Woes: Hello.. And welcome back to Millenniyule 2021. This is the final stream of the first night. And this is with Auron MacIntyre. Now you might have heard it pronounced different ways, but apparently the correct way is “Orin”.

So welcome Auron to Millenniyule. And would you like to introduce yourself to my audience. Because I know that there will be overlap. But some people might not know you.

So welcome.

Auron MacIntyre: Yeah, absolutely man. Thank you so much for having me. I’m somebody who’s been doing YouTube, and I guess Twitter’s probably what I’m known for more a little more now. It wasn’t my attention. But I’ve been doing YouTube for about a year and a half.

Woes: I have to say, I do see your tweets being shared around on Gab and Telegram, an awful lot. It’s screenshoted and shared around. So that’s yeah, you know, obviously that’s, … I’m not on YouTube anymore. And I’m not on Twitter anymore. So it’s difficult to keep track of where people are. And what they’re good at. So my apologies for not realizing that. But, you know, Twitter is something that constantly evolves the landscape, so.

Auron MacIntyre: Yeah. No problem. We could all be gone off there tomorrow. So there’s no reason to, … It’s nice to do well there, but don’t expect your account to exist the next day. But yeah, mainly my focus was doing YouTube. And just someone who used to work a little bit in politics. And then I was a reporter and just watching a lot of what was going on the political landscape 2015, 2016, especially.

Like a lot of people kind of saw things weren’t working the way that I had them described to me. They didn’t make a lot of sense the way I had learnt politics was supposed to work.

And so I started reading stuff that was a little more off the beaten path. Listening to some people who I hadn’t heard of before. And that just kind of took me down the rabbit hole.

And as I was reading all these different things, you know, I was somebody who likes to describe kind of what I’m learning and that kind of thing. So started putting that on YouTube. And that’s kind of how the channel got started.

Woes: So when was that? When did you start your channel?

Auron MacIntyre: Like I said, I think about a year and a half ago. I think we’re about that point. So it hasn’t been very long. I’m relatively new. It’s kind of interesting, because I’m still catching up with a lot of the history. There’s so many people who’ve been around this for six, seven, eight years some a decade, you know, in some of these cases. Not YouTube but in other places, forums and such.

And. So I’m relatively new. I’m playing catch up with a lot of this stuff. But just doing my best to kind of look at a lot of political theory and that kind of thing and just like I said, make videos as I went along different things I was learning. That kind of thing.

Woes: Yeah. I mean, it’s a nice, like that first year and a half, I can remember my first sort of year. And it was really liberating, because at that point there isn’t the weight of expectations from viewers. You’re just sort of improvising and seeing what works and what doesn’t. So it’s a very nice time. The first few years is really nice.

In my case it, and that’s maybe to do with my own psychology. But I eventually felt sort of paralyzed by various things, including the censorship. Which is something that you will face on YouTube.

But nonetheless, you mentioned that the political system didn’t work as you had believed it worked. So can you go into that in it? I mean, I don’t know if this is the kind of thing you want to talk about but, …

Auron MacIntyre: Oh no, that’s fine!

Woes: It’s an interesting statement. So if you could clarify.

Auron MacIntyre: Sure. I mean, I got my degree in politics I worked in kind of American Republican Party politics a little bit. And like I said as a reporter. And it was just a situation where you’d been taught that you go out you get support from constituents. Obviously you’ve got the influence of big lobbies and that kind of thing.

But for the most part just the general representation in government that you’d expect. It’s what you get taught in like a civics class, or an American government class, or whatever.

And that was the way I’d approached it. And especially as I was reporting I wasn’t working for a big outlet. I was working for something small and regional. But just watching the sausage get made being in kind of these press gaggles. And watching kind of the news get shaped in real time, was a little bit eye-opening.

And then. On top of that just obviously the Trump election. The first one and everything that went into that. And how wrong the polls were. How wrong the reporting had been. How much it seemed like the press was willing to lie about the issues that mattered to people. And what was pushing the environment.

[05:04]

Woes: Yeah. Sorry. I’m sorry to interrupt.

Auron MacIntyre: No problem.

Woes: The thing about the media lying about different issues about stories, when did you first notice that? Because I think for a lot of people the first time was the Trayvon Martin case. I think a huge one was the Trump election, Hillary Clinton. The dishonesty was just astonishing then.

And then, of course, subsequent things, Covid. And then the 2020 election. And, of course, the George Floyd thing. But what would you say? I mean, what’s your relationship with the mainstream media and trusting it?

Auron MacIntyre: Well, like I said, it was interesting to actually be in the room when a lot of these things happen. Because I started noticing that the questions that people had would often have nothing to do with the actual event they were at, or what the person was talking about.

And I think really a lot of it was watching the immigration issue. It seemed so clear and obviously that it impacts Europe and America differently.

But in America it’s so clear that mass immigration is not popular. It’s not popular with Democrats, or Republicans. No one really seems to want this except for a very specific portion of activist voters. But it never changes. The Republicans seem to think it’s essential. Obviously the Democrats think it’s essential.

And no matter what their base says, no matter what the polls say, nothing ever actually changes! Their positions always are pro-open borders in one way, or another. Even the people who are supposed to be against it, don’t actually take any kind of action!

And just watching issues consistently like that. Immigration is just one example. But there are so many where both parties were willing to take things that were wildly unpopular, and push that agenda. And then again, that’s just not the way that representative democracy is supposed to work.

And if that’s not what’s happening, then what is actually happening? And that’s what again led me to start reading different thinkers, different political theories. Looking for, okay if the popular representation of democracy is not actually what’s driving the system, what is driving the system? And that’s where I started searching.

Woes: Yeah. I mean, I’m guessing you would say it’s an oligarchy.

