[Horus — who was the co-host with Simon Harris on the European Freedom YouTube channel — Shazia Hobbs, and Nick Cotton (Unwashed) host a tribute to Simon who suddenly passed away, aged just 60, on Thu, May 21 (I believe) from the coronavirus. Nineteen guests appear on the stream to give their condolences and share their memories of Simon.
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A Tribute to
May 26, 2020
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Published on May 26, 2020
Shazia Hobbs, Unwashed and I host a tribute to Simon Harris with many guests.
For any donations to help Simon’s family, please see here. Exchange rate – approx 84 KR to 10 GBP – https://www.gofundme.com/f/a-wreath-f…
Simon’s site – https://www.europeanfreedom.com/
YouTube – https://www.youtube.com/user/spainfoo…
BitChute – https://www.bitchute.com/channel/simo…
Shazia – https://dreamingofsunshinesite.wordpr… / https://www.bitchute.com/channel/zMwi… / https://t.me/ShaziaH / https://gab.com/Shazia
Unwashed – https://www.vilemedia.co.uk/ / https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQXb… / https://dlive.tv/UNWAShED / https://twitter.com/ed_unwa
Horus – https://www.bitchute.com/channel/mOmf… / https://twitter.com/nastymutant / https://t.me/WarmasterHorus
White Art Collective – https://www.whiteartcollective.com/ / https://twitter.com/WhiteCollective / https://t.me/wacannounce
Laura Towler – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRWR… / https://twitter.com/thisislaurat / https://t.me/lauratowler
Jared George (The Great Order) – https://thegreatorder.com / https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQec… / https://twitter.com/TheGreatOrderIs / https://t.me/thegreatorder
Secret Sources – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh6v… / https://www.bitchute.com/channel/4eYj… / https://twitter.com/dionne4210 / https://t.me/secretsources
Gearóid Murphy – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRdu… / https://twitter.com/gearoidmurphy_ / https://t.me/gearmurphy
Keith Woods – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGe8… / https://www.bitchute.com/channel/m3ln… / https://twitter.com/KeithWoodsYT / https://t.me/keith_woods
Alison Chabloz – https://alisonchabloz.com/ / https://www.bitchute.com/channel/TMPI…
Mark Collett – http://www.thefallofwesternman.com/ / https://www.youtube.com/user/mark318i / https://www.bitchute.com/channel/mark… / https://twitter.com/MarkACollett / https://t.me/markacollett
Saint Harrison – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_9b… / https://www.bitchute.com/channel/uvBY… / https://t.me/saintharrison
Ralph Masilamani – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5ae… / https://twitter.com/reaction_right
The Iconoclast – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClJ8… / https://www.bitchute.com/channel/1Oh7… / https://t.me/theiconoclast
Ayatollah (representing TASOB) – https://www.spreaker.com/show/the-abs… / https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQhg… / https://twitter.com/GhostofTollah
Morgoth – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzIe… / https://www.bitchute.com/channel/33WK… / https://twitter.com/LivesMorgoth
Jack Hwite – https://soundcloud.com/jackhwite / https://www.bitchute.com/channel/6NgV… / https://twitter.com/JackHwite
YouKipper – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1wm… / https://www.bitchute.com/channel/d2RD… / https://twitter.com/YouKipperLad
Chris (Patriotic Talk) – https://dlive.tv/PatrioticTalk / https://www.bitchute.com/channel/9lNl… / https://twitter.com/PatrioticTalk14
Jacktion – https://twitter.com/JacktionYT / https://www.youtube.com/user/titan2019
Jason Köhne (No White Guilt) – https://nowhiteguilt.org/ / https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkY8… / https://www.spreaker.com/user/nowhite… / https://theafterparty.tv/ / https://www.instagram.com/nowhiteguil…
Hiraeth – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLjM… / https://soundcloud.com/hiraeth-music-… / https://twitter.com/HiraethMusic9 / https://hiraeth9.bandcamp.com/
Shazia, Nick Cotton (Unwashed) & Horus
Horus: We should now be live. I hope everyone can hear us. And right. So by Horus and I’m here with Unwashed [Nick Cotton] and Shazia Hobbs. And this is the tribute stream for our dear friend Simon Harris. And I’m sure everyone knows by now that he passed on last week. Which is terribly sad and a horrible shock as well. It came out of nowhere. And I miss him terribly already.
And the first question that he and I always used to discuss on our show, European Freedom — which Nick was a co-host on for some time — was:
“What did we have for dinner?”
I had fish and chips for dinner tonight. Shazia, what did you have for dinner?
Shazia: I had a salad. I haven’t got much of an appetite at the moment.
Horus: And Nick.
Nick: Likewise. Not very hungry, so I had cheese on toast. Yeah, not much of an appetite for some reason. Keep to tradition, yeah! Did you enjo your dinner?
Horus: It was lovely. I hope nobody finds this a trite beginning, but this was a tradition with me and Simon. And yeah, like a lot of things, you know, I’m going to try and keep. A lot of things going. Like the thing that Simon mentioned as soon as we started doing our Horus and Harris show was that we were both bookish types. And I really appreciated that he noticed that, because I love reading books. And he was a man who not only read a lot, but he also produced books. And one very lovely thing that he did, was he sent me a copy of his version of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion for Christmas, which I have not read yet. But I’m looking forward to.
And one thing that I’m gonna miss about him a great deal is discussing books and learning in general. And I was watching, one of our guests tonight is gonna be Jared George. And No White Guilt. And I watching the stream that Simon did with them. I think it’s called “Red Pill Machine — Simon Harris”. And every time I hear the man’s voice I think of him very fondly.
Shazia, I know you’ve been very upset in the last few days. Is there anything you just want to say about Simon before we start introducing guests?
Shazia: That is something I was going [words unclear] I just know I’ll end up bubbling [words unclear] Now I just want to say a big thank you to the entire community, you know, everybody’s devastated [words unclear] Simon passing and I just wanted to [words unclear]
Horus: I think anyone who wants to learn a bit more about Shazzer and Simon’s relationship as well, you could watch a video from about middle of last year where I can’t remember the name, but the thumbnail is a picture of Shazia with tape over her mouth. And it was about the sort of divergence, and then convergence, of their routes through Counter Jihad, and then on to fuller ethnic nationalism. And sort of, yeah, the similarities of what they went through and where they arrived.
And I would also just agree that people have put out lovely things. I’ve not put out my own tribute, or anything, to Simon. I hope this stream partly functions as that.
But I think people have responded with great taste and affection, especially I think Ayatollah put out an absolutely brilliant tribute to Simon almost as soon as he heard the news. It’s just a testament to his ability with words and obviously the respect and the affection he had for Simon. Lovely to see. I mean, Keith Woods put out a great video. So did Jared George. So did l ots of people, Dionne. And we are all hit by tragedy, but it’s also heartwarming to see these things.
So Nick. Is there anything you want to say about the last few days, about Simon?
Nick: Yeah. I wonder if I’m in the same boat as you, where I found it hard to sum it up in a little status, or a short video. So I’ve just been sharing other people’s, because they’ve done a really good job of it.
I feel like I was really late to the Simon Harris train. But I got fully, fully, onboard! Still not even sure why he invited me to be a co-host on EF [European Freedom] for the first few weeks, because like I’m not as bookish as you guys! I really felt like I had to keep up. I felt like I was sort of in the presence of giants! [chuckling] But he was just the nicest man wasn’t he? The way he tackled every situation seemed to be measured, but he was also hilarious. We clicked on so many levels. And yeah, he was definitely my best 60 year old friend, at this point. Well, we’ll carry the torch forward won’t we? Like it was always obvious that this Tuesday show was gonna continue.
Horus: This is something I never anticipated making friends with people of the older generation, especially as so many of our generation like to disparage people as boomers. And obviously they are the baby boomer generation. But to speak of them so disparaging. I don’t think there was anything about Simon that fitted with all that really! He was someone who absolutely did care about the state of the world, and where our society was going.
And he, well I think he welcomed you on to the show, just, because he saw, just quality in you, and energy! And it’s just a great person to talk to. So it made sense to me immediately. And we made a good trio.
But yeah, I mean, for my part, I think I’ve said this when I was stream. But I said this to Simon as well. I was very happy to. Last summer I made that video called “Against Brian and Avi” in July. And that was related to Shazia and Dionne being expelled from the TR [Tommy Robinson] movement. I didn’t know if Simon having been in the similar position at that point. He seized on it immediately and just promoted it all over Twitter, and so on. And as did a few other big YouTubers. And Simon then promoted everything else that did, everything! And he was a kindred spirit. And I love that! [chuckling]
It’s just, I can’t, the reason I can’t really write a tribute at least at the moment is just, I’ve got very simple feelings towards it, that I can’t really make, I can’t really elaborate upon. I just think he was a sound fellow! And a curious, and interesting, and intelligent fellow! And that’s about all that comes to mind, you know, I just think of him as a good man. Which makes it all the more sorrowful that he just suddenly — suddenly died. But, I think, the huge collection of people who were keen to show love and respect for him tonight, just speaks for itself really.
And everyone watching the video, you can see in the description box the list of people that are coming up. And the first guest here we have on, I believe the founder of White Art Collective, is Jeff Winston, who is joining us. Now and Jeff you were along with Nick the guest on the last show of European Freedom. The last person Simon invited on on. And welcome to this tribute stream. I hope you doing alright.
Jeff Winston (White Art Collective)
Jeff Winston: Yeah thank you guys very much for having me. Can you hear me alright?
Horus: Yeah you’re great.
Jeff Winston: Yeah, cool. Yeah I’m honored that you asked to have me on. That last stream that we did last Tuesday, I would never imagined that we would be doing this, this week. But yeah, I didn’t know well Simon, as well as a lot of people did. But I immediately was struck by just his good nature.
And I think I started talking with him about a month ago. And we were talking about music and he was saying that, everything before [after?] 1995 was rubbish! [chuckling] And I think that’s, I was like, yeah no lie detected, I think that’s a pretty true statement. And we were kind of discussing, you know, why that was, particularly. But then he revealed to me that he was a musician and shared that really cool picture of him from his younger days. Kind of looking like a punk rocker with the stiff upper lip kind of thing, going on.
And yeah I’m just I feel lucky that I was able to get on, because we were kind of, we’re like, hey let’s collaborate, we want to bring the cultural and the political wings together. And we were both very much about that. And so I feel lucky that I was able to come on last week, just before he passed. And we were able to, … I think that was a very productive conversation.
And I had a number of people tell me that was the best appearance I’ve ever had on anything. And I think it had a lot to do with the host, you guys, of course. But also Simon, the way the conversation was framed. He was a true gentleman as everyone has been saying. And just a curious soul. And he had a way of cutting through the BS, kind of a straight shooter which is something I very much appreciate, and the world needs more of that.
Horus: Absolutely was a straight-shooter! About the way that he would make conversations is interesting. Because every week he sent out show notes and you can tell that he thought about what was gonna make this interesting. So:
“I’m not just putting on a stream, just to have a stream. Let’s get something out of this!”
And that was one great thing about it. And there’s was always particular things he wanted to discuss. If anything we wouldn’t always finish everything, because it’s like:
“Well I want to cover this as well.”
About that photo of him onstage, I assumed that was from before 1995 wasn’t it? [chuckling] It must have been right?
Jeff Winston: Yeah, I think that was from, I think that was probably back from the 80s. It had an 80s look to it. But yeah, it was really cool, he’s looking like a rock star there! And I think he’s gonna be remembered like a rock star!
Horus: Yeah. And I would say there was a detectable “punkish” edge to his to his attitude, wasn’t there? Would you guys agree with that, Nick, Shazia?
Nick: I mean, totally! Look what’s happening right now and I always like drawing these parallels about how we’re a subculture. And we’ve lost one of our own that’s really important to us. And just look at the tribute lineup that we’ve got! Okay, technically, it’s not a gig, but seriously look at that list of names. It functions in exactly the same way.
And yes! He was a punk, or even though, I mean, Jeff it might be fun to talk about his sort of ideas, that he drove forth on Tuesday. How we need to reject the teenager, and how Punk is dead! It was some really interesting stuff that we ended up talking about last week.
Jeff Winston: Yeah, and don’t say “counterculture”, all, right? He’s specifically said, …
Nick: Yes! [chuckling]
Jeff Winston: Yeah! But what also is cool, … So I hadn’t, I wonder if anybody has any of the footage, or audio of any of that band from earlier? I don’t know if anybody has any of that, but I’d love to hear some of it. I did, someone did send me the links, so I know he’d played in more recently. He had a couple songs. He did a cover tune by Ace, I can’t remember the name of that song off the top of my head, but that’s a really cool tune. Very nice cover by Simon. And then he had an original tune called “Love is a River”. And I’ve listened to that a few times. And he said he wrote that one back in 89. But it was cool. It kind of had a little bit of a, … What he had told me in our conversation about a month ago was like, he kind of ended up getting into like jazz, you know, kind of blue-eyed soul kind of stuff.
But he also liked reggae, obviously, definitely, some punk in there as well. And funny how those things kind of do make an interesting mix. But that song that he did, it kind of had a little bit, almost also a little bit of like maybe flamenco-ish kind of thing going on. But yeah, really nice tune. And I love the message that he was sending there. I think it’s, you know, he was just all about positivity and Romanticism. He’s basically in the intro to that song he was saying, you know, sometimes you got a stop and just appreciate things, and do the romantic love thing. And I think he’s left a great message for everybody to try to emulate.
Horus: For me, I’ve had a lot of people come to me the last few days saying:
“I know how close you were to him.”
But, I must admit some ignorant. So I don’t know that much about his musical side. I mean, he was a great friend, you know, I wish I’d met him in real life! But I pretty much always engaged with him just about historical matters, and matters of power and stuff like that. The sort thing that I go to, it probably shows how self-centered I am! [chuckling]
Just yesterday I saw someone had shared a clip of him singing on the acoustic guitar, like what you mentioned Jeff. And I’ve never heard that before. And there’s loads of other videos, and loads of things that he did that I’ve not seen. So I’m, you know, I’m hoping his YouTube channel will stay up for a while. Because there’s loads of things that I’ll discover as I go back and watch and go through his stuff. And yeah, …
Jeff Winston: I think that song just in case anybody, just in case something did happen to his channel, I just downloaded it just in case, just for preservation, because I don’t know how those things go.
Horus: Yeah. I mean, you know, I’ve downloaded all the episodes of European Freedom that we did. But he’s got years of videos going back. And yeah, I mean, I hardly know anything about it’s creative side, so I’ll enjoy going through that, with some sadness, I suppose.
Nick: I’ll plug the mixtape that he left for us. I asked him to do us a mixtape last week, and he got me the playlist in time. And so shall we have, I think it’s 15 of his favorite songs? So I’ve posted the link in there. And this really good stuff! It’s really good.
Horus: Name a few of the hands that were on that?
Nick: It’s all post-punk. It’s Gang of Four, Public Image Limited, Susie and the Banshees. What else is on there? Magazine, Wire. Do, you know, any of these? I really like this stuff, yeah.
Horus: Was he a fan of The Jam?
Nick: All that kind of stuff, yeah! Post-punk, and yeah, because I leapt out my skin when I did my first interview with him, and he said he was 18 in 1977! And I was like:
“Oh! That was an important year! Tell me more!”
Horus: Was he at that gig in Manchester? [chuckling]
Nick: Not that one. But he said that it was tiny. And everyone assumes that it was massive, but it wasn’t. It was just a few people. But he was there!
Horus: Way of the World asked in the chat:
“Have we got the picture that was mentioned before?”
My answer to Way of the World is I’m absolutely basic. I’ve got it on my screen on Twitter. I don’t know much about sharing things. Let me try and share my screen. Is that showing? I’m sorry about this everyone, it’s very unprofessional. Can you see that? Can anyone see that?
Nick: Afraid not, my man! If you send me the link I can try and share screen in the private chat.
Horus: Will do. I’m bloody hopeless with all of this! It’s just a picture on Twitter. Okay I’ll send you it.
Shazia: [words unclear] onto BitChute.
Horus: Oh terrific! Okay well done BBJ. Yeah that will help publicize that.
Nick: You should be able to add it into the conversation. Now look at that! That’s great, isn’t it! [chuckling]
Horus: It’s kind of a snarl, but he doesn’t look like a asshole, you know! It’s brilliant.
Nick: He’s only an asshole when he needed to be! [chuckling]
Horus: I’m sure he, … I bet if anyone took against his family he would be a tiger! Sorry Shazia. Did I talk over you there?
Shazia: [words unclear] just saying he was an arsehole to people that deserved it.
Horus: I bet! What I’m gonna do, as we’ve got loads of guests coming on and they will sort of overlap. So Jeff you can stay on as long as you want. But obviously once we get to six we’re full and you will have to make way for the next person. So just drop out when it suits you really.
Jeff Winston: Okay, yeah actually I’m probably gonna drop, because I’m in the middle my workday over here.
Horus: Of course!
Jeff Winston: On this side of the pond. But guys, it’s an honour you having me on here. I think Simon was a great man. I’m a lot more affected by it than I would ever think I would be. It sucks when we lose one of the good ones. And I think a lot of people feel it. So, …
Horus: It really does. An extra big thanks for coming on while you’re at work. And I hope to speak to you again soon. And whatever we can work on together, I look forward to that, mate.
Jeff Winston: Absolutely! And condolences to his family and his friends, and just the broader community. Guys, everyone have a good one.
Horus: Cheers Jeff. Thanks a lot.
Horus: I’m now going to welcome on, I was going to welcome on Laura. Oh, here we go! [chuckling] I couldn’t see you there Laura. Hello, welcome to the stream!
Laura Towler: Hello how’s it going?
Horus: I’m doing all right. I’m a bit croaky. How are you doing?
Laura Towler: Yeah I’m okay. It’s been a crazy week, or so, hasn’t it I think everyone’s really kind of being hit by it a lot harder than they thought that they would be. So yeah, I’m okay. I mean, I’m glad that we have the community and that we can support each everyone we can be there for each other sorry. But yeah, it’s obviously not the nicest dream to do is?
Horus: It’s not. And I’m not the best host for it either. But with the help of great guests like you and with co-hosts Nick and Shazia we will make you through! I can’t promise anything great. I’m so much more nervous being the host, than a guest, I’m sure everyone can tell. But, yeah, thank you for coming on.
