Monika Schaefer: Greetings. Good day. Good afternoon. Hello, wherever you are. Today’s date is August, 24, 2024. This is episode nine of The Flip Side with Monika. And I am your host, Monika Schaefer. Before I introduce today’s guest, I’ll give you the phone numbers to call after the bottom of the hour. We like to invite guests or callers to call in. And those numbers are 512-248-8252 or 1800 313 9443.

Okay, today’s guest is Grace Eki Oyama. And I’ll just give you a brief, a story of how I met Grace Eki. And this was back in 2015. So nine years ago almost. I attended the trial, the speech crime trial of Arthur Topham in Quesnel, British Columbia, Canada. And there I met some very interesting people.

And one of the people I met was Grace Eki Oyama. And it turns out she had attended other such trials and was very, very knowledgeable in many things.

And at that time we were talking about World War Two history, those kinds of things. The kind, the very subject that I got into some trouble with the powers that should not be, the Holocaust subject and all those things. So Grace Eki Oyama has been in this for a long time.

And today we’re going to talk about some other subjects a little bit different from that. But I’ll just, before I bring her on, I will just say that in my Chatango site, this is the chat room. And how you can find that chat room, it’s all spelled out The Flipside W Monika. So instead of with. It’s just a W.

So the Flipside W Monika Chatango. That’s Chatango. Chatango. Chatango.com. And I posted a video. It’s a five minute short video. It’s called The World Owes Germany an Apology for World War Two. And that’s a video of Grace Eki, who made this very brilliant and succinct little five minute talk, which was this apology.

And so I’ll let her talk a little bit about that too, because we were just revisiting that a few minutes ago. But the subject we’re going to talk about today are about musical frequency. And people have probably heard about 440 being the standard tuning for A and many people these days are aware that perhaps 432 might be a better frequency. So that’s one of our subjects.

And the other subject, and I had put this into the show notes, if you’re going to find this in the archives, is on the three stages. This is a Japanese philosophy about the three stages of development, childhood development. And I will let her just discuss that at length. So, Grace Eki, are you there?

Grace: Yes. Hello, Monika.

Monika Schaefer: Welcome.

Grace: Thank you.

Monika Schaefer: Would you like to start about this, the title of that video? Because we just talked about that a few minutes ago.

Grace: Yes. Because often it’s not me who put the title, but what I wanted to say. And if you. The idea was war is war. And then I feel that the world does owe an apology for what happened to the Germans, actually, after the war, how they were treated, and also the fact that there is no real official peace treaty, and the expellees, et cetera, et cetera. I think that’s very important for people to know and understand, because it leads away for the problem in what’s happening now in Palestine. There is a similarity, but the fact that it is not known at all, it’s a shame, because it’s things that, oh, including the Nuremberg, which was not a real trial, nor was it very fair.

And so that was the part that I wanted people to be at least conscious of.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, thank you for that. Just clarifying that that wasn’t, you know, our main subject today. But it does give the audience, the listener, a little bit of background about first of all, I explained how I met you was at this speech crime trial. And why don’t you give a little bit of a snapshot about background of yourself? I know you’ve done many things. You’ve lived in many places. You’ve been a writer, you’ve been a translator.

Can you just give maybe a couple of minutes, a bit of background of yourself?

Grace: Well, a couple of minutes.

Monika Schaefer: Maybe that’s not possible! [chuckling]

Grace: Once we get into the detail, we can go all over. But maybe, just as an honor to my father, I just want to add the fact that my father participated in World War Two. And the fact that he is a martial artist of karate.

So I wanted to say that you are brought up in a different environment than if my father was a banker, or a businessman, or a Professor, let’s say. And that was one thing.

And then later on, I worked with this researcher, a Japanese researcher who would also make history on his own. But his name is Ryu Ota. And Ota is the one who got me very much interested in, … Well, what really happened was when Eustace Mullins came to Japan, there was a presentation with a professional translator. And the translator, I realized, wasn’t really translating, not accurately. And it was about 9/11. And whatever Mr Mullins was saying, basically, she was translating it the opposite. I almost thought she could be a saboteur. But later on, I understood this, that we, first of all, in Italian they say, “translator traitors”. “Traditore, traditore”. Because it can’t be helped because you can only translate something that you understand. So she wasn’t, I feel, purposely doing that. But from her standard of knowledge and common sense, the alternative so-called conspiratorial theory sounded so absurd, I think she just couldn’t digest it and kind of purified the translation.

