Tony Gonzales: There are law enforcement officers that want to be enforcing our laws, and they’re not able to.

 

Elon Musk: Okay. They’re just not allowed to enforce laws.

 

Tony Gonzales: No, this is their new normal. Thousands of people every day!

 

Elon Musk: Thousands of people every day. Yeah. All right. Well, I can’t really switch around.

 

So anyway, that’s like, I don’t know if you can sort of see that group, but that’s a group there.

 

Obviously Elon here. I’m at Eagle Pass, just arrived. And we’re just going to go around and talk to the major officials and law enforcement and whatnot that are here and just kind of eyeball the situation, get a sense for what’s going on, so you can get the kind of, like, the real story.

 

This is real time, unfiltered. There’s no preconditions, no nothing. This is what you see is what I see.

 

So it could be, like, a little bit herky jerky at times, because this is not like a piece that’s being filmed and then subsequently edited. And whatnot. This is live. This is the raw feed you’re seeing right here.

 

All right. With that I should actually, let me preface this by also saying that as an immigrant to the United States, I’m extremely pro-immigrant. And I believe that we need a greatly expanded legal immigration system. And that we should let anyone in the country who is hardworking and honest and will be a contributor to the United States. We should have expedited legal approval for anyone who sort of falls in that category.

 

But then, by the same token, we should also not be allowing people in the country if they’re breaking the law! That doesn’t make sense. The law is there for a reason.

 

So I think we want to do both things. Smooth out legal immigration and then stop sort of a flow of people that is of such a magnitude that is actually leading to a collapse of social services. Where even America’s largest city, New York, is buckling under the pressure of just how many illegal immigrants are going to New York. If New York can’t handle it, well, pretty much no part of the country can.

 

So if we don’t do something soon, we’re just going to have, like I said, a collapse in social services, as we’re already seeing in New York.

 

So with that, let me move to introducing some of the people here. Just basically introduce yourself.

 

Tony Gonzales: Yeah. I’m Tony Gonzales. I’m the local Member of Congress here. I represent 823 miles of the southern border, 42% of the southern border, two thirds of the Texas-Mexico border. I really appreciate Elon coming down and giving an unfiltered depiction of what’s happening on the border.

 

We feel us along the border, we feel very abandoned. And there’s some solutions, some real solutions! A big part of this is being able to share stories that no one hears about.

 

So you’re going to hear from sheriffs, you’re going to hear from judges, ranchers and just see some other folks.

 

[03:14]

 

Elon Musk: Let’s just see if this [camera] is still working. Let’s see. Still working. I was a bit worried that so many people might go on it that it crashes.

 

Tony Gonzales: Yeah.

 

Elon Musk: We’re back live. So I uploaded like a 15 minutes video, but I think the cell connection here is not super good. It’d be helpful to have some Starlink maps.

 

Tony Gonzales: Yeah. There you go.

 

Elon Musk: I’ll be uploading the 15 minutes video as soon as I get a good connection. And hopefully this live stream is working reasonably well.

 

All right, well, let’s just continue. Sorry for the delay.

 

Tony Gonzalez: Yeah, no, that’s okay.

 

Let’s continue over here at the Border Patrol. Border Patrol. And you’ll see it, I mean, right here under the bridge, you’re seeing hundreds of people getting processed. And this is every single day!

 

And they’ll go to another soft sided facility that has thousands of people. Right now it’s over 5,000 people. Over here to the Right, literally under a bridge. A lot of trade happens here in the city.

 

Elon Musk: Okay, so it’s just sort of like that’s a bridge. And there’s like people getting processed and then they come across on the trains over there.

 

Tony Gonzales: Yeah, exactly! It’s like an initial intake spot and then they’ll send them through, but it’s nonstop all day long.

 

Have you noticed all the Border Patrol agents? The number one thing that Border Patrol agents ask of me is to get back out in the field. They don’t want to be here processing people. They want to be catching bad actors. And they’re not. And you’ve got dozens of them here.

 

And this is probably the biggest issue. If we can do that, then we keep America safe from Fentanyl and opioids and some of these things that are killing all Americans.

 

Elon Musk: Okay, just go over some of the numbers that we talked about in the video that I’ll upload later. There’s, roughly, correct me if I’m wrong, about two and a half million processed legals per year. And then it’s somewhat debatable how many are sort of unprocessed, but maybe it’s like in total close, maybe four or 5 million immigrants per year. This number has reached all time highs.

 

Tony Gonzales: All time highs!

 

Elon Musk: All time highs. And it’s continuing to increase?

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes.

 

Elon Musk: And nothing as far as you know, has been done about it at the federal level?

 

Tony Gonzales: Nothing! Simple things, common sense things that we can enact can make a difference today.

 

Simple things like raising the level of credible fear many people are seeking asylum are not going to qualify for asylum.

 

Elon Musk: Let’s move to where you can get a better, I don’t know, maybe like this way? I don’t know. Sure. Okay.

 

[05:54]

 

Tony Gonzales: Yeah. So right now, last month, there was over 200,000 people that came over illegally.

 

So that’s in the millions. You multiply that times twelve. Here you are, two and a half million people coming over. Most of the people that are seeking asylum are not going to qualify for asylum. Nine out of ten actually are not.

 

So one of the things that we can do is we can raise the asylum criteria.

 

Elon Musk: Now, an important point is that although, as you’re saying, basically 90% do not qualify for asylum, of the 90 percent that do not qualify for asylum, how many are sent back to the country of origin?

 

Tony Gonzales: Zero! I mean, here in this, …

 

Elon Musk: Okay that is a real point.

 

Tony Gonzales: In Del Rio sector alone, you have 2,500 people coming over illegally a day and zero sending back!

 

Elon Musk: Zero!

 

Tony Gonzales: Zero!

 

Elon Musk: Not even like ten? Not even, …

 

Tony Gonzales: Nothing! So what kind of signal does that send the rest of the world?

 

Elon Musk: Sure.

 

Tony Gonzales: Is this is where you need to come, and you’re not going to be sent back?

 

Elon Musk: Okay, so there’s basically no repercussions.

 

Tony Gonzales: No repercussions! That’s the number one thing that this administration has to do. Is there has to be some repercussions.

 

Now, it’s due process.

 

Elon Musk: Sure.

 

Tony Gonzales: Make sure that people get their day in court. That I’ve been advocating that one person that does qualify for asylum, we need to make sure that they don’t get sent back to certain death or anything like that. But the nine out of ten that don’t? I mean, there has to be repercussions.

 

And once you do that, Elon, this goes away!

 

Elon Musk: Yeah.

 

Tony Gonzales: It went away for Trump, it went away for Obama, it went away for Bush, it went away for Clinton. And they’re not willing to do that. And I don’t understand why.

 

Elon Musk: Well, when you reached out to the White House, what’s their response?

 

Tony Gonzales: Their response is:

 

“It is a political problem.”

 

Elon Musk: What does that mean, “political”?

 

Tony Gonzales: They think it’s, …, you know, the Republicans are blaming the Democrats. Democrats are blaming the Republicans.

 

Elon Musk: They think it’s not real?

 

Tony Gonzales: It’s not real. It’s a “political problem”.

 

Honestly, what’s working the most is these Mayors from these cities, they’re all many times Democrat, …

 

Elon Musk: Mayor of New York, in fact!

 

Tony Gonzales: Mayor of New York, very, …

 

Elon Musk: The governor of New York!

 

Tony Gonzales: The governor of New York! Exactly! The Mayor of El Paso, these places, anywhere, anything that, …

 

Elon Musk: This is not a partisan issue.

 

Tony Gonzales: It’s not. It’s a policy issue! It’s a policy issue! And we can be humane. And we can be all these things, and we can protect those that qualify for asylum, but we also need to have repercussions for people that don’t do!

 

[08:09]

 

Elon Musk: Sure. Exactly! I mean, we’re in this absurd situation where the vast majority of people are not, in fact, asylum seekers. You can actually read on Google in any language you want, what are the magic words you need to say.

And then you’re automatically in the asylum sort of queue, which takes several years before you actually see anyone. And then even if you do see one, even if you are denied, you are not deported.

 

Tony Gonzales: Exactly!

 

And once you do that, all that does is attract more people to come over illegally. And ultimately it undermines those that are trying to do it legally!

 

Elon Musk: Yeah. To be clear, we’re both very much in favor of expanded legal immigration.

 

Tony Gonzales: Yeah.

 

Elon Musk: I think anyone who is hardworking and honest should be, and it’s really going to add to, to be a net addition to the economy. I think we should let them in.

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes.

 

Elon Musk: But I mean, what we’re seeing here are, in some cases, some pretty extreme individuals coming through.

 

Tony Gonzales: Sure.

 

Elon Musk: Obviously not suggesting everyone is like this, but you’re talking about a guy who came through who had face tatoos, including tears.

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes.

 

Elon Musk: Had tattooed on his face.

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes!

 

Elon Musk: When somebody tattoos a tear, it means that they have murdered someone, and they are so proud of having murdered someone that they tattoo one tear on their face for every person that they kill. Is that correct?

 

Tony Gonzales: That’s exactly right.

 

Elon Musk: And this person just claimed asylum?

 

Tony Gonzales: Claimed asylum.

 

Elon Musk: And we just let them in?

 

Tony Gonzales: We let them in.

 

Elon Musk: Again, a serial murderer!

 

Tony Gonzales: Exactly!

 

Elon Musk: Who is proud of their murders!

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes.

 

Elon Musk: This is insane!

 

Tony Gonzales: The other piece of it, too, is many of these people are coming from Central and South America, where culturally, it is not acceptable to have tattoos at all. Period!

 

Elon Musk: Right, so it’s a big deal.

 

Tony Gonzales: It’s a big deal to have a tattoo. It’s an even bigger deal to have a neck tattoo and a face tatoo! That means it’s almost certain that you are culturally unacceptable wherever you came from.

 

So there’s a lot of red flag issues that are glaring. These are people that nobody should want in their communities.

 

I mean, I’m talking bad actors. I’m talking, …

 

Elon Musk: Yeah. It’s safe to say that if somebody is a multiple murderer and proud of it, tattooing it on the face, they’re unrepentant, to say the least.

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes!

 

Elon Musk: It’s not like they try to get the tattoo removed.

 

Tony Gonzales: Right.

 

Elon Musk: And most likely, if they were murdering people somewhere else and proud of it, they will continue in that tradition.

 

Tony Gonzales: That’s exactly right.

 

Elon Musk: Yeah.

 

Tony Gonzales: I was in West Texas, 300 miles from the border in my district, and there was a sheriff that told me a story where two folks had come over illegally from Cuba, and they were working in the oil and gas industry. They’re making money, and they were going to go buy a truck and basically start a company in their own.

 

And the plan was both of you put $30,000 to go buy this truck. They’re friends. They come together. The one friend shows his $30,000, and the other friend murders him. Murders him! Takes his money, dismembers his body, …

 

Elon Musk: Okay.

 

Tony Gonzales: Spreads it everywhere. And that’s a friend! I mean, what I’m getting at, …

 

Elon Musk: I would say that’s not much of a friend.

 

Tony Gonzales: That’s not much of a friend. If you’re willing to do that to somebody, like, …

 

[11:09]

 

Elon Musk: Full on, like Breaking Bad situation.

 

Tony Gonzales: Exactly! You just don’t know. And that’s what people are scared! People in American, citizens are scared! They just don’t feel safe. They don’t know who these people are. They don’t want to assume. But they also don’t want to not assume. They have children. It’s a safety issue.

 

Elon Musk: Okay. And not only is there no end of sight, but this issue is accelerating rapidly.

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes! Yes! And it’s getting worse! Many people that are coming over now, before, they would have someone in the United States to go to, or they would have money. The folks that are coming over now are impoverished. They have no money, and they have nowhere to go.

 

Elon Musk: Okay.

 

Tony Gonzales: So they’re trying to scrape together some money to take a bus trip to the next destination, if you will. It’s a bad situation all the way around sand a large part of it is because the administration is attracting these folks to come knowing full well they’re not going to have any of the, … It’s a dead end road that they’re going down.

 

Elon Musk: This sounds like complete madness.

 

Tony Gonzales: It is!

 

Elon Musk: Okay.

 

Tony Gonzales: Imagine if you have to live it every day! Not only is it getting mad, it’s becoming normal! That is what I worry about.

 

Elon Musk: Normalizing insanity!

 

Tony Gonzales: That is why.

 

Elon Musk: You’re living in a clown world here!

 

Tony Gonzales: Ha, ha! You coming down was so important! Does this look normal to you? Does any of this look normal?

 

Elon Musk: Well, and the train that’s coming across, that’s basically where people hop on top of the train and.

 

Tony Gonzales: Hop on top of the train.

 

Elon Musk: Let’s see. I think the sheriff was, … I don’t know if the Sheriff’s still here? But you’re telling us about how they’re really pretty expert at sort of turning the brakes on the train.

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes.

 

Elon Musk: So it’s dialed, basically.

 

Tony Gonzales: It is. You’ve got real commerce mixed in with illegal traffic, and so it muddies the situation for everybody.

 

Elon Musk: Okay.

 

Tony Gonzales: How about, what can we do about it?

 

Elon Musk: Yeah, what can we do about it?

 

Tony Gonzales: What can we do about, how does this end? We have a government.

 

Elon Musk: Yeah, we have a crisis. What’s the recommendation?

 

[13:05]

 

Tony Gonzales: We have a government that’s about to shut down, and it’s going to shut down. I think there’s an opportunity if we can reopen the government and there be real solutions attached with some border security measures in there, that are non-partisan.

 

I’m not talking really crazy stuff one way or another. I’m talking something everybody can agree on. This could be a win-win for America. We just need the Right package to be crafted with some sensible things. You raise the level of credible fear. You turn on the repatriation flights. So at least some people that are coming over, …

 

Elon Musk: Above zero.

 

Tony Gonzales: Above zero would be a good start!

 

And then the immigration judges are so critical to it. You surge immigration judges, and that way when somebody comes in, they get their case heard immediately, not seven years from now.

 

You do that for a month, and all of a sudden the words out:

 

“Hey, the border is closed! Go through another route.”

 

Elon Musk: Okay, let’s see. Hey, guys! [media people] How’s it going?

 

Sheriff’s been obviously busy, so I don’t know if they’re still here or anything or they have to go. Yeah, they have to take off. Okay, well, I think I got them on recording.

 

Tony Gonzales: Yeah.

 

Elon Musk: All right. What else do you think we should do?

 

Tony Gonzales: How about some Border Patrol agents?

 

Elon Musk: Okay, sure.

 

Tony Gonzales: These are Federal because that was from the county standpoint.

 

Elon Musk: Hey, guys, are you cool being on camera at all?

 

Federal guy: We’re not, …

 

Elon Musk: Okay. Don’t worry about it. Sure. The camera is pointed at me, so don’t worry about it.

 

Federal guy: Thank you. Thank you man.

 

Elon Musk: All right.

 

Tony Gonzales: This is the part where a lot of folks are frustrated because they want to be working.

 

Elon Musk: Sure.

 

Tony Gonzales: I mean, they’re law enforcement officers that want to be enforcing our laws, and they’re not able to.

 

Elon Musk: Okay. They’re just not allowed to enforce laws?

 

Tony Gonzales: No. This is their new normal, and that is not a long term winning strategy for a positive part of the Border Patrol, Customs and Border Protection.

 

Elon Musk: Okay. Well, anyone else we think we can talk to?

 

Tony Gonzales: I think we’ve, … Let’s walk a little bit further down this way. I think the part that, … This is a golf course.

 

Elon Musk: Okay.

 

Tony Gonzales: So to the Left, you have a golf course, an actual functioning golf course.

 

Elon Musk: Sure.

 

Tony Gonzalez: And to the Right, you have a processing center, a mobile processing center.

 

Elon Musk: Okay.

 

Tony Gonzales: The other piece of it, too, is the transportation. Like, how does this all work? Well, you got to have water. You got to have food. You got to have vehicles, buses. None of that is free. Somebody has to pay for that. And who’s paying for it is oftentimes the Mayor, or the county, or Border Patrol agents or Customs and Border Protection is paying for buses instead of something else.

 

[15:54]

 

Elon Musk: Okay. These people are all waiting to get processed, right? Sure.

 

Hey, guys. How’s it going?

 

Tony Gonzales: This is the shot right here.

 

Elon Musk: Okay.

 

Tony Gonzales: These people you see how orderly it is?

 

Elon Musk: Yeah. It’s very orderly.

 

Tony Gonzales: It’s like an orderly, chaotic, unruly event that’s happening.

 

Elon Musk: Okay.

 

Tony Gonzales: And it’s wrong! It’s wrong for everybody involved.

 

Elon Musk: Sure.

 

Tony Gonzales: We’re not talking one or two people. We’re talking thousands of people every day!

 

Elon Musk: Thousands of people every day. Yeah. All right. Okay. I’m going to end the live stream now.

 

[And now here’s the 15 min video Elon mentioned.]

 

Tony Gonzales: The first person I’d like to hear from is Randy Brown, who is the sheriff of Medina County. It’s about an hour away from, about 100 miles away from here, and Randy’s behind us now. You want to come over here, Randy? And just the question I have is, what’s happening in your county?

 

Elon Musk: And just imagine, like, you’re just talking to America here, and people just want to understand exactly what’s going on, but assume that people do not know what’s going on.

 

Randy: Well, you got to go back sometime. And whenever the open border policies from the White House kind of got thrown out there, we’ve been overrun.

 

Elon Musk: How long ago was that?

 

Randy: What year was that?

 

Tony Gonzales: Two years ago.

 

Randy: Two years ago. We’ve been battling it for two years.

 

Elon Musk: Okay. So you’re saying there’s been an open border policy essentially for the past two years?

 

Randy: It was an invitation.

 

Elon Musk: An invitation?

 

Randy: That’s how I read it! That’s how it was told from the White House.

 

Elon Musk: Okay.

 

Randy: They don’t have a clue what’s going on here, I don’t think. Because if they did, maybe they would care. Maybe they wouldn’t. I don’t know.

 

Tony Gonzales: How does the train impact you? Because the trains have been a big story lately. Just over here. This is kind of where it starts, Elon, where you see all these thousands of people on a train. This is where they’re coming through. But it doesn’t end here. It just starts here.

 

Elon Musk: Yeah.

 

Tony Gonzales: Medina county is where they’re going to make it to the big cities like Pen,…

 

Randy: Two major rail lines come through my county and on those illegals rides. They actually control the trains because they know how to crank down the brake on the car. So when it passes a heat sensor, the conductor has to stop the train. Then the illegals get off, the people come to get them. And all the stolen vehicles are stealing from all over the country. Nearly every one of them is in a stolen vehicle.

 

Elon Musk: Okay.

 

Randy: So then we get involved. And then they’re trespassing on private property.

 

[18:21]

 

Elon Musk: Okay.

 

Randy: And when you do get behind one of them, they run through fences, they run over equipment. Irrigation stuff is important to the farmers. They run over their equipment. They tear it up. We tear up vehicles trying to hold a line. We’re trying to hold the line 100 miles away. Because the line is not getting held here!

 

It’s not that complicated to close the border! Really isn’t! And that’s the aggravating part. I think any sheriff will tell you the same thing!

 

Elon Musk: All right. Well, again, just assume that this is really just for the general public.

 

And so we want to just frame the situation because not everyone knows magnitude. And is this normal, or is it like, … So just if you could just frame the situation for the general public that would be helpful.

 

Tony Gonzales: What terrifies me the most is we’re seeing historic numbers. Historic! 11,000 people coming over daily for the past week! Here in Eagle Pass alone, 2,500 people. Over 5,000 people in detention.

 

But what worries me the most is this in many cases feels normal. The part that doesn’t make it out on some of the news stuff is there is a golf course. We’re literally standing in front of a golf course, and you have people playing golf as if it is normal. To the Right you have people that are coming over illegally. It is upside down!

 

And like Elon said earlier, I believe in legal immigration. I think legal immigration is important.

 

And what happens is when you grant people that have come over illegally these different opportunities, you completely undermine,

 

Elon Musk: Like the stuff we were talking about in the car, the magnitude of the situation.

 

Tony Gonzales: Magnitude of it! Yeah.

 

Elon Musk: The fact that we are seeing all time highs in illegal processing, and that ramp is increasing!

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes!

 

Elon Musk: So these are really important points. Because the public isn’t, … I think it’s not necessarily clear to the public. Is this normal? Or are we seeing an accelerating crisis?

 

Tony Gonzales: It’s not getting better. It’s getting worse! Last Friday, a week ago was a historic number! 11,000 people that came over.

 

Elon Musk: Okay.

 

Tony Gonzales: And then on Monday that number increased. Today is Thursday and that number increased! We’re only going in the wrong direction. This is a week. What happens two weeks from now, it’s the wrong way!

 

Elon Musk: Okay.

 

So basically we’re seeing unprecedented all time highs, and increasing!

 

Tony Gonzales: And spreading. It’s not in just one area. Like it’s not just one city or one town and not even one state anymore. We’re talking about New York today, but Chicago, you’re hearing it there. LA, Denver, there’s all these other places where it’s just spreading, just continues to get bubbling up.

 

Elon Musk: And just to quantify it, I think you said 2,000 a day or something. Just in this location?

 

Tony Gonzales: Yeah, just here!

 

[21:12]

 

Elon Musk: That’s like over 700,000 a year?

 

Tony Gonzales: Just in this one location! Yeah.

 

Elon Musk: Okay. 700,000 illegal immigrants a year, just in this one location?

 

Tony Gonzales: Just in this one location!

 

Elon Musk: Okay.

 

Tony Gonzales: El Paso right now. In El Paso.

 

Elon Musk: Yeah. That’s higher than the population of Wyoming by far.

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes.

 

Elon Musk: Okay. And that’s just one location. What is the total number from all locations, roughly, per year?

 

Tony Gonzales: In the millions. I mean, it’s literally millions!

 

Elon Musk: Millions?

 

Tony Gonzales: Millions! And those are just for the folks that we know have engaged. What about all the others?

 

Elon Musk: That’s just who was actually processed?

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes! The gotaways are the ones, …

 

Elon Musk: Yeah. So meaning that the actual number is much higher.

 

Tony Gonzales: Much higher!

 

Elon Musk: Okay. That’s very important people to know that the actual number is much higher. Is the official number something like 2 million or something, or where is it?

 

Tony Gonzales: It varies and it depends on who you ask. But I’ve seen it as high as 2.6 million. And that number just every year for the past three years has almost doubled. It was like 1.1.

 

Elon Musk: Doubling year after year.

 

Tony Gonzales: Doubling year after year. It’s compounding year after year because it’s not just one part of the world either. It’s all parts of the world that are coming! In El Paso, …

 

Elon Musk: I think that’s actually important point to make because sometimes people think, well, people are coming from Mexico, but this is not the case.

 

Tony Gonzalez: No. Not the case at all.

 

Elon Musk: The reality is that this is an open border for all of Earth!

 

Tony Gonzales: All of Earth.

 

Elon Musk: So there’s roughly 350,000,000 people in the US. But there’s 8 billion people on Earth!

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes.

 

Elon Musk: This is an open border to 8 billion people!

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes.

 

Elon Musk: In fact, I believe a small minority, it’s a small percentage that are actually coming from Mexico?

 

Tony Gonzales: Yeah.

 

Elon Musk: That are Mexican?

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes. That’s true.

 

Elon Musk: Okay.

 

Tony Gonzales: Sheriff Duche, how close are you the border? 60 miles?

 

Sheriff Duche: 68 miles from the border.

 

Tony Gonzales: 68 miles from the border.

 

Sheriff Duche: That’s right.

 

Tony Gonzales: What type of nationalities are coming through your county?

 

Sheriff Duche: We’re seeing anywhere from Honduras, El Salvador. I believe, Ecuador and stuff like that even, …

 

Elon Musk: That’s pretty much every country, right?

 

Sheriff Duche: Pretty much every country.

 

Elon Musk: Yeah.

 

Sheriff Duche: It’s very rare that we see anybody just from Mexico.

 

Elon Musk: Oh, it’s actually rare to see anyone from Mexico?

 

[23:25]

 

Sheriff Duche: And I’m 68 miles from the border. I’m 80 miles south of here.

 

Tony Gonzales: How big is your workforce? How big is the sheriff’s office?

 

Sheriff Duche: My patrol staff is only 16 strong, 16 total.

 

Tony Gonzales: Okay, so how many do you have on call at one time?

 

Sheriff Duche: Maybe two at the most.

 

Tony Gonzales: Two law enforcement officers to tackle, … I mean, some of these counties that I represent, there’s size of states and they’ve got two or three people trying to tackle it all. This is where the local community just feel completely overwhelmed because Border Patrol agents used to be the front line and now they’re here, they’re under the bridge, they’re processing folks. So they’re completely out of the game. So these law enforcement, the local law enforcement officers are carrying all the weight.

 

Sheriff Duche: My county alone is 1500 sq miles.

 

Elon Musk: Right.

 

So it’s not possible really.

 

Sheriff Duche: Very difficult to handle.

 

Elon Musk: Yeah. Okay. It’s worth going over a bunch of things that you mentioned to me, which is like there’s almost no repatriation. This is another thing that I found surprising.

 

So basically once somebody gets in, they’re in! Essentially there’s in theory, repatriation, in theory flying back. And I believe he talked to the President of Guatemala and asked him, will they take people back? And he said:

 

“Of course.”

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes. He said:

 

“I’ll take every single one of them.”

 

Elon Musk: Yeah, no problem.

 

Tony Gonzales: No problem. All you got to do is ask. Just call.

 

Elon Musk: The White House just needs to call.

 

Tony Gonzales: Exactly!

 

Elon Musk: Seems like that’s like not a difficult thing. [chuckling]

 

Tony Gonzales: Elon. Every White House has done that. Whether it was Trump, whether it was Obama, whether it was Clinton, whether it was Bush. Every single White House has had a border issue and every single one has had to handle it the same way. By essentially going:

 

“We can’t let everybody in because it’s going to overwhelm us. You’re going to abide by the laws and if you don’t qualify for asylum, we’re going to send you back.”

 

And as soon as you start doing that, it alleviates the stress. This administration hasn’t done that yet.

 

Elon Musk: Okay. Of the sort of roughly two and a half million that processed illegals and then it’s maybe as much as twice double that or something. I don’t know.

 

Tony Gonzales: Double that.

 

Elon Musk: Call it like fourish million, maybe 5 million total processed and non-processed. How many of the four or 5 million illegal immigrants are sent back to their countries every year?

 

Tony Gonzales: I’ll give you an example. Here in Del Rio. Del Rio sector is one of nine sectors, okay. We’re getting over about 2,500 people coming over illegally a day and we are repatriating or sending zero back! Zero!

 

Elon Musk: Zero?

 

Tony Gonzales: Zero!

 

Elon Musk: Zero is quite a small number!

 

Tony Gonzales: Exactly! [chuckling]

 

Elon Musk: Okay. Just literally zero!

 

Tony Gonzalez: Zero!

 

Elon Musk: So basically there’s no repatriation?

 

Tony Gonzales: What is happening is, …

 

Elon Musk: This is insane!

 

Tony Gonzales: What is happening is at best they will send people to other parts of the border. That’s back to where the country of origin. That’s de Laredo or El Paso in worst case scenario, and I want to bring in the Mayor here. The worst case scenario is where they’re at. You bubble to a point where there’s nowhere else to send them. So what you end up doing is you release them into the street.

 

Imagine what that does to your local community. This is the Mayor of Eagle Pass.

 

Elon Musk: Hi, how you doing?

 

Tolando Salina: Tolando Salina, the Mayor of the city of Eagle Pass. And it’s been a rough, …

 

[26:50]

 

Elon Musk: Nice town.

 

Tolando Salina: Thank you.

 

Elon Musk: Yeah, just FYI, in case people are wondering whether Eagle Pass is like a rundown town, it’s actually really clean and nice. Just FYI.

 

Tolando Salina: Thank you so much!

 

We’re a city of 28,000 people, and we’ve had 19,000, …

 

Elon Musk: Sorry, maybe turn the camera, I suppose.

 

Tolando Salina: A city of 28,000 people.

 

We’ve had over 19,000 people in the last about ten days come in. So we don’t have the resources.

 

Elon Musk: Wait, more people are coming in by far, it’s exceeding the population of the town on a regular basis?

 

Tolando Salina: Absolutely! We don’t have the resources.

 

Tony Gonzales: Will you talk about the hospital?

 

Tolando Salina: Absolutely!

 

Tony Gonzales: I think that’s a piece that a lot of people are missing.

 

Tolando Salina: Eagle Pass has one hospital, so you have thousands of people visiting this hospital. People are getting frustrated. The safety is taking a toll. People can’t get medical care, our local constituents, because they’re treating people that are coming in from other countries.

 

Elon Musk: Yeah, there’s only so many doctors.

 

Tolando Salina: There’s only so many doctors. Only so much we can do. The thing is, they’re coming in without consequence, and the word gets out back to their countries:

 

“Hey, come to the US! Come to Eagle Pass!”

 

Come one, come all kind of situation. And it’s disappointing that we don’t have a reform or we can solve this issue.

 

Tony Gonzales: The other thing about this too Elon, is it should not be a partisan issue. I get it. The politics in it,

 

Elon Musk: Yeah, there’s certainly a temptation to make it a partisan issue.

 

Tony Gonzales: 100%!

 

But this is across the board. I don’t care if you’re a D, an R, if you vote, don’t vote, urban America, rural America, everybody’s impacted the same way. When the crisis hits your town, it’s like a hurricane. When a hurricane hits you, everybody gets washed out, and it’s no different.

 

So I think there’s an opportunity here if we can message it in a manner, … This is about solutions. Hey, I get the finger pointing. It’s easy to say why we got here. It’s like, how do we just get out of here? And I think there are some real tangible solutions.

 

Elon Musk: Okay, so I guess the first part of this video, and I’ll take a minute to upload it once it’s done sure. Is just to frame the problem so American people understand the magnitude of the problem, how quickly it is growing, and that there is basically no solution currently being implemented.

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes.

 

[28:57]

 

Elon Musk: Okay. And just to understand. You were telling me sometimes people coming through, they have gang tattoos, and they have the tear tattoo on the part. I’m not sure. Maybe everyone knows what tattooing a tear on your face means.

 

Tony Gonzales: It’s not good!

 

Elon Musk: It’s not good!

 

Tony Gonzales: I visited the facility here in Eagle Pass on Monday, and there was a guy that had face and neck tattoos, hand tattoos, and he had teardrops.

 

Elon Musk: A teardrop is when you kill someone.

 

Tony Gonzales: When you kill someone, and then you wear it as like a, …

 

Elon Musk: As a badge of pride! You’re actually happy that you’ve killed someone, and you want people to know it.

 

Tony Gonzales: Right!

 

Elon Musk: And when someone like that comes through and they say they’re an asylum seeker, what do we do?

 

Tony Gonzales: So I’m in there, and I asked the Border Patrol chief, …

 

Elon Musk: We’re talking about, basically a serial murderer.

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes. Because he has multiple, …

 

Elon Musk: A serial murderer and proud of it!

 

Tony Gonzales: Yes. This is not somebody you want baby-sitting, …

 

Elon Musk: Not subtle.

 

Tony Gonzales: No, not at all!

 

And so when I asked the Border Patrol chief, I go:

 

“Hey, what’s up with this guy?”

 

And he asked him in Spanish, he goes:

 

“Hey, have you ever been arrested before?”

 

He goes:

 

“Oh, of course not.”

 

And he’s like:

 

“No, no! I’ve never been arrested.”

 

And so what the Border Patrol chief said, he goes, we do not have records from people from Venezuela.

So we can’t track. Unless they were arrested in the United States we really don’t know who some of these actors are. Many people you’ll see are fleeing poverty. I get that.

 

Elon Musk: Sure.

