’ve refused to make our country self sufficient. They’ve plugged us into the global matrix. Even though it was a very unreliable and bad decision, they plugged us into this globalist system and now Australia is suffering the consequences when we never needed to be plugged in the first place, which is the frustrating thing!

 

But look, you know what the truth is, Mark? The truth is the if Trump is going to send ground forces into Iran, he’s going to have to bomb the shit out of it beforehand. He’s going to have to decimate the Iranian forces to make it more accessible to American troops, because otherwise American troops are going to get smashed!

 

I mean, they’ll win, they’ll eventually win, but they’ll incur heavy losses. And there’s been talk about dropping a nuke on Iran, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they did it. I wouldn’t be surprised. Israel would do it in a heartbeat. Israel’s like, think of it this way, Mark. Trump’s war room. I guarantee you this has happened. Trump’s war room. One AM, one night, someone said:

 

“We could just nuke them!”

 

And then there was some low chuckles around the table. And then the guy who said that made the comment in the first place, he leaned back and as the laughter died down, they all exchanged some looks and he goes:

 

“I’m serious, we could.”

 

And then the response would have been:

 

“What kind of what shape are our nuclear facilities? What shape are they in? Have we tested a nuclear bomb in the last few years? Do they even work? Can someone look into this?”

 

[57:09]

 

 

So that’s what’s happening right now in America, or that probably happened three weeks ago. So and Israel will nuke the shit out of Iran in a heartbeat! They don’t care! They don’t care about anyone who’s not jewish. They’ll nuke the shit out of Iran. And America has dropped an atomic bomb called Little Boy on Japan, after Japan refused to surrender at the end of World War II. So there’s nothing, there’s no humanitarian barrier for them doing this. If it means a faster end of the war and getting rid of Iran as an opponent in the region, then they’d be considering it, that’d be seriously considering it. And I think there’s been open talk about it, too, coming out of your Israel, maybe.

 

But I’m just trying to focus on what it means for us down here in Australia, as I’m sure you’re trying to think about what it means for England. And my gut feeling, because I’ve carried on about this for some time now, my gut feeling is that what this means is there is going to be a reshaping of the world to some extent. This is going to change our lives permanently. It’s going to change the way things roll out.

 

We just had an address to the nation, as I think you guys did too, from Kier Starmer. We had an address to the nation from Anthony Albanese. And Donald Trump also gave an address to the nation regarding the price of fuel and the effect that the war is having on the global economy. But what’s curious is this address to the nation. I don’t know what yours was like, but it was kind of a nothing burger! There was not really much in it. It was just “everyone needs to do their part”, lines like that:

 

“Use less fuel, drive less if you can, and everyone needs to do their part to get us through this difficult time.”

 

So really, there was no point in anything that Albanese said in this address to the nation. But the last time there was an address to the nation by England, Australia and America simultaneously at the same time, that was just prior to the Covid dilemma and the lockdowns.

 

And a lot of people think that we could run dry of fuel to the extent where people are confined to certain regions, driving a petrol car will be viewed as something abhorrent that you shouldn’t be doing because it’s too costly and it’s bad for the environment. Obviously, there’s elitists in the world who aren’t going to waste this opportunity to impose a sort of regime like that there are people in the world who want people to live in a regime like that. And this looks like it could be a very good opportunity to impose something like that. So we’ll see what happens.

 

But I’m just curious to see what’s going to happen over this weekend, this Easter weekend. I feel like it will be, I don’t know, I don’t want to say decisive. I don’t know if there’s anything that can bring about a fast end to the war. Trump doesn’t want to be embarrassed. He’s looking for the least embarrassing exit from the situation, but there’s no way to get out of it without sort of either acknowledging some level of defeat or dropping a nuke and just decimating the out of him. So then he can finally say:

 

“Hey, I told you I won. They said they wanted to do a deal, but then they wouldn’t agree, so we took him out! Fuck them!”

 

You know, something like that. If he’s going to be driven by ego, he could do something like that, and I’m sure Israel would back it. But it’s a terrible thing when something like this happens. I suppose I’m getting a bit softer as I get older and I think about children getting killed. I think about this school that’s being blown up, the girls school, and you think more about that stuff, especially when you’ve got people in the family having children, you Mark have your own children, you get a little bit softer on the humanitarian side of things, despite us being depicted by mainstream media as “gruesome fascists”. You know, it leaves you with a bad feeling when you see the kind of devastation that war like this causes for people that aren’t even involved and don’t want to be involved, for people who are just trying to live their lives. And that’s I suppose that’s always just a consideration in war or it’s a consideration for some people, for some people that are considerate at all!

 

But how do you think it’s going to go? What do you think the point is?

 

[1:01:08]

 

Mark Collett: As I said earlier, there’s so much chaos around this, it’s difficult to ascertain. So the other day Trump was saying:

 

“Well, we’re in this to reopen the Strait of Hormuz.”

 

Well, the Strait of Hormuz was open until you started this! You know, it was your meddling interventionism nonsense, naked aggression that closed the Strait of Hormuz. It wasn’t Iran, it was America’s actions that led to the Strait of Hormuz being closed.

 

But now one of the reasons we’re doing this is for energy stability. Well, we had energy stability until this began, until America started off down this route. And as I said with Trump, I think there was something on the Daily Mail site earlier, Trump had made another. I’ll see if it’s still there. But Trump’s all over the place!

 

So this is one of the things:

 

“Trump reveals he’ll torch NATO in landmark speech tonight as he absolutely threatens to quit disgusting alliance.”

 

So here’s Trump sperging out because no one wants to be involved in the conflict. You know, that’s pretty telling about the mental state he’s in, that he’s not calling meetings.* He isn’t getting people together and saying:

 

“Right, let’s get all the heads of NATO around to discuss this, discuss what we should do.”

 

He’s just saying:

 

“Right, I’m going to make a speech and tell everyone they’re absolute asses in front of the world’s media, because that’s going to make things better!”

 

I think there was something earlier today and I’m looking for it in the news feed, but I can’t find it. And it was about, …

 

[* Trump’s chaotic behaviour is all just theatrics for public consumption as a kind of live stream drama. Real calculated decisions are made behind the ZOG curtain.]

 

Blair Cottrell: He seems to be doubting that much of Europe even has the military might or the will to help anyone in any war.

 

And the problem with a lot of Europe, especially Western Europe, England has the same problem as Australia, is they’re so locked down in a demographic crisis with mass immigration just basically tearing the countries apart, tearing England apart, tearing Australia, dividing Australia, that neither country is in a position to support anyone’s war.

 

I wrote about that in a Telegram post recently. Like, we have such a large Muslim population that’s influential. If Australia openly supported a war against a Muslim country, you’ve got like war on the streets in some suburbs here that are heavily Muslim populated. You’ve got a massively increased threshold of terrorism and possibility of terrorism suddenly. So getting into any foreign war for England or Australia means chaos for us in our streets, in our homes! And I think, like that’s what kind of prevented Australia from supporting Trump’s war more directly.

 

Mark Collett: Well, another headline that was up today:

 

“Trump says Iran’s new leader has asked for a ceasefire and he’s considering it if Hormuz is opened. Britain to host 35 nation talks on reopening the Strait of Hormuz and getting oil and gas flowing again to the lower prices. After Trump’s get your own outburst.”

 

It’s complete chaos. And this is what I mean about the Iraq war. The Iraq war wasn’t a good thing. It wasn’t a just thing. It was a terrible thing! But despite all of those assessments, it was at least something that seemed orderly. And the countries that participated had clear goals and they did things in a way that seemed militarily expedient. And anything could happen next.

 

But I mean, look, it’s like these 15 Minute Cities, okay? Now, people are going to crucify me for saying this, but Britain was full of 15 Minute Cities at one point. Britain was a country where people would bike or walk to the shops in their village because working class people didn’t have motor cars really in vast numbers until the 1980s. Both of my grandparents, both sets of my grandparents never even learnt to drive. They walked to the shops, they biked to the shops. They got their groceries from the local green grocers, the butchers, the bakers. It’s quite recent that every family had two motor cars. That’s something that’s a post 1980s change.

 

Now, if you said to me we were going back to a homogenous White nation where people, rather than using motor cars and going to the supermarket, walk down to the village green grocers to get their vegetables, went to the butchers, went to the bakers to get their goods every week, i’d be far happier with that than I am now with families piling into the car, driving 25 minutes to buy all of their food from a giant solar supermarket that has its foot on the neck of every farmer and supplier, driving down their quality of life and making this country a worse place. It’s a complex thing, and to me I see sort of threats and opportunities here.

 

Now, obviously, 15 Minute Cities are a dirty word, it’s a dirty concept now because everyone’s used to cars. But was Britain a better place when motor car ownership was less common and people use local services and amenities? Or is it better now when we’ve got rid of the trains, the bus services all the local shops and you just travel to out of town retail parks to buy you shopping. And even they’re closing down now because Amazon does it all. You know, if you want community back, you have to deal with community, you have to deal with your local butchers, your bakers, you have to go to the local shops, you have to know everyone in your village. You know, one of the things that atomized us was this idea that we’d all sit our own little cars and drive 30 minutes to get our food. You know, that wasn’t how this country ever was, until very recently.

 

So I’m not against people building local communities again. As for the war and whether that will do that, I doubt it. I should imagine that, if I was a betting man, I always bet on nothing really ever happening and things returning to normal. And if people say:

 

“Well, why do I, why do I bet on that?”

 

I bet on that because I lived through Covid and I saw people locked down in their houses, … Do you know what, this is weird, but there was a woman in my city centre the other week, probably the first I’ve seen in a while still wearing a Covid mask. So there are people still walking around in Covid masks.

 

[1:08:11]

 

But one of the things I’ve got to say is, the strange thing is a lot of people thought things would never go back to normal after Covid. There were a lot of content creators saying, when Covid hits:

 

“This is different, this is the game changer!”

 

But everything went back to normal. So somehow I always just foresee things going back to normal and are still just engaging in this slow decline towards minority status and the end of our people. That’s just how it’s been and how I foresee it. If I was a betting man now, as I said, I could wake up tomorrow morning and Trump’s new [word unclear], and you’re looking at it thinking:

 

“Oh, my God! Why did he do that?”

 

But he could also wake up tomorrow morning and he’s pulled everyone out and gone off in a huff saying:

 

“I’m not helping anyone again, and I’m starting my own version of NATO because I’m a big fat baby!”

 

You know, he is just. He is sort of so chaotic and wild, you honestly don’t know what he’s going to do.

 

And now he’s embroiled in problems at home, too, because it looks as if his anti-birthright citizenship bill, not bill, presidential decree, is going to fall as well at the Supreme Court. So he’s sort of embroiled in failure every which way. And if he seemed to be the president of failure, his own party will turn on him. Because he’s only got one sort of term as president left. He’s only got until the end of this term and then he’s done anyway, because you can’t be a president for three terms. But here’s the issue, Blair. There’s lots of politicians surrounding him that are banking on being a Congressman, or a Senator for many more terms. And if they’re eternally tied to Trump, if he goes down like the Hindenburg, they go down with him!

 

And I think what might restrain him is the fact that these midterms are coming up in November and that’s closer than you think. And there are many people within the Republicans who are getting very worried about their prospects of re-election and potentially a disastrous midterm election ending up leading to a second impeachment.

 

Blair Cottrell: Did things go back to normal after Covid? Do you really feel like they went back to normal the way they were before?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, people forgot about it. People got on with life. No one cares, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Ostensibly. But to me, it feels like post Covid society is like a pretend world that only resembles reality, a pretend world preceding some sort of vicious change. That’s what it feels like. Everyone’s retarded, Mark, and everyone hates each other now. That’s what Covid achieved. There’s so many people out there not working now with medical issues on a disability pension. You go down to the shopping centre in the middle of the week at like 11 o’clock in the morning or 2 o’ clock in the afternoon when everyone would typically be at work and there are so many people there! There are so many cars, you can’t even get a car park. And everyone is fat and bitter! Everyone is fat and bitter!

 

And I just think to myself every time I go out in public:

 

“This can’t go on much longer. Where’s this going? A colony which feeds its sick and it’s weak and puts the worst of itself first. Where’s that going? It’s going into the ground and it’s going into the ground within a generation or two!”

 

So I’m looking at this whole post Covid system and just how sick and embittered everybody is.

 

And in my heart, in my gut, I feel that it’s about to have a big full stop put on it! I don’t know how that’s going to happen, but, …

 

Mark Collett: Don’t you worry, Blair, that, don’t you worry because what you’re saying, I can’t argue with anything you’ve said. Okay. But don’t you worry that all these fat, useless, embittered, permanently sickly people who live off the state are all essentially in some kind of chains. Like I bet I think I know you pretty well. You’re an intelligent guy, but you’re resilient and you’re the kind of guy that wouldn’t like to live off anybody else. And if somebody said to you can live in a gilded cage, or you can be free and go and build a shack over by that watering hole and essentially live a harder life, but have total freedom over what you do, what you say, the way you think. Or you can live in this gilded cage and you can have lots of nice things and free money and computer games and TV, but you have to say the right thing and come out of your house and clap every night for the Covid special workers. I bet you’d go and live by the watering hole, build a shack and live free.

 

But most people wouldn’t!

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, I might initially think:

 

“Well, the nice things sound pretty good. I might try that out.”

 

But then it wouldn’t last very long. Like within 48 hours I’ve already committed a hate crime and done some hate speech without even meaning it. And now I’m forced to go out to the shack, and I’ve probably got the coppers chasing me on my way there.

 

But yeah, I don’t know. What I’m trying to say is I’d be very surprised, I’d be very surprised if some society reshaping didn’t come about as a result of this Iran situation. I’d be very surprised. Because it’s a huge, it’s a huge opportunity, Mark. Even if it hasn’t been planned around this specific incident, even if this is Trump being wild, I think like the Strait of Hormuz being shut effectively is huge! It’s a huge excuse to suddenly shake up the economy and change the way things work. It’s a huge opportunity and I’d be surprised if elitists wasted it. I mean, at the very least it’s going to be used to make a lot of money and that’s already happening for some people in the right place.

 

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Mark Collett: It is! Yeah. And that’s how it’s going to be. But I worry that everything you’ve just described is going to lead our people further into chains. I mean, one thing I’ve noticed today, I was reading something, it said that one in eight children born today will be registered as disabled. That seems insane to me!

 

Blair Cottrell: It seems higher like that doesn’t even seem like it matches what I’m seeing in society. When you say one in eight, it feels more like one in four. And it probably will get there. And what’s this desire people have to be disabled?

 

Mark Collett: Oh, [chuckling] I was gonna say that!

 

Blair Cottrell: Why does it? Yeah, you’re gonna get to this, right? It’s almost like that’s your identity:

 

“I have this disability, I have this mental illness. This is who I am.”

 

Well, there’s two things at play there.

 

First of all, it’s financially incentivised. You get paid to be disabled, you get paid to have a mental illness, you get full-time care and you get to sit at home and do whatever you want on a government pension. When there’s a financial incentive to do something, people try to do it! And people will even lie and say that that’s what I am in order to get the money, in order to get the care, in order to get the benefits.

 

The second thing at play is people aren’t given any strong sense of identity or personal pride. We don’t live in a society that allows national or personal pride to any significant degree.

 

And so people are searching for identity, they’re looking for two things. They’re looking for money, they’re looking for identity. And disabilities, mental health crisis, whatever, mental health issues fill both those voids. They give them something to identify with:

 

“I’m bipolar now, I’m super ADHD depressive disorder. And that sort of is my whole existence.”

 

They’ll write it in their bio, on Instagram or something. That’s who they’re not Australian, they’re not English, they’re “ADHD, bipolar”. That’s their identity.

 

And like I said, they also need money. Everybody needs money and they get that from it as well! So this system is rewarding people and giving people identity for being retarded!

 

And so that’s why everyone is retarded! Because there’s incentive, there’s a reason, it’s very easy to understand. The way to stop that is to do the opposite is to actually incentivise people to be healthy, to take care of themselves is to reward people who are saying no to the immediate benefits and who are putting in the work to actually live a healthier lifestyle and build something to make themselves self sufficient. If the government would stop taking the easy route and just exploiting people’s base nature and selling them bullshit and convincing them that they’re super anxiety depressive disorder, so they could sell them drugs. You know, if there was incentive and reason for people to be healthy and strong, if there was a identity that they could plug into their national identity that they could take pride in, then they wouldn’t be searching for drugs and mental health issues to identify with in the first place. Right?

 

So that’s the essence of the problem. It’s very simple! Like people are doing what they’re paid to do and they’re doing what they feel identity for doing. You know, like this, the sense of identity.

 

Mark Collett: Do you know what, though? We’ll have to the Superchats thing. Not many people are Superchatting tonight, especially on Entropy. I don’t know if there’s a problem there. I’ve heard they’re having problems, or maybe no one wants to donate one or the other. But like it has been very sort of not really anyone has made a donation. Well, we’ve got one.

 

Blair Cottrell: Get some Superchats in, guys! If you’re watching this from Australia, it’s too early in Australia for most people.

 

Mark Collett: Come on, guys! If everyone gave a bloody dollar, they wouldn’t even notice it. But I’d be very happy, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Give some support to Mark Collett, man! Give some support, guys, come on!

 

Mark Collett: But look, I need to see.

 

Blair Cottrell: Open our hearts! Let’s open our hearts and open our wallets too. Ask us a question. Ask me a question. Ask Mark a question. Give us a subject matter and we’ll get into it. Let’s do it!

 

Mark Collett: But look, this is something I want to say. There’s two things I want to say here, Blair. One is I am a bit of a freak! And I want to admit this, right? When I collect computer games, I like the boxes to be in perfect condition. And if the corner of the box gets dented, because I drop it, it upsets me.

 

Now, I wouldn’t say I’m mentally ill, okay? I just like my boxes in good condition. I like everything on the wall in the right order and I like all the boxes to be neat and I like the labels on the games to be perfect.

 

Blair Cottrell: No, no. I think you need to go to a specialist. This sounds like, you need medication, … [chuckling]

 

Mark Collett: This is what I mean, like today, but today a child will be playing in the sand pit and he’d be like, I don’t want to get my, like sand in the joints of my Power Ranger because it’ll ruin it. And somebody like:

 

“Whoa! You’ve got ADHD, kids better get him a diagnosis!”

 

So on one hand, everything today is a mental illness. You like to keep things nice. You’re mentally ill! You don’t want to do some of the things the other kids want to do. You’re mentally ill!

 

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Blair Cottrell: It’s very self centred, isn’t it? Like you would need to be thinking a lot inwardly about yourself. I’ve said that before, that mental illness is like the religion of the self. It’s like:

 

“How can I develop this identity around my own lived experience, my own personal vessel, this vehicle that I’m in? Everything’s about me and my special demeanour and my special way of doing things. Here’s my bottle of special pills. It has my name on the bottle, see, it’s specially for me!”

 

Never mind that 60% of the population is in the exact same frame of mind, living in the exact same bubble, taking the relevant, same drugs. It’s not actually special. You’re just doing what everyone else is doing.

 

Mark Collett: It’s worse. Because the second part of what I was going to say before we do these couple of Superchats, is fundamentally, and this is the crazy thing, the parents are proud of it!

 

So when we were kids, if there was something wrong with you try to overcome what was wrong with you and you didn’t want people to know. So if somebody was ill, or somebody had something wrong with them, or like say you were slightly dyslexic, you would go to special classes, you would get special books, you do special things to try and overcome it, but you won’t wear a big badge saying, “I am dyslexic!”

 

And then there was a thing that came in where if you were dyslexic, you could have an extra 15 minutes in the examination room because you found it harder to understand the question. So you got a little bit more time. But now you might as well get a special hat, a sparkler, a big badge, and everyone wants the big badge!

 

And I’ll tell you this, as a dad who meets other parents, you get parents who come up to you and they boast about the autism, or the things that are wrong with their kids. So you will actually have parents who will come up to you and be like when you know, like kids in the playground talk about which Pokemon they’ve caught. They will talk about their kids mental illnesses, like their Pokemon, like:

 

“Gotta catch them all. This one’s got this one’s got that. He’s neurodivergent!”

 

And they love it!

 

Blair Cottrell: They’re all waiting to talk about themselves and their own kid. They’re not even listening to you. They’re all waiting for their turn to talk about their own problems. Imagine living in a community like that. Here’s the thing is, Mark, I’ve, since I was young, I’ve expressed plenty of qualities of ADHD, as I’m sure you’ve been told. You’ve got the same thing. Mild autism. Everyone’s always said that there’s something wrong with me, but I’m just like, even if there is, it’s just the way I’m wired, man! I’m not getting into it. I’m not going to get some fucking, pardon my language, some diagnosis. I’m not getting someone to tell me to categorize me.

 

Humans love to categorize each other, don’t they, Mark? You know why they do that? Because it helps them think, they understand things. It helps them feel like they’ve got it figured out when they really don’t know shit about anything! Even the, especially the experts. All these categories that we develop for different types of people, whether it’s ADHD or depression or autism or Asperger’s. I’m not saying these things don’t exist. There’s something going on that makes people, just neurologically different, unique. But developing these word based categories to make us think that we understand things is a very arrogant human endeavour. We don’t actually understand what’s going on. And we certainly can’t control it with drugs, but we can make money through drugs. And that’s what it’s all about, guys.

 

But I think this is why we’re talking about this as a problem. But I always like, because I’m a male, Mark’s male, so he probably thinks the same thing. I like to think of solutions. I like to just think about how do we get around this, how do we stop this happening instead of just complaining about it.

 

That’s why I’ve always been in favour of the Church making a comeback, a centralised religious institution. I know that these can become pretty corrupt as well. Or at least that’s what the mainstream media has led us to believe about the Church. Probably for subtle reasons. They’re probably trying to achieve an outcome where the Church didn’t have as much power anymore because it was a problem. It was a problem for selling junk to people, for selling drugs to people, and for bringing mass amounts of foreigners into your country. The church probably would have stood against that in its old form. So getting rid of the Church was a necessary step for whatever this excuse of a country we have now is.

 

But see, when you have a central church that everyone goes to on Sunday, when you have mass or something like that, when you have a religious structure that everyone kind of links into everyone’s Christian, whatever it might be, it doesn’t really matter what it is, just as long as everybody agrees that that’s the Church of the nation. Well then when someone else comes into your country and says:

 

“Bipolar disorder, here’s my Medicine for the cure!”

 

You say:

 

“No, no, like we don’t do that here. We go to church on Sunday, we talk to the priest if we have a problem, we don’t take drugs here. We don’t do this ADHD thing. Sorry mate!”

 

So you reject outside identities and efforts to try to sell shit, whether it’s pornography, the Church would be against that, whether it’s drugs, some other identifying factor that some grifter, some (((merchant))) is trying to sell to you’ll reject it on the basis that you already have a strong identity, a national religious identity.

 

[1:25:02]

 

And I think that’s what the benefit of having a strong central church was in the beginning. It basically makes people necessarily stubborn. You might say that people being closed minded as a result of being exposed to too much religious dogma is a bad thing! I would argue against that. I would say it’s a good thing. Because look what open mindedness has done to our country. When people don’t have that closed minded, “this is my country, this is my church” kind of mentality, then they just become a worm of consumption that accepts and consumes whatever it is that some merchant is trying to sell to them. Suddenly everything and everything just swamps that nation and it just becomes a place for merchants to decimate and exploit.

 

A strong church, I think would have, I think a big comeback from the Church would prevent that. I just don’t know if it’s possible. The ideal situation for a church to make a comeback actually, or the Church to make a comeback is people suffering, people really suffering. Because when you’re suffering, when you’ve actually got nothing left and you’re in a really bad place, that’s when you’ll find yourself hoping that God’s real and hoping that maybe he’ll listen.

 

Now I’m not even religious, guys. I’m not trying to shill Christianity, I’m not trying to shill a religion. I’m just saying that going or reverting back to a time, to a set of circumstances where we had a little bit more faith in something central and something unifying would protect us psychologically from the sort of bullshit ideologies and drugs and mental health crap that is so effectively sold to people today.

 

Mark Collett: Well, look, really quickly before we do the Superchats, something you said there. Something is something I said to Adam Green. Me and Adam Green had a bit of a debate the other week and by the way, David Duke has agreed to debate Adam Green. So we’re sorting that out. They’re gonna have a debate about Christianity, whether it was good for the West or bad for the West. Duke thinks Christianity was good. It was a uniting cause. It helped, you know, know Europe beat back Muslim invasions. Adam Green thinks it’s basically the biggest evil in the West. That debate’s going to happen.

 

But one thing I’ll ask you is “struggle”. You see, I actually like struggle and I think as a man without struggle, you are less of a man. And you go to the gym and I go to the gym, I don’t know whether you feel this way, but do you ever go to the gym and you work a muscle in a way that you haven’t worked it for some time, and the day or so later, you feel sore, but the soreness is kind of a constant reminder that you pushed your limits, that you sort of went to a new level.

 

And I actually like that! I like that sort of feeling that, like my body is reacting to the pressures I put upon it. And part of sort of improving is fighting through that discomfort. That’s why I liked running. I like that challenge, that struggle. And I think when you remove struggle from the life, especially of men, not so much women, but especially men, men without struggle do become worthless slobs!

 

And I think the comfort that we have been given by our masters, the bread and circuses, have a lot to answer for and why we are now weak.

 

Blair Cottrell: That soreness you’re talking about, the soreness in the muscles after having done some vigorous exercise, that is a signal that that muscle is regenerating. The cells in that region are regenerating. In order for those cells in the muscle to regenerate, they need a good amount of blood flow and a good amount of oxygen and a good amount of nutrients to come from the GI tract, the gut.

 

And that means the gut needs to work more efficiently in order to feed and repair the muscle. And so the gut does actually start to process and absorb nutrients at a superior rate than it would have if the muscle was not used.

 

What I’m saying is pretty simple to understand. If we’re not regenerating, then we’re just getting weaker, we’re dying. If you’re not suffering to some degree, it’s called the “fitness effect”, and it actually has been applied in a social, political sense by an author named David Kilcullen, who’s someone that I’ve read quite a bit. I actually brought him up in the speech that I gave at the conference you hosted. Not the last one, but the one before in the October conference in England.

 

It’s called the fitness effect, basically, and with the right amount of pressure, the organism we’re talking about, and here we’re talking about individual people, your biology. Your body gets stronger, it develops itself, and you just become stronger. Everything works better in your body because it has to. You’re creating a reason for your body to work more efficiently, so the experience of life becomes better, because the more efficiently the body’s working, the happier you’re going to feel, the better mood you’re going to be in the better your gut’s working, the better you’re going to feel. It’s very simple.

 

That’s why I don’t understand how people don’t stress their muscles to the bare minimum necessary degree each week, which I think is minimum three times per week in the gym for about an hour each time. You know, hitting things like squat, overhead press, deadlift, leg press, major compound movements that are going to stress your body and your central nervous system in a way that your body has to adapt, it’s forced to regenerate and therefore everything starts to turn over more efficiently because it has to in order to regenerate the muscle effectively.

 

[1:30:53]

 

 

So muscle mass actually is one of the, scientifically, one of the greatest determiners of longevity. Meaning generally speaking, the more muscle you have, the longer you live. And that ties exactly into what I’m saying, because in order for your body to retain, to build and retain more muscle, your cellular regeneration process, your gut, your brain, your nervous system, everything has to fire optimally in order to make that happen. And if you’re putting your body under the necessary stress, the bare minimum three times a week in the gym, and you’re giving your body a reason to have that extra muscle mass, then everything in your body has the reason to operate efficiently. It’s like a machine getting greased up, so to speak. But it’s much more complex really because of our turnover, our cell regeneration system.

 

Yeah, if you’re not training, you’re dying. You’re not getting stronger, you’re getting weaker. There’s no average existence where you can just sit at and stay healthy. If you just do nothing, you just get fatter and sicker and sadder and weaker. Gradually you always have to be exposed to that bare minimum level of stress, which in my view is three times a week, three hours in the gym doing the major compound exercises relatively heavy.

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you. Well, let’s do these Superchats. Thank you to everyone who has Superchatted. There’s still plenty of time if you want to. We’ve had one from Open Borders for Israel for $5. Thank you so much! He said:

 

“Hail Blair. Would be good to get him on for a PA Aussie movie night, maybe. Rabbit Proof Fence?”

 

Yeah, we do movie reviews once a month and you’ve not actually been a guest. I don’t know if you’re a fan of movies, but if you chose a movie, we’d be happy to review it.

 

Blair Cottrell: Hang on, hang on, you guys you do movie reviews personally?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Blair Cottrell: That’d be awesome! I’ve done one for. What was it? Guide to Kulture? Do you know Guide to Kulture?

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, I do. I’ve done them. I’ve done every one of his film festivals all. So yeah, I know. We literally do a movie every month. We must have done probably about 50 or 60 movies now.

 

Blair Cottrell: Maybe my review wasn’t so good, but I’ll try to find it. I did a review on Good Time with Robert Pattinson. Have you seen that?

 

Mark Collett: No, I’ve not even heard of that, to be honest.

 

Blair Cottrell: I reckon, write that down, Mark, because I reckon, and you guys in the audience, too. It’s a very underrated film. It’s a very simple plot. It just starts with a bank robbery, but it’s set in modern America. And I find it very gritty and realistic! And I find the main character very interesting to psychoanalyze. He’s clearly mildly sociopathic, but he’s intelligent and it’s entertaining and fascinating to see how he deals with the degrading circumstances after this bank robbery. So good time with Robert Pattinson, actually I really rate Robert Pattinson as an actor.

 

Mark Collett: He’s a great actor. He did a version of Batman. He was really good at that.

 

Blair Cottrell: He was, but he’s also talented. He’s the kind of guy who can do a lot. He’s a musician and he can play different roles. He doesn’t always play the same role over and over again! He can play a different character, which I think is a good indication of talent in acting.

 

Mark Collett: I agree. And as I said, I thought he was going to be terrible as a new Batman. And when I saw him as Batman man, I thought it was a really enjoyable film. And I was actually looking forward to the sequel. I’m not a guy that usually looks forward to sequels. But, yeah, he was good. He was very good.

 

So if you want to choose a movie, Blair, you’d be welcome on any month. All you have to do, choose one. And we will get you booked.

 

Blair Cottrell: Is it always movies or can it be shows? Does it have to be a film?

 

Mark Collett: We’ll usually do a film. I’ve just looked it up. We’ve reviewed 57 films. It’s actually 59 because some have been double features where we reviewed two films together that are both linked. So we did Zulu and Zulu Dawn and we’ve also done several comparisons where we’ve done the original Snow White and the modern Snow White or we’ve done the original Running Man and the new Running Man.