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Monika Schaefer: Wow! And when you say 9/11, you’re talking about 9/11, the events of September 11, 2001, right?

Grace: Correct?

Monika Schaefer: To clarify, yes. Oh, that’s very interesting.

Grace: Well, he said a lot of interesting things, but she was diluting it down.

But anyway, so what I did was I wrote out what Mr Mullins said and what the translator said, and how I would have translated what I feel he really said. And I showed it to Ota. And ever since then, he’s asked me to basically become his translator. And through him, I met really not just Eustace Mullins, but he had more than 13 books by John Coleman translated into Japanese. Now he’s famous for the Committee of Three Hundred. He also, I think, was the first to talk about Bohemian Club and Bilderberg. I was also his translator when David Icke came two times when Ota called David Ike to Japan, for example. And he would have called Webster Tarpley. But unfortunately, he became ill and died. And that was about 2009 anyway.

So that taught me very much. That’s how I found out a lot about true history in the West. Yeah, true history in the West.

Despite this slogan of “democracy and freedom”, there really wasn’t., … You know, one of the reason about Arthur Topham’s trial is like, do we really have free speech? And ever since I found out about Zundel.

Monika Schaefer: Ernst Zundel.

Grace: Yes. And when the court in Canada, when the court judged that “truth is no defense”, I was so shocked! Because, well, how else are you expected to defend yourself? Yes, I just found it so absurd!

And I think that is, at least in, as far as Canada is concerned, that was when things started to crack. That was like the beginning of the cracking of the justice system.

And the other thing is that I really, honestly believe in freedom of speech. Even for your enemies, even for things that you don’t like. Because that’s the only way. I don’t want to sound like cliche, but the only way to peace is through negotiation and through diplomacy and so forth. And it saddens me also to see what is happening with Ukraine and Russia, too.

But instead of diplomacy or negotiation, basically a dialogue, it seems that the world has gone mad, and it’s like more money, more arms, more of the things that’s, more sanctions more of the things that’s really not a solution or working!

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. And I would say the really important element is deception. Right? In all these things that are happening.

Grace: Well, like, I think we would all agree that without deception, war is not possible, that war is propaganda!

Monika Schaefer: I’ve never heard anybody say it that way. That’s really, really good! That’s profound. I would say. [chuckling]

Grace: Thank you.

But I also think you have to demonize the enemy, because if you had one drop of sympathy, imagination, or compassion, you really could not have war.

So you have to demonize or as an “alien”, I say alien in quotation Mark because it can mean many things, but something so foreign and different and something to be demonized! And I’m sure you would understand.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

And, I mean, otherwise you wouldn’t have all these soldiers going and killing people who look like them, especially all these brother wars. Cousin wars.

Grace: Yeah.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. For sure. So, Grac Eki, that’s really very, very good! Thank you. I didn’t know how your beginnings were in translation, but that’s how you met all these people and then learned a lot about true history. And then I know that you were a writer for a while, I think, at the American Free Press.

Grace: No. Well, I had a job with them at the Barnes Review for a while, but it was very short. It was work, but that’s how I managed to go to Palestine in Israel.

So I am very appreciative of their help at that time.

Monika Schaefer: Right, right. Okay. Well, would you, do you feel ready to jump into the first of our subjects that we., … And the reason we’re going to talk about this, people might say:

“Well, why? This is kind of unrelated to anything else.”

But Gracie spent a few weeks with me a month or so ago, and we, of course, had time to talk about lots of things.

And I like to play music, and we talked about these frequencies. And generally, people, the standard tuning is for A is 440.

Now, anybody who plays and tunes up their instrument, they’ll know that.

Now, we talked about this other frequency, A 432. And I was just delighted and surprised to hear Grace Eki talk about this because you revealed to me that a lot about this.

