Joel Davis: We are live. It is the 17th of July, 2025. We had some bizarre technical nonsense going on for some reason, but we got the stream happening. We’re here we have Tom back. First time since Australia Day. We’ve got three of us back together. He’s finally off the ridiculous bail conditions. The South Australian police finally dropped the ridiculous charge of loitering from Australia Day, which I’m sure a lot of you are familiar with the events of that day. But it’s good to have you back, Tom.

How do you feel? I mean, I feel personally vindicated. I felt vindicated already considering all the other charges that were dropped. But this really cements the vindication that not just that we didn’t do anything wrong, we knew we didn’t do anything wrong, but that we made the right decision on the day to expose the tyranny. People were saying:

“Oh, how does going to jail, going to save the White race?”

Well, guess what, we’re not going to jail. Not for this anyway. [chuckling] Jury’s still out whether we go to jail for some other reason, but not for this.

So how are you feeling?

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, I think vindicated is the right word. It is a victory in the sense that we have shown the Australian people that through strength and persistence and resilience, we can get our message across. We can suffer without being humiliated.

And I think that’s important that Australians need to hear that. Currently we’re being humiliated as a people. The White Australian population is being obviously replaced and it is being humiliated while it’s being replaced. And if we stand up against this tyranny, they will make us suffer.

And I think through our strength, we’ve made it clear that suffering is more valuable than just living a peaceful life that’s ultimately humiliating.

So that’s how I feel strength. I feel strong. I feel that our strength and our resilience has proven us right.

Joel Davis: That’s a good point because you are naturally adapting to the kind of harassment tactics used to try to prevent you guys from doing what you’re trying to do, whether it’s activism or building the political party. And you do seem to have done or made a great deal of progress in the realm of adaptation. Because I’ll make the point, this basically panned out exactly as you said it would. You said you’re going to cop a beating on the day. You predicted there would be bullshit charges that wouldn’t stick and that have to drop eventually. And now that’s exactly what happened.

So not only are you adapting in terms of strategy, but you now know what to expect. As though the system has basically used all its cards and they can only keep doing the same thing they’ve always done. And you keep getting better at dealing with it.

Thomas Sewell: Yeah. And so much has changed for our organisation in terms of support from the public over the last six months. And I mean, what’s been really incredible is, and I don’t want this taken the wrong way, but we have had a lot of people that are former members of the Liberal Party reach out to us and say that one of the reasons why they have left the party and have started to donate to our cause and started to support our cause is because they can see, based off the election and the Liberal Party moving further to the Left and based off how we were treated by the system in Adelaide, which is, I think it’s a pretty strong liberal kind of state. I mean, Adelaide’s pretty churchy and has a lot of Christians in it and it’s got quite a conservative movement.

But this is how, you know, probably one of the more conservative states in the country, other than, I guess, Queensland. This is how they treat political dissidents on the Right. And that for them was the straw that broke the camel’s back. And their reason for supporting us going forward.

So it’s interesting that even in persecution, you can gain support and a following and assistance from people that have spent their whole life in mainstream politics. So I didn’t expect that. I didn’t predict that. I did predict that the Australian public in general would be more supportive of us, but I didn’t expect so many people would be jumping ship from the previous conservative faction of the Liberal Party.

The last thing I heard from our insiders within the Liberal Party is that about 50% of the members have left in the last two years.

And I’m not saying all of those have jumped across to us, but a significant portion of particular branches and seats have come across to show their support for us. So that’s good to see.

Blair Cottrell: That’s a big number.

Joel Davis: It’s a good moment actually. I will say join the movement! Join the prospective political party White Australia.org. I do a bad job of remembering to shill this every week, so I’m just going to say it now while I’m thinking of it. If you’re in Australia, I put out a poll on Twitter a few days. Sorry, on Telegram a few days ago. The poll was, if you’re a White nationalist, how many times have you met up with other White Nationalists, at least one other White nationalist in real life this year to discuss politics or do anything political?

Very low bar. 57% of respondents said zero times. That’s crazy! So, like more than half of the Joel Davis spurg Telegram following can’t even meet up once with one White nationalist in real life since the beginning of this year. So I understand a lot of my followers are in other countries and whatever. But that’s a horrible statistic!

So if that’s you and you live in Australia, you have no excuse, like our country is being stolen from us. White Australia.org, sign up as a supporter. Maybe you don’t want to come and march in the street dressed in black and you know, get arrested, but you can at the very least join up as a supporter and help us found a political party to represent you and your beliefs, which obviously, if you’re watching this, unless you’re one of the assigned police officers or intelligence agents or journalists watching this, you share our beliefs.

So who else is going to represent them? No one except us! So sign up White Australia.org. Be part of the solution!

[06:43]

Blair Cottrell: Tom, what happened in your latest court appearance and what does that mean for you going forward?

