Tim Lutze: Is this mic all right Katie? Not covering my face?

Katie: No, no, your face is fine.

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: Do I look fat?

Katie: [words unclear]

Graham Connolly: Oh, for God’s sake!

Graham Connolly: Yeah, but then it doesn’t want to go over that way. It keeps coming back. [chuckling]

Tim Lutze: This is exactly how I thought it would be.

Graham Connolly: Just keeps going back.

Tim Lutze: These are clamps [mic stands].

Graham Connolly: See, now when I turn here, it’s not. As the sound is not as, …

Katie: Yeah, exactly! More towards you, but, like, not right in front of you.

Graham Connolly: I need to be able.

Katie: You have way more room to go back more.

Graham Connolly: As soon as I do it. And you said, … Okay. There. It’s fine.

All right, all right. These producers, man! She’s just a producer, rapper. Like Kanye!

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: I should get royalties for making this happen.

Graham Connolly: Offered money and then didn’t give me anything.

Graham Connolly: Yeah. [chuckling]

Tim Lutze: Got it wrong. Got milk.

Graham Connolly: Oh, you got milk.

Tim Lutze: Arrow Kit Kats.

Graham Connolly: All right, fine. Yeah, the Arrow Kit was good. The Arrow Kit Kat was good.

All right, well, I’m here on episode one of the Offally Offensive with a very special guest.

Tim Lutze: Thank you. Welcome. Thanks for having me.

Graham Connolly: It’s Tim Lutze! How are you, Tim?

Tim Lutze: Yeah, good, good! You?

Graham Connolly: Yeah, good. So tell me. Tell me every single thing about you. Every single thing since the time you were infant. No, no!

Let’s start with your teenage years. What got you into. You’re a boxing coach, yeah?

Tim Lutze: Yeah. I started boxing when I was 14. I’ve always been interested in boxing. I wanted to start much younger, but I was getting in a lot of trouble at school, …

Graham Connolly: Fights?

Tim Lutze: Yeah, fighting. And we had a family friend that was a professional boxer. And at about eight years old, he was trying to convince my mum to take me to boxing.

Graham Connolly: You know that energy.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, to get that energy and discipline, but she wouldn’t have it. And I was kicked out of a few schools and suspended from a few different schools.

Graham Connolly: What were you kicked out of school for?

Tim Lutze: Oh, fighting. And I was always a bit disruptive in class and fighting. I just had a lot of energy. Watched too much Dragon Ball Z maybe, but, …

Graham Connolly: How old are you now?

Tim Lutze: I’m 34.

Graham Connolly: 34?

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Middle aged.

Graham Connolly: So what age were you when you got kicked out of your first school?

Tim Lutze: Oh, that was grade four. Grade four. Me and a friend who I’m still in contact with graham Connolly: In St. Albans?

Tim Lutze: Yeah. We left together. Went to the same different school together and ran amok there. Got like, suspended in, like our second week. And this just continued into high school. By the time I reached high school, my mum had basically given up and just conceded to our family friend to let me do boxing. And I went down to Footscray Youth Club when I was 14 years old and I walked in and started training, and I wasn’t a big fan of the skipping and all the running and boxer [word unclear].

Graham Connolly: You wanted to spar.

Tim Lutze: I just wanted to punch people!

And so I was watching the sparring and there was two really light guys in there, maybe 60 kilos. And I was pretty big at 14. I was trying to play rugby as well. And they were like jabbing and running away from each other not to the usual way that I was used to fighting. So I walked up to the coach and asked him if I could get in and he laughed at me and called me an idiot! And I just kept asking him every day for about two weeks and finally said:

“All right, if you think you’re ready to spar, we’ll put you in.”

And I put on set of gloves and mouthguard. I jumped in the ring with a guy that was probably 15 kilos lighter than me. And just started swinging, just throwing from the hip. Missed everything! He was, went for about 30 seconds. He jabbed him about three times. My nose just started pouring blood.

And as soon as I could walk him towards the ropes, I grabbed onto him and we ended up on the floor and everyone jumped in, and I was kicked out of the gym for a week. But the experience really did humble me.

Graham Connolly: Good gentlemanly conduct!

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Basically he pulled me out of the ring. He was very old. He was kind of like Mickey from Rocky, you know, ended up being like a real father figure for me.

So I was from single parent family, you know, low income. And he guided me through my teen years and taught me a lot of discipline.

But the first discipline was that day, where he pulled me out of the ring and said I’m not welcome at the gym for a week and that if I continued to behave like that, he would have me black banned from every gym in Victoria, which he was the Olympic coach at the time and the State coach.

Graham Connolly: So he could.

Tim Lutze: He could definitely do that.

[05:30]

Graham Connolly: What changed then? Did you change? Did anything change in you?

Tim Lutze: I wouldn’t say that day changed. I was humbled from a little guy just jabbing me and I had no answer for it. But I still was a little bit cocky.

Graham Connolly: And you were like:

“In the street, I’d kill him!”

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that was the attitude. But like, the guy, he was from Sunshine and he was older, but like that’s kind of like a very low class sort of area as well. And he was from around the way, so to speak. And I’ve ended up becoming really good friends with him.

But I came back a week later and he pulled me into the kitchen, the coach, that is, and he said that he’ll tell me when I’m ready to spar and not to ask him or the same thing I’d be kicked out. And to train and when he thinks I’m ready, he’ll let me know. So I trained every day for like six months. I ran in the mornings. I watched all five Rockies, you know, watched all the boxing. You know, like back then was like Mayweather, Dela Hoya.

Graham Connolly: And that would have been impressive to a coach that time, man!

Tim Lutze: Oh, not really, no! I think boxing just attracts those types of people. But I don’t know why, I just fell in love with boxing and the whole culture of it.

And so I, after six months, I jump in the ring with the same guy and he was only training once or twice a week and I trained every day and I’d done all that and run and diet and did everything I could. So we started sparring and within a minute and a half my nose was bleeding and by the end of the round of, my shirt was just covered in blood. I didn’t land a punch. He wasn’t even going hard. He was just picking me off, just jabbing. And I kept my temper and I didn’t, … And I got out of the ring and I was just fighting tears, just had all that water under my eyes! And I was just, the coach said:

“You can’t, that’s it, you’re done!”

Because there was blood everywhere and I was a bit argumentative. And he said:

“Don’t argue, you did good, you kept your cool. I’m happy.”

And he just asked me:

“Why you’re so upset?”

And I said:

“I just trained every day for six months and like, I didn’t even land a punch.”

And he just said, like:

“That’s not what it’s about.”

Graham Connolly: Yeah, nice.

Tim Lutze: You know, he goes:

“He’s not better than you or more skilled. He’s more experienced.”

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: So I was ready to quit that day.

Graham Connolly: You understand all that now?

Tim Lutze: Now I do, yeah. And I was ready to quit that day!

Graham Connolly: But you’re not a quitter.

Tim Lutze: No, no, I’m not a quitter. And fighting, I’ve always been attracted to violence and to fighting, for better or worse. But obviously, what’s, …

Graham Connolly: The most natural thing in the world!

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: From the dawn of time.

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Obviously we don’t have a culture where it’s like, okay to fight and we don’t really promote wars and we don’t really promote warriors. You know, the closest thing to promoting violence now is like, and what was back then would be like the Sopranos and the Sons of Anarchy and Breaking Bad, where you’re always rooting for the bad guy and the toughest guy gets respect!

So obviously all the warrior inclined youth are going to go towards those sort of things.

Graham Connolly: Yep.

Tim Lutze: You know, and that’s exactly what happened in my case when I was young. Without boxing, a lot more people, or any combat sport, and we’re talking like 2004. So UFC wasn’t really a thing in Australia back then, but boxing was.

And I just think boxing has saved so many kids from just becoming violent criminals.

Graham Connolly: Yep.

Tim Lutze: I know it gets a bad rap sometimes, but, like, that’s the way I see it.

But yeah, I did it. I trained every day and I sparred every day. And because my coach was the Victorian coach, we have the State team there every month for a while. And I got to spar with some of the guys, some of the Olympians, you know, one of my friends back then went to Beijing and Olympics and you spar, did some rounds with him.

Graham Connolly: And can you remember when you had your first moment where you actually enjoyed sparring, where you landed a punch, where you landed it, where you had some success?

Tim Lutze: Yeah, Before I get to there, I’ll just finish what I was saying, was that I sparred every day and I was sparring very experienced fighters the whole time. And everyone in the gym had fights back then, and I was the youngest. I was 14. I was the kid in the gym. And 12 months goes by and I hadn’t won a single round sparring. So my coach comes to me and he says:

“I’m gonna put you in for a fight.”

And I was like, scared! And I’ve never been scared to fight, you know, And I was, …

Graham Connolly: Like, this wasn’t a fight in the street where you just milled.

