Nick: There’s certainly, … Now, we have to form another party, because having a party, it’s an easy way in for people. Some people would choose to join in a political movement, or become followers, something like Red Ice Radio, for instance. Other people, they think they want to make a change:

“How do I that, I’ve got to join a political party.”

So, for those people, and it’s not all of them, but it’s a significant number of potential rebels, and we need every last one we can get. Some of them, joining a party is what they will do. So therefore, there has to be a party which offers them the possibility and which just got the answers.

But if you think that, that party is going to be allowed to legitimately to contest elections and treated fairly by the mass media, and simply to come to power the other’s will hand us the keys to the government buildings. You know, and the codes to the nuclear weapons and so on. Well, if you think that, you are obviously stark staring mad! Because that is not going to happen.

So a party has a place, but it is only a place in, in a bigger movement. And the danger in forming another party is, you then tend to get sucked down the road:

“Well, we have to contest elections. We have to do well. How do you do well in elections? Where do you trim your message, a bit?”

So you are only saying what people want to hear, and your book going round that same circle.

And as I was said, it was, I think it was legitimate to try that one last time, until very recently, because demographically, there was still the faintest possibility of winning that way. Now that is gone, then, you have a party, but it’s got to be part of a bigger group which also fights the battle of ideas, and also looks to fight on the international level. I think that’s very, very important. Our enemies all operate at an international level, which gives them immense power. We can and increasingly are doing the same and that’s very, very valuable.

And there are some places in Europe that could in due case, course be some places in the United States, if it falls apart, as it might. There are some places where you can have a national revolution in one area. But, I think it’s absolutely clear, that a national revolution, which is only in one area, is not going to survive very long. So wherever we make the breakthrough, and I’m thinking now, again for demographic reasons as well as politics, it’s looking like Central or Eastern Europe. Wherever we really make the breakthrough, we’ll have to pile our efforts into encourage and defend that breakthrough.

Henrik: So it is like a pan-European effort, because as, … We’ve actually spoken about this in the program and it is, a… There’s some good points within this that obviously we are, you know, against the European Union, but at the same time, the, the framework that has been built with that, is obviously something potentially, … Don’t know if we will, but it’s something that we could use to our advantage. A pan-European effort is something that is necessary in this case, I believe.

Nick: A pan-European effort is absolutely essential! And there’s, if we would talk a bit later on about, I’m sure, about the Alliance for Peace and Freedom. You know, we’re getting this year, the genuine radical nationalist movement, including Golden Dawn, the National Democrats in Germany, Forza Nuova [New Force] in Italy and so on. So the real hardcore, genuine nationalist radicals in Europe, were getting half a million euros from the European Union. And they could jump through hoops for it. But it’s a useful sum of money, so that we can use.

Again, I think the idea that real nationalists can really dominate the European Union, … Someone once said to me:

“Well they’ve building a house for us. If they build it we can take it over”.

And look at all, look at all the nationalists in the European Union, the big block from the Front National, the big block from Italy and so on, … Let’s get it clear, they are not nationalists! A lot of the rank and file are, and Jean-Marie Le Pen was a nationalist, although he had civic overtones, or undertones which went with the French experience, and so on. And his own experience, you know, in the Army in Algeria and such like.

But certainly under his daughter the Front National is not a nationalist party, it’s a pro-Zionist party, which is OK or good on Islam, as far as it goes. But even on immigration, in their position, because they’ve got to stop, the same as UKIP, we’ve got to stop all the immigration from some countries, Islamic countries or Eastern Europe, so that we can have more of our traditional immigrants from Africa. Well, you know, I can assure you, thanks but no thanks.

Henrik: Right.

Jack: Yeah, and I think Miss Le Pen’s, … Her, … Some of her biggest backers are homosexuals in France. I’ve read somewhere that her second in command is a homosexual male. And I think there’s about four or five homosexuals that are actually in her block. I’m not quite sure if that’s the case, but from what I’ve read that she has quite a few high ranking homosexuals in her party.

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Jack: I was going to say, if things get really bad, you don’t think there’s any way to, I mean honestly, I mean repatriating people could work. There’s no way you think that any government in the next twenty, thirty years will decide that repatriation of undesirables could be an option?

Nick: Well you hit the word on the head there, the “undesirables”. Yes. Repatriating the undesirables could probably be done. But in demographic terms, the undesirables aren’t the problem. It’s the ones who are perfectly desirable and perfectly OK in our county — they’re still a demographic disaster which converts us into a minority in our own country.

