Ernst Zundel
My Life and Political Awakening
1979
[German-Canadian revisionist, author, artist and activist Ernst Zundel gives a fascinating account of his life and adventures up to 1979. See table of contents for list of highlights.
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CONTENTS
01 “Who Are You? Where Are You From? What is Your Background?
02 I was Born Just at the Outbreak of the Wwii
03 My Mother Saying: “Oh, That’s the Front Coming Closer.”
04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed
05 the Allied Occupation with the Rapes, the Looting, and Then the Starvation
06 the French Allowed US Only 850 Calories Per Day in Ration Coupons
07 We All Looked Like Kids from Bangladesh or Biafra
08 Father Comes Home a Broken Man from an American Pow Camp
09 Zundel Graduates from Public School and Decides to Become an Artisan
10 an Aptitude Test Declares Him as Being “Universally Talented”
11 Enrolled in a Three Year Apprenticeship Training Program as a Graphic Artist at Age 14
12 Completes His Apprenticeship with Flying Colours and Moves Osnabruck in North Germany
13 Zundel is Told He Must Speak German!
15 Zundel Choses Canada Because It Looked Like Home in the Black Forest
16 Arrives in Montreal Canada in the Fall of 1958, and Then to Toronto
17 Gets His First Job in Canada as a Graphic Artist for Simpson Sears
18 Getting Settled Down in Canada, with a High Paying Job, Learning English Every Day
19 Meets a Lovely Young Girl in Night Language School, Leading to Marriage and His First Son
21 Moves to Montreal and Starts Job Hunting at 21, but Becomes a Freelancer
22 Starts to Learn French, and Business Succeeds, Puts a Down Payment on a Home
23 Develops an Interest in Politics and Meets Adrien Arcand, the Hitler of Canada
24 Visits Europe and Contacts Many People to Further His Political Education
25 Enrols in University in Montreal to Study Political Science and History
26 Becomes a Public Speaker to Overcome Shyness
27 Declare Himself as a Candidate for the Leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada
28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven
29 the Whole Exercise Only a Method to Gain Attention for My Cause
30 Germans Being Second Class Citizens in Canada
31 a Live Interview Which was Broadcast to Europe in German
32 Received Only $105 in Donations for His Efforts to Help the Immigrant Community
33 Must Now Return to Business Life and Tend to Mending My Fences
34 Separatism by Communists Becomes Violent in Quebec
35 Discovered Indeed That There was a Conspiracy to Shape History
36 Sells House and Goes on On World Tour Through Europe, Africa, Middle East, and the Far East
37 Suffered Culture Shock, Race Shock!
(In progress)
This is Ernst Christoph Friedrich Zundel. I’m the man behind Samisdat Publishers in Toronto, Canada. At the request of many of my friends, both here in Canada, especially in America, in Australia, in South America and also in Europe, I want to tell you about myself. Many of you have asked:
“Who are you? Where are you from? What is your background? What was your development?”
Many of you have been very generous. In book orders, in tape orders, in donations of money, material and support. I think I owe it to you that I reveal all there is to know and all that those who put their life virtually on the line for me and for our cause are entitled to. I was born on the 24th of April, 1939 in a small town of less than 4,000 souls in the Black Forest of Germany. My family lived in an old cottage, 350 years old at the time. It was, in fact, the oldest house in the whole valley.
Now, the Black Forest, as many of you maybe don’t know, was never conquered by the Romans. The people living within these black, dark forests were fierce warriors. And the Romans found it easier, after numerous battles and engagements which they lost, to circumnavigate, to go around the Black Forest. In effect, they built a wall around the Black Forest, fortified wall, which was called the Limes: LIMES. And you will find it written up in history books. Well, my folks lived in the Black Forest for centuries.
And research with that in my family tree has actually traced it as far back as the 14th century to Switzerland and from there to northern Italy. On my father’s side, we were lumberjacks, peasants. On my mother’s side, she comes from Bavaria, near the town, historic town of Augsburg. We were middle class people, teachers, lawyers, musicians, writers, artisans.
02 I was Born Just at the Outbreak of the Wwii
I was born just at the outbreak of the war. I was the fourth of a family of six children and the oldest son. My earliest childhood recollections, of course, are of the war. My father wearing his German army uniform, coming home on leave from Russia. He was with the medics, ambulance trains, in fact, picking up the wounded from the battlefields of Europe and bringing them home to Germany, to hospitals, some of them which were in the Black Forest.
And of course I remember as a lad the tremendous joy to be held in my father’s arms and to go on outings with him into the woods, however brief they were the next recollections are bombing raids of strafings by Allied fighter bombers, notably French in this case. And the real horrible nature of war came home to me as a very young boy by being yanked out of bed at 3, 4, 5 o’ clock in the morning when these massive bombing raids by American and British bomber fleets took place. And their flight path, invariably when they went to bomb Nuremberg, Dresden, Aschaffenburg, Munichen, passed over the Black Forest.