[10:24]

Tim Lutze: No! You don’t have to try to fight in the street. You don’t train for it. Like it just happens. And it’s adrenaline and it’s fun and you know, like, if you’ve got a good crew, you sometimes you don’t have to worry about going one on one and you can win a fight, [chuckling] you know, in dishonourable ways.

But this is something that I did every day for 12 months. This is something that I eat, breathed, slept I practiced discipline for. And the thought of doing all that training and losing just was, filled me with anxiety. And the fact that I was sparring all these fighters that had 20 fights and 30 fights and then now I’m fighting like somebody. And I just didn’t feel like I’d ever really had a good spot, like won a spar. And my coach sort of snapped at me because he’s an old, grumpy dude. And he said:

“You’ve been sparring boys that have been fighting!”

He’s like:

“I know you’re ready! You trust me. I’m a coach. I’ve been coaching for 60 years!”

Or I think it’s about 50 at that time. But I was with [word unclear] for a very long time, I think around, …

Graham Connolly: So from his perspective, you were going to go up against somebody of a similar skill level? Been training for years.

Tim Lutze: Yeah. That’s what he explained to me.

And so I said:

“Okay.”

And I was very nervous and I had my first fight and I won it!

Graham Connolly: How did fight go?

Tim Lutze: It was messy. I was hitting the pads, warming up, and everyone was saying how crisp and good I looked and the punches were straight and I was moving my head. And then the fight started, … And I had the video, like the VHS, but it got thrown out when we got rid of all the VHS’s. So, it’s a shame. But like, even if I had it, I wouldn’t show anyone because I was 15 years old and I was just throwing punches like I was doing freestyle in the swimming pool!

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: It was just adrenaline. And back then, 2005, or I think it was, every punch was a score.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: So I won the fight by two points. So basically two punches. And they did, you know, later on when they were doing the scoring, they moved it to where like they would not be so candid giving out the scores. The scores used to be high, but then later on they changed the scoring so that you had to be really clear when you land a punch and you’d have low scoring fights. But like you’d see fights that were like 20 something to 30 something, back then.

So like two punches in 2005 is like not much at all! And yeah, that’s basically like my first 12 months of boxing. It was just a roller coaster and it just humbled me and gave me a sense of morality and purpose and discipline. And I recommend everyone put their kids into boxing.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: But the first time, I don’t really have a point where I really started to win a spar.

Graham Connolly: Well, that’s a point though. You win a fight!

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it’s a different, …

Graham Connolly: Yeah, so that’s a point where you realise, I love this!

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: How old were you?

Tim Lutze: I was 15 and I had half a dozen fights before I was 18.

And then I had a kid!

Graham Connolly: That’s where I was coming to next.

Tim Lutze: So, yeah, I got my missus pregnant when I was in high school.

Graham Connolly: How old were you when she fell pregnant?

Tim Lutze: Oh, 17. Yeah. And then that sort of put my boxing career on hold.

Graham Connolly: How did you feel when she told you?

Tim Lutze: It was terrible! It was terrible. Like family said that we’d ruin our lives and all this. It was very taboo back then. And from where I grew up, …

Graham Connolly: How’d you meet? [chuckling] How’d you meet Beck?

Tim Lutze: She’ll tell people that we met through friends. But I had a pretty big friend circle growing up and I used to have these garage parties in my garage.

So, yeah, I like to tell people we met in the garage. But she’s a classy lady, so she’ll just tell people that we met through friends.

Graham Connolly: In the garage!

Tim Lutze: In my garage.

Graham Connolly: Yeah. At a garage party! And what did you look like then?

Tim Lutze: Oh, well, I did have like a dragon tail, like a rat tail. One of my favourite fighters was Costa Zoo. So, yeah, I just kind of grew my tail out like his and that.

But yeah, I was fighting and I won a State title as a youth. And then I kind of like around 17, 16, started like drinking and partying with mates. I never did, I never did drugs or anything like that. Never even, never even smoked weed and that thing. But like all my friends would do everything and but like I was always protected by them because they’ll be like:

“Nah, he’s a boxer, he doesn’t do that shit!”

Graham Connolly: Yeah, yeah.

Tim Lutze: You know, so like I had really good, loyal friends that like that. And just like some of the stuff I seen growing up, I was kind of scared of that sort of thing,

Graham Connolly: But you met Beck.

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: And then the stork brought you a baby in a bundle!

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And like I said, I was partying a lot in that time and I’d gotten in trouble with the law. And my missus was pregnant and it was just like a normal west Melbourne story of, …

Graham Connolly: Do you want to talk about the trouble you got in with law, or do you want to just skim over that?

[15:57]

Tim Lutze: No, no.

Graham Connolly: It doesn’t matter, does it?

Tim Lutze: No, it doesn’t matter. It’s just degenerate stuff. And yeah like I grew up and, …

Graham Connolly: Just typical rough neighbourhood stuff, really.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, you just grow up and like I said, if you’re warrior inclined and all you really have is that culture, like I said the Sopranos and like underbelly here in Australia and even in the boxing you get to rub shoulders with organised crime figures and stuff that sort of make you feel strong. And that’s all you really have. They don’t really promote a warrior culture here.

And I think like that’s what one of the things I love that we’re doing now that if you want to be a hard man, if you want to be strong in a chad, you join the NSN! You fight, you’re a warrior for your people.

Graham Connolly: You’d be a political dissident.

Tim Lutze: Well right now it is. We won’t always be. But like fight for your people. Fight for your children and your grandchildren that aren’t even born yet. What, do you want to fight for some drug traffickers or sex traffickers or whatever? You know, ride around on your bike.

Graham Connolly: Ride around your bike, sell drugs, sell women.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, you know, so.

Graham Connolly: Or do you want to protect your people? You want to protect your tribe? Do you want to protect your, …

Tim Lutze: What other warrior culture is there in this country? Or any Western country? It’s like, you want to be a tough guy, the only way to do is, …

Graham Connolly: Be a gangster!

Tim Lutze: Yeah. You don’t even have your John McClaine or your Lethal Weapon cops anymore. You got your rainbow lanyards!

Graham Connolly: Exactly.

Tim Lutze: And I was a big fan of MMN and gangster rap and all that sort of stuff. So it’s like you, …

Graham Connolly: Yeah, it’s glorifying that rather than glorifying a warrior culture.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that’s right.

Graham Connolly: Like the Romans or the Greeks or whatever, the Spartans.

Tim Lutze: You know, even popular culture, like movies, there’s the dumb jock and the bimbo Stacy.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: You know it’s not a sign of strength to go and be good in class and be smart and intelligent and study history and, …

Graham Connolly: Yeah, you have to kind of stumble into that world, don’t you? Because that’s the underbelly.

The real underbelly is the political dissidents. The NSN, White Australia!

Tim Lutze: Yeah. So, you’re not even through pop culture, encouraged to do that sort of thing.

Graham Connolly: No.

Tim Lutze: You’re just encouraged to do almost anything to not be a strong, smart warrior.

Graham Connolly: Yeah, exactly! So we’ll get to that. But so you ended up, baby at 18.

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: You were still, … Where I’m trying to get is, you were still boxing. Boxing coach. Eventually, you started your own gym, though. What led to that? You started your own gym. What led to that?

Tim Lutze: Well, I did get a lot of time off boxing, and I got an apprenticeship and got through my legal stuff and I got, …

Graham Connolly: That’s right, your apprenticeship. You’re a boilermaker.

Tim Lutze: Yeah. A fitter and turner by trade. But I got through all that stuff and I had my daughter and I started boxing again and got on my feet and I got my own place. And I got into coaching. Because I’d put on a lot of weight and I was embarrassed, and it was too hard to train seriously, doing an apprenticeship and trying to deal with a daughter.

And we were still normies back then. We weren’t some trad family. Beck was trying to be independent woman, and I was trying to enjoy time, trying to mix time with my mates, having parties, having fun with the baby. And work and apprenticeship. So there wasn’t a lot of boxing going on for three, or four years or three years.

And then I started boxing again in 2012, had a few more fights.

Graham Connolly: How old were you? 21?

Tim Lutze: 21, yeah. And Beck and I decided that we needed a sibling for our daughter, that we didn’t want to be too far apart.

Graham Connolly: Not a surprise that.

[20:13]

Tim Lutze: No, it wasn’t a surprise. We understood that we were young. We understood that I was still an apprentice and I was trying to box. And I was fighting again, and I entered the state titles and I got through the first round. And you fight week by week when you’re in the state titles to draw.

And so I was into the semi-finals. And the week before the semi-finals because it was two weeks apart, my son was born. And then basically I was like trying to cut weight and there was a week before the fight and he was waking up for feeds and I was trying to go to work, because we’re living pay to pay. We had $20 to spare at the end of every fortnight with an apprentice wage, our own place and all that.

Family support physically, but our families don’t come from money. So it’s like everything we did was like we did ourselves with little help from our parents. And they helped where they could. And they always supported us, but it was still hard.

And so I basically went to work and I just called up my coach and I was like:

“You’re gonna have to pull me out. I can’t make weight. Like, I can’t stay up all night and go to work.”