 

Tony Gonzales: But there are others that are fleeing incarceration.

 

Elon Musk: Yes, we are basically, it seems like the place where you can go to get away from the law.

 

Tony Gonzales: Yeah.

 

Elon Musk: Okay, well, I think with that, I see kind of a group over there that’s coming in. So I don’t know if you could really see it. I’ll try to switch it around.

 

Well, I can’t really switch around.

 

So anyway, that’s like, I don’t know if you can sort of see that group, but that’s a group there.

 

[Elon’s recording just ends here.]

 

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(Comments as of 9/30/2023 = 244)

@wenyulian9584
21 hours ago
It got to be stopped! 100% agree with Elon.
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@rogerstarkey5390
15 hours ago
Got to be CHANGED.
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@user-vv4om8cd6r
21 hours ago
So Elon is doing what our President and Vice President won’t do – seeing the border for himself and asking intelligent questions.
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@rampz826
21 hours ago (edited)
Not a good idea when he owns Tesla and we are depending on it for our future. I want people who have a high following to speak on certain topics and if I wasn’t investing in Tesla I would be supporting him for this but he’s gonna get himself canceled
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@plantstho6599
19 hours ago
Vote Musk
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@ULTRAPRAGMATIST-gd2se
17 hours ago
Too bad his hats on backwards
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@mathijs9365
15 hours ago
Sorry. Elon is not the Messiah.

@stacywalker
15 hours ago (edited)
@rampz826 he can’t get canceled when he owns his own social media, space company, tech/car company, digging company, brain chip company, and now new Ai company. Too many ways for him to stay relevant and important to be canceled
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@yehimstone5492
14 hours ago
​ @rampz826 Elon is gaining 76 million conservative fans
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@ken-mb5cp
8 hours ago
@mathijs9365 No one said he was.

@rayarias7127
8 hours ago
@rampz826 do you really think that Elon has to be in the Factories 24/7 for business continue? Since you are an investor, be patience, or you just want result now, now? If you are, better get off investing in the stock market.

@rampz826
8 hours ago
@rayarias7127 I’m not saying he has to be in the factory 24/7 im saying him getting Involved in politics will get him canceled .. learn to read before you speak

@rampz826
8 hours ago
@stacywalker yes he can people would just stop using his companies and they will go bust

@rampz826
6 hours ago
@rayarias7127 someone called mehdi Hassan is literally trying to get Elon musk canceled over offensive tweets as we speak I’ve just saw it then so you were wrong

@sarahsalter530
6 hours ago
@ULTRAPRAGMATIST-gd2se maybe he prefers that way

@stacywalker
6 hours ago (edited)
@rampz826 do you think people think like social media In Real life? You can’t simply stop using his satellite internet Starlink in rural areas, or his rockets for payload to NASA, or his cars (because they are still the best EVs) the world doesn’t just revolve around “social outrage” people have a need for products even if they don’t like the CEO
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@CC-yr2nx
21 hours ago
Elon is fantastic. The courage it takes to do this is incredible! Bravo!!!
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@54woodsgirl
9 hours ago
He cares. About usa. About people. Everything

@ken-mb5cp
9 hours ago (edited)
@54woodsgirl He should go talk to the immigrants as well. Most are probably good people. With bodyguards of course.

@54woodsgirl
9 hours ago
We’re a nation of laws and we need to be following our laws, so yes, I’m sure Elaine would be happy to talk to the immigrants, but the law still needs to be followed and it’s not

@ken-mb5cp
8 hours ago
@54woodsgirl Sure we need to weed out the bad ones.

@bobbyvu9083
19 hours ago
I can’t believe that any ordinary people could hate Elon.
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@engr_e
3 hours ago
You said the key word….Ordinary. The haters are npcs.

@user-fg7kq8gk9e
20 hours ago
Matt, thanks for showing this important video. It’s good that Elon showed this and asked questions and clarified his understanding for the audience watching. This is not and should not be a partisan issue and needs to be resolved in a non-partisan way. The sooner the better!
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@mikegagnon1
20 hours ago
I cannot believe how amazing Elon is.
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@ibberman
19 hours ago (edited)
He’s way too gentle on the numbers. Talk to Victor Davis Hanson.
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@ULTRAPRAGMATIST-gd2se
17 hours ago
VDH rules
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@clydedeloach9066
19 hours ago
Matt, Thanks for distributing this investigative inquiry by Elon Musk. It is both disturbing and informative at the same time.
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@rodneypayne9516
21 hours ago
Raw, live truth, so refreshing to see first hand, no agenda, no editing, no narrative.
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@mikef888au1
18 hours ago
BRAVO! Telling the truth and 100% transparency.
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@ThailandTerry2024
20 hours ago
Too bad Elon is foreign born. He’s a multi-corporation CEO and he could easily run this country. Musk love for America is well documented as well as professed. Musk believes in democracy and in America’s positive future …
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@cherylnagy126
12 hours ago
Elon for Governor of New York

@ken-mb5cp
8 hours ago
When someone asked him if he could be president he said “not officially”.

@cherylnagy126
8 hours ago

@leonardsensui7835
20 hours ago
Thank you Matt for your great effort to provide valuable information tp your viewers!
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@tomdarling8358
20 hours ago
I love Elon! Recognize the problem and apply first principles. Unfortunately, I see this as just the beginning of the migration issues. The storms are becoming bigger they show up more often. Earthquakes destroying places that have survived for thousands of years Gone of flat… Fires ripping rapid like never seen before. Hurricanes tsunami’s, it’s all coming. Bigger, stronger, more frequent than ever before.. For every degree of temperature increase.
How much more does it multiply the odds of a major storm? Parts of the florida keys at 101 degrees. What fish. Pesticides and chemicals in our water. Wonder why so many people have cancer. I don’t mean to be the preacher of doom and gloom, but I have a feeling it’s going to get worse. Millions and millions of people are going to try and make their way here. They see us as some sort of sanctuary in a world of chaos. Good or bad actors, everyone should have to check in. Does anybody remember what it says at the bottom of the statue of liberty? Army corps of engineers better get their shit together. There are waves of people coming. Hundreds of millions… So far, it’s just been a trickle.. .. . Thank you, Elon, for taking us along for the ride.
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@jamesmarshall3311
13 hours ago
Europe is being deluged in the same way. Any advanced Western country is feeling the same heat.
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@ken-mb5cp
8 hours ago
Chill out. Take a walk.

@daninspires
20 hours ago
What will work… is to help make the economy better for the countries where immigrants are coming from!
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@vincentdeleonjr1039
18 hours ago
thank you Elon for being you
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@williamschaefer4462
22 hours ago
Go Elon!!!
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@teslanewstonight
14 hours ago
This is absolutely incredible. The change is happening. Elon is leading the charge.
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@ken-mb5cp
8 hours ago (edited)
Change to what? This is because of economic inequality. These people are desperate and have nothing to lose. Just try to weed out the bad ones. Good for Elon to go there.

@mikeford3859
3 hours ago
Elon has done some pretty incredible things. Hope he can make a difference with this situation.
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@olegprytula2881
21 hours ago
Elon will come and put things in order
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@tedmoss
21 hours ago
No, he will draw attention to the problem, it is up to the voters to solve the problem.
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@AztecAryan
19 hours ago
​ @tedmoss as if we have the power to do that

@olegprytula2881
18 hours ago (edited)
@tedmoss The voters has choice:
Who is first
Creator Entrepreneur or politician parasite
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@vincentcorreia5714
19 hours ago
I would emigrate legally if the USA would make it easier. I would contribute and currently work hard
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@stacywalker
15 hours ago
That’s part of the problem. Yes, it should be easier. 5 years tops for first time people (some people wait 20 years)
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@Vagabond-Sanctuary
12 hours ago
Many Americans feel the same about the opposite.
Every country has requirements.
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@ken-mb5cp
8 hours ago
@Vagabond-Sanctuary The grass is always greener…

@michaelDsherman
6 hours ago
Guy wasn’t even elected to office and has done way more for this country than most politicians
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@rayarias7127
9 hours ago
Thank 6OU Matt, this is a great eye opening video that SHOULD BE WATCHED by everyone in America. And we still have another year of this crap to follow trill the hopefully a better administration that will address the problem and looks for solutions.
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@ken-mb5cp
8 hours ago
Let’s get a moderate sane candidate. Not Trump or Biden.

@goodbooks5134
12 hours ago
It took me over 10 years to go through the process to come to America… I thank God for that and love this land of opportunity! I noticed some of those (not all) who came to America without going through the process say how bad America is… which doesn’t make any sense.
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@davemilke3110
20 hours ago
Clarity about the US/MEX where I would have least expected it. WOW!
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@Betrue875
11 hours ago (edited)
I don’t want to turn MP’s youtube channel into a political discussion, but I applaud Elon for wanting to visit the border and give a unadulterated description of the truth of how bad things are under this administration. Crime in communities that never had crime before is on the rise at an alarming rate. It is an undeclared war agains America!
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@jimfischman-xg4qw
19 hours ago
VOTE: Only way to solve these issues, do it in person.
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@poker4400
14 hours ago
I’ve always said it’s illegal to hire Illegals. Yet farmers, hotel chains, construction companies, etc. Hire them every day. Why do they not get in trouble for this??? They would not be here if the money wasn’t available.
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@tom19482001
3 hours ago
This is the most informative coverage I have ever seen about the crisis at the southern border. I hope the government will change its policies right away so that we can stop the flow of illegal immigration and start allowing legal immigrants into our country. Thank you Matt, for posting this video.

@bobbygilstrap9221
21 hours ago
That’s awesome, watching
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@brianreinicke9490
11 hours ago
Great video! I searched and everyone else only has tiny, tiny fraction of Elon’s live stream.
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@user-mi3pv7ql4g
21 hours ago
Fine the people that pay illegals.Make the fine very high for anyone – any company that pays them. No job, no money, no come here. But who is used the cheap labor?
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@takenoshortcuts
19 hours ago
Put on their shoes

@54woodsgirl
9 hours ago
Elon. Awesome of you to do this
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@0n1r0t
18 hours ago
That’s complete madness. How is the local community/county feeding them? That’s a lot of mouth to feed. Best temporary solution is to set them up in an open land and make them cultivate the land and plant food and raise chickens.
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@larropowell3658
8 hours ago
And Elon talks about a population decreasing problem. Across the planet.

@danbelainsky1650
20 hours ago
WTF did i just watch … LOVE IT!
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@luluh1154
12 hours ago
He is so generous, he will let in that ONE

@MrAlanfalk73
15 hours ago
This is how a civilisation collapses !
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@juanabosch7827
10 hours ago
ELON LUCHA POR IMIGRANTE HACIA UN FUTURO MEJOR…

@JG-fi8sq
7 hours ago
Savage said it years ago, “Borders, Laungage, Culture”. Im concerned for my grandchildrens future.

@svenderikelgaard4727
13 hours ago
Hi Elon. Great topic. try landscape video next time. you have a big head covering what you want to show
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@michelangelobuonarroti916
19 hours ago
Why didn’t he bring someone who knows how to take video.
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@teslanewstonight
14 hours ago
He didn’t ask me.

@davdin2
21 hours ago
Elon should know landscape. He also needs an i phome 15.
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@Cybertruck1000
21 hours ago
Can we club together and get him a selfie stick?
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@jeffharrison6059
20 hours ago
I think Periscope is only portrait.

@zdme4864
20 hours ago
yes turn the phone to landscape elon!

@ULTRAPRAGMATIST-gd2se
17 hours ago
Too bad his hats on backwards
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@juanabosch7827
10 hours ago
ELONGACIÓN HACÍA UN FUTURO MEJOR

@chraismew
12 hours ago
Please fly over to Europe as well while you’re at it
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@cherylnagy126
13 hours ago (edited)
rather than antifa black, I prefer Royal Purple, Burgundy Red, Midnight Blue (rock that hat in one of those colors, would be amazing)

@SportsbookAssassin15
7 hours ago
ALL HAIL MEGA MUSK.

@georgelewis8831
18 hours ago
They should limit residency to certain states so no state has too many. They should fingerprint so we know if certain states are sending them to other states and charge those states for the costs
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@lasvegasbound6167
20 hours ago
Help, please, Elon. Tell them that THEIR jobs are in MEXICO. Some place called ‘Nuevo Laredo’ or something.
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@rampz826
21 hours ago
I like how someone of his social status speaks on certain subjects however he could get himself canceled so I think he needs to stay out of politics because he could ruin our future retirements
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@yehimstone5492
14 hours ago
Elon is gaining 76 million conservative Americans

@janewoodhouse9688
11 hours ago
Lyrics
I wake from a fever dream
The room is just a little darker
Than it seemed before
I lived a lifetime in between
But everything I’d seen was just a dream
They say it happens for a reason
But consider the source
Consider the source
Evil prevails
Good men do nothing
Evil prevails
Good men do nothing
The train derails
Good men do nothing
The system fails
Good men do nothing
We live in the trees
We live on our knees
We live in the shadows
You live in denial
We live in the trees
We live on our knees
We live in the shadows
You live in denial
Evil prevails
Good men do nothing
Evil prevails
Good men do nothing
The train derails
Good men do nothing
The system fails

@f1al373
12 hours ago
I’m sure the politician’s will edit this video and depending on where they are red or blue portray what they want to portray.

@takenoshortcuts
19 hours ago
Thanks for sharing. Otherwise I may not have seen it
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@leahc5224
8 hours ago
Why do they need anyone at the border if everyone is just let in anyway?

@michaelm.a.9806
5 hours ago
Without finding the root cause of this it will continue.

@terryvanderhoeven2148
18 hours ago
Dam, I thought we had problems in New Zealand.
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@Ajinomoto619
10 hours ago
The navy gave me opportunity to become a legal american citizen, I did my 20 years in the military but these prople just walk accross the border and they are set with medical/shelter/food.

@wonton120
20 hours ago
Don’t you think this is a joke, for this simple problem, why we couldn’t solve it for so long?
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@lillysgrandmaable
18 hours ago
ELON !! WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN ? SO MANY WERE FOUND ALONE.
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@yehimstone5492
13 hours ago
Arrest the traffickers

@cohenkevinloriqueen818
4 hours ago
Elon is the Bomb….

@MrAlanfalk73
15 hours ago
Independent journalism doing what mainstream wont (unless the president is named Trump!).
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@GregoryHelberg
6 hours ago
Their job is to protect the country, just act on your own accord.. who will come make you let them in.. just start turning them around, shut down the train.

@pitech4446
20 hours ago
ELon needs to lose some weight man, his guts is coming out. We need him to be healthy for real
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@johnarchbold2262
20 hours ago
make mexico a state,,,, then a much smaller border!!!
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@davemilke3110
20 hours ago
Never heard that before, worth consideration for its worth.
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@lasvegasbound6167
20 hours ago
Just the ‘Mecheladora region, at most.
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@THEKFX700KID
12 hours ago (edited)
Come on Elon…. Your a billionaire and you can’t find a person with a camera to film this with you? Lol or at least hold you phone sideways so we get a full screen picture…. Anyway thanks for trying and doing what you do…
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@ericdelevinquiere9902
2 hours ago
Elon for president!

@nunung-ew3ip
15 hours ago
Will you work as a freelance reporter?

@acs2777
16 hours ago (edited)
Optimus activated . T9 intercept the organic life forms . Ps Elon for president of humanoids and humans !
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@omqbrown9041
13 hours ago
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@Cody-hx1uq
21 hours ago
Starlink… deal! Deal!

@zdme4864
20 hours ago
CONSEQUENCES!
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@nunung-ew3ip
15 hours ago
People born outside Amerika cannot be officials?????

@ffyy88
20 hours ago
Elon becoming journalist?
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@davemilke3110
20 hours ago
Real journalist.
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@davidking417
7 hours ago
Elon please help

@nilukadilrukshi6684
8 hours ago
මම එනවා elo Mus ලගදිම එනවා

@RoschetzkyPhotography
7 hours ago
Elon should just be president –

@Shin-z
19 hours ago
Elon for president !!
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@mwolrich
17 hours ago
If he wasn’t CEO of 6 companies, he could be, but he wasn’t born here, so doesn’t qualify
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@yehimstone5492
13 hours ago
​@mwolrich that didn’t prevent Kenyan born obummer

@juantroncoso1
7 hours ago
Dont you be suppost to be working on my Tesla stock ?
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@user-rx9rh1mq4o
19 hours ago
No elon should stay out of politics…but if this is a ploy to get conservative on your side ..i see your point…cybertruck is coming out and you need to get some of those ford f150 conservative on your side
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@yehimstone5492
13 hours ago (edited)
I’ve voted republican since I voted for Reagan in 1980. I voted president Trump twice and will vote president Trump 2024. Yes I do have a cybertruck reservation.
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@user-rx9rh1mq4o
11 hours ago (edited)
@yehimstone5492 yes its working..I do think elon is playing a 3d chess..Elon knows he needs to get more conservative to just give his product a try and some will like it..I have stock in tesla,,…I suggest you buy some

@fix-hb1561
21 hours ago
Wow! Completely Wrong,
Gov Broken.
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@philipmartin3075
21 hours ago
Bobby Kennedy Jr. for president!!!!
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@majerovi
21 hours ago
america need a working visa
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@RandomTask-hf6ek
6 hours ago
Why bus them…. when you can shoot them to the Moon??
Anyone for Moon street tacos ??

@Keyprinciples9
18 hours ago
Migrant warfare.
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@mack3354
1 hour ago
scary stuff

@rwhirsch
16 hours ago
oh my my…the liberal media’s not going to like this…i hope elon is prepared for the backlash (humor).
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@tenpattt777
19 hours ago
Elon kick out all man’s Keep the ladies

@garnettsand7418
6 hours ago
go wide angle

@cleanitup_pls7893
7 hours ago
Oversimplification of the problem by Elon is not going to help. However, best to start somewhere

@lilfairycupcake
15 hours ago
it just seem odd that musk would go out of his way for such a thing?

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@kazs.7403
8 hours ago (edited)
other immigrant has to pay to come over here USA each immigrants peoples should paying while working under provisions and checking background crime history medical records. all immigrants philippines citizens folks paid to come here with my parents.. yay right we all paying their stay here without paying wow i’ll be broke in years or maybe less you only care Mexican peoples, you got free food stamps good jobs.
hon careful

@hedwegg
20 hours ago
To the Point: (a) You’re paid to follow the law! (b) You took an Oath!
(c) You’re not following the Law! Lawlessness “rules”! We follow the Rules.It’s Orders!
Otherwise, No paycheck! No job!”Diminished Capacity””Emotionally & Mentally”!
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@jeffhidalgo8457
9 hours ago
Why is Elon there? He is a bit insulated from the river crossing immigrants experience.

@willinguyen1
19 hours ago
Cheap to just rip off another video onto your channel. Big turn off.
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@hedwegg
20 hours ago (edited)
[Diminished Capacity]from the [Top]to the [Bottom]. Foot Soldiers!
What remains?[Starlink & Drones]!All for [American Values & Technology]!
To DiluteTo Diminishare not [Values]!”In God we Trust”!
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@mb90821
21 hours ago
Vivek or Trump. I would prefer Vivek but Trump can solve the problem.
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@roxter299roxter7
21 hours ago
You must be kidding!
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@rogerstarkey5390
15 hours ago
Vivek “climate hoax” Ramaswamy?
Or
Donny “EVs bad” Trump?
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@sonnynim1212
17 hours ago
Good effort Elon, but this is not your fight. Now get the hell out of there and get back to work at Telsa. I’m still waiting for my Cybertruck.
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@mwolrich
17 hours ago
Then whose fight is it? Elon will bring a large amount of attention to the issue, that the politicians, in an election year will find very difficult to ignore
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@RichardPeterShon
22 hours ago
Id suggest that you dampen this vid. There are things we need to help Elon by temp stopping some news that he posts that are too political
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@tedmoss
21 hours ago
So you are afraid of being a person? You are going to tell me or anybody what they can think or say?
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@willinguyen1
20 hours ago
How is that helping him? It’s his video

@MrGchernetz
13 hours ago
Elon should stick to what he does best build the industries to make America lead. If he wants to stick his nose in the Immigration issue then run for office otherwise BUD OUT. If he wants to fix the problem he could pay for increased sites where these poor human Beings can be processed to be able to work in the USA especially at Elon’s factories.
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@truefreedom9308
14 hours ago
Love you Elon.
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Mark Collett: Good evening everybody and hello and welcome to tonight’s book club. And tonight we are here live on Odyssey, live on DLive, and live on Radio Albion.com. And we are reviewing The Camp of the Saints.

 

Now this is a very, very famous book. And it’s, it’s not just famous because of its content, but it’s famous because of the people who read it, the people who were influenced by it. One of whom was Trump’s original strategist in the 2016 campaign, Steve Bannon. It’s one of these books as many have helped inform his opinions.

 

Now, as I said, we are live on Odyssey, DLive and Radio Albion.com. And tonight’s going to be an interesting stream. Hopefully people will have read the book. And remember, if you haven’t read the book, you can get it for free. It’s very, very expensive if you’re looking for a physical copy in English.

 

But there is a PDF copy and a full audio book up on my Telegram channel so basically you can get them from there. I know not everyone likes reading a PDF off a screen, but certainly I can’t see any problem with anybody reading the listening to the audiobook.

 

So if you have enjoyed this book and if you want to contribute to the stream in some way, you can do. And you can contribute to the stream by sending donations or questions either through Entropy, through Odyssey. Well, there are the only two ways. Any paid donation is gratefully received and will read out the comments live on air.

 

And if you write non-paid questions through Entropy, we will also deal with those if we’ve got time. And as this is the book club, it’s one of our smallest streams, it’s not one of the biggest streams we do, there usually is time for some of those.

 

So please let me know your thoughts as well, and we’ll take your feedback.

 

Now, as I said, this book is one of those very famous books. It’s one of those books that liberals really, really hate. And I actually found this a particularly interesting book for several reasons.

 

And one of those was because I’m actually a big fan of sort of monster or horror films. And I actually found that this book was structured a little like a monster or horror film, because most of the book is about this impending doom! It’s about this flotilla or fleet of beat up old vessels bringing migrants to France. And it’s about the way the nation reacts to that impending horror, and about how a nation decides to either defend their borders or to let in a large group of people.

 

Now this book was written in 1973. So many people would think it was quite prophetic. And some of the things in the book are some of them might be a little off, however, and we’re going to discuss all of that tonight.

 

Sadly, the author of this book is not on the show because he’s actually passed away, so he couldn’t be here even if he wanted to. So if anyone’s wondering why we haven’t got the author, we usually have the author, but obviously that would not be possible in this case.

 

Now, I did say there isn’t an English translation readily available for purchase, but that is something that Claymore Books is working on.

 

So if you are a fan of this book, please, please do either wait for that or get the audio or PDF copies free from my Telegram.

 

Now, we’ll start by going around the group. And we will begin with Natty. Natty, how are you doing, my friend? Did you have a good Christmas? Obviously we didn’t do a book club last month. Did you enjoy this book? What were your thoughts about this book and did you enjoy it?

 

[03:58]

 

Natty: Hi, guys. Yes, thank you, Mark. I had a wonderful Christmas. Very nice, cozy, family orientated Christmas. I’ve also just got back from a week on holiday as well, which let me listen to this book.

 

Going back to what you said quickly, before I give my thoughts on the book, I did actually look for a hard copy and I thought I’d brought a hard copy for about £17 off Amazon. Little did I know when it turned up it was the French language copy, which is relatively cheap and easy to buy.

 

However, like you said, the English copy, if you want to buy it, the only copies I could find were somewhere between 160 and £240. So any of our publishers who are going to publish this book I think is going to be worthwhile.

 

However, the copy I listened to, and I think the one you posted, is one Alex Linder from Vanguard Audio and it’s very well read and he interjects with fairly decent notes. He’s one of our guys. He understands the politics, as I think most of us do.

 

However, I think is something Sally is going to allude to, he does get some of the French words butchered to pieces, I guess, because he’s an American. So it makes for an interesting listen. But it is very well read by him and he does put the correct emphasis where it should be. He talks about if he has to make notes about it, he will. So it’s a very good audio book. If anyone wants to read it, I’m sure I’ll post a link at the end or I’m sure you’re going to post it.

 

As to the substance of the book. There’s a lot to like, and I think there’s a few glaring omissions which I’m sure we’re going to cover. I actually read this book three or four years ago and it was part of my red-pill journey, if you like.

 

But reading it again, it’s quite interesting the way you say it kind of reads as like a monster movie. You’re right. Kind of like a Sci-Fi book from the time, like a Robert Heinlein almost with this fleet that Jean Raspail, he kind of takes away the humanity of the fleet, if that makes sense. And these 800,000 Indians just become this one amorphous like blob in the book, of this evil intent that’s coming to the West to destroy it.

 

So it’s quite interesting. And the reactions of the people who are supposed to be in charge, and and how prescient it was, considering it was written in the 70s. As I was reading it you have to keep reminding yourself that this isn’t a book that was written two or three years ago when the migrant boats were crossing not just the English Channel, but the Mediterranean as well. But actually way before any of that happened, before the fall of Libya, and the killing of Gaddafi, which spurred that on. Raspail apparently had a vision of this happening and put it into this book almost 40 years ago, 45 years ago now.

 

So it’s crazy. It’s crazy that this book predicted so much and gets so much right. But like I said, there is one especially glaring emission, but I’m sure we’ll get to that.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, you keep saying that you see, I thought the glaring error was that fundamentally it has the people coming from India. He foresees this giant mass of people moving from the Indian subcontinent.

 

Whereas I think anyone writing this book today would have basically said it was a mix of people probably from the Middle East and Africa, flowing through North Africa, and they would be coming over sort of on a flotilla of sort of endless stream of small boats. That was, to me, the only thing that he seemed to really miss the mark on. But obviously he was predicting this at a different time. Anyway, we’ll get into that later.

 

And I do want to structure this one a bit more because I want to analyze sort of him as a prophetic character. I want to analyze the book in terms of its sort of power and whether people enjoyed it, but also the fact that I do find it to be written in a very, … Usually books are written as there’s a giant happening taking place. And that might be a world-wide happening, a nationwide or sometimes even sort of a galaxy spanning happening. But the story seems to zero in on individuals that do great things and change the course of that sort of nation, world, or galaxy spanning event like Star Wars. It centres in on Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, princess Leia and it tells their story.

 

Whereas I felt this always felt quite backed away. It didn’t deal with these micro plots and human side of things. It dealt with major national changes from a distance, which I found a very, very interesting way to write a book. But we can discuss that later.

 

Anyway, let’s move on to Aunt Sally. How are you doing Aunt Sally? Did you have a good Christmas. And what were your initial impressions of the book? Did you like it?

 

[09:48]

 

Aunt Sally: Hi, Mark. Hi, everybody. Yes, I did have a good Christmas. As far as the book goes, no, I hate it! I brutally hated it! I thought I’d waste hours of my life listening to it. It’s the first audio book I’ve ever listened to. So that was very much a different thing for me because I’m used to reading things, and when I don’t understand, I can turn back a few pages and go back and recap on what I’ve just read and make sense of it.

 

But with the audio, if I press rewind, it took me back to the beginning. It just didn’t didn’t work for me. So I didn’t like the audio. I didn’t really like the book at all. Sorry. Horrible! I wasted my life. 10 hours or something. [Natty chuckling] I tell you how bad it was for me, but quite often I listen to it in the bath and where it’s been cold. I get in the bath for about an hour. It’s the warmest place in the house. And I fell asleep virtually every time I was listening to it. And then I had to listen to it again in case I missed anything.

 

And what you said you liked the way it was structured. I hated the way it was structured! It was all over the place! It starts at the end, really, and it jumps. What you said about a horror film, because to me, that’s what I’ve written in my notes. It’s almost like a storyboard, like he expected it to be made into a movie or something. Or maybe he hoped that, I don’t know. But no, it’s been torture! Hated it. Horrible book. Horrible! Maybe it’s because I’m a woman and I’m playing girl card. It’s horrible.

 

Mark Collett: Do you think it was a bit dystopian Sci-Fi for you, Sally?

 

Aunt Sally: I like sci-fi. All my favourite movies are Sci-Fi. So no, it’s just trying to work out where the story is. 1 minute it’s in a press office, and another minute it’s on the ship. Each little batch of chapters that I listened to, I’m trying to work out where they are. It just didn’t grab me at all!

 

Mark Collett: Natty, if it didn’t grab Sally, what made it grab you?

 

Natty: Well, even as I was reading it, I thought Sally was going to hate it, but for other reasons. Although, Sally, you did say in our private chat that it was kind of very blokey, very male orientated. And I do understand what you’re saying, but as Mark said, it takes this great big event, this world changing event, and it tries to, I don’t know, have this snapshot of the I don’t know. It happens over the course of about a month or two months, and then it especially Zooms in on the last two or three days where the fleet actually arrives was Off the coast of southern France.

 

The focusing, the chopping and changing and going between different characters. And I think probably there’s five or six areas or characters and geographical locations. There’s a couple in Paris who are also towards the end, there’s an Arabic kind of crime lord, or community leader.

 

There’s the press stuff, which is quite interesting because you’ve got this old dinosaur Right-wing press guy or Right-wing in quotation marks who has almost zero circulation, whereas the direction of travel for every other press and newspaper and radio personality is very liberal, very progressive, very anti-racist. And this guy is kind of struggling against the tide.

 

You’ve got the old man on the coast. So what’s this, three plot-lines so far? The old man on the coast, who has a house in Provence, who watches his fleet, arrives and knows that his house and his village is just going to get destroyed by these people.

 

And then towards the end, there’s also the colonel of the army and the glorious last stand, which definitely is very male orientated.

 

I think Jean Raspail in his notes said that he didn’t want to let the West win at the end. He wanted it to be the disaster that he wrote about and he wanted it to, I don’t know, as a kind of shock as to make us think this could happen, the way everything structured, the way our leaders are, the way the Churches, this could absolutely happen.

 

And he wanted to deny victory for the old kind of knightly or elite ways of the West, which would have saved us. So instead he gave these six or seven men a glorious last stand. And I think they end up getting bombed by French fighter jets at the end and dying. Which is, maybe that’s a male fantasy of these guys who cling cling fast to their ideals right to the end in the face of this new, diverse, anti-racist Europe which swallows up everything.

 

And it’s not just France, it’s the rest of the world too.

 

However, coming back, the reason I thought you’d hate it is because the way I read it, it seemed to be attacking the Church pretty heavily. And I know that’s one of the things that you’re not a fan of so I don’t know what Jean Raspail thought about that. But as I was reading it, this is something that’s Sally was really, really going to hate. Yeah, sorry, go on, go on, Sally.

 

[15:49]

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah, as far as the Church goes, I would attack the Church as. Well, I mean, I’m no fan of the Church. Just because I’m a Christian doesn’t mean that I’m a fan of the Church. The church, all the Churches are apostate religions as far as I’m concerned. I’m a Christian, I’m a born again believer. So the Church is the last, … You wouldn’t get anyone further from I mean, I think what I was yeah, …

 

Natty: What I meant to say was it poured scorn on the Church and Christianity whilst ignoring [chuckling] another religion, which is why I thought maybe you wouldn’t like it. Or you would have seen through that and been pretty disappointed, or hated the book for that reason. Or hated the content of a book for that reason.

 

Aunt Sally: It’s funny because you’re right, he doesn’t mention the other religion. One presupposes reading it that the people, these Ganges, he calls them the Ganges refugees, that they’re all Hindu. I don’t know why I thought that, but that’s the only religion that I saw mentioned briefly. The other one wasn’t mentioned at all, was it?

 

Natty: No, not at all. I got that in my notes, but I’ll throw it back to Mark.

 

Mark Collett: He certainly didn’t mention a specific (((ethnic group))) that seems to be very intent on opening borders for others, whilst keeping their own borders closed, if that’s what you’re talking about. And I think that’s because of the very, very strict laws in France about mentioning those people in any respect.