And I remember vividly the endless droning of these powerful Flying Fortresses and Liberators. And then also on the way back, Allied planes crippled by German flak, on fire, burning, wings dropping off, pilots jumping out with parachutes and so on. It was just an absolutely frightening experience for a young fellow. And those were my wartime recollections.
04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed
And then a new dimension was added. In that I could hear the thunder of guns coming ever closer. And I remember my mother saying:
“Oh, that’s the front coming closer.”
Well, I didn’t really quite know what “the front” was, but it was something ominous because everybody was afraid, everybody was frightened. And German troops appeared, on retreat. Old soldiers, some without guns, came through.
And then there were artillery duels with Americans and French guns shelling German positions. The German positions running right through our valley. Germans once in a while firing back, artillery shells exploding all around us.
And then flight. My mother was frightened. She took us, five children at the time, to the forest and there we hid. We took our goats with us, our chickens, our rabbits. We tied them all up in dense bush and waited for the hostilities actually to pass us by. And we saw by peeking through cracks in the Woods that indeed, French army units were moving up the valley and tanks were stopping and they were looting our houses and Germans were being killed. German soldiers were lying by the roadside, German vehicles were shot up and the front passed us by. And shortly thereafter the war was over.
04 Fire Bombing of Pforzheim, Our Neighbor City with 20,000 Killed
However, just at the end of the war, the city of Pforzheim, our neighbor city, was bombed in a massive air raid in which over 20,000 people were killed in this once lovely medieval old city. And the firestorm created by this American bombardment was so horrendous that I remember all the trees in our valley bending towards this town and a tremendous suction taking up leaves and branches and twigs and rushing down the valley towards this town. The whole sky was illuminated, even though the town was over 20 km away.
I remember the next day my mother, who was working with the Red Cross, being called upon to go into this town to help those who could still be helped. And when she came back, she was a changed woman for all the horror she had seen and all the human torches that had shrunken bodies down to children’s size. A town which we knew so well, had been reduced to utter ruins and utter rubble!
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05 the Allied Occupation with the Rapes, the Looting, and Then the Starvation
Couple that with the invasion, the end of the war, with the rapes, the looting, and then the starvation, and the needless cruelty of the occupation occupying powers to children, man and beast, in fact. My father became a prisoner of the Americans and went through some horrific experience in an Allied prisoner of war camp in Darmstadt, where for four weeks these men lived without shelter in open fields, eating earthworms, bugs, drinking practically their own urine. Just a horrible mess!
And we children, of course, couldn’t go to school because the school was occupied by Allied troops. Tanks, armored cars were parked in the schoolyards. Life seemed to almost have ceased. And then slowly the French, who occupied our area with Moroccan and Algerian troops, colonial troops, got their act together and established civil administrations under the military government. Naturally, the people who governed Germany at that time were quislings, in this case, Allied quislings. They did the bidding of the Allies.
And I remember the very first edict was, that all radios had to be delivered to a central collecting point. So that these radios were then taken as booty to France. Then gold watches were taken, then all rifles, all guns, on pain of death, were taken. Then all cameras were taken. In effect, it became a major crime to photograph or to record any of the Allied misdeeds in Germany. And everybody complied with those rules and those laws, because after all, there was just no way that they could be changed.
The German army had surrendered unconditionally. The German government was a mere shell, prevented in executing its governing functions by the Allied military authorities. In other words, the Germans were disenfranchised.
06 the French Allowed US Only 850 Calories Per Day in Ration Coupons
Hunger broke out. We were starving. The French allowed us 850 calories in ration coupons. The United Nations today says that man needs 2,000 calories to survive. Towards the very end of the war in German concentration camps, the inmates got 1750 calories. And here we were with 850 calories. What that means, I want to illustrate to you simply by this, that we got two pieces of bread a day. Never mind butter, meat and stuff like that.
But as a young growing fellow, to be having to live on two pieces of bread meant that we were constantly starving! Susceptible to all kinds of diseases, constantly sick, constantly cold, no shoes on our feet, no clothing, because of course the warriors had been very tough on the Germans. And here, where the so-called peace years worse. Then the French confiscated all our seed potatoes, which meant that the farmers had to deliver all our seed potatoes to the authorities. And therefore it was a foregone conclusion, since you couldn’t seed, that there was going to be starvation at the end of the summer.
07 We All Looked Like Kids from Bangladesh or Biafra
And sure enough, that’s exactly what happened. Children came down with massive hunger and protein deficiency caused diseases, skin sores. We all looked like kids from Bangladesh or Biafra. However, the world seemed not to care.
In the meantime, our mothers were molested by these occupying troops. Our sisters were chased all over. Some were raped. Many a black mongrel baby resulted, because these troops, after all, were colonial color troops.
And I remember coming home from school, which had started in the Evangelical church basement at the time, and seeing a tremendous fracas in the town square, in effect observing a battle between the White French officers and the French colonial troops, which in fact, later on turned to the disarming of the French colonial troops. And only the French officers were bearing arms by that time.
Life began to normalize. Hunger was a constant companion. So was fear. And of course, my father was still a prisoner. We were five at that time. My mother did the best that she could in raising us. I attended the little country school, and it was a horrible period for everybody, also for myself.
