Mark Collett
Patriotic Weekly Review with
Jacob Hersant
Wed, Oct 16, 2024
[In this livestream video Mark Collett, leader of the pro-White British nationalist movement, Patriotic Alternative, talks with proud Aussie National Socialist Jacob Hersant. Items discussed include:
Jacob Hersant is a 25-year-old Australian National Socialist activist.
He faces legal troubles for giving a “Nazi gesture” in public.
Jacob founded the National Socialist Network in Australia.
Believes in “Australia for the Whiteman” as a core principle.
He’s appealing his conviction on free speech grounds, but faces a “relatively modest term of imprisonment” if appeals fail.
Has been politically active since age 15-16.
Sees growth in explicit White nationalist movements in Australia.
NSN focuses on legal activism and political messaging, and being “uncompromising in your founding principles.”
Argues White nationalists and National Socialists face similar persecution.
Supports separation of races and repatriation of non-White immigrants.
Has sympathy for other racial nationalists but prioritizes Whites.
Jacob defines racism as “putting your particular race first.”
Advocates for aboriginals to be given separate reservations.
Sees his legal case as a “win-win” for publicity.
Urges supporters to donate to other causes, not his legal defense.
Allows free use of his content: “Do whatever you want with my videos.”
Criticizes compromise and moderation in nationalist movements.
Admires historical figures like Adolf Hitler and George Lincoln Rockwell.
Sees White people worldwide facing similar threats.
Believes National Socialism is the best ideology for this era.
Argues against watering down principles for electoral success.
Sees his group’s radical image as an asset for publicity.
Believes Australia is being “demographically replaced” rapidly.
Criticizes conservative parties for aiding “the worst aspects of our enemies.”
Sees potential for more radical nationalist parties to gain support.
Advocates a “holistic mindset” in nationalist activism.
Believes white nationalists will inevitably be called “Nazis” anyway.
Sees the Second World War as an unavoidable topic in debates.
Argues National Socialism is no less “sellable” than White nationalism.
Criticizes the “egregious censorship” and “moral policing” in society.
Believes his group’s messaging resonates with average Australians.
Sees his imprisonment as less concerning than UK political prisoners.
Quotes Rockwell: “The path to the palace leads through the dungeons.”
Believes nationalists shouldn’t apologize for their views anymore.
Sees increasing public support for their position in Australia.
Advocates working with other races internationally, not domestically.
“We need to be immovable on our ideals. Australia for the White man. White revolution is the only solution.”
– KATANA]
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Mark Collett: Hello everybody, and welcome to Patriotic Weekly Review, episode number 284. And we are here live tonight on Odysee, DLive, Rumble and Entropy. It’s going to be a big show. We have got the man of the hour with us. I’ll be introducing him shortly. His name says Joel, but it is not Joel, as you can see, it’s Jacob Hersant. And Jacob is a man who has been in the news recently and will be talking tonight extensively about why he’s been in the news about his fight for freedom of speech and fight for freedom of expression, and why he’s the first man in the whole of Australia to be taken to court for waving his arm in the air. That is the kind of tyranny they are living under in Australia!
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Anyway, let’s get into the show because it’s going to be a good one.
Now, tonight we’ve got a young up and comer on the scene. He’s Australian. You might have seen him alongside the likes of Joel Davis, alongside Blair Cottrell, alongside Thomas Sewell. He is a man that is going through legal troubles of his own because the Australian government at the moment is going through somewhat of a draconian clamp down on nationalists, on the symbols that they can display, on the things that they can say, and on the way they hold their arm! So Jacob, without further ado, would you like to introduce yourself to my audience? It’s a pleasure to have you here tonight. Introduce yourself to my audience and tell people what you’ve been going through.
[04:39]
Jacob Hersant: Hello. Thank you for that introduction. My name is Jacob Hersant. It’s a nice 05:00 am here in Melbourne, Victoria, in Australia.
So I’m a little bit tired, but I digress. I’ll try my best to be as cogent and articulate as possible. I’m an Australian National Socialist. I’ve been a political activist for eight years now. And most of my activism has been for an organisation which I founded, the National Socialist Network.
A lot of people know about us now because of our kind of NS attention grabbing activism. We’ve become basically a household name here in Australia based on that activism. Right now I’m in the news particular for being the first person in the state of Victoria for being charged with giving the Nazi salute. I was convicted in the magistrate’s court, which is the lowest court in Australia, not for giving the Nazi salute, but giving a “Nazi gesture” that resembles the Nazi salute.
So the laws are very broad. If people confuse you for giving the Nazi salute, you can be convicted as well.
So the magistrate actually ruled I didn’t give the Nazi salute, which I think most people would probably agree with, because most people know what the Nazi salute looks likes. But I did give a gesture that could be confused for the Nazi salute, and most people would confuse it for the Nazi salute, which I can. I can agree with. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable finding for the magistrate to find. But we didn’t only make that argument.
So the reason this court case is going to go on for a while and I’m going to be appealing it, is because my lawyer made an argument that this law is invalid based on the fact that Australia has an implied right to freedom of political communication. So Australia doesn’t have any explicit right to political communication or freedom of speech or anything like that. But we have High Court rulings or High Court judgements that affirm the fact that because we are a liberal democracy, the Constitution outlines a liberal democracy, that by virtue of that fact, we have an implied right of political communication because that system would not work without there being freedom of speech and freedom of political communication.
So that’s what I’m going to be appealing about. And that’s what there’s going to be lots of publicity about this case going forward into the future. That argument’s going to be made at higher courts, all the way to the High Court because, yeah, I’ve indicated that I want to take it all the way. My lawyers are happy to take it all the way.
So it’s going to be a long, long process. But I don’t mind this court battle in particular. I’ve had other court battles which have been less fun because I’ve had to either represent myself or I’ve been facing more serious charges, serious punishments. I can talk about that further on in the stream.
So I’ve been convicted of giving the Nazi gesture that resembles a Nazi salute, but I’ve also been sentenced to imprisonment. I haven’t been given the exact length of imprisonment. What the magistrate said is it will be a relatively modest term of imprisonment. So whether that’s one month or two months or three months, I’m not sure.
A lot of people are worried for me because I’ll be going to jail, but I won’t be going to jail until all of my rights of appeal are exhausted, so I won’t be punished for it until all of its done. So people don’t need to worry about me in the immediate future. And they don’t need to worry about me in general, because I’m happy. I’m not happy to go to jail, but I’m willing to go to jail to make this argument, because I believe that Australians should have the right to political communication, not only for us, particularly as a political group, as National Socialists, but everyone should have the right to express themselves. I think that’s a right that Anglo Saxons cherish. And it is a bit of a strange situation in 2024 where you have the “fascists” defending free speech against a liberal, an allegedly liberal government.
But it’s not the most confusing thing I’ve seen in 2024, so.
Mark Collett: So how old are you, if you don’t mind me asking?
Jacob Hersant: I’m 25 years old.
Mark Collett: You’re 25 years old! Oh, what I would give to be 25 again! And you’re really in the thick of this, but you’ve been an activist for quite some time, so this isn’t something new to you’ve obviously come into nationalism quite young, but generally speaking, this might not be something you’re aware of or it might be something you’re aware of, when I was in the BNP, you probably. Were you alive then? Yeah. You would have been very, very small.
Jacob Hersant: Yeah, I born in 1991.
Mark Collett: So by the time the BNP was in decline, in about 2010, you’d have been eleven. But the point is, the BNP was the most successful electoral nationalist group in the UK. And we looked at our data, we looked at our membership data and we could see that the average length a member would be involved was 18 months. So when you took everyone’s membership into account and you did an average. The average length of membership was 18 months.
So the average person never got to being two years involved in the organisation. But you’re 25. You’ve been involved in this movement for eight years. Logically, that means you got involved when you were 17, and you’ve spent around a third of your life involved.
So you’re pretty committed to this. You’ve been involved for quite a long time when you take your whole life into account. I mean, obviously not a long time when you take human existence into account, but a third of your life involving the cause is very, very admirable. You came into things a little bit younger than I did. How do you feel over the time that you’ve been involved? Have things changed in Australia in terms of the acceptance of the movement, involvement of people in more radical politics, and has there been a greater acceptance of your opinions and the things that you’re fighting for?
[12:02]
Jacob Hersant: Yeah, so I think we’ve grown a lot as an explicit National Socialist movement. When I was first getting involved in politics, there was really nothing. There was nothing in way of a well, even really just an explicit White nationalist movement or National Socialist movement. We’ve had a remnants of previous groups, older groups that were still around, but they were more or less defunct, maybe just running an Internet blog or something. Really websites that look like they’re from 2005 and things like that.
But there was a milieu of people that were energized from the Trump campaign. So you had people that were associating with the Alt-Right and all that kind of meme magic energy of that time.
I wasn’t involved when I was 17. It was earlier than that. So I was getting involved in our circles, probably around 15 years old, 16 years old is when I became involved in real life.
I started meeting up with people off websites like The Right Stuff dot biz, [TRS] and Iron March* and things like that.
[* Iron March was a far-Right neo-fascist and Neo-Nazi web forum. The site opened in 2011 and attracted neo-fascist and Neo-Nazi members, including militants from organised far-Right groups and members who would later go on to commit acts of terror! The forum closed in 2017. Subsequently, former users moved to alternative websites and social networking services, such as Discord. Wikipedia]
Well, Iron March doesn’t exist anymore. TRS still exists in some sort of form, but they had a forum back then. And I was meeting people, and I was just encouraging people. I was like:
“We gotta get involved in real life. Like, we need to start our own organisation and do things like that.”
So we originally founded an organisation called Antipodean Resistance. Antipodean just refers to Australia and New Zealand, because it’s the opposite part of the world as Europe. And that was explicit National Socialism. But it was very, very radical! And it could accurately be described as “extremist”, because the way it presented itself it had a very militant look. It wasn’t engaged in violence or anything like that, but it projected that more or less kind of nowhere near as bad as, like, what Atomwaffen was, but it was that kind of vein.
Like, that wasn’t my choice. What we have now is my choice because that’s an organisation I founded, but nonetheless, I was in those circles and I was participating in that.
But then I was branching out, and I was getting involved with other movements as well, like the Lads Society. So there’s all these kind of organisations like UPF, United Patriots Front. I won’t go too deep into a level, but I basically was getting in contact with everybody.
And eventually I founded this, because most people didn’t really believe in my vision of activism, which was being explicitly National Socialist, but being focused on politics rather than kind of militant messaging. And I won’t repeat any of the kind of slogans and the things that Antipodean Resistance represented, as you’re in Britain, but people can Google that if they want to know what that was like about.
So from all that kind of stuff, from Lads Society and Antipodean Resistance, I came from all that and founded National Socialist Network. And it was originally just me, and whoever I could rope around for a photo. People can go and check the initial photos that were posted of National Socialist Network, and it’s basically like an art blog of me [chuckling] just posted in the black mask and the black clothes. And there’s very few people in it, just a few of my friends I could rope along.
But now it’s grown to basically the biggest group in Australia, a household name as I said.
To answer your question about how much success we’ve had in terms of the movement, I think now we actually have an established organisation. We’ve got the banner up, and people can join and get involved with people that have been involved in it for quite a while. We haven’t been involved as long as someone like you have, like Thomas Sewell and myself and Joel and all that.
But nonetheless, I’ve been involved for, it’s probably nine years now. I think I was saying eight years, a year ago. So it’s probably nine years now. Yeah, and I just think all across the world, everyone will probably feel how much progress has been made in terms of getting our messaging out there, how much support we have.
And I think part of that is also just how decadent and terrible things are becoming socially in Western countries. There would have just been decades even before your time Mark, wherever people were just so comfortable in the seventies and the eighties, and immigration wasn’t an existential crisis of all of our nations. It was a lot more manageable when these minorities actually were minorities. But now they’re becoming a very sizable minority, soon to become majorities in all the major cities of White countries.
So I think we’re making lots of progress. I’m very optimistic about how things, things are going with our organisation, in particular in Australia. I’m optimistic about this legal fight. I think we won’t have any troubles actually winning. Even if we don’t win, because that’s a possibility. Maybe the High Court will rule that free speech doesn’t apply to Nazis. Political communication isn’t allowed for Nazis.
But nonetheless, the whole circus around all of this, how it’s made the government look, the publicity it’s got for us, how it’s made us look to White Australians who value political rights, I think all of it will be worth it.
So I think it’s always just going to be a win-win, what’s happening now. So I’m optimistic.
Mark Collett: So, obviously, your group, you would describe it as being more or less the most Right-wing group in Australia.
And you mentioned some other groups like Atomwaffen, who were just absolute fed nutcases! How do you stop your group attracting those kind of people? I mean, I’ve had a few guests on who spoke about Atomwaffen, the kind of people that were involved, absolute dibs, who did nothing good for the movement. And those kind of people sort of gravitate towards something they feel is going to be more edgy and more extreme. How do people like yourself and Joel keep those kind of people away from your group and stop it from descending, like other groups who are obviously openly NS, have done in the past?
[19:57]
Jacob Hersant: Yeah, I think the main problem with Atomwaffen is the leadership. It’s always the leadership. And what is going to be tolerated.
Mark Collett: Well, I mean, the main problem were they were basically Feds and sort of spergy Satanist dorks who killed each other.
Jacob Hersant: Yeah, well, I don’t, …
Mark Collett: You know, that’s not just a small problem, that’s like a huge problem. And it obviously attracted those sort of people. And I know there’s been numerous people who’ve written long exposes on how the feds were heavily involved with them, but you guys seem to avoided those kind of spergy nuts.
And what I’m asking you is sort of, how did you manage to structure your group so it attracted people that weren’t those kind of spergy* nuts?
[* Spergy-Used to describe an individual as socially unaware, or inept. Just to the right of being incapable of social interaction. Tolerable, if you have sympathy for their lack of understanding. Origin: A play off of Asperger’s Syndrome. A functional portion of the Autistic Spectrum. Often those who use the word “spergy” have more sensitivity than people who use the term “retarded” to describe the socially inept. Source: Urban Dictionary]
Jacob Hersant: I think it just comes from excluding those kind of people that aren’t in it for legal activism. Because our organisation is about legal activism.