Auron MacIntyre: Yes.

Woes: I know that you have a video on your channel called “How the US Became an Oligarchy”. So that this would seem to marry with my previous stream, to some extent. Which was with Mark Malone. And we were talking about, …

Well yeah. Let’s go into the concept of “oligarchy”. Because. A lot of people have heard the word. But they might not know exactly what it means. So, how would you define that?

Auron MacIntyre: Well a lot of people hear oligarchy. And they think that that means just a bunch of people with money, run your country. And it certainly can. But oligarchy just means:

“Rule by the few.”

I think that’s literally like the Greek translation. It just means that a small group of people, usually a particular class, but it could be anything, are what’s running your country. In the case of America, again a lot of people assume that it’s entirely money driven. And, of course, that’s a massive part of it.

But I would say, and I won’t be the first to say this. I would say it’s far closer to a “theocratic oligarchy”. Where we have a small priestly class running kind of the ideology that really dictates the political thought, and in many ways the values that are pushed through kind of our consensus making apparatus, our media, our intelligentsia, our education system, everything.

And so, because we have a system that’s like this, obviously, in a democracy you need the people in order to rule. And at least theoretically of course, you know, America is a democracy. And so the key, if you need to get people to vote a certain way, is to control their access to information, control what people think. And again, none of this is revolutionary.

You can go back and read Noam Chomsky. And all kinds of people who are saying similar things. But they are always saying it from the Left. They’re saying it from a position of they think that things aren’t radically left enough. And then it’s.z And they’re being controlled. But obviously, we would come through a different direction.

Woes: Of course! And I guess from their perspective, … I think Chomsky would have been writing from the 60s onwards. But I actually don’t know. I know that he’s like in his 90s now. But assuming this is the 60s, 70s, 80s, their notion was that the media, large corporations, were run by conservatives. Which is Right-wingers, economically, and culturally.

I’m not sure that that was true even in the 60s. I don’t know. I mean,. What do you think about, what would you say about that? Like was their bogeyman a fictitious one even when they were writing about it, or not?

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Auron MacIntyre: Well I think that at that time the seeds of what they would call the counter cultural movement, but now has just become what is the mainstream culture, was there. And that’s what they thought was being held back. I think the truth is the majority of our country at that time and up to this point today increasingly is under this way of a managerial class right. It’s not necessarily that the managerial class was fighting against their values at the time and I think, at this point, the managerial class has all but adopted their values. I think the managerial class was using what was most effective at the time to control people and get people where they wanted them to be.

At the time of in the 60s and 70s that you the counterculture was so far outside the norm that. I don’t think it was useful for the vast majority. But it was a very valuable wedge that they were able to later use and.z Now I’ve obviously come to dominate our culture.

Woes: Well absolutely there’s I tend to think of the example of Martin Luther King as the cuddly side of it. He was the safe alternative. And that this is the safe option, the main stream up the option that was palatable to the mainstream and then there were more extreme radicals like Lefty Marxist anarchists and black activists who were not palatable to the mainstream. But it’s their ideas, because he was accepted and assimilate his ideas assimilated into the mainstream I say his ideas, you know what I mean, then, because that happened it’s now the radicals whose ideas are adopted and even mandated in the mainstream. So it’s obviously a slippery slope thing.

Auron MacIntyre: Yeah one of the keys especially again in a system like democracy is wherever there’s division where there’s disagreement there’s an opportunity to rule. And so what you’re constantly trying to do is out flank people. And the only way in our culture to outflank people especially among the elites that’s acceptable is to move to the Left. And so there’s always a race for more power and power always rests to the Left, because that’s the only acceptable direction for politics to move. And so at the time, of course, like you’re saying King was the more presentable face but as more, and more, people want to take more, and more, power the only place for them to outflank their opponents in their class is to move further and further to the Left. And the only thing they can do is adopt more, and more, radical positions in order to obtain that power and push their rivals further down the ladder.

Woes: Yeah. So I suppose the question would be we to what extent. I mean, we can understand the Left and the Right as labels that were definitely still relevant in the 60s, 70s 80s. But I think probably from the 90s onwards those labels have are less, and less, applicable now we do still have a far Left for sure they antifa. But I’m not even sure that they represent what they think they. I mean, they side with big business constantly they oppress the little man gleefully they laugh at people being subjected to poverty, because of their ideas they mock the dispossessed the marginalized the disenfranchised so they call themselves far Left. But I’m not sure I really I’m not sure in what ways they are. And they certainly I don’t believe that they have much solidarity with the working class I think that has just completely fallen away that pretension, or well for that attitude on the Left I’m sure at one point it was genuine for a lot of them. But then on the Right. Well, I guess the Right the mainstream right have remained pretty consistent in that they believe in economic freedom that’s about it really. Yeah, I don’t really know what else you could say. But then obviously our consensus has now been reached where yes well this might now be obsoleted by Covid and the Great Reset. And all of this but certainly in the 2000s the 90s 2000s 2010s there was a consensus where you could have economic freedom. And you could [15:01] we’re not going to shame anyone for being rich, or becoming rich. As but so you can have that. But you’ve also got to have the Left-wing ideas the cultural ideas of the far Left. So that’s the consensus that I guess neo-liberal I don’t know what label you would call that, but now we seem to be moving into a wholly new era and I guess we can get on to that later. But, at this point, like if we survey the 2010s for that era. Do you think that the terms Left and Right were still valid in any real way, or in what ways.

