[Morgoth chats with the Woodlander, and Englishman who has been living mostly off-grid in a secluded woodland in England.
Escaping the Grid with the Woodlander
Apr 7, 2021
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Published on April 7, 2021
The MorgCast#3: Escaping The Grid With The Woodlander
April 7th, 2021
Discussing escaping the increasingly unhinged modern with The Woodlander
Thanks to Theberton for the intros and outros
[Intro music and imagery by Theberton.]
Morgoth: Today the first of our guests on the MorgCast. And it’s the Woodlander. So how are you doing sir?
Woodlander: Very well. How are you?
Morgoth: I’m fine. It’s funny, because I saw you pop up under one of my Odysee videos. And I clicked on your profile and saw that you had a channel and I thought:
“Well I love this. Sort of outdoors, getting away from modern life, and all of this. I thought that this is right up my alley.”
So I thought it would be good to have a chat about them [coughing]. Oh you can tell this is for the MorgCast, because I’m not going to cut it, or anything. We’ll just we’ll just run with it warts and all! [chuckling] So I thought it would be good to have a chat, because I was watching your video. We were just saying before we went live. But I was surprised that just how much you’ve got.
So tell us the story. What’s happened? You’ve gone off grid. And what I think’s interesting about it is that it does tie in about the overbearing technology which is a hot topic at the moment. And so it’s like it’s going off grid or distancing yourself from it. It’s become like a really relevant thing.
Woodlander: And becoming more, and more, popular every day. For me I kind of went off grid slightly differently to begin with. So I shut down all my bank accounts, started to use only cash. And looked at a way that I could withdraw from the whole system. It was absolutely driving me insane! The more I looked into it the more I despised it. And the only way I could see, was to literally do everything myself, and use it as little as possible.
So I sat down with the wife and we talked about what we wanted. And we wanted our own place in a nice bit of land. We wanted to keep animals. And when you look at the prices of property around. I was looking at places. And they were like a million, a million and a half quid! It was completely outside of what I was capable of doing.
So I thought the only way I can do this is to do it myself. So I looked at ways if it was possible, and there’s obstructions every single way where you look. But it is possible. You can do it! And it is legal. There’s a, … You’ll have to excuse the dogs in the background I’m afraid.
So I bought some land. I brought two and a half acres. We turned about half an acre over to poultry. So we got Turkeys, ducks, chickens. We’re probably going to have a couple of goats up there. Half an acre for the cabin, and sort of garden area. And we kept an acre as wild woodland. And it’s worked out really well!
Morgoth: I just, I didn’t even know that. You could just go to the Woods and buy the land. I mean, it must have cost a fortune! I don’t want you to get into anything like detailed personal stuff that you’re not comfortable with, or anything. But I’ll just imagine buying like a big couple of acres of land in the woodland must have been a fortune, isn’t it? And planning permission? And all of that.
Woodlander: It’s going up well. I didn’t get planning permission. When I first looked into it I was looking at sort of fields and agricultural land. And you can pick them up relatively cheap. You’re looking at about ten thousand pound an acre. And slightly cheaper in different places. But you won’t get planning to build a house. So the more I looked into it. I thought:
“Well has it been done and how can you do it?”
And there’s an old English law called the “four-year rule”, which it’s fairly simple. And it states that if you build a home, and you live in it for four years, and no one’s asked you to take it down. And when I say “no one”, I do mean the council. So no one’s complained about it, after four years that then becomes legal. Yeah that then becomes a residential property.
So I was looking for land where nobody could see into it. And woodland was ideal! Because I could stand in the middle of this plot that I bought, and I couldn’t see my boundary in any direction, because of the trees and, because of the natural foliage. So I figured if I can’t see out, then no one can see in. And if no one can see in, it makes no difference what I do it.
And that’s exactly what I did. But I quite like that English rule, because it’s based on common sense. Which is, if you’ve done something and no one’s got a problem with it, then that’s fine, you can keep it.
Morgoth: And do you get any hassle off for forestry commission, or anything like that?
Woodlander: Remarkably no! I mean, about halfway through the build, which was over five years ago now, I was halfway up a ladder nailing the cladding to the outside of the cabin, and two gentlemen in suits walked up through the Woods with a clipboard. And I thought:
“Here we go! This is going to be interesting.”
And as it transpired they were from the forestry commission. And they were doing a survey of all the woodland in the local area, looking for ash dieback. And we got chatting. And they had a look around my plot. And I said:
“Look, have you got a problem with what I’m doing here?”
And they said:
“No, not at all. From our perspective we would much rather that people owned the woodland and were looking after it, and maintaining it, then it was left to run completely wild and overgrown. So we haven’t got a problem with it.”
So yeah, it was good.
Morgoth: Yeah. I mean, another one of what I picked up in one of your videos was this idea yeah. Because I’ve got a mate of mine and we’ve sat in the pub – when it used to be allowed – and we’ve talked about this kind of thing. And it’s like, he was going as if like he had to be completely independent, straight away.
And I was watching one of your videos and you were saying like it’s really isn’t where like this you can “purity spiral”. If you nip back to Morrisons to pick up a bottle of wine it’s not the end of the world, or maybe you are in some way connected to the system. But it’s more about having peace of mind. You know what I mean? I thought that was an interesting point that you made.