Thomas Sewell: So today we had, I think, the third or fourth case conference, which is where the prosecution says they’re not ready to go to trial and they want to have a little bit more time to prepare. And they dragged us out for as many as they could, as many case conferences as they could, until eventually they had to drop the charges. Today the last charge I had was the loitering charge, which was the alleged reason for my arrest outside the Anzac Memorial in Adelaide on, I think it’s called North Terrace. I think the street, very beautiful part of Adelaide. We picked that area on purpose because of how beautiful it was.

And obviously I was arrested as I began giving a speech about how the South Australian police are corrupt and are serving traitor politicians.

So the whole purpose, the whole meaning or reason for the arrest was dropped and that was done very quickly. And then, …

Blair Cottrell: Was that the primary purpose for the arrest? Loitering? Is that what they tried to sell?

Joel Davis: Yeah.

Thomas Sewell: And then when I was arrested and taken back to the police station for allegedly loitering, they said that I’m being charged with loitering, resisting arrest and Nazi symbols.

And then when I got my paperwork, it just had loitering and Nazi symbols.

And then about six weeks ago, the Nazi symbols charge got dropped, which was the Union Jack and NSN patch on our shoulders.

And then obviously today they dropped loitering. But they put on a new charge today, which they hadn’t sent any information about to the magistrate or to my lawyer. And they have charged me with breaching the bail conditions for the loitering charge.

So I was under non-Association for loitering. And they’re saying, they’re suggesting, they’re alleging that I breached at some point over the last six months, I associated, they’re alleging, with people in our community.

So they’ve dropped the bail conditions because they were attached to the loitering. But there is another court date again for breach of bail.

Blair Cottrell: So they’re accusing you of breaching bail on a charge that they’ve dropped?

Thomas Sewell: Correct. And I asked the judge that question. I said:

“How can someone be charged with breaching bail conditions that were put on me that have now been dropped? Like if I didn’t commit the crime, why was the bail conditions even put on me? And therefore, how could I be charged breaching bail conditions that are put on me falsely?”

Blair Cottrell: It would make sense that the conditions imposed during the bail period are now void because it’s been found that there was no evidence to uphold the original charge in the first place.

Thomas Sewell: That would make sense, wouldn’t it? That’s common sense. But that’s not, unfortunately, how the magistrate saw it.

And instead of answering my question, he instead told me that I was being represented and wasn’t allowed to talk. And I told him to:

“Answer my question, buddy!”

Blair Cottrell: He wouldn’t have liked that!

Thomas Sewell: Because these people don’t deserve any respect. They are absolutely disgusting, corrupt thugs, that think that they can lock Australians up for, in the case of Stephen Wells, 4 months, over 100 days in solitary confinement for charges that were dropped. And they think that they deserve some sort of respect or honour for their disgusting, corrupt behaviour! It’s absolutely putrid! The Australian people should be, it’s absolutely abhorrent what the political class, what the ruling class are putting Australians through.

And when I called him, “buddy”, he threatened to have me removed from the call. And I just said:

“Okay, well then remove me. Like, you’re nothing, but you’re all corrupt, basically. And I want the record to show that you’re all corrupt.”

And then they just booted me from my own court case.

So they could have just put me on mute, but instead they just booted me for my own court case.

So that’s pretty funny. But they’re just disgusting! I hate them! I absolutely hate them! They’re absolutely disgusting! The prosecutors are professional liars! They put so many good men in prison over nothing. Over nothing! And all the charges have been dropped, except I think Joel’s belt, his [eagle] belt buckle, and one other guy still hasn’t had his loitering charge dropped yet.

Blair Cottrell: Well, before you ask your question, Joel, if they are so corrupt, I’m assuming you mean the magistrate is corrupt as well?

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, all of them. The original magistrate.

Blair Cottrell: Like, why participate in the process? Like, have you got a plan? What’s the end goal? If they’re so corrupt, like, why answer their summons?

Thomas Sewell: Well, if you don’t, you eventually get shot!

So I’m not looking to get shot at this stage by the police. Ultimately, you have to play the game. You have to abide by the law at all times, only break it to seize power. I think that was Julius Caesar that said that. He also said, Julius Caesar said:

“We must endure pain with patience!”

And I feel that every day we have to endure this pain with patience. And we’ve been doing that for some time now. And we’re going to keep enduring pain until we take power. And when we take power, then we’ll reassess the laws.

[12:11]

Blair Cottrell: I can imagine you’re probably holding out for maybe some High Court judges that maybe aren’t corrupt, right?

Thomas Sewell: Well, that’s a separate issue. So what we are looking to do is bundle all this stuff together with our High Court case, which I think you and Joel have covered a fair bit on the stream. I won’t go into too much detail, but, yes, we are still following through with two plans. One, appealing all the current criminal charges against us regarding Nazi symbols and gestures and any sort of attempt to stop our political communication.