Auron MacIntyre: I think that the confusion we have is that especially in the Western tradition we’ve, at this point, we took two halves of liberalism. And we just kind of cracked them and spread them over our political spectrum. And so I don’t think we really have a Right-wing. I think we have a Progressive Left and a classical left we have a Progressive Left. And we have a class classical liberals they like to call themselves now right. And so what we really had was just this tension between old liberalism and progressive liberalism. I don’t think we’ve had really a Right-wing. And that’s why you see so much confusion as oh how could the Left be, you know, siding with big business how could they be supporting these rich mega don’t be supported by these rich mega donors well. I don’t think it’s very hard the I think the point is the best explanation I think I’ve heard of the Left and right divide is hierarchies. Whether you agree that natural hierarchies are good. And to be followed and valuable and should be woven into the fabric of society, or whether they should be subverted. And so the Left is less about helping the weak as, or the working class, so much as they are for using those people at the moment to subvert the natural hierarchy, because that allows them to again generate power. The power was in deconstructing classical ideas of the way society should be classic hierarchies and empowering people who otherwise would not be in power. And when you do that you’re making them subservient to you they own you they, or you own them they wouldn’t have power without you. And so they’re what they’re doing is building a coalition of the weak and at early on that might have been the working class that might have been, you know, poor that might have been women, or whatever. But as they continue to moon as they continue to subvert those hierarchies they need to move to ever more extremes in order to find people who would benefit from their coalition and be entirely enthralled to it. And so I think that’s why there’s so much confusion as to what Left and Right really meant, because we took the definition that was handed to us well the Right is about big business and cutting taxes and whatever right. But that’s not what Right-wing is that’s never what Right-wing was and Left wing surely was not about just helping the every man. It was about seeking power. And if at the moment the rhetoric about helping the working man was good for them then. That’s what they subscribe to.

Woes: I think there is. It’s important to differentiate between different parts of the Left you’ve got the pragmatists the activists the leaders. And then you’ve got the actual true believers they’re the useful idiots the and the again the well-intentioned people who really do want to help the needy and the marginalized. I mean, obviously they’re going to have different motivations these groups. And some of them are going to be just arch pragmatists using pre-existing schisms and fault lines in order to accrue power. And then there are the ones who just get dragged along with that and tell themselves no this is for the greater good this is for the better of but I guess that then we can move into this era. And. It seems to me that now. I mean, we still use the term the Left. And I think that’s probably going to persist even for those of us who think it’s an outmoded term we still use it to refer to increasingly unsuitable things like the global the global elite the global finance high finance we’re using the term the Left to describe the forces that impose LGBT onto kids at schools and big business which imposes values of diversity onto the public. And I mean, calling that the Left is kind of ridiculous. And yes it does seem to be where we are [20:01] and people I think the term is going to possess, because it’s just there. But, at this point, it’s not a coalition of the weak. It’s like it’s very much a coalition of the strong, at this point, that’s what I was going to get to that I think certainly once upon a time the Left was a coalition of the weak. It was the marginalized the whatever the minorities and all this. But, at this point, that just doesn’t. I mean, I can imagine that antifa still believe that. They still have that conception of themselves. But they are just they are just the lack they’re the useful idiots, at this point, the Left is the is not a coalition of the weak it’s the coalition of the most powerful entities in the well certainly in the Western world, you know, big tech the World Health Organization, the World Economic Forum the UN the EU so it’s you see what I mean, it’s not really the Left anymore in any real sense.

Auron MacIntyre: Sure. But that’s always true, right? Like there’s always the eternal revolution is essential right we see this in so many ways right that when communist parties come to power the it’s still the revolutionary party right. And this is the case with the Left like yes they control everything they control almost every institution they have an iron grip on culture like finance absolutely. But they still portray themselves as just one loss away from civilizational collapse the return to women being shackled to their kitchens and slavery returning yeah we’re only one election away and forget even the election, at this point, in America we’re getting a story, or two every other day from the press about how, you know, Donald Trump’s gonna rush in and initiate a coup at any moment democracy is over, right? And so even when they have almost complete and total control this narrative is still in the forefront. It’s so central to their identity that even when they have absolutely crushing totalitarian power more power than they’ve ever had especially in a place like America they’re still the desperate victims who are one Supreme Court justice away from The Handmaid’s Tale right.

Woes: Yeah, it’s incredible how this have they managed to maintain this self-image of the underdog and how everything is, I mean, yeah we’ve made progress we’ve made great progress. But there’s still so far Left to go! Well no pun intended. There’s just so much left still to achieve.

And I saw a tweet the other day shared around it was about how the what was it the it was a judgment one of these recent trials in America and the comment was that it’s so unusual for justice to prevail. And it was like a black murderer had got off, or something like that. And it’s like all right see this is how can they tell themselves that how can they tell themselves that White supremacy is reigning in a supreme in America today that is incredible. And I think this does get to this point that about we’re now at this stage where we cannot coexist with these people. I mean, people individuals are saying that I’m not going to say that as some kind of fact I’m just saying people are saying that now that we’ve reached a stage where it’s just impossible, because we live in entirely different worlds we have entirely different conceptions of things I mean, and now, of course, Covid has become another sk another fault line here. But I think a lot of the Left genuinely believe that, for example, Donald Trump was a fascist. And he was what he wanted to be Hitler he wanted to round people up. And he was a crazed racist. I mean, there is no. And, of course, they’ll cite things like he wants to build a wall. But then so did Hillary Clinton ten years earlier. And I think Barack Obama even talked about it at the start of his presidency. So it’s quite remarkable how this keeps going on and I’ve forgotten where I was going with this did you have anything to say about that?