Woodlander: I mean, I’m about as off-grid as you can get, both personally, and my lifestyle. And I started last year growing food, which was brilliant. And I think the video you want about I actually said it. I started to grow sweet corn.
Morgoth: Yeah, yeah.
Woodlander: And then the dogs went out there and just ate all the sweet corn. But that’s not the end of the world for me, because I could literally get in the car, drive down to Morrison’s and buy some sweet corn. I can’t see any reason to live like a caveman! I don’t need to do that.
Woodlander: What I have done, withdraw as much as I want to. And I can still take from that system what I want to take. But I can also leave behind the bits I want to leave behind. And I think there’s a balance there for each and every one of us. Some people might want to dip in more, and others might want to withdraw more. But I can’t see any reason why you can’t use both.
Morgoth: Yeah, well I can imagine like some dick like saying:
“Oh well so you went and got sweet corn from Morrisons? Like so much for that!”
And that’s not the point. The point is to try and get, it’s like a process of removing yourself from the system to give you some kind of peace of mind. So that it isn’t in your face all of the time. And yeah you may be in some ways connected to it. But yeah, it’s that you’ve got agency, you’re in charge, rather than being dictated to by the system.
Woodlander: Exactly that. And I think the way I put it into one of the videos was, I said it’s a very honest, it’s a very honest way of living out here. I mean, I’ve got central heating, but I’ve also got a massive log burner. So if I want heat I need to chop down a tree. And then I need to split the wood. And then I have to wait a year before I can burn that wood. So I have to season it. And then I can light that and I get heat. And that to me, I understand that. And I mean, I know most people were just quite used to going home pressing a button and the heating comes on. And they say:
“But you’ve got to do all this work in order to get heat.”
And my argument would be:
“Well you’ve got to go out and work eight hours a day to get that heat!”
Morgoth: Yeah. So that you can like sit in front of the television watching the hours tick down until you go to bed to get up the next day to go to work again.
Woodlander: Yeah. Just so you can turn your heating on, and have two weeks in Marbaya [sp] as a cope!
Morgoth: Yeah. That’s like the carrot that’s dangled in front of you. It really is like that. So what do you do for water then? Is that just rain water?
Woodlander: Yeah. We looked at doing a borehole. And I had a survey done. And it is a possibility, because there’s actually a few other people doing the same thing as me in this area. So we might do that. But in the meantime I can collect probably a thousand liters in a good downpour. So I’ve got three thousand liters stored off of the roof, which runs through a pumping system, and through a filter system with five stages, and that’s filtered and pumped straight into the house. Wasn’t that difficult to do. I mean, I watched a couple of YouTube videos, figured it out myself. A couple of IBC containers, linked them up. And yeah, so my water’s free.
My electricity, now I’ve paid for the solar, is free. And people say when, you know, they have preconceived ideas when you say you live in a cabin in the Woods, it could be fairly basic. And that wouldn’t bother me. I mean, when I first moved in here I didn’t have running water, and I didn’t have electricity. So it was difficult. But actually quite enjoyable for a while.
It changed rapidly, because I’ve got a wife and they want things like hair dryers, and a washing machine, and heat, and running water. So I had to sort all that stuff out. So I’ve now got pretty much everything that you would have in your house. But I don’t pay for it. So I’ve heating, I have water.
And by reducing my outgoings, it means I have to interact with that system a lot less! Which was the whole idea in the first place.
Morgoth: So the first major step is obviously getting the land, getting the plot.
Morgoth: Because in theory you wouldn’t have to be in the woods. You could just be in somewhere that was quite quiet. And even if there was a road not far away, you’re still kind of independent, you know.
Woodlander: Completely! I mean, I spent a year me and a wife just driving all around the country, into Wales, we were right down at the bottom in Devon, just looking for the Right piece of land. And I mean, that was an enjoyable year just driving around the country. We saw some amazing places.
But as it happened the plot came up literally sort of five, ten, miles away from where we lived. And so it was perfect! It was a perfect location. And I had to a bit saving to do to buy it. But once we bought the land that was it. I just cracked on.
Morgoth: And have you got a television, or anything like that? Or just your phone?
Woodlander: I didn’t have a television for about three years up here. But there is a small one in there now, so the Mrs can, … But she said:
“I want TV just so I can watch a film every now and then.”
But I think we’ve actually turned it on about three, or four times in the last 12 months.
Morgoth: Yes. [chuckling] It’s really not worth the hassle! I mean, just before we got into this call I was out walking the dog and I had to rush back, because we agreed about the time. And I came across a little stream and it had like a, you know, those propaganda posters for social distancing and Covid, and everything. And there was one that I took a photo of it. I think I’ll stick it on Telegram later. And there was one which had just been dumped into the stream. Now, I don’t like the littering aspect of that, because it ruins the look.
But there’s a kind of deeper symbolism there. Where on the one hand you’ve got like the most extreme social controls and it’s linked to technology. And then you can see it kind of just dumped into a scenic forest stream. And I looked at it. And I was thinking this is like the perfect symbolism for the conversation that I’m about to have with you when I get back home [chuckling]! There’s a little sign of things to come!
Woodlander: I tell you what’s been an eye opener. Is I’ve been up here for years and it’s fairly secluded. And it’s in a beautiful part of the country. And not until the lockdown, did I see anyone walking around. But since those lockdowns there’s been families, there’s been groups of teenagers. And they’ve all been fairly respectful of the countryside.