And so I hung up from there. And I drove straight to the servo and I got a meat pie and an ice break. And just filled myself up with dopamine because I was so full of cortisol! [chuckling]

That was the same thing. Then I got a new job at a really big company and all this sort of stuff. And the career really took off, and I was focusing on my two kids. It’s very hard to train every day when you have two kids. Very hard. But I’ve always trained. Like, I’ve trained three days a week, four days, but not enough to fight. Not enough to diet and fight and travel around Melbourne to spar at other gyms.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: And all that sort of stuff. My coaches was getting into his 90s at this point. So I ended up buying my own house. And renovating, and doing all the nuclear family stuff and, …

Graham Connolly: Normie maxing!

Tim Lutze: Normie maxing. And then once I bought my house and it was renovated and I was happy and comfortable, I was in the right place to have a few more fights. So I had a few more fights in 2017. And then after those fights, I was coaching. There was a lot going on at the youth club I was at.

My coach had gone into a nursing home and he was the president for a long time. He was the head leader. You know, it was fascism. It was his way! And once he went into a nursing home, the committee, …

Graham Connolly: The committees!

Tim Lutze: Yeah, committees. So a group of vultures is called a committee. And he was the head of the committee. But he was the one person in charge.

Graham Connolly: Tom Sewell loves committees, doesn’t he?

Tim Lutze: No! No, he doesn’t!

Graham Connolly: [chuckling]

Tim Lutze: But yeah, he was in charge. And once he went into a nursing home, all these vultures took over the committee. Most of them were women and very feminist and used proxy voting and all these things from like, I’m not going to go into it, but, …

Graham Connolly: Beginning of the end.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it was beginning of the end. So it came to the point where they wouldn’t even let us open it up on Sundays because of regulations and all this stuff. And they wouldn’t let a spar if we had, … They were just making up rules because they just basically wanted to turn into a box fit club and not a, … And they’ve done this in Sunshine and other suburbs with youth clubs. They’ve basically pushed all the fighters and the boxers out and turned them into these box fit things for women in yoga pants or whatever.

And so we were training at just a commercial gym every Sunday and sparring and I’ll set up these big sparring days and we a couple time we had some guests come and some former World Champions and stuff come and watch the sparring. It was very funny, just in a commercial gym.

But after that we would get coffees and stuff and then there was a big group of us and everyone was telling me to open my own gym and I was saying:

“Nah.”

Graham Connolly: So you were a coach yourself at this point?

Tim Lutze: Yeah, I was a coach. Been a coach for a while, since Olivia was born, and I put on all this weight and my coach rang me up. This is the longest I didn’t train for. It was about six months. The longest I didn’t train for since I was 14 years old, was when she was born and all that. I was in a dark place. And he rang me up after six months and he said:

“Come back to the gym, mate.”

And I said:

“Nah, I’m fat and I’m embarrassed.”

And he said:

“Don’t be a bum. Just get to the gym. I’ll get your coaching licence.”

So I coached for a few years after Olivia was born. And then while I was coaching, I’d started sparring again and I was end up beating up the fighters. You know, these fighters were doing things, they were winning big fights and then he just pulled me aside again and said:

“Again, stop being a fucking bum. You’re beating these guys that you shouldn’t be. So start fighting.”

So that’s when I started fighting in 2012 again.

But anyway, so I stopped fighting and I started focusing on trying to build this gym. And in 2019, we opened this gym, and everyone convinced me and got behind me and it was awesome! We hit the ground running.

Graham Connolly: What was it called?

Tim Lutze: Legacy. Legacy Boxing Gym. And we thought of all these names to call it, and we sat around the table like a committee. And I’m not very creative. I’m not very articulate or creative.

So I was just asking everyone, I said:

“Go away for next week, come back with 10 names each and let’s see what we should call it.”

And we came up with all these weird names and people were saying, like:

“Oh, why don’t you call it Lutze’s Boxing or Tim’s Boxing?”

And what I said was:

“I don’t want my name attached to it.”

[25:51]

Graham Connolly: Yep.

Tim Lutze: I’ve seen it. I’ve seen coaches do that and they’re like, “Team, whatever”. It’s like the coach’s name here, it’s like coach Smith, and it’s got “Team Smith” on the back, like these guys using their fighters to promote themselves. You know, it’s not something that I’ve ever sort of appreciated. But if people want to do that, that’s on them.

But it’s not something that I want to do. I want my fighters to do their own thing.

So one of the guys said to me:

“It’s really hard because it’s going to be about our coach, our coach’s legacy, and it has to be about our legacy going forward.”

And I was like:

“Yeah, it is hard. I don’t know what we can call it.”

So I just said:

“Leave the names with me.”

And we came back a week later and I said:

“I’ve got it. I know what we should call it!”

I said:

“We call it Legacy.”

And then the guy that said he leans over to me and he goes:

“Did I accidentally come up with that?”

And I was like:

“Yeah, you kind of did.”

So we all got together and I told him the name and I said because it’s about the legacy that was passed on to us from our coach and now the people that helped us get where we are. And it’s about your legacy going forwards. So everyone comes to the gym and creates their own legacy.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: You know, legacy doesn’t belong to everyone. Your legacy belongs to you.

Graham Connolly: Yeah, that’s nice.

Tim Lutze: Yeah. The way you train, the way you eat, you sleep, will determine what your legacy will be.

Graham Connolly: Your legacy! Yeah. That’s nice. It doesn’t matter how many people you have in your gym, how big it grows, each individual has their own legacy to build. That’s cool.

Tim Lutze: And throughout boxing, what I’ve noticed, you know, from walking into Footskill Youth Club, a smart arse kid, and getting humbled and then starting my own gym and helping people build their own legacies, it made me realise that the lessons that boxing bring to life, like they’re comparable. You know, like boxing is a metaphor for life. You know, you can’t play boxing, you can’t sit on the bench when you’re tired, you can’t pass the ball to your teammate. And that’s how life is that’s how it should be anyway.

So how you train is how your fight’s going to go. You can’t cheat!

Graham Connolly: You can’t cheat.

Tim Lutze: You can’t do it easy. You can’t cheat on the bag. You can’t cheat when you’re skipping.

Graham Connolly: You can’t write the answers on your arm.

Tim Lutze: Nah, you know, yeah, you can’t cherry pick. You can’t stand in the goals and just kick it in, be a Striker.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: You’re everything in the ring. You’re the defender, you’re the offender.

Graham Connolly: Yep.

Tim Lutze: You know, and you control the pace or the pace controls you.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: And you’ve got to deal with it. So boxing is just a good metaphor for life, and that’s what I’ve always found.

Graham Connolly: And there’s still some teamwork to it, like in training and stuff like that. But when it comes down to it, …

Tim Lutze: Nobody ever has success getting to a fight by themselves!

Graham Connolly: Yeah, exactly! So there’s still that aspect of teamwork, life, too.

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: You got to be able to work with, …

Tim Lutze: You need guys, …

Graham Connolly: But then you still got to be able to do your part, your thing, and then that’s what the fight itself is, isn’t it?

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: You need guys to train with, to spa with, to hit the bag with, to tell you to pick it up.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: You don’t need to have twenty fights to tell me that I’m dropping my hands or I’ve got my chin in the air or like, I’ve seen people, they’ll be like:

“You can’t tell me what to do. You’ve only had one fight or you’ve had no fights or whatever.”

Like, it’s either my chin is in the air or it’s not. And so I would have young guys, I’d be sparring, another gym, would come, or a lot of the young guys would like to go to other gyms with you just to watch.

Graham Connolly: Yep.

Tim Lutze: And I used to as well. I used to go with the older guys and watch them spar. They’re going to spar with some big names. And you come to the corner and your coach or your cornerman’s there. And then I used to look at the young guy or whatever and say:

“What am I doing wrong?”

And they’re just like:

“Oh, what are you asking me for?”

“You know, you can tell me if I’m keeping my chin in the air or whatever.”

And sometimes they give you good advice.

Graham Connolly: Sometimes they do. Even, like, I grew up, playing soccer was my game back at home, and I grew up with guys that were never very good at it. But then they had a really good head for it.

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: They had a really good head for the tactics. Really good head that could coach it really well, you know?

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: So it’s not always the best fighter that makes the best coach, not always the best player that makes the best coach.

[30:22]

Tim Lutze: But we started the gym 2019 and three months later, we just got put into Covid lockdowns for two years.

Graham Connolly: Oh, lovely. Brand new gym!

Tim Lutze: We were in the building for three months before Covid happened. But as quick as we’re in the building, the gym already had two fights, two wins.

Graham Connolly: Yeah, nice.

Tim Lutze: You know, two weeks before Covid. So we got in the gym, we built it. I was training the boys as we’re building it. One week we’re slipping on slippery concrete. The next week it was polished and covered so it had grip, and we’re drilling bags on the walls and they’re hitting bags and yeah, so we managed to squeeze two fights in and it was locked down for two years.