 

Blair Cottrell: I can imagine there’s a breakdown of modern propaganda.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. Two hours long. This little panel who are regular us. But look, pick a film, tell me when you’re free, and we’ll get you booked in. It’d be very good. Purple Sage gave $10. Thank you. And he said:

 

“Thank you both for all you do.”

 

Well, thank you so much, my friend. It’s very kind of you to donate. Kenny Smith gave $10. Thank [chuckling] you so much:

 

“Sir, I’ll be fine in any food shortages thanks to my fat stores. All those kebabs will pay off!”

 

Thank [chuckling] you. Full Camelot gave $3. Thank you so much! And he said:

 

“Well, Blair, Victoria is the Garden State. Absolutely! I had a ZD Fairlane V8 dual fuel. And regularly travelled south to volcanic bush and rock beach, camping alone for days. Return to society refreshed.”

 

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Blair Cottrell: My dad had a Fairlane. I remember when I was 18, I just got my driver’s licence a couple of weeks prior. And I asked my dad if I could borrow the car. I had this date organised with a girl, and my dad said:

 

“No, because you’re not on the insurance, if you crash it, then., …”

 

And I said:

 

Ahh! Anyhow he had two cars, so he went out somewhere. So I took it anyway. Of course, I’m 18! I’m gonna take his car anyway. Took his car, went on the date, came back. When I came back, he was home. I got punched in the face for it! So, yeah, it was a tough gig being 18.

 

 

Mark Collett: Do you know what? I always find it really strange because you meet people that have had a fight with their dad and have been punched in the face by their dad. And have fought back, and then you meet other guys and you say, like:

 

“Have you ever punched your dad in the face?”

 

And they say:

 

“No, no, me and my dad have never had that.”

 

Blair Cottrell: I wouldn’t do it. No, no, I wouldn’t do it! My dad’s the only person I wouldn’t hit back. My dad’s only hit me once, actually. It was this car thing. I don’t know why I think it was, …

 

Mark Collett: You’ve never actually had a, … Have you ever had a fight with your dad? So you’ve never actually had a fight?

 

Blair Cottrell: No, no, never! No. And my dad’s the only bloke that if he hit me, I’ll just stand there and take it. I wouldn’t hit him back. Never!

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. I don’t have that level of restraint. Me and my dad when I was younger we have had sort of physical altercations because I was quite wild at times and you know, it’s not something I’m sort of like mega proud of, but as a young guy I find it kind of weird when you meet people that have never had any kind of altercation with their dad. I could never understand that. Because I often did things where I did deserve a sound whacking. You know, I could be quite, I could do stupid things but then be quite sort of unrepentant or cheeky!

 

Blair Cottrell: I got a funny story, I got a small funny story I can interject with. Like my dad and I definitely had some rows. Is that how you say it? Rose or rows? Yeah. We had some, we had some disagreements and, but we didn’t want to hurt each other because my dad, his father, my grandfather, he used to beat the shit out of my dad. So my dad was against hitting me. He didn’t want to do that to his son.

 

But you know, maybe he needed to sometimes because I was a real little shit! But one day he just broke my computer. He broke my computer in a rage because I can’t remember the reason I hadn’t done something. And he was so frustrated that I hadn’t done it that he saw my computer sitting there and I had World of Warcraft sitting there just idle. I’d been playing it. And he just broke it. I remember he threw it across the room and it broke.

 

So then I went and took his big sliding saw, expensive Makita sliding saw out of his shed that next day and I took it down to The Pawnbroker and I swapped it for a new computer! I did a deal with The Pawnbroker! And then he noticed a week later that his sliding saw was gone. So he came in and sort of, he said:

 

“Where’s my sliding saw?”

 

And I said:

 

“Well you broke my computer and you didn’t pay for it. So it had to be replaced, dad. That’s the way things work!”

 

So you know what I mean? There was, that’s the sort of run-ins that I’d have with my dad.

 

 

Mark Collett: Well, I can tell you this. I have had physical altercations with my dad and I have fought back as a young guy but I would never have been bold enough to have taken something my father’s and sell it because he would have, I think the thrashing at that point, I wouldn’t have I. As a young man, I never got the better of my dad. I mean, now things are different. Obviously he’s like an older man. So like if he got mad with me, I’m not gonna start going give him a good kicking.

 

But as a kid, I did get up to things that I shouldn’t have done and there was a couple of situations where he gave me really sound advice, and I didn’t take it, to sort of my detriment. And it was one of those things where I probably should have listened to him a little bit more when I was younger and being sort of, … But when you’re young, your head-strong, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Did your dad try to get you to buy property early?

 

[1:40:01]

 

 

Mark Collett: No, my dad, my dad sort of, it’s kind of strange because my dad was obviously a big part of my life, but I used to talk to my mom more about decisions that I was going to make. And it was one of those things where I was very close to my mum and obviously she passed away a few years and sort of left a big hole in my life. But I was brought up in a world where mum was the stay at home mum. Your dad was out at work nearly all the time. You spent very little time with your dad as a kid, but you spent a lot of time with your mum. And because of that, I was kind of super close with her and my mum was. My mum and dad were both really political, but my mum was sort of super uber political! So she loved talking about politics, like constantly. And that was something where me and her could speak for like an hour or so on the phone about the way the world was, how things were.

 

And so it’s not that I’m not close with my dad, but I was just super close with my mum. So when it came to that kind of advice, I take more time talking things through with my mum than my dad, to be honest. Who were you sort of closer with? Was it your dad who was the advice giver or your mom?

 

Blair Cottrell: My dad was a very quiet, hard working man. He was just always at work. His only day off he would take me to either track and field athletics or football when I was a kid and he would volunteer as an umpire. My dad was the kind of guy who showed affection, he showed his dedication to you through action. He didn’t really say like, I’ve never hugged my dad, never in my life. That we just didn’t have that physical relationship at all! But he would do a lot for me. He would spend his only day off taking me to football and volunteering to help out, that kind of stuff. So he was just the strong silent type sort of thing.

 

And I think he felt like showing me any affection would perhaps portray weakness. And he thought that that would be wrong because he was always trying to demonstrate himself as a strong father, you know, someone to aspire to. And I appreciate that. I understand it. Probably I’ll be much the same with my own son. But we’ll move on from the dad subject in a sec. What was the last thing I was gonna say? My dad used to own property and he used to tell me that I need to buy property, even if it’s a block of land. He said:

 

“Just buy something!”

 

Because I was making a lot of money when I was young, because thanks to my dad as well, he got me various jobs with big building companies. I was a supervisor for a building company when I was only 18, somehow. All the other supervisors were like 50 year old builders and carpenters. And here I am playing a supervisory role thanks to my dad. My dad’s like:

 

“Buy property, mate! Take some of this money you make him and put it into property. Your future self will thank you for it.”

 

But because my dad was always so stressed and broke, I thought:

 

“The old prick just wants me to be miserable like him. He’s just pissed off that I’ve got money, so I’m not going to listen to him!”

 

And I’m thinking to myself:

 

“You idiot! You idiot!”

 

If I did buy property when I was young, I probably, I’d be in a position right now where I wouldn’t even have to work full-time. But because I didn’t listen. Yeah, but that’s just classic hindsight.

 

Mark Collett: Oh, my dad he’s a very good man and he is a nationalist, but sort of his sort of era of man was a man that didn’t spend a huge amount of time with the family. You spent time with him on a Sunday, maybe a little bit on a Saturday. But dads of that era were always at work, they were always doing everything and they showed their love for their family by providing. This is an odd thing because today everyone’s sort of programmed that your dad shows love for you with loads of hugs and doing everything with you. But back then the dads were and more or less every dad, all my friends dads were the same. They were always out at work, they were up super early, they went out to work, they brought home, …

 

Blair Cottrell: You respected him, right? You wouldn’t act up around, because you respected him. And you kind of feed him a little bit too, in a healthy way. When it was just mom, you knew you could get away with a bit more. You knew you could act up a little bit, you could eat a little bit extra if you could sneak stuff out of the cupboard, whatever. But when dad was around, you didn’t act up because you didn’t give your dad any shit! You respected your dad.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah. And not only that, but because you knew how hard your dad worked when he was in the house you wouldn’t be raucous. Like, if it was just your mum around and you had your friends over or you were fighting with your sister. You knew that was kind of all right because Mum sort of put up with that because she was there to sort of oversee you as kids and that was her day job. So:

 

“Sod it! I’m gonna make noise and be a bit crazy!”

 

But if your dad came in and had a long day at work, there was no jumping on the sofa. There was no hooting and hollering and chucking things about. You were respectful. You cleaned up your toys. You did your best because you knew that dad had., … And your mom would be like:

 

“Don’t you be doing this when your dad comes home. Because he’s been out since, you know, 7:30 this morning. He’s had a long day and when he comes in, he doesn’t want you to be playing hell. He wants to come into a respectful family.”

 

And I think these things are largely gone now.

 

[1:45:23]

 

Blair Cottrell: That dynamic was essential from my upbringing, really. I think. Like, my mom could say a thousand words to me and get no result, trying to get me to do something, but my dad just had to speak once, just say a few words, and I would do it straight away.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah.

 

Blair Cottrell: And I fear the person I might have become if I didn’t have my dad in my life. I probably would have become a much more relentless criminal. Because I feared my dad that kept me, it had some sort of influence over me, which was positive.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, I agree. Similar with me. The Resident Baker gave $20. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Evening, Mark. I was going to give some money to charity for some new jewish ambulances. However, I’ve reconsidered because I don’t really like jewish ambulances and you’re a much more worthy cause.”

 

Thank you so much! [chuckling] I’ve got a video coming out at the weekend about the jewish ambulances, so look out for that. That’s the end of the Entropy Superchats. We’re going to go over to Rumble now.

 

Come on, guys, the Entropy fans. Where were you tonight? The bearded Indian gave $8. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Blair, have you ever brought bread from a man in Brussels who was 6 foot 4 and full of muscles, big love, praying for Joel and the political prisoners.”

 

I get that. I love that song. And you could be the man in Brussels who was also a man from down under, if you listen to the song.

 

Blair Cottrell: I think there’s a sad story behind that song, actually. I won’t tell it because I don’t know it, but I’m pretty sure that song, or maybe it’s not that song. But there’s a stereotypical iconic Australian song that was actually stolen from someone and they lost the rights to it and stuff like that. But anyway, I understand the pun, so I appreciate it.

 

Mark Collett: One of the sad things about Men at Work, the guys who did it, they all sort of fell out with each other. And the original lineup of Men at Work, they’re not all sort of still together. And I don’t think they actually speak to each other, which is really sad! So now there is only one member of Men at Work left, which is the main guy, Colin Hay. But all of the other guys and the ones who came up with the iconic songs, they’ve all left. And I find that quite sad because it’d be nice if after all this time, they were still playing gigs together. But no, it’s just they, …

 

Blair Cottrell: To me, it’s always weird how people fall out. I’ve never fully fallen out with anyone. You know, people have done things upset me and haven’t done the right thing by me always. But I still like to think about the good times I have with those people. So I never really fall out with anyone. Like when I call someone my friend, it’s like a lifelong thing for me. But I suppose, you know, things happen to some people that are bad enough that bridges are burned. I just try not to burn bridges, personally,

 

Mark Collett: I think in the musical world it’s a common thing because I think you’re stuck together with people. When you’re touring, you’re always with them. And then often people have different ideas of where they want their band or their group to go. And I think it’s a very different world. I think that’s a commonplace thing. Bod Nielsen gave three gifted subscriptions. Thank you so much! If you get a gifted subscript subscription, please do keep it up.

 

Blair Cottrell: What is a gifted subscription? Is that like a, …

 

Mark Collett: On Rumble you can gift subscriptions that anyone can claim and then they can keep them going if they want. So the idea is that you get paid subscribers. So say I had 200 paid subscribers at $5 a month from each one. That means you’re gonna get a thousand dollars American every month less the processing fee. And it’s just obviously everyone’s dream is to get to the point where as a content creator, rather than having to sort of hope and pray for Superchats, you end up getting the other stuff where people just gift.

 

And that’s the key thing. Like if you’re on some kind of thing where everyone, a thousand of your supporters gave you $5 a month at the beginning of every month, you don’t have to worry and you don’t have to do Superchats, you know what I mean? It’s just one of the sort of things of how it works, basically. But thank you for giving the gifted subs and if you do get a gifted subs, please maintain it because it means a lot to me. So thank you so much!

 

Serena JB gave $8. Thank you so much! And said:

 

“Love to all our fellow nationalists in Australia, especially to Joel.”

 

Thank you very much. Purple sage gave $10 and thank you and said:

 

“Thank you both for all you do.”

 

Well, thank you so much! Einsky gave $5. Thank you so much! He said:

 

“Hail to you, Mark and Blair. Powerful show and powerful takes. Struggle is the father of all things.”

 

Well, I agree. Hazelnut 3,000 gave $10. Thank you and said:

 

“Thank you. Mark and Blair.”

 

Do you know, this is just a little an aside here, but I remember reading about the butterfly. And butterflies struggle coming out of their cocoon, but if you cut the cocoon open and you help the butterfly out, it basically retards the butterfly and it can’t then operate. The butterfly needs that struggle in order to get out. Conversely, it’s different for chickens coming out of eggs. If you are hatching chickens and you don’t wet the eggs and soften them, the chickens actually do need a hand getting out of the eggs, they die.

 

[1:50:45]

 

 

Blair Cottrell: There’s so much balance to be considered in these things. And I think the female role in this process is to empathize with the creature in the immediate sense and the masculine role is to kind of empathize with the broader implications of what you’re doing in the moment. So women will always, or the more feminine creatures or people, they’ll always try to help the person in the moment, make the person feel good in the moment. And that’s the way feminine empathy is expressed.

 

Whereas, whereas male empathy will be allow whatever it is to figure it out for itself and interfere not so much in the moment in order that things are stronger and more developed in a broader sense. More of a, what do you call it, survival of the fittest type thing. That’s like mass masculine altruism, you might say, whereas the feminine altruism is much more immediate.

 

But I think having a balance of those things, because they’re both very natural expressions, aren’t they? It’s like one isn’t bad or worse than the other. I think when you go one way too far, like modern society has gone way too far to the feminine, well then you end up with a weak and sickly society because everyone gets cared for in the moment too much. They get what they want in the moment, what they feel like, they get validated too much for not really doing anything of value.

 

So I think in future, as Tom Sewell would say, when we take this country, when we take control, when we take power, we need to strike a really appropriate balance between those two forces and we need to maintain it and really prevent things from going too far one way or the other.

 

Mark Collett: Thank you. The Bearded Indian gave $6. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“The Trump or the police aren’t victims because they’re being misled. They are self serving pigs who’ll step on anyone to keep their snout in the trough. They know exactly what they’re doing.”

 

Well, thank you so much! Igs 22, gave $5. Thank you so much! And he said:

 

“I stayed with an Italian family in Lima, Peru. Both sons, 40, live at home with partners. They pool resources and own four successful businesses. Should we teach our kids to build wealth as a family unit?”

 

Well, that’s a very interesting question. My answer to that would be, I would love my children to grow up near me and have a relationship with them longer and later in life. I moved away from where my parents are, but I do also think it’s important for people to have space.

 

So for example if my daughter met a nice guy and they wanted to settle down, I would want to help them get their own house. I’d want to help them settle, settle down so they have their own space. Because I don’t think you can truly flourish as a young couple if you’re living under the roof of one of your parents. So I do understand that people in some cultures have these large family gatherings under one roof. But I think as a young couple, it’s nice to have your own space and to be able to branch out a little bit. It’s nice to have the parents there and the extended family close, but too close, I think can be stifling. What do you think, Blair?

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, you don’t want to live under the same roof as like too many different families, extended family, friends. Living under the same roof with friends is actually the fastest way to ruin relationships with friends because you get to see what your friend is actually like most of the time. Like cracks start to appear, laziness, stuff like that. And it’s really problematic for ongoing friendships and even living with family sometimes. People end up really disliking their own siblings if they [chuckling] spend too much time too close to each other.

 

So everyone needs their space. That’s why we all go to our own bedrooms at the end of the day. So even if you’re living in a community based environment, everyone having their own space, space, like even if it’s on the same property, you have different little houses on the same property that you can go to and you still have your room, your office, your bedroom you can retreat to at the end of the day. I think that’s really important, especially important for me. I like to spend a long, long periods of time alone. Actually people close to me say they don’t know anyone, they’ve said that they don’t know anyone who needs as much time to himself as I do.

 

So it’s really important for some people it’s just a necessary facet of the human condition, I think.

 

Mark Collett: I completely agree! I like time on my own. And I don’t understand people who always have to be, …

 

[1:55:21]

 

Blair Cottrell: I watched a video recently, the top 10 things like intelligent people do or something. And I watched it because I thought, I want to see if I do any of these things. Now I’m not gonna brag and tell you how many of the things I ended up doing, but the one thing that surprised me was talking to yourself.

 

One of the things apparently intelligent people do is they talk to themselves. And I’m thinking that blew my mind when that one popped up on the screen because I thought:

 

“I’ve been doing that since I was a kid, a lot!”

 

I’ve been waiting for no one to be in the house so I can pace the hallway and discuss things with myself. And I’m wondering, do you do that, Mark?

 

Mark Collett: Oh, God, [chuckling] I’m laughing because I do. I do! And the worst thing is, the worst thing is the Mrs will like, come into the house and I won’t hear her coming in, and I’ll be in sort of like conversation. She’s like:

 

“Who are you talking to earlier?”

 

And I was just like:

 

“Just myself. I was running through a few ideas and doing a back and forth and my sort of inner monologue was coming out.”

 

And I do this when I’m running as well. I used to go on long runs on a Sunday morning and I’d have a conversation about ideas. And if I’m planning out a speech or something like that, I will do it and run through it under my breath.

 

And sometimes I walk past people in the street and they’ll be looking at me like:

 

“He’s talking to himself!”

 

But you speak to some people and you’ll be like:

 

“That’s just my inner monologue.”

 

And they’re like:

 

“What’s one of them?”

 

And you’ll be like:

 

“What do you mean? So you don’t have conversations with yourself about ideas and plans, and you don’t have a back and forth?”

 

And they’re like:

 

“No.”

 

Blair Cottrell: We’ll get to the point where they’re planting microphones in your house, and you’ll be committing hate speech to yourself! Yeah, and you’ll be a charge for hate speech to yourself, Mark. You’ve got to be careful!

 

Mark Collett: But [chuckling] I do it all the time and it sometimes frustrates and freaks people out.

 

And sometimes, as I say, the Mrs will come up and says:

 

“Who are you talking to? Your phone wasn’t even, …”

 

“Yeah, well, that’s just me. Just me.”

 

And it really annoys you if I say:

 

“It’s the best conversation I get in this house, which is like, that’s the best!”

 

If you want to start a real argument is when your misses catches you having the inner monologue, remind her that it’s more intelligent conversation than you get out of her. And then you will get that is the fast track to being punched by your partner.

 

All Good, How’s It Going gave two dollars. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“Hail Mark! Hail, Blair! If you could both meet up IRL in each other’s countries, where is the first place you would go to Showcase your homeland? I’m glad you’re still alive and well, Blair.”

 

Well, I didn’t actually get to do as much with Blair as I do with, usually when people come over. And it’s because Blair arrived, I met him then. He had to go and do things with his partner and they went on little exploratory journeys themselves. But if I could have taken Blair anywhere, it would have been to a place called Bradgate Park in Leicestershire which has got historic ruins, wild running deer, and some of the oldest trees in the whole country. Like these trees, some of them are 7, 800 years old.

 

So the things they’ve seen in their lifetime is just incredible! You know, they really are these incredible sort of they’re not obviously alive in the sense of like a creature, but living entities that have seen changes over their lifetime that we couldn’t, we couldn’t imagine.

 

And I think that connection with nature to me is important. It’s a place I went as a child, and sharing that with somebody like Blair would have been awesome! But unfortunately, we didn’t get as much time together as I hoped.

 

Blair Cottrell: When I was a kid, I used to wish that I could touch an old tree and absorb its knowledge. I used to imagine that that was happening if I touched an old tree. But I’m kind of torn. I want to take Mark. I would take Mark to the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne and explain, like, exactly the significance of all the different features, because it’s very significant, not just to Australians, but to, I think, all extended members of our race. And I’ve learnt that only recently, actually in the past few years.

 

But then I also want to take Mark to the athletics track, the track and field institution setup that I used to compete on when I was younger. And I want to see if I can beat him in a 200 metre or 100 metre foot race. That’s what I’d really want to do!

 

Mark Collett: I’m an old man now. I’m 45. And one thing I’ve noticed, as I get older, I don’t seem to get that much weaker. So I can still go to the gym and do decent lifts and build myself up. But that burst energy where you can, not long distance. You can still do you get a lot of long distance instance runners who were old men. But that burst energy you have when you’re young, it’s just gone. So you might beat me there. Spartan Sadaka gave $2. Thank you so much! Said:

 

“My view is this planet needs a moral, wise, compassionate White emperor that has legally restrained authority over every single military and space travel, peace by centralisation and strict laws of war.”

 

Well, thank you so much! Ironically, I made a joke earlier, privately to Blair that he would make an excellent sort of Conan the King style character that could rule by a compassionate force. I actually said that to you earlier, didn’t I? There’s something I actually said to you. So would you take the role of Conan the King?

 

[2:00:38]

 

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Mark Collett
6 hours ago
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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@ancientviking
all these outward nazis are rumoured to be feds

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withey
3 hours ago
great show, goodnight all 14/88 28

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
evening dupes

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
ye tnx

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Sir Trancealot
3 hours ago
14

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@Joesmith
3 hours ago
14

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@MarkCollett
you have so many guests, but imagine unz laughing at your back for making you believe his scam he is some kind of right winger

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
so mark can praise iran more? lets not

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago
ye Blair is a beast

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
might as well be a jew himself

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
according to duke nothing was good before christianity/judiasm

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@BlairCottrell
can you snatch? clean&jerk?

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
and duke is a zionist

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago
Unz is basically a Liberal Jew, he simply seems not able to grasp the very concept of racial identity.
He just publishes a lot of right wing content, for the sake of the traffic it engenders, not because he is our friend.

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago
and others in heavily mixed California. this was in the link

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@MarkCollett
https://www.unz.com/runz/an-open-letter-to-the-alt-right-and-others/
why do you invite unz to your show? he believes that the ideal of a White ethnostate as the most desirable political outcome is debunked by the reality of low crime and unproblematic coexistence of Whites, Hispanics

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
so whats the benefit in UK when everyone is prediposed to hating it?

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
we don’t have the same law and you will get locked up .. and noboy supports it here

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
you deserve to go to jail if don’t realise the ramifications of using hiterl outside of USA

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Prison Ships
3 hours ago
I hope DUKE beats the cancer and out lives trump.

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
stop being revelators of hitler in commonwealth countries

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@BlairCottrell
of course it is illegal, look at the warfare tom sewell you and others are subjected to

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@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
what about if there is a redpilled scientist egghead, would he trigger inferiority complexes and how do you escape from that if you accept human inequality?

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ancientviking
3 hours ago

@withey
Not on the top 10

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@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 hours ago

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
IDK that’s of course your original question for Blair, not something I have a problem accepting having worked with such academics on projects together.

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Sir Trancealot
3 hours ago
Dinobane is based

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ancientviking
3 hours ago
its stupid as shiiit

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Alice1488
32 minutes ago
Blair is a real White man, a national treasure for Australia. It’s rare to see a Nationalist that doesn’t get involved with drama!

Barnes isn’t Noble
32 minutes ago
I believe entropy has had payment processing issues if I remember correctly Henrick mentioned having not received donation funds from one of his payment processors.

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago
i don’t think they monitor this chat

@Ihtultu
3 hours ago
Good evening everyone.

Obscure Truth
3 hours ago
True.

@Ihtultu
3 hours ago
take it alongside beta alanine.

withey
3 hours ago

@ancientviking
but it is a problem

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago
2.2 *grams per kg

ancientviking
3 hours ago
like thats the biggest problem

ancientviking
3 hours ago
wahhh people smoke weed …

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
3 hours ago

@Mar

@BlairCottrell
how do i get to 2.2 proteins per kg of weight though, with eggs only?

ancientviking
3 hours ago
its a good level to be at

ancientviking
3 hours ago
carolina reaper or scorpion pepper

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
3 hours ago

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
I’ve spent a lot of time around some incredibly intelligent academics, I like to call the lampshades because they make the bright appear dimmer, but they too tow the line and rather tell a lie rather than be aberrant and tell the truth on certain matters

withey
3 hours ago

@Philip.Kollberg
i drink raw eggs it’s lovely either 1 at a time or 3 in a glass and drink drink drink

@Ihtultu
3 hours ago
They’re trying to make the goys gay!!!

ancientviking
3 hours ago
Yet ……

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
4 hours ago
Richard Spencer liked hamburgers with caramelised onion or something like that

@Philip.Kollberg
4 hours ago
drink egg is awful

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
4 hours ago
i mean, do you justify priviledge by way human inequality?

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
4 hours ago

@BlairCottrell
..and how do you think you stack against a scientist or someone like that, do you accept your intellectual inferiority as downstream from human inequality, or … do you cope by claiming you are cleverer because you are red-pilled, they are just privileged pencilnecked eggheads, etc

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Cannot recommend that enough

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
If you don’t know how to cook start with stews

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago
I found 20% fat better for smash burgers with onions.

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago
5%??

ancientviking
4 hours ago
suger filled buns

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
It’s the European stable food

ancientviking
4 hours ago
terible

ancientviking
4 hours ago
brioch?

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Lobscouse

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Scouse

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Stew

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago

@withey
LOL same

withey
4 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
i’m an ectomorph i could never get to blair probably not even with steroids

ancientviking
4 hours ago
does blair here raise chickens? i doubt it

ancientviking
4 hours ago
this seems like a better time than early sleep

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
and i remind you that you cannot use slurs on this channel

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago

@withey
Self rebutal – you most certainly will not get as jacked as Blair doing that, but it is better for most people psychologically and it is productive.

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
im simply bored

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
your attacks have amounted to nothing

ancientviking
4 hours ago
so nice goin for white movements

ancientviking
4 hours ago
no he is a paki

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
i’ve met tollah as well, he is swarthy nothing more

ancientviking
4 hours ago
and iin their pics

ancientviking
4 hours ago
and paki

ancientviking
4 hours ago
midget as well

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
Ayotolah i think he is called

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
who?

ancientviking
4 hours ago
dunno

ancientviking
4 hours ago
why he was in the pic i dunnop

0KT0BER
4 hours ago
*dwarven

ancientviking
4 hours ago
or that paki guy

0KT0BER
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
no dissing our warven kings

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
yes woodlander is short

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago

@withey
Focusing on your appearance like that is narcissistic. laying a driveway of 1000 1footx1footx2″ thick paving stones its a workout and you can look at what you’ve done at the end of the day

ancientviking
4 hours ago
like that woodlander guy? he is 5’0 a litteral dwarf

withey
4 hours ago
i’m parallel with steve laws shoulders

0KT0BER
4 hours ago
https://henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/HJS-Israel-2048-%E2%80%93-A-Blueprint-Report-web-4.pdf

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
those fellas are 6’4

ancientviking
4 hours ago
doubt

withey
4 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
have a home gym

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
I dount after some of the people he is pictured with

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
It’s far more rewarding than the gym which just has you paying to move things around back to the start

withey
4 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
looking good and feeling great is the achievement

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Anything

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
that bike crash was a blessing in discuise

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Dig a ditch or something

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
i had a motobike accdent broke sevral bones and when i got better i got to the fitst ive ever been i was a fat bloob b4 that

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
you’re about the same height as Mark, and only a little taller than me

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Build something! The most rewarding exercise is when you can look back at the end of the day and see you’ve achieved something more than lifted a lump of iron only to put it back where you found it.

ancientviking
4 hours ago
5’10

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
he is a jew so id imagine so

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
how tall are you?

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
do you have issue with mike enoch?

ancientviking
4 hours ago
midgets

Obscure Truth
4 hours ago
Lol

ancientviking
4 hours ago
where mark is like 5’5 lol

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
As you get older you do find it harder to have that burst of strength to bench press a gearbox up onto an engine while lying under a car

withey
4 hours ago
we whites cannot live like indians, we are too geared to being in charge of our own destiny, we are all leaders, any difference is cause for conflict, we only cooperate when we agree

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
lake distric

ancientviking
4 hours ago
what a guy ….

ancientviking
4 hours ago
the supposed nuerologist that preyed on retarded women?

ancientviking
4 hours ago
wow

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
you really think that creep is innocent?

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
its like 10% dont

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Wait you guys don’t do that in your internal monologue? You actually say it?

@Ir0nW1LL
4 hours ago
You meet a better class of person that way

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
call the police who dealt with this lie and have them tell you

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
My uncle had a stroke and could no longer do that in silence.

Prison Ships
4 hours ago
AntiChrists; Unregenerate Queers; and c”rap” listeners deserve an insurmountable Alien invasion.

@Joesmith
4 hours ago

@withey
i got a council flat its nice being close to famaly i share a dog with him the dog wanted to go to his yestday so she draged me there lol

ancientviking
4 hours ago
he was not wearing a hazmat suit for no reason

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
M8? that shit was done with years ago, ofc he killed her

withey
4 hours ago

@Joesmith
same here

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
that’s a lie and you know it, JF is a good man, a hero of our race

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
i am a 10 min walk from my dad

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
Unless you are JF Gariepy and kill off your own wife

Sir Trancealot
4 hours ago
which then lead to MGTOW

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
you see your dad every day, but it’s only brief, you need your mother for affection and your father for leadership this is wholesome nuclear family, everyone plays a part, all roles are crucial

ancientviking
4 hours ago
do some partime farm work

ancientviking
4 hours ago
stop being lazy

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
*sued

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
They got sewed for plagiarising the kookaburra song

@RP
4 hours ago
Where do you guys stand on sperm donation? Should young, fit and healthy nationalists consider donating to healthy, attractive and intelligent European women even if they’re lesbians? I’d argue having healthy white babies is a net positive for us.

ancientviking
4 hours ago
what a shit show

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
vegemite sandwiches are disgusting. Marmite is better

ancientviking
4 hours ago
and gods help you if you go back on ethan ralphs again mark

Prison Ships
4 hours ago
If EuroPagan “gods” were believable they would have remained at minimum 30% more popular than they did.

