Red Ice Radio – Germar Rudolf – Persecution of Revisionists & Demographic Disaster – Part 2— TRANSCRIPT




[In this very informative two part audio interview (126 mins — Parts I & II) Henrik Palmgren talks with the well known revisionist Germar Rudolf. We learn of Germar’s reluctant inquiry into the issue of the Third Reich and the taboo subject of the so-called “Holocaust”. As a student of chemistry he ends up examining the chemical evidence, or lack of, for the alleged homicidal gas chambers. This leads him to conclude that it doesn’t exist and that the gas chambers are a product of Allied [jewish] black propaganda. Ultimately, he spent several years in German jails  for daring to deny the existence of the “Holocaust” and where, against all normal legal practice: “The truth is no defense.


He and Henrik go on to discuss the perilous demographic decline in birth rates among White countries, that will, if nothing is done, lead to disaster. Both the fraudulent “Holocaust” claims and the denial of White nationalism are interlinked in jewish propaganda, in that any claims for White self-determination are cast as something that leads directly back to the dreaded, “evil Nazis” and the “gas chambers“! — KATANA.]






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Germar Rudolf


Persecution of Revisionists




Demographic Disaster



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Published on Jul 29, 2016



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Germar Rudolf was born in Limburg, Germany. He studied chemistry at Bonn University, where he graduated in 1989 as a Diplom-Chemist, which is comparable to a U.S. PhD degree. From 1990-1993 he prepared a German PhD thesis at the Max Planck Institute for Solid State Research in conjunction with the University of Stuttgart, Germany. Parallel to this and in his spare time, Rudolf prepared an expert report on chemical and technical questions of the alleged gas chambers of Auschwitz, The Rudolf Report. He is the founder of the small revisionist outlet, Castle Hill Publishers.


Mr. Rudolf joins us to share the story of his life’s work as a revisionist researcher and writer and the ostracizing and persecution he has endured for daring to tread into the controversial topic of the German holocaust. Germar talks about the process of awakening that led him to question the “official” version of holocaust history in his mid-20s, when he stumbled upon the notorious Leuchter Report while preparing an expert report on the chemical and technical questions of the alleged gas chambers of Auschwitz and Birkenau for the trial of a “Holocaust denier.” We discuss the longstanding and brutal suppression of evidences that refute the cherished narrative of gas chambers used to systematically exterminate 6 million jews, and we look at the undeniable proof that the powers that be have been using this “miracle weapon” to psychologically trounce German and Western European identity. Then, Germar gives a straightforward definition of a “revisionist,” underscoring that in the case of the “Holocaust“, the general issues of persecution and unjust treatment of Jews is not denied. He highlights some of the chemical, structural and biological evidence that points to a starkly contrasting story than what has been painted throughout 70+ years of political propagandizing. Germar also touches on the thought crimes that sent him to prison for 44 months and the blatant lawlessness of court proceedings he’s witnessed, and he gives a rundown of his latest book, Resistance is Obligatory.


In the members’ segment, Germar goes deeper into exposing free speech hijacking and human dignity suppression that is at the core of revisionist work. We consider the massive power structure upheaval that would need to occur in order for Western civilization at large to achieve a complete paradigm shift and accept the fact that we have been lied to and manipulated on so many levels concerning WWI/II. Then, we talk about the establishment’s grave fear of the rise of nationalism despite the recent terrorist attacks by hostile foreign invaders in Germany and France, and Germar gives a grim picture of the migration statistics for Europe, which is seeing many of its best and brightest indigenous populations fleeing the monster and taking up residence elsewhere. We discuss the most critical extinction level crisis that is plaguing Europe – the demographic decline of natives resulting from the shrinking birth rate. Germar emphasizes the financial implications of Europeans allowing themselves to be bred out, and we debate whether or not the government’s (dis)incentivizing having larger families is really the issue. We give some thought to the role of the 1960s sexual revolution, the advent of birth control, and the lost sense awareness that we live in a chain of generations that keeps the social order on course. At the end, we weigh up how the crisis the West is spawning many religious zealots and a rising core of radical traditionalist who may or may not be able to rescue the vanishing European civilization.




Transcript — Part 2/2


 [56:00 min]


NOTE: PART I is here:

Red Ice Radio – Germar Rudolf – Persecution of Revisionists & Demographic Disaster – Part 1— TRANSCRIPT




Henrik: Welcome back ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us here in the second hour. Always a pleasure to have you with us. We are speaking with Germar Rudolf, the, well, “thought criminal!” The enemy of the state, if you will. We’re talking about his work, his struggles as a revisionist, his persecution by government and the authorities for daring to do research and have an interest and a passion in history that very few others have.


Now, I’ve always been very interested in these kinds of areas, in these kinds of cases where there is intense pressure from authorities, from the judicial, or justice system, and to go after people that hold dissenting views. I think we should all, as you said, in the first segment, Germar, interest ourselves for those cases, to try to see what it is that they are really are actually covering up, if you will. But I think we’ll probably never get people in office, in, you know, official positions to recognize much of this work. They might just have to be, I don’t know, replaced by a younger crowd that are willing to listen. But it’s very difficult, because the pressure and the programming and the propaganda is so strong.


In fact, if we look at so-called, you know, “Holocaust education“, that has gotten more intense over the decades, I would say. But before we talk more about what happened at some of the camps, what the data say, what your findings point to, let me just ask you:

What do you think it would take for the scales to tip and for people to actually open their eyes and have a more curious approach to history and the kind of things that you’re focusing on?