And so I thought:

“Oh, well, we have to talk about this on the show.”

[chuckling] So tell us a little bit about how did that come to be that this frequency of 440 was pushed upon us. I think that’s what we had talked about when you were here.

Grace: But Monika, it’s not always 440. It can be 442. And I have heard of 446, so it isn’t always 440 either. It can even be higher.

Monika Schaefer: Well, I’ve heard that there are some orchestras that in Europe, for example, who are pushing to have the 442 tuning, and it’s just kind of tightening things up.

I feel like it’s tightening up a tight wire and to the bursting point or something. So go ahead and talk about the history, perhaps.

Grace: I would also say from 1980 to 85, I was in Italy actually studying music, you see, and around that time, there was also this revival of Baroque music and original instruments.

So I was always interested in this. But in order to save time, I will be a little bit practical.

I happen to be very, very fond of the Italian composer Verdi. This is also called La Verdiana, meaning Verdi’s A, meaning. He thought this was the best that it should be. This was the best pitch. So I assume that was the pitch he was writing in.

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Monika Schaefer: Sorry, which was the best pitch?

Grace: Well, it depends how you count it. But basically 432.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Grace: If you want to really get into the science and all this is actually supposed to be like 430.8 or something, but because it depends how you count it from, the, C equals 256.

But in order to simplify, I also, later on, I knew, have you ever heard of Schiller Institute in Washington, DC?

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Grace: But anyway, there was a politician called Lyndon Larouche and his wife Helga, who is German. She heads the Schiller Institute. They only doer. Music and performances in a A equals 430 or 432. And from their Institute, if you Google, you can see musicians actually performing for you in two different pitch. I was lucky. I tried to look for some of the things that I managed to experience a long time ago, but not everything is on the Internet still, and I couldn’t find it.

So I’ll tell you one radio program with Carlo Bergonzi, but he was like the Italian star tenor. And in that radio program, he actually has three, like, graduate students in music singing opera arias in both pitches.

And all of them said that it feels so much natural to sing in 432 as opposed to 440. And Bergonzi would explain why he feels that is. I also, …

Monika Schaefer: Can you tell us a little bit about that? Why that is? Why does it feel better?

Grace: Well, first of all, I think you are getting, apparently the standard for classical music was about 430, 32, definitely until the fifties with Fruk Wengler [sp].

Now, you know, there are many people who like retro recordings. Could there be a possibility that the pitch does also influence? Is one.

And the other thing is that let’s try to get nearer to the composer’s original intent.

And the other thing is that without going into too much detail, we have chest and middle voice and high voice.

Now, if you, if the tuning is too high, your voice register changes at the wrong place, and that may not reflect correctly with the words that’s meant to be colored. Before you go and ask me, let me just add, I was also fortunate enough, … So there was a time when these musicians were actually doing presentation, like Norbert Brining. He was like the head of the Amadeus Quartet, and he actually played Bach Partita in two tones right in front of you, and you can feel the difference.

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

Grace: Now, at the same time, I also want to tell you that there are people who like brilliant, who don’t like, who prefer the more brilliant tilling sounds.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Grace: And, but anyway, Verdi lost. Why? Apparently the Russian military equipments were already tuned higher and it, they can be more penetrating and they can be heard much better at distance. So for like, military bands in the 1800s.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Grace: That was their preferred pitch.

Monika Schaefer: I just want to, if I may jump in, for people who have not heard about this and they might think, well, why don’t you just play in a different key? That’s not actually what happens with this different tuning. It’s not just simply playing in a lower key. Like instead of C being C, go to B flat or something. That’s not what’s happening. This frequency is, I would say it’s less than a quarter tone or something. It’s really just a change in frequency. And it literally just is., … It’s something that we, … We all have a vibration. We all have a frequency. Everything around us is vibrating at a frequency. And the 432 frequency for the A is, to my knowledge, a more natural frequency that we simply, our bodies will vibrate more naturally to that.

So that’s the important point to make here. Otherwise people will say:

“Well, why don’t you just play lower, play in a lower key?”