Graham Connolly: And what did you do during lockdowns?

Tim Lutze: We trained!

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Was no fighting, was there? Was there no competition?

Tim Lutze: There was not for a year, but after a year, you’d come out of lockdown for like a month. And the fights had never been more busy. Somehow everyone been training. And everyone would put their fighters in and then they would have a card. Sometimes there were two cards in one day in the morning and an afternoon card, all the way into like seven o’clock at night. Just because there were so many people that wanted to fight. But everyone trained. I closed for about a month thinking that:

“Oh, it’s two weeks, they’re going to lock down for flatten the curve.”

And then you realise that it’s total bullshit! I think most of Victoria realised, oh, no, actually there were a lot of retards!

But yeah, I realised after a month it was bullshit! And I messaged the boys, said:

“This is what it is. Let’s go back.”

And it was only the very inner circle that was training and keeping it quiet for about until about six months. And then I was like, at that point, you’re like:

“We could lose everything, or we could just start training again and risk losing everything.”

Graham Connolly: Yeah, what’s the difference?

Tim Lutze: Yeah, so I just told them, word of mouth, bring anyone you want, train. And like, we were never more busy than Covid, especially the end of Covid. Like, no one in Victoria gave a shit!

And then word of mouth just spread and it was just the gym was packed and yeah, that was a busy day. And then everything opened up and everyone started doing things again.

So it was like a quiet period after Covid. It wasn’t like we opened up and everyone was there. It was actually the reverse. We can go to restaurants!

Graham Connolly: Crazy, isn’t it?

Tim Lutze: Yeah. But, …

Graham Connolly: That was around, 2021?

Tim Lutze: Yeah, 2021, 2022. And, 2022 the gym had about 30 something fights. And we had three guys on the state team and I got a position as a State coach on the youth team.

Graham Connolly: Yep.

Tim Lutze: And yeah, the gym was just flying!

Graham Connolly: So you got positioned as the State coach on the State youth team?

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: And how many coaches on the, … What does that entail?

Tim Lutze: So you go, … I can’t remember. It’s about every three weeks.

Graham Connolly: Who are you coaching?

Tim Lutze: You kind of coach the whole group. There’s a lot of coaches because you’ve got to think that it’s a rolling tournament, the nationals. So you have to have two coaches in the corner for every fighter. So like you’re warming someone up, there’s two other coaches warming someone up.

Graham Connolly: Yep.

Tim Lutze: There’s two coaches in the ring warming someone up. And then there’s a head coach.

Graham Connolly: And you’re still running your own gym, Legacy?

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: So every three weeks you go to a different sort of, …

Graham Connolly: And you were still working?

Tim Lutze: Yeah, still work full-time. I’ve never, …

Graham Connolly: Still had two children.

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Yep. Still had two children. And that’s where Beck really came into her own. And she just supported the house, supported the gym. And we were just able to, … And the kids. It was the happiest we ever were.

Graham Connolly: Just really found your feet.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: Look, we used to go camping every weekend before I had the gym. And I don’t think we went camping once, once we had the gym, but the kids, everyone were all happy. We loved camping. And during Covid we were camping in the gym and doing all sorts of fun stuff!

Graham Connolly: So you’re busy. You were doing this thing as a family.

[34:38]

Tim Lutze: For one of the kids birthdays during Covid we messaged a couple friends and we rang like a jumping castle guy to hire a jumping castle. And he was so happy to hear from us. He hadn’t had business in months. And we asked him if he’d be willing to bring it into a factory and keep it quiet and all that. And he bought us the biggest jumping castle and it was so cheap, and a free fairy floss and all this. And we just had this indoor party inside the gym. Yeah, it was really good! But we were so happy.

And we had a few fights during Covid. My boys had to, had to change organisation during Covid because some of them, well, some of them got vaxxed, but some of them didn’t want to get vaxxed. So I didn’t get waxed and so I was encouraging them not to. Some of them did for whatever reason. But they were training and they wanted to fight.

And if you switch organisations in Victoria, you’re basically black banned. It’s like a no, no, you do not switch organisations. They’re very militant about that.

So I went to the other organisation because the one, the association I was in, which is the Olympic Boxing Association, they said that they cannot fight:

“No, without vax they can’t fight.”

So I said to the boys.

“Your career is not over. Doesn’t mean we can’t fight. We’ll call the other organisation, we’ll check.”

And we rang them. I was open and honest, I didn’t lie. And I told them the deal and they said:

“All right, they can come and fight.”

So we went fight and one of my boys won the State title in that league. Which was awesome! It was an awesome moment. And he actually did it like in a country town against the hometown guy. And the crowd was rowdy as! And they were drunk and they were hitting the ring, …

Graham Connolly: How old was he?

Tim Lutze: Around 18.

Graham Connolly: Yeah. Nice.

Tim Lutze: Around 18, a young guy.

Graham Connolly: That’s intimidating for an 18 year old, man!

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And these guys were hitting the ring. The ref had to stop the fight a few times to tell the crowd to calm down. And he was just picking their boy apart.

And then after the fight it was like they were sort of pushing me, shoved me on the back like drunken. And it was like two police in there, just shitting their pants just:

“Like what are we gonna do?”

Two country cops like on the walkie talkies.

And then as the fight ends, my guy lifts up the guy’s his opponent’s hand and thumbs up the crowd. And the crowd loved that! And they just thought he was cool for that.

And then he got the decision and he won. And they kind of like, cheered him a little bit. And yeah, and we got out of the ring and they were like, slapping me on the back, like really hard! Like I was [chuckling] just like:

“Yeah, thanks.”

Graham Connolly: Yeah! [chuckling] It was good in the end.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it was good. It was good.

But then, yeah, we got the call from the Association, threatening, saying:

“Why did we do it? Why did we go in the other league? Blah, blah, blah, you know, why?”

Graham Connolly: You know why! You try to force my boys to get vaccinated!

Tim Lutze: I told him I didn’t want to, that I’d grown up in the association, that I know in all the committee in the association since I was a boy. And I did grow up with these men.

Graham Connolly: You were being diplomatic about it. You could have just told them to go, …

Tim Lutze: And so, yeah, they sort of said:

“Well don’t do it again, whatever.”

Like this is when everything opened up, and I was just questioned off the side. It wasn’t too official. But after that it was just fight, fight, every single week. You know, one of my boys had 11 fights in 12 months.

Graham Connolly: What!

Tim Lutze: Yeah. And he made the State team, went national.

Graham Connolly: Nice. And geez, you would have been proud.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, I was. And so after that, they still made me State coach and that, because I had grown up in there. And the president of Victoria was my coach before he went into the nursing home. So I had really close connections with the coaches and the committee at Boxing Victoria and Boxing Australia.

Graham Connolly: This kind of leads us into the heavier stuff, doesn’t it?

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it does. So everything was perfect. My job was good, …

Graham Connolly: In the background, though, you are, …

Tim Lutze: I had the nuclear family, I bought my house, I had my business, and everything was perfect, …

Graham Connolly: But in the background Covid as well.

Tim Lutze: No.

Graham Connolly: No, it wasn’t, was it?

Tim Lutze: No, Covid was over.

Graham Connolly: Yeah, Covid was over. But during all of this you are, like many of us, you’re being exposed to a different set of politics.

Tim Lutze: Yes. So that was my boxing journey. My political journey started like most Australians and Americans, I guess, was like around, 2016, 2017. You know, 2016, I was like watching the Trump campaign and Gavin McInnes and Ben Shapiro, …

Graham Connolly: Ben Shapiro and fucking, …

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that was my 2016. And I was a, I would say a nationalist. Like, I wasn’t civic. I’ve never been a civic nationalist. I’ve never thought that a piece of paper makes you Australian. Very few people think that.

Graham Connolly: Nobody thinks that!

[39:51]

Tim Lutze: Yeah, very few people think that. And especially where I’m from, nobody thinks that.

Graham Connolly: Nobody believes that shit!

Tim Lutze: And so I never believed that. But I got into that 2017, I started my red pilling process, and I don’t really remember how it kicked off. But I had like a work mate that was telling me about the financial system, it’s run by the jews and World War II is a bit of a lie, and gave me some revisionist history. And I was very sceptical about it and I’m like:

“What about that Spielberg movie?”

Graham Connolly: And like, you have German, … So one side of your family’s German? One side English?

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Anglo.

Graham Connolly: So they fought each other World War II?

Tim Lutze: Yeah. So both my great grandfathers were in the war and they both, … Well, my Anglo great grandfather was stationed in Japan and my German grandfather was in the Wehrmacht. But you know, it was a brother war, but they didn’t really fight each other. So my German side, they look at it as like a dark history of our family. My grandfather grew up in Germany and he went to communist schools and he took the trip to Auschwitz every year. And so indoctrinations in our schools are probably only starting to reach the levels they were in communist Germany.

Graham Connolly: Yeah. So like up until this point in your life, you hadn’t even really heard out the German side of the story.