Obviously, we get charged for things like Bill Posting. I’ve been charged with Bill postering and obviously giving the salute. But we don’t engage in any kind of unlawful or illegal activity that most people would look at my criminal record and go:
“Why are these things crimes? Like putting up stickers? Why is putting up a sticker a crime? Why is giving a gesture a crime?”
So that’s the kind of political “crime” that we’re kind of engaged in. It’s a low level stuff. We’re not interested in violence or killing people, or even just attacking our enemies in a kind of low level way, like street brawls and all those kind of things. We’re interested in political messaging. I think the fundamental thing is the leadership!
The fact that we’re not going to tolerate people that aren’t there for our mission, our political mission, which is primarily to build out our strength of the movement, to recruit more members, and to bring our message to White Australians. The most effective way we can do that, is legally and through legal activism, just regular political activism. So we’re focused on that.
Some people message me on the Internet, and they say:
“Like, Jacob, where’s your secret army to overthrow the government?”
And I just tell them:
“Well, I don’t have one! And I don’t know why you’re asking me about my secret army, if you want me to have a secret army. I don’t have one. But why are you asking me on the Internet? And do you not find that this activity of recruiting people, getting our message out there, is valuable activity?”
I think it is valuable activity. That’s what I’m going to be focusing on.
In regards to Atomwaffen, I don’t know any of the real particulars of what was happening with them, with satanism and federal agents entrapping them and all that. I know more or less about it, but only vaguely. I know what happened. I remember when I first encountered Atomwaffen, which was back on the Iron March form, I had a very bad impression of them, because I just thought from the start, calling your group attack atomic weapons in German was just a very strange thing for an American group to do, having the nuclear logo, all these kind of things. So I was always confused by it.
But then obviously, all the unfolding tragedy in regards to what happened, all that’s what really turned me off. But I don’t know whether or not it was founded by bad actors originally. If they just tolerated bad actors, what happened? I know the original founder Brandon Russell went to jail, so probably he was just somebody that tolerated all this and it all just went to hell!
But then again, I don’t know. That’s, that would just be a guess for me, really. I don’t know the specifics. I know a lot of people know a lot more about that.
Mark Collett: I did an interview with a few people about this. I mean, when I look at groups like Atomwaffen, I just see them as just complete loons, sort of at best case scenario, you’ve got loons, at worst case scenario, you’ve got feds. And everything in between is basically just sort of the scum of our movement, sort of drawn to weird groups like that embrace things such as you know, they were heavily tied up with that Satanist group, The Order of Nine Angles, etcetera. Some of them were involved with sexual abuse and other absolutely abhorrent stuff like that.
And eventually they were prescribed as a terrorist group in the UK. They never existed in the UK, and I don’t believe they exist anymore. But they’re absolutely not a group that anyone with any sort of, well, I’ve never met anyone who’s a credible actor or anyone at all who’s shilled from there. Kind of, to me, when I see a group like that, and there’s nobody sort of who’s behind a group like that. And everybody who’s a sensible person is like, stay a mile away from that group.
[25:39]
And for me, as soon as I saw them and heard the stupid name, it sort of sets your antennae wiggling because you kind of think, who’s actually behind this and what’s the point of them? What are they going to achieve? Etcetera.
But moving on from that, I don’t want to spend the whole show sort of discussing freaks and weirdos. But with your situation, you guys, you’re not hiding behind your computer screens. You don’t have a silly name, or a daft logo. You’re not Satanists. You guys walk into court, you wear suit, shirts and ties, you look very smart, you come out of court, your heads are held high. People like, obviously, Joel, very good optics, etcetera. Because some of the people in my chat seem really impressed by everything you guys are doing, and some of them think are obviously a little bit more iffy about your optics.
Now, you do actually come out there, you very open that you’re National Socialists, but you present yourselves in a very approachable, clean cut, almost desirable manner.
So when you came out of court, you guys look fantastic! You know, you don’t look like weirdos. You don’t look like freaks. If the public are expecting some sort of dweebs, oddities, you know, freak show parading outside of court, they get the absolute opposite of that. I mean, you guys also look like Australian Chad males. Do you ever find that the public have got a disconnect between what they might believe somebody who calls themselves a National Socialist would look like and the way that you guys present yourselves, the way you guys articulate your arguments, and the fact that you are so clean cut, and approachable when people see you?
Jacob Hersant: Yeah, I think we’ve got a good balance of the kind of street radicalism and protests in regards to putting on the black uniform and the masks, and a good balance of the more kind of bourgeois system politics. But that only really comes out when it comes we’re going into court, and that’s appropriate time to be wearing the suit and obviously defending our legal rights.
So I can understand why people are sceptical in regards to, … It’s a very, very stark look, what we’ve chose in regards to wearing all black and wearing the masks. I understand a lot of people prefer a more traditional kind of political look in terms of a conservative look, where maybe you wear a suit and tie or something smart casual or things like that. But we really wanted to differentiate ourselves from the rest of the Right insofar as we are radicals and that we’re street protesters. Like, we’re the only Right-wing group in Australia that really protests consistently, like we’re a protest group. The Left have their equivalents. They’ve got their socialist and communist groups, they’ve got their environmentalist groups and all that. The Right-wing will only really come out. They’re not organised. They’ll come out for rallies occasionally, whether it be anti-transgender ones or occasionally. What are they? I can’t even recall what they really protest about. They don’t protest here as much as I’m sure they do in other countries. We want to differentiate ourselves from the rest of the Right. And come up with a new, well, it’s not really a new image, but a different image from the rest of the Right. So we chose black as the colour because that’s the tradition of fascism and National Socialism in Anglo-sphere countries, particularly the blackshirt movement in Great Britain.
And obviously it harkens back to the Italians as well, their blackshirts, the SS in Germany. We just thought that black was the most appropriate colour for our movement.
And then the masks, on one level they’re practical, but they’re also symbolic. And it’s fashion. People like masks, [chuckling] whether I know a lot of people don’t like masks because of what happened during Covid [chuckling] and I understand that, but people still like masks and you know, when it’s appropriate. And I think that radical street demonstrations is an appropriate time to wear masks. So hopefully people can get over that.
But yeah, it’s practical because it obviously protects the identities of people who are demonstrating for our beliefs. Because there’s large swathes of Leftists in this country that feel that they have the right to destroy people’s lives based on their political views. And very many unscrupulous people will aid them in that, whether it be employers, banks, all these institutions are more than willing to aid these people in their activism, not really activism, but just their harassment of nationalist activists. So it protects the identities of people like that. So it’s got a practical function.
But also it’s got a symbolic function insofar as when we’re going to demonstrate it’s not about our individual identities as activists. We’re not there to be seen, we’re there for our political message to be seen. And when you put on the mask, you represent the political idea rather than yourself as an individual, your ego, your individual identity. You become a National Socialist, you become that Black Shirt activist, and you become part of the collective of people that are there to support the one person that has the mask off, whether it be me or Joel or Thomas, and that is differentiated from the rest of the group and who has something to say. So it’s symbolic, and it’s practical. That’s why we have the uniformity. Nonetheless. If people want to do different types of optics, would that optics work in the UK? My preliminary guess would be no. I probably wouldn’t do it.
But I think that it’s been very successful in Australia. I think most people now seeing all the success we’ve had over the years would probably agree, yes, it has been successful here in Australia.
So people can be sceptical anyway, I understand, people have different tastes in terms of what they want to see from a political group. But I still think that there is space for what we’re doing here in Australia and there’s space for people to do other things if they want to present a more kind of traditional political face like you guys are doing in the UK, we have no problem with that.
[33:26]
Mark Collett: See, I’m not suggesting, … Look, I’ve read a lot of different theories from different people about how to advance nationalism. And I’ve read the Rockwell theory. The Rockwell theory is that if you do things that are slightly more edgy and slightly more outrageous, you stand out from the pack, people notice you and you grow amongst a radical and dedicated audience. And that is a legitimate point to make. And I’ve also heard the theory that if you basically tone everything down and cuck on your policies, you get to power.
Now, as I see it, neither of those two options have led to anyone coming to power in the West. You could argue that someone like Marine Le Pen is close to power, or the AfD are close to power, but if you look at what they’ve ceeded in order to get where they have, they no longer hold on to the political points that they had when they started out. And I’m a firm believer that if you get to power and you hold power for the sake of power, but you’ve given up on everything that you believed in when you started that journey toward power, there was no point in making that journey in the first place. It’s an absolute waste of everybody’s time.
So, for example if you founded a nationalist group and you got people elected, and those people then ended up voting for diversity and inclusion in their elected positions just so they could further that the organisation and be more acceptable, what would be the point of the organisation existing? The organisation shouldn’t exist. It’s a waste of time. So I do acknowledge what some people say, that you guys may be scary, you might put people off, but also I’ve seen these appeasers go down the route of selling everything out, dropping all their opinions, kicking people out because they say the wrong thing. And that hasn’t exactly borne fruit either. You know, then you end up in a situation where you’re in a Nigel Farage type place. And yeah, Nigel Farage has got some MP’s, but he’s not in power and he’s saying some of the right things and he’s built a very large and successful populist movement, but he hasn’t yet attained power. And if he did get to power, with all of the caveats and all of the compromises, would he actually be able to turn around the demographic problem? And this is an age old debate, so I’m not knocking what you’re doing, I’m just asking why you’re doing it, so you can explain it to my audience, who are kind of split on it. You know, don’t think I’m digging at you. The fact of the matter is there are different approaches.
And if people look at your group and they want to understand the fruit born from your tree, you only have to look at your recent Whiteman Fight Back event. And that went viral. People all over the world saw that.
I mean, if somebody had said to you guys, right, we’re going to give you that degree of advertising, but you’re going to pay us for it, you guys wouldn’t have been able to raise that money in probably 100 years to get that much publicity from one event. You couldn’t have bought that kind of publicity unless you were like George Soros or Blackrock or the government themselves.
So what you’re doing by branding yourself in that way is you’re creating a kind of outrage that forces the press to cover you, that gives you a level of publicity that you wouldn’t otherwise get if you were just a micro party that played by their rules. So I do understand the logic behind it and I’m not saying what’s right or wrong because as I said, as of yet, in the Western world, there hasn’t been a nationalist party that is yet to get to power. And arguably, if you class people like Giorgia Meloni as nationalists, when they got to power, they were so watered down that they just carried on letting migrants in anyway.
So the whole exercise was a complete waste of time! Because if you’re going to get to power and you can’t do what you wanted to do, it’s all irrelevant. It was all just pointless.
As I said, I’m not knocking it, I’m just sort of asking you so my audience can hear how you do things.
And I think what you did was striking. Now, whether it will win over the masses or not is a different thing. But has anything ever won over the masses other than football, beer and takeaway?
Jacob Hersant: That is a good point. Yeah. Well, surprisingly, I think Australian opinion is coming around to our position, as far as they can go. Like, obviously the average Boomer or Gen-Xer isn’t ready to talk about Adolf Hitler.
But I remember previously where before this kind of last year or two of activism, we never were seeing really support from the public, but now just the centre Right and just the whole Right in general kind of have a begrudging respect for us and will come out and kind of defend us.
And I think part of that is just because of how intelligent we’ve been with what battles we’ve chosen to take up. We’ve gone after issues where it’s just a win-win for us and that any publicity we get from it is going to make us look good. The one we did with, I wasn’t around yet because I was on bail conditions. I wasn’t involved in the activism at that time. I was banned from seeing everyone. But that’s a thing I can talk about later. But the Destroy Pedo Freaks, one where obviously that was activism against transgenders.
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So it was a let women speak rally, and they, the activists showed up and were protesting it with a giant banner that said Destroy Pedo Freaks.
So obviously, with a banner like that, practically everyone agrees with what it says, but it’s still a radical message when you really think about it. Destroy Pedo Freaks But considering our elite is inundated with paedophiles and people that enable paedophiles, transgenders and all that. But when they publicize it, and they go:
“Look at these terrible people!”
The average Right-winger goes and says:
“Well, I want to destroy pedo freaks. What’s the issue?”
And then, obviously, this most recent one that you brought up, Corowa, we were there protesting the fact that the biggest employer in that town has been bought out by international finance and all the locals have been fired and they’re bringing in foreign labour to replace them. So any publicity we get for that, for standing up for locals, for something that is like, this egregious crime against their community is good, and they’ve given us all that publicity, and we’ve looked good while doing it, and we’ve got such radical look to us.
But when we actually go, what we’re doing with our radical, you know, presenting that radical face and that radical look, every activism we do is for the most reasonable thing, and it actually makes us look good. We’re doing the PR work that we need to do to get our ideals across, not by watering down our ideals or anything like that. But by going for those particular issues at the perfect time that make us look good.
So it’s becoming increasingly easy for us to get our message across because of how bad the government is treating our population, how much they are destroying our country. I don’t think we necessarily need to be on the back foot anymore. The government’s, the one’s that are on the back foot, they’ve got the responsibility of ruling over the country and they’re disintegrating it. We’re just in never ending decline. Everything’s being destroyed. We’re being replaced in all of our towns. We’re less wealthy. People are less happy.
There’s a lot of problems, and we don’t need to apologise for our views anymore. People thought that in the 1980s and 1990s, the things, things were a lot better. There was obviously National Socialists and White nationalists back then that were railing on because they knew what was coming. But most people couldn’t see that. People do understand it now. People do understand what’s going on with the decline of our civilisation, the attacks on our race. People understand it.
So I think that kind of message of radicalism and that message of strength that we give out is going to be increasingly successful. And it was interesting what you were talking about in regards to, no nationalist party has taken power since the Second World War. And I think a lot of people forget that they get very wedded to their own particular idea of how we can succeed. They get kind of myopic and they think that all, the only way that’s going to work is their way. I don’t think we really need to be that kind of fixed in our view of what can be successful. And I think there can be many strategies going on at once in many different countries. I think would be fools to think that what we’re doing in Australia needs to be replicated in a different country. It’d probably be good in some countries. It’d probably not be so good in the jurisdictions, among other nationalities.