Jack:When I said “undesirable” I meant, … When I said undesirable I mean, pretty much, voluntarily repatriating people. All non-English people, and then probably involuntary repatriating the most undesirable population in the minority population. If the political climate in the country changes to such an extent that people realize they are losing their homeland, do you not think that our government will listen to the will of the people and possibly even forcibly repatriate people who do not belong in the country? Because they’ve never assimilated, they can’t assimilate, and there’s no way, there’s no way forward with them. I mean, they brought them at that some stage, so there’s no reason to remove people at a certain stage as well?

Nick: Well, bear in mind, first of all they brought them in not by accident. They brought them in to do what it has done to us. So just because it’s now creating chaos and trouble, they won’t want to reverse it. They were brought in to destroy us and it’s doing the job. The second point, is that it’s really the squeaky hinge, the people who push who get listened to and if there was any hint of any kind of serious repatriation program, then you would have hundreds of thousands, if not millions of the various different ethnics, mobilized, particularly around the Islamic banner and the far left and liberals, all turning out in vast numbers.

And you have the people who run the United States of America having colored revolutions, left, right and center, destroying the economy in order to stop any nationalist revival in any part of Western Europe. It’s simply isn’t realistic to believe that the public will wake up enough to be able, to be prepared to put their country through a state of civil war in the streets and having their economy crushed, from outside by the international banking cartels, and so on. People simply won’t do it.

So, no, it’s not, it’s not realistic. It’s not realistic even to say we can control our own streets. Because when we, when we were talking earlier about the arms that, you know, the Muslim community have and so on, … In a way the arms aren’t the problem. You can always get arms, you can always fight. It’s a mental thing! And the fact is, if you go into any, any gym, anywhere in, certainly Britain, I know it’s very similar in France and Belgium and so on. You won’t find young White men, very many of them, in the gym. You’ll find some Poles in Britain, that is about it.

Most of the people in the gyms are young, are members of young ethnic minorities. The overwhelming majority of the Muslims or half castes or blacks who are about to become Muslim. And they’re training there in order to fight jihad. While young Brits, if they’re good on some Play Station game they think they are the bees knees. [laughter]The fact is we could not win a fight in this country at present. We don’t have a people with a mentality to fight. Ireland is a different matter, for instance, but not Britain and not Belgium and not France.

Jack: I would have to agree with you because of the fact that the vast majority of nationalists that I encounter on the Internet, hide behind pseudonyms and pictures of Thor and Odin. There’s not too many even nationalists who are willing to actually step up and show their face and get on to the street. It’s quite alarming. You won’t find any young Islamic male, covering his face. He probably covers his wife’s face.

Henrik: Well, but then Jack, Jack that is obviously because they do have more to lose in terms of, … They might have a family and employment, etc. If they show their face they might lose their job. I mean we, we do understand why many do that. It doesn’t have to, that doesn’t mean that, of course, that there isn’t people that might, might be in position where they can show their face and they just don’t want to, you know, something else is going on there.

But one point I feel I have to make here, is that, you know, many of the people who come to our countries, they have come voluntarily, right? I mean they have, at least this latest migration wave, they have walked into our countries themselves. They have fled from conditions that now are coming to our countries. We haven’t even gotten into the fight yet. We have much more to lose than they do, right? We shouldn’t underestimate the fact that when we get, really get into this fight. I mean, sure, we might have a state and a police force, a military even, that initially might turn on it’s own people in order to protect these minorities etc.

But what I’m saying is that when conditions get worse and worse, I think that we are going to see something which we have seen, you know, historically in the past, is that we step up to the plate, the whole game changes at that point. I think we’re not there yet, we still, we’re still in a position where we have too much to lose and that’s why I think we’re seeing what we’re seeing right now.

Nick: I think we can actually square the circle with this, because I agree with you there Henrik. For despite what I’ve said, apparently sounding rather different, I think it’s this. You talk about or we’ve been talking about, will people show their faces on the street? Well yes, when it comes to it, quite large numbers will. They will then find that the ones in the front ranks get their faces blown off by radical Muslims, and gangs aligned with them, armed with vast numbers of high powered, serious pump action shotguns and such like.

And any attempt by our people to organize to resist, which would involve obviously the use of armed force, will be ruthlessly crushed by our police forces as they desperately try to keep order. Not least, because they know more about our people, we’re easy to infiltrate than the ethnic minorities and the Muslims.

So, our armed resistance will be heavily, heavily restricted and repressed, where they’re basically allowed to do what they want, because no one can stop them. With the result that the casualty rate amongst our people is going to be horrendous. And the only way that people in West European countries will survive, is if they have contact with people in Central and Eastern Europe, who provide them with the assistance that they need.

And again, you can’t run a guerrilla war, which is what we’re talking about here — now, not saying we want to and this is going to happen — you can’t run a guerrilla without a secure base where you can train people, where you can recuperate, where you can educate people, and where you can store arms. And the Muslims have those secure places, in the mini-failed states of xxxx? And large parts of Bradford, Birmingham and London and god knows where else. They have those failed states where the police can’t go. We don’t.