And also we are looking to privately sue the police for their behaviour, their unlawful and unconstitutional behaviour.

Blair Cottrell: I think old Stephen Wells might have a role to play in that, because I can’t believe that guy spent, how long was it? Nearly four months. Three months. Four months in jail over a loitering charge that was then dropped just because he was trying to celebrate Australia Day publicly. I’ve never heard of anything close to that in Australian activism.

Joel Davis: According to High Court precedent, Stephen Wells has standing to go to the High Court and challenge the Constitutionality of what was done to him, of the acts that he was charged under. Because even though the charges were dropped, he did serve time. And particularly because they didn’t just charge him with loitering. Originally they did, but then when they realised that they’d have to release him after three months because it has a maximum sentence of three months. They then slapped a Nazi symbol charge on him in order to enable them to extend his stay in prison basically beyond the three month mark.

So he has standing to challenge that law at the High Court now because there’s been plenty of precedent established in High Court decisions that you don’t have to be being actively prosecuted under a particular law. You only need to have standing to go to the High Court. You just simply need to have suffered as a result of that law, that potentially unconstitutional law, and have reason to suspect that it could be applied to you again in the future. Now the Nazi symbol charge related to literally the symbol of our organisation or the NSN at the very least.

And so if you’re a member of the NSN, basically what they’re trying to say is that you could get arrested and thrown in prison for displaying our logo in public.

So it’s a political organisation. It seems like a pretty clear cut and dry constitutional issue.

So that’s what’s interesting that they’ve kind of facilitated Stephen potentially to go to the High Court. Also. Stephen Wells is up for a very handsome compensation payout. And so I think Stephen Wells will get paid very well for his four months. And Stephen Wells, the upstanding character that he is, he was saying to me today that:

“I want to sue these cunts, get as much money out of them as possible and then put that money away. So the next time someone gets arrested, they’ve got money to support them like the people who supported me.”

So he’s already like looking to be altruistic and pay it forward rather than just, I don’t know, sit on the cash, which he’s entitled to. So top bloke Stephen Wells! But it’s, I think he’s quite happy to do four months in prison and have a kind of epic story that inspires people and then go and collect money from ZOG and put it in the White Australia kitty, and so on. And now we’ve got standing to go to the High Court as I said.

So realistically we’ve taken a lot of wins here for not much suffering. I mean he had to suffer in prison. But the rest of us, we didn’t really need to suffer like we had minor inconveniences basically that we had to suffer. But the positive outcome from all of this has been to I think win a lot of sympathy in the public and gain a bit of legal leverage that we can now use.

Because when we set up this political party, obviously we’re contesting elections and it’s probably not going to be realistic that we’re going to go in and win government at the first election that we contest. Right? So we need something to do other than just march around and declare what we believe and try and get someone to vote for us.

And so these legal cases, not just these ones, but probably, I anticipate once we form the political party, there could be other High Court cases where they’re trying to take guns away from people who associate with us. We’re probably going to have to go to the High Court to try and protect their gun rights. There’s going to be stuff to do with the de-banking. Tom was saying he was intending on taking to the High Court. Then also, if we register our political party and then we have accounts on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook and so on, and they try to de-platform us, were currently de-platformed from these websites, well, then we’ve also got standing to go to the High Court and say these companies are basically impairing representative democracy, which is unconstitutional. They’re impairing our right to political communication. As a registered political party in Australia, how can Australians have a representative democracy if their own political parties can’t even communicate to the voters what their policies are? So we’d have a very strong case there.

I think that would have a lot of sympathy in the community because there’s so much push in the state at every level to increase censorship on the Internet. And this could be one of the only ways really to strike back without taking power and reversing all these laws and getting rid of the eSafety Commission and all this garbage, would be to try and get to the High Court and get a decision that would establish precedent that would limit state overreach and the overreach of these big tech companies.

So these legal battles are going to be very important for us going forward and if we can have some successes or at least, you know, stand up sympathetically for our rights as Australians, could be a great way to also raise a lot of support for the party and the movement in general to see that we’re trying to engage in productive battles to defend the rights and freedoms of Australians, even outside of political power.

[18:28]

Blair Cottrell: If I’m understanding correctly, Tom, you’re now a free man, limited by no legal conditions of association. You can now train with the boys, you can associate with who you want. I’m imagining this because you’re on the stream with us for the first time in a while. The reason you haven’t been able to jump onto the stream with Joel or I, or with Joel specifically, is because he’s a member of your organisation. Am I right in believing this? You’re a free man now? Well to some extent.

