[Mark Collett, leader of the pro-White British movement, Patriotic Alternative, successfully debates:
“Greg Johnson of Counter Currents on what perspective Nationalists in the Anglosphere should take towards the Russian invasion of Ukraine.”
Mark Collett vs Greg Johnson
The Ukraine Debate
Oct 17, 2022
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Mark Collett vs. Greg Johnson – the Ukraine debate
October 17th, 2022
Mark Collett of Patriotic Alternative debates Greg Johnson of Counter Currents on what perspective Nationalists in the Anglosphere should take towards the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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Map showing Russian strikes in Ukraine on October 25 at 0800 GMT – AFP / AFP
Joel Davis: Okay. We are live. Welcome to the debate. Greg Johnson vs. Mark Collett. Today we will be debating, well, Mark and Greg will be debating the issue of Ukraine and Russia, what perspective nationalists should take in the Anglo-sphere. Anyway, …
Mark Collett: I’ve just achieved victory! That’s it.
Joel Davis: Oh, he just disappeared. Anyway, I guess he’ll be back soon. Anyway, while we’re waiting for Greg to return, I’m just going to just lay out the rules. I already told you guys in private, but I’m just letting everyone know. We’re going to go ten minutes each way, opening statements, and then we’re going to go through, I have, like, six questions. You’ll get five minutes each. I’m going to have strict time limits. I will cut you off if, ….
Okay, Greg is back.
Yeah, I’m going to have strict time limits. I will cut you off if you can’t go over the time limit. So that will be enforced. And as well as Superchats, if people want to ask questions at the end. I don’t know if Greg and Mark will hang around, but some other friends might come on afterwards if they don’t. Anyway, and we’ll kind of break down the debates. So open invitation to the both of you to hang around afterwards. But no, it’s fine if you guys need to go.
Now I believe the link to the Superchat is in the description, Entropy Stream. There’s a link in the description if you want to send one in. So anyway, so let’s get into it. So, Greg, you wanted to go first, so I’ll start your timer now.
Greg Johnson: Okay. I want to thank you, Joel, for hosting and moderating, and also, Mark, for joining me in what I want to build as a civil airing of differences on the Ukraine war.
The first question we need to ask is, why are White nationalists commenting on this war in the first place? I am under no illusions that my opinions on this war, one way or another, will have any effect whatsoever on the outcomes.
So why talk about it at all? Because even if my commentary will have no short term effect on the war, I’m playing a much longer game. I’m an advocate for White nationalism. As I define it, white nationalism is a species of ethno-nationalism, the view that the best world order consists of sovereign states for all peoples who aspire to them. Ethno-nationalism is the best global order for two principal reasons. First, it respects the differences between peoples and races and secures their own spaces in which they can live according to their own identities and develop as they will.
Second, multiracial, multicultural, empires are cauldrons of ethnic strife and hatred and the erasure of identity. By separating warring tribes into their own homelands, ethno-nationalism promotes peace.
Now, ethno-nationalism is opposed to imperialism in all it’s forms. Imperialism is a form of multiculturalism in which different peoples are subject to a single political order which again encourages hatred, conflicts, and cultural destruction. So ethno-nationalists, however, do not oppose trade and co-operation and amity between sovereign states, including the creation of things like Customs Unions to facilitate commerce, or defensive pacts against aggression.
Now, the main reason I comment on the Ukraine war is to show the relevance of White ethnonationalist ideas. Russia is the world’s largest land empire, and it used to be much larger, embracing Finland, the Baltic states, Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, the Caucasus, the Central Asian Stans. And after the Second World War, it ruled the Warsaw Pact nations as well. Now, after the collapse of Communism, these nations gained their independence.
Now, post communist Russia is an obscenely rapacious oligarchy, ruled largely by former Communists, including state security spooks like Vladimir Putin. They tyrannize over a profoundly degraded populace with astonishingly high rates of alcoholism, drug abuse, divorce, abortion, HIV infection, and domestic violence. Imagine an America where, outside of New York and Los Angeles, everything else consists of West Virginia, and Indian reservations, and you get a sense of what the Russian Federation today is like.
Now, Russia’s ruling elite openly mourns the collapse of the Soviet empire and dreams of putting it back together. Russia fought two bloody wars against the Chechens to prevent them from gaining their independence. Russia uses ethnic Russian minorities in neighboring states as fifth columnists and pretexts for interventions. They have fomented riots in the Baltic states. They have fomented secessionist and irritantist wars in the Caucasus, Moldova, and Ukraine. About the only former imperial possession Russia has not meddled in is Belarus, which is a wholly subservient satellite state.
Now, after the collapse of Communism, Ukraine had a referendum on independence. Every single region voted for independence from Moscow. In 1994, Russia and the United States were parties to the Budapest Accord, which recognized Ukraine’s 1991 borders in exchange for nuclear disarmament. Despite this, Russia has worked for decades to turn Ukraine into a Belarus-style satellite.