And if there are going to be an organized armed White resistance in Western Europe it’s going to have to be based, spokemen are going to have to be based, it’s trainers will be based, and it’s quarter masters will be based in parts of Europe which have decided not to commit suicide. And that’s, and that’s where it’s going to be.

I have no doubt there will be a Reconquista*.

[*The Reconquista is the name given to a long series of wars and battles between the Christian Kingdoms and the Muslim Moors for control of the Iberian Peninsula. It lasted for a good portion of the Middle Ages from 718 to 1492.]

No doubt at all, because however many people they slaughter, the historical process of Islam is they slaughter the people who put up some resistance. The ones who submit, they enslave and they use, so the majority of the population of Western Europe will remain ours for potentially sympathetic minorities, such as the Sikhs or the Shia.

And in due course there will be rebellions and suchlike. And the sheer incompetence of most of these peoples, the fact one in four of the young Muslim born in this country is a congenital idiot because they will shag their second, first and second cousins. [Henrick laughing]. The fact that they insist on putting their women in black sacks, so once the health services basically collapses their next generation will all have rickets and all sorts of problems.

Once the White man fighting, we won’t have a problem overcoming them. Provided you got enough sons to lose half of them in war. Which is what we really, realistically looking at. Which is why I say, although the new party we’re going to form , yes it will fight elections, because elections are a way of bringing people in. They are way of giving us cover against being accused of being crazed extremists who have to be suppressed, before they start an armed revolution.

Elections have there place, but if anyone thinks elections are going to change things, then I’m afraid they’re going to find themselves sorely mistaken. And the road is much much harder, much longer and much bloodier.

Henrik: I mean it’s a horrendous picture and I do understand why you painted it Nick. And I also think, I also think that we have very different organizational skills as you say, we have a different level of creativity. There are many different ways, especially these days of fighting and I’m not encouraging anything here. I’m just trying to theorize a bit of what, what could happen when an engineer gets involved, when a technician, even a biomedical researcher or something. I mean there are tons of different things that this could, … Directions that this can go basically.

Jack: So I think Nick’s right. I mean, when he said that the majority of people in the gyms are young black Muslim males and I think of Britons. The average Briton has an almost pathological aversion to firearms, in this country. Remember only a few hundred thousand Brits even have firearms. In a country of over seventy million people. So it’s less than one tenth of one percent of the population has a licensed firearm in Great Britain.

And then you compare that to the vast numbers of the population of Afro-Caribbean people and Muslim people that live and breathe firearms, you have a major problem. In the United States things are a bit different, you know, the average white American has a fascination with weapons.

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Nick: No, you’re right, you’re right there. Because it’s, … You know, it’s not Muslim, it’s Wahhabi. All Wahhabis are Muslim but not all Muslims are Wahhabis. Of course, once you get to the stage of two communities falling out and burning each others houses down and all the rest of it, then the people in the middle tend to get squeezed and pushed to the extreme. So the large majority will go that way. But, even when you take all the Sunni Muslim population and you add in large numbers of the blacks and the half castes, who will tend to go with them as a way of hitting White society and a way of being somebody and all the rest. When you put that in, there’s not everybody else, there’s lots of, as you say, others, the Hindus, the Sikhs, the genuinely moderate ones who left their own countries to get away from that kind of lunacy. And the answer for them, is your right, to self deport. Because they have got somewhere quite comfortable to go.

I remember when we first, when we won our first little council seat in 2001, there was an opinion poll done by one the ethnic newspapers. I can’t remember which one. And they came up with a figure, something like thirty percent of the ethnic minorities in Britain were now actively considering whether at some point they would have to go back to their own homelands, because of the rise of the BNP. We won a council in a little bit of? Blackburn? with, I think, it was  a total electorate of about 4,000. And thirty percent was saying, “We might have to go home”.

So you’re absolutely right. A lot would self-deport. But the ones who the real problem, the young violent fighting ones, simply won’t want to go and they’ll be a horrible mess before we sort that out. And because our elites are on their side more than on our side, that’s why, if it comes to that, we are going to lose big style, before finally our people, got to start fighting, but also develop the organization and the mentality to make sure that fighting works.

It’ll be far, far more comfortable, if by a combination of good luck, good fortune and people like us arguing against the English Defence League, Pamela Geller types:

 

“We’ve got to go to war with every last one of them”.

And if we’re very, very lucky, we might get to the stage, like I say, where we can create out of these multi racial hell hole shambles, something whereby our community has an identity and a pride and a cohesion within itself. And at point can survive, even as a minority, quite happily as the dominant minority for as long as it takes.