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Grace: Just like when you change the tonality, the coloring of the piece changes. It’s a very subtle difference. But I would just say that for people interested, try looking for this kind of experiment that was done where they would switch the pitch, and you can also see what you, how you feel.

And as a last comment on this, I want to add that when I changed my piano tuning to 432, my daughter, who was in kindergarten, said:

“Much more relaxing!”

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Grace: That was the key for me.

Monika Schaefer: Yes. So I did that once, Gracie Aki. I paid the piano tuner extra because it took longer, and I got him to tune my piano down to 432.

But then my next music jam, when I was asking all the musicians to tune their instruments down the guy with the twelve string guitar, [chuckling] and they didn’t appreciate it! [chuckling] So it didn’t work out. Well, that’s the problem. When we have this standard tuning that everybody’s tuned to and when we’re playing with people, we have to come to the agreement where we’re going to be tuned at. And what about accordions? I mean, all these instruments are tuned to that certain frequency.

So that’s a little bit of a, just a technical problem with this.

But it’s an interesting subject, and I do hope that maybe we’ll get some callers after the bottom of the hour on that subject.

I mean, I don’t want to be sounding like we’re jumping around one subject to another, but I think these things all kind of do relate back to us because it’s like we’re being, you know, damaged or assaulted on all fronts, and this is one of them. I do think that the musical frequencies is just another way that those who wish us harm are, you know, degrading us and this kind of thing. But unless you had something more that you wanted to talk about that.

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Grace: Well, yeah, let me ask you, more for people can also try and find things, but 432 mathematically is two to the fourth power times three to the third power. And I have seen documentation how it corresponds with many other amphithegorian numbers.

But we don’t have time to really go into that. But I feel like, and before we go into that, let me, can I give you my favorite quote of Mozart, which is that he said:

“Music is painted on the canvas of silence.”

And that’s the other thing we are lacking. We don’t have enough silence!

And the other thing is that I think there is, music is used especially, … How can I explain this? Okay. Records used to, the sound would come in waves.

And I’m not so sure about the cassette, but I think it’s still rather relaxing compared to the CDs, all this digital sound, they actually come in square blocks exactly like in the computer screen. If you enlarge it’s made from little squares.

Monika Schaefer: Yes. Pixels and pixels, right?

Grace: Correct. And it’s the same thing with music. You break it down into blocks and then you remake it, but it’s in blocks as opposed to waves. This is my personal comment, and I’m very much interested if anybody else ever felt the same, but I don’t listen so much to CDs anymore. It hurts my ear after a while.

Monika Schaefer: That’s so interesting. There’s a real resurgence in people buying records. Records, actual records, because it is a different quality of sound. It really is. And I’m sure that many people are nodding their heads as we’re speaking about this. For sure. For sure.

And that quote, because I just interrupted just when you were saying it was Mozart, did you say?

Grace: Yes. It’s hard to find the original, so I cannot guarantee.

But it’s supposed to be something he wrote in a letter.

Monika Schaefer: I think it’s very apt. We do need silence, and it’s Sorely lacking. [chuckling]

Grace: And [chuckling] the fact that it’s only beautiful because there’s the pause is one. And second. Mozart was like a kind of child prodigy that can say:

“Oh, the birds are Twittering in G major.”

For example, and I think he could hear natural sounds and decipher them better than many of us.

But I think that’s one of the reasons why his work is so eternal. And it seems to, … I’ve read research is how it increases the IQ of children.

Monika Schaefer: Oh, yes.

Actually, that’s a very good point. People say if you have Mozarte while you’re studying, you do better on your exams! [chuckling]

Grace: Interesting! No? And so but shall I, … Let’s move to the next.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, I just found this was the most interesting thing. And we’ll just have a couple of minutes before the bottom of the hour to touch on, but we’ll continue after the break. But you had talked to me about this Japanese. It’s a philosophy about the three stages of childhood. Go ahead.

Grace: It’s like a seven year cycle, but actually it corresponds very well to what Rudolph Steiner felt and thought, at least as far as education is concerned.

But this is the way I interpret. Well, in Japan, you are not adult until you are 20.

