Host: Good evening, everyone. Tonight I am jumping on stream to have a chat about the election with everyone’s favourite, Joel Davis. Welcome, Joel.

Joel Davis: Good to be on.

Host: We wanted to have a chat about the upcoming election because there’s a lot of discourse that you guys have got heavy on your chest that you want to let out, and I think it’s a good time to do it. We’re on the final leg of the election campaign and you guys stirred up quite a bit of controversy on Anzac Day, so I thought we’d talk about that first.

One question that I haven’t seen answered, at least on my feed is the things surrounding the planning of it. I want to know, like, was that planned going to the Anzac Day memorial and choreographing that booing. I don’t know what time it was, but I think it was like, maybe five, six o’clock in the morning. Like, what was. What was the plan around that? Give us some bit of insight to that morning.

Joel Davis: Well, yeah, we planned to do it a long time ago.

I can’t remember whose idea it was originally. It might have been. It might have been Sewell’s.

But, yeah, the plan was for a while, like, next Anzac Day, if they do another Welcome to Country, which they probably will, let’s do it! And we don’t usually. Like, we didn’t. We weren’t in a big group. We were in some of us aren’t even allowed to associate, so I wasn’t with the boys. Everyone was in little groups and the idea was just, basically just be somewhere in your little. With a few of your mates or with your family members or whatever, whoever you’re going to the Dawn Service with, and if they do a Welcome to Country, or a land acknowledgment or whatever, boo!

And obviously her got down there nice and early in the mornings. It was right up the front. And so he was able to be so loud that you could actually hear him through the microphone on the television and broadcast it out or project it out to the larger crowd.

So, yeah, we weren’t expecting them to then make it about us. We thought that the impression would just be that the crowd did it and that it would just be like this kind of spontaneous thing. We didn’t necessarily want the credit, but they managed to pin it on us pretty quickly. They have a bunch of police, like, on the shrine with cameras and everything pointed at the crowd, because I’ve been there before for Anzac Day, for Remembrance Day, and there’s a bunch of cops on the shrine with advanced cameras and they’re just like pointing them straight at us and like staring at us the whole time. And we don’t usually do anything. We just stand there and we just attend the service that we leave.

We would never come to Anzac Day in uniform and with banners and microphones and megaphones and do any of that kind of thing on Anzac Day because we don’t think it’s appropriate. But what we also don’t think is appropriate is the fucking Welcome to Country! The Welcome to Country, what it fundamentally is a declaration of Aboriginal sovereignty.

And obviously we don’t believe in that. We believe in Australian sovereignty and that sovereignty was bled for by the Anzacs in the First World War and it was bled for by other veterans of the Australian military in the Second World War and other wars. So it’s ridiculously inappropriate and obviously the people agree with us, which is why it’s had such a engaging reaction from the public.

Host: I have a question on that specific thing. I said this on stream the other day in the fallout. This was my personal opinion. I said that it had to be someone as polarizing as Jacob to do this because the discourse wouldn’t have existed if it was just a random person on any other given day.

What are your thoughts on that? Because I think it’s incredible that this has happened and it’s become such a pivotal talking point where the debate last night these guys were asked about it. You know, it’s got a lifespan of over four or five days or four days now. Three, four days. And they constantly talking about it. It was brought up on Sky News every hour all day today, despite the fact that it’s been a few days now. But what are your thoughts on the fact that it. I feel like it had to be someone polarizing to be able to get the discourse and get the ball rolling on the discussion with the broader society.

What are your thoughts on that?

Joel Davis: I think, yes, I think maybe because this issue is so potent, because it really strikes at the core of like our identity as a nation, like the question what defines us? Is it Aboriginal sovereignty? Is it the so-called first nations culture? Which is utterly contrived by the way, like the Welcome to Country is a modern invention. The dot paintings was literally invented by a White guy and taught to the Aboriginals. Like they don’t actually have much continuity with whatever their culture was before we showed up.

There’s been this construction in recent decades of this so-called Aboriginal culture by Marxist academics and so on. And this is part of it.

And then they gaslight everyone into it being like some continuous thing. When anyone who’s older than, like, 20 remembers that there wasn’t Welcome to Country at everything when we were growing up. Like, this is a pretty new thing that all of a sudden there’s Welcome to Country at everything. And the media has tried to gaslight everyone as if we’ve always been doing this and this is an ancient tradition and all this bullshit, but everyone knows it’s bullshit, really.

But, yeah, I think because of that. And then also the Anzacs. I mean, Australia Day is a big deal because Australia Day is about celebrating British settlement. And obviously we were all over the news on Australia Day as well, and that’s important.

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But the thing is, on Australia Day, what most people are doing is they’re having a barbecue, maybe they go to the beach, have a few beers, and it’s more of a chill, celebrate with your mates and your family kind of day. But Anzac Day isn’t quite like that. Anzac Day, you know, is. It’s more serious because it’s about remembering people who paid the ultimate sacrifice at wartime for our country. So you get up early in the morning, you go to the Dawn Service and you. It’s more. It’s almost like a religious. I’m not going to say almost. It is a religious day for Australians because you are venerating your ancestors. This is an ancient. An ancient tradition of pretty much every civilisation ever to venerate their ancestors. It’s a form of ancestor worship. We’re literally doing prayers to our fallen ancestors.

So Anzac Day is a very big deal. It’s the most emotional day for a patriotic Australian in the calendar, as far as your nationalism goes. And people have very strong feelings about it for obvious reasons.

And the thing is that back in World War I, 40% of the military kind of like fighting age men in Australia signed up to go and fight in World War I. 40%. It was like over 400,000 men of only about a million fighting age men in the country at that time. And there was no conscription, so that was voluntary. Australia had the highest participation rate of any of the Allied countries in World War I, other than Serbia, who started the war, and all Serbians had to fight.

So a lot of Australians served in World War I with the Anzacs, and a lot of Australians served in World War II.

And so if you’re an Australian who traces your heritage back to that time, you’re pretty likely to have ancestors that served in one of those two conflicts, particularly in World War I, because the participation rate was so high.

So it’s something that’s in our blood as Australians. And you know, people say:

“Oh, World War I, it was like a war for it was a war for the British Empire. They were in Gallipoli, they were in France. What does Turkey and France have to do with Australia?”

Well, it was a war for Australia because Australia was part of the British Empire and our primary concern was the rising Japanese Empire in the early 20th century. And you can go and read, if you read your history and you read the statements by our prime ministers and our leading politicians at the time, diplomatic conferences, at the Imperial conference with the British and so on, we were constantly bringing up the issue of the Japanese. And the Japanese had defeated the Russians in a war in the 1900s, mid-1900s, just after Australia was federated. And that was a big deal. That was the first time a non-White power had defeated a White power in the modern world. So people were like:

“Wow, the Japanese are serious. They could beat the Russians in a war. These are serious mother fuckers!”

A few years later, they annexed Korea, they just take Korea and they show that they had an expansionist intent. In the lead up to the First World War, there was a great anxiety in Australia of:

“Well, what happens if the British Empire isn’t there to protect us?”

So we had to make sure that the British won World War I against the Germans and the other powers allied with the Germans, because if they didn’t and the British Empire collapsed, we were going to be a sitting duck, we thought, potentially for an expansionist Japanese Empire.

So that was why Billy Hughes, our Prime Minister during World War I, when he addressed the people, to convince them to sign up to fight in the First World War, to become ANZACs, 65,000 of which died and another almost 150,000 of which were wounded. He had to convince the people to go and fight in France and ultimately in Turkey. And what he said was:

“I bid thee go and fight for White Australia in France!”

That’s what he said to the people. It was the idea that if we weren’t going to be able to have a wide Australia policy anymore, if the British Empire collapses and the Japanese, you know, invade us and subjugate us.