Thomas Sewell: Relatively, yeah. I’m not currently having my political communication suppressed by the Magistrates Court, but I do still have three pending court cases regarding other matters that are, like including the so-called offensive behaviour in Ballarat. Doing a political demonstration in Ballarat. Jacob Hersant’s also been charged with offensive behaviour for a rally he did in Melbourne CBD So those two rallies, both rally leaders or rally spokespersons, like the speakers of both those rallies have been charged. Myself and Jacob. Joel, have you been charged yet with offensive behaviour?

Joel Davis: No, they’re still investigating me for the jews Hate Freedom rally. But they’ve got 12 months, so they can basically, … They’re also investigating me for offensive behaviour also for when we had the boys, my rabbi friends, and we went down and endorsed the Liberal Party at the last election. And yeah, so we’ll see if they end up charging me on those, but we don’t know yet.

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, so another tactic they’re using, Blair, is they’re confusing political speech with like public misconduct.

So they’re trying to use laws that stop you from mooning a police officer or something silly like that. Or I think it’s like really bad swearing or something like that. They’re trying to use these laws to prevent political communication. The same way in Adelaide they tried to use loitering as a law to stop us from politically communicating.

But yeah, so I’m on bail for those and I have trials upcoming this year for those cases. But yeah, I’m allowed to associate at this stage. Yes.

Blair Cottrell: I watch updates on Australian like motorcycle clubs sometimes just like Crime Updates, news on YouTube. It’s just a side interest of mine and I can’t help but notice that I think they’re trying to treat you guys the same way they treat some of these so-called outlaw motorcycle clubs. Because in Australia, if you don’t know, we have bikie gangs. In Queensland specifically, I’m pretty sure there’s strong legislation making it very difficult for those gangs to operate. I’m pretty sure you can’t even have a gang or MC club logo or insignia. Like you can’t even display it publicly. Or even have it in your house. If they know you’ve got it, they’ll raid you and take your jumper because it has a club logo on it.

And I’m just noticing similarities between the way the police treat you guys down here. It’s like they want you to be an outlaw gang and they expect to be able to get away with treating a political organisation which in the near future will be a registered political party, like they’re an outlaw gang. And I don’t think that’s going to fly. There’s no precedent in Australian legal history where that’s being tolerated by serious levels of court.

Of course, magistrates levels of court seem to tolerate whatever they’re told to tolerate. But I think once you get to county and beyond, you’ll probably see some judges and some outcomes that are more favourable to what is fair and actually legally applicable for you guys.

So, yeah, I’m glad you’re out! Well out of the conditions that were binding you and I’m glad you’re able to join us again.

Thomas Sewell: Yeah.

Blair Cottrell: What’s going to be the main thing on our agenda? What are we going to go on with lads?

Joel Davis: Well, I think the big thing to discuss this week in international politics is the way that Trump is trying to really unsuccessfully sweep the whole Jeffrey Epstein thing under the rug. I mean, obviously the cover-up has been successful. They’ve managed to, well first the FBI and the Attorney General of the United States came out last week and said:

“Oh, the Epstein files, they don’t actually don’t exist. We’ve concluded our investigation and they don’t exist!”

Just tried to gaslight everyone. And obviously the reaction from just everyone in the world basically was:

“What do you mean they don’t exist?”

Blair Cottrell: Like, explain to me, Joel, explain to me. And for the audience, to make it simple, what are the Epstein files? What do they consist of? Is it a list of clients that were in a prostitution ring? Because that’s my understanding. Is that right?

[23:23]

Joel Davis: I’m sure the files contain a lot more than just that.

But obviously the files would contain names of who’s going there and there’s been all these allegations that potentially these people are named and those people like Bill Clinton or Prince Andrew and blah, blah, blah, and photos of different elites and that were involved with Jeffrey Epstein and so on, and people going to the island, the flight logs, the so-called Lolita Express that was taking all these people out to this private island in the Caribbean. But obviously we don’t know what’s in the files because the files have not been released. Right.

But there was a promise before the last election that if Trump was to win, the files would be released, which no one intelligent believed. But even like Donald Trump Jr. was saying:

“Release the files!”

You know, blah, blah, blah.

Blair Cottrell: And now they’re saying there are no files. Is that right

Joel Davis: No, they’re not actually saying that now. Now they said that. And then a few days later, Trump changed the narrative to, not there are no files, to:

“Well, the Democrats they’ve concocted fake documents!”

And the whole Jeffrey Epstein thing apparently is a Democrat op, just like the Steele dossier and blah, blah, blah. And:

“It’s a hoax and it’s a political witch hunt and all this stuff trying to undermine me!”

He’s trying to spin it like this. But it’s ridiculous!

Number one, because Jeffrey Epstein committed, quote, unquote, “suicide”. You know, no one really believes that he killed himself.