I think what you said about movements giving up their ideals and then basically wasting all the effort because they’ve engaged in electioneering, they’ve put so much money into it, so much effort, so much time, only to do nothing. Like you said, Georgia Meloni, I think that’s true. The problem with the cuckservatives and all that is they’ve been in and out of power since the Second World War, and all they’ve done is aid and abet the worst aspects of our enemies the Left. And we haven’t ever been in power as National Socialists, as explicit, … Well, I guess since the Second World War, we still had a kind of inertia of White nationalism, but not what we would call White nationalists today. People that are serious racists and that see a kind of a need for racial solidarity and base their politics solely on that.
So we haven’t been to power, but nonetheless there’s been successful movements like Golden Dawn before they got arrested, and that was egregious what happened to them. Just so unjust, what happened to the leadership of Golden Dawn. But before that happened, they were the third biggest party in Greece. I think increasingly radical parties like that are going to be more successful. I think Greece was just facing such a terrible time before, what we’re facing now in the West.
But I think all across the West, I think things are going to start to look more like how Greece was during austerity. I think things are going to look more like how Weimar Germany looked, and that people are going to look to radical nationalist solutions. Whether that’s explicit National Socialism or not, I can’t tell you. But in Australia, we’re going to be doing that’s what we’re doing.
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Mark Collett: No, as I said, I find it an interesting debate, and I do look at this from a point of view of what are you trying to achieve as well? You know, not everything is about trying to achieve electoral victory.
Now, if you said to me:
“Mark, if you’re trying to achieve electoral victory, how would you go about it?”
Well, there’s only one chance of any party achieving electoral victory in the UK, and that’s the Reform Party. So you would have to go into that party, you’d have to go deep undercover, you’d have to say everything they wanted you to say, and you’d have to try and get yourself into a position where you were standing in a Parliamentary seat, where you would win, and then you could go mask off when you got in Parliament. That would be a potential way forward, which is really the only potential way forward for a young nationalist who wants to win a Parliamentary seat.
Now, there are other objectives.
So the group that I lead, Patriotic Alternative, we are a community building group, we raise awareness and we’re an indigenous advocacy group. So we, at the moment, have just raised 15,000 pounds, which would probably be about 30,000 Australian dollars, for political prisoners. And we are distributing that money to the families of people who have been sent to jail because they protested against the murders that took place in Southport.
So there are different, … Not every group has to be the same. And what you do and the way you go about what you do is often built around your objectives.
Now, if your objectives are to be a party that sweeps to power and wins a record majority, you’re probably going to go about things in a different way to if you’re trying to get young men into healthy behavioural patterns, or if you’re trying to build a community, or if you’re trying to raise money for political prisoners, or if you’re trying to just shift the Overton Window. You know, there are nationalist groups out there that exist solely to have sort of intellectual conferences, to hold debates, to publish books. And I’m not saying there is a one size fits all way to do things. And I certainly think you have captured the attention of Australians.
And I think one of the things about what you do that’s interesting is you go out there and you probably have slogans, publicity material and campaign headlines that most normal Australians would agree with. So if you’re calling sort of paedophiles freaks and saying:
“Look, we need these people off our streets!”
Most Australians are going to agree with that. And ironically, you’re probably the only group that’s saying that, which sends a real powerful message to the Australian people that the only people that are going to speak their language are guys walking down the street dressed in black who have to wear face masks, because otherwise the Left will dox them and try and ruin their lives.
And I do think that in itself sends a powerful political message as a form of protest. And as I said, I think there’s a lot of different things that can be achieved through different methods. And I do admire the fact that you are young, I admire the fact that you are doing things exactly how you want to do them, and that you are not bending to society.
And I do think that’s an interesting point, because I’m just going to throw this at you. See, people expect nationalists to always bend. We have to conform, we have to meet people halfway, we have to compromise. But the Left never compromise! The Left never meet people halfway. You know, if the Left want to do Drag Queen Story Hour, if they want to sell, you know, puberty blockers to kids, if they want children being brought up with all manner of degenerates being brought into their schools, they want children being taken to mosques, sat in front of imams with their shoes off, in order to pray, in order to say Islamic prayers. All of this diversity, inclusion, LGBT, it’s all pushed on, children. It’s all done at 100 miles an hour, and they never compromise! It’s always them at, you know, at 100%. And they’ve been pushing like this for years.
The only people that ever really compromise or ever really go down the route of sort of letting go of things are basically nationalists, Conservatives, or for want of a sort of an umbrella term, sort of the Right-wing.
So if you look at every standpoint Conservatives have made over the last 50 years, they’ve eventually given up on those standpoints and slipped towards the Left.
However, every standpoint that the Left has taken over the past 50 years, they clung onto regardless of public opinion, and eventually they’ve got their own way.
And when you look at that, it’s depressing. But it also kind of sends a message to maybe if Conservatives and nationalists in the past hadn’t been so quick to compromise, we’d be in a better position today.
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Jacob Hersant: Yes, well, that’s true. Where we’ve got the idea of just being completely immovable in terms of our principles, or me in particular, is Mein Kampf. Adolf Hitler talks explicitly about how you have to be uncompromising in your, in your kind of founding principles, and that once those are set in stone, your founding principles are set in stone. They cannot be changed. You have to stay by those principles, because you need there to be permanence, you need there to be staying power. And people need to know what they’re fighting for and what they’re propagating. Because if it’s changing every year, what your ideals are, then people can’t really gain kind of veterancy in that, in fighting for those ideals.
Because if you start, maybe you get, let’s take a concrete example of Trump. Maybe you join that Make America Great Again movement based on what Trump was saying:
“Lock her up! Lock Hillary Clinton up!”
What else was he saying? Build a wall. All these kind of things.
So this is what you’re fighting for. These are the concrete things that you want to be achieved. But then when he gets into power, he immediately compromises on that. Hillary Clinton is still at liberty, as everyone knows. I think there is a wall. I heard conflicting things, that there is a wall. But nonetheless, the southern border is practically open. And millions of foreigners are pouring over the southern US border. So none of that has been achieved.
And that’s why you have things like you mentioned earlier, the 18 month syndrome, that people get involved in politics, they get discouraged because either, they don’t see enough progress or the founding reasons that they got involved in that particular group have been discarded, and they’re no longer fighting for what they originally got involved in.
But Hitler says, you need to figure out what your ideals are, what you’re actually fighting for. You need to be honest about them, and you need to just stick by them. And that’s what we’ve done. Even when we were small, even when it was just me. But we said what our core ideas are like Australia for the Whiteman. We’re never going to water that down. That’s our belief. And everyone understands when you see a person, Australian National Socialist, that means Australia for the Whiteman, that’s not going to change. People don’t have that with the rest of the Right.
If you look at Trump, does it mean build a wall? Does it mean actually protect our borders? Does it mean lock up Hillary? You never know! People that are more kind of amorphous like that, and they don’t have a concrete position that they stick to, you don’t know what you’re fighting for. If you’re involved in that group, you don’t know what they believe, you don’t know what they’re going to do. And that creates confusion and frustration.
So I think Hitler was completely correct about the need to be immovable on those core principles. I think we need to be immovable on our ideals. Australia for the Whiteman! White revolution is the only solution! I boiled it down to all these little slogans, Whiteman fight back! We need to be immovable on these kind of things.
But then when it comes to strategies, I think there’s many things that we can be doing and to circle it back to what we were talking about previously, there’s many, many different things that we can do. And it behooves us to have a holistic mindset. We need people that are intellectuals. We need people that are running book clubs, we need people that are running publishing houses We need people that are running intellectual websites.
At the same time, we need people that are trying to do electioneering and things thinking like that. We need movement comedians. I’m sure a lot of people see all the trolling that goes on and all the memes. We need people that are entertaining in that kind of way. We need people that are being street protesters. I think the people that are really going to be effective in this time are people that can not get caught up on their own little particular taste in activism. What they think is the best kind of human activity, we should be engaging in. And that can take a bird’s eye view and look holistically at everything that’s happening and go:
“All of this is valuable, all of this is advancing our cause!”
Because there’s so many different realms of humanity activity that we need to be engaging in. And most people aren’t going to be universal polymath geniuses that can delve in every kind of thing. But we got to have that mindset that we are glad that other people are doing those kind of work, doing that work that we aren’t particularly suited, we don’t have the temperament for.
Mark Collett: That’s certainly a very interesting perspective. And I suppose they can take everything from a man, but they can’t take away what’s in your heart. That’s something that you have to give.
And if you give that up freely and you’re happy to part with that’s on your head, it’s not on theirs. So I suppose, you know, really, if you were to go to jail, you would go to jail as a free man, because you’ve held on to all of the things that are in your heart. You’ve refused to cede any ground, and you can go there with your head held high. You know, I think that’s a very interesting perspective.
And when I look at some of the people who’ve been sent to jail in the UK, I see them in the same way. One short, final question before we go into the second hour of the show and we answer everyone’s questions. We’re going to read the Superchat soon. If you haven’t sent a donation you want to contribute to the show, please do consider sending one. There’s still another hour of the show to go.
But, Jacob, if you do go to jail, do you think you will see a wider wave of support? Do you think people will see you as a Martyr?
Because I’ll tell you this is the way I see it. I’m going to be brutally honest with you here. I don’t think the vast majority of Australians are going to come running to your side and defend you, but I do think the majority of Australians would think it was wrong for you to go to jail for simply raising your arm in the air.
And I think there’s a huge sense of injustice around these things. And we’ve recently seen this in the UK with the anti-immigrant protests and some of the people getting a bit rambunctious at those protests. So what you tend to see is if somebody who is sort of Right-wing and they manage to step over the line in some small, arbitrary manner, they get the full force of the law thrown at them. Whereas if you’re a Leftist and you do that, you’re given a pass.
So you’ll have a Left-wing mob pull down a statue and dump it in a river and it’s “social justice”. And the court overturns any sort of notion of it being criminal damage, it’s just social justice.
Whereas if you’re a White guy and you put your arm in the air, you’re actually going to go to jail for putting your arm in the air.
And I do think that whilst you might not get everybody on Australia behind you and wanting to join your organisation, I do think there’s going to be a huge, huge number of people who think what’s being done to you is fundamentally unfair and fundamentally against the ideals of freedom of speech and freedom of expression.
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Jacob Hersant: Yeah, well, I think it’s another situation where we’re just in a win-win situation in regards to publicity of this, it’s going to be massive publicity, but it can only be good publicity because it’s making what is our core population that we want to convince over to our ideals, obviously, the White population of Australia. And to obviously the White population of the world because it’s so interconnected with the Internet, but in particular the White Australian population.
And on the whole, like you said, people actually do sympathize with our movement in this fight. And that’s what we need to keep doing. That’s what we’ve been doing, where it’s like they see an issue, whether it be Drag Queen Story Hour or free speech, all these kind of things. And we want the White Australian public to look at these issues and they go:
“Why am I agreeing with the Nazis again, against the government?”
That’s what we need to do over and over again! And that’s what we’ve been so smart at, in Australia particularly. But I’m facing nothing like what the UK political prisoners are facing. What is happening there is just egregious. Like, it is insane! People shouldn’t worry about me like they worry about the what’s happening to the people in the UK. I’m not facing two years, like, for stickers, like, what happened to Sam Melia. I’m not facing eight year sentences like what happened to the National Action guys, which was just insanity! Such an injustice what happened, in my opinion. I think what they got jailed for was just insane! I don’t think it constituted terrorism at all! I thought it was just political activism, and that they were just unjustly imprisoned.
And the if I get jailed, obviously, after all these appeal things, two months in jail really is not like, that’s a holiday, in my opinion. I’ll be in solitary confinement, so I’ll just be allowed to read books, write things, write poetry. I like to write poetry. So people don’t need to worry about me in regards to that. And I’m a political activist. I understand that. I agree with George Lincoln Rockwell when he said “the path to the palace leads through the dungeons”, that if we are going to be serious about our ideals, we’re going to draw flak from the system, we’re going to be attacked by the system and we’re going to have to accept that if you’re standing on a battlefield, a political battlefield, you’re going to have your enemy attack you. They’re going to be trying to, … I’m being completely metaphorical here. I’m using this as a metaphor for our politics. Obviously, we’re not on a literal battlefield fighting our enemies. But we’re in a political battlefield. And these people are obviously going to try their best to make sure that their army wins and that our army is destroyed. So I’m more than willing to go to prison.
The other thing is, I know a lot of people ask me about donating to the legal cause. I do not need donations at all because I’ve been in prison for this, so I’ll get Legal Aid. The taxpayer is going to be paying for that.
So there are so many more National Socialists and White nationalists all across the world that need your money. I do not need your money in this fight. And my lawyers, even if they weren’t getting Legal Aid, they said they believe in free speech, they believe in this particular case. So they’re willing to do a pro-bono, which for people that don’t know legalese, that just means that they’re willing to do it for free. They’re willing to provide legal representation for free.
But I think we have in this fight in particular, free speech is such an important issue for us, and it is such a popular issue for us because people are sick of the censorship. They’re sick of what’s called “wokeness”. They’re sick of just the egregious censorship, the moral policing for the worst these degenerates, like, these scum, these people that are morally policing us and making it so we can’t even call women, women, we can’t complain about immigration. This is actually very popular, us standing up for free speech.
And another important thing, what you were saying is that I could have my head held high. And I did have my head held high when I was defending myself against these hostile journalists and things like that. And they really don’t know how to respond to that, because they want me to be there and apologetic:
“I’m so sorry that I gave a gesture. I’m so sorry. Like, I just, please don’t hurt me!”
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But when you go there and you have your head held high and you have the courage of your convictions, and you say:
“No, this law is invalid. What I gave was an honourable salute. There’s no problem. This is my beliefs!”
That kind of, that throws them off. They don’t know really how to do it, how to kind of paint you, and they have to just basically misrepresent what’s actually happening. Like, The Herald Sun is a newspaper in Melbourne, and they took a photo of me just looking. I was just not smiling at one point, and then they took a photo of me smiling and they took a photo of me not smiling. And they’re like:
“Nazi has his smile wiped off his face because he got convicted!”
[chuckling]
So they have to just rely on complete falsehoods and things like that. I think journalists are becoming more cognizant of the fact that nationalists can’t just hang themselves, aren’t hanging themselves anymore. We’re not making ourselves look like fools. And then they’re realizing that and they’re like:
“Oh, we can’t present them accurately now because that’s not working anymore. Every time we present them accurately, it only strengthens their position.”