08 Father Comes Home a Broken Man from an American Pow Camp
But finally one day my mother said:
“Papa is coming home!”
And my father came home a broken man from the American prison of war camp. He began to pick up his old life as a lumberjack, and things seemed to go to normal. But we soon discovered that my father’s spirit was indeed broken, and he turned to alcohol for solace. That complicated, of course, our problems. A large family, little income, and now this added burden.
However, my mother was a strong personality. We had our little land, which we tilled, grew our own potatoes, grew our own vegetables, grew our own teas, herbal teas. We had some goats, from which we got milk, some chickens from which we got eggs. Berries we collected in nearby woods, mushrooms in summer, wood for the wood burning stoves. We made our own tools, just like in medieval times. And almost you could say that we lived in a cashless society.
09 Zundel Graduates from Public School and Decides to Become an Artisan
It was wonderful in its simplicity to be growing up at that time. In my family, we had no radio, we had no television. We had all told 10 books in our bookcase. It was almost as if I was living in a medieval environment. School taught me very thoroughly and very efficiently how to count, how to spell, how to write. I graduated from public school in the top ranks. There was not enough money to go on to high school or higher education, even though the teachers tried to get scholarships and so on. But at that time, Germany had different problems to worry about than to sponsor one of its simple sons to higher education. And therefore it was decided that I should become an artisan.
And since I had been a very good artist and always sketched and drew on every scrap of paper, my mother decided that:
“Well, this is what this boy is going to be. He’s going to be an artist.”
Well, she was soon informed that to go and to study art at some university cost just unaffordable amounts of money. As fate would have it, our old cottage was an attraction for all kinds of artists. Painters, watercolorists. And one day one of these artists, while he was sketching this picturesque scene, spoke to my mother and he was invited for a cup of ersatz coffee. And was of course, introduced to young Ernst’s drawings.
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10 an Aptitude Test Declares Him as Being “Universally Talented”
And indeed, he said, maybe because he was polite, that:
“Oh yes, this boy has definite talents as an artist.”
But since to become a fine art painter was almost an impossibility, he too suggested that I should become an artisan. Well, he suggested to my mother that I should go to the local manpower or unemployment office where they could evaluate me and advise my mother for a job. Simple matter! We took the train, took the last bit of money that my mother had scrounged and went to the neighboring large town of Pforzheim, that had been devastated earlier in the war and which was now slowly digging itself out of the rubble. And there, amongst the ruins, I went to this special labor service or unemployment office testing center. And some men in white smocks, middle aged men, gave a two day test, an aptitude test. And lo and behold, here was young Zundel. They said:
“Universally talented! I could have become anything!”
Well, that somewhat perplexed my mother. She said:
“Well, but he wants to be an artist again.”
Again the advice was given to her:
“There is no money, no survival in art in modern day Germany, which is in ruins. Let him learn a trade!”
And one of these men suggested I should become a commercial artist. And there were two or three firms that were specializing in commercial art. And they were given notice and we were given their addresses and we went there. And sure enough, after seeing my drawings, one of these firms, a graphic art Institute, adopted or accepted me as an apprentice, an apprentice artist.
11 Enrolled in a Three Year Apprenticeship Training Program as a Graphic Artist at Age 14
And I was enrolled in a three year apprenticeship training program. 1953, that was my pay was to be a dollar a week for the first year, $1 a week for the first year. Then for the second year it was to be $1.50 a week. And for the third year it was to be $2, not a little over $2 a week, if you can believe this. You heard correctly. My duties were to do all kinds of work, to learn the Graphic Arts business from the bottom up. And during my weekly work at this firm, which comprised working on Saturdays too, 48 hours a week, I was to attend two days of graphic arts college to learn about printing processes and so on.
Well, that meant that as a boy of not quite 14, I had to get up at 5 o’ clock in the morning, walk for half an hour towards the train station, there, take the train for three quarters of an hour in order to commute to this city of Pforzheim. And the same procedure, of course, reversed itself in the evening, where I then would come home about 7 o’clock. So from 5 o’ clock in the morning till 7 o’ clock at night, I was learning and working in this trade. I enjoyed it thoroughly because here I was in my world. It was warm, it was indoors, I could sketch and I could draw. And I learned how to become an artist. And it was just wonderful!
And I passed the tests that, the occasional apprenticeship tests, intermediate tests and so on with flying colors. Graduated at my end of three years learning period with top honors! And immediately was rehired by the firm which had trained me. And they were giving me a very handsome salary for a young fellow at that time. As a matter of fact, at the age of 17, I earned twice as much as my father did, immediately.
12 Completes His Apprenticeship with Flying Colours and Moves Osnabruck in North Germany
Well, naturally I had been introduced to the city life. Become stimulated by all the things that were available. A larger world opened up. And my mother contributed to this by saying:
“Boy, across this hill there is a world to be conquered!”