Monika Schaefer: Or 21? No? Because you said three times seven. The seven year cycle. Yes?

Grace: Well, although let’s say in the year that you will be 21, you are officially an adult. And it seems strange because if it’s just physical, you seem to have matured much earlier on. But apparently research has shown that human brain takes that long to genuinely finish maturing and growing, 20 years.

And the other thing I was trying to say is that, okay, for the first seven years, you’re just growing physically and you need a lot of physical activity. And then seven from 14, then you get your education in grammar and the basis. And then from, like, 14 till later, it’s, I think it corresponds to the classical concept of rhetoric. You know, grammar first, dialectic first, and then rhetorics. But it also, I don’t know exactly where and how I got this idea, but you’re physically, maybe even a 14, 15, you’re more or less done.

But as far as the concept of philosophy, physics, abstraction, spirituality, that kind of realm, you really don’t understand, you have to be at least 14, more or less. You know, we all have, like, I’m not talking about child prodigies or exceptional people. But usually it takes that long for you to really start to have that kind of capability to comprehend.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, it’s like the philosophical, the spiritual development, all of those things start after maturing.

We’ll come back after the break, Grace Eki, and you can discuss some of the factors that are stalling those processes. So please stick around and we’ll be back after the break.

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Monika Schaefer: All right, welcome back. That music is so beautiful! And it just makes me think of what you just told me about before World War Two, anyway, that it would have been commonplace for families in Europe and Germany to be playing chamber music together after supper, after dinner.

And can you imagine the enrichment that provided in their lives as opposed to being stuck in front of a screen.

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Okay. So we were going to get onto these three stages of development and this third stage, which is critically important, but it’s less visible to the eye because the physical growth has happened. And the learning, a lot of the learning is in school, like, you were talking about the grammar and this, that.

But this other thing that happens, it’s like philosophical spiritual development that comes in that third stage, does it not? And we had talked about, what are some of the things that could arrest that development? This is the critical part. Go ahead.

Grace: Well, like, I’ll put it bluntly. Sexualization! Over sexualization at a young age.

Now, the West is theoretically at least a Christian country.

And I think it’s somewhere in the Bible or the New Testament. Doesn’t it say something like:

“Children should not see wicked things.”

Or do you know?

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, no, I’m not familiar with, did you say a Bible verse?

Grace: But, anyway, innocence should be protected and childhood should be protected. It’s like you don’t offer a cigarette to a six year old.

Monika Schaefer: Right? No! And what are we seeing in the schools? I mean, this is a subject that we talk about often. I’ve talked about it before, the hyper sexualization, and it is shocking what is going on in the schools. And this is a direct attack on us, on our people, on our children. And my goodness, it’s beyond even just exposure. It’s like downright, you know, poisoning of the minds. And then even physical like:

“Oh, yeah, you don’t feel like a girl today. You want to take these hormone puberty blocking things and, oh, well, oh, well, just. Sure, we can cut off that penis!”

I mean, it is just over the top, outrageously bad what is going on! And I mean, it already, it started a while back, but now it’s just accelerated to beyond belief! And, you know what you say:

“Okay, there’s hypersexual or over sexualization of children at too young, of age.”

This arrests, arrests their emotional development.

Grace: And many other things. And it’s like, I think this was the metaphor I gave to you. It’s like you cannot force open a flower to blossom while it’s in the bud. You would damage it forever! You have to have patience, and it has to grow. Everyone, basically, personally, you have to discover so-called sex or sexuality in some ways on your own, because the internal makings of a human being is far more complicated. And you have to let it blossom in quotation Mark “naturally”, because we have been so cut off from nature. So everyone has to kind of figure it out by refining their instinct.

But it’s just like children can mimic words to appear sophisticated, but to have had the experience to back it up.

And frankly, there was a Japanese writer that said he feels sorry for the younger generation of Japanese because in Japanese there is a word for “love”, and there is another word specifically for “falling in love”. And he said that children have no time, basically, to discover that mysterious emotion of falling in love, for example.

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

Grace: And the other thing is you know why I think the other thing is, in childhood you must play a lot!