And what would the consequences of something like this, be, if people started looking at this?



Germar: Well, we are in the area of speculation, now. And I’ve been wrong with what I thought it takes before, so I’m very careful with predictions in this regard. Historically speaking, Arthur Butz once said, if all the political circumstances are right, things will start falling into place. He has the comparison with the Donation of Constantine, where a forgery, a medieval forgery by the Church claimed that in the year 300 AD something, when the emperor Constantine converted to Christianity. He handed over the Roman Empire to the Christian church and therefore everything is owned by the Christian Church. There was forgery and has been known for a long time, well documented, but it came to the fore and started a snowball effect only when there were a lot of political, influential parties, disgruntled with the power abuse by the Christian church towards the end of the fifteenth, early sixteenth century.


Together with the Reformation that was one of the reasons for Luther to finally be convinced that the Catholic Church, that the papacy is evil and something has to be done about it. It was also the forgery of the Donation of Constantine. So he says:


Well, as long as the power structure is firm in place and political motivations, political agendas of those in power and influence are aligned with the myth, it’s not going to change.


They have the mass media, the educational system, the judicial system, everything pretty much in every single country on the planet with very few exceptions, under tight control. And there is just nothing you can do much about it. To believe that there is a popular movement possible that can overthrow the control by mass media and political systems, in my eyes, is a delusion that assumes that people are, by and large willing to educate themselves to judge critically, to pay attention to what’s going on, what’s important. And that’s just not the case!


Let’s be honest and let’s be realistic about what’s going on in this world. The fact is that ninety-five percent of the people staring for hours on end at the TV, believe the virtual reality that they watch on the screen. That’s just the way it is! And unless something genetically, dramatically, evolutionary changes in humanity that we actually become the homosexual sapiens that we claim to be, which we are obviously not, I can’t see that change.

So, we have to deal with the human material that we have, which for the most part just runs with the crowd, and whatever, they have been told to do. Then it depends on some political powerful groups and maybe even countries, finally have had it and won’t take it anymore and they wise up to the thing and get themselves informed and then they get a critical mass and things can change.




I’m rather pessimistic when it comes to popular grassroots movements, I must say.


Nowadays, of course, an example that I know from own country, the Green Movement was kind of a grassroots movement and it did prevail and against a lot of mainstream resistance. But, on the other hand, it was aligned with internationalism, with globalism. It was aligned with a lot of their left-wing media, that were very favourable. So, you have at least some support in these areas, ideological sympathies with some of the mass media and some powerful groups, non-governmental organizations, to get a foothold and to make progress. If don’t have that, it’s not going to happen. Nothing of that is the case here! We’re complete pariahs! Except for Ahmadinejad [the sixth President of Iran from 2005 to 2013] — and that’s a kind of a friend you can do without. [laughing]


Henrik: Right, right!


Germar: So, truth be told, all we can do for now is hang in there and hope for the extremely unlikely that people have had enough and don’t run with the crowds anymore and don’t listen to Big Brother on the TV screen. Or, something phenomenal, something apocalyptic has to change on the global political scene.


Like for instance, what could happen if we have a major financial collapse? Because the whole financial system, being built on debt is bound to collapse at some point and then comes major political upheaval. People looking into the whole financial thing. It’s a big elephant in the room that everyone seems to be ignoring and trying to ignore. And come to terms with the lies that we have been fed with decades and centuries even, about what money is and what it isn’t and how we’re being manipulated and ripped off by the system, by the banking system, the monetary system, whatever you want to call it.


And then people start to rethink other things and interconnect concepts and ideas and then the cards can be mixed anew, you know, and who knows what comes out of it.


Henrik: You’re saying there needs to be, for someone to have an incentive, a reason to go into this area? There needs to be some kind of catalyst, a catastrophe almost that pushes them in a direction. Is that what you’re saying?


Germar: Right. Something has to shift some paradigm on a societal, global level, has to shift for people to see a need to be, … You know, basically, the system is so much married to the concept of the “Holocaust” and all the moral lessons that it tells and all the political agendas that use it to push for certain policies.

Henrik: Yep.


Germar: To have that change for them, to no longer to depend on this, to welcome it, but actually to see it as a major obstacle, [there] needs to have [be] a paradigm shift in what leaders want. It’s not enough on a national level., you know, Germany says, well the Germans are the first, because they have a, should have an interest in getting rid of that “Mark of Cain“. Yes, in theory it would be a relief for them, but then again, if they ever dared, they are surrounded by their enemies still, all over the world. They are a tiny country, and they are going to be just throttled so quickly, suffocated by boycotts and whatever. It’s not going anywhere. You have to have these things happen on the continental, if not global level, so that counter measures of all kinds of monetary system, the business system, boycotts. You know, you’re on your head one nation, a big nation, Iran standing up and saying:


Well we want that investigated. It looks like it’s not true. It’s been overblown and inflated!


And where did that go?


Henrik: Right.


Germar: It’s just painted as an “Axis of Evil”. And any nation that is doing that ends up in the same corner. So, it’s not enough for one to do it. Iran may have hoped that other Muslim nations will follow, but most of them are bought out of the US, or are in complete turmoil, because they couldn’t be bought, like Gaddafi [assassinated on 20 October 2011, by proxy forces of NATO and the US] .