Well, maybe I took her a little too literally, because within less than a year I applied for a job in the north of Germany and went there to further my studies. Because by no means is one a fully rounded, complete expert in one’s field after an apprenticeship. This is only rudimentary. And I was immediately accepted by my virtue of my test results and by my samples of my work that I submitted. Immediately got a very well paying job in the town of Osnabruck in the north.
13 Zundel is Told He Must Speak German!
Well, I bid my family farewell and took the train and onto new adventure to the north. And discovered that the dialect that I was speaking in the south, which was Swabian, was not understood by my fellow Germans in the north. And on the second day, the man in charge of this new company called me in and he said:
“Zundel, you must understand that you must speak German here, not Swabian!”
You see here I was a stranger in my own land. However, youthful vigor and spirit of adventure got the better of me. I very quickly learned to speak high German. And settled down to a new way of life. And I was able to support my family financially with the money that I earned in this firm.
14 German Magazines with Full Page Ads from the Us, Canada, Australia, Etc., Saying “Immigrants Wanted!”
Well, it was the time of full page advertisements in German magazines and in German newspapers by the United States, Canada, Australia and South Africa. And it said:
“Immigrants wanted!”
And in glowing colors it portrayed these lands of unlimited possibility. Well, there was my mother again ringing in my ear, saying:
“There’s a world to be conquered!”
And I found myself writing away to these addresses in these magazines for brochures and information about these various countries. The United States, Embassy in Germany replied, the South African embassy replied, the Australian embassy replied, the Argentinian embassy replied. And the Canadian embassy replied.
15 Zundel Choses Canada Because It Looked Like Home in the Black Forest
However, I decided that I was going to go to Canada.
The reason was really quite simple. I liked what I saw in the brochures. It looked very much like the Black Forest. There are lots of trees, lots of mountains, and it was like home.
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Also, the seasons were the same. They were winter, summer, springtime, fall. That also appealed to me. And one of the big deciding factors, Canada had no military draft! You see, I believed in all the propaganda that we were fed after the war, that the Germans were a bunch of war criminals and murderers and an army of looters and rapists and so on and so I had an aversion bred into me by this Allied propaganda. The step from thought to action in my life never was a very long one. I decided to apply for immigrant status to Canada. Within three months. I was granted it.
In those three months, as a precaution, I just decided that I was going to learn some English. So I rode away for a correspondence course and going by the book and by listening to BBC London Foreign Service, I learned English, English. Not realizing that in Canada and the United States, English, English was just about useless. And again I found when Canada finally accepted me and I got on the boat and steamed out of Germany towards this new wonderful adventure. And when I landed in Canada, that nobody could understand my English, English.
And so I had to relearn again. And my German boss’s phrase:
“Boy, speak German!”
Rang in my ears. In this case it meant speak English, meaning Canadian English.
16 Arrives in Montreal Canada in the Fall of 1958, and Then to Toronto
I landed in Montreal in the fall of 1958, immediately was put on a train and shipped to Toronto, because the immigration officer in Germany at the time had determined for me that my best possibilities for work were indeed in Toronto, the English language area in Ontario. I arrived at the time in Cananda, when there was one of these ever recurrent depressions in this land.
Of course, I had no idea nobody had told me about that. And all my other German friends with different trades were unemployed. And were really suffering. So I took my sample work, went down to the local immigration office, manpower office. And with my limited amount of English, English said to them, qy my name is Ernst Zundel. I’m a commercial artist looking for work. Fine, they said:
“No problem. We will fund your job in no time.”
Well, that made me feel better. I was sent around to various people and found out that indeed I couldn’t speak any English. I couldn’t understand what these people were saying to me.
However, every day I learned 30, 40 words out of the dictionary. And within three days I was sent to a firm, a very large firm, well known to North Americans called Simpson Sears. In America is called Sears Roebuck.
17 Gets His First Job in Canada as a Graphic Artist for Simpson Sears
Well, I introduced myself again, had the letter from the immigration with me. Which introduced me as a new arrived immigrant needing assistance in the form of a job in my chosen field. I showed the people there my sample work. And the man in charge of this organization of a graphic arts Institute looked at my work and said:
“Impossible!”
And I didn’t know what impossible meant at the time. But I could see by the way he was wrinkling his forehead that he was skeptical. And so with hand and foot, I was trying to explain that here are my test results, Here is my diploma. These are my samples. And he said:
“Ah! Just wait a minute. I have a German lady here. She will translate for you.”
Off he went to return a minute later with a lady from Hamburg. This lady looked at my samples, asked me what my background was, where I was trained. I pointed out my apprenticeship papers, my fantastic test results. And very good references I had in Germany from these German firms. She translated it to him, and his skepticism turned into surprise. He said:
“How is it possible that a young fellow of 18 could be so advanced?”
Well, that led to a discussion of the German apprenticeship training program. The testing that they do over there. And naturally inherited talents being developed to the utmost and so on. And this fellow turned out to be a Scotsman. And he still had this undertone of skepticism. And she told me in her translation that he just couldn’t believe it! Well, that really somewhat angered me. And I said:
“Look, if he doesn’t believe me that I can do this kind of work, I’ll work for nothing! I’ll work for two, three days for nothing. I have my tools with me. And then he can see whether I can do the work or not!”