 

So that might be where, …

 

Aunt Sally: We were talking about the religion of, sorry, Mark, we were talking about the “Religion of Peace” [Islam]. That one.

 

Natty: No, I wasn’t talking about who he was talking about.

 

Mark Collett: Yeah, that’s the reason why France has a very, very strict code of conduct when it comes to that kind of thing, and Jean Le Penn found that out.

 

So the way I read this book, and I do think, as I said, there were characters in it, but I never felt any of them were really fleshed out. I never felt you went on sort of a hero’s journey, or a villain’s journey for that matter. I never felt there was a decisive clash.

 

And I find that very interesting because when you read books, as I said, there’s often something happening on a macro level, but the book then focuses in on the micro level and how decisions by a number of hero characters change the course of history.

 

And I didn’t really find any heroes in this. There were people who wanted to stop this, but none of them were successful. There was the usual politicians who, despite people’s fears, did nothing about it and constantly talked about how this was actually going to make France a better place. I also thought that was interesting. It was almost like this guy, as I said, he was very, very prophetic.

 

And that is something I want to talk about because he predicted vast numbers of people coming to Europe, and I’ll take this from the Wikipedia, because this is very, very interesting. The migrants land in southern France and make their way north, and this is sort of an excerpt from the Wikipedia. It says:

 

“The immigrants make their way north, having no desire to assimilate to French culture, but continuing to demand a first world standard of living even as they flout laws, do not produce and murder French citizens, such as factory bosses, and shopkeepers, as well as the ordinary people who do not welcome them.

They are also joined by immigrants who already reside in Europe, as well as various Left-wing and anarchist groups across the West. More and more migrants arrive and have children rapidly growing to outnumber Whites. In a matter of months the White west has been overrun and pro-immigrant governments have been established while White people are ordered to share their houses and flats with immigrants.”

 

I’ve got to say that, …

 

Natty: Considering that was written in the 70s!

 

Mark Collett: I think the only thing at that point that he gets wrong is this happens over the course of months. And that might just be because he has to write a book, not a 40 part series. And obviously what we’re seeing isn’t taking place over months, it’s taking place over years. But it is the same thing.

 

But when you read that, and that is just the Wikipedia plot summary, so I’m not saying that’s equivalent to reading the book. But what I am saying is that little snapshot there is so on the money! And when I was born, I worked this out, I was born in 1980. And in 1980, Britain was around 95% White or White British. It was basically what we would describe as an ethno-state.

 

And if people had said to the average White Britain in 1980. Look, this is going to be the fate that White people will face by the 2020s, I don’t think many people would believe them. And this book was written in 1973. So a good seven years before I was born. So you would definitely be talking most Western European countries being easily 90% to 95%, maybe more, White. So this guy would you describe him as a prophet?

 

[21:39]

 

Natty: Well, he said, I think again, in the pre-book notes, or in his pre-word, he said it was almost like a vision that came to him. And I think one of the things to remember is, for whatever reason, and I’m sure more intelligent people will be able to drill down into this and know more about it than me, France seemed to be further along and more anti-racist, more accepting of the blacks from their former colonies in Africa than Britain was for whatever reason. Maybe they were 20 years ahead, 30 years ahead, whatever it was.

 

I mean, it’s all much of a likeness now, or maybe not, but certain their attitude was further along than we were. And I think probably for someone like Jean Raspail, who travelled to South America when he was little and travelled around and saw lots of different things and probably saw Paris. And as a writer, as a cultural contributor to kind of French writing, he probably had quite a good grasp on exactly how things would go down, which is why this book hit so hard, even though it was written way before anyone else could have said this was going to happen.

 

And for me, that makes it all the more jarring that the small hat tribe doesn’t get mentioned. He never once mentions kind of the jewish hands on the levers of power on the institutions. And I understand the reason why he can’t talk about that. But for anyone on, not the dissident Right, whatever you call it today, anyone who understands anything about the way politics works, reading this today, that’s one of the key takeaways one of the big omissions, big black holes in the middle of this book that kind of screams out to be filled.

 

He talks a lot about anarchists, and women’s libs, and lefties, and this kind of stuff, but absolutely no mention of jewish, …

 

[23:54]

 

Mark Collett: Well, that was another thing that got me. I don’t want to cut across you, but I was out at the big protest in Leeds at the weekend. I was obviously the final speaker at that protest because Patriotic Alternative, we were the ones who helped get that up and running. Wasn’t all us, but we certainly helped. And we brought the stage and everything.

 

And one thing that amazed me is at one point during that protest, or the rally, on that piece of common land, we were stood there and a group of Antifa charged across the road to attack us. Now, they were repelled by a mixture of football lads and locals who had come out, who actually gave the Antifa a bit of a hiding.

 

But then the police actually arrested the Antifa, and I think it was four or five of them actually were arrested. And the police immediately raised a dispersal order for anybody who wasn’t a nationalist, which is very interesting, certainly went in our favour on the day.

 

But one thing I find really, really interesting about this novel is that he linked all of these things together. And I was there, obviously, on Saturday. Behind me was a hotel filled with migrants, and there on their side were these anarchists, these Leftists, these anti-fascists. And I was speaking to young girls, to men, to women, in the area who were telling me about how they knew people who had been accosted, menaced, basically threatened by the migrants.

 

And there it was, these lefties defending them, defending their rights to be here. And to sort of put all of this together in 1973, I just find it pretty incredible! The whole book had lots of little bits in it that made me think this guy almost had a time machine [chuckling]!

 

So sorry, carry on Natty. That I just wanted to raise that point because this book was literally a snapshot of what he was saying was taking place in Leeds at the weekend!

 

Natty: Yeah, I totally agree. It’s going to be one thing that keeps coming up over and over again during this discussion is that he totally nails the way it is. And it would have been true five years ago. And I know that this book came to prominence, like you said, because I think Steve Bannon quoted it, or said it was part of his inspiration, and a lot of people read it after that.

 

Mark Collett: It was a book that when I was in the BNP, it was a book that was sold then and recommended then as well. It was known in dissident Right circles, but Bannon really pushed it into the stratosphere.

 

Natty: Yeah, well, that totally makes sense. But you’re right. Just like you said, this is on the eve of less than one day ago, you’re protesting potentially criminal migrants being housed in your neighbourhoods, and on their side of these Lefty anarchists, Antifa, whoever they are. And yet Jean Raspail writes exactly this situation, however many years ago it was.

 

And one of the vignettes, the kind of character interactions that happens towards the end of the book is this Lefty anarchist kind of faces off against the military forces that are on the coast. And he’s got a whole band of anarchist brigands who are just there to have fun and welcome these migrants. On the other side is this general, this colonel in the army, this Dragaris, I think he’s called, but he’s got a dwindling supply of men because they keep deserting and running away. But he’s pretty staunch and he’s pretty steadfast.

 

Mark Collett: But yeah, I just want to bring this up as well while you’re talking about the defense of the beaches. One thing I found really interesting in this, a lot of people in France are scared that this is going to happen. And I found this a wonderful sort of twist in the book that the French President basically orders the troops to go to the beaches. And you’re thinking, are they going to make a brave last stand?

 

But then he says:

 

“I will leave it down to every man’s conscience what they do.”

 

And instead, with that last twist, the President basically causes this mass desertion. And most of the army just throw their weapons down and run, don’t they?

 

Natty: Yeah, I guess it’s the start of the third act, and it’s alluded to throughout the rest of the book, but the eve before the migrants land. They’ve already beached the boats, but they’re waiting to come ashore on, I think it’s Easter Sunday. And everyone in France and everyone in the rest of the world because this event has triggered this kind of diverse uprising throughout the rest of the Western world. I think there’s demonstrations in London and New York.

 

So everyone’s tuned in to the President’s final message he’s going to give the country, although you don’t know it’s final, because it could have been that they could have pulled back from the brink. They could have stood up and blown these people away and gone and waged war on them. But like you said, he almost does it.

 

But then at the last, during his speech, he has this kind of change of heart where he says:

 

“I’m not going to order you to shoot them, it’s up to you.”

 

And because of this and because of this psychological experiment they carry out with the Navy, a few chapters previous, they realize that they can’t do it, they can’t shoot these poor unarmed people and these women and children who are storming up the beaches.

 

So you’re right, this triggers this waves of desertion. But one of the recurring themes throughout the book that’s kind of going maybe off topic here that we can get into I’m not sure if you guys have got notes on it, is the way that the fleet this horde of Hindus on the fleet is actually really violent, and uncaring, and unfeeling, and murders quite a few people on the docks as they’re boarding in India, on the crossing itself as this kind of this western fleet of do good rock bands and pope and all these other people try and board and give them supplies. They actually throw corpses over the side and beat one of the guys to death and all the rest of it.

 

But this is all hidden by the media because they don’t want the French people or the European people to see that this supposed poor, we just need help, we’re so weak and feeble. They don’t want these people to see that these are really nasty people and they’re capable of some really nasty things if they reach our shores.

 

And it’s like again, we come back to it, it’s so on the nose! It’s right there! He was writing about things that are happening exactly the way they’re happening now.

 

[31:22]

 

Mark Collett: Sally, what’s your thoughts about this thing? Would you call Jean Raspail a prophet? Do you think he was ahead of his time? I know you didn’t enjoy the book, but did you take anything positive from the book in terms of his ability to predict this nightmare future?

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah, I think definitely, I’ve written that. I’ve got notes all over the place. But I’ve written many times:

 

“How did he know? How did he know that?”

 

And especially when you think he wrote it I think it was 1972. I’ve written down but you said 1973. But he must have thought about it years before. So the idea of the book probably a few years, and how did he know? How how did he know? Even the liberal thing about the liberals and, you know, that the women that were standing up for the refugees. He knew I grew up in this time. He was actually my father’s age, but he couldn’t have seen that. I know he travelled a lot, but I don’t know what on earth he could have seen that made him write it.

 

The other thing no one’s mentioned is that the refugees were men, women and children. They wasn’t just hordes of fighting age men. That’s a difference. I mean, I’m not sure what the proportion of women and children were, but women and children are mentioned a lot.

 

There’s one scene in it that they’re all having sex. Why am I listening to this? It is just horrible. [chuckling] But, yeah, much of it. You know what which bit I’m talking about in our tips. What the hell’s this? Why would they be doing that?

 

Natty: It’s pretty disgusting the way it’s written as well. He talks about semen flowing over brown bodies, and children involved and everything else. It’s really horrible!

 

Aunt Sally: The other thing is, he’s got a clear hatred, I think, hatred of people from India, because there’s barely a nice word about them. It made me think something must have happened to him that made him write like that, because he doesn’t talk about other, he doesn’t really mention any other races. There’s no Africans in there, is there? It’s all from people from the Ganges, that’s what he’s calling them.

 

And it’s like, why would they come from the Ganges? That was my big thing. Why would they go to France? I think the reasons were covered in the early chapters, where it was because they want what they’re entitled to. They want a share of the West’s wealth because they deserve it and they’re entitled to it. And I’m thinking, well, the Indians, why would they blame France? Surely they would be coming to England? Why France? I never really understood that. I don’t know if you did, Natty, because that really didn’t make sense to me, that it was Indians and not another race.

 

[34:38]

 

Natty: I don’t know where I read this, but I think I read that Jean Raspail actually chose to make it Indians, because making it Africans or sub-Saharan Africans, or North Africans would have been too easy, I think. Or they’re too alien. I think that’s paraphrasing what he said about it.

 

But then, strangely enough, the way he dehumanizes the Indians, you’re absolutely right. He couldn’t have written about them in a worse way. I think they’re eating poo and cooking with poo, I think there’s cannibalism on the fleet as well. This is one of the other things, …

 

Mark Collett: It’s every horror imaginable, isn’t it? The way he talks about them is this sort of floating ramshackle. And I’ve got to say this, one thing that I really liked as well is that they’re only able to get to the West because the West once colonized their part of the world and left these rotting boats there.

 

So there are all these old ramshackle boats that were once used by Western explorers and shipping companies that have just been dumped there. And they board them almost like a fleet of these boats, and they’re all sort of decaying. And some of them are sort of like lashed together to make them slightly more seaworthy. And they just set off on this slow journey.

 

But I did like the fact that it was almost sort of like the things we left behind for them, they use against us. I thought that was another subtle part of it. Sorry, carry on.

 

Aunt Sally: Even then, they’ve seized these ships, these rust buckets, I think he calls them, somewhere. But the amount of food that they would have, an organization that they would have had to have to bring those ships as far as France, that is fantasy, isn’t it? It just wouldn’t have been possible if these people were that starving, that they’re leaving their homeland to go to France for what they think is their fair share of Western wealth.

 

How on earth, could they afford to fill that ship with the food that they would have needed to get it sailing. And the fuel and the food and everything else? They couldn’t have been as poor. They couldn’t be that poor, could they? That didn’t make sense. Things have to make sense and add up to me. And it just, …

 

Natty: Sure, I know exactly what you mean. I’ve got this written down, actually, in that, …

 

Aunt Sally: You could probably explain it better. Yeah.

 

Natty: He gives a Ganges fleet this kind of constant miracle. He grants them constant miracles in order to get them where they need to be.

 

So I think the initial incident is this thing that happens at the Belgium embassy, where they say:

 

“We’re not taking any more orphans from India back to Belgium.”

 

And this triggers a stampede. A shot is fired and Agent Provocateurs actually whip up the crowd. Don’t just whip up the crowd, they whip up the whole of Delhi or wherever it is on the Ganges. Maybe it’s not Delhi. Into storming the docks.

 

Now, the fleet, it says, I think the numbers are 800,000, spread over 100 boats of varying sizes. Most boats carrying more than 1000 people each, obviously. But the speed that it travels, he does allude to the fact that thousands die on the route and they’re just even used as fire-lighting material, or thrown over the edge or eaten in some cases. And the fact that there’s no weather that stops this fleet, there’s no storms, there’s no anything that impedes this fleet in the slightest, it just makes its way there. There’s no talk about fuel, there’s no talk about leadership, …

 

Mark Collett: I read this completely differently to you. Carry on, then I’m going to give a slightly different story.

 

Natty: So, in my opinion, I mean, Jean Raspail, and I had this kind of theory as I was reading it, that maybe his granting the fleet this kind of just mythical ability to travel was maybe a cover for the JQ, in that it would have been NGOs helping these people out and buying fuel for them and supplying with food.

 

But in the book, they just manage it. It happens for them. I’ll be interested to hear what you’ve got to say about it.

 

[39:34]

 

Mark Collett: Well, I didn’t see it as something as complex as that. And I said I saw this as a bit like a horror film. And I’ll talk about what I mean. Often, something like, say, Jaws. You know, this monster is out there, you know, it’s coming. And throughout the film, you don’t really see the monster head on and the sort of true level of carnage it can cause.

 

I’ll give you a good example of a film like that. The recent first in the new Godzilla films, you saw lots of things sort of like telling you that something bad was going to happen. But it wasn’t until the end when you saw the true carnage of Godzilla sort of crashing through an American city. And I kind of felt that this film was like that, in that you knew that this monstrous human tide was coming, but you only saw it sort of crash on the beaches and the chaos toward the end of the book.

 

And one thing about a monster film that can make you feel unsettled is when the beast is relentless and unstoppable. And no matter what happens or no matter what you think might throw it off, it just keeps advancing.

 

So in horror films, you kind of have characters like Michael Myers who doesn’t matter how or Jason Voyage doesn’t matter how many times they’re shot or who chops at them with an axe or who hits them with a bat. They just keep coming relentlessly.

 

And I felt that Raspail sort of ascribed, like you say, it’s almost a horrifying, mythical, supernatural power to this fleet. But I also felt he did something else. He made it feel, by the end of the book, as you realize it’s coming, it’s coming, it’s coming, and it’s building in your stomach that this monster from like a horror film is unstoppable and it’s coming and it’s relentless.

 

But also from our point of view, from a racial point of view, an ethnic point of view, he made this feel inevitable. He made it feel like whatever you do, there is no turning this back! There is no changing this. This is the fate of the West. The West is fated to die! The West is fated to be defeated, to be destroyed at the hands of mass immigration, fueled by traitorous politicians.

 

And although he makes it clear that really in their heart of hearts, whether they express it or not, the vast majority of the normal French people who weren’t part of the government or weren’t part of these anarchist or liberal groups, they didn’t want it. But they just didn’t feel as if they could do anything other than flee, which I took as sort of a signal of White flight. And the way they moved north through the country with the White French fleeing north, thinking they could escape this if they got far enough north.

 

Basically, that’s what happens in Britain, isn’t it? They turn upon our southern coast and as they move north, people flee north! If I get to Yorkshire, I’ll be fine. Well, if I get to the northeast, I’ll be fine. Well, if I get to Scotland, I’ll be fine. And eventually it’ll be well, if I get to the Outer Hebrides, they won’t follow us there! But they follow you everywhere.

 

And I kind of felt, … Maybe a better way to put it is like The Terminator from obviously The Terminator films, this unstoppable force. And it really did sort of hit me that Raspail was saying:

 

“By the time this is all happening, it will already be too late to stop it!”

 

And I kind of saw this as his way of saying that this is a grim inevitability for the West. It’s the monster that you won’t be able to stop. But ironically, he more or less alludes to the fact it was a monster created by the West out of our own altruism, out of our own colonization, out of our own liberalism.

 

That’s how I saw it. I didn’t think there was anything more complex, hidden. But I did think he made it very much. This ever advancing terror, unstoppable terror, that was our destiny. Our destiny was to be destroyed by a monster of her own making. Have I got that completely wrong? I’ll ask both of you that question.

 

[44:11]

 

Natty: Well, funnily enough, one of the things that does differentiate it from today, is how much power the media personalities have, right? So the newspaper men and the radio, the radio people and the occasional address by this ambassador from India, or the ambassador from Belgium, or some minister from France is able to sway public opinion in a way that we wouldn’t really understand now, given that we’ve all got phones and Internet and the dissemination of information and news sources wide reaching and wherever you can get your information from wherever.

 

But one of the things that does keep the French from complaining too loudly and sway’s opinion is these big personalities, whether they’re on the radio or whether they’re in the newspapers of the time. And again, this is written in the 70s, so it’s understandable that those channels of communication or mass media were controlled that way.

 

And it’s actually one of the I’ll make this topical about recent times. One of the things we’re kind of grappling with right now is that certain sources of information or cultural touchstones for us, like the Babylon Bee, like maybe Steven Crowder, some other people who you kind of assume are on the dissident Right, or your side are being exposed as just bad actors. They’re supposed thought leaders, but they’re not good for you and they’re leading you down the wrong path and trying to divert you, act as gatekeepers and all the rest of it.

 

And it’s something that we have, I think since 2015, 2016, have been grappling with this and slowly exposing people. It’s very rare that someone can come on the scene now or turn up with a Telegram channel or turn up in someone’s media project, and not have questions asked about who they are, where they’ve come from or who’s funding them or any of that stuff. So again, it’s one of the things in this book that doesn’t sit right with the way things are today.

 

But you’re right, the people there are totally betrayed and their opinions are swayed by these people who stop them resisting, which is really interesting. And it’s the same thing they would try and do now, and they still do try and do now by banning people off social media, restricting their access.

 

Mark Collett: But I was just going to cut in there, mate. I do think there are increasingly people who don’t listen, but you’ve got to remember, I mean, just look at Piers Morgan. I mean, people joke that he’s the Gammon Whisperer, that he’s the one that when the public are actually at that point of snapping over something, he does an interview and sort of calms it down, or:

 

“Well, they’re not all bad. And this one here that I’ve got on the show, he’s not like the other ones.”

 

And do you still think, though, that there are some celebrities like that? There are Morgans, there are the Peter Hitchens, there are these sort of centrist people who would calm others.

 

And I’ll give you an example. I was on Twitter just looking at the response to our protest in Leeds at the weekend, and there was I don’t know whether this person really is a woman or if it really is the person who the account claims to be. But they were saying:

 

“Oh, well, I am completely against these migrants, but the idea of protesting outside a migrant hotel is disgusting! It’s anti-British! You are meant to be standing for the British people, but what you’re doing is the most anti-British thing! That’s their home. No British man, no decent British man would go out there and actually protest outside somebody’s home, making them feel uncomfortable. This is the most wickedly, un-British thing ever! Hang your heads in shame!”

 

And I looked at that and thought:

 

“That’s a very carefully constructed argument.”

 

But that’s the kind of argument that is designed to calm people into completing inaction.

 

And although I think that maybe the media doesn’t have the power it used to, there are still media figureheads. And I do still think there are, you know, subversive agents out there spreading this nonsense. The kind of people that will say:

 

“Well, I walked into the Gulag with my head held high and a smile on my face, because at least they couldn’t call me racist!”

 

And you’re thinking:

 

“So you did nothing for the last, 20 years except for agreeing with the government. Then the last moment, you made some meek protests and let them cart you off to the Gulag.”

 

Well, if you’d be a little less bothered about being called a racist for the last, 20 years, we could have actually done something. And I do think there are other things that sort of have emerged as sort of mind control devices that would stop people taking action, even in a horrific case like this, where there is literally an invasion fleet on its way.

 

[49:19]

 

Aunt Sally: One of the things about the book that did strike me was the word “racism” and the fact that he wrote it when Enoch Powell made that famous speech, And I asked my mum, what’s “racism”, and she said:

 

“It’s people that don’t like black people.”

 

And I said:

 

“Does that mean your one?”

 

And she said:

 

“Yes!”

 

And I thought:

 

“Oh!”

 

And then there was this drive from the press that Enoch Powell’s a racist and this and that. And that’s when that word first became for me, was a thing like, you mustn’t be a racist, they’re the worst things ever.

 

But he knew, he must have known that that word was the tool that was going to lead to political correctness and excuses for not standing up for what’s right and wrong for your own race. He knew it. He knew a lot. It just makes me think what I’ll always wonder, where did he get his knowledge from? How? I mean he travelled? I wonder what he saw. He knew too much and I’d love to know how he knew it.

 

And it crossed my mind that maybe he got some of it from the Bible? Some of what’s happening from the Bible? From Revelations in particular. Yeah, there’s a bit in Revelations about nation on nation, nation on nation being race against race. That’s what it means. But, yeah, I do think he got it from there. I forgot what was going to say next. So carry on.

 

Natty: I think we were talking about the fact that the people in France were betrayed by the media and their politicians. And actually that is going to lead me on to say something else, or kind of change the direction of this thing.

 

Mark, you talk about the fact that the fleet is kind of this creeping horror that’s going to end up in France, I think I guess Raspail chose France because it was his country. He understood it. He understood how beautiful the southern coast was in Provence and this total juxtaposition of this fleet of tramp steamers filled with emaciated brown Indian people covered in semen and poop, [chuckling] wading ashore into Provence, into one of arguably the most beautiful coastal regions in the world, the most well maintained and the most gorgeous, the best climate in the world.

 

But as always, and this is a theme that’s true in any major shift in history, it’s not the outsider that does you in, in the end, it’s your own countrymen! It’s the traitors inside your country. It’s the media. There’s one odious character called Clement Dio who’s a kind of mixed race, wealthy newspaper guy, who’s constantly attacking nationalists or people with nationalist sentiments.

 

There’s an incident with Arabs in a swimming pool and he just ruthlessly goes after, using his newspaper, he goes after the town council for trying to ban these Arabs from the swimming pool because it’s spreading syphilis and their pestering girls and stuff. So there’s this horrible anti-White mixed race guy called Clement Dio who eventually gets his comeuppance. And that’s one of the good things about this book, is that a lot of the scumbags and people who screw France over and screw Europe over, end up getting killed and brutalized. And I think that was Jean Raspail’s way of having his own version of revenge on these people, even if the West did fall.

 

[53:31]

 

Mark Collett: Well, I thought that was very realistic! Because all the people you see this in the in the UK, when you see these sort of liberal White women go on these BLM marches and something horrific happens to them all. And these things do happen! And I thought again, I didn’t think it was his way of getting revenge. I just thought it was prophetic. I thought that eventually the liberals meeting their end at the policies they advocated for was absolutely true.

 

And you could take that and you see it’s when I read bits like that, I’m not sure whether he was prophetic or just very good at reading history, because obviously that brings you to sort of the Haitian Revolution, where during the Haitian Revolution, the blacks, the mixed race and White collaborators took power over Haiti.

 

But as soon as they had taken power, it wasn’t long before the blacks and the mixed race did away with the White collaborators. So even the Whites that helped them, they then did away with. And shortly afterwards, many of the mixed race were also killed because they formed a strata above the black Haitians.

 

And it is with an understanding of history that you do start to look at this and say, maybe he did base certain aspects, not say, the migrant flotilla or anything like that. I mean, that would be unprecedented in his time. But there were certain historical aspects to the book, like the Haitian revolution, which I think he would have had a very strong knowledge of.

 

Natty: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, absolutely. And you kind of think about the people in this country. Now you extrapolate, we think, well, maybe not this country, but someone like Sean King or, …

 

Mark Collett: Sorry to butt in mate, sorry, sorry to butt in, but I just wanted to point out as well the reason he would have had such a great knowledge of the Haitian revolution, because obviously that was an insurrection against French colonial rule. So that may well have been something that as a Frenchman of that era, he was very well read on, because Haiti was originally a French colony. And the French there that did side with the revolutionaries were killed shortly afterwards.

 

Natty: Yeah, absolutely.

 

Aunt Sally: That makes sense. That answers my question, because it’s one of the things I was wondering, where did he get all this from? What made him write this book? Where did the ideas come from? It must have come from that, and he might have known people.

 

Natty: Well, if you think about what would happen to someone like Akala, or Alfa Hirsch, or Ash Sarkar, for instance. If this was to happen in the same way as the book, and even in different ways, these people wouldn’t be needed. They’ve been stabbing and jabbing at the stumbling, the shuffling kind of walking catastrophe that is the UK. And these guys have been jabbing their knives in and trying to draw blood.

 

But come any sort of revolution that these people would cheer on, they’d be the first to go. They wouldn’t have any place. And I think Jean Raspail understood that, especially in what happens to Clement Dio, which is his kind of personification of all of these people. Like you say, the White collaborator.

 

In Clementio’s case, he’s a mixed race, but he runs into a gang of escaped criminals, many of them black or Africans, who have been let out of his prison. And at first he’s kind of jokey and matey with him. And I think he’s got a Chinese wife with him who’s very attractive, and they start drinking together. And by the end of it, he’s beaten up and locked in an upstairs room and they’re downstairs in the bar raping his wife for three days. I can’t remember if he dies afterwards or whether they kill him or what happens.

 

But again, this is before the fleet even lands. So the army has its teeth taken away by the President, by the media, by the people of Provence running away, because they don’t have the have the stomach, or the heart, or the institutions behind them to stand up for themselves and defend their own patch of land.

 

So the French army has the artillery, has the navy, it has all these prestigious regiments who have travelled around the world and conquered and gone to war, but it’s not the problem that they’ve got of that. And they’re facing this fleet. Everything behind them has collapsed and the people inside the country have turned against them, essentially, and they can’t defend their land anymore. They don’t have the moral fortitude, they don’t have the institutions on their side. They don’t have the backing of anyone.

 

And in that case, if the enemy at your front is easy to see, but the enemy at your back is one that’s just constantly stabbing you and taking away your troops and trying to cause desertions and all the rest of it and sabotaging your supply lines. You can see why everything just fell apart at the end of a book and happened the way it did.

 

Mark Collett: Do you have anything to add on that one, Aunt Sally?

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah. No, I think most of the book seems to centre around the actual journey, the journey and what’s happening in press offices and governments. That’s all politics. And I hate politics! I really do. But it was all about this impending doom.

 

And if it did remind me of any horror movie, it was Walking Dead. It’s just like they keep coming, they keep coming. And then when they think they’ve got rid of all the hordes of zombies. There’s more coming. There’s more coming. It was all this impending doom and gloom that’s coming and then accepting their fate, they’re not going to make a stand. They’re not going to fight. They’re not going to fight for it. I’d understand that if it was men, women and children, which it was, I’d get it.

 

What would happen if that was the case? If this flotilla of people, real, genuine refugees, were coming from the Ganges and they were men, women and children, then different governments would plan where they’re going to go and make the rest of Europe take some of them, not just allow them all to land in France. So, again, when things don’t make sense to me, I can’t really take it seriously. It’s like this whole flotilla is going to France. Why?

 

[1:01:02]

 

Natty: I think that was one of the reasons why Raspail wrote it Sal. The way he did so was he deliberately took those decisions away from the governments of the West. Every interaction they try and have with the fleet is ignored. They don’t want anything to do with help, or aid, or anything else. There’s no radios on board the fleet. They’re just going where they go.

 

And interestingly, an incident where it looks like they might be heading for the Suez Canal. I don’t know if you guys remember this part of the book. But the Egyptian government only has one navy boat. So it’s got this old Second World War destroyer that’s kind of on its last legs. It’s been afloat for the last 40, or 50 years. It’s barely held together. And it’s the one navy boat that Egypt possesses.

 

But the Egyptian government, which still has some balls and does not want these people in their country and is still led by people who are willing to say as much, doesn’t want this fleet coming through the Suez Canal and ending up grounding. And then they’ll have to deal with it.

 

So the Egyptian government sends out this single navy boat and tells the captain:

 

“You stop that fleet and you turn it around by any means necessary!”

 

And the guy pulls up alongside. Again, there’s no radios. So he just shouts over the loud hailer and fires like a stream of antiaircraft, like cannon fire over the bridge. And the kind of crippled quadriplegic who’s in charge [chuckling] of this fleet is shocked into turning it around.

 

So this show of force by this crappy beat up old navy boat. But because the person who’s in charge of that boat and the person who’s giving him his orders is prepared to do what’s necessary. They managed to turn this fleet around and avert disaster for Egypt.

 

And there’s absolutely none of that will, or backbone in the West anywhere to make that kind of decision! France ends up getting the refugees. So it’s this interesting juxtaposition between the Egyptian navy, which achieves it’s aim with one rusty old tub with like an antiaircraft gun on it, versus the entire fleets of Western Europe who are utterly toothless and can’t do a single thing about it.

 

Mark Collett: I thought that was interesting as well. And something else I liked about the book. And I’ve talked about this many times before on streams. And when I’ve appeared on other people’s, shows. That this book, although it does take place primarily in France, by the end of the book, he’s made it clear that virtually every Western nation has been consumed by this. This sort of flotilla leads to sort of a knock on effect which basically destroys everything. And the last holdout is Switzerland.

 

But eventually, because every other country is now completely overrun with migrants and liberals and has succumbed to this nightmare, Switzerland is seen as this rogue state and basically that is forced to capitulate as well. And eventually everywhere succumbs to this nightmare.

 

And I thought that was really important too, and I speak about this quite a lot, as I said, on other streams and shows that this is a White issue. And a lot of people say:

 

“Oh, Mark, you shouldn’t talk with all these Americans and people from overseas, you should stick to just what’s going on in Britain!”

 

But this isn’t a British problem. And I thought Jean Raspail made it very clear that this wasn’t just a French problem in the book. That this led to absolute world-wide changes! Every Western nation ends up succumbing to this madness! Every Western nation ends up being crushed under this tidal wave of migrants! And really what could be described as anti-White policy.

 

[1:05:20]

 

And I thought that was very interesting too, because he realized in 1973 that despite what he felt was coming to France, that everywhere would go along with this, that you wouldn’t have Britain as an outlier, you wouldn’t have a resurgence of militant nationalism in Germany that would save Germany. America wouldn’t stand alone as the last bastion of the White nuclear family in their quaint houses with white picket fences. He knew this was going to be something that would essentially affect what would be described as the whole Western world.