Henrik: It’s almost like that this is a kind of a cleansing going on of sorts, as society, and unfortunately I’m ashamed to say it, but I mean, our culture has just ended up in the toilet, and I mean it’s not directly our fault obviously. Because we have we have a lot of powerful people, a lot of money working on breaking, breaking down our our cultural cohesion, breaking down our, you know, our ethnic consciousness. You know, attacking us for who we are, making us feel guilt and shame for who we are, etc.

At the same time we have, we have allowed that, right? We have not had a defense system, we haven’t had the antibodies to fight this, we haven’t had the mind to fight this. And it’s almost like that the, the rot in our society is something that is being, you know, it’s being exposed right now. And the weak tenets of it is going to be, you know, eaten up by all these parasites, to be honest. [laughing]

And I wonder to a certain degree, you know, anything that is, anything that’s starting to die in nature, … I mean this is what happens, right? You have a lot of things just come in and that start to break that thing down, right? I mean, I can’t help to see it in that perspective. I think that this will be a, … What I’m saying ultimately is that, this is a good, it is a good thing, right? Because, I mean obviously as society stands right now, Western society, it’s not fit to survive! What do you gentlemen think?

Nick: I agree entirely with that. Yeah. And I think it’s very easy for people, … specifically in Western Europe thinking in terms of, well, if Western Europe sinks, you know, it’s the end of everything. It’s the end of our culture and our civilization, and of our race. And that is simply not the case. You know the United States of America is so vast that a white ethno state could occupy a fraction of it and still be a thoroughly viable, a wonderful place to live and rebuild.

And similarly, just as Rome collapsed, from point of view of Eastern Europe, Rome didn’t collapse. Western Rome collapsed, but Byzantium continued for another thousand years and then it shifted to the third Rome, Moscow.

So, just because Paris and London and Stockholm and so on, may well end up as occupied — just as Spain was occupied for seven hundred years — it doesn’t mean it’s all over for our people. And the key thing, a reconquista, as I said before, there will be a reconquista. A reconquista is about two things; force of arms, and it’s about the numbers that hold the land. And it’s just about having kids, lots and lots and lots of kids. That’s the bottom line of the whole damn thing!

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And if people get that, then inevitably we will win because of the incompetence of the other side, will eventually tell. Once people are forced to fight and if people don’t get it and think:

“Oh we’ve just got to fight on now and will win in ten years time, it doesn’t matter if I don’t have kids”.

If our people think like that, then when they’re old and childless, they’ll realize they’ve lost. Because even if they have won the land back, they haven’t got any descendants to hold it. Or for that matter, the thing I want to see, one last thing. When we go back to the Paris’ and the Londons, and the Madrids, and so on, and we flatten all the twenty and twenty first century Marxoid concrete horrors and all the rest of it, and when we rebuild the cathedrals and the great architecture of our ancestors, we don’t have to have enormous numbers to do that. We have to have some number of people who are living in a stable, healthy society, and that is going to be overwhelming living on their own farms.

Jack: What we need the media obviously to reprogram people to wanting to having children. I mean the vast majority of young people have no desire to have children. I have several friends who have no children and they’re in their thirty’s. My sister has no children and unfortunately the vast majority of young people that I know in my community have one or zero children. And they have no desire to have children. They have totally been indoctrinated from the cradle, until it’s too late to have children.

I don’t see how we can reprogram them until we control our education system, we control the media and control the, control the airwaves again. As it stands we have no influence over what’s on the television. We have no influence in what’s in the school books. And we have no influence on what people think. And so, until we’ve reprogrammed them I don’t see how anybody will even have, start having children.

Nick: You’ve got to look at certain groups. And because Americans has always been open to religious lunatics, and most religious lunatics, with respect to our American listeners, most of the religious lunatics of Europe for four hundred years have gone to America. So America has got more than their normal share of genes of people who are European descended and are slightly wacky.

Well if you look at, … I was reading, … Was it, Idaho, the other day, there was this enormous vote against Trump, only because it’s a Mormon state. Because the Mormons have lots of kids. It’s all about geometric progression and they are not one generation but three, four generations. And if you have ten families, all determined to have ten children, which is a human norm, then in the first generation after you do that, it doesn’t make a huge difference. The third, fourth generation after you do that, you’re talking about hundreds of thousands of people. And that is it.

So, you can forget, … Don’t waste our time trying to reprogram people who think that they can be metrosexual and it doesn’t matter if they don’t have kids, someone else will look after them in their dotage. Leave them to rot and find out their own way, it’s not going to be like that. We have to set about, not trying to change everybody. But let’s all change ourselves, change our movement, change our friends, change our families. And when we find some who can’t be changed move on to somebody who can be.

Henrik: Yeah.

Nick: Nationalism has to be a sort of, a school for White Survival. And the first lesson is to reproduce.