So I think what you said is definitely right, but I’ll just reiterate. Yeah, I think what’s happening with the political prisoners in Britain is so much more important. I think they need so much more support than I do in this fight, because Australia, we just do not have the viciousness that the British establishment has to its White population. Not to say that there isn’t injustice here, there isn’t viciousness or anything, but it is not the equivalent of what the British are facing. And I think the British particularly need the support of all White people all around the world, especially other Anglo Saxons in America and New Zealand and Australia and Canada. You know, don’t forget Canada. [chuckling] We all need to support you guys. I think that’s where people’s support really needs to go.
Mark Collett: Well, thank you. Well, let’s do some of these Superchats and, well, not some of them. Let’s do all of these Superchats.
And if you want a Superchat, there’s still time tonight. Open Borders for Israel gave $5. Thanks so much. Said:
“Hail Jacob. A true Aussie nationalist. Mark, like everywhere else in the West, the jewish lobby is incredibly powerful here. Both play both sides of politics. Brenton Sanderson writes great articles on the jewish war on White Australia and The Occidental Observer.”
Well, thank you so much! Well, I’ll check that out. Dsallen7 gave $15. Thank you so much! And said:
“As an American, I feel like Australia is more openly oppressive and tyrannical in the hard power sense than the US. Maybe it’s because White Australians still have a stronger and more cohesive ethnic identity than US Whites. Whatever the case, I wish Jacob the best in fighting this evil.”
Yeah, I mean, it’s really weird because Australia, from a British perspective, is sort of a super based place. Brits think in Australia, you guys are sort of the manly guys. You have the right to do what you want. No one messes with you. I think most Brits would find it kind of weird to think of Australians sort of having restrictions on speech because you’re basically seen by others in the Anglo-sphere as sort of a very White, masculine nation.
Jacob Hersant: Well, we have the same jurisprudence and the same system as Britain has, but we also have a tradition of obviously convicts here.
So we’re a convict colony initially. And that obviously such a long history of that, having convicts and things like that, it doesn’t just wash away. We do not have any kind of tradition of libertarianism or freedom in the sense of American tradition here at all! As I was talking about earlier, the right to political communication here is only implied by the fact that we have a liberal, democratic constitution. We don’t have affirmative rights here, we don’t have a freedom of speech like the Americans have freedom of association and all these kind of things. We have nothing like that.
Every time that our politicians try to put in an equivalent, there’s never any support from the two major parties to do it. It never gets done. I think people have a always “Greener somewhere else”. I think people have rose coloured glasses when they look over to Australia. We really have the same problems as every other Western country. We are having our country systematically destroyed just like every other, not every other White country, but all the major White countries. Britain, America, Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, Germany, France, Spain, Britain, Ireland, everywhere. We’re having the exact same problem. So if people are looking to us in terms of the society for a better situation, we do not have it. I can guarantee you that.
In fact, race replacement here is probably worse considering we have such a small population and so much land. At least with places like Germany and Britain and America to a lesser degree, they have such dense populations and such big populations for small land and such inertia in terms of how big the population is there, that they can’t be replaced as quickly as New Zealand and Australia are being replaced.
So we are being demographically replaced so much quicker than countries like Germany and Britain. Britain had their floodgates open so much earlier than we did in Australia in the 1970s and we’re still in a terrible position. I think people shouldn’t look to us and think that we’re some sort of larrikins and therefore we’re more based. I’m telling you, we have just the exact same problems with Leftists, the same problems with White apathy, the same problems with cuckservatism. It’s more or less the same here.
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Mark Collett: Look, I don’t doubt that. I think people do look at things with rose tinted spectacles. I think there are better places in the world. I think Eastern Europe’s better.
But the problems there are getting worse. I think that probably the worst in terms of out and out mass immigration is probably Germany. I was reading a couple of articles in a German paper the other day and one of them was like:
“Oh, the German government is deporting five illegal migrants.”
And then the next article was like:
“The German government has just signed a deal with Kenya, a trade agreement that involves 250,000 Kenyans settling in Germany as part of the trade agreement.”
And you’re just like:
“Oh, God!”
All these people are sort of celebrating these sort of small gains by the AfD and five migrants being deported.
But then, on the other hand, legally, the German government is bringing in a quarter of a million Kenyans. I always see Germany as one of those places where that they beat them harder for obvious reasons. Jagdeep Jano gave $5. Thanks so much. And said:
“Jacob is great. Would be nice to see him on more of Joel and Blair’s streams. Really enjoyed the last one. PS Jacob looks like Mark’s little brother. Or his son.”
Yeah. You actually are young enough to be my son. How depressing is that? [laughing] God, if I’d have a kid at 19, he could be you. That is weird! God, how time flies. What I’d give to be 25 again, Jacob, I’ll tell you that. Shlomophobe gave $5. Thank you so much! And said:
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Thank you very much. And said:
“This may be something that you may have covered during the talk, but I am under the firm belief that to ensure our survival, we must all unite, not be separate as American, European, and Australian, but as a people under attack.”
Mark Collett: Yeah. What do you think to this? Because there seems to be, … So we’ve talked a little bit about the optics debate, but there does seem to be this issue where some people say:
“Look, we shouldn’t use the term ‘White’. You know, White is a term that we shouldn’t use. We should use terms like English, Australian, American.”
You know, White is a term that is generally used by the Left to attack us. We should use our unique ethnicities to our advantage.
So, for example you guys should be the, I don’t know, the Australian Rights Association or something, and here in Britain should be kind of like the English Indigenous Society. You know, these are just names I’m throwing out there.
But then some people say:
“No! We are all White people. We’re all of European descent. We’re all of shared ancestry and stock somewhere down the line. And we should be standing together against this threat that threatens us all.”
What’s your position on that?
Jacob Hersant: I can see both points of view, and I think that we really can do both. I don’t understand why it needs to be one or the other unless people are wanting to kind of throw the race stuff away. Because I can be an Australian and I can be a Whiteman. I can be both. And I can recognise that I have interests in both things. I think we have a hierarchy of kind of particular interests. I have more of an interest in looking after my particular family, because they’re my family.
But at the same time, I have an interest in my larger extended family and then in my ethnicity and then in my racial group, and then finally to the whole of humanity. We don’t really face fully threats to the whole of humanity in reality. But conceivably, if, say, there was an alien invasion or something like extraterrestrials came, people would unite around our humanists because there would be an external threat.
But at the same time, we are right now facing a racial threat. Our enemies explicitly say that they are after the White race. And even if they didn’t explicitly say it, we can deduce it from what is happening. We know what their agenda is. They’re attacking us as Whites in every single major White country. I can understand, maybe places like Latvia and Lithuania, maybe they’re doing okay right now. They’ve probably got the same problems in terms of decadence, but in terms of race replacement, they’re nowhere near as bad, as far as I know. Maybe that will change in the next decade or so, or places like Poland. I understand they’re not as bad. But every major historical world changing nationality of the White race, the United States, Germany, Britain, Spain, France, Australia, all these countries, we’re being attacked.
So we need to unite as Whites against this anti-White threat.
At the same time, we shouldn’t get caught up in kind of saying:
“Okay, we are only Whites!”
Like, I understand, we are Australians. We’re Americans. We still need to be nationalists in that sense. We don’t need to throw away everything in terms of our particular ethnicities, our particular cultures, our particular languages. We still should value these things. They’re good things. At the same time, we shouldn’t throw away the race stuff. And in Australia in particular, we have a tradition of race, explicit racism based on the fact that we’re a colonial power that came and displaced the original inhabitants through settler colonialism.
And it’s the same with America and Australia. So part of our national identity is the fact that we’re White men. And the slogan “Australia for the Whiteman” is not something that we came up with. It’s actually was a mainstream position. It was the headline of one of our most famous newspapers called The Bulletin, which national poets, celebrated poets of our nation, like Henry Lawson and Banjo Patterson, contributed to the headline, was Australia for the Whiteman.
So we just returned, we brought that back to contemporary politics. But that is what our national identity is about. We are White. We had the White Australia Policy. We conceived ourselves as Australians and as White men, as White Australians. And trying to separate that is insane, in my opinion.
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But, yeah, I think people get, like, kind of they can’t see eye to eye and they can’t come to a reasonable position of respecting nationalism and racism. And they go:
“Oh, you’re a racist! That means that you want everyone to be mixed together. You want Greeks to get you want all the Greeks to move to Britain and you want all the Portuguese to go live in Germany!”
And that’s not what we’re saying. We are saying that we have a common interest insofar as we are all Whites. We have a genetic interest in looking after each other. But we can do that in separate nations and in separate developments with different languages. We can do both.
And at the same time, people, maybe the more racist they’ll be, not so kind to people that are putting forward the national case of their particular nation. Putting that forward, although I don’t have as much sympathy, like, I’m more of a racist myself. I think that’s really what we need for this era.
Mark Collett: Thank you. Sorry, ItWasMadeUp. Gave $20. Thank you so much! And he said:
“Great guest. Jacob is very knowledgeable and speaks so well. He’s a great advocate for our people. It’s awful the way a so-called liberal democracy is persecuting him for his political beliefs.”
Well, thank you so much! DerCherusker gave $5. Thank you very much. And said:
“The awakening is on the rise. All the best and all the support to the national revolutionary comrades, keep on fighting and never give in. De camp is devata alla dinga. Struggle is the father of all things.”
Thank you so much! ThinRedLine gives $5. Thank you so much! And he said:
“NS Network, is that the same organisation that Thomas Sewell, Joel Davis and Blair Cottrell are members of?”
Jacob Hersant: Yes. Yeah, it is. There’s two organisations, what was called European Australian Movement. I think it’s going to be rebranded into something else. But, yeah, National Socialist Network. It’s the same sphere. It’s the same kind of like, movement and community. Yeah, all of us are like, I’m friends, personal friends with all those people. All of us live in Melbourne. We all support each other. Yes, that is true.
Mark Collett: Okay. Arab Social Nationalists gave $8.80. Thank you so much! Said:
“Jacob. I congratulate you for sticking to National Socialism, a worldview which is objectively true despite the squeamishness, embarrassment, and pearl clutching of its less robust nationalist minds. How do you deal with those who reject National Socialism and argue against its relevance to modern White nationalism?”
Jacob Hersant: Well, how would I argue for National Socialism against non, kind of just a more vague White nationalism? I just argue, …
Mark Collett: Yeah. How? Because obviously what some people would say is White nationalism in itself would probably be more saleable.
So say you had an organisation called, you know what did you say your slogan was? Australia for the Whiteman. Yeah.
If you just had kind of if you had an organisation called I don’t know, Australia for the Whiteman and you have the National Socialist Network. Some people would argue that an organisation called Australia for the Whiteman would intrinsically do better without the National Socialist tag attached to it. You know, that’s really what he’s saying. Do you think that would be more successful or less successful? If you’re holding on to the National Socialism, why would you? What’s your reason for holding on to that?
Jacob Hersant: Well, the primary reason for me is that I am a National Socialist. When I was learning about all kinds of White nationalism and stuff when I was a teenager, I came to the realisation that Adolf Hitler was right and that his ideals are what I believe in. I know a lot of people that are very pragmatic will be like, okay, but to me, that is a very important thing, that it’s what I actually believe. I believe in National Socialism, and that is why I’m a National Socialist. Like, I’m honest about my views. And then we can move to the practical argument after that.
I don’t think it is necessarily more or less pragmatic to present yourself as National Socialism or White nationalism because the reason each of them are persecuted are universal to both of the things, both of the ideologies. National Socialism is attacked because it’s racist. It’s nationalistic. Yeah, well, those are the main reasons that they’re racist, nationalistic, militaristic.
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And the fact is the vast majority of White nationalists are the same, and they’re going to be attacked all the same, [chuckling] and they’re going to be called. This is a practical argument. I get it. And people don’t like this argument, but they are going to be called Nazis anyway. And I would say more or less rightly, because how many White nationalists have we genuinely met who will be you know, maybe behind closed doors, who would say in the Second World War they did not want Hitler to win? Who would honestly say that? I’ve never met somebody that genuinely in good faith would say to me:
“Yeah, I’m glad that Great Britain and the United States won and the Soviet Union won the war against Germany.”
And we’re going to have to reckon with the fact that when we are talking to the public and we’re talking to our enemies and we’re debating with people, they’re going to bring up the Second World War, because the Second World War is such an important event. It was the biggest war in world history! And people just believe that we can sidestep that and just say:
“I don’t want to talk about the Second World War!”
We have to! We have to! [chuckling] It’s like, if people are going to bring it up, we’re going to have to talk about the Second World War.
And I think we’re going to have to necessarily say that even if you were a White nationalist and you don’t subscribe to all the things in regards to National Socialism, you’re going to have to say:
“Well, I do support, yeah, I do wish Germany had won the war because we would be living in a better world because of it.”
And by necessarily saying that, you’re just going to be called a Nazi anyway.
So I don’t think it’s necessarily more practical to call yourself a White nationalist compared to a National Socialist.
Yeah, I really don’t think that. In my opinion, in my estimation, I don’t think White nationalism is necessarily more sellable than the National Socialism is. I think, both of them are just as difficult to sell, considering there’s been a concerted effort against both of them, all the principles that underlie both of the ideology or particular ideologies. Yeah.
Why is Hitler hated? Why are the Nazis hated? They hated because they were nationalists! Because they were traditional family values. They valued fertility. They were against the degeneracy of today. They had a conception of race and racial solidarity. And we’re going to have to fight on those battlefields. We’re going to have to fight for these ideals, to normalise these ideals, regardless.
So it’s going to be a difficult struggle ahead, that is for sure.
Mark Collett: I think we can definitely all agree on that. Jagdeep Jane gave $5 thanks so much. Said:
“Jacob. I think Tom [Sewell] might have discussed this the other week. Will you set up some way for people outside Australia to donate to your organisation?”
Jacob Hersant: Yes, we do need to set up a way to donate. Right now it’s been difficult. Previous fundraisers have just been shut down. So it’s always kind of like a cat and mouse game. We’re always just trying our best to get up donations. Right now, we don’t need, well, we do need donations, but once it gets set up, you can obviously see, I’ll share it on my social media. The organisations will share it, Tom will share it.