So, how do you get, how do you align, let’s say twenty-three, kind of important countries, not any banana republics loved ones with a lot worse on them to want to use to be and apparently doesn’t go anywhere, either!


Henrik: Right, right.


Germar: So, what does it take? It really takes a dramatic paradigm shift in the world and any cataclysm can cause that. Of course, cataclysms are predictable. They can go extreme either way, doing even more harm to the farmer who for one Right now, that’s the only way I think things could change.


Henrik: And, I mean, I’ve noticed somewhat of an interest in this topic from, you know, truth seekers, the alternative movement that has arisen, that seeks to counter some of the mainstream media on these kinds of things. Not on a huge scale, of course, mass scale, but at least there has been a willingness for some of those people to look in this direction. Which I think has been good.


I would say that there’s more people interested in these questions today than they were ten years ago. And for the fact as well, of course, that we’re back to our original point, that as Europe is pretty much being invaded and flooded and we are basically in a position where we morally can’t, you know, make any claim. We can’t resist on any level at all. It usually ends back in this position, in that place, you know, because despite the fact that Europeans are now dying on, you know, European soil, but just, in fact, had at the time we are recording this, just had a shooting in Munich. We, of course, had the terrorist action in Nice and all these kinds of things.


Despite the fact that we are, Europeans are dying, we are still in a position where the establishment is afraid of, for example, nationalism to rise in Europe. They’re afraid of it. They call anybody a fascist. To immediately say, wait a minute this is no good, our culture is being eroded, our identity is completely out of the picture, you know, why use this? What is the root of this? Why can’t we have any of this? And it usually goes back to this very question, that you’ve been fighting for so many years.


Germar: Yeah. A professor in Germany who is completely beyond suspicion of having anything to do with a right-wing, said, the future for Germany, for instance, lies in becoming like Brazil. And that in part of all kinds of races, declining to a second, or third-rate country where the economy goes down the drain, because educational standards just vanished and there is no creative culture and identity anymore. This is going to be the future of Brazil, the future of Germany and whoever doesn’t like it, in Germany, the indigenous population, they have an option to leave and they will! They are highly educated, they’re highly welcome in many other countries.


And if you look at migration statistics, Germany has one and a half million people migrating INTO the country, but they have also five hundred thousand people migrating OUT of the country and they are mainly ethnic Germans of the younger age, highly educated. In other words, if you want to exist in Germany as a German in any way, you are being called a Nazi, you know.


Henrik: Yep.


Germar: Nobody wants that. So this is just the worst thing that can happen to you, being called a Nazi, a Right Wing extremist, or whatever. So you can’t put up a defense. You can’t get involved in any movement, or you are getting ostracized to the point where your life is miserable, your career is ended and what have you. So, if you don’t like what’s going on in the country, with the country going down the drain, what do you do? You leave! You go to New Zealand, to Australia, to the United States. There are red carpets rolled out for highly educated Germans and they are leaving in masses!


Henrik: Wow! Well that’s just so sad. That is the same in Sweden I believe. There’s money for entrepreneurs and inventors and things like this and, … I mean, that’s going to devastating! I mean, even think of Germany as the, as a powerhouse economically and the fact, even if you recognize the official picture of what’s happening here, the fact that Germany has, … We don’t we don’t have to talk about the “Holocaust Industry” as Norman Finkelstein called it in terms of how much money that this is generated. Germany pays out massive amounts, of course, every year., but even just the fact that Germany is able to help other countries in aid and bring in people, this economic engine is going to be disrupted and destroyed to the point where they won’t be able to help anyone else, maybe not even themselves, eventually.





Germar: That’s right. All the help that’s being done is generated with tax revenue produced by the productive German population and that’s the one that’s draining away. So it’s not only that more people with needs come, but there will be less and less, people that will actually produce any revenue that can be, … So, you know, it’ll just take, you know, another ten, or twenty years and the whole thing comes collapsing down like a house of cards. But then the German is of the younger generation will be in a minority. And democratically speaking if all the migrants get voter status, sooner of later, which they will, eventually. You wouldn’t even be able with the elections to turn that thing around. The tipping point comes very soon. And it’s a similar, it’s just Germany is just the biggest case and the most dramatic, because it’s the biggest country and this most affected by this propaganda, completely, morally and intellectually defenseless because they don’t attack that core issue. But it’s the same with any European country.


The most ironic, ironic is even the wrong word, … The dramatic situation is actually Poland. Poland is ethically speaking very close to Germany and have an intermingled history, not just historically, but ethnically too. And if you look at the Polish population, a lot of Germanic blood flowing through there, and Slav. Their population is collapsing just as much. They don’t have that much, as many immigrants, because they are pretty poor and immigrants don’t want to go there, but the fact still is that their population collapse is just as much, because the birth rate is down the drain!


And they are, of course, the ones who right after the Second World War were apart from the jews the main beneficiary of the Holocaust. They occupied some twenty percent of German territory and threw out all the German is and justified that with German crimes. So, that’s basically their way of justifying the post-war Polish territorial gains. And all this stuff done with German ethnic cleansing by Poles and Russians. But now they have supported for seventy years this propaganda and they are still doing it.


But it turns out to be self-destructive, because they have work by nurturing and feeding this monster, created a creature that will destroy their own identity and makes them helpless and defenseless to do something about their own identity. They are not quite as defenseless as the German is, but at the end of the day, it’s a similar situation.