Blair Cottrell: Oh yeah, I heard the footage that they had of him in jail. Someone ran it through a metadata analysis and found that it had been edited several times. They could even tell the programme it was edited with. So the stuff that they released or had regarding Jeffrey Epstein’s suicide has all been doctored and edited. That’s not the real footage of his so-called suicide.

Joel Davis: Well, also, when that occurred he was under the Attorney General of the United States was Bill Barr. Bill Barr’s father, by the way, employed Jeffrey Epstein a long time ago and they have long, deep family connections to one another. Bill Barr was made Attorney General of the United States by Trump. He was in the Trump administration and he was the one running the Department of Justice who had Jeffrey Epstein incarcerated.

So it was under his watch that Jeffrey Epstein was killed and it was under his watch that it wasn’t investigated and that it was covered up.

So the Trump administration covered this up to begin with. Also, Donald Trump himself was friends with Jeffrey Epstein from the 1980s onwards. They allegedly, their friendship allegedly broke down in the 2000s because they had a dispute like Trump bought some condo in Palm beach in Florida that Jeffrey Epstein wanted to buy and they had some dispute. But they were very close friends. There’s lots of video footage showing this and Jeffrey Epstein even described Donald Trump as his “best friend” at one point in the 1990s.

So that’s obviously very important to bring up.

And also there’s plenty of people in the Trump administration or around Trump, like Trump’s Lawyer Alan Dershowitz, who is a jew and who was one of the main lawyers working on the whole election fraud, so-called lawsuits and so on after the 2020 election. He was also Jeffrey Epstein’s Lawyer and apparently went to the island and so on. There’s just so many connections between Trump and Epstein and Trump’s original administration and associates and Jeffrey Epstein. The list just goes on. We could do a whole stream just detailing all this stuff. So move forward.

Obviously there’s a lot of Democrats that are implicated in this too, like the Clintons and so on. So the Democrats aren’t going to release the files. The Democrats aren’t going to hold people to account for what’s happened here either.

But Trump is saying because the Democrats were sitting on the files over the last four years, magically they’ve changed them all and he doesn’t want to release them because apparently he’s basically admitting guilt that he’s in the files.

Elon Musk came out a few weeks ago and said they’re not being released because Trump’s in the files. Put the pressure on Trump after they fell out. And the pressure is telling, because now while Trump is every day coming out saying:

“No one cares about Jeffrey Epstein, everyone needs to stop talking about it.”

And so on. We’re seeing more and more elements of his base, of his movement turning on him. Tucker Carlson is giving speeches.

Blair Cottrell: Yeah, I turn on my YouTube. I don’t even watch stuff in relation to Jeffrey Epstein. I know almost nothing about it. I know what most people would know that is that there is some sort of list or documents implicating people in very unethical activities, probably for the purposes of Israeli blackmail and influence over American politicians. That’s what I know. And I turn on my YouTube and all throughout my recommended videos is people that usually do streams on video games or conspiracies who don’t even usually talk about this stuff, like doing videos on this stuff. So it’s just across the board. Have you seen much of it?

Joel Davis: I saw an opinion poll by the way of Americans:

“And do you agree with how Trump is handling the Jeffrey Epstein case?”

And it was like 12% said yes. So he’s lost everyone. Like no one’s going along with this shit! But go ahead Tom.

Thomas Sewell: I don’t have anything to add on the Epstein thing. It’s obviously been covered. It’s my only observation, …

[28:55]

Blair Cottrell: Do you agree that it kind of feels really drawn out. It’s almost like I’m sick of hearing it. It’s like it’s been going on for so long and nothing’s ever come of it. Maybe they’re trying to create that feeling, just kind of make people feel fatigued.

Thomas Sewell: Maybe. I think that it’s a weapon that both sides have used against each other.

So when the Democrats were in power with Biden, they had the Biden laptop scandal and they had obviously a lot of people in the Democrat Party were connected to Epstein and other people that were on the Lolita Express. A lot of a list celebrities are Democrats and they were all on the list.

And then now that Trump’s in power being, you know, turned back on Trump obviously photos way back in the day, like before the 2020 election came out that showed Trump as friends with Epstein and Trump making comments about how Epstein’s got a particular taste in younger women. And Trump was saying that he kind of agreed with it. It was a bit incriminating. You know, if you were Italian, there’d be plausible deniability that you’re talking about 18 year olds or something. Anyway, I digress.

I think that it’s interesting to see a mega civil war or MAGA civil war, however you want to pronounce it. I think it’s good to see that there are these kind of Qtard, you know, conspiracy theorist, you know, MAGAs or Make America Great Again camp that all of a sudden are telling people to move on from a legitimate conspiracies, a legitimate Mossad blackmail entrapment scheme. Because they always want you to focus on conspiracy theories, but just not the ones that are real. They want you to focus on nonsense and talk about Antarctic, well, not necessarily nonsense, but they want to talk you about side quest things like Antarctica and 5G and stuff like that.