But as I said, in regards to this legal case, I do not need fundraising. There are so many other causes that do need fundraising. So I recommend you, if you have money now and you itching to give it to people, give it to other efforts right now. And yeah, one day, sometime soon, we’ll have another way for people to donate if they want to donate to us particularly. But it’ll be for the organisation. It will be for our activities as an organisation, not for the legal defense, or anything like that.
Mark Collett: Okay, thank you very much. The Resident Baker gave $5. We got a one Odysee token thing.
I’m just going to read it out, but we’re not answer that. He says, Our Enemy Holocaust said:
“Our enemies will never, ever be appeased. There is no upside to compromising.”
Well, thank you so much! The Resident Baker gave $5. Thanks so much. Said:
“Another great guest, Mark. The recent activism undertaken by Jacob and the lads has been superb. I wish him all the best of luck in his fight with the anti-White system in Australia.”
Thank you so much! ThinRedLine gave Dollar 14. Thank you very much. Said:
“Great show. I really like the National Socialist Network.”
Thank you very much. $5 came from Kill Your TV. And he said:
“Jacob, recently you stated you like memes and other tomfoolery. Are you averse to someone taking your speeches and putting music to them?”
Jacob Hersant: I’m not adverse to anyone doing anything they want with my videos.
As far as I’m concerned, when I make a video and I put it on the Internet. It’s in the public domain. Do whatever you want with my videos. And even disseminate my videos, however you wish. You don’t have to credit me. It’s not about my individual identity as a person. It’s about the message and the words that I’m saying. So if like, I’m just so appreciative to anybody who wants to disseminate my content, whatever they want to do, you do whatever you want. Put music on it, put flashy graphics, do whatever you want. I’m more than happy for everyone to do whatever they want. Don’t credit me if you don’t want to. Do whatever. All of you given free rein over my public domain. I’m like, what’s that website that does the audiobooks where it’s like, “this is in the public domain”? LibriVox Recording. Like all my videos are like, LibriVox recordings are in the public domain! [loud laughing] You can just share them anywhere! Yeah. I’m just so grateful that people want to share my things. So of course you can do whatever you want with them.
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Mark Collett: Well, thank you. Jagdeep Jano gave another $10. Thank you for your generosity tonight, my friend. He said:
“Hey, Mark, Steve Laws gave a great speech at the Homeland Party conference a few weeks ago. Do you support Steve and the Homeland Party? Do you suggest nationalists join them?”
No, do not join them. He can do whatever he wants.
But if you’re here on this stream and you’re listening to Jacob, Jacob’s basically saying, don’t cuck! Jacob’s saying:
“Don’t give in to the pressure to sell out!”
These clowns have got a handful of community councillors which are non-elected positions that they pretend are serious elected positions. And one of their community councillors, in order to keep his position, has already voted for diversity and inclusion on the council. So they had a vote and this supposed nationalist councilor voted in favour of diversity and inclusion.
At the end of the day, if you call yourself a nationalist party and you have the mildest toehold in power in Britain that you could possibly have, but you’re already voting for diversity and inclusion, then what’s the point in even existing? There’s none!
I mean, I can understand the arguments for some moderation, and I also understand the arguments that you’ve got to stick to your guns and hold on to your beliefs.
But if you’re talking about moderating, but you’re in fact just selling out as soon as you form an organisation, what’s the point in even existing? There isn’t any. If you want to be involved in an organisation like that, you can do, but there’s no point the people in that organisation keeping having a go at Nigel Farage and saying:
“Oh, Nigel sold out on this and Nigel’s done that. And the Reform Party, you couldn’t possibly vote for them because of this reason!”
When the organisation that they’re a part of is doing exactly the same thing as the people they criticise. Complete waste of time!
And if people are impressed by what Jacob said tonight, and people agree with what Jacob has said tonight, then those people couldn’t possibly want to be part of an organisation that sells out their beliefs. For what? Acceptance on a community council in some tiny little town in Scotland. Pointless. Absolutely pointless!
I mean, when I look at people in the movement today who are genuine heroes, who are people that you look up to and that you admire, then who do I think of? Well, I think of people like Jacob. He could go to jail for making a hand gesture. I think about people like Sam Melia serving a two year prison sentence for putting up stickers that were legal. I don’t think that anyone who sits with a bunch of liberals and endorses anti-White policies can be held up as a nationalist. And if Steve Laws wants to support that kind of nonsense, that’s up to him. You know, that’s on his head, that’s on his conscience. I’ve never sold people out in my life. I’m not going to start selling out.
Although I might have certain differences with people about optics. One of the key issues is this. If you call yourself a nationalist and you endorse the policies of replacement, if you endorse the policies of diversity and inclusion, which is just a series of code words for anti-White, you’re not one of us! It’s as simple as that. I don’t know if you’ve got anything to add to the idea of nationalists who call them, or people who call themselves nationalists voting for diversity and inclusion?
Jacob Hersant: Yeah, well, I don’t know a lot about the Homeland Party. I don’t know a lot about Steve Laws.
I’ve seen some of it on Twitter. Obviously what we’ve talked about on the stream, I always talk universally about my principles. Whether or not those principles apply to particular organisations or not is up for people to make their own judgement about. I have a lot of people message me, like personally DM me and they’ll ask:
“Is this video talking about this organisation? Are you complaining?”
I don’t complain about particular organisations unless they’re Australian, because I’m in Australia. I honestly don’t know. I have no idea about what you’re referring to in regards to what’s happening with the Homeland Party. With that sounds concerning to me, and I hope they can rectify that. I hope they can clean that up if that’s what’s happening. But I don’t know anything about other scenes other than what I see on the Internet. And I know from experience all the things that are said about my organisation from disgruntled people that have it out for us, that there’s a lot of people that say all kinds of crazy things about my organisation.
For example, like people say, you brought it up earlier about Satanism and Atomwaffen. People make accusations that we’re Satanists in our organisation. Like, they say, there’s a bunch of people that they claim we’re Satanist. They say:
“Joel Davis is a Satanist because he has a Baphomet tattoo on his arm from when he was an edgy teenager.”
But that’s not true. So I don’t know about the specifics of other countries political movements, what’s happening and all that kind of stuff. That’s why I talk universally.
And I just think people that are like you’re in Britain, so you can talk about what’s happening with the Homeland Party and you know about it, you can apply what I’ve said to them. I can’t make that judgement because I don’t know about the Homeland Party and I can’t verify what is happening there.
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Mark Collett: Well, what I’ve reported to you has been reported in the press. There was a vote held on some community council, and their representative there voted for diversity inclusion. So it has been reported in the press, it’s been verified. They did that because they’re selling out.
I can tell you this as well. They won’t be supporting you. They won’t be supporting the kind of work you do they won’t be supporting political prisoners in the UK. They haven’t supported anyone in the UK that’s been arrested for protesting or for saying things on social media. I can tell you now, they are not the real deal! And the people who set them up are people that everyone should steer well clear of, especially the ones who have admitted in court to basically committing what are classed as acts of terrorism, but the police won’t even act against them. When young lads are getting dragged out of classrooms and genuine nationalists are getting arrested for the same thing and being given five years in jail. Anyone that manages to get away with that kind of stuff when they’ve admitted to doing those things in court just glows in the dark. I’m telling you that for free.
Poytyt gave $25. Thank you so much! And just said “donation”.
Well, thank you for your kind donation. ThinRedLine gave a dollar and said:
“Numbers.”
Which takes us to $148.80. So thank you so much for rounding that up to that figure. Wife Waffen gave $8. Thank you so much! And said:
“Have a great week.”
And Sally gave $5. Thank you so much! Said:
“Thank you, Mark and Jacob.”
Thank you very much. ScaredyCat gave $4. Thank you so much! And said:
“Hi, Mark and Jacob. You have striking courage, knowing you might be imprisoned by tyrants who have stolen your government, yet standing up against them for your own people’s honour and fair treatment.”
Thank you so much! ScaredyCat gave another $4. Thank you so much! Said:
“Hi, Jacob and Mark again. The whole world, including Muslims, should be fighting for two things. Stop non-White immigration to Europe and to nations founded by children of Europe and stop the upcoming attack on Iran.”
What do you think about that? Because this has been a big issue in the sort of American dissident Right.
The idea that whilst Trump is somebody who appeals intrinsically to sort of White working class voters, he is the most likely candidate to lead America into an unjust war against Iran. Is that something that you guys discuss, or are you guys not really interested in American politics or global politics? Do you just focus on the immediate issues that affect White Australians?
Jacob Hersant: Politically we focus on the issues that affect White Australians, obviously. Insofar as Australia, we don’t have our agency to decide whether or not a war is declared. We’re, for all practical purposes, America’s sidekick now. And if there is a war against Iran, I’m telling you, we’ll have a small, a very, very small amount of soldiers relative to the US that will come and accompany them and just be there. We don’t have a serious military in Australia. It’s been completely gutted and destroyed over the decades, to the point where it is just a joke! Our military is a complete joke!
So we don’t practically, we’re not going to be doing practical activism in regards to stopping a war. I am interested in world politics, but I’m not so interested in Middle East geopolitics and American foreign policy. I do agree that I don’t think it’s in anyone’s interest to go to war with Iran other than Israel. And therefore we should oppose it.
But, yeah, it’s not something that really gets me out of bed in the morning, as it were.
Mark Collett: No. I’ve sort of noticed that, generally speaking, you sort of get more discussion of issues pertaining to Israel, etcetera, from the American Right.
And I think they are more involved in that, as of the British Right, simply because our respective countries tend to be more involved when there are wars in the Middle East.
So you have the conflict in Iraq, you have the conflict in Afghanistan, you had the attempt to start a conflict in Syria, and right now British and American troops are already stationed in the Gulf preparing to defend Israel at any cost. And I think that does affect America to a much greater degree than any other country, but it also, to a lesser degree, quite implicitly affects the UK.
But I don’t think Australia, New Zealand, Canada or the other Anglo-sphere nations feel that kind of pressure the same way that America and the UK does. So I understand that you guys probably aren’t going to be as passionate about that particular issue.
MLG gave $25. Thank you so much! Said:
“Phenomenal guest. One of the best in the movement, in my opinion. Will have to watch a replay. Keep up your amazing work, gentlemen.”
Well, thank you so much for that generous Superchat. And we’ve got one Superchat left. And this is from Stix Sent Me Here, and he gave $14. Thank you so much! Said:
“Jacob! I messaged you a while ago on Telegram asking for a way to support your work. Is there now a way to support your work?”
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Jacob Hersant: In terms of donations? There isn’t a donation link up yet, but I’ll tell someone to set it up. Someone needs to set it up. But we’re always so under the pump. We were planning today, well, actually yesterday, because it’s 05:00 am here. So I had like maybe a four hour sleep before this, [chuckling] before this interview. But yesterday we were planning and we’ve got a lot of things coming up, so I’ll have to palm it off to someone. I’m so busy. I’m always under the pump. So I wish I could tell you there was someone, like there was a certain time I was going to set up and this is where you could donate, but someone else is going to have to organise it, unfortunately.
Mark Collett: Thank you. ScaredyCat gave another $5. Thank you so much! Said:
“Hi third time, Jacob and Mark. Half a century ago, my elder cousins, who were teenagers in their twenties, Muslims in Bangladesh, talked of their friend Hitler. I asked my mum why. She said his parents admired Adolf.”
This is something I’m going to ask you because obviously you’ve said you’re a National Socialist, etcetera. National Socialists have historically worked with people from other ethnic groups. So obviously Adolf Hitler had great admiration for certain ethnic groups. He spoke with them positively. Famously, he was far more sort of friendly, shook the hand of Jesse Owens at the Olympics, whereas the Americans wouldn’t acknowledge him because he was black. George Lincoln Rockwell famously worked with different black American groups. At one point, he worked with Malcolm X. How do you feel about that? As somebody who’s sort of a National Socialist, I know that some Australian nationalists are completely against working with any sort of non-Whites, but you keep speaking very sort of admiringly of Hitler. George Lincoln Rockwell. They did work with non-White groups who were aligned with their objectives or who also believed in the separation of races. What’s your opinion on that?
Jacob Hersant: Well, I do share the opinion that we shouldn’t work with any non-Whites that are direct threat to our nationality insofar as they’ve come and invaded the Australian continent and they’re coming and living here.
So all the immigrants, I think, by virtue of coming here have become our political opposition, because fundamentally, our guiding principle is Australia for the Whiteman. And these people are yellows, browns and blacks, and we can’t really ally with them. We can’t water down that principle.
At the same time, our principle being Australia for the Whiteman doesn’t mean that we can’t work with other races internationally. And considering we’re on the Internet, where we can connect to every other person that has an Internet connection in the world, that means we can work with other races. But they need to be in other parts, their respective parts of the world. I got no problem with working with Arabs that are in the Middle East. I got no problem with working with Africans when they’re in Africa. I got no problem with that.
But then again, it needs to be practical as well. Is there really any practical reason why the National Socialist Network needs to ally with Kenyan nationalists or something like that? There really isn’t any kind of practical reason we need to do that.
So I think if we had state power and we actually had to have a foreign policy, yeah, we’d be okay with working with other races. But we don’t have state power. There’s not really anything we can do. And our principles state that these immigrants that have been brought in by the jews, need to be returned means that we can’t really ally with these people, otherwise we’re undermining that core principle which defines our struggle.
Mark Collett: But you do sort of have sympathy for other racial groups that are sort of victims of the same global multicultural homogenised world. For example I mean, I have great sympathy with the Palestinian people, or I have sympathy with Lebanese families that at the moment are being terrorized by Israel. Do you have sympathy with those people or?
Jacob Hersant: Yeah, I have sympathy with people that are nationalists, regardless of what race they are. And I just expect that, like, I expect every race to put themselves first. I would just think it’s kind of silly any races that actually want to kind of serve White people and they want to put their people last and serve our sort of thing, things like that’s race treason to me.
So there’s a respect I have for people that are standing up for their own race because that’s literally what we’re doing. I think it is a universal principle that we can support everywhere.
But at the same time, I also recognise that they’re not us, that these other races, the yellows, the browns, the blacks, they’re not us. They’re not the same. And my sympathy doesn’t go out to them as much as it does to Whites. I have a particular care for my own race, for my own nationality.