You can look wherever you want, even Russia. The Russian European population is collapsing just as much. You look left and right, there are very few countries that can still hold their head above water. Ireland is kind of, but that is pretty much it. Italy’s collapsing. Spain is. Everywhere, the whole of Europe’s going down the drain and demographically speaking it’s a natural phenomenon. If you look at the surface and if you don’t have babies and other population groups on the planet have babies, that’s just a natural law you’re going to be replaced.


There is not the policy of the leaders in Europe that causes the migration. They could do this against it, but if you have a vacuum, a population vacuum in one part of the world and overpopulation in the other part of the world, that leads to the population moving, sooner, or later. We had that in the seventy’s, eighty’s, ninety’s.


Up to the early twentieth century, when Europe was producing millions of people they couldn’t feed and housing Europe anymore. Where did they go? They populated Australia, New Zealand, America. Everywhere Europeans were breeding like rabbits and were populating the whole planet!


Now the First World War came and the whole thing collapsed and Europe has never recovered from that and with all the ideology, and the wealth, afterwards, later on, and chemistry, to say contraception methods, we’ve come to the point where Europeans don’t have babies!


Even if you add politicians that would prevent it, with weapons, migrants for certain period of time to come to Europe. If you don’t change the fact that Europeans have no babies, at the end of the day, who is going to guard the borders?


Henrik: Right.


Germar: There are no young men anymore who can defend them, because the women don’t have babies! It’s by natural law, the Europeans replace themselves, by deciding, “I don’t want to have babies!




Henrik: Right.


Germar: And many people come up with pseudo-logical reasons why they don’t want to have babies. At the end it’s hedonism. It’s just the delusion that I can live a nice wealthy life without bothering with all the stuff that comes my way if have to take care of children. Which is such a burden financially and then whatever reasons you can come up with.


But, this life-style that Europeans have led over the past two generations, and mine primarily, my generation was the strongest generation, of course, with Germany 1964. Most babies in the post-war history ever born in Germany by ethnic German mothers. It’s my year, my generation! My generation has completely failed! Because they have not reproduced in every generation afterwards, either.


Henrik: So, what’s at the root of that? Is it the same kind of ethnic masochism, there is a hatred, self-hatred?


Germar: No! You have the same thing in South Korea, the same thing in Japan. Every highly developed society that produces wealth and a lot of education, that allows women to be highly educated and to go into the workforce as highly educated women, they have the alternative between “kitchen and career”.

[It should be noted that these countries have NOT resorted to importing anyone from the Third World despite outside pressure to do so — KATANA]

You give them that alternative and give them all the education incentives and they go to the career and that’s when they stop having babies. And with all the wealth if you make them xxx, and you’re educated enough they don’t have babies. I get two people who have big careers and make a lot of money. I marry, okay, I don’t have babies, but my husband and I, or the other way round, the husband and my wife, we both have careers and we both make money, we don’t have to raise children.


If you compare that with a husband that goes to work, but only halfheartedly, because he wants to spend time with his family and the mother stays at home has two, or three, four kids and doesn’t have a career. Then the couple who has no children has three, four times the income! All for themselves, than the family has for themselves, plus the kids.


So per capita, they end up four, five, six times the amount of money you can consume in your lifetime and you don’t have children. So what are you going to do? First, if you’re smart enough to figure that out. Second you have the means to prevent pregnancy and third the society doesn’t do anything against you for making that choice. And that’s everywhere the same!


All highly industrialized, highly educated population on this planet go that route! Humanity, as it gets highly educated and wealthy, extinguishes itself. Unless something dramatically is done. This has nothing to do with the “Holocaust”, because there is no such propaganda going on in South Korea or in Japan.


Henrik: Right. Okay, yeah that’s a fair point. I definitely get that.


There are some that would argue, obviously though, that Europe as it exists now, is already very, very overpopulated, that the density is very high. It’s just farmland and then it’s cities. And this aspect that there is a rise and fall of populations.


I always return to that point when this argument comes up that, you know, we can’t just have endless growth, either. I think that there is a natural cycle to it now, of course, it’s artificial through modernity, if you will, to a certain extent. But nonetheless, these are still, I guess, forces of nature, to a certain extent, since we are part of nature. Right?


Germar: Yeah, sure. That’s one thing that a lot of people forget. At the end of it we are not humans here and nature there. A lot of people come to think, you know, I sit in the car, I sit in my house, that’s not part of nature. Nature is out there. And I can live my life this way and that way and everything is going to be fine. No!

Sure! Oh Europe has been overpopulated, but at the rate the population is collapsing — and we have to look at it accurately. Germans have statistics out there that distinguish the birth rates between ethnic German mothers and mothers with migration background. Now they show that, I’ve seen the figures from the last couple years ago when the German Federal Office of Statistics, saying that German ethnic women between the age of sixteen and thirty-six have an average of 0.33 babies.


Henrik: Ufffph! [shocked]


Germar: Now, we need 2.1 something to reproduce and they have 0.33 on average between sixteen and thirty-six. Now you have to double that, because the sixteen year olds, of course don’t have babies. But by the time they reach thirty-six, they will have, so if you kind of double it, 0.33 you come up to what they all will have had by the time they are thirty-six. So, you come up with some 0.66 and then you have some years left until they can’t have babies anymore.




So, just basically speaking there is 0.7 to 0.8 babies when they need 2.1. In other words, every generation the population goes down by 60%. The following generation has only 40% of the previous one. And if you go down that fast, in three to four generation your population pretty much is gone! And we are already in the second generation, doing that now!