Jack: It’s interesting you say that because I’ve been to the Mormon church a few times. I’ve got a good friend who’s Mormon. And my mother is actually Mormon. And it’s the one place where there is a semblance of normality. The people, … There are children running around and there are people that actually think in a more old fashioned manner. And it’s interesting you mention the Mormons, because they are probably the one group of people in the United Kingdom. There’s actually a large Mormon community in the UK. They are probably the one group of indigenous Britons that are having two and three and four children per household.

Nick: As are traditional Catholics as well.

Henrik: In Utah, they should have voted for Trump! Why did they vote against Trump? [laughter] Yeah, I know, I know. Anyway, yeah well, you know this is a really good point. I don’t know if, if the desire not to have children is, is genetic and there’s a predisposition to that genetically in any way. But what seems to be the case anyway, is that people who are more conservative minded are the ones that are having kids. You know, again, I don’t know if that’s just, is it just upbringing, is there more to it? But it’s interesting.

Nick: I don’t think it can be genetic, because if it was a genetic tendency not to have kids, it would self evidently have bred itself out.

Henrik: Exactly.

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Nick: So I think it’s the people who, … There’s a genetic tendency for people to conform. Especially when conforming within your own self, perceived self interest in practical and economic terms. So it’s the conformist who are breeding themselves out.

It’s the radicals and the crazies like us, who are most likely to carry on breeding. And there’s one other factor, one of the jokers in the pack. One of the things which persuades people to have kids is actually war. Whenever you have a war, birth rates go up. So at some point it’s quite likely that something will flip, very suddenly, as Henrik, you said earlier on, things can change in a blink of an eye, really. Something will flip and people will go from, feeling because they are in a multicultural society, subconsciously, that is not a good place to have kids, to suddenly feeling, subconsciously:

“We are at war, I might die, I’ve got to have kids!”

And that can change very, very quickly. We simply don’t, we simply don’t know. We have to hold out hope that it will and in the meantime, as I said before, and I’ll say it again, in case someone hasn’t yet got it, is that you don’t change the demographics of an entire country by waving a magic wand. You change it by the decision of an individual man and woman, and then another couple doing the same thing and another couple. It starts, listener, with you.

Henrik: Why are you alive, right? You know, there has to be an underpinning, an undercurrent that, you know, anchors them to their culture, to who they are, to their heritage, their ethnic consciousness and that, that is going to what makes them want to stay alive and continue who they are, right? That is what’s important.

Jack: And that’s why also, … just to go back to a point we made earlier. Why it’s so dangerous, this homosexual infiltration of nationalism, because we have people here that are entering nationalism and they are basically corrupting the minds of the people that will have children, moving forward.

And telling them that women are the enemy, families aren’t worth anything. And not to bother having families and having children, and that’s why I think it’s really important that, one of the primary messages we have in the nationalist movement is that people should be monogamous. Have one woman, to have a family, create babies, live in the countryside, hunt, fish, farm. Go back to traditional values. That’s why we should exclude people that believe that we should kind of promote or even accept alternative lifestyles and a kind of modernist lifestyle. We have to go back to traditional values, I think.

Nick: I agree absolutely. One thing I’d like to say on the back of that. I saw a response, I know who, I won’t say, because he’s not here to defend himself or to argue it. I saw a response from an American nationalist with quite a big reach and so on. He said:

“Yeah there’s no point having kids, because if you look at various nationalists, Don Black, David Duke and so on, you know, their kids haven’t grown up as nationalists.”

Now that’s missing the point. One thing, because actually, when it comes to, … If it is going to come to a shooting war, it doesn’t matter whether they were a nationalist last year or not. If they’re going to survive, they are going to be with us or not [survive]. So that is the first thing.

But the other is, having children is the first step. It’s then how you rear them. And for anyone to have, … And then again a lot of the, I think the Mormons and the traditional Catholics and so on, and the Muslims, they have already got this. First of all, you have the children and then you ensure you’re sufficiently withdrawn from the disgusting and decadent society around us. That you do enough of the rearing of them and the shaping of their values, to make sure there’s a good chance they’ll grow up like you.

The most dangerous lie the liberals tell of all is:

 

“Oh, if you indoctrinate your children they’ll rebel against it. So you mustn’t indoctrinate your children”.

 

This is what they say to the traditionalists. If they really believed that, why can’t they have a TV program or advert without mixed race couples, without multi-racialism? Why can’t they have a school lesson without indoctrination about the evils of slavery and all the rest of it? So they don’t believe it. It’s simply a con! The simplest thing is that if you have kids and then you let them watch the conventional television, you will lose those kids by the time they are sixteen.