@TheOldOneTwo
4 hours ago
A god is only as believable as the mystic who peddles him.

ancientviking
4 hours ago
what kind of message would that be?

ancientviking
4 hours ago
Only on weekends? so men should be more like blacks? .. just went out for a pack of smokes?

withey
4 hours ago
true dads worked mums gave affection

withey
4 hours ago
my cheeks are hurting that’s so funny

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
no

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
i have

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
lol

ancientviking
4 hours ago
not been years of that already

ancientviking
4 hours ago
sure to save the white people is film reviews

Prison Ships
4 hours ago

@james
Adams MCkenzie Peer pressure.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
I’d rather achieve something than spend it in the gym. Breaking up concrete and wheelbarrowing it into a big pile around the other side of the section is a good start

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
that’s insane to say. look at ancient rome, greeks, makedonians, celts, thracians, germans. even today everyone wants to be a successor of rome.

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
true Adam will win, but only because religion is fantasy and in part subversive, facts and reality always wins

ancientviking
4 hours ago
Duke even said we did nothing before christianity … the gall on that fooker

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago
especially when doing legs.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Have you not seen the tik tok pastors promoting LGBT stuff?

ancientviking
4 hours ago
Adam will wipe the floor with old christian idiot

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
That won’t work, they go about subverting any organisation of authority, even the church.

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago
an ethnoreligion will reappear. it’s inevitable.

Obscure Truth
4 hours ago
Right.

@SvenLongshanks
4 hours ago
great conversation tonight

ancientviking
4 hours ago
they shill for ‘god’ at every oppertunity

ancientviking
4 hours ago
nobody seems to care anymore

@Ihtultu
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
we have to thank Theodosius I for that. along with inserting a foreign universalist religion, he allowed the mahommedans to flourish centuries later ater the battle of Frigidus.

0KT0BER
4 hours ago
lol

James Adams MCkenzie
4 hours ago

@VesselofGrace
how the hell is Darwn a satanist

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
You sleep better that’s for sure

ancientviking
4 hours ago
why i never trusted him

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@Ihtultu
The jewish religion holds alot of sway in him

Prison Ships
4 hours ago
Darwin; Freud; Marx; Nietzsche are the most Amplified Satanists.

James Adams MCkenzie
4 hours ago
Before Christianity we had control over our spirituality that had deep ancestral roots, after it started getting controled by a foreign cult

Prison Ships
4 hours ago
Saint Martin Luther knew better.

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Oh you don’t like trash everywhere and like things organised, you’re ADHD and autistic (AKA just simply a white man)

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
it would have to be cash in hand work, because every employer pays into a bank account

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
4 hours ago
Being white is a mental illness under the jewish defined DSM

ancientviking
4 hours ago

@withey
Get a job an do this in free time, relying on money from poor whites with no hope but paying internet personalites is not exactly a plus

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
no parent would be proud of a aspd son lol

@Joesmith
4 hours ago
when i was a kid duslex and adhd was techanly specal needs but not relly specal needs

withey
4 hours ago

@ancientviking
how can mark carry on without money to pay for his family and pay to run this organisation?

@Diogenes
4 hours ago
“Oh that’s all nonsense, it’s a racket for the …”

@Joesmith
5 hours ago

@withey
lol after u should check out a short aspd explaned by duck its so me lol

Callaghan
5 hours ago
FREE JOEL DAVIS

James Adams MCkenzie
5 hours ago

@Crazy_Cat_Gentleman
5 hours ago
It’s the jewish driven dysgenic goycattle breeding program at play there Blair

withey
5 hours ago

@Joesmith
it sounds cool

ancientviking
5 hours ago

@withey
Easily doable without subscriptions

Reginald Collett
5 hours ago
the new supergirl actress is autralian

@Joesmith
5 hours ago
aspd means socalpath

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
others aren’t in it and don’t either understand it or don’t believe it, but it’s real, my soul is free, free from woke

@Joesmith
5 hours ago
i like my anti socal personalty disorder lable

@Philip.Kollberg
5 hours ago
Does the shack include Mark Collett stream?

ancientviking
5 hours ago

@withey
About yourselves, nobody else.

@Diogenes
5 hours ago
everyone is retarded and everyone hates each other – sounds like the baseline for today’s world

@Joesmith
5 hours ago
lol thats me i get big benfits for bpd and anti socal personalty disorder

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
i’ve seen it first hand, i’ve talked to other members, we’re all positive and enthusiastic

ancientviking
5 hours ago
its been years

ancientviking
5 hours ago
Keep telling yourself that

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
PA is getting better it’s always got better

ancientviking
5 hours ago
then why does it still get worse?

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
camping together, hiking together, is collectivism, we think the same we feel the same and we can cooperate, it’s all proven, and from that we build

ancientviking
5 hours ago

@withey
Pitching tents will instill fear in all foreigners?

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
but if you’re happy to just stay online, well god for you

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
showing what can be achieved is priceless

ancientviking
5 hours ago

@withey
Im sure going for a hike and then ponying up some hundreds of pounds for a quick camp session will cure our ills colour me with optimism

withey
5 hours ago
it wouldn’t be long after we are denied fuel that the state runs out, no running ambulances, fire engines nor police cars

withey
5 hours ago
america will probably drop an A bomb on every city in iran

@Diogenes
5 hours ago
dropped two of them please

withey
5 hours ago
a nuke is the only way for america to win

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
the demo only gives a glimpse about PA this gives more of the picture, the website is words and pictures, all of this is necessary for people before they attend the camp or the conference, before they become emersed in what Mark is creating

ancientviking
5 hours ago
but like i said

ancientviking
5 hours ago
if i believed in them i would

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
do you attend PA demo’s?

ancientviking
5 hours ago
none of this online shit does anything i think that is quite obvious now

ancientviking
5 hours ago
years of this and nothing changed

withey
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
what’s your problem?

ancientviking
5 hours ago
if the downvote button was available? id hit that, but its not available, like a youtube channel

withey
5 hours ago
click

ancientviking
5 hours ago
its shit

ancientviking
5 hours ago
why

withey
5 hours ago
come on people 132 watching but only 22 likes….like the stream

withey
5 hours ago
fyi i liked the stream earlier

withey
5 hours ago
good evening all 14/88 28 wpwp wpww

ancientviking
5 hours ago
not like they are arabs or anything

ancientviking
5 hours ago
praising iran is the way to go am i right?

@noreplacement
5 hours ago
that happened here in England. Diesel was cheap, until it got popular

Prison Ships
5 hours ago
Militant BabyKillers and Sodomites are the NeoBolshevik vanguard.

Sir Trancealot
5 hours ago
evening all

ancientviking
5 hours ago
that was all nonsense

@noreplacement
5 hours ago
It was bad in Thatchers time Mark. Mortgages at 15% rising inflation. Yet few voted for the NF

ancientviking
5 hours ago
nobody froze in covid either

@SvenLongshanks
5 hours ago
1.48 here

@noreplacement
5 hours ago
Mark is right here. Always a % of boomers were nationalists. Same % in younger folk, not enough, yet.

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
lets opt for the road less traveled

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
path of least resistance?

Aryan Futurist Joker
5 hours ago
o/

ancientviking
5 hours ago
not playing into jews hands might be a good start

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
fight fire with fire is my mantra

@Mcb
5 hours ago

@ancientviking
Ideas man

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
support of the general public will grow as diversity expands

@noreplacement
5 hours ago
Hate to burst any bubbles, but I don’t see much evidence of non-boomers stepping up in any greater numbers than within the boomer cohort

ancientviking
5 hours ago
venerate hitler in countries that despise him should work wonders

ancientviking
5 hours ago
So more swastikas and getting arrested helps?

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
white kids were the bullies …my school in Central Wisconsin had very little diversity then

@LottaSense
5 hours ago
whadda you mean “White children”? You mean other kids, right?

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
but their treatment motivated me to hit the gym and i got super jacked so jokes on them

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
white children bullied me for being so godamn white

@LottaSense
5 hours ago
all my favorite friends that were boys when I was little were gingers lol

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
i never formed friendships as a child i was a ginger

@LottaSense
5 hours ago
american public schools do the same thing to White children. constantly mix them up when they go to the next grade so they cant stay with their friends.

Vettekid1488
5 hours ago
that’s Diabolical

@SvenLongshanks
5 hours ago
they move prisoners around a lot as well, and you dont know what prison you will end up at when they bundle you into the van

@Mcb
6 hours ago
thanks Robert sorry I muted you

@SvenLongshanks
6 hours ago
Hi Chief

Chief Moody
6 hours ago
Evening troops

@robert1184
6 hours ago
Southport is lovely

@mcb

Vettekid1488
6 hours ago
traitors of the highest order is What they are

Vettekid1488
6 hours ago
2nd class status in your own homelands… despicable

Prison Ships
6 hours ago
No surprises. Our NeoBolshevik Oppressors murder us whenever they can get away with it.

@LottaSense
6 hours ago
“law” is subjective now. Not objective.

@Joesmith
6 hours ago
odysee keeps freezing

@Mcb
6 hours ago
I’ve got a bad feeling he won’t get bail

ancientviking
6 hours ago
i spose another heil hitler will do it, no trouble ever comes of it in commonwealth countries im sure

@vengeance
6 hours ago
o/

Vettekid1488
6 hours ago
hail mr. cotrell

DerCherusker
6 hours ago
Hail!

@Mcb
6 hours ago

@Daniel

Prison Ships
6 hours ago
OnlyQueers take requests on when or if to smile.

@Ihtultu
6 hours ago
Good evening everyone.

@Daniel
6 hours ago
You can’t win in seaside towns no matter what the actual demographics of the town are

@Mcb
6 hours ago
ok cheers

@Daniel
6 hours ago
Last time I was in Southport the actual residents were very white but full of Indians visiting

@SvenLongshanks
6 hours ago
hi serena

@Mcb
6 hours ago
BC

@SerenaJB
6 hours ago
Good evening.

@Mcb
6 hours ago
many nigs??

@Mcb
6 hours ago
Is Southport ok or a fcking hole??

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
23 hours ago
but he’d better off frowning when pictures are taken of him

@Obit_Anus_Onus_Abit
23 hours ago
Why the new thumbnail for Blair – he looks like he is affected by mental retardation. The old thumbnail with him frowning was much better, he looked somewhat heroic. He doesn’t look good smiling in photo, he doesn’t have the right features for that. Although he often grins when talking and that’s ok

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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Mark Collett: Hello everybody and welcome to Patriotic Weekly Review, episode number 315. And we’re live tonight on Odysee, DLive, Rumble and Entropy. And if you’re watching this show, please, please do share it, because this is one of the most important shows I’ve had scheduled in recent times.

 

And I’ll be introducing my guest very shortly. It’s Stephen Wells from Australia. And we’ll be talking the whole show about his experience in prison, his arrest, the way he was treated by the State, what led up to his arrest. The whole story will be told tonight and you’ll have your chance to answer questions or ask him questions. He’ll have a chance to answer questions from you toward the end of the show because it’s going to be a two hour show as always.

 

Now, if you like this show and if you think it’s a, you know, something that you want to support, if you like my work, please do consider giving a small donation. $3, $5, $10, whatever you can afford. Usually these shows are seen by thousands of people across multiple platforms and if everyone just gave a few dollars each week, they wouldn’t notice that money going to me. But we would notice that money in a huge way because it would build a powerful and well funded movement for the betterment of our people. So if everyone could chip in, that would be appreciated. If you can’t, that’s understandable.

 

And if you want to donate more generously, from the bottom of my heart, I thank you in advance.

 

Now, as ever, if you want to ask a question, please do ask a question and we will answer it in the second half of the show. So any question you attach to a donation and all the donations have to come through Entropy. Now you can do them through Rumble as well, but for most people, they’ll do them through Entropy. Any questions that you ask will be asked to Stephen in the second half of the show. So if there’s anything that isn’t covered for thoroughly in this first half, we’ll answer that in the second half.

 

Now you can also donate via crypto-currency. All the crypto links are in the description below and you can also write to me at mark@thefallofwesternman.com if you want to donate via other means.

 

Now all that’s out the way, I’ve got a few things coming up later this week. I’ve got something coming up on Sunday which I’m still working out. I’m live with Dr. David Duke on Friday afternoon. And finally I will be releasing a video on Friday about the situation in Liverpool on Bank Holiday Monday when a car ploughed into the Liverpool Football Club Premier League Winners Parade. Which is very interesting because it illustrates exactly how the establishment and the media treat the perpetrators of crime, depending on their race.

 

Now that’s all out of the way, let’s get into it and let’s start by welcoming Stephen Wells. Stephen Wells is a man who was a member of the NSN [National Socialist Network] in Australia. He turned up in Adelaide, and Adelaide was an important place because Adelaide had basically scrapped all celebrations of Australia Day. They’d pursued this sort of woke policy of trying to erase Australia Day. And the NSN turned up there, not to do a provocative protest, but simply to stand by the War Memorial and honour their war dead and to basically celebrate Australia Day, which I’m sure most Australians would agree with. And the police were absolutely appalling!

 

Now, I covered all this several times and I did a review of their side of the story, which was producing a wonderful documentary called Summer Nationals.

 

And obviously Steven’s plight is something that I’ve talked about on this show. I shared the fundraiser and the fundraiser is linked in the description below. So if you want to give to Stephen and his lovely wife to help them out after all they’ve been through, you can still do that. The fundraiser is still active and obviously they’re still feeling the effects of this.

 

Now, Stephen has been extremely brave, so is his wife. His wife is his fiercest advocate. I’ve got to know her a little bit over the last weeks and months when I’ve been speaking to her and I found out exactly what they’ve been through.

 

So I think it’s important to get Stephen on the show tonight so he can tell everything from his perspective. And we’re going to walk you through this from the very beginning, tell you the full story and let you know the sort of the plight of Stephen Wells, but also let you know a little bit about the repression that nationalists face in Australia, which is meant to be a free and Democratic nation.

 

Anyway, Stephen, it’s great to be joined by you this evening. Obviously, it’s early in the morning for you, so I appreciate the fact that you’re out of bed and you’re up and ready to go. I can understand you might be a little bit tired, but thank you for joining me. How are you feeling, my friend? How do you feel now you’ve been released from prison?

 

[04:41]

 

Stephen Wells: Yeah, great! Thank you. And thanks for having me on.

 

Yeah, I mean, it was kind of surreal the first day I woke up in my own bed. I’ve been talking to Tom [Sewell] just after I was released, and he was telling me about his experience of being in jail, and he was telling me all of these stories of everything seeming surreal. When he got out, to me, it was sort of the opposite. I woke up in bed that first morning and it felt like the past four months had just been a dream. I’d gone to sleep one night and had this dream about going to Adelaide. And four months later I woke up and:

 

“Oh, it was just a dream!”

 

It was like one of those tacky soap operas from Dallas where they bring Bobby back, you know, so. [chuckling]

 

So, yeah, I woke up once I got back feeling just as if everything was finally normal again. Different from my wife. She’s obviously been at home through the entire experience, so she’s having a lot harder problems than I am, just coming down from all of the stress what she went through.

 

But, yeah, as for myself, I’m feeling pretty good.

 

Mark Collett: Well, that’s good to hear. And I wasn’t going to get into this first, but I want to say, your wife has been absolutely amazing, and she really fought your corner so hard when you were in jail. And I understand you’re in jail, you were the man, you know, behind bars, you were facing all the things that we’re going to discuss later, but I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say that it’s very difficult as well for the people who are left behind. You know, people who are on the outside fighting for the freedom of their loved ones on the inside. It’s difficult for them, too. It’s very difficult for Laura when Sam here in the UK went to prison. But your wife has been absolutely amazing!

 

I don’t know if you want to say anything about that now before we get into the full story.

 

Stephen Wells: Yeah, I mean, she went through a lot worse than what I went through. I mean, all I was doing was sitting in the cell waiting around, so it’s not as if I had any agency to do anything, whereas she felt all of the pressure to actually get active every day and to try and fight for me every day. I mean, she was the one who I relied upon to contact people for legal stuff and to get things organised because I couldn’t do anything from the inside.

 

So I would say it’s actually much harder on the person on the outside than it is on the person on the inside. I had a few issues in the first few weeks, but otherwise I was just basically sitting in a cell. And no different to lying at home lazing around in bed. Obviously not as a comfortable bed. But yeah, I mean she was my rock. You know, I said to people she was both my greatest strength and my greatest weakness whilst I was in there. She was my greatest strength in that she was the one who was fighting hardest for me, and she was the one who I was most thinking of and trying to do things for. But she was also my greatest weakness because she was the one person who worried me. You know, I was worried about her welfare and staying strong when your wife is in tears on the phone to you is very difficult.

 

Mark Collett: Indeed.

 

Well, let’s go through the story and we’ll get to the time inside and the contact you had with the outside. So all of this started on Australia Day when you travelled to Adelaide. You flew out there to be part of the NSN’s Memorial Day activity. And it’s clear. Let’s make this clear from the start. This wasn’t a protest. It was an activity. You guys weren’t there to protest. You weren’t actually being provocative. You only had the Australian flags. You were singing Waltzing Matilda.

 

When you went out there. What kind of feeling did you have as you were going out there? Were you excited? Were you kind of apprehensive? Was it your first event of this kind? How did you feel as you were actually heading out?

 

Stephen Wells: Yeah, I mean, it’s hard to say exactly what the emotion was. I wasn’t overly excited. I wasn’t overly scared. I was just sort of, okay, this is something we’ve got to do kind of thing. It was the first sort of time that I’d done anything with the NSN. So I actually officially became a member exactly 37 minutes before I was arrested! Before that wasn’t officially a member. So because you don’t become a member of the NSN until you actually go out and do stuff with them. So I’d been part of the wider organisation, the European Australian Movement, which was more of a sort of a men’s group and community group that we sort of build up on the outside. But we don’t actually do any political activism. It’s just more of a case of like, almost like a doomsday prepper organisation, if you like. We just get together and we build a community and we’re just prepared for the next sort of Covid moment when they lock everybody down and you need a bunch of friends around you. So that’s pretty much all the EAM is. Although they try and paint us as this underground terrorist group in waiting.

 

But you know, we’ve got absolutely no violent aims whatsoever! It’s just literally going camping and fishing and training and stuff.

 

[10:18]

 

So when I was there in Adelaide, I mean we had a lot of stuff to try and avoid the police whilst we were trying to get to the War Memorial. We’d all parked in 360 degrees all the way around where we were supposed to be and in separate places it was very organised just because we knew from previous experience or the other guys knew from previous experience just to what lens the police would go to stop us even assembling.

 

So we were in teams of three. And I had a guy called Ninja who helped produce that documentary that you looked at the other day, who was our team leader, who’d been on a few campaigns before. And you know, we had the black trousers on but the hat and the sunglasses, I think the sunglasses were in my pocket. I had the hat on but had a regular Tshirt on to get there so that we wouldn’t be identified getting to the place going in small groups of three. We just looked like regular Australians on Australia Day. And we all had digital watches on that were synchronised so that we could get there at exactly 11 o’ clock. We were told that don’t be early, don’t be late, get down to the site at 2 minutes to 11 and then change your shirts. And T-shirts were, we’d ordered them in the backpack so when we took them out we knew whose shirt was whose and we wouldn’t be wasting time doing that. So it was, very precise!

 

And so there was a bit of sort of nerves in terms of that side of things but otherwise, you know, it wasn’t. Yeah, my emotions weren’t really heightened because I wasn’t really expecting anything sort of really outrageous to happen.

 

And the main reason we were sort of, I had any sort of thought about the police at all was just because the day before we’d done a Fun Run, a 10 kilometer Fun Run and the police had turned up at that and they were patrolling the streets in their cop cars, you know, trying to decipher who was an NSN member and who was a regular jogger. It was quite absurd the lengths they went to.

 

I mean, six months before the Brisbane Nationals, which I didn’t attend. You know, they turned up to a weightlifting event where there was women and children with submachine guns! And literally tried to raid a weightlifting event because it was the NSN doing it. You know, that’s how paranoid and absolutely nuts the police are in terms of what they think of us.

 

Mark Collett: So you were already expecting police pushback before you arrived and you kind of knew what you were getting into. But at the time you sort of touched down on the tarmac in Adelaide, you weren’t actually a member. You met up with the guys, you joined up, you were ready, you had your outfit, you had your cap on, your sunglasses and you started heading towards the War Memorial. So I’m guessing at the time you headed down there you were all in pretty good spirits and there was a good feeling of camaraderie in the air. The weather looked fantastic, you guys were singing and everything seemed to have a real energy about it, or from what I saw anyway, from the footage from Summer Nationals.

 

So at the time you were heading down there, were people expecting arrests or were you expecting to pull off the event, pull off your Memorial Day event and then leave? Was that really what it was about? Did people expect the level of pushback you received?

 

Stephen Wells: Yes and no. I mean, my wife had a premonition before I went that I was going to be arrested and then, and I kind of was expecting to be arrested. I don’t know why, I can’t say. I know that I’ve been a high profile person for a while anyway, even outside of the NSN. Just some things I’ve written and also through my time during the Covid era.

 

And I also had this idea in my mind of not compromising when it came to tactics of coercion. So I’d actually said to my mum you know, before I went:

 

“Yeah, I’m going to Adelaide to get arrested!”

 

But it was like half joking. In terms of what we actually planned on the day and my thoughts about whether I would be arrested or not, I was more confident that I would be able to have an event without too much incident just due to how well that Tom and the guys had planned it.

 

The idea was basically to get to the War Memorial, sing Waltzing Matilda, maybe chant a few slogans just so that we could bait the TV cameras into covering us and saying horrible things about us. But mainly it was just to sing Waltzing Matilda. We were told to say to any person we passed on the street to say Happy Australia Day to, regardless of who it was. And the idea was stay there long enough to get the TV cameras to show up, to do their hit pieces on us.

 

And then as soon as that was achieved, you know, get back, split up, go back to your Airbnbs, and then we’d meet up down the beach and we’d have the rest of the Australia Day down the beach.

 

So it was really only supposed to be take no more than an hour. And just the meticulous way that everything had been planned from getting there within the exact minute, to code words to break up and run in different directions, to get back to our cars if something went wrong. It had been planned down to the finest detail. So I was starting to feel like, yeah, maybe I would walk away with this without getting in trouble.

 

And even when it came to being arrested like, I wasn’t planning on doing anything to get me arrested. I had my wife berating Ninja, who, as I said, was a team leader and from the same area and did all the documentaries and stuff. She had berated him, basically saying:

 

“Look after him make sure he doesn’t do anything stupid, make sure he keeps his temper under control!”

 

So, yeah, I was feeling reasonably confident that it would come off without too much incident, but it wasn’t to be.

 

[17:09]

 

Mark Collett: So you get there, you begin the activity, you’re around the memorial, you’ve been very polite to people, you’ve said, happy Australia Day, you’re singing Walsing Matilda. And the police then initially seem to come in, sort of female officers on bikes, etc. But I saw in the video, it wasn’t long before the police presence increased dramatically and a lot more male officers arrived who were obviously going to be far more able to break things up and to arrest people. At which point did you get arrested? Were you one of the people arrested at the War Memorial or were you one of the people arrested as you walked away?

 

Stephen Wells: So I was arrested about 35 minutes after the assembly first started.

 

So 30 seconds before I arrived, the first people were at the War Memorial. I’ve seen later, I didn’t know it at the time, but within seconds of the first people arriving, there were police telling them to get off the War Memorial, and:

 

“Get off the War Memorial, you’re loitering!”

 

So they had the loitering thing in their head right from the beginning. I didn’t hear that command because I was sort of walking towards it. So I arrived within about 30 seconds of the first people arriving. The rest of the group had arrived within another 30 seconds. And then we all started singing Waltzing Matilda.

 

So we went through about two renditions of Waltzing Matilda. Then Tom arrived himself. And as Tom arrived already, there was 50, 60 plus police already in the area.

 

I mean, the resources they must have used, be able to get that many police to our specific location that quickly must have been absolutely enormous, what they must have spent on that! And then one police officer shouted out:

 

“You need to leave here! Now!”

 

You know, that’s the only, that’s the only command I heard first. And then Tom said:

 

“We are being persecuted for just simply celebrating Australia Day. We are., ..!”

 

That was about as far as he got. And they arrested him and they arrested two others. One guy was thrown to the ground already at that point. So he didn’t even give us time to leave. It was just like Tom got like two words out of his mouth and then they arrested him and two others. So Joel immediately took over as soon as Tom was grabbed and says:

 

“Move out!”

 

And so we all followed Joel and we basically marched off down the street and got into formation as quickly as we could. So the, so the rest of us couldn’t be dragged off the street right there and then.

 

We then walked for about 10 minutes down the street at a high pace, singing Waltzing Matilda, 38 degree day, Black Shirt, black trousers. I’d done a 10k run for the first time the day before and I was absolutely knackered. Forgot to bring water with me. [chuckling] And we ended up at another memorial. And Joel stopped there and he made a speech, or started making a speech. I think he also got about two, three minutes into a speech.

 

And then the police were sort of following us and the first police were sort of following us at our pace.

 

And by the time Joel was halfway through his speech, the fat piggies had managed to sort of catch up with us. You know, they were puffing and trying to work off their donuts from the night before. And then police horses started to arrive. They weren’t, they probably weren’t Shire horses, but they looked big enough, you know, 18 hands plus, they were big bloody horses! And that looked a bit precarious. So Joel moved us out again. We didn’t wait for a move on order this time. We just moved, started marching again.

 

The street curved around to the Left. And then we crossed over the road and took another, right turn, walked up the street again, singing and walking. And in front of us then there was a roadblock of just physical bodies of police. A few dozen and another few more horses were right in front of us.

 

And they shouted the second order that I heard that day, which was:

 

“You can’t come this way!”

 

And Joel thinking on his feet was just like:

 

“No problem! We’ll turn around then!”

 

And shouted back at them. And we all just turned around and went back in the other direction.

 

So we went back the way we came to where the second War Memorial was at the start of some kind of park. We went back there and then we crossed over the road and went into the park. So we were all crossing into the park and by this point there’s just, there was hundreds and hundreds of police by this point! And they were in front of us, they were at the side of us, they were behind us.

 

And then the final order I heard was:

 

“Halt!”

 

And so Joel then decided that this is just not going to happen. And he shouted out a code word for us all to split up. Once we heard that word halt. And everybody just broke for it. I’ve got about two steps and a policeman grabbed me and I was arrested and that was it.

 

Mark Collett: So basically what you’re saying is Stephen, this entire nightmare would have been mitigated had you not done the 10k run the day earlier and you’d have been swiftly footed. So has your wife banned, ..? I wish you could get the wife out now so we could ask her, has she banned all forms of cardio the day before any future protests?

 

[23:06]

 

Stephen Wells: [chuckling] No, she’s actually getting me doing cardio again. Probably thinking, fitter next time, I think! Because I’d only managed to do seven and a half K of actual running of that 10K run, the day before. I’d had a bad knee. I’ll give my excuses now. I had a bad knee for most of the previous year, so I’d hardly done any cardio before going into it. I think I’d done like a 2, 2k runs along the beach before we’d done that event.

 

And so when I was actually pretty happy with myself doing the 7 1/2 K of the 10.

 

But then we had to, even for that, we had to walk for 40 minutes to get to the event and have to walk 40 minutes back and there was two and a half K of like crawling and walking and stuff. So I was pretty knackered.

 

But I don’t think it would have helped too much. As I said, I got literally two steps and I was grabbed and another, you know, dozen of the guys were grabbed.

 

As I said, they were literally all around us. And being one of the oldest in the group. Yeah, running, running wasn’t really the main thing for me, so especially not like high speed sprinting that was required to get away from them. So, yeah, I don’t think there was much hope of me getting away.

 

Mark Collett: Well, you obviously you were caught. [chuckling]

 

I mean, that leads us to the next, next, the next part of the story. So what ended up happening is obviously you were caught, they grabbed hold of you, and once they grabbed hold of you were presumably arrested and taken to the police station. But tell us what happened when they grabbed hold of you, how the arrest went and what went on between the time of the arrest and the time of you getting to the police station.

 

Stephen Wells: Yeah, so I’d, I’d done a fair bit of training during the Covid years of like, how to react if a policeman arrests you.

 

So I just immediately stood still, blurted out that:

 

“I wasn’t going to resist arrest. I will be compliant. Please don’t hurt me!”

 

I think with the first words out of my mouth, I wanted that loud and clear to make sure that I didn’t get brutalised. That’s something I trained for back in the Covid era when they were arresting everyone for wearing, not wearing a mask or whatever.

 

So I just stood still.

 

And then another female officer came and wanted to put cuffs on me. I made the mistake of putting my hands behind my back instead of in front of me. I should have asked. I should have. That was probably my biggest mistake of the day was putting my hands behind my back and allowing myself to be handcuffed with my hands behind my back. That really came back on me later. And then I just said:

 

“Oh, you know what, can we go and stand in the shade under the tree here?”

 

And they’re like:

 

“Yeah, okay, yeah.”

 

And so they were quite okay with that. And then I said:

 

“Do you mind if I ask what the charge is?”

 

And she says:

 

“Loitering!”

 

I went:

 

“Loitering? Don’t you have to be staying in one place to be loitering?”

 

She says:

 

“Well, you weren’t obeying our orders!”

 

I went:

 

“Okay.”

 

And so I thought:

 

“Well, there’s no point arguing with police.”

 

If police are going to arrest you, they’re going to arrest you. Like a lot of people make the mistake of arguing with police when they’re doing that sort of stuff. It’s really pointless. All it does is agitate them and give a risk to you of being beaten up.

 

So first advice to anybody is if ever the police arrest you, just let them arrest you, sort it out later. Until we get to sort of Soviet Union standards where you have the Solzhenitsyn* idea that once you’ve been arrested, you’re already dead.

 

[* Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn was a Soviet and Russian author and dissident who helped to raise global awareness of political repression in the Soviet Union, especially the Gulag prison system. He was awarded the 1970 Nobel Prize in Literature “for the ethical force with which he has pursued the indispensable traditions of Russian literature”. His non-fiction work The Gulag Archipelago “amounted to a head-on challenge to the Soviet state” and sold tens of millions of copies. Wikipedia]

 

So that’s another matter. But we’re not quite there yet. So, yeah, if anybody arrests you just stand still and let them do it.

 

So I was quite compliant, I was quite relaxed. I was arrested but not taken to prison for not wearing a mask about three years before. And so I was quite chill about it. I just thought:

 

“Okay, well, they’ll take us away and they’ll go through the process and I’ll get bail and whatever else.”

 

So I was quite relaxed. Stood there for about three or four minutes or five minutes maybe, waiting for the van to organise everything. And eventually they took me over to the police van. It was a big sort of Ford Transit type van, or a Mercedes van, you know, big van. And they bundled me into the side. And as I was being bundled in, somebody, I don’t know if it was a journalist, or a member of the public, you know, said:

 

“What are you being arrested for?”

 

I went:

 

“Loitering apparently!”

 

And then the police shoved me in and slammed the door.