Tim Lutze: No! Like it was something you don’t really talk about as a German.

Graham Connolly: Yeah, exactly! You don’t talk about.

Tim Lutze: No. You don’t talk about it.

Graham Connolly: Yeah, it’s a real dark part!

Tim Lutze: And it’s always brought up to you. Like soon as people, …

Graham Connolly: Yeah, people bring it up to you, but you don’t want to talk about it. You just got an aversion to the subject.

Tim Lutze: And the people are like:

“Oh, you’re German. Heil Hitler!”

And then you’re kind of like:

“Oh, no, Hitler’s actually Austrian.”

[chuckling]

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: You try to distance yourself.

Graham Connolly: Yeah, it’s like not racist thing.

Tim Lutze: So I was doing the revisionist history and that. And just getting all the normal red pills that you get, like David Irving and Ernst Zundel and you know, like, yeah, I just took that path and I watched the Greatest Story Never Told. And then around, 2018, Europa came out. I watched Europa. And I was depressed! I remember watching it. I was depressed.

Graham Connolly: Fucking right, man!

Tim Lutze: And I was telling everyone! And everyone thought I was crazy!

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: You know, I was trying to tell my mom and my family. They’re all just like:

“What’s wrong with you?”

I just found out this secret, this lie, and you want to tell everyone and you just start speaking, …

Graham Connolly: It’s the same story, it’s the same journey for everybody that comes down this path, isn’t it?

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it is.

Graham Connolly: Where you feel like:

“I’ve just found this out! We have to wake everybody up. We have to tell everybody. Everybody has to notice!”

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: And it’s futile, isn’t it?

Tim Lutze: And as this is going on, I’m having my struggles at the youth club with feminism and all these things like, attack on masculinity in my boxing gym. As if these two things were kind of related.

But I was really distracted with the boxing gym for a couple of years. And then, like trying to set that up. And then Covid hit. And then I knew who the enemy was!

Graham Connolly: Yep.

Tim Lutze: Like, Covid showed me who the enemy was.

Graham Connolly: Yep.

Tim Lutze: And I was really down during Covid when I couldn’t go to the gym and we weren’t training properly and like it was a long time. It was a long time. It feels like it wasn’t, but it was such a long time. And we started home-schooling, and I really loved that.

Graham Connolly: Did you check the “early life” of all the pharmaceutical company CEOs? [chuckling]

Tim Lutze: Early life? What’s that? [chuckling] But nah. So, yeah I was in a dark place.

And then, like I said the gym started opening up. And everyone started fighting. And I just immersed myself in the boxing, because that’s all I’ve ever done. And like I said, everything started going for me. I had every reason to just go back asleep.

Graham Connolly: Gaslight yourself!

Tim Lutze: Yeah. After the blue pill!

Graham Connolly: Yep.

Tim Lutze: And just run my gym. Become Australian coach, go to World Games!

Graham Connolly: Had you read Mien Kampf?

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: And looking back on it now, didn’t he have a very similar journey where he kept taking the blue pill as well? Again, we all have a very similar journey. Where we basically gaslight ourselves, give ourselves the blue pill just because it’s easier!

[44:49]

Tim Lutze: Yeah, I remember reading it and how much it made sense, and, … It didn’t, … I was actually underwhelmed by it. Yeah, I thought it was like this thing, like it’s banned!

Graham Connolly: Yeah, yeah.

Tim Lutze: You read it and it’s like completely grounded!

Graham Connolly: A really reasonable guy that thinks like I think, like it’s all based in certain natural law.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, like I had this thing, …

Graham Connolly: That was like common sense! Yeah, he’s a common sense patriot.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, he’s a common sense patriot.

Graham Connolly: That’s right.

Tim Lutze: But yeah, so like I tried to distract myself with that stuff and everything was going for me and I had a good crew at the gym and you know, good inner membership. And 80% of my members knew about my views and we’d throw Romans in the gym and crack jokes.

I always say, there was one guy that I grew up with since I was 15 in boxing that I wasn’t honest with. He was actually a police officer, and we were completely different ideology. We’d have debates and that. But yeah I kind of regret not being honest. But I knew if I was honest with him I’d lose the friendship. Which as soon as I was doxed he had a key to the gym. He basically cleaned his locker out and left the key on the reception and left. And he’s never, never spoke to me and I never heard from him again.

Graham Connolly: Nice. Fuck! Hurts when that shit happens. But yeah, you knew that was going to happen though. That’s the funny thing about it.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, he definitely would have like not been surprised when he found out just because all the jokes and the Romans. But like I wasn’t honest with him and he was a friend of mine.

Graham Connolly: But like I mean there’s a way saying, you’re not honest with somebody is like who really is, … Just because of your politics is almost like you have to expose, you have to tell people, you have to be honest with people about your politics?

But most people don’t even talk about politics!

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: We grew up with the never talk about religion, never talk about politics, never talk about money. That’s what we grow up with in the West.

Tim Lutze: Well that’s the problem though.

Graham Connolly: That’s a hundred percent the problem! Absolutely is the problem! But then for you to say though that:

“Oh, I wasn’t honest with this guy!”

It’s kind of like but who is nowadays? Nobody talks, …

Tim Lutze: Yeah, in hindsight.

Graham Connolly: Like Westerners anyway.

Tim Lutze: But yeah, if I was honest he would have left anyway.

But yeah, I did pull all my inner circle aside and say that and we were following everything that was happening, …

Graham Connolly: Was you actually, after us talking about getting doxed now. But we haven’t even got to any, doxed for what, Tim? [chuckling]

Tim Lutze: No, well, this is what I was just saying. I was still so empty. Everything was perfect. The house, the dog, the kids, the business, the full-time job. And every weekend in a different location for fights and country fights and traveling over the state and interstate and it was gonna start going overseas. So I had every reason to just do that and I don’t regret not doing it time but I wish I wasn’t doxed, maybe if I had 12 more months in the boxing world, it would have been interesting.

But yeah, so I was empty, and my missus knew I was empty. Because I had this dark cloud. I had this dark cloud in my mind and just yeah this the world on my shoulders. And I thought about doing a lot of things, and I was kind of looking at the time they were developing active clubs in America.

Graham Connolly: Rondo [sp]

Tim Lutze: And yeah, I thought maybe I could do something like that.

And I did notice the NSN sort of come up on the project and these other news sort of a Current Affair shows and I thought that’d be, that’d be good too. But I did start following them and I started following, you know, Tom, Jacob, not Jacob. Oh yeah, Tom and Jazz CB, Hard Knocks and yeah. Just trying to think how I could get in contact with them and, or if I should get in contact with them.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: And this was probably at the start of 22 and we know boys are fighting. I’m still distracted and but I’m still empty. And so then, … Tom went to jail!

Graham Connolly: Do you reckon that it was just something that was like:

“Fucking, I know this stuff and I have to do something about it!”

Tim Lutze: Yes.

Graham Connolly: I need to do something about it!

Like I have to fucking do something about this! I can’t just sit idly by and not do anything.

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Tom went to jail during Covid. And then I thought it was kind of over like as I was thinking what to do during Covid because I was considering, … That was when, during Covid is when I was considering, …

Graham Connolly: That was when Tom Sewell?

Tim Lutze: Yeah. So during Covid when I was thinking about doing the active club thing, I was trying to think how could I do this? You know, because I’m from a very multicultural part of Melbourne and my gym was pretty multicultural. Where I live it’s just not possible to not be.

[49:51]

Graham Connolly: Yeah, but plus that’s not what your gripe is with anyway, …

Tim Lutze: No, no.

Graham Connolly: It never has been for as long as I’ve known you.

Tim Lutze: So yeah, my gym wasn’t like a White gym.

Graham Connolly: No.

Tim Lutze: And you never, it never was planned to be. I was just trying to build an active club that could be.

But you know, the gym was never planned to be that. And it was never the goal. And so you know, we’re in Covid and Thomas is in jail, and I thought:

“Oh, that’s all over. That was kind of fun. That could have been something.”

Then Tom got out of jail and it was a little bit quiet for a while. I still thought it was over. I was just happy he got out and all this. But then some pictures started emerging and they were training and they were doing things and they organised a fight day. And I was thinking of attending that fight day but then I actually remember we had some fights on that weekend. So I ended up not like doing that.

But then Jimbo got stabbed in the neck. Jimbo Roberts got stabbed in the neck. And the cops didn’t seem to be investigating him.

Graham Connolly: Okay.

Tim Lutze: And that was it! That was like the straw that broke the camel’s back.

Graham Connolly: In the middle of Melbourne where there’s CCTV everywhere. Where you couldn’t fart without getting Arrested!

Tim Lutze: You were in the Org. [NSN]

Graham Connolly: Yeah, I was in the Org.

Tim Lutze: I didn’t know that. So you were actually there. So you know all about that. And so I’m watching this from the outside and I was, …

Graham Connolly: The cops know who stabbed Jimbo in the neck.