Auron MacIntyre: Yeah, no absolutely. I mean, we look at the pace of change and you look at Barack Obama’s position on same-sex marriage in 2008. Was that marriage was between a man and a woman. Less than 50, or what like 16, 17 years later whatever we are at the point where that position will get you fired from working at a MacDonald’s, right? Like [25:00] you can’t hold a basic working a basic average, you know, minimum wage job with that position and say it out loud, at this point. And so if you want to know the pace that we are running is extreme. But again I think that this is largely part of again this power struggle. I think that the idea that fascism is just around the corner and the collapse of democracy will happen the moment that there’s one Supreme Court ruling in favour of the Right this is part of their founding myth right. This is the founding myth of the new civic religion there’s this great book by Christopher Caldwell a very normal mainstream American conservative who wrote this book that I can’t believe got published honestly about kind of the civil rights regime and how basically the good intentions of kind of people in the 50s and 60s and how the idea of civil rights was sold to middle America was used to basically create a bypass illegally for protected classes. And, because this incentive was set up to basically let anyone who is defined as a protective cl protected class completely circumvent the Constitution and work through this civil rights legislation this kind of web of civil rights rulings and legislations and such it basically incentivized everyone to identify in one way shape, or form as a protected class. And so we just see this rush continuously to find more, and more, marginalized groups that again can be used to circumvent the law everything is an emergency know we have to take emergency steps, because at any point we could just have it all collapse and, you know, go back to pre-civil war America. And this is absolutely essential it’s an essential myth for them to keep pushing, because it’s literally the basis for the power it’s for many people this is what America is. Now this is American history to the point where we have the New York Times trying to go back and literally rewrite American history with things like this the 1619 project so that they can fit everything into this myth American history actually started in 1619 and then teleported into 1965. Yeah nothing in between.

Woes: And it’s the same in Britain, you know, in Britain there’s a coin a 50 Pence like 50p coin was unveiled about, I don’t know, six months ago that says Diversity Built Britain as a special edition coin. And there were loads of them in circulation now, so diversity Bill Britain but diversity only started in like 1950. So I mean, there wasn’t a Britain prior to 1950. Yeah, that’s the message implicit in that coin there’s nothing there’s no other interpretation possible really Britain just didn’t really exist it was just a wasteland.

Auron MacIntyre: Yeah in a lot of ways. All I can say is I’m sorry, because this poison seeped right out of American media and universities and all across the Western world. This is why you see “Black Lives Matter” protests in Ireland right. You see “Black Lives Matter” protests in places where there is no historical context where there isn’t even a population to be offended, or oppressed. But it doesn’t matter, because every one of the elites that is being educated in American universities is being soaked in American cultures knows that this dogma is the functional religion of their caste. And it’s also the main way they outflank each other the main way to advance yourself is to be more woke than the person to your left you have to outflank them. And so there’s just this constant incentive inside America. And unfortunately throughout most of the air places that America influences to take up this banner even when there is no historical connection in your homeland no no grievance to actually be levi it doesn’t matter this is still the way that class of managerial elite is taught to behave it’s the way they are educated the values that are inculcated in them and.z That’s what they carry with them no matter where they go.

Woes: Yeah and the BLM thing obviously took a step up in like last year in the middle of last year with the George Floyd death. And that was. I mean, it was just unbelievable! That then you had BLM demos in London but you also had them in like Stockholm and Germany and the Netherlands. It was really quite something. I mean, I could understand at least a cultural connection [30:00] in the within the Anglosphere between America and Britain so I could. I mean, it would still be ridiculous to have BLM stuff going on here. But when you’re talking about Sweden. And these other countries it’s just preposterous. But, of course, this is more to do with the global culture, at this point. I think that it’s the West is culturally one large single thing to a great extent, at this point, where it wasn’t even 20 years ago. Now I’ve mentioned recently on my own show that I went to Amsterdam in 2001 and it still it felt quite foreign, you know. I mean, I was about 20, 18, or something. And this is I was young. And I was there and it felt different if you go and I went back a couple of years ago just before cobit and now it just feels like a global city so this it’s absorbed all of this. And so I think and this I’m not having a I’m certainly not having a go at you for, or about, or at America I don’t enjoy seeing this. But I think that the age of America being the sort of centre of the modern world and modern life is kind of over. Now I think we’re moving into a more amorphous state of things where there is just global culture. And what it means I guess is limited to the West to a great extent. But still, I don’t think America is as is as influential as essential to all of this as it used to be, as I say, I’m not anti-American I don’t enjoy saying that I just think it’s the reality of things. Now something he said earlier was that the Left has historically used it’s created a sense of emergency in order to justify doing things especially with regard to minority groups. But in the last two years the a new emergency has arisen that that eclipses all minority groups which is Covid. And I think a really telling example of this is that in Australia they are rounding up aborigines who refuse to get vaccinated and putting them into quarantine camps isolation camps. Now two years ago this would have been completely unimaginable unbelievable, because they are just the op just on an optics level it’s really an egregious violation of modern of progressive ideas. The idea that you could arrest and quarantine people of a minority group and large numbers of them and then not hate yourself for doing this not castigate yourself for doing this not find out the people responsible for the making this decision and get them fired it’s just incredible because, of course, Australia has this history with the aborigines and they oppress their oppression. And so on, but Covid eclipses the aborigine thing and it eclipses their status as an oppressed minority. And I think it’s going to be the same elsewhere as well. I think it will be the same in Canada and America if the Covid programme is it goes as far in those countries as it’s gone in Australia then I think you’ll probably see the same thing the equivalents happening where race is just ignored and people are quarantined isolated, arrested, fined, and possibly imprisoned, even when it’s clearly when there are clear racial trends involved in it. And I think that, because this is the point that we now seem to be moving beyond even this. I mean, obviously BLM is still going to persist, because it’s useful to the powers that be it’s a good way to deconstruct the White majority in the Western countries it’s still going to go on. But I think there’s also this new paradigm of Covid and climate change which is going, which is going to take precedence over it so you’ll have that race just does not matter anymore it, or at least it’s not the number one it’s not the top of the victim hierarchy I think the victim hierarchy I guess you could say the top of that is going to be the planet planet [35:00] earth, or the human species as a totality the vaccinated the good portion of the human species I don’t know. And that’s just some random thoughts would you have any responses to that.