 

And I do think that’s a very, very important point. And it’s also very indicative of his level of understanding of this problem, that it isn’t a madness that just affects a country, it’s a madness that infects, or an ethnicity for that matter. It doesn’t just affect the English. But it’s passed over the Scottish. This is a madness that infects our entire race!

 

And at the end of the book, essentially the whole West has sunk. He more, or less, says that. But you would think there be some small communities in parts of America, that would stand strong against it and remain there during the collapse of civilization. But obviously we’ll never know. I don’t believe unless he tells me otherwise, that. He did a follow up about any resistance. I think he left it at the end with complete destruction. In very many ways, as Natty said, probably to shock people and to make people think, look, you need to do something now before it’s too late.

 

But, yeah, to see this as not just a French thing, but as a White thing, I thought that was very important as well, because there’s still people out there who don’t understand that this is an anti-White thing, that this isn’t about being British, or French, or German, it’s about being White.

 

Natty: Yeah. And throughout the book there’s a couple of scenes where there’s a few Summits between the European nations. And it’s quite clear that I think Italy says:

 

“Oh, no, we can’t take them because we’ve got to think of the Catholic Church! And the fact that the Pope is here!”

 

And Britain says:

 

“Oh, well, we can’t take them, because we’ve got colonial ties with India. And all the rest of it.”

 

And they’re so happy when they don’t have to deal with this fleet. They’re totally, like, inward looking. If they can just have a few more months, or a few more years where they don’t have to deal with this.

 

And it’s exactly the same situation in the West. I mean, anyone with even half a brain cell can see where the current system of governance and culture is leading, and it’s nowhere good. I mean, it’s leading to what this book prophesies, basically.

 

We all understand this, and I’m pretty sure everyone listening understands this as well. Even if there’s people listening to this who hate us, or are working for the state, they know what’s coming. They know, whether it’s in 20 years, whether it’s in 50 years, if things carry on the way they are, it’s going to be bad for everyone. Not just not just us, because we’re raising our voices against it, but for you too, there’s going to be no progress, no improvement of the people you call your family and your ancestors. And all the rest of it.

 

The other interesting thing I found was, obviously France has a colonial past, and so does the UK. But this idea that this fleet is kind of retribution for the West completely ignores the fact that the same thing is happening in, like, Sweden and Denmark, which never expanded into Africa, or the Middle East, or anything like that.

 

Australia, or like you said, Mark, in the book, Jean Raspail, has this happening everywhere where there’s White people, right? So Australia, South Africa. And this book was written before apartheid ended. So while the Whites were still in charge in South Africa. And there’s quite an interesting part of the book which we haven’t touched on yet, that happens with South Africa.

 

But this happens everywhere and it has no bearing, and no worries about who did what in the past. It’s coming for all of you. I think you’ve kind of alluded to that with the idea of this being like a horror, a horror book, as well. TRS some horror aspects to this fleet and what it brings with it.

 

[1:10:01]

 

Aunt Sally: Yes, I’ve got notes on the bit about South Africa. And the fact that, well, he knew all this. He knew all this to write the book. But he didn’t know about South Africa. He didn’t see that coming, did he? It seemed out of place, the South Africa, but knowing what we know now, and now knowing what’s happened in South Africa, that he wrote this book, the one place that succumbed big time. In fact, they went first, didn’t they? That he didn’t foresee that it’s a strong White nation in the book still. And it turns them away as well.

 

I’m sorry. I’m not saying, … I just hated the book! [chuckling] I can’t say anything good about it! All I can think is, like, the audio of his voice, Alex Linder’s voice. Just these:

 

“Brown, putrid bodies!”

 

That’s all it’s saying. It’s horrible! Just words that he’s describing people, non-stop, being just filth! It’s affected me. It’s a horrible book! Sorry, you both liked it. I’m struggling to talk about it, because I’m almost traumatized by reading it. It’s awful. Yeah. Who suggested it? Was it you? Was it you Natty? I know.

 

Natty: Yeah.

 

Aunt Sally: Please.

 

Natty: I wasn’t sure where else I could find it as an audio book. I only knew about the Alex Linder reading of it. I found that Alex Linder emphasizing the kind of horror, the kind of body horror of the Indian fleet added to the book. Maybe it’s a male thing, I’m not sure, [chuckling] but it made it all the more pressing. What’s happening in the book.

 

As to South Africa, it is interesting, because South Africa does the same thing as Egypt. Because obviously the fleet leaves India, and initially it looks like it’s head for the Suez Canal, but it turns south, because of this one action by the Egyptian government with their rusty old torpedo boat, rusty old destroyer. So it turns south and has the head around the Cape of Africa. So around South Africa. If you can imagine it on the map. And initially, because South Africa is a White country. And it’s still in the hands of the White South Africans there, they think, well, maybe the fleet is going to stop there. Because it’s a prosperous country, they could get welfare. And all the rest of it.

 

But the South African government does the same thing as the Egyptian government and makes it clear in no uncertain terms, they are going to open fire on this fleet if they try and land in South Africa. They’re completely uncaring. They’re totally used to dealing with a majority population. In the case of South Africa, of these blacks that they’re in charge of, they know exactly how to deal with them. They know that you threaten and then you use violence. And that’s how you get the job done. And that’s how they treat the fleet. And it works. The fleet just sails past.

 

As a result, there’s this howling and screeching from the media, in this case, the French media. Because that’s who it’s focused on. And the ambassador is shunned and all this other stuff, and South Africa is racist and all this, and all that. And they go on and on. But at the end of the day, they achieve their aims. And the fleet sail was passed, even going so far as to throw off the aid that the South Africans try and give them, to help them keep moving.

 

So, yeah, it’s interesting that South Africa had the military might and the will to do that, but then, like you said, a few years later, it falls and is now where it is, which is not a good place. He didn’t foresee that, I’ll give you that Sal!

 

Mark Collett: Just one other thing as well, about the Egyptian Navy obviously being able to turn back the whole flotilla just with one boat. Do you think it was his way of saying, and this could all be ended so easily and the West will just do nothing to end it? Because obviously the Egyptians did very easily manage to avert the crisis landing on their shores. And that is very true, isn’t it?

 

So you could even draw an analogy between that and what happened during Covid. So during Covid the Royal Navy managed to have boats constantly patrolling the English Channel with the intention of arresting sun bathers, or swimmers, or anybody going out and enjoying the summer during the 2020 Covid. But the same navy that can patrol every inch of those beaches to ensure that there’s no sunbathers there, now can’t do a single thing to stop migrants landing on those beaches in their hundreds, or thousands every day.

 

And I do think he makes an important point there as well. This migrant crisis that we’re living through now, even though he’s not here to see it, it could all be stopped with such great ease, couldn’t it? They could literally close that southern border with a stroke of a pen!

 

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Natty: Oh, that’s one of the things that is totally clear with what you’re saying, is that it’s not that the government. I mean, in the book, Jean Raspail does take the teeth away from the government.

 

But in regards to where we are now it’s not that the government doesn’t have teeth and willingness to use force and use violence. But they don’t want to use it for the good of the country. They want to use it to repress their own people, arrest people for Twitter, things they write on Twitter.

 

You’re absolutely right! Any single person with just an ounce of moral fiber knows how to stop those migrant boats. And maybe there’d be involved, who knows? But it wouldn’t be hard, like you say, to even discuss this sounds stupid, because it’s so easy. It would be so ridiculously easy. And yet our own government is facilitating it!

 

This is what I mean. It’s not the problem that there’s 50,000 migrants in France who want to come across a Channel in small boats. The problem is that the government is helping them and wants to house them and pay the money when they get here! It’s totally the running theme is that in this book. And what now is that you’re going to get betrayed by the people in charge who hate you, and have this kind of pathological altruism that they’ve instilled into everyone. This kind of multiracial Diversity is Our Strength. You all know for slogans. This is a knife that’s jammed into your back using these slogans and using this kind of mass brainwashing.

 

Yeah, the government absolutely has a teeth to do certain things and take hard measures and take necessary steps if it feels as necessary, like arresting people for sunbathing! But stopping violent criminals, landing on your shore in little rubber dinghies:

 

“No, if we can’t do that! It’s too difficult, it costs too much money!”

 

Whatever. Pick your excuse!

 

Aunt Sally: It’s interesting that you said that, Mark, because I hadn’t thought of it.

 

But you’re right that the Egyptian fleet and the South African, how easy it was to turn them back. He’s showing thid. And what do we make of that? What Natty just said? They want it all engineered for a reason by people that don’t like us.

 

Mark Collett: Right. So we do have some Superchats. We don’t have many tonight. But we’ve got a few. So let’s do the ones we have, because we’ve only got about 35 minutes of this show left. So let’s do those. And then we can discuss a bit more of the book, or if anything else comes in, we can answer those as well.

 

So these are all from the same guy. He calls himself “A Stupid Moron”. I don’t know why he calls himself that, because he’s always very kind. So thank you for these Superchats. His first Superchat is he says:

 

“Hi, Mark. Pat Buchanan recently retired from writing. He was as close as a dissident Right figure to make the mainstream as we got. A good book to cover is The Death of the West. He was talking about demographics in the 1990s.”

 

Would you guys be interested in doing a Pat Buchanan book?

 

Natty: Yeah, absolutely. I keep hearing about him. I hear about him in circles and Telegram chats all the time. But, yeah, definitely. I’d certainly be up for that.

 

Aunt Sally: I would. I wouldn’t mind.

 

Mark Collett: It’s quite interesting. That people are brought up The Death of the West. And it’s interesting, because that was another book that I believe. If I’ve got this right, that was recommended reading when I was in the BNP. Yeah, it definitely was. It was originally published in 2001. Camp of the Saints was definitely recommended and Death of the West was as well. I remember Buchanan’s name being thrown around.

 

But I also think Pat Buchanan was somebody he was very, very he was a lot sort of more mainstream than, say, the people we usually have on this show. So it was interesting that he decided to basically write a book that sort of incendiary. He did go down sort of a line that the West was being destroyed by demographic change.

 

And he also was somebody who sought presidential nomination for the Republican Party. So it was quite interesting to see somebody who was that high up actually go down the route of talking about demographics in such an open way. Thank you for that Superchat.

 

The next one says:

 

“Recent Daily Mail article showed that 250,000,000, that’s 250,000,000, Latinos alone now want to migrate to the US. We are talking about Armageddon of Western civilization here.”

 

Yeah. Because obviously we get the dinghies. And the dinghies are resulting in some sort of quarter of a million illegal migrants washing up on Britain’s shores every year. But that land border between America and Mexico is obviously a huge, huge threat to America’s current demographic balance, which is already teetering on the brink.

 

What do you guys think about that? Do you think that America [word unclear] what is going to change when America does hit that demographic tipping point? Do you think that could be something that fundamentally, although will be disastrous for White Americans, do you think that could actually be something that could lead to America being supplanted by China, or even Russia as the global superpower?

 

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Natty: That’s an interesting question. It’s quite hard to predict what would happen. There’s definitely all of the intangible qualities that European that allowed America to become strong will slowly be lost as the demographics. I know it’s not exactly happening slowly, but as it changes, things just become worse and shittier and infrastructure becomes worse. American culture, there’s a certain, like, hollowness to it as well. The way the roads are laid out, you don’t walk anywhere. It’s all just buy this and advertising. So it’s not hard to imagine that at some point in the near future, the hordes coming up from South America who are totally on board, by the way, … Again, another aside. Sorry to keep doing this.

 

Another aside is that the people like White Europeans, we’ve got a certain taste for our media. And you have to kind of cater to that you have to tell stories that are good. This is why so much of kind of dissident adjacent circles are constantly harping on about how crap the new Lord of Rings is, or how crap the new Star Wars is, or how soulless Marvel films are. All the rest of it.

 

However, it seems like a lot of the people who they are trying to replace Europeans with successfully don’t have any of those hangups. They’re more than happy to just consume this garbage storytelling, this garbage crappy films and media and music that they just pump out to keep people entertained. And I think that’s part of the reason why they’re so keen to bring them in. I mean, it serves a dual purpose. It’s quick money and it replaces White people, which it seems to be what every establishment is hell bent on doing! And does it mean they’re going to lose out to China and Russia? Well, Russia, who knows? But China, yeah.

 

I mean, there’s no reason why it shouldn’t. There’s no reason why a country full of deracinated Mexicans, or Hondurans, or Brazilians, or whoever it is, is going to outcompete China who has a strong, if nothing else you can say about them has a strong sense of who they are and kind of this work ethic that means they are competitive and they’re willing to export and sell and buy. And all the rest of it.

 

So, yeah, I don’t see why not.

 

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Mark Collett: You’ve got to remember as well, that the Chinese are very interesting people, in that they are racially aware. And they are all very, very proud to be Chinese and want China to be the best! They want China to be the preeminent global superpower. Now, there are very few Britons alive today that want Britain to be a global superpower. And that’s a very interesting thing.

 

And you even see that in the gaming world. If you ever play a computer game, and you get beaten by somebody from China, you will just hear them screaming down the microphone:

 

“China number one! China number one!”

 

They want to dominate everything. [chuckling] They’ve got this sort of fierce racial pride in everything they do. And it’s comical! Because if I beat somebody, Call of Duty Wars, and if we win a game which very rarely happens, I can assure you, I don’t scream down the mic, :

 

“Britain’s number one!”

 

Even for somebody like me, that would seem absurd.

 

But they have national pride in everything they do, even winning an online multiplayer game, which tells you an awful lot about the Chinese as a people. And I think that’s very important. And I do think it does put you into this mindset that as America becomes more racially mixed and the more the Whites, completely deracinated, and there is an uptick in this sort of racial turmoil and diversity hires, which always seem to result in lower productivity and more chaos, you can see China just surpassing the US in every sense. And when that happens, well, there’s going to be a complete rebalancing of power. And I think you will know when that has happened. Because the first casualty will be Taiwan will be invaded.

 

Aunt Sally, do you have any comments on the Chinese?

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah, I agree with what you said.

 

I mean, they really have a racial pride of themselves as a people. They don’t deserve to have it about their products, because everything I get is Chinese. I’ve got to the point now where I look to see where something’s made. And if it’s Chinese I’m not buying it, because it’s junk. It’s junk!

 

But one of the things that puzzles me is trade, like how trade works. And it’s going off topic. But it’s like, if I want to buy something from America, just a book, just a book from America, it costs $40 to get imported here.

 

But if you buy something from China, it’s free. So I don’t know what the trade deals are, but no wonder China is a superpower when our government have something in place where they get free postage everywhere.

 

As far as the politics go, China and Russia are superpowers. And I think India is going to be the next one. It’ll be the third superpower. And we are deracinated. We are a global minority now. And that really, really worries me, particularly when you think that of that minority, an awful lot of those are boomers. Sorry, Mark, I’m not up on politics. I don’t really, I’m not listening to the news anymore.

 

Mark Collett: Okay. Thank you for that. The same Superchatter said:

 

“Hey, Mark and PA, Europe and the US have enjoyed multiculturalism and diversity. But now it’s Israel’s turn. Please help and support the message of open borders for Israel.”

 

Thank you very much. Also said:

 

“Even Colonel Gaddafi warned about Europe turning black in 2009. He noted, millions of sub-Saharan Africans want it to come in. If an African leader can recognize this, Western leaders are complicit.”

 

Now, this, I think, is really, really interesting. Really interesting, the Colonel Gaddafi stuff.

 

Now, Colonel Gaddafi was somebody who did prevent migrants flooding through his country. And he was a blockade, if you like, to mass migration into Europe. But he was obviously completely shut down and prevented from doing that. Obviously, his country was destabilized, and with a Western backed coup, he was killed.

 

But isn’t it really amazing, when you think about it, that he was saying, he said a long time ago that people were to get rid of him, if people were to do away with Gaddafi and his regime, that would lead to this absolute tidal wave of people flooding through Libya to get to Europe. And that’s what happened.

 

And Western leaders, for no real reason, destabilized Libya and replaced him as leader, even though they have no business. Libya is obviously a sovereign nation.

 

I mean, Natty and Aunt Sally, I don’t know how much you want to talk about this. But that’s an interesting point, isn’t it? It sort of plays into things that Jean Raspail was talking about, that the Western liberal elite are playing every card in their hand in order to bring this about, even to the point of destabilizing nations, which obviously always leads to further mass immigration.

 

[1:30:28]

 

Natty: So I actually had this in my notes about the book in that there are these kind of linchpin moments in history, the shooting of Franz Ferdinand that kicked off the First World War, the invasion of Poland, maybe as part of what happened in the Second World War. In the book, this incident at the Belgian embassy kicks off the invasion fleet heading to Europe.

 

But in reality, it was Gaddafi and the destruction of Libya and the destruction of Gaddafi’s government that led to this.

 

And if you put your conspiracy hat on, although I guess it’s not really conspiratorial to say that if Gaddafi understood this, when he was saying, :

 

“If you get rid of me, you are going to face this tidal wave of people flooding up from Africa in the Middle East and wherever else coming across the Mediterranean.”

 

If he understood that, then the people who were getting rid of him, namely the American regime, they obviously understood that too, which has to make you think, well, that’s exactly what they wanted, or part of what they wanted, whether it was a bonus on top of whatever else they were doing in the region. That’s what happened.

 

And as a result, not only did it lead to this gathering of people on the southern shores of the Mediterranean who wanted to cross to the northern shores, that’s just procedural, right? But it showed and exposed something that the book talks about as well, is that Europe had no backbone and no moral fiber to deal with it and stop it happening.

 

So, of course, everyone sees this, everyone recognizes it and so it just continues at pace and picks up pace. And even when it was happening back in, I think it was 2016, or 2015, people in this country were warning:

 

“This is going to be happening in the Channel soon enough. We’re a couple of years away from all of this being on our doorstep.”

 

And, of course nothing was done about it. Everyone just kind of turned over. Politicians ignore that kind of warning. And now, here we are. So history is a continuation. It’s not just stop, start, there’s cause and there’s effect, for everything.

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah. The thing about Gaddafi, I remember him and I had so much admiration for him when I was younger, just, :

 

“Oh, Gaddafi is doing this.”

 

And I’m talking through the 80s and 90s. He was almost a bit of a hero, if I’m honest. But the media did everything they could to demonize him. And they made out he was evil incarnate. But you could see through it. I could see through it. Like he ruled his country with an iron rod. I think they loved him, didn’t they? His people? They didn’t hate him. Although the press would make out that he was an evil despot, wouldn’t they?

 

But I was actually quite sad when they killed him. But at the time, I wasn’t aware of what’s going on now. I didn’t see the connection. But he was so right, what he said was going to happen, happened. And the rest really it’s all happening now, isn’t it? Just because of that one man’s death this is all happening. But, yeah, I liked him. I kind of had respect for Saddam Hussein as well. I’m not sure what was lies and what was truth, what we were told about.

 

Mark Collett: Everything was lies with him. I mean, he literally didn’t do anything. He didn’t have any of the Weapons Of Mass Destruction that they said he did. He just wanted a strong state for his people.

 

[1:34:15]

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah, and I saw at the time, he was another evil incarnate as far as our media was concerned. But I saw things about his people loving him and shrines to him and thinking:

 

“Well, how could they love him? How’s that happening?”

 

I mean, do you remember all these dead children that were gassed by Saddam Hussein that our media put out? So now, I can look back to things in the media, things in the press at the time, the propaganda they were giving us to hate somebody. And it was like all these children that he poisoned gassed.

 

I don’t know if you remember that photo, because it was quite an iconic photo at the time, these little Toddlers just laying face down dead because of him. And then what followed from that was, I don’t think they killed him then. But there was a drive to arrest him and catch him and kill him. But, yeah, I didn’t know what to make of him. But I didn’t quite believe what I was reading, even though I didn’t know what I know now.

 

Mark Collett: You know what’s always interesting as well, Sally. And I’m going to pose this question to you both. But I want you to answer it first. Obviously, gassings have a very special cultural power over us. But haven’t you noticed whenever a mad Middle Eastern despot has to be taken care of, it’s always because they’ve gassed somebody! It was the same with Al Assad in Syria. It was a gas attack! That was the reason why America had to start dropping bombs with Saddam Hussein. He gassed his enemies. And do you think this is something that is used, because it obviously has a mental connection for people to that certain history that people have been completely brainwashed over?

 

Aunt Sally: You know what I mean? He gassed his enemies. No, he killed children. Men, women and children. That was what we were shown. That was all the photos in the newspaper of these poor little Toddlers, these little Arab children all laying in the sand, frothing at the mouth. And I’ve seen something as well with the White Hats. They’ve done that quite a few times, the gassing thing.

 

But, yeah, this does seem to be a fixation with gassing going on somewhere, doesn’t it? That’s for sure. I forgot about Assad as well. He’s supposed to have done it. Why would you gas them? Why would you gas them? So there’s evidence. You just round them all up and throw them in hole, bury them! Why gas them and then let people take photos of it?

 

Natty: Careful Sally! [chuckling] It was a stupid, dubious incident in Syria that almost led us in there. Yeah, history repeats itself!

 

Mark Collett: It certainly does. We’ve got some final Superchats. One more from a good friend who sent several ones he put:

 

“Camp of the Saints was ahead of its time. Steve Sailor is the only person talking about the most important statistic in the world. 4.5 billion Africans by 2100! 50% of the youth want to go to Europe.”

 

Yeah, as we said throughout this stream, the one thing that Jean Raspail got wrong for me was where this was coming from. Now, I’m not saying Indians don’t want to come here. I’m not saying that having lots of Indians coming here would be a bad thing. Of course it would. But I don’t see this Indian problem.

 

The problem is Africa. And Africa is the one part of the world where the population growth is, you know, explosive! And they are going to be heading here. I remember back in my early days of YouTube, I did a video saying 100 million Africans, or 200, I can’t remember it’s either 100 million, or 200 million headed to Europe. And this came from a speech from, actually, a French official, which is quite poetic considering we’re talking about a French author and a book which is largely set based around the fate of France.

 

But, yeah, they are coming here in large numbers. Rory Herbert gave £3. Thank you so much, Rory. And he said:

 

“Dear Mark, would you consider reviewing the novel Lord of the Flies, written by William Golden in 1954, or the film of the same name?”

 

I think it might be an interesting topic. Because yeah, you know what? I’ve actually read The Lord of the Flies. It’s been a long time since I have. And I always found that book quite disturbing, especially the end. There’s a lot that can be taken from that. I would be actually interested in reading Lord of the Flies again.

 

And as I say, I remember reading that in school. And Cheesy Watson gave a generous £25. Thank you so much, my friend. He said:

 

“Another book on a similar theme to Camp of the Saints is Fugue.”

How do you pronounce that? F-U-G-U-E. How do you pronounce hat Natty? I’m expecting you all know, because I don’t.

 

Natty: Sorry, Mark, I’m struggling to hear you. My audio is breaking up a little bit there.

 

Mark Collett: How do you pronounce the word? F-U-G-U-E?

 

Aunt Sally: Is it French?

 

Natty: Fugue? I think you could be in a fugue state. I think.

 

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Mark Collett: Yes, that’s it. I didn’t want to read it out incorrectly:

 

“Fugue for a Darkening Island by Christopher Priest. It details civil war when African refugees flood Britain. Interesting. It was published around 1971, just before Camp of the Saints. Not sure if it’s any good, though.”

 

I would definitely be interested in reading that if it’s similar. And this is African refugees flooding Britain. And it was published in 1971.

 

By the way, Sally, you were correct. He wrote the book, or finished the book in 1972, when I said it was he wrote it in 1973. What I meant was it was originally published in 1973. But yeah. Thank you for that, Cheesy. What’s it. I’m going to see if that one is actually available.

 

And, yes, it is. You can get that on Ebay for as little as £3.49. And I’ll read you the premise of this. The novel story is told in an acronylogical fashion, jumping back and forth between several time periods. The protagonist, a former Professor of English named Alan Whitman, is initially concerned only with protecting his wife and daughter, but is gradually drawn further into the broader conflict over the course of events. And it says:

 

“It is brought about by the rise of a new third party who enter government and combat a massive influx in African refugees, which have been allied in part by the principal opposition faction known as the Secessionist, culminating into a multiple party conflict.”

 

So, yeah, that would be very, very interesting. And obviously it’s by an English writer.

 

So, yeah, would absolutely review this. Obviously, we probably [words unclear] next month. Because it would be like two books that are identical back to back. But, yeah, and the author is still alive. He’s 79. So maybe we could wrangle it and get him on the show? But that sounds very interesting. Have we lost Natty? We’ve lost Natty. He said he was having troubles.

 

Aunt Sally: Yeah, he’s gone.

 

Mark Collett: He’ll be fine. And we got another question. This is from Jack Bevan. He said, :

 

“Would you be interested in reviewing Liberalism Unmasked by Richard Houk? He’s a writer for Counter-Currents?”

 

Yeah, well, look, anyone from Counter-Currents is welcome to come on. Richard Houk, if you’re reading this, or if anyone can get him to email us, would happily review his book, he’d be more than welcome to come on the show. So the answer to that is, absolutely! We certainly would review your book, my friend. So, yes.

 

As I say, Natty is still gone. And we’re getting to the point of the night where we’re about to wrap up. So that is very unfortunate, because we certainly want his wise words on the roundup at the end.

 

So, yeah, we’ll discuss a few other things and hopefully he will be back in the next couple of minutes. He’s probably rebooting his computer as we speak. Computers are obviously a bit of a pain in the butt and can be very irritating.

 

But, yeah, I want to say just a couple of final things about this. I just think it’s quite poetic, really, that we’re reviewing this book tonight, especially considering the protests that I’ve been at over the last few weekends. I think that everything that Jean Raspail said, other than them coming from India was largely-oh he’s back!-was largely correct. And I do think it makes for a very entertaining book. Natty, can you hear us? Can you hear me?

 

Natty: Can you guys hear me?

 

Mark Collett: You’re back. We’ve got a $5 Superchat. Somebody saying:

 

“Would we ever review two of the books written by William Pierce?”

 

No, we absolutely wouldn’t! I don’t recommend anybody in Britain seek out the books of William Pierce. I’m not saying the guy was a bad man. He did some excellent work. But some of his books are likely to be the kind of book that could get you into some trouble. And we certainly wouldn’t recommend that you read, or seek out any texts that could get you into bother. And we certainly do not endorse any form of violent direct action, or anything that could lead to any individual who is interested in nationalism getting into trouble.

 

We believe that the only way is peaceful, Democratic community building. And that is what we’re investing in. As I said, I think Dr William Pierce did some very good work throughout his life. But some of his books could well be books that are on that secret government banned list, which is enforced in a very unfair way. What I mean, by that is you can go to Waterstones, or WH Smith and buy certain books. And if you’re an anarchist, or a Leftist, there’s nothing wrong with that.

 

But if you happen to be a nationalist and you pick up those books, you will be arrested. And people have gone to jail for owning them. So there is definitely selective enforcement of the law there. So if you’re basically an Antifa terrorist, you can own those books.

 

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But if you are a nationalist who might be curious about what’s in those books, you could get arrested. So what I’m saying is. You need to be very, very careful what you do. And we want to channel all of our energies into things that are legal, above board and are based around building communities and changing the political landscape. So we absolutely don’t endorse those books.

 

Anyway, what we should do is now head towards wrapping up this show. I think it’s been a very good show tonight. And we started a few minutes late. I’m sure everyone wants to get off at around 09:00, because it’s Sunday night.

 

So Aunt Sally is now the first one on my panel. So, Aunt Sally, do you want to give your final thoughts on this book. And whether you recommend it? I think it’s going to be pretty scathing.

 

Aunt Sally: .. I think it’s very much a man’s book. It’s not my cup of tea. I really didn’t like it. Almost traumatized by it. It’s horrible! But there are some very interesting lessons to be learnt, or to be had from it. So it’s not a bad book, it’s just really just not my thing at all. Yeah, but everyone else seems to rave about it. You both liked it, I think. But I’m a woman and I’m playing the girl card. It’s not for me. It’s nothing in it that, … Politics bore the hell out of me anyway.

 

But the interesting parts are the way that the liberals acted. And I thought, then how did he know that’s how they would act all the way back then? It’s worth a read if it’s your cup of tea. It’s not mine. Sorry. Anyway, I’ll pop it back.

 

Mark Collett: Well, thank you so much Aunt Sally. I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy the book. And obviously we don’t try to foist books upon you that you don’t enjoy. But, yeah, not every book is going to be for every man, or every woman.

 

So, Natty, I think your take is going to be slightly different to Aunt Sally’s. Do you recommend this book? Did you enjoy it? What’s your final thoughts, my friend?

 

Natty: Yeah, definitely. Not only is it an enjoyable book. Again it’s one of those books that’s quite important for it’s time. I’ll tell you what, on a personal level as well, it’s written a little bit like Starship Troopers and the way Robert Heinlein wrote in that there’s kind of political ideas and political essays coming out of some of the mouths of the characters in what is a novel form, which I really enjoy…

 

I think it’s quite easy when you have a book, a non-fiction book, it can get a bit dry and stale. But if you have political ideas coming out of the mouths of characters who are also taking certain actions, whether it’s going to war, or defending borders, or whatever they’re doing, it makes it much more interesting.

 

So there’s a lot of that in this book.

 

So, yeah, definitely. Highly recommended! Highly recommended!

 

Mark Collett: Okay, well, I’ll give you my final thoughts. I like this book, and I liked it for a few reasons. I liked it because it was very much a story told on a macro level that dived into a few different individuals and showed their story, but without really focusing. There wasn’t sort of one hero, or one central character. And I think that’s a very bold move! I think that’s a very difficult kind of book to write and to make it compelling. But it’s something I like.

 

I always really enjoy the beginning of zombie films where you start to see the crumbling of society and the zombie sort of taking over. And I tend to not enjoy the second half of those films where it just becomes the same well trodden heroes journey of five people fighting their way out of a shopping centre, or making their way to an airport to refit the last helicopter that can fly out of there and escape.

 

I like seeing how everything changes and society collapses. And I like actually watching that take place, or I’ve always wanted to watch that take place over the entire course of the film. But you never get this.

 

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And I felt this book was really bold in the it showed you everything on a macro level. And it also wrote things from a certain perspective where you felt this impending doom. And as a reader, you’re constantly hoping that something was going to change. You were constantly thinking:

 

“Oh my gosh, can this be stopped?”

 

And it doesn’t! Which leads to quite a shocking ending, an ending that sort of gives you a slap around the face with a wet fish.

 

And that’s a good thing as well, because this author, he wrote things in a different way and he made you think about things. And there’s so much of it that’s prophetic. There’s so much of it which sort of draws on history, like the Haitian revolution.

 

And so much of it is relevant to the current struggle that we are engaged in. So much of that book can be applied to what’s happening today. And obviously so much so, that it has influenced people like Steve Bannon, who was really the mastermind behind Trump’s successful 2016 run.

 

So I definitely recommend picking this up. There’s a link in the description below to a copy on Archive.org, which is free. There is the full PDF that can be downloaded from my Telegram. And there’s also the audio book in several parts that can be downloaded from my Telegram. Obviously, they’re all free. So please do feel that you can go and get this book and enjoy it.

 

And obviously, if you want a physical copy in English, Claymore Books do have one coming out. But at the moment, physical copies in English are very rare and do fetch well over £100 per copy. I mean, I’ve seen them go for over 200. So that’s quite a lot for a book.

 

But it is obviously highly sought after, because it is one of those books you could say is a formative read. It’s something that helps people form their opinions and solidify their work, solidifies their worldview. And it does it all, probably with a little bit of Sci-Fi, with a little bit of that dystopian future. Which I do think Sally is very right when she says it’s certainly more of a male book than it is a female book.

 

So maybe if you are a female, you wouldn’t enjoy this as much. But considering it’s free and considering it’s available in audio format, I definitely do believe that this could be something that you may well enjoy. And as it’s free, I suggest giving it a whirl.