But then this is just black and white! This is an Israeli Mossad blackmail scheme. It’s undeniable, it’s a fact. And these people want us to brush it under the table.

And it just shows that, yeah, the MAGA camp is dead. It ties in good timing as well with obviously the tension between, you know, Musk, who’s a power broker in the US and Donald Trump. And so seeing the MAGA camp fall apart is a good thing. It’s a good thing. And it’s a good thing for the same reason why we’ve worked so hard to destroy the Liberal Party here in Australia, successfully destroy the Liberal Party here in Australia.

Americans need a form of Right-wing, pro-White politics that is superior to Make America Great Again. They need a much harder and more staunch, more ideologically consistent. It’s not just a kind of cult of personality around Donald Trump. So I’m watching, I’m watching along.

Joel Davis: What was very interesting this week was Tucker Carlson gave a speech at the Turning Point USA event where he basically said Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossad agent. And this is being swept under the rug. How come Israel can blackmail our politicians with sexual blackmail, with a paedophile ring, and there’s a conspiracy on both sides of politics to cover it up:

“How is this acceptable?”

And the crowd was going ballistic at this conservative event. At Charlie Kirk’s Hail Israel Hail ZOG conservative event. The crowd’s still going ballistic.

So there’s been a sea change where conservative political discourse in the United States has become dominated by dissident Right talking points ideas. And the younger generation of Right-wingers in the United States and I think everywhere are turning against the jews, against Israel. They’re more radical on racial issues. And Tucker Carlson coming out and doing that, basically he just pissed in Trump’s face. And then Trump came out this few days ago and said:

“Well, anyone who wants to talk about Epstein, I don’t want their support. They’re fake supporters and we’re done with them.”

So what is he saying? He doesn’t want Tucker Carlson support, doesn’t want the support of Matt Walsh. I saw Matt Walsh come out and criticise Trump on the same grounds. Like so many of these really big, like massive following influential conservative commentators that come out on the side of the people against Trump.

And so what this is the foundation of a new American Right, in my opinion, that moves beyond Trump, that embraces more radical talking points. And it seems like Elon Musk is willing to fund these guys too.

So it’s shaping up to be quite interesting to see how this develops over the next couple years because a lot of people thought after the last election, Peter Thiel got his J.D. Vance, you know, curry burner, vice president installed. And Trump will just basically bamboozle all the Boomers and all the masses with his charisma and his policies and everyone will de-radicalise and then JD Vance will end up just being the heir to the throne and then he’ll become president and they’ll just hold this paradigm of politics down on lock for the next decade and we’re just going to have to eat the slop.

Well, actually, I don’t think so. actually, this has completely blown things up and now it seems like a more radical challenger could emerge to take the throne off The Prince.

So it’s quite interesting to observe.

Blair Cottrell: What do you guys think about, because you mentioned Tucker Carlson. What do you guys think about Tucker Carlson? What’s his game? Because his message has become more explicit in the last year or so. and where does he stand? Do you trust him?

[35:03]

Thomas Sewell: No! [chuckling] I don’t trust him.

But it’s an improvement of controlled opposition, certainly. If the controlled opposition has to continue moving further and further to our direction, well, eventually they’ll have to run a controlled opposition which is just a copy of us.

And I think people will choose the real us over the controlled opposition copy of us, when it gets to that point.

So, yeah, it’s a good to see, it’s very good to see the, …

Blair Cottrell: Battle there is to continue existing. Yeah, because they won’t want you to exist. Right. But if he’s controlled opposition, Tucker Carlson, who’s controlling him, do you think? What are your theories?

Thomas Sewell: Well, I think he’s in the CIA. Yeah, I think he’s in the CIA.

So I think he’s part of a different faction within the Deep State. And I think Trump was an independent person that was being influenced by different factions within the CIA.

And I think that perhaps they’re jumping ship from Trump. I don’t think that Tucker Carlson is entirely aligned with Musk, for example. I think he’s kind of like a fourth party when you think about it. I don’t know too much about Democrat politics, but I think the Right-wing is moving in an odd direction where there’s the Trump camp, there’s the Musk camp, and there’s the, what you could call like the Tucker camp. And I think those are the three most powerful forces in the American Right.

Blair Cottrell: I expect you have your reasons for believing that. There’s probably plenty of information that suggests that. I haven’t personally looked into it. What do you think, Joel?

Joel Davis: His father was a CIA agent. That’s confirmed. And then Tucker himself said that he wanted to join the CIA in the 1990s when he finished college, but he didn’t make the grade, apparently. He didn’t get the contract. So then he decided to become a journalist. But that seems, I don’t know [chuckling] if I believe that story.