If you have kids and you make sure, as I’ve said before, that you as a family decide what they’re going to watch. Then it’s a different matter. And perhaps in some parts of the world in Europe, until recently, you have children and send them to the state school and they would get a decent education. If you send children now to a state school, you are guaranteeing that they’re going to be brought up thinking that they can choose which are forty two genders they belong to!

So, you have got to toughen yourself up enough for that. And we’ve got to work on preparing our own curriculum. On teaching our own kids and teaching our community’s kids. And if they won’t let us do that in certain countries in Europe that we have to abandon that country, let it go down the tubes to hell, until one day our great grandchildren go back in, with heavy weapons, and take those countries back. That’s the reality of Europe today.

Jack:And this is something that weighs heavily on my mind, because I actually have, obviously, young children and, you know, whether to home school, whether or not to home school? Can we afford a private school, because we want to avoid sending our daughter off to the public school which will indoctrinate her?

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You mention controlling what our families watch. I mean, I hate to say this and I probably shouldn’t, but, I control what my wife watches because I’m petrified that, … I say, I probably shouldn’t say this, …yes exactly.  I’m petrified that, you know, if, I noticed that when certain things are on the the television there’s a different discourse at the dinner table. So I try to steer the conversation and also steer what we watch on television and what we expose ourselves to. Because I know, point blank, that the stuff on television will just manipulate the minds of the, maybe the most vulnerable people in the household.

And certainly, I mean I’ll give you a nice example. When I was in North America about ten years ago my mother had a close friend who was married, had seven children. And my mother used to go to this kind of cooperative that was run by a Jewish lady. And the doctor’s wife, who was our neighbor, never went out the house, she stayed home and took care of the kids. The kids had turned eighteen, there was five of them. And this Jewish lady asked my mom to bring this lady to the cooperative. To sit down, drink tea and talk. My mother didn’t, my mother didn’t like them. But within six months of that lady actually going to this little kind of Kibbutz in the countryside, she divorced her husband.

So really, who your families interact with, is hugely important to maintaining the health of your family. So if they interact with people that are destructive, your family will end up destroying itself. So, television and who, as Nick said earlier, if someone is, someone is causing your family harm just by the way they think, shut them out, get rid of them and move on.

Henrik: I mean, television is a weapon. It has to be seen as that way. It’s something that’s being used against us to break us down. Equally on the opposite side, the media, which includes the news, television programs, movies coming out of Hollywood, is also something that actually can be used against the system itself. I think if you accurately, actually point out how they are seeking to manipulate you, how they’re seeking to distort the truth, how they’re seeking to turn you into something you’re not, etc. You will actually win people over to the fact that they will realize that:

 

“Oh, dammit, the whole system, this is what they’re trying to push on us”.

 

It will immediately insulate, not, no not immediately but, if you can accurately point out and show that to them, that basically means that you have a multi million dollar effort to try to control people, that is now actually turned against itself. Right? It just like jujitsu or something. You’ve turned that force and the energy that they’re trying to push on you, against them. And that’s what we continuously have to have people who analyzes the news and even television shows and media and so.

If you do you watch it, actually do take some time and watch it. But analyze it at the very least. Talk with your family about it, talk with your kids if you see something, educate them, tell, tell them what’s going on, so that we can use that as a weapon itself. That’s what I would say.

Jack: The Mormons are quite good in actually shielding their children from the sort of stuff and that’s why those children end up being quite healthy growing up. I think it’s easier to try and shield your family from this sort of thing. I don’t know if children are able to comprehend what they are seeing. Obviously, just get indoctrinated and then you lose them. Because they will go to school, they will have friends outside the household. So it’s probably easier in the short term to move to the countryside, surround yourself with healthy people who think as you do and then hopefully your children will grow up strong.

You know, on a societal level, certainly I agree that it’s good to talk to our children, because they’re going to be exposed to things. But I’m hopeful that I’ll be able to raise a family where we won’t be exposed by [to] those things. Maybe it’s a pipe dream? You know, maybe I’m living in dreamland, but I really hope that I can, you know, move my family to a place in the next couple of years where we will be away from all these problems. And that they want to think about these things moving forward. We could be happy and peaceful, safe and my daughter will grow up very traditional and old fashioned.

Henrik; Right, right. Well and also, additional points here on the demographics that, I think we shouldn’t also be too freaked out about the projections, right? Because, they have, historically they have gone up and down, drastically! I mean you look after the Black Plague, something like, what a third of Europe was was wiped out?

And after the First and Second World War? It’s initially not about, you know, quantity. I think it is about quality first and foremost and then that quality can actually go on to create a quantity. You know, so we have to think about it differently in all these projections, it might not be true, you know. I mean, obviously we have to warn people so that they, you know, get incentivized to actually have children, more children, etc., but it can change rapidly. So, you know, we shouldn’t get too disheartened and discouraged by that.