 

So, yeah, that’s my thoughts. And obviously everyone’s giving their thoughts. So that comes to the end of the stream. Obviously the stream has been slightly shorter tonight, because we’re having a couple of technical issues getting started. But I hope you’ve enjoyed it all the same. It’s only about five minutes shorter than usual anyway. So I think we’ve managed to wrap up just in time.

 

So I will be back next week. On Wednesday. We’ve got two guests on Patriotic Weekly Review. It’s going to be Laura Tower and Emily Yukis. It’s going to be a bit of a woman’s hour. So they will be doing what women do best, which is chat a lot. And you can obviously join them. And you can ask them your questions.

 

We should also be back next Friday night for a big stream. It’s going to be our monthly roundup stream and obviously if you’ve been living under a rock, you’ll have missed the fact that Patriotic Alternative have had probably one of their biggest ever months. It’s been a month to remember.

 

We’ve had several demos, which would be massive. I’ve spoken at two separate massive anti-immigrant demos, both of them with well over 100 people there. About 115 in Leeds, about 200 to 215 in Hull. So that’s been a busy month. So you can have the full round up there.

 

And Laura and Sam will be back tomorrow night with Teatime with Sam and Laura. So you can check that out too. And obviously we will be back at the end of next month for another edition of Book Club. And I’m talking to an author who’s contacted me through Twitter, who wants to send me and the guys here a copy of his book.

 

And next month we will be joined by another reviewer as well, a guy called Bill Aithling from Wales who is a PA activist. So we’re going to get the numbers back up to four reviewers. I hope you’ll all be looking forward to that. Anyway, everyone, if you can, please give you goodbyes and say good night and we’ll wrap things up.

 

Aunt Sally: Goodbye, everyone. Thanks for listening.

 

Natty: See you later, guys. See you next month. Look forward to whatever book comes down the pipe. Have a good evening.

 

 

 

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Peter Whittle: Hello, welcome to So What You’re Saying Is. I’m Peter Whittle. Now, I’m delighted that my guest this week is one of our newest young commentators. Poppy Coburn is a journalist and writer and she’s currently working at TV News, but she has been in the Telegraph most recently. Before that she was working at Unheard. Thank you very much for coming.

 

Poppy Coburn: Thank you for having me.

 

Peter Whittle: No, it’s lovely to see you. I have to say one of the reasons I want to speak to you is because you wrote a superb piece in this Telegraph recently about immigration, and I thought it was actually quite a brave piece. Can you start by just telling us the gist of that piece?

 

Poppy Coburn: Yeah, of course. So the reason I wrote it is, obviously this is a very difficult time for the Conservative Party. So I think most of what you’re hearing in the media is about kind of the economic packages that Truss and Kwarteng have been putting forward, arguments over the future of leveling up, whether or not the labor threats going to be happening, foreign policy issues.

 

But there’s one thing that’s really been ignored, and it’s been ignored for quite a few years, and that’s immigration! And I think the real reason that immigration has been ignored, something I bring up in the piece, is that after we won the Brexit referendum, after the Leave vote won, people kind of assume that we were in safe hands.

 

We know that public opinion has shown that consistently, people vote for governments that are saying we will have lower immigration. All of the polling supports this. 70% of Conservative voters have said that they want to limit immigration under 100,00 a year. This is something that Mattie Goodwin’s done some polling on recently.

And I did a little bit of digging. And if you go through the manifestos of every successful government in the past 30 years, each manifesto says:

 

“We pledge to reduce the number of immigrants.”

 

And every government since then has increased the numbers! So this is a gigantic demographic change that has been done entirely without public consent.

 

And I think if we do see the polls being correct that the Conservative government is going to be wiped out the next election, perhaps too early to say, but it’s looking likely. I think there’s going to be a lot of soul searching done on behalf of Conservative activists which said:

 

“We’ve been government for twelve years, and every promise we have held on immigration, we failed on!”

 

And I don’t think it’s something that can be ignored anymore. I think this is a real area of policy that anybody who is passionate about, not even just Conservative policies, but about democracy, about people being heard, you have to focus on this! You can’t put it to the side anymore. So that’s what really prompted me to start writing about this.

 

Peter Whittle: In a way, what you’re saying, of course, sort of can’t be denied. But what is your own personal feeling about it? I mean, do you think that it is also one of the most important issues facing the country?

 

Poppy Coburn: I’d say it’s the existential issue! I would say it is the existential issue of our time. It’s something that I would say personally, I’m deeply invested in.

 

Peter Whittle: Why?

 

Poppy Coburn: I would say the reason behind that is something you never really hear this discussed in media, right? But if you’re a young person growing up in Britain today, things aren’t looking very good for you and I think one of the major reasons you can draw that back to is immigration.

 

So I’m a graduate, I graduated last year. That puts me at the marginal rate of tax, same level as a top earner. So, top city banker, I’m paying the same marginal rate of tax as he is. And I knew that, you know, when I joined up to university.

 

But then you start to think:

 

“Well, why are we paying all this money for our university education?”

 

Now, you can draw that back to immigration. Post 1992, when the university is liberalised. This was a big Blairite push. We’re going to get 50% of all young people going to university. This is a big social reform. And that was done. And then the justification was given:

 

“Well, now we have so many students, they’re going to have to pay their own way.”

 

Now, it’s increasingly becoming clear that a lot of these post 90, 92 universities are not providing the level of educational benefit that they’re promising to students. Right?

 

So you think, well, how are these universities staying open? Surely there can’t be enough people going to them. So I did a little bit of research and I’ve actually written a piece on it. Should be coming out soon. And I focused in on two universities.

 

So one was Middlesex, one was Bedfordshire, bottom of their league tables. Now, they both take around a third of their student body are foreign students, coming from abroad. And 75% of their students are postgraduates.

 

They also both offer one year Master’s courses, very, very cheap, under £10,000. Now, why are people taking these Masters courses?

 

Well, they’re coming here, right, because if you do a Master’s course for a year, you get a two year study visa. This was liberalized under Boris Johnson. You can bring dependents along as well. And through that back channel, people are entering the country, right? So this is one way in which young people are paying for this, because we’re paying to prop up these universities. Our fees are literally going to prop up these universities that should no longer exist, that are not doing what they’re saying on the tin.

 

Now, another thing I’ve noticed, I’ve moved to London, like so many other young people looking for work. And I would say about half of my wages go on rent. We have a serious housing crisis in the country. I consider myself to be like a yumby [?], I want there to be more housing developed, but it’s a very fraughtful political issue.

 

And everybody I’ve spoken to on this issue who will say:

 

“Yes, we’ve got this housing crisis.”

 

I will say:

 

“Well, that’s in part because of immigration, right?”

 

“Oh, well, no, that doesn’t play a part.”

 

But of course it plays a part! I mean, last year, for the first time ever, we gave out more than a million visas! By social and economic means, people tend to concentrate in cities and they migrate. Of course there’s competition there. Nobody’s really making these links, where immigration is not just something about boosting GDP. It affects every aspect of life! It affects the NHS, the Welfare State, education, all of these things! And nobody seems to be talking about it.

 

Peter Whittle: I fully agree with your analysis, your frustration, actually about it. Because I remember when I saw the London Assembly, housing would come up all the time. And it was clear as a bell that if London was at that time, the population was increasing exponentially, and there was not enough housing, but nobody would talk about what you might call the demand side. It was always the supply side. Should we be on brownfield sites or not?

 

It was never about the fact that obviously if you’ve got a massively increasing population.

 

But when you say people say:

 

“Oh, well, no, it’s not really to do that.”

 

Are you talking about people in the political sphere, or your peer group? Because it seems to me there’s a kind of denial, apart from everywhere else in the country, it seems to me, they all seem to understand these things.

 

Poppy Coburn: I mean, to be honest with you, I think there is this generalization of my generation, which would be generation Z, which say, we’re already, you know, woke, Left wing, whatever you want to call it. I don’t necessarily think that’s true. I think that is a generalization. And I think that you’re going to start to see as more people are graduating and going into the workforce and thinking:

 

“I haven’t got good prospects, I haven’t got much money, and I’ve got this government that just seems totally uninterested in me.”

 

How can you then be surprised that people are moving towards more radical ideologies?

 

I mean, people feel that they’ve got no stake in the country.

 

Peter Whittle: Yeah.

 

Poppy Coburn: And that’s why, when I wrote in this piece, we really can’t ignore the role that the Conservative government has played in creating this immigration crisis. We’ve had twelve years of Conservative government.

 

David Cameron, in his manifesto, 2010, before he got into power, he wrote that he wanted to take immigration levels back to what they were in the in the 90s. In the 90s we had immigration levels that were about 10,000 or so net, every year. And a Blair, they hit about 200,000, net every year.

 

Cameron gets elected and liberalizes immigration policy again. There’s no reduction in numbers. No reduction. There’s an increase in numbers! Same thing for Teresa May happened. But Theresa May at least still keeps up the:

 

“Well, we’re going to try and bring numbers down, and we’re going to try and do it through the hostile environment policy.”

 

And then you get Brexit, and post Brexit deal, Boris Johnson.

 

Boris Johnson pretty much just says:

 

“You know what? We obviously aren’t going to do anything about this. We’re coasting on our reputation as Bre excite rs.”

 

So people, voters, naively assumed that their concerns would be listened to.

 

And what I mentioned before about that educational mobilization of student visas, that was done under Boris Johnson! This is supposed to be our Brexit leader. I mean, let’s not beat around the bush here. People voted for Brexit to take back control! Take back control of their borders!

 

Peter Whittle: They’re kind of recalibrating. So that control actually means, it doesn’t mean less, that’s what they’re now saying. It means that we actually are making the decisions, which is entirely different! You can say that’s controlling. But in fact they’re controlling it in the way that it’s utterly opposed to how most people thought it was going to be.

 

I mean, when people look at this, you’ve given us a survey of all those years. When people look at it, you can understand why people start to wonder:

 

“What is going on here, actually? Why? Why will they not? Why indeed are they increasing?”

 

What would you say to them?

 

Poppy Coburn: Well, there are two arguments for this. I’ve seen a lot of people say that there’s the economic belief that immigration brings all of these economic benefits to the country. Now, I’ve written about this before. If immigration is such “economic rocket fuel”, well, then why have we been in a 15 year productivity slump?

 

And one of the reasons for that is the thing is when you are importing a lot of low and middle skilled migrants, it creates this perverse incentive for companies not to invest in capital. And you’re really starting to see the consequences of that now. So the UK is really lagging behind many other EU member states in terms of our investment in technology. And this is something that economists have really started to point out and you can actually see a direct link to our massive upswing in immigration and reduction in capital investment. There’s a very clear relationship there.

 

So, you know, you can kind of back that aside and say that there are economic arguments against immigration. The government knows this, I think they know this, I would say that it is more justified in their mind as a “social good”. They see it as almost a humanitarian act.

 

Because if they were looking at this as something we need to do to boost the economy, well, then we would have something like the Singapore Visa system, which is half. If you are in Singapore with a work visa, if you leave your job, in seven days, you’re out! You have to leave the country! Workers don’t have, almost no rights at all. They’re considered foreign residents, they live in barracks on the outside of town. That is, their immigration system, certainly boosts their economy. That’s certainly not what we’re doing here.

 

I think they are, Truss in particular, and Boris Johnson, these are libertarians. They believe in immigration as a social good! And they are very out of step with what the average voter thinks. But I think they’ve been dishonest. I think they have got by for a very long time on saying one thing, and doing another. And that’s not how politics works.

 

Peter Whittle: I think when people talk about an ideologically based government, it’s hard to disagree, because apparently most voters now are round about, Leftwards economically, and then on cultural issues more to the Right. Libertarians are exactly the way around in a way. And I feel that they don’t even really care so much. Even when you come to the kind of cohesion arguments, the culture arguments, they don’t care, do they?

 

Poppy Coburn: Well, then we can bring up the example of what’s been going on in Leicester, in the last couple of weeks. This is a very clear example of failure, of integration. This is inevitable! This is what happens when you have unrestrained immigration, and you allow people to settle in areas where they are not properly integrated, where they have no interest in integrating. Nor so does local government have any interest in integrating.

 

I mean, a lot of the problem with Leicester was sectarian violence. And if you could see some of the videos on social media, you see police officers kind of stand to the side, while people are shouting Hindu and Muslim sectarian slogans. And they are carrying out essentially ethnic battles from the Indian subcontinent in Leicester! How can you not say that that is something that is concerning for local people? I mean, of course it is.

 

Peter Whittle: I think it’s something as well that’s going to increase, actually.

 

Poppy Coburn: Absolutely! Absolutely!

 

Peter Whittle: There’s no question about that this is obviously a huge issue, but is it something that you’ve been interested in for a long time? And when did you get interested in politics, then? Actually?

 

Poppy Coburn: Well, I think I’ve always been quite political, but you may find it slightly surprising. At university I was a very big environmental activist.

 

Peter Whittle: Now, I’ve heard of “little bird stop”. You were in Extinction Rebellion, is that right?

 

Poppy Coburn: I [chuckling] was!

 

Peter Whittle: We should go through that.

 

Poppy Coburn: So I went to Cambridge. So I matriculated in 2018. As soon as I joined, first thing I did was turning up to a group called “Cambridge Zero Carbon”. And it was essentially, it was an Extinction Rebellion, but as a university society. So I spent a lot of time going on Marches, being really involved in kind of Left leaning student politics.

 

So I’ve always been political. But my political opinions have evolved. I was a very big supporter of Jeremy Corbyn. I was absolutely devastated the night he lost the election. I actually described it as being one of the worst nights of my life.

 

Peter Whittle: Really?

 

Poppy Coburn: Yes!

 

Peter Whittle: That’s quite a journey, in a short space of time, I suppose?

 

Poppy Coburn: Yes, it is, I suppose. But there have been certain things that I’ve always, you know. I’ve always been populist. I’ve always supported Brexit, for one. I consider myself to be a Bre excite are, but I’ve always supported that. I’ve always backed people I’ve considered to be antiestablishment insurgents, people offering something fresh to British government. I’ve never liked the kind of Westminster lobby types. I think they are at fault for a lot of the decline we’ve seen in the last couple of decades. So I have jumped, certainly like cs.

 

Peter Whittle: Like in being in the environmentalist movement and Extinction Rebellion, because it’s pretty much always in the news now. But we just had this incident with one of the activists cs.

 

Poppy Coburn: Captain Tom.

 

Peter Whittle: Yes. Defiling the monument of Captain Tom Moore, with excrement. I mean, did you meet people like that?

 

Poppy Coburn: It’s funny that you mentioned this, because I’ve kind of been thinking about this in the past couple of days. And I was seeing this back when I was doing my activism. So this was a couple of years ago, it would have been about 2018, 2019. And what you were seeing were increasingly groups were splitting away from mainstream environmental groups like Extinction Rebellion, and they wanted something more radical.

 

And what you have to understand is the mindset of these people and myself at that time, when you are being told the world is going to end, you start to think:

 

“Well, if the world’s going to end, why are we just satting about on a bridge somewhere blocking cars? We should be doing something far more extreme!”

 

Now, prior to 2001, the 9/11 attacks, the most monitored terrorist groups were environmental groups. They were considered to be the greatest threat. Then for a few decades, it was the threat of Islamist terrorism. But I think in the next decade or so, we’re going to start to see environmental terrorism going back to the top.

 

So I think that particular example of the obviously very mentally disturbed young woman doing that, protest against, protests, if you can even call it that, I think you’re going to start to see more radicalized people in the environmental movement who are going towards these more extreme, dark corners. And I think the government should be deeply, deeply concerned about this!

 

Peter Whittle: It’s interesting you say that, actually, if you’re a young person and you are told all the time the war is going to end, actually that pretty much legitimizes extreme action.

 

Poppy Coburn: Mm.

 

Peter Whittle: That was obviously going to be your motivation. But also people around you, as well? I mean, you know, people you’re growing up, did it have that same effect on them?

 

Poppy Coburn: I think it takes a certain type of personality to be so taken up in this. But I would say if you talk to anybody really of my generation, and a little bit younger, they will have these very apocalyptic visions of the future.

 

Now, what I will say in defense of my generation, the leadership of all of these movements are very old! So when I was actually walking over, a few hours ago, I saw that around Westminster the streets have been blocked off by Just Stop Oil protesters. And every single one of them had silver hair! They were all over the age of 60!

 

Now, if you look at the anti-fracking protesters, same thing, all over 60!

 

The idea that this is like a “grassroots movement” coming up from young people, that’s not necessarily true. Young people have a right to be concerned about the future of the world, and the future of the government. But the people who are leading a lot of this wacky stuff, that’s not my generation.

 

Peter Whittle: This seems more of a class thing to me. They seem to be pretty solidly middle class.

 

Poppy Coburn: Yeah, I would say middle class, middle aged, perhaps unemployed, too much time on their hands. I mean, that goes for pretty much all activists.

 

But, yeah, I do think the more radicalized, of course you’re going to see younger people. That’s going to be the young people who are getting swept up in this. And I think it’s really sad. It’s really sad!

 

Peter Whittle: If that was what you were doing, do you not believe in any of it at all now, in the environmental thing, or what’s your position now?

 

Poppy Coburn: I think the problem is environmentalism is a very complex issue. And I think it’s sort of a thing that it will have a technocratic solution. You know, it is not the sort of thing that you, as an ordinary person, have much sway over. Because by its very nature, it is trans-national. It is extremely complex, and is dealing with, like, the levers of international capital and finance.

 

It’s not something that you can even start to address by recycling, or marching down the street with a megaphone, and calling on the government. I mean, to do what?

 

This is such a complex issue that I think it’s quite concerning that already you’re starting to see electorate turn against green options, because you’ve got this insane leadership! Like someone like Roger Hallam, who used to lead Extinction Rebellion. People that are glueing themselves outside the Houses of Parliament, or blocking roads. Everyone just thinks:

 

“Well, these are just a bunch of silly, middle class, hippies. I’m not going to pay attention to them!”

 

But it’s a real issue, it’s going to impact us all. It should be left to government. It shouldn’t be left to these extremely Left-wing activists who are using it as a package to push for very Left-wing policies.

 

Peter Whittle: Yeah, I mean, my experience anyway, of the Greens, actually. We said in fact, they were more Left wing than Jeremy Corbyn. The old saying, what is it, watermelons? Read on the inside. Essentially, a lot of Marxists, …

 

Poppy Coburn: Yes!

 

Peter Whittle: Went up into this area and took on a different mantle. Do I take it then, that you’re not, for example, in agreement about, say, Net Zero?

 

Poppy Coburn: Well, net zero is going to be disastrous for the average man on the street. And it’s going to be absolutely disastrous for the average man on the street. I think, you know, one of the massive problems of the environmentalist movement has been the turn away from nuclear energy, and it frustrates me to no end.

 

And it’s because people have accepted that decline is inevitable. We’ve basically said, the only way we’re going to be able to deal with all of these problems is by shrinking the economy, shrinking our power on the international stage, and essentially just giving up.

 

And that’s not just an environmentalist thing that’s I think the dominant mindset of your average state official today is decline. Is decline! There’s no idea of taking control, taking the mantle and actually pushing for pro-growth, green growth, but actual green growth. No talk about nuclear energy, no talk about, like, actually dealing with China or India, you know, actually really cracking down on it.

 

It’s just well, we’re going to have to, like, scale everything back and the next generation is going to have to accept being poorer. And they won’t. They simply won’t. You can’t expect to have another generation of Conservative voters, if they are just being left out in the cold, which is what’s happening.

 

Peter Whittle: Yes, it is hard not to see that the younger people. I mean, when I think, for example, of traveling. Just the expense of it now. And you look back and think:

 

“God, we were very luckier! We had this sort of extraordinary gold era of travel.”

 

Tell me a bit about your actual background. Where did you grow up?

 

Poppy Coburn: I was born in Southend. I’m an Essex girl. But I lived in Maldon, which is a small town in North Essex. I went to a comprehensive school. I was quite geeky from an early age. It stood out like a sore thumb, really. Then went to a grammar school for sixth form in Colchester. And then went off to Cambridge. And it was an absolute culture shock.

 

I found myself feeling very desperately wanting to keep up with my peers, who tended to be quite Left leaning, wealthy. I couldn’t believe that they all had parents that were voting Remain, for example. They were so out of touch with even just your average Middle Englander.

 

I found that quite fascinating. So I think that really entrenched in me this anti establishment feeling. Because you are made to feel slightly like an outsider, even when you do claw your way into these institutions.

 

Peter Whittle: Did you like it, though? Did you enjoy your time there?

 

Poppy Coburn: Well, I would say it was difficult because the pandemic hit in my second year.

 

Peter Whittle: Oh, of course.

 

Poppy Coburn: So as much as I loved my course, I adored my course. It was one of those early signs that things weren’t going to be fun. As a young person in the UK, you realize that you are being asked to make these horrendous sacrifices, for no real game.

 

And I think, like so many other young people, I fell into this horrendous, you know, dark kind of feeling of like, hopelessness. It was very, very difficult!

 

Peter Whittle: What actually was the sort of day to day reality of being a college student during the pandemic? Everything done remotely, presumably.

 

Poppy Coburn: Yeah.

 

Peter Whittle: Was that what it was? You just sat in your room and just had lectures and things?

 

Poppy Coburn: Pretty much. So I had asked to go back because I didn’t have enough space at home to work. I didn’t have this massive, gigantic house! I could have my own study to work in. So I had to come back. But that meant I was living alone in my dorms. I wasn’t allowed to go out and walk around, I wasn’t allowed to speak to the other people at the college. I was sat in my room all day.

 

And that had just the most horrendous impact!

 

Peter Whittle: I imagine.

 

Poppy Coburn: It really, really did! And I think in the next decade or so, we’re really going to start to see the effects of that. Not just on my age group, which just about got the tail end of it on our education experience. But I always think about the people who have had their GCs disrupted, their A levels disrupted, or even primary school children. The impact it’s had on education and socialization has just been absolutely disastrous! And for what? It was a very, very difficult time!

 

Peter Whittle: I’ve been thinking a lot about this myself recently, and I think I’d rather underestimated the general impact it had on me too. I got this great sense of foreboding that nothing was actually going to go back to being what it was. And to an extent, obviously, it has. Although there is this feeling of things have had the stuffing knocked out of them. Yeah, I still have that feeling.

 

Poppy Coburn: I think we almost accepted this fatalistic narrative of, like, this is what the world’s going to be like now? Things are just bleak. I mean, can you think of a single person who’s optimistic about the future, at the moment?

 

Peter Whittle: I think most people don’t seem to think about the future at all.

 

Poppy Coburn: I know. I think we’ve almost been stuck in the politics of “Now”. Just getting through the week, just getting through the month, and the next paycheck. Just getting through the next government.

 

I mean, who has a vision for the future anymore? Not to draw too heavily upon my Left wing roots, but a quote I come back to quite often, something that Karl Marx actually wrote, one of his letters to Engels, which is:

 

“The bourgeoisie used to think in terms of hundreds of years. Now it can barely think in terms of a decade.”

 

Well, then I would amend that and say that the elite class now can’t even think of the next week or so. it’s just crisis to crisis, to crisis! There is no vision for Britain anymore. It is just decline.

 

Peter Whittle: Can I ask, we’ve been doing some filming recently and it’s basically about young people, … I just feel terribly condescending, young people, … It’s about basically indoctrination that happens in schools, and things. And yet some people seem to come through it, and come through university, whether it’s because they are strong minded or individual whatever, somehow unscathed by this process.

 

Do you think that that is a correct analysis? There are people like yourself, you’re writing for Telegraph now you were writing for UnHeard. Okay, you were Left wing once. What would you call yourself now?

 

Poppy Coburn: Well, I describe myself as a progressive. But I’m not a progressive in any sense of the terms, … I believe in pretty much making Britain a superpower again! I want to see it going forward. I don’t want to be stuck in the past, right.

 

Peter Whittle: Well, great! Basically, when young people often get in touch with me and they sort of say:

 

“I’m the only one, I don’t like wokery. I’m not on the Left. But everyone else seems to be around me.”

 

What should they do? What advice would you give them?

 

Poppy Coburn: What I would say is, it is very very difficult to be the first person that stands up and says:

 

“I don’t agree with this!”

 

When I broke away from the orthodoxy, when I was at university, I suddenly found myself extremely isolated.

 

Peter Whittle: Really?

 

Poppy Coburn: Which is understandable. I’d been working with these people for years on our political campaigns. And I started to waver, sort of thing. I don’t think this is right anymore.

 

Suddenly I found myself out in the cold. That’s really, really, tough! It does take strength of character to get through that. But what I would say is, you’re not alone. Because I think more and more people now are quietly coming to the conclusion that this isn’t right. It’s the social dynamics punish you as an individual for standing up and saying:

 

“I disagree!”

 

But the more people that do, it the less power this kind of pressure has on other people. Which is why it’s so important, if you are young, if you are doubting this orthodoxy, if you’re strong enough, stand up and say it! Don’t be afraid.

 

Because people around you, even if they don’t tell you, will be taking notice. But it does take strength of character and it can affect your life. It can affect your friendships. Your relationships. Your job. It’s not something you should take lightly.

 

But I certainly think if you want to go into journalism, or politics, if you’re too afraid to do it now, then maybe it’s not the Right career for you.

 

Peter Whittle: Would you say, you’ve gone into journalism, because actually you’re doing lots of different things, aren’t you? You’re a producer GB News? But it seems to me that that is one area of journalism where it would be very hard to actually say to somebody to try and make a living at it. Do you think that’s true?

 

Poppy Coburn: Oh, yeah, absolutely! I mean, it’s a sacrifice. It has to be a passion project for you. It certainly is for me.

 

What I would say as well is there’s a real temptation to, once you enter this kind of political world, to say what other people are saying. So you get invited to the dinner parties, you go to the conference circuit. You know that when you walk into a room, you agreeing with all the people around you.

 

But then I think, well, why bother? Go into finance, and make a load of money in the City! Unless you are absolutely passionate about something, you’ve got a vision for the country you want to see. Well, if it’s in any decent vision, it’s going to upset some people. If you’re not upsetting people, you’re probably not doing it right.

 

Peter Whittle: You say that yours is to see Britain being a superpower.

 

Poppy Coburn: Yeah.

 

Peter Whittle: Well, I think that’s the first time I’ve heard someone on this channel say that.

 

Poppy Coburn: Yeah.

 

Peter Whittle: Just broadly speaking, what are the steps to that? I know let’s have a series! But what has to change fundamentally, do you think? I think one of the most demoralizing things we live with is this culture self-loathing, which is not shared by most people in this country, but it certainly is by the elites, if you like.

 

Poppy Coburn: It’s to say that it can be done! That is the first thing you must do, is to accept that fatalism has no place in politics anymore. It is doable to push for that identity. I mean, you can look at the Italian elections, right? The election of Giorgia Meloni. Who would have thought that this woman could have taken power in Italy? She’s pushing for things that I may not agree with everything with it.

 

The most important thing, she has a vision for Italy. She wants Italy to be powerful again. We don’t have any politicians like that, really, in the UK. I’ve written about this before. Like, who’s the English Ceasar? Who do we have that’s got a really strong vision to transform the country and to turn it into something great again? It just takes a few people to stand up and say:

 

“That is what I believe in!”

 

It’s not enough to just complain about the Left. That’s what I essentially believe.

 

Peter Whittle: No, it’s not, indeed. I couldn’t agree more. But it can be very comfortable just for [word unclear]. What about you? I mean, would you have a stand for anything, election?

 

Poppy Coburn: I would hope so, in the future?

 

Peter Whittle: Oh you will?

 

Poppy Coburn: Yes, in the future.

 

Peter Whittle: Put your money where your mouth is?

 

Poppy Coburn: Oh, yes, certainly! But probably not now. I can’t imagine anybody would like to be lectured to by someone of my age, but I do it [chuckling] anyway!

 

Peter Whittle: Absolutely. Well, look, we shall follow your progress.

 

Poppy Coburn: Thank you.

 

Peter Whittle: And I have to say, it’s very good to hear such optimism, really is! Thank you very much for coming.

 

Poppy Coburn: Thank you.

 

Peter Whittle: That’s Poppy Coburn there. We shall see you next week. And in the meantime, have a good time. Okay? Bye.

 

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782 Comments

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Alexander Johns
1 day ago
Great to hear a younger person acknowledging the truths about immigration that the establishment and media deny exists.
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Froot Mcgoose
1 day ago
Hear! Hear!
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ahsen khan
1 day ago
…and right-wing racism in general doesn’t solve it either.
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Corayn Bell
1 day ago (edited)
@ahsen khan Nothing about racism. I don’t know why you brought it into the conversation. It is because we have our own people who have paid into the system who have nowhere to live, insufficient doctors, schools and many using the Health Service which they have paid nothing into. Also many foreigners come and do not want to embrace the language, culture, history and the morals of the British people! I could go on but you should get the message!
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Ni Cnaimhin
1 day ago
@ahsen khan Those tired old labels don’t work anymore, except among the deluded & misguided. Let us know your actual agenda, rather than projecting your own failings on to the host community . Come on – be honest!
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ahsen khan
1 day ago
@Ni Cnaimhin = Joke
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Merc Type-8
1 day ago
@ahsen khan If immigration continues as it is ‘right wing racism’ will be the least of the worries.
It’s as if accusing Britain of being racist for so long, to no avail, has prompted some in Government to force us to be, in order to protect our families, homes and communities.
The court cases sayng Rwanda is not safe for immigrants, only prove what Britain must do to solve the problem.
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Ni Cnaimhin
1 day ago
@ahsen khan Joke ?No – I’m perfectly serious .
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ahsen khan
1 day ago
@Ni Cnaimhin serious ?

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ahsen khan
1 day ago
@Merc Type-8 Did I Accuse the entire British else as racist
But yes Right winged is more problem than immagrants
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Ni Cnaimhin
1 day ago
@ahsen khan For you.
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ahsen khan
1 day ago
@Ni Cnaimhin yes I am Serious
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barrie watson
1 day ago
@ahsen khan it would damm well change somthing .
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barrie watson
1 day ago
@ahsen khan you are talking rubbish sir
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David Adiwego
1 day ago
@Ni Cnaimhin the deluded & misguided are calling most of the shots in this country, either directly or indirectly. And they’re of all walks of life and political leanings. Here’s a typical conservative leaning person’s delusion: (with bellow-replacement birth rates, thanks to women’s-lib, and an aging population, thanks to the national and governmental denial of/fight against natural death) the UK shouldn’t have mass immigration, AND shouldn’t have a managed GDP and geo-political decline to that of a nation of 40 million people.
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philip rufus
1 day ago
@ahsen khan You would’nt know a negative right winger if one jumped up and bit you in the A – – you’v never seen one junior,trust me neither have I. My late fathers generation fought them,we know nowt.
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Billy Moffat
22 hours ago
@ahsen khan sorry dude you need some spelling correction, otherwise we are losing shit in translation.

cib kur kur
19 hours ago
sunak will bring more computer workers to uk.

Blue Sky
18 hours ago
@Corayn Bell
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G Bentley
1 day ago
Breath of fresh air. It is so refreshing to hear a young person deliver a thoughtful, reasoned and articulate argument for and against topics of the day. On brexit she was spot on.
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Colin Lawless
1 day ago
Immigration is by far Britain’s biggest issue since world war 2.
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
We got captured by the Global American Empire and its open borders Globalisation project in 1945 and never broke free.
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Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
Isolated Britain hs no more say since WW2 when became an american colony
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Steven Farrall
1 day ago
Oh, make it five. Total abject and unremitting total government and bureaucratic failure.
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Neil Saunders
1 day ago
@Evola’s Sunglasses Exactly!
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Neil Saunders
1 day ago
Yes.
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Unloved otto
1 day ago
Beautiful based girl .
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S North
1 day ago (edited)
@Didier Lemoine The issue has little to do with Americans, though the individuals in charge of American Finance and Banking most certainly do have everything to answer for.
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Rab Mcleod
1 day ago
Thank you Peter and Poppy for common sense conversation.
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Adetola Ayodele
1 day ago
I am a Black African with 5 daughters at the University of Newcastle., the youngest being 18. We got into the country last June

S North
1 day ago
@Adetola Ayodele Do the Math, you could not possibly have 5 daughters attend University at the same time unless you had 2 pairs of twins, is that what you are expecting people to believe, lol.
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Adetola Ayodele
1 day ago
@S North , trust me, I do. It is a feat which I struggle to believe; myself. All our savings from Nigeria are almost gone though. I have two wives.