Laura Towler: You are doing fine! It is difficult hosting isn’t it? You think when it went act on a couple on my channel I’ve always been like oh you’ve got to watch everything and you’ve got all the interface around the back and stuff. But yeah, you’re doing great so don’t worry yeah,
Horus: So I haven’t prepared questions for everyone. So I’m sure that shows as well. But I just if you’ve got any thoughts about something that you want to share.
Laura Towler: Yeah, so obviously Simon’s book our conference the Patriotic Alternative conference in March and he couldn’t actually make it to the event, because of the lockdown in Spain which was a shame I mean, it’s gotten really, because that was maybe the last chance that we had to meet him and it was canceled, because of the coronavirus lockdown so it obviously he spoke and his speech was very well-received people seem to really love that, but it’s just that what if, you know, I wish we had the opportunity to meet him that day and I know he was very excited about speaking and I think he was Mark might mention this letter one actually.
But I think he was planning on coming to the next conference as well which would take place in autumn if this year and then another thing as well is that he actually invited me on Jasha and the show that you guys do with him and I had not internet at the time, because I just moved house and he was like ah no worries. Well, we’ll rearrange it for another week and then obviously we didn’t get to rearrange that so I never got to stream with um Eva which is a shame.
But yeah, I just Simon reminds me of my dad and just his mannerisms he’s very thoughtful I think and very kind of well-spoken and he’s somebody if I could say one trait about him it would be he is somebody who jest the truth and it’s difficult for people I think to change their mind about things in private but for him to do that so publicly and to move over did he start from the Left and then it was the Counter Jihad movement wasn’t it and then he moved over to real nationalism to do that publicly I think that requires balls and he was very brave person for doing that so those are my thoughts.
Horus: It’s absolutely true shows it did you want to add something?
Shazia: Yeah before though it takes balls to do that to do that so publicly to be a lefty was honestly and then to come to the claims of jihad movement and then, you know, so publicly he spoke about that lots of times that he became diseas’d when he went down that rabbit hole they
Horus: Did he made a point of admitting that several times he got “Jewish Question derangement“.
Nick: Not the only one in your own, because his term don’t the only nice to have him there to guide us through.
Shazia: That thing the path, you know, he’s gone and that John mean I was obviously behind on I mean, everything Hornets about that I mean, when you knock them onto that path it was like okay I mean, not these didn’t possibly flatmates in.
Horus: And obviously that arrangement as he refers to it also produced some really good books which people are still gonna be reading for a long time as well, but from his publishing activities one thing that’s was sorry that he’s not really relevant to you Laura but specifically I mean, M was there was a book that he wanted to publish but could never agree, make an agreement with the also it was about the Stephen Lawrence affair and I’ve read it pretty I don’t know if it’s in the finished form that I read it, but it was a absolutely earth-shattering book! As far as I’m concerned I really hope it gets published so there’s nothing I can do about it. I’ve got no contact with the author but he was yes Simon wanted to publish his book and it could have changed the whole country I mean, when it does come out I presume it will in some form it’ll be a very important book. And so yeah, I mean, that that absolutely proves was one of many things that proves what a truth seeker he was and yeah he wanted people to know why we’re in the state were in. And yeah, I mean, everyone seems to have acknowledged it once needs to recognize that volume that he was on he wanted to figure out the world. And yeah, I love their bone.
Laura Towler: Last them conversation that I had with him was on Wednesday and he passed away on Thursday [May 21, 2020] and then we all found out about it on Friday. And he it was in the one of the public want they’re not but what is it kinda like a private DM groupoid can be invited on Telegram and he told us that he felt unwell and I asked him what his symptoms were, because my dad has had the coronavirus he said it was the most sick that he’s ever been in his entire life and he tell me what symptoms are and then I just said have you got somebody to look after you and he was like are my mommy sees we’ll be back tomorrow and she’ll look after me that was the last time I spoke to him and I know it’s them, you know, daft saying something in hindsight. But I really wish I elaborated and just I don’t know maybe said some more something else to him, because I just kind of said, you know, um you’ve got someone to look after you that’s fine but what was I gonna say I think what I uploaded the video of him playing guitar to my YouTube channel and the comments underneath if anyone wants to go read them they’re just so lovely and so many people are saying, you know, my never actually spoke to him. But I felt like I could relate to him and I felt like I knew him and lots of people are telling me that that there’s been crying about it in things and even people who didn’t know him personally. And I think that’s a testimony ray litter the impact that he had on the community when he can relate to somebody like that. And it’s not just a voice when it’s actually a person and you get to know them it’s hard to lose him.
Horus: And you mentioned them I’m sort of, by the way, Unwashed I’m sorry I just kicked you by accident I was lost trying to do something else to come back about the conference speech like when he made that speech he couldn’t hear us all I think he said afterwards he wasn’t even sure that everyone could hear what he was saying and yeah he had no sound coming from Aaron but he delivered his speech as though he could and it was superb and it just it’s kind of a natural performer maybe it’s just came over.
Laura Towler: I did not know that he couldn’t hear here, because obviously there were a few laughs and a few claps and stuff and it’s a shame they didn’t get to hear them and I guess I don’t know he will send the audio I think wasn’t it so hopefully that they will I don’t know if they’ll be picked up on the audio. But I think a lot of us told him that he was very well-received. So I hope that he does know that I think you did know that.
Horus: I made short selling off the conference that it was as though you were there right it was as though you could hear us and everything, you know, because he seemed to pause whenever we clapped and laughed and stuff so he did brilliantly you just didn’t know it at the time yeah, it was terrific. So I’m gonna introduce your next guest as I said, before Laura you don’t need to leave yet, you’re free to leave whenever you want but I’m bring on our guest now which is Jared. And this is any last thing you want to say?
Laura Towler: And I will get off actually, because I have another stream at 8 o’clock and but I just wanted to say that one thing that we can take from this is that we should take that that flag, or that banner from Simon now and take off the burden that he was carrying and continue his journey and he start the truth so it’s up to us to continue to do with that and to spread it to as many people as possible. So that’s what I’d like to say going forward but thanks very much for organizing this. And I also thank you for inviting me to speak. It’s a big honor.
Horus: Well said. And thank you Laura as well.
Laura Towler: See you soon.
Horus: I say soon hey all right I will now bring on Jared George of The Great Order. Hello Jared.
Jared George (The Great Order)
Jared George: Hello I mean,
Horus: Sorry I’m talking of you it please.
Jared George: No it’s quite all right and it’s good to speak to you and dashes here nice to meet you, so to speak, I wish it could be under better circumstances and Nick, of course, speaking again thank you all as Laura said for organizing this I think Simon would be very pleased I think he is very pleased somehow seeing this outpouring of love for him well deserved, because of who he was and what he did for everyone.
Horus: I like to think that he’s enjoying this and I’ve no idea really what comes in the afterlife but this is so very nice thought, you know, it’s a thing that he knows how, you know, loved and marty was.
Jared George: I think so.
Horus: And I know, you know, your tribute video was excellent as well. I really enjoyed recommend everyone what’s fair oh.
Nick: Yeah the same thing it was really touching.
Jared George: Thank you. Yeah it seems a lot of people we all see the same things in him I’d like to tell you guys were saying before how he was a straight shooter very much was and but then you also spoke about his songwriting and his Romantic side. And it’s always fascinating when someone can combine a couple of different traits that sometimes could be at odds and really harmonizes them especially someone a bit older than some of us, it’s a good, you know, it could provide a good role model.
But he definitely hit these interesting balances in a few different ways and you guys speaking, you know, listening before I came on it reminded me of another one this straight shooter and the on one hand. And yet also being a Romantic on the other hand, you know, I spoke in the video briefly about how he was had a sharp mind but at the same time didn’t have any pretense and again sometimes it’s hard for people to get that balance right sometimes they’re skewed more towards one way, or the other. But he really, when you sit back and think about it, he really did have this amazing panoply of traits, or collection of traits and that were harmonized so well. And I think that’s what gave him that gravitas, that charisma and why we’re all rallying around him like this right now.
Horus: Maybe just to compliment that I see a comment from a Vigilante Jesus in the chat and says it’s a quote from Simon saying let’s knock away at the foundations we need to make forays into enemy territory we need bands of braved with an incredible courage we can beat them what if that might be from the stream that you did with him you and Jason to him.
Jared George: I don’t say I recognize it offhand we did have some great conversations with him recently on our show the second to last one, because we did two with him pretty back almost back to back a couple weeks apart in early April, because we caught up with him first and then soon after he had the Nick Griffin interview and we wanted to get him right back on to talk about that that you guys had done it was interesting but when we did the first one I think was on April 4th it was a lot about his daughter Jason’s clip included a little bit from that show and how he publicly spoke about reconnecting with his daughter. And he was able to not only pick up where he left off with her and have that great bond, you know, he was just glow when he spoke about her. But he also began to awaken her even though she’s still in the university system I think she’s in her mid-20s I don’t know if she’s doing graduate work now. But he was able he’s able to bring her over in a short amount of time to a lot of our perspectives. And when we asked him how he did it the first thing he began to talk about was love he loved her he loves his people he obviously loves life itself and that’s what we’re celebrating here and what reverberates throughout what everyone’s saying. And we have to remember that he was motivated by love and I said this in the video he was from Nottingham and he talked about first time we spoke way back he talked about how he was from the land of Robin Hood. And that means something to me too. And I said in the video and I’ll say for anyone here who might not have seen it that he did carry that spirit of the merit men that you have you hold a song in your heart even amidst trying circumstances you’re gonna have ups and downs on your journey, you know, even amidst those tough times [35:00] you keep a song in your heart that is an archetype. And that is something Simon embodied that we really all do well to remember in this thing, because everything that we’re involved in, you know, it’s a marathon it’s not a sprint. And there’s going to be ups and downs and Simon is so such an amazing example for all of us to keep in our minds and hearts going forward forever now in all of our lives in this.
Horus: You say you go some connection with knowing them as well.
Jared George: Oh I’m with rotting in the sense of Ryan this is the man means something to me yeah not to this place specifically though.
Horus: Do you have any British ancestry yourself?
Jared George: Oh I have a little bit from here and there in Europe. But I ought to say his hand very connected to very connected yes yeah, so cool oh yeah,
Shazia: I think that’s why we connected surreal mean Simon yeah also Chinese I’m in contact with Simon’s way and I’ve told it about all the tributes Indian pain for Simon so I won’t bother draw it so he’s very, sorry I don’t know if anything was addressed to be I’m having a little trouble hearing Ozzy’s line.
Nick: I was just saying Shaz was saying that she’s passed them your tribute on to Simon’s wife. And I just wonder how it must be for his family to see this wave of tributes just continually coming through YouTube and Twitter hopefully it’s really heartwarming.
Jared George: Well yeah I tremendously appreciate that. Thank you so much I was going to say on the stream I’m, you know, if any of his family members see this stream just to send my love and respects. But the fact that you sent that I that’s a big honor.
Shazia: Thank you and what next the unity aim at different people things and for Simon really approaches will touch trying it.
Jared George: Mmm. Thank you so much.
Horus: Lynx in the Shadows has just put a link in the stream of Simon talking by his daughter and in one of the streams I think I must be one of the ones that he took with you Jarrod is that right looking.
Jared George: Yeah, I think it was the first time you spoke about it publicly about reconnecting with his daughter yeah and amazing in hindsight now it was only happening to I think October, or November of last year. So another reminder that if life is nudging you to do something do it, you know, we don’t know what we have. And I’m sure everyone in their family and his daughter especially is extremely grateful that they reconnected when they did. I’m sure it’s very bittersweet right now. But imagine if they hadn’t and then this happened. So it’s a great blessing that.
Horus: That nothing for sure and it means so many things over the last six months changed for all of us like in terms of movement. And I think one brilliant thing about the show that he and I did was he would just identify almost always the exactly the right guest to bring on who sort of had an idea of the zeitgeist of the movie, because there is a sight guys now whereas I mean, I’d say two years ago I was no part of any movement in any way. I was just a spectator of someone who wanted a movement and didn’t have one and you mentioned the stream that we did with Nick Griffin and one of the most controversial ones that we did a lot of people well took strong sides on either side and it was I mean, it was controversial even to have him on but it was also it seemed important to discuss these things to change ourselves in these ways.
And streams we did with Dangerfield and Iconoclast the son we were discussing, you know what are we as a movement what we try to do at this moment, you know, not just not just talking about over the long term but what we doing at this moment and I think I don’t eat just had a terrific sense of the moment, you know what needs what we need to be thinking about what we need to be talking about which is why it’s extra extra and painful to lose in this.
Jared George: Yeah he had that artist since he had his antenna out and he was always pushing forward that’s why he did the kind of thing you guys did with Nick that he wanted to air out the questions and even go into some, you know, difficult territory he was willing to do that. And yet also had a very long sense of tradition so again combining these different traits a real a real role model and that will live on something we obviously.
Horus: Well said well said I’m gonna introduce now beyond Secret Sources charity welcome to stay on until we get full sort of thing yep, or this, you know, that’s.
Jared George: I’ll give Dionne her time. But again thank you for organizing this and love and honor to Simon and his family and everyone listening again keep them in your mind as a role model and we’ll all talk soon. But thank you so much.
Horus: Thanks very much for coming on Jared.
Jared George: Bye!
Horus: And you are how are you doing?
Dionne Moller (Secret Sources)
Dionne Moller: I’m very well, thank you. Can you hear me okay.
Horus: I can.
Dionne Moller: Great. Thanks. Hello Nick engineer Norris iceberg fishes here this morning before I made that in a stream, or tribute, or whatever it is. I don’t even know what to call it — Simon and I’m sorry I have to gate-crashing this way but something came up at home and I had to go out and I didn’t think I was going to get back in time but hopefully I could so thanks for letting me know Gatecrasher.
Horus: Well um this was your slot and you’ve come on at the perfect moment and I hope everything is what at your and I won’t cry over there. But I hope everything’s right and yeah, and I think your room your tribute this morning was just moving in the most simple and lovely way and it was something for everyone’s human to do at the same time even though we were in our own homes like it’s sort of services something light, because nothing equipments who have a funeral and it was obviously happening at the same time as Thomas real people. So I think that was very rewarding and, you know, part of I guess the healing process moving on protests, or whatever the rights firm, you know, so I think you chose well yeah.
Dionne Moller: Yeah, it was difficult to do well not difficult, because I didn’t actually say anything until the end. But I knew what I was going to say at the end. And when you kind of build yourself up to it I don’t know whether you could hear my voice was shaking so much, because I was crying whilst I was reciting that funeral prayer is a pagan Viking funeral prayer. And I didn’t think I’d be able to get through it without, you know, making a right fool than myself. But I did.
But I was glad it ended I have to say that, because it was hard even though really nothing happened. But I think sometimes, you know, I’ve seen a lot the tributes that are coming out from people. People are just amazing fantastic but oh I don’t know I like a bit of quiet and alike maybe the time to reflect and also the fact that you yesterday were in a bit of a panic, because we wanted to do well she’s Lea found out that Simon was being buried this morning and we couldn’t get a wreath to the place of his funeral on time, because of corona and, because of the lack of notice they couldn’t do it. So I was thinking to myself after I’d spoken to she’s here well then, you know how can we get together. And I think it’s quite apt that it was over the internet, because everything we do really, 99 percent of the time, is over the internet. So I thought that was that so yeah well it turned out like it did and I really turned out okay.
Horus: I think what I’m so wrong oh sorry.
Shazia: You already acquired, by the way, she’ll just if you get to speak to be close.
Horus: To market aful what you did to your name appeared again.
Shazia: And just.
Horus: Hitler me off the game also doing a big credit for saying up the GoFundMe for be able to send tributes sorry field sent some support to — Simon’s family which is [45:02] still going I think and Kari will post that in the chat in a moment. Yeah, and we hope to send a wreath in the first place in week they will go to another use instead for sums for silence wife and daughter I imagine and then.
Dionne Moller: Yeah what well, you know, I’m trying to be as transparent about this GoFundMe for so I was absolutely possible, because when money is involved, you know, I like to have everything clean and clean cut. So yes, the original idea was to be able to send a wreath to Simon’s final resting place. But it turns out that, because Shazia was so fantastic in and you Horus also for getting hold of the number we managed to get hold of Simon’s wife in time and she actually said that she was going to buy flowers from us to put on to Simon’s grave this morning and that if she could she would send the photograph so that wreath all those flowers were actually put on his grave hopefully this morning and, of course, she will be reimbursed fully for that wreath and plus everything all of the money that is left over in that fund. Which at the moment is in British pounds is well over three thousand pounds that’s been donated so far. So people have been a ordinarily generous it is absolutely heartwarming to see. I didn’t expect it but my god I don’t know I’m kind of blown away by it by people’s generosity.
Horus: And about the online element of like you said, you know, it was an online sort of its sort of equivalent to a funeral they did this morning like really good this what we were I’m as far as I know, none of this shows it you met him in real life is that right.
Shazia: I didn’t I was supposed to meet and I canceled went to that theme and then obviously I was looking forward to me in the market in a foreign land so no I didn’t I don’t meet um and that’s what I find really strange that I have this much sadness for my mind that I never made, you know, I just knew on writing like so many other.
Horus: You didn’t cancel the 2007 anything, because you were scared to me.
Shazia: Integer serious reason it’s.
Horus: Not as scary but imagine if he gave someone a proper tongue lashing he could be quite scary but usually in a well-meaning kind of way. But it’s not this is generally a friendly chap, wasn’t he?
Shazia: [words unclear]
Horus: I mean, I said earlier. But I mean, that all I ever knew from him was support I mean, it was literally from the moment I made my first interesting video till the day he died it was just constant support and encouragement and friendliness. And I think I haven’t really accepted I’m sure others feel like this is what I’m really accepted that he’s gone yet doesn’t really seem where but uh. Well, we’ll do our best to get used to it bit by bit I suppose.
Dionne Moller: That’s the thing with sudden death Horus, you know, if my mum she was ill with cancer for very long time before she died. So I think psychologically you kind of say to yourself well at some point, you know, my mother, or whoever it is, is going to die and you kind of get used to that idea. But when somebody dies suddenly and unexpectedly it comes with such a blow and that you find that people react in different ways.