So that was paid for in blood.

Obviously the British Empire was one of the victorious powers in the First World War. And the same logic went into the Second World War. When we went to the Second World War, it was the same logic. Australians didn’t go and fight in North Africa and in Southern Europe against the Germans because they were morally repulsed by National Socialism or they were concerned about anti-semitism or [chuckling] anything like that they were simply trying to defend the British Empire because they were concerned about an expansionist Japanese empire which at this point had taken half of China and was really showing that it had a will to dominate the entire region that we were in. Because Japan invaded China in 1933, six years before World War II broke out in Europe.

So that’s why we went to war.

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And then as soon as the war with Japan started in 1941 or 1940, then immediately our prime minister said:

“We’ve got to bring the boys back!”

And he pulled all of our boys out of North Africa, out of fighting the Germans and the Italians and brought them back here to fight the Germans. And the British abandoned us. The British Empire collapsed. They failed in Singapore, they pulled out, they lost Hong Kong, they lost a lot of their territories that they controlled in Asia. The British Navy retreated. They were all focused all their energy on fighting the Germans.

And so we pulled our boys out of Europe and said:

“Okay, well we’re going to fight, we’re going to fight for Australia here.”

And we completely abandoned the war in Europe for the rest of the war to fight here against Japan or in our region and with the Americans who came in on our side.

So World War II was about fighting the Japanese Empire and really World War I was about defending ourselves against the Japanese Empire. Both of these wars, the way that was perceived by our politicians and by the public, by the media, by everyone in Australian society was about protecting White Australia in the face of an expanding yellow empire. And even you could say the wars in Korea and in Vietnam that were then for in the 50s and the 60s, obviously that was in the Cold War paradigm against communism.

But it was a similar concern of like, if communism rips through Asia, eventually they’re going to have their designs on Australia.

And so what motivated Australians to go and fight in Korea and in Vietnam was a very similar motivation. Even though the concern wasn’t the Japanese this time, it was instead the communist powers of Asia expanding. And that’s the threat that faces us today. When we think about what would World War Three be, would probably be an American led alliance against China and that we’d be involved in that as well. And that’s what’s being prepared for basically right now by our political class.

So that’s the geopolitical context that in which we fought.

And the reason why we were going and fighting in places like Iraq and Afghanistan was because America is our partner from a geopolitical standpoint against an ascendant China. And we wanted to maintain the favour of the Americans now that the British Empire has collapsed after the Second World War. So all of Australia’s foreign policy can be understood in those terms and their sacrifices can be understood in those terms. And we can have our criticisms. The British Empire, it was taken over by jewish bankers and commercial interests and it had many flaws. And the American Empire definitely is taken over by jewish bankers and commercial interests and has exceptional flaws and is also responsible for using its soft power in our country to subvert our political system and bring us into this neo-liberal shitscape that we now live in. But that’s nevertheless the case. That was, that was what the logic was behind a lot of these wars and why these men were fighting.

And so when we venerate their sacrifice, we’re venerating the basis upon which Australian sovereignty is even possible. And whatever criticisms you have of the various wars, and I have criticisms, I don’t think we should have been in Iraq, that was a war for Israel. I don’t think we should have been in Afghanistan, that was completely irrelevant to our national interests and so on.

But that nevertheless, and obviously I don’t think that we should have gone to war against the Germans. I think there was a complete failure for the British Empire which ended up collapsing due to prosecuting that war against its interests when the Germans didn’t even want war with the British Empire. In fact, they wanted peace. And that’s well documented.

Host: I just saw a hilarious comment. Sorry, I saw a hilarious comment. Don’t let Joel monologue for two hours. He won’t stop unless he interrupts him. Let’s go back. Let’s go, let’s go back to this.

So it’s interesting because I think that this, like I said from my original question, this course wouldn’t have happened with regards to the last three days, the longevity of this event at the Anzac Day Dawn Service if it wasn’t someone as polarizing as Jacob. Now one thing that I wanted to bring up, which I thought was just absolutely unbelievable and it actually just proved us all right. It was stunning when I saw this morning.

So this was actually, I posted this at 6:30 in the morning the other day because it was this, it was so outrageous! I have been documenting that the anti-vilification amendments that you guys are so against as well and I think rightfully everyone else is against it.

The fact that the Victorian government actually sought legal advice to see if they could prosecute what Jacob had done that day. It’s come out, I think it was yesterday that they couldn’t lay charges. They wanted to summons him for some sort of charge that they wanted to make up like they did with your stunt at in Adelaide on, was it Australia Day.

But I don’t think it’s landed anything. I don’t think there’s a charge that’s landed yet. But let’s roll this.

Joel Davis: Oh no, I’ve been charged from Adelaide. A lot of us are still fighting it in the courts.

Host: Yeah, but I’m talking about, I’m just saying this.

Joel Davis: Yeah.

Host: Nothing stuck.

Joel Davis: My understanding is that he hasn’t been charged. The police, I understand, said to Jacob that he could expect a summons over an offensive behaviour charge. But that’s different than the anti-vilification.

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Host: Yeah. Let’s roll this. And then I want to get your thoughts on what said.

So this is more of a news sort of commentary on it. It’s not any one politician talking about it.

But I think it’s interesting because it’s basically vindicated that they’re going to try to use it to prosecute anyone that tries to be pro-Australia in any which way. It’s not going to be used to prosecute anyone that offends the Indians or the jewish community. These, these laws in my opinion were amended in response to a hoax and then a whole bunch of other criminal offences that were done by organised crime. We spoke about this the other time on stream and then all of a sudden it’s come out that they’ve passed these laws on the back of a hoax and now there’s an investigation to see if we can repeal them, at least in New South Wales. Victoria, I’m not so sure that’s going to happen. But let’s roll this and then we’ll talk about it. Hopefully the audio works.

Let me just make sure. Unmuted. Okay. Can you hear it?

Joel Davis: No.

Host: Okay, let me just. I think I might have to reshare the reshare the screen.

Let me just quickly switch back.

Sky News: Protests at yesterday’s Anzac Day service in Melbourne are unlikely to meet the criminal threshold under Victorian anti-vilification laws. Convicted neo-Nazi Jacob Hersant led boos and chanting during the Welcome to Country according to the Age. Government and legal sources don’t believe the booing constitutes punishment under Hate Speech laws. The neo-Nazi disruptions during the Anzac Day Dawn Service at Melbourne Shrine of Remembrance have been condemned.

Host: Yeah, so, yeah, so they’re just talking about the fact that they’ve tried to see if they can prosecute Jacob under the new Hate Speech laws, the anti-vilification amendment. So what are your thoughts on the fact that you guys are being, you’re the primary example of basically all of these laws that they’ve passed over the last three months now. And it’s just so happened to be under the, like the consequential, the, it’s the consequence of these things happening to you guys now is off the back of being pro-Australia.

What are your thoughts on that?

And do you think that it’s probably no surprise, but is it a surprise that you guys are like exhibit A on the chopping block for this, for these laws?

Joel Davis: No, it’s not a surprise. I think we’re probably within a national context the most high profile Nazis on the planet today. Maybe the Azov Battalion in Ukraine, you could say are more high profile.

But in terms of like the general political discourse of a country, most places they just kind of ignore people like us. But probably, I would say partly due to the type of activism that we do, which is particularly provocative and interesting to people, but also due to a hysterical political class, they kind of fixate upon us in a very intense way. And anytime we do anything in public, apparently we need to be. The police have to do something. There’s all this pressure from communists, from Left-wing journalists that are secretly communists or maybe not so secretly communists and from jewish groups and so on to come after us. And you know, obviously it’s ridiculous!

But when it comes to this, it has to be said the anti-vilification laws that were passed recently in Victoria actually aren’t in effect yet. They don’t go into effect until September.