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Nick: The projections are true. It’s simply the iron laws of mathematics and reality. But, it’s always a question off, “on present trends” and trends can change. But there’s no economic reason for them to change, at all. There’s no media reason or Government ruling body reason for them to change. They are very happy, the people who run the West, are very happy with what is happening.

So the change can only come from individuals and people within the movement. Which is why it’s so important that we, that our people get it. And constantly talk about it, to hammer it home. So it becomes a normal thing just as you can recognize a Catholic family, or a traditional Catholic family. Because they are larger than a normal family. Or equally, see a large family, it’s probably because they are nationalist. Over the course of two or three generations that will change the balance of our society. You don’t need that many people who are confident and organized to totally transform a society and to lead everybody else.

So, all we need is a significant number of people who are confident and organized. And it struck me, … I always think it strange how nationalists who, … We are long termists, you know, instinctively and ideologically, and then nationalists who talk about a future for our children and how society will still be here in a thousand years, and all the rest of it. But then, they don’t seem to get the that fact that, there has to be a link in the chain. And the link in the chain is the individual kids and the individual family.

Henrik: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I want to ask you about something else here. We’re coming up at the end here. So we make sure to squeeze everything else in here towards the end to that you guys want to make sure we get out and get to. But, the European bureaucrats I think are using to see that, they’re seeking to use terrorism, for their own advantage. They never let a disaster go to waste. We’ve seen, now in Brussels, we’ve seen it in Paris twice, it’s been in London, it’s just the beginning I think, right? But no one, no one ever, anywhere, as far as I heard, is actually talking about the very fact that:

“Oh it’s immigration that is causing these problems, we need to close the borders, we need to get our population under control”.

No one is talking about this, right? But they are talking about however, is to create an intelligence network, to begin to share information across these so called borders, which doesn’t even exist internally in Europe anymore. And they’re also seeking, I think, to create a federal police force, maybe within the military, etc. What’s your take on this Nick? Is it, … Because, they’re very happy when this occurs, because there is a great opportunity for them to push the further federalization of Europe, right?

Nick: Yep! You know I, you know I’ve been there, I’ve I sat with them. I’ve gone on missions to different places with them. You know, heard them talking after they have had a drink. And the exact phrase they use, and they use it as a sort of joke, but they mean it, is:

“Never let a good crisis go to waste”.

 

The European dream, or nightmare to us, of this ever closer union. At one stage they thought it was going to be achieved through, economics and through Schengen and all the rest of it. And they have been blocked in that. But when they’re blocked in one direction they simply cast around to something else that can be done. And you’re absolutely right. That the, if the  sheeple can’t be dragooned into wanting a Federal Europe in due course, moving toward One World. If they can’t be dragooned into it with economic bribery or economic blackmail, then a security threat, …

“You know we don’t want to give up our freedoms, but we’ve got to”,

that is the most effective of all.

When these people talk about, we have to have, you know, Europe security and we have to have a Federal police force in order to guard against terrorists. I’ll tell you how bogus that is. When I was last in Damascus, I was with some comrades from the APF in the office of the Minister of Information. And on his desk he had a pile of books more than two feet high, and these were books, each book was from a different country.

From Britain, from France, from America, from Belgium and all the rest. And each book was the intelligence files that they had on the jihadists, ISIS and al Qaeda, fighting in Syria who had come from all those countries. And, they had, each file had a photograph, had the details where they were from, everything that was know about them, where they were fighting. Some were dead, but some of them were still alive. And they’ve got all this intelligence. And they said:

“We’ve repeatedly offered this intelligence to all the European nations and to the USA, to their governments and their intelligence departments. And they refused to accept it from us, because to do so they say would be to recognize the Assad government.”

 

So in all probability, you know, the fighter, who even the Turks were saying this man is a foreign jihadists, who was responsible for the murders in Brussels, the other day. His details were almost certainly in the book that the Syrian Intelligence officers who at great risk to their own lives.

Because these are people who operate in jihadist controlled areas, that had identified, and that their information which would have allowed that man to be caught, was still sitting on the desk of the Minister of Information in Damascus. Because the British government, the Belgian government and the EU and the Obama regime won’t go to them and say:

“All right, we recognize that you are the legitimate government of that country, now please give us the intelligence so that we can stop these people killing people in our own countries.”

 

And until they do that, which of course they won’t do, then any claim that they have, that they have to have further powers in order to deal with terrorism, is a lie!

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Henrik; Hmm, Yeah. Yeah, absolutely! Well gentlemen what else should we, you know, talk about here, towards, as we approach the end here. Is there anything else that’s important that you guys think our audience should be aware of and know about. Jack, let’s begin with you.