 

So I was in the side door. The van had sort of like a special compartment that was obviously made to order. So it was very shallow in terms of depth. There’s just enough space to put my arse cheeks on the metal seat, but no space for my legs. My knees were almost hard up against the side of the van and my hands are behind my back. So I’m sort of sitting in here. It’s a bit uncomfortable, but the beginning is not too bad. Took about 20 minutes to get to the police station, I think. It felt like a lot longer. And I could hear the other guys in the van, they were all still singing and going through the Nationalist Songbook. So I joined in with them and we were singing to each other from different parts of the van that we were all separated from each other for.

 

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(Comments as of 5/29/2025 = 203)

Mark Collett
3 hours ago
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ThinRedLine
1 hour ago
o/

Trojan Big Ballz
1 hour ago
Today he should be referred with reverence as Stephen ‘Staunch AF’ Wells, tomorrow after we have regained control of our Nations after banishing the invaders he will become known as Saint Stephen Wells

withey
1 hour ago
goodnight all wpww 28 14/88 we will win

Stan1
1 hour ago
Thanks Stephen, Mark – have a great day/evening

ThinRedLine
1 hour ago
Good night Brothers and Sisters

@BritishGammon
1 hour ago
Great streamThanks

ThinRedLine
1 hour ago
Australia lockdowns were crazy

withey
1 hour ago

@Carlota
and displaying symbols, heaven forbid symbols

Stan1
1 hour ago
We shall not be moved. In fact, it just inspires us further. That’s what they fear.

@BritishGammon
1 hour ago
Another own goal by the anti Whites

withey
1 hour ago
this stream is most uplifting

ThinRedLine
1 hour ago
Defiance

Stan1
1 hour ago
Great show.

Teutonic Truth
1 hour ago
Iron Crosses of Honour

withey
1 hour ago
hold to principal

ThinRedLine
1 hour ago
The NSN docu was I have watched 3-4 times

withey
1 hour ago

@Stan1
agreed

Stan1
1 hour ago
Aussie State is clearly panicking.

withey
1 hour ago
drink water and drink milk, and on special occasions alcohol

Mr._Stiffson
1 hour ago
Monster White Pineapple

Knowthingman
1 hour ago
12 eggs a day produces enough gas to

withey
1 hour ago
eating lots of eggs at once is hard, very filling

ThinRedLine
1 hour ago
12 eggs, that is a lot

Reclaim
1 hour ago
the Vegemite began to hate

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Mr._Stiffson
1 hour ago
lol

ThinRedLine
1 hour ago
he will win

withey
1 hour ago
I had a black put her hand into my bowl of food because she hadn’t had hers and I had the last of it…a simple conversation would have resolved it

withey
1 hour ago
we can’t tolerate the intolerable

@Appalachia_Invicta
1 hour ago
lmao. Mark’s eyes almost popped out of his head when Wells dropped the hard R

withey
1 hour ago
it’s nothing personal, I just hate them for being them and love us for being us

Knowthingman
1 hour ago
gubergibsment jobs

withey
1 hour ago
I don’t want to give them ideas

Rufus Page
1 hour ago
Hahahahah

withey
1 hour ago
just so long as the state doesn’t just take the money

@JupiterFive
1 hour ago

@FloridaKid
The evil people hate God!

ThinRedLine
1 hour ago

@ReclaimYourNeighborhood
o/

Reclaim
1 hour ago

@withey
:slight_smile:

Reclaim
1 hour ago

@TheThinRedLine
:slight_smile:

DissentingAdult
1 hour ago
God is not nationalistic haha Christianity does not preach/teach that… we’re all brothers in Christ hahaha

withey
1 hour ago

@ReclaimYourNeighborhood
agreed

ThinRedLine
1 hour ago

@ReclaimYourNeighborhood
true, an inspiration

Reclaim
1 hour ago
Stephen is a heroic figure in an age of weak men

Teutonic Truth
1 hour ago
Creepy people disdain The GodMan who never sins. How very nefarious.

ThinRedLine
1 hour ago
Good woman

Knowthingman
1 hour ago
a tested and unbroken spirit is a thing of beauty

withey
1 hour ago
we are all heroes here

ThinRedLine
1 hour ago
Stephen is right we will ONLY win through sacrifice

DissentingAdult
1 hour ago

@knowthingman
not exactly but whatever

withey
1 hour ago
his accent is English from what I can hear

Knowthingman
1 hour ago

@szajer
:thumbs_up:

withey
1 hour ago

@knowthingman
agreed

@szajer
1 hour ago
Gotta get Jacob Goodwin on for an interview. He was just released after 7years locked up for Charlottesville

Knowthingman
1 hour ago
*chance

Knowthingman
1 hour ago
I’m just saying that if you are offered a plea deal, you should fight instead. the mere offer of a plea out is evidence the case is weak and you have a change. not legal advise, of course. just an opinion.

withey
1 hour ago
we need to get the wife on the stream

withey
1 hour ago

@knowthingman
they’re working on their target from 9-5, they don’t care who the target is

Knowthingman
1 hour ago
and prosecutors want to win. it’s good for their careers.

Knowthingman
1 hour ago

@withey
but it IS their time

withey
1 hour ago

@knowthingman
it’s not their money

@RonP1
1 hour ago
Race is the basis of all true politics

withey
1 hour ago
greater good comes first, our race is everything

@JupiterFive
1 hour ago
Great principles!

Knowthingman
1 hour ago
this guy gets it

withey
1 hour ago
hurting those you can’t bear to hurt is hard

ThinRedLine
1 hour ago
yes

@szajer
1 hour ago

@FloridaKid
I know, man. It’s crazy the amount of litigation against us. So many of their tentacles are reaching everywhere at once.

Knowthingman
1 hour ago
it feels pretty good actually

DissentingAdult
1 hour ago

@szajer
Blood Tribe is in deep shit ..being taken to court by the city of Springfield Ohio for threats

withey
1 hour ago
no will to comply, coercion

Knowthingman
1 hour ago
obviously if you are guilty and it’s a slam dunk case there wouldn’t even be the opportunity to plead out.

Knowthingman
1 hour ago

@withey
not necessarily. trials cost money. if they don’t think they have a very strong case dismissal or dropping charges is far higher.

@Evola19
1 hour ago
They were using the legal system to hope you would be killed in prison. Just pure evil.

withey
1 hour ago

@knowthingman
only if they’ve misapplied the law or if there’s no evidence

Stan1
1 hour ago
Surely a case to sue.

Knowthingman
1 hour ago
you plead out you lose. only chance to win is fight the charges.

withey
1 hour ago
misapplying the law

Mr._Stiffson
2 hours ago
lol

@JupiterFive
2 hours ago
He should have said he’s Kosher diet.

withey
2 hours ago
o/

JokerWaffen
2 hours ago
o/

Knowthingman
2 hours ago

@BritishGammon
best advise in chat

ancientviking
2 hours ago
eggs are good protein though

@BritishGammon
2 hours ago
I’m sure if you asked for kosher food there wouldn’t be an issue

@Evola19
2 hours ago
So much for human rights

Knowthingman
2 hours ago
not the starvation thing though…that’s special treatment

Knowthingman
2 hours ago

@Carlota
often it’s standard practice for anything

Teutonic Truth
2 hours ago
Creepy people are a dime a dozen.

@szajer
2 hours ago
Oi! Mr Wells! How did you ever find solace without your RedBull and PlayStation, mate!!!

withey
2 hours ago
I would take solitary

withey
2 hours ago
hail

@Chief_Moody

ancientviking
2 hours ago
evening

Chief Moody
2 hours ago
Evening troops

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
never relax

Knowthingman
2 hours ago
locked in a zoo, not a prison

Mr._Stiffson
2 hours ago
eyes WIDE OPEN, then …

ancientviking
2 hours ago

@Yagoda
Yahweh be with you my middle eastern brother!

withey
2 hours ago
employers immediately get rid of you, purely because it’s a bad image for the company

Teutonic Truth
2 hours ago
Belligerent AntiChrists are objectively creepy people.

Mr._Stiffson
2 hours ago
ohhh nice …..

@Daniel
2 hours ago
a man’s got to do what a man’s got to do

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
We have got to have each others backs

@Daniel
2 hours ago
this guy is epic

withey
2 hours ago

@noreplacement
when you are in the situation it’s ok, but for your loved ones it’s hell

0KT0BER
2 hours ago
conquered by race traitors for coin and title

ancientviking
2 hours ago

@Yagoda
such as yourself

Teutonic Truth
2 hours ago
Conquered by “cheek turners”.

ancientviking
2 hours ago

@RonP1
Good, I hope more do lol

@RonP1
2 hours ago

@ancientviking
But I get what you mean

@noreplacement
2 hours ago
Surely it wasn’t Stephen causing his wife to fret. It was the state

ancientviking
2 hours ago

@RonP1
Fair play

@RonP1
2 hours ago

@ancientviking
I don’t bother with any religion

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago

@withey
Hail

ancientviking
2 hours ago

@RonP1
and the original antifa was christianity

Teutonic Truth
2 hours ago
JKohneNwg is a security guard at a DC area gulag.

withey
2 hours ago
hail

@TheThinRedLine

@RonP1
2 hours ago
The Police = the uniformed section of Antifa

Knowthingman
2 hours ago
you know right away whether a person has been arrested or not based on their opinion of the police.

DissentingAdult
2 hours ago
he’s got a back bone

@Daniel
2 hours ago
based boomer Stephen

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
He is a good man

DissentingAdult
2 hours ago
this gent has moxie

Steve stone
2 hours ago
A very principled guest Mark. I like him.

ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
Good evening Folks

DissentingAdult
2 hours ago
I’ll swear on a stack of foreskins

DissentingAdult
2 hours ago
they’ll never take me alive

Knowthingman
2 hours ago
um. no

ancientviking
2 hours ago
jews for y aye4?

ancientviking
2 hours ago

@knowthingman
And before that you need to swear upon a bible ….

Knowthingman
2 hours ago
somewhat odd. in the US, you’re losing your clothes and given what to wear first thing after booking and before sent to cell or tank

withey
2 hours ago
blurred out

ancientviking
2 hours ago
How about just standing up for your people in numbers? .. seems to elude most

withey
2 hours ago
with champagne

withey
2 hours ago
caviar

ancientviking
2 hours ago
Gay for God

Knowthingman
2 hours ago
and in the can they have a million ways to mess with you if they wish

withey
2 hours ago
wouldn’t risk allergies

Teutonic Truth
2 hours ago
Queer infested prison medical staff.

Rufus Page
2 hours ago
haha wow

Knowthingman
2 hours ago
yes, cops do enjoy it

Rufus Page
2 hours ago
Sounds like Medieval torture

withey
2 hours ago

@RonP1
oh ok

@SerenaJB
2 hours ago
Poor guy. Cramp is so painful.

Rufus Page
2 hours ago
hahaha wow

@RonP1
2 hours ago

@withey
Joke

withey
2 hours ago

@RonP1
no, we’ve all had the cramps he speaks of

@RonP1
2 hours ago
guys falling apart

withey
2 hours ago
always cooperate, it’s only a procedure, from start to finish nothing can change it

ancientviking
2 hours ago

@Yagoda
Not always

Knowthingman
2 hours ago
circumcised justice system

Teutonic Truth
2 hours ago

@av
Blessed are the pure in heart.

@RonP1
2 hours ago
Kosher Justice sucks

withey
2 hours ago
white people use diplomacy, blacks run

Knowthingman
2 hours ago
where do they send you if you don’t wear a mask in prison ?

ancientviking
2 hours ago

@Yagoda
Best wear the armour of god aye?

@Daniel
2 hours ago
Australia is rediscovering its prison camp heritage

@ItWasMadeUp
2 hours ago
He didn’t do anything wrong, he deserves significant compensation.

Teutonic Truth
2 hours ago
Christians warned about Debased “entertainers” in the early 20th Century and C-rap in the late, but Loudmouth Cowards failed to heed. Failed to heed..

ancientviking
2 hours ago
abrahamic religions for ya

RevolutionOfAncestralReturn
2 hours ago
was your meticulous planning done on a digital device or social media?

Stan1
2 hours ago
Of course, no other group would face this amount of political mistreatment

@RonP1
2 hours ago
Doing dirty work for the Jews – what a job

@Mcb
2 hours ago
evil

Stan1
2 hours ago
Pure political persecution by the Police

ancientviking
2 hours ago
lol

@wcphillips1082
2 hours ago
cool the guest showed up this time

@Mcb
2 hours ago
military precision

JohnDuly
2 hours ago
ur a bigger man than I am. my wife would say no u r not going and I would have pussed out

joo shoo
2 hours ago
being White in public

ancientviking
2 hours ago
evening

Steve stone
2 hours ago
evening good people

withey
2 hours ago
Australian state is ‘fragile’

@RonP1
2 hours ago
Commie Cops – Imagine taking a wage & being part of the current vile system

@Daniel
2 hours ago
100% respect to the NSN guys for being so hardcore

joo shoo
2 hours ago
police seeking “joggers” in ausie-land is different than that in the US

withey
2 hours ago
I love how militaristic this sounds

ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
Actually, he does sound English

ToffeeL10
3 hours ago

@daniel
i think he’s an Aussie with a slightly softer accent

@RonP1
3 hours ago
100 years back patriots spoke of the ‘British Race’ the black man doesn’t come into it

@Daniel
3 hours ago
didn’t realise he was a Pom

@ItWasMadeUp
3 hours ago
A lot of respect for this man o/

withey
3 hours ago
good evening all, 14/88 28 wpww

ancientviking
3 hours ago
i wake up at 4 am most days

@RonP1
3 hours ago
What the hell is ‘White British’, it’s just British. They obviously introduced White British to go with so-called Black British

@Appalachia_Invicta
3 hours ago
Mark is late? Counter terror must have raided him

@Mcb
3 hours ago
hail Wells

@Mcb
3 hours ago
White man fight back

theSmirkingGrape
3 hours ago
hello hello

Stan1
3 hours ago

@SerenaJB
Evening Serena. Good to see you

@Mcb
3 hours ago
WellsGod

@BritishGammon
3 hours ago
14

@SerenaJB
3 hours ago
Good evening.

@Mcb
3 hours ago
No more nons

Stan1
3 hours ago
Massive Kudos for the early morning

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DerCherusker
3 hours ago
Hail!

The Resident Baker
3 hours ago
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Stan1
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14

Stan1
3 hours ago
14 for Stephen

@Daniel
3 hours ago
damn they look like brothers

@Mcb
3 hours ago
Stephen Wells you’re my hero

The Resident Baker
3 hours ago
Hail Stephen Wells o/

@Mcb
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Wellsy, Wellsy

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Joel Davis – WWII Revisionism Re-enters the Mainstream – Sep 6, 2024 – Transcript

Damien Richardson: Welcome back to Damienrichardson.online where we are continuing, definitely today we’re continuing to have the difficult conversations. We’re talking to retired academic Frank Salter. Once we hear the title of the book that he’s recently published with a colleague of his, Harry Richardson. I think we might wonder whether he actually retired if he was thrown out of academia because the name of the book is Anglophobia, the Unrecognized Hatred.

 

Frank Salter, welcome to the show.

 

Frank Salter: Nice, nice to be here.

 

Damien Richardson: Now, Frank, what prepossessed you to even be to begin to write a book with that title?

 

Frank Salter: Well, what began it was I received a 6,000 word email, in effect from my co-author Harry Richardson. And he said:

 

“I’ve got an idea for an article.”

 

We thought it would be maybe about that long, 6,000 words. It went to almost ten times that.

 

And he had this argument, which is the structure of the book, which is talking about everyone else can have their home country but not us. Anglo Australians and all other European nations are not permitted to have their own country where they remain the super majority. Not just a 51% majority, but an 85, a 90% majority, which most other peoples aspire to. They might not have it, but they aspire to it. They can lobby for it, they can agitate for it and they’re not called Nazis. Right?

 

So territory is homeland is a basic one, or control of immigration and so on and so forth.

 

And I thought this is rhetorically really powerful.

 

So between us, his concept of the book became a book project, took us a year. And with my academic training together, it was a great combination. And we came up with this book that I think covers a lot of the sensitive areas.

 

Damien Richardson: The book was only recently published, wasn’t it?

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, earlier this year [2023]

 

Damien Richardson: Earlier this year. How’s it been received in academic circles and also by the broader public?

 

Frank Salter: Not one review! It’s just been ignored, except on the dissident side of politics. It’s dissident Right. It’s been acknowledged, been reviewed. It was published initially in Quadrant magazine, which is Australia’s premiere intellectual magazine for conservatives. Quadrant magazine’s been running for 50, 60 years.

 

So it was published in a huge, you know, series, four long articles with other part of the book.

 

So that was good. And we had good responses from readers there.

 

But in academe, no, I think I can’t think of one review.

 

Damien Richardson: So why is it being ignored? Talk us through that process. Why would it be ignored? You have fine credentials, you worked overseas, as part of academia as well as in Australia, as well as your colleague, so why would it be ignored?

 

Frank Salter: Well, for the same reason that I could not find a job in Australia! I had to work overseas at a research Institute in Europe for 20 years. I couldn’t find work in Australia. Why? Because my field of study, it’s not Right-wing or anything, but I study human nature and how that underpins political systems.

 

So I’m a political scientist trained at Sydney University, PhD, Griffith University in Brisbane. My doctoral dissertation was published by Oxford University Press. You can’t do better than that. And my supervisor, [chuckling] my Professor said:

 

“You’ve got it. You’re home and hosed, Frank. You’re home and hosed! This is it!”

 

I mean, if Oxford publishes your PhD dissertation, you can just sort of name your position. It’s great!

 

No chance! I had just no chance. And for that same reason, the book is just ignored. Books on the Right are just ignored.

 

Damien Richardson: So it proves your thesis in many respects, doesn’t it?

 

Frank Salter: It does. It does!

 

Damien Richardson: And what is your thesis?

 

Frank Salter: That there’s been a Cultural Revolution which became manifest, it started earlier, but it became manifest in the 1960s with the student rebellions across the West. And then went through the 1970s. It’s called the Counterculture. I mean, it was pretty easy to notice. And it was called a Cultural Revolution, but it went much deeper.

 

And what it reflected was a change in cultural elites right through the West’s history and the history of other countries. Their intellectual elites have reflected, have belonged to the people, they’ve been part of the people, they’ve come from the people often, and they haven’t critiqued or sought to tear down the basic society, the structure of society and so on.

 

They’ve actually been loyal to it, although critical here and there, of course, being intellectuals got to be critical of something, I suppose. But they wouldn’t want to tear down the whole structure. That changed.

 

Now there’s a literature on this. Eric Kaufman, for example, his 2004 book, The Rise and Fall of Anglo America. Eric Kaufman, still alive, valuable colleague, Harvard University Press. This is mainstream academy.

 

And he pointed out that by the 1950s, the cosmopolitan Left had captured elite American universities. The American university system at the top, not the bottom of it. There is like two or 3,000 American universities, most of them low powered two year colleges. But the elite ones, Princeton, Harvard and the big state systems, those universities were in effect captured by the late 1950s.

 

Ten years later, you have the student uprising, hating America, hating its history, hating their ancestors! Which really peaked in the 1970s. And people look back and they think:

 

“Oh, yeah, that’s interesting. But it’s gone now.”

 

No, it’s not gone! The rebels are now Professors! The rebels became the Professors. The rebels change the curriculum so that our school system now in Australia, this trickled down to Australia, because all these academic disciplines are global.

 

So you have the Society for Political Science, for example, has international connections. They’re all linked.

 

[07:15]

 

Damien Richardson: As a result of our connection to the US Empire, because we’re part of that empire, a suzerain, I would say of the American empire, and as a result, that Civil Rights Movement that you talk about, that really took hold in the sixties, then we got it, by Corollary, to just to maintain, to be part of that empire. Is that right?

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, I think there is a connection, but it’s deeper than that there are civilizational connections. So Australia was traditionally connected with Britain, and Britain had the peak academic bodies, and then Australian universities would hire them.

 

Now, as we matured, we trained up our own academics. Fine. But any serious scientific or academic discipline will be global, will be international, because it doesn’t matter who comes up with an idea. It can be black skinned, White skin, could be Asian, could be whatever. If it’s truth, it’s truth! If it’s science, it’s science! So these disciplines are fundamentally international in their outlook.

 

And so when you have dominant metropolitan powers, such as Britain during its Empire days or America during its empire days, it has tremendous ability to capture that, to influence the overall flavor of disciplines and also of culture.

 

So America also was a major, the global major exporter of popular culture, Hollywood, musical culture, and so on.

 

And part of that, Britain became part of that power structure. So these ideas flowed down. So Australian, for example, Australian immigration policy has roughly remained in sync with American immigration policy.

 

So America opened its doors to third world immigration in 1965, a piece of legislation which dismantled what they had in place, which basically forged, made America what it was, which is an extension of European civilization. 1965, that was dismantled. In Australia, it was 1969.

 

So there’s been a rough correspondence.

 

Why? Because these trends are international. And it’s not just because of who is currently in power in America. It’s deeper than that it’s more Deep State. It’s more Deep State, or establishment power involved.

 

Damien Richardson: Yeah, because it’s not party political then, is it at all? Because the 69 would have been a Liberal prime minister in Australia.

 

Frank Salter: Exactly!

 

Damien Richardson: [Harold] Holt. Yes, to brought about this cultural change.

 

Frank Salter: Exactly! So it began mildly, and then it became more and more radical, and you had Whitlam. And already Whitlam’s 72 to 75 were his years. Already he introduced political multiculturalism as the official ideology, which from then on, more and more governed immigration policy and also domestic ethnic policy.

 

Who’s on top? What is the ethnic hierarchy? Well, it wasn’t us on top anymore, I can tell you! [chuckling] It flipped the hierarchy to be minority centric!

 

Damien Richardson: So the White Anglo Saxon Protestant was on top previous to this cultural shift. You’re saying that occurred post Second World War?

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, and this was the case from the beginning. The Australian immigration policy made Australia. It forged what we are, our basic identity, which is at its heart, its Anglo, but in the broader sense of being Western civilization and so on.

 

So it encompasses Irish, encompasses Scottish, and goes beyond the British Isles to people from a broad European background.

 

Now, we had a shock to the system in the mid-19th century during the gold rushes, when there was, for a time, unrestricted Chinese immigration. And the Chinese being what they are, hardworking, studious, and they went overseas. There was a gold rush. Why wouldn’t they? But it didn’t work out culturally. It was a disaster, actually, culturally! And that really shocked the six colonies because several of them had their own gold rushes at different times. It was a shock!

 

And so when the Federation movement began in the 1890s and then culminated in 1901 with the Commonwealth being created, the first piece of legislation, the first was the Restrictive Immigration Act. That was the first, the most important thing that they had on the table. And they said:

 

“Well, obviously, we must have, …”

 

The point wasn’t, as the Left would say:

 

“Oh, it’s Anglo supremacism!”

 

The point was assimilation. That was the point! The point was to bring people in who would readily assimilate.

 

And in the great speeches leading up to Federation and immediately after Federation, they pointed at the United States as a negative example of where not to go if you want to have a cohesive country. They pointed to the civil war. They pointed to slavery, the terrible conflict over freeing the black slaves. And this terrible conflict, which killed 600,000 Americans, it was. Tore America apart during the civil war in the 1860s. And they said:

 

“We don’t want that!”

 

So they were determined. So Australian immigration policy can be taken back, actually taken back, right to Arthur Phillips, the first governor, or Hunter immediately after him. When it was put to him:

 

“Listen, we need more women. Let’s bring in some women from the Pacific islands, from the South Pacific. We can find lots of women there!”

 

And [chuckling] he said:

 

“No, I think we’ll do it ourselves. I think we can bring women.”

 

If he’d made a different decision, our history would be different. We’d now be a different people.

 

Damien Richardson: We’ll be paying a lot more reparations to another group of people, too. [chuckling] At this particular point in time.

 

That Restrictive Immigration Act that you’re talking about now is, there’s no subtlety or no understanding of where it’s actually come from historically, like you’ve just talked us through. It’s just used, it’s weaponized now against the nation as just being inherently “racist” from its inception.

 

Frank Salter: Exactly! And what is not taught is that this goes back to some pretty wise people contributed to that policy. My favorite, I have two favorites. One is the great English scholar, what was his name? John Stuart Mill. The father of liberalism, by the way.

 

Damien Richardson: On liberty. Yes.

 

Frank Salter: Yeah. And the father of women’s rights. He wrote the first major essay on saying:

 

“This is outrageous, that women don’t have the vote!”

 

And so on.

 

So he was a really fundamental pioneer of liberalism. He wrote another book that the Left never talks about, [chuckling] which was called On Nationality. I think it was called On Nationality. And he said:

 

“You know, if you want to have a cohesive country, you need to have it formed from people of the same background.”

 

And you put it differently. He approached it from the point of view of individual rights, which you’d expect a liberal to do. What would a person with liberty choose? And he said:

 

“If you just look at the world, what people choose to do is live among their own kind. They choose that.”

 

And by the way, that’s true in Australia, now! It’s true in every multicultural society. You get people clustering! Clustering together! Not because they’re whipped there, but because they choose! They want it. They live among comfortable people.

 

Now, as intermarriage happens, that blurs, of course, and you get integration happening. But sometimes you don’t get integration happening. Like the American racial scene is a disaster! Because the intermarriage rate between black and white, it’s there, but it’s very low, at a very low standard.

 

Damien Richardson: So you talk about these things. What explains the inconsistencies? Because I think of many instances now, like India seems to remain predominantly Indian. There seems to be no problem with that. I guess they would point to the British Raj and they would use that as an excuse to say, you know:

 

“Look what happened when we let you guys in.”

 

Japan remains ostensibly Japanese.

 

And of course, the nation state you’re not allowed to talk about is made as ethnocentric as Israel, and that seems to maintain its ethnic identity without a problem.

 

So why is it a problem, as you outline right from the get go, that a White nation cannot identify itself as being such? Where’s that inconsistency coming from, that hypocrisy?

 

[16:43]

 

Frank Salter: I’m not sure, I’m not sure.

 

But this is a field of academic research that’s ongoing. I’m not sure, but I have some insights, I think. Some facts we can point at.

 

To begin with, multiculturalism is a “mongrel theory” or is a “mongrel movement”. I’m using that term advisedly, because we’ll call it an unholy alliance between the far-Left, radical, (((cosmopolitan))) Left.

 

On the one side. And they’re the master, the power center.

 

But they have as clients, minorities, typically immigrant minorities, but sometimes indigenous minorities. That’s the truth in Australia as well.

 

So multiculturalism is a combine of the far-Left and the far tribal Right, but limited to minorities.

 

Now how can such contradiction hold together? And the reason it holds together is they have a common enemy. Who’s that? It’s us! It’s Western nations who have brought in immigrants. And it’s based on a partly on a Marxist, fundamental Marxist critique of the West, of Western nations. Globalists and globalism is a strong thread in this. Globalism is opposed to borders per se. It’s opposed to identity, religious, cultural, ethnic, it’s opposed to all that it’s saying:

 

“It’s the brotherhood of man and sisterhood of mankind, utopia.”

 

So the utopia is:

 

“Oh, we’ll have a world government, and once we’ve had that, and once everyone’s mixed together and no borders, no more war! War will go! We won’t have any more war!”

 

So you have Mr Brown, the ex-head of the Australian Greens, for example, has been repeatedly calling for a “Global government”.

 

Damien Richardson: Yes

 

Frank Salter: Without thinking:

 

“What is in the interests of the Australian people?”

 

And the last thing we want is a global government elected on proportional representation.

 

Because if I lived in the third world, the first thing I would vote for is stripping Australia of its wealth and spreading it across, around the third world.

 

Of course, of course that’s what I want.

 

These Western societies, not all Western. Japan has done the same. South Korea has done the same. So Singapore has done the same. Have created a law governed basically with human rights, civil rights, tremendously wealthy, generous welfare systems. These are attractive societies. And other people are naturally they’re envious. They’re envious of that. And they want to be there if they can. Many of them want to be there.

 

I think a figure of something close to a billion people around the world want to move to the West, that would like to move to a Western country.

 

Damien Richardson: It’s an impossibility, isn’t it?

 

Frank Salter: No! It’s absolutely possible!

 

Damien Richardson: To have a billion people move to the West and for it to maintain its sense of self.

 

Frank Salter: Oh, you’ve added, you’ve added some conditions there! Yeah. Absolutely agree with you. It’s impossible if one wants to preserve the West.

 

But if you set that aside, as our cultural elites do, because our elites are not., … Our elites are, in effect, hostile. I think they’re more cold than hostile. They just don’t care. They don’t have a sense of identity.

 

There’s a great book written in Britain about ten years ago called The Somewheres and the Anywheres, that the fundamental divide in politics is between people who identify with the local.

 

Damien Richardson: Yes

 

Frank Salter: Identify as Australians or poms, or they identify as Germans or Hungarians or Chinese or whatever it might be.

 

And then you have this very small (((elite))), the 1% who could be anywhere.

 

[20:49]

 

Damien Richardson: Cosmopolitan, urban elite, internationalist in their understanding of place and location. Yeah.

 

Frank Salter: Exactly! And they send their children to whatever, international schools. And they’re so wealthy these people, are typically billionaires, or with wealth in the hundreds of millions. But not only they are financially secure, not only their children are financially secure, as the money trickles down, their grandchildren and great grandchildren will be financially secure! So they feel, and they live in gated suburbs. The children go to private elite schools.

 

So these are the modern citizens of the world. Basically they don’t care about anyone.

 

Damien Richardson: So it’s a new feudalism, isn’t it? It’s a new feudalistic class!

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, absolutely! So it’s becoming a mainstream view in the United States political science discipline, now that America has not been a democracy for quite some time. It’s a plutocracy.

 

Damien Richardson: And you talk about the Civil Rights Movement, you talk about it coming to Australia, particularly born in the US and coming to Australia around 69. Harold Holt is the so-called conservative prime minister, Liberal [Party] at the time.

 

So is democracy a shame? Is it just, there’s a bureaucratic global elite that is actually in control? It makes absolutely no difference who you would vote for, it’s just window dressing. It’s just a pretense to democracy, because it’s going to dominate no matter what this urban global elite want to happen. And it’s rolling out, as you say, rightly, across the West. It doesn’t matter who’s in power?

 

Frank Salter: I think there’s a lot of truth in that. I wouldn’t go that far, but I’m in that direction. I think that it’s getting that way. For example, it does matter who we vote for. There’s Left globalists and there’s Right globalists. The Right globalists are these very wealthy billionaires and so on.

 

The Left globalists are the Marxist, neo-Marxian, utopian thinkers. So it does matter who you vote for.

 

For example, just to give one recent example, in Australia, if one voted Labor, if Labour had continued to rule from Keating [Paul-Labor Party] on, the boats would not have been stopped. Labor was slow to drag themselves kicking and screaming to the realization:

 

“We must stop the boat people.”