Auron MacIntyre: Well I think in America it’s always going the, or I shouldn’t say always but for there’s still some rubber left on that tyre for them when it comes to using racial issues as a wedge. So I think they’ll continue to use it but what they’ll use it for is what we saw with again the George Floyd riots the BLM riots where it’s lockdowns for everyone except. Those who are on the holy mission of Marching in the name of George Floyd, right? And so you’ll probably see the requirement for compliance apply to people of all races but they’ll be special dispensations given for.z Those who are serving the regime in the proper way and also for they’ll be selective enforcement on certain communities you’re probably far less likely to see it enforced on some communities than others.

Now that said I think that you’re right that the Australian model shows us how quickly the Left can discard racial narratives when they need to right. And then that’s why I say it’s kind of useful to understand. That it was always about power and not necessarily about the underdog, or the working class, or racial minorities, or any of these things. And so I think what you’re seeing. Now, in the West is it basically a totalitarian arms race there’s this guy Bertrand juvenile. And he said:

“That basically states are always in a totalitarian arms race, because power naturally wants to centralize.”

And so as soon as like France gets the levee on mass you got to figure out a way to conscript your population. Because, if you don’t France is just going to roll you, right? And so anytime a neighbouring country achieves a certain level of control over their population other countries that want to compete basically have to get on that level, or fall behind. And so we obviously we’re when we’re talking about globalization we see more interaction and the these governments these elites are more likely to work together it’s less combative than it might have been in history before hand. But I think you’re still in a situation where these governments see an obvious way they can accelerate their control over their populations and again maybe even due to our connect connectivity they’re able to justify those, you know, taking those rights in reducing the protections that maybe minorities and other classes would have had against these things, because it becomes even more essential to push like you said the vaccinations the quarantines. It’s for their own good, at the end of the day, right it’s that you’re not hurting them you’re helping them they just couldn’t get it they just couldn’t get the vaccines like they couldn’t isolate. So it’s all in their interest anyway it’s not actually they’re not real prison camps even people on the Australian, you know, centre and centre-Right are saying:

“Oh don’t be ridiculous these are basically resorts, right? Like they’re showing women in bikinis on Instagram. So basically these things are they’re just voluntary they’re just it’s just a nice place for people to sit out their summer and enjoy getting a than that’s all they are.

 

Woes: I mean, the thing is, I’m sure, it’s not slave Labour I’m sure it is quite leisurely. But it’s still you can’t leave. I mean, it’s you’ll get arrested you’ll get chased down hunted and brought back if you try to leave. I mean, it is clearly incarceration, or containment I don’t know what if a different word would be more palatable. But it is a reduction of a clear reduction in your liberty even if you’re not being working an assault mine, or something like that. It still is that thing. But I don’t know this I think you’re right that they will and somebody commented this that they’ll just do whatever works if this month they need BLM pushed then they’ll allow BLM marches to breach covert rules. But if this month they need a rise in vaccinations then they will then I can imagine them saying no no BLM this month this month, because that would violate Covid regulations. And so on, and this minority group that has been historically oppressed and that we’ve been going on about being historically oppressed for decades. Well, they’re not getting the vaccines. So clearly they need better education and they need a helping hand into the back of the van so that they can get vaccinated. And that sort of thing I think because. And this is the full spectrum dominance of the airwaves that they now have thanks to the castration of social media they can just get away with whatever it doesn’t really matter they don’t need. Because the people who would have asked questions are no longer employed in the media that it’s all of one mind now. And I think this is what really one of the things that really emerged with Covid that there is no opposition certainly not within polite society anymore whereas, you know, again even in the 90s there was and even in the 2000s there were news interviewers who would disagree with the Prime Minister with the President with the Health Secretary, or whatever whereas now everything that they say is just taken as gospel well quite remarkable.

Auron MacIntyre: I think you’re right that their ability to manipulate media has gotten to the point where they feel like they can get away with anything. But that’s as much a problem for them as a solution, because it provides to them a temptation which is dangerous in a traditional situation where you need to manufacture a consent you need human networks, right? Like you need to have a consistent message that works itself through many different institutions you have to take time laying the groundwork building the ideology, you know, in order to bring about the level of control we’re talking about now they just have this constant fire hose of propaganda that they can fire at pretty much anyone. And they can change what the story is at any given moment so like you’re saying whatever works. But the problem is that at some point that probably has diminishing returns right I think of people who taught who, you know, used to say:

“Well once, you know, we have certain kinds of bombs, or something then that’s the end of traditional warfare right. Because. Like. You can just people will just carpet bomb a place from the sky and that’ll be the end of every war.”

 

But then you look at something like Afghanistan. And you see that actually the most advanced military in the world can lose to a bunch of guys with Stone Age technology in a lot of ways, because they don’t have the traditional necessary, you know, ground game to get it done. And I think that they the regime kind of threatens itself with its liberal use of kind of this propaganda constantly switching stories you going to whatever works for power at any given time it’s lazy and it and while they feel like they can get away with anything right now I feel like eventually this has this has diminishing returns eventually people start seeing through the cracks. But obviously at the moment they’re getting a lot of efficiency out of it. So they’re continuing to do it they’re continuing to just hit us with BLM, you know, one week and the end of democracy the next week in Covid the next week and like you said climate change, at the end of the day, they’re looking for that formula that gives them a endless power right where they can always just draw on this issue they thought it was going to be race and they tried to set up climate change for a long time. And it never quite stuck but Covid seemed like the golden moment right but even now. It seems like that might wane. And so they’re kind of trying to switch climate change into that spot but you just don’t know where they’re going to land. And that’s a problem for them in the long run.