Well, that pleased, I suppose, the Scotsman in the Scotsman. And he said:
“Great! You can start tomorrow! First thing, 9 o’ clock in the morning.”
Here the immigrant arrived with his satchel on his back, his sandwiches in his pocket. And I settled down in an area that I was assigned to do some work. And for the next three days this Scotsman really put me through my paces. Well, he was astonished! And I could see he came to see me every half hour, three quarters of an hour, hour on the hour, monitoring my work, that he was increasingly surprised.
At the end of the three days he called in the German lady, called me into his office and he said:
“Young man, you are hired!”
And he said at that time, it was $93 a week!
But in the excitement I didn’t really understand that and I thought he must have made a mistake or maybe I misunderstood him in that he said “$39 a week”. Because at that time I was sharing an apartment in a rooming house with a German immigrant, a master, he had two master titles in his trade, bakery and so on. And this man was earning $41 a week. So I thought undoubtedly he must have meant $39 a week. And I had already calculated out that even with $39 a week I could save some money and I could continue to support my mother and my brothers and sisters back in the Black Forest.
Well, Friday came around, payday came around, and of course, with trembling hand I opened my pay envelope and there was a check for $93! I couldn’t believe it! I thought that I had hit paradise! $93 at that time was a fantastic amount of money! And I could live on $25 a week!
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18 Getting Settled Down in Canada, with a High Paying Job, Learning English Every Day
So very quickly I began to establish a saving account and save my money frugally, sent some money home and was really settling down in this lovely land, learning English every day. I found people extremely kind towards me, all kinds of help when you are helpless as an immigrant. And I found at that time there were only Whites in Canada that I came in contact with. It was just a joy to be amongst these people! There was real brotherhood in the true sense of the word. And I was made welcome everywhere that I went, or so it seemed.
Christmas came around, I was invited by some Canadian people to their homes for Christmas. And homesickness, which was an off and on problem, began to fade.
19 Meets a Lovely Young Girl in Night Language School, Leading to Marriage and His First Son
Soon I got to know a lovely young girl in night school where I had gone to attend language classes. And one evening the door opens and in came a beautiful looking redhead! And I said to my German buddy who was sitting beside me:
“Boy, she’s gonna be my woman!”
Sure enough, I made sure that I would get to know her better. We became friends, acquainted, engaged, were married, established a family, and soon our first boy was born in the city of Toronto with a lovely French name, Pierre.
20 Brings over His Mother for a Visit, Travels Around North America, Recession Hits and No Job or Money
But adventure again, gripped me. I had saved all kinds of money. So I decided:
“Ah well, I must bring my mother to this lovely land and pay back a little milk money.”
And had bought myself a car and traveled all over the province and all over the country and short my mother, who had after all given me life and nourished me and had made sure that I could learn such a fantastic and well paying trade as commercial art to give her in return the joy of seeing a land which otherwise she couldn’t have done.
Well, the company which I had joined by that time had promised me leave of absence and that I would have a job back when I got back from my travels.
As it turns out again there was a recession and no job. I had spent all my money on traveling around North America for three months and I had about $75 in my savings account. A small baby, newly married and suddenly no job! Well, my mother had returned to Europe and here I was, $75, all this responsibility, 21 years old. I said to my French-Canadian wife, I says:
“Mon cherie, what are we gonna do?”
Well, she said:
“You always wanted to go to the province of Quebec. I’d like to go be back amongst my own people too.”
21 Moves to Montreal and Starts Job Hunting at 21, but Becomes a Freelancer
Well, we loaded our belongings, very few as they were at that time, on a truck and moved the 350 miles from Toronto to Montreal and I went job hunting. Well, I soon found that in the city of Montreal the commercial art studios were much smaller. That commercial art was not as well paid as it was in Toronto, because Toronto is the graphic arts center in Canada.
But I also found that many of these smaller studios could not afford a highly paid specialist like myself. However, each one of them assured me that they had repeatedly and off and on jobs that required my specialty of photo retouching and I should leave my name and phone number. Well, I couldn’t find a steady job, so I decided:
“Well, the heck with this, here’s a perfect opportunity to become a freelance artist!”
And I merrily set up shop in one of the bedrooms in the apartment, bought myself a secondhand drawing desk, a small compressor or air bottles for my airbrush. And the first telephone call was received, a man said:
“Mr. Zundel?”
Of course, in French. And I quickly had to teach myself the first few words of French.
“Oh well, I have a job for you.”
So I jumped on my little Volkswagen down, I went to the center of the city, picked up this job and I earned my first $35 as a freelance artist being self employed.
22 Starts to Learn French, and Business Succeeds, Puts a Down Payment on a Home
The first month was, the second month was a little better. The third month was very good. And within the first quarter year everything was just running beautifully! We were once again beginning to save a little money. I worked very hard day and night. I taught myself French, went to French night classes and went knocking on doors and generally just “hustled”, as the North American expression goes. And within a year or two had saved up enough money to once again travel the whole continent. And I took my wife and my young child and we went out to the west coast, out to the east coast and then we thought:
“Gee, if this is such a well paying trade, we could afford a house!”