S North
1 day ago
@Adetola Ayodele Of course you did and of course you do.
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Adetola Ayodele
1 day ago
@S North ok big pants.

Alastair McMurray
1 day ago
With appropriate backing she will go far. It’s lovely to hear someone with conviction and a vision for our country.
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Timothy Martin
1 day ago
How utterly refreshing to hear Poppy Coburn saying what I have been thinking for a long time. Listening to her has been a therapy session, with my delusion that I am the only person who seems to think this country is in a self destruct race to self destruction. I feel like the sunshine of hope for the future has just appeared over the Horizon. Poppy thank you, and PLEASE go into politics, as we desperately need politicians who give a damn about our country.
Make Britain Great Again.
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Ann Chadwick
1 day ago
Thank you Timothy
You speak my thoughts
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Timothy Martin
1 day ago
@Ann Chadwick
You’re very welcome Ann
We are NOT alone
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Hugh Muir
1 day ago
Politicians are not willing to face the fact that in order to limit immigration we must leave the ECHR.
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Graham T
Graham T
1 day ago
They know exactly what they’re doing, that is the worry. It’s all very sinister. That’s why the people have to vote for an alternative, before it’s too late to turn the tide.
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STEVE WEEDEN
1 day ago
Irrelevant what we belong to.
Political will and a love for your culture is what’s required.
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Ni Cnaimhin
1 day ago
Get rid of that sinister 1951 UN treaty on immigration/ asylum seekers too!
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Jujutrini
1 day ago
Not true at all.

Norfolk Sceptic
1 day ago
Suella Braverman MP knows that it is the only way.

goldeneddie
1 day ago
It’s no accident and not ‘incompetence’ that is driving these people to damage and dismantle our country, because – as they openly admit – they want to ‘Build Back Better’. And ‘building back’ can only occur after demolition
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Al Mac
Al Mac
1 day ago
Nailed it!!
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mazpac
1 day ago
The great reset!
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P.G. Reitsma
1 day ago
Precisely. They meet every year in Davos and things become worse in the developed nations.
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Amanda Morton-King
1 day ago (edited)
Peter Whittle again showing what an excellent interviewer he is; allowing the interviewee time and the security to clearly express themselves whilst still being asked challenging questions.
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Ann Chadwick
1 day ago
He always gives his guests time to fully express their thoughts
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Garry Irvin
1 day ago
When I become PM, he will be my Chief of Staff…..
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jrbs
1 day ago
The Conservative politicians have ignored everything that Party Members want.
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Karen Mancina
1 day ago
They certainly have
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mazpac
1 day ago
Even now – the politicians wanted Sunak, the party members wanted Truss, so they are working to undermine us and get their way as usual!
Their arrogance cannot be ignored but as the two main parties are technically the same, it’s difficult to overcome.
But we must!
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RaggyCat
1 day ago
Poppy gives me hope for the future of our country. All is not lost.
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Robert Reynolds
1 day ago
Absolutely correct ,I will be voting for the Reform Party. They cannot be any worse than the current Parties ,and hopefully we will get rid of the old guard.
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Vinn Paraffin
1 day ago
Tories mk2!

Robert Reynolds
1 day ago
@Vinn Paraffin And your suggestion is ?
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Gill PS
1 day ago
They will do as they are told, if not from within, from without. Banks. How everything alters evrry time someone gets into power.
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Maponus Reborn
1 day ago
What is happening to our nation is positively insane. How much more of the wrong sort of immigration can our small – repeat – small island take??? When will the penny finally drop?
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goldeneddie
1 day ago
They KNOW what they’re doing. It’s no accident and not ‘incompetence’ that is driving these people to damage and dismantle our country, because – as they openly admit – they want to ‘Build Back Better’. And ‘building back’ can only occur after demolition
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
From Ireland to Sweden the European is being demographically replaced.
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Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
@Evola’s Sunglasses no Britain needs 2 millions african low cost migrants to replace too expensif british workers asking for pay rise !
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Peter France
1 day ago
@Evola’s Sunglasses For no positive reason
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Peter France
1 day ago
@Didier Lemoine Apparently Britain needs 70 million africans, and it looks like Britain will get them too.
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Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
@Peter France yes they all want to come to Britain from speaking english countries
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WhiskyJackAttack 88
1 day ago
What the hell are you saying lmao

DanDob
1 day ago
@Didier Lemoine no thanks we don’t want to lose our identity like France has.
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S North
1 day ago
@Evola’s Sunglasses Indeed, though it is merely an ‘attempt’ to demographically replace, and that attempt has been, and is to be, thwarted.

cyclist68
13 hours ago
@Evola’s Sunglasses Correct, I was shocked when an Irish friend told me what was going on there and the numbers.

Peter France
1 day ago
It is a gigantic demographic change that has been carried out expressly against the public’s wishes. Consistently and knowingly.
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HABU1
21 hours ago (edited)
I would disagree to a large extent Peter…..well off pensioners, (and middle aged) students, and the many many people whose I.Q is not brilliant, don’t give a shit.

Peter France
11 hours ago
@HABU1 Let’s have a referendum on the matter.

Heracles
1 day ago
On this one issue failure alone the Tories would have lost the next election
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Peter France
1 day ago
To paraphrase the great Groucho Marx: If that issue doesn’t persuade you, well they have others.
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Stu McCabe
1 day ago
If drastic action on immigration isn’t taken soon, in 20 or 30 years this country might degenerate into two or more distinct communities in conflict, like Northern Ireland on a giant scale. Or new political parties based on religion/race might arise – we could end up with a government that makes Sharia the law of the land. The low fertility rate of native Brits guarantees that we will become a minority this century. I can’t think of a more vital issue.
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Baron Ortega
1 day ago
It’s already happened in Belgium
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Peter France
1 day ago
In other words true multiculturalism. A magnificent achievement.
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cyclist68
13 hours ago
Notice how demographics and the huge changes we are seeing is the one subject they never allow you to bring up. Including at “The home of free speech” Talkradio.
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Cybertronian Savant
1 day ago
Gives a glimmer of hope to see that there’s at least a few in the younger generations that are able to think ahead.
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Bewildered Brit
Bewildered Brit
1 day ago
Everyone scratching their heads about the housing crisis are just playing stupid. This is all DELIBERATE.
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Gail Platt
1 day ago
I certainly seems so, but why would they be so stupid, so damaging towards the country?
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devlinX
1 day ago
People like this young lady need to find like-minded individuals and start a new political party/movement with logic instead of feelings at the heart of it.
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Clark Ramsey
1 day ago (edited)
THIS YOUNG LADY IS PERFECTLY CORRECT, WE VOTED FOR BREXIT TO TAKE BACK OUR BORDERS, & BORIS THE BUFFOON IGNORED THE PEOPLE WHO VOTED THEM IN. .
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Mr Ror
1 day ago
You voted brexit to control immigration, others voted brexit for the exact opposite reason.
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Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
Britain needs millions of low cost african migrants
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David Paterson
1 day ago
“Take back control” was about EU FOM, not all immigration (how could leaving the EU affect migration from India?). If you cut off the nearest and easiest source of legal migration to a country with low unemployment and a skills shortage, then you are likely to increase the flow of legal migrants from the rest of the world – which is exactly what has happened. Illegal migration is a separate issue altogether but again, removing yourself from the agreement (“Dublin” agreement) that compelled EU countries to take back migrants who had no legitimate claim in the U.K. was hardly going to help.
If you thought that voting for a Brexit would reduce immigration overall, you were mistaken, that wasn’t even a Leave campaign promise – only the “point based system” and ending FOM – both of which have been delivered.
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David Paterson
1 day ago
“Take back control” was about EU FOM, not all immigration (how could leaving the EU affect migration from India?). If you cut off the nearest and easiest source of legal migration to a country with low unemployment and a skills shortage, then you are likely to increase the flow of legal migrants from the rest of the world – which is exactly what has happened. Illegal migration is a separate issue altogether but again, removing yourself from the agreement (“Dublin” agreement) that compelled EU countries to take back migrants who had no legitimate claim in the U.K. was hardly going to help.
If you thought that voting for a Brexit would reduce immigration overall, you were mistaken, that wasn’t even a Leave campaign promise – only the “point based system” and ending FOM – both of which have been delivered.
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Mr Ror
1 day ago
@David Paterson you are spot on. Thank you for expressing these points so clearly. Brexiters are really slow on the uptake.
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Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
British r migrants too so

Stellar Jay Atkins
1 day ago
@David Paterson migration isn’t necessary, nor is it a “net positive”. Ever.
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Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
@Winston Smith do u really think all migrants r legal in Britain ? do u still believe in unicorns ?
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Norfolk Sceptic
1 day ago
@Winston Smith Her/his irony was too much for me as well
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Barra Zoot
1 day ago
@Didier Lemoine Troll
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Winston Smith
1 day ago
@Norfolk Sceptic There is irony, then there is mysticism.
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Jon Mould
1 day ago
@Didier Lemoine no way!!!

Susanna Marker
1 day ago
Buffoon, not bafoon.
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Clark Ramsey
1 day ago
@Susanna Marker TERRIBLEY SORRY, SUSANNA.

Susanna Marker
1 day ago
@Clark Ramsey Terribly, not terribley.
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David Paterson
1 day ago
@Stellar Jay Atkins I was replying to someone who seemed to believe that there was a relationship between Brexit and migration in general, which is not the case and was never claimed by the Leave campaign. You are of course entitled to your opinion on whether migration is necessary or has any value, but that wasn’t the subject.
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Jo Blog s
1 day ago
Thay we’re never going to let us leave.
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Neil Saunders
1 day ago
@Barra Zoot I think you’re right. At first, I thought he was merely dealing in heavy irony.
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Clark Ramsey
1 day ago
@Didier Lemoine WHY, WE HAVE ENOUGH YOUNG & OLDER PEOPLE TO TRAIN RIGHT HERE.
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Stellar Jay Atkins
1 day ago
@David Paterson most of the people pushing for it DID think it was about reducing immigration and controlling who could enter. One of the main faces of Brexit, Nigel Ferage also said things to that effect MANY times.
To claim there was no connection between the two is absurd.
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David Paterson
1 day ago
@Stellar Jay Atkins Oh indeed, Farage and others did INFER that, most notably in that poster of his – but anyone with any sense knew that Farage, not even an MP, was in no position to promise anything of the kind.. But the official Leave campaign emphatically did NOT promise that all immigration would be reduced. To do so would have been “absurd” – it would have been transparently obvious that leaving the EU had absolutely nothing whatever to do with non EU legal migration – how could it? If you are saying that the Brexit campaigners were very happy that many people mistakenly believed – you said “did think” – that and voted to Leave the EU because, absurdly, they imagined that had some connection with immigration from Nigeria or Pakistan then yes, I’m sure your right, of course they did. But believing something to be true that is self-evidently not true doesn’t make it true.
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jumble stiltskin
1 day ago
You might remember something from the night of brexit results. It was a huge surprise that cities like Birmingham voted heavily in favour of Brexit. It flummoxed the presenters and experts on the night, but the more astute noted that the reduction of immigration from Europe would mean an increase from south asian and African areas.
The establishment in government havent been slow in giving people what they voted for.
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David Paterson
13 hours ago
@Clark Ramsey No, unfortunately we don’t. U.K. unemployment is currently 3.7% and there are over 1.25 million vacancies. Unemployment much below 4% is generally reckoned by economists to be “full employment” because a) some of those counted as “out of work” are simply between jobs and b) every country has a fairly small number of people (in the U.K., maybe 500-750k) who are simply unemployable, for any number of reasons (frankly, some of them are just too dim to do most modern jobs and some lead chaotic lives). One of the reasons growth is low is that we simply don’t have enough people with the right skills to do the jobs that are already available. You can argue that we should “train the ones we have” – but who, exactly? Are we going to train the unemployable to be software engineers and get people out of retirement to train as nurses? Not as simple as shouting in all caps and waving a little flag.
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Mr Ror
11 hours ago
@Stellar Jay Atkins you and other brexiters got done over, admit it. I know it’s hard to admit.
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Mr Ror
11 hours ago
@Clark Ramsey using caps do not make your arguments any stronger.

Alexander Johns
1 day ago
Politicians seem to ensure that they serve themselves first, their outside interests next, their party third and their futures fourth. If any of those self interests happen in some way to benefit their constituents or the country that’s probably an unintended consequence.
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jimmy s
1 day ago
What a breath of fresh air this young woman is.
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Jonathan Spilhaus
1 day ago
We need someone like Giorgia Meloni or Kari Lake, who are strongly anti-immigration
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thomas robert
1 day ago
we need a hard right leader strong enough to ignore the political and establishment class and to give our people the kind of country we want not the crime ridden nightmare they are trying to force on us. MILLIONS are waiting for that leader, and MILLIONS are ready and willing to fight on our streets for the right leader and for our country, our women and our children, we are waiting for you an army of british people are waiting but you must be the real deal no more talkers we’ve had enough of them.
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Eric Boxer
1 day ago
Kari lake is ok but she ain’t gonna do it ..the uk needs a real radical
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Kshitij Sharma
1 day ago
Nigel farage ?
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Simon Stones
1 day ago
@thomas robert oh my god, where are these people, cause I don’t see them! I see a broken, compliant bunch with no back bone…
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Simon Stones
1 day ago
@S North well let’s hope so bruvs

Anthony Rigby
1 day ago
Brilliant ! A young person who has got a grip on the reality of what’s going on. Pity our political class can’t see it !
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thomas robert
1 day ago
they arrange, organise and run it you berk.
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Mike
1 day ago
When Sir Winston Churchill made his famous quote about Russia being a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma, he might as well have been talking about the Conservative Party and their policies.
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PGH Engineer
1 day ago
It’s not so difficult when you realise that almost all Conservative Party funding comes from a relatively small number of rich individuals and corporations. He who pays the piper calls the tune – that’s why they do it.
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Ellen O’Neill
1 day ago
Thank you Peter, Poppy Coburn and Eva Vlaardingerbroek are surely the future this country needs.
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1adebarde
1 day ago
At present there are not enough houses being built in Britain, yet in continues to accept wave after wave of illegal immigrants. You can’t really blame the French who have 1000s of immigrants on their shores waiting to come here, it’s because of Britain’s no border policy.
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Ni Cnaimhin
1 day ago (edited)
Let’s face it – this is a problem facing the whole continent of Europe.
We should applaud & highlight those brave leaders who have courageously stood up to the bullying Globalist elite of the Eu , & not permitted their countries to be used in this way – for one , take a bow Mr Victor Orban of Hungary!
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cyclist68
13 hours ago
Correct. If they were all desperate to get in to Scotland we wouldn’t be doing our best to keep them in Northumbria would we.

Clark Ramsey
1 day ago (edited)
I LOVE THIS YOUNG LADY, POPPY, SHE IS SPOT ON IN EVERY THING SHE SAYS, WHY CAN’T TRUSS, TAKE HER ON BOARD, WONDERFUL I COULD LISTEN TO HER ALL DAY, I FOR ONE WOULD VOTE FOR YOU POPPY.
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Ni Cnaimhin
1 day ago
Immigration under 100,000 ?!!
How about ZERO – for the next 25 years, as a pledge to make up for the damage , starting with Blair, that was done for the last 25!! This alongside a stringent policy of removal/ deportation of illegals, foreign criminals , etc – & also for those remaining,for the slightest infraction of our laws.
A policy of aid to more affected countries , to help build infrastructure & provide jobs , wild perhaps be a humane & practical approach, encouraging people to stay at home & develop their own countries. Exchanges for training/ skills development ok, as long as it is understood that this is temporary domicile .
How much does the NHS expend on translation services alone ??
These kind of ridiculous situations can not go on. Change should preferably be made , before change is forced upon us!
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jumble stiltskin
1 day ago
@Ni Cnaimhin indeed, working in the NHS I see the effects every day at work. Need a break from trying to integrate these people. It’s almost like the country is taking a modest punch to the liver over and over again and it will only hold out so long.
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Gary Marshall
1 day ago
I hope Poppy is more often on Culture Forum, she speaks for millions
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The Alternative View
1 day ago
Absolutely love this channel. Keep up the amazing work you guys do.
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Philip Ford
1 day ago
This is the very first time I’ve heard anyone bring up how immigration is handled by SE Asian governments. Not just Singapore – look anywhere in SE Asia and see governments which enforce their immigration laws. Well done, Poppy – this comparison needs to be made more often, and loudly.
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Geraldine Diggins
1 day ago
What an impressive young lady. So pleased to know that she is a producer at GB News and that she might be willing to throw her hat in the ring to help get this country on its feet again. Believe, visualise and DO. We need to have a “CAN DO” attitude which is far from prevalent in these times. Good luck Poppy Coburn and thank you Peter for introducing her to us.
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Steve Pearce
1 day ago
My main disagreement with Poppy is the establishment absolutely threads together the supply vs demand of immigration. It’s where their paycheque comes from. Look up an article in the spectator called the housing mafia that highlights the exact mechanism between politicians, land owners and housing construction.
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Milo Sander
1 day ago
Hooray!, Poppy
She shares my sentiment, make Britain a super power.
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Elk Paz
2 hours ago
I flinched at that but in truth if you’re not a super power, you’re under some else’s boot, so be powerful and spread the light.

Milo Sander
1 hour ago
@Elk Paz England /GB/ The West has done so much good in the world. Others have tried, but it just isn’t the same. Pre1914 thinking with a twist of 2022 technological know-how will go long way.
We all need to take a stand and say it how it is, facts over feelings etc.
Stay awesome and keep on keeping on.
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Linda A
1 day ago
Great interview . I very much enjoyed listening to this very intelligent and forthright young lady . I wish her every good luck for her future .
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nigbiker
1 day ago
This woman is so spot on in her analysis, i hope we hear a lot more from her
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John Catto
1 day ago
Sounds a very sensible young lady, I am sure she will go far in whatever direction she may choose to go.
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cliona moore
1 day ago
Wonderful conversation with such an articulate and switched on young woman .
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Strelnikoff
1 day ago
It’s great to see someone this positive for a change.
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N0w3lly
1 day ago (edited)
The thing that doesn’t make sense is the fact that Conservative voters are switching en masse to Labour who are, let’s face it, the architects of mass immigration, and have not at any time criticised it! People are not going to get different, or economic improvements, either way, in my opinion. They need to start having courage to vote for a new order, and for real change/ reform
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Graham T
Graham T
1 day ago
It’s clear that most voters are dense, believing that they have just two choices where voting is concerned. To teach the Tories a lesson they’ll vote for Labour. The NE England ‘red wall’ flip flop was an example, many Lab voters turning to Con. They’ll now flip back. The establishment knows that it has us exactly where it wants us, and that’s why they are blatantly rubbing our noses in immigration, covid etc etc.
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thomas robert
1 day ago
@Graham T
but if you are not one of those you call dense can i assume you marched with the EDL when they were on our streets, all those who didn’t may as you say be dense but much worse they were/are all cowards.
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
Did you vote BNP when they were on the rise, over 1 million votes? I did.
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thomas robert
1 day ago
@Evola’s Sunglasses imagine over one million on our streets and it would be many more now as brits are waking up.
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Mike o’ Glen
1 day ago
The thing is, N0w, if you don’t vote Con you have to vote Lab. Unless, you want to waste you vote on Lib Demm or some such…

N0w3lly
1 day ago
@thomas robert Thomas… just as Graham should not have called people dense, neither should you equivocate not voting for Labour or the Conservatives as if that means an EDL supporter, which is asinine. Let us just start realising and understanding what mass uncontrolled migration has done: 1) the equivalent of one whole Cardiff a year, every year for 20 years, have added to the population. This strains housing stock, NHS and schools capacity, especially when you are given no opportunity to predict/ plan ahead for such unprecedented numbers, 2) especially the case with free movement/ illegal immigration, you don’t really have a clue who are coming in, and whether they have genuinely good or bad intentions, whether they intend to assimilate into society or divide it, or ghettoise it, or whether they intend to obey or break the law, 3) millions of low-medium skilled workers are the overwhelming average that have come in, and that has both flooded the employment market at those levels and suppressed wages. These are not good effects to existing citizens, let alone new ones coming in, 4) the existential threat to national security cannot be ignored or understated. The evidence demonstrates that gang violence, child rape gangs, murder, vicious street robberies, and many more serious crimes have been on the increase as a result of these irresponsible Russian Roulette policies. It is okay for most politicians: they aren’t the ones who have to face and suffer the consequences of their decisions. The rest of society does! That is NOT a nod nor expression of support to EDL or skinheads, and you ought to take that dense slur back
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Bushwhacked Dos.
1 day ago
I’m afraid to destroy the Tory party we are going to have to suffer Labour.
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Stephen Eurosailor
1 day ago
@N0w3lly Well said.

F F
1 day ago
Poppy, I despair that I am the only one seeing the truth and then a young person like you comes along and gives me hope . Thank you Poppy
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Ian Pendlebury
1 day ago
Poppy is a marvellously articulate and grounded lady. Great find for the channel and more importantly for the future of the UK. I say ” go for it Poppy, don’t wait”. We are currently in the hands of an old order which needs to be changed … and as soon possible.
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chris solen
1 day ago
Poppy should be on Mainstream much more. The middle englander’s would certainly understand her and agree with her views
. Most politicians only seek power for themselves and what that can lead to. Fresh ideas are pushed back by left media and left generally. Money always speaks and that’s why lobby groups with money have so much power. Look at Ken Clarke big beast in Politics but connected to Tobacco group who’s product killed millions. Dominic Grieve who pretended to support Brexit with Mrs May but connected with EDF , French energy company. It proves my point
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D. Marques
1 day ago
To the “New Culture Forum”, it would be much appreciated if you could address the increasing number of “BIRTH TOURISTS” in the U.K. & in Western Europe alike. It’s becoming a reality none of us should ignore! Thanks in advance!…
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Trevor Dent
1 day ago
A breath of fresh air indeed, well said Poppy.
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Loui J
1 day ago
I rate this lady hope she goes far in her endeavours!
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AntonHu
11 hours ago
What a breath of fresh air this young woman is. All power to her.

Smart Silver 1962
1 day ago
Gradually our people will come to understand that very few of the present politicians no matter which party they represent stand with us for the good of our country. So many own agendas stand in the way of what we can all see is right and wrong.
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Jennifer Bate
1 day ago (edited)
Brilliant interviewer. thank you Peter.
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sheep83
1 day ago
She’s right re Universities. We advertised for a management position in May, and the vast majority of applicants were West African students about to finish their Masters course.
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jumble stiltskin
1 day ago
My wife see this also at her university which is one of the major providers of nurses. Over half the classrooms are full of south asians, by all means some are going to make it, but most are not equipped with what it takes to be a nurse.
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Nagisasan36
1 day ago
What a breath of fresh air she is
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Graham Sewell
1 day ago
Poppy Coburn , an articulate, intelligent and honest commentator. Spot on with universities – need to close at least half and make the remainder serve British students with the skills we need. Immigration is destroying our culture, our lifestyle and quality of life – as well as pressurising housing, health and trsnsport. Not to mention crime and public safety. Complete pause on immigration for at least 10 years
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HABU1
21 hours ago
Well Graham for at least 15/20 years universities have been a business as opposed to a reaching academic body.
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Elk Paz
2 hours ago
@HABU1 And Margaret Thatcher first introduced that ethos.

HABU1
9 minutes ago
@Elk Paz Nice try….all down to each subservient institution.

Unoriginal Username
1 day ago
Let’s be honest tho. It’s not just the numbers , it’s the nations and cultures they come from
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
Culture is downstream from ethnicity and race.
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Unoriginal Username
1 day ago
@Evola’s Sunglasses I don’t think the British people would be as concerned if it was 300,000 settler Canadians , Australians and New Zealanders coming to the uk every year.
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Albert
1 day ago
They all take up resources that could be used by English people.
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Unoriginal Username
1 day ago
@Albert British ! And yes every single person uses resources. My point is and remains, there are people out there who are a lot more similar to us then others. And to prove that you can see who the British people make a fuss about coming here. Did we riot when older Hong Kongers were granted visas ? NO because they waved the old colonial flag sang god save the Queen and spoke highly of the uk. However we marched when hundreds of thousands of Middle Eastern and North African people came. Why ? Because they have no link or respect for the culture, traditions and people of the uk. So if we’re gonna bring people in (at most in small quantity’s ) then it should be from very specific places. And heavily vetted
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jumble stiltskin
1 day ago
I have to agree here, if this was immigration from “the west” it wouldn’t be quite the issue it is now. The cultural, economic, and other differences are too great.
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Unoriginal Username
1 day ago (edited)
@jumble stiltskin wow wow wow. Now let’s stop with the use of the term “the west” ok. I don’t want Germans , Albanians or Austrians the same as I don’t want Middle Eastern or North Africans. I’d rather someone from Australia, Fiji , New Zealand or Hong Kong. These nation have a lot more in common with the uk then those on the continent and America… monarchy , former dominions and dependency’s , shared language, faith and inherited judicial and social values. These our what made and make the uk unique from mainland Europe and America.
“The west” is a ridiculous outdated term that means absolutely nothing anymore. Anglosphere and historical links that’s what matters most.
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Peter Allum
15 hours ago
What an excellent interview.Poppy has a gift for clarity in expression.
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Cotictimmy
1 day ago
Go Poppy!
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JangianTV
1 day ago
This young lady is wonderful!
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Barrie Peck
Barrie Peck
1 day ago
What a great talent Poppy is you are spot on you will go far

NOT A QUICHE LORRAINE
1 day ago
UK is weeping at this contrived destruction of our once great land
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Mike Niinemae
1 day ago
nice one poppy …give her the job at no. 10 you are spot on with all topics………….
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barrie watson
1 day ago
We can see this happen only what can we do about it , we are being lied to, cheated , and made fools of, how and who can change this.
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Ann Chadwick
1 day ago
You are the best Peter
You listen to your guests………..A rare gift…..
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Scott Peter
1 day ago
Peter, you’re brilliant – I relate to your approach, it reminds me of the more gentlemanly 1980’s
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Michael Holt
1 day ago
Glad me and my wife are retired,I’d hate to think about going to work all week to pay taxes to keep all these immigrants here.the government has no money .that’s why its imperative truss must stop this.shes right,465,000 immigrants came here using this ridiculous student nonsense this year.besides all other immigration.
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Simon Stones
1 day ago
Drives me mad my taxes are being wasted on these freeloaders!
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Ian Cognito
1 day ago
When I left school in 1975 I didn’t know anyone who went to university. In fact, it was about 82/83 before I even met anyone who had been to university. Now I know dozens of people who have been. At least half of them shouldn’t have come within 50 miles of one.
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Frances Brown
Frances Brown
1 day ago
One of my daughters didn’t want to go to college she wanted to get a job we had words over it she was right she did a degree in the workplace and the company paid for it no need for Universities .
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captain patriarchy
1 day ago
same. Some people are entering the workforce with university degrees and they are absolutely terrible at their job.
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Ivor Mectin
1 day ago
Many years ago I saw Ian Cognito at a live show, as you no doubt also did – very funny man but too close to the bone for the mainstream!

Jeremy Fielding
1 day ago
Perhaps people like living packed in like sardines. Every time I go back to the UK it’s even more crowded, even in rural areas.
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Mark Moran
Mark Moran
1 day ago
And yet there are about 1.4m job vacancies with staff shortages across most sectors….but I’m sure you think you understand

6chhelipilot
1 day ago (edited)
@Mark Moran
If you want a mainly £10 per hour job in the UK, then you can’t go wrong. We have created a low-wage economy, and even Macron has accused us of doing this. Macron! We have created an economy where the people delivering items to your door can’t afford any of them.
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Peter France
1 day ago (edited)
Apparently they love eating bugs too, or soon will.
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Loui J
1 day ago
We don’t like it. Remember, many of the policy makers are living in detached houses or in gated communities, living lives far removed from our own.
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Blue Sky
1 day ago
Thank-you Poppy!
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Unoriginal Username
1 day ago
I’m not an environmentalism I’m a conservationist. I don’t hate coal I hate deforestation. I don’t hate nuclear I hate paving over of woodland and grassland in the uk. British people have always had a soft spot for nature and the countryside. I don’t think most brits are happy living in city’s like some foreign people are.
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Karen Mancina
1 day ago
Great discussion
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Roger Alsop
1 day ago
Excellent New Culture Forum.
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Vinn Paraffin
1 day ago
Down to the ‘tens of thousands’, that’s what the Tories stated before the last four general elections (started by Camoron in 2010) CONS BY NAME, AND CONS BY NATURE!!
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thebiopguy
1 day ago
Love how your entire political outlook is based around being a contrarian to whatever social group you find yourself in at the time, and also making money of course.
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jazztheglass
1 day ago (edited)
The 3 main parties are wholly in favour of mass migration.
It’s cheap labour suppressing wages, more consumers buying products, higher vat revenue, propelling higher property prices and rents, the banks can increase fractal banking reserves
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Peter France
1 day ago
It’s also a policy that came out of an asylum.
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P.G. Reitsma
1 day ago
Never heard the term ‘fractal’ before. Is it relating to or used in place of ‘fractional’?
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jazztheglass
1 day ago
@P.G. Reitsma Fractional-reserve banking is a banking system in which banks hold a portion of customer deposits in reserves and use the rest in loans to other customers. This system uses money that would otherwise be idle in bank accounts for lending, allowing consumers to continue borrowing and spending, which helps the economy grow.
For example, suppose you keep $5,000 in your savings account. The bank has another customer request a $1,000 loan. It can use fractions of all its customer’s savings to fund that customer’s loan.
Banks can lend out on a ratio of 12 to 1
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P.G. Reitsma
1 day ago
@jazztheglass Yes, I’m aware of fractional reserve banking. I was wondering if your comment included a misspelled word.

Tom Brennan
1 day ago
Well said
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Moto Maggs
1 day ago
Youth and wisdom….. a rare combination.
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Brian Feltham-Daniels
1 day ago
This is a young lady with the right stuff! Let’s hope she can influence a good number of her peers to see sense!!
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stephen thwaite
1 day ago
The UK is financed and controlled by the WEF members so don’t expect immigration to be controlled any time soon as the WEF like immigration.
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mandy shanks
1 day ago
I saw an article equating British expats living abroad with migrants to Britain. It stated “expats” should be called “migrants” because “expat” is an elitist term for the same thing. Expats May find language difficult and not integrate well sometimes, but they don’t take from the host country. They have to take out private health insurance and-be self reliant, buying derelict houses and doing them up, paying to live in the country, often being required to set up companies, living off their own income and savings.
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Mike Skinner
Mike Skinner
22 hours ago
I asked the taxi driver if the Dominicans liken my wife and I to the massive numbers of Haitians moving into the area. He said that we were definitely not a ball and chain

cyclist68
13 hours ago
I can safely say they don’t gang grape their daughters on an industrial scale either

Richard Hill
1 day ago
It’s been “ignored” for decades.
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thomas robert
1 day ago
by british men,yes you are right.