Now I’m not opposed to reducing population where there’s over population, but you have to do that at a small pace, so that society can deal with it.


And I would tell you what that means concretely. I’ve been discussing that migrant situation with my mother, who is in her middle-seventies and my father has turned eighty. My father had a stroke and he is now in a nursing home. Now, who do you think takes care of my parents? Migrants! The doctors, the nurses, wherever my parents go in the nursing home, or a hospice right now, for the majority of people that have these jobs are migrant, because in that generations there are so few Germans.


My parents, the older generation have an open attitude toward the migration, because they see, nobody’s going to take care of us. We had hardly any children. Our children have no children of our own. Actually, it’s the grandchildren’s generation that should take care of my parents, because they are at the age, in the twenty’s, when they are nurses and so forth. Right? Twenty’s and thirty’s. I’m already in my fifty’s. But there are hardly any Germans left of that age and for the most part they are migrants now. Particular for those kind of jobs that are not very easy to do when it comes to nurses.


You can’t run a society when 60% of the population you need to sustain what you have built, the society, just suddenly disappears! There’s only 40% of the people you need to keep running the engine, the economic engine you have built. And with the next generation you have 40% of 40%, so you’re down to, what is that 18%, and you need one hundred [percent] ! How do you run a society with 18% of the labor force? COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE!


Henrik: Right.


Germar: That’s not a reduction that is welcome, because we have too many people in Europe. That is the collapse of a society! And you can prevent that from completely collapsing ONLY by having massive influx of migrants! That’s the only way Germany and any other European politician can prevent their societies from COLLAPSING!


I’m justifying it here! And I’m saying something more! Every person out there who is listening and thinks the migrant situation is bad and the migrants should go back and we want to be left alone, should ask themselves this question, depending on age:


Do you plan on having children, or did I have children or do I have children?


Anyone out there who doesn’t plan on having children or who have no children, is a parasite on society and does not deserve any better than what’s happening now! And that applies to 80% of the population. They have only one child, or no child at all.


They think they can have it all! Rake in all the money for themselves, have a nice life. Don’t get any children into the society. This society can run only, and any society can run and function only if there is a generation coming afterwards that keeps it up! If we don’t see to it that there is a generation, it will collapse! And we go down, our society goes down with us!


And whose fault is that? It’s the fault of the egotists, of the hedonists who wanted it all for themselves. Who don’t want the burden of raising children. These are PARASITES, clearly speaking!


Henrik: Does Germany keep statistics on demographics, race basically?


Germar: Well, they distinguish, maybe they will stop doing in the future, but, up to now they have done it between ethnic Germans and German is with migrant background and actual foreigners. So migration background, but who are German citizens, their birth rate is going down too. It’s below reproduction too. It’s only the migrants that have come here to the country more recently that have a viable reproduction rate.


Any population that you expose to this kind of egotistic, hedonistic, materialistic society takes a generation or two, children who are growing up in this kind of society, they think about gadgets and they think about a nice car, a nice home. And you can have all the stuff only and enjoy it, if you don’t have children. You can keep the money for yourself and have a career without bothering.


Any society that raises people like that, has their migration population stop having children a couple of generation later.




Henrik: One point here to add into it as well, is how potentially simple it could be to actually fix the situation. There are two different examples in Europe alone. One, the positive one is Denmark that has to a certain extent reduced some level of the migration. Actually to save money, obviously, …


Germar: Right.


Henrik: Because it’s also a drain on the system to have a lot of people coming into the country that can’t join the workforce, etc. But then they have done campaigns such as, “Do it for Denmark” and “Do it for Mom” in these funny commercials together with, actually travel agencies and things like this. But it’s sponsored by the government and this is actually resulted in a boom of babies! Which is interesting. And it shows how simple it would be, if the governments were sincere about truly wanting to have more of the native population having birth. I’m not saying that this would work in every single country, but what I’m saying is, that we’re not even seeing it remotely, ambitions of trying to economically make it easier for people to have children.


For example in Belgium, that’s another case where one of the Flemish politicians that’s working there, details how very difficult it was for the Flemish people to have to have children, because of the economic situation with the government and how it’s dis-incentivized, right? So there’s measures that could be adopted to change this fairly easy.


Germar: I wouldn’t, … You know, if I look at the world as a whole picture, I see that the impoverished populations have a lot babies and the rich countries with the rich people have few babies. To say that it is economically challenging nowadays to have babies is bullshit! Excuse my English.


But in our countries, most people, they have to prioritize. What is important? Do I want to have a gadget, do I want to have a TV in every room, do I want to have two cars? We have completely different priorities here then people have, let’s say in central Uganda, where they have six babies per woman. Not that they have much of a chance, because the way they live their life, they just happen to get pregnant and they don’t think about what are the alternatives. No, I’m not saying we should get back to that. That’s not what I’m saying.


But economics is not the issue. If I look at the amount of money that the German government throws at people, so that they have babies, so that they, you know, you have children money. You get two hundred fifty, three hundred euros a month per child. And you get three years of off work after having a baby, either mother, or father for education purposes. And your position will be kept and you can go back into the labor force after those three years. And all these incentives that are already being given and they have made no dent, whatsoever, in the indigenous population. Which is much more wealthy than the migrant population on average. And the migrant population is the population that has the babies and take advantage of those incentives!