I’ve read people’s comments. Laura Towler who was just on right now, you know, said herself she wishes that she could have probed deeper into how Simon was feeling that night. And this is a very natural thing to do to kind of blame yourself for something [50:01] that you could couldn’t possibly have any control over, because it’s one of them making mechanisms that we have to cope with the fact that we’ve lost somebody that we know, and liked, and respected, unexpectedly. So if all of this is a very, very natural reaction to Simon’s death.
Horus: Ah yes comforting comforting to hear like, because yeah I mean, I feel like I took him for granted and I think I will still put up that, but so here you say that it, you know, helps up sort diminish service, or guilty feeling at least I must now bring on our next guest. So thank you Dionne for everything that you’ve done there for coming on me last me you want to say? And I just want to I’d like to say thanks to everybody that’s donated so far to Simon’s GoFundMe if you can afford to. And if you wish to please donate so that we can help Simon’s wife and daughter get through this really sad and bad time and yeah, but that’s it thanks very much for inviting me and on them and I’ll even chat thanks very much.
Nick: Thanks —
Horus: Okay, so an exist is Gearóid Murphy.
Gearóid Murphy: Hey Horus and I — the other guys as well thanks for having me on I appreciate it. And I just want to say as well one thing Horus you mentioned a while ago being slightly nervous hosting a stream by yourself but am I think you’ve had what ten guests on already you’re lots of guests and you’re doing a pretty good job as far as I can tell. So don’t worry about it.
Horus: Oh that’s good that’s good, because I’m just it’s more self-conscious I saw when I’m gonna let me guest myself it just feels like I don’t have to think about very much, you know, yes. But I mean, I’ve got great co-hosts here as well as they only sure did Gearóid did you speak to him so Simon often like I mean, obviously I know you were in touch, because you came on the show that we did about Ireland.
Gearóid Murphy: And I had that show with him, and yourself, and Keith I think it was. I hope I’m not forgetting anybody. And then a few weeks later it all again I haven’t actually gone back and done a timeline. But I was in let’s just say the recent past the last couple of months um beginning with the stream we did including yourself. But since that time I started I’m streaming a lot more myself, you know, and one night the next stream I had with him I saw him tweet about the pandemic that covered 19 and the lockdown when I was just getting started in Spain and in Ireland as well and he tweeted out that he wasn’t sure he didn’t know what to make of it that he was both skeptical but also, you know, respected that it could be real, or was real, or well, you know, he had a perfect kind of a logical rational take on it and characterized by uncertainty he said. I’m not really sure what to make of it and I have an open mind and I’m not dogmatic about either side, you know, this calm and narrative war and I thought that’s exactly the take someone should have an intellectually rigorous person should have I love the uncertainty of it that’s where I am I too so I DM him on Twitter and said would you come on and talk to me about it and he did. And what was nice about that obviously is that he had a I don’t know a big channel, or is a big kind of name and this scene in the UK which is much bigger country than where I’m if anyone knows me it’s mainly in Ireland um so yeah much bigger name I don’t know more cloak whatever you want to call it. And he just said no problem and that was about five hours before I had him on, you know, I didn’t give him notice either. And he said sure thing and he came on and spoke to me for, I don’t know, an hour and a half. And that was a really nice conversation we had about that it was about that, but it was about many more things as well. And then the last time we spoke the third and final time was I asked him to come on and explain Jose Antonio primo de Rivera to me. And which turned out to be it was very gracious of him, because he wanted to go deep dive into primo de Rivera. And I had to just reel him in and say I don’t even know what happened in the Spanish Civil War, you know, which must have been hard for him, because he had to totally simplify it, you know, to my level what he did it without being resentful, or, you know, annoyed he said okay fair enough I’ll baby step you through the whole thing. And we just had a great chat. And so I don’t know that’s all I ever knew of him. I never got to meet him I’m sure I would have had met him and I was [55:00] looking forward to doing so actually and but I’m that’s like.
Horus: I mentioned he really enjoyed through it baby stepping through it, because that was kind of a labour of love for him he was working on well and he was working on these videos and his book about it. But obviously isn’t finished. But I just wanted just in Adelaide where I just want to say we could you mentioned Jose Antonio and that was a running joke through his show this he mentioned him every week for about six weeks. And then when he didn’t I mentioned that he hadn’t mentioned it’s on a ribbon of apart. And then it became something we had to mention every week I think we didn’t the last week, or two that we did the show. But it was a running joke until then. So I’m very glad that you cooked I thought if you mentally I’m delighted that you mentioned him.
Gearóid Murphy: He am he also had like I didn’t know that he had spoken about him so much in some shows that I didn’t see. In all of that, but he what a passion he had for primo de Rivera I can’t say that guy’s full name every time. But, and oh my god he was like just it’s so invested in that man’s life work so our life’s work. So I don’t know in a way maybe if you want to and again I speak from a position of I spoke to him three times for three hours which albeit small and non-physical I feel like I did get to know him a little bit, you know, more than you might think in that period of time and through watching his other stuff.
But I think maybe, you know, from our perspective from a distance if you wanted to pour over some works of a primo de Rivera our translations if you can’t speak Spanish you’re almost getting to know and converse with Simon a little bit, because clearly it wasn’t just like reading for him. And I don’t know, maybe that’s a kind of a therapy, you know, to read that and just think oh yeah he obviously he knew this page and that page, because he was so am obsessive about it.
Horus: And there was it was turning in a scholarly wild say yeah and
Gearóid Murphy: Oh it’s sorry care, you know,
Horus: No go for it.
Gearóid Murphy: I was sure I don’t know what I was gonna say in it.
Horus: Okay just, because you mentioned about how you could feel like you knew the guy almost immediately. Nick would you share the same that almost and west as soon as you make contact with Simon he just feels like a familiar person.
Nick: I’d I think I felt that way the first time I saw him streaming with Dionne, because I wasn’t really familiar with him until we started talking I’d seen him on one stream and then run okay well you honors again you’re a lovely man yeah I’d yeah I just remember the stream that they did thinking I want to know him and I’m very, very glad that I got to.
Horus: Have you got a cat there, by the way?
Nick: Oh yeah she’s always scrambling for attention sorry. Does she want to say something about Simon, no?
Horus: Have you got a cat there, by the way?
Nick: I don’t know I mean, she was always watching every week, so she was a fan just as much as anyone else. I don’t think, I think she’s short on words now she’s gonna show.
Horus: And about Jose Antonio as well I believe O’Keefe is gonna be our guest in a little while and his tribute that really said that his favorite Simon Harris video was one of the episodes of the series that that song on was doing about Jose Antonio as well oh one other great thing, but that was that Simon would say Jose Antonio a primo de Rivera in the proper action and, you know, better than any of us so that’s another thing I’ve missed. Yeah, that was a mainstay of European Freedom every week I was in Sony oh god mention it so it’s pretty fitting that that you had in monster talk about exactly that I think.
Gearóid Murphy: Yeah, it was so strange as well and you can just cut me off whenever you want to hear, or tell you give me a warning but em I learned about it through and I think a lot of people are mentioning this kind of how strange this is. But I learned about it I was streaming with them and two lads the other night one of whom was Keith and um and it came up in the chat just towards the end when I was getting ready to wrap up the show and I just start seeing Simon Harris, or AP in the chat and I just couldn’t address it and I don’t know I felt like is this tactful to do it, or not, whatever. But I just thought like I’m just gonna say goodnight and I’m gonna have to verify that, or something I’m not it’s too strange just at the end of a chat I don’t know what’s true, or what is it, but it was so strange and rattling to learn it that way kind of in a way insensitive not that I blame the chat, or any of that, but just such a strange way to learn something like that yes slightly, but like, you know, understandable too and then, you know, yet [60:02] I only ever knew him through streaming and here we are and I’m streaming in this way so it’s just such a strange experience in that way and yeah people mentioning how they felt like they knew him I just thought he felt kind of like and again I might be overstepping the mark to anybody, you know, he may have nieces and nephews I don’t mean to make any comparison I sort of a kind of an uncle slash frnd type of guy I there was one thing he mentioned in our stream the long stream we did just a general conversation he said and he mentioned this festival in Spain that he goes to its a he said it’s a festival about spring onions, or something like that and how as he described it a lot of back-slapping and a lot of swigging wine from the same bottle um this kind of festival just great phone, or whatever and I said at the end of our stream that I would have liked to join him at some point and he obviously he said you must come over we’ll go I’ll take you out I had it fully in my mind that I was going to do that next year the year after the one after that whatever but it was there wasn’t a flippant commitment um and I don’t know he’s just that kind of guy.
The other thing as well I would rate him as like I sometimes within the movement think about the person who you would bring to a barbecue, you know, some people are intellectuals some people are this and that I have this thing called the barbecue test like would you bring someone to a barbecue with your normie family, or something like that right and would they be able to speak to someone in a way that isn’t necessarily a political rant and he would be maybe my number one guy I think he could listen to someone and engage and have a good time and sing a song drink a few beers, you know, and what I think of it.
Horus: And he would drop in at the deliberate red pill bomb here and there as well.
Gearóid Murphy: For sure.
Nick: On that note I always had Simon pegged as the one person that I wanted my folks to meet so that they would feel okay about all of this I genuinely thought if only I could just introduce them to Simon then they’d just be like okay it must be fine this guy’s normal and cus.
Horus: Keith welcome to you. Do you have a barbecue test for people as well?
Keith Woods: Yeah well yeah, you know, it’s funny you’re not, because yeah that’s very relatable I mean, I remember he had the first time I was talking to Simon it was he did seem strangely familiar. But I think there was something about Simon needs to have some family in the UK around his age and I think he’s very representative of a certain generation of British and Irish people as well that are just good decent people that kind of had their good nature taken advantage of and he went in search of answers and your show at Horus wood I’m actually I mean, America light show is probably, you know, the sort of the main show of this online space whatever but I’d really started enjoying yours and Simon’s shown that it turned into great show for the hot topic of today the big discussion whether it was the debate with Nick Griffin around electoral politics, or whatever else, you know.
And I think the reason for that is, because Simon himself was only interested in truth and kind of honest inquiry and so he always had his finger on the pulse because, you know, he was always genuinely looking for the same answers his audience were. And it’s a strange thing like I put up the tribute to him and I mean, here we all are, you know, people that didn’t meet him personally and do so many people under my video said that they decried when they found out, or decried watching the video and there were expressing sort of amusement on it as well that they were so emotional for someone that never met and it is a weird thing, because it’s like I’ve been a few years kind of interacting with the space like you don’t listening to podcasts and following YouTubers, and so on, and it’s never happened before that one of these people passed away and it’s a weird thing, because it’s like when I heard Simon died I went and watched the last show we did it was a weird feeling the last five minutes of the show as it’s ending, you know, like Simon and many other people it’s like, you invite them into your home and in a weird way it’s kind of an intimate experience and you don’t realize who attached yeah, or how much you feel like, you know, this person and it was a strange feeling watching the stream known it’s the last time you’ll ever hear this man and yeah it does make you really appreciate what a great guy he was.
Horus: Couldn’t agree more and Nick has said like the European Freedom should carry on I got it so yeah, you know, truth I don’t know if I’ve got what it takes to carry on Nick. But I mean, I want to contribute I want to do my bit. But I don’t know if I’ve got that same sort of intense resolve that he had, or the ability to do I’ve got my finger on the pulse quite so well.
Nick: I’m not sure it matters whether you do on your own what’s important is that we have to write it’s not really an option on this one.
Horus: When especially like Keith put his finger on like what was so valuable as well I mean, is absolutely a good idea it’s just well that’s it talk about it more in the next week.
Nick: No I know what you mean, because he was so right about the zeitgeist thing especially in the last few months, because we started off having quite broad discussions that were supposed to be sort of timeless we were like okay what let’s unpack this would let’s see what this means. But then the last couple of weeks it’s been like we need to talk about this has been bubbling under the surface and I’m gonna rip that plaster off and make sure that we talked about it that seemed to be Simon’s aim which made it sort of the unmissable point of the week it was the most interesting point of the week I think.
Horus: I’m delighted to hear that. I fully agree. And yeah this is under the surface let’s bring it to the surface so there’s those incredibly very dynamic.
Keith Woods: And he was I mean, he was the perfect person for that because, you know, everyone associated loved him, you know, no not a bad word to say about Simon and it was always clear that there was absolutely no ego involved on that if he was taking a position it was, because he thought it was the best and the right position and, you know, even when they I think when me and Gearóid were on after the election we were having like a mild disagreement over like sort of an approach to electoral politics and Simon was like the perfect mediator and all these discussions, you know, he was totally reasonable and he could you could see both sides and he’d gone through all of these sort of intellectual journeys themselves so he was the perfect person to face up to these conflicts and get a good resolution that everyone could agree on.
Gearóid Murphy: M for sure there’s one thing as well that he when before we streamed that time he messaged me I think he might have said it on, or off camera I don’t know but he said em he said he told me he had been binging on my videos and it was such an alien concept to me, because I don’t know if you ever get this feeling, or some of you do, or maybe it’s just me but you kind of go there’s a part of you that kind of wonders why anybody might watch you, you know, that kind of imposter syndrome and to think that this guy who, you know, I think he’s a little bit of a big deal and all of that would say something like that it’s quite nice and a lot of people even if they did do that they might not say it to you, you know, they might not want to put themselves humble themselves so much before you, or whatever but he had no problem saying that felt good it was nice of him to say I appreciated that I don’t know if I should get my I’ll probably be in someone’s way so will I just knock out one, or two more bits of spiel.
Horus: And introduce Alison in a minute you can still be, you know, oh no.
Gearóid Murphy: Okay, I didn’t know.
Keith Woods: I had a very similar experience, because Simon used to leave comments on my channel when I only had a few hundred subscribers so at the time, you know, you see this guy with 17 rating toes and subs whatever and it’s, you know, all his words of encouragement I know that really means a lot, because I do think he went out of his way, because he saw it was so new on the scene and maybe didn’t that many subs I do think he went to it was word to always be very encouraging and leave positive comments so I mean that’s a small thing, but you look back on that and you’re like, you know what a decent guy.
Horus: Any one thing just being kind was it he was doing it because, you know, he recognized quality and he wants to encourage more people to come forward to be surrounded by interesting strong voices and stuff so I have the same thing even with a following of just a couple of thousand people I see someone who’s got only 50 followers but they’re doing good stuff I just want to push him forward, you know, I want to be I want to be crowded out if anything.
Nick: That was clearly his focus, because that applies to like all of us he gave me a leg up he gave you Horus a masochist said the same thing um yeah and I think that was pretty unsung as well. I don’t think anyone really noticed that until today.
Horus: Well I always came me aware of it, because I noticed that every video that I put out he was going this is well I don’t blow my own trumpet moves. And this is extraordinary stuff that’s like yes cheers mate [70:00] terrific and so I just like a gerund I’ll go introduce Alison now I don’t know physically quit quickly.
Gearóid Murphy: No yeah and no no go ahead.
Horus: Okay well one yeah, so you guys just and as long as you want obviously you if I have to introduce next person in ten minutes left a big one of you with them here is Alison Chabloz. Welcome Alison how you doing?
Alison Chabloz: Hello all. Can you hear me?
Nick: You’re quite quiet. I don’t know if there’s a way to fix that.
Alison Chabloz: Yes, I’ve had a some device problems over the last few days. Is that better?
Horus: Yeah, it’s a little better.
Alison Chabloz: Okay. I’ll pump my volume. That’s it. That’s maximum. I’ll try to speak speak up.
Horus: That sounds good, sounds good yeah hello Alison and boy and but when we had you on European Freedom that was one of my absolute favorite ones of what it was a way to its about fascinating things that night so a very happy memory of that I think there was first time and it wasn’t the first time you and I was trying to remember I spoke and I assume that wasn’t the first time you spoke to Simon.
Alison Chabloz: I was trying to remember I’m not sure whether that was perhaps the only stream I’ve done on your show. I’m not sure whether we were perhaps guests on another show at one point. I’ve spoken to Simon quite a bit in the background as people have already been saying, you know, he was always very supportive and very level-headed and very sensible and an absolute blessing to our little scene.
So yeah, it was a big shock as a big shock like Friday can we say that day it was remain in the annals as well it was a further Thursday he passed away but we found out on the Friday well I found out on the Friday just so sudden my name is Dionne was saying yes such a shock and that we are such small things when it comes down to it we really do have to live each day as I feel, you know, it could be our last. And yes I was always an honor to talk to people who are little intellectuals of the movement I don’t consider myself to be an intellectual. I consider myself to be a minstrel and, of course, I’m on that Simon and I had that in common he was also a musician. And another thing we had in common is that both our dads used to work in the same town so there was already, you know, a kind of but brotherly sister sisterly feeling and as others of a said yes so he’s easy to talk to and authentic. Authentic in a way that will the messages of support and condolences I saw on Saturday just say it all about how loved he was and always will be he will always be remembered and he did great work he himself was on a journey I think no and he talked about those different parts there’s different parts of his journey with openness and as I say authenticity I try a treasure he was a treasure.
Horus: Well said a lot of people in their sort of 60s and 70s they think that not that they’ve learned that they know everything but this just becomes less interesting to learn about the world you get that sense not at all with Simon like you sense that he was accelerating in some ways like he was grasping life more enthusiastically than ever it seemed to me.
Alison Chabloz: Yes and we, you know, I think it was a girl right I’m sorry if I don’t pronounce your name correctly, but.
Gearóid Murphy: That’s okay.
Alison Chabloz: Yeah oh my gosh I lose track could yeah I am suffering from exhaustion and apologies that yeah, he was its just the an authenticity in the level-headedness and you could see from his tweets that he was also quite a figure within the Spanish political scene all his, you know how he explained how he worked with the Catalan independence movement before realizing that this wasn’t the right path for him to go down and we can see it with all of us I think that to us as the tyranny increases and as the oppression and the new world order is there’s a big heavy slow heavy gear shift at the moment that the language was becoming more weighted the language of Simon’s tweets and the fact that he was also not only implicated in politics back here back in his homeland, but also his adopted homeland.