 

Howard [John-Liberal Party], to his credit, to stopped that. Howard still in effect, a globalist, though. Because the legal immigration policy was flooding Australia, creating all these minority communities that didn’t have to be there. So he was a disaster for Australia! But a disaster of a different kind to Labor. You see what I mean?

 

Damien Richardson: But the trajectory was still the same. There was still an increase in net immigration to Australia under Howard from what had happened previously. You even say under Keating.

 

Frank Salter: Exactly! And what’s missing in all these policy areas is the “majority founding nation perspective”.

 

So that is blocked out in the West. By the way, not in India, where the Hindu nationalists have been ruling for many years now with Modi as their prime minister. Not in China, which has realized that Marxism is just rubbish and they’re moving to legitimize their rule, rather dictatorial rule, with ethno-nationalism.

 

Damien Richardson: Is it a National Socialist country, China?

 

Frank Salter: Yeah!

 

Damien Richardson: With the Han Chinese as the pre-eminent, …

 

Frank Salter: Yeah. The problem with using a term like that is you conjure up Nazi Germany and it gets, you know, it confuses the issue. But one might argue, technically they’re National Socialists. But that term itself is loaded. It has a lot of baggage. But they’re an ethnic nationalist, authoritarian government.

 

And Australia is not forming its immigration policy according to what they are. Australia’s immigration policy is being conducted as if we know nothing about ethnicity or nationalism! As if we know nothing! We know a lot! The social sciences have come a long way.

 

We know, for example, that ethnocultural, especially religious as well, diversity is negative. There are serious costs to social cohesion and to economic growth of diversity! But you wouldn’t know that if you look at Australian government policy, you wouldn’t know that they talk about the “joy of diversity”. They talk about “diversity as our strength”. That’s a complete lie! That’s a complete lie!

 

We know diversity is costly. And in the end, it lowers the threshold to civil war.

 

So there have been illustrious studies done by political scientists, have shown again and again, diversity is a risk factor for civil war, for breakdown and so on.

 

Civil conflict!

 

Damien Richardson: I’ve heard some people say that that’s potential for the US in particular, for there to be Civil War 2.0. Is that something you could envision happening?

 

Frank Salter: Well, it’s absolutely horrific if it happened! A way to approach it from a Political Science perspective would be the break-up of the United States. Is the United States heading in the direction of a break-up? And it is in that direction.

 

But I think there are tremendous barriers to a real civil war getting underway.

 

But its heading in that direction. For example, and it’s not just America. Around the West, trust in the government is just collapsing. Trust in the major political parties is falling away.

 

So in Australia, the major political parties have never enjoyed a lower, never had a lower support from the population. All these minor parties popping up, right. People are just losing confidence, losing trust in the government. I think belatedly. They should have lost his trust 50 years ago when it became obvious that the nation was no longer favored by the broader political system. Instead, minorities are being favored.

 

[27:25]

 

Damien Richardson: But it’s an impossibility to lose faith in it because what can you do? There’s a compulsory voting system and if you don’t vote, you’re outside of the system anyway.

 

So the system still continues on as a result. Because through the two party preferred system, it’s almost an impossibility to bring about any realistic change. And because weaponization of the media, of the corporate media, it won’t allow any voices to operate outside of the very particular Overton Window it creates.

 

That’s why your book is being ignored. And that’s why this conversation we’re having now, if it was to ever gain any mainstream traction, we would be dismissed as being “fascists”!

 

Frank Salter: I think you’re wrong, … Luckily! I think you’re wrong, gladly!

 

Damien Richardson: Yeah.

 

Frank Salter: What you just said is based on a lot of unfortunate facts.

 

But there’s another side to it. That the solution is not political, it’s cultural. Because what we’re suffering is the downstream effect of a Cultural Revolution in the sixties and seventies. So it’s cultural.

 

Next we have the Internet. So technological change has made it more and more difficult for elites to monopolize the means of cultural production and distribution against Marxism.

 

Damien Richardson: And that’s a real concern to them. That’s what their Misinformation, Disinformation Bill’s about, I’m sure.

 

Frank Salter: Absolutely, absolutely!

 

Now, one thing that’s fascinating is the closer we, especially the Anglo-sphere, comes to the majority being demographically submerged, so we can’t fight back politically because we’ll be in the minority. In America, it’s in 20 years time. 20 years time, they’re predicted to be minority White.

 

And Australia, we keep such poor records, it’s not difficult to know what the ethnic proportions are. But we’re on a similar track, I’d say maybe a bit longer. In Britain, it’s not as bad.

 

What’s strange is that the closer we get to that submergence and that final defeat, the more totalitarian the establishment’s becoming. We get these draconian laws coming in! With these so-called, it’s ironic, “Human Rights Commissions”! It’s quite ironic, Human Rights Commission. What are they there for?

 

Basically to crush the free speech of the majority! They’re essentially an anti-free speech organization!

 

Damien Richardson: Or the anti-White, aren’t they, in their underpinnings?

 

Frank Salter: Especially White! Especially White. They’re there to crush!

 

So why is that? Why are they becoming more draconian? And how can it be that every major social media company was on the side of, for example, the Covid lockdowns? They censored anyone, any Dissident Voices saying:

 

“Oh, hold on, what about the antivirals? Couldn’t we use it? Just use well tested antiviral?”

 

“No, no! You’re a terrorist! You’re a denier!”

 

You know, why is it happening now? And I don’t know why. But just to speculate. It could be that because they have the power, they’re doing it.

 

But that doesn’t explain. Elon Musk is a standout because he’s taken over Twitter time now. He’s taken it over and he wants more free speech in that area.

 

But why is he a standout? Why aren’t social media companies across the political spectrum? What you would expect. Some on the left, some on the Right, some of the most clustering in the middle. No, they’re all on the cosmopolitan Left! Censoring patriots, censoring people with different views on Covid or whatever the topic might be. How can that work?

 

Damien Richardson: Elon Musk is in a battle at the moment, isn’t he? With the ADL, the Anti-Defamation League, which is a jewish organization. And they’ve really gone after Musk because he’s opened up the people that can now engage with his social media platform, Twitter, now known as X. Platform X. That’s a really seminal fight, isn’t it? That’s a fight I would have never seen happening, even four or five years ago. That someone would take on the power of something like the Anti-Defamation League.

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, I prefer to call it the “DL”. The Defamation League. That’s what they define, destroy people’s careers and lives. They’re basically a hate group. ADL is a hate group!

 

Damien Richardson: That’s what they do now, isn’t it? They weaponize, … Take away your livelihood, …

 

Frank Salter: People don’t realize, that, for example, the de-banking movement, who was it? The, who’s the who’s the politician in the UK was just de-banked?

 

Damien Richardson: Oh, yeah, Nigel Farage.

 

Frank Salter: Yeah.

 

Frank Salter: But he’s just the latest.

 

Damien Richardson: He’s the tip of the iceberg as someone, that one that they’re willing to actually talk about. But there’s others have been de-banked, including Australian dissidents, for many years before now.

 

Frank Salter: One might not agree with their politics, but it’s typically on the Right. They don’t debank (((cosmopolitans))), they don’t debank people on the left, they don’t debank feminists, LGBTQI plus, whatever it might be! No, no! They wouldn’t be de-banked. It’s only patriots and people on the Right. Others on the Right.

 

But about the ADL, they’re not much of a jewish organization anymore, I can tell you. They have in the leadership, there’s severe criticizms of Israel. From their cosmopolitan perspective. Israel does not really have a right to exist as a jewish state. And if it’s not a jewish state, it’s really the whole Zionist mission has been frustrated. So Israel is also suffering from., … And it’s ironic because there’s a jewish contingent on the left. I understand that. But they’re often not friendly to Israel at all!

 

Damien Richardson: Jonathan Greenblatt heads it, doesn’t he?

 

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Frank Salter: Jonathan Greenblatt! He’s no great friend of Israel, if you ask me. I don’t see that.

 

So they’ve become rogue in a way. They were initially a jewish organization, but they’ve become rogue. They’re not really friendly to Israel. Israel can only survive by controlling its borders, its immigration policy, for example. And making sure that they have a super majority within the country, not 100% majority, but a large majority.

 

The same thing goes for Hungary, for China, for Australia, for any country! If the state does not reflect the interests of the majority. Protecting minority rights, of course, that’s liberal democracy. You protect everyone’s individual rights. But group rights should be protected. The majority founding group should be protected, it seems to me.

 

And that’s what’s changed in Australia and America and Britain and across the West. The state apparatus has, since the 1970s, say, not supported the interests of the majority.

 

Now that’s an incredible statement! Because what would you expect in a democracy? Rule of the majority! With minority rights protected. That makes it a liberal democracy, not just democracy. Democracy can be savage, democracy can be unpleasant.

 

But if you have liberal democracy, you have individual rights protected constitutionally and legally. Separated, …

 

Damien Richardson: Equality under the rule of law. Equality under the rule of law.

 

Frank Salter: But that doesn’t mean that you can ignore the interests of the majority. Then it’s not even democratic anymore!

 

So this is what’s happened. And we need to somehow take back our countries and find a way to reverse this Cultural Revolution that’s occurred, where that has given us hostile elites!

 

Damien Richardson: How can that happen? How could it happen that the majority would be subsumed by a minority and the minority would have a whip hand, morally end up having a whip hand? It’s only because of the compliance of the majority, isn’t it?

 

So somehow it’s been weaponized against us through the institutions, particularly through education, where you feel a sense of guilt. They pick on Australia particularly and probably get to talking about The Voice debate that’s upon at the moment. The guilt that we’re given for our inhabitation of this landmass in the first place.

 

But somehow anyone that comes post Second World War is okay. They’re forgiven for inhabiting the land mass, but those with any antecedents before the Second World War are not forgiven.

 

Frank Salter: Exactly! And it’s universal.

 

So when I was living in Europe, my colleagues in Europe couldn’t believe. They said:

 

“Yeah. But France is especially evil because we had the we had the empire!”

 

Damien Richardson: Yes.

 

Frank Salter: Or the Germans would say:

 

“No, no, no! You’re okay. But we had the Holocaust in World War Two!”

 

And I said to them:

 

“Guys, you’re not special! We’re all in the same boat. In Australia we have the Aborigines, we have this. We were colonialists and we had the White Australia Policy! The White Australia Policy!”

 

And they looked at me, and I said:

 

“You’re not special. Every country, the majority, is demonized!”

 

Now, how can that be? Is Europe such an evil place, that uniquely evil? All the European countries must be replaced by other people! That’s the implication.

 

Damien Richardson: And that’s why the other people want to go there in the first place! Because inherently evil, that they can’t wait to get out of their own country and come potentially to start a new life with more prosperity in a Western democracy.

 

Frank Salter: That’s right. That’s right. I don’t know the answer to all this, but there are some strange things happening. You ask me how? Well, I can give some micro information on that.

 

For example, let’s consider, say, two prime ministers, Malcolm Fraser [Liberal Party PM 1975 to 1983] and Bob Hawke [Labor Party PM 1983 to 1991], absolutely instrumental in installing multiculturalism against the wishes of the Australian people.

 

Whenever the Australian people were polled:

 

“Would you want more Asian immigration?”

 

Or whatever it might be. And they said:

 

“Well, no, we’d actually prefer to remain who we are, actually.”

 

There was no great hatred involved, just normal human ethnocentrism! Ethnocentrism is an adaptive psychological state. It’s where you’re self regarding. You like your own children, doesn’t mean you hate other children. You just like you care mostly for your own children and for your own family.

 

And then it goes out to your neighbors and so on to your nation. It doesn’t mean you hate other people.

 

And if you don’t think that way, you can’t invest in anyone!

 

Because if you’re giving to the world, what does that mean actually, to give money to the world? It means nothing! It’s incredibly, incredibly selfish, in fact! Because you give to no one!

 

So Bob Hawke once admitted in an interview, he said:

 

“Look, it would have been impossible to establish multiculturalism, a nation, of non-White immigration, if both parties had not co-operated.”

 

Cooperation of the parties, a bipartisan policy. Before him, Malcolm Fraser, who many on the left see as some sort of hard Right figure. The guy was a, in effect, a neo-Marxist! He was a traitor to his class. He was a traitor to his country, in effect.

 

And he wrote in his memoirs, he said:

 

“I don’t believe the Australian people should be permitted to vote on immigration, because they always get it wrong! They just get it wrong! They get it wrong! Why can’t they be like me?”

 

Bob Hawke came along and gave us a famous speech, the Bicentenary. The tall ships are about to sail into Sydney Harbour, right? 200 years since 1788. So 26 January, the prime minister of the country stands up and gives this great speech and he said:

 

“There is no ethnic hierarchy in Australia. How do we define an Australian? There’s no ethnic hierarchy.”

 

“Ethnic hierarchy”, hat’s a really ugly, loaded term. What he meant was, what is Australian identity? And he said:

Damien Richardson: Unusual! Not a great cohort. Not a huge cohort. [chuckling]

 

Frank Salter: And say he falls in love with The Country Doctor, with A Country Practice, or whatever it might be.

 

Damien Richardson: Oh, yes, yes, yes, sir.

 

Frank Salter: Just imagine that. And he thinks:

 

“Wow, what a great country! I feel a real commitment to Australia!”

 

According to our prime minister, he’s an Australian. But contrast him with an Australian who’s not happy with some area of our policy, like our stance towards immigration laws.

 

Damien Richardson: Say, for example, … [chuckling]

 

Frank Salter: A lot of Australians are unhappy with current policy. And Bob Hook might say:

 

“Well, you’re not an Australian. You’re not an Australian! You don’t feel a commitment to Australia!”

 

But the person from Inner Mongolia is an Australian.

 

So the reason I’m reminded of this speech, because I hate to admit that I was alive at the time, but sees.

 

Damien Richardson: So was I Very young. Very young.

 

Frank Salter: [chuckling] Yeah. An interview given by John Howard recently, like three weeks ago, in which he referred to that speech and said:

 

“Yeah, everything he said was true.”

 

So John Howard did not have the intellectual nous to think this through for himself.

 

Now, how can that be? Well, the problem with this sort of micro approach of looking at this little example and what he said and what she said, is that it can miss the big picture.

 

The big picture is that every prime minister since Gough Whitlam [Labor Party PM 1972 to 1975] has basically been minority centric, has put minorities first, for example, in immigration policy. Every one! They can’t all have had bad character. It can’t be:

 

“Yeah, but he was selfish or he was nasty or he was a recovering alcoholic or he was haughty!”

 

No! There must be some systemic reason for it. There must be some, … And it’s to do with the Cultural Revolution. Again, it comes back to culture.

 

Damien Richardson: And it comes back to that globalist enterprise that we talked about earlier on. And it comes back to legacy for people that particularly say, Howard, for example, who got into so much trouble over the apology, etcetera, refused to apologize. Indigenous people turning their backs, painted in the media very much as being a racist, etcetera. Now think of his legacy. His legacy will be painted within the apparatus of state, which demands a multiethnic understanding of the West!

 

Frank Salter: Yeah.

 

So, I mean, if a politician wants to survive and work his or her way up through a major political party, there’s going to be screening, screening, along the lines you just stated. And if they get it wrong too often, they’ve got no future. They’ve got no future.

 

Damien Richardson: Well, they have no future within the political structure itself. It’s very clever, because there’s someone, you’ll have a colleague that can use it and weaponize it against you, to get rid of you as a potential opponent within the apparatus, whether it’s the Liberal Party, Labor Party, Greens, wherever, it makes no difference.

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, yeah. It’s a savage system!

 

Now, this can’t be explained without understanding the role of the media. The media have been very important. That’s why there’s such battles going on now, like Musk taking over Twitter and so on, we were discussing.

 

So this is another aspect that is not fully explained from my point of view. But the facts are there, that without the co-operation of the mainstream media, which began as just newspapers. The mainstream media was once just newspapers and there were very few universities, this sort of thing with that level of book reading and so on.

 

So it was the newspapers. And then you got newspapers and radio. And the newspapers, radio and television from the 1940s, fifties on. Why were they on side with this?

 

Well, one, from that theory of corporatism, corporate globalism, it sort of makes sense, that the big media companies were all bought by large global corporations.

 

Damien Richardson: They’re owned by them, they’re an extension of them, they’re an arm of them.

 

Frank Salter: I think the solution is going to be in that direction of corporate ownership and so on.

 

And this is why we’re having such turmoil right now, because the Internet has upset that power structure. To some extent.

 

Damien Richardson: To some extent. Because you get banned off the Internet very, very readily, very quickly.

 

Frank Salter: Exactly! And they began to look for ways to control access to the Internet from an early, … They realized this was a danger to them, and they began looking for ways of controlling that.

 

So again, along this line, which is sort of neo-Marxist, by the way, it’s sort of focusing on economic processes. So they began looking at that and buying up the major media companies, the major social media companies, I mean, big tech and so on.

 

So, the example of Musk is the exception that proves a rule. The example of these thousands upon thousands of small scale media, … Oh, such as yourself. You’re using this medium to get around this censorship and so on.

 

They’re the exceptions that sort of prove the rule, in a way.

 

Damien Richardson: Musk is an interesting figure, isn’t he? Because he wants to neuro link us all, he wants to microchip humanity.

 

Frank Salter: Well, I don’t know whether he likes to, but he’s got this corporation that’s working in that direction.

 

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Damien Richardson: I’ll just say we’ve been here before, haven’t we? Like as a culture, Australia, there was a huge antipathy between Protestantism and Catholicism. Catholics need not apply for government jobs for a long period of time. Somehow we’ve seemed to have moved to a point beyond that. Is it a possibility. Like:

 

“Oh, what are we talking about with this? Because Australia is a multi-ethnic state now, you can’t unbake the souffle.”

 

Is there a possibility for us to move forward as a cohesive entity? Are you saying that demands a predominantly Anglo population and therefore that’s the defining identity of that community?

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, my approach is different. And in Anglo-phobia book, the position we take in that is the reality is, as you say, we have a diverse Australia, so that’s the reality. So Australia after World War Two 98 percent Anglo-Celtic. Was 98%. There was some lingering friction between the Irish Catholics and the Protestants, yes, and so on.

 

But that’s largely been overcome. Perhaps not in the New South Wales Labor Right, but it’s still largely overcome. That’s not the case anymore. So we’ve been diversified.

 

Now, because the nation is so diverse, one can’t talk about a single united interest always applying in Australia.

 

So, for example, in immigration policy, one might argue immigration policy should reflect the interests of the nation as a whole. Okay? That sounds noble. That sounds noble, and I support that.

 

But also, it’s difficult to have immigration policy without it favoring one group over another.

 

So, for example, every group wants access from its own group. Chinese, Australians, we don’t want discrimination against Chinese immigrants, Burmese, Greek, whatever it might be. Well, they can’t all be pleased! Unless we have an open door policy. We have an open door policy, it’s suicide for Australia! But if we do begin to restrict it, well, however we do restrict, it’s going to favor one group over another.

 

So what I think is necessary as a starting position is for Anglo Australians. And that’s a very broad category. It’s very broad. Anyone who’s assimilating into the mainstream Australian identity is for them to say, what about us? What about us? All these policies, multiculturalism, open door immigration policy has been formulated without our input!

 

In fact, the result of opinion polls, have just been ignored! They’ve just been ignored. There’s willful ignoring of Anglo interests in Australia!

 

And I think if Anglos are brought into the multicultural system, which theoretically is Democratic and fair, theoretically, multiculturalism says:

 

“Well, people should be able to express their own interests.”

 

Damien Richardson: Yeah

 

Frank Salter: That sounds reasonable. People should be able to vote and lobby according to their own interests and the interests of their religious or cultural community. Yes, that seems fair. Why shouldn’t they be able to do that?

 

But in reality, that’s not, … In reality, they say:

 

“Yes for all, except one, the Australian majority, except one group, can’t talk!”

 

Damien Richardson: But as you say, it’s happening globally, it’s happening in Europe and it’s happening in the US, it’s happening in New Zealand, I’m sure Canada here. Is it a fantasy in some respects, what you’re suggesting? Because power is power, and power will need an enemy, and power will vilify whoever it’s taking its power from. And now globalist structure is taking power from those former holders of that power, which is those communities, those Anglo Saxon, Celtic, western European communities.

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, look, I think the reality is we have oligopoly. We are an oligopoly globally. Rule of the rich, the rule of the powerful, of the elite. But we can’t stop resisting! We can’t stop resisting! Democracy was born going back to Magna Carta and so on.

 

Democracy was born by little people finding their champion, like the Catholic Church. The church in Britain helped Magna Carta in 1215. So different elites said:

 

“Yeah, we also have a problem with the King, with absolute power of the King.

 

We also have a problem with making rules up as he goes along. So we want rule of law.”

 

This sort of thing. So it’s always a struggle. It’s always a struggle. And we’ve had it so good in Australia and other Anglophone countries for so long that it’s been just taken. Taken for granted:

 

“Oh, yeah, it’s a free country!”

 

When I was a little boy, you say:

 

“You can’t do that!”

 

“It’s a free country!”

 

It was a free country. By historical comparison, the freest countries that have ever existed. But that had only come about through struggle, through fighting for our rights.

 

And now we’re technologically equipped with the Internet and so on, to establish our own parallel institutions, which I think is a very important movement taking place. And why not, in principle, create or influence our own banks? Banks that do stand by freedom of speech and freedom of association.

 

Damien Richardson: Is that happening?

 

Frank Salter: It’s actually happening.

 

Damien Richardson: People are building their own banking institutions?

 

Frank Salter: That’s beginning. The example I’ve come across is, what’s that? An American social media website. I’m so sorry. It escaped my mind!

 

Damien Richardson: That’s okay.

 

Frank Salter: It’s a Christian website. And I hear that this is a trend, very slow, but it is happening. So the parallel institutions are being set up. Jordan Peterson. Someone as famous as people will have heard of Jordan Peterson. He’s setting up his own university.

 

Damien Richardson: Yes.

 

Frank Salter: And there’s more than him. It’s not just him. There are others doing this, because they realize universities are critical to our survival. The survival of freedom. Absolutely!

 

Damien Richardson: That’ll be co-opted by the power structure as it is now, won’t it, and give you the pretense of there being alternative? But the power source will not allow an alternative power source to exist.

 

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Frank Salter: Not necessarily. Not necessarily. I wouldn’t be too black pilled about it. A great term. I wouldn’t be too black pilled.

 

Of course, that is a trend, and one should keep a sharp eye for that happening. Co-option, of course, but it doesn’t have to be that way. I think the key thing to do is to raise consciousness. To raise consciousness, people need to be aware of who they are, of where they came from, of their history.

 

And it’s very much like back in the early days of the Civil Rights Movement in America, when black agitators, blacks who wanted their people to have civil rights, normal citizen rights, talked about raising consciousness, talking about history. It’s okay to be black. We have our own history. We have our own interests. Don’t be put down by this hegemonic White structure.

 

Now, that’s going back 1910, 1920, when you had Jim Crow.

 

So there was, in fact, there was oppression of black America and the Civil Rights Movement reversed that.

 

So I think we should never give up the fight for freedom.

 

Damien Richardson: That Civil Rights Movement’s now been weaponized as against White majority populations, though, hasn’t it?

 

Frank Salter: It has, it has! But America being what it is, which is a rule of law country and a democracy, tremendous strides were made by black Americans overcoming Jim Crow. Many of them did it by simply migrating out of the south, and they moved to the big cities and the big industrial cities in the north. And amazing pioneers such as Henry Ford would employ anyone at the same wage, anyone! That’s why they flocked, for example, to Detroit and so on, New York and other places. And they used whatever strategy they could and they made great strides.

 

And so you had a black middle class developing, and you had their own newspapers. Very important black newspapers developed. So they’d receive reliable news about themselves and about their, …

 

Damien Richardson: From an ethnic perspective.

 

Frank Salter: From an ethnic perspective. And in that, …

 

Damien Richardson: It comes back to a race all the time, doesn’t it? We’re not allowed to talk about race, but it comes back to race all the time.

 

Frank Salter: Well, it’s not just race. It can be culture, it can be especially important, …

 

Damien Richardson: Well, that’s part of it, …

 

Frank Salter: But no, race is, … Religion’s not part of race. These are different ways to form communities. Ethnicity is important, but it’s not unique. It’s not the only, …

 

Damien Richardson: But I grew up in an Irish Catholic tradition and I was struck when I went to Spain how it was still Catholic, but it was very different culturally. It was very different culturally because of the mores of that community, which I would say did come down to how they interpreted it through race, through that Christian tradition.

 

Frank Salter: Did you just say that they interpreted it through Christian tradition?

 

Damien Richardson: They interpreted the same, ostensibly the same Christian tradition. Catholic, Christian. But I grew up in an Irish Catholic understanding interpretation of it, which was very different than the Spanish interpretation of it was.

 

Frank Salter: How did race come into that?

 

Damien Richardson: Well, I just say it would be their cultural, their racial understanding of who they are, how they express themselves. There is a bio-spirit to a Spanish community which is different than the bio-spirit of an Irish community.

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, yeah. Well, Irish in Australia formed its attitudes as a diaspora. In Spain they’re in their ancient homeland.

 

So that’s one difference. And also., …

 

Damien Richardson: Sure, but I’m sure if you went to Ireland, you would see there’ll be a huge difference between Irish Catholicism and Spanish Catholicism, even in their homeland.

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, it could be.

 

And I think one pointed aspect, let’s bring this religious aspect back to the topic, connect it even more closely. The pastoral duty of the Church is up for grabs. It’s been changing and I think being undermined for the last 70 years. The Catholic Church once respected and promoted the ethnic interests of its people.

 

So the Catholic Church has always cared for the individual. It’s cared for the family, very much. Right. It’s cared for the local, for the clan, the extended family, and it cared for the local community.

 

So, for example, if a city was being besieged by barbarians or by the neighboring nation, the city was being besieged. And behind its medieval wall, … You go, in Europe, they all had these medieval walls. The church was not saying:

 

“Open the Gates! It’s the brotherhood of mankind! Open up! We’re all the same. Everyone’s the same!”

 

Damien Richardson: But we’ve evolved now! We’ve evolved, Frank. We’ve evolved to a new point, a new man, a new understanding!

 

Frank Salter: What they said was:

 

“God is on your side and it’s right for you to defend your city against the barbarians or against the next city state. It’s right!”

 

And there was excesses in that direction, of course, but they were basically loyal.

 

And you can see that within the framework of the pastoral duty of the Church, which serves different layers of interests from individual to family to nation to ethnic group. That’s all gone now! There’s no pastoral duty by the mainstream church, by many minorities, but not the mainstream churches, especially my own, the Church of England, Anglicans. There’s no sense of pastoral duty to the nation.

 

Instead, they’ve adopted a minority centric perspective of critiquing! They’ve taken on board this critique of majority cultures, which is insane! It’s madness!

 

Damien Richardson: It’s part of the institutionalization of the West, isn’t it really? The same structures that controlling organized religion, as any other department we’ve already covered.

 

Frank Salter: And all these Bishops go through the same university system, by the way, they’re subject to the same indoctrination.

 

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Damien Richardson: I just want to, because we could be here for another hour. It’s such an engrossing conversation. Clash of civilization. There’s so much going on.

 

But before we do, because I know soon we’ve got the vote in Australia for recognising an indigenous voice to Parliament and I know you’ve written an article on behalf of the British-Australian Community, which is your website as well, the BAC, I might add. What’s the name of the it’s actually a book you’ve written. What’s the name of the book?

 

Frank Salter: The book is The Voice to Parliament: A Statement on Behalf of the British-Australian Community by Frank Salter.

 

Damien Richardson: So, Frank, that’s a very countercultural thing to say, that a voice to Parliament should have a statement on behalf of the British-Australian community.

 

Can you just talk us through that? And what you see resulting in at the referendum on the 14th of this month.

 

Frank Salter: The one extraordinary thing about this whole Voice process, developing the referendum questions and all the rest of it, if you go back and look at the different deliberative bodies, the different consultative bodies, and so on, that were formed beginning in 2011, I think. 2011, 12.

 

Damien Richardson: Under Julie Gillard [Labor Party PM 2010 to 2013]. [chuckling]

 

Frank Salter: Under Julie Gillard. They have, of course, representatives of the indigenous people, Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders.

 

Of course they have people who are loyal members of those communities. Not only loyal members, but leaders of those local communities coming and saying:

 

“What’s in our interest? My people want this, we want this. These are our interests.”

 

Completely appropriate.

 

They had a lot of White supporters of those. Of those, also understandable.

 

They didn’t have one representative of the Anglo majority, not one! They had lots of Anglos, but they didn’t have one person who was there saying:

 

“I feel sympathy for the indigenous people, of course, I wouldn’t be here otherwise. But I represent the interests of Anglo Australia.”

 

Not one! And I’ve traced it back to 2011, 12. It’s extraordinary!

 

And so this whole thing has been formulated as if Anglo Australia is not in crisis! As if Anglo Australia is just still the boss and it’s a White run society. No, no! Since 1970, roughly, as we’ve been, as we were discussing earlier, immigration policy and multicultural policy has been run against the White majority! We’ve been marginalized! We’ve been vilified in the education! Our children are being vilified, are being taught to hate their own history, to hate their own ancestors. And now we’re being asked:

 

“Oh, you should vote for a special powers being given to an advisory body in the Constitution.”

 

Extraordinary! As if we don’t exist, as if we have no interests.

 

So I wrote this book, it’s a short book, looking at this systematically, looking at the whole Voice proposal from an Anglo perspective.

 

In other words, yes, I’m concerned about what’s good for Indigenous Australians, my fellow citizens, of course, but also keeping in the back of my mind, and is it good for the Anglos? And no one talks about that!

 

Damien Richardson: No reviews on that book either, I can imagine. [chuckling]

 

Frank Salter: The closest to it is Jacinta Price, who calls herself a Celtic indigenous person. A Celtic Aboriginal person, she proudly says:

 

“Well, my father has Celtic background.”

 

In other words, Anglo:

 

“And my mother is indigenous.”

 

So she comes closest to that. I think Warren Mundine also has talked about this.

 

Damien Richardson: It’s interesting, something I know. I read a chapter from the book and you talked about the dispossession of Anglo institutions. It’s really just such a counter cultural concept that Anglos might even feel like they are being dispossessed. Because what we hear all the time, of course, is that indigenous Australians were dispossessed.

 

Frank Salter: Yes, well, they were dispossessed. But then, luckily for them, though, they were integrated into a culture that was leading the world in forming liberal democracy.

 

So, you know, that Aboriginal, in most of Australia, Aboriginal men, because initially it was male male suffrage, they got the vote before Englishmen got it in England! Well, before! Like mid 19, mid 19th century that you had in New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Tasmania. Not Queensland, Queensland and Western Australia, as the frontier states were delayed, that was delayed.