So, in terms of the more incentives, the more incentives you throw in the population, equally the indigenous as well as migrant population, will lead to the migrant population out-breeding the indigenous even faster, because they have taken advantage of it and they are breeding.


The indigenous population, no matter, if you throw a million at them, maybe then they will consider it, but then they have the wrong incentive to have children, to be honest.


But, no, money isn’t the reason. It’s the general attitude of the population and there is in my eyes, you know, if you want to implement real radical solutions, say OK, you have to make people aware and you have to have the right kind of message going through all channels of your society, in media, politics, schools, education, whatever.




He who is not having any children is a parasite! For that and that reason, you are just taking all the money for yourself. You’re not investing in society, in the next generation! Therefore, you are breaking the basic generational contract that this country needs to have with everyone for it to operate!


Henrik: Right.


Germar: If you are such a kind of parasite, there comes consequences. For instance, you can make voting rights — every parent gets as many voting rights as they have children. They create the next generation! They should have more voting power than those that are completely egotistical and don’t do anything that this society needs to continues.


Or say: “why should you have pensions?” You know, I retire at old age and I expect the next generation to finance my pension, but I haven’t done anything for next generation to come into being!


Henrik: Right.


Germar: So the rule should be, if you did not get kids into this world, for other reason than you are incapable and couldn’t even adopt any. If you didn’t get any children, then I’m sorry, you’re not getting any pension!


Because you have violated, broken the generational contract. There’s no generation coming after you that you have produced, therefore you’re not entitled to get anything! End of story! You have to work until you drop dead. That would be fair and that would be so radical that people get the message!


Henrik: Right.



Germar: And you need a kind of radical xxx right now. All the incentives they’ve thrown at people already, monetary with educational holidays and whatever, has shown no dent, no change in attitude. There needs to be a completely different way of doing it to get the message across. You can’t just violate a generational contract and live like a parasite in a society and expect to be rewarded by it by living the life of a millionaire!


I have two children I have to pay alimony for, and I have three more children with my second wife. And I keep track of what I pay for my children and I can tell you, at the end of my life I would probably have paid something between seven and eight hundred thousand dollars for my kids to raise.


Henrik: Yup.


Germar: Something about a hundred and two hundred thousand dollars that a kid costs you. Had I not had any children, with all the money that I made on top of it, I would be a millionaire. So everyone who decides not to have children, can have instead the life of a millionaire! That’s the option we have. Live the life of a millionaire with no kids, or have kids!


Henrik: Only that one, or two generations that can economically keep up with it on that level, because, …


Germar: Yes! It’s collapsing! But that people don’t think that way.


Henrik: No.


Germar: That’s what I see, it’s just the mindset. It’s very narrow-minded, they’re just thinking about themselves, their own generation until they reach old age and they figure there is nobody there to take care of them, which is situation my parents are in. Even though you can’t blame them, they had three children.


Henrik: Let me ask you, … How did they raise you Germar? Did they, … I’m just trying to get a sense of how things operate within the different generations. Because I know a lot of people in my generation, if you will, that didn’t have parents that really underlined, or stressed the importance of children. They didn’t really instill that in their children! It’s that somewhere along the line, this was almost like, dropped! I’m not saying that you shouldn’t need to, it’s kind of weird, educate people to have children, but to a certain extent it’s a cultural value that needs to be part of our discourse, right? And I feel it’s not there.


Germar: There would have been a need to introduce it at the latest in, what was that 1968, when the anti-baby pill was introduced and everybody ever since has had fornication with impunity.


Henrik: Right.


Germar: To say it bluntly. Up to that point, the normal situation was, you can have sex only if you are married, because if you have sex, the probability is, you know, you’re going to get that girl pregnant and then you have a problem at hand. So you get married first, have sex next and children will be the inevitable outcome of it. That has been this way ever since the inception of genders, a billion years ago!


We have changed that in 1968 when we introduced the anti-baby pill and said, “Now everybody can have sex as they like!” and they don’t have to think about babies anymore. And nobody thought about what’s going to happen next.


World population is still rising, but our long-term goal is that every person on the planet will be able to have their smart phone and their car and we’re all going to be wealthy and live in suburban dreamland and stop having babies and that’s the end of human civilization!


We need a new paradigm that gives people the understanding that we have, that we live in a chain of generations that keeps society up and civilization up! And our commitment is:


To all parents — be grateful to them and who gave us, equipped us with the tools we need to do our part.


And our second obligation is to see to it that there is going to be an upcoming generation that can take over the “staff”, from us.


Henrik: And then you have a layer on top of this, which makes it even worse, this nightmare, already nightmarish situation. Which is, we live a lifestyle health wise that is so poor that many people are actually getting infertile. We bathe in a chemical soup. The food and the nutrition is just nonexistent in some cases. People are getting sick and one of the first things that go from this is fertility itself. That’s why you see a whole industry popping up around, you know, fertility centers and these kinds of things. But this scenario is that catastrophe to an extent that you spoke about earlier. The question is, as you say, if there’s going to be manpower enough to do something about the catastrophe when it really hits, or sets in.




Germar: Right. It doesn’t have to. You get Germany and all the rest of Europe down to the level of Brazil. Brazil isn’t, you know, isn’t teetering at the brink of extermination, or a complete collapse. It’s just a different lifestyle. You have to accept that things are a little chaotic and not as good in general, but life keeps going on. There’s no need for a revolution. The question is, …


Henrik: It’s very violent in Brazil. Very violent, high racial tensions.