Monika Schaefer: Yes.

Grace: It’s very important. Well, one of the things, and also you can’t, I think, the way they keep the children so occupied. So yeah. Because sometimes you must have a lot of breathing space and you must sometimes even be bored for you to become creative. I wonder if that’s an oxymoron.

Monika Schaefer: Yes, you’re absolutely right! I’ll just tell you, the German word for “boredom” is “Langeweile”, which literally means “long while”.

So it’s a completely different meaning on that. And I love that.

But, you know what? We have a couple of callers on the line.

Kathleen: Yes.

Monika Schaefer: And let’s take Kathleen from Texas.

Hello, Kathleen, are you there?

Kathleen: Hey, Monika and Grace. A great show. And I called because I heard an author interviewed about ten years ago, maybe on RBN, and he wrote a book called the “440 Conspiracy”. And it was all about. I heard him interviewed several times. It was very interesting. And he had said many of the things you’re talking about, but he was talking about that 432 was actually what everybody played before the Rockefeller changed it to all the marching bands of the horns were all made with the 440. And it was unnerving, and it was very good to get people nervous and upset about going to war or something.

Monika Schaefer: Well, is that something? So that sounds like a good book. Grace Eki, are you familiar with that book?

Grace: No, I don’t know that book. So thank you.

Monika Schaefer: Who was the author, please?

Kathleen: I don’t know that. I don’t remember the author’s name, but it was called, The 440 Conspiracy.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, I’m gonna write that down and I’m gonna look that up. That’s great!

Kathleen: It was about ten years ago, so.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, thank you. Do you have any additional comments?

Kathleen: No, I love your show. I mean, I heard you for a long time before you had the show. And you just been great. So I’ve enjoyed every one. And thank you so much!

Monika Schaefer: Thank you so much, Kathleen, for your call.

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Kathleen: Yes. Oh, I loved it when you said that you’re an ice skater in the wild. [chuckling]

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. [chuckling]

Kathleen: Wild skating. Oh, that’s so great.

And then all of your music, it’s wonderful! And, Grace, I really appreciated everything that you said, too.

Grace: Okay. So thank you so much!

Monika Schaefer: Well, thank you for your call. Okay. So, Mr producer, could we please have Nightingale on line three? Are you there?

Nightingale: Yes. Monika, can you hear me?

Monika Schaefer: Yes, we can. Thank you. Would you like to add a comment or question?

Nightingale: Thank you so much! I’m overjoyed to meet you. I want to say it’s an honor to meet such a brave, talented, honorable lady. Thank you so much! Just a fact that you play the music for your bumper music. I said, wow, RBM is getting classy. Fun! [chuckling] It was so beautiful! What a change. Usually I shut the bumpers off. Some of the host I listen to, I run to the phone and say:

“I don’t want to hear that!”

And I wait till the ads and the music are gone. [chuckling]

But with you, …

Monika Schaefer: That’s sweet of you. Thank you. Did you have any questions or comments for your guest, Grace Eki?

Nightingale: Yes, yes, I’m getting there. This has been fascinating! I just turned it on. Sometimes I listen live, sometimes it doesn’t work for me. I’m always on the cell phone, but sometimes it does a bit, and I turn it on just when your wonderful guest, her name is Grace. She’s been very, very personal to me. What I heard, very fascinating! She talked about a beautiful., … It was a beautiful anecdote. She thinks it’s from Mozart. That “music is painted on the canvas of silence”.

And I wanted to add that that is so beautiful, because it’s not just music, but it’s, I think, pretty much everything. Mystic experiences, the feeling of sacred is also. Everybody talks about it. All the mystics are on the, come out of silence. Even our myths of creation come out of silence. Things were “created by the word”, Elvero Incarnado, which is Spanish. What is it, the word incarnate? I don’t know if that’s that. But yeah, but it’s sound. Started creating the manifest world, I guess.

So this is very, very beautiful. And I heard many beautiful things. I heard the comment about spirituality, Rudolf Steiner ideas, spirituality developed later on.