 

But in most of Australia they got the vote before British men and women got it in Britain.

 

So it was good for them. But the dispossession that’s been taking place as a result of the Cultural Revolution of the sixties and seventies. I have a chapter called Our Stolen Commonwealth. Our stolen Commonwealth. And what do I mean by that?

 

Well, just what I’ve been saying, the Anglo nation. First the six Anglo colonies, and then they gave rise to the Commonwealth in 1901. They were set up explicitly to benefit the majority. These are Democratic societies, and they were overwhelmingly Anglo societies, so naturally they wanted to survive and continue their traditions and their identity.

 

The Commonwealth was set up explicitly to serve the interests of the nation, which was an Anglo nation. That was reversed by 1970! That was reversed! In effect the Commonwealth has been stolen from us, in effect, and it’s now operating against our interests.

 

And I define the Commonwealth not just as government institutions, but as the ABC, for example, SBS, public broadcasting. Since the late 1960s, …

 

Damien Richardson: All the institutions, I would say, Frank

 

Frank Salter: All major institutions, have joined this Deep State apparatus, and, in effect, they’re operating against the interests of the majority.

 

[1:07:27]

 

Damien Richardson: It’s interesting, and we’ve been going for a while, so I’ll try to wrap it up. But I saw a speech the other day by Noel Pearson at the Press Club, where he made this claim. And he spoke to “multicultural” Australia, meaning not “settler” Australia, and he called, quite deliberately, “settler Australia”, being those mob, he would say, from the UK. And he said to multicultural Australia:

 

“I want to ask you this question. Who do you side with in this debate, as far as The Voice is concerned, do you consider yourself going to be an honorary settler somehow? Because, I tell you, a lot of you are the wrong color.”

 

I couldn’t believe what I was hearing! He didn’t sort of get much opprobrium in the mainstream, because the mainstream would never want to be seen to criticize someone indigenous. And of that state stature. A man, too, has made himself a millionaire out of the largesse of taxpayers expense. It was an extraordinary claim to make. And really, if you start to boil it down, since he’s asked the question, I would say:

 

“Well, actually, those people of different color that have come to this nation have come this nation expressly to live by what was bequeathed to them by that settler culture, not to come and live as hunters and gatherers might have lived in this idealized picture of Indigenous Australia!”

 

Frank Salter: Yeah

 

Damien Richardson: I think Noel himself seems very comfortable living like a settler, too, I might add!

 

Frank Salter: And receiving $500 million investment over the last 15 years.

 

Damien Richardson: Is he relying on the fact that he knows no one will have the gumption to make that claim? He’s relying on. We have been silenced through the multicultural instrumentalities that we’ve already talked about?

 

Frank Salter: Yeah, he’s arisen, his career, his reputation is arisen, sheltered in sort of the sheltered workshop of the multicultural system. So he’s a creature, in my view, a creature of the multicultural establishment.

 

But Warren Mundine is not. Jacinta Price are not. They’re actually free thinking. They have their, … I don’t agree with everything they say, but these are independent individuals far more able to sustain a rational conversation and so on.

 

Pearson talks ideology. And he begins preaching immediately and he can barely talk! And how did someone like that gain such a high reputation? Was because the Sydney Morning Herald, the Melbourne Age, the ABC, SBS [Special Broadcating Service] treat him as some sort of paragon. It’s absurd!

 

The man has made vulgar, racist remarks about White people, really vulgar. The man has said:

 

“I don’t think Anzac Day is appropriate because we should focus on my people’s suffering, not on the suffering of Anzacs.”

 

Damien Richardson: Well, a lot of these people would have been Anzacs too, as a matter of fact.

 

Frank Salter: Exactly, exactly! Aborigines have been participating more and more in the nation. I see them as a core group in the Australian national identity. But Pearson has been given this platform. He writes a note, he has these extraordinary media platforms to express his point of view, but he’s actually, when you listen to what he’s saying, it’s not pleasant.

 

Damien Richardson: You see now, too, that the conservative Right salivating over the idea of Jacinta Price someday being the first indigenous female prime minister. Janet Olbrixen wrote an opinion piece in the Australian recently saying such.

 

Frank Salter: Well, after watching her perform over the last month or two, I tend to agree. I think she’s actually prime minister material. There’s not all that much talent on the coalition side. And she just comes across as authentic, as able to think on her feet.

 

For example, her speech, become famous speech now to the Canberra Press Gallery about a week or two ago. And she said, her opening remarks she said:

 

“My husband’s sitting over there. And I do mean husband, not partner!”

 

Damien Richardson: Yes, yes.

 

Frank Salter: Immediately there was a cheer went up across Australia. We’re sick of this ideological language that’s being forced on you! She meant her husband, not her partner!

 

Damien Richardson: She went further too, and she talked about the oppression. She said:

 

“I’ve got it really badly if you’re saying I’m oppressed because I’m indigenous.”

 

And she said:

 

“Well, at least I wasn’t bequeathed to a man much older than me that I might have been under tribal law at the age of 14 or something.”

 

And she went on to say, too:

 

“And I’ve been doubly oppressed because my convict ancestors were also oppressed to come here in the first place!”

 

You could hear crickets in the media establishment.

 

Frank Salter: So funny. They’re just, … Like the ABC has become., … It’s so appalling! The main change with them is not ideological, because the news and current affairs was captured by the Marxist left in the late sixties, and the Science Show was captured by the Marxist left around the same time. What has changed is their subtlety. They used to sort of cover it a bit and make gestures to being balanced. That’s all gone. It’s amazing! It’s blatant. It’s blatant now.

 

And the same with our education system, with the curriculum. The national curriculum was captured by the neo-Marxist Left decades ago and that’s trickled down to the state curricula now. So it’s really, really poor.

 

Damien Richardson: And there’s been no defence against it from neo-liberalism on the other side, has there been? Because that’s just been about the bottom line, the bottom dollar, sell as much as you can. We’ve sold our soul to material wealth in many respects.

 

Frank Salter: Yeah. And they’re friendlier towards Right-wing globalism, which is corporate based.

 

So that’s their weakness.

 

Also, they receive all their funding from these people, so they’re not going to criticize them very much.

 

So again, on the Right you have Right globalism, on the left you have Left globalism. And the two sort of nudge, nudge, wink, wink, sort of they get along, they sort of get along.

 

But I urge Australians to look at the whole indigenous issue, including The Voice referendum, which comes up in nine days or something, and look at it from different perspectives. But look at it also from an Anglo perspective, from the perspective of mainstream Australia. And what we don’t want, for example, is to destroy and complicate our system of government, which is magnificent. It’s one of the things that sets Australia apart. We have the rule of law, we have representative democracy, we have division of powers and so on. And this would be compromised.

 

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Damien Richardson: That’s just another irony of Pearson’s speech, isn’t it, that:

 

“Well, I want an indigenous voice to Parliament, but I don’t want anything that the settlers, ..!”

 

What? The incongruity is just extraordinary!

 

Frank Salter: I don’t look on myself as a settler. You know, I had a convict ancestor in Van Diemen’s Land. So for many generations, my family’s been here, I don’t think of myself, …

 

Damien Richardson: But even if we take his language on face value, what he means is “what came here?” Well, that was the Parliament. The Parliament that now “I want a specific voice to” is not of indigenous origin, although you would say it is because we’re indigenous!

 

Oh, this argument could go on and on and on! We’ve had such a good chat, too, Frank. I’m just aware of time, and I want people to stay to the end of this podcast.

 

So I think, do you want to just tell us where people can find you so they can find out more of this detail? We may well have you back to continue this conversation, perhaps post the referendum.

 

Frank Salter: That’d be fun. People can just Google, just a general search for British-Australian Community. And we have a website, which is the BritishAustralianCommunity.com dot au.

 

And then they can search for, … You go to Quadrant online. Go to Quadrant Online. There’s a Quadrant website and just do a search for “Salter”, and up will come all my articles, because I have a series of articles on the original, ten years ago, on the original attempt by Pearson to have a constitutional recognition. That was his big thing back then. So there’s critique of that.

 

So you’ll find resources.

 

One thing you’ll find is that this book as a PDF. It’s a free download so you can get access to the book.

 

I’d also go to YouTube. We have three videos out on YouTube. Search for British-Australian Community and it will come up. We have two on Anglophobia and we have one on The Voice. And there’ll be many more coming up, by the way, many more in the next months.

 

Damien Richardson: It’s good that you’re getting culture out there because I think this process was so far behind the eight ball as in understanding what’s happening to the culture, the attack that’s on it, the manifold attacks that are on it, that you almost need to reinvigorate what the understanding of the culture was in the first place.

 

So Frank Salter, co-author of Anglophobia: The Unrecognized Hatred, thanks so much for joining me at Damienrichardson dot online.

 

Frank Salter: It’s been a pleasure, Damien.

 

Damien Richardson: You can listen to more great podcasts on my website, damianrichardson dot online. Also follow me on Facebook and I’d love to hear your thoughts@facebook.com. Damienrichardson28 don’t forget to give this video a like. Remember to share and comment, to join the conversation and have your say.

 

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Joel Davis: We are live.

 

Another show. It is the 20th of June, 2024.

 

Another evening in racism for all of our Australian friends and a morning in racism for our American friends. And that we do have a lot of American viewers, but this is a show about Australian politics usually, and we’ll be talking about things very Australian this evening. The three of us attended quite an interesting event last night. We’re going to probably spend a lot of time talking about that.

 

But before we get into that subject, I guess it would be customary to do a little bit of small talk while people fill up the chat and so on.

 

So do you have any irritations, Blair, to report on what has been grinding your gears over the past week? Because usually you come up with funny little things to be annoyed by and it can be quite humorous.

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, yeah, I’m a king of small talk. Speaking of small talk, though, we’re not going to be reading out most Superchats during the stream this time or this week because after I did that last week, I had an avalanche of complaints saying:

 

“Blair, you’re interrupting the flow of the conversation!”

 

I’m like, fuck!

 

All right, so we’ll do Superchats at the end, unless, look, it’s going to be at my discretion.

 

Joel Davis: Do it at breaks in topics, I think. Yeah, I think it was a break in a topic. It’s all right.

 

But yeah, don’t interrupt yourself, or a subject to interject with it because usually Superchats, quite frivolous.

 

Blair Cottrell: Right.

 

But like I said, it’ll be at my discretion.

 

So if I see one that I really do want to include in the conversation, I’ll do it.

 

Joel Davis: If you send a good Superchat that’s actually relevant to what’s being discussed, then, yeah, yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: If it’s relevant, I think it should be mentioned on the spot. But if it’s like:

 

“What’s your favorite Claude Van Damme movie?”

 

Then maybe at the end.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah. I’ve been thinking a lot about the event we went to be honest, and I’ve been thinking about what happened there, just interpreting everything, trying to come to a conclusion about it.

 

So, look, I haven’t really got it in me to be ranting too much about anything frivolous. We can do that. As the show progresses, I’m sure something’s going to come to mind, something that irritates me.

 

Joel Davis: I feel like. I think the people at home have noticed, like, Blair has changed. We’ve gone into a new phase of Blair ever since, particularly the laptop. You just seem so much more energised about nationalism and politics.

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s you guys. It’s the audience as well. We get so much engagement on this. And you, Joel, you got a positive attitude. Tom’s always fighting. Everyone’s always positive. It’s just white pilled me, man. I gotta say. It’s white pilled me. It’s brought me back. So thanks, guys. You’ve brought me back. Your energy, your support, it’s got me believing again.

 

Thomas Sewell: That’s real.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, that’s real.

 

Thomas Sewell: Cause I know you, and that’s real. I don’t know if the audience wouldn’t know how real that is the audience would be like, yeah, like, Blair kind of dropped off a little bit, kind of had a break, or kind of was like focused on Covid, and people would be like:

 

“Oh, now he’s back.”

 

But they don’t know, like, because when you’re someone’s friend, you can feel what they. What they’re feeling. You have that empathy going through upf and how bright you’ve burned. Like, you were just this charging Aryan fire of this Germanic, Celtic youth spirit of the country and that. No one ever talks about how much energy that actually requires. You know what I mean? Like people think all players just built like.

 

Blair Cottrell: Like that.

 

Thomas Sewell: He’s just built like that it’s like:

 

“Well, yeah, he is, because, …”

 

Blair Cottrell: He can do it, but only no.

 

Thomas Sewell: One really, energy that actually your whole life force, your whole life energy was like hundred percent. Like, people don’t realize what a hundred percent dedication is unless they saw you for that 18 month or two year period. Yeah, it was like a sprint. It was like an uphill sprint for almost two years straight.

 

Blair Cottrell: And I loved it! I loved one of our old supporters who Tom. He was at this event we attended last night. And I had him on camera, actually I posted some footage earlier today. He asked me, do. Do you miss it, Blair? Do you miss the activism? And I honestly answered, yes.

 

There’s nothing about it that I miss so much as the struggle, the fights, constantly, every day, having more to do, more content to make, more to promote, more to organize, more to show up to. Look, I am back. I’m still back from the standpoints that I’m going to provide a sort of median level of commentary. You know, I’m going to create a pipeline. You know what I’m like, right? I want to keep it clean and I want to observe. That’s what I’m back to do more than anything. Just observe and contribute where necessary.

 

But, yeah, thanks, everyone, for your support. And I want to get right into this event that happened last night because.

 

Joel Davis: I want to make one brief comment on what you said.

 

I think it’s very important to meditate on the notion that fighting is funnier than winning, that the struggle is actually more enjoyable than the victory. This is what Nietzsche was getting at with this concept of the “will to power” and “to love one’s fate” and so on.

 

And his philosophy was this insight that actually the struggle is what is most enjoyable, the process. And that sometimes the worst thing that can ever happen to you is to achieve something, and then you don’t know what to do next.

 

And so it’s so important to have something that you’re actually fighting for with your life so that you can actually be enjoyable. Nothing else is more enjoyable than taking it to the enemy on a daily basis and feeling like everything that you’re doing is imbued with meaning and purpose.

 

And I think from observing you, from meeting you a year and a half ago, a bit longer now to now, and seeing just kind of being your friend for that period of time, what I noticed was, I think you got really demoralized by Covid. But what seemed to demoralize you even prior to that, was just like the way that the state came after you and your previous projects fell apart. And this sense of the movement basically entering into a phase where it was no longer on upward trajectory.

 

I mean, Tom was doing his thing with his organization, but Tom was then in jail for ages. And after the Brenton Tarrant* shooting and the way that the state cracked down upon the movement and the media, basically locked everybody out. It was a time when you could actually be part of the public conversation.

 

[* The Christchurch mosque shootings were two consecutive mass shootings on two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand on 15 March 2019. They were committed by Brenton Tarrant who entered both mosques during Friday prayer, firstly at the Al Noor Mosque at 1:40 pm and later at the Linwood Islamic Centre at 1:52 pm Tarrant was arrested after his vehicle was rammed by a police unit as he was driving to a third mosque in Ashburton. Source: Wikipedia]

 

Then you were locked out, you dragged through the courts on bullshit charges. People, I’m sure, know the story, but the point is that all of that really worked quite successfully and all the de-platforming and so on, it worked quite successfully to completely destroy what you were doing.

 

And then, you know, it seemed like you were. I don’t mean like lost in life, but you didn’t have that same reason to get up every morning that you did for a few years, you had reasons to get up, but it wasn’t quite the same. Like, you weren’t on a mission, you went on a quest for the Grail, and, like, every day there’s things coming at you and you’re batting off enemies and trying to, like, force things into being and, well, it’s interesting to.

 

Blair Cottrell: Get that outside perspective of what it seemed like someone just dropped something.

 

But look, I’m kind of getting used to where everything’s at in terms of tempo, what kind of content I should be creating, where I should be, when I should be there. Things have changed, you know, things have changed since I’ve actually wanted to influence people or to provide a positive influence in the community. I’ve always denied my humanity.

 

I don’t know if you guys can relate to this, or maybe the audience can. I’ve always thought I don’t need to do everything that every other human needs to do. I think I’ve spoken about this on the stream once before, but in a different subject matter and in a different way.

 

What I mean is, I used to think to myself, I don’t need to believe in anything. I don’t need to serve any purpose. I’m not weak enough to have to believe in something. That’s a human weakness. I’m going to transcend that.

 

But I don’t think it is a weakness to need to believe in something. Because believing in something is what gives you the energy, the motivation, the dedication to dedicate yourself entirely to something that you feel is important, that you feel is greater than yourself. And honestly, what is there that’s more important than your nation, your extended ethnic community and its continued existence? You know that is just like the precipice that is the peak of all things that could be important in my mind. And anyone who tries to tell me I’m evil for believing that, like, cheque yourself. Because why am I evil for wanting to protect and promote my own ethnic community group? Right?

 

Joel Davis: Well, is that off? Hitler said, the most precious thing in this world is your people. And that’s one of the truest things the great man ever said. I do want to read out a Superchat. I’m going to break the rules because White Power said:

 

“Joel, why did you slander Gigachad Mussolini?”

 

This is referring to, I guess, a Twitter comment that I left underneath a sun and radical edit. And it was this really incredible sun and rat edit.

 

I might actually pull it up and play it for you guys a bit later at the end of the show. Maybe we can analyse it, but it’s just got ancient Rome stuff mixed with Hitler stuff and it’s cool song. It’s like a funk remix of Seven Nation Army by the White Stripes.

 

And then at the end, they put a couple, like, Mussolini clips in, and I said:

 

“I’m gonna rate it nine out of ten. It was ten out of ten.”

 

And then this Mussolini. And I like Mussolini, but he’s not Hitler. You know, there’s levels. There’s levels to this. And people took it as me hating on Mussolini and saying that he’s not White and Italians aren’t White and so on.

 

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Blair Cottrell: Tell us one, tell us one good thing. Tell us one great thing about Mussolini and one thing that’s really not so good, because I don’t even know much about Mussolini.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, well, I mean, obviously Mussolini was a great, like, he’s an incredible political innovator. I mean, he invented fascism. Uh, the way in which they, he orchestrated his political movement. It was incredible!

 

I mean, there’s a lot to respect about him. The demeanour of the guy. He’s got this kind of energy that’s just quite humorous. He’s just got that bravado, this really excessive, cartoonish bravado, but it’s very endearing.

 

The thing that I like least about Mussolini is that basically the fascist movement, while it was cool in so many respects, I’m not saying that I don’t like fascism, but it did lack the centrality of race that National Socialism had or that I would personally put within my politics. And I can understand why. Because in Italy, there wasn’t, like one cohesive, central ethnic identity. You know, northern Italian, southern Italians are quite different.

 

And so there was a sense that fixating too much upon race would alienate, you know, one half of the country from the other, differentiate them. And the whole idea was coming together in the unity of Italy.

 

But I think that that’s problematic. I think maybe if you have a country that’s built around such a large racial difference maybe that’s an incorrect way to design a country.

 

But there was a greater emphasis upon state power.

 

And while I do agree that authoritarian state power is something that should be used for good and can be used for good, I don’t think it is the be all and end all. It’s about what it’s being used for.

 

Whereas fascism kind of gives this notion that state power is kind of an end in itself, that just like, the centralization of the will in the state is itself just a grand thing. And I don’t think that’s necessarily the case. I mean, also, the Italian fascists were kind of soft on the jews. They did get harsher on the jews toward the end when they were trying to cosy up to the Germans.

 

Because you have to understand as well, the fascists and the Germans only became allies only a few years before the war. Mussolini was trying to ally himself with the Brits and with the French. To be fair, he was actually trying to bring everyone together in Europe and create a pan-European alliance against the Soviet Union and other non-European countries, which I think was a good idea. I think Mussolini was right to try and do that it’s a shame that he didn’t pull it off, but it was complex.

 

Like, people kind of see fascism and National Socialism as exactly the same thing in this one unified movement, but that actually is ahistorical. And Mussolini was seen in a positive light by European jewry and other European elements that were quite against the National Socialists in the early 1930s as, like, a positive alternative or something that wasn’t so racist and anti-semitic and so on.

 

So I think that says a lot, but that doesn’t mean that I hate Mussolini or I have zero respect for Mussolini. No, I think fascism has no cool ideas. It does. It was obviously a movement of the Right. It was a movement that was against communism.

 

So obviously that makes it fundamentally good. Anything that destroys communism is good, and it had many good elements. And it wasn’t like they were totally. They weren’t like, opening the borders, the brown and black immigrants or anything.

 

So it wasn’t like they were totally, like, cucked on race to some totally unacceptable degree without destroying their, like, what’s happening now to Italy and the rest of other Western countries.

 

So, it’s a nuanced thing.

 

It’s like I don’t hate fascism or Mussolini, but also I don’t revere them as highly as I or him or revere the fascist Italian state as highly as I revere other things.

 

But anyway, we managed to do a little bit of small talk, so I succeeded.

 

Blair Cottrell: That’s Joel’s version of small talk, guys. That’s what we deal with down here in Melbourne. So, like I said, though, I’d like to jump onto talking about the event that happened last night. All three of us were there. What did you guys think?

 

Joel Davis: I’ll let Tom go first.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I do you plan on uploading the interview you did with me, just out of curiosity? It depends on how I answer the question, because I won’t double up on that if you’re going to., …

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, I won’t probably get it up until after the weekend because I am travelling up to Brisbane, well, just below Brisbane tomorrow morning. I’ve had work today. I only had time to get that little quick clip up. And my intention with that clip was just to., … It’s the same every time. I’d make content in the past as well, to normalize the people who are in attendance, because they’re going to be slandered eventually as Right-wing crack, far-Right neo-Nazi conspiracy theorists, just to show that it’s regular working people that go.

 

But more than anything, that there are people who attend events like this in quite large numbers, that it’s not something that’s niche and fringe and only a few people are sitting around a table. There’s hundreds of people that are interested in these things, in these talking points, and I think it’s really important to get that across to anyone who’s interested, because I think what holds people back from participating in politics like this is they think that no one else is doing it.

 

So it’s really important, I think, just to get those visual messages out there to help everyone understand that there’s a lot of people who care about their country, there’s a lot of people who want to do something about the corrupt establishment. But I already got takes from both you guys on camera, but is there anything that you want to talk about specifically? I mean, I got there early. People were rocking up like a good 45 minutes early. That’s when I arrived. I didn’t think I’d get there that early. I ended up leaving work early, had coffee, something to eat, heard the opening speeches, spoke to Matt Trihey again. And Tom and I have both worked for Matt Trihey. He’s a builder down here in Melbourne.

 

Joel Davis: He’s the guy who organized the event, by the way, for the benefit.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, I should have mentioned that. Sorry. Yeah, but that’s.

 

Joel Davis: His organization is called the Australian Workers Alliance, [National Workers Alliance] I believe. National workers, all national workers are.

 

Blair Cottrell: Sorry, my apologies, but NWA, the new boys in the Hood. Tom.

 

Thomas Sewell: Weakness with attitude.

 

Blair Cottrell: He’s a good guy.

 

Joel Davis: Well, they’re not wignats, though. Hey. They’re not wignats. Very optical, very good. Very good optics.

 

And also, I think the website is workers.org dot au for those who want to go and check out their website. Yeah.

 

Blair Cottrell: And, yeah, you can. I can assess that. This guy’s character, like, I. He’s a better man than me. He’s a hard worker. This guy has dedicated his whole life to providing the highest level of building services to specific clientele. And people seek him out to build high quality homes for them, like, high end homes. I’ve done stuff on his jobs that I never thought I’d do, like, spiral staircases. And I learned how to sort of assemble and use a concrete hole corer, by myself. I worked with steel, a lot of steel and concrete, which is not something that I experienced very much before working for Mattie Trihey.

 

But the fact that he put this event on is awesome, and it was really good to talk to him again. Bit of a blast from the past, actually. Running in swim. How long has it been since you’ve seen him, Tom?

 

Thomas Sewell: Recently? I’ve seen him in the city. When we do our protests, they organize in the city as well. So every protest that we did we would cross paths with them.

 

Blair Cottrell: Mattie Trihey, he’s been involved in protests in the city leading up to this event that he just hosted. Is that right?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. So he was involved with the Freedom Rally organizers, and I believe that the main group of Freedom Rally organizers were doing, like, welcome to countries. And they were doing the whole liberal outlook on being anti-Covid. So not freedom because there are ancient rights, not freedom because it’s about respect. And that we’re like a noble people and we’re not to be treated by the State. That’s meant to serve us as a bureaucratic function. You know, people weren’t arguing from that angle. A lot of the anti-vaxxers were arguing, like, from this. They would do a “Welcome to Country” for Aboriginals. First they would talk about how this is infringing on these poor and disadvantaged groups, and they were coming from the weak position, not the strong position.

 

So obviously, that was going to create a natural split with a more Right-wing version of the anti-vax movement. And that’s what he’s led since day one.

 

Blair Cottrell: So the event organizer, Maddy Trihey, what we’re saying, what you’re saying there is he was involved in the anti-vax kind of freedom rallies that took place in Melbourne. Was he a director? I don’t think he was a direct organizer. I think he attended the rallies himself and then gradually became a prominent figure through giving speeches and networking.

 

Thomas Sewell: That’s what all of them were. None of them were leaders. Who are these guys? What was it like, Harrison and all these people, have you. Had you ever heard of them before?

 

Blair Cottrell: I suppose they are truly grassroots guys. Like, these are people who come from salt of the earth working class. They’re not people who are raised in the universities in order to be professional politicians. Right?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah.

 

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Thomas Sewell: So, like, when UPF started, there was a lot of people, old heads in the movement, that were quite skeptical of us because they were like, who are these guys? Where have these guys come from? Like we were kind of getting accusations and that we weren’t innate grassroots, because we went from just random people on the street, not involved in politics, to political leaders just overnight.

 

So I think Covid was no different. It was another wave. Every time there’s chaos, there’s a new wave of potential political leaders that sort of just appear out of the ether. Not in a bad way, just in a way.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah.

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, my general consensus on the event itself is you could tell that it was kind of thrown together, but it was organized as well as it could have been. Probably given the experience of the people who are organizing it. I can’t really throw too much shade on it. Like, there was food, we ran out of water, but everything else was great. The speeches were good. The event went for about four. You run out of beer too? Yeah, right.

 

Joel Davis: No, no, we didn’t run out of beer.

 

Thomas Sewell: Hall energy to it, just.

 

Joel Davis: It did a good Polish beers. You know, it’s hard to find Polish beer in Australia. It was a nice change.

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, it’s even harder to find a hall full of sensible men who want to talk about politics. That’s just not something you find in Australia.

 

So it was a really different evening, one that I wish we could have more often. I wish every week, like on Wednesday night, for example, or Friday night, we could go to a hall, have a few drinks and just talk about the state of the country and what we’re going to do about it. I think that was a very common state of circumstances for pre-war Germany and even Germany after the war. I think that’s what men and everywhere.

 

Thomas Sewell: Even the Anglo-sphere, there was a culture. After work, there would be these huge gatherings at the pub, not like it is now, where it’s later in the night and, it’s people just going out of party and get absolutely sloshed. People would go straight from work.

 

So they’re still kind of in this functioning political mode versus there wasn’t a, …

 

Joel Davis: Bunch of Pokemon TVs with the footy on and people betting on sports and music playing over, like, because they didn’t have the technology for any of that stuff yet.

 

So people would go to the pub and they’d sit around and talk or they’d sing, they’d sing songs as well. That used to be common in pubs. We don’t do that anymore. That’s why in Europe they’ve got this like singing culture that we don’t have here because it’s a legacy from how pub culture was before televisions and you know, like modern technology was developed and so, yeah, like it used to be this hub of the community where there would be a genuine exchange of ideas and obviously that was a kind of political focal point in a town and that no longer really exists.

 

But I mean I think you’re under selling it, Blair. Like the fact that this was their first ever event and they got over 300 people, maybe 400 people to their event, I think is incredible! I mean how often do people get that kind of numbers to a very large, like numbers that large to their first ever event?

 

And it’s like this guy is like a big, you know, political commentator and he’s been in the movement like he’s an activist and obviously that’s how he got these people here because he’s a kind of experienced activist but he isn’t like this super well known guy or anything.

 

So the fact that he could mobilize that is testament I think, to really, really high quality, just like grassroots organizing.

 

Blair Cottrell: It’s respect. It’s not just high quality organization, it’s respect. People respect Matt Trihey, people respect Nick Patterson. People are interested in hearing what Damien Richardson has to say. Damien Richardson’s a great speaker, by the way. I can see why people want to listen to him. The way he delivers his points makes his analogies fantastic! He could have been a comedian. Maybe he’s tried to do that in the past. He seems like he has some experience in that, which is fantastic!

 

Joel Davis: He was an actor, right?

 

Blair Cottrell: And then comedians and actors are kind of the same branch on the same tree, right?

 

Thomas Sewell: He’s got a lot of animation. He’s certainly very passionate and I think that’s a genuine passion. I don’t think he’s actually acting. I think he’s got the experience of being able to inject unique energy and there were times where he was funny. Like it was actually really enjoyable to watch and it is rare to be able to successfully do that. So he’s definitely a talent, he’s definitely a leader, on the rise. It’s interesting.

 

Blair Cottrell: Most of them, even more rare is hearing so much Australian, Australian TV personality speak openly and with sympathy in regards to White Australia. You just don’t see that very often. And that was really refreshing.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, he’s definitely a model. Like a role model in that sense where so many of these actors and celebrities and people within I guess that privileged class, obviously he’s been booted from the class now as he was saying in a speech, he’s working in construction now, which is, I mean that’s all dissidents go basically. Yeah, we’re, basically, we’re all like:

 

“I’m in construction now as well!”

 

I mean people that knew me when I joined the movement, I was almost the first one of the furthest, because the army is very, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Who would have thought though? Who would have thought? Honest men have to do honest work.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, exactly! It’s cosmic! It’s beautiful! Yeah, it is. I was actually thinking about that a lot today, how I thought that political dissidents would have just endless spare time and I had this kind of revolutionary idea that we didn’t have. I guess when I was younger I thought that’s what a revolutionary did. They didn’t have a job, they didn’t get a trade, they didn’t learn any skills because they were just solely dedicated to bringing down the state.

 

And I thought about how that’s kind of a lightning and sun perspective. If you’re pure lightning then that would make sense because your goal is a purely almost destructive energy like to just bring down the state. But we are all, everything we do in our lives is character building so that we actually can be leaders of a future ethno-state. That’s how our lives are developing. Everything we’re learning, all our interactions, our physical training as well. Almost all the men like so yourself, myself, Joel, you’ve got Damian Richardson, you’ve got Matt Trihey, you got Nick Patterson, you got Craig Cole. All these men that I just mentioned are all fit, they’re all fit and healthy and trained like Matt Trihey. He’s like 60 and the guy looks 40.