That’s another thing we had in common that I could have easily been in Simon’s position. After my first university degree I went to Spain that was the night in 87 where I spent a year I lived in Barcelona briefly for about three months like I could speak good Spanish back in the day that would take a while to come back but and yeah, he was a lovely man and a great friend and I, you know, it’s so grateful that he and, of course, if everybody here on this platform the host of this show at Nick and Shazia that they you approached me all of you approached me and Simon as well and talked about my case and I apologize for talking about me, but that’s it means so much to me and it always will it always were people who have been courageous enough to point out the discrepancies and the authorities treatment of me musician singer supposedly bastion of the free world and Simon was there for me therefore I always be grateful and always remember him with utmost fondness.
Horus: When you and I did a conversation some six weeks ago Simon on that I said secure think that I wasn’t really I didn’t pay attention I used to see this hashtag, or ever people saying free Alison Chabloz, or what you thought, you know, why it went free speech but, you know, Dallas and showboat I simply I think ignored your case for a while and I just I didn’t realize the significance of it. And when I did I sort of thought well I’ve got something some other name something to make up for I guess, or just to get on the right path, you know. But obviously you’ve I don’t know I’d only go in swinging confidential but you’ve got a special reason.
Alison Chabloz: For mentioning this at the present time so it’s totally don’t blame you for talking by and tonight it’s not the right time, or place. But yes the fact that one would prefer the authorities would like me to be unpersoned but thanks to Simon and yourself and Shazia and earth many others that the well I think the authorities are rather concerned.
Horus: I mean, I was just looking at Jared’s channel the great auditors before I came on and he had a video that he’d cut out from his longer chat with him with Jason No White Guilt was well but it was just I think the title of the video was something like Simon Harris red pill machine fullest that’s a brilliant appellation I mean, if he’s got a sort of, I mean, were, you know whatever goes on his gravestone is nothing to do with us but on his say is, you know, his virtual gravestone you could have red pill machine and that’s, you know, it’s a nice if not the whole from sum up the whole of his character but is one great thing to attribute to his name.
Alison Chabloz: That’s a massive quality that he had was the tone of voice that he would use to put across his ideas and his thoughts and his questions it was always just absolutely perfect he had that way of putting putting himself across the tone of voice which I can kind of hear as I’m talking about him and his voice do you yes he really did have a wonderful voice in every sense of the word and thank goodness, you know, there were all these recordings will live on as his voice will live on by this legacy that was his gift.
Horus: Certainly will it was yeah, it was such a genial fellow as well and I must say Gearóid’s I’m sorry I’m mispronouncing your name as well and I will have to removing that’s my way from Mark. But thank you very much for coming on.
Gearóid Murphy: That’s all good. Thanks for having me. Rest in peace Simon.
Keith Woods: You can drop me earlier as well if you want. But before just I would just say one thing. I mean, we touched on it there and sure America will but, the fact that he set up his [80:00] show in such a way that he wanted to kind of rip off the plaster and sort of resolve any contradictions, or any problems he saw and he was obviously motivated by getting people on the same page and having unity and having people go on the same journey he did. I think if there’s one thing he definitely be proud of its the fact that here we all are tonight and he’s got, you know, people from the UK and Ireland and the US and the show was called European Freedom and here everyone has come together to honor him. So I’m sure he’d be more proud of that than anything so well don’t everyone.
Nick: Here yeah.
Horus: And just before I threw introduce Mark I saw Alphago in the chats a minstrel actual I think that’s quite appropriate that goes quite well for him so yeah thanks thanks for coming on Keith you obviously you can stay out all, or drop out, you know, when the next guest comes on and yeah cheer me, and so on, children and uh so I will now introduce Mark Collett welcome Mark how you doing.
Mark Collett: Hi yeah obviously I think we’re all a little shell-shocked by what happened I think you were the one who told me something was wrong you were texting me I think it was late Thursday night wasn’t it saying wasn’t late Friday.
Horus: Yeah a Friday night.
Mark Collett: Saying he thought something had happened and I immediately went onto his Facebook, because I was Facebook friends with him and obviously my heart sank, because I saw the kind of messages that were being left on his Facebook wall and I knew then that what we all had feared after what it said in the karaoke chat had taken a real turn for the worst and obviously we lost him and the first thing I’ve got to do is say not only was Simon very, very valued in our community and very much loved but he will also be very, very much missed and he is someone that has been taken from us far, far, too young he had so much to give he’d already given so much but Simon was one of those guys that you vote would be in this for the long haul I mean, uh I’ve got to say that I offer obviously my condolences to all of his friends and his family and tomorrow night I’m going to dedicate the whole of PWR to Simon to his memory. And if all of you guys want to join me just drop in whenever you can for five minutes, or ten minutes and give your thoughts on Simon that would be fantastic PWRs in one form and another being going now for over 150 episodes for that so that’s for three years and we usually get very, very healthy viewing numbers and I think Simon’s been a guest twice he was very, very welcomed and very much loved by the community and the people who watch PWR. And I think that it would only be a fitting tribute for me to give him an entire final episode so that we can all remember him and so that can go in the PWR archives and so we really all have something where we can come together I know you’re doing this tonight. But I just I couldn’t have gone ahead with the show we had a show planned with Emily useless now I just couldn’t have gone ahead with that and not given Simon a full episode to honor his work and the reason Simon’s work is so important, or the reason I feel that Simon’s work is so important it’s Simon was he was a very much a man’s man! He was a tough guy but he could also acknowledge when he was wrong he could acknowledge when he had taken the wrong path and he was very thoughtful and often those two things don’t go hand in hand often people there were strong men struggled to admit when they’ve taken the wrong path but Simon was not only a strong man. But one of the great things about listening to his work was there was that clear evolution of who he was and what he believed in a journey of truth that he was going on. And that journey of truth had taken him to the nice community and I’ll give you one of my reflections of Simon. And this is something that will live with me for the rest of my life. The last time I spoke to Simon privately just mean him talking he talked to me about the sadness he felt that he couldn’t make the conference in March and me and him had a bit of a heart-to-heart and he said he was very, very disappointed, because he didn’t feel that he got to truly experience meeting everyone and he felt that this community was a home but he said the conference to him was meant to be like a homecoming he [85:01] wanted to be in a room with people he felt were his political family. And I said to him at the time I said look me don’t worry about it there’s gonna be more conferences I said I hope you’ll join us in September and he said, of course, I will I’m gonna be there I can’t wait to meet everyone and reflecting on that final private conversation with him it brings me an awful lot of sadness, because he was a man that had so much to live for I know he was like the older gentleman but he still had so much fire so much passion and after going on this long political journey he felt like he’d found his home and he just wanted to come home to us and mean to soar and be in the company of people who he could be himself around. And it will always be a lasting sadness for me personally that I never got to shake his hand and I never got to meet him in person.
Horus: There is a tragic note that brings a tear to the eye. Yeah, I think it’s a lovely idea to have open house tomorrow is sort of something that a lot of people do you know, that before, you know, after someone’s dying before the funeral, or the wake afterwards so I think in a way that’s what you’re doing they’ll be here it’ll be a lovely thing to have some more and switch when Laura was on earlier us I said and I think she has your initial agreed that Simon’s speech he couldn’t hear us. He couldn’t hear us applauding and laughing and stuff but it we shall be could, because his speech came across so naturally so this tragic that he, you know, who prevented from coming to the conference but it is lovely and something cheerful to remember that he still did that much and he still he gave us something I hope he got something out of it as well. But it is still lovely that he managed to do that much.
Mark Collett: The one thing that I do feel happy about though is that at the conference when he said he couldn’t speak I know his speech wasn’t perfect in the sense that he didn’t get to hear us and he was quite upset that during his speech he couldn’t hear the crowd. And it’s very difficult to speak to a crowd of people if you aren’t getting any form of reaction when you speak on a show like this you see the live chat and it gives you real feedback to how things are going. But his speech was superb. But I am happy that even though he couldn’t attend on the morning of the conference we still moved everything around we changed the order of the speakers and we still made sure he could appear even if it’s via videolink and he wasn’t there in person he was there and that day he inspired so many people as he’s been inspiring so many people for so long. And when I say he went on a journey some people go on a journey of discovery on their own but the beautiful thing about Simon’s life is he went on that journey of discovery and it wasn’t alone! He took hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of people with him on that journey and he led them to the truth to this community. And I believe that Simon should always be remembered as a strong heroic man who always sought the truth. And he didn’t just seek it for his own personal gratification, or knowledge he sought the truth so he could help others and so he could help others to that truth with him and that’s what makes him stand out as such an incredible man and a man that we’re all gonna miss so dearly I used to remember miss a little personal reflection of mine but in the chat on a Wednesday night of PWR you would always see Simon in the chat and when he’d come in and say hello to everyone the chat would light up with I sighed to think that this Wednesday will be honoring him but we won’t see his name pop up in the chat we won’t see that string of really fast messages all saying hi Simon how are you doing enjoy just stream last week looking forward to your next one that’s something that it’s very, very sad and it’s very moving, because I know this community sometimes feels disjointed and I know that it isn’t as close and as [90:00] organic as it should be, because of the geographical separation between us and the fact much of our work takes place online. But no one could ever accuse this community of not having heart. And it’s moments like this I know this is a very sad time but seeing everyone being pulled together and seeing such a genuine outpouring of love for such a wonderful man I really hope he’s smiling down on us. And I really hope that he seems today tomorrow with all the tributes shows that are going on just how much he was genuinely loved and just how much he will be missed.
Horus: Yeah, I think he was a man he wanted to take us off what he wanted to take us on the truth journey and he wanted us to be there with him. He wanted us to be there alongside him that’s the way I my life isn’t it. Any last thing you want to say? I’m gonna introduce St. Harrison who’s the next guest.
Mark Collett: No I don’t want to take any one else’s they I just want to thank everyone who’s here tonight please be with us tomorrow, or everyone who’s here now is welcome even if it’s just two minutes, five minutes just to come on and say hello. We will be spamming that link to the GoFundMe throughout the entire show so that if anyone wants to donate to his family they can. And just to reiterate what I’ve said he was such an incredible man he went on such an incredible journey and it will always be a lasting sadness for me that I never got to shake his hand! Simon Harris we will miss you so much my friend!
Horus: Well said. I’ll be there tomorrow. St Harrison welcome mate.
St. Harrison: Thank you for having me.
Horus: Cool yeah yeah, so how’s things?
St. Harrison: Well it’s very somber evening but it was weird wasn’t it, because normally he’s quite active in our group chats and then it’s kind of not heard from Simon for a couple of days out maybe someone’s had a day off, because Asian people have a little rest from Telegram and then see we found out what’s happened. And it’s kind of a case if you don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone. I mean, I never spoke to Simon personally. I mean, I never got around to having a Harrison Horus stream which would have been fun I think, because he asked her same sarcastic sense of humor as I do with all of what he would have I would have called it, because he said he didn’t like how I titled my videos and when he said that for my talk. But then I might have been reciting this out of him a bit in a video about the PA conference when I said he was he appeared via video link like someone who couldn’t be asked to accept an award but he knew I was joking. I mean, the first video I watched of Simon’s was one about the Three Girls drama we did a few years back and he pointed out things that are completely missed in that program and how they just focused on the uselessness, rather than the racial element. And then I started watching him more when he was covering the cattle anger cation issues, because he was over there you ever see was he pin and knew what was going on and he was raising points again that I am probably others hadn’t thought of I know he came means some stick I think a few times for being an Englishman abroad but like Dionne Chris Jake he still cared about us cared about England and wanted right until the end he was pumping out stuff for the cause I think the good thing is that the wealth of content he’s made it’s still there for everyone to watch over and we can all bring over the higher intellect newbies to his videos and he still got his European Freedom site as well. So his hard work won’t go to waste I think that’s what he’d want.
Horus: I think it’d be a struggle for anyone to cast doubt on his commitments there cause wherever he lived I think and he spoke himself about how although he was it was some discomfort for him that he lived abroad where is he I think he said as he got older he would have liked to have returned to Britain, I don’t forget any plans to about that Three Girls video I watched that one a couple of months ago and, because I was doing research for these videos I’m releasing at the moment yeah and also regret for me though you won’t see the sixth part of this series I’m doing, because that discusses Three Girls as well. It’s not all about that. But yeah, I mean, if there is an afterlife well he might have better things to do. But I hope yeah he gets to see these last three parts these videos on tuned, because on six expiration this, or a second.
St. Harrison: You never know there might well be an after life. And if a cop in the chat appears from him we’ll all shit ourselves but good reason.
Horus: I mean, he might appear tomorrow to do with custom repo in the chat for PWR another night it’s nice thought maybe a comforting thought would it be like fucking ghost when Patrick Swayze manages to cheapening in sorry when he met when he manifested, you know,
St. Harrison: So you cheapen in the evening.
Horus: Oh I was the first one that gets me off yeah I mean, I love this sense of humor he likes to rip people he likes to throw some things out there. It was good. It was challenging.
St. Harrison: Yeah wasn’t all serious was it he wasn’t although he said sometimes came across as quite serious I know when you two do your streams and you’re talking about big feet, or and half of us I’m got clue what you’re talking about and the other us understand. But then he’d also come out with these witty comments on Twitter and in these videos as well so he did a pill to everyone across the spectrum which I think there’s another reason why he’ll be missed.
Horus: I’m such an easy guys to get along with and vigilance oh Jesus Jesus in the chat has been putting in some sort of silence tweets and quotes and stuff and makes you realise apart from many other things he was also quite a wordsmith as well I mean, I all we know he was a writer as well. But then they could also be pithy as well and it’s a man of many talents. Speaking of the Cathedral where Ralph is gonna be our next guests I’m afraid Ralph if you’re listening there won’t be time to discuss the cathedral tonight unless you’re speaking about spiritual matters yeah in that sense yeah which, of course, Simon did mention several times he had a growing attraction to the Christian faith I don’t know how Orthodox. But I mean, he spoke of like how much he got out of spending time in churches and cathedrals and, or scenes in the right place for that in Barcelona as women.
St. Harrison: That was all it’s catland stuff was good as well, because he went out there did me a couple of times in the street and spoke to people and he was saying how they didn’t have a plan for what they were going to do after I think that’s something that he certainly brought to us in our plans in knowing that it’s all very well I was having an end point, so to speak, but with everything afterwards,
Horus: You know, whether it is the end, or not. Carry boomers just put in the chat an apt quote everyone in the Spanish government that cunts Simon Harris and I think knit shirt that one earlier as well.
Nick: I did I saw that someone else had and I just thought maybe, maybe we should keep this up as a thing, because I’m sure there’s years of quality I was gonna say about the that like the Cathedral and struggling to follow it this is a good thing about Simon’s channel is that some of them do require a rewatch some of them you probably can’t digest it in one so it’s gonna be worth going back to it.
St. Harrison: Definitely, because I didn’t understand it.
Horus: About the about a cathedral is its somewhat counterintuitive and St. Harrison: It’s far too big brain for me.
Horus: Yeah I mean, it entails thinking not in terms of people but in terms of roles as well would why this I’m gonna introduce Ralph in a moment now I’m gonna have to talk about five minutes ago stone one can’t wholly sustain their through and up off bars without, you know, some physical movements but God I made that sound worse and it’s basically what I mean, is I’m gonna need a way but once I’m introduced Ralph I would know that he’ll be able to talk for a long enough for me to go and come back home old I’m not being emotional okay mate um.
St. Harrison: Thank you very much coming on thank you for having me.
Horus: Yeah except and speak soon.
St. Harrison: Hu soon mile.
Horus: Cheers my and Ralph welcome to the stream! How are you doing?
Ralph Masilamani (Right Reaction)
Ralph: Oh it’s quite moving listening to all. Evening everyone how you Nick Allison Ches Horus but um yeah we’re moving what up yeah okay moving listening to it all yeah I’m still quite in shock to be honest I still could cop leave he’s not fair Connelly spoke to him a few days prior to the events yeah I don’t know. If you want to hear my am I guess my journey with Simon is quite a different one for me from you chaps. I first spoke to him on the phone I think two and a half years ago, because after the blue I had a couple of friends when [100:00] I was working my way around the movement figuring out what was going on. And I had a couple of people kept saying do you know, Simon Harris do you know, Simon Harris have they no I have no idea two years so and they kept saying oh I want to be introduced to Simon and eventually I thought we’ll just screw this so I just restarted assignment directly out of the blue and I said look I don’t really know you I’ve been reading some of your blog stuff that looks really interesting and I just introduced you and you don’t know me can I introduce you to random people and he was so warm and said, of course, no problem so I looked at these perhaps up to three people that way and then we spoke I mean, we communicated by email maybe five, or six times from 2018-19 just randomly. And then eventually I think I finally spoke to him and properly with you Horus on that first stream were the three of us with that right I think you remember that one we talked about 40 nationalism and you say don’t mention, the Cathedral but um I think I have to, because what’s remarkable about Simon was we did those great streams that people liked about the Cathedral and then he wanted more of them and then he thought this is just too much for me and I’m gonna have to think about it and before I came on tonight I counted in total he’d watched 37 different neo reactionary videos and sent me about 40 different emails and documents and comments as he was trying to reconcile his entire worldview against its all new reactionary madness right and I think it speaks like volumes so that the fact that he was so like diligent and dedicated and just determined to understand something that he put his mind to and I had to check even though he said okay I’m gonna have to go back to my Spanish series videos it was only like eight, or eight, nine days ago if the last message going is this what that means and this what that means in Cathedral and you’re actually thinking so I think it’s a speaks volumes to a man who has such um I think integrity intellectually on that level so that was all the cathedral stuff and I know the personal stuff is quite interesting, because I think of my final phase at Simon is I’m stumbling my way to all this kind of social media personality nonsense and obviously we all make mistakes and Simon was always there for me going no pull that video down don’t say this say that and he was a great mentor it was always very humble very eager list always replied very promptly to all my communications and I can’t think of anything to spite the character of math and I genuinely feel like even though I’ve only known him for a short period of time I feel very personal lots I feel like the movement has lost a great man and a very of a Stallworth if you like and I think there’s one thing we should take from this is we should, you know, do silence memory justice by giving, you know, giving our best for what time we would have wanted to. And that’s why I kept using that.
Nick: I think the word mentor that you’d I think that’s the word that we’re gonna agree is the word of the night isn’t it as he’s given that to so many people it seems like most of the people that have come on he and he helped them move on in some way.