But they’re actually out and about. And there’s been no social distancing. Whole families are getting together walking around. There’s groups of kids. And they’re quite happy to get out in the countryside. And I would say that’s probably the only upshot of this shit show we’ve been through in the last 12 months! It’s been nice to see people have actually been out just enjoying this area.
Woodlander: The minute it all opens up again they’ll disappear. They’ll be back to Netflix and MacDonald’s and Nando’s at the weekend. And all of this will be forgotten for them.
Woodlander: That’s a shame.
Morgoth: Yeah. I noticed that as well, when it first kicked off. Like for the first few weeks or so, go back a year, or so, like really everybody did stay indoors and you saw like there was drones and there was police out telling people to go home. And after a while, after about a month, or something, because I never took any notice of it at all. I was just wandering around like normal.
But what I did notice on all the walks is – I’m in Northumberland – and the walks that I like to go on with the dog and whatnot. And all of a sudden I was just people absolutely everywhere! And it dawned on me that what they’re doing is they think they’ll be safe. So what they’re doing is going on paths through woodlands and stuff like that, because they assume that the police will not be there check them. And to be honest they were right though, they weren’t. But it did like ruin my walks.
But yeah, it was interesting that they actually knew these places exist, because normally nobody goes on these places at all. I mean, the ones that have been officially designated like woodland parks and stuff, it’s like going to a theme park sometimes. And this is something that like interests me is that if I go walking in the fields you’ll often find that the farmers got like a little bit of land, I think they have to leave a few meters at the side, for nesting ground birds and stuff like that.
And like it says something about the way people look at the countryside, at nature, because they feel as if they’ve got to go to an officially designated beauty spot, which means that everybody piles in there. And, in actual fact, if you’re like going along on a road and you look out to either side of you in England you’ll see there’s like thousands and thousands of square miles of farmland. And you will get a farmer who’s a bit of a pain in the ass. But by and large, they’re not there.
And you can, I mean, you’ll find like whole woodlands in the middle of these fields where nobody goes and there’s deer running around and everything. And it’s just funny the way people, … It’s as if they’ve got to have permission to go to a certain place in the countryside.
Woodlander: That’s literally what I had to get away from! I had to get away from that whole system where I was told where to go. I was told what to watch! I was told where I could spend my money. I was told what to spend it on. And it was driving me mad! It was literally driving me mad! Because I could see it for what it was. I could see it for the sham it was.
And after years of trying different political routes to see if this could be changed I just came to the conclusion that the only way for me to be able to survive was to get out of it. And do it myself. And just to live a life where I didn’t have to interact with it. Where I could actually withdraw and say, you know what I’ve got this is mine. I can live my life without being told what to do! Told what to watch! Told what to think.
And like I said, when things open up again, all of these people that have been out enjoying this will gladly turn their back on it and go and watch Eastenders, and Netflix, and buy their tea from MacDonald’s. And I find it’s incredible!
Morgoth: I mean, some of the people that will probably listen to this podcast, the more reactionary types, they’ve been saying this for a long time that if you try and take the system on, sort of head-on, you form a political party, you run in elections, and worse still you go out and you protest on the streets.
The system actually just crushes you and destroys your life. But you even then like make the system stronger by taking it on. And like you see more, and more, people thinking:
“Well okay, this is fair enough I’m just going to drop out.”
And they call it the “clear pill”.:
“Do what you do, I’m just gonna do everything that I can to disconnect from this system.”
And as we were just saying before, as well it may not be 100%. It may be that you still rely on the system to one degree, or another. But it’s about regaining some form of independence. And, at the end of the day, like freedom.
Woodlander: Exactly that! Freedom. And for me it was honesty knowing that I hated the whole thing that much, and still being a part of it, and relying on it, was just cognitive dissonance didn’t even cover it! It was just it felt wrong! So now I could be here and with a little more effort, I could literally not go into town for months at a time. I don’t have to. I could grow food. I have got eggs. I have got meat. I could be 100% self-sufficient here.
Now as it is I’ve chosen not to go that route, and I still dip into the system for the things I want. But I would take no guidance from them on what I should do. I do what I want to do, when I want to do it. And it had to go that way in the end.
Morgoth: Are you in contact with like other men who’ve gone off grid, other families who have gone off grid, where you can have this like sort of barter system with them. So let’s just say like I’m gonna simplify it like a lot. But let’s just say you’ve got access to a lot of wood, for firewood. And then there’s somebody else that, you know, and he’s got pigs, or something. Is that a thing that goes on, or do you see that happening in the future?
Woodlander: Right now. I mean, when I bought my plot here, a chap, … I think there’s ten plots in this woodland. And there’s another woodland opposite, a bridal way, which is even larger.
When I bought mine, this chap sort of came ambled down the lane and had a chat. And said he owned a plot right at the top. And asked me what I was planning on doing with it. So I sort of hedged my bets and said:
“Well, I’m going to keep birds there. Chickens and fowl. And I’ll probably put a little cabin in.”
So I thought I’d sound him out. And he said:
“Oh that’s great! Nice to meet you.”
And I asked, I said:
“Why did you buy your plot!”
And he said:
“Well, I always wanted to build a treehouse.”