Woes: Well, I mean, yeah I can see what you mean my previous guest said that in his opinion this is all quite pre-planned and the covert thing was just an emergency I mean. What do you I guess we he said. That it was an emergency sort of tool to in order to accelerate things what would you….. I mean, we should probably talk about your general views about Covid but the last two years, because. This is the first time you’ve appeared on Millennial it tends to be certainly for this year and last year it’s been a central issue the central issue. So in just in general terms how would you characterize Covid Covid-19 the Great Reset the lockdowns the vaccine. And so on.

Auron MacIntyre: Well I think the one of the great things that the Left benefits from, or whatever you want to call them the global elite. I think one of the great things they benefit from is that string of hold on propaganda. Because, if we look back at the beginning of Covid they didn’t take it seriously right this was their storyline was this is not going to be a big deal you can see fouchy talking about how nobody needs to worry about this you had Nancy Pelosi saying if you’re worried about Covid you’re racist this is anti-asian propaganda you need to go out like she literally went out with [45:01] San Francisco politicians and said you have to go to Chinatown and hug a Chinese person to show that you’re not worried about Covid like this is a real thing they did and we’ve just disappeared this is all down the memory hole. But at the beginning of this thing the Left was dismissing this and even using their standard like oh it’s racist to care about this disease. But as the death toll started to tick up and as this started to look like it might have some legs we started to see a shift in their position and, because they control the media and they control all the consensus-making apparatus they get to dictate the story. And they get to take dictate the positions that the opposition picks up and so once they decided that they needed to shift positions they just started painting any kind of concern about Covid as their position any and opposition to any kind of mitigation was Right-wing conspiracy mongering, right? Like this it was Alex Jones stuff, or whatever right and.z And so they did this switch where they completely 180 their position over the course of a month, or so, as the numbers looked like they were going to change and kovit’s a real disease like people die from. It’s not crazy that that you needed to take some steps against it. But obviously they saw once they could manufacture this a huge advantage, because they could turn this thing into a situation for control it became what they always wanted something like climate change to be something that was always going to be with us could always justify more lockdowns passports, you know, well tracking all this stuff could be justified through this all the stuff that they wanted for a long time. And they could also use this at the same time to leverage it against their enemies and paint them as crazy anti-science, you know, conspiracy wackos. And so again, because they control the narrative they’re able to make this change in real time and avoid what could have been a disaster narrative wise for them while also backing the entire Right-wing into this position of like oh it’s no big deal.

Woes: Yeah, it’s really worked out well for them it’s been a fantastic strategy I think that my own perception of this is that the national governments were still in charge for the first few months. And then over the course of March the Bill Gates Bill and melinda Gates foundation, the World Economic Forum these sorts of bodies sent their people to the national government and persuaded them, or simply decreed. I don’t know here’s what’s here’s what you’re going to do here’s a better approach here’s what you should do and, you know, you’ve got to take this seriously. And even when the numbers start to go down again. And it’s clear that it isn’t a terrible killer you’re still going to scaremonger your public your citizens your voters and, because this is a programme that this is what this is the programme we want I think that as yours. And I remember it the I think Nancy Pelosi I remember in Britain that they were saying we’ll just go for hired immunity that was Boris Johnson’s original thing I remember in Italy they were saying that they had a thing about hug a Chinese person and then there were lots of deaths. But again those deaths were it’s not clear why? Because they were shoving people into all like care homes into a confined space together. And then there’s the medicines who knows whether that was engineered, or not I’m not saying it was I’m just saying I wouldn’t, at this point, nothing would surprise me at all so they very quickly I think that it seems likely to me that what happened was the national governments were just bumbling along doing their thing as usual in February 2020. But by the end of March, or by April may 2020 the more much more overtly globalist organizations had taken control of it. And that’s why you see this change from the sort of 2010’s attitude of oh it’s racist to be against to think that this is a serious virus to this is a very serious virus and we shoot a very serious disease and it now eclipses everything to the point where we’ll even, you know, quarantine minority groups. And so on, in order to control it. I mean, that seems to have been the change that I don’t know. I mean, I’m not saying [50:00] this is definitely the case it just seems like a profound change happened in the first half of 2020.

Auron MacIntyre: Yeah. And I think what it is we have a decentralized global governance. And so what you have is lag time, right? Like you had a point at which. I don’t think this stuff is completely centrally planned. And so you have a moment where the Left isn’t sure what to do, or again, you know, global elites whatever they’re not sure what to do they’re not sure what the plan is going to be how we’re going to run this but once the you start seeing the narrative take shape that’s. When you see the NGOs, you know, media organizations everybody starts stepping in okay this is what we’re going to do but you’ll notice that even through all of that the American border stayed wide open right so yeah, so, you know, Australia might be putting people in, you know, aborigines and camps. But in America that we’re not even pumping the brakes on illegal immigration. And so you can see what the actual goal is in here right. And I’m sure at some level some of these people believe this right there, the mid-tier managers probably are on board with this. But but, at the end of the day, the goal never changes even if the mechanism changes we’re always pushing the same direction.

Woes: Yeah a good example of this contradiction was in Germany where the borders were effectively closed they weren’t accepting any people coming over except for refugees and refugees were entirely immediate. This was a I don’t know when.z This was a period in the middle of 2020 where refugees were entirely immune from border controls they could still flow into Germany in whatever numbers. But no one else. And that’s quite incredible really, because obviously refugees you’ve got no idea where they have come from what medical treatment they’ve had what experiences they’ve had along the way of their travels they’re the last people you would let in during a pandemic. And yet they’re the only ones that Germany dead later.