So they’re talking about the old anti-vilification laws. The ones that go into effect in September are so broad it’s hard to know exactly how far they could go. So I guess we’re going to have to wait and see after September how that goes.

So that’s part of the reason why they couldn’t prosecute. The same reason why I still haven’t been charged even though they raided my house and took my stuff and said I was under investigation for vilification when I did the jews Hate Freedom rally. Because under the old laws, there’s a political speech exemption and there’s a much higher threshold that needs to be met for what constitutes vilification. Under the new laws that have been passed but aren’t in effect until September on a criminal basis. Basically they can just say that, well, Aboriginals are offended or jews are offended or whoever the supposed group being targeted is offended. And so at that point, you know, who knows how broad that’s going to be. We’re going to have to wait and see until it goes through the courts, I guess.

I don’t think the laws are constitutional. They removed the political speech exemption that was originally in the originally proposed laws at the behest of the Liberal Party. A Liberal Party requested that at the behest of the jewish lobby. They said we’re not going to support these laws unless you remove the political speech exemption. Which is what makes the laws constitutional because we have a constitutional right to political communication.

But yeah, there’s no equivalent, there’s no like equivalent exemption in the new laws. They’ve been completely removed. Liberal Party ended up voting against them because for some other reason.

But basically they just kept the political speech or they kept the kind of removal of the political speech exemption out of the, out of the legislation. So the legislation in my opinion is unconstitutional. We’re going to test it in the courts.

But basically there is no exemptions other than the so-called Sam Kerr exemption which, …

Host: Yeah, I gathered that.

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Joel Davis: Which was discussed. Yeah, which was discussed in the media, which is that, well if you’re of a so-called disadvantaged group and you vilify a so-called advantaged group, meaning if you’re non-White and you talk shit about White people or maybe if you’re a homosexual and you talk shit about straight people or something, then apparently you can say whatever you want. And that was the Greens asked for that and then Labor put that in order to get the Greens vote to get the law passed despite not having the support of the Liberals. So total shit show! But that’s the laws. So again they’re not in effect yet.

But yeah, under the current laws, like I said, he might still get charged with offensive behaviour, which is a really vague law and we’ll see if that goes to court.

But it’s a very minor charge that doesn’t have. The anti-vilification laws are very serious with like multiple year jail terms, whereas the offensive behaviour charges, a very weak summary offence that it’s on, you’re unlikely to do jail time for. So they might not even bother because they don’t think it’s worth their time and energy to go after him for it. Maybe they will. We’ll see. I haven’t heard that he’s been charged yet. I’m sure it’ll be publicized if that does happen.

Host: Yeah, yesterday that they’re unlikely to charge. And you’re right to. I think you’re right to have reminded me. I remember I saw what’s his name from Victoria, the Libertarian MP. He was actually there until four in the morning. They passed just like they passed the amendments in New South Wales at like 4 or 5 o’clock in the morning. So even I was unaware that they were actually. They actually re tabled it to get these laws passed.

But one thing they did bring up in his video, he said that they don’t come into law until later this year. So there’s enough time for people going into the election next year in Victoria to at least experience it so they can say:

“Oh, maybe we need to push out the Labor government and then hopefully Liberal Party has enough seats in the upper and lower house to be able to repeal it.”

Joel Davis: There’s no way the Liberal Party will repeal it because the Liberal Party in Victoria are totally controlled by the jewish lobby more than any other state in Australia. I mean they’re controlled nationally but the jewish community is particularly, politically, active and hysterical in Melbourne and they have a vice grip over the Liberal Party. Like I said the Liberal Party refused to vote for this originally because it was too lenient on people who were engaging in political speech. Because obviously the jews want to basically ban anyone from engaging in political speech that they don’t like that’s critical of Israel or the jewish lobby or the jewish community. And so they asked for that to be removed and they got it.

And then they started going on about a very, like a small kind of piece of minutiae in the law. They didn’t actually oppose it in principle in any meaningful way. And they could then go to the people and pretend that they opposed it.

But if you followed it closely like I did, you would realise that they’re scum! Like they’re complete frauds, they’re liars! And I fucking hate the Liberal Party! We’re not going to get anything from voting Liberal Party back in Victoria that we want. We won’t. There will be a complete disappointment.

What is necessary in Australian politics is for Right-wingers to completely defect from the Liberal Party and start voting for the Right-wing minor parties.

And right now in Australian politics, supposedly the centre line is drawn between Liberal and Labor. But Liberal and Labor are the same! There is barely any distinction of meaning, a meaningful distinction between these two parties. We need to redraw the line between Liberal and the rest.

Host: So the election’s coming up on Saturday, right? You would have thought that Peter Dutton would be so empowered off the back of all of those firebombings, the graffiti all over the joint, the, what was it called, the synagogue being burnt down in Melbourne and then all of these laws being passed in response to it and the caravan in New South Wales in general.

You would have thought that off, just off the back of that. And then Sky News broadcasted a massive anti-semitism Summit that Peter Dutton would be supercharged and empowered off the back of that he would be a dollar three favourite by the bookies to win! Just off the back of all of those consequential series of events.

You know, that was like a five month lead up going into this election where he had all of that galvanised support from the jewish community, from the lobby groups and the sentiment in the public sentiment was there as well. How come he’s not winning off the back of that? I’m curious to know what you think of that because you would have thought that that would be the circumstances that he would face him.

But right now he’s basically given up. I think just. I watched an interview that he just did with Shari Marks and no surprise there, they’re trying to revive the campaign in the last three days before Saturday.

But yeah, what are your thoughts on that? Because I would think that off the back of the last five, six months, he’d steamroll Albo because of the sentiment was there, the public sentiment there. The laws were passed. He was the face of it in terms of the political leadership.

But you know, his trending is gonna be probably getting spilled as leader maybe if he loses quite convincingly on Saturday.

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Joel Davis: I mean, his seat, the seat of Dixon, which is his seat in Brisbane. He only won by less than 2% margin in the last election and I could see him potentially losing there, particularly if the Trumpet of Patriots voters turn on him as they’ve been instructed to by the Trumpet of Patriots controversial how to vote cards.

But yeah, the story is a few things.

Number one, have you noticed how since the election was called, they really kind of shut up about the jews, like the first day or two, they made sure that they went to the synagogue and you know, showed the jews that they were on their side.

But obviously they focus grouped it and realised that it was incredibly unpopular with the general public. The general public are not interested in Israel. They don’t care about Israel, they don’t care about the jewish community and they don’t support taking away our freedom of speech. And they’re sick of hearing about anti-semitism. So they completely shut up about that.

Host: Since the election campaign, they’ve barely brought it up. I think you’re right. They’ve only brought it up maybe once or twice at the early days of the election. They have not brought it up once since. Nothing!

Joel Davis: Yeah, the Liberal Party had all the momentum before they started passing all these attacks on free speech. That was when they had the momentum late last year. October, November, December, they looked like it was inevitable. It seemed like Albanese was done, Labor were done. The election was going to have to be called soon. And when it was going to be called, they weren’t going to have a hope.

And then the Liberal Party decided to champion the cause of the jews and the cause of freedom of speech. And obviously labour were just as complicit in all of this. But I think that turned off a lot of their base.

And the story of this election has not been labour accumulating a great degree of popularity. Labor has, they’ve increased the Indian vote, they’ve increased the immigrant vote. And immigrants, particularly Indians, love voting labour and so that’s bolstering the Labor vote. But the real story of this election is how the Liberals have lost votes to the Right. The Right-wing minor party vote is going to be higher than ever before this election in Australian history. I saw a news poll the other day that had One Nation polling over 10%. And that’s not even including all the other parties that Rennicks, People First Party, they’ll probably do decent. Trump and the Patriots will get some votes. The Libertarians will get some votes. The Family first, the Shooters and Fishers and so on. It could add up to about 20% quite feasibly in this election.