And my instant thought was:
“The bloke’s got kids, and he’s built his kids a tree house.”
Anyway, about a week later I went up to his plot. And I thought I’ll go and see if he’s there. And was greeted, as I entered his plot of woodland, with a two-story tree house which he lived in! Which was a lot! I was literally stood below this giant sycamore with this two story house in the middle of it.
And he invited me up, and I was sat in an armchair in a tree house, [Morgoth starts laughing] in front of a log burner, right, drinking coffee. And my phone went, it was my wife. And she said:
“Where are you? I thought you’re going to meet me at our woods.”
And I was stuck for like, how to tell her where I was! Sat in a tree house, drinking coffee in front of a log fire. It was just mind-blowing! And I think it’s like every boy’s dream that! But so there was two of us doing the same thing in these woods. And now there’s five.
There’s a chap across the way, who I’ll call my neighbour, who, it’s an ex-police officer. And during the last lockdown we built his cabin in three weeks. I can tell you how much it cost, because people are interested. So for five thousand pounds we built a two-bedroom cabin. And he then moved in with his family. Which is amazing! Do, you know what I mean?
Morgoth: Yeah, that is amazing!
Woodlander: And he loves it! He’s absolutely loves it!
And there’s another chap who’s built a little round house. And I mean, and anyone who needs something, if I’ve got it, they can borrow off me. And if they need firewood, and maybe down the road, got a bit of extra.
So yeah. I mean, although it’s not a community. I mean, I could be here for weeks on end and not see anyone, I do only have to walk two minutes and knock on a door and there’s someone there.
Morgoth: Are they like normal normal blokes that you can like have a pint of homemade cider with? Or it’s like a tendency to be like libtard, hippie types?
Woodlander: No. They’re absolutely! , … The reason I talk about the four of us are doing this, is literally because we’re just normal guys! I mean, the chap who built the cabin, he’s an ex-police officer. The one who built the round house he’s a labourer and the chap who’s lives in the tree house, he used to run pop-up nightclubs, in like Ibiza [sp] and stuff like that. But he’s like quite artistic, but just a normal guy. I mean, now he just works around the local villages doing painting and decorating. Just normal people who have found a way that’s just, it’s just a much easier way of living, I find!
Morgoth: Yeah. I can imagine it, as well. And I just mentioned that, because you get the impression of people like escaping into nature. And your average liberal, libtard, like they talk a great game. But when it comes down to sort of like wading through the mud every morning, like sprinkling seed down for some chickens. And then there’s sleet and all of this. Like, at the end of the day, they’re just full shite! They’re going to be sitting in their suburban apartments watching the same old crap and virtue signaling on Twitter.
So it’s like what I’m getting at, is that this is something which more like normal, Right-wing, traditional minded, people are going to be interested in doing. And you see this split between like the suburban types and the rural types. I mean, you know. They’re going to be a lot of people who would like to do it, but are stuck in it. But I think that’s why it’s nice to have these conversations. But you can see like a clear split in the mentality of a people here.
Woodlander: Yeah, without a doubt. And the remarkable thing is anyone I’ve brought up here and shown this place has been like sort of blown away by it! And everyone says the same thing. When you talk to them they:
“That’s something I’d love to do!”
And you see these little memes crop up on Facebook and everywhere else, like a little picture of a cabin in the Woods, and:
“Would you live here free of charge if all you had to do was give up telly?”
And stuff like that. All the comments below are:
“Yes I would!”
But, you know what? 90 percent of people wouldn’t. They’d creep back to Netflix and MacDonald’s. Because that’s actually what they want. They want the comfort. They want that. And that’s what I was trying to get away from.
Morgoth: Yeah. It comes with a price as well, doesn’t it? It comes with conformity.
Woodlander: Yeah. But I mean, if anything I think these lockdowns have shown that, I’m going to be generous and say only 80%. But 80% of the population here would give up everything for comfort and security.
Woodlander: I wouldn’t give up anything for that. I mean, I’d rather be free and uncomfortable.
Morgoth: I mean, the funny thing about that, I see that number that the 80 percent being bandied around quite a bit, because like I was going to say, that it’s a nice way to segue into like the changes that we see going on in the world. Because I was watching something about it.
And it was like a Ted Talks thing, it was a conference where somebody given a speech about how great the internet of things was going to be. And that number of 80 percent of people, 80 percent keeps coming up again, and again. But in that in his context it was that 80 percent of the jobs are gonna go, or be radically altered. 80% reductions in people being employed. And so he was selling it as a good thing as well. And he was saying things like:
“When he comes towards his door, it’s like his door is going to recognize it’s him. And so it’ll unlock itself.”
And then he can like say something into his phone and if he said say “dim”, then his lights would be just right for him coming in. And this is all like the positive things, this is how they’re spinning it. And there’s a lot of other ones. The problem is that requires you to be on, well there’s a lot there. But it does require you to be on this digital database.
And so there’s obviously the downside of that. And what they’re trying to do is just put all these positives on it, but the positives seem to me a bit crap. I don’t need my door to read my face. I’ve got a key! The key it’s good! I’m fine having a key! I’m fine just switching a light on.