 

Blair Cottrell: He was a mixed martial artist. He used to fight. He had a few professional fights when he was a bit younger.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, he was.

 

Blair Cottrell: Damien Richardson has his own website too, guys, which is just his full name. DamienRichardson.online. I haven’t checked out that site yet but not sure what you’ll find there. If you guys are interested in knowing.

 

Joel Davis: More speeches were broadcast live so I’m sure we’ll post them on social media in some way. So you guys can go and watch them or you can cheque it out for yourself if you’re interested, because I’m sure they’re out there. You can watch the replay. Damien’s speech in particular was, I thought, really, really good.

 

As Tom says, he’s a brilliant orator. He’s very talented. I mean, he’s just made to do basically what we’re doing on here, be brilliant live streaming. He had a radio show, and he would have been brilliant on the radio. I think he does do streaming, so I think if you check out his website that you just mentioned, I think he does periodically do streaming. Yeah, I think he’s a real asset to the movement because of his just erudition, intelligence, his ability to convey a message that I think normal people can connect with. And he’s very engaging and funny. His speech was great. I really enjoyed it.

 

I mean, I was a few beers deep, so maybe I enjoyed it more because of that. But it was still a really good speech. And I did appreciate the way that he actually pushed the envelope he talked about. He made clear references to jewish control of the media and influence over our political system. He defended the principle of the Anzacs, the men who fought in the Second World War, they were fighting for White Australia. So clearly a very based individual. And that’s a message that almost no one is promoting. And that’s the message that is the most important message to promote.

 

I mean, particularly what he said about White Australia and the people that were sitting there. I mean, it was billed as was talking about protecting children from the LGBTQ agenda and mass immigration. That’s what it was. Bill. These are the two, according to Matt, and I think Matt is correct to identify. These are the two key issues politically of our time, what they’re doing to families and what they’re doing to the nation. And the two things are interrelated.

 

I said this today on Twitter, that everything that is happening ultimately boils down to the ruling class is attacking our blood, whether it be on the microcosm, on the family level, trying to destroy, sexually pervert our children, prevent people from getting married, prevent people from having children, you know, promote all the things that they promote, feminism, LGBT, pornography, degeneracy, et cetera. All of that is about destroying the blood in the most direct way or destroying the blood of the nation through mass immigration, through anti-White discrimination, through promoting miscegenation, through elevating non-Whites into positions of power within White societies.

 

Why are they doing this? It’s because blood loyalty is the most powerful force, like in humanity, and it is the most dangerous force to the ruling class. Because the ruling class is held together by lies, deception, money, self interest. It’s not held together by a genuine self sacrifice or heart or love. None of that exists within the elite, the elite that currently rules over us. It’s pathological, it’s a tyranny precisely because it lacks that.

 

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And so it fears any basis from which someone could tap into that energy and rise up and challenge them. Someone could tap into the energy of the familial and ethnic and racial bonds and say:

 

“Hey, I’m going to fight for your family. I’m going to fight for your people, against the scum that rule over you.”

 

And so they’re trying to destroy those bonds so that no one can tap into them, so that no one can challenge them.

 

And I think that’s really like the essential point of all of these people in the freedom movement, obviously they agree that there is a tyrannical elite. They all came together opposing the lockdowns and the Covid jab mandates and so on.

 

And they all believe in conspiracy theories. They talk about globalism, they talk about international cabals and the way in which democracy doesn’t really function correctly. And that there’s this kind of series of elite institutions interconnected with global elite institutions and our media that promote a political message and agenda that they impose upon the country regardless of Democratic mandate.

 

So they’re aware of that.

 

But a lot of them haven’t fully connected the dots on exactly what the agenda is about. There’s this kind of like, superficial idea that the people that are in charge, they just want to make money, or they just want power for the sake of power, and they don’t really care.

 

Like, it’s not about race, it’s not about jews versus Aryans, it’s not about any of these things. They just believe in all these wacky communist ideas and they just want more and more power for the sake of power. No. People want power for the sake of power. Doing something with power. Power is a means to an end. It isn’t an end in itself. And yes, they want money. Yes, they want to ingratiate themselves. Yes, they want to ascend hierarchies.

 

And a lot of the people who work in politics and media, they just parrot what they’re supposed to parrot so that they can do that. But those people don’t actually have the agency over the system. The people that have the agency over the system are the ones that are actually using it for some purpose. And the ones that are using it for some purpose are using it to attack your family and your race because they’re afraid of the Whiteman. They’re afraid of the Whiteman more than anyone because if the Whiteman came together, we could overthrow them and they know it. And they built this entire system on the basis, on the basis of defeating us, like we previously ran the world and then they took over.

 

So the entire new system is built around preventing us from taking it back because we used to be in charge. We were the previous rulers. The new rule is obviously whenever you get a phase shift in politics, the new ideology is always built around stopping whoever previously ran shit from being able to run shit!

 

So, for example, when liberalism began, it was built around not letting monarchs and aristocrats rule things because they were the previous rulers. Or communism is built around the idea we can’t let capitalists rule things as they were the previous rulers or whatever.

 

And so this current system is built around we can’t let White men, White nations have sovereignty because then they’re too powerful and then we can’t control the world. They become too powerful. The world basically is their oyster.

 

So that’s what this is all about. And that was kind of, they didn’t quite go there, but they were kind of edging these people in that direction.

 

And I think the vast majority of the audience was quite receptive. And the elements that weren’t receptive, they didn’t look like a lot of them seemed like they, like there was a few people there that were mixed race couples that didn’t seem too happy about the message and left early. And there was a few other older ladies that seemed a little bit offended by some of the rhetoric.

 

But overall I would say 80, 90% of the audience seemed quite captivated and interested and receptive to what they were hearing.

 

So that’s quite interesting because this is not an audience of White nationalists. This is an audience of, what would you call them? Just concerned citizens.

 

Blair Cottrell: Disillusioned working people, man.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, concerned citizens. They are concerned citizens.

 

Blair Cottrell: 50s Internet users, over 50 many.

 

Thomas Sewell: Well, that is a good point to make, is that the only youth that was there was us and other organizations that attended. So I didn’t notice too many young people that weren’t already tribe and training that weren’t already networked with an organization, so they, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, there’s not many.

 

Thomas Sewell: The system and the communists would certainly be shaking in their boots a little bit right now, because this is a grassroots success. This is stepping into a new paradigm. And the value of this is about cadre building as well. It’s about you’re having these meetings, who’s attending regularly.

 

And as Matt said at the start, education. He said:

 

“One of the most important reasons for this meeting is education.”

 

And so a lot of people might have felt afterwards that we didn’t reach any solution, you know, that it wasn’t a productive meeting because we didn’t reach a solution, because people want instant solutions. But what Matt explained the purpose of the meeting was, was education.

 

And the more people that come, and the more regularly they attend and the more these things happen, the more they start to build a political awareness. A class of people that aren’t just concerned citizens, but they’re educated concerned citizens. They’re now educated on a governing worldview, on governing principles embedded within natural law, embedded within fact and truth.

 

So they’re in the moral and logical high ground. And then now you’ve got this building population, this subpopulation, and it’s growing, and they have friends, they have family, and it bleeds through society. And that is one of those important concepts within metapolitics that we let. Maybe there’s a political solution, maybe there’s not. Why it’s irrelevant right now is whether there is or isn’t. We need a cultural and educational and informational solution in order to achieve a political solution or not, so political solutions are downstream of cadre building, they’re downstream of local community, grassroots meetings, activism, tribe and train sort of thing. So anything you’re going to say something?

 

Blair Cottrell: No. You can finish if you want. Is there something you want to finish with there?

 

Thomas Sewell: No, I can just talk forever.

 

Joel Davis: So I just want to interject. I want to interject here with RSA Liberty, who said, it’s a relevant Superchat. He said:

 

“Great to see you guys supporting other Right-wing groups. No infighting or petty territorialism. Another reason I know I’m following the Right guys also enjoyed Blair’s vlog of the event.”

 

And I think that’s actually an important point to make. We just want to see anyone who’s trying to do something good succeed. Anyone, literally anyone in Australia that’s trying to build towards, like, an actual sincere, patriotic, pro-White, pro-family politics, whatever way they want to go about it. If they’re doing it in an honest way and then they’re not screwing anybody over and they’re just trying. If they’re having a crack, Yeah, if they’re just having a crack, yeah. They have my 100% full support.

 

Blair Cottrell: But where do they go from here? That’s the thing. The next meeting they host will be the spicy one, because now all the wrong people know who they are and they’re going to be keeping an eye on what they’re going to do next. So next time they’re going to have the police.

 

Next time they’re going to have counter-protesters, next time they’re going to need a bit of security. So luckily they have the networks to acquire that for themselves. Probably through Tom and the guys. They might be able to work the, …

 

Thomas Sewell: Doors, different speakers as well.

 

So there was already different types of security there and different organizations.

 

So it was like a community defence.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: Nick Patterson has his guys, that Craig Cole guy, he runs a martial arts gym as well. You know, there was lots of different crews down there, so it was full unity. It was full Right-wing unity.

 

Blair Cottrell: They’re going to need it. They’re going to need it because I don’t think anyone thought it was going to be that big of a meeting and that many people were going to attend on the very first try, the very first event. So, like I said, the next one will be spicy.

 

I asked a question during Q and A and the purpose of the question was to try to signal to the speakers, the organizers of the events, that it’s important to have the people who attend the event leave the event having remembered a very simple dynamic or having a remembered something that they can take away from the event and sort of apply to their daily philosophy. So I asked:

 

“What is the movements’ or the collection of organizations that have organized that event, what is your goal and who is your enemy?”

 

And that’s very important dynamic to establish. It can sometimes be difficult to do because you might have a convoluted idea of what’s happening. You might see the enemy as the system. The problem with that, though, is it doesn’t really pin anything down. It doesn’t identify the people behind and within the system who are your enemy. Right? And you don’t necessarily have to use language like, “it’s the jews”, but you can deliver a message to people in such a way where they understand who the enemy is. You can also help people understand what the goal is, the preservation or protection of the Australian nation, for example. Everyone can get behind that.

 

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So your goal needs to be something that everyone can get behind, and your enemy needs to be understood as something palpable, something that can be seen, something that does exist, that is evil.

 

So this is what we believe, up with the Australian nation, that over there is the enemy, down with them. And that’s what appeals to the average person. Establishing that dynamic as a movement leader, an event organizer, as a public speaker, it’s very important. It’s what people are receptive to. It doesn’t matter how you feel about this. It doesn’t matter if you’re like:

 

“Oh, I don’t want to oversimplify things.”

 

Too bad. You have to oversimplify things in order for your message to be understood by the ordinary people, the working class people who are going to be attending events like this in the future.

 

So that was the reason I asked the question that I asked, and I hope the organizers understand that and sort of formulate a better answer to that question, meaning creating a nice, easy to understand “us versus them” dynamic. But, Joe, you are paradigms.

 

Joel Davis: I think the simple paradigm that they could use if they don’t necessarily want to go too spicy, is just do the classic “globalism versus nationalism”. There was a lot of talk of globalism and nationalism through the speeches. It corresponds with the rhetoric they’re already putting down.

 

Blair Cottrell: But simple answer is what needed to be said. That’s the simple thing that people needed to leave with. This is what I was trying to say. People needed to be warned. Walking out of there feeling good, feeling like they had support, feeling strong, feeling like, okay, I’m a nationalist and my enemy is the globalists. Right, that’s a good start. You can start with that and you can build on that from there to make it a little bit more radical, I suppose, a little bit more fundamental.

 

Joel Davis: I mean, there was a lot of pro-White rhetoric that was interlayed in discussion of explicitly of White interests. And Jared Taylor was mentioned, pathological altruism. There was a lot of good talking points. Matt himself and Damien particularly brought up in what they had to say. I enjoyed the other speaker that was there. He wasn’t there to speak so much about immigration. He was there to speak about the LGBTQ whatever agenda. And he spoke very well, very forcefully. I think he used to work in the education system.

 

So he had a lot of experience with how this degenerate shit is interwoven into the school system. Obviously a very important issue. And it was good to see him on stage with nationalists, you know, bringing those two issues together because nationalists were pretty much the only people like the Christians as well, will do something.

 

But yeah, we’ve really been leading the charge.

 

I mean, how many Drag Queen Story Hours have we either protested or shut down over the past year or two? I mean, so many.

 

I mean, I know that myself personally, Drag Queen Story Hours that I have targeted and obviously everyone has helped and the drag help. Yeah, yeah. And the threat of Tom and the boys showing up definitely gets a lot of these things shut down. Definitely! And we’ve got, he, I don’t know, count maybe like 20, 20 plus of these things shut down.

 

So yeah, and then we’ve shown up to a few as well.

 

And so we’ve been putting in the work and it’s good to see that there’s a kind of, there needs to be unity on the Right around that issue. That’s something that everyone can agree on.

 

And I think it’s a good thing for nationalists to keep chipping away at with the rest of the Right-wing to say:

 

“Hey, like, we’re the fighters of the Right-wing. You guys need to start getting with the program on the other issues that we care about and realising that we are your friends and you’re not going to get anywhere, really. The Right-wing is not going to get anywhere without us. We’re the real fighters, we’re the real radicals. We’re the real high energy people in the movement!”

 

So if the Right-wing wants to get anything done, it needs to include us. It’s as simple as that. And insofar as it has been excluding us and not these particular people, obviously, but in general, as, insofar as conservatives and Right-wing elements have excluded us for the sake of optics and not wanting to have the association, what they have done is they’ve put all their fighters on the sideline and then lost every single battle. They’ve lost every single battle for decades until they can actually start using their fighters rather than sidelining us because we’re too edgy.

 

The reason why we’re edgy is because we’re the fighters. That’s what? Like the Left has their fighters. The Left-wing fighters are like pro-pedophilia, communist demons. The Left doesn’t sideline their fighters. They put their insane nut job fighters out into the field and they go and get shit done. And they’re turning your kid into a tranny.

 

So you need to the Right needs to start using us. And yeah, they’re going to get called names by the media and so on, but if you use this, if you use this enough, eventually no one cares anymore. It just becomes normal.

 

Like, they can moan and cry, but if the Right-wing just doesn’t care and just keeps using us again and again and again and again, eventually that will just be seen as how politics works.

 

So the Left has done, we could get on here and talk about, or the mainstream Right-wing media can go on about Antifa and communists and blah, blah, blah. Does it, does the Left give a shit? No! Does the public give a shit? No, it doesn’t.

 

Obviously there’s opposition to these things, but it doesn’t prevent them from winning elections, it doesn’t prevent them from functioning as a robust and effective political force. They’re fucking winning.

 

So, yeah, the Right, if the Right wants to actually win, and the problem is a lot of the people in the institutional Right don’t want to win! A lot of them are professional losers. They’re paid off by jews, they’re non-White themselves.

 

And so they feel more threatened by us than by their supposed political opponents on the left when they’re so-called based Right-wing non-Whites. But the true normal White Right-winger, who genuinely cares about the issues that they purport to care about, they need to start fighting to put us on the team and get us on the team if they want to start winning.

 

And the only way that Australia would be fixed is if you get the radicals, the nationalists on the team.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, well, it was great that Matt was so welcoming because a lot of people, I just expected it because I’ve known that for years, but I got so many messages from people saying:

 

“How are you received? How are you?”

 

Like, it was on the consciousness, on the political consciousness of a lot of people within the wider movement. They were very curious as to how the meeting went. Not just as a meeting, but the dynamic between work was people in the crowd, you know, positive towards us:

 

“Were they curious? Were the organizers positive or curious and just what’s the state of Right-wing unity at the moment? What’s the state of pro-White unity? And is the pro-White crowd expanding that? Are we becoming more normalized within the open window without removing any of our radical and truthful components?”

 

Joel Davis: I just want to say “Hi!” to also to all the grannies. There was a few other I’m not saying that you’re all grannies, because there were some women that come to me that weren’t grannies. They were much younger, that you’re definitely not grannies. But there were some grannies that came up to me and said:

 

“I love what you do, and we love the show!”

 

And so on.

 

So there’s Granny Waffen out there watching the show every week. I just want to say hello to Granny Waffen. And actually, I’ve actually encountered Granny Waffen at other events before. It’s very endearing. It feels good. And there was one of the granny Waffen who came up to me and she said something along the lines of:

 

“They were trying to make us hate you guys and think that you guys were bad actors, but I know that you’re not. I know that you guys are good boys!”

 

Blair Cottrell: Who’s they? What do they mean by “they were”?

 

Thomas Sewell: Trying to make some of the other. The Left-wing Freedom rally organizers were telling their constituents, their cohort, that these people are feds, these people are bad agents, these people are here to make us look bad. And you’ve got two kinds of grandmas politically. You’ve got racist grandmas, and you’ve got refugee grandmas. And racist grandmas are like the loving, caring, nurturing, motherly grandmas, and they’re the best.

 

And then we have the best grandmas, as Trump would probably say, we have. We have the best grandmas. Like, our movement has.

 

Joel Davis: Nobody has grandmas like our grandmas!

 

Thomas Sewell: Nobody has grandmas like our movement. And our grandmas are so loving, they’re so caring. Um, you know, we just have the best grandmas!

 

Whereas the Left, they get the freak grandmas! They get the grandmas that aren’t even grandmas! Like, they just have a dog, or they have brown children, or they’re like witches. They’re like the Wicked Witches. And we get the good witches, we get the old grandmas that, like, make cakes, and they, like, say:

 

“You know, that the country’s gone the wrong way and we really need to fix it. And I’m putting a lot of hope in you!”

 

And we just get awesome grandmas like that. And every freedom rally thing I’ve ever been to, grandmas are the first to come up to me like, tom, Tom, Tom, and I’m just like, why do grandmas love me? This is crazy! Yeah, we’re the most radical, but they’ve got a feeling that they’ve got a sense. They don’t care about the propaganda, they don’t care. It doesn’t matter. They’re just eternal sense.

 

Blair Cottrell: You know what else they don’t care about? They don’t care about having their faces seen at these events, which is something a lot of people still care a lot about. I was approached by several people saying:

 

“Blair, I noticed you were filming for a bit there. Can, can you make sure I’m not in that?”

 

Even though they’re just attending the rally now, I don’t want to throw dirt on anyone. I know people have their reasons for wanting to stay anonymous, but what do you guys think about that? I want to open up this subject because I’ve got a little bit to say about it. What do you think about anonymity?

 

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Thomas Sewell: I just wrote a big essay on it, it must be in the hive mind, because just about three minutes before we went live, I just wrote an essay on it.

 

Blair Cottrell: So we’re well equipped for the discussion.

 

Thomas Sewell: If you guys want to go. Yeah, let’s go. Let’s do it.

 

Blair Cottrell: Well, I can open up, I suppose, and I can begin with where I began in Australian nationalism, which was a think tank, a club called Nationalist Alternative. First group I ever met with, they were just people who got together maybe once a month, some older guys, some younger guys, just to talk, eat some food, nothing serious.

 

On the very rare occasion they do a letterbox drop for Australia, first party or something. But there was no real activism. But I was young. I was about 19 or 20 years old when I first engaged with this group. This is when I was first looking for an Australian nationalist group on the Internet and I found this one. And I wanted my friends to get into this as well, when I first met these guys.

 

So there was about 12 or 13 guys meeting once a month.

 

And I thought:

 

“We need more people. We need to make this bigger, more popular, more powerful. We need to create a counterculture.”

 

That’s what I wanted to do. I wanted to get my girlfriend involved, I wanted her friends being involved but every time I tried to take a photo or get some footage of everyone together, everyone had an issue with it:

 

“No, I don’t want my face in that. No, I don’t want to be associated with this.”

 

And I thought, it’s really frustrating because I thought:

 

“Well, how are we ever going to grow this community if we don’t have people who are open and proud of what they believe, unashamed? How is anyone ever going to know about it? How are we going to make this popular and powerful?”

 

And I realized over time that this fear, this paranoia, this tendency to want to remain anonymous and operate in the shadows. It has plagued Australian nationalism for ages, since I first got involved and probably long before I got involved, and that’s before it was really edgy.

 

I mean, when I was 19, YouTube was full of Hitler speeches and clever edits of William Luther Pierce speeches, which, you know, contributed to my development, my understanding of what was going on in the world. That stuff was just available everywhere. The Internet was just completely open. And even back then, people were just like:

 

“Oh, I don’t want to be seen with this. I can’t be seen to be associated!”

 

You can’t be seen to associate with what? A bunch of people talking about loving their country and wanting to protect their extended ethnic community? Like, why can’t you be seen associating with that? Like I said, I don’t want to throw too much shade on anyone. And I know everyone has their reasons for wanting to do whatever it is they’re doing, but if you’re never going to be known for what you truly believe and stand for, then what you truly believe and stand for is never going to become known, certainly not popular or powerful. You need to be unashamed, you need to be bold. You need to be brave, and you need to understand that the consequences people like myself have suffered really aren’t that bad.

 

I mean, I’m starting to think that the closure of bank accounts was a clever ploy by the government to actually try to strike terror into people who were thinking about associating with or getting involved in rationalism. Because, yeah, we were talking about this last night, and it got me thinking because we still bank. All I did was start up an account.

 

Joel Davis: Shut down means is you just have to move to another bank and then transfer your money there. They don’t steal your money.

 

Blair Cottrell: And this is not only that, but it keeps you on your toes.

 

Joel Davis: Minor inconvenience it is.

 

Blair Cottrell: And that’s all it’s ever been from the beginning. Even the legal charges, really, for me, it was a minor inconvenience. I’d been to court before that, when I was younger. I was accustomed to it.

 

But I think the problem is its especially true of the younger guys, a lot of whom want to stay anonymous. They’ve never been to jail, they’ve never been charged with anything. They haven’t been to prison. They haven’t really been on the wrong side of the law, many of them have never even had a parking fine.

 

And so I think they fear stepping over that boundary where suddenly they’re known to the state for the wrong reasons.

 

But you can’t fear that it’s like if you’re going to fear that, you’re just going to perpetually live in subordination to this system and the people who control it. I think I’ve said enough on the matter. What do you think, Joel?

 

Joel Davis: Well, yeah, I just want to reiterate that point about the banking. I mean, we talk about it because it’s an important propagandistic function to say, how come our guys will get their bank account taken away because they go to a peaceful protest on behalf of White Australians.

 

But then pedophiles can have a bank account. Like, it doesn’t actually make any sense. Like, it’s totally fucked in the head, obviously!

 

So it’s an important propaganda point to make. But people then get afraid, like:

 

“Oh, the system. I could be put on the list by ASIO.”

 

And what is ASIO [Australian Security Intelligence Organization] gonna do with that list? I’ve been on ASIO’s list for years. Who cares? Like, ASIO can look at my text messages. I don’t do anything illegal. And ASIO is like:

 

“Oh, yep, he doesn’t seem to be doing any terrorism this week. We’ll keep an eye on him.”

 

And that’s literally it. There’s no second phase. Tom has been dragged before the courts in an unfair way, but they were through. Like, he got into a fight with people. Like, okay, it was unfair what they did to him because he was defending himself or defending his friend.

 

But it wasn’t like they just rounded him up and arrested him just because he was being a White nationalist. They waited for some opportunity to construct the case against him. And this is Australia’s most prominent White nationalist. You showing up as just some guy, no one knows who you are in a T-shirt, some event where you just sit on a seat and listen to a few speeches and go home, and then people can see you in the background of some video footage. What do you think is going to happen from that? Nothing is going to happen from that it’s just ridiculous to be that afraid. Your face isn’t that distinctive. No one knows who you are.

 

Now I get it. If you’re, like, trying to work in some government department or you’re trying to become a lawyer or become some high powered business executive, or something in a big company. And you really got this really sensitive career path. I can understand being cautious, but almost no one is like that. Almost no one actually has a sensitive career path. Most people just have normal jobs. I’ve had plenty of normal jobs in different industries. I’ve never had issues because of who I am. And I’m out and proud. Open news articles get written about me. I get hit pieces written about me by foreign organizations. We had foreign intelligence agencies doing reports on our show. We had the ADL, the SPLC, all these American Leftist organizations writing articles that reference me and talk about me and Antifa and so on.

 

None of that’s going to happen to you because you’re not Joel Davis, you’re not Thomas Sowell, you’re not Blair Cottrell, you’re some guy that no one even knows your name standing at a political event. So it really isn’t that big of a deal. I don’t know. I’m not saying to be cavalier about these things, take as many precautions as possible.

 

But when the precautions prevent you from even participating in an event where you go:

 

“Oh, I don’t want to go down to that rally or that speech or something because I don’t want to be seen to associate with these people.”

 

It becomes to the point where it’s actually preventing you from even being a political activist because of a totally unjustified fear. We’re not, it’s not illegal to be a White nationalist. And if you’re seen on video footage, it’s actually pretty hard for them to figure out who you are just based upon that. Usually it takes more than that for them to be able to identify you. And if you’re not putting yourself forward as like a speaker or as a leader or as a member of an organization.

 

Blair Cottrell: You’re just an observer.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, exactly!

 

Then there’s no risk under the, under those circumstances. And you can take precautions. Pay cash instead of card. Tell, when you introduce yourself, tell them a fake name or only your first name, or don’t mention where you live, don’t mention what you do for work. Just be vague about who you are but still show up and be smart. Don’t trust random people with sensitive information.

 

But yeah, look at the effects of de-banking.

 

Blair Cottrell: When you look at the effects of closing the bank accounts of activists, it doesn’t stop those activists from banking, as we just described. You just go to a different bank and open a new account. So closing bank accounts, de-banking, hasn’t stopped us from banking, in effect.

 

So what effect has it had? The effect it has had is it could only be described as “social terrorism”. It’s “social terror”. It makes people too afraid to associate with our kind of politics, even if they do believe it, because they’re like:

 

“Oh, my God, I’m not going to be able to use a bank!”

 

But that’s not actually the reality of how de-banking works. You get a letter, you get 30 days to move your money into a new account, and that’s the process of the whole thing. It’s really not that serious.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah. I’ve never been charged with a crime because of anything I’ve done to do with the movement. And I’ve done all the different kinds of activism. I’ve said all the kinds of edgy things on the Internet with my real name and face. You’re not going to go to jail unless you, …

 

I mean, yeah, like, they will treat you unjustly when you’re doing street activism. Like, you know, Tom’s dealing with police harassment over the Ballarat rally, and we’ve got guys that are getting harassed because one guy has a necklace that is a swastika but not a Hakenkreuz, or people threw Roman before it was made illegal and these kinds of things.

 

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But if you don’t be that provocative and you’re not like a prominent, open public member of, like a National Socialist organization or something like that’s very on the edge and even. And all those guys don’t give a fuck about being dragged before the courts. They’ll gladly do it. It’s an opportunity to get in the news and to make an activistic point about:

 

“Look at this state tyranny. Look at how they’re treating us!”

 

But if you don’t want to be a sacrificial lamb like that, I understand that that’s not for everyone. You just simply not behave like that you can just be cautious and be sensible and even behaving like me.

 

Thomas Sewell: It’s a sacrificial wolf. Then I’ll laugh.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, okay. Sacrificial wolf. I like that.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, but you said you were writing about the subject, Tom. Did you? Is anything coming to mind that you want to bring up?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I published it.

 

I mean, I don’t have to read through the whole thing. People can find it on my Telegram.

 

But, yeah, I just wrote that it, for me, my personal doxing experience felt like progressive overload. So I felt like I was, over the years, developing my worldview. I was expressing that worldview to the people around me. I never hid my worldview or the development of my worldview to the people closest to me, anyone that worked with me, anyone that trained with me, anyone in my family. I wasn’t like a closeted gay. You know what I mean?

 

Joel Davis: Like, you know how there’s a closeted Nazi? Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: I wasn’t a closeted Nazi. You know how there’s closet gays and flamboyant gays? I was always just open with my Nazism.

 

So when I came out as a Nazi, everyone’s like:

 

“Yeah, we knew he was a Nazi!”

 

I was going through my stuff. I was clearing out, and it was a year twelve, my year twelve shirt that everyone signed. When you graduate from school, everyone runs around and writes each other’s names on each other’s shirts. And someone had drew a swastika on my [shirt] arm, and I wasn’t even a Nazi in year twelve. Like, I wasn’t, and yet someone drew a swastika on my arm.

 

So I think that’s pretty to me, I called it honest to a fault. And we often use the term “sperg” in the movement. We say:

 

“Oh, it’s really sperg!”

 

You know:

 

“I was pretty sperg you there, or I said something pretty sperg to you.”

 

It’s like, we used to call it honest to a fault. I was just honest to a fault. I was just too honest for my own good. And I didn’t, like, curtail or control information and manipulate it in some way to the people around me.

 

And then eventually it spirals out of control in this kind of anxiety ridden moment where no one actually knows you’re a Nazi, but you’ve been on the Internet and a Nazi for so long as I never did that, so you should stop doing that if you do it. Like, it’s fucking neurotic. Like, I don’t know. I just think it’s not good. Don’t do it.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: To me, that’s very feminine. It’s very weird. Like, if you’re fucking racist, be racist to everyone. I’ve never met anyone that doesn’t know I’m a racist. When I get a coffee or food or whatever, I tell the person I’m a racist. Like, I literally did it today. Like, she asked me to donate a dollar to the charity. And I said:

 

“What charity is it?”

 

And then she said:

 

“Oh, it’s like a youth one.”

 

I was like:

 

“Okay, well, I don’t do the nigger charities. Like, I don’t donate to blacks. I’m a racist.”

 

And she was like:

 

“Oh!”

 

And she, like, took off her glasses. She was like:

 

“What?”

 

And, yeah, it was just a White chick. And she just thought it was fucking hilarious! She was like:

 

“Are you for serious?”

 

I was like:

 

“Yeah, I’m a racist.”

 

I was like:

 

“Don’t spit in my food. I’m watching you.”

 

And, yeah, I just. I fucking. I don’t know. You could call that sperg you out, but it’s just full chat, maxing. It’s just full!

 

Blair Cottrell: You give your real name, like, when you go and you’re waiting for food, when they’re making you give them your real name.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, my full name. I’ll watch you make my food. Like, you’re gonna spin my food or jump the counter, like test me.

 

Blair Cottrell: Like, I’ll do it sometimes. Use an alias I have all admitted, because I don’t trust people. And I know that it’s unlikely that someone. Look, I’ve been approached or recognized in public, mostly by people who support me. It’s very rare that someone doesn’t support you and says something or does something about it. Last time that happened, actually, I got charged because I. Yeah, I had to go to court. Some guy followed me. Some guy followed me in a supermarket with a face covering. Threatened me. I pushed him to create space because I thought, you know what am I supposed to do here? And the police charged me with unlawful assault just for pushing a guy who stalked and threatened me in a supermarket. I’ve never seen the guy before.