So what Dutton and the Liberals have done have completely lost their own base and justifiably so. I’ve never seen such strong public sentiment on being against the Uni-Party and so many Right-wing attacks on the Liberals. And the Liberals have failed dismally to win us over, basically. People like you and I who are obviously, kind of obviously we don’t have the same ideology but we’re in this kind of populist right kind of milieu. We’re not being won over. And this is in the context of in European politics, conservative parties in like basically every European country have shrunk and have become dwarfed by populist parties that are kind of attacking them from the Right. In almost every European country.

Obviously in America, we’ve seen Trump kind of railroad his agenda into the Republican Party where 10 years ago Trump seemed like a radical and an outsider. Now he’s a normal Republican. The Republican Party has been remade in his image and obviously I’m not a Trump supporter and it’s nowhere near enough the changes that have been made, but it’s clearly a step in the direction of populism and away from what conservatism was in the standard, you know, early 2010s conception.

Liberal Party, however, have not changed. They have completely maintained the trajectory that conservatism was on before this kind of populist backlash. They haven’t adapted to it at all! They’ve cucked on every single issue! They I was watching your coverage actually of the debate last night and it was the first debate I watched between Albanese and Dutton because honestly, life is too short. But I thought it’d be interesting because I wanted to see if they would talk about the booing on Anzac Day. And they did. I was interested to hear what they would have to say. But there was one point where Dutton attacked Albanese on immigration when they were talking about housing and he said:

“Oh, this Labor government have increased immigration by 70% on what it was before Covid and blah, blah, blah. So we’re going to cut immigration by 25%!”

And it’s like:

“Hey, wait a second!”

So we have like ridiculously over the top immigration. We have a historic housing crisis. It’s caused by immigration. No matter what anyone says. It’s the case. In Canada they had a similar housing crisis and the Left-wing government party in power cut immigration to Net Zero. Imagine if Labor a year ago cut immigration to Net Zero to try and like win voters back from the coalition. That’s basically what happened in Canada and it’s kind of worked for them. It looks like they’re going to win the Canadian election, which is coming up very shortly as well.

Host: Yeah, but I just saw a story on that.

Joel Davis: Yeah, but the conservatives here basically have accepted according all the mainstream news and they’ve finally accepted after we’ve been arguing with them for years. That immigration is causing the housing crisis! It’s not that we’re not building enough houses. Australia builds more houses per capita than any other Western country except I think Switzerland. So why do we have a housing crisis? Because we have the highest rate of immigration per capita of almost any Western country. That’s why. It’s obvious, it’s demand.

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Host: I don’t know if you saw this story, but this came. This was in the news today. I only just heard about it a couple of hours ago.

So they’re apparently bumping up the student visa fees by, I think it was like $400 per, per application.

And then there’s going to be approximately like, I think it was about half a million people had applied for it. Let me see if I can find the number. And then only like a quarter of a million. Only a quarter of a million people came to Australia on student visas. And this is just student visas.

So not only are they still letting in between 250,000 to half a million depending on how many students show up, they’re bumping up the price of it so they can make more revenue off the back of it. This was hidden in the Labor budget and only just came out in the news today.

Joel Davis: But look at this. Labor has promised to cap international student commencements at 270,000, while the opposition has said it will be 240,000. That’s like, what even is the fucking point? Yeah, what even is the point? Like, Liberals could have just lied and pretended that they were going to cut immigration and then just like what Albanese did. Albanese lied before the last election about immigration and then just opened the floodgates. They could have just lied and won, but they’re that in the pocket of the property lobby.

The number one industry in Australia that donates to political parties is the property lobby. I talked about this in my article in The Noticer on why we should put the Liberals last this election. And the largest recipient of property lobby property industry donations is the Liberal Party.

So if the Labor Party is willing to bring in this many immigrants and the property industry still thinks they get a better deal with Liberal than Labor, that goes to show that they’re pretty confident that the Liberals aren’t going to cut immigration by any significant degree. The number one donor to the Liberal Party is Harry Triguboff, Australia’s richest property developer. He’s a jew as well, by the way. He runs Meriton or his company, Meriton Properties or whatever.

So that’s why that’s why basically The Liberals have lost this election because they care more about getting money from the property lobby than about actually winning elections. They would rather lose the election and get that sweet property bucks in the pocket. Trump lied and campaign on an issue that they could easily win on, which is just cutting immigration.

Host: Do you think Trump lied with these policy of mass deportations then? Because the numbers don’t stack up, at least at the moment.

Joel Davis: Yeah, it seems, yeah, of course. Seems like he lied, but that’s normal. That’s these cuckservative leaders always lie. But the Liberals are that in the pocket of these donors. They didn’t even have the temerity to lie. That’s how pathetic it is.

I mean, I talked about this in the we need to understand the Liberal Party are a Left-wing party. They’re not a Right-wing party. Give me one conservative policy that they have. They literally kicked someone out of the party the other day because he said that women shouldn’t be in combat roles in the army. I mean,

Host: I posted about that.

Joel Davis: That’s insane! What, like what are their other policies? It was a Liberal Party that legalised gay marriage. It was the Liberal Party in the 1970s that made multiculturalism official state policy in Australia. Under, in the late 70s. It was the Liberal Party that took away our guns. In the 90s, it was a Liberal Party that opened up the floodgates to mass immigration to these insane levels that we’ve been receiving in, under Howard. It was Howard that really opened it up. So Liberal Party again and again and again has been at the forefront of all these Left-wing agendas that are destroying our country that conservatives hate. If they keep voting Liberal. It’s like, when are you going to realise that these guys are your enemies? Stop voting for them!

Host: Yeah. And just like this video here, it gives ammunition, easy ammunition for the Labor Party to be able to use these talking points to galvanise their support.

So this video is from a couple weeks ago. Now Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has once again taken aim at the Liberal Party candidates, slamming one for blaming the Illuminati for Australia’s downfall, another for claiming, claiming feminists caused Donald Trump’s 2020 election loss. And Benjamin Britton, the candidate that you’re talking about, for saying that women shouldn’t serve on the front lines of the ADF. I’ll play the video because like I was saying just a second ago, it just gives them easy talking points to target the Liberal Party and just keep on firing at them and galvanizing their support off the back of it.

Albanese: And this week if we look at the seats that we are hoping to be successful in, they include Leichhardt with Matt Smith and you compare it with the other mob. I mean they’ve got candidates, they got a candidate for the Senate here who’s connected up with Illuminati rubbish! I mean that is who they are running in seats. They got a bloke in Queensland in Leichardt in a held LMP seat who’s a cooker who blames feminists for U. S election results. What is he saying? Women shouldn’t vote? I mean these people have selected shockers. They had to get rid of their candidate in Whitlam because he came out with all sorts of theories about women not running, not being allowed to be in combat forces.

Host: So yeah, it just, it just gives them easy talking points to target the Liberal Party and you know, my sort of knowledge and experience around these like this political commentary space is only just begun from the top of Covid.

But I think that it’s just embarrassing to see the Liberal Party leadership.

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Joel Davis: Just how out of touch are these people? Do they really think that people want women serving on the front lines? Like that’s insane! Like Albanese is talking about it like oh these crazy lunatics, these fascist, you know, conspiracy theorists that think women shouldn’t be on the front lines in war. Like what? Like wasn’t that only changed like a few years ago? And it’s insane! Like what you think women aren’t going to vote for you unless you, unless you let them go and fight on the front lines in war. Women don’t want to do that! It’s ridiculous! It’s like this Welcome to Country thing. They were talking down to us and to the Australian people like oh like these crazy extremists that are against the Welcome to Country. We all support that. And then it’s like no we don’t. [chuckling] The average Australian does not support any of this nonsense! And the Liberal Party are so out of touch. They think the crap that they say on the media on even on Sky News, they think that this journalist Canberra, inner city Sydney and Melbourne bubble reflects what Australians, like normal Australians think and feel. These people are completely out of touch and they’re a minority.