Graham Connolly: Yeah, right.

Graham Connolly: They do. Let’s be honest. We know well they know. There’s no way they don’t know.

Tim Lutze: We can get in the cops later. I’ve got a lot to say about them! [chuckling]

Graham Connolly: But just in that particular one, they know who stabbed him. There’s no way you can stab somebody in the throat in Melbourne and not be on CCTV.

Tim Lutze: No, it’s like London. There’s just cameras everywhere.

Graham Connolly: Cameras everywhere.

Tim Lutze: So Jimbo was stabbed in the neck and he was in a coma for about two weeks, I believe.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: And in his two weeks I was really angry! And I was and my missus just had enough. She could see the torment that was happening the conflict inside of me. And she just said:

“Just join! Just contact them or do something. Do something. Because you can’t keep living how you’re living.”

Graham Connolly: And she knew your, …

Tim Lutze: I would talk to her about everything!

Graham Connolly: So she’d seen all this stuff as well, and she’d seen The Greatest Story Never Told, herself?

Tim Lutze: No, no, no! She’s not like that. She calls it her “bubble”. Should stay in her bubble.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: I’ll be like:

“Oh, the Holodomor!”

She’s like:

“I don’t need to know that!”

She calls it her bubble. She wants to live in her bubble. So I try not to burst it.

Graham Connolly: But it’s awesome that she didn’t doubt you or anything. She didn’t even know about it, but trusted what you’re saying, what you believe and what you’re saying is right.

Tim Lutze: We’ve been together since high school, so she’s 100%.

Graham Connolly: She just knows.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, she knows. And she knows I’ve always provided and done everything. So she’s, …

Graham Connolly: She’d know you have a bit of a sort of a purity to you.

Tim Lutze: And she knew what was going on, and I was explaining it to her over the years from 2016, we’re in 2021 now.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: And so Jimbo woke up and she’s like, encouraged me to join or “to do something” was her words.

Graham Connolly: Yep.

Tim Lutze: So I messaged Jimbo and said:

“Hey, mate, I’m glad you’re okay. I’ve got a gym if you boys want to come and train. Feel free to message me back.”

Graham Connolly: Beginning of the end of Legacy.

Tim Lutze: It was almost straight away, like, he messaged me and he said:

“I’ll speak to the big guy, or the big man.”

And then I was like:

“Oh, I know what that means.”

So I think it was like less than a week later, you know, him, Nathan Bull and Tom just walk into the reception at Legacy. And had the family there and took him through a boxing session.

Graham Connolly: And yeah, Nathan was in his early days then, too. Nathan was a bit soft in the belly and not very mature.

He’s a different man now, isn’t he? [chuckling]

Tim Lutze: He is. Like, I’m not even allowed to talk to him. That’s heartbreaking. Yeah, I’ve had a very close relationship with Nathan. He’s grown so much since I’ve joined. And I’ve tried my best to guide him. I hope that I’ve contributed to the man he is today because he’s a very staunch man!

Graham Connolly: I hope so, too. And you definitely have.

Tim Lutze: And loyal, and there is no situation that he wouldn’t have your back.

[54:11]

Graham Connolly: And you’ve seen it before. Even Tom’s seen it. If you remember. If you remember back, like, he, …

Tim Lutze: He used to annoy the shit out of Tom.

Graham Connolly: Yo! Oh! And you can understand why! Like, it wasn’t, …

Tim Lutze: If looks could kill, we wouldn’t have Nathan.

Graham Connolly: No. We wouldn’t!

Tim Lutze: He would blurt something out. And Tom would just, …

Graham Connolly: But a little bit of guidance. His loyalties is off the charts!

Graham Connolly: Nah. Yeah.

Tim Lutze: Like, he’s just grown so much. And he’s a father now.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: You know, and beautiful little girl.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: It’s just amazing, his transformation. It makes you realise what we’re doing. And I’ve seen it in the boxing gym and like people come in. You know, you get all types in the boxing gym, and people think that you get, … Not everyone’s a rough nut. Like, a lot of people start boxing because they’re not. Because they get bullied.

One of my best fighters at Legacy, he started because he had to leave different schools because he was getting bullied. And even when he was State champion, you know, he was in year 12 and he’s State champion, and these things were still happening and, …

Graham Connolly: Crazy!

Tim Lutze: And I just told him, like guys in the gym, it’s a rough area. So some of the other older guys in the gym were:

“I know, we’ll come down to your school.”

And I said:

“Just don’t. I’ve been there. Don’t do it. He’s almost finished school. Let him finish school. And then he can just worry about his boxing career or whatever it is he wants to do in life.”

Because it escalates! It escalates. And it was only words. It wasn’t physical, but like, yeah, he’d go to school and he could waste anyone he wants. But in areas that we grow up in, a fight doesn’t end once you bash someone.

Graham Connolly: No.

Tim Lutze: You know, that person has a cousin.

Graham Connolly: Yep. That’s the beginning.

Tim Lutze: These people are brown and they have cousins and friends.

Graham Connolly: And if you can’t beat you with these.

Tim Lutze: Oh, yeah, most of them can’t beat you with those. That’s why you’re gonna get stabbed or.

Graham Connolly: Yeah, yeah.

Tim Lutze: So it’s like. Yeah, it was best just to let him do it.

Graham Connolly: He’s mad as a bat. [chuckling]

Tim Lutze: I can see it.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: But, yeah, so then I messaged Jimbo and then, yeah, he came down and trained with the boys. I think about a week later, I was added to the chats and Tom sort of put a message in the chats:

“I need some guys for something.”

And I said:

“Oh, all right.”

So I messaged him. I was at work, I messaged him and I said:

“Yeah, cool. What do you need?”

He goes:

“I need you to be here at this time and wear black clothing, and bring a mask.”

Graham Connolly: So kind of bizarre!

Tim Lutze: Well, I thought:

“What are we robbing a bank? What have I joined here? What are we doing?”

Like, I don’t think there was a rally before that.

Graham Connolly: Because I actually couldn’t get to that one. Yeah, so that would have been awesome! Even though I was a part of it for quite a while at that stage, we hadn’t done a rally. Yeah, we’ve just been training and training. And actually, I met you before that because you did train on a Saturday before that.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that’s what I meant. So that was during the week.

Graham Connolly: Yeah. You came to the park on the Saturday.

Tim Lutze: On the Saturday, Yeah, I was added to the chats and so I think it was that week. It was within seven days, roughly. Yeah, something like that. Right? Oh, no, maybe it was. Yeah, Saturday to Saturday. I think they came on a Saturday, it was like, Grand Final.

Anyway. Yeah, a week or two weeks. And then I get this message at work and so I was like:

“All right!”

And, yeah, there was a tranny in a park dancing for little children, and they’d seen it the day before, and they just impromptu rushed and made this our first rally and so, …

Graham Connolly: Demon flesh.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, I rocked up there and none of us were in, …

Graham Connolly: So it was basically one of these Drag Queen Story Hour type events, wasn’t it?

Tim Lutze: Yeah, it was like, … And these were unheard of in Australia. Like there were a thing in America, but I don’t remember one before that. But they were very quiet. Even this one was quiet. And the only reason that I believe they found out about it is because one guy lives in the area and he’s seen a poster.

Graham Connolly: Yep. It was this weird satanic shit!

Tim Lutze: Yeah, some tranny.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: That staples shit to itself on stage for, does adult shows.

Graham Connolly: Yeah. And they were doing this for children.

Tim Lutze: Not stapling.

Graham Connolly: But this was especially for children.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, this was especially for children in the park.

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Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: So I rocked up there and Tom and Jimbo were standing there. There were some other boys around in the park. I was aware that they were there. I didn’t know who they were, or didn’t meet them.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: And so Tom’s like:

“Did you bring a mask?”

And I stopped at the servo [gas station] and I got a black Covid mask. You know, like none of us were in matching black block. It was so ghetto! Yeah, we just ploughed along the field. Police tried to block us. We sort of pushed our way through and then yeah, there was the first rally. And we were in all the news and the papers.

Graham Connolly: And if anyone is watching this, look it up. It’s the Belial B’Zarr, I think it was called. Belial B’Zarr. Where was it? Moonee Ponds*.

[* Moonee Ponds is an inner-city suburb in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 7 km north-west of Melbourne’s Central Business District, located within the City of Moonee Valley local government area. Moonee Ponds recorded a population of 16, 224 at the 2021 census. Moonee Ponds is home to Queens Park and the Moonee Valley Racecourse. Wikipedia]

[The group of men staged the vile protest at Queen’s Park, unfurling two banners. One referred to Drag Queen Belial B’Zarr as “Demon Flesh” while another read “Drag Pedos Groom Kids”.]

Yeah. Moonee Ponds. The NSN went to protest in a park and there should be good videos. Go watch it.

Tim Lutze: Maybe someone can link it in the comments section or something. And then I was hooked! I was hooked. I had done something, you know, where I felt like I did something.