Johnny 81
1 day ago (edited)
Don’t think it matters what Liz Truss thinks because I can’t see her lasting long. I’d be more afraid of what labour thinks
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DJ Low
1 day ago (edited)
Consider your own home. Would it be better if 4 like people or 150 strangers lived there. Which would be more functional?Never less, is it not too late, has the mass of strangers not already moved in?.
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micky williams
1 day ago
Some of us were saying the same thing regards immigration and the government for 10 years and more before this young slip of a lass was at Cambridge or employed by the Telegraph, but still at school! She’s good though and i’m pleased her voice is being heard.
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thomas robert
1 day ago
but did you march with the EDL when you had the chance?.
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Jack Anderson
1 day ago
Very smart, wise guest.
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Dawn Emile
1 day ago
A lot of people talk about the issues of immigration. For instance, Simon Webb on YouTube. The government just doesn’t listen.
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flemwad
1 day ago
Was truly a pleasure to listen to this lady. Great interview.

Anna
1 day ago (edited)
Poppy is so bloody refreshing! Although my own kids had their GCSEs disrupted, listening about the isolation poppy experienced at uni really got to me. Comparing it to the beautiful freedom my generation had at her age, it broke my heart listening to her experiences. I can personally relate to the apocalyptic thinking of some youngsters nowadays, though, as I was indoctrinated into a cult as a kid. So I understand the nihilism, which was exacerbated for me by the cold war & nuclear threats.
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Lars Fars
1 day ago
There are very few people like her around. She took a huge risk by going against her piers at uni . The definition of brave, So many takeaways from this interview. I guess i’ll have to watch it again!
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WhitePanties
23 hours ago
Good interview. Best of luck to Poppy Coburn in her career.

Sir Prancelot
1 day ago
Impressive. Thanks for the interview.
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Derrin Morton
1 day ago
£5.00
Good work as ever

Flick Meatwood
1 day ago (edited)
Cultural suicide. Decimation of morale. Severe pressure on public services. Increase in serious (and unsolved) crime. Suppression of wages. What’s not to like?..
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Sukerkin
13 hours ago
Glad to hear another person say out loud what I feel to be necessary – either we as a nation resume making our presence felt on the world stage … or we fade away.

des larcombe
3 hours ago
Spot on. I really do despair. What an amazing young woman! Clone her many many times.

F F
1 day ago
Poppy, you are correct
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Gail Platt
1 day ago
What an absolutely remarkable young lady.
A ray of hope for the country in a seemingly bleak era.

TGS
1 day ago
“Those whom the gods detest, they first make mad”

bendtrucker
1 day ago
I think the main problem is that the Tories making these decisions have never had to face the consequences of uncontrolled mass immigration up close and personal.
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Tim Whittome
16 hours ago
Wow, Poppy is great! She could be a lovely contributor to our Newspeak panel and alongside our Emma.
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I K
1 day ago
young women barely scratches the surface of the lies and corruption
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Stuart Hall
Stuart Hall
1 day ago
Yes, Poppy, there are a lot of us. Can we just about make it to the end of this “Conservative” government? For whom will we vote? I don’t know. We have NO party. (Did anyone see/manage to stay awake through Tice’s “Sunday Sermon” earlier?)
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Harold Hamilton
1 day ago
My wife worked here ìn Belfast and every non white student that walked though the doors the money that they were paying these young people were treated badly.and didn’t get the education that they were paying. For these kids.were.only seen as pound.sign and.this girl is spot on
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Peter Loxham
5 hours ago
Outstanding young lady who gives me hope for my grandchildren’s future!

yomarrobert
1 day ago
The snail that has come into my garden is a very unusual type of immigrant. He brought his own house.Still no sign of his own vet, translator,dentist ,car or space.Still,he has done wonders to my lettuce patch!
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Graham Bull
Graham Bull
1 day ago
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thomas robert
1 day ago
i always chuck them in the fish pond do you know that some of the little bar stewards manage to crawl out three times before kicking the under water bucket..

John Wade
1 day ago
Everyone knows this
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1 day ago
Fighting 8.5% inflation (more like 35%) with a 1% Fed funds interest rate is like stopping a forest fire with a bucket of water. Folks prepare accordingly. Make investment in other not to depend on the government for funds
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John coppinger
1 day ago
In the north east of England there are thousands of new houses being built to house the white flight from our post industrial towns which are being flooded with refugees because of the low rent costs . Everywhere you look there are new estates springing up .
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Max Smith
1 day ago
It’s terrible what people have done to the younger generations. I’m including myself in this as a millennial, but Gen Z have it even worse.
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Derek Bland
16 hours ago
Superb interview. There is hope but it starts with voting for something new

the1beard
1 day ago (edited)
and they wonder why house prices in London keep going up …
during a downturn people flock to London to find work…
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Ryan Hunter
Ryan Hunter
1 day ago
Crash incoming
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Kenneth Slade
23 hours ago
A very perceptive and intelligent young lady . I wish her well in a political future .
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K W
1 day ago
Why is no alternative news outlet of podcaster discussing the UN Migration Pact?
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Marie
1 day ago
Excellent discussion with reasoned argument from this young lady, mature beyond her years.
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Ray Mills
1 day ago (edited)
The tories certainly seem to be doing literally everything they possibly can to alienate all sections of potential tory voter.
I do think though, that this guest has missed something regarding the tories’ motivations for increasing immigration numbers, – I don’t believe that it is due to ‘humanitarianism’ (around 12 mins) – I think quite simply, mass immigration means a never ending pool of cheap labour (great for the bosses) and also, continual increases of consumers, who as a result of sheer numbers, will increase GDP (great for the politicians). None of which benefits us ordinary plebs.
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Baron Ortega
1 day ago (edited)
Tories have given 1 million visas to students and their dependents.
Let that sink in.
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Hairy Hillman
1 day ago
The problem we have is that the “Torries” currently arent conservative. They are trying to be new labour, the problem is Labour voters wont vote for them because, surprise surprise, they vote Labour, and conservatives are going to stop voting for them because the Torries are not conservative.
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Gary Marshall
1 day ago
When will the Darling of Culture Forum, Emma, be back on again ?
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Merlin3189
4 hours ago
As what sort of project did she describe journalism?
BTW this is great. On my second listen, which probably won’t be my last. So good to hear a young person with interesting thoughts.

Gail Jefferies
1 day ago
I don’t fully agree that we have no optimistic view of the future. The point is we have to pick it up and fight back to get the future we want for our grandchildren etc. Excellent interview, such an intelligent young woman. Thank you Peter for NCF

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Alister Edmond
1 day ago
A fantastic guest and a superb discussion.

Steven Homer
1 day ago
The starting point for any discussion on immigration is surely our & many other countries in the west problem of Demographics- we natives are in decline- it does not mean we flood the country with any one in a dinghy but it is an existential crisis that needs to be addressed & planned for even if it can be turned around over generations
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Baron Ortega
1 day ago
I hope more young people start to realise that Labour and successive governments have sold them down the river.
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Scorpio Rob
1 day ago
What a brilliant young lady.
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devlinX
1 day ago
Both problems are connected, the economy and immigration.
The Neoliberal order decided that in order to maintain their quasi Socialist system (Healthcare, Pensions, Welfare, education) they to maintain constant and unending economic growth. They have no intention thinking about growing the economy via increased productivity or innovation but rely entirely on importing as many people as possible. This hasn’t produced the intended results, the nations debt is growing exponentially along with crime, corruption and a bottoming out of living standards.
I think the problem is that the politicians cannot now admit to the fact that this system is a lie because the backlash would be catastrophic.
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steve howell
steve howell
15 hours ago
Top girl!

TGS
1 day ago
This country needs a Patriotic Alternative!
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Roger Alsop
18 hours ago
Marvellous young woman.
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Joyce Mcleod
1 day ago
Well spoken young lady
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Bradfordian
1 day ago (edited)
The political class are concerned only for “economic wealth” whilst the general public are much more concerned about “social health” but we aren’t heard because the political class haven’t represented the general public for decades, they listen only to their paymasters.
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Liz Latteman
1 day ago
I would vote for you now

John coppinger
1 day ago
Poppy said “that’s not how politics works” but unfortunately that’s EXACTLY how politics works
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joyce cutner
21 hours ago
Poppy is a very intelligent young lady.
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Chris Millar
1 day ago (edited)
Join us as Poppy desperately tries to not mention the word capitalism and as she finds a scapegoat for why the tories want more migration
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barrie Williams
1 day ago
TAT. Tories are Toast! Vote Reform
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Eyes Only
1 day ago
Well done! I’m a new fan of this Lady
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Ben Jamin
1 day ago (edited)
It’s almost laughable that Anne Marie Waters and the For Britain party were making all these same arguments (and many more)… but the New Culture Forum was more than happy to ignore their existence, at a time when it could actually have made a difference!
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marie parker
1 day ago
Recent events in Leicester: this is an example of our having one law for one group of people and another law for another group of people. When is this going to end?
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mogznwaz
1 day ago
I’m not against all immigration or against immigrants as individuals but numbers and culture and loyalty matter. Not to mention congestion, housing, hospitals etc. I cannot fathom how we ended up with whole areas, whole schools, not speaking English or having any understanding or loyalty to our culture. It’s insanity.
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Martin Lucky Bramah
1 day ago
To think that we can control the weather, in anyway at all, is grand hubris!
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Mark Jones
Mark Jones
1 day ago
Ever heard of cloud seeding? Control maybe not but manipulation yes
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Richard Abbot
14 hours ago
All the issues that matter are pre-approved at an international level, behind closed doors.
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SteveO
1 day ago
Smart girl – but a thicko like me has been saying this for years. Why send 50% to Uni, when there are not enough graduate level jobs around? Why have the taxpayer funding thousands of Criminology degrees? Why be surprised when girls take on careers & student debt, instead of starting a family when they are at their most fertile? Why not just cancel the “dependant” student visa? The answers are all quite simple, turn half Unis back into Colleges running courses for the skills we DO need, for UK students, at prices they can afford.
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Tavuzzi Pust
1 day ago
No, Vera, there won’t always be an England, it’s being turned intoi Zanzibar.
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John coppinger
1 day ago
Spot on Poppy

Elk Paz
2 hours ago
Lots of us have made the journey from leftie environmentalist to ‘the right.’ It’s helpful to know the mindset.

Mark Cross
1 day ago
If the global economy continues to grow at about 3.0% per year, we will consume as much energy and materials in the next ∼30 years as we did cumulatively in the past 10,000. Is such a scenario inevitable? Is such a scenario possible? – Nate Hagens · 2020
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David Adiwego
1 day ago
If more women like you, love, did what young women were meant to do, and if we all got real about natural death, i.e if we excepted our 3 score and 10 years and did not expect the state to keep us ticking over for 20-30 years after our retirement, this country wouldn’t need to import large numbers of workers/consumers.

Dave Edmondson
1 day ago
Fascinating and interesting guest.
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Bad Gnasher
1 day ago
What a fantastic young women.
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Summertime Sue*
1 day ago
Can I ask a question?seeing we can’t do anything about the boat arrivals,and suella bravermen has been told to leave it alone,I started looking at EU policies regarding this issue,and saw that this is operating just like one of the four pillars…I don’t think we have left it,we wasn’t even in the schenghen zone while we were in so it makes me wonder.Who can I ask about this subject? I object to pay more taxes while 5 million a day is spent on these people,that is a slap in the face to pensioners who had their pensions taken,and their working age raised.
Sorry for going on,just frustrated with it all.
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cyclist68
13 hours ago
I’ve reached the conclusion now that it’s a grand plan that all parties of the establishment are in on. To consistently never reduce numbers point to it. The only hope is that labour get in and massively up the numbers and in the process shake normal voters out of their lethargy.

Glenn Wilson
1 day ago
I think things are gradually changing towards immigration with this new bread of young people coming through

Aquila2018
1 day ago
There is hope
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Jonathan Sidaway
1 day ago
She’s a good thing. Impressive journalism. The housing-immigration interface, in particular, however, might be more complicated than she sketches: see the Himbonomics substack. For other, cultural reasons I want an immigration moratorium.
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harvey young
1 day ago
Good morning everyone.
Immigration through the context of the mini budget:
The mini Budget was always going to be a challenge to interpret in time to make any sort of timely and effective comment. Added to this i have had my bad back demon revisit me, and now its all change and unpredictability again. Most of the Criticisms came from the direction of “bad market reaction”, a sense of disorder and unpredictability, and as if, the Response of the Bank of England in accordance with its antecedent duty to apply its policy, was not a priori but “unpredictable”?. So we got al the usual suspects criticising it from behind the accusative mask of “risk” and “instability”, but the policy was also criticised in the same way by the unusual suspects of traditional friends. That is, both Tory MPs and Labour MP’s attacked it on the basis of incompetence with respect tot he market: that they call a market realism. So many Tory MPs were able to say their constituents didn’t like it, so its was rejected by the parliamentary party, and Labour MPs didn’t like t because it displays a lack of competence and so loss of trust, for investors to take a risk. So tactically this allowed Labour to claim to be the party of economic competence a reverence for the markets and to claim the Tories as incompetent. And so following this two fronted political critique they can amass positive data on the pound, on costs of borrowing, on pensions etc. They all could claim to criticise the Tax cuts refereeing to the 45% to 40%, but few have stressed that the poor have had tax cuts and energy cost protections.
My question is, are the above politically hegemonic Critics’ really the problem they all have with the budget? I believe the real explanation for the attack by all sides is that all sides reflect more the interests of the middle classes they both represent and are a member of. these interests primarily lie in this context, in the massive mortgage debts of the middle class London and south. Debts that on composition will prove to be unserviceable given the inevitable fall in production and wages. they were always massively over leveraged, but now in the new climate they are on a precipice, that under normal circumstances would mean a fall in the house prices and so negative equity. But we are not living in normal times and so, we must ask why haven’t the house prices fallen in the economic decline since 2008, especially since there is a massive gap between supply and demand, why no new house building. Its a paradox! Well there must be some artificial or several feed back structures embedded in the system to protect themselves. They include immediately the openness of the London Housing market to the rest of the worlds rich as expanded top end consumer demand base, and the mass immigration also as expanding low end consumer demand. but also we can add planning regulation particularly on green filed sites prevent new house building. So to under stand immigration we might do better by seeing just in the context of maintenance of artificial high house prices though expanded demand base. Perhaps all the talk of necessary workers and diversity is really a mask the middle class use to keep their house prices high. they feel they can separate themselves form any negative double effects as well, and can be silent on it effect to erode natural communication due to language and cultural difference i.e. the break up of the glue of civil society that back in the day would have had the cultural linguistic shared back ground to critique this kind of thing.
So yes the Tory middle class and the Labour middle class share a common economic imperative to stop this sort of thing, they just have to do it using other metrics and terminologies. They don’t say of course “Stop the budget because my and my friends my network friends risk loosing our unearned nest eggs” they say anything except this an all are on the same page media, international organisations etc. The Mini Budget protected the most vulnerable in many complex ways, but for once the middleclass were gong to have to take a risk hit for the first time its not a win win situation and they don’t like it. we see these parties are controlled by the middle class who disguise their real interests for being “in the care of the minorities” or “being productive for employment.
i mean this already seems a stretch of context for immigration debate, but to go further, the middle class for the most part are shielded form war. they are represented very low in standard military populations. indeed the tradition of just war looks like a series of principles whereby the poor can legitimacy kill each other, but if the war reaches them “civilians” then it is classed as unjust? And why all the mass middle class movement against the atomic bomb. Because it would impact them. they banned the gas because they realised it could be used against them in cities.
To get really dark, maybe the European Immigration is not just because the source country has paid to educate and train them to adulthood , but also because they might be seen as the new fodder for new European Wars. Because the indigenous male population are beginning to see that its a ridged game by the middle classes. And perhaps they don’t think the New Rights turn to Stoicism and Heroism is going to work as 21st Century” white feather any more.
Thanks for reading . Looking Forward tot he discussion.
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Mr Ror
1 day ago
What do you mean by ‘middle class’? ?

harvey young
1 day ago
​ @Mr Ror ​ I have a long answer to your question here. the second half i accidentally deleted before saving and i have tried to rewrite it but i’m tiered now. I’m not happy with it but i will post what i have done cos if i don’t i probably will never finish it anyway. i will try and redo it if i can later.
Mr Ror i am trying to think about this “class” not in terms of a definition e.g. a set of necessary and sufficient properties, and/or a determinant that will include and exclude those in and those out (either/or, a disjunctive) or that is given by some substantial like wealth that would be vague and is really now dissolved into networks
Rather it is first a position of a “representor” that is also the middle terms in the old syllogistic term logic (Kant). Thus anyone is always both represented and representor. Rather it is belter tot think of it in terms of station responsibility and duty. this is what is really prior to any definition or extension. so it is not sociological in the first instance, as would be used in either pre compiling of metric data or of an radical empiricist type like Michel Seers on Algorithms,.
i want the notion of duty and responsibility (but not transcendent cost or debt free). Rather it is to be linked to their scope of collective action and power (the who they represent and how they act on). from there we enter the vocabulary of metaphysics of formal structures and action (adverbial the who and the how.) its is about who can do what. like the Ancient human Semi-Gods who action though institutions have like a God like power of scope and effect compared to an image of individual Aristotelian action. i raise my arm to answer a question in a military meeting, or to signal the army to move forward, or to get a bar tender my attention.
with this metaphysical view it brings in notions of force coercion though concepts in contracts as immediate.. here the notion of a voluntary and involuntary contact can come into view i a way it does so only medially though definitions and empirical extensions. i mean you have to add the idea of force surreptitiously to the wealth differences etc. lie a Deux Machina in a story. this makes the power and coercion look accidental. to talk of power here though is not Foucault because i want t retain the quasi logical epistemological image of a whole of the community which is not available for Foucault’s relations of micro power. the field of representation does not contain the dimension of force and power in itself. to retain something of the social contract tradition we must look at the metaphysical level of forces: freedom and determinism as the old division has i want to retain in a demythologised way beyond he Natural necessity verses Aristotelian sue generic acts.) To draw this out i have to recognise that in our ordinary lives we recognize a reflex with only habit and its space of movement not authorship is the issue. its space of movement is one dimension no freedom in the situation. on the other hand is the also abstract idea of a completely free costless debtless act that does not even have to care for itself. an extreme but illusory absolute freedom. as we move inwards then to be in a state of poverty has a metaphyseal and normative aspect not given in data of wealth or even differences in wealth. wealth and status (duty responsibility) give also only apparent complete freedom. Because they are bound to act though apparatus they are dependent on and must act on an object not a brute force but care (from working in a pottery factory production line with robots not too good at handling delicate un-fired Clay. thus the relations of middle to lower class is here not in the data which is a symptom of it from the positions of transcendental philosophy but of course the numbers and money do make a difference and a difference to the content but not before the metaphysics of force reciprocity agent patent . cause effect.
a Disenchanted world view in thinking only of epistemology takes the metaphysics of human nature and action as given by behavioural psychology. this science of man is the par dime of the modern world framing economic law and politics and is the substantial to their claims to have a perfect image of ourselves for us to live up to ie the poor are the “is” they are the “ought”. as in Hobbes the old virtue and vice possibilities of the one body are split along the syllogism into the poor as abstract vice and the middle class as abstracted virtue.(substitute rights claims here and as the modern world as made vice the human out of duty, ie self interest, and placed virtue as the human in duty as the management of the self interst level though law rights unity etc by causes.
here then we can see a point of intersection of the vocabularies of vice and virtue with there separated abstract versions in science as subjects and objects of self interest verses, you know, the scientists as and custodian of our “better natures” as they would have it. eg when a contract is made and we say necessarily, we mean they had virtually no degrees of freedom in the world, but this would manifest at he scientific level as the best example and the standard for a causal law of a action subject to causes not thought not thought cos no degree of freedom for thoughts action. so there in the real world a point here where it i close to the behavioural scientific image of man.
the middle class are then the managers and users relation where their action are though duties and so are a one many relation a nomological scope of the structure of action. which makes them the dolphin trainer not the dolphin.
my notion of the middle class then must incorporate immediately all these scientific metaphysical and law like aspects as well as the position on a virtue and vice separation. all pollical policy and action though institutions and so on take the behavioural sciences and the political model for granted they never question it. its hidden by the myth of data. the middle class use forms and contracts as if forcing objects akin to physics.
the distinction is one then of science metaphysics and access to it in its power duty and scope.
political policy must work on this level of metaphysics and science and the numbers and data will follow. We make the how and the who key. how they work at a distance and the who who is responsible, as the science is an excuse and exculpation for them at the moment. let alone the complexity of passing the buck, and anonymity of double effect , what they call unintended consequences that they ca even strategize in.
Representations and definition then hide mask the syllogistic form of the state and the metaphysical image of man that goes with it now.
the Term “middle class” then is thought of as a sociological term that requires a definition for such sociological analysis and conceptual clearness for data organisation. It would be a term in representation that misses that they are the representors and hold power cause and meaning though the above mythologies. In the real world it is intrinsic to duties and certain virtues, that would appear if at all in representation as just some contingent property by some other definition. Even our rights meant as a limit to the middle classes are held by the middle class and as positive rights can be used against us even,
I am after placing these terms out of there scientific use alone. that is to de formulise them. but neither does this mean to drop the image of the social contract. i mean the world is not made up of random disconnected parts organs and people just in buildings there is logical normative structure with metaphysical connections and determination here not just simple human relations like in a soap opera. Husserl talks of abandoning the natural attitude that would just describe people in buildings as empirical. neither is the world like things in a living room, but there is an aesthetic to the whole neither formal or natural excepts at its limits where humans are near absolute freedom :impossible, or absolute necessity impossible here the science representations meet at the real world of forced choice and complete causal power with immunity. the normative image of man as science law economic has it lives only in the extremes of the real world. but the supply demand curve necessities this as aggregated price means everybody is either in degrees of freedom or degrees of necessity. the science seems to demand we approach this closer and closer because of te need for causal stability and order and prediction. we will have to become the free and the necessity for the sake of sciences for sake of right and/or sake of utility. degrees of freedom in duty verses frames of necessity, power and scope of action verses being a subject of force. .
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Mr Ror
10 hours ago
@harvey young are you a postmodernist and a troll? A yes or no answer will suffice.

Thanos
1 day ago
It’s only a matter of time before a new party arises that truly tends to the needs and desires of the indigenous populations of the UK. We should follow in Italy’s footsteps.
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
Watch the EU establishment and markets destroy her.
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Dawn Emile
1 day ago
I think politicians look to cities like New York and believe that if they imitate their demographic, they will achieve similar cultural and economic success.

rocky76dude
1 day ago
A bettie and talks sense
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David David
1 day ago
It’s funny how this young women sounds like she’s only just realised all of this. Makes you wonder about the education system
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paul flanagan
paul flanagan
1 day ago
It does not matter what people think or say if they don’t have influence. So yes it’s good to hear this being acknowledged but what good will it do?

Peter France
1 day ago
Question: In the face of the evident betrayal and corruption in high places would you prefer living under a regime like that enjoyed in Russia? The earnest asking of this question speaks volumes in itself.

Vici Cooper
10 hours ago
I really don’t think the governments are letting people in due to their humanitarian impulses. Two reasons: our falling demographics and the need for cheap labour (note, the last because we have not invested in new technology).

D L Bowes
1 day ago
Poppy for pm
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Leah
1 day ago
Tories indifference to the problems of the avg UK citizen is deafening as well as odious. I shall not be voting for them at the next election, nor of the other political parties
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deb walls
1 day ago
Lovely young Lady, Thankyou for speaking sense about immigration. Its a disgrace.
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Archie McBerry
1 day ago
The Tory Party with all this flip-flopping needs to sell a Tory Flip-Flop Pancake Mix. “Mix it up and flip-flop a few times and a Tory Breakfast.”

Kevin Etheridge
1 day ago (edited)
People voted brexit to take back control of our borders, we assumed wrongly that would lead to less MUCH less immigration not more. I’m not surprised I did think that leavers would be just as upset as remainers in the end. The night after the vote Darren Hanan (I think that’s his name might be Darryl) was on newsnight saying leaving the eu might not mean less immigration (and he was a prominent leaver) I thought then hold on this isn’t what people voted brexit for.
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Business Pins
1 day ago
encouraging

Lewis Hamilton
1 day ago (edited)
As Poppy says here “it can be done” – which was one of Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery’s favorite lines. It can be done, it should be done, it must be done; and by god it will be done. A London-centric currency exchange market, and a culture and demography in freefall. Britain can do so much better than this.
Britain must radically change, it must reinvent itself culturally, and constitutionally; it must regain its sense of itself. I don’t know about a ‘superpower’, but there is no reason Britain cannot maintain and expand its position as a world power; it could be as big as Japan, if it wished to be. Those who who’ve cheered on Britain’s decline are yesterday’s men.
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Mark Hutton
14 hours ago
“…now it’s just decline …” as evidenced by the attack on the Truss/Kwarteng plan for growth.

Dominic H
6 hours ago
I have to say as a white working class Englishman living in London who has watched the working class community that I grew up become gentrified I watched this interview with great interest.
The real immigrants that I have an issue with are the middle class white people who emigrate to London. They keep to themselves, don’t wish to integrate and keep to themselves and certainly don’t wish to mix with the working classes. Something to be fair, they are entitled to do. A fair proportion have a massive sense of entitlement and due to working in the professions and/or having parental subsidies they push up rents and working people find themselves priced out of their communities.
Gentrification took place in London long before mass immigration and I would argue that it has been just as detrimental and devisive to communities if not more so than immigrants from other parts of the world.
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Billy Moffat
22 hours ago
Poppy whenever you want to take on these establishment puppets, give me a shout you will have my vote. GB a superpower again now that’s progress.

Fraxzor
1 day ago
We should be having numerous referendums on things like immigration and net zero (look how many Switzerland have had), but who knows when we will be allowed to have a say again. Before 2016 the elite ruling class were happy for us to vote for the status quo, but as soon as we vote for change they decide no we’re not allowed to have a say anymore. They also constantly undermine what we voted for in 2016, I honestly don’t think we live in a democracy. We are being made to fight each other in this left vs right war while our so-called leaders enrich themselves with power from outside the country that tell them what to do.
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Mark Johnson
1 day ago
Farmland is an amazing place for biodiversity. It is being appropriated for massive building projects. This is the destruction of our environment that is happening before our very eyes and no one says a damn about it.

BastardSprinkler3000
1 day ago
More Poppy pls

Peter Stephenson
1 day ago
Would any government escape being whipped to shreds by the media if it announced it was withdrawing the UK from the ECHR? Human rights sounds so desirable. Cancelling human rights sounds dastardly. The real explanation of why we should leave would be beyond too many people and the media fuss will spawn “social facts” in the liberal cafés, making it impossible to leave.
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Philippe De Fague
23 hours ago
They haven’t “betrayed” anyone. They have done exactly what they intended to do. The public have had multiple opportunities to vote in better parties and the “strategic voter” has sank the ship time after time after time. Even When BP won the Euro elections, indicating the greater popularity of alternative politics, people still voted in the people who were dedicated to destroying Brexit.

Zefangmeister Bob
2 hours ago
Foreign students move to uk – do cheap course – move to New Zealand – two years – move to Australia
Meanwhile here in Australia we also have at least 30 percent foreign students for the money instead of our own children
Then to many of the foreign students go home and we have too few doctors and dentists and white doctors are imported from uk
What a circle…..
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Norfolk Sceptic
1 day ago (edited)
Children have no right to demand anything when they haven’t even bothered to understand the Science involved, and that requires conversations between all people of good will, not pushing the BBC agenda.
Environmental issues look complex if you are devoid of relevant Scientific knowledge.
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hib3032
16 hours ago
Nail on the head springs to mind

Keyboard Dancers
1 day ago
Britain needs more ultra low waged barbers, car wash attendants, nail bar assistants, vegetable pickers, care workers and fast food delivery drivers. The Conservatives know this deficit is being filled via irregular migration which is why they maintain the logisitical, financial and legal support mechanisms for people who arrive in the country in this manner. Mick Lynch of the RMT Union has voiced his concern very publically regarding the negative impact of cheap foreign labour on the British low wage employment market. Immigration is NOT a left vs right issue.
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WhitePanties
1 day ago
For some reason it became fashionable in some circles to be in favour of immigration, as a test of virtue.

Vaughan Ellis
1 day ago
Its also been noted that the majority of ‘Stop Oil protesters’ and not only over 60 but that they also MIDDLE CLASS.
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Brian Lopez
1 day ago
Someone should check out Roger Hallam’s solid stone Farmhouse in Carmarthenshire
with the recorded Energy Performance Certificate grade G – the worst lacking ANY insulation ?!
Roger how could you ? YOU should be setting a good example before you block the streets.

JR
1 day ago (edited)
Standards of living are decreasing because of immigration.
I’m an Civil Engineer by trade a specialist Sub contractor. My career has meant I’ve worked with every major house builder in Britain in most cities and towns. I’ve worked with all levels from the lowly ground labour man all the way up to the directors of these companies. I personally have designed at least 30 homes a week, over a year that’s over a thousand. Everyone in the industry says the housing growth has never been so good. Building in quantity and also profits. The housing companies cannot grow/expand fast enough to meet the demand! Most marketing execs and salesman often sell the home before its even built, they go like hot cakes. Reading the housing industry articles we build on average 200,000 a year. All different types and sizes. And that’s a lot. So the question has to be asked why is Demand so high? Where did I come from? And Why Now?
Demand because the population is growing. In 2011 the last census counted 63.26million
In 2022 it’s projected at 67.44million.
4.18 million difference. For scale That’s the size of four Birminghams in 10 years. Bloody hell!
So the next logical question is why is the population growing. Is it due more children being born or immigration? The clearest way to assess this is to look at birth rates.
For a constant/stable population without in or out migration requires 2.1 births per woman. This mean it takes two children to replace two parents in the statistics. 0.1, is a bit more because as it accounts for deaths in the long term. (Look up some videos on population demographics if need to know more).
The UK birth across those 10yrs has been less than 2.1, now it’s 1.64 children per woman.
In conclusion we can blame politicians, companies, house builders, councils etc. But the fundamental reason. Immigration is causing the housing problem and why your children can’t afford a home to start a family themselves.
And I’m not going to lie. Building stuff is what I do. General construction everywhere is growing not just housing. All because of the larger population. Roads, sewers, telecoms and everything we have it’s always more, more, more. We don’t know how live within our means.
I truly think governments have been using immigration to reduce wages (the immediate standards of living) with the hope that home Equity values will increase. Because we like our homes to go up in value & we release equity to compensate for our awful state pensions. However this is at the expense of the youth and young families.
All of our governments only do shortermism.
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michael stanwick
1 day ago
From her description, it seems as if successive governments have been intentionally saying one thing but in fact acting out another. Why this is so is perplexing, unless perhaps there is some hidden feature or policy of the EU, for example, that is still operating with the UK and that the UK is abiding by. and that is untouched by Brexit.
Would this explain why successive governments have talked the talk on immigration but not walked the walk?