Ralph: Yeah, I think yeah even the personality he was very yeah, he was quite a yeah, he was very um I think the what integrity springs to mind, because I remember even with my lot stuff I know the cathedral stuff can get people’s combined for people he just was determined like, you know, like dastardly and muttley in the Wacky Races cartoons he was just like gimme gimme gimme gimme gimme he just wanted, you know, and even when he thought like okay we’re done with this I thought right I won’t hear from Simon about the Cathedral he just kept coming, because he just wouldn’t let go of how to reconcile like it’s third position worldview against this stuff and I think of the good gosh a man 360 and then the hell thing which was really bizarre that I’ve had the kool-aid it’s been as bad I don’t you got horrid really and I spoke to him I could tell he wasn’t well but he was very reticent to kind of share things but didn’t take long for you to think right you’ve got the same respiratory old stuff but he seemed very like almost like calm about it and I know exactly how he felt, because I’m living it right now, or have been for six weeks and weeks and I notice it even in that sickness he was very calm so I was very I need something in my spider-sense I knew something was wrong, because he always replied the next day at the latest and I hadn’t heard from over two, or three days and then Horus was on the horn Greg I haven’t heard from Simon have you heard from Simon and that point something was that this kind of like visceral feeling you get I kind of spidey sense and yeah now we know obviously so yeah it’s yeah thoughts and prayers with Simon and his family obviously and, you know, we’d stop at Shazia you’re on Horus to do what they’re doing here so.
Horus: You’re a Christian are you Ralph?
Ralph: I’m afraid I have miss.
Horus: Don’t worry I’m not criticize just some of the times I mean, I, you know, I’ve only known him for less than a year, or something I noticed he mentioned increasing our first notice when we had Jacktion on. Jacktion OBerlin here later as well but when we first said him on the [105:00] show Simon’s first start talking about faith as far as I mean, maybe been talking about for years before but it was the first I was aware of it and did you talk to her about matters of faith that’s all.
Ralph: It came up really in a very strange way, because we were talking about the cathedral stuff and then I laughed, because I like Gaudi I said well, you know, he lives in Barcelona so obviously you have this agreed of Sagrada família and stuff like that and then it kind of we had two little conversations and he asked me about how my fate changes my worldview and politics and how does it feel like have I ever been without faith and I never asked him that I think he’s quite rude I mean, personally I don’t like to inquire about people’s faith unless they tell me first. But I could always sense there was something there I wasn’t sure if he was a Christian, or used to be when I was young, or was rediscovering his faith. But there was definitely something in that conversation, because I can tell by the tone and when we went to the Sagrada família which did all the kind of mechanical stuff and then I was like oh yeah and I’ve been to a few churches and we spoke about architecture and boss one of our Gaudi specifically and I would say yeah. But I was obviously I was going to the church also to go to church and I could tell there was something there that and that’s quite common I think lots of people typically in there either and that latter third of their life do look for something beyond so that would not surprise me if he was let’s just say rekindling in search for the spiritual.
Nick: So I’m gonna have to listen to the very first one that the three of us did together again, because it ended up in that kind of zone didn’t it where do you remember this Horus where Simon was sort of looking straight at the do you believe in God question and us and the whole audience were basically silent if we’d have been on a stream when no one was saying anything and no one minded. It’s amazing.
Horus: Christian you’re a Christian so are you.
Nick: Yes yes look at the, ..
Horus: As a matter of our density that.
Nick: There’s all sorts in there, but it was just like teasing him with this concept of good and evil like do you believe in good and evil, because if you do I don’t believe you can be a proper atheist I don’t know it was a fun conversation.
Ralph: Yeah and it’s probably really the cathedra stop where we spoke a lot about, because I’m hoping to get Dr. E Michael Jones now that the things have lifted again to have a debate with a big Christian chat at Speaker’s Corner and we were still I was talking to Simon about blood and soil and the ethnos without the logos and I could feel even there he was like well we need a spirit if you’re an atheist you need some spiritual sense right there’s gonna be some it can’t just be blood and soil right it must be balance while in spirit and he kept asking questions that were questions a lot of people ask, or what I’d like to say spiritual would not sure what that spirit means they think there’s more than just mechanics so he was definitely a very, very obviously very curious I’ve a cognizant of spirit for sure.
Alison Chabloz: So famous pilgrimage not far from Simon’s part of the world the Santiago de Compostela. I was wondering if he knew about that and I am sure Simon did I think I remember him saying something about that quite a lot of people that I know as well.
Ralph: Do you mean the actual famous that you mean the actual trade yeah that’s when um Jade the Reconquista when the Christians finally we conquered in the period going up to 1492 and the Reconquista and taking all the Muslims there’s a famous pilgrimage trail that marks all the true Abita parts of it the marks of the Spanish churches that literally were burned and fought him as a battle fault line to evict Islam from Europe. So when you think of the Reconquista we think of the santiago de compostela as that kind of fault line if you like between Christianity in Europe and the rejection of Islam. And it has some of the most beautiful like baroque and Gothic churches very, very interesting fusion Romanesque churches all of the wonderful stops if you’re ever in that part of the world it’s worth it just for the architecture and it’s obviously quite a famous film of good. So I think that’s what you’re referring to I think by yeah yeah.
Alison Chabloz: Yes that is right yes.
Ralph: So yeah, that’s his part the world I think Simon Simon mentioned he I think he mentioned he’d be no mapping it for I think Spanish political reasons as much as religious reasons right there was quite significant in Spanish politics as well. But it’s a kind of fault line for further down is its relative.
Horus: Ralph thanks for coming along I know that introduced down the “Holocaust” now is really a Finnick lost England say.
Ralph: No well god bless Simon and his family! And my thoughts and prayers are still with [110:00] his family and great stuff chaps for all the work we’ve done for the video that is short starts.
Horus: Yet there’s no accident that Simon invited to on our show I think three times.Good mortgage cheers for coming on.
Ralph: Indeed made three mistakes you have.
Horus: Cheers for coming on.
Alison Chabloz: I shall also say goodbye may I speak too soon very much and well done for hosting this important stream thanks a lot. Good night everyone.
Horus: Thank you very much for this one. Dan welcome how are you doing.
Dan (The Iconoclast)
Dan (Iconoclast): Hello well yeah all things considered I’m doing okay mate how you guys doing? It’s been a good show so far lots of good guests coming in lots of people paying their respects it just goes to show how much Simon meant to basically everyone and none of us met him in real life isn’t that a testament to the man.
Horus: None of us oh no.
Nick: None of us I died said that in my PA wrap-up that I was just like out of everyone I wanted a pint with him the moe and I did intend to go to Barcelona at some point the UK. But. Now. I don’t think any wait as did you didn’t did you pulled out of something that was supposed to happen so yeah none of us,
Dan (Iconoclast): You know, it’s funny because at times like this you get all reflective and you think back to all the times he interacted with Simon. And the first time I came across him was three years ago well started my channel for the first time I think it was only about a month, or two old and he started messaging me on Twitter again like many people have said tonight just with words of encouragement and saying oh I really enjoyed this video of yours and just compliments galore and I didn’t know who he was at the time and I checked him out we charge for a while learn too he was British guy living in Barcelona had a really interesting life story and it was a shame, you know, because the week before he messaged me I was actually in Barcelona I was on a holiday with my girlfriend and I thought if he’d messaged me just before I went I probably would have tried to see him, or something, because he was such a warm guy you could tell he wasn’t a bullshit artist. He wasn’t ill intended in any way he’s just a good guy and I came across immediately, you know, it in these circles were always concerned about people trying to in my case, you know what’s happened many times people trying to talks me by trying to get me out into a pub, or something, and sneakily taking a picture, you know, you’ve got a ticket these things into account sometimes. But I knew Simon wouldn’t be that sort of man he was a completely honest man and we chat for a good while and then we I interviewed him for my channel later on in 2017 about the Catalonia independence marches and after that we kind of went our separate ways for a few years and it all culminated Horus and me coming on European Freedom a few weeks ago and it was the first time Simon and I had spoken since then which is crazy to think and, you know, now I’m feeling regretful, because that’s three years I could have been, you know, really valuing Simon as a friend whereas we were, you know, it’s funny how this happens isn’t it. But I guess there’s nothing you can do about it now you don’t think that this person that you respect and admire is suddenly just gonna disappear nobody thinks that way so I think we’re all a bit guilty of thinking we’ve got more time with everyone than we do and that’s what I’ve been thinking about this weekend it’s such a tragedy but it yeah I mean, I don’t a ramble on its just amazing that none of us actually met him in person.
Horus: All right and I suppose maybe it’s extra going, because you did me Anne Marie Waters both of you well.
Nick: Good way to address the elephant in the room.
Dan (Iconoclast): Well it’s a thing I do I knew Simon and Anne Marie didn’t get on. But I don’t actually know the story as to why and I was hoping that he’d tell the story to me one day I may be told it somewhere else and I can watch it back but uh yeah thanks for that Horus that’s a nice reminder.
Horus: I, you know, it’s a few people I just assumed 100 percent assumed that I would have years more of sort of friendship and comradeship with him I just I know no salt that he wouldn’t be around and that’s probably just my self sentience upset at nature just I’ll just take the over granted sometimes in there he was certainly one is age didn’t occur to me and I just thought oh I said oh dear I thought he was [115:00] accelerating, you know,
Dan (Iconoclast): The thing is mate like yeah he’s 60 years old, but that’s not all these things that’s your I mean, my dad 60 years old my mom 60 years old. I don’t think if them is elderly, you know, that’s just not well that comes into my mind and Simon, you know, it’s enthusiasm and his energy every time you made a video, or whether he’s on a stream and his humour as well which is very honor underappreciated, by the way, his humour is sharp sense of humor which I really appreciate it you would never look at a guy like Simon and think oh he’s an older guy you just didn’t think about it at all and in our circles age doesn’t really come into it which is interesting, because in almost every other aspect of life that’s something that you would take note of and it would matter in some way but here especially with Simon none of us thought about that at all and like you said Horus you just assumed that you had a couple of decades left with him, you know, because he’s not it’s no age.
Horus: And he didn’t make much visa age. I don’t think he. I don’t think he felt out of place, or anything whatsoever I think I mean, there are a few like people I suppose in their 50s but he was one of the older ones I know you Shazier your friend James wills is one of the oldest people who was at the PA conference.
Shazia: [words unclear]
Horus: With me sorry you’re a bit muffled again.
Shazia: [words unclear]
Horus: Shows it’s very windy bang right. And yeah, I was pleased to meet him at the conference. But yeah, this, you know, buck age doesn’t seem to matter that much and just assumed it wouldn’t I don’t know if it did meirin-sama in him dying but he seemed like he was he had loads of things on the go he had loads of thoughts for the future he had loads of things he wanted to do he was publishing books he was writing a book had more video ideas than he could make and unlike me he never seemed to get too stressed about that he just did it. But I assure myself for not getting more things done but he was calm and steady which was really reassuring to be around and to talk to.
Nick: I think that is an age thing I think he had hit the point where he’s like right I’m going to decide what to give a fuck about and he sort of yeah he piled things into went there’s everything I don’t give a fuck about that can just go not gonna bother with that easy but he definitely seemed like he was in his stride then they, you know, it’s crazy we clipped a little bit of them I have last week stream for the end of vile and just the way he was saying I’ll see you next week really hit me in the guts it’s really nasty.
Dan (Iconoclast): Yeah, I think with a guy like Simon he people are saying the chat he was just coming into his stride and that’s true he and here’s the thing about him he had the confidence of a man who would live the life right I remember when I was speaking to him in 2017, of course, we’re talking about the Catalonia thing, because that’s what his passion was at the time the independence movement it’s quite funny actually if you look back at that video that we did together I think it’s still on my channel that must be, because at the time the Spanish police were cracking down on the Catalonia protests and, you know, proper Civ not attitudes from the pair of us we’re like yeah those Spanish police are a bit fascistic aren’t they, you know, I was like oh god it’s a bit cringe to watch now but Simon and I had a laugh about it on European Freedom a couple of weeks ago just how far we both came. But yeah, getting back to my original point there was he had the confidence of a man who lived a life and he did live a life I remember speaking to him about his youth and how he first found himself in Barcelona he was part of a band he was a musician I think he was a part of some sort of weird African bound to something there’s something very odd in a niche and I’m just like wow this guy he really tries a lot of stuff doesn’t he really puts himself out there he doesn’t give a shit in the best possible way and it’s that honesty that I think really shined through with Simon shine through in his content especially and when you’re just speaking to him likea, you know, like a person as a person and yeah, I think a lot can be learned from Simon as in his the way lived his life and he did lots of different things. And yeah, I mean, to get to 60 and still be really coming into your element and doing the best work that you’ve ever done I mean, it’s a testament to him it really is I couldn’t agree more.
Horus: And if there’s any last thing you want to say I want to introduce the Ayatollah.
Dan (Iconoclast): Oh no and the that’s fine for me mate yeah rest in peace Simon you will be missed you won’t be forgotten and the whole people are consuming this content [120:01] now I’m really appreciating it appreciating it in a different way and I think while I’m here I’ll just say that it’s probably a good idea if people start archiving his stuff just in case YouTube get some dodgy ideas I’m sure people already doing that I can’t imagine that they’re not. So I’m yes thanks for me on and good show and remember everyone you can still donate to the GoFundMe to help his family out suggest you do so thanks guys good night.
Horus: Thank you Dan speaking of Testaments to Sasana think biosolids avatar says something maybe you solve it solve a gesture towards the spirit of Simon in the last couple years welcome bother.
Ayatollah (representing TASOB)
Ayatollah: Evening all yeah I must confess on I’ve not been out beat and opened up a listen to the stream so I’ve literally just come on so I’ve missed it all. But yeah, tip to be honest I think I sort of I spoke for as all the absolute stated Britain really the other night, you know, after we got the news which was the most horrendous shock put together a bit of a tribute that went out on our Telegram Channel and, you know, sort of posted it through Twitter and we probably said it all there, you know, it was the point Dan made there about archiving his works a really important one, because it wasn’t just that it was really enjoyable I mean, Simon I’ve made this point elsewhere, you know, Simon really could have ready the small print on a car insurance policy and made it sound interesting, you know, all that a car alone and you would have been interested in like, you know, consumer finance having heard about it he was just that sort of bloke, you know, in all sort of facets in his delivery but it was the fact that the working a bit like what you’ve been doing Horus it was unique in that it was researched she was so informative and I always refer back to the stuff about the Protocols among other stuff. But obviously the publishing books it was. So there’s a lot responsibility in that and there’s a lot of discipline required, you know, you could do that sort of thing with that and necessarily be an interesting and enjoyable enjoyable but in Simon’s case it was, because he just had this way of doing things, you know, he was I could sort of suppose it’s what supposes what it’s for but I could sit here and wax lyrical without pausing for breath. But yeah, there’s plenty I could say.
Horus: I think the thing that you work.
Ayatollah: Yeah, it was within a couple of hours of us getting the news and I’m, you know, obviously the Shazia I sought first heard from Shazzer in one of the Telegram groups and shortly after midnight and it was I think I posted it about quarter to two in the morning.
Horus: Certainly came from within that could tell that immediately yeah, I think you were you spoke very aptly and that’s a sense that he didn’t have much difficulty writing that either that that was a sort of imagine that kind of ayatolla: I mean, as I said, at the time I said such a couple of people I was talking to at the time for a moment, you know what not a moment but for a very short time I felt a little bit better for having done it, you know, there was a small element of catharsis but even now you sort of have that thing where it’s all hit sure, you know, he’s not here anymore and it sort of comes back at you, you know, you’ll be thinking about other things and it comes back at you and you sort of think, you know, I still can’t quite believe it’s just so it’s so sudden and just the idea that he’s gone is its terrific. But yeah, I mean, at the other thing the point I made in there is and I’m sure this has been asked out over and over, because it will be true the vast majority of us particularly because I don’t think some ended in Bakke post, you know, back to the UK post post the process really have come in to really understand what we all understand which I think the Simon’s case was shortly after myself it was sort of the latter part of 2017 and in Simon’s case it was very public he was out there sort of producing commentary and what-have-you at that time and there’s a particular particular value valuing people who sort of make that step over in public view not just, because I bring people with him but it’s sort of instructive as well but again, you know, like pretty much everybody else and we talked about this I think yesterday Horus, or possibly I think it was I think was last night, you know, having never got to meet and was just really sad and really frustrating, because he must be the most brilliant company company, you know, you think of the life he’d led and I sort of tried to lose to it briefly in the thing we put out it, you know, just LEDs such an interest in life with his involvement in music and all, you know, different sort of styles of music, you know, I think is the ban II was in Spain in Catalonia it had sort of songs in the charts and that he’d [125:00] obviously done it’s professionally got his academic background with psychology obviously is basically he wasn’t adopted Catalan. But then there was a certain sensibility that never left him it was sort of certain a certain grassroots old left working-class sensibility which still manifested itself in his nationalists efforts and it was just that I mean, what we expect we experienced this to agree really, because we I was desperate getting on the absolutely state of Britain and we tried a couple of times and in each case what once was just for Christmas and once was just after it ultimately didn’t come through, because we’re having technical problems and he didn’t suffer false by be and I say that as a compliment, you know, he was we announcers for the Falls for whatever reason, you know, the technical problems. I’m not really sure just never really work with the platform we would use him you knew where you stood with him that goes a long way, you know, I mean, I love going on the stream you think, you know, you were on with his briefly as well on New Year’s Eve and then Nick was on with me and to be honest. I mean, that that night really was it was predominately just like myself a Nick talking and Simon just really sort of sat back and I said after was I fill out a sort of hijack that he’s someone that’s what I wanted, you know, I’ve got got you both on, because I know you can talk and that was obviously really flattering, because in the year the year year and a half before think Post sort of understanding the obvious question he’d done more for me in terms of deepen and that understanding and the background to it than anybody with the stuff and the Protocols and various other things which is a big undertakings are sexy and I was doing a lot of research something like maybe bloody lazy to do but it was also just done interesting way, because he just got that sort of bearing with the life he led him with his just he was one of those people, you know, you got like a good radio broadcast his voice and just delivery and doing things he would have been such, you know, fantastic company, because I’m sure the stories he could tell them, you know, the anecdotes and things he could talk to you about the experiences his own life it was just it’s sort of cruel for us all really none of us ever really got to got to enjoy that.