Again, from the thought to the act, not very far removed. We paid a small down payment on a house. In those days you could get bungalows for a down payment of $300, with a 35 year mortgage at 5 and 3 quarters or 6% interest. In other words, it was a young couple’s dream. And sure enough we made a down payment on a beautiful home.
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And since we had some money left, we decided we were going to go to Europe while we were young and see Europe as well. So we booked a passage on an ocean liner and we went over to Europe, traveled all over Europe.
23 Develops an Interest in Politics and Meets Adrien Arcand, the Hitler of Canada
However, in the meantime I had met and developed an interest in politics and met some very interesting people in Canada. The most notable amongst them was the pre-war leader of a French-Canadian fascist type party called the National Unity Party of Canada. And I had met this individual called Adrien Arcand, the Hitler of Canada. Well, that was to have a tremendous impact on my life because this French-Canadian spoke fluent German, and he had a fantastic library of all books in the German language. And he made these books available to me, allowed me to borrow them.
We discussed the content of these books and lo and behold, it was a French-Canadian who turned me into a German! He showed me the lies of World War II, explained to me the propaganda, the reasons why these lies were told, the instigators of the lies!
24 Visits Europe and Contacts Many People to Further His Political Education
And I took a Political Science course. And at the advice of Mr Arcand, took this tour to Europe contacting all kinds of very interesting people in Germany, in Austria, in Italy, in Switzerland, in Spain, in England and in the Scandinavian countries. And I took what you could call a crash course in political history.
25 Enrols in University in Montreal to Study Political Science and History
Well, I found on my trip while being over in Europe that certainly my public school education was limited in scope, and I decided to enroll in university as soon as I returned from Germany. I did exactly that. I enrolled in Sir Charles Williams University in Montreal in Political Science and History. I attended university in the evenings. During the day I went after my commercial art business, built up a small thriving studio, and found time to write for German newspapers, the university student newspaper. And above all, I found time to get involved in everyday politics. And we organized demonstrations, mass mailings, and I found that I was a rather shy fellow at the time.
26 Becomes a Public Speaker to Overcome Shyness
And so I decided that I had to overcome this shyness. And I sent out a flyer to all the Churches and lodges and unions and all kinds of organizations in human society, in offering myself free of charge, of course, as a speaker. I really only had one topic on there, and the topic was “Communism, a threat to our civilization”. Well, I hadn’t expected a reaction to this. I was literally inundated by requests to come and to speak to youth groups, air cadets, student bodies, church congregations, businessmen clubs, Kiwanis, Rotarians and so on. It was just an incredible situation!
And very soon I began to lose my shyness. I took some speaking training at the Dale Carnegie type courses that were offered, and within a year I had overcome my inborn shyness and developed a very passible speaking style.
28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven
Well, then an event happened in Canadian history. The prime minister of Canada, Lester Pearson, Nobel Peace prize winner, decided that he was going to resign and hand over the prime ministership to the leader of the Liberal Party, that was to be said, selected in the leadership race, which meant that anyone who became leader of the Liberal Party also would become the leader of Canada. And I immediately spotted this as a fantastic opportunity to catapult myself into the public. I had done a tremendous amount of radio talk shows and, as I said, public speaking, writing, had organized some demonstrations of an anti-communist nature, together with some other ethnic groups in the Montreal area. And I was beginning to get known in the country.
And so I decided, fine, I’m going to declare myself as a candidate for the leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada. Well, naturally that was somewhat of a sensation because I was only 27 years old. I was, after all, an immigrant, a newcomer to this country. I was still a student at university, although I was also a businessman, a young man at that.
And our second son arrived. This time he was given the German name to reflect the German part of the family heritage. His name was Hans. I became the candidate for the Liberal leadership and traveled the country giving speeches, press conferences, visiting delegates, collecting signatures. What I had to do in order to become a candidate was to be recognized officially by at least 55 prominent Liberal Party Bigwigs. It was the toughest thing I ever did!
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28 Becomes an Official Candidate, One of Seven
But ultimately I made it to Ottawa with tenacity and drive and fervor and cajoling and a certain amount of good luck, I suppose. I ended up in the sports stadium in Ottawa. The president of the Liberal Party, after some minor obstacles and evasive measures, had to admit and sign me up as an official candidate of the Liberal Party, one of seven candidates. All the rest of the candidates pretty well were drawn from the cabinet. Multimillionaires, millionaires, very well off people.
And it turns out that although my campaign had cost me three months of my life, $3, 500, the man who ultimately succeeded in capturing the title of leader of the Liberal Party and thereby Prime Minister Canada, Pierre Leotudo, had spent, as compared to my $3, 500, $385,000! Well, number one, I didn’t have the money. Number two, I had no illusions of grandeur that I could from nothing catapult myself to the prime ministership in this country.