Woodlander: Exactly. I mean, that’s where they’re heading without a shadow of a doubt. But I would say that I think this has been held back for years, and years, and years! I mean, one of the first videos I did I spoke about Volkswagen, who in the 1970s actually used as part of their advertising campaign, that their cars were built by robots driven by humans. The factory that built the Volkswagen Golf in the 1970s had something like a hundred people in it. And it was churning out Golfs faster than any other factory.
And yet 30 years later Nissan open a plant in Swindon and employ 3,000 people. And you think:
“Well, if the technology was there for the 70s and we’ve improved it since then, why are they employing so many people?”
And I’m fairly sure it was just, because they had no idea what they were going to do with all those people that didn’t work. So the technology has been held back. But I think it’s now at a point where they’re just gonna, … I’m not sure how the universal basic income is gonna work, because what you’re gonna end up with is everything owned by 10 huge corporations, no one working, and those 10 corporations funding the universal basic income that people will then give back to them in return for products.
Woodlander: Which can only go on for a certain amount of time. Because in the end those corporations are going to realize that this is a pointless exercise. The money’s just doing a circle. And the only fly in the ointment is the people.
Morgoth: Yeah. And this fella, that’s what I was going to lead on with. This fellow that I was watching given this thing about how great it was all going to be. He kind of touched on this and he said:
“So what are we going to do? What is like 80 percent of the population going to do?”
And it was a rhetorical question. Then he answered himself. And he said:
“We’re going to be innovators and poets. And we’re going to learn foreign languages. And we’re going to learn how to like paint things.”
And I thought, you know, like where I live in the north east, which is like old pit towns. And there’s a lot of like sort of rough and ready working-class lads around. And I thought this is total bullshit! These people are not going to become painters! The average lad who’s been working in a factory in Ashington, or whatever, it’s just my experience, but this is across the country.
Like, what you think he’s going to become a poet? You think that’s what they’re going to do with their time? It’s complete fantasy land! And I think myself, this doesn’t make sense. And then you think:
“Well oh yeah. And they’re also telling us all to get this vaccine!”
And they wondered why everybody’s so bloody paranoid, because all you’ve got like, it’s not this extreme kind of crazy conspiracy theory. It’s just like on the one hand they’re gonna like, eighty percent of people are not going to have much to do, on the other hand, the same people are telling you to have this vaccine. And I’m not saying that the worst doomed scenario is gonna happen, or anything. But I can see why there’s a hell of a lot of people getting concerned here.
Woodlander: And I would say it goes one step further. If you’re looking at where the attacks are going they’re going towards, let’s be honest, it’s White Europeans. And that’s the people they’re trying to make sure don’t have kids. They’re the ones they’re clamping down on. Whilst at the same time bringing populations who are much more malleable! Who are much easier to actually control in the long run. They’re not as intelligent, they don’t think outside the box. So the replacement theory makes complete sense!
When you look at the long term, the only people they are going to need they’re going to need to be able to control them very easily. And it’s much easier to control a population that’s not too intelligent, and is used to having very bloody little! And much more difficult to control the population who’s intelligent, and is used to having quite a lot.
Morgoth: Yeah. And more than just material needs, because their big selling point is just meeting the basic material needs of the people. Which is why you see these like these “skintellectual” grifters like Ash Sakar. I think I’m going to do a video on this.
But they’re in this like Luxury Automated Communism [Fully Automated Luxury Communism] was a book her boss, Aaron Bastani, wrote. And when you look at it like it’s just the “Great Reset”! Like that’s actually just what it is. [chuckling] But they too think:
“Oh! Well, we’re all going to be artists. We’re all going to do yoga, and like learn to speak Japanese!”
And all this kind of thing! And the UBI and megacorp are gonna are gonna like pay for it! It’s the end of history. We finally got there! And I thought this is like you utopian deluded bullshit! But at the same time it’s easy to get kind of really worried and depressed about that. And I certainly done me fair share recently.
But when I was looking at, … They’ve got these 3D printed houses. And I mean, this that sounds insane. And I thought it kind of ties in with the going off grid. Like what you were saying in one of your videos is that instead of being terrified of what’s coming in here, we can actually use this technology to, in some degree, escape the system.
Woodlander: Yeah. I think it’s the only way. I mean, if you actually look at the cabin I’ve got, and this ties in. People do think:
“Well you live in a cabin in the woods. It must look a bit like a shed, like with a rocking chair and a rug in front of an open fire.”
Because that’s like the idea. But I mean, like I said, I’ve got a wife and they want things like running water, and central heating, and a shower, and a bath. And so I’ve got. All of these things. And I’ve got a cooker, and a fridge, and a washing machine. There’s no reason we can’t use the technology that’s currently available, and will be coming available, for our own benefit.
Woodlander: The problem we’ve got is that the people in charge are using it for their benefit! And we know who the people in charge are. They’re the same people that have been in charge for the last hundred years.
Morgoth: Yeah. And what I think is really interesting about it is that you can’t actually have a sort of an idealistic vision. So the 3D printed house on the one hand you look at that. And for people who think that’s insane I’ll just explain what that is. And it looks like a big crane and what they’ve done is, they’ve probably got about 20 designs for different houses. And so it’s automated house building. And what it is a big crane and then something like liquid concrete comes out. And it looks like it’s toothpaste. I’ll put a picture of it on. And it looks like a toothpaste coming out of a tube. And then, of course, like how many times the shape that it has to go around, has all been so put in there. And then it just goes up, and up, and up. And then maybe you get a couple of boys in there to put the roof on do the electrics and plumbing and stuff like that.