But instead of actually trying to appeal to the average Aussie battler, the kind of person who would actually vote for a proper Right-wing candidate, instead they’re trying to chase after these like Teal seats or something in the inner cities and appeal to like deranged, you know, rich Boomer women who like watch the ABC all day! And it’s like, why are you chasing these lunatics? Go after your actual base. But it just shows they’re not actually a Right-wing party. They don’t give a shit about any of the values that we have. And they need to be treated as a Left-wing party and we need to give our support to the actual Right-wing parties that are, that exist. They’re not perfect.

I don’t think Rennick or the policies with Trumpeter Patriots are perfect. They don’t go anywhere near far enough obviously for my liking. But they do seem like as if they’re actually genuinely decent policies that would make the country better. That if the Liberal Party adopted the same policies, they would probably win. It would win on those policies. The only reason these smaller parties aren’t able to compete yet is because people are so stuck in the red team, blue team dichotomy, they think they have to pick one of these two options.

Host: So let’s talk about party politics. So I’ve got this article from the other day. I think this was just yesterday that I had up before here. So it goes:

“Neo-Nazis quietly forming a political party to try to get around the law.”

The interesting thing about this article and this story is the fact that they want to try to close the loopholes that they’re accusing you guys of trying to exploit in being able to have the political freedom of association. Now I’ve just looked it up here:

“An eligible member when registering a political party with the AA C is someone who doesn’t legally count towards 1, 500 minimum members and then an ineligible member type.”

So I’m just trying to find ones that wouldn’t, that would probably hinder you guys, because I’m interested to see how they would stop you.

So at the moment the “ineligible member types” is someone that’s not enrolled. It’s a duplicate member. Fake or false member. Underage person, dead person. The details are wrong. You’ve withdrawn consent. Which means if someone tells the AC I’m not a member during the membership audit, they will be disqualified. Non Australian citizens and members of the registered parties.

So it looks like unless you, as long as you follow all of those requirements, the there’s currently no loopholes that they’re accusing you of that they can not approve your application.

Joel Davis: Yeah, but they even say in this article that experts agree that they can’t stop us.

Host: Yeah, so that’s what I want to get to. So let’s talk about that.

So what’s the idea behind that? Because I think it’s interesting that you guys want to do this, not because you want to form a party and take a stab at politics. I think it’s more interesting the commentary behind it. So what you were just saying before, the fact that they’re going to try to shut you down and breach the Constitution for you because you know, you guys have the right to be able to do this. You’re not breaching any of these requirements from what I can tell. This is probably the only requirement that I would see that would be that they would try to drag, drag you through the mud having ineligible members because you guys are so, you know, polarizing in the eyes of the government, the eyes of the AEC, perhaps.

Joel Davis: They can’t, they don’t have a legal basis to do that.

And actually there’s strong High Court precedent and constitutional precedent on that they can’t ban political parties in this country. If you follow the reasonable, very reasonable, apolitical, necessarily apolitical requirements of the Electoral act and the AEC regulations, which are very reasonable and basic. And you just basically need your 1500 members. They can’t stop you. They tried to ban the Communist party in the 1950s. They weren’t allowed to by the High Court. They then had a referendum. They asked the Australian people, can you give us the authority to ban political parties? And the Australian people, at the height of the Cold War, when everyone hated Communism, they said:

“No, we don’t want to give the government that ability!”

And they maintained that anyone can form a political party in this country. Then in the early 1970s, multiple National Socialist political parties were formed and contested elections. There’s precedent.

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Host: So what about these two requirements? So not genuinely a political party. If the group is truly organised for a political party example, it’s a sham front. They can reject it. What if they say to you:

“Oh, you guys are just trying to exploit these loopholes, so we’re going to reject it.”

Joel Davis: They are going have to prove that in court. We actually want to. We actually think we can get people elected. We believe we got good candidates and we’ve got a compelling campaign strategy. We think we can get people into Parliament and we want to have a crack. Like, we actually think a lot of people would vote for us. We think we’ve got great policies that no one else is offering and that we’re interesting. I think there’s a lot of Australians that are just completely fed up with this political system that will go:

“Fuck it! I’m voting Nazi!”

You know, like I think there is a market for us out there.

Host: What about this requirement? So your party name must not copy, resemble or cause confusion with the existing political party. And then prohibited words as well. What if they turn around, say the National Socialist, words, those., …

Joel Davis: We’re not gonna, we’re not going to register at the National Socialist Network. That’s not what the name of the party will be. And that’s not our intent. We’re not going to register as a National Socialist with National socials in the name of the party. That’s not the name. And yeah, you can’t register a party that has. But even so, I don’t think they could actually ban. If you wanted to register National Socialists. I don’t think they could. I don’t think they have grounds like to say that’s offensive because it’s not like, it’s not. You’d have to like have like a swear word in the name or something crazy! Which obviously we wouldn’t do. That’s insane! So I think we’ll be fine.

And at the end of the day if they knock back one name, we’ll just come up with another name. Like there’s a point at which like legally they got no leg to stand on. They’re just going to have to let us get registered.

And what I would say is, well, to the system is, isn’t that what you want us to do? Haven’t you been saying like you’re against extremism and you don’t want political violence and all this kind of stuff? Okay, well we’re trying to just be law abiding and participate in the political process like everyone else and form our party and let the people decide. If they don’t want to vote for us, they don’t have to. If they do, they can. We’re living a liberal democracy. Isn’t that what you want? Don’t you want us trying to work within the system and do things the right way, the legal way? What happens if you don’t let us form a party? Well, number one, you’re going to de-legitimize, you’re going to break the Constitution, we’re going to beat you in High Court.

So you’re going to give us a huge High Court victory when we beat you and force you to let us have a political party and something going to promote the party even more and get us even more votes. So go right ahead and do that.

But second of all, you’re also going to basically de-legitimize the system that we don’t actually have a liberal democracy to everyone. And number three, what the ASIO have said, what Mike Burgess has said, the head of ASIO when they grill him in the Senate kind of inquiries and so on about us and about extremism, is that the likelihood of extremism coming from the so-called, you know, White supremacist far-Right, whatever spectrum is not people from us, not people from our organisation, but people who become demoralised, who think that there’s no chance for us to have any effect in politics, there’s no chance at political victory, or a political solution that sit there and engage in some kind of lone wolf attack because they just sit there stewing and feeling black pilled and then do something stupid. That’s what Mike Burgess said many years in a row is the greatest threat. So let us give them something to believe in. They won’t commit a terrorist attack because they’ll think:

“Well, we’ve got, here’s a potentially a political solution. We’ve got the party, we’ve got the boys running, got campaigns. I can get involved, I can do, I can be a productive member of civil society and I can argue my case, my reasonable, rational case for my views in the public square.”

That’s supposedly the system that we have. So just let, like, let us participate. If you don’t like us, don’t vote for us like anyone else.

Host: And they, I’m just looking up here, it’s quite interesting. So Jordan McSweeney, which I know it’s kind of strange, but this is Jordan McSweeney, this young, these people, …

Joel Davis: Jordan McSweeney is a full on communist, this is a full on communist far-Left lunatic extremist! And they will him out as an expert. Imagine if I became an expert on the far-Left and the media started interviewing me about the Greens and Antifa and Victorian socialists and I was like:

“Oh, I’m an expert on communism!”

And I went into the media and started like, just attacking them in the media as an expert. That’s basically what these people are like. They’re not experts, they’re activists!