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29 the Whole Exercise Only a Method to Gain Attention for My Cause
However, the whole exercise really was only a method to gain attention for my cause. My cause being that I wanted to have the anti-German propaganda, the lies about Germans and German history, especially the lie of the Germans killing 6 million innocent jews and committing all kinds of war crimes, I wanted to have that stopped!
And I thought, what a terrific platform. And that is exactly what happened. I had myself nationwide publicity as an officially recognized candidate for the Liberal leadership race. I was able to speak to all the delegates. There were 2, 700 delegates and, 205,000 spectators in this lovely sports arena, the Civic Center in Ottawa. 371 radio stations and 500 TV stations across the country were plugged in. Every newspaper was represented there. And certainly my wildest dreams were surpassed in the amount of publicity and coverage I got from my cause.
30 Germans Being Second Class Citizens in Canada
And of course, my remarks about Germans being Second Class citizens in this land and so on were broadcast nationwide. Well, that got me to the attention of the German Embassy in Ottawa. And the press attache, together with the ambassador at the time, visited me in the walking space that every arena has behind the rink and was going to congratulate me for my wonderful activities. And I just told him to:
“Go to hell!”
In exactly that many words for being such a coward! Because the three years before that I had appealed to him to do something about this undetermined propaganda in this land and received absolutely no help!
31 a Live Interview Which was Broadcast to Europe in German
So now I told him just to:
“Go and beat it!”
Which he did with a shocked expression on his face. Well, the German language section of Canadian Broadcasting Corporation International Service got in touch with me for a live interview which was broadcast to Europe, Trans Oceanic Cable, in German. Again, I could ride an attack against the evils of anti-German brainwashing and propaganda.
And I remember very well how the men in Europe kept saying:
“But this is impossible, but you cannot say this!”
And I had to repeat to him frequently:
“Look, not only am I saying it and you are hearing it, but I’m also meaning it!”
And so he says:
“But this is so unusual!”
I said:
“Listen, I am living in Canada, in the land of unlimited opportunity.”
Well, that’s the way it used to appear, and that’s the way it was in those days, certainly for a young lad of 27.
Well, the leadership race passed. It was certainly a high point in my life, and I had hoped to represent not only the Germans, but also the immigrants in this country.
32 Received Only $105 in Donations for His Efforts to Help the Immigrant Community
However, I was soon to be sadly disappointed. Very little interest was shown by the immigrant community! Everybody, I suppose, was busy carving out a new life for themselves, getting started. You know, the usual thing that men do when they start out at the bottom of the heap, clawing their way up. And I received a few hundred letters, few hundred phone calls, expressions of support. But the one area where support can be best measured in this materialistic age, in the monetary area, I received one donation of $5 from a Canadian lady and a donation of $100 from a friend of mine, a German fellow!
In other words, for all my struggles and all my expenses, I received $105 in donations. Well, that made it obvious to me that there was no possibility of doing something meaningful in a full-time professional way.
33 Must Now Return to Business Life and Tend to Mending My Fences
And I thought:
“Well, I must now return to business life and tend to mending my fences there.”
And I became the editor or assistant editor of a student newspaper, became also assistant editor for four regional German newspapers in which I basically wrote articles. In the student newspaper. I had my own column called Politics Today, Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow. At university I was active in the internal radio and TV service in the community. I was busy giving my speeches and doing a lot of talk shows, radio talk shows at the time. And generally settled down to becoming what you could call “an involved young member” of the community.
34 Separatism by Communists Becomes Violent in Quebec
However, it was during that time in the province of Quebec that separatism became violent and communist inroads were very clearly now breaking into the open in the separatist movements. We had bombs going off here, there and everywhere. The communist rhetoric, clenched fist salutes, communist demonstrations, accompanied by violence. Communist demonstrations at university, race riots at our own university took place. And I got more deeply involved in the reasons behind politics, and soon found that a whole new world was opening up to me.
35 Discovered Indeed That There was a Conspiracy to Shape History
And I discovered indeed that there was a conspiracy to shape history in a certain way. Well, that called for more study and more learning. And during my appearances I had always found that reporters and detractors and people on radio talk shows kept needling me by saying:
“But you don’t know anything about the places that you speak of, such as Israel, the Middle East, Africa, Asia. You have never been there! You only know your stuff from theory.”
And I was getting so sick and tired of this, answering this, that man can learn indeed by books and by radio programs and by TV programs and so on, that I thought:
“What’s the use!”
And I said to my wife:
“Look, I have the money. I have also the desire. Middle age is creeping up on me. I would like to go and see these far off places and to inform myself firsthand.”
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35 Discovered Indeed That There was a Conspiracy to Shape History
We sold our house. We took the proceeds from the money, my wife rented an apartment, stayed at home with the children in the province of Quebec. And Ernst went off on a world tour! And for seven and a half months I first toured all Europe, from the North Cape practically Bergen, Lapland, Finland, northern Sweden, Sweden, Denmark, Scotland, northern Scotland, Hadrian’s Wall, all the way through Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Italy, and so on through Germany, Austria.