Jack: No, I think we covered a wide variety of topics. I would just ask that people watch the videos on the channel. And stay tuned for more. We’re going to create a nice library of videos. We’re doing one on immigration and the impact it’s had on Great Britain. Possibly filming in Bradford and possibly even doing a video about the destruction of the nation’s capital.

We’re thinking about having a camp at some point as well. Possibly a training camp where we can bring in young nationalists to learn about what’s transpiring and how, what they can do to change things. And now I’m looking forward to working with the APF and Nick. It’s been a good month and I think we’ve accomplished quite a lot and we should be accomplishing a lot over the next six months, as well.

Henrick: Very good. How about you Nick?

Nick: Well the full URL of the APF, I’m looking it up here, and as I say it’s going to be improved because you’ll understand why. It’s “alliance” then a hyphen “for” hyphen “peace” hyphen “and” hyphen “freedom dot com”. That’s what happens when people set up things they don’t understand how the internet works. [laughter]Alliance for peace and freedom dot come with hyphens all the way through it. You can follow me on Twitter @nickgriffinbu. “bu” stands for “British Unity”.

You can also find me on Facebook, if you look British Unity Party. We’re working on, as we discussed a little bit. We are working all a proper launch for a genuine hard line nationalist party in Britain. And Jack and I and others are working on that. If you keep an eye on those place you’ll find out more, in due course.

I do hope to reiterate to people wherever you are in Europe or the United States, Australia, wherever, if you are one of us you are very very welcome in the Alliance for Peace and Freedom. You will get the chance to rub shoulders with some of the most notorious ne’er-do-wells in modern European politics, such as Golden Dawn and the NPDs, so don’t miss out on that chance. One last commercial slot for me, if I may. In Hungry on the 23rd of July. I’m involved, and the APF is involved with a coalition of different nationalists and cultural groups and so on, and proper decent churches as well, for, … It’s to put a big pro-life march out in Hungry, because Hungry’s anti-human abortion laws which were designed by, and put through by a previous socialist government.

In Hungary now you’ve got a government which is well to the right of UKIP or Trump and an opposition party, who are only people I have ever known who is concerned should they be associated with Nick Griffin. Because they thought I might be too moderate. And now they are the official opposition. And yet they still got this archaic law whereby, although the government is spending lots of taxpayers’ money to encourage people to have kids, at the same time they still effectively got abortion on demand. They want to move to the position that they had say in Poland where there’s abortion in the real heart rending cases. You know, rape, real risks to the mother’s life, terrible handicap in the unborn child. And because they got that they have 700 abortions a year. That’s all, in the whole of Poland.

And the Hungarians want to shift their government, they have got a real chance of shifting their government, and thereby, not only, forget the moral Christian angle and so, as a hardcore nationalist, if you want, just think about it in demographics. They got the chance of persuading their government to radically transform that law to encourage more Hungarians to go ahead and have more children.

So we’re holding a pro-life demonstration, as a part of a big campaign to encourage the government to change the law and do the right thing. And there is going to be a big, big demo in Budapest, which is a fantastic city to visit. It really is with lots of really good nationalists on 23rd of July. Things going on the whole of that weekend and we hope to see people from all over our world there.

Henrik: Wonderful! Very, very good. Is there any specific, like website or something that people can go to, to try to join in on that, if they want to actually be there?

Nick: Yes, it’s going to be “March for Life Hungary”. It’s about to be launched on that. If you’re looking for “March for Life Hungary” on the Alliance for Peace and Freedom or just generally on the internet, or follow me on Twitter @nickgriffinbu, then you’ll get all the information you need. But the date is set in stone, 23rd of July, hope to see you there.

Henrik: Very very good. OK, well thank you gentlemen. Very interesting and excellent to have you both with us. Thank you both for your time today and also of course for the work you do to help spread the word about the difficulties and also of course the, the interesting and challenging times that we are in.

I think it’s a fantastic time to be alive and to fight for something and to really get into something which has it, which is a cause that few people get to experience. So, I’m actually, despite everything and despite how horrible the conditions are, I’m excited about the fact that we are at a stage where we can actually take part in this. So, thank you to both of you again for doing what you’re doing.

Nick: Thank you.

Jack: Thanks for having us.

Henrik: There you go ladies and gentlemen, that’s our show for today and that wraps up this week. Thank you for listening. Intense but probable. Just remember one thing, Europa is ours! We are not going to give up Europe. Ever! It’s just not going to happen!

Thank you for being a member. Some exciting announcements coming shortly. We’ll let, you know more about that soon. We have upcoming, Frank Horei, Jan Ott, Rob Kieski, Oscar Turner and a round table from Australia and New Zealand. All in the pipeline. Have a great weekend my friends. Take care of yourself and your family. Talk more soon.

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