Germar: Yeah. Life adjusts. The people who have problems with a new lifestyle that may be chaotic, violent and not as nice are the ones that come from a generation having the experience in a different world. Ourselves, who have grown up in still ethnically dominated by European people, the indigenous people and with the culture, more or less intact. And now we all run head on into an age when things are radically different and plus this dissonance, this extreme contrast, hurts! For the new generation that goes into it, it’s not going to be a problem, because they don’t know any other, they don’t know any other way.


Henrik: I wonder if, at least the European stock will settle for lower standards, if you will? What I’m saying is, what happened is that we’ve created a society, we did something which was radically different. Western civilization is different. There’s a uniqueness to it. It doesn’t mean that there had been other civilizations, or whatever, but in the way that it’s been developed, it’s different. I’m thinking if it’s partially also the success of Western civilization that has led us to this point, ironically. That it’s the modernity, the comfort that we’ve managed to create, as you say, the materialism is what has led to this level of decadence. So it’s a circle, it’s going to come around on itself eventually, right?


Germar: Sure. There are two ways around a society collapses to the point where this materialism is simply not there anymore. We drop back to a lower standard where people just have babies by accident. It seems [?] to be that already today. The less educated populations in the highly developed society, they have more babies, because they are less organized, let’s say it that way.


Henrik: Right.


Germar: And that’s one way. The other way is there are always subgroups within a population that don’t follow the general trend.


And I look here in the US, right here where I live in Pennsylvania. And there’s the Amish who refused the modern trend, not just on the technological level, but also on that level they keep their women in the kitchen and in the churches and in the bedroom, so to say, to a high degree. But also the men, they follow a very traditional [role]. So it’s for the whole family, very traditional role, family role as it was common in the seventeenth and eighteenth century. And their birth rate doesn’t come down! They, in the long run, will be one of the dominant groups of Europeans if they also don’t mix with others outside of their own community. They stay very loyal to their own community.


So you have those religious people who refuse to go down materialistic and technological ways. So you have them among Christians, you have them among jews, among Muslims. Of course, the majority of Muslims who refuse to go that way, and that’s why we have them dominate Europe very soon.


So, you have a real radicalization on a religious level, because they are just taken over folks by pure statistics, by having the babies. Not just Islam, judaism is being radicalized in Israel over the decades. It has become more and more radical, because the Orthodox and the fundamentalist jews reproduce, whereas the secularized jews, they have the same tendency as all the other Europeans, because with they are Europeans. They make themselves go extinct, because they don’t have babies. So, what you end up with is just religious fanatics that dominate the world.


Henrik: Yeah! Exactly! That’s true. The conservative mindset, I think there’s a small window of opportunity where people who are both realizing this and also want to do something about this. I think out of the crisis that Western Europe in particular is going through now, we’re going to have a much more hardened core of very traditional minded people, whether they are religious, or not. But they are going to have both an ethnic awareness, which is largely lacking today in the majority, and also an interest in maintaining life as it exists in many of these European countries.


I think it’s a very dark picture, obviously, but I still think out of that, there’s going to be a core group of people which are going to be much more radical traditionalists to a certain extent. Right?


Germar: Right.


Henrik: Coming out of it.


Germar: Yeah.




Germar: So we see that right now with religious people. And you can have other motivations to be fundamentalists other than religious. Could be political, could be any kind. And that’s Darwinism on a societal level. Those who reproduce will succeed, for whatever reason.


Henrik: Yeah. So what else do you have in terms of solutions for that situation? What do you think would need to happen for this to change? Is it simply that the collapse is just inevitable? People are not going to choose away their modern comfortable lifestyle, I guess. What do you think?


Germar: Well, I don’t think so. Right now, you know, what can I do? If I think too much about it, I get sleepless nights, because I’m invested in my own ethnic group, my culture, my civilization, if you want. And it hurts to see it go down the drain, as it does. So I can’t spend too much too thought on it. Or getting obsessed over it. It’s just dragging me down.


I just take a seat in the back-seat and observe, because life is interesting. It’s completely in vain to stand changes on that global level that come with such natural force. One population who grows by the millions, out-breeding the other! What can I do? Just sit back and enjoy the ride! [Henrik laughs] xxx give my few cents of advice, whatever it’s worth. But I have no conclusion [?] that I’m basically an observer rather than anyone who could take any active part in changing things.


Henrik: Right. OK. Granted that, that’s true, and also, of course, on the opposite side of that you do have individuals that do change history, in the course of world history. And in many cases it doesn’t take a majority to shift something in a new direction as we’ve seen. So this can be very interesting to see what is going to happen in the future of Europe. And we obviously we have to fight for it. We have to do what we can! We have to try to awaken people, we have to make them realize and understand this is our responsibility, I would say, as awakened individuals.


Most people they never think of the stuff! It never dawned on them! No one has ever brought it to their attention. I’m not clearing them of any responsibility, despite that, but it makes it, … It makes the burden is obviously on us, on those who know about these things, right?


Germar: Right. At the end of the day, those who don’t give up the fight, and give it a good fight are the only ones worthy of victory. And if you give up, well, don’t complain if you get trampled under.


Henrik: Yeah. That’s true. That is true!