Thomas Sewell: Bullshit!

Joel Davis: Yeah.

Thomas Sewell: Bullshit, because the CIA are desperate for recruits, and especially recruits with a high IQ, which he has. And it’s a fact that the CIA hires thousands and thousands of journalists a year. Hires people to become journalists.

Joel Davis: Yeah. There’s something called Operation Mockingbird. Google it. Yeah. If you don’t know what it is.

Thomas Sewell: I mean, it’s slightly different, but it’s on the same talking point. You know, the Director General of ASIO only two or three years ago came out in a Senate inquiry and said that:

“They employ journalists, that they could be a journalist, they could be a teacher, they could be whatever, and they’re actually secretly an ASIO agent. We’re everywhere, basically.”

And in the case of journalism, it’s very important to have intelligence services control journalism. That’s probably the key industry for intelligence services to control.

Joel Davis: Also, if you want to understand Tucker Carlson’s motivations, I think the motivations could be understood if he is like a CIA operative or at least connected to the Deep State, is geopolitical.

So what does Tucker Carlson basically do with his influence? He plays down the whole Russia thing, criticises Zelensky, criticises funding the war in Ukraine. Now he’s criticising Israel and the involvement with Israel.

But he’s also always been a China hawk who has been very consistent that China is the real threat. America needs to focus on fighting China. And there’s other elements in the Trump administration and across the American Right who have that view. Elbridge Colby, who’s the Undersecretary of Defense, he’s been saying that for years, and now he’s the Under Secretary of Defense. He just came out the other day demanding that Australia and Japan commit to fighting alongside the United States if Taiwan is invaded, to give you an idea of what he’s all about. And he’s also the main guy in the Trump administration trying to block assistance to Ukraine and so on, because he thinks it’s taking away from a deterrent and potential action against China in vis a vis Taiwan.

So Tucker Carlson comes along and he can kind of wrangle the Crown by pushing this kind of anti-Ukraine, anti-Israel, which are both very popular with conservatives Angles in order to kind of push for a war with China or China, Hawking, at the very least, in addition to having a very kind of patriotic, you know, style and so on. You can see why the CIA would look upon him as someone or look upon that style of politics as something that they would support because they would see it maybe as in the geopolitical interests of the United States. And that’s what the CIA is fundamentally like. It’s fundamental reason for existing is basically keeping America the global hegemon.

Blair Cottrell: For our American viewers, I know we’ve had Thomas Rousseau on the show, leader of Patriot Front. Is he the primary guy, organisation, political faction or personality you guys would endorse in America? Is there someone else? Is he the main man? I mean, who’s the real deal?

Thomas Sewell: Yeah, Thomas is, and Patriot Front is the most organised and they are the largest White nationalist group in the United States. They hold their cards a little bit closer to their chest than us in terms of their ideology. They keep things a little bit more “heritage American”, as they say. And that’s their strategy. It’s kind of like a halfway point between what we’re doing and the United Patriots Front, obviously, without UPF being a purely anti-Islam movement, it being a Patriot Front. So it, yeah, it’s definitely a specific tactic that he’s using and he’s done quite well with it. And they continue to grow.

There are a lot of other organisations. The Rob Rundo active club model was quite large and it’s all across the country. So their groupings are a lot smaller. You know, you’re talking usually five to ten guys at a time, but there are hundreds of groups of five to 10 guys.

And then you have Hammer, doing Blood Tribe. So we get accused of being wignats, but we’re pretty light on the wignatory compared to particular people in America.

And you’ve got all sorts of groups. You’ve got Wagner’s group, you’ve got Volkers Resistance Movement, you’ve got, … There’s a lot of groups in the United States. It’s very different to Australia in that sense. We’ve kind of co-ordinated all of the White nationalist energy all into one body, which has its pros and cons.

But in the United States, I think Patriot Front probably control 30 or 40% of the market, if you want to put it that way. But they certainly have over 90% of the visibility. What they’ve done very well is they’ve got the majority of the visibility.