And then I left Europe behind and went to Greece, down to Turkey, to the Middle East, Israel, Cyprus, then to Cairo, and from there on south through black Africa, all the way to South Africa, Rhodesia, till I ultimately arrived at the southernmost tip at the Cape of Good Hope.
From there I retraced my steps, went over to Iran, India, Pakistan, Southeast Asia at that time to war in Vietnam, Warsan, Cam Ranh Bay, from there to Thailand to Cambodia, Hong Kong, Taiwan, from Taiwan onto Japan, Japan to Hawaii, from Hawaii, back home to the United States and Canada.
I can say that I learned a tremendous amount amongst people of these strange cultures, strange traditions, strange races.
37 Suffered Culture Shock, Race Shock!
Well, I returned from this world trip, which really was a study tour for which I had prepared a number of years through studying at university, reading books, looking over old historical battlefields, cultural history of Greece, ancient Rome, ancient Aryan civilizations, Buddhism and so on. I went to all these historical places to give myself a feel of how it was, how it might have been then. How it was today. It was an incredible, overwhelming experience.
And I actually have to say that I suffered culture shock, race shock! I suddenly found myself sometimes absolutely alone for days amongst people of different racial backgrounds, standing out like a sore thumb amongst Asians, Indians, blacks, Arabs. It was an absolutely worthwhile experience which I can only recommend to all those who inspire for leadership. It is an absolute must!
Nothing beats practical first hand knowledge, and seeing with one own’s eyes, feeling with one own’s hands and soul, smelling these people of different races, the stench of millions in Bombay, sleeping on the sidewalk. Tasting their strange foods, seeing how primitive many areas of the globe still are, being whisked by jet from the Stone Age to the Space Age.
And I remember sitting in a hotel in India the day when the American space program finally put an American on the moon. And here I was, the only White man amongst all these people. And I asked them:
“What do you think about that?”
And they answered me without any second thoughts and saying:
“Ha! More Hollywood movies. It is impossible that man could do this!”
They just could not perceive that man actually had, thanks to Western technology, through German thought and American money and the industrial capacity of the Western world, in effect. Placed a man on the moon and had reached out for the stars.
It was then that that I realized that:
“Oh yes, there was a difference, that we were different!”
And I then determined to look into the race question far more deeply than I had before.
When I returned to Canada, immediate problems of child rearing, children raising, rebuilding a business, of course, took all my attention. We decided that the best route for us as a family would be to return to Ontario, because in the province of Quebec, separatism by now was absolutely rampant. And since I had been one of the most outstanding, outspoken public figures against the separatist movement, my wife was under constant threat to have our children kidnapped, to have herself molested. And our house was frequently painted with communist and separatist slogans. Added to this was the constant harassment by the Canadian secret police, the plain clothed police of the city of Montreal, who for some strange reason all ganged up on me, who was leading the fight against separatism.
And only later did it dawn on me the reason why I was such an unpopular public personage was that I combined youth, drive, talent, and of course a very clear understanding of the real forces that are at work in Western society and especially in North American and Canadian society, and made no bones about it, and set about organizing an effective resistance against it. So I of course was prime target!
However, since my immigrant community did not feel that they should make a contribution, politically speaking, in Canada, the English Canadians looked at me askance because of course I was berating them for their anti-German bigotry. The jewish community in Canada was frightened because of course I claimed, based on pretty good authority, that there never were 6 million gas jews in Europe and that the Zionists in effect were running a gigantic extortion racket against the German people using the media of the world! So in effect, I was like a prophet in the wilderness.
I had in effect, no power base whatsoever! The only power base that I have was the money that I generated with my own hands, doing my artwork, through the sale of my paintings, through some of my writings, some small fees for public speaking. But really the only people backing me were people who had come to me, converts through my lectures, talks, features, articles, radio shows. But it was just nowhere nearly enough to say that I was going to be able to become a political force in Canadian life. I therefore did make the step and did move back to English speaking Ontario. I retreated, so to speak, into myself, more study to digest what I had learned.
And I did put to use what I had learned in radio talk shows, TV talk shows. Some of the country’s leading TV programs approached me to become a guest on their shows or to be participating as a panelist, and I did exactly that.
One program in Toronto that I participated in several times was the Crossfire program, a program that was delving into controversial issues at the time, such as draft dodging by American Vietnam draftees, modern art, corruption and so on. And I enjoyed myself immensely and was quite popular on these programs. These programs of course, were seen by other TV and radio producers who in turn invited me onto their programs.
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BitChute Comments
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4 years ago
Patriot Gus
Please contact Gus Stefanis Leader of the Canadian Nationalist Party.
4 years ago
ShanRiHa
Zundel is undoubtedly a fantastic German who was dedicated to telling the truth about these jews and what they’ve deliberately done to Germany and its people. This relentless attack upon Ernst because of his honesty and commitment to exposing the truth about these jews and what they did to the German people and for this they’ve attacked him using jewish Liars like Lipsdat etc to attempt to defame and ridicule him in the Courts etc. Ernst has shown us all what these evil jews have done and are still doing to this day and for that he has earned the respect of many. Vale Ernst Zundel.
Peace.
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