Germar: I was interviewed at some point by some White supremacist group who wanted to find out whether I was “one of them”, quote, unquote. And I said, “Do I think that the White race is superior?” And I said:


Well, superiority, it’s difficult to define. But there’s a universal way of doing it when it comes to biological subgroups like, whether you call a subgroup a race or not. Whatever you want to call it. Superiority, at the end of the day is defined by, whether you prevail in competition with other groups, …


Henrik: Sure. Yeah.



and that is mainly spelled out by the ability to raise and successfully raise the next generation. And to keep your ground, Keep your territory defended and defend your culture. And then that is what superiority is about. If you are superior in doing that, then others are in the long run, whatever means you apply for it, than you are superior.


But if I look at what’s going on right now, it is very clear that the White race as it has been developing over the past, say, whatever. Well, ever since the First World War or after the Second World War at the latest, has been inferior in the end result of things! I’m not talking about intellectual abilities, their culture achievements and what have you. All these things are nice, but at the end of the day, what counts is birth rates.


I’m sorry, that’s the brutal truth of planet earth as a biological biome.


Henrik: This is a big question, and we’re coming up at the end of our time together, so I don’t want to be too long winded. But, in consideration to what we’ve been speaking about here, primarily in the second hour.




The big question is, okay these things are happening and to a certain extent we have ourselves to blame for this, because of the fact that we haven’t taken responsibility and for whatever reason. Modernity has produced a very different mentality, ecetera. But I also see that there’s also an active elite, an establishment, a group, globalists, bankers, whatever. Call them what you will. That also is, seems to me, actively engaging in making sure that this continues. That the path that we are on now is underlined. That this proceeds forward as planned. That we are, to a certain extent, they see us as a kind of enemy in all of this!


Nationalists, or people who want to preserve their own culture and their heritage, that somehow they see this globalist elite, they see that they want to have a “blended world” in the future. They want to have a homongenized human being and a mono-culture of sorts. And therefore, educationally they have prevented us, if you will, from getting in touch with our true culture and heritage. Would you agree with that?


Germar: Yeah, sure.


If you have just one kind of man on the whole planet, seven billion people with the same needs, the same wants, the same products you can sell to, then you have the absolute maximization of profits. So, that’s what’s driving it. It’s all about the money for them. And if you can just sell one brand to all people on the planet, because they are all the same, then that’s perfect for them. And that’s the driving engine behind that.


If you have a word to divided into four thousand different entities, who all have somehow different needs, you have to custom tailor to four thousand different cultures, that makes it pretty much impossible to even trade on an international level for most products. So that destroys your attempts of monopolizing and maximizing profits.


That’s what’s behind it! And, of course, everybody should oppose that, because having a uniform human being all over the planet, … Everybody being the same, would be terribly boring and it would be, … Any mono-culture. Mono-cultures are bad news for any system. They tend to collapse, they’re not sustainable.


Henrik: Yeah.


Germar: And therefore it’s bad news. We need to have multi-culture in terms of different cultures. Not one everything mixed together, because it’s not multi. It tends to be homogenized after a while.


Henrik: Mono. It’s true. It’s definitely true. Well this has been a very interesting conversation. A dark conversation, a gloomy report on the future that we are faced with here. And I think you’re right too, in many ways. We might argue a bit about some of the mechanics behind the scenes, or whatever, but still, I think that the main prognosis that you have given is unfortunately, more or less, correct.


Germar: One final word.


Henrik: Yeah! Go ahead.


Germar: Holocaust” for me is the cork in the bottle!


If you want to have any solution for this, if you want to radically discuss all kinds of things on an ethnic level, on birth rates, then as long as you have the “Holocaust” in the way as a super weapon for all our enemies or adversaries, that they can use against us, we will not make any progress in any of these discussions, if you want to implement any radical changes.


And therefore, I think that’s a very important topic, because it clogs any discussion and any attempt to have a real proper solution!


Henrik: Very good! Well, I’d love to have you back in the future and continue our discussion. I think there’s much more we could talk about. We can discuss some of the mechanics, of course, of some of the science that you found. We really didn’t get time for that today. But there’s definitely an opportunity to do that again in future.


But, why don’t you give us your websites again here, so people know where to go if they want to find your books and your material and everything that you available.


And yeah, it’s been it’s been great having you here!


Germar: Well, when it comes to the “Holocaust” and everything around it, again it’s “Holocaust Handbooks dot com”. The two words together, nothing in between Holocaust Handbooks dot com []. My personal website is just my name together, Germar Rudolf. Germar Rudolf, like the red-nosed reindeer, only with an “f”, not a “ph”. Germar Rudolf dot com []. And that’s a personal website. It also has stuff about my work, my scientific research, my publications, about my persecution, my personal background and things like that.



Henrik: Well, very good. Well thank you so much Germar and again I just want to say thank you for your work and for your continued heroism, if you will, that’s what this is. Of daring to speak out about this important historical event and taking the hits that you have, it’s just incredible, the perseverance and the fact that you still to this day continue to do it.


So, I just want to say:


Thank you for being brave and thank you for doing it for all the people who actually really care about history.


Germar: Well, I don’t know how to respond to that.


Henrik: [laughing] Right!


Well, that’s the last show for this July, 2016!


Thank you so much for being here and thank you for your membership and your continued support of the work that we do!


More coming with Richard Spencer next week.


For now, we say thank you for listening, ladies and gentlemen, wherever you are.


We will be back again before, you know, it. Until then, take good care and we’ll talk to you soon.












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