 

But anyway, I digress.

 

Thomas Sewell: No, it’s not a digression. It’s very important because people are complaining about:

 

“Oh, I don’t want to lose my bank account.”

 

It’s like when you’re real highly active activists and your face and names out there, you’re operating on a different plane of consciousness. You’re not just worried about bank accounts. Like, you have to watch people make.

 

Blair Cottrell: Your food, you have to watch. Have to sit with your back up against the wall. In any restaurant you go to, you need to see the doors. You need to see the entry and the exit.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, it’s on a different, like, people are getting firebombed, you know, at our level, you know, our car tires are getting slashed. Like the government is allowing. You know what I mean? And you’re just a spectator or you’re worried about these minor inconveniences. When you get up on our level, then you can complain. Don’t complain. It’s a bank account. Who cares? Don’t complain.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, but I don’t complain because it’s not that fucking bad. We know each other personally. We all just normal guys. And it’s fine. Like, it’s literally prison with the most.

 

Thomas Sewell: Not that I encourage prison, but even prison wasn’t that bad. Like, it sucks, but honestly, it was the whole time.

 

Joel Davis: It would have been pretty good.

 

Thomas Sewell: Isolation is like a luxury. Like, how often in your life do you just get to spend time with yourself and no one else?

 

Joel Davis: I hope I get to do it. Twelve months and I can just read, like, so many books. I’ll just come out.

 

Thomas Sewell: You kind of don’t know who you are until you’ve had a good amount of isolation. That’s why I want to build like a temple or something. I want to build like, a monastery, like when we get land, but, like, real deep in the forest. Like, real deep in the forest up on a mountain or something. Like in the in Batman Begins. I know it’s pipe dreaming ideas, Man, but I’m a dreamer. I’m like Hitler, I’m a dreamer. I laugh. I actually think all the time how our leaders are so gay. Like, they spend 600 fucking million dollars setting up a rugby team and fucking PNG. Or they spend money on fucking Mardi Gras. They just do gay shit! But if, like, Nazis or fascists, whatever you want to call us, I don’t care if we’re in power, think about all the cool shit we’re going to do. Like, we’re going to build like, super monasteries and, like, build like a temple of all this crazy shit! And people are gonna go all the way up to the mountain and it’d be like the, …

 

Blair Cottrell: We should make like an anglicised ninja warrior. Have you seen ninja warrior? I want it. Want to make an Anglo version of that.

 

Joel Davis: We’ll do so much more shit, of course.

 

Blair Cottrell: Who’s the fittest man in this country. Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: It’s just endless. The cool shit that we can do. We can turn it into just the greatest place in the world.

 

And I think part of that is about, is a balance. You want, like athletics and philosophy and you want, you can’t just go too hard in one area. It can’t just be pure hedonism. You have to balance all the enjoyment and all the hedonism with struggle and sacrifice and solitude and things like that so that you have, like a meditative.

 

But you know, they can’t be too, if they’re only meditative, and then no vril, you know, you’ve got to have these kind of outlets, these masculine and adrenaline outlets.

 

And I just think how society, we structure so much differently.

 

But in the meantime, before having that society, I do want to just build something where there’s no technology, just something up on a mountain and there’s no technology. You go there, you know, for a month or three months at a time, and you just get that solitude.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah. And you’re so right when you said that you never really know yourself until you get that time to yourself and with yourself, or enough of that time to start fully understanding yourself.

 

And I think anyone who’s afraid of that, you’ve got a lot to deal with. You need to unpack your personality. You need to look at the pieces of yourself. You need to pull yourself apart. Look at the pieces. Ask yourself, why do I feel this way about that? Why do I think this way about that person? Is it me who’s the problem? Like, what’s making me tick?

 

And that’s why I always, since I was young, I’ve relished in the opportunity to just spend some time by myself in solitude, so I can think about these things. To get a better understanding of myself, you need to know yourself. It’s so important. I think it’s an Aristotle quote, actually:

 

“That a man should delight in solitude, and only a person who is his worst enemy is afraid of that, his own worst enemy.”

 

Meaning when you’re your own worst enemy, you’re going to try to busy yourself with, you know, social events and talking to as many people as possible, keeping yourself distracted from any introspection. It’s something that I see a lot of people in society doing. I think that’s why so many people busy themselves with so many unnecessary bread and circus, you know, events. That’s if you’re a young guy watching this still developing, getting that time to yourself, the time to think, even if you’re whispering to yourself a little bit, you can talk to yourself in the privacy of your own room, you know, figure yourself out, learn about yourself, because only you can do that. Only you’re going to be able to get that grasp on yourself. And you can’t really appreciate, I think, especially not a woman, until you can appreciate yourself. And to appreciate means to recognize the full worth of something.

 

So really, you’re not in a position to even be searching for a female mate, a partner, as a guy, until you’ve fully understood the man you are or the man that you’re trying to be at least, right?

 

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Joel Davis: I think it’s also important that you take that time to then meditate on the fact that if you’re aware of what is happening to our race and you’re not fucking doing anything about it, and you care more about some stupid job when you can just get another job or being put on some ASIO watch list that won’t materialize into anything because all they’re going to do is just watch you and do nothing.

 

Because, like, unless you, like, start plotting terrorism or something, there’s nothing that you’re doing that’s illegal. You’ll realize:

 

“Hey, wait a second. I’m a fucking faggot. Oh, my God! I’m a piece of shit! What? Why am I doing nothing to save my fucking race? Why am I sitting here working for ZOG, trying to keep my misses happy and keeping up with the Joneses and trying to maintain some shitty middle class existence or strive towards it? Why am I like this?”

 

That’s a fucking shit life! It’s a boring life. How about instead of that, you devote your life to something that’s actually meaningful and then when you’re sitting alone, you can think about what you’re doing with your life and you can think:

 

“Oh, I’m a fucking sick cunt! I love this!”

 

That’s what happens when I sit. When I sit there and I’m just spending time with myself and I’m reflecting upon who I am. That’s how I feel.

 

I feel like a sitcom. I feel like I’m a fucking legend.

 

And ’m going to keep going. I’m on my fucking quest!

 

Blair Cottrell: Hang on a second.

 

Joel Davis: I’m on the hero’s journey!

 

Blair Cottrell: So during your introspective periods, you’re just like, really, like, happy with yourself. You’re never like:

 

“Oh, shit, yeah, maybe I’ve got to work on this?”

 

You’re just like:

 

“No, I’m a sick cunt! I’m always., …”

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, no, I’m not saying I’m always right. Obviously, I’m reflective and I’m always striving to make improvements and I’m pretty self critical.

 

But at the same time, like, I’m on a path that I know is the right path and I know my life is full of meaning. I’m not kind of confused. Oh, like am I happy?

 

Yeah, I’m just happy.

 

Blair Cottrell: So I don’t like that question anyway. Like, am I happy? Like, what does that even mean? I’m not thinking about my happiness. The more you centralize your thought process on your own happiness, the more miserable we’re going to be.

 

Joel Davis: That’s what you mean by happiness, though. Like, what I mean by happiness is just, … What I’m doing. What I’m supposed to be doing. Think happiness is like, just, oh, I’m experiencing pleasure. I’m experiencing entertainment and positive stimulation. I don’t view that as happiness, actually.

 

I feel like that’s the opposite. If you get over-saturated, I think with pleasure and entertainment, I think what happens is you actually start to get depressed because.

 

Blair Cottrell: Absolutely! Because you’re less receptive.

 

Joel Davis: Addicted. Yeah, exactly! You become addicted to these, like to this stimulation. And then.

 

And then you just need that stimulation.

 

And then when the stimulation is taken away, you’re like, lost.

 

Blair Cottrell: Um, but if you get too much of good stuff, you get too much pleasure, then no amount of pleasure will be enough. After a certain point, like, look at all these, like, middle class boomers and stuff that live in these beautiful big houses with perfectly maintained lawns and four cars in the garage, all like beautiful European cars. And they’re walking around with a look on their face like they can’t stand themselves or anything around them. They’re all unhappy. They’re all unhappy because they’re always geared so much towards the next material acquisition. They’ve had too much for too long.

 

Like, I can say that losing everything is a really great way to gain perspective as to what’s truly valuable. I think that’s why a lot of people have begun to focus on family ever since the quote, unquote, “pandemic and lockdown” process. Because I think during that process people weren’t able to access the usual dopamine endeavors that would have kept them busy. Typically, they weren’t able to do and acquire the things that they would usually distract themselves. With their bread and circus was somewhat limited.

 

And so they suddenly realized what’s important and what was important to them was family. I’ve noticed a lot more women since the lockdowns, in Australia at least, are geared towards children, having children and putting their children first, which is a positive development for Australia. Obviously, it’s not positive that they all got injected with that mystery goo. That’s not going to be great.

 

But there’s silver linings still. The silver linings in every circumstance, even those lockdowns.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. A lot of women just didn’t go back to work. They realize that that’s actually where they want it to be and I think that’s pretty awesome!

 

Joel Davis: What I like to an extent because I just like read a bunch of books. It’s the same reason why I wouldn’t mind going to jail because my everyday life, work and then training and then this social engagement, that social engagement, see my family, I’m gonna do this is always like shit to do. I can never actually do everything I need to do on any particular week. I just don’t have enough time.

 

And so what the lockdown did was it just kind of like cut so many of those things off and I could, I was just kind of sitting there like, hmm, what do I want to do now? Like, I hadn’t been able to ask myself that question in years and I probably, I don’t think I really asked myself that question in a while and now either. And I guess it’s a good thing.

 

But I think like the deeper point here though is that like, for me, what matters, like my entire worldview, everything. What matters is blood.

 

And that means like Tom had this bit and it’s kind of like an interesting point. It kind of sounds a little weird, but he said the people that you are friends with, in a certain sense, your kind of like mixing your bloodlines because if you spend time together and you raise your children together, the chances that they might end up marrying each other goes up. So then people that you surround yourself with, it’s like a subtle form of like sexual selection, which sounds gay, but, …

 

Thomas Sewell: No, but it is. But you’re selecting your grandchildren, you’re selecting your grandchildren.

 

So when you pick a partner, you’re selecting your children.

 

But when you select a wife. I know everyone hates that term, but I just use it.

 

But when you are selecting your friends and your wife, your friends have selected wives and your wives have selected friends. When that community is being built, you’ve now got even more in-group morality, you’ve got even more in-group loyalty because it’s a true community, because you’re sharing grandchildren with the other people.

 

And so what the jews have done so successfully to our society is they’ve atomized the family into these little nucleuses, this nuclear family.

 

And obviously for most conservatives and most people in the center of politics, they think the nuclear family is the foundation of society and that these gays and trannies are trying to destroy the nuclear family. It’s like the nuclear family is a degeneration of itself. We’re meant to be tribal, we’re meant to be at that higher level, and we’re actually meant to be even bigger than that again. But there are these basic fundamental foundations that they’re destroyed and we need to take them back.

 

Beck said something to me really interestingly today. She said that they’re going so hard, there’s two pronged attack, intergenerational war between the boomers and us. And I bring this up because it’s about the destruction of the family and the destruction of the community. At the moment, there’s going to be the biggest money transfer in the history of Australia between generations, and that’s the boomers are all dying at the moment. They’ve started dying.

 

And over the next 20 years, they’re going to be dying. And that money is all going to go to the founding stock. White Australians at our age.

 

Blair Cottrell: Are you sure? I’m pretty sure. If they had a choice, they’d be buried with their money, man!

 

Thomas Sewell: The business, of course.

 

Of course there’s $3 trillion that they haven’t spent yet. So people are counting down the day of the pillow, but the boomers are counting down the $3 trillion. They’re trying to spend the 3 trillion before they go, and we’re trying to inherit the 3 trillion. I think it’s something I can’t remember. I’m pretty sure it’s something. Some ridiculous amount of money, because it’s basically probably the entire property market outside of a few wealthy Gen-Xs and the fucking property investors like the property development. It’s What’s the property market worth in Australia and what’s the percentage of boomers that own their own homes and how many boomers are there? And you can quantify that it’s probably in the trillions of dollars.

 

Joel Davis: And so you have to wait until you die to get their inheritance. Then you’re a complete failure.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, look, I’m not going there at this stage, ..

 

But because that’s controversial in itself. Well, maybe, yeah. Where I’m going with it is that’s why the jews are promoting hedonism to the boomers. That’s why the tourism industry is such a big, … If you invested in Flight Center when it first came out, you’d be like a millionaire now because that all the cruises, they’re all going on cruises, they’re all going holidays to Greece and this and that and the other, like the boomers, they’re buying, you know, they’re always going to buy assets and stuff, but they’re really, really just dumping the money more than their parents generation of grand parents generation did. They really live in large and they’re dumping the money.

 

And then the two pronged attack is the government’s also looking to tax inheritance as much as possible. Because what the jews really fear is the middle class, the White middle class, in the sense that when you’re working class, when you’re constantly at work and you have to go to work, you don’t have much time to politically mobilize, you don’t have much time to politically agitate, you don’t have much time and energy. You don’t have the spiritual freedom and energy to go after the politician and say:

 

“Hey, hey, hey, hey, mister, you represent me, you work full-time for me. You know, I’m part of the middle class. I’m not like some guy that has to go to work that can’t think about politics. He doesn’t have the energy to think about politics. Oh, just talk to me about the footy. I can’t think about politics.”

 

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But the whole idea of the middle class is that you don’t have to go to work. You go to work because you’ve got a profession and you’re a skill. You’ve got a, you know, everyone’s got a skill, but you’ve got this higher profession. You can go leisurely. That’s why they were called the bourgeoisie. That’s not the upper class, it was the privileged class. You read my calm. Different translation. It doesn’t say the middle class and it doesn’t say the bourgeoisie. It says the privileged class or the leisure class, because you’ve got the time to read books and read the newspaper and you’re not getting rushed, you’re not on a ding ding ding. You’re not on a bell like the working class in the factory or the coal mine. You go to work when you want.

 

Joel Davis: To go to work.

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, do I have appointments? Say, oh, you can cancel my appointments. You don’t need the fucking of money. And the, …

 

Blair Cottrell: Sounds like the lifestyle of the average Australian prisoner inside jail.

 

Thomas Sewell: Well, that’s the conundrum that kings and all this. But exactly, exactly. Because that’s the other way of achieving it. Becoming a full meat, not having any responsibilities.

 

But the true connoisseur.

 

But what I’m talking about is the jews want to stop our. The millennials and the Gen-X’s. They’re about to inherit $3 trillion. They want to stop us from getting it because it would mean that we pay off our mortgages or would be able to buy a home or would inherit a home, and then we could do what we want. We can. We’re basically on UBI [Universal Basic Income]. We don’t have a fucking debt. We don’t have a mortgage. We’re not paying rent. We just feed ourselves and we can just work leisurely, and then we’ve got time to politically mobilize. The jews don’t want that, so that’s why they’re putting taxes on it. That’s why they’re telling the boomers to dump the money. Dump it. Just dump it! Go on holidays, go on cruises. Buy shit that will degrade in value. Just dump it!

 

Whereas the jews, what are they doing? They’re working until they die and they’re passing on as much money as possible so they can keep building intergenerational wealth.

 

So that’s something that should be considered.

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, we need to build White leisure. The jews don’t want White leisure. I 100% agree with that.

 

But also bridging from that point, for me, my children, when I die, they would have already got all my shit, basically, because I want them to have it earlier so that they can make more use out of it and already be passing it down, even to my grandchildren before I cock it. Ideally, because that’s what it’s for. Like, that’s what the whole point of making all that excess money is for, is for your bloodline to keep levelling up and ascending and so on.

 

It’s not to go on fucking 45 cruises when you’re 68 or whatever the fuck it is that boomers are doing. It’s not to, like, renovate your kitchen three times and all this frivolous shit that they get up to the amount of boomer renovations, although there’s drop like 40 grand to get, like, fancy toilets and shit!

 

And it’s like, what the, …

 

Blair Cottrell: And then they’re still not happy. They’re still not happy.

 

Joel Davis: The day of the pillar cannot come fast enough. Oh, fuck boomers! I can’t wait till they’re all right. Come on! Come on!

 

Blair Cottrell: We can’t we can’t just. No, no, no!

 

Joel Davis: Yes, we can. No, no.

 

Blair Cottrell: You just spoke to sympathetic grannies at that event last night who loved you.

 

Joel Davis: And they know, and they know. They know that all the other boomers are fucked!

 

Now, we need total boomer death, and it can’t come soon enough because boomers, they had it too good. Everything.

 

Thomas Sewell: No, they honor my ancestors, Joel. You will be smitten down. You’ll be smart and down my ancestors.

 

Blair Cottrell: Maybe you’re right. And maybe the reason I’m just from some misplaced sense of morality, maybe you’re actually right.

 

Joel Davis: Next. Ancestors. I got no boomer ancestors, so I got no. I’m free to hate. I’m free to hate now. The boomers created this modern world. This contemporary situation. Like, they partied up and we defeated Hitler. They gave the boomers everything. They lived it up. And now they’re like:

 

“Oh, these kids of today!”

 

Like, it’s because of that it’s literally because of them. So they just need to die and give us their shit because they don’t know what to do with it. They’ve been watching TV their whole life, so their brains are fried with television. So they have no capacity to actually think in the patterns that would be necessary to fix this problem. They can’t adapt.

 

They’re just going to keep voting for the fucking Liberal Party until they die and wasting their money. A hedonistic, self interested generation that accomplished nothing, like the generation before them that, like, won wars and fought in Korea and shit like that, they at least fucking did something to earn the respect. What did the boomer! What? You have to earn respect? What do they actually do? They didn’t do anything of any substance. They just basically gave away. Our entire civilization, had a great time giving it away.

 

And then, you know what boomers always say:

 

“Oh, yeah, well, I’ll be dead by then!”

 

You know how many times I’ve heard them say, I’ve talked to boomers about immigration, about what’s happening? They always say:

 

“But I’ll be dead. Oh, that’s something for you to deal with. I’ll be dead by then!”

 

This country’s going to shit up. I’ve heard this literally a thousand times from boomers across my life, I’ve heard.

 

Blair Cottrell: Doesn’t the thought of the fact that they’re going to be alive doesn’t matter. Code of them.

 

Joel Davis: So that’s why I wish death upon them.

 

Blair Cottrell: Mortgages. You guys heard of reverse mortgages? Jehu Hunt sends $10 and says:

 

“They’re trying to get boomers in the US to get reverse mortgages.”

 

Thomas Sewell: Oh, yeah. Yeah. So to refinance their home and die in debt, but they get to spend even more money.

 

Blair Cottrell: And so basically the home doesn’t go to the children. It goes to the bank.

 

Thomas Sewell: So they paid off the home and then. Yeah, so they can use their home as leverage to holiday and live out even more.

 

Joel Davis: They’re already getting pensions bad. Already getting pensions. They’ve got retirement benefits. And the shit that they bought for eight grand. They bought their house, their first house for like, eight grand. Now it’s worth $1.8 million.

 

Thomas Sewell: Well, they just pulled themselves up by their bootstraps. My theory, look, my theory, I agree with everything, and I’ve obviously felt the same emotions.

 

Joel Davis: Imagine if you go down.

 

Thomas Sewell: My theory is pretty simple.

 

Joel Davis: Imagine going into the pub, …

 

Thomas Sewell: We are going to get the money. And they’re all your age, when we deserve the money. We’re going to get the money, and not a moment sooner. God wants us to struggle further. I’ve had the exact same thoughts, but we’re just going to keep struggling. We’re just going to keep struggling.

 

Blair Cottrell: I’ve got to play a little contrarian, though, because I had boomer parents. I still have. Why do I always refer to my parents in the past tense, like they’re still alive? Just ever since they moved into a different state now, I’m always like, my dad was. My dad still is. They worked hard and they did the best they could for me. I believe that they raised, …

 

Joel Davis: They raised Blair cultural, so they get a pass. Like, they generated, like, super Nazi. So they get a pass. They did something good with the, …

 

Blair Cottrell: I’m just. Yeah, thanks for that, because I’m just worried, really. I’m just worried that my dad watching this or something.

 

Joel Davis: Your parents get, obviously, I’m speaking in generalities. It’s like, I speak in generalities, and then people get offended. Like, what? I’m like:

 

“Yeah, obviously some Italians are White. Obviously, obviously some boomers are, …”

 

Okay, but let me speak in generalities. You know what I mean? Let me just. That just get it just vibe, just get it. Okay.

 

But the point is that anyway, no boomers are watching this because they don’t know how to work Rumble. So it’s fine, there’s no boomers watching!

 

But the point of all of this is its really integral that I think our political strategy is geared entirely towards the youth. We’re not going to save the boomers. We’re not going to save old people. Gen-X might be dragged into a new reality by us, but really it’s going to be the millennials that are going to lead the charge in building the new kind of politics and we’re going to have to bring the generations below us in with us. That’s the way in which the movement is going to form.

 

And so that’s what I mean by, forget boomers, they’re dying anyway. And the beautiful thing about it is that no one is going to vote for conservative parties once they’re dead. So conservatism, the senorite will die with the boomers, and there’ll be a new paradigm. There will be far-Left, Mongoloid, mixed race, transgender insanity, and there’ll be us, and we’ll be standing, facing off, and that’ll be 10, 20, 30 years from now. That’ll be what the politics morphs into when the boomers are all dead. And hopefully we have some of the boomer money and some White leisure so that we can win. But that’s basically the situation.

 

So we don’t need to appeal to boomers. We don’t need to be like:

 

“Oh, don’t upset the boomers!”

 

The boomers are not going to help us and they’re going to die anyway.

 

So they’re not going to be part of the solution because we’re not going to have White nationalism next Tuesday. It’s going to take 20, 30 years at least to build this. So and they’ll all be dead by then. So they literally don’t matter.

 

Blair Cottrell: Yeah. Well, it’s been a good conversation so far. Generally, we browse through some relevant news topics, news articles.

 

Is there anything you want to bring up, Joel?

 

Joel Davis: There was a few interesting ones, actually. So I saw this just posted by The Noticer just now. It says, Noticer News:

 

“Far left terrorists firebomb and deface jewish MP’s Melbourne office. No arrest made.”

 

[1:30:47]

 

I wonder if these were the same far-Left terrorists that blew up Tim looks his car. It’ll be interesting to watch this story. Like, can the jews get the state to go after these guys in the end anyway? So I’ll read the story:

 

“A jewish MP has been targeted by far-Left terrorists who firebombed his Melbourne office, smashed windows and defaced it with political slogans. But police are yet to arrest the extremists responsible.”

 

You know, to be fair to the police, I mean, they probably don’t know who did it yet. Like, you know, it literally only happened. Okay, maybe they only happened yesterday.

 

Thomas Sewell: Bright pain as when they know.

 

But it’s the same group of people.

 

Joel Davis: It’s the same group.

 

Thomas Sewell: They have a signature like, I’m not a fucking.

 

Blair Cottrell: You don’t have own abomination turns on, you know?

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. You don’t have to be a detective. Signature everywhere. They do the red spray paint, it’s. They’ve got a system. They film it.

 

Blair Cottrell: There’s four or five when it is.

 

Thomas Sewell: The same, or vehicles they drive, it’s the same people. Like, we’ve built our case against them and the police have more resources than us.

 

Blair Cottrell: So they’re gonna be identified pretty soon, though. Yeah. Well, if it is the same people who have now hit this jewish guy’s office, it was a jewish MP. Is that right, Joel?

 

Joel Davis: Yeah, but to not like to arrest them, they probably need to build a case. So I’m sure.

 

Thomas Sewell: I’m sure Antifa.

 

Joel Davis: I’m saying I’m making the point, though. I think that they will end up going after them because it’s like, it’s the jews. Like they actually got up.

 

Thomas Sewell: The jews, yes. That’s.

 

Blair Cottrell: They’re only going to keep upping the ante until they get caught because they’re demonstrating an escalation in their activity. It’s almost brazen now. It’s almost like, Catch Me If You Can, motherfuckers. Right? So what are they going to do next? Like, is someone going to get burned alive in a building next like that they set on fire? They need to. It’s past time that these people got caught, I suppose.

 

So if anyone has the influence in Australia to find out who these guys are, it’s probably going to be a member of the jewish community that makes it happen. Uh, Australian government doesn’t seem to lift a finger to do anything unless someone from the jewish community is demanding that it’s done.

 

So, yeah, I think they’ve probably targeted the wrong person this time.

 

Thomas Sewell: The Australian government are the whipping boys of the jews. And they’re sick. They love their slavery!

 

Joel Davis: They just got on antivirals doing something actually kind of, yes.

 

Thomas Sewell: It was pretty dumb. It was pretty dumb. That’s a pretty stupid thing to do. Um, yeah, we’re gonna.

 

Joel Davis: I’m not gonna endorse what they did, but I’m not gonna complain about it.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I’m not complaining about it either. I’m not gonna interrupt them making mistakes. Fucking idiots!

 

Joel Davis: Uh, well, what else have we got here? Um, most Americans want mass deportations of illegal immigrants, including 67% of Whites poll shows and I think 62% of Americans. So that just shows that we talked about on the show last week that like, the mass deportations was a minority position and now it’s like two thirds of the country want mass deportations of illegal immigrants in America. It shows that deportations are getting more popular. We’re seeing remigration getting more popular in Europe as well.

 

So we’ve got to start normalising these talking points in Australia because the people just haven’t really considered the idea of deportations and sending these people back. People just kind of view immigration in terms of politically. How many more new people are going to come in? And there isn’t even a discussion about removing anyone that’s already here. It’s like once they’re here, they’re just that we’re stuck with them forever, apparently. So changing the terms of the political conversation to say:

 

“Hey, wait a second, actually, we can send these people back!”

 

And the vast majority of non-Whites in Australia don’t actually have Australian citizens. Only a minority of them have citizenship.

 

Blair Cottrell: So what do they have that gives them the right to be here legally?

 

Joel Davis: Like, there’s various different kinds of visas and residencies and some of them are overstaying visas and are here illegally.

 

But yeah, they are on various different kinds of Visa classes and obviously they do naturalize them at a certain rate, but because the majority, because so many of them have come recently and it’s a process, a very large percentage of them don’t have citizenship.

 

So the state can very easily deport and get rid of the ones that don’t have citizenship quite easily. I think, like, if we were to come to power, or a nationalist or populist Right government was to come to power, we should start having a conversation about revoking citizenships that were issued after a certain date. If you can’t trace back your parents to an Australian citizen back one or two generations or something, and then, you know, we would be able to start revoking a lot of these fraudulent citizenships.

 

I mean, that’s the other thing that doesn’t actually make any sense. There are many East Asian countries or Southeast Asian countries that bring in immigrant workers or Middle Eastern countries. They bring in immigrant workers, but they don’t give them, like, citizenship. They just give them a visa, like a rolling working Visa that they can perpetually renew, perhaps, and they can live in the country and work in the country, but they don’t become citizens because the idea is that citizens are like, the actual people who are of this nation, not just some random guy who’s working here.

 

So the pretext for bringing in these migrants is always, well, we need help with this or that economic project. We need workers. Apparently, that’s how it’s always framed. They come here, they work hard, they contribute to the economy. And obviously, we’ve deconstructed those arguments about how that’s bullshit!

 

But at the same time, even if we were to accept it for argument’s sake, why do they need to become citizens for? Why can’t they just work hard?

 

Thomas Sewell: The liberal theory is that they’ll work harder. They’ll be more loyal slaves. They’ll work harder if we give them the piece of paper, if we protect.

 

Joel Davis: Them harder, if we give them all these extra rights to get free shit from us, then they’ll work harder.

 

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, well, it ultimately backfires. Mom takes over. Mom eventually takes over. That’s what happens when feminine men and women are in charge. They become too empathetic.

 

Joel Davis: Another story that I thought was very interesting was I think, what? Have you two shared this actually? Yeah.

 

Thomas Sewell: Direct their empathy in the wrong direction. It’s not actually an increase in empathy. They don’t have an increase in empathy. They’re misdirecting their empathy to the out-group. That’s the correct framing.

 

Joel Davis: So this article here:

 

“Indian Meat Cleaver rapist is cleared of criminal responsibility because he, quote, thought he was in a video game.”

 

Blair Cottrell: I mean, yeah, this is not what it seems, but I’ll let you finish.

 

Thomas Sewell: I’m gonna get some milk. I’ll be back.

 

Joel Davis: It says here Indian man. Yeah:

 

“An Indian man who violently raped a woman while armed with a meat cleaver and a choke chain has been cleared of criminal responsibility on mental health grounds after convincing psychiatrists that he thought he was inside a video game at the time. Katie Bulla Murza, 37, sexually assaulted the woman, 26, after breaking into a random above apartment in Auburn, western Sydney, November 2022, placing a chain around her neck, striking her elbow with the cleaver and slapping her in the face. He carried out the horrendous attack just hours after groping another woman’s breast in Marrickville and a month after indecently touching a woman’s backside in Zetland, his home suburb. District Court Judge Ian Burke found on Tuesday that the acts were proven, but that Mirza was mentally impaired and therefore not criminally responsible. He referred Mercer to the Mental Health Review Tribunal and ordered that he be detained in a secure forensic hospital or mental health facility until facing the tribunal. Judge Burke referred to evidence by psychiatrist Professor David Greenberg. Greenberg, who appeared as a witness for the prosecution and told the court that Merza had told him he thought the rape was part of a game and that his victim was another player who let him do anything he wanted. Professor Greenberg compiled two reports, saying in the first that he was of the opinion that Merza had a mental health impairment in the form of schizophrenia disorder, with co-morbid diagnosis of substance use disorder and PTSD in partial remission. This was partially based on a letter from a psychiatrist Mirza saw in India, doctor Meena Ganak Secharin, who stated that he’d been diagnosed with major depressive disorder with psychosis, abduction, paranoid delusions. He needed, quote, immediate and constant medical care.”

 

If he was in India with all of these mental diseases, how was he getting into Australia anyway?:

 

“He concluded that Mercer did not know that the acts were wrong, but after a request from the Crown to review additional issues, compiled a second report. Quote, in that report, Professor Greenberg confirmed that the accused likely knew the nature and quality of his acts and likely knew the legal wrongfulness of those acts.”

 

“However, he remained firmly of the view that at the time of the alleged offenses, the accused had a mental health impairment which had the effect that he did not know that the acts were wrong. That is, he couldn’t, he could not reason within a moderate degree of sense and composure about the acts as perceived by reasonable people, reasonable people at that time. Judge Burke wrote in his judgment.”

 

What the fuck?

 

Anyway, Professor Greenberg went on to say that in his opinion, yeah, it’s insane!