Auron MacIntyre: So I can give you a good chuckle here you might not be familiar with this, because it, because it’s America-centric but during in the last few months obviously we had that situation where the Covid lockdowns and Donald Trump had said there was gonna be this check coming and then Joe Biden won. And he said:

“This check was gonna come this relief check is, you know, fifteen hundred dollars, or whatever to bail people out, you know, help them pay rent, or whatever.”

 

And then he never did he never sent the money out the check never came but a couple months ago the Biden administration announced that they were planning to pay immigrant families who had been separated from each other at the border a $50,000 per family settlement. So American citizens could not receive a fifteen hundred dollar check but families who had entered America illegally could be paid fifty thousand dollars.

Woes: Yeah. This is just astounding. And it’s stuff like this that makes you realize our national governments simply don’t work for us anymore it’s gone way beyond that and far beyond that, at this point, there is no there’s no longer even that pretence about they work for you. And again this is another thing that’s changed over the last few years the idea that politicians are our public servants. And that they work for us that’s just gone it is completely gone so same thing with the corporations the idea that the customer is always right that that was a given that was a thing that people used to say they don’t say anymore that we now have a very different relationship with corporate entities and with government it is quite remarkable.

Auron MacIntyre: Yeah, it’s to the point now where you even see I love these stories now about different TV shows and comedy specials and stuff video games oh well you this wasn’t supposed to be good you weren’t supposed to like it this was supposed to teach you a lesson, right? And so even our entertainment isn’t for our entertainment it’s to let us, it’s from our bettors to let us know what we should be thinking, or enjoying right now. And we see this constantly. And yeah. I mean, obviously a lot of this is, because our elites no longer need to pretend to serve the people. Because the people aren’t are fungible right you can if the people you have right now aren’t voting for you can swap the population out for someone who will. And, of course, democracy is the highest value. In New York they just tried to, I don’t know, I don’t remember if this passed. But they were trying to make it so non-citizens could vote in their elections like you don’t even have to do the fraud anymore like we’re just going to make it legal for people who are in no way a part of the society in a legal manner for them to vote openly in the elections [55:00] and influence and decide who. And, of course, the purpose of that is to make sure that you can at will change the nature of your electorate in order to produce the outcome you want. And so, yeah why would you need to serve the needs of a native population, or anyone who’s even any polity living inside your borders at any moment you can change that as necessary.

Woes: Yeah. This is one of this is the cliche of the government electing its own electorate electing an alternative electorate who will do what it wants it’s quite funny and farcical it’s surreal. But that is what’s been happening over the last few decades, or at least as part of it. And I think you’re right that this relationship and it’s part of the way things are going where people are no longer tied to any land. That’s an idea of the past that clearly the powers that be want to consign to the past they want everyone now to be as you said, fungible where it just you get those voters you shunt them into that landmass where that particular region where they’re required, because they need to we need people to vote for the policies that we want in that area. So we’ll just transport loads of people into there who are likely to vote for those policies. That’s amazing. It’s this using of democracy in reverse almost. It’s getting the results you want by having the people that you need to get the results you want.

Auron MacIntyre: Well, that’s the that in that video you were talking about how the America became an oligarchy this was mosca’s point right is he said that the reason that democracy had failed in America the reason that it had become an oligarchy was that the branches of government didn’t actually represent different interests in society as the expansion of Democratic power swept through the nation as more, and more, people were enfranchised. And as an increasing share of the government was elected the only thing that mattered was the ability to manipulate the electorate electorate it didn’t matter what part, or branch of government you were in your power all come came from the same place which is manufacturing of consent through the Democratic process. And his argument is that this is why you need an aristocrats that are tied to specific bases of power you need things that exist outside just the Democratic mass it’s.z Because the whole idea was democracy would give power to the people. But it did the exact opposite it incentivized elites to find different people to give them power. And so what we see is that the more this myth of democracy has persisted the more you they can justify basically swapping the Democratic polity out for whoever they need at the moment. Because there are no ties to populations there are no ties to different power bases all the power comes from the same place and it’s the ability to manipulate. Those who would in theory be casting votes.

Woes: It’s really amazing isn’t it how much democracy has failed, because it’s still talked about as well our reality the reality of the way our societies function and.z That’s the only way that they can really function at least up till now I mean, maybe again maybe we’re at the cusp of a change here. And they’ll start to be more open about technocracy and, you know, people like Klaus Schwab again one of the things about Klaus Schwab and, you know, George Soros Bill Gates is that nobody elected them. And yet I don’t see anyone complaining about that. I don’t see anyone saying well who gave him power who gave him authority to tell the rest of us how we need to live no one’s bothering with that sort of token resistance anymore they. And I think this might be this might be a sort of instinctual recognition that democracy doesn’t work it’s just on the part of the public. And so that they want leaders they want people like Klaus Schwab to tell them what needs to be done and what should be done and what will be done, or it could just be that the general public are now accustomed to democracy being a sham. I’m not sure.

Auron MacIntyre: Yeah, well. I think they’ve also lost any way to argue with those that control the institutions that manufacture science right the in many ways the reasons that these tech technocrats seem so unassailable is that science is the only justification right we need to be able to put everything on a spreadsheet we need to be able to break everything down into numbers everything [60:00] is about producing the best outcome in an actuarial table, or whatever. And so when people want to oppose this stuff they don’t even have the language with which to do so, because everyone who controls the acceptable language for justifying points works inside this technocratic system right, they’re the ones who define what is acceptable when it comes to public health policy they’re the ones who define what democracy is right and they’re the ones who are manufacturing all of the justification when it comes through kind of our reasoning apparatus. And so I don’t think, because we don’t have anything to compete with the technocratic justifications for actions. When you see someone like Klaus Schwab, or Bill Gates take control what really do you have to argue against these things? For on what authority would you oppose them they’re the smartest people they’re the people with all the scientists all the experts experts say right. And who are you to argue with the priests. I mean, the experts, right? Like how can you possibly have something outside of their scientific reasoning that could oppose what they’re pushing down upon you.