And in regards to the particular cases you’ve given, like the Lebanese and the Palestinians, I do sympathize with them insofar as they’re being attacked by our common enemy, which is the jews. Yeah, I do sympathize with them, and I think they are being subjected to some pretty heinous crimes.
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Mark Collett: See, I think it’s always an interesting point to make, you see, because I suppose this is a bit of a difference I have with some people. I don’t regard myself as a racist. I don’t regard myself as somebody who intrinsically dislikes people of other racial groups. I regard myself as somebody who wants to see a genuinely multicultural world.
However, I want every country to be a homogenous monoculture. So I want, you know, England to be for the English, Scotland to be for the Scottish, Germany to be for the Germans, you know, Japan for the Japanese. I don’t wish any ill on these people. I’ve always found that that kind of approach is far more understandable.
And from what I’ve, you know, from what I see of sort of National Socialism, as in German National Socialism, pre-Second World War, that’s pretty much in line with what they believed. And Hitler had obviously warm friendships with different ethno-nationalists from around the world who of different racial backgrounds.
Jacob Hersant: Well, I don’t see racism as being hatred. I see just racism, … When I say “racist”, I say, I mean it in so far as someone, like what someone would call a nationalist. So a nationalist is a “nationist”. I think of racism as racist.
So I think there’s two components of racism. The first is obviously acknowledging that race exists, what people would call “race realism”, acknowledging that race is a biological reality and that it affects human behaviour and human activity, human society.
And then paired with that, being a racist is putting your particular race first, and advancing your race as a political identity. So being a racist is someone that puts your race first. I wouldn’t say racism is necessarily hating other races. Just like being a nationalist doesn’t necessarily mean that you hate every other nation. And, yeah, in fact, we can admire other races for what they actually have given the world and what they have contributed to history.
Mark Collett: That’s a very thoughtful answer.
I mean, I tend to sort of characterize myself as an ethno-nationalist. And I do believe it that we need to preserve the White race as a whole. The White race needs to stand together under the same umbrella. But amongst the White race, our individual ethnicities do also need to be preserved. And people often say to me about my views:
“Well, why are you concerned what happens in Sweden? We need to think about what’s happening here in the UK, et cetera, et cetera.”
I think that my issue is I feel that the same dark forces that are coming for us, our people, are coming for every other group of Europeans or all other peoples of European descent. So I think we do need to stand together.
But the term “racist”, I think has a number of negative connotations. And I also think in the UK, if you described yourself as a racist, that might even be against the law now.
I don’t think I’ve ever described myself as a racist, but I’ve always described myself as an ethno-nationalist or somebody who is a White racialist in the terms that I want the best for my people, but not to the detriment of others.
And I think that’s really what makes a thoughtful, ethnocentric person stand out from kind of like the Hollywood caricature, is that sort of I don’t want any form of supremacy. I don’t want to dominate other people or colonise other people. I just want my people to be allowed to flourish and I want all others to be allowed to flourish.
One last question I’ve got for you. This is always an interesting thing. Always an interesting question from an Australian point of view. Obviously, Australia was founded by White men, but there were people in Australia before the White men arrived. How would you deal with Aboriginals? Would you just give them their own land and separate them from your people? What sort of claim do you think they have? As somebody who’s obviously deeply invested in your own people, what sort of investment would you grant them?
Jacob Hersant: Well, honestly, like, if the honest answer is, I think that they should basically be given their own reservations and should be completely and utterly separated from White Australians, and that should be strictly enforced. They realistically, they cannot be given their own state. They do not have the capacity to form a state at all! I think they should just basically be treated like. And this is going to upset a lot of people! But they should be treated like protected wildlife. Because that’s how they live! They live as animal, as hunter gatherers, basically. Their whole mythology is about animals and all these things. They’ve just got a poetic imagination. They conceive as everything, as animals, animal powers, all these kind of things. They should just be left to live as they’ve lived for tens of thousands of years. And there needs to be separation. They need to be allowed to just live how they’ve lived, and they need to just leave. We need to leave them alone and they need to leave us alone.
Mark Collett: You know what? I don’t think that’s a controversial point. And do you know why I don’t think it’s a controversial point? I think it’ll be treated as a controversial point. I think people might pull this up and make it out to be a controversial point, but actually it isn’t. And the reason it isn’t is because there are places in the world, like North Sentinel island, where there are tribes that have never been introduced to the outside world, and it is illegal to go and interfere with those tribes. It’s illegal to go there and try and take them Christianity or healthcare or medical care, or a written language. And they are treated, as you say, as a completely separate entity.
And I’ve got to say, with what you’re suggesting, I think that would be better for them. I think the Aboriginals are better surrounded and enveloped by their own culture, their own way of life, their own heritage, and listening to their own myths, worshipping their own gods, than they are being integrated into a Western society in which they can never fit in.
And in many ways, although what you would set what you’re saying here will be decried and called cruel, etcetera. It’s actually a more workable solution than the much more cruel liberal solution of expecting them to unfortunately fit in with a highly technological, advanced Western society, which isn’t in their interests. They never developed. And when you see Aboriginals pulled into that kind of society, it leads to horrors for them as a people. And I have seen original, I have seen Aboriginal people living in their natural sort of tribal environment. Although it’s not something I’d want for me. I do respect those who carry on their traditions. They’re different to my traditions, but I respect that more than I respect the liberal desire to turn them into us when they’re never going to be us. I think that’s a very good point.
But anyway, we’ve reached the end of the show. We’ve got another $5 from. Ok, Three Wire. Who gave what? $5 and a little thumbs up. Well, thank you so much!
Jacob, it’s been absolutely fascinating talking to you tonight. Do you want to give yourself a brief outro and tell everyone where they can find you?
Jacob Hersant: The best platforms to follow me on Telegram so you can find me. Just search up Jacob Hersant. You’ll find me. I got banned on X or Twitter. But somebody, I don’t know who he is. He might be some handsome individual, runs an account called Mark Hersant, and he re-uploads my content.
So you can follow, you can get my video content there. You can find me on Gab as well. Gab’s probably the safest platform I’m on. I presume I’ll get Apple banned and Android store banned on Telegram eventually. The person who’s re-uploading my content on Twitter probably will get banned again eventually.
So if you want somewhere to always follow me, go follow me on Gab. Jacob Hersant. Thank you for having me on, Mark. Like, I really appreciate you giving me your platform and asking those thoughtful questions. And I wish all British nationalists success in this struggle for the survival of our people.
Mark Collett: Well, thank you so much! Well, that brings us to the end of tonight’s show. I just want to thank Jacob for being here. It was really, really thought provoking interview and very, very interesting to hear a man who is so young, so committed and so unwavering in his desire to hold on to his beliefs and to not give in to the immense pressures being piled upon his young shoulders. And whether you agree with everything he says or not, I think you can definitely salute him for his commitment to his cause, no pun intended. And we wish him all the best with his legal struggles.
Anyway, I’d also like to thank everyone who donated so generously.
And finally, I’d like to thank everyone who stuck with the stream. Everyone who shared it, everyone who liked it. Everyone who’s part of our amazing community. I love you all. And we’re back. Same time next week for another episode of Patriotic Weekly Review. Thank you so much, everybody. Good night. I’ll see you all again soon. Love you all. See you next week.
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MagicManintheSky
1 hour ago
Hail Hersant.
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Abby Eagle
1 hour ago
At bus stops in Australia there is a sign with an iconic man with arm raised in a Roman salute with the words “Hail Bus” or “Hail Driver”.
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ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
Hail Victory
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Archipelago Woes
34 minutes ago
Heil Hersant!
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Ethno Nationalist
2 hours ago
Thanks Mark and Jacob is a great guest blood and Honour 1488 o/
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@BMC1488
2 hours ago
Romans for Jacob o///
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@EnglishRose
2 hours ago
Thank you for a great stream and a great guest.
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@dsallen7
2 hours ago
Great stream today. Jacob is an engaging and intelligent speaker.
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danzimmons
2 hours ago
going to watch the great Tollah
@6079SmithW
2 hours ago
tru dat I meant to say
@Gundobar
2 hours ago
Heil Frens!
@dsallen7
2 hours ago
o/
14Reasons
2 hours ago
cya
The Resident Baker
2 hours ago
o/
@JackOLanturn
2 hours ago
Thanks Mark, thanks Joel, o/
ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
o/
danzimmons
2 hours ago
°/
@Ihtultu
2 hours ago
Good evening everyone.
ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
@6079SmithW
right
danzimmons
2 hours ago
or stay sober 👌🏻
@SerenaJB
2 hours ago
Great guest.
@6079SmithW
2 hours ago
@TheThinRedLine
try dat, but use it as its supposed to be used
danzimmons
2 hours ago
don’t sniff glue kidz M’kay
14Reasons
2 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
and that will never change. those primitives have always done this and always will. but let’s starve ourselves out for random primitives who would chop us all up, eat us and then use our skulls for a voodoo ritual
ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
great stream, great chat 👍
ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
Good night Brothers and Sisters
@6079SmithW
2 hours ago
when they discovered our alcohol and glue, it really fkd them.
14Reasons
2 hours ago
@Ihtultu
true
ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
We have to admit how embarrassing n cringe the altruism of the white man is. These primitive people cannot be helped
Chuck Gerety
2 hours ago
They are only something to observe
danzimmons
2 hours ago
same thing they tried N Canada 🇨🇦
14Reasons
2 hours ago
they’re like Africans. they never evolved
@JDogPitler
2 hours ago
that’s not Joel. That’s Jacob
Chuck Gerety
2 hours ago
They are who they are and thats ok. Just never interfere with them
14Reasons
2 hours ago
the way they STILL try to get them civilized is abusive to them. and no, that’s not cucking. they should be just left alone
@LanesHasGains
2 hours ago
their own culture is eating their own kids
ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
@6079SmithW
glue will fuck anyone up
Callaghan
2 hours ago
14
@Shlomophobe
2 hours ago
o/
@6079SmithW
2 hours ago
Tollah, giz a rap?
ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
@TheAyatollah
boss 👌
danzimmons
2 hours ago
Tollah! see you then
14Reasons
2 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
as if every “starvation crisis” is the responsibility of Whitey. I just heard of some 130 million Africans in some sort of alleged starvation crisis and then somehow we’re obligated to give them endless aid. those primitives will ALWAYS be starving because it’s what THEY DO. primitives
Chuck Gerety
2 hours ago
Its like aliens interfering with Humans. Dont interfere with Africa
The Ayatollah
2 hours ago
I’m live here once this finishes:
Lampshade Denier
2 hours ago
Very handsome.
@Ihtultu
2 hours ago
@14Reasons
correct. they don’t seem to understand that the world is based of struggle, competition, extreme violence. that is nature, and nature always wins. this world that we live in is not natural, an it will come to and end faster than they think.
Chuck Gerety
2 hours ago
Just leave them be
danzimmons
2 hours ago
juxtaposition any abo with any European
14Reasons
2 hours ago
it would be falsely perceived as controversial because they will be depicted as they’re just like us. they’re the opposite of us racially and in our nature
ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
were*
ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
they wandering around naked eating worms before we arrived in Australia
Chuck Gerety
2 hours ago
The unique expressions of humanity aren’t interchangeable within one society
danzimmons
2 hours ago
Don’t be rama rama
14Reasons
2 hours ago
their average intelligence is profoundly low. some of the lowest on earth. they aren’t like modern human Whites in the slightest
@ItWasMadeUp
2 hours ago
Based Jacob
@ssanwaerter
2 hours ago
People that have never met any abos will seethe. But if you’ve ever met a full blooded abo you know hes right.
@BMC1488
2 hours ago
I hear they sleep on the roads lol
ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
@Charles
💯 inferiority complex
14Reasons
2 hours ago
that’s fair. they’re extremely primitive. he’s right
The Awakened Saxon
2 hours ago
The creator of The Impartial Truth is of Iranian ethnicity and is a conviction National Socialist.
danzimmons
2 hours ago
every parasite eventually dies when they kill the host
14Reasons
2 hours ago
@Ihtultu
altruism, morality. crippling in the face of genocide. may kind weak illusions and delusions fall to dust and be humiliated for their false notions of a peaceful and loving world
Chuck Gerety
2 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
Perhaps they lash out due to a inferiority complex?
@Ral9010NatSoc
2 hours ago
You can call yourself an ethno-nationalists, but they will still call you a racist.
@ItWasMadeUp
2 hours ago
@JackOLanturn
Yes, it works well
Chuck Gerety
2 hours ago
The label is only used when it’s against us
@Ihtultu
2 hours ago
and yet they wanna dominate us. morality will really be the end of us. it’s our biggest weakness.
@Ral9010NatSoc
2 hours ago
@JackOLanturn
It’s about disarming jewish slander. A racists is someone who’s racially aware, to them.
14Reasons
2 hours ago
like I have said, they’re already going after some Asian nations. one is Japan. Japan has followed our trajectory ‘hand in hand’ since the 60s. minus the mass invasion. but the trickle has begun there. the games of Non Japanese subversion is already very much alive and in swing
@JackOLanturn
2 hours ago
I try to use “in group preference” in lieu of “racist”
Chuck Gerety
2 hours ago
It’s a label that really doesnt even make sense when really considering it
Joe Marsh
2 hours ago
Toffee come on my stream Monday lar
Ethno Nationalist
2 hours ago
Mark Germany had a homogeneous country at that time
@UltimateTruth
2 hours ago
AH did not have a blind hatred of all other races. He understood the fundamental problem was Jewish hegemony. The Jewish elite play the races off against each other, this is why they fund Tommy to focus solely on Islam
danzimmons
2 hours ago
Big Joe!
ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
@WelshNationalistJoe
gtsy laa
Chuck Gerety
2 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
Why weren’t they brought back and settled in Liberia? Look at this mess we are left with wtf dude
14Reasons
2 hours ago
@WelshNationalistJoe
oy that’s too much hate thoughts you lot
@BMC1488
2 hours ago
Racially Conscious
@JackOLanturn
2 hours ago
We can’t win over any race brainwashed normies with the term “racist”
14Reasons
2 hours ago
“racism” is just White ethnocentrism in what it’s perceived as
Joe Marsh
2 hours ago
If we described ourselves as racist in the UK they would arrest us guaranteed
ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
@Charles
3 months is being generous 😂
Chuck Gerety
2 hours ago
We are told everyone can do that except us of course
14Reasons
2 hours ago
@Ihtultu
ello
Chuck Gerety
2 hours ago
We are fpr true peace and harmony
@6079SmithW
2 hours ago
well said
danzimmons
2 hours ago
even if you haaate them still use them as propaganda against our mutual enemy.
ok3wire
2 hours ago
$5.00
👍
Ethno Nationalist
2 hours ago
Muslims in there own countries ok not when they in our countries
Chuck Gerety
2 hours ago
I hope good for Black Americans but it’s not our concern
Chuck Gerety
2 hours ago
That’s healthy and respectable
The Crucible 01
2 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
once you get to know me, you will realize i am indeed a cunt. no hard feeling towards you. its my nature 🙂
Callaghan
2 hours ago
@TheCrucible01
0/
ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
@TheCrucible01
could’ve just posted your channel link instead of being a C***
14Reasons
2 hours ago
prior to racism in the UK , there was a time they call it : “RACIALIST”
@ItWasMadeUp
2 hours ago
@14Reasons
Essentially, yes
Chuck Gerety
2 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
Yes and call Florida ‘New Africa”. Im sure it would fall into chaos within 3 months and they would be back to blaming us for everything
@Ihtultu
2 hours ago
@14Reasons
Hello mate.
danzimmons
2 hours ago
most Palestinians want to be left alone in Palastine.
14Reasons
2 hours ago
racism is just an Anti White slur
@ItWasMadeUp
2 hours ago
Is a racist someone who dislikes other races, or just someone who acknowledges the differences between the races.
@Ihtultu
2 hours ago
Mark has sympathy for the palestinians. but if the roles were reversed. they wouldn’t have sympathy for us, they would rejoice.
ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
@Charles
give the blacks one state n isolate them all there. Florida maybe
Better Based Than Erased
2 hours ago
But do the Palestinians have sympathy for Indigenous Europeans and want their future (European) assured – not so sure..
Chuck Gerety
2 hours ago
Africa can do as they please but stay the hell away from our lands
The Crucible 01
2 hours ago
@WHITESUNITEWORLDWIDE
mornin fella o/
Callaghan
2 hours ago
Hail Jacob 0/
Chuck Gerety
2 hours ago
We aren’t against anyone as much as we are just for ourselves
Natec0997
2 hours ago
@TheThinRedLine
just want to see it in my lifetime
The Crucible 01
2 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
i am actually awesome af
ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
@TheCrucible01
f**ks sake 🙄 you seem like a cool fella
Ethno Nationalist
2 hours ago
Well said Jacob Race First o/
The Crucible 01
2 hours ago
@JackOLanturn
you dont ignore it all, you have been commenting on the videos ive uploaded liar lol
@JackOLanturn
2 hours ago
We are familiar, but I’ll just ignore any of that type of behavior. Thanks though
The Crucible 01
2 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
what do you think?
ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
@TheCrucible01
whats your channel, I’ll sub
14Reasons
2 hours ago
yes he worked with other ethnic groups that weren’t in his own country because it was a homogenous Germany
The Crucible 01
2 hours ago
@6079SmithW
yeah well said lol
The Crucible 01
2 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
hince why i made the comment
@6079SmithW
2 hours ago
@6079SmithW
2 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
well said Toffee
The Crucible 01
2 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
yes i do, his commented on my channel several times
ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
@TheCrucible01
how is that a helpful comment? You dont even know who the person who asked the question is
@JackOLanturn
2 hours ago
What kind of ball? sports ball?
ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
@Natec0997
agreed We Will Win
@JackOLanturn
2 hours ago
Ok, cool. Thanks.
Natec0997
2 hours ago
@TheThinRedLine
I’m convinced that we can defeat them. It is going to be a long road ahead but we’ll get there
The Crucible 01
2 hours ago
@JackOLanturn
an irl activist someone who has ball unlike you
ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
@JackOLanturn
Australian Nationalist from the same group as Joel Davis
14Reasons
2 hours ago
@JackOLanturn
some based Australian
danzimmons
2 hours ago
Jacob Hersant
ToffeeL10
2 hours ago
@JackOLanturn
Australian Nationalist
ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
@Natec0997
wise and the right approach
@JackOLanturn
2 hours ago
Just got here, can anyone fill me in on who the guest is please?
@6079SmithW
2 hours ago
@JackOLanturn
hello
ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
@JackOLanturn
hello and welcome
danzimmons
2 hours ago
certified psychopaths
Natec0997
2 hours ago
@TheThinRedLine
I have saved the anger for later. Now, I have decided to fight back with our propaganda
@JackOLanturn
2 hours ago
Hello everyone o/
ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
@danzimmons
yes
danzimmons
2 hours ago
poisoned their fecking food
danzimmons
2 hours ago
or more
ThinRedLine
2 hours ago
@Natec0997
they killed at least a million Germans in the camps after the war
@david_smith
2 hours ago
@TonyGonzalez
Banking issues.
Natec0997
2 hours ago
Remember – we are dealing with an enemy who bombs children. And this didn’t start in middle east. They did the same to the German children even after they surrendered
Better Based Than Erased
2 hours ago
I’m suspicious of the Homeland founder – I believe he associated with the BNP membership list people- then he does forsakes PA at a most suspicious time almost designed to do maximum harm…
Reactionary Traditionalist
2 hours ago
What happened to Fraser Anning?
Natec0997
2 hours ago
@TheThinRedLine
exactly
ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
Steve Laws glows in the dark
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
@Natec0997
The AI translations of AH are going viral on tiktok
@6079SmithW
3 hours ago
Has Steve Laws joined the H land party?
@SerenaJB
3 hours ago
Steve Laws is a good guy all the same.
Natec0997
3 hours ago
@Woodlader.4
one interesting phenomenon is that NS imagery and AH’s speeches have become very popular recently. The fact that my generation even admitted that AH had some “good policies” makes this even better. The moment we undermine the lies told about AH and NatSoc, the enemy loses.
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
$1.00
Numbers
Better Based Than Erased
3 hours ago
Homeland – suspicious – designed to fail or keep people occupied. & if an (unikely) electoral miracle occurs become ukip lite as designed…
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
agreed a few thousand like him and we would win
danzimmons
3 hours ago
as we’re being outnumbered
danzimmons
3 hours ago
just like trump
danzimmons
3 hours ago
they’re just more stalling tactics
ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
@TheThinRedLine
yea he’s a top young man ⚡️
Poytyt
3 hours ago
$25.00
donation
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
agreed but it is clear that Jacob is a true idealist
the woodlander
3 hours ago
@6079SmithW
hi mate
@noreplacement
3 hours ago
Always acknowledge people who have contributed
14Reasons
3 hours ago
another traitor pretending to be based. sickening
@6079SmithW
3 hours ago
@Woodlader.4
Hello Sir.
14Reasons
3 hours ago
@Natec0997
yes and there is no way of telling if he has or hadn’t
@ItWasMadeUp
3 hours ago
signed up to DEI
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
@Woodlader.4
yes
ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
anyone who shares Jacobs stuff should credit him. Respect to the lad for being so modest ⚡️
@SerenaJB
3 hours ago
Oh dear.
the woodlander
3 hours ago
@TheThinRedLine
boomer truth regime
Natec0997
3 hours ago
@14Reasons
Yes I know. He is very smart. My point is that a man like that must always have kids
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
@Woodlader.4
yes there is a generational issue
danzimmons
3 hours ago
probably has to swat away the Stralian lass’s
the woodlander
3 hours ago
full out NS doesnt fly in the UK at the present, to many people fell for the propogander, but the younger generations are much more detached.
14Reasons
3 hours ago
@Natec0997
I didn’t say he hadnt. Murdoch is very strategically advanced. that’s all I’ll say
Natec0997
3 hours ago
@14Reasons
he really should. He must pass on his pro white instincts.
danzimmons
3 hours ago
💯
14Reasons
3 hours ago
@danzimmons
bankers , Israel, the “new world orde”, those for malice and treachery
danzimmons
3 hours ago
bankster’s))))) won WW one & two, obviously
14Reasons
3 hours ago
@Natec0997
he’s not uncle old yet but I’d be real worried if he hasn’t had kids yet
Natec0997
3 hours ago
@14Reasons
uncle Tim Murdock has the best terms
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
which is why there are different groups
@6079SmithW
3 hours ago
caught a live one. Hello all.
danzimmons
3 hours ago
#its ok to be White…
ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
good hashtag that #teamwhiteunite. ALL of us
14Reasons
3 hours ago
Noooo that’s literally an elite narrative about multi racial kumbaya under an alien attack wtf
@BMC1488
3 hours ago
Its whitepilling to see bright young Nationalists like Jacob doing great work and standing up for our race.
Callaghan
3 hours ago
TEAM WHITE UNITE
danzimmons
3 hours ago
i am White.
14Reasons
3 hours ago
we are White but there is many different distinct variant s of White bloodlines and long standing legacies
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
White unity world wide
@ItWasMadeUp
3 hours ago
It’s pointless nitpicking. We are English AND we are white.
14Reasons
3 hours ago
I’d just call myself pro white
ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
i want to win, n we won’t win with outright Austrian painter optics. I wish we could, but we can’t 🤷♂️
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
looking at the world today it is difficult to say that the good guys won WWII
@ItWasMadeUp
3 hours ago
@BlackwaterPark
A movement is born
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
^^
@BlackwaterPark
3 hours ago
Australian Chad Network
14Reasons
3 hours ago
@Carlota
it don’t matter . the way they’re playing that game with corrupting entire fields to be dominated by invaders is the inception phase of solidifying future power. like bloody browns in gas stations and ubers and taxis
Jagdeep Jano
3 hours ago
$10.00
Hey Mark, Steve Laws gave a great speech at the Home Lnd Party Conference a few weeks ago. Do you support Steve and the Home Lnd Party, led by your friend Ken, and do you suggest Nationalists join them?
@6079SmithW
3 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
🫡
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
o/
danzimmons
3 hours ago
every people have fought other people, we just happened to be the best
ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
@6079SmithW
evening kidda gtsy
14Reasons
3 hours ago
@Carlota
so they’re moving fast with the agenda. bastards
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
like links on the White chain
@6079SmithW
3 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
Hello Toffee la
14Reasons
3 hours ago
every Western White nation we’re told all we did was enter Non White lands, subjugate and slaughter them. it is never that simple. it is immensely more intricate
14Reasons
3 hours ago
White European bones pre date so called native Americans. the evidence has already been confirmed. all we did was leave north america a very long time ago ..for some odd reason.maybe natural disasters and then CAME BACK
danzimmons
3 hours ago
exactly
The Pork Report
3 hours ago
It’s great being White
14Reasons
3 hours ago
“WHite Australia policy ”
Arab Social Nationalist
3 hours ago
All White people are under attack. Separation by White ethnicities is lunacy. The enemy views
White people as one, so White people’s defence should necessarily be unified.
14Reasons
3 hours ago
if you want to specify the phenotype of our people that’s fine too. but we all are white
14Reasons
3 hours ago
we are White. people saying we shouldn’t use White are retards
The Anglosphere
3 hours ago
We love the Anglosphere
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
true
danzimmons
3 hours ago
lol it’s true
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
I am your father Jacob
ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
I’ve just realised who Jacob reminds me of! He looks a bit like Morrissey. That’s a compliment, i love Morrissey, he’s quite based
danzimmons
3 hours ago
“they” are obviously ramping up their replacement scheme
@ItWasMadeUp
3 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
lmao, yes only slightly though
@BMC1488
3 hours ago
Hail the Anglosphere and all our White Countries! o/
ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
I read recently that the UK is one of the most densely populated places on earth now. India level densely populated, but with slightly less poo in the streets
The Pork Report
3 hours ago
^^^
danzimmons
3 hours ago
^^^
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
Libertarianism is jewish poison
danzimmons
3 hours ago
do all the black power salute’s you please ✊🏿 don’t you dare salute as a White man 🫳🏻🤚🏻🫳🏻
Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
The British criminals arrived in Australia and formed who we know as Australians
ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
@ItWasMadeUp
id rather we use our superior white intellect n be more sensible n tactical.
danzimmons
3 hours ago
it’s getting harder for normie’s to cope every day
@ItWasMadeUp
3 hours ago
If they are imprisoning you for your political beliefs, there comes a time when you have to stand up, or at least support the people that do.
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
Hail Britain and the British people
Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
The amount of hate towards our people is so obvious I don’t see how a normie cant see it at this point
Kill_Your_TV
3 hours ago
$5.00
Jacob, recently you stated you like memes and other “tomfoolery” are you averse to someone taking your speeches and putting music to them?
ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
@danzimmons
pointlessly throwing up the Romans has achieved nothing for Jacob
danzimmons
3 hours ago
be scared White man, never offend poc’s
danzimmons
3 hours ago
but being a scared pussy isn’t changing jack shite neither
@Toosoon
3 hours ago
👍🏼
ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
@Toosoon
fully agree. I’ve been, it wasn’t fun.
Ethno Nationalist
3 hours ago
Honour is a great thing
Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
Lawyers can be scumbags. There’s the occasional good one but you know what I mean
The Resident Baker
3 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
Cracking show with Horus the other night, mate.
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
$14.00
Great show, I really like NS network
Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
@CampsLindburgh
They had some crazy devices back in 1300
ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
@Woodlader.4
evening Si gtsy
Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
@CampsLindburgh
We can take note of the medevil torture time
the woodlander
3 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
evening mate
ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
great show so far gents 👏
@CampsLindburgh
3 hours ago
we need experts in physical punishments
Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
The 1965 immigration act was a compromise and look where that lead us
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
EXACTLY JACOB
danzimmons
3 hours ago
obviously 🙄
@Toosoon
3 hours ago
I think going to jail is not noble, it’s stupid & to be avoided
danzimmons
3 hours ago
hostile journo’s ie activist
the woodlander
3 hours ago
very encouraging to see such a switched on 25 yr old
danzimmons
3 hours ago
bankster’s)))))
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
an honest lawyer a rare thing indeed
danzimmons
3 hours ago
it’s an attack by coward’s
@Carlota
3 hours ago
https://www.givesendgo.com/sammelia
Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
It’s a battle alright just a different type of battle without swords in the traditional sense
@cheflad
3 hours ago
#FreeSam
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
#freeSam
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
a poet and a warrior what more can you be
danzimmons
3 hours ago
#FreeSam!
ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
@ourresidentbaker
nice one laa much appreciated
danzimmons
3 hours ago
remigration yesterday!
danzimmons
3 hours ago
then it’s too late
danzimmons
3 hours ago
we’ve seen what happens to virtue signaling anti racist’s already, they eventually get “enriched”
Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
Destroying statues because Brown people cant build civilization. The insanity of it goes without words
@CampsLindburgh
3 hours ago
@Charles
those are the kind of experts we need today
The Awakened Saxon
3 hours ago
100 percent Jacob – Never Compromise
danzimmons
3 hours ago
ask Sewell lol he’ll tell you the same
danzimmons
3 hours ago
°/
@HardR
3 hours ago
o/
danzimmons
3 hours ago
yeah of course but Jacob is fearless, 3 hots & a cot with time to read
ToffeeL10
3 hours ago
@danzimmons
apart from imprison him for a long time. He’s useless in jail, we want our active young lads at liberty not languishing in a cell.
Chuck Gerety
3 hours ago
Have a clear definable outline beforehand that we never compromise on
danzimmons
3 hours ago
they’re using everything from planes ✈️ too container ship’s
@ItWasMadeUp
3 hours ago
@BritishGammon
exactly
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
@BritishGammon
well said
@BritishGammon
3 hours ago
No point in having a wall if the gates are open
@cheflad
3 hours ago
now Trumps a dog on a Zionist Chain.
14Reasons
3 hours ago
there is no wall
danzimmons
3 hours ago
there’s nothing they can do to him to make him back down
danzimmons
3 hours ago
Jacobs basically made himself indestructible by the evil anti White regime
@cheflad
3 hours ago
well said Mark.
The Resident Baker
3 hours ago
$5.00
Another great guest Mark. The recent activism undertaken by Jacob and the lads has been superb. I wish him the best of luck in his fight with the anti-White system in Australia.
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
we are common sense
danzimmons
3 hours ago
fecking system ngo’s against everything English
danzimmons
3 hours ago
f^ck cope not haaate lol
Arab Social Nationalist
3 hours ago
Good luck, when Reform get Hope Not Hate to vet their candidates
@cheflad
3 hours ago
Win hearts & minds
danzimmons
3 hours ago
💯 percent It’s ok to be White
@GaelicNord
3 hours ago
Another great example of a reasonably message put out by nationalists that exposed the regime to come out of the woodwork was “Its ok to be White” It exposed them so bad. The message was so reasonable yet they lost their minds over it calling it “HATE!” & “RACISM!” etc. Lol.
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
LOL
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
@jagdeepjano
I actually donated to him when he got arrested
@frog.eyes
3 hours ago
“successful movements like…….. before they got arrested…” LOL
ThinRedLine
3 hours ago
Even though we all face fundamentally the same situation all countries have their own particular circumstances
danzimmons
3 hours ago
should PA replicate Stralian WN tactics N the uk 🇬🇧 would it be possible
@BMC1488
3 hours ago
Destroy Paedo Freaks! is a great slogan.
Jagdeep Jano
3 hours ago
To my knowledge he is Thin Red Line . “Oy vey Tommy Robinson has been arrested everyone, we need your shekels to get him out again!!”
@frog.eyes
3 hours ago
ahh, the “it’s more problematic than ever” white pill. how quaint.
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
I sAvi yemini still active ?
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
very good
ToffeeL10
4 hours ago
@jagdeepjano
aahh of course! I forgot about that little wrongun
ToffeeL10
4 hours ago
@SublimeBraid
Nigel Garbage, i like that 😂
Jagdeep Jano
4 hours ago
Toffee, they have Avi Yemini, a Jew from Rebel Media
SublimeBraid
4 hours ago
Nigel Garbage is looking after Nigel Garbage.
Arab Social Nationalist
4 hours ago
He believes it’s all about “values”. He’s all about jews and Hindus, just like Tommy.
Arab Social Nationalist
4 hours ago
Farage doesn’t believe that White people have a right to be a majority in this country
ToffeeL10
4 hours ago
Ask Jacob if Australia has it’s own version of Tommy Robinson, a high profile fake kosher Nationalist type
HoloCough
4 hours ago
1
our enemies will never ever be appeased, there is no upside to compromising
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
@ArabSocialNationalist
I agree
Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
My issue is with clout chasers who are pretending to be based
Arab Social Nationalist
4 hours ago
Nationalism should be a broad church, and you need radicals who reject worries about optics.
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
@ItWasMadeUp
let a thousand flowers bloom
@ItWasMadeUp
4 hours ago
I think we need both types of NS org – ones like Jacobs and one’s like Mark’s. Best of both worlds.
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
@Carlota
originally it was, the left first became environmentalists in the seventies
ToffeeL10
4 hours ago
Notice Tommy has been encouraging people not to wear masks at his upcoming demo. Wants people to doxx themselves in my opinion.
Reclaim
4 hours ago
wind-breaker nationalism o/
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
@vengeance
thanks to you for stopping by
@vengeance
4 hours ago
cant tune in just wanted to say thanks to mark and patriotic alternative
Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
He’s a real life hero
ToffeeL10
4 hours ago
@Charles
Dr Duke is the absolute GOAT 😎
Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
Yes typically its attractive people who gravitate to our points
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
@Carlota
this is their real religion
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
@Charles
indeed, he go elected as well
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
they all seem to be good looking guys
Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
Duke was a very well spoken, articulate, handsome and reasonable man which appealed to normie Whites
@BlackwaterPark
4 hours ago
Need to found a group called “Australian Chad Males”.
Jagdeep Jano
4 hours ago
$5.00
Jacob, I think Tom might’ve discussed this the other week – will you set up some way for people outside Australia to donate to your organisation?
Norman
4 hours ago
The order of the nine Uncles 🙂
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
We are the good guys
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
Satanism is absolutely wrong
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
@Charles
I like ythe conversation in the chat and you can learn a lot
Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
@TheThinRedLine
I appreciate you responding to my comment
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
@Charles
true
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
When the leadership begin killing each other itis a bit of a problem
Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
@TheThinRedLine
Yes they aren’t doing us any favors
@Bluenose
4 hours ago
Who was the jogger that was saluting behind Jacob when he gave a statement at the courthouse. Was he charged with doing that?
The Crucible 01
4 hours ago
@Lampshade_Denier
exactly
Lampshade Denier
4 hours ago
@TheCrucible01
He’s too busy criticizing the men who actually do something.
Arab Social Nationalist
4 hours ago
Feds and children doing Satanism in the woods
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
@Charles
very wise
Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
We have high standards and filter out the wacko morons
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
@LanesHasGains
good thanks
The Crucible 01
4 hours ago
@UltimateTruth
then by all means start your own organization and run it the way you want it
Arab Social Nationalist
4 hours ago
$8.80
Jacob: I congratulate you for sticking to National Socialism, a worldview which is objectively true, despite the squeamishness, embarrassment and pearl-clutching of less robust nationalist minds. How do you deal with those who reject NS and argue against its relevance to modern White nationalism? \o
@BlackwaterPark
4 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
Does seem to be the case a lot. Lay off booze and porn, get in shape, etc.
@LanesHasGains
4 hours ago
@TheThinRedLine
yes
Lampshade Denier
4 hours ago
@UltimateTruth
No, it doesn’t. People follow strong men.
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
@Lampshade_Denier
lol true
@cheflad
4 hours ago
Joel is really charismatic.
Lampshade Denier
4 hours ago
“milieu”…Joel’s favorite word
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
@Woodlader.4
a good evening to you as well
@cheflad
4 hours ago
young people are the most threatened by Multiculturalism, look at the ADF vote in Germany, very popular with 18 to 25yr olds.
the woodlander
4 hours ago
@TheThinRedLine
evening mate
@BlackwaterPark
4 hours ago
@ArabSocialNationalist
Hey ASN. Are you on Twitter nowadays?
Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
I get dissapointed when we get dropouts.
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
Hardcore Aussie
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
Hello Folks
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
$5.00
NS network is that the same as the organisation that Thomas Sewell, Joel Davis and Blair Cotrell are members of ?
ToffeeL10
4 hours ago
@BlackwaterPark
it should be a priority for all white Nationalists across the globe
@ItWasMadeUp
4 hours ago
I think it takes all sorts. Some orgs appeal to certain people, other approaches work better with others – let everyone do it their way, see what sticks.
@BlackwaterPark
4 hours ago
@ToffeeL10
Having someone like Blair Cottrell in their movement probably got them to make fitness a priority.
Chief Moody
4 hours ago
Evening troops
Lampshade Denier
4 hours ago
@TheThinRedLine
I adore the Aussie chads.
@UltimateTruth
4 hours ago
Sewell’s group come across as Hollywood-style Nazis. Clownish and counterproductive. That’s just what the Jewish establishment likes to see. It puts off intelligent, high-value folk
ToffeeL10
4 hours ago
I’ve noticed the Aussie Nationalists tend to be in good shape 💪a lot of British Nationalists need to exercise more
The Crucible 01
4 hours ago
Joel has changed a lot since the last he was on with mark, lol
ThinRedLine
4 hours ago
I like the Aussies
Arab Social Nationalist
4 hours ago
It’s almost as if the liberals are the authoritarians
@ItWasMadeUp
4 hours ago
o/
Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
In USA it might be a felony eventually to say White Lives Matter
Adamic Flesh
4 hours ago
^ this
ToffeeL10
4 hours ago
it’s just playing in to our enemies hands throwing up the Romans, it won’t bring more white people on to our side.
@BritishGammon
4 hours ago
o/ (just waving to you all in the distance)
DerCherusker
4 hours ago
$5.00
The awakening is on the rise. All the best and all the support to all national-revolutionary comrades, keep on fighting and never give in. “Der Kampf ist der Vater aller Dinge”/”Struggle is the father of all things.”
@LanesHasGains
4 hours ago
it says Joel not Jacob
@MarkCollett
@ItWasMadeUp
4 hours ago
$20.00
Great guest – Jacob is very knowledgeable and speaks so well, he’s a great advocate for our people. It’s awful the way a so-called liberal ‘democracy’ is persecuting him for his political beliefs.
@Kronos
4 hours ago
$15.00
This may be something that you may have covered during the talk, but I am under the firm belief that to ensure our survival we must all unite, not be separate as American, European and Australian but as a people under attack.
@Shlomophobe
4 hours ago
$5.00
Throwing you a salute at the forbidden angle o/
@noreplacement
4 hours ago
🙋♂️
Arab Social Nationalist
4 hours ago
@Aunt-Sally
Hello! Will I be seeing you this weekend?
Jagdeep Jano
4 hours ago
$5.00
Jacob is great, would be nice to see him on more of Joel and Blair’s streams, really enjoyed the last one. PS – Jacob looks like Mark’s little brother, or son
SuzyWaffen
4 hours ago
Hit the fire button, guys!
@Aunt-Sally
4 hours ago
@ArabSocialNationalist
Hello you
spencer
4 hours ago
it says Joel not Jacob, on the stream
@MarkCollett
spencer
4 hours ago
o/ ⚡️⚡️🫡🫡🤝🤝
Eagle Pax Max
4 hours ago
Hello Chat
nonexistent
4 hours ago
o/
Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
European people worldwide must be the best if they feel the need to constantly attack us. It’s not our fault their countries suck compared to ours.
@Aunt-Sally
4 hours ago
Evening folks, am off to an exercise class and will watch on catch up 🤗
Arab Social Nationalist
4 hours ago
Greetings goyim \o
@Cripticpickle
4 hours ago
heil o/
@Glen19
4 hours ago
The child brides is to keep the caste system together. lots of arranged marriages
Lampshade Denier
4 hours ago
@Glen19
Go to Australia and do better. Otherwise, STFU.
Ethno Nationalist
4 hours ago
Hail Jacob Hail Victory to NSN o/
@noreplacement
4 hours ago
Heil Jacob
Lampshade Denier
4 hours ago
Jacob is the man!!!!
Jon Snow
4 hours ago
HAIL JACOB HAIL NSN o/
DerCherusker
4 hours ago
Hail!
@Glen19
4 hours ago
Is he going to get Collett in jail? Sewell’s group are more like Hollywood Nazis
The Resident Baker
4 hours ago
Good evening everyone
the woodlander
4 hours ago
@EnglishRose
hi rose
the woodlander
4 hours ago
@RoryHerbert
evening rory
@EnglishRose
4 hours ago
Hello🍂
@RoryHerbert
4 hours ago
Good evening folks.
@Amalek61
4 hours ago
Hello
@Ihtultu
4 hours ago
Good evening everyone.
Ethno Nationalist
4 hours ago
Good evening our Folk 1488 o/
Stature of the Gods
4 hours ago
hello all
the woodlander
4 hours ago
lots of trees, lots of rain… dodgy signal tonight
Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
We will survive and thrive better then ever
Parken
4 hours ago
Good evening
@SammichLubber
4 hours ago
Hello my fellow indigenous Europeans.
@Amalek61
4 hours ago
Hello Mark
@SerenaJB
4 hours ago
Good evening.
Chuck Gerety
4 hours ago
USA is set for total destruction however the saving White Pill is that a unified,powerful, healthy and racially aware White ethnostate will arise afterwards
@dsallen7
5 hours ago
$15.00
As an American, I feel like Australia is more openly oppressive and tyrannical, in the “hard power” sense, than the US. Maybe it’s because White Australians still have a stronger and more cohesive ethnic identity than US Whites. Whatever the case, I wish Jacob the best in fighting this evil.
@ItWasMadeUp
6 hours ago
Great guest!
Open Borders for Israel
9 hours ago
$5.00
hail jacob! a true aussie nationalist! Mark – like everywhere else in the West, the Jewish lobby is incredibly powerful here, play both sides of politics…brentan sanderson writes great articles on the jewish war on white Australia at the occidental observer…
@filled_soda
17 hours ago
Jacob had me laughing out loud recently on Joel’s show, talking about “Hard c*nt” energy.
SteveOfWessex WP Sports
1 day ago
Jacob Hersant did nothing wrong o/
SteveOfWessex WP Sports
1 day ago
Hail
@MarkCollett
& chat o//
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