But basically the house, the structure of the house, has been built by just one machine and it’s got like a weird ripple look on it when you see them. They’ve got them in Germany already. Now on the one hand you think:
“Well okay, that’s the end of the construction industry. Because, if you can get a machine to do that.”
On the other hand, it means that it must be pretty cheap to build that. Because you need one machine, you can select from a few designs. And then you’re going to pay for a couple of tons of whatever that liquid concrete stuff is. So, on the other hand, you think.:
“Well yeah, it can actually be a positive thing.”
Maybe it costs like what 15 to 20 grand to build, or something?
Woodlander: Yeah. Well this was actually discussed and really the Great Reset was put in place way before Klaus Schwab. A chap called Jacquis. It was something called the Venus Project in the 70s. Where he was actually talking about a resource-based economy. And he was an engineer. And he was on about machines would be self-building homes, and people wouldn’t have to work, exactly the same thing.
But what he never got around to was it a moneyless society. And it all sounds good until you actually go. Well, what are you going to do with the people? And no one’s really answering that. Because we’re the fly in this ointment! The people are the things that are in the end. Because it’s not being controlled by us, it’s not being controlled by the people, it’s been controlled by an elite who are only out to make themselves more comfortable, why do they need us?
Morgoth: Yeah. That’s the problem. And like you were touching on before, if let’s say we use this. And we can build, you can buy plots of land. And you can do everything’s automated. You’ve got your UBI, or whatever it happens to be. And you get your 3D printed house. In theory everybody would be sort of living, … Like the positive which could come out of that would be where everybody would be living off grid to a certain degree.
Where you run into problems is the mass consumer society which they created. So what do you do with all of these millions and millions of people? Whereas if you just had a small homogenous country, you can see where it will be like a vision of heaven actually!
Woodlander: We could do this, right! We could do this in the UK for the good of the people. Especially somewhere like Britain which is small, it’s an island nation. And you could actually have something that everybody else would look at and think:
“Wow! That’s actually quite incredible! Everybody’s homed, everybody’s got enough food.”
I mean, I touched on this in the last video. Which is in the 1980s we were 80% self-sufficient in food. And over the last 30, 40 years, that has dropped every single year. To now it’s below 50%! Which makes absolutely no sense! Yeah, that’s the free market I suppose, it’s yeah, it’s just bizarre!
Morgoth: Well even like the sustainability thing would be like there’s nothing wrong with you taking care of yourself. So then in the case of it would be where you could have chickens, or you could keep pigs. And so you all grow your own vegetables. Like that should be an incentive.
But you’re still going to, like be looking towards reducing the population. And you’ve still got all of these tens of millions of people that they’ve brought in. So you’re going to have to say:
“Well the era that brought mass immigration, and mass consumption, mass consumerism, that is now coming to an end. And we’re gonna, …”
I remember about 10 years ago I traveled around Norway and it was surprising to me. Because like I said, I come from a council estate where everybody’s like crammed in with each other. And when I was going around Norway, I saw it’s really like empty! You just like you see a house here. And then a few hundred yards across the hill, you see another house. And it’s everybody’s really got a lot of space, compared to where we’re shoved in like sardines.
So you can have these positive visions of how things could be using this kind of technology but you there would be kind of post-consumerist. And when you look at what the elites have actually got planned, and this is still using the technology, they’re going in the complete other directions it’s where you will be like a battery hen.
Woodlander: Exactly that! And the two polar opposites using the same technology.
Morgoth: Using the same technology. One could be this liberating where we enter into a new phase and essentially break apart this kind of mass consumer society. And the entire, let’s say, a World War II paradigm.
Morgoth: It will be sort of an aspect of it where, … For example, one of the things they’ll say, … Let’s say you take the issue of the 3D printed steaks and eating like the bugs, and all of this. They say that this is the price that you have to pay for a sustainable modernity. And I think like I’d be fine if I had a plot of land and I was left alone, I didn’t have all of these technocrats telling me what to do, what to think!
I’d be fine if I only got to eat steak once a month. I never had a steak, I grew up in the 80s, I never had a steak until I was about 13 years old. It used to be, not that long ago it, used to be this really luxury item.
Woodlander: Yeah, it was a luxury item! Prawn cocktail for starters, steak for your main meal, [words unclear] at the Bernie end. Once a year.
Morgoth: Yeah [chuckling]! Chicken used to be cheap! Chicken wasn’t such, … I forgot, my dad was going on about this recently. But there was one of the meats where I think it might have been pork, or something, well that was quite cheap, but steak wasn’t.
But the point is, okay, fair enough. Maybe we could do with a bit of that. Maybe we do have to eat more carrots. And like mackerel, or something like this, which is actually on hand. And you kind of barter it with the locals.
Maybe materially you would be slightly better off. But spiritually like you’d be in a hell of a better place, than sitting with watching your giant screen on a wall, like eating the larva burgers with fully automated corn, or whatever the hell they’re coming up without now [chuckling]!
Woodlander: Tofu hell!
Morgoth: Yeah, it’s easy to get black piled about all this. But we just need to think. And you think well this technology is coming, whether you like it, or not. So you have to do something with that. I mean, I’ve been accused of this where:
“Oh, you just want to escape the modern world. And you have to you just want to live like in the shire, and where it’s like the 1930s and there’s horse’s and carriages.”