Bob Bob
1 day ago
Yot Labour get a dinghy diver as a neighbour vote conservative get two dinghy divers vote lib get three. You pay they stay.
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Sebastian Kyte
Sebastian Kyte
1 day ago
Excellent interview.
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Alistair Newton
1 day ago
Nailed it Bob Bob, decided to sell my property & move into rented accommodation in a nice area, give the children some money, take as many holidays as possible, the political establishment are not remotely interested in what concerns the public.
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Peter Hurwood
18 hours ago
Great interview! An uncomfortable reminder of how UNCONSERVATIVE the Conservative Party are!
We don’t want a free fire all when it comes to immigration.
We don’t want large groups of immigrants imposing their cultured habits on British society.
We don’t want the hugely damaging economic effects of the unachievable quest for net zero emissions. As the interviewee correctly states, this is nothing more than managed economic decline.
Combine this with the mass importation of low skilled people, who are largely dependent on welfare and the road ahead looks bleak! A great burden on an already hard pressed younger generation! (4 out of every 5 Muslim migrants does not/cannot work).
And we don’t want the divisive left wing orthodoxy of political correctness and Wokeness. These are an affront to free speech and British cultural values. A largely racist attempt at manipulation of public attitudes!
The silent majority have really had enough of this. Desperate for a leader with vision and conviction, who won’t be bullied by globalist influences, such as the WEF or the UN! Who’ll treat the hysterical mainstream media with the contempt they deserve, that will have the courage to restore political neutrality to our institutions, who will put our security first. A leader that will advocate for personal freedoms and responsibility.
NO MORE FAKE TORIES PLEASE!!!
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AUSTIN BourkeAUSTIN Bourke
1 day ago
Truss is now showing cognitive decline if she thinks that

Will Fletch
1 day ago
Scrap the quangos and make their employees take up jobs that we reserve for immigrants. Abolish Local education authorities and apply a £8 minimum wage for 16 year old school leavers to encourage the never ending desire for university to be binned
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Steve T
Steve T
1 day ago (edited)
The problem nowadays is that nobody can have a reasoned arguement on anything without being shouted down as a fascist or something. Obviously most economies need some sort of legal immigration based on the needs of the economy, before we even look at cultural impacts. The problem is importing vast amounts of cheap labour based on real deep structural issues in the UK economy is maybe great for big companies but a crap deal for the state and actual people themselves. The state needs to provide infrastructure, housing, schooling etc.. which they aren’t doing or can’t. The simplistic arguement that it increases GDP is a fallacy. It deflates the already awful productivity we have in the UK. Have a look at our wages to GDP ratio, it’s awful for a developed economy. Companies need to innovate, people need to re-educate themselves post school, people who won’t work need to do some of these jobs, and the incentives need to be given to spread people and businesses around the country. Anyone illegally entering or misusing visas need to be instantly deported.
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Alan Hill
Alan Hill
1 day ago
I don’t suppose homeless count as in need of any social good?
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Colin Feltham
1 day ago
No point such intelligent speakers on NCF when we need them in influential political positions.

Mark Edwards
1 day ago
We are heading toward a third of the country being immigrants.
I can’t imagine where the housing crisis is coming from.
Not to mention basic education, healthcare, dentistry, transport infrastructure, food crisis, energy crisis, crime, drugs, etc etc

Bertrand Ruskin
1 day ago
Does anyone else feel it’s now brave to speak on any issue that the woke establishment has put its seal on?

rieslingplatz
1 day ago
Love that phrase. I want to see Britain a superpower again.
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Tony Ling
1 hour ago
Not too much AQI/HRT which I am grateful for

Mark Hutton
14 hours ago
Don’t think that the wipe out of the Tories is a done deal.
That said.
As someone who has only ever voted Tory, I won’t vote vote for them again after the events of last week.
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Dawn Emile
1 day ago
Older people still have a long time to live.

Barrie Jackson
1 day ago
Very grounded young woman – intelligent and articulate with a proper understanding of just how our political class have been saying one thing (like take back our borders) whilst lying to us all the time and doing exactly the opposite. She also appeared to understand that other countries, like Singapore, operate a much harder line with their work visas. She has a great political future if she can hold that line, alongside the likes of Kemi Badenoch. Ironic isn’t it that the only ones with any fight in them are young women!
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DoubleDowner
12 hours ago
I think I might hate Boris as much as I hate Blair.

Ian Paling
1 day ago
“Dishonest” euphemism of the century, they are outright LIARS in this game for purely selfish reasons ie self enrichment and self preservation.
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M. K.
1 day ago
These people were elected to control immigration and what have they done? supinely allowed it to get worse. I believe it was a major reason for the Tories red wall support and that is about to crumble quite apart from economics. The feeling is Labour will be as bad but might. as well have them and more attention to economics for the poorer sections of society.

J W
1 day ago
Immigration should be under 5,000 for the next 100 years.
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Andy Hope
1 day ago
Stop the tradition of reductionist thinking, and encourage our leaders, managers and farmers to train in holistic management and learn to manage our country and the businesses therein in a context of the whole and not concentrating on individual programs with no interest in the unplanned and unintended consequences of their actions, due to not having planned with the understanding the decision might be the wrong one, and needs constant re appraisal.

Ian Cognito
1 day ago
Our obsession with net zero : We won’t have our own energy industry but will get it from another country?
It’s like me saying I am a vegetarian but will have meat from the bloke next door.
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Norfolk Sceptic
1 day ago
It’s OK, all the European countries are planning to do the same

Dissonantia Cognitiva
1 day ago (edited)
The funny bit is the pyramid scheme that government is:
– they measure wealth on GDP
– import migrants left right and center to increase GDP
– this increase in labour competition lowers wages
– also the migrants being imported consume more in benefits than they pay in taxes since they are mostly the concentrated at the lower end of the job market
– this makes the country poorer, but hey, GDP is increasing
– people getting poorer because of wage suppression with inflation?
– the housing market excluded from inflation indexes thus refering the inflation figures meaningless at best and an out right lie at worse
– the increase in migration also causes the property market to become unsustainable and it damages both the natives and the migrants, migrants are a cash cow for landlords
Overall these are all fake measures of economic strength:
– GDP? Why not NDP? A net figure is a real one
– CPI, RPI? None of these indexes now mean a thing and all it takes is taking things out to suppress the inflation figures
– governments need to be measured in net domestic product, purchasing parity power and real inflation indexes that include the most expensive thing spend money on: housing
And on climate, not it should not be left to government, that is asking for corruption and idiocy
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
Conservatives: we increased GDP but lost European Civilisation
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Serevin Vukele
1 day ago (edited)
A lot of MPs simply don’t want women to have children because they think it harms their careers despite this being illegal. The way for women not to have children is import millions of working age people to do jobs then kids are not required. Unfortunately, we all get old and without kids, as we are seeing, the costs become astronomical and society suffers. The MPs therefore have set themselves against the public with some of them, Remainers like Truss and Hunt, take us back into freedom of movement within the EU but as Poppy says this has tragic consequences too. Might end up with civil war. Very bad times guys.
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Charlie Buttocks
1 day ago
Surely Blair didn’t get in till 1997 not 1992

Gary Padiham
1 day ago
Britain needs to aim to have a population of over 100 million up from the present 67 million. With a population of 100 million its GDP will be half as much again.

Lulabelle Gnostic
1 day ago
The indigenous people of this country have paid, through taxation, for thousands of years, for the infrastructure we have. Why should an immigrant walk into this country and enjoy all the benefits we have paid for for nothing? Anyone coming to the UK should be charged at least £100,000K as soon as they hit Heathrow. The rest of them, so called ‘ asylum seekers’ need to be put on the next flight back, and their country of origin billed for the whole process.
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marie parker
1 day ago
You CANNOT have unlimited immigration and a welfare State. You have to choose which one you are going to have. You cannot have both.
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TheKiddy3
1 day ago
What a lovely young woman, I wish she were a couple of years older so I could introduce her to my son!

S North
1 day ago
Unfortunately, It really is going to come down to the people to sort out the mess of third world immigration. Start to come to terms with what is required, and prepare accordingly.

John Leyden
1 day ago
These kind of discussions are all well and good ,but how about giving a voice to the working class who bear the brunt of mass immigration. I’m sure the lady is very concerned she’s very middle class

marie parker
1 day ago
I understand that the Social Democratic Party has an anti-immigration policy. It proposes a moratorium on immigration for a number of years.

orkney ancestor
1 day ago
To overtake on the home and job ladder, play the diversity and race cards.
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J
13 hours ago
I don’t think being anti-immigration and pro Jeremy Corbyn is as weird a juxtaposition as all that. Both positions are in opposition to the powers-that-be, particular money power.

pobinr
1 day ago
Immigration’s great if you like more greenbelt concreted over & more traffic jams plus loads of other problems
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Steven Farrall
1 day ago
Johnson is not a ‘libertarian’. Libertine, probably. Truss just seems economically clueless. Libertarians fundamentally believe in property rights. In fact it is the core of libertarianism. Un-checked immigration is exactly not libertarian because it does not in any way respect property rights.
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Radical Centrist God
1 day ago
One thing that keeps the conservatives from actually doing anything is the fact an industry has been built around immigration, we’d like to think our MPs are not corruptible but when you take a look at Ian Hislops hearing in parliament where he exposes the fact that companies are basically blackmailing MPs on a range of issues, the question then becomes where else is this happening and given how much funding Serco is given…you have to wonder if there is not some sort of similar occurrence regarding immigration. How many companies now have hired illegal immigrants for a lower wage without disclosing it? I think we’ll find quite a bit if any kind of investigation is done. Its the only way to explain how over a million people some how aren’t just roaming the street.
Its time the conservative MPs gained some discipline and flatly refuse these quiet urgings from companies and corporations. Its time to stamp out the corruption in parliament and if the Tories cannot do that, then they are done.
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jason kempson
1 day ago (edited)
House of cards propped up with mass immigration, the economy is the problem that makes it necessary to take in extra people.
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golfbulldog
1 day ago
if you talking immigration, you need to look at the UN document from circa 2000 which tackles PSR. They, the UN, suggested replacement migration as a solution to the impending PSR crisis… Poppy, you need to tackle PSR. You have made a great start but tackle the data, not just the talking points.
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golfbulldog
1 day ago
you mentioned that Blair had net migration of about 200,000 pa…. now look at that UN document and see what they predicted for the UK to maintain PSR of 3.0….about 250k net migrants per annum… bang on target.
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DanDob
1 day ago
What is PSR?
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golfbulldog
1 day ago (edited)
@DanDob wow, I did reply to you but it obviously triggered some censor…. it was harmless response… basically potential support ratio (PSR) is the ratio of tax payers (contributors) to dependents (tax spenders)…. the more elderly and young who require support, the more money you need to have paid in as tax….that usually means more people paying tax …hence migration to supposedly help pay that tax….it is, of course, not the only solution to this issue. Japan is trying technology…
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golfbulldog
1 day ago
@DanDob use Internet search for…

golfbulldog
1 day ago
UN PDF

golfbulldog
1 day ago
Replacement
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golfbulldog
1 day ago
Migration

DanDob
1 day ago
@golfbulldog thank you. Wouldn’t they be better incentivising people to have more kids and heaven forbid a parent stays at home and looks after them. I’m sure that’s what we used to do
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golfbulldog
1 day ago
@DanDob dead right, one option not discussed….look at the executive summary…table 1, lower section (annual numbers) for UK under scenario V….it suggests 273,000 annual migrants to stop PSR dropping below 3… obviously the less people contributing tax, the more taxbthey will pay… we can create more kids but they need education….we could use technology to make less people more productive…. but the UN looks at migration and THEY coin the term ” replacement migrxxtion”
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rastapingpong
1 day ago
It’s either evil, stupidity or both

bcfc18751
1 day ago
Who do we have in politics who is a patriot… Paul Golding…Britain First
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Jujutrini
1 day ago
How many council houses have been built in the last 12 years (or even since 1997!)?
How much do foreign/overseas students pay for student fees ie what is the percentage of their fees in comparison to the homegrown students?
Why do they give two year visas for masters degree students – is it so that post grad ( highly educated) workers can work in the country?
How much do they spend on people who work the borders ie the Immigration office? I suspect that they have not increased the spending when they say they are doing more to protect the borders – show us the figures!
Employers who employ illegal immigrants could be punished harshly if the authorities really cared. Don’t blame the immigrants blame the bosses.
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alan wren
14 hours ago

Tim Cowell
1 day ago
Proportional Representation is what we need, then maybe we won’t be stuck for choice between a left wing pro-EU party and a slightly less left wing pro-EU party. Brexit was supposed to bring about change and we are where we where 5 years ago.

Dead Calm
1 day ago
Can I use the intro instrumental?

David Adiwego
1 day ago
We get the political leaders we deserve.
They (e.g Johnson, Truss) don’t think it’s a social good…They’re not doing mass immigration for the sake of migrants. They don’t see ANY difference between British people and non-British people. The nation, as many people still perceive it to be, is a quaint notion in the minds of the likes of Johnson and Truss. Besides, 60 years of women’s socioeconomic liberation + contraception and liberalised abortion, combined with the increased lifespan of (often state dependant) elderly, has resulted in bellow-replacement birth rates and an aging population. So, it’s import fresh blood or resort to a radical ‘pro-life’, anti-women’s-lib approach, plus de-prioritize state healthcare for pensioners. Obviously, it’s a million times more politically expedient to import fresh blood, and just continuously BS the base and concerned citizens about anti-immigration policies
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Hereward the Outlaw
1 day ago
The framing of the immigration problem is wrong. We should not be talking about limiting and by how much, that just sounds negative. We should be talking about balanced immigration, that is net zero, as a target. Balance sounds better than limits.
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Charlie Buttocks
1 day ago
Come and spend a day in Boston lincs and you will get a clue to what’s going on in the country
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This Guy
9 hours ago
It would be nice if indigenous Brits had representation in government.

teknical100
1 day ago (edited)
She doesn’t she just does as she is told.

davout71
18 hours ago
Wow what a parallel with NZ. Under our supposedly conservative govt up until 2016 our housing became a commodity to wealthy immigrants and the prices went beyond your average Kiwi. Ownership is at an all time low. We now have a left govt but the “conservative” opposition is aching and pushing to open the flood gates in the name of growth. Where will all the people go? As in UK people only talk of supply as far as housing goes but supply never matches the demand. Also in our media and govt immigration is always an absolute good with no negatives.
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DN Stone
16 hours ago
Take care of your beautiful country, luckily you only have 5 million population, while the UK has 70 million, despite only being the same size as New Zealand.

jumble stiltskin
1 day ago
The sectarian violence in Leicester made me think back to the Northern Ireland troubles, which to my mind almost DEFINES the notion of sectarianism. Yet, despite that we did not see pitched battles on the mainland with Catholics and protestants fighting. On the other hand these kerfuffles with the Muslim lot and the Hindus breaks out quite regularly. Living near Birmingham also shows me this happening within the “ghettos” in lozells, handsworth etc.
So if in the case of the catholic/protestant troubles we didnt see it, why then does it bubble quickly with south asians?
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saптоsн ッ
saптоsн ッ
21 hours ago
Bring more pakistani and see why it happens . Its not just britain , its everywhere like sweden , france , nroway , Belgium, spain . Main culprit is islam

Horizon
1 day ago
The only solution is an IMMIGRATION REFERENDUM..
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Zoltan Rudolf
19 hours ago (edited)
Sorry my dear, but young people ARE NOT moving towards more radical ideologies but middle aged and old people definitely ARE! Both Labour and the Conservatives are both dangerously woke, while generations Y and Z are devoting themselves to patriotism, religion and tradition!

Strontium Dog
10 hours ago
Student visas have always been the back door to immigrants, particularly in healthcare

p pullman
1 day ago
Great sensible discussion, thank god we have a younger person who has her own mind and hasn’t been woke or looney left brainwashed. Keep it up New Culture Forum!

Steve Great
1 day ago
Poppy has brains and class.. They will tear her apart.
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Zara
1 day ago
If you have degree speak perfect English and can easily socialize with all jump on a plane then walk to USA

Steven Farrall
1 day ago
High Rents are not soley or even in a major way because immigration. It has most to do with other government failures like bad money, bad tax policy (taxing production / directly subsidising or simply under-taxing land), ZIRP, QE etc etc.

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Baron Ortega
1 day ago
You think population pressure doesn’t have a major effect on “affordable” housing supply? Ok.
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Rich Jones
1 day ago
Referendum on Immigration.
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Ian Faust
15 hours ago (edited)
Apart from a pretty face and her positive desire for the future of Britian there is nothing very intelligent or novel about her boilerplate nativism.
The facts are quite irrefutable globally that legal immigration is and has been a HUGE economic positive for the West. This is why Australia, Germany, Canada and the USA are all eager to have LEGAL immigration at all skill levels. This distinction between Legal and illegal is what makes all the difference in outcomes.
The whinning about rents in London has more to do with the anticompetitive Zoning and regulations in London that restrict building skyscrapers and denser housing. Also, compared to Europe, London is hardly more populous than metropolitan Paris.
The UK has more fundamental problems than immigration – its main problem is that apart from London , there has been no real attempt to reimagine and adapt Britain to the 21st century. Midlands cities are worse than many cities in the developing world and infrastructure is in shambles across much of the nation. The abdication of the State has been complete in many areas of governance making ghettos normalised.
Its fraudulent to blame the violence in Leicester on “lack of integration” – because there is no “Britain” in many parts of the country to integrate with! The State is absent, the police just specators and its but natural that communities take matters into their own hands!
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Mr Ror
11 hours ago
Reading your argumentation has given me the image of a dog chasing its own tail.

Ian Faust
10 hours ago (edited)
@Mr Ror Thats nice to know – Im sure that thought brought you some comfort from the devastation of learning the truth.

Mr Ror
10 hours ago
@Ian Faust the truth can be summed up to the image of a dog chasing its own tail. So, the truth you stated was never and never will be a viable solution.

Ian Faust
7 hours ago
@Mr Ror Its nice you love dogs so much, just dont go overboard.
Also – Facts dont care about your feelings.

Mr Ror
7 hours ago
@Ian Faust I don’t recall sharing any of my feelings in response to the facts you state as the truth. I’m just astounded at the logic of your argumentation. I’m curious to know what solutions you propose. Unless you think there are only accepted facts, and no solutions are worth considering as they might divulge how you feel about the way a society should organise.

Ian Faust
6 hours ago
@Mr Ror You seem to have shared plenty of disdain about my arguments yet with no counter arguments or meaningful critiques from your end.
If you have indeed read my comment it would be clear what solutions would look like be it in terms of how to handle immigration or how to handle the lack of affordable accomodation in London town.
The conceit of saying nothing while dismissing an argument out of hand has been yours alone.
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Mr Ror
5 hours ago
@Ian Faust I was pointing out the paradoxes in your argumentation. You can’t state that the UK and other Western countries have hugely benefited economically from mass legal migration and then point out issues relating to affordable housing and law & order. To me, this doesn’t add up. Your assertion about the huge economic benefits of legal migration is often disputed. Immigrants are not a monolith. Your point also disregards the cultural and educational baggage (or lack thereof) of the said immigrants – and their descendants. Now if you think economic benefit is limited to GDP growth, you might have a point. On housing, demand drives house prices up, so a fast expanding population resulting from continuing high levels of Immigration pushes up demand (concentrated in urban areas) resulting in pauperisation. Finally, pauperisation leads to the necessity for more public spending to support an ever growing number of “mouths to feed”. This in itself is a hellish spiral. And now the best bit, economic prosperity is only possible if there is trust between the members of a society, or if there is law & order. You don’t build a prosperous society by bringing in people with various different cultures who have little to no interest in integrating, this will ultimately create friction that can only damage an economy.
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Martyn Jones
10 hours ago
The painful truth for many with ingrained nationalism and bigotry is that immigration is vital for growth. The choice now is whether we rejoin the single market and allow immigration of our neighbours, or whether we ship-in boat loads of people from Africa and Asia. There is no other option, unless we are to descend to the status of second division economy.

Siobhan McGregor
20 hours ago
Enoch Powell had a few objections in 1968…

PGH Engineer
1 day ago
The working class people that voted for Brexit wanted all the Polski and Romanians sent home, not told they could live here forever, take all the jobs and all the low cost housing and then bring the rest of their family over too.
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Youtube Youtube
Youtube Youtube
1 day ago
Maybe but too many of the working class expect to be given stuff rather than work for it.

PGH Engineer
1 day ago
@Youtube Youtube They aren’t stupid. They know whatever benefits they get are taken by the one hand and given by the other, bribed by their own money, quality of life deteriorating every year.

captain of hope
1 day ago
It seems that the tories serve those who dont like or vote for them, rather than those who do.

Susanna Marker
1 day ago (edited)
Controlled immigration is a social good, not uncontrolled EU immigration and illegal migrants. The UK was forced into the EEC by the USA. That’s why we never got a referendum on joining it. We got a referendum on whether we should stay in 1975, but the leave campaign had no money, while the ‘stay in’ campaign received loads of cash from Brussels.

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Thomas Bootham
Thomas Bootham
1 day ago
Even Charles des Gaulle wanted the uk to stay out of it he said britains interests should stay with the commonwealth which would’ve been mutually beneficial for the both the uk and it’s allies

Mr Ror
1 day ago
Ok, so let me dispel the brexit myths. 1. The architects of brexit never wanted to curb immigration, they wanted to liberalise it. The little people fell for their plastic patriotism while Indians and Pakistanis voted brexit en masse knowing this would serve the interests of their communities. 2. The UK always had control of its borders as an EU member state but decided not to apply provisions to restrict immigration to workers from central and Eastern Europe. 1+2. Brexit means lose-lose for native Brits, not only the UK has now indiscriminately opened its borders to the whole wide world and native Brits have lost their freedom to move to other EU countries that value European civilisation and genuine patriotism. NOW stop thinking Brexit is a right-wing thing, it is not.
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Andy Hunter
Andy Hunter
2 hours ago
When talking of sustainability can we not also reflect on what is a realistically “sustainable population”

Sandie
1 day ago (edited)
Immigration is a good. Well educated or well motivated immigrants will make a nation. Immigrants don’t have to be white Anglo Saxon protestants to be considered worthy, despite what these two might think.
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
Culture is downstream from ethnicity. Remember this when we become a minority.
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Stu McCabe
1 day ago
Certain immigrant populations are so well established as separate from the native population that they are never going to integrate. Their culture and beliefs are not compatible with ours, and as their population increases and ours decreases, we will see more and more conflicts break out. This will likely lead to violence on a significant scale. So no, the mass immigration we have is a terrible.
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C C
1 day ago
Immigration can be a social good, but not as it’s been mismanaged for decades. The problem with using the Brexit vote as an example of anti-immigration sentiment is that nobody knows why people voted Leave or Remain. That’s why the result was such a shock. Nobody bothered to ask what people were voting for, so why pretend to know, now? We live in Wales, where the majority voted Leave but still vote Labour. I think we have a clearer sense of our own National Identity that the main political parties are unwilling to talk about coherently, because patriotism is supposed to be a bad thing if you happen to be English. The point is that neither the Left or Right of politics is willing to have an honest conversation about the perfectly normal human feeling of community with people who share your culture, and “belonging” in your own country. That’s not the same as being “anti-everybody-else”, and the bulk of arguments that label people as racist are really only window dressing for the idea that white working class people don’t have culture and shouldn’t feel entitled to anything.
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thomas robert
1 day ago
support outside your tribe and your tribe will put you outside.
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Baron Ortega
1 day ago
I disagree.
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Grey Voice
1 day ago
Immigration has always been a huge problem. It drives low wages and infrastructure is not being put in place to accommodate immigration , let alone illegal immigration which should never have been allowed to exist in the first place… Everything seems to be about money and enabling certain people to make more money by ensuring minimal investment through low wage workers. In a modern Country you would expect to see more automation , especially in the farming sector negating the requirement for cheap labour which the MSM seems to find the farmer that wants these people as opposed to investing in machinery to harvest their crops… But the Government also seems hell bent on destroying or at the very least reducing National food production…
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Raymond Liderth
11 hours ago
Truss believes all that nonsense till a family of them moves in next door.
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John The Accountant
1 day ago
The younger generation might not accept that they will be poorer but they will be poorer in the west.

roger wood
6 hours ago
ps in leicester there are hardly any LOCAL people left

Rodney Cooper
1 day ago
Britain is now the daftest country in the world. Our politicians are encouraging immigrants who have never paid a cent into Britain and give them money, food and warm accommodation. People who were born here and are nationals who have contributed work and taxes all their lives either direct orVAT or fuel and will be going short of food this winter and most probably will be cold in their houses. The utter nonsense that they are required (for cheap labour) as we are short of labour is no answer. We have plenty of labour of our own but there are obstacles put in front of them such as poor transport or no child care.The politicians reasoning is wholly incorrect.
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imemine
1 day ago
.. and yet we keep voting them in

Profile Photography
1 day ago (edited)
it is not theoretically possible to have limitless economic growth on a finite planet

Mark Hutton
14 hours ago
Awake Not Woke

Hammersmith Bridge
1 day ago
Wish you would interevene – “Who told you the world was going to end? – Specifically who, give us a name or a book you red? – Why did you take that as gospel? Do you take everything everyone tells you as gospel and why this particuar prson?” – We need to know the source of the things these people come out with – I bet she will say “Cant remember it was just something I was hearing” – And this from someone who went o Cambrdge!! God Help us

croftyprojects
1 day ago
How tf do i meet girls like this
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Blue Sky
17 hours ago
“immigration done without public consent” NO it was and still ADAINST public consent.

Gary Marshall
1 day ago
Will you be able to speak with Suella, she is Genuine Conservative with our beliefs. She once said, only way is to exit ECHR, ,does she still believe this ? Is it true Liz wants higher low skilled immigration from India? How does she feel about this?

Nick
1 day ago
Hi
Question didn’t you ever think F you when they wanted you to pay your university fees. Sounds to me young people don’t need university anymore. It was proved during the lockdown when you had to do all your courses on line. To be honest I feel more sorry for the older people who only had a couple of years of reasonable health. Which was stolen by the lockdown’s. While the government were partying .
Cheers.
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thomas robert
1 day ago
the only thing british youth needs to learn is how to strip down and service a gun.
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Kevin Heath
1 day ago
Very difficult to halt immigration when indigenous population are not producing enough children to keep society going.

WarCommissar1
1 day ago
William Clousten isnt bad

Robert W
1 day ago
Basically we’re fucked.

Jackie Sargent
1 day ago
Liz truss beleive’s immigration is a social good when 70 percent of the population believes the opposite ,how is she good for the country and more to the point how can the government justify remaining in power .
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Gill PS
1 day ago (edited)
Poppy Coburn couldn’t be more correct on immigration. It is enraging beyond measure what has been taken away from our younger people and indeed from all of us, even the peace of mind that older people should be able to feel about the futures of their children and grandchildren in the country they have contributed to all their lives. The global picture can’t be ignored here though. The entire West is affected. Why is that? She mentions a ‘libertarian’ and ‘ideological’ agenda, for that is what is and it’s a global phenomenon. How do we counteract this ‘generosity on our dime?
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William Millard
1 day ago
…I mean…you know..

bendtrucker
1 day ago
The problem with the UK is the first past the post system, it is very different to Italy.

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Youtube Youtube
Youtube Youtube
1 day ago
Yes but not better

bendtrucker
1 day ago
@Youtube Youtube Yes, it is far harder for small parties to get started and build support in the UK.

Raymond Liderth
10 hours ago
I was with her all the way till she mentioned Corbyn.

이 이
1 day ago
Send them back
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Bingo Little
1 day ago
She hot and right wing great to see.
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Richard Hill
1 day ago
N̶o̶t̶ ̶R̶e̶p̶l̶a̶c̶e̶m̶e̶n̶t̶

Akhil rocks Rocks
1 day ago
UK had 300,000 immigration this year, most of this are from ethnic minority race,Government need to lower immigration.give residents/citizenship those who invest in the country.
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J Johanesson
1 day ago
I’ll write what many think bit dare not say, we didn’t vote Brexit to end white European immigration to be replaced by non-white increased immigration from Africa and the subcontinent.
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R B
1 day ago
No one to vote for just more WEF placemen.. doomed…
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David Martin
1 day ago
Green Capitalism is possible. People are flexible, can embrace new training and opportunities but I think the Net Zero rubbish should be consigned to the bin.

Leonard Gibney
1 day ago
Until LIBLABCON are no more there will be no solution.

Peter Atkinson
1 day ago
What does Labour offer?

glyn stratford
1 day ago
Liz Truss us our country’s downfall she needs to go

Jason Cornell
1 day ago
The green movement is a watermelon

Chatham Dogend
1 day ago
Mass uncontrolled immigration is the biggest issue facing this overcrowded country, period.
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Sten Peter William Karlsson
1 day ago
[ CULTURAL WHITE ERASURE – Prime Minister Liz Truss Believes Immigration is a Great Socioeconomic Good for Britain, Not the Big Problem ]
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Robert Allen
1 day ago
no imigration no growth no growth no debt repaymant, no debt repaynant bancruptcy no pensions that simple

Steven Hodgson
1 day ago
Hey, you’re lucky, parts of the north and midlands have been part of Islam since the 80’s.

Azyrexos
1 day ago
Coalsburn
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MuseTheReaper
MuseTheReaper
1 day ago
Huh?

DN Stone
19 hours ago
Immigration is good for conservative wealth hierarchy.

sadako24
22 hours ago
Scumbag youtube censors have deleted my comment

Ned Simlish
1 day ago
Immigration can be good. The UK would have no-one to work in Hotels and the Building Trade would grind to a halt without it. It is uncontrolled and illegal immigration that is not only a problem, but if allowed to continue at the same rate for another 10 years will end UK society as we know it. The demographics will be unrecognizable, the number of people not working will go through the roof, english will become a second language, and organised crime will govern ever town and city.
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
Illegal migration is very small, in relation to legal immigration.
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Michael Seddon
1 day ago
Just don’t vote for lousy Labour if you want anything done to curb mass immigration.

Mark Hutton
14 hours ago
How to spread the misinformation.
Conservatives don’t want to stop ALL progress, just ensure change is necessary. Conservatism is a flywheel NOT a brake.
It is also worth pointing out that capitalists do not have a monopoly on greed. Greed is a function of humanity, not capitalism.
The most cut throat businessman I eve met called himself a Communist.
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D Bruce
1 day ago
How come you journos can’t tell us why they can’t/won’t reduce immigration?
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Mr Ror
1 day ago
Answer: UN human rights conventions.
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Evola’s Sunglasses
1 day ago
@Mr Ror that’s downstream from the intrests of International finance
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Heathcliff Flowen
1 day ago
Each economic migrant pays tens of thousands of pounds for visas to the government.

Legionsmiles
1 day ago
Get a bun in your oven
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Tom
1 day ago
Not sure why people are concerned about immigration. The Tories are already here. The damage they have done beggers description.
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burtlangoustine1
1 day ago
The Botox in the bottom lip tells me this: A wannabe future politician willing to live a lie to portray things as better than they really are?
Sorry, Britain needs genuine articles and LESS narcissism.
She has good passion and brilliant words. She might be good for British politics in 20-30 years, after she’s lived and experienced reality with any further competence.
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Ned Donkin
1 day ago
Talk more slowly, Poppy.
I lose some of what you are saying, because you seem to swallow your words.
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Timothy Martin
1 day ago
@ Ned Donkin
Ned if you go into the setting of the video ( : ) the 3 verticals dots in right corner ov the screen you can change the speed of the video playback.
PS I found Poppy very clear to understand.
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Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
How many british migrants since brexit ? like africans, british r migrants too

Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
she is too young, a country without immigration does not exist, British migrats a lot too

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jazztheglass
1 day ago
Japan accepted less than 80 refugees last year, nearly all were from China, a very similar culture. Japan is bigger than the uk. Like Singapore it places restrictions on permanent migrants. Japan and Singapore are 2 of the most successful, safest, and stable societies in the world
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Didier Lemoine
1 day ago
@jazztheglass 80 refugies declared u mean, most migrants r not declared in japan

jazztheglass
1 day ago (edited)
@Didier Lemoine they accepted less than 80. Other people are accepted as foreign workers or residents. They are not citizens, resident status can be withdrawn, frequently it is, depending on circumstances
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Baron Ortega
1 day ago
Nobody here is arguing for 0 immigration.

John Butcher
1 day ago
but i’m sure if they were white from united states you would be perfectly okay
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Stu McCabe
1 day ago
Yes, of course. People from the US have a similar values, culture, religion, beliefs – in short, they’re more compatible with us and more likely to integrate successfully. Many/most from places like Pakistan will never integrate.
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Vinn Paraffin
1 day ago
@Stu McCabe ……..as can be seen by the fracas in Leicester!
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Baron Ortega
1 day ago
I would sooner have people with have some cultural ties with than not.
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