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Host: Yeah, but well that’s what I’m saying. Like just off the back of his profile, Jordan McSweeney researches the FAR right with a focus on the organisation and communication of far-Right parties. And movements. He’s the author of Far Right Political Parties in Australia. His work has been published. Blah, blah, blah. Jordan is a senior research fellow at the centre of Deliberative Democracy and Global Governance at the University of Canberra. So it’s no surprise that he resides in Canberra. But going to the article, it’s he proves your point for all he’s worth. Jordan McSweeney who researches the far-Right in Australia expects if the group does clear the 1500 member threshold it will be approved as a registered party. But standing up candidates to drive real political change is unlikely to be their main game.

So that’s up to debate. You’ve just given your opinion on that. But he even says that as long as you have 1500 ballot members it’s not like they’re going to be able to stop you because you do meet those requirements. I can’t see at least from what I’ve read here any reason why they could. That’s why I brought up every reason that they could possibly do it focusing on the members side of things because I think if anything they’re going to try to target you guys individually like they have already.

So let’s talk about the election. I mean I don’t really have too much to say off it. I’ve put out how to vote cards because I just wanted to put out a resource there and just say hey, this is what we think would possibly give provide us with the best possible outcome.

But from what I’ve done over the last couple of years with the streams specifically we’ve all realised there’s been a big learning curve for me just how valuable the Senate is and getting the best possible candidates in the Senate to stop these laws passing.

What are your thoughts on like this week, this is the final week of the election. What are your thoughts on the actual election itself, the campaign, the campaign strategies of both parties? And do you have support for anyone in particular one candidate or any particular party going into Saturday?

Joel Davis: Well, what I’ve already said is that I think if you’re in Queensland you should put Gerard Rennick number one. I think he has, I think he’s the best option that is likely to get realistic, that could get elected. I think basically wherever you are you should put all the Right-wing minor parties first before you put any of the other preferences. Do not put the Liberal Party above any other Right-wing parties. Now my personal view is that the Liberal Party should be put last. I would vote everyone and personally I’ll be voting everyone ahead of the Liberal Party. We’re putting them dead last in both houses.

And the reason for this is that I think they need to be punished. They are traitors. Labor, the Greens, everyone who has their head screwed on understands the problem with the Left-wing parties and that they’re not our friends and that they’re working against us. But what Australians need to see is they need to see the Liberal Party losing support and the Right-wing minor parties gaining as much support relatively as possible.

So they start to believe in the ability of the Right-wing minor parties or some combination of them to rise up and take the Right-wing vote off a Liberal Party. And that’s going to take multiple election cycles. But that needs to be our objective.

And so we need to start working towards that by basically sabotaging the Liberals as much as possible and destroying them as much as possible to create space for the further Right parties to rise.

And then we could have a coalition of further Right parties that will actually be far more responsive to our concerns, that’ll be, that’ll have far better policies that will actually fight and take on the Left and it’d be much better for the country. And I want our party to be one of the parties in that coalition. That’s an objective that we have maybe in the coming decade or so. like I said earlier, we need to redraw the line, the centre line from between Liberal and Labor to between the Liberals and the Right-wing minor parties. That’s what we need to start to draw our friend-enemy, distinction.

So I think, yeah, in Queensland put Rennick number one. I would say in New South Wales. I like Greg Kelly. Not everything he does I agree with. I was upset at him some of his remarks the other day and I get upsetting him from time to time.

But I think he’s a pretty good candidate and I think you should put him number one in New South Wales, considering the other options.

But yeah, in general, generally speaking, whatever state you’re in, just put the Right-wing minor parties at the top. I don’t think One Nation deserves to be at the top of your ballot, because One Nation are the most acquiescent of all the Right-wing minor parties to the Liberal Party. They created a preference deal that will help the Liberals get elected in a lot of seats. They never attacked the Liberal Party. Pauline Hanson has openly stated this election cycle that she wants Peter Dutton to become prime minister.

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And I think that One Nation there’s a lot of reasons to think that it’s actually a front, a Liberal Party front. I’ve been saying this for years. The James Ashby, the homosexual who’s Pauline Hanson’s right hand man, who basically runs the party, in all intents and purposes, he is from the Liberal Party. His claim to fame was being the sexual assault victim of Peter Slipper. So he’s having gay sex in the Liberal Party and then defects from the Liberal Party and then now he’s basically running the One Nation Party. I don’t really trust him. I think he’s probably an agent of the Liberal Party dirty tricks department, which is a real department that exists.

So I don’t trust him. And I don’t trust the One Nation Party. And when the rubber hit the road over Christmas time, when they were attacking our freedom of speech, where was Pauline Hanson? Where was Malcolm Roberts? They were sitting on their hands saying, doing nothing.

Meanwhile the Libertarians were fighting, Ralph Babet was fighting. And he’s not technically Trumpet of Patriots, but basically is. He was fighting the other Right-wing minor parties. Rennick was fighting.

And so I think they should be rewarded because they were actually standing up for us when it actually mattered. Even though it was futile. They were standing up when no one else was. And One Nation said and did nothing. They took the L. And then Malcolm Roberts goes before one of these Senate committees and I saw a clip of this and he decides to ask our intelligence, the heads of our intelligence agencies and police agencies, not what is going on with these false flag hoaxes that seem to be connected to the state of Israel as foreign state actor. You know, Rennick was calling that out. He was calling out the Mossad, he was calling out the false flags. So was Babbitt. What was Malcolm Roberts doing? Malcolm Roberts was saying:

“Oh, what are we going to do about all these anti-semitic attacks against jews?”

So he’s in the pocket of the jews and the Zionists. And I think One Nation are in general.

Whereas I see more dynamism from these other Right-wing minor parties, more independents. Trumpet of Patriots. I didn’t like the name, I didn’t like the approach. I don’t think that Suellen is very personable. Whoever’s running it. She seems like an AI bot. Their logo seems like it’s AI generated.

Host: What definitely is AI generated. The logo.

Joel Davis: Yeah. Everything seems AI generated and then they just there’s something inauthentic about it. But I’ve been actually kind of slowly won over. Their policies are pretty decent. Their messaging has become decent in recent weeks. They’ve been taking on the Liberal Party and attacking the Liberal Party, attacking the Uni-Party.

And I think that’s fantastic! That’s what we want to see from the populist Right-wing. We want them taking on the Uni-Party rather than being a kind of preference capture for people that are kind of further to the right of the Liberal Party. And so I’ve been impressed with them. I think they deserve to go above One Nation.

Rennick, very impressed. Great policies. Intelligent man’s smartest man in the Senate. He’s got good nationalist policies. Seems to be a man of integrity. I don’t agree with him on everything. I think he’s too soft on mass immigration and things like that. But he’s still a restrictionist and he’s solid on free speech. He’s solid on nationalist policy across the board. And he called out Israeli and jewish influence at the decisive point. And you think he proved that he’s a genuine actor.

Host: Yeah, I think the most important thing with these guys and I’ve backed these guys as well, I actually voted for Craig Kelly myself in New South Wales.

But with regards to One Nation specifically, just I’ve got here, you know, Pauline Hanson’s One Nation is just behind the Greens at the moment in terms of party percentage coming into this election.

And I think our strategy with at least our how to vote cards and most of the how to vote cards that are out there from independent sources like us, the strategy behind putting them there is just making sure that we get people that are actually going to have the best chance to win! Like in the Hunter, you’ve got. What’s his name?

Joel Davis: Well, I mean, in the Lower house, if you’ve got a One Nation, like a lot of the lower house seats don’t have that many candidates. Most seats are not going to have a Rennick candidate.

But yeah, in the Hunter seat in Newcastle, I saw that the One Nation is polling great there. Like I would put them one there because it’d be better for them to win, obviously.