But I have to say that I have to disagree with that a bit because I had, personally, some very mystical experiences. A very, very young child. And they did start going away. I totally agree with the over sexualization, because I think that’s when they started going away for me. Sex was just very much in my face with the world I lived in, my parents, and a lot of violence and jealousy! [chuckling] And it was always sad for me as a very young child.

But then when I hit puberty, I was very, very curious, and I did naughty things. You know, I wanted to see what this wonderful thing was. Right? And I learned that it wasn’t what it was touted to be. If love is not involved, if the falling in love, like you mentioned, but it can be a lot of fun. But it’s not falling in love. That’s a totally different thing.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah.

Nightingale: This has been very personal, what you were speaking of, because, yes, I had a, as a very young person before I was into sex, you might say, I had even incredible out of body experience, which I will always cherish. I hope that just before I die, I get there again, because it was like total unity.

I don’t know if you guys ever felt that, but the only experience I’ve ever had that I reserved the word “bliss” for. And it was just, it was just fascinating because I was totally not there. But you’re in everything when you exist, I guess, what people call a cosmic consciousness. And it was this overwhelming, powerful light that was so incredibly beautiful.

But then I was, it was going to annihilate me, which is a very mystery because I was not there, and yet I felt totally annihilation. And somewhere, I guess I was very young, somewhere in the body, I guess I wasn’t ready to go. And I was at the moment, so I realized that fear the root of all our issues, because it was fear that brought me back into the body. And then I felt so horrible to be back in the cave, and I just hated myself for being a coward! But someday maybe it’ll come back and I’ll be ready too.

Monika Schaefer: That’s an incredibly profound experience. Thank you for sharing that, Grace Aki, do you have any comments about it?

Nightingale: Well, it has a lot. Yes. It relates to everything you’re speaking of and I think I was lucky enough, even though I did have a very turmoil, not very happy household growing up. And yet my father did play classical music, and so I was imprinted with that. And it was the old vinyls, I must say! [chuckling]

And I think that is what, …

Monika Schaefer: Sorry, go ahead. Grace, did you want to comment on that.

Grace: Yes. That I wanted to say. I agree with her. You know, silence is the base of everything. And she was saying the Bible, I think. No, sorry the Testament in the beginning was the word, and word was “God”, but the word is “vibration with intent”. And I do kind of agree and with silence will show how important this intent and so-called vibration is, even more in the future.

And as speaking, I just wanted to make a comment as far as the frequency is concerned. You know those famous water crystals?

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Monika Schaefer: Yes.

Grace: Photographed. Well, if it’s the ones I have seen anyway, at A 432, it actually makes a flower. At A 4040, it makes the outline. It’s different.

Monika Schaefer: Yes. And it scrambles it, doesn’t it? That’s what I’ve seen and heard.

Grace: Oh, it’s not as beautiful as 432. 432 definitely looks like a flower.

Monika Schaefer: Isn’t that something?

Grace: Yeah. Interesting!

Monika Schaefer: So, Nightingale, did you want to make a quick final comment? And then we’ll let you go, and I really appreciate that you called in and shared a your story with us. Yes, Nightingale.

Grace: Oh, perhaps she’s already gone.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, so let’s have John in New Hampshire, please. Are you there? Okay, yeah, that’s great! You see, this is such an interesting subject. I find it just fascinating! And the vibrations, the music, and then, of course, this. Go ahead.

John: Hello? Am I on?

Monika Schaefer: You are on. Is this John?

John: Right, right. Okay. Thanks a lot, ladies. That Grace perked me up because when she mentioned Verdi, I was born in the same province as Giuseppe Verdi, Parma. I was very, very happy to hear that. And I’m wondering maybe, hopefully, maybe I can get in touch with her. And I got some interesting stuff.

So maybe somehow we can get connected through you, Monika, or through the board. I don’t mean to be rude, but I also would like to see if I could get in touch with Kathleen from Texas. I’ve been trying to get in touch with her, too. So maybe through the board op or something. But if you could call back in, or I could leave my number or something like that.

But anyway, yeah, this is a very fascinating conversation. And that, Grace, you’re a pretty amazing, remarkable woman!