Graham Connolly: I was less than 10 minutes away, standing on the roof of a hospital that was currently under construction, trying to get away. And I had a photographer there that I was taking around.

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: And he cost like two and a half grand a day. And this was like 12 o’ clock.

And I was like going:

“You got enough!”

I was like literally just trying to get him to go, but he was like one of these guys that he’s dedicated to his job. I just wanted to get away so I could come and join you, but I couldn’t.

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: And I missed that day. So I wasn’t hooked yet!

Tim Lutze: But, yeah. And then I was hooked and I just started training Saturdays and all that.

And yeah, I guess that brings us to the doxing.

Graham Connolly: So we start using Legacy, didn’t we?

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Well, we used Legacy one month and then we’ll go the next week we’ll go somewhere else and stuff.

Graham Connolly: Legacy was still Legacy? It was still Legacy, but you were welcoming of us.

Tim Lutze: So you was welcome to train with my guys and all that.

Graham Connolly: Which we did.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, you did. It wasn’t a Whites only gym or anything like that. And the majority of my membership, I had notified I was joining and I told him I was joining and especially the inner circle.

Graham Connolly: Most of them had no problem with it.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, no, no! And some of the boys who lived in the West would come and train at the Legacy sessions.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: And we’d still fighting and some of my boys would fight, and the EAM [European Australian Movement] would come down and watch and support my voice.

So there’s a was one card at the Croatian Club where all the boys came down and we filled up a couple tables. And yeah, it was good. It was a really good day for me just to, …

Graham Connolly: That traitor dog John Setka* was there. I was like fucking burning a hole in the back of the cunt’s head!

[* John Setka is a former Australian trade Unionist. Until 12 July 2024, he was the Secretary of the Victorian-Tasmanian division of the Construction, Forestry, Maritime, and Energy Union for 12 years. The Victorian-Tasmanian division administers the South Australian division under a temporary arrangement. Wikipedia]

Tim Lutze: He is the head of the CFMEU Union, the biggest union in Australia. He was, he’s actually stepped down because of all these organised crime links or whatever.

But yeah, boxing’s full of that. Yeah, it’s full of organised criminals and stuff like that, associated with boxing. It always has been. I think in most countries it’s a thing.

Graham Connolly: What did they have in the lobby? It was in the Croatian Club, wasn’t it?

Tim Lutze: Yeah, I believe it’s still there. They’ve got a statue of Ante Pavelić*, the fascist leader of Croatia.

[* Ante Pavelić-Croatian fascist general and military dictator (1889–1959) Ante Pavelić was a Croatian politician who founded and headed the fascist ultranationalist organisation known as the Ustaše in 1929 and was dictator of the Independent State of Croatia, a fascist state built out of parts of occupied Yugoslavia by the authorities of NS Germany and Fascist Italy, from 1941 to 1945.]

I think me and Tom took a photo in front of it that night. I don’t think we ever posted it. I wasn’t doxed then. But yeah.

Graham Connolly: So how did you get doxed?

Tim Lutze: Well, Tom was going to hold a national fight competition and I offered my gym and I really wanted it to be hosted at my gym. I thought it would be an honour! And Tom agreed. So we did. I think it was the first national fight competition ever, it would have been. And we did it at Legacy. And we set the ring up and we had a food and music and everything. And it was our first nationals and we all fought each other and yeah, it was a good day! We had a barista.

Graham Connolly: Fantastic!

Tim Lutze: But, yeah, and then a few videos and stuff got posted from that and photos. And Internet sleuth sort of matched the gym with mine. And it was always going to happen because a lot of the State coaches and a lot of gyms have come down to my gym for sparring. Like we were on every fight card in 2022, every fight card!

Graham Connolly: Somebody was gonna do it.

Tim Lutze: There were dozens of people at every fight walking around with Legacy Hoodies and that sort of stuff. And which meant that a lot of gyms would come to our gym for sparring and we’d go to theirs. So it probably wasn’t very hard to have the gym doxed.

I underestimated the power that the doxing had. I kind of thought it would get doxed and, …

Graham Connolly: It would just die off or whatever.

Tim Lutze: Not die off, but I thought that I was ready for the heat.

Graham Connolly: You got heavied, though, because you had a gym.

Tim Lutze: Because I was a community person.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: I’ve grown up in Footscray. Well, I’m not from Footscray, but I grew up training in Footscray and I had my gym in Sunshine. I was very established in the boxing world and I was on the State team. And hopefully I was being groomed to be on the Australian team as a coach and at the same time, I was thinking about fighting again.

Graham Connolly: You had to be destroyed! That’s what that is. Really. That was the approach. A lot of us just get a bit of a doxing, whatever. You might lose your bank account. That’s it!

You got it all. Like, they came for everything!

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Tim Lutze: So, yeah, they put two and two together and they found out that it was Legacy boxing. And yeah, I thought that I’d be able to talk my way out of it and say that it’s politics, it’s got nothing to do with boxing and all that sort of stuff.

But I found out on Christmas Eve actually in the newspaper that I had my coaching licence stripped and my gym de-registered and all this stuff. Like, …

Graham Connolly: No hearings?

Tim Lutze: No, nothing! Just taken. And all my membership were like:

“We’re going to stick by you.”

Graham Connolly: That’s the association. Boxing association?

Tim Lutze: Yeah. So Victoria Amateur Boxing Association. It was actually Boxing Australia, that did it. So President David Pike of Boxing Australia actually did it.

Graham Connolly: All right. Really?

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: Wow!

Tim Lutze: So it’s all the way up and so, …

Graham Connolly: So you were as a State coach on your way to be probably an Australian coach.

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: And not only are you not going to be a State coach anymore, but you’ve lost your life, … Somehow, you’re now incapable of teaching people how to box?

Tim Lutze: Yeah, I’m not allowed to.

Graham Connolly: Somehow your politics means that you can’t, you like, I don’t know, you lost the skill to teach boxing or some shit?

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Everyone knows if I was an Aboriginal nationalist it wouldn’t have happened.

Graham Connolly: If you were any other nationalist!

Tim Lutze: You know there’s an Aboriginal gym in Fitzroy.

Graham Connolly: And why shouldn’t there be.

Tim Lutze: Well, I don’t have a problem with that at all!

Graham Connolly: You didn’t even have a White only gym!

Tim Lutze: But why shouldn’t I if I wanted to?

Graham Connolly: Yeah. You just welcome the White only group to your gym.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: So my fighters, some of whom which were non-White, …

Graham Connolly: You didn’t ban any other races to the gym?

Tim Lutze: No, never. No, no.

Graham Connolly: Where any of them treated badly by pro-Whites, …

Tim Lutze: The thing at the gym was like people would come and they’d be like:

“Oh like this guy, he’s a White nationalist or whatever.”

Like some of the boys would joke around and then be like:

“Oh really, what’s that about?”

And then we’d talk about it with new members, whoever. It doesn’t matter.

I’m always an open book. And I never denied it. Even down the track when I had my meeting with Boxing Australia, I was very honest about it too.

Graham Connolly: You know yourself mate, the only people that care are the White Lefties.

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: The other races don’t care. They understand it.

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: They put their own tribe, …

Tim Lutze: That’s what I found in my gym.

Graham Connolly: They put their own tribes first?

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: Their own people first. Who doesn’t?

Tim Lutze: My thing was if you don’t have a problem with it, you can train here.

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Tim Lutze: If you’ve got a problem with it, find somewhere else.

Graham Connolly: Exactly!

Tim Lutze: You know what I mean?

Graham Connolly: But you’re welcome.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, yeah.

Graham Connolly: But that wasn’t good enough.

Tim Lutze: It wasn’t good enough. No. So you have to, … Yeah, they took my licence and that was devastating!

Graham Connolly: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: Also, what else did you lose? Bank accounts?

Tim Lutze: Oh, that was later on. It’s kind of like they waited to see what I would do. Like it didn’t happen all at once, it was like six months later.

Graham Connolly: Right.

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Tim Lutze: So first that happened and I laid low, but I laid low for a month or whatever.

Graham Connolly: Deal with it!

Tim Lutze: Yeah, like, put a little distance between these things before you deal with them. You know, let the fire go. Because everyone’s messaging Boxing Australia and:

“This guy’s a Nazi!”

And everyone’s doing this, Let that shit die down and people realise that it goes away. It doesn’t continue. But, yeah, they publicly came out and they said that:

“Boxing Australia is not this, and we condemn this.”

And like, I had Sting come out and condemn because they kitted out my whole gym and worked with me to set it up. And so they came out and they did a statement saying that they denounced me and all I stand for and all that.

And it’s like, what’s it got to do with boxing equipment? Yeah, so I let all this stuff sort of die down before I started to deal with it. But I kept training, kept doing the thing and a couple of weeks my membership and my fighters stuck around, but the heat didn’t die down straight away. And when they seen it wasn’t a die, they put their careers first. Like, there were ways that I could have got someone else to be in their corner and I could try to do this and that. But they did what was best for them and they went to another gym. And they never denounced it, but they never publicly supported me and said:

“Oh, he’s not an angry Nazi that wants to genocide everyone. Rah, rah, just a normal bloke, whatever, has his own views. They don’t necessarily have to share them.”