Yeah, I get accused of that all of the time. And there is some truth to it [chuckling]! But you see with the technology coming in, and it’s kind of possible, but in a kind of post consumerist society. Otherwise, if you don’t have a vision you will just be trapped! You will just be trapped in the vision of the oligarchs.
They’ve got a certain vision that they’re forcing on us and using this technology. And so we have to have, where you can’t just escape into fantasyland. You’ve got to think:
“Well, yeah the 3D printed house is there.”
And you can moan, you can see say like no we have to keep these construction workers in, even though there’s a more efficient and cheaper way to do it, or you can say:
“Okay, well now that this technology, I should be able to get a house from what 15, or 20 grand, or something?”
Woodlander: I think in the past it’s definitely been held back. And I know that just from looking into it. Technology has been available which they haven’t used. And I think in the early stages that was probably, because they had no idea what to do with the unemployed, and the government just couldn’t afford to pay for them.
But now I think people are going to start to become massively unemployed in the next five years. And I mean, it’s going to be huge! And universal basic income is going to have to come in. And they’re going to have to control the population. And that’s what all of this has been about. That’s what all of this lockdown has been about. How easy is it going to be to control the population?
Morgoth: Pretty easy by the looks of it.
Woodlander: Yeah! Like I said I’m fairly sure that most people will be happy. They will. And that’s kind of my only black pill. Which is I thought there’d be more resistance. I thought people would say:
“I’m not willing to give up everything for comfort and security.”
But they are! And as much as you may try and red pill people, actually I’m at the point now where I’m thinking:
“Do, you know what? Why am I trying to change someone’s mind when they’re happy with what they’re going to get?”
They’re going to be happy to live in the pod! They’ll be absolutely, … As long as they’ve got Netflix, and food, and a roof over their head, that’s all they want. And that’s insane!
Morgoth: Yeah. I mean, I saw that people are complaining that there’s, I think over the last year, like 700 foreign workers. I’ve got a feeling they’ll mainly be Europeans. They have left London over the last year and people are saying:
“Oh, this is gonna be like a crisis! We need to get the economy to get back on track.”
But at the same time I’m thinking about, what’s the point? Because at the same time the elites are saying there’s too many people, and it’s going to be UBI, everything’s going to be automated. And then, like foreigners start to leave the country.
And, by the way, I think they’re leaving the country, because it’s shit to be in London in a lockdown a lot of these people, let’s say you’re from Poland. You can go back and live in a small town in Poland where you can walk around without having a mask on. Nobody’s, let’s be honest, nobody’s really going to give shit about lockdowns over there. Some rural village in Poland, nobody cares. So they’ve decided that well, it’s kind of like what we’re saying, it’s actually better to take their hits materially and go back to somewhere which isn’t this technocratic health scare.
Woodlander: Yeah, no, I completely agree! And there are people doing that. But it’s not the majority. And that’s the thing that has surprised me. As much as I thought a lot of people would go along with it, it does seem like it’s nearly everyone! And I’ve been surprised.
Morgoth: Like there has been a bit of a pushback against the vaccine passports. But they’re going to get robbed, because they’re going to get the pubs. I mean, Boris Johnson, … I hate that when people just call him “Boris” as well, as if he’s your mate! He’s not me mate! He’s a piece shit!
Boris Johnson said that he’s going to allow people to go to pubs. But then I saw the more sophisticated of the people who are against this saying like, this is just bait, because they’re not stopping the vaccine passports coming in, they’re just giving you a bit of wiggle room. It’s this kind of sales patter, where they give a little bit, they concede on one issue, but the general sort of plan they get it.
And so that you can see them falling into that. But like you look at the sort of the emerging populist resistance, people like Lawrence Fox. And they are just kind of screaming at this whole system which is coming in, instead of saying:
“Well, okay. We need to do this. We need to do that. We need to have at least some kind of vision.”
And time, and time again you see that sort of Right-wing people, if you can call him that, but whatever, it’s always this reactionary thing. Where it’s like always just complaining about the direction things are going. And if we kind of think it through we can acknowledge that these things are changing, but we want them in our way. We want them in our vision, or you’re just living in the vision of somebody else.
Woodlander: Yeah. I mean, people like Lawrence Fox, Farage, they’re still playing within the system! They’re just tinkering around at the edges. And they’ll pull people towards them. They’ll pull people in who think that it’s a respectable way to change things. But actually they don’t want to change things. They’re all for the system. And it will end up exactly the same! They’re still playing in the hall that belongs to someone else.
And whilst we’re doing that, whilst we’re allowing these elites to control everything, they’ll do exactly what they want to do they don’t care about us at all! We’re nothing more than figures on a spreadsheet to them. They’ll move populations around the world the same as an accountant moves figures around on a spreadsheet.
Morgoth: Yeah. It’s just a mass, we are just units on the screen. And so you need this vision to say:
“Well, no! This is what we want.”
I mean, we’ve been going for nearly an hour here. I don’t know how long you’ve got. But yeah, you can sit out, do you have a porch in your cabin?