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Blitz007
6 days ago
these people are great and we need more of em
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WHITESUNITEWORLDWIDE
6 days ago
TEAM WHITE UNITE
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Strueth
6 days ago
Thanks guys, ☺️ I love listening to your chats… I don’t feel so alone in our country knowing you have our backs and are willing to stand up for our white Australia… I long for how it was in the 70’s… we had it all, and slowly it’s been taken right out from under us, betrayed by those wimps in parliament… Thank you 😊
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palacepony
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4 days ago
The fuckery really kicked off with Whitlam. Constitutional vandalism which needs to be addressed. That was when the gloves came off with Vietnamese immigration and demoralising ‘liberal’ law pushes. We were ruled by TV and under the oogabooga blues spell.
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StevenGurr
6 days ago
Absolute total bullshit 😡 Sick of these cunt pigs and courts. Loitering isn’t even an arrestable offence and then to continue adding simple offences is a joke. And further to add non association conditions on the bail is totalitarian shit. Keep up the fight and go after every individual pig, judge and state lawyer involved. 🇦🇺
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Dissident_Loner
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6 days ago
Hey! The Three Amigos!
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Restlessdreams88
6 days ago
88 .
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mharrison52
6 days ago
rome, pheonixian, ancient arayans in India. Mexica, Brazil, All of central and south america. America and Candada now. every great white civilization has ended the same way mongrolzation then conplete collapse. It’s a trend about whites that we cant afford to mistake again. in aglobal society there are no where to go. global genocide.
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Sieger88
6 days ago
Unfortunately Aston Martin is now owned by the kíke Strulović
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paceytarzan
6 days ago
Sieg
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Winstein_Synagoguehill
6 days ago
Luxury and comfort made the yankees soft. There’s not much of a White working class in the USA. Most working class are Amerindian and African. Go into a boxing gym in the USA and there’s not a single White person. Completely reversed from Britain and Ireland. American families the mother is usually the boss and dad has been cucked to a little muted nub.
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KeithyFM
5 days ago
Turks and Greeks… chalk n cheese. Turks should be back in Turkmenistan.
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Motion937
5 days ago
The mustache without the beard looks goofy with the shaved head.
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Motown88
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4 days ago
Yes there are young women that have resisted the feminist conditioning, 5 of them are my daughters… and I’m so proud.
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deputydawg000
4 days ago
CritalEyeMMA on youtube and AntiwokeMMA on rumble is also worth a look. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz_LOvsbMiM https://rumble.com/v6w0l5s-livestream-one-year-anniversary.-its-the-jews.-race-realism-live-stream.html?e9s=src_v1_wh&playlist_id=watch-history
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Orangejoos
4 days ago
Very pragmatic , and informed discussion . Always appreciate the three of you. I’m only informed by Nick otherwise , the rest is almost entirely bullshit or toxic. Thanks — for all you hero’s do.
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wyrdweasel
3 days ago
I think that you have had to do something blackmailable in order to be able to do business at the highest level and to join the club. When everyone in that circle has something on everyone else, there would be a certain kind of mutual insurance when it comes to the threat of exposure.
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empowerprivate
2 days ago
Rabbis, when they are sucking blood out, it’s Adrenochrome.
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Restlessdreams88
19 hours ago
Gotta get Jacob on more
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katana17
6 days ago
[Joel Davis – MechaHitler – a Manifestation of Musk’s Machiavellianism, or Something More? – Jul 11, 2025 – Transcript] https://katana17.com/2025/07/17/joel-davis-mechahitler-a-manifestation-of-musks-machiavellianism-or-something-more-jul-11-2025-transcript/
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mharrison52
6 days ago
aTom has Aura like an Anglo Addy
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hueyvam123
6 days ago
The best. Great to see the gang back together again.
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EarthlingCarl
5 days ago
No hate but is Joel rocking a comb over?
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whitehonkymonkey
5 days ago
hello lads,good to see the crew back together. though it feels like a win with the courts,its all about getting rid of us on the day. they don’t give a f… about the arrests not sticking ,as long as they pull you off the street on the day. your tactics also need to create distractions when out protesting. create confusion. keep it up lads.
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BasedNapoleon
5 days ago
Just watched ‘Latham at Large’ where Mark Latham featured as a guest journalist on 60 minutes covering the 2010 election between Tony Abbott and Julia Gillard. He deconstructed the campaign process and pressed Abbott about migration.
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UncircumcisedCircus
5 days ago
I do think there is a waspy faction of the CIA that doesnt want to always take orders from the Mossad.
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DaveScribe
5 days ago
Blair, all it takes is an accusation. Ironic since you were accused of stalking by a woman who was stalking you. It’s not uncommon for the perpetrator to call the police first in order to allay suspicion off from themself. I was in a holding cell with a middle aged white engineer who had a knife pulled on him by his neighbor. The neighbor called the cops first & got the engineer arrested.
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Motown88
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4 days ago
Great stream guys, thanks
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ProvingNihil
4 days ago
Would love to meet white nationalists in my area but can’t find any in my state.
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ProvingNihil
4 days ago
Also when dating a woman, hell or just interacting with anyone in general. I personally record it on my GoPro, yeah it’s a tad bit weird some people don’t understand, but you never know what will happen, especially with women.
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Makulatoren
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4 days ago
I disagree with Thomas about Tucker Carlson. The CIA would never betray the mossad in that way of having matyr made on. Because then they would lose their Epstein tickets. Tucker is just acting like the average boomer. He wants to back to the american ideal but knows deep down that it was fake. Yet he still yerns for it.
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