Horus: I mentioned going to pass that I think the several people have said this yeah Sergio you in Simon’s sort of progression like intellectually ideologically, and so on, was like was linked wasn’t it at several different stages did you say,
Shazia: , you know what I really like to write and sales, or we were on the Queen song she had nickname of the same thing and then came and asked me when she had commitment and thankfully when I came in Simon Ward and it just appeared on Gab one day I hadn’t seen him on garb and he appeared and my dad saying Lane and I forward um and I commented London ever posted he’d written just as he had been doing and he just picked up from there and that’s really a same true kinship, you know, he it didn’t have any ill feeling towards me for not getting to live he was it was insane that make sense he just welcomes me.
Horus: Yeah done that for so many people and it’s funny what you said I saw her about I didn’t suffer fools gladly and I was gonna say as a sort of self flattery to us all that’s why he was surrounded by such high quality people he got rid of all the fools you.
Nick: Occasionally laid into one, or two people that really deserved it.
Ayatollah: Even then, you know, did so with real equanimity right up and so know right until the last weeks of his life, you know, did it in a very measured way that you just you couldn’t hockey with him on anything, you know,
Ayatollah: Oh yeah absolutely yeah but in there, you know, in the right way not in a sort of a feat pretentious way just honest and decent, you know, you would have known where you stood with him and that was a lovely, you know, on vile on something that was a lovely, you know, little thing you included at the end then he just summed him up nicely I love that photograph as well I’ve seen that photograph around, in fact, it was some it saw him posted a few weeks ago on Twitter and somebody retweeted it where he’s there and he’s probably in his post punk days with his with his red Stratocaster, you know, I love that.
Horus: We did we did put this up earlier my technical skills were absolutely novice. But I did put a picture up earlier at the style extreme if you watch your boat later yeah I can see Calamity and the chat has only just joined us but calamity if you want to see the picture we’re talking about you’ll see yeah there’s some extreme.
Ayatollah: I know Dionne did a bit of a stream this morning while his funeral was taking place not miss that as well unfortunately. But I hope his family understand that how much we valued him all and how kingly we felt his lost I mean, you yourself showers here in yourself for us particularly you obviously would have been, you know, even closer than most of us right now she talked to Simon that much. But I mean, I listened back a lot to a bit of the stream I was on with him with night if also office hours of we were a couple of the number of people that were on its Christmas Eve stream, you know, it’s just delight to be asked it’s one of those things, you know, you sort of I’ve not been doing this sort of thing that long it’s a lot less than a year and I’m just one bloke on a single podcast but when you get to that stage where people you’ve been listening to and learning an awful lot from them really enjoyed listening to for quite a while just sort of they treat you is just one of the people within the general effort and the general cause it’s quite a flattering thing and that was a good example of it but with the New Year’s Eve stream I was listening to that and again I was which is really sad listen to that list I think it was on probably on Saturday, or Sunday listen to Simon talking about the Christmas Eve had and how he’d been doing all the cooking and it gave him license to sort of veg P, you know, actually I wasn’t with her along for people and I just thought that Christmas at Simon’s something like that just must have been brilliant I mean, we would have made with the Patriotic Alternative conference obviously in we were all there weren’t we in March and I, you know, it’s such a shame you couldn’t have he couldn’t have made that.
Horus: Took dinnertime as an opportunity to drop his him being the cook had one of the lists we took the opportunity to drop red pill bombs yes I’m just speaking of speaking of tassel the first ever episode of tests of whatever listen see was with our next guest which is Morgoth’s who are will introduce. Now hello Morgoth.
Morgoth: Hello my.
Horus: Howdy welcome onto the tribute stream and yeah it is its do you have any what was your first encounter with Simon no.
Morgoth: Yeah well quite recently, because somebody’s fun has been sharing all of my old blog posts into an e-book which is in different parts and then Simon got in touch one for throwback saying that Blake would I like to have all of my old blog posts in an actual group which I got for myself and I just seemed like the most amazing thing ever and but I know yeah I get swamped with school and I was there that, yeah, so we were going to do that and they even sent me like it came to graph our graphic thing, you know, they assured me what at what were would look like having a logo of solid hardback book of all muled edgy blog posts and it’s I might still get that doing just as a legal little thing, but Sam thoroughly to thoroughly decent glucose I’m so happy and I think one they just looking at the movement over the last year and a half after I remember what it was much angrier and more prone to late for burglary and over the last year and a half of years begin normal I which is, of course, what have we always wanted it’s always about waking the norm ezel and for me I was happy about that I was happy about this normalization process, because you are getting more normal people coming in and for me Simon how it was the thing is so fun, because here you actually had the floor but in his face are you serious he was chatting away yeah he actually had the blue he’d like to have a pint with us as part of the movement and, you know, instead of instead of just always the most hardcore takes and I really like that, because then you can get the information you can get the idea okay and I think once you begin that normalization process it becomes much more difficult to stop and so Simon was for me that’s for the fierce of that happening then I really like I like them as well I only spoke to him actually on a live stream couple of weeks back with his new house under heat.
Horus: Yeah it’s just a sound going through and through and like had the effect of normalizing things, because he was just very normal I think putting it like I mean, disarmingly so for our enemies I’m sure.
Nick: I want to add on I’m sorry what you said Morgoth now when I listen to the Protocols thing I it felt okay to be doing that, because it was Simon.
Morgoth: Yes that’s what you want you want it shortly you want the blue by you can sit in the pub within these years have you ever read this have you have you ever. What do you make of [135:00] that isn’t it a bit that’s this, because that really gets through to people and instead of little soul creaming it is a shock horror yo gonna be blown away by this and I’m so edgy and I’m so hard core and it’s much it gets much easier when you’ve got people like Simon and they’re hidden to see nothing I’ll be playing at all night here.
Horus: Now that you say that as well I realize how much you like to put questions other people as well right, because that is generally the way to have a good a good conversation to encourage yeah.
Shazia: Morgoth [words unclear]
Morgoth: I wasn’t even aware that he did that I didn’t know anybody could do that, because I’m a Greek I’m still amazed that my old blog is still up there and Here I am real easy as Lyon you’ve got this philosophy this on Syria would you like to put them all into a hardback it’s a yeah that would be amazing what I’m probably I’m kind of determined to do it now and just as a salt little thing for saying he’s you. Is it mogul for the movies is an e-book as well wasn’t it yeah there’s I think that’s for all around we just did my greatest hits which they ended up edit a George on Twitter and put together there’s a book where it’s all my reviews of the movies and stuff and then it’s all new stuff the deer. But yeah, it’s Simon’s I had to want a bubble honorable Mike.
Horus: No no but he was a he was a lover of books I’m sure he would appreciate that he obviously appreciated you’ll he obviously was an admirer of your work as I think that’s yeah we were, you know, I don’t want to relate everything to the movement. But yeah, we have he’s like having the floor taking out from under us in some ways like oh that’s a pretty disparaging way of putting it angle at the floor but, you know, he was a it was a mainstay, you know, he was a continuing sort of fella influence, you know, he was a steady kind of person.
Ayatollah: That’s the thing I mean, another in that respect yeah, he was as for the reasons was talked about I mean, it made a great point there as well just about normalizing things which in their substance are controversial, because the person and Morgoth sort of the same sort of thing, because the person delivering the information actually seems like a decent likable like, you know, well-adjusted bloke to put it mildly and Simon’s case he was pretty exception one of the things he died in his life it makes it more accessible and in that respect he was exactly the sort of person you want in this thing and another point I would make and I’m sure this has been made already, because I think I’m not sure if it was Dan as in the iconic last video, or whether it was Keith. But one of the video tributes that came out on Saturday that I listened to if somebody made the point that I mean, Simon Simon wasn’t in this thing that long, you know, it’s two and a half years I mean, he’s obviously doing things before based on, you know, demographic changes he’d seen in Catalonia and I think on visits back to the UK as well but you don’t even this thing two and a half years. Now when he sort of had the change in views he did he would have been 57 now, you know, there are, you know, you get these studies that you’re showing how very few people will radically change their views in foundational terms past a certain age just sort of doesn’t happen so it’s really and I’m sure the points been made already but it’s testament to him that he did that, because a lot of people like, you know, they just sort of shut it out I suppose, you know, at that at that time in their lives with them I sound condescending. But I don’t mean it in that way at all, you know, there aren’t necessarily many people that would just radically reassess everything and then not I mean, to actually do that at all is credit enough. But then to actually turn that sort of change in understanding to producing the sort of material and importantly the sort of research he did yeah it just made him valuable in a way that was sort of unique, because as we’ve all said that the work he was doing it’s not like, you know, it wasn’t like say something like we do which is just, you know, basically an audio version of what people have to say on Twitter about things, or whatever it’s not that high effort, you know, you read a couple of articles you maybe make some should go on you talk about it for a couple of hours you stick it out it’s like actually researching things and doing research other people haven’t [140:01] necessarily done yeah but.
Horus: Just before I introduce our next guest, I’m just gonna read that one more of these quotes from something that we’re doing me Jesus is putting up and one was oh yeah if history teaches us anything great civilizations fall when the people become decadent and self-indulgent and I no longer prepared to fight for their own survival that’s not directly relevant to what we was just said. But I think there’s another bit of quadrant I am now going to ask, for example, mind just if our next guest turns up after Jack they know I’m gonna have to keep gratis to make space but.
Ayatollah: Yes certainly I was just about to saying the little little stream chat yeah just don’t me when I be ready but stay on as long as you want.
Morgoth: But yeah, people Ayatollahh on allow you can get rid of me.
Horus: All right well that provisional good worth you both and thank you very, very much coming down.
Morgoth: They’re obviously I see a restful few same engraved looks where tragic you see you go.
Ayatollah: Brett rest easy might see in Valhalla.
Horus: Alright thank you guys and welcome Jack what and how you doing mate.
Jack Hwite: I’ve been alright thanks for having me on and really appreciate being invited there probably a lot of people that are deserve to be invited much more than me I’m not very good at this thing so if I choke up, or something it’s not, because I’m sentimental, or anything it’s just kind of nervous oh I do carry my eyes actually a tear it’s in a something in my eye so um. But yeah, thanks for having me on I really appreciated I don’t know why this has had it said so my name is so hard.
Horus: But yeah, well the reason I mean, we had to select people I mean, this is dozens and dozens of people come on I remember you were on the was it the Christmas so.
Jack Hwite: Yeah actually on the Christmas I think I spoke to like all three you guys on the Christmas room like.
Nick: I remember it.
Jack Hwite: Unwashed Jersey and I think Jackson that guy well.
Horus: Was all Jackson will be on again I believe YouKipper was on that stream as well and he’ll be on shortly as well and yeah, it was a merry night I remember I was drinking rum I went on another stream straight off to his I was fairly.
Jack Hwite: Yeah I always have to have a couple of beers before I do this stuff, because I’m not really a streamer like this stuff sort of makes me nervous almost.
Horus: You are a singer right yeah, so is Unwashed oh.
Nick: I’m more nervous about that one they I hope I really want to point people towards them but the collab with Fornell that you’ve done, because he’s such an anthem I want to make sure as many people hear that as the higher thing serious one.
Jack Hwite: Yeah on the mixtape you sort of turned me into a god with that remix he did and he’s done a lot of really crits like a lot of our artists hopefully he does more he’s a real workhorse as well.
Horus: I don’t know if he’s nothing if he saw a show last week Nick was on with Jeff Winston I assume, you know, you must know.
Jack Hwite: Of course. Yeah he’s my he’s like my boss he’s like what. Now. He’s a good friend of mine a good colleague yeah I mean, I thought that show was amazing and um it’s kind of I think Simon did as well, you know, you guys have done like really great shows this year and um, you know, the Ryan fuck one comes to mind I thought that was amazing, because I thought that guy was gone like but, you know, to and behold he turns up, you know, with you in Simon.
Horus: And Simon said that apparently that was just, because they were they’d been friends on Facebook from some years before and he just got back inside he just got he just tried he just messaged Ryan out of the blue and runs like yep yep sure. So I don’t know if that was, because Ryan knew of a show, or he just fancied going on something, or anything I’m not sure but when he did come one he was an absolute blast I mean,
Jack Hwite: Yeah and he used to create really good content but he sort of like disappeared I think I’m pretty sure I’m friends with him on Facebook as well he’s sort of like.
Horus: He’s cookie no he does not smooth I don’t know if, you know, about that he’s got a channel called Knights move was in the chess move.
Jack Hwite: Right now I don’t know about that. But I love that stream I thought that was amazing as like holy hell like this guy’s back and you guys did the one with like Nick a big respect for that. I don’t think anybody really wanted to touch that but, you know, it’s a testament to Simon’s sort of a nurse sort of journalistic sort of impulse.
Horus: I’ll give all the credits that for Simon I had no input I mean, I made the occasional suggestion. And if I if I’m a dummy it was up for what suggested by EE pretty much always as soon as one show was done he had no idea what we wanted to do for the next one yeah I mean, it was he really had his finger on the pulse as Nick said meant to go like especially the last few months he was whatever was causing any sort of disturbance, or intrigue, or curiosity in the general movement he would go there is say well let’s talk to that person, or go over that thing it was.
Jack Hwite: Yeah the one the one you did with like I’m obviously biased, because like I’m associated with the sort of the White I collected the White lacquer but, you know, that interview was just so amazing on, you know, he felt the same way as well, because um I sort of he was in our White Art Collective group on Facebook and he was posting that he actually, you know, before the show he was asking people like in the group watch we talked about he was looking for input he was like totally open to that kind of thing and then when he posted the link, you know, I sort of pinned it and it’s very this is God branching it was probably like one of there’s probably his last post, or one of his last posts on Facebook I think like but, you know, after the interview I guess like he’s and he’s a kind of early bird he goes to bed early right so, you know, he commented on that that post that I pinned in the group and he said, you know, I hope you guys like that and he said he just said like he felt really optimistic about the future, you know, he said I feel really optimistic about the future and, you know, two days later, you know,
Horus: This was lost chase limbs it.
Jack Hwite: This was Tuesday night I believe he made that comment just after the show I guess before he went to bed, you know, said how optimistic he sort of felt, you know, about the community and um we wanted to work with him, you know, he was a musician it made total sense that he would work more with that side of things and it would have been awesome and I saw a darkest guy in the chat I know they worked together on some stuff like music music kind of stuff I didn’t know that until this week, because um he put up like there’s sort of musical collaborations I did with Simon and whatnot I recommend people like check those eyes but it would have been awesome to we were sort of making plans and, you know, like I said like I didn’t know him that well, you know, and what’s really become really clear is like nobody really like you guys obviously were like close to a man I’m really sorry for that, but and it was like I sort of feel like I was becoming friends with him and uh, you know, we were gonna, you know, people were making plans and everybody has had this sort of fantasy that they were just like meet him and like go to the pub and he talked about, you know, I was cooking and like we heard all night like we did on that shot, you know, tell you about his like des and punk and stuff and we really hope to work with them a lot more and like maybe get him back into music and stuff yes it’s really sad.
Horus: Well I’m being a man of absolutely no musical skill myself the one thing I can do to contribute to what I think he intended with his link-up with you and why our collective, and so on, is just to say to everyone watching check out their work, because I mean, I’m someone who’s only fairly dimly aware I’ve heard a couple of your songs a jacket. But I know serious I know about a couple of high risks [150:01] other than if I’m standing right there her songs and little Alps that I just say them I mean, the more they shouldn’t even be such a thing as the political side and the cultural side. But there is this like extend the more we can do to mutually just engage with and support each other the better and the more we’ll get out of each other and more will spread it to new people as well.
Jack Hwite: So another thing with Simon though like he like yeah I mean, I knew about Simon like maybe a couple of years ago and stuff I think I first came across him like I was looking for answers and I was monster like the Red Ice sort of interviews our Cubs I think I watched think that’s where I first saw him being interviewed I think it was very nice and he was on his own journey and sort of I was on mine and um but uh it sort of in the last sort of years, or so, I started paying a lot more attention to him with, you know, obviously like the sort of the Tommy Wars I thought that was wonderful he was one he was one of the main renegades along with yourself Shazia and actually the reason I think I came to his attention was really through Dionne I met her at the first PA conference and um along with I know Nick did as well though I didn’t make it though I actually did meet Nick there like personally. But I know he was there and
Horus: I was there as well I didn’t meet you Jack um where.
Jack Hwite: You read the first one.
Horus: Sorry no sorry doll was no I was at the second one no I was always mine why my awakening a certain kind was a little too late I should just, at this point, just begin to introduce our next guest as well as you keep on but Jackie.
Jack Hwite: Three words and then like bail.
Horus: Yeah, of course, and you’re welcome to stay on until what until we get to full and I’ve got to bring on, you know, another guest. But yeah, whatever you’d like to say to finish off.
Jack Hwite: Yeah I just like to end it on a, you know, yeah, you know, this is a sort of a really big loss, you know, a lot of people had sort of plans it’s a big loss for the community and um a community that’s really sort of come to life and that Simon really helped to build and sort of contributed like so much to and he had so much more to give I think, you know, and I think we feel sort of robbed a little bit by that, because yeah um but on a positive note I would just say that in a relatively sort of short period of time like he accomplished so much and, you know, more than many people will probably accomplish in a lifetime. And then he went all the way and uh, you know, the truth was sort of his compass and he red pilled himself and then he red pilled sort of many others and the blossoming sort of community that we have now is sort of largely thanks to Simon and others like him so I just say like cheers Simon and, you know,
Horus: He’ll he really did play a big role in just incurring things for there’s no doubt about it so well said magnet and thanks a lot for coming on and so you’re welcome to stay on until we need to make space, you know, so.
Jack Hwite: No but thank you guys so much for having me on really.
Horus: Thanks a lot Jack cheers mate. And welcome YouKipper. how are you doing?
YouKipper: I’m not doing too bad and I just thought the same but the streams being fantastic and you really have done Simon proud so well done that everyone who was being on so far it’s been really good with them.
Horus: I’ll say a big world on such as your and Nick for that you.
Nick: Had the range man.
Horus: I’m delighted there was enjoy in it. But yeah, you kept but you were on the stream on Christmas Eve was it yeah Christmas Eve.