Woes: Yeah. And the sort of justification for that is science is that they are rational that they are reasoned data driven. And so on. But I think also implicit in it is this recognition that most people don’t actually like democracy is actually is inherently ridiculous. I mean, it’s ridiculous that some that someone who’s just basically stupid his vote is given the equal weight as that of someone who’s very intelligent very sensible very well read very well informed that there that these two things are treated equally that is ridiculous. And I think that most people would agree through even resentfully regretfully they would agree with that. I think that there is this, as you say, there’s a sort of desire for.z And I think that the desire the need for hierarchy is just innate in people. And I think that democracy has always been a sort of indulgence. It’s like letting the kids have more sweets than they really should have and flattering them, you know, using using democracy as a way to flatter them and thus get their acquiescence. But sometimes it doesn’t go as planned like with the Trump election in 2016 and with Brexit. And just in general the mechanisms of a Democratic government tend to be quite slow and lumbering and complicated. So I think it’s.z But both for honest reasons and dishonest reasons I can see why the elite would want to supplant democracy a because the public will not always vote for what they want for what the elites want and B), because democracy is in any case a slow process much faster if you can just tell a government what to do if you can just if a technocratic entity can just decree just transmit orders down. And I think that’s basically what seems to be on the way here would you say anything about that.

Auron MacIntyre: Yeah, yeah no. I mean, I agree that’s certainly the direction they’re moving I think democracy was always about manufacturing outcomes through elite processes. But I think you’re right that they’re taking the tightest reins they’ve ever taken over that process. And we’re getting stories again in America just last last week, or two we started seeing stories about how opposition to Joe Biden is a threat to democracy I kid you not. Like, I’m not making like this is not me like restating the headline to make it more ridiculous literally like we have major media outlets releasing like well if you oppose Joe Biden then you are supporting Donald Trump and they’re writing these about their own people the writings about media outlets that are printing something bad about Joe Biden. So we actually have media elites suggesting that the key to saving democracy is having a one-party democracy supported by the media like being enforced by the media. And so I think you’re right, that’s where we’re going. But I don’t think we’re gonna lose the Democratic veneer right. I don’t think we’re gonna I think we’re still gonna be doing this play I think we’re still gonna have this show even if it becomes more, and more, obvious. And I think you’re right that now there’s a tacit acknowledgment of the failure of democracy by adopting people like Klaus Schwab, or Bill Gates as kind of these unelected oligarchs who are ruling everything. But again this is also this is how Augustus took power right octavian never named himself emperor of the Roman Empire. He just slowly [65:02] absorbed the powers of other offices until eventually the Caesar became the ruler of Rome in every way. And so I think there’s a little bit of that going on where these it’s safer to maybe in many ways not be elected right to have elected officials fumbling power to these people who don’t have an official title Bill Gates doesn’t have an official title he doesn’t sit in a capital seat anywhere. But funneling power up to these people taking the loose powers that existed in nations and under official titles and moving them under the domain of these technocratic oligarchs is a way to do that without necessarily directly saying democracy has failed and now, we have to hand this over to a dictator but, you know, still getting the job done.

Woes: Yeah. I mean, in Britain, I don’t know how true this is of America I’m sure it is. In Britain we’ve always had the civil service the in Whitehall which there’s a famous sitcom from the 80s called yes minister and yes Prime Minister. And it’s all about the relationship between elected democratically elected politicians and the civil servants who aren’t elected they have full careers in a position. And they’ll be elected through they’ll be promoted through the system and get ever more seniority and ever more power like actual real power. And I think this is part of it that really it was them it was the civil servants who had the real power the democratically elected politicians were just there to give the electorate to complete the lie for the electorate that they had the power that the electorate had the power and that these politicians were doing what they wanted as I say for various reasons that facade seems to be getting I’m not saying it was totally off the side I’m sure that politicians did a doom and dead and still do have some power. But I think that it is being supplanted now by this move to technocracy. So yeah, it’s a very it’s obviously a very complicated subject and we’ve only scratched the surface here. But I’m gonna have to end this one, because. This is the first night and I only had three hours sleep last night, because I was. First of all I was busy doing all the last minute work for Millennial. And then I was just sort of on edge and I couldn’t relax. So I’m getting very tired and I’m worried that if we just if we go on I won’t be able to keep up. So but I think this has been a very good discussion oren. So I hope this has been of use to you and of interest to the viewers.

Auron MacIntyre: Yeah man absolutely no I appreciate you having me it’s been an honour.

Woes: Oh. Thank you very much I’m glad that you agreed to appear, because I have seen your videos and I do like them. I mean, it’s, as I said, it’s kind of difficult being keeping track of everything now. But there is so much going on and there are so many channels emerging and taking root and growing. It’s always the movement just constantly evolves what we have the movement I’m not sure if that’s the best phrase to use, at this point, but the community of channels and content creators always evolves so okay. Well, thank you oran mcintyre.

This is the end of the first night of Millenniyule 2021 I will be back tomorrow night with Mark gallick, Charles Roberts oh no hold on a second all right hold on. Sorry. Okay. UK Column, Survive the Jive, Mark Gullick, and then Charles Robertson. So that’ll be the second night.

In the meantime thank you Auron Macintyre. And I hope that you’ve enjoyed this opening night of Millenniyule 2021. I’m gonna get some sleep now. So thank you everyone. And I will see you later

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