Woodlander: I’ve got two. I’ve got a 12 foot porch out the front. And a 25 foot deck out the back. And for me, when I wake up in the morning and I grab a cup of coffee and I’ll go and sit out on the deck. And it’s like being on holiday every day., you know, that feeling when you get on holiday and people say:
“Do, you know what? I’d love to live somewhere like this!”
Well, that’s what I did. That’s what I built. Because that’s what I wanted!
Morgoth: And do you miss not having like a chicken burger, [chuckling] a processed chicken burger? Where like the chicken’s just all pressed and it’s got these tiny little stumpy legs, and it’s been injected with all kind of chemicals! Like would you not trade that in for a piece of that chicken?
Woodlander: Definitely not! [chuckling] I mean, these things have like them saying you’re gonna have to eat maggot burgers, because we can’t raise animals. And I’m thinking:
“Well, I’ve probably got enough chicken and turkey here to last me five years!”
Do, you know what I mean? And they’re easy to breed. And they don’t take up any room. And if I can do it, then everyone could do it! So it’d like you’re talking bollocks!
Morgoth: So yeah, Bill Gates is buying up all the farmland in America, isn’t it? So my take on that it’s going to drive the price of beef through the roof. So only the elite can afford it, and we get like the maggot burgers.
Woodlander: Exactly it. I mean, he’s buying up all the farmland and then, on the other hand, most of his investment is going in two areas. One is lab grown meat. So he’s just gonna say:
“Right you can’t farm animals on my land. There won’t be any fucking meat. And his other area is population reduction! So he wants to reduce the population. And he wants people to eat whatever soy he’s making. But he’s got the money and the power to do it. It’s just unbelievable!
Woodlander: It comes a time where you do have to just say:
“Look, I can’t deal with any of this shit anymore. I’m just going to do it myself. I will do it for me!”
Morgoth: Yeah that has to be, … I cannot see a solution. I can’t see any other way out of this, than this kind of just sidestepping the system itself. That seems to be the only possible way we can do this. Which is why I was so like looking forward to having the chat about. Maybe when Odysee gets live streaming we’ll have another one. We’ll get the responders and questions and things like that.
But yeah, I think that’s definitely the way to go. And it’s not going to be easy. I’ve kind of repeated myself. But we have to have a response to what’s coming into this.
And I mean, one of the things just to touch on briefly as well is that it’s also sidestepping and escaping from a world where like Bill Gates opinion, like matters. Why is it that Bill Gates is so powerful? Like, why do people listen to him? And it’s for no other reason than he’s like a techno crap with a lot of money!
Again, like he’s looking at humanity just as these fungible units. And they’ve got no idea of the poetry of life, of any kind of positive vision, any kind of spiritual needs that people need. So in their mindset, the maggot burgers are enough, or the Netflix, and the streaming subscriptions. And like materially it’s enough for you to just exist.
Morgoth: For me it’s just hell!
Woodlander: It is hell. And the frightening thing is the end result of that. Because once we’ve been reduced to nothing but a commodity, nothing but a figure on a spreadsheet. And when they come to the conclusion that actually the only bad thing here is some of these figures, they need to go, what do they do?
Woodlander: And that that doesn’t leave us in a very good position. So I mean, yeah we’ve got to not just sidestep it but what we’ve got to do is actually start putting something together where we can show people an alternative.
Morgoth: Yeah. And what’s really interesting on that 80% figure, is that they’ve also assumed that there’ll be 20% of people who just flatly refuse to get the vaccine, and go get a digital ID online, and get sort of bullied and cajoled into it.
I think you were talking about this as well on one of your videos, where you’re always going to have a certain percentage of people who flatly refuse. And in order to have like a proper life you may well have to take that hit materially. You may never get to eat steak again. You may have toothache for longer, or this kind of thing. But you are going to have like a free life.
Woodlander: For me the faster they roll this out the better I think it will be for that 20%. Because we’re going to have to come to the conclusion that we’re not taking [60:01] part! It’s going to force people to go:
“Okay we need to do something ourselves. We need to have our own school. We need to have our own doctors. We need to have our own way of transporting food around. We need to do this! And you’re going to find 20 percent a lot of people! There will be separate communities. There will be a split society. And I don’t see that as a bad thing, because like ours would be better.
Morgoth: Yeah. And I see that emerging. I see that emerging. And like with that kind of sort of a bartering system, or maybe using crypto-currency and this kind of thing. Yeah, the preppers are [chuckling] gonna be vindicated! Nobody’s laughing at the preppers now! I know it’s an American thing.
I mean, this is another thing about the sort of going off-grid. I just didn’t think you could do it in England. I thought it was too small, too cramped, the bureaucracy would be horrendous! But yeah, it’s nice! It’s a White pill that you’re bringing yourself!
Woodlander: Well that’s all I’ve been trying to do as well. I mean, I’ve managed to fly right underneath everything, by just keeping my lip button slightly. And just dropping things in, which people can think:
“Do, you know what? That’s right, or that part is right, or I agree with that.”
And slowly, but surely people are getting the message that maybe that system isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Maybe there’s something else. Maybe there’s another way. And the more people will start to think like that you can start to grab them group together, and put something together! And then more people see it.
Morgoth: Yeah, I think that’s great. I think it’s great place to end it there. Let’s just over the hour mark. Well, we’ll definitely have another chat when I figure out how to use Odysee’s live streaming services. And right, thanks a lot. And thanks for listening folks.
Woodlander: Thank you.
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