But like I was a bit disappointed that no one sort of publicly or none of my associates in Boxing Victoria sort of even took that into account and said:

“Well, you, what he does is his business.”

Graham Connolly: How easy would that be like?

Tim Lutze: Yeah, but I did have a lot of people come to the gym. A lot of older, you know, old fighters and some coaches and some very prominent fighters message me privately, support, and even come visit me.

Graham Connolly: Name every one of them! [chuckling]

Tim Lutze: No, not, I’m not naming, because some of them are very active.

Graham Connolly: No, I’m just joking mate!

Tim Lutze: And some of them are highly ranked fighters and well respected coaches as they should be. Yeah, I’m not going to do that to them.

Graham Connolly: No, I’m just joking.

Tim Lutze: But yeah. [chuckling]

Graham Connolly: If you did, just the fact that they came to your gym and supported you, what would happen to them?

Tim Lutze: No, they’d lose their licences.

Graham Connolly: They’d lose their licences.

Tim Lutze: Yeah. Some of them have a lot of power. Yeah, some of them are quite powerful.

Graham Connolly: I mean, only if this was to go like viral or, you know what I mean? If this was to be seen by thousands of people, they would, …

Tim Lutze: It would go viral if I named them!

Graham Connolly: If you did. It would!

Tim Lutze: If I name their names, it would go viral.

Graham Connolly: And then the phone calls that start happening to Boxing. Victoria again.

Tim Lutze: Oh, yeah. And I don’t blame them.

Graham Connolly: Crazy!

Tim Lutze: We’ll be the vanguard and we’ll make it safe for everyone to have our views.

Graham Connolly: Yeah and we’re getting there.

Tim Lutze: Yeah, that was the doxing. It was very depressing. You know, like I took a loss. You know, people don’t know how to take a loss. They try to say everything’s a win.

Graham Connolly: You did take it on the chin, though.

Tim Lutze: Yeah. I liked being, yeah, I like being part of the boxing community and I like being in that world.

Graham Connolly: It defined who you are, for fuck’s sake!

Tim Lutze: It was my whole identity.

Graham Connolly: Yeah, it’s who you were. It’s your identity!

Tim Lutze: And I decided to identify as a White man and that was the moment.

Graham Connolly: Oh, yeah, fuck you! Know what I mean?

Tim Lutze: Yeah, you can’t do that.

Graham Connolly: It was similar like that when I was growing up and stuff like that. Like my first kind of things to understand was like 9/11 was nonsense! And just briefly, I used to speak out about the wars in Iraq, the war in Syria, the war in Libya. And you talk about how Gadaffi wasn’t a bad guy, and Saddam wasn’t about, … And nobody ever said a fucking word to me!

But as soon as I start defending my own people, as soon as I start defending White people. Lost bank accounts, fucking etc! Not to the level of you because I didn’t have a public profile like you did. You know, I wasn’t a community man like you were. You know what I mean? So I lost bank accounts. They came from a job too, I reckon.

Tim Lutze: You can’t defend White people!

Graham Connolly: You can’t defend and look out for your own people!

Tim Lutze: You’ve seen coloured people be ethno-nationalists and all this sort of stuff. And then they come out and they defend White people.

Graham Connolly: Yes.

Tim Lutze: Or they defend Hitler, like Kanye West, or whatever.

And then they’re attacked.

Graham Connolly: Yeah, it’s not just White people can’t defend White people, nobody can!

Tim Lutze: So it’s just up to the White man to fight back!

Graham Connolly: White man fight back!

Yeah. You know, actually that’s a good point to take a coffee break. You want a coffee?

Tim Lutze: Yeah.

Graham Connolly: All right, let’s have a coffee. That’ll be part one.

Tim Lutze: We’ll wrap it up here.

Graham Connolly: Part one. That’s part one. All right.

That’s all for part one. In part two, Tim takes us through his footsteps and activism with the NSN, through their pivotal Winter 2025 Nationals event in Victoria, right up to the front lines of the latest March for Australia.

You won’t want to miss it!

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88talk
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18 hours ago
I’m really looking forward to Part 2. When can we expect it?
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Girnigoe
1 day ago
Hail from America.
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Inevitable1488
1 day ago
Found some vids of the first NSN rally: https://x.com/CJMurrumbeena/status/1575693649345552385 Perfect example of how, if you really want to bring about the change you want to see in the world, sometimes you just have to go out and do something. It doesn’t have to be perfect. All you have to do is start, and then keep at it. Hail victory.
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Sam_Sung
1 day ago
Man. Would be a lot better if you stopped cutting him off mid sentence over and over again
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kalamazoogroyper
1 day ago
Great first ep lads. Hail Victory
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limble
1 day ago
Loved this interview. Tim already came across as a staunch and loyal dude but what a backstory.
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johnnyfartbottoms
1 day ago
Awesome show, I’ve always wanted to learn about Tim’s story. He’s right about needing a warrior class in Australia.
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AmalekAvenger
1 day ago
O/ o/
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TimLutze
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o/ o/
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TheShowgun
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We want part 2! o/
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AngloSaxon88
2 days ago
Hail from Scandinavia.
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TimLutze
2 days ago
Hail
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LeighStewy
2 days ago
Patriot
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JohlForbes
2 days ago
Great first podcast Graham, not a bad first guest either haha. No in all seriousness very good and I enjoyed thoroughly. Tim’s an inspiring leader who speaks from the heart and leads from the front.
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TimLutze
2 days ago
🙏🏼 thanks brother
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KineticKelticKlansman
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2 days ago
Thanks Johl
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bush_bash_boy
2 days ago
can’t find the video of the nsn rally interrupting the tranny story time, someone help.
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kismet208
2 days ago
https://t.me/Thomas_Sewell/1528?single
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KineticKelticKlansman
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2 days ago
https://t.me/timlutze2/136?single If you have telegram. If not let me know and I’ll see if I can find an alternative.
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sixty5stoney
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2 days ago
Great podcast lads. Perfect idea to get all the guys on to tell their red pill and political journey to show the public that we are just regular men. Family men. Fathers, sons, brothers. Willing to say what we believe needs to be said for the sake of our people and our country. 🇦🇺
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EnglandAwake
2 days ago
Good content. Keep at it brother.
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greenyfromoz97
2 days ago
Good to see another new Natsoc podcast rising! Good to see, also bloody nice set design and production set up (curtains, chairs mic’s etc it reflects you really care) love to see it mate
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KineticKelticKlansman
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2 days ago
Thank you brother. I appreciate that. It will get better too. Thanks for watching. Part 2 is better imo. We get into the juicy stuff.
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High_Energy_Nation
2 days ago
Brilliant stuff gents. When you are humanised, we win.
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pozgaylia
2 days ago
That was amazing lads. Hail Victory!
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2 days ago
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Dimma1313
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2 days ago
Awesome!
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MonThirteen
2 days ago
Great chat. Didn’t know Tim grew up in St Albans, so did I.
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TimLutze
2 days ago
Awesome. I’ll never forget were I came from.
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MonThirteen
2 days ago
My mum only sold up there 2 years ago, it’s definitely not the place it used to be. We now live out in the country where there is less of the 3rd world rejects lol
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squatmech
2 days ago
Hail NSN, Hail White Australia, this was an awesome first show.
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esolily
2 days ago
An Irish Man!!! love the intro one of my favourite songs
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Tadhg0003
2 days ago
Offaly good discussion!
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Tadhg0003
2 days ago
A chara. We’re all one now.
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KineticKelticKlansman
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2 days ago
Couldn’t agree more my brother. No more brother wars. Like the crusades we must put aside our differences to fight side by side for the collective tribes of Europe. We can go back to the brotherly bickering later. First we need to save our countries and our peoples.
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JoeyBato3
2 days ago
Hail Connolly and Lutze! Greetings from distant Canada.
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TimLutze
2 days ago
Hail brother
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whatthehehe
2 days ago
Patriots!
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TimLutze
3 days ago
Thanks for having me on. I speak from the heart, I hope I have inspired more people to take up the fight. Hail Victory
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KineticKelticKlansman
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2 days ago
Thanks for coming brother. Great first guest. Thanks for the support. Part 2 is even better.
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88talk
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2 days ago
Your pronunciation of Ante Pavelic was perfect! 🇭🇷I loved hearing your story especially the Footscray connection. I grew up there and It’s a perfect tragic example of where we’re heading if the influx of Third Worlders continues. Thank you both so much. Looking forward to Part 2.
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TimLutze
2 days ago
Za dom spremni!
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88talk
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2 days ago
The St. Albans Croatian influence is so clear!😁
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basedvriloid
3 days ago
Hail the both of you lads, Hail White Australia
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