Host: Yeah, so that’s what I’m getting at.

So our strategy was, despite the fact that One Nation has lots of flaws that you’ve just laid out, we want to put the best possible candidate up that we know that has the best possible chance of actually winning.

And I think it’s just a matter of getting them to be responsive like the Craig Kelly’s, like the Gerard Rennicks. Because I think one valuable thing that these guys do that other candidates and other politicians don’t do is that they don’t respond to us. They’ve made themselves very valuable to our grievances and to at least have some sort of discourse.

Even if they don’t change their mind or even if they just decide not I’m stuck on this side this idea or this policy, at least they’re responsive. Other politicians, …

Joel Davis: Absolutely!

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Host: They either don’t give us a chance or we have to force a chance our way. We have to you know, throw like literally like the guys over the last few weeks, like Lawrence from what’s news. He had to literally throw himself into lion’s den at that Medicare press conference and just say:

“Hey, what the fuck’s going on with the 1.8 million people that you’re bringing in through the immigration policy over the next five years?”

But yeah, I think that’s the most valuable thing.

So let’s see what happens. We’ve got the best candidates up from One Nation and everywhere else we want to try to stack the Senate because the most important thing in my eyes is to stop these policies getting through to become law. I really think that if the, if the Senate is still in a position where they have a majority the Liberal-Labour more labour than not at least from up current current trends, they’re going to start bringing back the misinformation Bill again. It’s basically going to be like deja have you from last year where we have to start trying to petition independent Senators again to stop stop the Bill having the numbers. But let’s see what happens.

I kind of excited but kind of let down as well by the fact that we’ve got to choose between a shit leader in Dutton that basically backed all of these Uni-party policies and created a lot of the infrastructure for you know, the what’s it called the Esafety Commission is a big one that we debated and spoke about a lot over the last couple of years. Them taking down our accounts. They took down a lot of your accounts. They took down a lot of my accounts during Covid. But let’s see what happens.

Hopefully One Nation wins and then hopefully we can clean up One Nation a bit to make sure that they’re a bit more responsive to what what we want. Because at the moment I feel like they’re serving the Liberal Party and they’re the Pauline Hanson leadership is a bit too stuck and stuck in their own old ways. I don’t think that the they really.

Joel Davis: Yeah. Well, the thing with One Nation is that Pauline Hanson is written into their constitution. Their members don’t have the ability to vote her out and vote other leadership in.

Host: Yeah.

Joel Davis: And the members have basically no rights at all! There’s no branches in the One Nation Party. I’ve had friends try to sign up to One Nation to help them campaign this election, and they don’t even get them called back, you know, around the country. And I’ve heard this before, the Queensland election, the same thing. They’re like professional losers. They can be good people that can be put up as candidates. Like, they can somehow get the endorsement in these parties.

And so I’m not saying put One Nation last or anything. It’s still good for them to do well, even if I don’t like the party because it shows that the electorate is moving rightward and it’s stretching out the conversation. Yeah. They’re still better than. Obviously, they’re actually worth putting in over, like someone from one of the major parties. Like, they are going to vote better.

But in situations like in Queensland, where you can choose between Rennick or Malcolm Roberts, Rennick deserves your vote over Roberts. Roberts hasn’t earned it. Rennick has. And like in New South Wales, Craig Kelly deserves your vote over One Nation. Like, Craig Kelly tried to join One Nation tried to literally, like a year and a bit ago, he tried to push a strong campaign against immigration and then got frozen out of the party and frustrated and left because they’re professional losers that don’t actually want to take on the government. So then he went to the Libertarians, and now the New South Wales Libertarians are pretty good. They put him in. And I don’t like the Victorian Libertarians, but the New South Wales wing of the Libertarians are pretty decent. And so good luck to him! I think he has a good chance of winning. He has brand recognition. He almost won. He almost got in last time. He missed out by not much when he was running for the UAP at the last election. I would like to take Craig Kelly in the Senate. He’s obviously better.

And like you said, Kelly and Rennick, they’ll actually respond on Twitter. And they’re responsive to people like us, and they’re responsive to voters and they seem sincere, even if they’re kind of like Boomerish and they’re a little bit behind the times or behind where the Right-wing is going to go in the coming decades. They’re still well intentioned in my opinion.

So yeah, I definitely endorse them too. I don’t really know enough about the candidates in some of like South Australia, West Australia, to be honest. But I would just say like just put all the Right-wing minor parties near the top. That’s all that matters. And I would say again, put Liberal Party last. They need to be punished, even if it’s short term. Maybe they might do one or two things better than labour, but it’s not worth it. Like punishing them and destroying them and making space for a real Right-wing to emerge in the coming years and teaching your friends to hate Liberal Party, teaching your family, explaining to your dad who watches Sky News or whatever, fuck the Liberal Party, like that’s what we need to do as like the kind of Spearhead of the Right-wing.

We need to disabuse people of the Liberal Party and we need to punish them and destroy them so that they can never occupy. We need to destroy the dichotomy, the red team, Blue team, Uni-party dichotomy. You need to completely undermine them structurally so that we can create space on the Right-wing for a real actual functional Right-wing.

And that might mean one election cycle of pain, but that’s already where the mood of the people is. They’re going to lose the election precisely because of this. They’re going to lose votes to the Right, like I said, and they’re going to continue losing votes to the Right. And our job the memes and ideas that are kind of prominent on Right-wing Twitter now are going to bleed down into the general voter base over the next few years.

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So if we all push hard on the kind of fuck the Liberals position over the next few years, it will bleed down. And by the time we get to 2028, the Right-wing minor party vote could be 25%, could be 30%. And a lot of these people could be elected maybe even in the lower house and we could have way more Senators. We could really start to have a kind of dynamic, you know, shift in Australian politics.

Look in European countries where the Reform Party is now polling above the conservative Party in Britain. And the Reform Party have their issues, but they’re clearly to the right of the conservatives on a lot of issues. And look at like places like Germany. The Alternative for Deutschland is like number one party in Germany now. They have re-migration in their party platform. They’ve got the Freedom Party in Austria polling, they’re the most popular party in Austria. They’re borderline ethno-nationalists, ultra conservative. You’ve got rise in Right-wing minor parties all across the European political system, in France and in Sweden, many countries.

So we should seek to emulate that and destroy the conservatives because the kind of the centre Right conservative Party, they kind of hold the stability in a status quo. They, the Liberals kind of ensure that this kind of basically there’s no real opposition to the agenda. So whenever the Left push on a new issue, the conservatives, Liberals, they always basically, they provide a very weak resistance and capitulate on the core message or the core points. And we’ve seen that time and time again. We can’t allow that to just kind of perpetuate itself in our political system. We have to actually demand a contest where it’s like a full on Right-wing versus Left-wing, like serious policy differences. Not like oh we want to cut this tax instead of that tax or this excise instead of this kind of tax cut and all this kind of shit that they debate about. That’s fucked! Like if that’s what our political debate is, you might as well not even care. Like the whole thing is we don’t really have a real say, or a real direction.

Host: I saw an interesting piece of commentary the other day and we’ll end it shortly.

The fact that Peter Dutton has kept on calling on John Howard either in commentary or literally physically dragging his carcass out to try to galvanise support. Like he doesn’t realise that people, one, there’s a majority younger voters than non-younger voters that he needs to win over. And two, the younger voters, like even myself I was a bloody probably like what, maybe 4, 5, 6 years old when he was prime minister. Not even like maybe, yeah, three, four years old, something like that. I was born in 92.

But what I’m, what I want to get at is that we just don’t care about these old dragged out, you know, politicians that they think that are gonna, we’re gonna say oh yeah, because John Howard supports you and because you bring it up and talking points all the time. Yep, you’ve got my vote. I mean I feel like they really need to adapt or perish. And right now they’re gonna perish.