YouKipper: Yeah yeah, it was Christmas even I have to say was I was surprised, because just out of the blue I’ve got a message from Simon saying he was just a bunch of people out on for Christmas tour getting it was solving in contrast with Millennial he was having this, or big sort of almost like the parties kind of stream I guess but these to be like that back in the day when things were a lot less organized so I sort of enjoyed the chaos that you saw brought back with it. But yeah in terms of my first interaction with Simon I’m a pear was quite a while back on Gab I thought we use anymore I should be honest were our [155:02] own Gavin was funny, because I at that time I was still quite a big proponent of UKIP and Gerald bans regime, so to speak, in they dropped a pretty decent London Vestal if I say so myself and I remember Simon for our video where as I usually would he methodically sort of dissect of a piece by piece, you know, as he would with all these other verticals if it could go on for god knows how long yeah I remember he died second bit and I was like there please actually come at it from a nationalist perspective and given the sort of the jew deserves the they it deserved it was a pretty piece of manifesto. So I’m um I think and thinking myself he was pretty switched on, because he was sort of going against the green at that times I know I was when I was. So I’m sort of surprised to have an ally in Simon, so to speak, hey.
Horus: Yeah I mean, I still have some sort of fondness for cherub but nothing that I think that he is someone who is, or ideas are somewhat muddled but.
YouKipper: Very muddled.
Horus: Sighs in yeah and he still does the thing of using fascist as an insult to describe other name, you know, leftists oh well it’s kind of daft but.
YouKipper: See this is the essentially the term fascist it does have a modern-day connotation doesn’t it would be an honest fascism is sort of taken on that turn but in the sense the jew-rod button is right we’re wrong by being these sort of autistic dictionary actually take it seriously I mean, if it being sort of honest about it maybe those people who use fascism in that sense all right in so in this content for every sense it’s your will.
Horus: Yeah and even if we disagree with him we’ve got to meet them somewhere so even if we’re just trying to guide them somewhere else, you know, speaking of Gab Shazia as well I don’t know whether she has a secret Twitter account but she she’s a gap a gap aficionado.
Shazia: Who’s no writer coming back on as my field, you know, it’s really there’s something Jungian about able to close forever I want anything and being able to compliment form and take out enough not things of been good no.
Horus: I couldn’t agree more, because I don’t use it a hardly at all at the moment, because I’m getting a lot of that on Twitter. But I still know that at some point someone perhaps someone of middle-eastern ancestry is going to get me banned from Twitter and, you know, that is gonna happen at some point, because I’ll just piss off the wrong person I know I want to start naming names. But I can think of the kind of people who go after me so and the Gab is there for us, you know, it’s a back channel if nothing else to you it’s your front channel which as your isn’t it but, you know what Simon active on cap buy-in in the past then.
YouKipper: He definitely was buckler and as far as I can tell I know that’s where I first interacted with him anyway.
Shazia: [words unclear]
Horus: It’s kind of like our home base and we go out on raids into Twitter I’m just not a particularly long and bloody one I think just.
YouKipper: Yes actually Missy the way Is the gap sort of there’s something to fall back on oh isn’t it like if for some reason Michael on Twitter cause I could just sort of retreat back big gap in a sense yeah.
Horus: Well we’re doing an extended commando right behind enemy lines but at some point I’m gonna get strung up and then, you know. But yeah, that Christmas stream was happy chaos wasn’t it was I love that kind of here when he’s thought about what mark says you’re gonna do tomorrow night like an open house ping anyone can just, you know, say hi I’m backstage, you know, and jump on and like I love that especially when you better you got a drink in hand and there’s a what, you know, holiday atmosphere and stuff and I mean, it’s a sad time that it’s happening now but on the other end I know you saw a man would whoa I can’t speak for him boy oh I imagine he would be very pleased to see us having a laugh, you know, we’re thinking of him and wherever the laugh a same song I think it’s in the spirit of what he did and I couldn’t remember a time when any time I logged on the YouTube Simon’s videos would without fail be in the recommended if you have that like all the time, or expiry would always be there.
Horus: Yeah very often not as often as Jordan Peterson and CNN. But yeah, I mean, that’s someone that’s not fiddling, but yes, Simon’s was there, because of quality it was this absolutely true. I’m gonna start to introduce our next guest Chris but you keep her if there’s anything else you want to say and you’re welcome to style until we, you know, it’s we’ll need the space but, you know,
YouKipper: That’s it. But I would just like to say rest in peace — Simon I think I speak for everyone when I say that it’s just kind of just left me to be to us and just sort of scratching my head and wondering, you know, if things sort of great other politics and the things that are generally go on in our sphere and all the pettiness and all that all that arguing all the infighting and all, you know, and I’m Simon would be the kind of person who would want to put that all the bed so I suppose I could see anything it would be but put all the daft in fine neuroscientists see if anything in there yeah good night and God bless.
Horus: Cheers my and yeah if thinking of him helps us turn our attention towards not just victory but whatever lies above, or beyond us, or it’ll still be doing as a service even in even in death so yeah well said my earth I couldn’t agree more and we miss him but we thank him, you know, Chris welcome mate how you doing?
Chris (Patriotic Talk)
Chris (Patriotic Talk): Hello mate yeah heavy okay.
Horus: Yeah he’s fine yeah.
Chris (Patriotic Talk): Well I just before we move on to Simon Harris god bless his top soul I would like to thank her the previous guest is been a magnificent show the audience been brilliant as always and especially free, because I’m gonna show last night my tribute show the pursuit Patriotic Talk shown he was very tough to do that since iguana schlong guys I applaud you all so I would like the audience to put a 14 in the chat for Horus Unwashed and Shelia.
Horus: It’s actually not been a least there’s so many people who wanna speak it’s not been any struggle it’s always just so many good people I so we have to select people as well I mean, we could have had Gardens more.
Chris (Patriotic Talk): I know it’s tough it’s good to see the forties in the chat to you guys. But if song I was on his deathbed right now I’m sure he would want us all to remain positive as much as it hurts our heart it was its been such a tough few days we have to remain positive we have to keep going for this guy just what a brilliant man I’m not like I wasn’t as close to him as I was we as you guys was with him, of course. But I got that sense if he was if he remained a lot longer than we would think I’m very close we had such a gun bonding that the two months we got to know each other he was our guest last week on the Patriotic Talk show he won the quays as well so I mean, it’s not hard against my advice and Charlie, of course, but he still he still won the quiz he smashed the Cui’s I mean, the bouncer here Ybor to that show last week was fantastic, because obviously, you know, our show we bring a pub stall atmosphere we do have our serious topics, of course, but we got two other laughs and he just feed him so well and I really miss him and again guys credit to you guys, because you missed a lot closer to him and then I was and I really struggled yesterday so much quickly to you guys for putting on tonight’s show.
Horus: Hey you Simon was one that was I think the last kiss that you’ve had on Patriotic Talk show and I was I think the first is that right.
Chris (Patriotic Talk): She was a first.
Horus: Yeah and I was then I beat Charlie in the quiz.
Chris (Patriotic Talk): Yeah but everybody beats Charlie for yeah, it was brilliant I’m just absolutely devastated like during the quiz he was going on my rants about the Protocols I’m not gonna say too much I don’t like that you should go he logs a little bit more freedom but he’s good on the ROI Transbay I have actually I mean, that meat doesn’t download in last week stream. So I’m gonna be putting that. But then, if you want to use it Horus, or any advice if you want to watch three but I’m in the middle of downtown and it right now as we speak he’s only sure.
Horus: I meant to suggest I’d never go rancid I meant to say to you we could.
Chris (Patriotic Talk): Broadcast this one live on the — live as well as I stuff this one to the laptop so it’s been, or caste there was 50 people watching paying a visit bet server yeah it’s been good it’s big I know it’s such a shame like I don’t all three of you actually took part we’ve done the community of nationalism videos I’m sure you guys remember song Harris two-part it will be played on PWR tomorrow. But one of the last lines he said was I’ve got a few years left in me anyway and I wore a noble die with my boots on which it kind of caught me to hear those words he only said those words like Oh two weeks ago three weeks ago so that was kind of deep, or as I said, we’ve got to keep pushing [165:02] on the message, because I’m sure that’s what he wanted one of us to do it.
Horus: Nice amazing me said that means he assumed the same that I did then, because I just thought there’s no way he’s going anywhere well I never thought that even that never occurred to me, you know,
Chris (Patriotic Talk): Yes it’s a Christ experience, because obviously on Monday using such holy spirit such a laughing matter I think he, you know, I’ve had my quiz he’s very serious and he was ranting and raving about his Protocols and come on Simon get your head in the game we have to focus on the quiz and he went on the moan and then he’s like hey you could interrupt the quiz all you want an icon and obviously all in good fun sir but he bought us it was such a fantastic show last week alone and then just about two days I say was in our chat we was gonna do the karaoke which he was go to starring unfortunately that didn’t take place that’s a story for another day. But yeah, and he just came to Chancellor Phil I go by truck today and that was the last we heard of him oh absolutely devastated but we have to remain positive guys we but the best thing of you ease the nationís community the togetherness was bought I mean, from the last time a chassis was 3118 apparent we raise for Simon’s family which was fantastic keep donating guys it would mean a lot and, of course, on Thursday night over on Gaylord pagelet seesaw with hosting a quiz the Patriotic Alternative versus the top guys so I’ve been marking more reverses Ayatollahh euro and nice of his inner Cui’s we all try and make some fun of its not gonna be all sad and try and raise more money for that family.
Horus: That’s great let me know this I listen to your tribute show last night and that was a very nice no it looks like it’s a week of my remembrance and appreciation and it.
Chris (Patriotic Talk): Sure that’s a given us loose movement any obscene everyone Paul together finished man really makes me feel proud and unfortunately we have lost him and I’m sure that he’s looking over us right now is sMarting that we are going to take this a step further now and we’re going to do everything in his name and his family’s name and everyone involved even if you’ve not been on the show it’s all you should be proud of yourselves.
Horus: Thinks I’d see anything you want to say shows your Nick.
Shazia: It just I like what you’re generally thank you for Kristen for us tonight, because it has been heard of them on in Boston a good idea. So yeah, I’m looking forward to.
Chris (Patriotic Talk): Yeah I mean, I do remember no comment on the show last week obviously he’s wiping ways to see the Sun and one of the fuzziness it the pressure was on cookie I was just the moment she left are just open teens of food probably probably put in the microwave and what learn yeah proper man problem man and I just well what a legend but I’m just so I am devastated gots known focus I do believe he’s that con is such a fantastic family man and I think everyone would just look up to him as the father they never had a sort of thing just war bloke I can’t just it’s only after a few months I can’t be specimen orphans going they did make it to the conference but what a fantastic speech he also gave.
Horus: Well said main yeah I mean, the speech we mentioned earlier but he couldn’t hear us but it was as though he could, you know, be interested he had a natural way of speaking very, very natural and there’s some sort of it was it Nick there was someone said oh the other, you know, you would have been good on the radio why did do radio shows embossed owner I believe, you know,
Chris (Patriotic Talk): The Yanks me she’s been fantastic I don’t know obviously Dionne bless her sold and a great little tribute this morning the candle lit a little prairie and I actually do live that stream myself I started off with us on Harry song played her YouTube video then ended with another song and Harry song and also his music he’s brilliant wasn’t it so he wrote some of these songs so you had a good taste in music so much credit to him just go eat that we’ve lost him so vile a but we have to keep positive guys everything that we do now from now on has to be done in the name of him and we just got to get ourselves off and go again that’s the best we can do.
Horus: I think so too mate I’m going to introduce our next guest who’s Jackson. But if there’s any last thing you want to say then.
Chris (Patriotic Talk): No I just my condolences to the Harris family and whatever the other [170:00] names are I really hope you can get over these some pick ourselves up he will be looking down on you and protecting your family and, of course, the nationalist movement again thank you to Horus on Washington’s idea for putting on an excellent stream so proud of you guys, because I know how hard this would have been for you guys so again guys thank you rest in peace Simon Harris and much love to you all.
Horus: Having so many people want to come on and say touching and lovely things makes it a lot easier cheers Chris.
Chris (Patriotic Talk): Thank you guys. Enjoy the rest of your night and on all will listen to the rest may resonate peace out.
Horus: Speak to you soon speeches thing and church and welcome mate how you doing tonight?
Jacktion: Evening mate and yeah first of all just want to say my condolences to you I know you too were quite close were together a lot, you know, I must be fuckin horrible.
Horus: I love the guy he was brilliant to a private I haven’t really accepted it yet but, you know, I’ll swallow it bit by bit name for that I mean, got the same. So I’m others others, you know, I think everyone’s yeah a lot of people hurtin is well I mean, uh in a funny way I mean, mark marks it’s mean are common for but not I mean, I didn’t even have that either I never added him on Facebook this is a much that’s I can put Romney didn’t have his phone number it’s a find that from other people so he we really had a meeting of minds I think that’s what it was for meaning but suddenly realizing that he’s gone but it does hit me emotionally unless, you know, it’s horrible but we did a great show when you came on and that, of course, was when the fire was just beginning to become an amazing talked about out and weeks about as spiritual as well.
Jacktion: Yeah it was we spoke quite a bit about the virus funnily enough and he was actually the first guest when I started streaming I said why would anyone be up for coming on and we’d sort of thought of each other on Twitter for a bit bad and really interacted so he said to me yeah but I’d be happy to come on. What do you want to talk about my sort would I got fucking close I don’t really have a structure for it and what I remember that really fondly was I was talking to him and then I happened to ask him what the fuck was the Catalonian independence thing about and he was just so knowledgeable and then the whole sort was strained ended up with us just talking about Franco and primo de Rivera which, you know, it was always a bit of trouble getting him to say the whole name I remember booing that there was a laugh the yeah and I remember sitting there, the whole time and it was I really don’t want to sound condescending to him and it’s also have nothing but respect to the man but he was so sort of approachable to me he reminded me everyone’s got that’s a well, you know, that’s all older patriarchal figure in the family that you can soar Garland sit live and you’ll just learn things, you know, from their life experience, or what have you and I’m yeah the whole time just talking about and I come away and it’s all like I just read a fucking book, you know, it was there.
Horus: I listen to my stream as well it was superb yeah and I yeah I seem to remember it’s awfully delved in C so you swerved into Spanish history and really hard and it illuminates oh it was clearly something he was keen to talk about, you know, I mean, well this is what he was working on when it when he thought it as well as his, you know,
Jacktion: Yeah I was going to ask about that as well I know he was translate and I think it was some of the works of the Rivera and he was translating them to English and I sort of had so many talents I just thought this isn’t something that’s lost with him I hope someone is able to sort carry on his good works there and especially with all the things he’s done with the movement in particular as well even though I don’t really consider myself to be a part of it oh you think so we’ll see how unifying he was, because even things you disagreed with him about even things where, you know, I know that we didn’t see eye to eye. And when he asked me about them it was never like you were on the spot it was a man that was genuinely, you know, I just wanted to learn more.
Horus: That’s right yeah they really I mean, it was like I mean, it was conversation with a cloud plus one it was less less less figure this well this brings some illumination to this yeah let’s this find out what these ideas were about yes so Valley bought this and it’s so enjoyable with this all I spending my [175:01] time I mean, I’ve spent so my life were of it, you know, friends who are really like your loads of ways I really enjoy their company but they’re not in some way intellectual stuff but Simon absolutely was I mean, 30 and that’s our we went from not knowing anything about each other’s doing a show together in the space of a few weeks and he just seemed completely natural development as well so it’s just this brilliant scenario that’s worth I suppose why I felt more shocked than sad the last few days and what it is that I, you know, I’ve lost him in the sense that he was with us and now he’s not in but in the same way sorry in another way at least we knew him, you know, at least we did know him and at least we had what we did have and that’s the bright side of it. I mean,
Jacktion: No one can argue that he’s left a legacy there this I mean, I’m not gonna lie I caught myself when I sort of comeback started looking at the political stuff of YouTube again I saw a lot of his interviews I was Nick Griffin and some of the other ones he channel okay that’s going to be something I’ll catch up with him and I think the very next day I looked on Twitter and I can remember the buyers name sorry but he broke in the nose and I was just shot and I was watching the Christmas string the other day and I’m not gonna lie Bobby fucking jokes I’ve seen him there with his father Christmas hat on it was another case of where, you know, some of the conversation some of the things he talked about it was I think we ended up somehow I think Charlie was on this one as well and I know one washe was and yeah, I think it ended up I learned something about a Norwegian, or Scandinavian whatever folks how about a man who comes and shits in your chimney if you’ve been all especially when you’ve had a few drinks as well it was a really enjoyable Christmas stream and, you know, yeah, it was a complete sort of contrast to Millennial and he really come well with what he set out to go there.
Horus: It was really good I was on that one as well, because I remember you and me went on Bruce history office we said some relations and many others were always we weren’t going through.
Jacktion: Yeah that’s another thing I know even when I watched them his criticisms of Brutus and that he seemed like took him apart but in such a way this are so fucking respectful and it was coming from a point of its um it’s a talent I would completely lack I will just as you probably heard was on their Springs start come in the mouth but, you know, goodness it was a so sort of level-headed about it and it’s something that was something we’ll definitely been aided in the future wherever the movement happens to go that’s a talent that um it’s gonna be sorely sorely missed. But, …
Nick: I say no one knew how to tackle the Brutus situation no one everyone was like one earth do you do about this and Simon pulled out this hat.
Jacktion: Fire fire and Rehab is what you various but they’re fuckin it’s not about them no it’s genuinely alright I think than know him like as well as you guys did but I’ve never, you know, had a bad word to say about it even long things we’ve disagreed about it’s always been by completely respectful and, you know, not I’ve been really know him well enough to consider him a friend. But I remember I think it was post dream one so I said like, you know, next time you’re back in Blighty death and let you let me know and I’ll definitely like to have a beer with you.
Horus: Yeah I thought through about matters of faith at all we did on a screen Emory yeah I’ve got a couple of DMs. Jerry asked me some questions and I really wish I died not try I wish I’d learn it a bit more but it was kind of the time where I was just crying winding down from YouTube and man uh I couldn’t really answer him but I’m hoping like sort of closer and towards the end I don’t know he was definitely interested we spoke to fair a bit like when we was on the streaming when there and I’d know he was definitely sympathetic to the five. So yeah, I’m hoping I’m definitely like them at the time that it definitely on some sort of path in that direction no doubt about that.