And, I mean, I love my Italian heritage and I love, … I was born in Parma, but I was only 14 months when I came to this country. But most of my relatives still live in Italy. So maybe we can get in touch or something like that. But anyway. Okay, see what you can do.

Monika Schaefer: Okay, I’ll just tell you how you can get in touch with me. My email address is posted on RBN. If you go to the host the page where they have my brief bio and that kind of thing. There is a, an email address posted there. Okay. So you could get in touch with me and then I could send your, I’ll get you connected with Grace.

John: Okay, I appreciate that. Do you think that would be a good way to get in touch with Kathleen from Texas?

Monika Schaefer: I have no idea. You’ll have to perhaps take that up with the producer. [chuckling]

John: Okay, great!

Monika Schaefer: So, yeah, and if you have a brief comment, final comment, because we have a couple of more callers on the line.

John: No, no, no, I’ll go, I’ll defer to them.

Monika Schaefer: So if that was John, thank you so much for your call. We have John from California.

Another John, are you there?

John: Yeah. So 528. I don’t know what, you know, about it. Good frequency or bad frequency?

Monika Schaefer: I don’t know. That’s a good question. Grace Eki, do you know, this 528?

Grace: I think it’s like you. Continue. I think it’s just a, C higher.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah, I don’t know. I think I’ve heard things about it that are actually kind of terrifying about it, but I don’t know. I’m not sure. [chuckling] What do you know, about it, John?

John: Yes, well, I don’t know a lot about it. I know that it’s titled. There’s a guest, I won’t use names that comes on this RBN that claims it to be a love frequency. But I’ve heard from others that it’s a not so much.

Monika Schaefer: Yeah. This is something we’re gonna have to do some more research on. Maybe the next caller will know. [chuckling]

Grace: But let me add that everything has a plus and a minus, the yin and the yang. So something that’s positive in one sense is possible, that it’s very, quite negative in another sense. But I’ve heard of this number. I think it was just, 2056 that you keep on going higher up. But I could be wrong.

Monika Schaefer: Okay. John, did you have anything like to add?

John: Well, yeah, I don’t know a lot about it. Supposedly it’s called Esophageal [sp]. I don’t know if I pronounced it correctly, which was something that was kind of in Rome, they had this thing kind of under wraps for a long time. And supposedly someone got a hold of this following. It’s supposed to come from the Bible and, …

Anyway, I just wondered what you knew about it. But thank you very much. Great show.

Monika Schaefer: Okay. Thank you for your call. Let’s take Chris from Alabama. And we really literally have just, 20 seconds left or so. chris, are you there?

Chris: Yeah. Hi, Monika. Sometimes when I have more time. I’m Chris from Alabama. I moved here from California along. I live in California. Born there in 57, married a Canadian woman in 88, and she’s lived in the United States for all this time. We’ve been to Canada many times. British Columbia.

Monika Schaefer: Did you have something for our guests?

Chris: That book is called The 440 Enigma, and it’s basically trying to blame the 440 frequency on a collaboration between the Rockefellers and the Nazis. And it has a swastika on the cover of it. And like everything else, they want to blame everything on the Nazis! I’m just adding that right now.

Monika Schaefer: Ha! Thanks for that. It does sound like we know that they’re lying to us about who are the “Nazis”, quote, unquote, and what they did and all that stuff. So that’s a little bit suspect, isn’t it? And the producer did write in the notes. Maybe it’s The 440 Enigma by LC Vincent.

Grace. Do you have a final comment? Just while the music is taking us out?

Chris: It’s a pleasure listening to you.

Grace: Yes. I wanted to say that, remember that your voice is the free gift of so-called God and nature, an instrument you already have inside and so is your body. And I think it’s in our DNA to love, to dance and sing, and it should help one when one that’s not really so happy. Thank you.

Monika Schaefer: Beautiful! Thank you for being my guest, and thank you to all the callers. Thank you very much.

Monika Schaefer: And thank you to the producer, too. Awesome job!

Grace: Thank you.

Monika Schaefer: Keeping everybody straight. Okay, bye bye.

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