But yeah, it’s a shame that it’s gone this way. But I agree on that. If anything, I agree that it’s time for them to perish. It’s time for them to be punished for all of their sins and it’s time to galvanise and bring up a new strong Right-wing that is responsive to our grievances, that are actually, that actually resonate with the younger demographic and that aren’t going to be scared to give in to the bullshit, that I just pulled up before from Albo saying because you’ve got an opinion on having women in the army or because you think that the Illuminati might be responsible for certain things in history that you can’t have an opinion and you should be punished for it and kicked out from candidacy opportunities. I think that those days are all over now. I think that we need to punish them.

And I think it’s adapt or perish and I think it’s time for them to perish. And we are the Spearheads of that. Everyone that follows myself, everyone that follows you guys and the wider community, I think it’s a matter of time. It’s not a matter of if or when. It’s a matter of when, not if. For this to come to a head.

But what I want to end on is we’ve got what, a few days before the election. Is there anything that you want to plug to let everyone know where you guys are because you guys got kicked off X? I know you guys trying to appeal that, but where can everyone find you for at least the time being?

Joel Davis: Yeah. Well, I don’t think we’re getting back on X anytime soon because there was clearly some high level government order to ban all of us at once from I don’t even know who, what department. Our Freedom of Information requests. It wasn’t Esafety. I got my Freedom of Information request back from them. They have no records pertaining to my banning. They had records pertaining to taking other tweets down and stuff, but not actually the banning. So it’s higher than them. Could be Department of Home affairs, could be the Prime Minister himself. Could be ASIO, could be them asking their friends in the CIA or the Mossad to get rid of us. Who knows?

But the point is we’re not going to be back anytime soon. But yeah.

So you can find me on Telegram. The handle is JoelDavistion X on Telegram. And you can watch the show that I do with Blair every usually Thursday night, sometimes Friday nights on Rumble. Rumble.com slash Joel Davis. I’m also on Odysee. Odysee.com Joel Davis. You can find me on Odysee. But Rumble is probably better. So follow me on Rumble, follow me on Telegram. Keep up to date with what we’re doing. Even if you think maybe I’m a little bit too extreme, it’s still interesting. I think the stuff that I put out is still interesting. You should still take it into consideration. It seems like a lot of the ideas that I put out lately have been taken into consideration by more moderate figures.

Actually, I’ve seen the influence bleed down like Trumpeter Patriots seem to have stolen a few of my talking points, which I am happy to see. You know, I wish Clive could have reached out at the beginning and maybe like swung me some of those sweet Clive bucks. I could have helped advise them get more votes than what they’re probably going to get.

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Host: But you said something along the lines of instead of spending like 70 million or whatever the number was, just give me one of those and I could have done the whole campaign for you.

Joel Davis: Yeah. And they probably got like three times as many votes, but you know, 70 million. I saw John McGowan talking about this on a podcast. He said let one of his buddies crunch the numbers and you could buy a controlling stake in Channel 7 for about 70 to 100 million. Which is about what Clive has spent on just this election cycle and all these advertisements he’s taken out everywhere. Clive, just buy Channel 7! And turn Channel 7 into a Right-wing network! Put like replace Kochi with Ralph Babet or something. Give me a show on there and that’s the next election. We will absolutely destroy! Like Trumpeter Patriots or United Australia Party, whatever it is you guys will slap and you can put as many ads on as you want for free because you’ll own the Network. Buy Channel 7 or buy Channel 9 or buy One of these big channels. Clive, stop wasting all this money!

Yeah, let’s have some actual Right-wing media. Sky jews is not real Right-wing media. It’s a joke! So I’m poor Clive, like you know, invest that money more wisely, dude. Like you could get way further if you played it a bit more intelligently.

But yeah, reach out if you want. Clive, if you’re watching I can give you some ideas.

But yeah, yeah, follow me on Telegram, follow me on Rumble. And yeah, put the Liberals last. You can read if you go on The Noticer. Noticer dot News, best news site in Australia by far. They’ve been attacking it lately. But it’s only emboldened the support the readership is flying for The Noticer. Best news journalism. That’s another thing by the way, Clive, you could swing them some cash, they could take you pretty far.

But yeah, I put, I published it or the notice. I published an opinion piece of mine called “put liberals last this election” a couple weeks ago. It caused some controversy. Some people said:

“Oh, what, so you’re going to tell me to vote Greens above Liberals? Are you going to try and get labour re-elected?”

They accused me of being a Labor Party shill. I was accused of being a Liberal Party shill a few weeks ago. Now apparently I’m a Labor Party shill. I’m not a shill for either of these groups. I hate both of these parties.

What I’m saying is I make the case in that article. You can find it put the Liberals last this election. Here it is. Go find that article, give it a read.

And I think I lay out a pretty compelling case that like in a preferential voting system, it’s not just about who you put first, it’s also about who you put last, because your votes gets recycled and assigned to other parties until you run out of preferences. So yeah, deprive these traitors of your support.

And yeah, we need to polarise this system. Liberals are the party of Boomers. Young people aren’t voting Liberal. Immigrants vote Labor. So Labor is the party of immigrants. Young Whites in the inner cities, young Lefties, they’re all voting Greens now. Young Whites who are not Lefties need to start voting for the Right-wing minor parties and punishing the Liberals and let them die with the Boomers.

And then we can have a real political system where it’s like the actual Left versus the actual Right and get rid of, just empty the centre. That’s the direction we got to go in if we want real political change.

So yeah, check that out. Follow noticer.news if you’re not already. It’s not my site. I’m not involved with it. They publish my opinion pieces sometimes but I’ve supported it, because they do great work! But they’re fully independent. There’s like some fake news going around that they’re like a front of the NSN. It’s not true. They are fully independent.

Host: I saw an ABC report on it. That was kind of funny.

Joel Davis: But what they said in the news was such bullshit! The WhiteAustralia.org is our new website where you can sign up to be a supporter, or a member. And they said:

“Oh, they’re using the same hosting service on WhiteAustralia.org as they’re using on Noticer News.”

But it’s like literally one of the three top Internet hosting providers that millions of websites use. So what does that prove? It’s like, oh what, we both used Amazon hosting, therefore we’re the same people. Like it’s ridiculous!

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Host: Yeah, this is the article here. This was from a couple weeks ago. And you know, as much as people say that they hate what you guys stand for you guys at the forefront of so many of these talking points and you guys have been have become the test case for all these laws and I think it’s more interesting to me that you guys are the test case for all these things that we are concerned about. And you know, it is what it is if it was anybody else I’d speak to them as well.

But it’s you guys. So it lands on. It lands where the National Socialist Network sits. But good chat man. I think this was thoroughly entertaining for everyone that joined us. Thank you to everyone that joined us. We had probably about a thousand people that’s watched us, a couple hundred on Rumble as well. Just want to say thank you to self sufficient Scotsman for the 10 Superchat and yeah, hopefully we get a good result at the election. I guess we’ll all have to wait and see on Saturday. Thanks for the chat Joel. Appreciate your time.

Joel Davis: Yeah, thanks for having me on and, …

Host: Thank you to everyone that’s watching as well. Please make sure to share the stream out so everyone can watch it a bit later as well and give us a subscribe on Rumble and follow us on X as well as well because putting out a lot of clips over the next four or five days from the election. I’m sure there’s going to be some more dumb that Albo and Dutton says. So I’ll be at the forefront of keeping you guys updated on that stuff. Take care everybody.

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Plaiedian
9 hours ago
Don’t forget people are confronting albo about his 200,000 sustainable immigration policy.
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fdgrdfg
5 hours ago
Awesome. Would be awesome to invite Handsome Truth from USA also
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OopsGotcha
5 hours ago
Jews are the problem.
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