Jacktion: He was my Vande happens from there that’s up to God yeah I don’t know the man shot by another man’s man but I’m oh, you know, he [180:01] seems to have a full life I know he leaves behind a ball up and a wife as well I believe.
Horus: And having each of this that’s good all right well Jack I’m good Jack. So I’m just going to introduce the next guest.
Shazia: [words unclear]
Horus: Jason if there’s anything you want to say yeah and I just want to say.
Jacktion: I’m really glad to hear that oh um he’s doing really well I’ll tweet their first moments of that as well. Yeah no we have lost a really good bloke I’m genuinely gutted as I’m sure all of us are and yeah he’s gonna be my prayers so I encourage you to do the same.
Horus: Thanks for the injection cheers make no drop off as you wish but.
Jacktion: No I’m gonna drop off thank you very much for having me on you’ve done a really good trip you to the amount of I’m sure we definitely be happy with its all yeah that’s big respects what were you so that.
Horus: Cheers mate. Thanks a lot James.
Jacktion: Cheers mate have a good one.
Horus: Jason welcome. How you doing?
Jason Köhne (No White Guilt)
Jason (NWG): I’m good and I just want to say to you all first right out of the gate a big thank you to everyone who has participated everyone who put this together this tribute to Simon it means a lot to me I know it’s gonna mean a lot to all of those of you who put it together and everyone who is watching and we’ll watch and replay so I a deep thank you to every single one of you and I condole with Simon’s family members I can deal with everyone who cared about him it’s been quite a shock it’s been tragic to learn about this sudden passing and I guess potentially as a consequence of something that could not have happened had we been in control of our destiny I know you all are going the distance tonight having a lot of people on and I’ve been loquacious already quite a bit on Simon on my own stream so I don’t want to take up too much time.
But I will just I won’t I do want to jump in and say that Mr George and I came across Simon some time back and we watched him we enjoyed his content we enjoyed his intelligence and his integrity his pursuit of the truth despite what might have been uncomfortable too many people do not demonstrate such integrity their characters are not as good and he pursued the truth he cared about his people and that we think is the highest acclaim the highest and most honorable thing that we can say about a man, or woman especially given our circumstances today he cared about his people and he moved toward the truth with that as a guiding principle and he was willing to admit where he was wrong and willing to look places that others were not necessarily willing to look he had a heart of gold the things he said that were the kind of things that we all just sort of uncured advice we all look for and that’s how it was delivered and that’s how it was received.
And that’s why not only him as a person but him too White well-being is such a big loss, because he was able to speak to so many in that avuncular way that is so rare a man that we all easily developed a liking for was amiable and uniformly anyone who spoke with him wanted to end up at a pub with him, or at his home we talked about that Mr George and I and Simon plenty of times [185:00] we had him over on tap numerous times and he was a fan of taffy watched tap and he would make comments to us the final shows about that we had with him we touched upon some very of personal issues that he hadn’t touched upon before and that we’ve been able to do with quite a few guests over a tap is a dig in some places where they haven’t revealed things revealed revealing some secrets revealing some raw areas in their lives and he dug right down into the story of his daughter and the separation this inability to build memories with her and that was one of the things that was so crushing for me when I learned about his sudden passing along with feeling like I was had abruptly had a friend snatched from me and along with thinking about him as a man as a person and having his life snatched from him so young still so young were the thoughts about the memories that he was trying to make with his daughter this starting this past November being reunited discovering that she had anti-White some anti-White sentiments, because she’s growing up in an anti-White world and he got right to work and in pure love and you could tell it was coming straight from the heart he said as much and he worked every minute I believe in that time from their reunion all the way up into his passing to build those memories that they never had the opportunity to build so many of our young go without fathers so they go without mothers today most I think without fathers and this young woman my heart goes out to her obviously and Simon’s wife as I said, I can duel with them I know that all of those moments each and every one that she made with her father that are going to be gems that she will keep with her for the rest of her life I was absolutely shattered when I heard the news we were actually doing the garage party show that we do on Friday nights and p.m. Eastern Standard Time where we play music we play skits it’s meant to be a fun time Chuck Martell garage party and somebody wrote in the chat Simon Harris has died and, of course, having been in the White positive sphere for my whole life I immediately thought okay this is somebody who has shown up just to make this god-awful claim and to ruin the fun that we’re trying to have here at the garage party and the if, of course, Simon isn’t dead, of course, he’s not dead and so I wrote back in the live chat on that show please DM me and then that person did and said again yes I’m afraid he’s passed and other a couple others during the show said that they had heard as well and Mr George and I were furiously in the background trying to contact people reaching out to see is this true did we really just lose this guy that we thought this is a great friend and as I say, in the final time that we had contact with him we after the show when we talked about during the show getting together at some point future perhaps at his home for one of his meals where he drops these truth bombs that have been available that he talked about and really looking forward to that and then the part that was really tough was.
If you excuse me when he after the show he was so proud of that daughter in America and I’m sure it’s the same way elsewhere I’m sure it’s same in the UK and the rest of Western world when a parent is really proud of their child but it’s but it happens more so when they’re babies when they’re children when they’re very young they pull out their wallet, you know, they open up their purse and they’re like let me show and, of course, this is the way it used to be with all of us Graham now that everybody has their phones with the pictures on them and so they’ll open up the phone and they’ll show everybody look at the pictures of my of my baby look at here look at the pictures of my baby and he sent us pictures after the show of his daughter that he had finally been able to be reunited with.
Anyhow he was watching one of the taps episode tap episode if you folks watching don’t know what it is its the after-party that Mr George and I do and it’s usually toward the end of the week like a Thursday, or Friday, or Saturday it takes place, in fact, this coming Saturday we’re going to have the official launch for Prometheus rising and I’m gonna reference this in one second the standalone version of Prometheus rising and Simon like the story he watched the tap episodes where we talked with Laura Leigh we talked about Lord of the Rings and in conjunction with Lord of the Rings Prometheus rising which some of the fans of Prometheus rising have said is the White man’s and the White woman’s Lord of the Rings it’s the White the person the White positive persons Lord of the Rings and he watched one of one of those episodes and he ended up after watching the launching the episode making a video and at the beginning of the video he referenced watching tap and Mr Georgia myself and Laura-leigh and then he talked about when he was young and reading The Hobbit and then reading Lord of the Rings as a child and he noted that there was a song, or poem I guess that was supposed to be a song in the book I think it was in The Hobbit and he it was I think he said he was eight, or nine and he, or no he said he was eight, or nine and he felt like he couldn’t read any further into the book until he knew exactly what that song sounded like even though, you know, it’s just the words on the page so he said he sat at the end of the bed and made up the tune and sang the song and then he could proceed with the rest of the story and so he in this video he said all of these years later as a grown man let’s just say at his prime he decided that he was going to sing that song on the video and I thought it was when the first time I heard it when he made that video available he brought, you know, made my eyes wet I was its a beautiful tune and it’s lovely lovely piece and before I mean, if you all have something to ask of me it’s its don’t need like two minutes long I will, rather than doing like a screen share if I could it if you all have anything to ask, or say to me I’ll listen to it but I’d like to yield whatever time I have left with you all to Simon himself and the singing of this tune that he made up, or that he the tune he made up but this words from I think the Hobbit.
Horus: Were you gonna play on from your computer.
Jason (NWG): I’ll just play it right now I’ll move the mic over to the speaker and it’s only it’s less than two minutes long it’s just time singing.
Nick: Obviously be wonderful.
Jason (NWG): [recording of Simon]
“This is exactly the tune I made up when I was eight, or nine I’ve done I remember sitting on the bed and making up actually anyway here it goes it’s the King beneath the mountains as by JRR Tolkien it’s about three-quarters of the way through the hobbit it’s a lovely lovely lovely lyric and I hope you learned another the awkward to it. So here goes:
‘The king beneath the mountains the king of carven stone shall come into his own his crown shall be his harp shall be restrung his hall shall echo golden it’s the songs of your song the words shall wave on mountains on the grass beneath the Sun his wells shall flow and the rivers cold the stream shall run in gladness the lakes shall shine and burn all sorrow fail and sadness at the mountain Kings return.’”.
Horus: Oh Jason you often speak about fire spirit and that word comes to mind right now.
Nick: It does it does I’m sure the White Pat can do something with that now one needs to live on.
Horus: I must introduce her next gift arrives, or Aref in a moment. But if there’s any last thing you want to say Jackson go ahead.
Jason (NWG): Last thing I’ll say is again thank you all for doing this Simon is, if you look at the world the way we do and going free Simon is no more gone than the Sun when it sets at night I love you all love you Simon rest in peace and talk to you also bye-bye.
Horus: Love you so you wait thank you very much. And hi riff, or awright if you wouldn’t mind beginning by telling me how to correctly pronounce your name and then tell us how you’re doing.
Hiraeth: Well technically I mispronounced my own name. But I just say high-risk, because it’s easier.
Horus: The, …
Hiraeth: Soy dow welsh can out there that I say the word wrong.
Horus: But what should it be.
Hiraeth: You should it be here later well here I think it’s like here ice, or something yeah.
Nick: The great irony of this is no one knows everyone else you had to pronounce your name. And then you spit it right back at us going it’s well you should know.
Horus: I don’t know.
Nick: Rolled are in it and all sorts of noises.
Horus: I’ve got a Welsh speaking friend I’m going to ask him yeah okay so a you of Welsh ancestry if you want.
Hiraeth: Um I am NOT actually I’m majority English I have like maybe 2% Welsh but majority English.
Nick: It’s the meaning of the words it’s got a particular resonance to us.
Hiraeth: Yes it’s searching, you know, it’s a longing for a home that either it could be a home from the past, or something that hasn’t been created yet it could be a home for them in the future but it’s just a longing for home basically and nostalgia is a big part of it and so.
Horus: And did you have did you meet someone online, or I know you’re always in often in the chat I’m listening see Europeans reading.
Hiraeth: Yeah well I mean, I feel like I’m almost here as like a representation of a lot of folks in the live chat tonight, because like a lot of the anonymous folks, because um I didn’t actually personally know Simon like on a personal level but we had interacted on like Twitter some like publicly about music and stuff and in live chats on YouTube we were like Facebook friends and things like that. But I never actually got to interact with him privately. But I feel like I am sure a lot of people feel this way where you almost it’s kind of one-sided, because you almost feel like you do know them to an extent, because he was such an influential figure in the community and there’s things that I’ve just really loved about his work and his streams and his character just all around. So.
Horus: Yeah, I agree and in your car the White art place it was well done.
Hiraeth: Yes I am a singer/songwriter member of the White Art Collective.
Horus: I mean, I first heard of you with your collaborations reservist who’s sort the English side of the music makers but uh yes so I know you by your singing voice first of all.
Hiraeth: Yeah that’s awesome.
Horus: So did you enjoy here in Simon’s voice singing voice.
Hiraeth: Yes actually like I just learned about, or I just heard his videos, you know, well I enjoyed what Jason just played just now and I had heard that I think yesterday and um it’s very, very touching. But I also there’s people like posting his some of his live things that he’s done he did a I think two other videos that I’ve seen circulating of him just playing live and he did one like original song and then he did a cover and the cover he did has been stuck in my head since gosh like since Saturday I think and it’s that one that’s like it’s like how long has the spin.
Horus: Mocking the mechanics Paul Carrack singing okay alright maybe I had a comment.
Hiraeth: Could be I’m not sure. I just I definitely I know that song. But I don’t really know the band I think it’s [200:01] by ace but I’m not sure I’m sure it’s been covered by a bunch of people well um he did such a great cover of that and I saw that video and there was like I don’t know like 22 likes and there’s like two dislikes and I remember getting pissed I was like Wyatt this is a great cover of this. Well that was something that I really liked about him from just from what I picked up on is that when he decided to do something he liked he just went for it and he went for it full force no matter like what it was. And I have a lot of respect for that, because when you play it like just from a musical standpoint I’ve never even played in front of a live audience before and I just feel like the thought of that is so terrifying, because I have a lot of stage fright. And he just seems so such a natural very comfortable and just at ease. And I think he seems like the type of person that would put others at ease as well. People seem to connect with him on many different levels which is really cool, so.
Horus: The picture of the night, I think by consensus, has been that one of him on stage with, Iconoclast said it was a Stratocaster with a red strap. Yes, assuming the 80s I think. I don’t know whether he’s in England, or Barcelona. But yeah, I mean, he’s not it doesn’t seem like I’m a quiet he was particularly like yeah, as you say, he was at ease, he wasn’t, you know, I didn’t seem like the kind of who’s embarrassed to perform.
Hiraeth: All right yeah you never like didn’t second-guess himself at the time, or anything where I feel like I would be like oh my gosh like I don’t know I feel like I’d be freaking out. [laughter]
Horus: And he was beginning to really try and put forward like the White Art Collective if they were cousin if, you know, you cause you heard a show last week.
Hiraeth: I did yeah I was in the live chat and um and it seemed like he was really getting on board with the fact that like I think he had an understanding of how important culture is like, or just art and music as part of culture. And like that side to this whole to this fight that we’re in, you know, like that is really it plays a really important role and I think he had a good understanding of that as a musician and as a music lover, because he was very passionate about music. And that tape that mixtape he made for the Unwashed asked him to make for Vile, that was awesome! I listened to that it was great I hadn’t heard of all those bands.
But, I love Joy Division and I know on Twitter he had said that he actually went to, he saw Joy Division in concert like two weeks before Ian Curtis actually killed himself, which is crazy! I was like I’m so jealous that you got to see that. That’s awesome! So he just seems like a really good, all-around, good dude. And uh, you know, very cool dude, also, so.
Horus: So know about you shows your Nick off I found out quite a lot about sonnets and I thought didn’t know a few hours ago is hearing all these different perspectives on him he’s like been illuminating apartment and else I mean, some people have come to me in the last few days and said I know how close you guys were. And this is true in the sense that I worked through him all the time but as I said, to one of the guests early over that’s right into some extent for me as kind of a meeting of minds like intellectual political stuff. I didn’t even know his phone number, or I’ve been connecting more Facebook and all this stuff and but I didn’t feel the need, because I took it for granted I just assumed there was no need and how wrong I was. But I just I mean, I think he would say the same I just felt an instant appreciation for the quiet in media sort of easy friendship there was nothing to figure out there was nothing to get past it was just the first posting was it for yeah, so we’re mates now, you know, that’s a thing now that’s great. And yeah, I mean, he made it easy and he was.
Shazia: [words unclear] he written sorry and have his motel number I don’t have Facebook I don’t need to have his plate — I just thought he was going to be here, you know, you take for granted it’s exactly what you say I mean, I would in a room and you team over back always the same day so, because I had that connection left. And if I needed to meet him for something even if he was out he would email and say he’ll reply in detail when he gets back home so I don’t ever feel the need to contact them on.
Horus: Yeah friend of mine after I said on Friday [205:01] that song I thought siring, you know, life is fragile and the takes moments like this it’s watching you when my case to realize that, because there’s not been a lot of bereavement, or death that I’ve experienced so far this a real loss hope that at least the way we are responding to it sort of plants seeds for future that we might hopefully make something good come of it and yeah, so.
Hiraeth: It seems like you’re doing a good job of that already though, because like well I loved it when Simon did like these kinds of streams with a bunch of people like around New Year’s for instance I loved that stream and I just thought it was so cool, because I remember thinking like gosh that’s got to be a lot like to switch all of these guests and stuff in and out there’s so much that goes on behind the scenes. I don’t think a lot of people really think about that and you have to like be really focused to be able to be engaged in what people are saying and still like switching people in and out like crazy and trying to keep the everything on time,
Horus: You know, nervous it’s Anakin’s says I was nervous before, you know,
Hiraeth: I mean, I’ve listened to this dream I could, you know, I couldn’t really talk in the chat level tongue so I was at work earlier but um I’ve listened to the stream since it started and it’s been amazing I mean, everything that everyone said it’s just been so nice, you know, I didn’t personally know Simon like I said. But I think anybody I think he would have really appreciated this and I think anybody would, you know. So.
Horus: I’m really hard sorry yeah really hope so and I guess we’ll begin the droids were close but she has, you know, if there’s anything you want to say before we come towards the end.
Shazia: I was really you nervous before me before the Kim line and I was really emotional I feel myself crying again I’m just actually yes but we’ve had on has just said she had so many beautiful memories about on there, you know, I’m things all that I’m not really happy and it’s been really good saying I’m really glad that I’m not speculating and just yeah rest in peace I mean, and just one last thing if we actually win this much, you know, shock and sadness I can’t even begin to imagine I was family living.
Horus: With what Jason said yeah I mean, I can only imagine what how painful it must be for his daughters who have reconnected and now to lose him completely. I hope I mean, I don’t know at all. But I hope that she can draw some strength from the time that they did spend together and Nick is there any last things you want to say,
Nick: Oh I’ve said an awful lot about Simon over the past few days I’ve written words and all sorts but this has been a lovely way to send off I don’t know what the right word is yeah still lost for words still haven’t really been able to sum it up I’m just very, very honored to have known Simon since the end of last year and yeah it can all be summed up in one word which is gratitude it’s like I just have huge gratitude for everything that he gave me and everything they gave all of us what a wonderful dude.
Horus: Whoops it might I’m all right uh hi ray sir is there any last things you want to say.
Hiraeth: Um I just would like to say thank you all for having me on thank you for, you know, for doing this for three and a half hours it’s a long time to be streaming for and I know Simon did that really well and like I said, I enjoyed those very much so I like that he was willing to give smaller voices the time of day like it didn’t really it wasn’t really like a popularity contest with him he just, you know, when he saw something that he thought was, or somebody that he thought was talented he would uh he would boost him up and I think that’s just really cool so.
Horus: He really did like to boost people up yeah and he did that for me. I feel like there’s a various my loads of things I could say, but the words that really come to me all I will say with a bit of I feel that I’ve got someone’s fingers around my throat. But I was just say mate you were a brother and well you still are and thanks a lot I’m gonna bring it to an end thanks everyone for listening and doing proud. And I hope I think I’ll see some of you tomorrow on Patriotic Weekly Review. And let’s just try and continue in his spirit so thanks everyone I’m going to end it now, so take care good bye.
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